There is no question we should be investigating the radicalization of American Muslims. But by “we” I mean the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local law enforcement – not Peter King.
If you ask law enforcement officials why there hasn’t been a second al Qaeda attack since 9-11, they invariably tell you it is because the U.S. – unlike Europe and parts of Asia – does not have pools of highly radicalized Muslims. America assimilates immigrants well.
Peter King, however, suggests that there is something fishy about Islam in America. In an interview with Sean Hannity back in 2004 and again last month, King said 80 to 85% of mosques are run by Islamic fundamentalists.
There is no basis for this claim. Some guy said it on TV in 1999. Meanwhile, studies show exactly the opposite to be true: mosques in America are a source for integration, moderation and civic participation.
So why is Peter King doing this? I think it’s to scratch an itch of fear, paranoia and xenophobia. It scores political points in the short run.
But in the long run, I think King and his supporters will pay a political price. Americans of different stripes identify with the underdog.
And we come to regret show trials.
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The hearings, if you would stop being so defensive of Islam, brought forward ONLY MUSLIM VICTIMS of Radical Islam, if you noticed. I was impressed, sympathetic, and reassured by the men who testified, and I realized that Muslims suffer terribly at the hands of Radical Islam themselves. But, you don't want me to learn these things? The FBI will impart these things to me?
The problem is when a person of Muslim background does something we put the blame on Islam. Most of these people do things because they are mad when they see their people bombed by us, they see us supporting occupation of their land (Palestine), see us supporting tyrants like Egypt or Saudi Arabia. yet when a Christian does kill people, blow up building and harrass people (teapartiers) and even harrass our dead soldiers and their famillies at funerals we never blame it on Christianity or the American culture.
Muslims were behind Oklahoma....goota keep up tp date!
Their country?
How can you compare what Westboro Baptist Church does to what that Muslim Fanatic Doctor did at Fort Hood? Yes Westboro Baptist Church is extremely rude, but last I heard, nobody has been killed by them. And if you take what anti-abortion activists have done – maybe 4 in 20 years- they are immediately turned in by the pro-life movement. They don't hide behind the Constitution and not cooperated and "justify" the actions like the local mosque did.
Muslims were behind Oklahoma....gotta keep up tp date!
Ya, Joel W, Westboro Baptist Church don't kill people. They just inspire others to do it (sounds familiar?)
Are we going to hold hearings of the Radicalization of American Christians? Are we going to investigate Christian Extremism?
@Sorry Sam but you're the one who needs a history. Islam has been slaughtering anyone who refuses to surrender to Allah long before there were Palestinians or Americans. But don't take my word for it. Read the histories of islam's invasions of India. Blaming everyone else for their barbarism and violence simply begs the facts. And yeah, the apologists for muslims like to point out that some Christian sects have committed atrocities. I wouldn't deny it. But the difference is that those sects failed to live up to what their religion preached whereas the muslims are exactly living up to what their religion preaches. Again, don't take my word for it. Read the Quran and the Haddith or simply listen to what mainstream, majority muslim clerics are saying every day throughout islam.
"occupation of their land...palestine" get it through your stupid head once and for all...it's not the arabs' land nor has it ever been their land...unbelievable morons!
@Horace Kindler you obviously haven't actually ready the Koran, or if you did you only read Hannity and O'Reilly's xenophobic interpretation of it. The Koran does NOT espouse violence any more than does the Christian Bible or the Jewish Torah. Or haven't you read those either? The Bible has as many or more references to violence, and Christianity is guilty of inspiring atrocities far more horrifying than Islam – Or have we conveniently forgotten the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials or the entirety of the Roman Empire? Or Nazi Germany? The entire Pentecostal branch of Christianity was formed based on the interpretation that all non-Christians are damned to hell and must be forcibly converted. Muslims, both mainstream and fundamentalist, are no more violent than mainstream or fundamentalist Christians, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists. It is the radical, violent extremists – of which there are numerous members of any and every religion, not just Islam – that demean the good nature of their faith and cause to bring forth avarice and hatred from others. People like you need to go back and have an introspective look at your own life and ask yourself if you are truly living up to your own God's will. The Christian God I know would not suffer to hear your case, because my God is the same as the Jewish God and the Muslim Allah. If you hate one you hate them all equally, and if you hate any of his people, you hate Him. God does not need the devil to spread evil, He has people like you.
Sam, how come muslims (and you) do not acknowledge the times when the US has gone to rescue them such s in Kosovo?
Equating protests with terror?
Nice try there, Goebbels.
It is not "if a Muslim does something". It is the fact that Muslims do some very bad things during Jihad. And the new media covers it up. For example – look at the murder of the 5 Jews by the Palestinian. A fact that many of the news media are not discussing. Reuters has pointed out that one of the murdered was an infant. This was all done in the name of Jihad. I am sure infants died during our bombing in Iraq. That was unfortunate and not intended. Any more than it was intended at Dresden, Cologne, Hamburg, Tokyo, or Hiroshima. The point with those bombings was to "break" the will of the government to do war. But in this case, to purposely take an infant and stab it to death is beyond any imagination of a decent person. The only way to describe this person is an animal. And don't give me the "crap" that it is the Israeli oppression that caused it. The blacks were oppressed in this country for 200 years and they NEVER did something so vile as this.
Muslims, there is something wrong with your values system. There is something wrong with your religion to encourage such excesses and barbarity.
There were two infants in that house in Israel whose throats were slit along with their parents. One of the infants was 2 months old. Anyone who can slit the throat of an innocent helpless infant is not of this world and does not deserve anything else but pure misery.
I guess Israel can kill Palestinian babies and call them collatoral damage and when somebody retaliate, he's terrorist and savage. I've seen reports of thousands of children killed by the Israeli heavy war machines in the past years. I guess killing by the means of missiles from F16 from above, It's kinda "sexy" and civilized, but if you cut the throat it's terrorist and savage. I know it's unhuman to slit humans' throat, but from the medical point of view it's less painful and quick to cut own throat and die than to have your skin burned to death. either way is not acceptable, but all can stop if the Palestinians can have their own independant country with dignity. it's not about the religion, terrorists in the 70s in the Arab world were atheists and Marxists..now they are fundamentalists so what? if religion was a factor, Jewish minorities would've not sirvived in the Muslim countries for centuries. Be smart, you keep say and believe in something doesnt make it necessarily true. people are more educated and informed now, propaganda of fear and holocaust guilt is getting old and people are paying attention and they are not as corrupt as politicians. peace.
Respinding to randome- Israelis left to themselves do not willy nilly go about killing palastinians. The palastinians bring the israeli retribution on themselves by provoking Israel. Problem is that no one in the Arab world wants to see one set of people, different from themselves, prosper and succeed in their neighborhood- this is sort of Socialism working here- How dare the Israelis succeed when we do not!.
This is a good and scholarly article and represents good journalism.
Peter King of HATE is BARKING the WRONG TREE and WASTING TAX PAYER MONEY !!!
I would ask for a NEW 911 INVESTIGATION.
Even this statement and many videos on youtube should be cause for suo moto taking cases by the US SUPREME court if it is as independent as those of Pakistan. One Roman Polansky ran after rape and lives freely.
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"What we need to stand up and say is not only did they attack the USS Liberty, they did 9/11. They did it. I have had long conversations over the past two weeks with contacts at the Army War College, at it's headquarters, Marine Corps and I made it absolutely clear in both cases that it is 100 percent certain that 9/11 was a Mossad operation. Period." -
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UM Fareed Zakaria himself has done storys about the rise of white militias and how they might have some racist agenda, Why is that ok but asking about muslims isnt?!?!?!
Religion is a Mental Disorder and a Disease. Draconian punishment like death or burning in "hell" forever for not following some fairy tales... yeah..
Making a claim that Musims is America are radicalized is baseless. Additionally I can't see the connection between national security and these pubic hearings, what King is hoping to accomplish here is puzzling.
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If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear...just roll over and be a good Muslim and let the FBI & DHS do their jobs.
The Jews were doing nothing wrong so they had nothing to fear, eh?.... that old argument only holds water if you're the one with the power. Its the argument of the men with truncheons and black leather overcoats, those who can throw you in secret prisons without due process, to invade your homes, places of worship... The argument of Mccarthy and now King. America should repudiate these tactics–we have always had a strong sense that it is right to defend the powerless. De oppresso liber
The Jews did not have members of their faith committing terrorist acts against the German government. Furthermore the Jews all were loyal Germans. Finally, don't forget that the Arabs supported Hitler, and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem spent the entire war in Berlin. Furthermore, When Israel was given independence in a partitioned Palestine (with the best land going to the Palestinians) it was the Arabs that ATTACKED Israel with the battle cry – "let's finish what Hitler started". These little tidbits are not reported by CNN,CBS, or even Fox. But they are documented facts. Please don't try to assume the role of about to be exterminated. I would also like to remind you that it was the Bosnian Muslims that were complicit and members of the Croatian Ustashi that helped the Gestapo perform genocide against the Serbians in World War 2. Another little tidbit ignored by the media and the left.
Friend Islam has a problem.
It's only puzzling to those who are to blind to see the truth.
He is just trying to be another false patriot. In the US it is easy to pick on Muslims and he knows he cannot touch other religions or ethnic groups. Just like the hate spreading poeple at FOX
Islam is not the problem. Muslims cannot be terrorist because terrorism does not come from God. Terrorism comes from man cast out the radicals who commit terrorist attacks, but do not punish Muslims.
On the contrare Abdul, Islam is the problem.
On the contrary Joe schmoe idiots like you who dont know anything about Islam are the problem. You credit everything a Muslims does to Islam, EVERTYHING. I just read a a fool up there say anyone who slits the throat of a baby deserves misery. You Islam told him to do that? Frikkin numb brains quote excerpts from the Quran where is talks about rules of engagement in war and treason and make it sound like this is what Islam is saying about everyday normal people. You guys have NO CLUE what those lines and excerpts are about in the Quran. By the way when Israel and Palestine are at war the last i checked and Israeli forces have murdered alot more women and children and labeled freedom fighters then any Palestinian but thats not what ppl want to hear.
On the contrary Joe schmoe idiots like you who dont know anything about Islam are the problem. You generously credit everything a Muslims does to Islam, EVERTYHING . I just read a a fool up there say anyone who slits the throat of a baby deserves misery. You think Islam told him to do that? Frikkin numb brains quote excerpts from the Quran where it talks about rules of engagement in war and treason and make it sound like this is what Islam is saying about everyday normal people. You guys have NO CLUE what those lines and excerpts are about in the Quran. You should read the history and the treatment of prisoners and traitors throughout the history and maybe then you will realize that this is how every society has done it in the past .Going back to the murders, Israel forces have killed a lot more women and children then any Palestinian insurgent ever will but that does not justify this persons actions and there is no room in Islam for what he or she did and if this infact is a Muslim who did this then he would have the same punishment in Islam as any non-Muslim.
Terrorism does not come from god? From what I've read god has a "Do This Or Else" type of attitude and I'm sure has killed many more then Osama for not living by a certain set of rules. So is god a terrorist? Religion in general is the problem. Too many wars and death because people are divided by what they were raised into believing. Islam isn't the only religion with a history of murder.
most people are religious only by tradition, not as practiceing christiams , religious people that tout politics or other religions are false religious, the laws given by moses were laws for all religions to live by, ministers, priests , ect were only to be messengers to the word of god, they were not given any authority what so ever to change the message, or give political advise,
Muslims cannot be terrorists? Then why are Muslim slogans chanted when they perform their terrorist acts?
You gonna be surprised when you google "greek anti-americanism". And they are Christians!
Because in their twisted brains they think that this was what God wants from them. Christians did it, Jews did it everyone has done it in the past, it is not normal behaviour and no one is justifying it. The reason Muslims dont always come out and condemn stuff in the media is b'c they dont trust the media to tell the truth.
Since the two are one and the same, how are we to accomplish that?
Muslims cannot be terrorists? Your head is in the sand.
Your reading comprehension is in the sand.
He is trying to say, "You shouldn't blame all Muslims for the act of a small subgroup of terrorists." Just like you shouldn't blame all Christians for the actions of Jared Loughner, Ted Kaczynski, TImothy McVeigh, etc.
My brother spent 16 years in Saudi working for the royal family. What don't you understand about Islam. It is a "religiion of peace" only when you convert or become slaves – or they kill you. They believe in Mohammed, this is what he taught, and they will gladly sacrifice their lives to kill Christians.
I can tell you right now that the Saudi royal family is the furthest thing from how Muslim leaders are supposed to act so if you think that is what Islam is you are dead wrong. The whole concept of "royal family" is unislamic. Positions of leadership are chosen by the people according to Shariah and no "family" has the right to sit and rule a state for centuries like they do. They are arrogant and useless and do all those thing spoiled leaders around the globe do.
Islam is America's and the world's biggest nightmare
Tired of Idiots: If you are tired of idiots, you must be very tired of your own self, you idiot.
Peter King, can we breathe dawg? Y is the gov't so adamant abt instilling fear amongst Americans? Y r they sowing the seeds of division amongst us? Isn't their enough racism floating around? Ignorance?
Peter King, if there is an radicalization going on in America, u dnt think it might hav smthng to do w/our foreign policies? Also, were u sleeping wen yr history teacher in junior high school covered the topic of terrorism? It has no creed, race, religion...try n figure out wut the terrorists want! Stop freaking us out!
Humorme I think you were sleeping in english class
Well said. Fully agree with Fareed. Public drama hearings like this will not take us anywhere.
Peter King = McCarthy 2.0
That is so true!
I do not consider the King hearings in any way the same as the McCarthy hearings. No one's job is being threatened. No one is being asked to 'out' their neighbors or coworkers. Not the same at all. And, if we say that it is forbidden to even TALK about this, then we are going down a dangerous road. WHY is it forbidden to talk about this? WHY do they not WANT us to talk about it? It needs to be discussed. When you hide something and forbid disucssing it, then you have a problem. And the fact is (check your facts) only Muslims blow up themselves and others, only Muslims fly planes into buildings, bomb subways, hotels etc. Lutherans, Baptists, Presbyterians, Catholics, Jews, Christian Scientists do not do those things. No one else does honor killings or stonings. So there is good reason to have hearings and find out why this is happening. Keep the lines open. Talk about it. And beware anyone who says you can't talk about something. That means they have something to hid.
Obviously you forgot about the Oklahoma City bomber, a Christian fundamentalist. Obviously you didn't see the "Christian" leaders harassing and screaming at an innocent Muslim man in front of the White House last week, and tossing little crosses at him. Obviously you haven't seen the Muslims who have been denied their right to build a house of worship in this land of religious freedom. Obviously you didn't hear about the Muslim cabdriver who was repeatedly stabbed by a "Christian" passenger in his cab, screaming about how all Muslims are evil.
I agree Sherri; I found the hearings to be very enlightening. The democrates look to be posturing as Jeffersonians or Martin Luther Kings but we out of touch with the gest of the hearings. They were such asses.
I was impressed with the panel of testifiers. Each and everyone brought a different perspective. Bledsoe was very real and was seeing the bottom line on the statements made by the politicians. Zudie Jasser sees Islam from a perspective that I do not. I do not see it as a religion of peace and how could anyone follow Mohammed who molested a 9 year old and cut off heads and distributed slaves and other booty to his followers. Wow!! I don't get that. Still, I liked his trying to change the direction that Islam is taking. If he just wants to pray to god on a rug surrounded by the rest of the boys well, well and good. Still I liked Zudie. He was coherient, logical and intelligent.
The gentleman from the Somalie community told us how it is in a community most of Americans can never go. He said he was threatened and his son was brainwashed using the religion to kill and be killed. He pleaded for the politicians and the rest of America to wake up. Yet still the democrates showed themselves as so left they endanger us all.
I thought the hearings were a good start and we need more to see for ourselves what is going on.
Well said Sherri!
I've recently been seeing certain individuals giving media interviews and claiming that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated high levels of the US government in a plot to take over the country. Aside from the obvious ridiculousness of the assertion, these individuals insist on being taken seriously. This is essentially one of the McCarthy claims...that Communists were infiltrating the government.
Whether or not one might compare Mr. King to McCarthy, a new McCarthyism is certainly trying to take root. More than a dozen state legislatures have introduced anti-Sharia legislation, as if it were in any real danger of overthrowing the US and state constitutions.
Nikita Kruschev said " We will destroy you from within" – The "Trojan Horse" worked very well. Keep your head buried in the sand and you can kiss your a_ _ goodbye. If you think Islam is not trying to overtake a Christian country (USA) – you are sadly deceived. Their religion teaches them "world domination" through Islam. Surrender, covert or die. I don't particularly like any of those options. And what better way to do this than to "proclaim" your loyalty to America (while refusing to speak out against the radicals) and when they feel they have enough infiltrated Muslims to take over – they will do it. The time to take a stand is now.
I think the video and article I posted validates the RADICAL islamic threat Rep. King seeks to expose and rid our country of before more innocents die at the hands of these animals that corupt the religion of islam. Before anyone freaks out....notice i used the term RADICAL islam.
ENJOY
WASHINGTON – The Muslim Students Association, or MSA, is one of the largest Islamic organizations in America, with chapters on hundreds of college campuses. It's alumni include doctors, lawyers and engineers.
But the group has another track record that it doesn't advertise: several of its leaders have been convicted of terrorism, prompting some terror experts to call the MSA a recruiting tool for jihad.
Although many Muslim and liberal groups complained about recent congressional hearings on homegrown Islamic radicalism, American-born Muslims are behind a growing number of terror plots - a trend that Attorney General Eric Holder has said keeps him "up at night."
Many of these homegrown jihadists once belonged to the MSA, which has thousands of members on college campuses throughout the U.S. and Canada.
Student Network or Terror Factory?
The MSA bills itself as a resource and support group, a place where Muslim students can network and help grow the association.
Terrorism expert Patrick Poole says his investigation of the organization shows it's being used for another purpose.
"The Muslim Students Association has been a virtual terror factory," said Poole. "Time after time after time again, we see these terrorists - and not just fringe members: these are MSA leaders, MSA presidents, MSA national presidents - who've been implicated, charged and convicted in terrorist plots."
The roll call includes Anwar al-Awlaki, the al Qaeda cleric linked to terror plots from Fort Hood to Times Square and beyond.
Awlaki, now a target for assasination by the U.S. government, was president of the MSA at Colorado State University in the mid-1990s.
Then there is Ramy Zamzam. Before his conviction in Pakistan last year for attempting to join the Taliban and kill American troops, Zamzam was president of the MSA's Washington, D.C., council.
Omar Hammami, a leader of the al-Shabaab terrorist group in Somalia, is another MSA alum. He was once president of the group's chapter at the University of South Alabama.
And the list goes on.
Abdurahman Alamoudi, who was national president of the MSA during the 1980s, was al Qaeda's top fundraiser in America and is currently serving a 23-year prison sentence.
Radical Islam Incubator
The MSA is a supposedly "mainstream" group that has long operated on college campuses from coast to coast. Yet a 2007 New York Police Department report identified the organization as an "incubator" for Islamic radicalism.
Former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo said that the problem can be traced back to the group's roots in the Muslim Brotherhood - a jihadist movement that seeks to establish Islamic Sharia law worldwide.
"The MSA serves as a recruitment tool to bring Muslims into the Brotherhood," Guandolo said. "Which was its original purpose: to evaluate Muslims and to bring them into the Brotherhood and to recruit non-Muslims into Islam as a dawa entity, giving them the call to Islam."
Guandolo worked on several major terrorism cases for the FBI. He calls the MSA the "focal point" for the Muslim Brotherhood in America.
"Their goal, both from their senior leaders, presidents of MSA's around the country, national leadership, is to implement Islamic government here in the United States," he explained. "And they say that."
Founded in 1963 at the University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, the MSA quickly spread to other campuses in the Midwest.
"There were really three leaders, three Iraqi guys: Jamal Barzinji, Ahmed Totonji, and Hisam Altalib, who really set it up, who are known, identified Muslim Brotherhood leaders," said Poole. "And from there, MSA became the mother ship of all the Muslim Brotherhood front groups."
Rabidly Anti-Israel
In 2004, the FBI uncovered an internal Muslim Brotherhood document in which a Brotherhood leader identified the MSA as one of "our organizations and the organizations of our friends."
Part of the MSA's on-campus strategy is to aggressively confront pro-Israel speakers.
The Muslim Students Union at the University of California-Irvine, an MSA affiliate, was suspended by the school after members repeatedly heckled Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren during a speech in 2010.
Another MSA member endorsed genocide against Jews in May 2010 during an exchange with conservative commentator David Horowitz at the University of California-Davis.
"I am a Jew," Horowitz said. "The head of Hezbollah has said that he hopes that we will gather in Israel so he doesn't have to hunt us down globally. For or against it?"
"For it," the MSA member answered firmly, in front of a stunned crowd.
The MSA's national body did not respond to requests for comment on this story and the organization has not officially addressed the pattern of terrorism arrests involving its former members.
@Sherri You make the statement that these hearings regarding Muslims are not the same as the McCarthy hearings. You right no one's job is threatened or any of the other horrible things endured by those that went through those times...yet. This is only the beginning. If Mr. King believed that understanding the root cause of terrorism is the desired goal of these hearings, he would include all types of terrorists that plague our society...KKK, Abortion Doctor/Patient killers, White Supremacist, etc. Wonder if you would still agree that these hearings are justifiable when the WHOLE of the Christian community is held under suspicion for the collective terrorist acts of a very small segment of their faith community.
@Dearypie
Ok, what do you propse we call the terrorists that happen to be muslims? that scream your gods name while killing? It needs a name, it's real, it's happening and it's not a theory. Well???
Those who know nothing of history are prone to put out statements like this. All it does is highlight the fact that you are ignorant of the facts and you try and cover it up with childish statements. That is pathetic.
Before anyone starts invoking Joe McCarthy, lest we forget: the KGB released all of their secrets after the fall of the Soviet Union and it turned out that EVERYTHING that Joe McCarthy said was true. It was the news media that lied and STILL LIES about this. One must wonder if they are the same traitors today in protecting Islam. Your problem is you don't read – like the Verona Papers, you were brainwashed by your public school teacher and probably you college teacher.
Fareed's rebuttal to King pretty much sums it up. He's doing it because of the following:
a) He thinks that he's McCarthy.
b) He misses having a "communist"-esque enemy that the entire country can hate/fear.
c) He wants to score some political points.
BTW – Before anyone starts invoking Joe McCarthy, lest we forget: the KGB released all of their secrets after the fall of the Soviet Union and it turned out that EVERYTHING that Joe McCarthy said was true. It was the news media that lied and STILL LIES about this. One must wonder if they are the same traitors today in protecting Islam. The difference CNN et al:
Since the internet, the MSM is not able to control information and what stories to report. You can't cover it up like the MSM did in the 50s.
Ya, it's just they've apprehended wrong guys. So what's the point? To inspire hate, suspiciousness, fear and not to achieve anything?
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Right on the money Fareed. It just surprises me that how little knowledge people have about the second largest and the fastest growing religion. Thanks for providing proper perspective.
Only fast and growing due to women being forced to bear many children and no one can change their religion or they will be threatened with death. No choice, no freedom, no free will.
@gail...actually it is the world's fastest growing religion because of the number of converts it receives. There have been those that choose not to follow Islam and where not "killed" or anything else for that matter. Your comment is more in line with hard line Whabbi Islam which is practiced in Saudi Arabia and also in the more dire, poor, and uneducated population.
Deariepie,
looks like Islam growth is a barometer of the dsperation of society- aCan't bode well for the world if a violence advocating religion gains converts.
What faith teaches followers to "kill the infidels where you find them"? Christians, Jews, Hindus, Mormons? Nope. ISLAM does. Are radical Baptists hijacking planes and flying them into buildings? How about those extremist Presbyterians parking cars packed with explosives in Times Square...oh, or is it those "crazy budist" shooting unarmed soldiers at fort hood....No. No and Nooooo. It is MUSLIMS. Extreme Islamist that kill in the name of YOUR religion.
It is sad that for the sake of being PC you people "apologist" are endangering out homeland. Those of you crying about the hearing focusing on Muslims only are doing exactly what the extreme Muslims want, that is protecting their abilities to recruit, and train jihadist untouched is we might offend Fareed or any of the other reckless dems on Kings Committee. Wake up before it is too late.
Actually those verses are found in the Old Testament as well. So you might want to check yourself and the facts before mouthing off at another religion. I wonder what you propose to do about the problem? Outlaw Islam? Regulate its use? If so I personally would push the same for Christianity. The religion has matured quite a bit from its days when it was burning scientists and minority Christian groups as heretics, killing Jews in Inquisitions, or condoning the "witch hunts"(Salem Witch Trials ring a bell?). However radical Christianity still exists today. So before you get on a message board and throw out an emotionally and hypocritically charged opinion you might want to look over some history, maybe reexamine what you're arguments. Personally I think Islam has a problem with radicals. But if we condemn the whole religion for it, we got to condemn a whole bunch of religions right along with it. Consequently that would negatively effect Muslims, Christians, and other religious people who go about their lives in a civil, lawful manner while making positive contributions to humanity.
@Tyler...Well said!
"Extreme Islamist that kill in the name of YOUR religion"
"only are doing exactly what the extreme Muslims want"
"and train jihadist untouched"
@Tyler
I made these three statements in the post you responded to Tyler. I read and re-read my post and from that, I'm certain I was clear about the Muslims I was writing about Tyler. Extreme Islamist, Extreme Muslims and Jihadist. If this describes you then you are the problem, if not you need to focus on your reading comprehension skills. You saw the word "Muslim" and flipped out (tunnel vision) then your mind wrote the post the way you wanted to see it. People like you, MSM, dems, are so narrow minded on this issue that by your choice to deny the threat you are, in my opinion, complicit.
It's a little sad on my part to be doing this so many days after the original post, yet I can tell by your last post that you still don't get it. So I'm going to make this crystal clear. First, I'm agnostic so I'm definitely not part of the problem. Secondly, according to my standardized tests I took before going to college, my reading comprehension skills are quite sufficient, but thanks for the pointer. I'm hypothesizing that you didn't think I read your whole post, and that I missed out on you mentioning specifically radical Muslims. Well, I didn't. My comments were more in reference to that very first one you had typed. Nevertheless my point still stands. So one last time...
. I agree with the idea that a problem exists and that there must be a solution acquired, but I disagree with the methods. In your eyes you (incorrectly) believe that those who oppose these hearings are indirectly supporting Muslim extremists, and maybe even defending them. It's either we do this hearing, or we give radical Muslims a free hand to do harm. For that, you are guilty of propagating a false dichotomy. Consequently, the reality of the situation is different. These hearings are not likely to stop one terrorist attack. Extremists are not just going to throw down their weapons in defeat because some U.S. Senator held a hearing. What I fear, and many others opposed to this, is that the only real outcome of these hearings will be angry moderate Muslims who had to see there religion put under scrutiny for the actions of a few. I will ask again. Do any Christians want hearings on their religion? How would all the moderate Christians feel? But if people insist on these trials, I will be impatiently waiting for the hearings on Christianity.
It's not Islamaphobia because they really are trying to Kill us.
We are trying to kill you?!? Go back to your hole DS, I was in command of a US Army Company in Iraq in Operation Iraqi Freedom, I am muslim and we had 3 other muslims in the Company. Check your facts, because I am pretty sure you and your fake patriotism were not rolling around the streets of Baghdad for your country. These hearings are a national disgrace that a religion can be put on public trail in the USA these days. Why are their no public trials for the radicalization of the right for the surge of right wing terrorism attacks including attempted arson of mosques and lest we for get the attempted assasination of Rep. Gifford.
@MuslimVet. Is that really your reponse. You can do better than that. And I do the life and death crap as a career, every day, so save that BS.
Sadly, MuslimVet, I feel your pain. You hate being told that you are anti-American just because you were born to or converted to Islam. 9/11 is 3x as painful for you, because it was your American Brothers that died, because the perpetrators were radicalized crazy abominations of your religion, and because you cannot stand it when ignorant Americans (like Peter King and all of the morons who drink his water) tell you you are evil, just because of who you are.
Sadly, it will be a very long time before people of this country are, on the whole, ready to accept you. You will always have to stomach their ignoraance, intolerance, and hate. They are fools. They fear what they refuse to understand. Instead of seeing th 5-6 million American Muslims as American brothers, they view them as a foreign invasion. Please, continue to fight your fight for what you believe is right. Stand up for your American brothers. Stand up for your beliefs. Be kind, gentle, and giving. If one of the anti-Muslim crowd offends you, remember, he is a scared infant, and you need to teach him by being a good example of a human being, a good fellow American, and a good Muslim. In that way only, he will accept you for who you are, an American Muslim.
I appreciate your service and am proud to be your countryman.
When you look at the world through the soda straw of Islam, you see only what you are programmed to see.
Islam is the most perfect system of mind control ever conceived. To call it a religion is off the mark. The notion of God exists only to lend credence to the ravings of Mohammad.
Islam exists because Mohammad killed everyone who did not accept that the was the only prophet of God on earth for eternity. That is the only reason Islam exists. The writings of the Koran are rambling drivel without any logical thread, that's why it must be spread by fear and murder.
Islam is the only religion on earth that is explicit in its mission to exterminate all other religions, and it is the only religion in the 21st century willing to commit acts of savagery to extend its domain.
@really?? It appears that you are o.k. with the idea of painting everyone with the same brush. That's called racism. Muslims serve their country (the U.S.A if you didn't know which country I meant) in a number of ways. From first responders to the 9/11 attacks, teachers, business people, statesmen, to everything in between. Muslim Americans are not terrorists anymore than Christians are for having KKK, anti-Abortionist killers, or white supremacist among their followers.
@Dearypie
I have to ask, are you high?
Really;
You most likely will be hurt or killed by a Christian person than a Muslim. Reading your comment (run spell before you post) you are full of hate. Bet nice… everyone else is. Do you comprehend?
I did, your computer is broken.
The main reason there has never been a second terrorist attack in the U.S. is quite simple. Al Qaeda has never had the strenghth to stage one. In fact,it's highly dubious that they ever had the strenghth to stage 9/11 without outside help. Did that help come from the C.I.A.? I guess that one will ever know. One thing is certain,however,that 9/11 was a great boon to the Bush Administration as it provided the perfect pretext for both the invasion of Afghanistan and the Patriot Act.
They had help from Saudis.
Timothy McVeigh is yet another great example of a Muslim terrorist.....
There might well be reason to work with the American Muslim community, the Roman Catholic community, the Mormon community, and the Evangelical Christian community, and others, to consider the extent to which they considered 'political radicalization' a threat to their religious freedom, guaranteed under the constitution. We could have heard from each group about the extent to which they believe federal, ftate, and local law enforcement agencies provide appropriate protection from such assaults, the perception of the effectiveness of the authorities, and elicit suggestions from them about how protection and enforcement procedures could be improved to protect religious freedom. We might have heard about the methods of different types of radical groups and their attempts to infiltrate and leverage fear and foment hatred to win converts. What might we have heard from Irish Catholics about the methods of the IRA, from white fundamentalist Christians about white supremacists, or Mormons about polygamists, or African-Americans Christians about radical black separatists groups?
The protection of religious freedom in this country is a proper subject for Congressional review from time-to-time. The actual hearings were not as "bad" as I feared they would be, but I am afraid the veneer of legitimacy was thin and applied as an afterthought.
Now, King claims he will turn to the issue of radicalization of prisoners in the penal system. Will this include the efforts by Crips and Bloods, Mexican drug gangs,white Nazi groups, criminal organizations like some motor cycle games, advocates of violent overthrow of the US government, dubious 'militias,' or will he focus solely on radical Black Muslims, and Radical Islam? If the latter, I hope Mr. King can be persuaded to take his crusade to the epicenter of his fears. He should hold his hearing in a madrasa in some remote valley of Pakistan. He might actually discover a form of religious expression that effectively expresses what is probably in his heart. After all, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. -dlh
I normally agree with everything Fareed says but I have to respectfully disagree. As a resident of NY for 33 years and NJ the last 5, I have lived near mosques. If Fareed visited the mosques in Patterson, NJ and Astoria, NY he would be shocked. There is zero assimilation occurring and it's a breeding ground for hate. Much of the money they raise gets shipped back overseas to terrorist organizations. The FBI is onto it but it needs to be brought to light in this country. I normally disagree with a lot of what Peter King says and does but he is on point this time.
Three Hundred Forty Three.
Absolutely. America needs the King Hearing. Nobel-prize winning author Wole Soyinka’s observed in Feb 2010 – "England is a cesspit. England is the breeding ground of fundamentalist Muslims…...its social logic is to allow all religions to preach openly. But this is illogic, because none of the other religions preach apocalyptic violence. And yet England allows it". America does not need the kind of future guaranteed for Europe at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/article1085562.ece
Frankly, why do muslims insist on coming to America ? Ultimately, all muslims are agreed that they want to live according to the Sharia ; to live in perfect Islamic states. There are 57 different countries, members of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) furiously working towards this Islamic idyll. The OIC was once called Organisation of Islamic Countries until Christians in places like Nigeria who had been forcefully co-opted complained. Why, in God’s name do muslims not go and live in any of these 57 Islamic countries ? If they want a perfect theocratic state, why not in Iran ? For instance, declared and followed since 1965 by the muslim faithful, is Al Qiyam’s creed from the journal it called Humanisme Musulman – “All political parties, all regimes and all leaders which do not base themselves on Islam are decreed illegal and dangerous. A communist party, a secular party, a marxist-socialist party, a nationalist party cannot exist in the land of Islam”. America represents and is clearly committed to democratic ideals and world-view to which we all owe the greatest economic emancipation and personal freedoms human beings have ever known. The fast-breeding occupants of these proposed mosques will destroy all this. The fiery oppressive nature of Islam is clearly illustrated by Nigeria’s membership : muslims, mainly in North Nigeria make up only 50% of the population. However, historically, largely illiterate muslims dominated the soldiery, whilst Christians from South Nigeria traditionally merchants, trooped into the civil service, the professions, commerce and academia. Well, power came to the muslims, as it were “through the barrel of the gun”. Successive Muslim military dictators treated the country like a personal fiefdom for decades. One of them decreed by fiat that the country must be a member of the OIC. And that was it. All the prayers of South Nigeria’s famously favoured Pentecostal Christians have not been able to remove them from the evil organisation.
Really all or most Muslims want to live under Sharia Law? I guess that doesn't explain why in Tunis, Egypt, Libya, and other heavily Muslim populated countries they risked their lives to gain democracy. I think you need to befriend a Muslim today and learn a bit from them. Ignorance makes us scared and say stupid things.
@Dearypie
You name Egypt in your post and describe the country as having a democracy. Last I checked the (Egyptian, In case you're wondering) military was running the country through a pupet regime. Egypt is funtioning under a damaged constitution from the previous 30 years. Most people would decribe that type of government as
martial law
Deariepie,
In Egypt, Tunisia Libya et al, all the people are asking for is "term limits"- nothing more fancy than that.
@Dearypunpie
Spoke a little to soon on egypt didn't ya.........you were right about term limits, then again thats been stated from the begining, where you failed is thinking you know about something you don't.
Voters in egypt ALSO voted in favor (77%) of making islam the religion of egypt, Sharia law was affirmed and all in all if it looks like an islamic republic, quacks like one......guess what.
The Muslim Brotherhood's plan for global islamic domination is in full swing...
I'm a left of center Democrat. But I can't understand how Fareed and others are so mistaken on this. Peter King may be a right wing zealot, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. I'll stack Steven Emerson up against his ivory tower experts any day of the week. He has exhaustively documented the connections or the acquiescence of CAIR and ISNA to the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic Jihad, etc. for years and years. Not a single Republican on that committee would say that 80% of American Muslims are radicals. However, the Imams coming in from Muslim countries to preach and teach at the mosques here are in many cases much more hard line than not. Even if some of their teaching goes in one ear and out the other we have to be concerned about the small number of young Muslims/young converts who are impressed. And leaving that up to FBI to the exclusion of American citizens knowing about it is clearly wrong. That African-American father at the hearing should've been aware of this. If our representatives in Congress and local government officials in Minnesota were aware of this maybe they'd have assisted that Somali uncle and the other families of the young Somalis who went abroad for training to fight in Somalia.
I generally like Fareed. However when it comes to Islam almost all muslims seem to wear rose colored glasses. All you have to know is the fact that minorities in all 55 Islamic countries have and are being murdered, terrorized, harshly dicremenated against and falsly improsined using Blasphamy laws that are used against non-Muslims. Nearly every one of the Islamic countries have a substaintial smaller portion of miniroty community today than a century ago as a result of murder forced conversions and forced to flee. I am sorry this is not something I wish to celebrate but condem.
Does Mr. Fareed Zakaria agree that Muslims should be asked to expunge the clear exhortations to murder non-muslims in their books of worship ? And that if they do not, then the creed should be labelled a cult and not a religion. Regardless of the 1billion people who are hooked on it ? Are these not the most revered passages from the Muslim book of worship ? ?? – (Quaran, Sura 47: Ayat 4): When you meet the disbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. When your Lord revealed to the angels; I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast Terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. O you who believe! do not take the jews and the christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them (5:49-51) …..They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be all alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly their homes in allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. (4:89)33.61] Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering. Quran 9: 123): O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
Why does all this matter for America ? Simple. When evil appetites range unchecked, disaster is inevitable. Nuclear warheads from China or Russia or Iran can probably be neutralised. Nuclear bombs from Pakistan, assembled in U.S. cities by Islamic militants and detonated simultaneously to “cast Terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve” is a distinct and logical possibility that requires immediate, widespread and engaging public discourse. Nuclear-bombs-rich Pakistan’s descent into a cauldron of Islamic hatred is clear for all to see. ““Pakistan is in thrall to the "forces of darkness"”” was the conclusion at theweek.co.uk when an assessment was done of the events surrounding the brazen murder of Salmaan Taseer. He was the charismatic governor who dared suggest a repeal of the draconian anti-non-muslims so-called blasphemy laws. When a people are in thrall to a force of darkness and they have nuclear bombs a-plenty and they live amongst Christians, and we know that, amongst Muslims, lying to protect other Muslims is revered and called TAQIYA, then a public hearing is necessary, Mr. Fareed Zakaria. Couldn’t Mr. Zakaria meanwhile take some of his let-us-censor-ourselves wisdom back to his native Pakistan ?
Very true Paul! they fail to realise that when even 1 % of mosquitoes are carriers of malaria, it is a big threat to all around. harping on the 99% 'clean' mosquitoes doesnt work. it is their phILLosophy, their habits, their binding with blind non-progressive mullahs, allergy to development of mankind, non scientific perspectives, love for a distinct rudimentary identity even in dress code, and a false sense of absolute superiority inspite of having obsolete mind sets blindly following whats written in the times of the arab fights and tough ways of living in which propagation was the only way to move into history, all this has made them the way they are. their petrol is not clean. hence engine misfires quite often. claims of innocence doesnt hold water with all the evidence around. they shoud please introspect and take it in a positive sense for their own good and for the good of all around.
Source:http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/047.qmt.html
047.004
YUSUFALI: Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.
PICKTHAL: Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain.
SHAKIR: So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.
When you are at war, you take POW....modern day warfare teached 1400 years ago.
005.049
YUSUFALI: And this (He commands): Judge thou between them by what Allah hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, but beware of them lest they beguile thee from any of that (teaching) which Allah hath sent down to thee. And if they turn away, be assured that for some of their crime it is Allah's purpose to punish them. And truly most men are rebellious.
PICKTHAL: So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee. And if they turn away, then know that Allah's Will is to smite them for some sin of theirs. Lo! many of mankind are evil-livers.
SHAKIR: And that you should judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors.
--justice should be based on know facts rather then desired outcome–principals for moderns judiciaries.
005.050
YUSUFALI: Do they then seek after a judgment of (the days of) ignorance? But who, for a people whose faith is assured, can give better judgment than Allah?
PICKTHAL: Is it a judgment of the time of (pagan) ignorance that they are seeking? Who is better than Allah for judgment to a people who have certainty (in their belief)?
SHAKIR: Is it then the judgment of (the times of) ignorance that they desire? And who is better than Allah to judge for a people who are sure?
005.051
YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.
–when these communities back stab early Islam this is a prudent advice. Look at the history, when prophet was in Mecca, he and his people were prosecuted–he send his follower to Christian Kind...who gave them refuges...we he first move to Medina he made treaty with Jews....however when force of Islam started to become stronger...both Jew and Christian broke their words and start back stabbing which perfectly RATIONAL action from J/C view point. And to warn against those action is it perfectly RATIONAL not to befriend with them.
004.089
YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
PICKTHAL: They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,
SHAKIR: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
004.090
YUSUFALI: Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).
PICKTHAL: Except those who seek refuge with a people between whom and you there is a covenant, or (those who) come unto you because their hearts forbid them to make war on you or make war on their own folk. Had Allah willed He could have given them power over you so that assuredly they would have fought you. So, if they hold aloof from you and wage not war against you and offer you peace, Allah alloweth you no way against them.
SHAKIR: Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.
–If peace is offered, take it....else be as brutal as you be in war.
An attack by nuclear weapons on the US mainland in the name of Islam will necessitate a thermonuclear response against the cities of Mecca, Medina and Qom. A subsequent attack will necessitate a thermonuclear response against Islamic institutions worldwide.
The greatest danger facing the USA is the misguided perception by the Muslim world that an Islamic nuclear attack using terrorist Jihadist proxies will go unanswered.
The greatest danger facing the Muslim world is the misguided perception by the Muslim world that an Islamic nuclear attack using terrorist Jihadist proxies will go unanswered.
All this politically correct BS about a religion that is determined to force humanity into their system of mind control and crush the human spirit for all time is much more dangerous than you realize. Islam needs to be put on notice in no uncertain terms that they are in over their head in taking on the West. Way over their head.
Lets look back in history. December 8, 1941 (1day after pearl harbor) who was the enemy? Italy, france, Canada? September 12, 2001, who was the enemy? Russia, Germany, Mexico? Wake up people! I did not hear of a bunch of Baptists flying planes in to the world trade center! I am fairly certain Methodists do not set off bombs in a crowded restaurant! If YOU can not figure who the enemy is, go to work for Obama!
who was that guy again who ran a plane into the IRS building a few years ago? Not a muslim. Keep you hatred to yourself and read.
Hmmm, bigotry and ignorance working hand-in-hand? I'm sensing a trend in these posts. It's a trend that you will find all over the world and which is really at the core of all of this.
How uninformed or misleading can you be? We have had attacks since 9/11, just not on the same scale. Better check with DHS before you make such a statement next time. Also the reason we don't have the major problems that you see elsewhere is not because of America assimilating. It is because a large enough amount of Islam has not moved in to the country and demanded their "religious rights" under Sharia. Oh and by the way "Sharia" does not assimilate .. it assimilates YOU. See under Sharia, all other laws come second. Also Sharia applies to NON Muslims as well.
It becomes enforced by Muslims on NON Muslims when they have a large enough percentage of the population to do so. The edicts are religious and of the highest order, superseding the laws of man especially since they are given from god. The constitution takes a back seat to Sharia law. It is enforced by physical punishment or death.
It is permissible in Islam to lie and mislead anyone to achieve this goal. Murder, terrorism and violence are not only acceptable, but mandated by Islamic law.
The Police play by the rules, Islam has a different set it plays by and does not "Assimilate" to anyones law but their own.
I suggest you look at the UK, Germany and France to see how well Islam "Assimilates" and why they are doing their best to just maintain order now as their Muslim populations grow.
It's a pity that people can mislead like this in todays day and age when all you have to do is search on the Internet to see what really happens. But maybe they figure it just can't happen here. But a lot of countries thought that who now bow to Islam as Christians and Jews are murdered without any real reporting of it.
Islam does not Assimilate. You assimilate or die.
Very true. I believe Mr. Zakaria, coming from India as an immigrant should know all these from the incidents in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. In India, we all know how the mullas and imams defy the land of the laws (which I am not going to provide details due to lack of time, but one can easily find them in the internet). The political parties follow the path of appeasements to these intolerant creed so as to get their votes during election and even don't bother to protect laws which are blatantly violated by these people.
I am surprised, how Mr. Zakaria, given his background, can be so naive to ignore the fundamental tenets of radicalism in this religion.
The problem is Not Peter King. Go to the Source. It is the GOP, it is the party that encourage and planted seed of fear and misrepresented a population and religion. Change comes from people and Republican supports must say NO.
You have no clue.
I am a muslim and I am sick and tired of christians tellling me that I want to impose shariah in America. I and all of the american muslims I know DO NOT SUPPORT SHARIAH LAW in America. Blasphemy laws are an insult to Islam and I am ashamed of them. Quran clearly states "Let there be no compulsion in religion" "prophet can you compel them to believe". These are man made laws and will be abolished once education rates in muslim countries improve. Have not christians given up witch killing and gay killing... wait but uneducated people living in chrisitan countries still practice them. I love america's secular laws and I would never want to change them. This shariah law stuff is all propaganda, its really coming from a survey done in britain when they asked uk muslims would they mind if shriah law is imposed in Britain and 1/3 of them said "they do not mind". They never said that they want to impose shariah law in UK. Christians ..what happened to Jesus teachings of "love thy neighbor" or did he tell you love thy neighbor but its oke to hate muslim neighbors".
I honestly believe that Muslims need to speak out in greater numbers against their own Muslims jihadist brethren counterparts...complaining, protesting and pretending as if nothing is going on will do little but further the feelings against Muslims in America...the Jihadist issue is coming from Islam, Not Christianity, Not Hinduism, Not Buddhism or other religions. And the problem is not only here in America but WORLDWIDE. It's a Muslim problem.
Don't blame America or its people if they seek answers from its leaders and from the very same people the problem is coming from, the inaction of the Muslim community speaks volumes on where you people stand...and we can only assume you are in total agreement with what the Muslim Jihadists are doing.
If anyone cares to look at the world stage, we see Islam at war with the Christians, we see Islam at war with the Jews, we see Islam at war with the Hindus, we see Islam at war with the Buddhists, we see Islam at war with the Blacks of Africa and we see Islam at war with Islam.
The obvious conclusion is the problem is not other religions, THE PROBLEM IS ISLAM AND ADHERENTS!!!
You are looking at a small snapshot in time, 50-100 years ago christians were colonizing muslims and stealing their wealth and land, killing jew (nazis), Japanese bombings, serbs killling bosnian muslims, who knows which religion will be the oppressor next. Muslims have come out and spoken out against terrorism but the media does not pay attention to that and give more time to the radicals. Wait, that's actually what Jews say about catholics and the pope that they did not do enough to stop genocide and spoken out against jewish killing, when chrisitians claim that they did. So who are you to say that we are not speaking out against it. Islam is rapidly growing (due to high birth rates and conversions) but a great majority of our populations are not trying to impose our beliefs on others. Per Quran "let there be no compulsion in religion". Quit listening to glenbeck and faux,
All very pretty, but facts are sharp and they will cut you. The Ground Zero Mosque proponent has been quoted that the goal is to impose Sharia law in the US. ALso look at the Mission of the Muslim Brotherhood. The US is a predominantly Christian Country. We have a Christian Background. If it is your intent to impose your religion on us by force, then please leave. I would rather that, then the ultimate need to remove you violently.
The so-called 'prophet' Muhammad said totally different and logically contradictory things during his life, and all his words were the 'word of God'. The spin that Islam puts on this inconvenient fact is that God is 'mysterious'. Muhammad also stated that the penalty for blasphemy against his religion, by anyone of any religion, was death.
You really cannot have it both ways.
Here is the link of a ridiculous right wing survey about shariah law in UK
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/1155335.sharia_law_survey_rejected/
please check out http://www.islamicsolutions.com/my-log-9-why-they-hate-islam-and-muslims/
The point is that the Obama administration isn't doing a proper job of investigating extremists. The president himself cannot bring himself to say Ft. Hood was terrorism. The Executive Branch cannot today be trusted to protect us. Without the Congress acting, Obama would have been successful in having civilian trials for the detainees in Guantanamo. So, Fareed is wrong; Congress, representing the people, has to act because the president isn't doing his job properly (never has and never will, due to his incompetence). I still cannot believe half the country bought that snake-oil salesman's pitch.
Obama may never say it but ALL Americans know the Ft. Hood attack was an act of terrorism....Muslim terrorism to be exact.
The "Death to America" radical crowd sure hates to be exposed to the light of day.
You know it!!
Well stated.
“The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers…” ~ Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
“There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it,” said Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
it just tells that he is not "moderate"
"Those who know nothing about Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those people are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all!' Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by the infidel? Islam says: 'Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter them.' Islam says: 'Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword.' The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim." – Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless wa...rriors at every step..." – Sir Winston Churchill
The Five Deceptions of Islam:
1.) "Islam is a religion of love."
2.) "Islam is a religion of peace."
3.) "Allah is just another name for God."
4.) "We worship Jesus Christ like you do."
5.) "Koran is the Divine Word of Allah."
The problem is that followers of Islam do believe that the Koran is in fact God's literal word-for-word message given to Mohammed and the calls for action are commands not suggestions. That is why there is no "moderate" Islam. As Turkey's leader Erdogan said speaking of the West's use of that term, "These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”
"Islamophobia": The fear of speaking out against the rapidly growing religion/ideology that is out to repress all who do not follow its doctrine.
Fareed has some wisdom, but not as fair as hoped. King is on the right track, but does not yet know exactly how to proceed. It's not easy. I think people of all faiths are challenged by the success of criminals at getting members of a religion to commit terrorist acts. King gets labeled a bigot because it seems that many assume he's a bigot because he seeks answers. I think it's way too soon to go down this road. He's not calling for any bad actions against a religion; he's asking for help understanding the interplay between religion and the criminals attempting to exploit it. He needs help, not condemnation.
Why does CAIR hold meetings telling Muslims not to cooperate with law enforcement? I think that is what drives this hearing. Clearly CAIR may get some money for their operations, but I have reason to believe that CAIR represents Muslims as well as AARP represents senior citizens: In other words not so well.
I didn’t know that it is emotional to ask for a vigorous public discourse. However, with love from Europe is this, too ....
Psychologist : Western Quran schools are "terrorist factories"
EuropeNews 23 February 2011
By Dr. Nicolai Sennels, psychologist and author
How to turn normal human beings into murderous and hateful psychopaths who blindly obey their totalitarian systems and its authorities suppressing and killing innocent people? In short: How to create a terrorist ? Violent and murderous political, ethnic and religious regimes have used the same effective methods throughout history all over the world. The procedure consists of two simple steps that are repeated again and again: 1) You force a person to repeat the system's doctrine again and again for months and years until he or she knows every word by heart and it pervades his or her whole way of thinking and it is the only truth they believe in. 2) You beat and s c a r e the person (best if this is done randomly and severely), thus forcing him or her to become insensitive and unempathic in order to be able to bare the physical and psychological suffering and in order to increase feelings of anger, frustration and fear – feelings that are then directed against the system's enemies. In this way you will create a person whose whole being is pervaded by the system's doctrine and who has lost the ability to feel both his own and others’ pain. You will have an emotionally cold person that blindly follows his authorities and their political or religious doctrine. If you use this method on a child who is in the process of developing its personality, the learned doctrine will simply become a part of the child's personality. The psychological impact of the physical abuse will also be deeper. As children and youth are dependent on acceptance from adults, they are easier to influence. Being a child psychologist I was shocked to realise that this is exactly what is done to millions of Muslim children in both the Muslim world and the West. Tens of thousand of madrassas and Quranic schools all over the world are making their students repeat the Quran and the Hadiths again and again, until they know them by heart. They are told to believe every word and never to question neither the way nor the goal. It is normal in these schools that the defenceless and innocent children are randomly beaten and humiliated by the teachers and older students – who themselves are emotionally destroyed beings who have been a b u s e d the same way as they now use against their pupils. They personify the goal: The abused becomes the abuser. Britain has more than 2,000 madrassas, where more than 200,000 children aged from four to their mid-teens are taught the Quran on weekday evenings. Investigations show that extreme violence is common in the British madrassas : "Students have been slapped, punched and had their ears twisted, according to an unpublished report by an imam based on interviews with victims in the north of England. One was "picked up by one leg and spun around” while another said a madrass a teacher was "kicking my head – like a football” ... Hiba, 7, was slapped across the face so hard by her madrassa teacher that her ear was cut. It later became inflamed and she had to have emergency medical treatment." The teachers are reported to punish the children whenever they mispronounce a word or forget a verse of the Quran. One private investigator reported that "the victims had grown to accept the abuse. 'They all joked about it. There's a culture that accepts it.'”Another investigation disclosed that the children are taught to hate non-Muslims : "‘You’re not like the non-Muslims out there,’ the teacher says, gesturing towards the window. ‘All that evil you see in the streets, people not wearing the hijab properly, people smoking . . . you should hate it, you should hate walking down that street.’" The same investigation reports that during less than three hours of lessons the teacher b e a t children as young as six at least ten times. In one occasion during the secret filming one child is held down by an elder student while another elder student threatens to beat him with a small table.These reports are from the West, where thousands of madrassas exist and millions of Muslim children are learning the traditional Islamic teachings by heart, many of them being physically and psychologically traumatized. Research show that in Muslim culture "moral education seems to be neglected in favour of punishment” which may explain the wide acceptance of the abuse by the childrens parents. Everybody is welcome to look for videos on e.g. YouTube about madrassas in Muslim countries, where the conditions and are even worse. Seen from the perspective of a child psychologist, the many thousands of madrassas and Quran schools, are literally terrorist factories creating an army – like Muslim population of youths and adults inside the Western countries. From early age they have been brainwashed to think that every word of the Quran should be taken literally and they have been made hateful and emotionally cold by the physical and psychological punishments. Making the schools non-violent will include immense amounts of year long of control. This also includes changing a central pattern of the Muslim culture – child raising – and the Muslim cultures massive failing of integration into non-Islamic cultures has proven that changing basic cultural values and behavior within the Muslim communities are almost impossible. Should we in spite of the immense challenges be able to remove the wide spread a b u s e , the children are still learning the Quran by heart and are taught to take every word at face value, which is exactly what Islamic terrorists do. Millions of children attend the m a d r a s s a s and when they and their subsequent generations grow up, the consequences will be big.– "Telling the truth after proper investigation is the height of courage." – Wafa Sultan
Paul, You can’t formulate your own opinion, so you copy and paste. How pathetic.
@Rami
Your only opinion here has been your opinion about spelling and grammer. Didn't you say "be nice"?
The only comment that is appropriate Rami is: read it and weep. Whether he cut and pasted it is irrelevant. It is an observation by a credible source. We form opinions by them. It is more than just having a deluded journalist at CNN say "Islam is good" and believing it.
rami, perfect example of a blind man. cannot see the islamic elephant standing in the room, stomping on its adherents until they comply. cut and paste? whatever, the truth still stands and not even 1 billion screaming, throat slicing, head chopping islamic fools can change that, ever.
And this is the education system and methods these Islamic tyrants are trying to impose in the USA? Even if those Islamic torturer teachers were nice and non violent, Islam is still worhtless and useless to humankind because God,the Creator of the universe, will only save the soul of all those who believe in HIs son Jesus of Nazareth; this message appeared to the world 600 years befor child molester Mohammed came to confuse many Arabs and whom today call themselves Muslims.
Upperhand, you are too judgmental. Nevertheless, if any pdopld ever tell you that Islam loves Jesus as Christians do, the individuals are wrong because Islam demotes Jesus from the son of God to a lesser prophet.
Remember to judge individuals by their actions, not their religion. If their actions include the deception that Christ is loved equally, look at it with caution because that is not correct.
Upperhand, you are too judgmental. Nevertheless, if any people ever tell you that Islam loves Jesus as much as Christians do, the individuals are wrong because Islam demotes Jesus from the son of God to a lesser prophet.
Remember to judge individuals by their actions, not their religion. If their actions include the deception that Christ is loved equally, look at it with caution because that is not correct. However, that does not mean that Muslims don't love him at all.
Fareed – CNN's crawler shouting "convenience stores stripped" in Japan, is misleading...Japanese culture does not tolerate theft..these are store shelves that are empty because their citizens have paid for the food and they are empty...only in other countries would looting and theft occur and be expected....
Thanks Jeff, very good
lets hear some testimony from the women of islam, the real, ever present, subjugated victims of the fascist ideology called islam. tired of hearing from muslim males who when their mouths are open, they are lying
I am a proud muslim woman, I believe that my faith liberates me, I am not pressured to go on dates and be date raped (1 in 5 american woman is date raped, per statistics on CNN). My faith encourages modesty in clothing, so I don't have an eating disorder, I am happy how I look I don't have to be butchered under a knife to be able to fit into a tight bathing suit. Se* is not for procreation in Islam, I am not a cattle who is expected to procreate and pop out kids every two years like in Catholicisim. Islam gave us "mehar" ( commmanded husbands to give their wives a marriage gift) a property or large sum of money) so they have something of their own that they could invest or have ownership of. Subjugation of women is a twisted interpretation of ISlam and more tribal and cultura. Also, you cannot ignore the fact the Pakistan, Indonesia, bengladesh, and Turkey have all elected women as their leaders.
excellent, please inform the media to stop showing the pictures and stories of honor killings, sexual mutilations, girl school gassings, etc. tell me you want to live under the taliban rule, c,mon, please
taliban do not represent true islam, like the women witch killers and gay killers in Uganda do not represent christianity. Taliban are illiterate, they are unable to even write their name.
Complete rubbish. we are the biiggest terroirsts, look what we did to iraq? we are hated by all not just muslims, amanada knox, italy, american contractor in cuba, every one hates us, becuase our media lies.
well john, i guess the solution is just to nuke the us out of existence, will that make you feel better? you seem tense
dont worry about the application of sharia law in the us in our lifetimes. at this point for muslims to attempt such a move would not only create a genocidal response and push back their "global caliphate" efforts in the us by who knows how many years. its our offspring who will have to suffer the throw back, unevolved machinations of islamic "progressive" shenanigans.
muslims "assimilate", then make their moves. they are cowards and liars. every "mosque" i encounter is surrounded by fences and latched gates. is that to keep anyone who is not muslim out? protection? i have yet to see any anti muslim activity carried out in this area, yet, they lock themselves behind fortress like gates. islam was, is and always will be a sick, fascist cult borne of ignorance and carried on by since-birth indoctrinated closed minded fools. islam is good? not for free thinking people.
american muslims ARE NOT TRYING to bring Sharia law into US, get that into your thick skull, Stop listening to Faux and Glenbeck whose news are for people with lower IQ or lower level of education, we immigrated to US for its secular laws, if we wanted shariah we would have stayed in our countries (most of them follow a corrupted version of Islam, their eduction institutions are like the equivalents of GlenBeck and fox news).
Are you sure? What about 'Halal' ? Recently I heard, muslims in north america want 'Halal' swimming pools, because they don't want to get into the pools used by non-muslims (so called 'infidels' according to their religion).
My little girl, age 6-7 used to go visit a little girlfriend at our Muslim neighbors. She said her little friend told her that after she left, her mother would make her take a bath and scrub her so hard it hurt, then would spend hours cleaning everything that my daughter touched. Her friend said it was because she was kuffar and she wasn't sure what that meant. Needless to say, the Muslim child never came near our house.
After the second grade the friendship was over. Her friend got the message. My daughter did not understand.
Islam is deceit. It is founded on bigotry. Who are you people trying to kid?
cosmopolitan, Stop listening to Fox news rumors and misinformation, last time I checked you guys invaded a muslim country and embarassed yourselves in front of the entire world and got yourselves in a lot of debt, based on fear mongering and lies told to to you by these fellow republicans. Halal is a name fore meat, like Kosher for jewish meat, there is not such idea for a pool. This is completely ridiculous idea or rumor, there is no islamic concept of halal pools.
This news about 'halal pool' is not from FOX or any right-wing channel. It is a news from Canada. In canada, some muslim organization are asking for exclusive days for muslim people in public pools. It may not be called 'halal pool', but you should be familiar with the concept here, namely 'sharia system' in every aspects of life. Next, they will ask for 'sharia banking', sharia judiciary system, sharia restictions on women (e.g. should not travel beyond 48 miles without a blood related male companion) etc etc. And, if they can gather enough support (by increasing their population in various ways, forcible conversion, multiple marriages, kidnapping non-muslim girls and marrying them forcibly, preventing conversion of muslims to non-muslims by virtue of their religious edict, etc. etc), they might eventually reach their goal.
cosmopolitan, if sharia banking is so bad then why does Indian govt is offering it ?? becoz its lucrative and bringing a lot of returns and they want rich muslim states to invest in Indian banking. halal pool days can just be for women who want to have women only days so they don't have to be in the presence of men. I don't know anything about it, but in US also there are women only gym that people request for. Again, stop making a big moutain out of a small thing.
These are not rumors.These are facts from credible news articles from credible newspapers. One can easily find these articles in the Internet by appropriate keyword search in Google.
All religions are dangerous. So far as I know, the only one we have to concern our selves about, that has a violent streak, is Islam. So whoever keeps an eye on them , hopefully the FBI and the CIA ,have my vote. Not all Germans as example where Nazis, as fascist have a methodology of winning over mainstream populations. I am sure Islam has many factions who job it is to radicalize their followers. The Pakistanis seem to deploy the teaching starting with their very young. One always has to wonder how many Muslim countries believe in stoning, and cutting peoples hands off, as common place. Odd civilization, guess they have their reasons.
at THIS point in history, ISLAM is the ONLY religion acting like a spoiled brat all over the globe. ISLAM is very naughty and needs some severe punishment
When terrorists strike at home or abroad, and PC propagandists rush to assure us that jihadist terror doesn't reflect "true," "peaceful" Islam, they're not only wrong, they're dangerous - because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against their mortal enemy.
And not only do self-appointed "experts" lie elaborately and persistently about Islam - they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with historical fantasy designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage - and thus less determined to defend it.
Unless American Muslims stands up and denounce with a very loud and clear voice radical Islam then America will not trust this community. Sometimes the truth hurts Mr. Zakaria, but that doesn't change the fact that it is still the truth.
BTW – Before anyone starts invoking Joe McCarthy, lest we forget: the KGB released all of their secrets after the fall of the Soviet Union and it turned out that EVERYTHING that Joe McCarthy said was true. It was the news media that lied and STILL LIES about this. One must wonder if they are the same traitors today in protecting Islam. The difference CNN et al:
Since the internet, the MSM is not able to control information and what stories to report. You can't cover it up like the MSM did in the 50s.
Lest we not forget the investigations and incarceration of an entire ethnic group, Japanese Americans, later to find no incriminating evidence of subversion, rather acts of patriotism, 442 Combat Reg. It was the German intelligence and their American Bund members involved in anti-american activities. Were any German Americans incarcerated for their religious and ethnic histories? NO Now why was that?
It's time for people around the world to evolve into secular agnostics and atheists. Our selfish fear of death, childish imaginations and the religions they spawn will destroy us faster than anything else. Turn all churches, moques and temples into science and research labs. Agnosticism is simply acknowledging the reality of the world around us and living within it instead of imposing an imagined cultural storytime on it. This canard from Fareed about religious people being the "leaders" of the communities is the most dangerous one of all.
Like that great progressive atheistic regimes like China, Soviet Union, Romania, E. Germany, Cuba, and Burma? You are kidding right. More people have been murdered by atheistic communism that all of the wars combined in the last 2000 years.
Just add up the casualties lists. More people were murdered during Mao's contrived famine than were killed in WW1 and WW2 combined. Look at Pol Pot. Look at atheistic Republican France – you can blame the death toll of the next 20 years of war on that little folly.
Name me one charitable thing an atheist ever did. NONE. They are too busy trying to impose there beliefs on the rest of us.
and yes I misspelled words. I get that way when I see illiterate comments by atheists.
I do charitable things all the time and don't ask tax refund for it. I also don't expect reward from god. Yes, I am atheist.
An yes, you just proved that religion(including Islam) has nothing to do with terrorism. Terrorism has to do with a specific group of people with specific goals and a mindset. As a matter of fact, because religion has no verificational apparatus everyone bends religion to their purpose.
The problem is not how good or bad Islam is. The problem is in the campaign. Campaigns like this are useless for anything but inspiring fear and hate. It's a waste of proverbial tax money.
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WOW what hatread I am seeing here from SOME of my fellow americans who KNOW nothing about Islam. Let me make a quick assessment: None of you ever tried to talk to a muslim have you? If you feel so strong about this religion did you ever talk to anyone atleast. Another observation: None of you has ever travelled to another country especially a Muslim one? only 30% of Americans hold a passport and that number went up from teen because now for Canada and Mexico you need one.
Muslims have their own problems and huge ones and they have to correct it. Did not you see the revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Bahrain and now Saudi Arabia, these are all secular protests about democracy. YOu did not see them prostesting to impose sharia law or supporting Al qaeda did they? What most of you missing is perpective. We are notorious for now knowing about the outside world at all.
And by the way after the persian gulf war there is documented evidence that 500,000 iraqi children died because of lack of medicine the embargo that was put by clinton admistration then. Have a look at our own foreign policies.
Here is another important point" Americans dont do suicide bombings because our Armies are taking care of business. If another coutry bombs us for no reason like we did to iraq, by the way a 1 million iraqi additinoally is dead and you are metioning muslims as the only perpetrators. Come on now. We have a superiority complext that we have done nothing wrong ever even though we are the ones bombing their lands for the past 50 years and for us though it only started after Sept 11. What a shame. We lack perspective. We provided Saddam with chemical weapons which he used against IRAN. did anoyoe of us stood up and said it was wrong. Did the iranians attack us for that?
Everything has to be about us. As Jack Nicolson said in Few good Men" You can't handle the truth".
I respectfully disagree with Mr. Zakaria's view that the concerns about islamic radicalization are based on fear, paranoia or xenophobia. I believe Mr. Zakaria is an intelligent person, but he is being very naive here. Being an immigrant from India he should have a lot of knowledge about how these mosques control the muslim population (if not all, at least a large majority of them) in defying the laws of the land. The so called Imams often give sermons to their fellow religion followers which can be absolutely violative of the laws of the land. For example, using loudspeakers for the daily prayer has been banned by the Supreme Court of India. I know of many places, where this law is blatantly violated. If the law enforcement agencies take action against them, the Imams use the mosque prayer congregations to generate flash mobs, which then attack the law enforcement agencies and non-muslims, which may lead to largescale riots. The law enforcement agencies are not equipped enough to defend themselves from these attacks, leave alone protecting the other non-muslims.
Fundamentally, democracies are ill-equipped to defend themselves against these attacks originating from the fundamentally intolerant nature of the religion of islam. As long as they are a very small minority, their effects are not likely to be felt. But problems will begin, as soon as they grow in size of population.
In order to fully understand the true nature of Islam you MUST read the Qur’an, Sunna and other Islamic literature. These teachings and the root ideals of Islam completely fly in the face of the ideals and laws set out by our founding fathers. As it is written, the end goal is for everyone to submit and convert to Islam or die. Islamic belief, by its own definition, is completely contrary and foreign to any notion of religious freedom.
I find it to be completely ludicrous for Muslims to quote and hide behind certain words of Thomas Jefferson and the declaration of independence and hide behind the words in certain parts of our constitution while their religion not only disregards but completely contradicts other parts of those same documents.
Likewise, they seem to pick and choose which parts of their own religion to believe and adhere to, and pick and choose which parts they say they ignore. Not only are they willing to lie about their beliefs in the name of their religion, it is condoned by their religious writings to further their goals. Their beliefs seem to be ever evolving and changing depending on who they are talking to, many being outwardly moderate in public while holding to radical beliefs behind closed doors and in Mosques. Because of these deceptions, one can never truly know which type you are really dealing with, radical or moderate.
According to the Qur’an and the other Islamic writings the true nature of Islam is detrimental to all other religions. Since the basis of Islam is these writings, which cannot change, Islam can never be tolerant of the religious freedom of others. Since the religious beliefs of others are specifically mentioned and condemned in the Qur’an and other Islamic writings, Islam and other religions cannot and never will coexist peacefully.
If you actually read and understand this material the end goal will be apparent. It cannot be disputed. All non-believers will eventually be converted by force. This is stated over and over in the Qur’an and is the main irreconcilable difference between Islam and other religions. No tolerance and forceful conversion. It is stated in writing and the gist is, convert to Islam or die!
Although I will peacefully tolerate Islam in my community, it will be met with great skepticism and it will not be welcomed at my door.
My views can be summed up in one simple sentence. “Do onto others as you would have them do onto you”. Believe whatever else you want. Just don’t force it on me.
First of all, let me say that Ellison’s so-called emotional spectacle is a perfect example of muslim hypocrisy.
Peter King MUST go on with the hearings!
Isn’t it a wonder that no one has brought up the subject of islams’ three hidden houses?
1. The House of Islam (Dar al Islam). In these regions islam is a majority, it holds political power, and applies Coranic laws (example: Saudi Arabia). Here any criticism of mohammed’s teaching is not tolerated; any other philosophical or religious ideas are absolutely forbidden.
2. The House of war (Dar al Harb). These are regions where islam believes it is strong enough to go after the conquest of power (example: Sudan to the Philippines). In these regions, “holy” war is on a daily agenda whether war has been proclaimed or not.
3. The House of truce (Dar al Sulh). In a region of this type, muslims are too weak. They compromise with the existing powers and observe their laws.
Normally, it is the so-called “moderates” who put themselves in the House of Truce (Dar al Sulh) and it Is the fundamentalists who control the House of war (Dar al Harb).
In the House of Islam (Dar al Islam) it is the imams who keep the unity of the community. The distinction of these three houses makes us completely understand the reason the fundamentalists will have the “moderates” have their say in situations of weakness or defeat.
The word “truce” means a pause in hostilities. For the civilized world it is a pause to allow finding a peaceful solution. For the islamists it is, above all, pause that permit themselves to reorganize in order to conquer. It is sufficient to refer to the history of mohammed to know that he never respected any truce. Great example on what to expect from the openly followers of mohammed who recognize him as the exemplary model!
Read surha XLVII (47), chapter 37.
Europe is the perfect example of the House of Truce (Dar al Sulh). It is the territory that muslims lust after since the 8th century after Charles Martel defeated them at Poitiers. It is a territory that muslims never renounced conquering.
The shock of civilizations exists and does not cease to cause havoc. Denying this fact risks to be called an imbecile. Reality is as it is. It is by admitting it and acting upon it. It is not by making an exception to it and thereby ignoring it.
Pierre:
You said it right!
If I can add, as the Muslim population increases they move up the ladder (the houses). Our own Mr.Fareed Zakaria is contributing MIGHTLY bydeliberately misleading gullible Americans to help in this ascent!!!
Mr. Zakaria has trivialized the problem into just a minor law and order issue. How is it possible that, an well read person like him can ignore the various events related to islamic radicalization happening all around the world, in Uk, Sweden,Canada etc by taking advantage of the soft democratic systems in these countries?
The democratic systems were not built to handle this problem adequately. Some european countries, although late, realized this and some of them are enacting laws to prevent it (e.g. France).
By banning burkas? Yeah, that'll help a bunch.
Dear Pierre Alexes.
Excellently presented very helpful truthful post.
Thank you.
Why couldn't all Afghan girls look like her?
more than 50% of calls to the fbi about terrorism are from muslims. and that has been stated by the fbi.
It's not complicated, folks. We need Muslims to inform ("snitch", if you prefer) on other Muslims (the radical ones planning terrorist attacks). Holding these Muslim-demonizing hearings makes American Muslims less willing to inform on fellow Muslims.
I think this was done to score political points. King could have brought in radical christian groups to give it more balance, but then he would have alienated the majority (his supporters). These hearings had a propaganda motivation
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So many frightend people in the US. An entire industry of "security" and "homeland defense" caters to allaying fears and protecting you from the evil Muslims. Terrorism is a tactic – not a an organized or radicalized religous mandate for the muslims to follow.
Meanwhile, the fear mongers gain momentum from the frightend people and the seeds of suspicion are planted in the cowereing minds that are bomarded by this tripe. In the USA, many more die from motor vehicle accidents, obesity, lack of preventive medical care and a host of other reasons than will ever be caused by the overblown terrorism tactic.
"And we come to regret show trials."
Now, that is a bit of paranoia designed to appeal to the Left and make American Muslims afraid, and nothing else. For political purposes, of course.
religion is a disease and mental disorder
the hearings are provocative and useless
Please Good, stop sending Earthquakes and Tsunamis to the wrong places.
I beg You, just send one (a really BIG) one, to wipe out the muslims and the jews!
What a wonderful world I long for....
What a wonderful word...
Peace... at last... at last...
If you remove 'ypu' from your last name, you become – Peter Pan
And then no one would mind your rants.
Please God, stop sending Earthquakes and Tsunamis to the wrong places.
I beg You, just send one (a really BIG) one, to wipe out the muslims and the jews!
What a wonderful world I long for....
What a wonderful word...
Peace... at last... at last...
When will they have a hearng on why jobs were outsourced and are they ever coming back to USA. If not what should educated people like me who have huge mortages, kids' college loans and who have not been able to find jobs commensuarate with their education and experience do?
Yet again.............True to his well established credentials as a great ISLAMIC APOLOGIST Mr. Fareed Zakaria makes a DELIBERATELY AMBIVALENT statement urging Muslims to let law enforcement probe terror, rather than CLEARLY URGING them to cooperate by answering law enforcement’s questions without hiding behind first amendment rights & religious freedoms.
And yet again.....Mr. Zakaria refers to some DUBIOUS study to showcase that Mosques are actually a positive influence in American communities contrary to FBI's own findings (in line with King’s assertion) that over 80% of American Mosques preach some form of religious hate. In fact all other well recognized studies at best refuse to comment on that aspect knowing fully well what the response will be.
In short Mr. Zakaria NEVER tires of showcasing the soft side of Islam when most Americans are yet to see one!
Amit-Atlanta-USA
Fareed Zakaria is journalist. No need for him to present 'soft' side Islam. He should present it as is, which he did.
Joseph McCarthy –> Peter King. We never really learn from history, do we?
This is the most spineless and irresponsible position I have ever heard of. I suppose we are just supposed to stick our heads in the sand and wait for the FBI to tell us what's going on in this country ! I am glad King is kicking some PC butt and having the courage to address tough issues. Since when is it wrong to publicly ask questions that are on everyone's mind !? We've had somali-american boys get radicalized and then head to Somalia and get themselves killed for crying out loud. Maybe if Americans showed a little courage in discussing these issue in their own country, american muslims would gain the courage and insight to better recognize the sham of radical islamic ideas.
From the time of Abraham, religious leaders have resorted to terror in the name of God who does not even exist. Look all aroud the world, Mulsims do not have loyalty to their countr, same like another religion to be left unnamed. They fabricate the story of this Muslim brotherhood in the name of a God who does not exist. Same can be said about any religions with radical beliefs. But the difference between them and Muslims is that the radical Muslims fantacize about dying and killing for God. The moderate Muslims unfortunately get the blunt of unfair criticism. But they too want to isolate themselves from western culture and do not want to integrate. USA should stop subsidizing all religions, mosques, Islamic schools, hebrew schools, churches and temples using tax money. Islam is the weapon of mass destruction that controls people's mind, disrespects women.
islam in intolerant of other peoples views....it is evil.....only religion on earth which advocates violence.we indians live in their dangerous extremist shadow......ban islam
Go open your own Bhagavath Gita,. see how many times Lord Krishna advocates killing of enemy in Maha Bharath.
Go look at the the pictures of Hindu Gods on your walls at home and try to find any God who doesn't have weapons in hand. Put your brain to work – Like any other religion Islam advocate a 'just' resolution by force to end the evil.
For which Islam is not exception. Turn the pages of Ramayan, Bible and Tohra and see many times killing and violence has taken place.
Its the Bhagvad (not Bhagvath) Gita – literally meaning the song of the Gods. To claim that Krishna advocates killing in it, without any context is like ranting over a word picked randomly from a sentence. (I thought we had done a better job of raising you Junior!)
If you would read it completely – even if trying to find flaws in it – you might find that its the most succinct and good philosophy of life without espousing the religion – Hinduism – it stems from.
Really Fareed. With grass root revolutions going on across the middle east and apocalypse scale disasters in Japan, you choose instead to stir the pot with fear of Islamic prejudice? I would have thought you could have had better and more insightful take aways of such historically significant events.
Fareed Zakaria,
As a journalist as you claim to be, when you refer to a member of Congress, the decent manner to address him/her is, for example: Rep. Peter King (R-New York). But of course, since you apply you open agenda to spread the murderous ideology called Islam, you call him “Peter King,” as if he were a simple civilian citizen instead of calling him b what he is–an honorable member of Congress. You downgrade and downplay names and titles of people in an attempt to minimize their authority and the importance of ridding the USA from Islam and its terrorists.
As a member of Congress, Rep. Peter King (R-New York) or any other member of it, has the right to request to hold a hearing about anything affecting the USA. Therefore, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, and local law enforcement – are not the only and excusive agencies that can hold such hearing on radicalization by Islamists. Even the poorest US civilian citizen can request Congress to have hearing about an important matter.
You have proven time after time that you are biased in favor of the Islamic ideology; Islam is a declaration of war against Israel, the USA and all other countries that are still free from the oppression of such ideology.
Fareed, I think you are doing a job similar to an Al Qaeda/Islamic undercover agent infiltrated in CNN; it is part of the Islamic agenda to infiltrate every level of American society in order to spread Islam in the USA. So keep writing and talking because the more you do it, the more you show what you though it was you Islamic hidden agenda.
Jose you have issues. Go and learn about Islam from a Muslim Imam. You have clearly been brainwashed by what you see on tv.
José M. Pulido
Tired of Idiots: If you are tired of idiots, you must be very tired of your own self, ha ha ha.
Oh, really!. How many times FOX NEW's Shawn Kennedy and Bill O'reilly called President Obama as Barack Obama.
Secretary Hillary Clinton – Hillary?
It is because what can you expect from a former construction worked Sean Insannity? Nothing wrong with being a construction worker but Sean is a brute and stupid idiot with no formal education in the field of communication and politics. Nevertheles he talks as if he had a master's degree and Ph. D in political Science; if he had any formal and professional education and respect, he would also know how to address members of Congress. And the same applies to Drug addict Rush Limbaugh; therefore, "Wake up" yourself my friend. By the way I have a Bachelor of Art (B.A.) in Communication from UTPA.
Your opening line "what can you expect from a former construction worked (sic)" says everything needed about you, your biases and way of thinking. That is not to absolve Hannity,Sean for what he does, but puts you right alongside him.
Religions are self proclaimed school of thoughts. None of the religion did any thing for the good humanity.
All of them have violent backgrounds, no matter Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Sikh or Buddhism.
Dump all of them. If you are not good to fellow humans, I flush your religions in the toilet.
Try to be a good human first before you preach anything to fellow human being.
Peter King is a bigot and a racist. He has made religious bigoted statements several times since 9/11. He is holding these hearings not to learn or understand the radicalization of American Muslims instead he has an ulterior motive of presenting the religion of Islam in a negative light. That is purely his reasons and goal for holding these hearings.. The man is twisted in his thinking ability. American Muslims should confront him in a debate and show how the man is without any intellect and is a bigot. Just review the religious racist statements he has made without any knowledge or understanding about the Islam or Koran. There has never been hearings of such nature about any one specific religion in the US congress history. Shame on the GOP congress allowing this sham to go on in our nation of religious freedom. Muslim Americans have the same rights under the constitution as Peter King or any other American. The few Muslims that are committing crimes or terrorist attack should be punished by our law enforcements and courts. Most of the Muslim Americans are helping our law enforcements in finding the criminals. Shame on you Peter King.
In fact the US Congree should immediately pass new laws to ban Islam in the USA. Islam is not a believer friendly religion. If one victim of Islam leaves such mafia, he or she must be killed by other members of Islam. Isn't that what notorious gangs do to deserters? Therefore, Islam is no diffeternt than a gang so it shuld be legally labeled as such.
Jesus Christ is the answer for humankind to reach His father God, Jehovah. Mohammed was a regular human being, a pedophile, a child molester; he even had sex with the corpse of his dead mother in order allegedly decrease her punishment in hell for rejecting Islam. Is this the Islamists role model? Why do you settle for such a depraved sex maniac? Jesus, there Is no need for more false stand up prophets like Mohamed the Molester. Salvation through Jesus Christ is for every one, including for the ones who have been deceived and brainwashed by Islamic gurus. In the name of common sense, dos anyone think that God Himself would deal with a child molester and necrophilia 600 year after He sent His own Son to save the world? God would not confuse humankind by dealing with child molester Mohammed.
So guys, really, don’t feel bad if you have been deceived by Islam and its ideology; use your own mind by reading what Jesus said to humankind and not what Mohammed and its modern cronies say.
Maybe we should be having hearings about this guy....sheesh.
Zakarai has deep Muslim roots and his articles are not to be trusted. if anything Zakarai is America's Al AJazeera. Watch out!
That's right Vijasimh. I could not have described Mr. Zakaria's hidden agenda better than you did. May God spare the U.S.A. from Islamic totalitarian oppression.
Al Jazeera is actually a pretty good network. Have you ever watched it?
lol wow, so just b'c he does nto agree with you he cannot be trusted.
Fareed Zakara, Ask yourself why was the only christian parliament member, Bhatti in Pakistan killed by Islamists. We all know there is a ideology of elimination of other religions, that rus powerful within Islam. Its high time we all acknowledged it publicly and shine the light on it. The islamists sure dont mind chopping everyone else's heads off. No more can we stnd by and let this violence go unchallenged.
Quit your bias, and remove your blinders
Dear ALAN.
Additonal questions for FAREED ZAKARIA to ask of himself:
Just why NO DEATH FATWA had ever been issued by any FATWA issuing authority in ANY MUSLIM-MAJORITYcountry in this world with, needless to say, NO DEATH FATWA having ever carried out – against MUSLIM terrorist(s) or non-terrorist(s), for having murdered Jews or Christians for being Jews or Christians, in such MUSLIM-MAJORITY countries?
Why indeed, especially when DEATH FATWA issuing authorities in MUSLIM-MAJORITY countries had always, without fail, been very quick to issue FATWAS calling for the execution of Jew(s) or Christians(s) they (the MUSLIM & the FATWA issuing authorities) accused (with or without basis) of having murdered MUSLIMS?
The accurate and truthful answer to the above questions, by asking this question:
Would any FATWA issuing authority dare to disobey what are very clearly taught by Islam's author-controller, in his Quran – for MUSLIMS to do against Jews and Christians?
Therefore, this UNDENIABLE TRUTH:
MUSLIMS or NON-MUSLIMS who mew that "Islam is a peaceful and non-murderous holy religion from Holy True God/Holy True Allah", can ONLY be either DANGEROUSLY IGNORANT of the KEY LIES in true-Islam – OR are DANGEROUS DECEIVERS who are committed to DECEIVING every person they can DECEIVE with (their FOUR EVIL LIES in) their statement of "Islam being a (LIE NO. 1) peaceful and (LIE NO. 2) non-murderous (LIE NO. 3) holy religion from (LIE NO.4) Holy True God/Holy True Allah"
Readers who disagree are cordially invited to demand that truthandtruthonly furnishes concrete proof, FROM THE QURAN, to substantiate the above. .
In fact, the U.S. Congress should immediately pass new laws to ban Islam in the USA. Islam is not a believer friendly religion. If one victim of Islam leaves such mafia, he or she must be killed by other members of Islam. Isn't that what notorious gangs do to deserters? Therefore, Islam is no different than a gang so it should be legally labeled as such.
Excellent reason to have these hearings:
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-03-10/opinion/bennett.king.hearing_1_radicalization-hearings-american-muslims?_s=PM:OPINION
and a good insight into Islam, the so called religion of peace:
http://www.faithfreedom.org
The US is home to radical Islamic preachers, they do inspire acts of terrorism and they do need to be weeded out. This is not to say that the majority of Muslims are radical. This is precisely why we need hearings. To understand how these people work, how they can be found and ultimately who and how the FBI needs to target with without persecuting innocent people. Also we need to put an end to all the CAIR bullshit.
Islam is not just a religion, it is a way of life with political and military aspects. There is no Seperation of Powers in Islam.
Bigotry, animosity, and ignorance seem to be common threads that define radical extremists from all faiths and political persuasions. They are also common threads for a lot of the posts I'm reading on here.
Trust Fareed to sing the usual song about islamophobia...the Muslimss have been doing it for around 1400 years. We all know too well that Muslim's are obliged to hate and subjugate all non-muslims that do not convert. It is clearly stated in their vile Koran, which comes straight from Allah and can not be changed. CNN has the right team to continue feeding us the same old lies...might as well all convert and start killing infidels. The current turmoil in the Arab world will jjust make it worse..they have NO CLUE or interest in democracy and are taught to submit nol to think.
THis guy is making my point. Bigotry, animosity, ignorance.
Is this the beginning of a purge? Would there be more guantanamos set up like concentration camps in the Nazi-Germany?
Dear J. VON HEETLINGEN, FAREED ZAKARIA, AND READERS.
The author-controller of true-Islam, his true-Islam, his Quran and his true-Muslims do all MOST VEHEMENTLY INSIST that he is ALSO the author-controller of Holy True God's/Holy True Allah's Christian faith and the Christian faith's Bible.
Below is just one of the more than enough giveaway passages, in the Quran, proving most conclusively the truth that the author-controller of true-Islam is warring against Holy True God/Holy True Allah, God-wannabe/Allah-wannabe, imposter-God/imposter-Allah, (extortion/protection money scheming/extracting) GANGSTER Satan – DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSITE to Holy True God/Holy True Allah, the author-controller of the Bible and the Christian faith.
(Hilali-Khan) Quran 9:29, "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Muslims (and non-Muslim apologists for Islam) who had, elsewhere, sought to justify the above verse as an instruction which supposedly Allah had given to Muhammad and Muslims (to punish the then non-Muslims in Mecca who not only broke their treaty with, but also most treacherously attacked Muhammad and his Muslims) – are cordially invited to try their luck again, in this forum.
80-90% and it"s questionable, bur on the same token it was 100% muslim who committted terorist acts upon the United States.....just food for thought
Instead of ad-hominem attacks on Peter King, why not wait and watch how his hearings proceed. As an elected representative of people – in his mind he is doing his duty by holding these hearings.
There is a good chance that some good might come out of this. With a glaring media spotlight and consequent public attention, Rep. King is more likely to stay off demagoguery. And for a lot of people, who are fed nothing but opinions from the left (All Muslims are peaceful) or Right (All muslims are terrorists) – the hearings, if done right, can bring out a true picture of Islam in America. A bit of sunshine might do everybody good by countering misconceptions.
Zakaria is a muslim and therefore a deffender of the undeffensable,ie, islam itself. Kings hearings are hiting the jackpot and clearly showing that islam is behind terrorism, denial, curruption of our political and economical system that has already capitulated to the barbaric xenophobic and fascist sharia law. the leftlist loby as usual, lobbyes behinf islamofascism and the media play along, with CNN joining the ranks. This article is manipulative, foolish, deceptive and without any merit or credibility.
Dear Mr Fareed Zakaria & readers.
Any however millions (or billions) of manhours of studies, hearings & etc by however many "expert" specialists, professionals & agencies – MINUS accurate public identifying of the originator-author-controller of the whichever Islam & the Quran which the Al-Qaedas, etc will fight to the death, PLUS NOT getting the pro-Al Qaedas Muslim scholars to publicly debate the professing anti-Al Qaedas Muslim scholars (debates, which can be very easily ensured) – must & will ONLY result in the Al-Qaedas to continue to thrive & to secure even more eager Muslim recruits joining them to fight and to die for their Islam, undefeated.
Because of this FACT & TRUTH: Muslims ARE VERY LARGELY MORE INCLINED to believe what they hear, read & see about Islam from Muslim & to reject what they hear, read & see about Islam from non-Muslims.
Repeating: Muslims-Muslims PUBLIC debates, to accurately expose/identify the author-controller of the "Al-Qaedas' Islam", is critical & can be very easily ensured, despite all stacles & threats the Al-Qaedas & the regular Muslims will resort to, so as to prevent such debates from taking place.
From what I read above, I see all religions have one thing in common. Can you see it, too?
(You don't need to be very bright to understand what I'm saying; you just need an IQ score like GWBush's, around 79 – hahaha)
Christians = Murderers, Terrorists, Pawns
Muslims = Murderers, Terrorists, Pawns
Jews = Murderers, Terrorists, Pawns
Hindus = Murderers, Terrorists, Pawns
Whatever religion you belong to = Murderers, Terrorists, Pawns
Two simple questions: How many gods are there in this f. Universe? Is it a Multi-God Universe?
Do you really think anyone reads all the posts here
It seems we both do.
Anyway, when someone doesn't have any real answer to a question, he usually resorts to deceptive tactics like, for example, keeping answering questions with more questions. A fan of Fox News, maybe? hahahah
You are far more likely to be killed in America by a gang member, a right wing nut job, a Christian religious fanatic or a family member then a radical Moslem.
WAKE UP AMERICA – When terrorists strike at home or abroad, and PC propagandists rush to assure us that jihadist terror doesn't reflect "true," "peaceful" Islam, they're not only wrong, they're dangerous - because they lull America and the West into letting their guard down against their mortal enemy.
And not only do self-appointed "experts" lie elaborately and persistently about Islam - they have also replaced the truth about Christian Europe and the Crusades with historical fantasy designed to make you ashamed of your own culture and heritage - and thus less determined to defend it. IMPEACH OBAMA NOW
kATY hill..only islam deffends murder, rape, torture, violence, abuse, bestiality and blind satanic hatred. No other religion deffends and practices that withg chants of "allah u akhbar". I am afraid you are a complete idiot, likle fareed zakaria is, and a useful idiot to the cause of islamofascism that King is trying to expose and stop!
A lesson for all currupt, bankrupt PC Leftists and useful idiots-THIS IS REAL ISLAM:
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
(Tabari IX:69) “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
(Tabari VIII:141) “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’
(Ishaq:489) “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”
(Qur'an 5:33) "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and perpetrate mischief [reject Islam or oppose its goals]
in the land, is to murder them, to hang them, to mutilate them, or banish them. Such is their disgrace. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly."
“Allah is the best of schemers.” —Quran 3:54
“War is deceit.” —Muhammad; Hadith, Bukhari 52:268; Narrated Abu Huraira
Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious
wars. 74
Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So
fight the minions of the devil. 76
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you
find them. 89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you
find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering
peace in Islam means surrendering,ie, converting to islam "peacefully" after receiving the "invitation" or by force, under the threat of violence and death, or accepting dhimminitude/slave condition but ONLY for jews and chrisitans.Islam condemns to utter destruction all the other religions by all means necessary).
It is important to know that the Koran is not laid out in chronological order,
but in the length of the chapters (Suras). Sura 9:5 came well after the peaceful
Sura (above) and states “When the sacred months have passed, kill the idolaters
where ever you find them.” Another Sura, 47:4 says: “When you encounter the
unbelievers, Strike off their heads. Until you have made a wide slaughter among
them tie up the remaining captives.” Verses that come later in the Koran
abrogate all prior verses. So then, Sura 9:5 was written near the end of the
prophet’s life and abrogates all the peaceful verses. Islamic apologists would
have you believe Islam is a religion of peace, but the Koran says otherwise.
MuhamMAD was an illiterate,A MASS-MURDERER, a terrorist, a war criminal, a child molestor,
a rapist, a fascist, an imperialist, a liar, a thief, a slave trader and he was so
uncreative that he had to steal the history and material of the Bible,
other Christian and Jewish sources and changed the stories and classified
the original religions as frauds.
This is FINAL ab-rogating islam , that made useless the deceptive first nice tolerant versicles, that were totally destroyed by these ultra-violent ones:
“The Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.” —Quran 4:101
MUHAMMAD WAS A RUTHLESS SATANIC TOTALITARIAN WARLORD CONQUEROR:
8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and
polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion
(worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if
they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is
All-Seer of what they do.
Qur'an 48:29: "Muhammad is allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."
Qur'an:9:123 "Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you."
Qur'an:8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"
Qur'an:8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam."
Mo's alternative words:
Qur’an 9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”
Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:111 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Ishaq:324 “Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must not have rivals.”
Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding
Come on fareed?!..why don't you put islam into its real context and ruthlessly insane bloodstained history:
Non-political Islam is religious Islam. Religious Islam is what a Muslim
does to avoid Hell and go to Paradise. These are the Five Pillars—prayer,
charity to Muslims, pilgrimage to Mecca, fasting and declaring Mohammed to be
the final prophet.
But the Trilogy is clear about the doctrine. At least 75% of the Sira (life of
Mohammed) is about jihad. About 67% of the Koran written in Mecca is about the
unbelievers, or politics. Of the Koran of Medina, 51% is devoted to the
unbelievers. About 20% of Bukhari’s Hadith is about jihad and politics. Religion
is the smallest part of Islamic foundational texts.
Political Islam’s most famous duality is the division of the world into
believers, dar al Islam, and unbelievers, dar al harb. The largest part of the
Trilogy relates to treatment of the unbelievers, kafirs. Even Hell is political.
There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are
there for moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for
being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a
political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a political prison for those who speak
against Islam.
Mohammed preached his religion for 13 years and garnered only 150 followers. But
when he turned to politics and war, in 10 years time he became the first ruler
of Arabia by averaging an event of violence every 7 weeks for 9 years. His
success did not come as a religious leader, but as a political leader.
In short, political Islam defines how the unbelievers are to be dealt with and
treated.
The history of political Islam starts with Mohammed’s immigration to
Medina. From that point on, Islam’s appeal to the world has always had the
dualistic option of joining a glorious religion or being the subject of
political pressure and violence. After the immigration to Medina, Islam became
violent when persuasion failed. Jihad entered the world.
After Mohammed’s death, Abu Bakr, the second caliph, settled the theological
arguments of those who wished to leave Islam with the political action of death
by the sword. The jihad of Umar (the second caliph, a pope-king) exploded into
the world of the unbelievers.
Jihad destroyed a Christian Middle East and a
Christian North Africa. Soon it was the fate of the Persian Zoroastrian and the
Hindu to be the victims of jihad.
The history of political Islam is the
destruction of Christianity in the Middle East, Egypt, Turkey and North Africa.
Half of Christianity was lost. Before Islam, North Africa was the southern part
of Europe (part of the Roman Empire).
Around 60 million Christians were
slaughtered during the jihadic conquest.
Half of the glorious Hindu civilization was annihilated and 80 million Hindus
killed.
The first Western Buddhists were the Greeks descended from Alexander the Great’s
army in what is now Afghanistan. Jihad destroyed all of Buddhism along the silk
route. About 10 million Buddhists died. The conquest of Buddhism is the
practical result of pacifism.
Zoarasterianism was eliminated from Persia.
The Jews became permanent dhimmis throughout Islam.
In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400
years of jihad.
Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the
glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in
any school.
It is unfortunate but fear is a great motivator, driver of action. In this case I sort of understand the source of the fear. I was within 2 blocks of the WTC during both attacks. I recently saw a mosque built in a Jewish neighbohood (where I live even though I'm not Jewish), and my Muslim Turkish friends tell me the initial funding came from a man with radical leanings, as did much of the funding behind many of the Mosques/centers built on Long Island in the last 10 or 15 years. My Turkish friends are fearful that their home country will lose its secular foundation, and they do not want to have to deal with that element over hear. They want "separation of Mosque and State" and do not want the radical element to gain any political influence here. Back to the topic: I couldn't help but notice the ties between the Terrorists here and some local Mosque. But whether they driven via the Qura'nic and Hadith verses which condone violence either by command, or some reward in heaven, or some verbal teaching by a local Imam, we need to bring to light that whatever they learn or teach in these Mosques, it appears they need to be made aware that if they want to live here, they must obey the laws of the land. If you commit a crime here, the judge is not going to listen excuses like "God told me to" or "I got my instructions from a book". Case in point the Muslim TV exec who was given 25 years to life for beheading his wife (for filing for divorce). The Quran encourages a man to beat his wife even to the point of death, for speaking in a high handed manner, so no doubt he thought he was doing GOd's will, not committing a gruesome crime. The irony here is that the purpose of the TV show he started was to eliminate Muslim stereotypes. I don't believe in fear mongering, but there is a huge communication gap and culture clash going on here. What they consider an honor killing is a capital crime in this country. We need more communication and if that is the result of these hearings then the serve a purpose that the FBI can not.
King embarasses me.
u igmorant jewtzies.
all the semite jews are arabs, the rest 80% r central and eastern europian whites.can u say Khazar,
when moses retrieved y'all from pharoh's hands,u were nothing but slaves for hire,as u r still.
so most of the jews are africans by birth and location. u do aknowlidge that fact i hope. and yes, your promised land is saini,not the land of the philistines(palistine) nor the canninites,northen parts.
so on so many parts.the holy land belongs to all, not the moslims,christians or jews. just the facts.
we as americans r done with our blind support of the zionist agenda, if u dont like it,go to israel,u have yr dream homeland,why r u still in america. peter king is an agent of mosad/aipac. and both must be considered an enemy of the republic. and take all of them jews u broght in since the fall of cummunisim. 12 million russian jews r on our welfare payrolls. i was reading the immigration laws, there is actually a provision that allows any jew from anywhere to become a usa citizen, just because of their religion, that sux, i would rather see tibitian monks and not a single jew anymore.
usa usa usa, deport all the semites away,moslim and jew. peace and shalom
Well said! Well said!
Out with all the maggots and bloodsuckers crippling this great country, no matter the denomination.
They must go back to the holes and huts they came from.
We must stop being stupid!
We must stop paying for these bloodsuckers's wars.
Islam is religious fascism. There will never be peace between Muslims and the rest of the world.
If they are this upset over a congressional hearing, just imagine how angry they'd be if someone drew a cartoon.
Put a muslim, a jew, a christian and a really crazy guy together. Of one thing you can be sure. At least 3 of the 4 base their lives on things which aren't true.
BJ ask and you shall receive and open your heart. I have no doubt of another existance for I have asked and I have recieved. No matter what you want to call him he is there and he cares less how you believe just as long as you believe.
>>>Also we need to put an end to all the CAIR bullshit.
And all the AIPAC bullshit too! Get them off the continent.
I as Christian from Pakistan was born among Muslims and grew among them and learnt every bit of what they had to offer. Christians and Muslims lived very peacefully together back in the 70's. Its only in the last 3 decades radical Islam emerged and the hate for America has globally effected every continent that took side with the Americans. This hate
right now has deeply destroyed lively hood of the Christians as minorities in Muslim countries. Its sad to see this but from the world I come, if your not a Muslim you will be treated with unjust. Blasphemy law is often used against non Muslims for revenge or for capital gains. There is worst going on in Muslim countries, just because the Media has its limitations you don’t hear the cries from the injustice being done to non Muslims.
I think Americans have every right know what’s lies in their backyard to protect themselves, given the facts from American born citizens going against their own. America should stop immigration of migrants of Muslims from Radical countries.
There are a lot of Muslims that are peace abiding citizens, but history proves that then can turn on you in a second when it comes to religion. I have seen it with my own eyes!
Jorge: you hit the nail right on the head!
The reason we have not had another Al-Queda attack recently has nothing to do with our own Muslim population, or any government agency tasked with preventing them. The real reason we have not seen another attack recently is because terrorism is a part time gig. It has been almost ten years, and we are still scared out of our wits. They haven't had to attack us, because we are still freaking out about the last one. It is like the music industry, you don't release your next single until the last one has finally fallen off of the charts.
There have been plots to bomb American citizens but they were foiled before they could happen. Some were stopped at the start in Pakistan and one was the Pakistani with his Nissan path Finder near Times Square. They are trying but the Feds and Govt Agencies have been very vigilant with their investigations.
SD: You said it right! Also someone else here remarked that Mr. Zakaria is well informed etc. As the saying goes "the pen is mightier than the sword". That's why it's all the more impt., when it comes from a Yale Grad, perched on top a well respected liberal media organization. Unlike most of the folks on CNN, ABC, NBC, Mr. Fareed Zakaria is NOT a liberal but an Islamic appeaser, and an apologist. The crucial difference is NOT merely religious freedoms which everyone in America enjoys and which is what all liberals demand, but a BASIC LACK OF SENSITIVITY in demanding to exercise those freedoms, all the more so when those freedoms impinge on other groups, security of the country, work place decorum etc.
Amit-Atlanta-USA
Peter King had photo opps with Gerry Adams, but if you ask the IRA or northern paramilitary groups who brought about the peace accords, I guarantee his name never makes the list. He's a typical politician taking a bow for something he had nothing to do with.
Sadly some good decent people remain silent and suffer for their silence. If ignorance is the root of the hearings then it's the Muslim communities duty to be open and communicate what they as a community are doing to help expose terrorism.By being xenophobic themselves they are contibuting to the need of these hearings.
The idiots of Westboro have been brought out as a defense for the Islamaic Communities failure to act in a reasonable manner and help in the war on Radical Islamist. Lets be clear the Idiots of Westboro are an insult to humanity and one has to hope that a Kool Aid party will be held soon for all such Nuts.To use such an abnomation of mankind for justifaction to help terrorism to grow is a sin.No Christian orgnization claims any ties with these pigs but as a Christian I want these pigs locked up and would help in any way needed and that seems like the difference between Christians and Muslims we are more than willing to expose and rid our community of such Vermin whereas the Muslim Community chooses to hide,protect and remain silent.
SPEAKING OUT by claiming to be non-cancerous Muslims against cancer-Muslims IS NOT ENOUGH.
Claiming to be non-cancerous Muslims MUST BE ALSO SEEN through the secular courts or the Shariah courts of their preference- expose, identify, and (via radiation bombardment, scapel, kitchen knife, hangman's noose, electrocution, garrotting) PUBLICLY kill off such cancers with, if necessary, the "incurables" guarantined until they expire or are culled and incinerated.
Totally just and needful for non-Muslims to keep claiming to be non-cancerous Muslims (who are not seen to be doing the above) under constant surveillence – to ensure that they are are not covert carriers of true-Islam's evil gangster author-controller's cancerous spirit, waiting for the right time to strike.
Your Right olddawg!
Jose M.Pulido:
You are on the dot on my former countryman (Indian) Mr. Fareed Zakaria. I have been following him very closely and while he PRETENDS to be greatly in love with America he never loses an opportunity to trash America and the great American people (very discretely though!) every time he discusses US policies against Islamic countries. In line with the Muslim ummah, he supports Islamists everywhere. The reason many people don't see through his agenda is b'coz Mr. Zakaria has MASTERED the art of making some broad sweeping statements (filled with truth, and HALF Truths), and builds his story by CHERRY PICKING facts, or referencing some dubious studies or even some studies by known America haters (e.g. Prof. Fawaz Gerges of the London School of Economics) who have infilterated leading western institutions, thanks to liberal funding from Islamic countries! So, once he has captured the mind of the GULLIBLE reader, he goes about his agenda of selling Islam, and trashing America &Americans. So to understand what Mr. Zakaria is saying YOU MUST pay SPECIAL ATTENTION to NOT ONLY see what he is saying, but more importantly WHAT HE DOES NOT SAY AT ALL! In fact the very first time I commented on his story (Newsweek "Beyond Bush" June 11th, 2007) there were over 800 responses praising him as a great patriot, while I WAS THE LONE CRITIC. In fact I was a little scared that I may have been wrong!. But immediately thereafter it became clear to me, and am toady 1000% sure about his Islamic agenda! So my opposition to him is based on SPECIFICS. In fact I have commented in great detail on several stories Mr. Zakaria had on Time dot com, notably "How Democracy can work in the Middle East” Time Feb 3rd 2011 “How Russia created its own Islamic TERRORISM problem”, Jan 27th, 2011, "Are America's Best Days Behind us?" March 3rd 2011 to see all my comments. Be sure to click on "More" at the bottom to see all my comments.
Amit-Atlanta-USA
a) Mr. Zakaria’s Newsweek’s story title: “Learning to live with radical Islam” – the story title itself is mischievous as there is just NO NEED for Americans to pander to radicalism in any religion.
b) In his above story Mr. Zakaria’s pays glowing tributes to the father of the Nigerian would be bomber, and the parents of the Pakistanis of the VA five (who went to Pakistan to join the Jihad against America) for TIPPING OFF the FBI about their children’s activities. While that is a fact, what he DELIBERATELY did not say was that these boys had already made MARTYRDOM VIDEOS and the one & only alternative left for the parents to see their son’s alive was to inform the FBI!
Here's what he says: "But consider: the most important moderates to denounce militants have been the families of radicals. In the case of both the five young American Muslims from Virginia arrested in Pakistan last year and Christmas bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, parents were the ones to report their worries about their own children to the U.S. government—an act SO STUNNING that it requires far more examination, and praise, than it has gotten.”
c) Again in the above story he downplays the support for suicide bombings amongst Muslims worldwide and makes AN ASTOUNDING CLAIM that AMERICANS THEMSELVES ARE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF VIOLENCE by CAREFULLY referencing a mischievous study which COMBINES SUICIDE BOMBINGS WITH AMERICA’s MILITARY BOMBINGS!!!!!!!
Here's what he says: "The shift has been especially dramatic in Jordan, where only 12 percent of Jordanians view suicide attacks as "often or sometimes justified" (down from 57 percent in 2005). In Indonesia, 85 percent of respondents agree that terrorist attacks are "rarely/never justified" (in 2002, by contrast, only 70 percent opposed such attacks). In Pakistan, that figure is 90 percent, up from 43 percent in 2002. Gerges points out that, by comparison, ONLY 46 percent of AMERICANS say that "bombing and other attacks intentionally aimed at civilians" are "NEVER JUSTIFIED," while 24 percent believe these attacks are "often or sometimes justified."
d) Mr. Zakaria said: (With respect to Muslim support for suicide bombings)
“The data on public opinion in the Muslim world are now overwhelming. London School of Economics professor Fawaz Gerges has analyzed polls from dozens of Muslim countries over the past few years. He notes that in a range of places—Jordan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Lebanon, and Bangladesh—there have been substantial declines in the number of people who say suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets can be justified to defend Islam. Wide majorities say such attacks are, at most, RARELY acceptable.”
What Mr. Zakaria deliberately ignores: He does NOT question the validity of the finding “Suicide bombing against CIVILIANS are RARELY ACCEPTABLE, meaning a substantial minority (?) still believe suicide bombings against CIVILIANS are INDEED justified.
Specifically, Mr. Zakaria deliberately downplays the numbers game DISREGARDING the fact that 15-20 percentage points makes a huge number of Islamic sympathizers (running into 100’s of thousands even amongst Muslims in America) given that barely 11 hijackers caused so much havoc on 9/11.
The list goes on & on & on……
Amit-Atlanta-USA
Thanks for the information Amit-Atlanta, I appreciate it.
ANYONE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING HOW ISLAMISTS SPREAD LIES (especially to a non-Muslim) you must watch "BILL MAHER TAKES ON ISLAM" on You Tube. It's both hilarious and very true. Mr. Zakaria is not very different!!!!!!!!!
Amit-Atlanta-USA
Please watch "BILL MAHER ON ISLAM Vs.OTHER RELIGIONS" – on You Tube. While it's absolutely hilarious it's filled with a lot of truth. Wish Mr. Zakaria watches too......surely a lot to learn, if he already didn't know!!!!!!!!!!.
Amit-Atlanta-USA
(15MAR11)
I hope our Japanese allies are able to quicky repair the damages on nuclear plants that were affected by the earthqueake and Tsunami.
This situation makes one think about Islamc terroristsm in the USA near nuclear plants. The U.S> congress should pass laws to prohibit the bulding of Islamic-terrorist sleeper cell mosques within a 200 mile radius of an American nuclear plant.
The same goes for residences: No Muslim should be able to like within 200 miles distance from an American nuclear plant.
An no Muslim, even if he is American born, sholud even be allowed to work in any American nuclear plant.
In a given moment, Islamics/Muslims could strike an American nuclear plant; and this information is not discrimination, it is prevention. Time after time we have dealt with Muslims whom we thought they were our friends and allies but they turned out to be traitors and cowardss; we cannot trust them, it is a simple as that.
And on the second front, Raymond Davis is still being held in Pakistan and the muslim gov't, in an effort to force Sharia Law upon the United States, may require "blood money" to release Ray. Maybe we move the theater over one seat......
Is this what we want, look what they advise us; Try Sharia Law in Arizona to clean your state from drug dealers and criminals. Implement Sharia in Arizona against Latin Drug dealers apply stoning to dead and against Illegal migrant just lashing and thieves cut their hands and show it on TV.....
http://www.sharia4america.com/story.php?sid=36
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