Editor's Note: Dr. James Lindsay is a Senior Vice President at the Council on Foreign Relations (where he blogs), co-author of "America Unbound: The Bush Revolution in Foreign Policy" and a former director for global issues and multilateral affairs at the National Security Council.
By Dr. James Lindsay – Special to CNN
The Libyan rebels’ once bright prospects for ousting Moammar Gadhafi now appear grim. Pro-Gadhafi forces have the momentum, and one of Col. Gadhafi’s sons boasted that the revolt will be crushed “in 48 hours.”
With a battle for the rebel stronghold of Benghazi looming, President Obama must now confront a question that was unthinkable two weeks ago: How should he deal with a post-rebellion Gadhafi?
The answer is complicated by the fact that no one knows how the Libyan crisis will play out. Rebel forces may hold Benghazi and other critical towns in eastern Libya.
The Obama administration, looking at a rout of the rebels and spurred by the Arab League’s call for imposing a no-fly zone, now intends to ask the U.N. Security Council to authorize international military efforts to halt pro-Gadhafi forces.
The Security Council may not grant the administration its wish. Russia and China have resisted imposing a no-fly zone. They presumably will oppose authorizing air strikes against Libyan tanks and artillery.
Yet even if Russia and China stand aside at the Security Council, and outside military intervention occurs and succeeds in preserving the rebels’ position, the challenge of how to deal with a post-revolt Gadhafi will remain. He will control much of the country, including major oil production and exporting facilities. The Obama administration may have changed its mind about a no-fly zone, but it hasn’t given any indication that it is ready to roll back Gadhafi’s forces.
Instead, the administration’s response to Gadhafi’s rule will almost certainly focus on trying to further isolate his regime. Libya already faces an array of diplomatic, trade and financial sanctions. Washington will seek to maintain these measures and add others. However, the administration will likely shy away from sanctions that target the broader Libyan economy, because that would mean punishing ordinary Libyans.
What the administration does beyond trying to isolate Libya will be shaped by how Gadhafi behaves going forward. Many no-fly proponents paint a nightmarish picture of an embittered and emboldened Gadhafi returning to his old ways, financing terrorism and seeking weapons of mass destruction.
That could happen. After all, Gadhafi has a track record of such behavior. He responded to the 1986 U.S. airstrikes on Libya by orchestrating the 1988 bombing of PanAm Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland.
But what is possible is not necessarily likely. Gadhafi is cruel, but he is also calculating. He knows that in a post-9/11 world, getting caught financing terrorism or acquiring weapons of mass destruction invites a U.S. attack and the possible end of his rule. An American president can respond slowly to a foreign dictator quashing a revolt. He can’t do the same when American lives are at risk. Expect the White House to privately – and perhaps publicly – warn Gadhafi not to cross that red line.
Gadhafi’s willingness and ability to engage in foreign adventures will also be tempered by the fact that he will have his hands full domestically rooting out real and perceived threats to his rule. But news of mass executions and torture will put pressure on the administration to do more to isolate Gadhafi. At the same time, the potential for a humanitarian crisis, especially in the next few weeks, could be substantial. The administration will need to find ways to meet humanitarian needs without strengthening Gadhafi. That may be difficult to do.
If the rebels hold on to Benghazi, the Obama administration might shift to a policy of overt or covert support for the rebel government. This could mean recognizing the rebels as Libya’s legitimate government (something France has already done), and lead to the U.S. arming and training them to hold off pro-Gadhafi forces. It may even go as far as to entail covert efforts to undermine Gadhafi’s rule.
The administration will face a different set of choices if the rebel movement collapses and some elements become radicalized and align with the likes of al Qaeda. A variant of this problem is if parts of Libya end up becoming lawless – under the control of neither Gadhafi nor the rebels. That could push the administration back in the direction of a policy that today seems distasteful – working with Gadhafi against jihadists. Until the recent rebellion, counterterrorism was one thing that brought Washington and Tripoli together.
The Obama administration’s likely strategy of isolation will leave many people dissatisfied, especially when, for a time, Gadhafi’s ouster seemed imminent. Isolation works slowly if at all, as the history of U.S. policy toward Cuba and North Korea attests.
Libya’s isolation will also be difficult to sustain. Many countries, over time, will lose their enthusiasm for shunning Libya. Gadhafi will almost certainly play the oil card, promising access to Libyan oil fields as a way to crack the coalition arranged against him. Regrettably, some countries will take him up on his offer.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of James Lindsay.
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DID OBAMA HELP GADDHAFI TO WIN?
It looks like, Obama who had said 3 weeks ago that "Gaddhafi must leave, he is not acceptable" but after meeting with Hillary he kept his mouth shut and allowed Gaddhafi to do whatever he can do to consolidate his position. Also, it helped Saudi to use their might in Bahrain sending thousands of his troops only to suppress the uprising. Other thugs are also openly using their military power to keep their regime intact. Since beginning Hillary and her team was not willing to jump in to the Mideast uprising. She was supporting Mubarak and is supporting all other remaining autocrats, kings, khalifs, sultans and dictators because she thinks that it is in the interest of America and more importantly ISRAEL. Now when the momentum is already lost, the poor Arab masses who thought that Obama and his CALL of democracy and freedom was solid as rock, went ahead to sacrifice their lives; but have been badly betrayed by the President of America. It is too bad for the reputation and prestige of America. Be careful in the next election, do not elect a President who can only TALK but do not have guts to ACT.
The Libyans opposition was spurred on by the Tunisians and Egyptians... not Obama or the Americans. America would and should be second fiddle to anything that is happening in Libya. If any fingers should be pointed it would be at the Arab League. Whether or not protests are subsequently successful or unsuccessful in the moment is no one's business but the nation's involved. I think America has enough of a track record of getting involved where it shouldn't be with miserable results. Obama has taken the cautious approach unlike his predecessor who just bullied his way into places like Iraq.
Most of the "poor Arab" masses I know wish death on America. If there is going to be change in Middle Eastern politics it must come from within – bloody or not – and not American blood.
Keith is right Gadhafi's an animal but change has to come from within.
Well said, Keith. The situation is truly regrettable, but it's not America's place to take military action, which is what enforcement of a no-fly zone would entail. The Libyans started this without the U.S. – they need to carry it through the same. The Arab League should be taking the lead and using the military hardware we supplied them if they are so intent upon stopping Gadhafi. America is always in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. At this point, I'd rather be a damned if you don't, and save American lives for once.
Keith, you hit it right on the nail. Freedom, comes from within and not down the barrel of a gun (GWB & Iraq-how has that worked out.) Tunisia and Egypt (in that order) did not ask for US, or any outside entity, for help. Libyans, on the other hand, were out numbered, out gunned, no air cover and went to crush Gaddafi, knowing that it is a stretch, and are waiting for Western powers to come in and fight their war. Libya is a different situation. Besides, you need a President that is cautioous after 8 years of a narrow viewed foreign policy.
Very well said Kieth.
However, by saving lives without stepping foot in Libya, it could boost opinion of America. If the US does nothing, it will be perceived as a weak, uncaring country instead of the super power feared by dictators in days gone by.
I agree. Removal of a dictator, sultan or king can have serious unintended consequences. If the country is stable and Ghadahfi isn't actively targeting other countries with terrorisitic threats, then why remove him and allow an Iraq type situation to unfurl? I believe that Saddam needed to be removed from power, but what Bush and most of the American govt failed to anticipate was just how strong the vacuum of power that would leave behind. We expected a swift removal of the Baath party and instillation of a pro-democratic govt, but the extremists were just sitting right outside the door waiting to fill in that empty void we left. I think Obama is determined, even if it means keeping Gadahfi in power, that to avoid creating a border-line extremist civil war in Libya like Iraq is currently dealing with. Gadahfi will be ousted, but maybe not this time.
True enough. America will not be precived as weak and do not fear reprisal for those who would have us do their bidding for them. President Obama and his advisors made the right choice, We cannot become the dogs of war for every nation on earth. The Arabs need to look after their own. We have to wash our hands of it and hope the people can bring about reform without so much bloodshed.
Most poor Arabs wish death on America? Really? Where is your source, or did you just pull that statistic from your @zzhole?
The Chinese and Russians have seen this situation further advance than the americans, lots of americans likes to snoops on other's business, its very bad for the americans, luckily you have Obama who thinks wisely.
Newyorker you should update yourself news wise, about 2/3 of the earths population hates americans like you (egotistic, narrow minded, racist and evil person), set your mind straight (that is if you have one) america will no longer be the super power in the coming days, america is in debt specially to Japan and China.
Change MUST come from within, but these are not the civil wars of 150 years ago. It's not civilians armed with guns against an army armed with guns – it's civilians armed with guns, against armies armed with advanced 21st century technology.
An oppressive and sadistic dictator CAN maintain control even with the minutest support of the population – that's the reality of domestic politics in the 21st century. I would LOVE to just stand back and let it play out, but in almost every case, the huge disparity in firepower will side with the dictator in control of the national armed forces. I have to give Mubarek some credit in that regard, he didn't HAVE to step down.
These things are far more complicated than they've ever been.
Much as I hated the wait, Obama was right. Keith you are one clever person. Anyone can stand and criticize Obama 24/7....but...it's getting old, y'all. What happened tonight was great. 11 votes for the resolution! China abstained. Ever wonder why? Because they do the same thing Gadaffi does. Same is true about Russia. Plus, those who abstained need and want some oil. Better wait and see who will be the next democratically elected leader in Libya. Obama isn't acting alone this time, he had to wait on the rest of the leaders to vote yes. Lebanon's speech and France's speech were remarkable. Also those of the Balkan regions. Don't be afraid because someone writes an article here stirring up the pot. Without controversy, there would be no news. Gadaffi and his kids are living on borrowed time. They did not care about bombing a hospital, or killing the very doctors who were just trying to mop up the river of blood in their hallways. He did not care if there were pregnant women, or babies or old people. Let's see how brave he is when the guns are facing him.
Yes, let them play their own cards.
I agree with Newyorker Keith pulled that one out of his ass, must be watching to much movies.
Allow me to point out to you advocates of change from within, that they are trying to do just that. Please also note that the independence of the United States of America came about with help from the French – and no small help either.
American Revolutionary war / American rebels against the British Empire asked for help from foreign countries, and they slowly helped the American Revolutionists...Thankfully the Rebels did win with some outside intervention...Libya is asking for our help, are we going to sit back and allow a dictator to crush thousands of innocent lives.
Obama made a mistake to demand that the Gadhafi step down. Rule #1 – pick your battles. This is not a battle we should have entered verbally if it is not a battle we are willing to back up with action. I knew Obama would look like a fool as soon as those words came out of his mouth because I knew he would never go it alone in Libya and he would never get European and Russian/Chinese support in the UN. Anybody with a brain knows Russia and China will stand against dethroning dictators because they are themselves totalitarian governments. It is the height of stupidity in the extreme for the President to openly call for Gadhafi's ouster when he knows he won't act without the support of large totalitarian governments around the world. He acted stupidly in the extreme in saying Gadhafi must go. He should have stuck to calling for restraint and waited to see who came out the victor if he was not willing to stand for freedom and put American power behind the rebels. I agree that we should not be attacking Libya, but now with his words he makes our nation look weak and vacillating instead of prudent.
Nate,
I voted for Obama, but I think that you are "spot on" with analysis.
I can't understand why he said that, he looks like a fool now. Worse, Hillary is over there sort of stuck. Obama said this now she's meeting with leaders left to explain America's position on Libya.
How was he wrong? The US has not been on friendly terms with Gadfafi or Libya for decades, so how would one choose sides and don't forget that many of the foreign fighters battling our troops in Iraq have come from Saudi Arabia and Libya.
This was a no win scenario, even though the arab league ask for a no-fly zone, one that they wouldn't do nor would they send any sought of assistance something they wanted someone else to do, why is that? Why is it that the only places that are getting any aid in the fighting is Afganistan and Iraq and who is getting the aid, not the US.
Spoke a little too soon didn't you Nate , we have to wait for international agreement , no more John Wayne. Its the only way to build trust and shame those that stand against, like in this case Russia and China. Now lets let the europeans work a little harder in their back yard.
This is just partisan nonsense. People like you will dance in every direction to throw venom at anyone whose views are different from your own.
As usual, a simplistic,dumbed downed comment. Not trying to defend Obama, but this continuall effort to reduce decades of american foreign policy towards the middle east – to Obama's term in office is laughable. Did you really think america's playing both sides of the table was sustainable. By that, I mean supporting despotic regimes and at the same time shouting democracy and freedom. You could care less about the poor arab masses and they know it to. John2397 wake up you are now inheriting the world your fathers created, and now you want to blame some one anyone for this mess. But you know, this is thing was foretold by the Elohim of Israel and it is coming to pass, but children are israel are within borders and you did not even consider this time. Did you?
The United States has its hand full trying to get things done in Afganistan which wasn't taken care of by the last administration. Did any Libyan's come to the aid of the United States after September 11, 2001. Need I saw more???
Yes, Libya did come to help the United States against Terrorism, including fighting them in their own country. Also giving up willingly their weapons of Mass Destruction...So, the answer is that Gadaffi did help the United States. Now he is at a civil conflict / revolt of his people and he is not asking for our help to crush the revolt. I am on neither side. I do not know who is the strong rulers of the Rebel side nor their political stance and their desire to rule democratically. I am actually totally against Gadaffi because he doesn't have a very good organized political system. he wants pure and total control, and i believe in our political system, not empirealism or totalitarianism, or communism, etc.
None of yuh...MInd your garbage USA.Thanx-American 4 america.
Those calling on military action by the West miss the point that many Arab countries have the military capability to establish a No Fly Zone, provide anti-Ghadafi forces weapons and strategy, and most importantly air and ground support. France showed a little too early at the party by recognizing the rebels as the legitimate government; that only complicates domestic issues in France nd does nothing for every day Libyans. American hawks, including those CNN calls for intervention, are all too ready for shed more American blood. Let this play out. We don't have a dog in this fight. It's time for Europe and the Arabs, let alone China, Russia, India, and Brazil, to belly up to the bar. America can no longer and should no longer be the world's policeman.
WE ARE THE POLICEMEN OF THE WORLD, THE WORLD ALREADY THINKS OF US AS THE EXEMPLAR, SO WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THEM IN SQAUSHING DICTATORS, TERRORISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND ANY OTHER AGAINST TRUE DEMOCRACY. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WEAPONS DIDN'T HAVE TO BE USED, BUT, BACK TO REALITY. IF WE ALLOW REGIMES TO BE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT INTERVENTION, THEN WE WILL LOSE, BECAUSE THEN THEY WILL CIRCULATE THE GLOBE, AND WE WOULD BECOME THE WEAK, LITERALLY....THINK ABOUT IT...AMERICANS......BE STRONG
If we help we will be hated, if we don't help we will be hated. I say America let's the Middle East deal with its own problems since we suck so much.
Oh, no! you wont be hated for not inserting your nose to others bowl. do not worry about that.
LOOK AT MILITARY STATISTICS... IF WE DON'T PUSH OUR MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE TO ESTABLISH ORDER AND PEACE IN THE WORLD, THEN THE TERRORISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND EVIL REGIMES WILL WIN AGAINST TRUE DEMOCRACY. THEY ARE ALREADY TAKING OVER AMERICA, WHY NOT FIGHT BACK FOR REAL BELIEFS OF FREEDOM INSTEAD OF REPRESSION.................................
If we help we will be hated, if we don't help we will be hated. I say America let's the Middle East deal with its own problems since we are such an evil empire in their eyes.
jonh2397 you must be a republican speaking about something you dont even know well, thats is cause you being american you suppost to support your own president instead of blablabla..
Wow, it's amazing any of you passed high school US history classes. The American Revolution would have turned out very different if it were not for the French supporting the Revolutionaries (Battle of Yorktown 1781, arms supplier, blockades in New Orleans). You are all very naive. Without the support of France, we would have never won the war. Ben Franklin was a genius, he used France's might to have the British capitulate but when it came time for the end of the war, he brokered a great trade deal with the British ensuring peace, stability, and economic growth for the US.
Unlike Iraq, we will be welcomed by Libya. No one but a small cadre of citizens like Quadafi. Unlike Iraq, the population is very small. You will see many people rise up against Quadafi when the bombs start raining down on his troops from the recetn UN sanctions. Most ofhis army are paid mercenaries. He is a clever fox, but this time he has overstepped himself and got caught off-guard. He thought he could shoot and kill a few protesters and the rest of the citizens would fall back in fear. To his great surprise, a bunch of rag tag ordinary joes took over half the country in a couple weeks. He has backed himself into a corner, just listen to his crazy rhetoric. He will not be able to hold the world hostage, he only has less than 2% of the worlds oil supply, Saudi Arabia has already agreed to fill the void. He's not welcome anymore, look when your only friend is Hugo Chavez you know your in trouble.
My friend, you said precisely what I thought about, all through therse last weeks. I can´t believe there are people commnentiong in these here threads who did not realize that there is not a single succesful revolt, anywhere, which did not include the help, overt, or covert, of a country, or a group of countries.
I agree. I was a strong supporter of Obama and am very disappointed. Just another President Jimmy Carter. likeable but indecisive. Guantanamo was supposed to be shut down, if I remember correctly. It's there and nothing has changed.
"poor Arab masses who thought that Obama and his CALL of democracy and freedom was solid as rock, went ahead to sacrifice their lives; but have been badly betrayed by the President of America. "
Umm, what does Obama owe to Libya or any other Arab nation? He was elected President of the U.S., not President of the World. He works for we Americans, not the Arabs. At least, he should. Many will say he works for the Arabs anyway. But his promises were not for Arabs, could not be, he has no authority there. Only in America. Sorry you guys jumped onto his HOPE and CHANGE message, too...it wasn't meant for you.
Its been clear from Obamas policies he is a wanna be dictator and hates democracy so i don't know why you guys are surprised by his actions of doing nothing. I cant believe you morons elected him, there is your change A$$holes...
You said President Obama hates Democracy.
Please give proof.
If not, please STFU.
Hey John2397 how about you team up with Bush, Channey, Rumsfeld and Rice and go after Ghadafi?
I think you are right he always talks about great things but does not do anything to back them. it is wrong why did we elect him it balfials me.
´Don´t think so... use your "noodles"...
I Bet You That If We All Decided In America To Get Rid Of All The People In The White House ? My Opinion They Would Have Police Killing Us Or They Would Lock Us Up Reason America Has More Prisons Then Any Country In The World
Help for the 'poor Arab masses' is certainly welcome, but perhaps not if this help primarily advances 'US or Israeli interests' as the author notes. One critical question promoters of intervention need to answer is – will intervention be a tool consistently applied to all tyrants who oppress people, or just a few who are not strong enough to stand up before NATO airpower, or whose hold on important resources demands stability and the defence of the status quo rather than a revisionist re-interpretation of the UN Charter defending state sovereignty?
Col Qaddafi has been called various names by his detractors at home and abroad. That applied to Saddam Hossein, too, even when he was killing the Kurds in northern Iraq and Iranians to the east of Iraq. Those who plan to attack Libyan air defence systems today helped Saddam Hussein's government with material assistance and operational intelligence then. There are other authoritarian, non-democratic and repressives regimes about. Will the United States and its allies unseat the House of Saud, for instance, or the Chinese Communist Party government in Beijing? Assaults on civilians may well have triggered this planned intervention, but will the United States attack Indian forces in Jammu & Kashmir and Pakistani forces deployed to the Federally Administered Tribal Areas? or Israeli Defence Forces subjugating the Palestinians since 1967? or the Russian formations in the northern Caucasus?
To claim a monopoly on the moral highground – as is suggested by the insistence on the international community's (that is an oxymoron if there ever was one) responsibility to defend unarmed civilians – the claimants have to demonstrate honesty of purpose and consistency in application. Will the US and its allies mount operations to bring democracy across the North African and Middle Eastern homeland of Arabs, all Arabs, that is, or just where their interests selectively demand the application of force? Will they apply their coercive capacity anywhere else, or just to those countries where the status quo challenge their perceived interests?
Will they have the moral strength to answer these questions with honesty? Get real!
Well, are you really this stupid or just another paid liar for the filthy Republicans? Don't bother answering "neither".
obama did nothing for or against the regime. it may suck over there but if you think about it, it is really none of our buisiness
So Gadhafi is overthrown? do we really know who the rebels are, what they represent ? What kind of Government would be installed ? No, the United States should not be involved in this.... we are broke, and we want to get involved in more wars.
!st we have NO legitimate right to be involved in the internal struggle in another nation. Our president simply is unconstitutionally MURDERING Libyans and spending our money to do it in your name. Why ??? FOR OIL COMPANIES !!! It seems that some Libyans want a new Muslim president .... I say send them ours.
Before lecturing Libya, the US / UN should deal with the zionists for the atrocities they have been committing on the Palestinians for the last 60+ years...
first of all the UN is useless because it only favors the powerful countries, it shouldn't be called the UN it should be called the PCU aka the powerful countries Union. secondly i think every country should mind they own business. nobody said something like no fly zone when the zionists went to Liban and destroyed everything on they way. this world is the jungle the strongest survive and the weakest die that's what it is.
Well said! The UN should be dismantled; all it does is rubber stamp American wars of aggression. We should refrain from interfering in other countries business. The billions we spend on weapons we could spend on education, infrastructure, and healthcare. The US should not let itself be influenced by that diminutive clown Sarkozy.
Hmmmm... That's interesting. I always thought it was the other way around.
No, it takes two to tango.
Yawn.
What attrocities would that be ?
Defending themselves against attacks.
The US could send Obama to bow to Gaddafi if he wins! Alternatively, we could snatch him, take him directly to GITMO, try him for the Lockerby murders and execute him like Saddam. My money is on the first scenario.
If Kaddafi was behind Lokerby–which I am not sure he was–it was in retaliation for Reagan (a sub-human animal) bombarding Tripoli and Benghazi. Bush, father and son, Clinton, Blair as well as Obamad should be tried for crimes against humanity. Mitterand is being tried in hell. James you are an ignorant man.
You really should really educate yourself before you make asinine comments.
Reagan bombed Libya because Libyan terrorists blew up a German disco and killed 4 American soldiers in the process.
Ghadafi was definitely behind the Pan Am bombing. He has formally accepted responsibility for it in the settlement with the victims.
There are also reliable news reports that he personally approved the mission, something that nobody with a half a brain ever doubted.
Your ridiculous posts show how ignorant you are.
No Rene, you're the ignorant one. Go learn some recent history before you spout off again about things about which you clearly know nothing.
tedious partisan nonsense. You are a child lashing out like a child, with absolutely no knowledge of the situation.
I'm having trouble understanding why we would want to be involved in THEIR business. How would we feel if Mexico or Canada came in here with some form of military evertime our congress couldn't pass a budget bill or there was undue argument over the results of an election or when people are rioting in the streets like animals.
You are right, ROTDOC. We have enough problems in this country. Good day to you !
because If in US their is a problem of budget bill,Marines,US Air force is not shredding any American citizen to pieces,
To watch any human beings ( Benghazi Libyans) in this position and not help is being a coward,Is against humanity,
Ghaddafi is a mad man,He should get Reagan's style message,He should be bombed including his every possible rat hole and any of his APC or tanks should be immobilised by a love letter, a drone,or missile strike.
When did it become law that American blood has to be shed to solve other peoples' problems? (not to mention American taxpayers' money spent) You want Gadhafi dead, you book a flight to Tripoli and do it yourself. We are not the world's policeman, it is not our responsibility to fight all the worlds evil-doers. There are cruel despots all around the world, and have been all throughout history. Each society or civilization has to evolve on its own. Sorry, it's not our f*-ing job to make every corner of the world a better place. Deal with it.
In the mean time we can only sit back and watch as innocent civilians are hurt and killed that are caught up in this mess over there – and do nothing at all to help, just watch it happen. It's all well and good to say the U.N. should ACT on this as a unified front or the "Arab Nations League" should take the ball and run with it, but in the mean time, they take forever TALKING while Ghadaffi (sp) does whatever he wants to these people and no one stops him.
Russia and China are as cruel to their people,they have no moral high ground,If Ghaddafi is not stopped now The world will have to pay very dearly Ghaddafi who can kill his own people for what save his own skin,He does not own Libya The king was overthrown not to install Ghaddafi Dynasty, He is evil and has no moral legitimacy to remain in Power.
He should be tried in the court of Law for crimes against his own people and let the Libyan Justice system hang him & his murderous sons.
The Democrat Communists and BP want Gadhafi to stay in power
So that's why a Republican president invaded an oil rich Iraq and removed a dictator that had stabilized the country and kept the insurgents suppressed? Unless you're an independent or a green party member, your argument goes against both democrats and republicans alike.
Russia and China are spoilers in United nation Resolutions. China for one is only exploiting Africa Nations and siding with Gadaffi is a true example. Russia on the other hand, wants to be selling arms to Gadaffi.
I thought our Chump-in-Chief said Gadaffi was "Toast"?
TRUE FACE OF GADDHAFI, AND EVERY OTHER DICTATOR IN MIDDLEAST EVERYONE IN WEST NEED TO SEE IT
Any DARK DAY for Islam is a good day!
You keep swiggin down that koolaid and we hope you choke on it. There is nothing good, kind, merciful, redeeming, gentle or civil about islam and you guys need to wake up to that fact. Islam is responsible for 90% of the misery in this world and that percentage will only grow. Sorry dude, but you're on the wrong side of morality.
I didn't know you were an authority on Islam. When is your thesis coming out?
Barry sure sent a buttload of mixed messages on this Libyan thing, didn't he. A true portrait of his mind. hahahaa
The guy who wrote this article must be on drugs, when did the war between Libia and the US start? absolutely absurd... if there is some kind of resistance in Libia, it surely seems to be their issue, if i were to revolt in the US and even pick up ground, what right does that give any other country to support my movements? Sounds like treason.. As far as I know, people have a right to revolt but those that they revolt against arent just going to step aside and allow you to win based on public opinion half way across the world.. Lastly, In the desperate state of the US economy, so many out of work, so many hungry and poor, and the US still chooses to concentrate its efforts financially in matters that dont concern it. We need federal aid domestically, we pay taxes to reap those benefits, not so blackwater and libia can
lol Gadaffi is one step away from liberating the Libyan people from terrorists. ...Libya is the most prosperous country in Africa with the highest human development index, above brazil(73rd) while libya is 53rd in the world. .....at the age of 20 u can get a 100k loan, apply it to housing, car...etc.. and pay it off for 60 years with NO interest cuz its considered HARAM money(meaning unlawful according to islam) ..so wait..the Libyan people are living good...we must bomb asap!!! lol im sure Cheney and Bush would LOVE that interest money that isn't being collected
So I guess being shot at by your own leadership is acceptable, because you get interest-free loans? Is that your logic here?
100K at 20? When this is all over I'm gonna go get me a loan!
All of a sudden the US administration is All Hat No Cattle. If there is no leadership in the US, (or Germany, even if they seems to swing now with cold feet) to participate in rooting this evil out, it will have a profound impact on the US global cred to the point that it will marginalize itself beyond what it thought possible. The no-fly zone is passe', now airstrikes on the coastal strip on artillery, logistics on the roads and marine activites need to be added. Just use NATO to do it. There is no need to engage more than 50 miles inland. If the turks dont want to join, so what? This is a major problem just next to the EU and smack in the middle of an arab transformation that will NOT stabilize towards secular, democratic regimes without this regime gone. We cannot have this maniac loose. The rediculous concerns for UN framework, the Chinese and Russians are just pathetic.
Hillary Clinton was really worried about radiation when her husband was dropping tons of depleted uranium on little Serbian kids.
I watched them bomb the "little serbian kids" off my balcony. front lines sarajevo, those "little serbian kids" were grown a*** men with rifles, tanks, and artillery pointing at my city..may all of their mothers die slow of cancer
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Normally, I would agree with Keith that this is not America's business. But, unlike Tunisia or Egypt, Gadhaffi has boosted his army with mercenaries. This, along with his willingness to kill innocent women and children with his Air Force, requires a response. While the Arab League called for a No-Fly Zone, it should have implemented one using the combined forces of its members with logistical support from the United States. This is where Obama could have shown leadership by pulling such a force together. With our drones, we could have taken out the Libyan anti-aircraft weapons, their radar, and their tanks. At least then the rebels would have had a fighting chance. Now the rebels are only postponing their deaths by fighting and not fleeing to safe haven in Egypt.
I find it funny how many people are calling for American military action because it will save lives. Is that really why? Do you not realize the thousands of people that are butchered on a yearly basis on that very same continent? Africa is full of human rights abuses, and there seems to be some form of straight up genocide every 5 or 6 years.
Where were you people when 1.4 million were slaughtered in Rwanda? Oh wait that's right, nobody cared because they don't have any oil fields. If we're going to go on the offensive to save lives then we have a solid 10 or 15 other countries we need to invade for the exact same reason. Which one of you wants to foot the bill for that? Who wants to DIE for it? Not me.
Way to get caught up in something that just flat out isn't our problem. The United States has no business doing anything more than what it has done: sanction, denounce, and let them handle their business.
Well said, Aaron!
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I think America should stay out of muslim country conflict this time.it will be better for the American people.
China and Russia NEVER agree with us on anything unless they benefit from it.
according to garry's logic, we should also had stay out of European's and Asia's affair back in 1940s and the world would be rule by Germans and Japanesse now.
What a lame idea.
You should read up on your history. USA had an isolationist policy before WW2, and we did stay out of it (other than arms sales to UK) until Pearl Harbor was attacked. It wasn't our choice to get involved.
He will hang on like that sticky little turd at the end of your bowel movement.
america /obama is only pretending to help the rebels but not doing it because they don't want un-rest to spread to Saudi and other M.E. countries so that U.S. can have a stayable oil supply.
It's all about oil. Freedom/liberity is all bull.
Yes, Let them all die! Who cares! They are people who matter in any case.
This is NOT our problem. We have too much on our plate at this time, a poor economy. Let the British, French or Germany hasndle it. They need to belly up to the bar. Better yet, let China and Russia take care of it. They seem to disagree with normal society in these areas.
its sad how the world is unfair, who are the people of libya, its it the 900,000 foolish tugs who want to destroy their country or the millions of supporter of thier leader. its a shame they re not proud of their leader who has been able to stand the cuelty of the americans and the europeans. its sad how the UN works only basing their arguement of the fact the the international media is giving. i wanna ask the french, the brits, the chinese, the russians nd the americans what would have been their respond to such rebellions. its a shame nd may allah see this great leader through all the mess. after all did the whole world see the number of foriegn worker leaving libya? they were not tourist but worker , so if the country was that bad then u can imagine the number of foriegner who left. shame of the UN
please...........America,dont involved ur military in any conflict or in Libya again, the U.S have being into 2 war, with so many military forces being killed and civilian causualties. Turning the muslim against the united state, why should the U.S be the only one to spill head wars,what are france,china, and the so called traitor(Russians), who are trying everything to claim superiority,soleing conflict in Aghanistan, and helping Iran to build a nuclear weapon, why not they go and handle the conflict in Libya.
My advice to the U.S,is to stay away from the conflict and try to have a person talk with ghadafi and their foces. i thinks ghadafi,will understand the reasons why stepping down is needed now for a peaceful Libya.Let France take the lead now,they are part of the G8. Cuz, the rebels are not to be trusted,they my end up,training terrorist,talibans, against the United State. It suppose to be a peaceful protest for the people of libya,for their right and good governance.
but,the rebel are pickin arms,artillaries and weapons, instead of a peaceful protest.
A full born Nigerian
You are wrong. Muslims hate Gadhafi. The US will be a hero in the Muslim world if they kick Gadhafi's ass.
U.N. talk of a no fly zone is just that – talk. Either China or Russia will kill the resolution. Gadhafi will most definitely remain in power and I fear the Libya will turn into another Darfur. Gadhafi will do everything he can to prevent something like this from ever happening again.
Looks like the West esp. USA have no respect for "sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity". No wonder USA do not want to join the ICC or ratify the Kyoto Treaty.
Whatever! Bravo to the USA! Carry on with your Policeman Game. Go and get rid of all the dictators and in this case upset the BALANCE of POWER [ Like Saddam Hussein, Gadafi is a Sunni and is opposing the rise of the SHITE muslim disguised as demonstrators fighting for DEMOCRACY supported by Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Council ] there or it USA simply eyeing the OIL in Libya. Whatever! Go and pick another fight.
IIMO it does not affect both China or Russia.
In fact, Russia as the world biggest OIL EXPORTER is delight because it means she has more FUND now with the increase in OIL PRICES.
AND China will be a trading partner to whoever comes to POWER.
Look at Sudan for instance, whether it is North or South Sudan, they both embrace China. China has a NON INTERFERENCE foreign policy. Sending a warship to escort your citizen to safety with the permission of the HOST NATION does not constitutes a change in the policy or a MILITARY THREAT.
How many years did the world bank projects before China become the largest ECONOMY in the world. You can safely now cut that number by half. Good luck.
China regrets multinational air strikes in Libya
(AFP)
BEIJING — China's foreign ministry expressed regret on Sunday over the multinational air strikes in Libya, saying in a statement that it opposed the use of force in international relations.
"China has noted the latest developments in Libya and expresses regret over the military attacks on Libya," the statement said.
The statement did not call for a ceasefire in Libya, said China respected the north African country's "sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity."
"We hope Libya can restore stability as soon as possible and avoid further civilian casualties due to an escalation of armed conflict," it added.
Multinational forces led by France and Britain began bombarding Libya with missiles from air and sea on Saturday to enforce a United Nations-mandated no-fly zone and protection of rebels from Moamer Kadhafi's forces.
China did not block the UN resolution authorising the operation, abstaining in the Security Council vote on the issue rather than using its veto.
They are idiots , why did they send warships to take their people out , they should have left them there and have Ghadafi kill all of them . Whatever is said about china , the truth is that they are taking advantage of their prosperity and deep pockets to encourage despotism all over the world .. worse in Africa. I think America did not need to stay out , may be not fight but provide all necessary support to the rebels , it does not matter how they turn , they will still be one tiny country .
Lamentable que Estados Unidos no ayuden al puenlo Libio...ellos estan pidiendo la ayuda que es muy distinto a irak..la humanidad recordara esta parte de la historia que fue escrita con sangre inocente...estos pueblos estan buscando democracia..y no vivir con un gobernante que lo extermina de apocos.....se debe respetar su derecho a la vida...los rebeldes como dicen son un grupo del pueblo que lucha por su libertad...este es el momento que Estados Unidos muestre al mundo que puede ayudar a este pueblo...tiene las formas de hacerlo....discreta o abiertamente...que regrese la paz en este sitio.... leeo que dicen que hay muchos que ya han muerto en sus países ...que sigan muriendo?....no importa uno muerto más?......no comparto esto...perderia mi esencia ...lo que me hace amar la vida...si no me expreso en pro de la vida...ojala que el presidente Obama muestre asi mismo, al mundo y los pueblos arabes que pueden ayudar a un pueblo dejandolos vivir y elegir su destino......solo una ayuda muy rapida sin mayorers interferencias.....el presidente de Francia a mostrado su firme posición...no dudo ..es asi como un gobernante muestra seguridad y confianza a su pueblo...gracias Francia
-Gadhafi's revenge will be felt! Adding to that, the rebels who expected Americans to help with the no fly zone-America can't win either way! -Gadhafi attitude–you stabbed me in the back– I wlll stab you in the heart! The rebels who lost their lives and the friends still hanging on-are mad because US wasn't a reliable source for their road to freedom!
America lost her voice–America won't be taken seriously by Japan or Libya-one take on the television says it all-People on the ground in Japan going through the debri–mother looking for milk for her child–looked into the camera and said: "we expected the Americans to show up–but they haven't done it yet! Food on aircraft carriers were offshore but for some reason the food wasn't being distributed yet. One Govt blamed the other Govt! Then the camera switched to Libya and rebels looking into the cameras saying–we expected Americans to show up–but they haven't done anything yet!
Yes–America in 2012 will need the strongest man ever to help restore America to what it use to be-A country who said and acted on their own without delay!
I agree on the last statement that America does need Jesus.
Japan has nothing to do with this, they are being helped by their government and our military. And they don't complain either.
Go to You Tube and search for a channel called "theodorenmichele". Theodore Aluoch has a prophecy on the assassination of Ghadafi. He says he will be killed by one of his own men close to him. He will be killed by a shot to the head and there will be other bullets in his body as well after that initial shot to the head. Then complete chaos will insue in Libya.
He must be hung
Kill em all
Why is everyone assuming only the US can intervene? Lets "make" europe deal with this one since its on thier doorstep. Its time the E.U. step up to the plate and show us their more then just a trade aggrement. Italy, France, Germany, Neatherlands, Belgium, Denmark?, Austria, Czech Republic, Spain, and Pourtugal they all have some troops and the very best equipment money can buy so why to use it! Its high time Europe stop mopping around feeling bad about it self for once ruling 80% of the world and do something. Italy used to rule Libya who better then them to lead the coalitian. O and for all you people that say it must come from the libyan people we tried that they failed time to let us show them how you kill a dictator. Dead is dead doesn't matter who kills him we will sort that mess out after. Also as soon as the US and Europe stop being the world police China will so think about that.
Who does the UN think they are? Why does anyone care what the UN thinks?
Tell me again why the west should set up a no fly zone?
The Arab League can not, they are to busy putting down protests and revolts in their own countries.
I have no problem with Arabs helping each other go to heaven.
Only if they believe in Jesus Christ and follow his commandments.
Let them all make martyrs of each other. So long as they're killing each other, they can't try to kill us. Now all we need is a Sunni-Shia war to erupt over Bahrain to make even more martyrs.
If Gadoofy has his unfettered way, the losers are both citizens and star kids – a very real combination of a citizen soul, embolden with a loving partner(s) soul. Star kids may receive points towards their "I was a rebellion tested citizen of the realm" COF requirement, and non-COF star kids perchance be given credits to serve in the Core of the Finality. But they, star kids, may have lost their goal, toppling the evil beast. My hope is Gadoofy and his thugs be confined to a small place with no possible future impact on Lybia's citizens. Why not let Lybia citizens elect their government – a fresh start they'll need soon to overcome what is to come upon all mankind. Have a nice day!
Yeah right, and attack the rest of the so called free society.
It may be a wise idea for anybody who is sincerely interested in helping mankind to please check the updated reference before you reply. Google "Corps of the Finality" Study these references, and then get back. Have a wonderful life!
It's a bunch of mumbo jumbo to me.
Oooops, "Corps of the Finality"
The author of this article do not understand that the only solution for Obama and world peace is to finish the job and put and end to the Gadafi's regime. Simple as that. Stop thinking in other ways to avert this dangerous man, a murderer and maybe a crazy autocrat.
And after ridding the world of Gadhafi, there's only how many dozen more tyrants? World peace? There hasn't been world peace since the dawn of humanity, and there would be until after we're all gone. Get real.
if you think that america should get involved in libya than send your own childern over there to fight. i am 60 years old and have watched marines blowen up in a building in lebenon, people in wheel chairs pushed of from ships to drown, seen embasseies blowen up , seen trains blowen up in their stations, seen planes blowen out of the air over england and seen the buildings going down in new york city. good cause bad cause we have muslims killing muslims and this american doesn't care. when i see other muslim nations put boots on the ground and planes in the air in libya instead of just supporting a no fly zone carried out by the west maybe i might change my mind. many muslims pray 3 times a day to god that he might destroy the USA. these nation don't lift a finger or invest money into any other nation but their own. afganistan is one of the worlds poorest nations and people their live in dirt houses while oil rich muslim nations turn their heads away.muslim men don't even car about their own wemen let alone other muslim countries. these guys think if they die a martar that god will reward them by giving them 72 vergins in an after life! just think about how sick that is when you cry your tears for libya! this is an opinion that will most likely won't even get posted. lets give our help to japan they need it and are not trying to destroy us for helping!
David............Blowen up ???
You are not 60 years old, maybe 6.
ok not all true david but the point of the matter is that ya Muslim nations won't do anything about this so its up to Europe, America and Japan(in a few months) to do it. OR CHINA WILL (not in this case but in furture world police situations) someday we'll relilize who the true enemy is
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China is the largest threat to society, as we know it. Hopefully, the sleeping giant will stay that way.
This is not Obama's fight if based on political ends BUT what that madman & his sons are doing is cold blooded, first degree,(again)state sponsored genocide/homocide. Gadhafi must have judgement rendered & punishment exacted as soon as humanly possible but he & his sons are cowards to the core and probably commit suicide... at any rate, it's time for him "to sleep with the fishes".
I'm 60 years old too, and I'm here to say that freedom is never a gift! It must be fought for! Allowing tens of thousdands of freedom fighters to be slaughtered is totally unacceptable, and your children may need them around to back them up someday, when our own country is under attack by lunatics like Gadhafi. Oh and by the way.. I didn't see our government rushing to the aid of the hurricane victims in New Orleans like they are for Japan. All I see is this country using up it's resources, so when we have a real fight on our hands we won't be prepared for it! In other words.. We really need to get our priorities straight before it's too late. THAT'S MY OPINION.. and I thank God I was born in a country where the majority not only value freedom, but are still willing to fight for it!!!
dan don't get me wrong but this high ground moral opinions of people in this country is more about the politics than the killing. we have many countries in this world who are killing their own people by the thuusands, the one thing that they have or have not is the people are black and they don't have oil to sell. muslim countries are the only countries that i see on the news carring signs that say "death to america". people in these countries were in the streets cheering the downing of the trade towers. besides dan we have bigger fish to fry right here at home because if the gap between the haves and the have nots gets any bigger we will have people in the streets of this country just like eygpt. look at wisconsin ,michigan . illinois . ohio. what is going on in those staes in not really about budgets its about union busting so that the model of what a job should pay and the befits exspected for every one union or non union will be gone and forgotten. knock out the unions and the non union employers will not have to give you benifits and a raise in pay to keep the unions out.
Let's just hope that Qadaffi does triumph. That's better than watching another pro-Western stooge worm his way into power.
it's time, long overdue to put a "no fly zone" over Hillary's mouth. Death and destruction are now inevitable. Would the Arab world please investigate Bill, Hillary, and please invite Monica:)
Well said,vincent. Thank you.
Great article
When Obama said "Ghadafi nust leave"I belive this is the most powerfull and diplomatic weapon Obama has used. Ghadafi is not listening to the call for peace and freedom. He chose to use jets and heavy machine guns to kill and destroy the opposition who is nobody then his own people, brothers and children. He chose to destroy his own country, his own land using jets and guns. He is destroying himself.. killing himself... he chose his own destiny. Peace for Obama ... Hell for Ghadafi.
The article misses the point. If Qadaffi survives, the Chinese will grab every oil contract available. Deja vu! Then what?
Someone posted that if we don't get into the Libyan crisis the world will see us as a weak, uncaring nation instead of the strong one that dictators have always feared. FEARED? We have supported dictators for years and years. We supported Saddam Hussein until oil became a problem. How about this: If we don't help the rebels in Libya, we will see ourselves as a weak, uncaring nation and be even more depressed than we already are. We are seeing what greed has done to our economy, which is enough to make us hang our heads. It is time for America to once again become a powerful hero to the world. Our superman cape is becoming tattered and torn.
The question we must ask ourselves is... "Are we ready to go to war?" With the financial state our own country is in, and the bi-partisan bickering in Washington. We need to take care of numero "UNO"! Any action taken in the middle east should be spearheaded by the U.N. by request of rebel forces and the people of that nation.
70% of the American people polled said they don't want to be in another war. Just like healthcare, Obummer does what he wants to do regardless of what voters say. The Arab countries have billions of dollars of fighter jets supplied by the US, France and Germany. Let them get their hands dirty and take care of Libya.
you must be a Rep.? huh? instead of speaking to the issue at hand, you start pointing fingers and calling names! The fact is that he has stepped away from the issue and is in support of Gadhafi. Right now he is playing golf as a matter of fact. I'm surprised you aren't with him...
I love America , but unfortunately the bad guy has something many countries want , as Dr James Lindasay wrote !
Absolut nothing.....
-> "An American president can respond slowly to a foreign dictator quashing a revolt. He can’t do the same when American lives are at risk. "
Seriously?!? What is the moral authority that says that American lives as opposed to other human lives are somewhat magically more important and more worth protecting? Anyone bothered to think about how many Libyian-Americans have families and relatives there that are going to suffer? But nah, they're not important since they're not Americans...
I'm not an Obama fan, but he's doing it right. Talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Yeah, it's the way politicians work, and this time it's the right thing to do.
First, we look like we support freedom, democracy (small d) and self-determination. That looks good for the future. But, for now, we can't take on yet another adopt-a-country project, and neither can anyone else. The alternatives are Gadaffy and anarchy. There is no alternative government that can be effective. The rebels know nothing about running a country which has known nothing but ruthless dictatorship for 30 years or more.
If Gadaffy falls, we end up with another breeding ground for terrorists, and a strong possibility of another Islamic "republic" like Iran. Gadaffy is a bad dream, but anything else is more likely to be a nightmare that won't go away for 20 years.
Gadhafi should hang on. The people who should not hang on are the people that allow Christians to be slaughtered. That would be the Iraqis, Afghans and Saudis. But Obama does the bidding of the Israeli masters.
What happens if he hangs on? I think his hanging on has already been determined. The answer is simple, the world sits back and watches while he slaughters all that the people that opposed him.
You people are living in a dream world. There is no 'democratic opposition' in Libya. There are tribes who benefited from Gadhafi and there are tribes who lost under Gadhafi. This fight is about reversing the current balance of power (the same way Gadhafi did 40+ years ago). Gadhafi makes the oil flow and is no friend to the most virulent form of anti-West militants. You can't hope for much more than that in this part of the world. U.S. involvement will only reinforce the impression that the White House is the king maker in the Arab World. So leave the 'Shores of Tripoli' to the Marine Corps Hymn, not the actual Marines.
Mr. Obama failed to support the Iranian people rebelling against the Islamist rule. Mr. Obama spoke out against a weak and easily toppled Egyptian government, when there remains a viable chance that an Islamist extremist (Muslim Brotherhood) government might come to power eventually. Mr. Obama gives lip-service to Libyan rebels, only as camouflage for his true support of a strong Islamist dictator, plus he hides behind the covering skirts of a U.N Security Council vote. Is this a set of dots to connect Mr. Obama to support of extremist Islamic rule? Remember to consider his coddling and subservient dealings with Islamic regimes prior to the the middle East unrest of 2011. I'm just sayin'...what if...
Germany is not going along with this. You are the same ‘repubs ‘who claim Germany has the best economy and why can't Obama be smart like them to fix America's economy-blah-blah.
But Germany abstains.
Just tell us why the President of America is the Police Commissioner of the world.
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wait your turn and i will blow a load of jizz on your face that might drown you!
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the koran is a farce
the bible is even worse!
buddha is a joke!
all religions are the single worst invention ever!
ban religion! world problems solved!
ps. i have a great drawing of mohammed blowing jesus while jesus teabags buddha! u gotta see it!
I can see Americans are very greedy.Why is there a lot of interest in Libya? Is Ghadaffi the only dictator in Africa? What about Ivory Coast and other countries? The greed for oil surprises me.Americans are very greedy and like to exploit poor countries.It even shows in Gloria bolgers face and Anderson coopers face when they are reporting.Well,I can see a lot of greed in USA and their media.That is all I have to say.It is all about oil and if AMerican is so concern about casualties and so on,let them go to Ivory Coast and the other dictators in Africa and if you cannot,KEEP YOUR MOUTHS SHUT and DON,T PRETEND YOU LOVE LIBYA A LOT CAUSE IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF GREED
Wrong view, wrong decisions, costly results for the West..... Imagine if Texas decided to separate itself from USA, will create an army and oppose the DC. It is pretty much the same what is happening in Africa now. Long time ago USA supported rebels in Afganistan when Soviets tried to wipe them out.... now US is dealing with same rebels in Afganistan, so it is all about someone interests while nobody wanted to see the future of these interests.... When rebels in Libya were taking control – West was waiting and waiting, now when rebels are seems to be defeated – West is on their site.... Was this we saw already in 2nd world war when West was waiting Soviets to defeat major German troops then opened a 2nd front to prevent Soviet expansion on the west? I see the interests in each step.
george bush started the usa back on this path
remember that great line from him-the one that basically initiated the worlds hatred of the usa?
youre either with us or against us!
what a loser he was and continues to be!
gwb will be the modern day equivalent of nero!
the usa is burning and the world sees it and knows it
but the usa does nothing to change course!
good riddance to the usa!
also,how come you never see that clip of bin laden stating that his goal was to bankrupt the usa?
he has won. the usa is bankrupt and bin laden won
accept it
Your propaganda is pathetic.
USA can not afford another war. Why Obama gets the Nobble Peace Prize? it does not make any sense, he promise to withdraw the troops, not to deploy.
Yes, he did promise, then he got his first national security and war briefing. The Obama team looked, by all reports, like their best friend just died when they left. It seems reality is not the same as political rhetoric. I give him credit for at least realizing that = no withdraw, no closing GITMO – because it was unwise. Wishing something so doesn't make it a wise thing.
americans suck!
accept it!
Whats a nobble ?
also, remember that gwb fled to avoid doing service!his daddy helped him with that!
which us prez had never left the usa before becoming prez?
who is the stupidest national leader in the history of mankind?!
who has only 2 brain cells!and they never get used!?
gwb will be the starting point when historians pore over and research why the superpower usa became a nonpower!?
bush jr and sr!
u brought this on urselves americans!
The question to be asked is what if Gadaffi does NOT hang on. Nobody knows for sure who these rebels are and who will take control of the country. Under Gadhafy, Libia was a steady source of oil for Europe, and posed no threat to the neighboring countries or to the world.
so you contend that as long as there is cheap oil flowing from lybia, it's ok for Gaddafi to kill his own people?
This is Obama's Kosovo – may it haunt him as Kosovo has haunted Clinton. Some mistakes are not worth repeating.
Um, Laura
Kosovo is now a free nation in part from the help of Bill Clinton.
Try again.
bush started this!accept it americanos!!!! u r getting what you deserve!
the world hates the usa!
Derp?
who has the bigger and thicker penis?
obama or ghadafi?
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Hmm, "the superpower feared by dictators in days gone by...." The limits and shortsightedness of such a mantra are predictable and produce the very quandry in which we now find ourselves. The "dictators" and "authoritarian" regimes (e.g., the "only democracy" in the Mid East, ha!) which fear us, are the ones we buy and bribe. They fear the day we might discontinue the economic largess dispensed to them.
For over 60 years now, several nations, who we have deemed to be "dictatorships," "evil," with 'authoritarian governments, and other such pejorative descriptions, refuse to be intimidated: Cuba, a poor nation, and certainly no threat, manages to provide free health care and education to all its citizens. It also manages, despite our boycott, to export yearly, 2 billion dollars worth of goods. (mostly, agricultural, manufactured goods and nickel) Not to speak of sending out doctors, technicians, athletes, and artists. 11% of our imported oil comes from Venezuela. Hu Jintao, has declared China will, whether applying communism or capitalism, apply such with "Chinese characteristics." The DPRK, has declared, no matter how difficult the road, their cultural heritage, steeped in "Juche," will sustain them. It has so far, despite our never ending predictions of collapse. The basic mantra in such nations is that they will NOT "do it our way or the highway." Might as well get used to it.
It is foolhardy for anyone to predict what can or will evolve anytime soon within the North African and Mid East nations. It could be a year or more before any recognizable stability appears. It is arrogance and hypocrisy for us to talk about citizens being killed while we are killing innocent men, women and children regularly in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And, the Cold Peace, heretofore "protecting" Israel, is over, and will not be reconstituted as before, if ever.
george w bush?
or
a rock?
which is smarter?
---------------------------------------------> the rock
gwb or a 'road apples'?
which is smarter?
the big pile of sh$t is smarter than george bush
At one level, western powers might think they won a victory at the illegitimate UN. But at a deeper level, Russian and Chinese abstention might be motivated to further weakening and driving the US in particular into even greater insolvency in yet another multibillion dollar military adventure. It seems like a play right out of Zbigniew Brzezinski hand book. Let your enemy kill himself in endless battles while you watch from the side line. This take patience and we know for sure the Chinese have a lot.
you got that right!
i have to agree with that poster spewing endless BS about the usa.
but he did get one thing right-GWB started us americans down a road that we will never recover from.
endless wars and ever- increasing funding costs. and we americans will be paying for this for the next century
thanks to bush!
You are right, China has other plan!
But in any case PLAN A, B or C does not involved military invention or no fly zone.
Chinese invasion comes in a different form!
Chery on top in Australia's fruit-bowl car market?
March/04/2011 Xinhui
The Australian car market may not be big, but it's about to be shaken to its foundations by the arrival of something entirely unexpected.
A cheap car that runs like an expensive one. In a country where roads are long and cars are expensive, the Chinese made Chery is about to carve a big question mark in an auto landscape dominated by and divided between traditional local, Japanese and European brands.
Daniel Cotteril of Ateco Automotive told Xinhua that Australian car buyers were notoriously conservative, traditionally seeking big cars with big brands, but that the mindset was changing and the entrance of Chery would add to that change. "Australian car buyers expect to get a lot of a car for not much money. That's partly a product of our very competitive market. We sell a million cars domestically but divided by over almost 60 manufacturers. Because it is a large country with wide-open space, we traditionally like large, powerful cars," Cotteril said.
The Chinese-made Chery hits the Australian market this week and like its South Korean and Japanese predecessors, it is expected to move slowly in the short term, before taking its place as a household name in the Australian market next to Kia, Mazda and Toyota.
Cotteril said that sales would potentially snowball. "We conservatively expect to sell, within the next months, a rate of 100-150 J1's per month and between 200-300 J11s through 45 dealers initially. That number will expand over the coming year and we would expect to see sales rise over time."
The surprise hit of the Australian market last year was the Chinese-made Great Wall, with strong marketing and a growing reputation as providing bang for the strong Australian dollar.
An automotive expert with a string knowledge of the Asian car industry, Cotteril suggested it is the growing strength and reputation of Chinese engineering, which will determine the success of the Chery, in a traditionally inward-looking and conservative auto market.
"The diversity of the Chinese car industry is not yet well understood in this country. If you go to the Beijing Motor Show as I did last year and you see the massive variety of cars they're increasing stylishness, complexity of the technology, the engineering - you're seeing an engineering powerhouse that the world doesn't quite understand yet."
Chery is one of a growing number of Chinese automakers, including SAIC Motor and Geely Automobile Holdings that hope eventually to be global players.
Chery shipped 91,986 vehicles overseas last year, equivalent to 13.5 percent of its overall sales, mostly to emerging markets in eastern Asia, Latin America and the Middle East.
The Chery J1 goes on sale Thursday for 11,990 Australian dollars ($12,195), roughly the same amount paid for a new Toyota Corolla in 1986.
The J11 compact SUV, which at 19,990 Australian dollars ($20,332) is the cheapest soft-roader on the market by a long hop. A price that not only includes all the plush add-ons like leather trim and air-conditioning, but with oil prices on the rise, might change the way Australians count their on-road dollars.
Why is this article written to sound as if it is President Obama's administration alone that must deal with this crisis?
UN is totally corrupt. UK and France have eyed Libyan oil and UN has authorised the crime. The powers to be will soon receive the just recompense from the Lion of Judah. The clock is ticking.
of course the UN is corrupt
but we americans are worse!
Herp derp?
What law is UN upholding? Definitely not the Law of the Universe. The tenth commandment says: You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbour.
Colonel Gadhafi is one of the top rulers in his region & will easily survive this pathetic uprising. His troops are committed to cleasing the Libyan cities or armed gangs, and I look forward to his success in the East in the coming days. Without Col. Gadhafi, there is no Libya.
Listen carefully, my friend.
The sounds you hear are: the noose tightening slowly around the neck of this megalomaniac barbarian, the sighs of the families of Lockerbie bombing victims and the cheers of Libyans who want nothing more than have a voice in the future destiny of their country.
It is a shame that it took so long. Its also a shame that no one has the guts to target a judiciously placed cruise missle in the Royal palace (or tent) and spare the world the trauma of more war.
Colonel Gadhafi is one of the top rulers in his region & will easily survive this pathetic uprising. His troops are committed to cleansing the Libyan cities of armed gangs, and I look forward to his success in the East in the coming days. Without Col. Gadhafi, there is no Libya.
The people's will endure over the longer run.I pray for the Libyans to get justice...
At the same time..
Why no one is talking about what is happening in Bahrain? Is it not legitimate??
"There are no permanent allies, no permanent friends, only permanent interests"
It’s appalling how UN have got their priorities "right". No resolutions to help Japanese people but the authorisation to bomb sovereign nation of Libya and increase destruction of property and loss of human lives has received the top priority. Helping Japanese population stricken by natural-human disaster brings no gain to the western countries. US ships have sailed of the shores of Japan while some towns and villages have not been reached by rescue workers since they had been devastated by tsunami. Babylon is in free fall morally and it will not stop until it's utterly destroyed without human hand.
Where to start.......mmmmmm
Dont need UN resolution to help Japan,
Each nation offers help and japan decides what is needed.
We dont just park our ships on Japans shore and waddle in on our own.
Japan tells us what we can do to help.
As for Lybia,...........FCK IT
its true, you cant fix stupid.
West is stinking and their stench has reached the throne of God calling for His just recompense.
What am after it is a dictator should learn how to save the lifes of it's citizen.I think gadafi should please reduce the way he is killing his children
It seems that Ghadafi wasn't given much of a choice
From another article: In Washington, U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said any departure from Libya of Gadhafi would not exempt him, his family or others from responsibility for their actions. “We are going to hold him accountable,” Crowley said.
I think I need someone to explain. If the result is the same if he stayed or if he left. Why wouldn't he just stay and fight it out. What would you do? Why are we continually asking questions that do not really matter. He's going to fight it out, not because he wants too, but because there is no other choice that was brought to the table or that is "allowed" by the U.N. or the U.S. I think different options for Ghadafi should be presented myself.
I hope that Ghadafi is hanged upside down in Tripoli square. That SOB sent millions of $$$$$ to the Palestinian militants in Lebanon back in the 70's so they could take the country and wipe the Christians from there. He publicly stated that either the Christians convert to Islam or leave to the West. This bum has tried to support every armed conflict he could get his dirty barbar hands on. Let the Libyan people suffer for their fathers mistakes of letting this tyrant stay in power. I hope the rebels hold on and the country gets divided or destroyed. Sadly though I do not see that the rebels will make it out victorious. Seems Ghadafi is going to make the Hama massacre look like a walk in the park.
On the USA side I think they should stay the heck out of other countries affairs for the time being. Seems to me the 1trillion$ bill for Iraq and Afghanistan is all the country can handle. Unless they feel the need to call up their buddies in the Fed reserve to tell them to make some more of that monopoly money for them. But, the US can't handle any more inflation.
If the EU really believes in humanity or democracy let them clean up their sandbox. But... just wait a sec, do a simple google search and see where most of Libya's oil is being exported to. The Europeans have already showed they will give up humanity for economic reasons (like every other country in the world).
Well... time to watch the fireworks over Benghazi. Nothing gets me going in the morning than drinking my cup of coffee and watching a good old bombing.
You see all... What I don't understand is – WHY EUROPE, THE US, AND ALL THE OTHER EU OR UN CRAP has to stick their fingers in the Arab world? What the hell has Obama to do with them ? Or the other EU representatives from France, UK etc?
"President Obama must now confront a question that was unthinkable two weeks ago: How should he deal with a post-rebellion Gadhafi?" – Are you kidding me? What does he have to do with Libya and their people? Leave the Arab world alone ONCE AND FOR ALL .
This is a message to the US and EU. DO NOT STICK YOUR FINGERS WHERE THEY SHOULD NOT GO. LOOK AT YOUR OWN COUNTRIES AND TAKE CARE OF THEM .
What France and other countries just want to do is steal the GAS & OIL of Libya.
If the NATO and US invade Libya , there will be same consequences as in Iraq. Actually all they want to do to Libya is what they did to Iraq.
It's been 7 years since Iraqi regime has been changed, and how they live? Look at Iraq, they should have been a prosperous state now, but instead they eat dirt rather than food.
The US is already hated by most of the World, don't keep doing the same mistake over and over Americans .
You should not I say again stick into someone others affairs. Leave other countries alone and start taking care of your people .
~ Mark, Italy
News like this makes me wonder does USA knows what she is doing there? But then OIL looks so enticing or what the heck? Appears that the African Union have outrightly reject US roles!
We should lay our bet on which country is USA going to borrow more money to PLAY, PLAY from?
Japan would not be very enthusiastic lender nowadays? Maybe Hilliary Clinton may be on the next flight to Beijing!
African Union demands 'immediate' halt to Libya attacks
AFP March 19, 2011
NOUAKCHOTT (AFP) – The African Union's panel on Libya Sunday called for an "immediate stop" to all attacks after the United States, France and Britain launched military action against Moamer Kadhafi's forces.
After a more than four-hour meeting in the Mauritanian capital, the body also asked Libyan authorities to ensure "humanitarian aid to those in need," as well as the "protection of foreigners, including African expatriates living in Libya."
It underscored the need for "necessary political reforms to eliminate the causes of the present crisis" but at the same time called for "restraint" from the international community to avoid "serious humanitarian consequences."
The panel also announced a meeting in the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa on March 25, along with representatives from the Arab League, the Organisation of Islamic Conference, the European Union and the United Nations to "put in place a mechanism for consultation and concerted action" to resolve the Libyan crisis.
The AU committee on Libya is composed of five African heads of state. But the Nouakchott meeting was only attended by the presidents of Mauritania, Mali and Congo. South Africa and Uganda were represented by ministers.
The committee said it had been unable to get international permission to visit Tripoli on Sunday but did not elaborate.
Libyan generosity and Moamer Kadhafi's role in the creation of the African Union could explain the continental cautious stand, experts said.
The AU was born in the 1999 Sirte Declaration, named after a summit hosted by Kadhafi in his hometown on the Libyan coast.
The declaration said its authors felt inspired by Kadhafi's "vision for a strong and united Africa."
"The AU as an organisation has benefited significantly from Kadhafi's wealth," said Fred Golooba Mutebi of the Institute of Social Research at Kampala's Makerere University.
The pan-African body has taken a firmer stance on three west African crises: most recently Ivory Coast and previously Guinea and Niger.
Handouts aside, Libya has invested billions of dollars in sub-Saharan Africa.
It has interests in more than two dozen African countries, while its petroleum refining and distribution unit Oil Libya has interests in at least as many.
Libyan telecommunications unit LAP Green is present in five countries in the region and expanding rapidly.
The African Union was set up to help dictators stay in power.
You get my back, i got yours.
Ha Ha
That is a suspicion is based on the fact that Oil rich Libya has been acting generously and habitually pays the dues of some of its poorer members who are in arrears. This is in sharp contrast to a belligerent and demanding USA who is a huge debtor and habitually miss its contribution to the UN but insists on UN spending its money to employ PEACEKEEPERS after her reckless military adventurism and unfinished business.
Based on what you says, it looks like USA has has ignored the whole African continents which includes South Africa, Mozambique, Kenya, Cameroon, etc or rightly the entire African community.
USA deserved to get credit for its action. She is now the world only POLICEMAN, an UNWANTED role who find no respects or popular support among the world community. Good luck.
NEED more FUNDS for her military adventurism and exactly like the period before WW1 just before the Great Depression, USA needs to justify NEW round of increases in her citizen income taxes or send her emissary to borrow from one across the pacific. Ha Ha.
Troll killer or is it as case of "Stupid is as Stupid does" in action.
And I also agree with the top commenter , Blake.
Col. Gaddafi is one of the top rulers in the World, not just his region. These armed gangs will pay for their murders and attempts to destroy peoples lives over there.
If you have all seen one of those videos where THE OPPOSITION FORCE IN LIBYA IS KILLING PEOPLE AND TAKING THEIR HEARTS OUT AND WAVING WITH THEIR ORGANS AROUND, KICKING DEAD BODIES AND SAYING ALLAH IS GREAT, AND IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE THEN SURE GO TO LIBYA. BUT GADDAFI REMEMBER, WAS THE ONE WHO WAS KEEPING THE WATERS CLEAR OF IMMIGRANTS AND TERRORISTS COMING TO EUROPE THROUGH ITALY.
Here, take a look at the Libyan TV website, and open the video named " Martyrs' bodies burning and mangling " .
You will see the opposition force there burning and ripping organs out of Libyan youths that were supporting Gaddafi. That is a real shame, killing and mutilating bodies like that . Do you want those people to rule Libya and then make their way to Europe and perhaps US?
http://en.ljbc.net/facts.html
Open the video : Martyrs' bodies burning and mangling
You will see a blond man, having a mans heart (organ) in his hand and waving it around .
Then think and see by yourself if Gaddafi should just watch like that or attack and free his cities of these rebel wild Al Qaeda animals.
Long life Libya and Col. Gaddafi.
I totally agree with Mark.
Imagine the guys in the Libyan military communication centers. Sitting there waiting for the cruise missiles to hit.
Think I would call in sick.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12774152
The United States has its own problems. We cannot afford more war at this time. Thank you for your continued interest in attempting to ruin us. However, perhaps another nation could better suit your needs. This is not a good fit.
I want every American citizen to look closely at the photograph inset in this new report and take in for a moment the gun in the Libyan rebel's hands. That gun was purchased with your tax dollars.
Do you have one?
What does the Second Amendment say?
Do you have one?
What does our government tell you about owning guns on a consistent basis that we hear in the news – how bad it is for gun ownership in America.
What does the Second Amendment say?
Do you have one?
This Libyan rebel owns your gun and your Second Amendment rights paid by your tax dollars and publicly displayed in your face internationally on television and the Internet.
i have plenty of guns. ...what's your point?
Out of military point of view Colonel Gaddafi and his regime have courage and they don't want the world to remember them as cowards. France and Britain are the driving forces behind the resolution. It looks as if Cameron and Sarkozy want to pay Gaddafi back for the humiliation they suffered. They are declaring war on him and we will be witnessing an interesting time ahead of us. I still beliebve Colonel Gaddafi will survive the crisis.
I must stay of thesis to stop infulproperty affect name to Gaddafi like man with out sense. Democracy in this region can by aplying self in Libya only in exist system. Democracy is a not absolutly freedom and chaos. This is a self organization of the people of rbetter safety economy for better solution for all citizens.
In this a situation pressing to all side of a conflict for aplyying pacyfic negotoation and began discution for a democracy shape is better like support only one way.
Vote for one way is dommain of a citizens of Libya. We can take support in the standards and lerning and promotion of the negotiation and give to the strong message , but we accept system for all Libiand citizens were based on the negotiation. All citozens should have pleace in own state, even now stay on poles different possition. This a difficultis this a situation, brainwasch to the stop destroy own state for the adwance of a created better commone futher.
I have humble suggest to promote evolution , not revolution, and take stronge nessage to take support for this solution.
Hillary Clinton's jowls are sagging way down around her neck. They bag-jiggle when she talks.
He will die... Because the People will win in the long run!!!
The opposition has reminded repeatedly that America will be a friendly to the U.S. and a friendly American flag will fly along a new TOTALLY FREE LIBYAN flag! America must help them bring this murder of families and babies to justice!
There is no cease fire, the Gadhafi murderers are killing people to gain ground before the Allies help the Freedom fighters of Libya.
What if????? It sounds like he's kind of winning to me...
I don't like the guy, and I'm not a Democrat, but not getting directly involved was the right move. If the US supported one side, that side would immediately be labeled as a US puppet and have no credibility.
The U.S. just needs to attack and invade and takeover the countries that are a threat to democracy and the U.S. People need to stop messing with us and other democracies. People have certain unalienable rights that are given to them when they are bored.
Tell me something Lee,did you ever finish high school? It doesn't appear that way from your comment above. There's no glory in war and never will be,only heartache for those cought up in the middle of it.
France? What France thinks matters? Isn't France the country that said, "Screw you Americans, oh wait, here come the Germans!!! Hello Americans Hello... Care for some wine?"
And this Sarkozy wants to fight Mohammar Qadaffi using our troops to satisfy his vendetta against him. France already has a powerful military so let him use it instead,but he won't,knowing what fools the right-wing thugs in Washington are!!!
Hey Larry
Do you know how to read ?
No US Boots on the ground.
I see you on many comment pages always shouting the same
lying BS.
What we need is a huge asteroid to hit directly on Gaza and literally wipe out the middle east as we know it. Other countries may or may not survive, but aren't we playing the same russian roulette type game anyway?
I am not American but I feel most Middle Eastern and North African Muslim people have an unfair view and no repect of what the US have done for them. When they needed help they turned to the U.S. when they didn't they sing the similar tune ..America get out...,down Americans, etc. This is an act of betrayal of your friends. Look at how much US did for Afganistan? I didn't say the Iraq invasion is right but what are your opions about the lives of Iraqi people under Saddam Hussein regime and now (without terrorism atcs from their own people of course )?
Tell me honestly...What country you would turn to when you need help for democracy? When there is a disaster in a country what country would be the first coming to to help?
Are you trying to be funny,Tomn? Look at what we did to Iraq,for instance,they never asked to get invaded and see 1.2M of their countrymen perish nor do the Afghans want us in their country,either. This country desperately needs to learn how to mind it's own business and that's that!!!
Why we call Libyan opposition – rebels???? Wouldn't be "freedom fighters" more appropriate?
Looks to me UN pilots needs a little history lesson from prez. R. Reagan brilliant military intervention....bomb Khadafi's palaces,government and military buildings but not single tank here and there.
What if Gadhfi hangs on? Don't F#@$*'ing let him!
It was hilarious to hear an Arab academic warn CNN and US politicians against any type of intervention in Libya. He implied that ANY civilian casualties caused by intervention by western forces would eventually galvanize Arab opinion against the intervention because it would be seen as the Western Imperialism. Also , he stated that he was afraid that Khadafi's forces had enough time to entrench themselves in civilian held areas – in order to prompt the MOST civilian casualties during the intervention.
So.....the west....France, US , UK and Canada ( and ironically ..the UAE) will finally know what it feels like to be Israelis....to have to confront forces (terrorists like Hamas) who INTENTIONALLY use civilians as shields. Perhaps then, when they do their utmost to avoid civilian casualties...(and (unfortunately) casualties STILL occur), these countries will be less quick to condemn the IDF for the way they conduct war.
War is a terrible business. But it is made even more terrible when terrorists like Hamas and Hezbollah and Dictators like Khadafi sacrifice the lives of their own innocent people in an attempt to retain power.
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He is ready to act after country was already subjected to civil war and burned to the ground...after he implemented via United Nations prohibition of air space usage allowing use exclusively to Gaddafi's air attacks and destruction of rebel army while at the same time prohibiting assistance from already liberated neighboring countries..and why !? Because rebel army didn't tolerate Jewmerican corruption and therefore rebels needed to be destroyed to extend when those will seat at negotiation table with Jewmerica. LIBERATORS WILL ENSLAVE REBELS BY PUSHING FORWARD GREAT ISRAEL'S AGENDA AND OWN OIL $$
Madness. This is Clinton's ambition to give meaning to her tenure. Who's more mad - Clinton or Gadhafi? The women, Samantha Power and Rice, were not that impressive. Now Clinton. Clinton is out of her element in foreign affairs. She would have served better on the Supreme Court dealing with domestic issues. I have to admit to confusion. I associated Clinton with the mainstream Jewish powerbrokers. But the Jews seemed to also have thrown caution to the wind. The Western bombing is a human tsunami unleashed on Libya. Is there something the public is not being told? Otherwise, lunacy. The American government is incompetent. We have major problems right here. Why are we helping the crazy French Jewish intellectuals grab for power? Gadhafi, not all women are crazy for a French intellectual. Please, some of us understand you, Gadhafi, are protecting us from the even nuttier people who are going to kill us. What is really going on? I thought Gadhafi was on our payroll? This is the stupid American women diplomats hooking up with the nutty French Jewish bookworms.
America under the "leadership" of Obama is of full of rhetoric, inconsistencies and double standards. He obviously errs in his interpretation of the history of American involvement in the Middle East in assessing the dangers of American involvement in the Libyan crisis. Unlike other previous events, the Libyan crisis caught everyone by surprise. More so, if one takes into account the brutal grip of the Libyan madman had on his people. It wasn't an event preceded by Western instigation.
Obama's indecisiveness and misplaced caution has in fact created a more difficult situation for the coalition forces now and also more innocent lives to be lost which could have been avoided.
So, Obama, please don't talk rhetorically of Gaddafi must go when you don't mean it, just because American lives are not at stake. Libyans are. This is not a presidential campaign. You may have meant good, but the next time, please THINK.
I hear the fear of "whats the end game." Remember there are two UN resolutions not just one.The No Fly and use force to prevent civilian deaths is the latest. The first was stop aggression against peaceful protestors. He killed people praying to keep them from protesting. I believe the end game is, he will ne tried in The Hauge as a war criminal. That is the end hame for Gadahfi. He cannot lead his country if he is wanted . The second resolution is the use of force which allows the UN to go get him. He may run and hide but if he does the people of libya are free to descide their own future. .
Here's how it will play out, as it does in every Middle Eastern country with oil where the US takes military action: We take a leading military role. Russia and China condemn the military action. The US is accused of being only in it for the oil, so it takes the opposite position and makes no deals. In the meantime, Russia and China quietly make huge deals for cheap oil, and the US is screwed again.
Rene, i am truly sorry for your stupidity.
Then let print her post here and see what you are so sorry about?
Rene wrote:
Well said! The UN should be dismantled; all it does is rubber stamp American wars of aggression. We should refrain from interfering in other countries business. The billions we spend on weapons we could spend on education, infrastructure, and healthcare. The US should not let itself be influenced by that diminutive clown Sarkozy.
Mmmm... All I see is an American taxpayer expressing her dismay and opinion over how her money should be rightfully spend educating the posterity is now insulted and called "STUPID".
Are the American regard as gracious and charming people on the planet or the most rude and pretentious?
The excuse this time is to help to remove a ruthless dictator just to discover that in the future he is merely replaced by another dictator who will be sponsored by the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Council this time.
"Stupid is as Stupid does" certainly holds some truth.
Ha Ha Troll killer. Huh! Ha Ha Ha
This is the start of ww3
The american government is starting a war! Once russia steps in the yanks are going to get royally screwed
It is not the Americans starting a war. It is the UK and France. There were other ways to stop Gaddafi besides this ugly madness of attacking a country where there is much poverty, illiteracy, and suffering. If the coalition forces can use the money for this war to end poverty, then the world would be a better place. I do not particularly like the position of the US in this. I mean u either play a full role in a war or dont take part at all. It doesnt make sense to say you are playing a limited role because it just creates confusion. Some how the US allowed themselves to be dragged into the use of military force by europe and the UK
This world is crazy, but I want peace, we all can live a quiet life.
great good article!
Wow the results of "virtual" democrary. It's pathetic that so many people have lost their lives in the Middle East wave of so called democratic revolutions; this adds up to a manipulation of the ME masses by western media short sightedness. I say this because western media and politicians, in regards, keep talking about democracy, liberty and other tenets of Americanism but in every breath cheapen the value of such words, not every mentioning that each are the result of a process that "can't" be handed to anyone, anyway but must be earned by struggle over generations — not to mention that many of the gulity in this matter would call themselves patriotic too — unfortunately, the blood is on the west hands now.
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