The Director of International Survey Research at Pew Global Attitudes Project, James Bell, thinks not. Recent Pew survey data shows the Chinese are much more optimistic about their future than the Egyptians were:
"…While the Egyptian and Chinese publics rated their current lives comparably, Chinese reported much more personal progress over the past five years and much more optimism looking ahead.
"The prevailing feeling in Egypt was one of losing ground. In fact, between 2007 and 2010, the number of Egyptians reporting a low quality of life doubled, suggesting that in the lead-up to this year's popular revolt frustrations may have been mounting not only with respect to democratic yearnings, but in terms of personal aspirations.
"By contrast, nearly two-thirds of Chinese judged their lives to be better than five years ago....
"The Chinese were decidedly upbeat about the future as well. In spring 2010, 74% believed their lives would be better in five years – an impressive level of optimism compared with opinions in the U.S. and Western Europe. In Egypt, only 23% anticipated a higher quality of life, while 40% predicted a lower quality. In China, just 6% believed their lives would worsen over the next five years."
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Color me skeptical. The Chinese government is notorious in going to any length to manage international perceptions of the country. Why would this survey be any different? Especially, if it is conducted by an outside organization. What was the methodology used? Does the survey sample set realistically represent a cross-section of Chinese society, including the poor, which make up more than 50% of the population?
This poll was conducted by Pew Research, which is US-based and is one of the most reliable polling organizations around. The fact that the Chinese government even allows such polling from a foreign organization speaks volumes, and this would have been unthinkable even 10 years ago. China has changed dramatically in recent years, but Americans still think it's like it was during the Cultural Revolution. The people running China right now were purged during the Cultural Revolution for advocating dangerous ideas like market reforms and democracy. For almost 10 years now, candidates running for election in China don't even have to be members of the Communist Party, and conditions are continuing to improve. China finally seems to have gotten itself on the right track, but they still have a ways to go.
Yes, this is the same country that has a Nobel Peace Prize winner under arrest. The same country that has hundreds of missles pointed at tiny Taiwan. The same country that considers Dalai Lama to be a dangerous criminal. They make lucrative economic deals with repressive dictators. They are inexplicably building a deep water navy, gen 5 attack planes & high tech anti ship & anti satellite missles. Their hackers are regularly attacking all sorts of western targets.
They still have quite a way to go.
@ M Tully (aka. CIA agent for smear campaign):
Yes, China was the country that was drugged and looted by Americans and Europeans during Opium War, discriminated by Chinese Exclusion Act, never offered any apology by the West for any of the crimes. Ironically all these Opium War, Chinese Exclusion Act happened before PRC in 1949. Since 1949, all you racist bitches dare not publicly discriminate/hate Chinese any more, so you invented a new tactic to glorify slave owner Dalai Lama, CIA spy Xiaobo Liu – the U.S. Gov financed "Nobel Peace" winner whose name you can't even spell. Such great moral leaders as you, CIA has to get rid of WikiLeaks to stop the U.S. dirty war crimes to go public.
FYI, not a single foreign citizen was ever killed by Chinese soldiers for any cause. Now go count the bodies of Iraqis and Afganistans murdered by the U.S. for "freedom, human rights". Shame on you!!
America wasn't involved int he Opium wars you moron. And China is also paying their natinoalists to post comments here trying to twist history. Another bad bad on their poopie country.
How did China soldiers not kill anyone? When they invaded Vietnam (took heavy losses and were pushed back), attacked India, and even skirmished with Russia over land. Lies, lies, and more Chinese lies. Poopie!
Haha Racists and CIA agents, go read about Opium war here and tell me that USA isn't involved:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars
Tell me how many foreign civilians were killed by the West in the past and present times, before you exaggerate a few dissidents in China;
Tell me whether most countries on Earth had some border conflicts in the past 60 years;
Tell me what happened to Russia after they believed your lies, and how much Russians appreciate Americans' and Europeans' "freedom, human rights";
Tell me how the U.S. and Western Europe fell into financial crisis with your superb "free, democratic" system;
Tell me how many overseas Chinese say they are strongly discriminated;
Racists are racists. Must be hard for you to hear some real Chinese voice. Your racist smear campaign don't work any more.
Chinese are the most racist society on earth. They think they are superior.
@China soil is greasy:
You finally showed your ugly racist nature. Your name says it all.
China existed for more than 5000 years and will continue to exist till the end of humanity. Hating 1.3 billion hard-working Chinese is your choice, and it'll cost you dearly. I for one will hunt down you racist bitches. Game on ...
Dear M Tullys Daddy. China has been heavily involved in both the Korean and Vietnamese war. Without Chinese involvement, there would have been far fewer casualties on both sides. Not that I really care, but your history is heavily skewed. I also remember not too long ago China charging families for the bullets used to kill their kids that were in the last Chinese protests.
Btw, I know first hand how terrible Chinese business people are. Good luck in an ever changing economy going forward. You had offered the world cheap goods, now that things are more expensive... what's going to happen? I know our company stopped manufacturing in China and have started assembling in Vietnam for the same price China USED to charge.
Also, buying existing companies is not a viable long term plan, since the economy is so dynamic. Also, companies that have relations with China are pulling out because everything manufactured there "somehow" gets stolen with government approval. I know I will never have to deal with China again in business.
But keep running your mouth off at China's greatness.
@Joe:
Great CIA tactic of diverrting topic. Did any of my posts say "China is great"? Read them again!! I was asking the truthfulness of "advice" from the countries that invaded and discriminated Chinese.
So answer me: what's Opium War? What's Chinese Exclusion Act? What's happening in Iraq, Afganistan? What happened to Russia?
Stop playing games. I know your tactics, thanks to my decades of experience of being discriminated in the U.S.!!
so the work thief thinks that CIA is responding to his stupid comments?
if the USA is so bad why don't you leave? More trade secrets to steal? too lazy to learn them on your own? Lazy work thief!
there is nothing lazier than stealing the work of another society... the truth hurts
@China soil is greasy:
answer my questions, apologize for your sins!!
i dont answer to a lazy work thief..
@China soil is greasy:
enough said racist bitch. You only set moral rules for others, and yourself are above all, the supreme species!!
@M Tully: "...They make lucrative economic deals with repressive dictators. They are inexplicably building a deep water navy, gen 5 attack planes & high tech anti ship & anti satellite missles..." Are you talking about China? or the US? So it's ok if the US does these to secure its national interest, but bad bad bad if the Chinese do it? Help me understand this, no seriously, do you really believe the US is always so high and right? I wonder why the US is not intervening in the crackdown of protests in Bahrain, but is all huffy and puffy in Libya. Is it perhaps it serves its own selfish interests? Come on, the US is never the saint either.
China is clearly seeking the status of a major world power and is investing in things (like modern military power) that they feel are necessary to achieve that. China has also clearly liberalized its economy, though there is still a significant level of central planning/control and it suffers (like Russia) from major levels of systemic corruption and extreme income disparity including the ongoing presence of a very large peasant class.
However, it is also clear that China has made _no_ moves to liberalize its political system, which remains very repressive and authoritarian. It isn't clear how much further the recent economic successes in China can go without some level of political liberalization, and the ruling powers have explicitly indicated that they have no interest in that.
Thats good if you think that way, but I believe you need to learn more about China because what you said is baseless.
China is changing but not like you said. Hope we will see changes in China like you said.....
@ M. Tully: China is building a deep water navy and you consider this to be an example of their lack of liberal values and democracy because... only America is allowed to have the worlds largest navy... or is America a dictatorship too? They point missiles at Taiwan... you mean that island where their enemy who they have yet to ever agree to peace with and fought a long and destructive civil war against resides... how many missiles has America or the West launched into Afghanistan, that small poor nation, or Iraq, or Libya, how many missiles point at North Korea, and Iran... another example of lack of liberal values? Maybe China is evil becaue it supports dictators... like Saudi Royal family... no America again, I wonder where the forces for democracy are in Yemen, I think they are supplying the arms to the Saudi army helping to gun down protestors. Maybe think about American policy before you seek to make the case that China is somehow evil. Even in Libya the West is simply performing regime change, unless a 'no-fly zone' is supposed to mean 'air strikes in support of one side over the other.' Honestly this looking down on China as being evil and repressive really sounds ridiculous when done from the stance of 'the US is the worlds upholder of liberal values democracy law blah blah.' Not saying China is great, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone, maybe Americans should be more concerned about their own governments actions that what life is like in China
@ mtullys dad. If it wasn't for the US you would be speaking Japanese right now. Funny how in all of your comments bashing the US and claiming we hung you out to dry and you fail to mention that "little" detail. We weren't even in the war yet, and we didnt want to be. But we still helped you. Hope your govt and people remember that. Do they even teach pre 1949 history in china"?
M Tully, thank you for your posts. I believe you have earned the couple dollars being paid to you by the Chinese government to post positive things about China. I'm gonna guess that I've spent a lot more time in China than you've spent outside of China. For now, you strike me as an impotent little man filled with rage about something he's never experienced – the West. China has made great strides in the last 10 years, but all of that is still in the catch-up phase from when it destroyed the lives of millions of its citizens to follow a false ideology. Now, the government is still trying to figure out how to let people have money w/o losing control over them. That will only work for so long, than it will be another Tiananmen Square. Stop crying over what happened hundreds of years ago and maybe you'll see that the only reason the Chinese gov't is offering some freedoms is because the West offer so many more.......
The Chinese Government has allowed this poll?? Obviously, under condition that only the groups selected by them would be asked!! As already Zizewitz mentioned: the bulk of the population, earning less than $ 100 pe month, minimal social services, the workers in the factories being persons coming from their homes in the poorest provinces, living in collective dormitories, buying their supplies from company owned stores, sending 20-30% of their miserable earnings to their home and during the festivity periods as New Year travelling like cattle by railroad to be able to spend a few days with their families, HAVE TOLD THAT THEIR STANDARD OF LIFE IS HIGH OR MEDIUM??
Mr. James Bell is either very poorly qualified or most probably, is acting willingly as a agent of the communist regime.
M Tully...You might very well be a Chinese government plant on this board...you protest a bit *too* much.
I hope they have a revolution. I hope they collapse within. They are poisoning the world.
@bob:
Your family will collapse long before Chinese. Now stick your ugly racist head up your own ass!
@RobertOKUSA:
Must be hard for you to hear from Chinese Americans disagreeing with you, isn't it? Freedom of speech? Freedom up your ass!!
@abc chinaman:
Your name says you are a racist. CIA was aggressively recruiting Chinese-speaking Asians in recent years. Guess they must pay you well.
BUT you still CAN"T get white chicks, thanks to your country's smear campaign against Asians, not just Chinese.
Simple barometer....how many Chinese leave China to live elsewhere, and how many US citizens do the same. You can bicker for days, but it doesn't take much more than this number to get a sense of the situation in each.
@Joe Smith:
You can ask the same about Indians, the Irish coming to the U.S. 100 years ago, and the Whites coming to America, Australia, South Africa, ...
@M Tully's Daddy
HA! A Chinese talking about SINS!... Best not let your governement catch wind of that... Are you RELIGIOUS? Are you trying to secretly spread a religious agenda that may potentially undermine the power of the Communist party? Wow!
M Tully's Daddy you are brave but you must be more careful!...
All China man I know of are poor, inferior and no good. And I don't think China will be any good whether revolution or not. They probably will screw up more, I heard their ex-president was in jail for selling banks, land and government posts to pocket himself. Hahaha, a land of no tomorrow.
@WorryNot:
Hey Indian troll, you know the castle system in India, right? The northern Indian states wanting to join China, right? The feud between India and its neighbours like Parkistan, Bangladesh, etc, right? Go eat more curry, 'cause your brain is totally fucked up, dark-skin!!
M Tully: Right now the People's Republic of China government has good relations with the Republic of China on Taiwan government.
The PRC would use the missiles if the ROC declared it was "not a part of China" and cause the PRC government to lose face. The ROC government knows that, so they say "we are China" but are not a part of the PRC government, and the PRC saves face
This conversation is hilarious! Some parts would make a great SNL skit.
Serious issues at hand though. Let's all work to be more educated... and maybe a little kinder to one another?
The Chinese have never killed foreigners? The Chinese admit the Tibetans are not Chinese, but some how the only land the Tibetans have ever lived on is Chinese! And always has been! The same with the Uighurs and the Mongolians! They have been part of China forever? Funny how all of these foreign people disagree! Look at the Great Wall, built to keep the foreigners out. Why is it hundreds of miles from the Chinese border?
Wow to the OP, does the Chinese government have some of your family held somewhere or are you a part of the party elite that lives well on the backs of the working class, much like the west. Nice to see that the regime has it's apologists out on the internet keeping up appearences.
It is the poor in China that are most optimistic. They are very poor compared to the rich, to be sure, but they know they are much richer now than 10 years ago. They know that their standard of living will continue to improve.
the Chinese are brainwashed into believing in their future.. and most people know that optimism encourages growth and production and can perpetuate....
You are belittling people's thinking and decision making abilities by saying they are "brainwashed" conveniently. Who is not
"brainwashed" somewhat because they are born into a different society, living in different culture and environment? The bad thing is the attitude of self-righteousness and arrogance.
Thanks for raising a very accurate point, James. Anyone who understand communism or has lived under communism would know that any answer received from the people living in a communist country should be taken with a grain of salt. No one dares to say anything negative. No one would want to risk arrest and prison for telling anything that the communist state would not want one to say. The Chinese could not have a revolution because the police lives right among the people and watches everyone's every move. Communist has created a society where no one dares to trust anyone. It is a very scary. So, revolution is very difficult to be planned. But, They would if they could.
You have a point but you also need to keep cultural context in mind. Japan and S. korea are democracies and they're also you're typical east asian nation with east asian culture. Even with a democracy, the same group of people are always "voted into power".
the reason Japan has been politically and economically stagnant is because the people accept it, EVEN WITH the power to vote.
"they dare not say anything against government"? this is one of the biggest lies I have seen and still believed by many!!!!!!
Kindly go to China.com or any other major chinese website to find out the truth.
@Anne Lu, you are just one of those Chink liars. I have been working in China for many years, never heard of any secrect police. All the people I know talk freely about anything wrong with the government and society. As a matter of fact, the Chinese police are among the most polit among the countries that I have traveled. None of them seems even carry guns.
I am a Chinese. It's really amazing to see that the methods adopted by Gaddafi have been adopted by the Chinese Comunist for a long time. Gaddafi learning from the communist or communist learning from Gaddafi? I don't know, The only thing I know is that they are the lowest of anything human nature. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Deng.... All should go to the lowest layer of the garbage dump.
All the chinese students from China that I speak to have been pretty happy. They're not 100% happy with China but they DO see vast improvements. In general, asians are less likely to gripe about every little thing and more focused on personal improvement. That's why in english, we say "good luck", while in chinese, they say "work hard".
"work hard!" That's cool. I like that better. Asians are generally some pretty industrious dudes! I don't like everything about Asian culture, but I respect many things about them.
China is making waves everywhere in the world. It is surrounded by countries who either hate or fear China. India, Russia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, The Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Mongolia, Tibet, Cambodia, Indonesia, and Australia. India is playing a very clever game of maintaining near Chinese growth rates while making no waves. The case against doing business with China grows stronger every day while India, who also speaks English, waits in the wings for the mass transfer of manufacturing by industrialized nations. The day when Chinese growth rates dip below 5% will be greeted by unrest and internal chaos sparked by an enraged lower class who has had little share in the wealth accumulation of the past twenty years. No amount of surplus will quell the unrest and DFI will fall silent as a result. India, a friend of the West, will emerge as the Powerhouse in the region much to the relief of its neighbors and other emerging and industrialized nations. The Indian diaspora scattered throughout the world will ensure the steady growth of the Indian economy as people turn people turn away from that supplied by China as they are simply unwilling to support what China stands for anymore, winning at any cost.
In your dreams, Indian troll!! Hey Liz Hurly just filed for divorce from that Indian curry-smell-dark-skin, after sleeping around with a million white men and spending the ugly Indian's money. Still the Indian sucker is looking for a white girl, not his Indian dark-skin peers. Go figure, curry-eater. You may have thicker skin, but have some shame too!!
I think it is appropriate to say"USA", not "China" who is making waves around the world. And the worst kind, with bullets, rockets, missiles, bombs. And all these are done in the name of "humanity, freedom, democracy"
Why don't India make the head wave at the first place? I mean when you have such large democracy, and speaks such good English? And last checked, your wages are way lower than that of China. What is wrong with you, that you will need to sneaking behind China?
WorryNot WorryNot....China is making waves everywhere in the world. It is surrounded by countries who either hate or fear China. India, Russia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, The Philippines, Taiwan, Vietnam, Mongolia, Tibet, Cambodia, Indonesia, and Australia. India is playing a very clever game of maintaining near Chinese growth rates while making no waves. The case against doing business with China grows stronger every day while India, who also speaks English, waits in the wings for the mass transfer of manufacturing by industrialized nations. The day when Chinese growth rates dip below 5% will be greeted by unrest and internal chaos sparked by an enraged lower class who has had little share in the wealth accumulation of the past twenty years. No amount of surplus will quell the unrest and DFI will fall silent as a result. India, a friend of the West, will emerge as the Powerhouse in the region much to the relief of its neighbors and other emerging and industrialized nations. The Indian diaspora scattered throughout the world will ensure the steady growth of the Indian economy as people turn people turn away from that supplied by China as they are simply unwilling to support what China stands for anymore, winning at any cost.
Just imagine if US is bordering with so many countries during so many years, how may wars and border conflict will have occurred? I got the impression that the culture represented by us could be so arrogant, so barbaric, so disgusting, that as if they could dominate the world once they decide: what is "democracy", what is "right", what is "freedom"!
That's funny because the US government is notorious in going to any length to manage international perceptions of other countries should be viewed. If the Chinese are happy, leave them alone.
Being living there for 4 years (Shanghai) and having manage to travel across China, I can tell you, that the opportunities in China outpace any other countries in the world! The US and western countries should fear what China is about to unleash... Their economic dynamism is unheard of, in Human history! In Shanghai alone, you can see hundreds of construction cranes, creating new buildings. Sky scrapers there, are made to last 10 years, then they destroy it and built anew! The economy there, is crazy! You can see new constructions everywhere, and even city maps needs to be purchase every year to keep pace with the structural changes there! Compare to China, our economy is dwindling, our structures collapsing, our streets filty dirty and the prospect of retirements at 60's null! No wonder they feel more confident than before...
It should also be pointed out that the Chinese people have a certain attitude toward their government that Egyptians do not have. Unlike other countries, Chinese public officials are perceived more as guardians and the embodiment of the state rather than the people themselves. Confucianism, which is experiencing something of a revival, stresses the importance of government authority in public affairs, which consequently causes the Chinese government to err on the side of stability and cultural unity rather than civil liberties. Consider that when the Nobel Prize was awarded to Liu Xiaobo, over 70 percent of Chinese polled had no idea who he was or the fact that he had been thrown in jail! Over 75 percent of Chinese believed the Nobel Prize to be some kind of farce, and the Chinese government managed to talk over 15 different countries out of attending the ceremony right before awarding their own "Confucius Award"! Clearly, the idea of popular sovereignty and rule of law in China has taken a back seat to state sovereignty and rule by law.
I find it rather dubious that the Chinese people are more willing today than they were back in 1989 to trade their prosperity for a bougeois "democracy". Again,I could be wrong but I'd rather eat than vote any day. Even in this country voting is somewhat of a farce as the MIC(military-industrial-complex) controls the majority of our politicians. Yet we preach democracy as the best form of government through our own arrogance and self-righteousness.
As if you have to choose between eating and voting. What a stupid brain washed society you must live in! I am glad I'm not Chinese!
You are not Chinese, because you are a Chinese-hating racist
Chinese is both a nationality and a race. The Chinese government takes great steps to confuse these two, to help cover up its ugly history
Then please enlighten me: why Opium war and Chinese Exclusion Act happened before the current PRC founded in 1949? Why the U.S. and Europe still keep the looted Chinese treasures and not offer apologies? All communists fault? You have to really manipulate facts to show me the reasons!
Opium wars? that was before the US civil war. You really have to go back far in time to find things to complain about dont you? We need no such time machine . You are a blind nationalist, doing what your government wants you to do. which is to blame its problems on outsiders.
Stop diverting from the topic: Did the West invade and drug China during Opium War? Did anyone offer an apology yet? Did anyone return the looted Chinese treasures in British/American/... museums yet?
So you want to go to war over minor conflict in1856? Let's do it! Hope you're ready!
answer my questions, apologize for your sins first!!
Maybe you and your like didn't realize that you guys have been brainwashed, daily.
You did not see the majority of Chinese demanding democracy in Peking but rather a few...china has a billion people only a few thousand were brave enough to stand..they not by any stretch of the imagination the majority...we do well to concern ourselves with our own country...
Maybe they are scared of Dear leader. Revolution starts small...
I don't know what is wrong with our people in this country. China has one political party, America has two. Yes, two, which means that we are only doing one better than China.
Two parties, wow, that is a lot of choice, that is a lot of democracy. You have to laugh about the nature of American democracy when you compare it to the democracy in a country like Britain, a true pluralistic democracy with various parties in parliament representing various points of views with a prime minister accountable to parliament all elected in political campaigns sponsored by the public not the private sector.
In contrast we just have two parties with limited points of view in rhetoric, elected through political campaigns sponsored by the same corporations and industry lobbies which make them adopt the same policies and approaches to problems in practice. yes, that is a lot of democracy, imagine if you only had two choices in life. Imagine if you could only eat MacDonald's or Burger King for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
I toured China for two weeks in 2001 and, while that doesn't make me an expert, I did personal interviews with people for the benefit of the high school in which I taught Chemistry. The Social Studies teachers kept asking, "How did you get them talk so openly?" I'm sure if those tapes were made available to the Chinese Embassy, the people involved would have been in big trouble for denouncing communism, Mao, etc. – local and national tour guides and cruise ship workers. I had to forbid our social studies teachers from making copies or sharing the tapes with other schools. BUT, the surprising thing is that few of them wanted to greatly change the way things were going in 2001. My guess is it's the same now. One said, "In the 1980's, if you wanted to show you had accumulated enough wealth to marry, you had to own a wristwatch and a bicycle. By the 90's you also needed to have a cell phone, a washing machine and an automatic tea/coffee maker. Today (2001) you also need something like a personal computer, maybe a private (personally owned) car. Things are much better than before." When I asked if they thought by-then-deceased Chairman Deng was burning in hell for the Tienanmen Square Massacre, they said, honestly, "No. In heaven: he's the reason we live well now." They did complain about the workers near-slavery conditiions in the factories. In one silk-thread sorting factory in Chongqing, our guide pointed out all the women workers were under 30 because their eyes were ruined by that age from the long hours: they were let go with no compensation. When I asked about unions I was told none exist but, "Hopefully, in the future." They also said, "When Chinese people talk about Mao's time, the Cultural Revolution time, we feel ashamed." The BIGGEST complaint: "If you want to be a manager of a factory or a politician you need to be a communist. But young people today, we don't want to be communists: we want to be free." Watching the tape of a 29 year old woman make that statement in a bar on a Yangtze River cruise ship made hundreds of social studies kids at the largest high school in Maryland, each year, appreciate what we have in our country more than any story in a book. I have all that on tape and probably could have sold it to the networks. But I wasn't going to make money and potentially get someone killed or, at best, ruin several lives.
2001?? that was over 10 years ago! trust me ALOT has changed in China since then.
Yes. A lot of changes have happened since that time. But what the people said in 2001 is still valid even today.
10 years ago China was poorer than Italy. Today they are richer than Japan and within the next 10 years they will be richer than us. That is a big difference, lots of things have happened in the last 10 years. The world has changed a lot.
@ Dani... define 'richer'. If you mean GDP, sure. If you mean median income (could only find 2008 figures) it's approximately $47,000 to $6000. I think median income is more indicative statistic of the country as a whole.
Unfortunately for the commie Chinese, the more freedom people get a taste of, the more they want. This totalitarian regime cannot last another 25 years.
China is no longer communist or totalitarian, they are socialist and authoritarian. You need to update your information because you seem to be stuck 20+ years in the past.
I beg your pardon? China is NOT communist? What planet are you from? Please take note:
"The PRC government has been variously described as communist and socialist, but also as authoritarian, with heavy restrictions remaining in many areas, most notably on the Internet, the press, freedom of assembly, reproductive rights, and freedom of religion."
"The Chinese Communist Party (CPC) retains effective control over government appointments: in the absence of meaningful opposition, the CPC wins by default most of the time."
"The country is ruled by the Communist Party of China (CPC), whose power is enshrined in China's constitution."
NOTE: If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig! But the lipstick does fool some people!
"Truth" is China's greatest fear, and its greatest enemy. Once the populace understands they are being denied basic human rights, freedom of the press and Internet, and freedom of religion, the government is in serious trouble.
China has had a great run, but it won't last due to their long-held policies of deception, unfair business practices, ignoring intellectual property, circumventing internationally-accepted trade/currency policies, and outright theft of patents and technological innovation.
When the Great Chinese Revolution comes, and it IS coming, I hope blood will not be flowing in the streets!
@PatriotVet76:
read your own hate-filled illogical comments, and tell me that you are not a racist.
Must be hard for you to see China is stable and prosper.
Must be hard for you to see Chinese to excel in jobs that you can't handle.
@Jake
I agree with some of your comments discussing Chinese reform. I think they are headed in the right direction and may reach that goal someday.
However, I strongly disagree with your definition of the political climate. I think the reason for this is possibly due to your understanding of the fundamentals of socialism and communism. To clarify, here is the most widely accepted definition of –
communism: a form of government control where a single entity (most observed: the state) controls the economy. While there are dissenting opinions about the definition of who holds power, there is always a power broker "entity" which both plans and controls the economy without interference from external sources, e.g. the public. It's fine if you disagree with this definition of communism, but even the former U.S.S.R. accepts this definition.
socialism: production and distribution of goods are exercised collectively and political strength is demonstrated by the public.
Once again, I agree they are in a better situation than they were 5, and DEFINITELY 10 years ago. However, and I would encourage you to research who the power broker (here's a hint by using a singular tense) is.
If you're using subjective definitions of both socialism and communism, I would recommend you use more widely accepted views (i.e. views that were defined by political 'scientists' – heh) when defining a society. Otherwise it comes of as if you are either defending them based upon their definition of their current political system, or are passionate about their defense to the point that negative stigma words such as "communism" cause you to become overly passionate and perhaps less objective.
Communist would suggest no ownership of property. In China there is private ownership of property, Communism would be the last stage of Marxism, and no country has ever achieved it to date, and certainly they ma call themselves the Communist Party of China, but with a free market, huge wealth disparity, and private ownership of property, they are definitely not Communist. The system of government in China is generally recognised not as totalitarian either, but as a system of 'fragmented authoritarianism' with the centre holding the most authority/power but with de-centralisation of authority to many lower levels from the state level, to province, to prefecture, to township to village. Socialist authoriatarian would fit best
Well said, Jake
Negative on the "no private ownership of property". If you can tell me 100% of historical communist countries controlled private land than I will admit defeat, but you can't, that's because it's not the case. Once again, we're arguing semantics. You define communism differently than communism is most widely defined. What I listed previously was the universal explanation of a communist country. China still meets this, and this is illustrated by the fact that you found a different sub-definition of communism than what I stated (btw, your definition is a characteristic of some communist institutions... don't just think "communist = communal", it's not the case). When people think 'communism', they think vacuum, and this is not the case. You're giving me your subjective opinion on communism, which is fine. In your eyes they may not be communist. But as long as dictionaries define communism as they do, I'm sorry but it's a fact that China still meets this definition. I would also add, they are are progressively moving toward socialism and I think they fully be there within the next decade. I never said they wouldn't.
And as far as authoritarian. I would agree with you. Does it have aspects of totalitarianism? Yes. Censorship. I'm sorry, you can disagree with me if you want, but you're disagreeing with a political definition, not my interpretation of it. By definition, an aspect of totalitarianism is that opposition is outlawed. Liu Xiaobo is an example. If you disagree with me on this, ask someone from China to look up this name on the internet. They won't be able to. Once again, if you're going to say it's not communist or totalitarian, please please please understand terminology and don't come up with your own interpretation. It's confusing for the rest of us.
Unfortunately, people on this board are thinking to concretely "black and white". Communism is not mutually exclusive from socialism. Do you think China woke up one day and it was socialist? If so, tell me what day? You're thinking to narrowly. The same with authoritarian and totalitarian. What day did they wake up and decide it was authoritarian? Name the date? The reason you can't is because political ideology is progressive over time. I can epitomize what I'm saying by pointing to how divisive an issue this is with everyone. It's point of contention is because some people are thinking black, others white. Is it socialist, in more and more senses, yes. Is it communist? Yes, by definition it still is. Will communism leave? Based open the most accepted definition of communism, yes, the changes are under way.
It's upsetting to see people swallow something hook-line-and-sinker just because they're pro-China. Hey guys, China is making HUGE strides. They just passed japan up as the #2 economically defined world superpower. These guys are reforming their political institutions for the better and I'm supportive of their efforts! Just calm down and use your noggins.
the M(oron) Tully's Dad blathered: "Must be hard for you to see Chinese to excel in jobs that you can't handle."
You mean the Chinese that excel in stealing technology that was invented here, ignoring intellectual property rights?
Clearly M. Tully's Daddy has psychological issues. Since we can all agree on that, is it really fair to pick on those less fortunate?
I, for one, am really concerned for this M. Tully person...poor thing.
@patriotVet76
I agree a lot with what you said about those dirty Chinese practices in business and other areas. However, I have to point out that all those have to do with the "capitalism' china is practicing now: to get rich quick, at any cost. And the businesses and officials are taking all kinds of loopholes and whatever their powers allow them to accumulate wealth for themselves.
By the way, I want to share with you guys a little secret: in Mao's time, the Chinese once demonstrated tremendous passions for their country's construction, not for money, and there were few dirty tricks you listed in your message.
Those Chinese commies are beating our butts off in our capitalist game with their hands down. If having a GDP growth of over 10% per year over 12 years in a row makes you a commie, I want to be a commie too. Being a commie is good for you, you should try it too.
@Dani23...the most ironic part of all of this is the fact that slave labor is how this fine country of ours managed to grow/expand so rapidly early on. Now, the Chinese are doing basically the same thing. I'm not saying it is/was right...I'm just saying...we should be wary of the 3 fingers pointing back at us as we wag a finger at China.
No, the Chinese are not eager for a revolution. For the moment they want to enjoy the fruit of their hard labour. They work hard, earn well and enjoy life. Moving around in a herd is their social pattern. For this reason they don't like surprises, otherwise they'll panic. If changes are necessary, they let it happen step by step, never drastically.
I hate to say it,but they are lemmings. Now they are trying to spread their stupidity out west..
Hey racist, time to go home to your mama, 'cause she's getting real greasy with a Chinese stud!!
I think so.
Throughout Chinese history, it's quite literally a long series of civil upheavel and coelace, from the first Emperor Q'in to the Last Emperor Yi. Most wars China has been invovled in were civil wars, and the past 100 years saw huge transformations with the Nationalists, then the Communists. Democracy is only type of political system that can exist in a era of free and fast communication. Look at the Middle-East, the Arab awakening has already toppled 2 regimes in just 3 months.
My wife is originally from China and I have spent a lot of time there, myself. If you get ANYone to speak privately about their personal feelings regarding Communism, and what Mao's revolution did to set back the Chinese people, you will get almost nothing but very frank, honest, and extremely unindoctrinated responses. There is great loathing there. However, the people don't feel much of that government control over their lives, and so are largely content.
Pat,
That is the exact opposite kind of behavior I saw in China and from native Chinese living in America. You always get extremely indoctrinated responses about how Chinese is, was, and always will be the best of everything in the entire universe. China is like Heaven and Mao is like God on high! You can't even hint that anything might be the least bit wrong with China without starting WWIII with the person you're talking to.
"China PERFECT! Oh that? That all America's fault! All Bush's fault! China do nothing wrong."
I've always thought the reason they can't come to grips with reality is they tie their own existence in so tightly with that of the nation. Then that "saving face" crap kicks in and you can't have any sort of logical conversation. So all that being said I don't see any kind of revolution any time soon until they come out of their fantasy land.
What u said is sooo subjective~ As a new generation Chinese, I would like to say all u said is a part of history in China. We new generation Chinese are even more open than western people, and we have our own opinions for everything which are purely original and haven't washed by communist party. Thus, please do not use ur banal thought to imagine this new China!
You sir are a troll. Just want to point this out but spare you the satisfaction of a time-consuming logical response to your claims
Zenithi,
How am I a troll exactly? Like Pat I had a Chinese wife. I dealt with her friends and family on a daily basis. I spent a good deal of time in China, riding planes, buses, and trains all around and being forced by my significant other to speak to others riding along beside us to so those people would "practice their English". I am reporting what I have seen out of the Chinese people through these interactions. If you don't like it, tough, but that IS the reality I have seen in China and from the Chinese people. And it wasn't coming from old people because frankly almost none of them can speak English at all... this was all coming from 20 and 30-something people. The ones I would consider the newer generation.
One of my favorite examples is the toys painted with lead paint scandal. I was in China not long after that happened and did talk to some people about it. The typical response was: "Chinese children play with these toys. They never get sick. America just wants to make trouble for China. There is nothing wrong with those toys" You can't talk frankly about ANY topic because everything becomes personalized and their cultural instinct to save face will not allow them to admit a flaw of any kind. Maybe I'm crazy, but I always imagined the first step toward a revolution was admitting something is wrong with the way things are now and they just can't do that. They can't allow for anything, even lead painted toys, to be wrong about their homeland.
Well its about time...........Long over due.......Time to get ahead of the curve. People have got to have rights.
However I am impressed with the way they handle their criminals. Got to love that, It sure take a bit out of crime
Walmart has suceeded only because they have learned from China..........
china has succeeded because of walmart
Your mama shops at Walmart, 'cause that's all she can afford.
i wont wipe my bum with made in china goods, they would give me a rash.
Wipe with your home-made crap, and be ready to get STDs
chinese wants to rule the world idiots. which corner of the world does not have chinese?
Hello Racist, finally you stick your ugly head out!!
Sure in your world only Americans and Europeans can be all over the planet to rule the world. Can you show a single example in China's 5000-year history that Han Chinese wanted to expand territory?
stfu
Hello racist!! where is the freedom of speech for Chinese? or it's just something you lie about as a carrot to fool Chinese?
You STFU, racist bitches!!
People like you make Americans wish we had let the Japanese kick your asses for a lot longer. You can thank us for you not being part of Japan when you stop being racist.
@............hmmmm:
Hey Savior, did the U.S. get involved only after Pearl Harbor? Please don't rewrite history books to claim the U.S. was sent by God to save the mankind.
I will second Jeff's comment.
@Tamale:
I second your mama ... for media censorship ...
War with USSR they expand territory. War with Vietnam,t hey expand territory. War with India, they expand territory. Trying to expand sea territory to Japan and Philippines. Tibet, they expand territory. Anything else?
Really? Any border dispute must blame Chinese? Do you know that Japan has ongoing border disputes with all its neighbours: South Korea, Taiwan, North Korea, Russia, China? Do you know India has dorder disputes with a dozen countries? Do you know U.K. and Argentine recently almost went to war over some island?
You ugly racist!! Keep munipulating facts and lying to the world!!
Of course the Chinese are happy, just about anything you buy is made in China. We have outsourced all our production to China and India. Their economy is booming.
India would be better, at least they arent rtrying to take ove3r the world
Yes, your mama is getting hot and heavy with an Indian. The Indian just wants to take over your mama ... oops, actually it's a native Indian that hasn't been killed by you racist yet.
Racist, your family must get much curry-fever.
So what are you doing in the USA anyway? Stealing trade secrets? I'd believe you were hard working if you didn't steal the fruits of other peoples labor. why not learn it like everyone else does ? too lazy? Lazy bum!
I'm in the U.S. fighting racists like you!!
Don't get me wrong, majority of Americans are good citizens. But a few racists like you ruin the country's name and violate its founding principles. I'll fight you racists till the end.
Nothing is permanent – if the Chinese govt think it can keep going for very they are seriously smoking.
All they can expect is hangon while they can.
This is only true because if they say otherwise, their government will kill/imprison them...
It is true. I am a Chinese living in America. I can tell you how much discrimination I have to deal with daily, and how CIA agents try to follow me and monitor my laptop if I post pro-China comments online.
China has problems as every other country has, but Chinese society is very meritocratic – most of current Chinese top politicians came from poor families and earned their way up by hard work. No Bush or Kennedey in China who were born holding a silver spoon.
That's the beauty of living in America, "M Tully's Daddy", that doesn't actually happen. I can make the filthiest, most insulting comments towards American politicians without retribution. I can praise China and damn the US without retribution. It's called 'freedom of speech', a concept China is lacking. You've been discriminated against for being ethnically Chinese? Racism is something else entire. It permeates the societies of many different countries. There are racists in America, in Russia, in Turkey, in South Africa – it's everywhere. You claim to be combating racists, yet you're foul-mouthed, rude, and spew untruths.
@Leo
Wow, a first class citizen lecturing a "foul-mouthed" Chinese? How great? Then tell me why the U.S. still doesn't apologize for Opium War and Chinese Exclusion Act? Putting a black man in the White House doesn't wipe your bloody hands clean.
Some Chinese can actually type English to speak up for himself? How upsetting!! Freedom of speech must be reserved for only you and a few U.S.-kissing Chinese dissidents!!
Maybe this question has been asked....but if China is sooooooo great, why aren't you there?
We are here to invade America. Please pass Chinese Exclusion Act II, racists!
The Chinese people are not allowed to own any firearms. They are not going to get very far without them. Why don't you ask the kids at Tienanmen square how far their revolution went. Law is dispensed at the barrel of a gun.
You are wrong! Chinese saw what happened in Russia when they trusted Americans and Europeans' lies. Don't expect to fool Chinese with the same lies. Go get something new please.
Yes @China Desu Desu it is show. Chinese do want democracy. I wish I could explain more, but freedom will come to China one day. Remember Remember the Rise in December
Yes @China Desu Desu it is true. Chinese do want democracy. I wish I could explain more, but freedom will come to China one day. Remember Remember the Rise in December
China = money
Egypt = no money
Sure the CCP is not perfect, but people will put up with authoritarianism when the economy grows 10% per year. Simple as that.
As long as China continues to embrace a free market economy she will do fine. Lets just hope increasing freedoms follow.
Racists and CIA agents, before you post lies to mislead general public who can only read English words on one or two U.S. websites, please explain the below:
What happened to Russia after they trusted your "advice" in 1990? Are Russians thankful to you?
What is happening to Iraqis and Afganistans? Do they thank you for your gift of "freedom, democracy"?
What is happening in your home country? Why financial crisis only happened to the "moral, freedom" leaders?
What happened in Opium War? Are you still not going to apologize for it?
What is Chinese Exclusion Act? Are you still not going to apologize for it?
In God's name, please swear with your family's life and fortune, that you are not racists trying to destroy another hard-working country recovering from your invasions and sanctions!!
Good questions.
So tell us, what happened in Tienanmen Square?
Good CIA tactic – avoiding a difficult, embarassing question by attacking with a new question, getting in an offensive position. So let me be your role model and answer your question. then please answer mine if you are a decent human being.
Since coming to the U.S. I lived with and studied with several of the most famous Chinese student leaders involved in the Tiananmen Protest. Some of them found the racism against Chinese in America is too strong such that they eventually went back to China with a totally different view of the Tiananmen incident. The others keep using the Tiananmen incident to get funding from the U.S. Congress and political agencies like NED. They let themselves be tools when the U.S. needs them to attack China once/twice a year, then they are largely forgotten and left in unknown corners.
Chinese Gov didn't have riot police in 1989 and wasn't experienced enough to handle protests properly, while the protesting college students led by political opportunists made very aggressive, unrealistic demands thinking the U.S. and Europe would back them militarily. Both sides share equal blames, and this is the concensus among the best educated overseas Chinese, many of whom are Ph.D.s trained by Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc.
After seeing what happened in Russia after 1989, most Chinese realized it's fortunate that the Tiananmen protest failed, otherwise China would be in civil war II.
The death toll from Tiananmen incident was much exaggerated by the West. I searched and read these pictures posted by Westerners accusing China. The only picture with a burned "civilian" body actually was a disoriented Chinese soldier, killed and burned by the gangsters among protesters. If you can read the Chinese message left by the body by the soldier's killers, you'll know the truth. Remember how a female CNN reporter was sexually attacked in the recent Egyptian pretesters? Remember the famous photo of a Chinese student "stopping" a team of tanks? If the soldiers wanted to kill him, the tanks could simply keep rolling over the guy ...
No need to glorify violence. Human's ugly nature shows up whenever there is chaos. That's why God told his people to repent sins, because as humans we are inherently selfish and sinners. For Westerners who'd committed crimes against Chinese, stop wishing China falling into chaos. And stop telling beautifully covered lies.
If the West can prove their advice isn't with hidden evil wishes, the Chinese government will be more confident to reform politically without concerns of repeating Russia's mistakes.
+Don't feed the trolls
The inside story by CIA itself:
http://www.CIAinTibet.com/
M Tully's Daddy, You simply Rock. Your passion and beliefs are conspicous. Despite your anger, your logic and data points are reasonable and sensible in the end. Many Americans are scared of Chinese (and Indians too) because they feel insecure about their future as China is rising. Human nature is somewhat racist. So I accept it and in many ways appreciate the positive aspects that America offers too. Confucious practice in the end will win over American friends.
TO:China soil is greasy
My ENG is not good but I can press my thining in ENG .
Have you been in China ? At least I have visited USA 5DAYS in 2010, also other countrys like Bangladesh/India/Thailand/Brazil for business in the past five years.
You life is better than Chinese , and we have working hard many years to catch up you .
That not means the current CN government rubbish !! In the past 30years the current Government working hard to develpe economy and imporve the life standard of people .
Personally ,I was born in Countryside in1981 and my parents are farmers ( they are illiteracy), in 1980 age ,China just start opening up .the people in China are very poor , Also the government is poor .But the government ask family to send their Child to school ,of course the charge is very low that the family could offord .
My parents working very hard by their hand on land ,they less eat meat save money and never go other citys in their age(Now I have lead them many citys) , in 1984 my farther buy his first bicycle/1986 buy family's first black TV set /1992 buy sartorius/1994 washer /1996 my farther buy moto-bicycle ....Now I college graduated and have working 8 years ,I graduated in 2003 and have my own apartment and car in the city and return(In China we call it as "XIAOSUN") better life to my Dear parents.
I don't care the rule -part is what ever Communist/Democracy/Republic.....,I care the Government whether could make good policy and make opportunity to the people . everyday the Government is in improve ,the whole Country is in imporve.
Another matter , when different country meet disaster ,I believe our current goverment did good job than others .
2005 Katrina in Louisiana/2008 Earth quake in Shicuan /2011 Earth quake(last month)
SO.Personaly ,I support our current Government and optimism in future .
You see I can post comment here and view your news , and also you can view our website and make comments if you know some Chinese .
TO:China soil is greasy
I forgot to inform you that In China we discuss politics/Government everyday on news website like 163.COM/SINA.COM/SOHU.COM.
One thing you must know , now on Chinese internet there are two group ,one is "WUMAO" and another is "MEIGOU" ,They are more active/radicalness and post comments everyday .
But most of people like me less posted and only view the comments try to find some funny .
Please do some search about "WUMAO" and "MEIGOU" and come back to me ,thanks !!!
I think you belong to "WUMAO" !!!
If you travel to China and stay at a local residential home, assuming the home has internet access, you will be astonished by the internet censorship that is employed by the current government. Facebook, Youtube, Gmail, CNN, BBC, Blogs and basically any free speech forum, you name it, are all blocked. Hard to believe it, right!? Believe it! So my question to you: Why a country whose people have 74% optimistic rate about their future has to be carefully controlled or manipulated by their government?
Just correct your facts: BBC, CNN, Gmail, NYTimes, WP, Guardian, G&M are all well accessible inside China. Facebook, Twitter, Youtube are blocked in China.
Facebook, tweeter, and youtube connect common views of shared beliefs that world leaders are afraid of.
CNN, BBC etc are blocked at most of the residential home. Unless you access internet in hotels that have a lot of foreigners stay or you have your own VPN network, I can assure that you won't be able to.
How naive. Maybe they are not informed how polluted the planet has become. Came to power too late.
What's with all the insecurity? We in America need to focus on our own problems instead of pointing out problems with China (or anyone else for that matter)....a sure sign of our descend is innate insecurity. If you go to China today people are concerned about China's problems not America's supposed blemishes. Wake up!
Europe and North America are on a downhill slide. We have become selfish, immoral and lazy. The future probably does belong to India, China and some day Israel. Just look at the demographics and the industrial growth. I went to a graduation of a world class University in California. In the engineering department almost all the people had black hair. They were almost all Asians. They work hard. They have cohesive families with discipline. The Chinese have reason to be optimistic.
the future can not belong to one country,
but in these countries there can not be india.
one country with half of population untouchble can reach what?
india's neighbours:
west: pakistan
east: bangladesh
north-east: china
south: sea
all sides are india's enemies.
we all know the status of india's commonwealth game.
admit it or not, india is nothing.
WUMAO:
some idiots in usa mean that all pr-China-commentators are financed by the chinese government, namely one post 5 Mao RMB(=5 USA cent)
MEIFEN:
and of course some chinese think, many anti-China-commentators are financed by CIA, namely one post 5 USA cent(=5 Mao RMB)
What happened in the square where they killed, opened fire on protesters wanting a better life?? Think about that all you pro china people, ever read animal farm. The fat pigs leading the country. The bottom line is there is no system that will ever work in a fair equal way. There will always be rich and poor, its just the way it is. Thats why you have to accept the playing field and use it to better your self but have respect for your fellow citizen regardless of race, religion, class..... and stop listening to CNN all these news stations are owned by a hand full of people thats is the scary part, Think of MR. Bernays, Frueds nephew.
Since coming to the U.S. I lived with and studied with several of the most famous Chinese student leaders involved in the Tiananmen Protest. Some of them found the racism against Chinese in America is too strong such that they eventually went back to China with a totally different view of the Tiananmen incident. The others keep using the Tiananmen incident to get funding from the U.S. Congress and political agencies like NED. They let themselves be tools when the U.S. needs them to attack China once/twice a year, then they are largely forgotten and left in unknown corners.
Chinese Gov didn't have riot police in 1989 and wasn't experienced enough to handle protests properly, while the protesting college students led by political opportunists made very aggressive, unrealistic demands thinking the U.S. and Europe would back them militarily. Both sides share equal blames, and this is the concensus among the best educated overseas Chinese, many of whom are Ph.D.s trained by Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc.
After seeing what happened in Russia after 1989, most Chinese realized it's fortunate that the Tiananmen protest failed, otherwise China would be in civil war II.
The death toll from Tiananmen incident was much exaggerated by the West. I searched and read these pictures posted by Westerners accusing China. The only picture with a burned "civilian" body actually was a disoriented Chinese soldier, killed and burned by the gangsters among protesters. If you can read the Chinese message left by the body by the soldier's killers, you'll know the truth. Remember how a female CNN reporter was sexually attacked in the recent Egyptian pretesters? Remember the famous photo of a Chinese student "stopping" a team of tanks? If the soldiers wanted to kill him, the tanks could simply keep rolling over the guy ...
No need to glorify violence. Human's ugly nature shows up whenever there is chaos. That's why God told his people to repent sins, because as humans we are inherently selfish and sinners. For Westerners who'd committed crimes against Chinese, stop wishing China falling into chaos. And stop telling beautifully covered lies.
If the West can prove their advice isn't with hidden evil wishes, the Chinese government will be more confident to reform politically without concerns of repeating Russia's mistakes.
exactly,
hence you usa has shooted the protestors in the 60s.
the usa women have gained their vote-rights in the 50s.
in the 60s and 70s there were fightings between black and white.
and you become teachers of other countries now?
Pfui!
In the US, women got the vote in 1920, not in the "50's", almost 30 years earlier than in China (to the extent that voting in China actually means anything). There were 2 incidents in the US in May 1970 where anti-war protesters were attacked by National Guard units, leading to a total of 6 deaths and 21 wounded. Legal action was brought against the guardsmen. In the Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989, hundreds or thousands of protesters were killed and many thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) wounded by the Chinese army, whose actions were completely supported by the government. There has certainly been ethnic clashes in the US, though what you cite happened 40 years ago – there have been major ethnic clashes in China very recently, with almost 200 killed less than 2 years ago.
Yes, the US has had problems over the years, but we have learned from them, and it appears clear that China could use those lessons...
Since coming to the U.S. I lived with and studied with several of the most famous Chinese student leaders involved in the Tiananmen Protest. Some of them found the racism against Chinese in America is too strong such that they eventually went back to China with a totally different view of the Tiananmen incident. The others keep using the Tiananmen incident to get funding from the U.S. Congress and political agencies like NED. They let themselves be tools when the U.S. needs them to attack China once/twice a year, then they are largely forgotten and left in unknown corners.
Chinese Gov didn't have riot police in 1989 and wasn't experienced enough to handle protests properly, while the protesting college students led by political opportunists made very aggressive, unrealistic demands thinking the U.S. and Europe would back them militarily. Both sides share equal blames, and this is the concensus among the best educated overseas Chinese, many of whom are Ph.D.s trained by Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc.
After seeing what happened in Russia after 1989, most Chinese realized it's fortunate that the Tiananmen protest failed, otherwise China would be in civil war II.
The death toll from Tiananmen incident was much exaggerated by the West. I searched and read these pictures posted by Westerners accusing China. The only picture with a burned "civilian" body actually was a disoriented Chinese soldier, killed and burned by the gangsters among protesters. If you can read the Chinese message left by the body by the soldier's killers, you'll know the truth. Remember how a female CNN reporter was sexually attacked in the recent Egyptian pretesters? Remember the famous photo of a Chinese student "stopping" a team of tanks? If the soldiers wanted to kill him, the tanks could simply keep rolling over the guy ...
and in the latest UN-human-rights-meeting usa has got the most advices to enhance his human rights.
usa government has declined the most of them.
this is usa.
As the majority of the members of the UN Human Rights Council are repressive authoritarian or totalitarian regimes with rampant human rights violations, it isn't clear that taking human rights advice from the UNHRC is a useful thing...
So let me make your statements easier to understand: only the resolutions appealing to the West are good, otherwise the resolutions are either wrong or by "devilish" governments who don't know how to shoot missles into other countries.
Why the "peaceful" West actually supplies and sells most of the weapons used in all the wars? I'm confused ...
@ M Tully's Daddy
I can see you are very confused, indeed. Stop feeling ashamed or guilty about your country and your values. It is wrong and counter-productive to everything you want to stand for.
What am I ashamed of? Opium War? Chinese Exclusion Act? Killing Iraqis? Killing Afganistans? Producing and spreading STDs? Claiming to be the supreme moral compass? ...
I'm confused why racists/CIA agents like you have no shame ... your parents got much basic education?
On a side note from all the mud-slinging going back and forth: I'm an American sitting in Shanghai right now, and I think China is an amazing country. For the people who haven't been yet (which is clear from your glib remarks), you'd be amazed at how far this country has come in the last 15 years. It's a great place to live. What have we as Americans done that is so great in the last 15 years? Gone to war with a few countries, racked up a hugh debt after a remarkable budget surplus.... I'm drawing a blank on what else we've done, and why it's so damn great... Take a look around – the world has changed, and we're still stuck in the same place.
What you decribed called in the sociology "ideology".
all in the socialism are not good, all in the usa are good.
this has another name: cold war.
now in usa they played the cold war II.
the difference is:
no other countries played with usa.
usa think, he played cold war against china.
but they played the cold war against himself.
Judging by the nature of most of the comments here, it seems that what China has managed to do is foolishly waste its soft capital just to maintain its superiority complex. America has made many gaffes in the past such as its unholy alliance between business and state, the Iraq war, and tarnishing its image abroad, but I think most people in the world like the IDEA of America and its First Amendment. I'd much rather be able to speak freely and be able to petition my government than be at the mercy of state officials who have no accountability whatsoever to its people.
China has the world's longest network of 500 km/hr rail network, US has zero but is borrowing Yuans to plan its first one in California. China's BYD has secured manufacturing facilities in Los Angeles, openly welcome by Cal governor and LA major for employing americans to build worldclass fully plugg-in cars. Time to dump those GM gas guzzler polluting the world with toxic fumes. Welcome to the future, today.
New era. Pretty much every country is connected. Think win-win. Try to respect and understand each other. After all live is short. Save some money; visit China (actaully as many contries as possible). Open your eyes –> and your minds. Wish everyone well.
You're terribly naive, my friend. I've been to China and am currently living in Italy. There is NO system, NO people greater than that of the United States of America. And in case you didn't notice, the "People's Republic" is a totalitarian dictatorship.
@Quotations From Chairman Wow:
Racism at its best/worst, at whatever foreign civilians' costs ...
Yes china will continue to expand until the weight of the top down government crushes itself.. Any attempt to futher human rights in the USA will only quicken that revoltion.. With continuing populaton growth, that can only slightly change.. all those cell phones and internet connection won't feed the masses. Nor will Grampa Wen live forever, The univers is unfolding as planned , relax and get to work
I can believe it. Maoism at its best (...worst).
Someone needs help, stuck in 1950's in a time machine.
I bet you can't spell the current Chinese President's name, and have no idea that he was sent to work on farm right after graduating from the top Chinese university. No, nada, Chinese all bad, only you supreme. Yeah, religious freedom, yeah, political freedom/diversity, what? Chinese following a different system are prospering? Got to dig out Chairman Mao to attack them ...
You seem to not know a thing about Maoism and are blind as to how it has been guiding the CCP since its creation. The only thing you are good at is being what Lenin called, a "useful idiot."
The article is not looking in the right place! The place that could, and probably will, produce a action similar to North Africa, is the Muslim North West. I don't know the name of the provice, but some of their people have been in American prisons. They recieved training in Afganistan, and Pakistan, for the sole reason of throwing the Chinese government out of their country!!
Wow there are so many things I would like to say to the uneducated and brainwashed minds of those whose post these outrageous comments about America. I am an accountant who relies on numbers and numbers do not lie. " M Tully's Daddy" (whatever that means) has to be getting financed by his gov't to keep repeating the same things over and over- its called propaganda if your govt hasnt allowed you to read (which it apears you have read just enough to be dangerous) here is the definition... Propaganda- is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position so as to benefit oneself .As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. READ THIS PART CAREFULLY BECAUSE ITS THE MOST IMPORTANT.. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.
-You are showing people on this site exactly what this means. Your pockets must be getting very fat. Have you thought of sharing some of that money with the millions of orphans in your country. Just dont try to spread your infection to them. Im sure they are far more educated than you so hopefully they wont buy in to the bs. I am confident that you are dying to call me a "CIA Racist" right? Well good luck making that stick as I am biracial. The most racist comments have come from you. How interesting... That says a lot. Now would 98% of intellectual American's say that this extremely young country has participated/participating in its share of dirt. Absolutely. We do have ground to break but history is just that, history. No one is going to give you an apology. I am only sending this message to mess with your head since you seem to be feeding on users comments. I can only compare your level of social and political intelligence to that of a KKK member screaming "white power" who hasn't left the confinds of his own home. I'm not going to get into statistics. I really want to say that "your mother looks so hot when she is has this American rod stuffed in her throat looking up at me". Sorry everyone I had to the yo mamma joke in here for him. So M Dummies Daddy? Anyone with sense isnt buying into your Chinaganda. Everyone else its been very interesting reading your posts. This isnt something I would normally do but enough is enough from Mr. Propaganda.
Your ideas are so confused, but from your poor English grammar it is clear that you are not an educated accountant
Frankly all news outlets are propaganda machines, CNN included. I often roll my eyes at their articles because I actually learned the skill of critical reading. And this leads me to my next point, you're also incredibly biased which makes your opinion worthless to me. As a science student, I base my opinion on facts and mathematical analyses. Not my personal feelings. Whatever education accountants get obviously doesn't include impartiality. So I guess science beats accounting LOL
To those who shout "human rights. human rights!": Be patient, and in 20 years China will complain about US human rights violations in prisons, because the living conditions in their prisons will be much better than here in US prisons.
China still has a lot of problems to solve. But US government is CREATING problems for it's own people! Americans themselves are in troble these years. Why would anyone want to follow American model when it's not working? China has fewer natural resources, less advanced technologies, poorer city improvements, and much bigger population to take care of, etc. Adding an ineffecient government like the US to all these would be a total disaster. Chinese are smart enough to understand this. So they don't want any big revolution.
China has more cellphones than the population of Europe+USA+Canada. China has more Internet users surging the world and using the world's most used language (Chinese) than the population of all N. America+Mexico. China has the world's 3 tallest buildings, the world's longest sea bridge (building another twice as long), the world's longest Great Wall (not just a US/Mexicon chained-link fence), the world's largest wind/solar capacity and user base, the world's largest ethnic group (1.2 billion Hans Chinese), world's largest auto-market, etc. Eat your hearts out capitalistic pigs and gitmos dog handlers.
Congratulations for having lots of babies?
It's funny how almost everything "great" about China directly corresponds to their enormous population. Yeah they sell the most beer there too, they have 1.5 billion people!
I used to think their was a great deal of difference between China and the U.S. but not so much anymore. The U.S. is no longer is a democracy but more of a psuedo-facist corporatocracy.
Also, Hawaii is America's Tibet. We don't have the moral high ground there either folks. We have the biggest double standards in the world.
usa is still a democracy we just have stupid leaders
The only reason we have stupid leaders is because we keep voting them in. The reason we keep voting them in is because only those in power can afford to run for office. It's not really a democracy when the best candidate loses out to the richest/most-connected candidate each and every time. Officially, politicians do not earn big paychecks. And yet almost all politicians are rich. Gee...how does THAT happen?
Your comment remind me a say from a Chinese general – "USA has a best system but can be run by the stupidest people". It is so true. I will add – China has a not most perfect system but can be run by the best people and get the best results. This is very true as well. As long as american can elect the best person as their leaders (including those Congressmen), USA will be all right. The same applies to China. As long as Chinese can get their best leaders (including local leaders and those Peoples's representatives), China will continue their development. Election in the west can not guarrantee them to get the best leaders, for instance, you guys in USA may elect Trump or Polin as your President in next election who are total idiots. You see? nothing is absolute. As long as people happy, you can not say which system and the way of governing is right or wrong. Like Mr Deng has said "Practice is the only way to test the truth". If you American have practiced your system and think and feel it is good, keep it and keep it for yourself. If Chinese have experieced their system and feel happy about it, be it and nobody should judge it or point finger to Chinese. For those American who are fighting for your system, enjoy you life but please do not put your nose in to other people's affair. Otherwise you will have a bleeding nose.
having read through all the comments here, I'm wondering why people who left comments here unanimously hate China.
what's the reason? because your jobs are outsourced to China? But you have to understand this is the consequence of globalization. Even if your jobs were not outsourced to China, they would have been outsourced to other countries that have cheap labor such as India, Vietnam or some African countries. By the way, the pollution is also outsourced to China. You get what you paid for, cheaper products and better environment, and we paid the price too: damages to the environment. The real problem is that, you government didn't spend efforts on re-educating people who are laid off because the industries have moved overseas. And your government didn't keep up your advantages in science and technologies, instead, they spent billions dollars on wars. The funding for my school has been reduced significantly. On the other side, Chinese government are investing more and more on developing technologies. The reason your government keeps telling ordinary American people that your jobs are stolen by China is simply because they don't want to take the responsibility and they want to win the election by bitching about China, which is a topic that can help the candidate build up a strong image.
By the way, for those people who said China is still the China 30 years ago, you'd better go take a tour in China, at least you should read from different sources. CNN is not a good reference if this is your only reference.
Last word I want to say is that, we are brainwashed!!! Yes, I didn't know before I came to US that, China is hated by ordinary American people. It's totally opposite from what I have read in Chinese media : American people are friendly and nice.
I agree. The negative posts are because of the goading from Genghis and M Tullys Daddy. They are trying to bait everyone.
it's because only idiots have time to stay on the internet and make more comments than they should. Obviously these uninformed trolls should spend more time reading than writing because their overinflated sense of self importance blinds them to the ignorance of their opinions. most likely they're a bunch of overweight uneducated idiots with poor upbringing. I wouldn't be too bothered by their stupidity if I were you.
I am sorry you have made up your mind about our entire populace based on the comments here. I will say there is one thing that does make all of the US uneasy. and that is that we worry about your government and its intentions. You may say what you want but your country of birth is not an open society. If you shrug off the control of the media and that there are ways to get around it, I can assure you that it is only so because it is allowed by a totalitarian government that does in fact sacrifice much of its people to forced labor so that others who are born in better positions are allow to flourish. This happens in the USA too but not by government decree and control. I personally love all of the asian cultures and peoples and have been to the east as well as living some time in the San Francisco bay area which has a wide variety of asian visitors and immigrants. If there was one big reason for tension it is uncertainty of the future and what are the long term aims of the chinese Government. you must be aware of the harsh treatment of the Wieger people in your country as well as many other things. while you are taking the time to look at america Critically which is well and good, you should also make an effort to overcome your own personal biases to look for the negative things that are talked about of China while outside its borders. I know that the majority of US citizens would much rather be friend even close allies with China than to repeat some awful cold war scenario. America has many problems to, but there is a huge difference, Our country was founded on the sacred right of the individual And China is based on the complete supremacy of the collective as defined by the ruling party, Also China does have a history of ethnocentrism that is far longer and far more damaging that any that the US has ever had. But in the history of nations there are no purely innocent actors. What China has done is incredibly smart, they have seen the error of the soviet Union and so they are trying harness the industry of capitalism while also keeping in place strong if not total state control. I suggest you look at the possible corruption and pit falls that can occur when you have a government that is not fully deferential to its people. My greatest hope is that China is able to do well in a partnership with the US and the rest of the modern world. I hope that if times get tough that the current optimism which has been largely fueled by its finally being let into the economic sphere of the world community. I for one have no problem with any person of any race or culture and I find the asian cultures all to be of great value to americans and the world. I simply fear that at some point the core principles that guide our two countries never clash to the point that we become cross with one another. I personally think that while the collective good is an important value, it is not higher than the scared rights of individuals and even if plenty in the US do get unfairly treated, it is not something that is written off as for the good of the state and there fore necessary. certainly not publicly and not by anyone that stays in power first. That is unless you listen to conspiracy theorists. But our system and government is far from perfect just as China's is. perhaps if both nations remember humility and both people remember that beyond national and racial boundaries we are all human beings then the rest will turn out to be pettiness of people that currently have some cause valid or not for being angry. But so long as their anger stays in the form of words and nothing else then the world will turn and things will keep on evolving. I just think that Americans are worried about a country getting so strong that is not one that puts freedom over the will of the state. But as to the chinese people, you cannot say we do not like them as well many americans are in fact of chinese decent. Yes there are americans who are xenophobic but then can you really say that there are not even more that are that way in your country and remember I have been there so I know there are. I know of the plight of several groups from the religious chinese to ethnic groups like the wieger. In short, let us hope that you are able to learn well the best of humanity and remember you learned it in america because you were allowed to make use of one of it best assets its universities for higher learning. You need not ignore our problems but you would be well served by taking a long look at your own countries problems while you have but to go to the internet or subscribe to policy quarterlies to find out about them. Do it now before you are back in your home country and would be punished for looking up taboo subjects. America is a very messy country, but it is also the freest that is also a large highly developed nation. I hope you're time in the US is a good time and I hope that when you go back to china and see americans there that you also help them to have a good and fruitful time. And in the end lets hope that we all realize that we are all one people sharing a single planet and we must get along or perish. Peace out, Rob
It's obvious from the racist and ignorant comments in this blog that the animal kingdom is much, much more highly evolved than humans.
So. whom you have asked between the Chinese?? The bulk of the population, earning below $ 100 a months, have told you that their standard of life TODAY is "HIGH"???
This is purely a meaningless comparison for a very important reason. The thing that you're not understanding, that any person who is an international traveler learns pretty quickly, is that the value of the same money is very different in different countries. See the example about hamburgers by the person below (comparing the relative spending power of a single dollar and how many more hamburgers that same dollar will buy you in China vs. Japan). India is a great example. A person earning $30,000 a year in the US will not be in a great financial situation. Take that same person earning that same amount of money and move them to India–and he/she will have the means to live a life of absolute luxury–with the same income. The same is true of China. A salary of less than $100 per month is poverty in the US, but that same $100 will go so much further and buy you so much more in China (e.g., if you look at the cost of rent or buying a house in US dollars in China, it will be far, far less than the cost in the US) . The only point I'm making is that in order to know how 'good' the average salary is in a country, you cannot just convert it to American dollars (or any other country's currency)–an entirely useless and meaningless comparison. The only fair way to compare is to understand just how much you can buy with that salary WITHIN the country in question. That will tell you the true standard of living in that country.
BTW, I'm not stating that the hamburger example was factually accurate (obviously, the person posting has no knowledge how much a burger costs here–well, maybe unless you're buying from the McDonalds value menu...). Just that the general point applies–that the spending power of a US dollar (or any other currency for that matter) is different in different countries.
Listen, i'm tired that china keeps making our products. We need to make our own
Chinese Student in USA has pretty much nailed it. Except the part about most Americans hating Chinese people. Perhaps 40-50 % of Americans do. They represent the low information and ignorant portion we are stuck with. As long as there are TV reality shows, Lady Gaga and NASCAR a significant portion of Americans will remain stupid. I have toured China twice in 1999 and last year. One of the changes I noticed is that Chinese people are starting to get fat like Americans. They can thank American fast food for that. There are less people riding bikes. Most have at least an electric scooter. The carbon monoxide pollution and traffic is making living in most major cities in China a nightmare. No exaggeration. All because they want to be more like Americans! But the biggest change I saw was how everyone worships money, thinking they will get rich if they study and work hard. Sorry to break this to you but most of you will not become rich and will learn to hate unfettered capitalism like some Americans have.
U$1 = 6.5 Yuans. $1 buy you a hamburger in the United States and buy you 15 hamburgers in China. China's GDP is $5 trillion, US is $15 trillion at best. According to World Bank, by purchasing power parity (PPP) standards (i.e., the hamburger standards), China's economy is already twice the size of the U.S.
One space shuttle launch (if there is anymore of that junk like junk food hamburger) cost more than the entire Chinese Manned Space program. China's military expenditure is U$90 billion, US is $600 billion. Who actually is getting more bang for the buck from the military?
They can't have the best navy because we should. WE have the best military in the world in my opinion
even if china becomes the best economy it won't be for long because they'll run out of resources
that's why when you meet your first Martians (and lunarnauts, not lunatics btw), they speak fluent Mandarin. moon has helium-3, good for fusion reactor and China completed the world's only operational tomahawk fusion test reactors 5 years ago and the global consortium is yet to break ground on their common fussion reactor in France.
When China foreclose on the US for nonpayment of debt, California and Texas will be two states sold to China. Those former americans can be farmers given their low educational standards compare with the 90% literacy rate of the 1.3 billion Chinese.
Best to ignore "M Tully's Daddy" and leave this article's posts alone. Not buying what "M Tully's Daddy" is selling and it is useless to hold a discussion with a closed mind : )
China has the world's sole ASBM (antiship ballistic missile) system, which can split an aircraft carrier in two with one strike raining in from outer space at hypersonic speed. It was thought to a vaporware but the Chinese has publicly declared that the weapon system has been deployed as live operational units to various regions in Guangdong province. The carriers are now sitting ducks at the Chinese pleasure. China has also develop passive radar that can detect F22 stealth fighters, which is why Washington has stopped their production. China's J20 stealth can shot those F22 off the skies like an automated flies killing machine would.
us navy has 11 aircraft carriers, 400,000 soldiers, nuclear submarines all over the world, and new technology. ANd as i said before, usa has many resources, china will runout sooner or later
China has the world's first freeway straddling bus system that straddle across a freeway over all other smaller cars, thus relieving traffic jam, now that's innovation americans lack.
China never hosted the 2,000 year old Olympics game. But when it did in 2008, it became #1 by beating the gold medal count of the world's "superpower" by a large margin. Americans are not known for quality, e.g., their cars always failed after 1 year compared to the Japanese.
China has 450 million English speakers, more than the western world combined. Of course, Chinese remains the #1 most used language in the world since time immemoral.
China has the world's sole commercial maglev rail system and its Pudong International Airport makes La Guardian or LAX looks like a pothole bowling alley.
the usa has military bases all over world
that's why the US is hated around the world. The Middle East, Africa, and S. America is looking up to China to help sovle their problems. US and its enemies are looking down at each other on how to do 9/11 one better.
Can we all get along? Thing goes around come around. God have eyes and ears too.
Sorry I can't read Chinese. ^
Genghis
A third of Chinese speak English (including babies!!)??. Factually, not even in upper scale Hotels (except the international franchises) there are more than one or two persons doing so
A hamburquer cost $ 1.00 in the US, for this price you can by 7 in China?? THIS SHOWS THAT YOU ARE POSTING FROM CHINA and do not know anything of the conditions here. Plstell us where you buy hamburquers for $ 1.00??!
By the way, the price in any moreor less important city in China is between $ 1 – 2,00
Of course, you have the time availble to flood this and other blogs, under diffrenet names, being paid for do so.
Anyway, the combination of Chinese Billionnaires and surviving bulk of miser salaries or income of the population, exploited by the billionnaires and their government associates, will explode anyway, sooner or late. As you are Chinese
and seem to be able to read, have you heard of the peasant reviolts trough the Chinese history??
And the building of supertrains (which cannot be afforded by the poor) and the theatrical Olympic games, instead to provide wells in the Northwest for the water craving poplation there, following the Roman precept "panem et circenses" (bread and circus) but very little bread, wiill not work in the modern wrld, inspite of all the efforts of the Govenments!
Plstell us where you buy hamburquers for $ 1.00??!
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Stupid americans, don't even know where to buy $1 burger: Carl junior, Bigmac, Burger king, etc:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&rlz=1R2ADSA_enUS423&q=%241+burger&rlz=1R2ADSA_enUS423&aq=f&aqi=g5&aql=t&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a9acdcd2312857c2
No wonder americans are poor, they spend $5 at Carl Senior when Carl Junior sell them for $1, including spicy chicken burger. i go to California all the time and buy those junk food because i'm on the road alot.
'Carl Sr'? Are you for real?? There is no such thing!!! And a burger at Carls Jr. is certainly more than $1. FYI, there is no restaurant called 'BigMac', which is a name of a burger sold by McDonalds. And a Big Mac is certainly more than $1. If you want to buy a $1 burger at McDonalds, you're looking at a child-sized burger from the dollar menu, not a full-sized burger. You obviously aren't from the U.S., as your post shows that you only know what you google. Any person living in this country would know any of the things I just posted here, which kind of undermines the credibility of what you're posting.
The only validity I see in your earlier post is the more general point that you can't assume that a dollar (or any other currency for that matter), has the same spending power in one country as it does in another–this is very true. So you can't base an assessment of China's standard of living on how many US dollars the average citizen's salary would be equivalent to, unless you first know the practical spending power of that dollar within the country (e.g., you'd first need to know how many US dollars it would cost to rent an apartment per month or buy a house in China).
In a few years when the glaciers that supply much of China's & India's water are gone, these two countries will probably go to war over what water is left. Which gets me to my second point: For a country that on the surface seems so intelligent; why can't they supply clean drinking water to their people and baby formula that doesn't kill babies to their population. The answer to that one in once again, is unfettered capitalism. No regulations, no regard for life, just the bottom line. American Corporations and the Chinese government, a marriage made in hell.
Yes, this is SUPERCAPITALISM, which even Karl Marx, in the 19th century, could not imagine!!
Meaning,as you say, unrestrained capitalistic exploitation of the population, enforced by a communist system!
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GENGHIS!!
A third of Chinese speaks English (including babies!!)??. Factually, not even in upper scale Hotels (except the international franchises) there are more than one or two persons doing so
A hamburger costs $ 1.00 in the US, for this price you can buy 7 in China?? THIS SHOWS THAT YOU ARE POSTING FROM CHINA and do not know anything of the conditions here. Pls tell us where you buy hamburqers for $ 1.00 here??!
By the way, the price in any more or less important city in China is between $ 1 – 2,00
Of course, you have the time availble to flood this and other blogs, under diffrenet names, being paid for do so.
Anyway, the combination of Chinese Bilionnaires and the barely surviving bulk of miser salaries or income bulk of the population, exploited by the billionnaires and their government associates, will explode anyway, sooner or late.
As you are Chinese and seem to be able to read, have you heard of the peasant revolts through the Chinese history??
And the building of supertrains (which cannot be afforded by the poor) and the theatrical Olympic games, instead to provide wells in the Northwest for the water craving poplation there, following the Roman precept "panem et circenses" (bread and circus) but very little bread, wiill not work in the modern wrld, inspite of all the efforts of the Govenments!
April 2, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Reply
Elger,
we don't care about stupid english grammars, which are full of contradictions. UN Charter in Chinese has half as many pages as it is in English. Tell you which language is more efficient. I can read archaeology finds from 6,000 years ago written in ancient Chinese script because 80% of the Chinese script has not change for 6,000 years. english don't even existed then.
Looks like the Japs are better at disasster relief, look at how dumb Bush did to katrina. that diaseter relief was a disaster itself. If China send the US a few nukes, the entire diaster relief effort in the US would collapse. Well, if not nukes, perhaps financial nukes such as selling off its U$ holdings.
The more you post, the more inadequate, weak and insecure you look.
China is a great country with a fantastic culture.....your rantings do it a great disservice.
you have the best military in the world.
and you united 53 countries fighting with china, north-korea and limited air-support of soviet in the korean-war.
and what was it?
china and north-korea had nothing then!
and now china has the best nuke bombs and missles of the world.
The Communist system has been tried and found lacking.
Trouble is that rabid Capitalism is just as bad, if not worst, for the majority of the working class, and especially for the poor.
In America neither Republicans nor Democrats are really concerned with the health and well being of the constituencies they represent. They are really looking out for the interests of the corporations that gave them major funding to their last election. Every politician is concerned with reelection, and indebted to their corporate patrons. So in America working citizens vote between the 2 candidates the multinational corporations pick for them. This is why America is not only the richest country in the world, it is also the poorest.
The bottom line is these people are getting paid nothing to make our clothes and electronics. Its only a matter of time before they revolt and want better money and living standards. China is a dump if you ask me. They are a bunch of Copy Cats too. Good job china for using top gun as your promo video for you lame jet. You guys must really be ID10Ts.
Reading all these comments is time I wish I could get back. I must admit, I'm amused that there are so many CIA agents present today.
What was interesting was that Chinese intellectuals themselves had been so reticent about proclaiming an alternative to the American way of doing things. Chinese leaders have long been reluctant to portray their country as an alternative centre of global gravity, fearing that to do so might drag them into conflict with the pre-eminent superpower.
Confucius said "all rioters and revolutionaries come from the hopeless place", and it may explain "Are the Chinese raring for revolution?"
young chinese are just like my tiger babies, disciplined, driven, motivated and promising. many of them also are armed with broken English.
I could write a long essay discussion Chinese history both ancient and modern and current attitudes but it's a waste of time. In short, to answer the question of the article, "NO".
Chinese culture, like most east asian culture, is a collectivist culture. The emphasis is on social harmony rather than individual "rights", and of course, asians think of "personal rights" in very different ways from westerners.
In japan, we didn't see looting and violence after the earthquake-tsunami because people thought their personal discomforts were less important than alleviating the discomfort of society. The goal is to keep society stable, even if it means a few personal sacrifices.
The same attitude is in China. Why do you think "social harmony" is such an oft repeated term in that country but practically unheard of here? Journalists must have been lazy students to not understand this basic difference in outlook between asian and western cultures. Both have it's pros and cons.
It must drive some americans crazy to know that the capitalist system was saved by loans floated by the Chinese Communist Party led government. Seems like Chinese are optimistic about future due to economic growth. Hey this growth has been led by the Communist Party- unless you want to argue that China is not really a dictatorship and some regions have economic freedom.
If Chinese want to amend their political system- they have that right- in their own way.
Our political system has some value- individual right to hold government officials accountable (but kind of tough in practice). Maybe China will adopt this part of US System.
Why on earth would anyone want our Congress or our 3 branches of government. OUr system is made for gridlock and thats what we get
Let Chinese figure out their changes and WE NEED to figure out ours!
All you Dalai Lama boosters need to step back. This is a CIA funded do nothing. He gets a subsidy every month from our tax money and where are his work reports? he does nada!
For all those westerner who are defending you system, your comments remind me a say from a Chinese general – "USA has a best system but can be run by the stupidest people". It is so true. I will add – China has a not most perfect system but can be run by the best people and get the best results. This is very true as well. As long as american can elect the best people as their leaders (including those Congressmen), USA will be all right. The same applies to China. As long as Chinese can get their best leaders (including local leaders and those Peoples's representatives), China will continue their development. Election in the west can not guarrantee them to get the best leaders, for instance, you guys in USA may elect Trump or Polin as your President in next election who are total idiots. You see? nothing is absolute. As long as people happy, you can not say which system and the way of governing is right or wrong. Like Mr Deng has said "Practice is the only way to test the truth". If you American have practiced your system and think and feel it is good, keep it and keep it for yourself. If Chinese have experieced their system and feel happy about it, be it and nobody should judge it or point finger to Chinese. For those American who are fighting for your system, enjoy you life but please do not put your nose in to other people's affair. Otherwise you will have a bleeding nose
If the Chinese people are so dam happy all of a sudden, why do the factories still have suicide nets all around them? Over a billion people enslaved and treated like garbage by their government. Their government is afraid of the people, that is why they censor anything that shows the excessive freedoms of other cultures. It is a backwards country, and I wish the US would loosen its dependence on their goods.
Dan, if you are well informed, you will learn that most suicides occurred in the companies owened by either Taiwanese or westerners who are only care for their business but exploit young Chinese farmer workers. For censoring issue, partially because western media are full of biased and prejudiced reporst on other countries, especially on Chinese and China. They are full of rumers, gossips and racist. These things are only good for brainwashing people like you. I have lived in the west for more than 20 years and I feel that the western media is 100 time worse than Chinese communist propaganda. More and more Chinese in west countries have lost their believe and trust on the western media. Events occurred around 2008 Olympics have totally ripped off western media 's hypocritical masks towards Chinese and China.
Well said, Dan. Unfortunately, people these days prefer to live in a delusion so that they don't have to face the consequences of their actions or the actions of others. They refuse to believe truth, be it good or evil.
With15 trillions national debt, depressed housing market...are we better off than any third world countries? With goverment forcing web hosting companies to drop Wikileaks account, are we really living in democracy? With the "real" jobless rate going up to 30% in the near term once our governmment stop lying about the numbers and hyperinflation in the making...I can see we will have a" revolution" at our own doorsteps when people start lining up at the soup kitchen, just like our great grandparents did...
You idiots: You are 100% correct. Let's worry about our own problems!
Who said US is a democratic country? How about a money-cratic country?
So now the 50 cent party is calling themselves "Chinese students". They just happen to be on cnn, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. And every other popular social comment media, for that matter. In all cases, one should look at what China does, not what it says. Don't believe a word any of them say. They are manipulators who will play any game to get you to drop your guard. Watch what China actually is doing. There is no rationale to disagree with this, if they do it's because they know they are up to no good..
Come on, most Chinese students get paid hundreds of $ hourly, with their Harvard, Yale, Princeton Ph.D.s.
50 cent is your hourly rate from CIA, not others.
Some countries in this global don't want to see China is going better and better...
they can see it because when u are in the frame u can't see the picture. westerners have been framed by their own propaganda that they are feeding upon themselves, i.e., eating their own dog food. Having creating a web of lies for the rest of the world, the consequence is their own population is robbed of truth and live another day to build more web of lies for internal consumption. Leave them alone. As long as their judgment of global affairs of colored, they will make more mistakes. The constituents will vote the wrong people into office who will perpetuate more wrong policies. Leave them alone, do not interrupt the enemy when they are making mistakes.
the word "progress" is subjective .... so what were the people thinking of when answering the question? Economically, social freedoms? what?
US's national debt is about $15 trillion = its GDP. Japan's national debt is $11 trillion = twice its GDP. China national debt is negative $3 trillion = surplus of 0.6 GDP. Including its ownership of American debt of $1 trillion, China's national debt is a surplus of 0.8 GDP. Those figures are from western World Bank and Int'l Monentary Funds, which the rest of the world are discarding as institutions that nose into sovereign states affairs. Most African countries are dumping the western aids for the no-string-attached loans from China. Welcome to the Chinese Century; we are living in interesting time.
The Western Consensus is a total failure and is dead, long lie the successful Beijing Consensus. Do not interrupt an enemy when they are making more mistakes, aka, color revolution spendings by western countries in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, you name it. We are amassing a number of 9/11 in the making. Time to watch the show, bring it on.
Remember it isn't just the US that stands in China's way. We are targeted because we have the top spot that China covets. But you also have to deal with India, Japan, South Korea, Europe, and probably Russia. Russia doesn't really like China, it doesn't trust the West but that will probably change over time. Indonesia? I mean really, you have a lot on your plate. That's why you are here trying to soften us up with your words. But we know better. You can't deliver on the actions.
So much illusional ranting, zero facts!!
Apparently your soup does have some chemical in it. Go check your brain out, retards!!
I never expect to see these uneducated comments here (CNN), am I ever wrong!
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You silly boyz & girls, stop posting s hits like these1 Ok...?
game over, the truths expose the lies of the West.
Come here little boy
aren't there any mods on this board? this is freaking out of control.
Hey Yo Yo, this is America! Freedomm of speech & non censor internet! R U stupid?
First time I agree with an article. You dont jump ship when it is the rising star of the world in peace, economics and military and has already outclassed the US of A and Europe in every form.
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Well I would think they should be better off than five years ago, considering they own all of our money... These articles should probably actually start comparing us instead of China to Egypt.
Our money? You mean once in my pocket always belong to me?
All you need to know about freedom in China is that not even Google would put up with their censorship, even with the enormous market of users.
Look at what the communists are doing in America: the state unions want their free rides to continue, and the taxpayers have had enough. The people here actually vote, and things actually change in WI, IN, OH, NJ. Real democracy. Finally an end to this one-party rule where the dems give away the farm in negotiations to state workers who then kick millions back in campaigns. Maybe IL and CA can wake up and see why they are swimming in debt. This is what happens when the state owns the means of production in so many areas. Gross inefficiencies. China may not have the debt problem, but the state is not as efficient as the private sector.
Life is a series of tradeoffs. In America we have a 2nd Amendment that backs up all the other freedoms (and causes thousands of unnecessary deaths). In China, you have Tiananmen Square (basically Kent State on a 100- or 1000-fold scale), and the populace is cowered for decades.
Freedom for 300 million in the USA, vs. billions of sheeple in China?
Without the goal of seeking Cathay and without the Chinese Compass, Columbus would have fallen of the cliff beyond the horizon, never mind (re)discovering America milleniums after the Asiatic tribes called American Indians. We all know that Admiral Zheng He is the first state player to discover America centuries before Columbus. His Armada was the largest in the world, travel past the Cape of Good Hope bringing peace, gifts, and message of good governance from the Emperor of the Celestial Empire. He could have colonize all the lands he visited, but because of his Muslim and Confucius culture, he did not, nor was it the nature of Chineseness to do any such barbaric thing that is symbolic of western cultures.
Americans are unreasonably optimistic about their economic circumstances. The middle class is fast disappearing while we "whistle past the graveyard" and a certain element seems determined to give their birthright to the multinational corporations.
After reading so many mad comments on both sides, I only liked this one and REALLY liked this one the most: "enjoy you life but please do not put your nose in to other people's affair. Otherwise you will have a bleeding nose." (@ Chimerica)
To add on, I would say "don't punch the stinky nose too hard, otherwise you would've got broken fingers which you won't enjoy" – have fun, every one!
Slant eyes never like the big nose, too nosey and barbaric.
Of course they are optimistic.. they are going to supplant america as the world's economic power, just as we did great britain.. The u.s. is in the same position Britain was in 1910-1919 ... our economy is hollowed out.. all we have is military muscle, and we are destroying that in 2 wars we are not winning.. nor will we have the economic power to rebuild it after it iis exhausted.
bozo, u r no clown. You speak the truth and that's where america is heading - down.
The comment from those typical American kwok zucking kwok zucker/BS artists is simple amazing.
Grow up, America. To call China a communist country is both preposterous and naive. I wonder how the views from college textbooks differ so much from those held by the general public. Is it because textbooks are actually updated on a yearly basis while the public is stuck in the same old mental model?
China is NOT communist. Yes, the ruling party is called the Chinese Communist Party, but it doesn't mean the political and economical system are. There are probably more privately-owned enterprises there than in the US, considering the US government is handing out cash like they are toilet paper.
And for the last time people, Communism and Democracy are not antonyms. Learn your facts before you make a fool out of yourself. I guess Americans are so used to this Ideological war that they don't even realize that themselves. But the world is laughing at you behind your back.
Actually, Mao would be proud of what his legacy has created- an ever progressive, totalitarian, Godless society. Yes, it's not old school communism, but it is, in fact, Maoism (or Deng's improv', Socialism with Chinese Characteristics). The economy may be opening up more, but it is still overshadowed by the CCP, which does retain its hardline stance. As my good friend (whom I met in China) hesitantly told me, "everything in China is ok, just don't talk about politics." Good times, in a place where anything can still be misconstrued as "counter-revolutionary."
By the way, the difference between college and public textbooks is the freedom of choice. I would know, it's only been a couple of years.
Talk about ignorance. Comparing China to Egypt is a joke. America gives China a bad name for no reason. China is a much, much better place to live than Egypt. The people aren't desperate like Egyptians, and contrary to what the American media says, the Chinese respect and appreciate their government. I should know, I've spent some quality time in both nations.
It's the economy, stupid.
淡定淡定，这些说中国坏话的都是羡慕嫉妒恨～
People who visit China have no idea about the real China. The Chinese Communist Party practices slavery, torture and even organ harvesting on its own people.
The U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution Tuesday, Mar.16, 2010, urging the Chinese Communist Party to end its decade-long campaign against Falun Gong and expressing solidarity with victims of persecution in China.
House Resolution 605 recognizes, “the continued persecution of Falun Gong practitioners in China on the 11th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party campaign to suppress the Falun Gong spiritual movement and calling for an immediate end to the campaign to persecute, intimidate, imprison, and torture Falun Gong practitioners.” “The Falun Gong spiritual discipline is based on truthfulness, compassion, and tolerance,” said Ros-Lehtinen. “Yet these innocents are brutally targeted by the Chinese regime. The stark reality which this resolution addresses gives new meaning to the phrase 'Butchers of Beijing.’”
The Governments of the World are aware of these atrocities and many more but continue to do business as usual because of corporate greed.
We should worry about our Guantánamo Bay first....
No, we should worry about your mental capacity first, then any injustices the U.S. may or may have not committed.
The biggest difference between China and Egypt is Chinese president, no matter how bad, has a term limit. If they don't like the current one, just wait a few more years. You can't say the same for Egypt or Libya.
I agree. The Egyptians complained about the lack of democracy, but this arguments stems from a lack of economic progress and job availability. China as we all know is booming economically. The Chinese may not have political freedoms, but many of them are willing to let this go in order to have a bigger house, a car, and many other trappings of a better life. It's very similar to how we were so willing to give up our freedoms after 9/11 to prevent another terrorist attack. "I'm going to give up this in order to get that."
I may be hard for Americans to understand. Chinese has been having strong central government for the last 5,000 years. Government influenced market economy is not just limited to China either. Has anybody realized that Japan's economy is more or less well controlled by the Japanese government as well. It is the way those countries has been functioning for thousands of years. In a sense, those government listen to people as well. Past Chinese history has shown that people will change their government if they are not happy about them, just some bloody revolution. So far, Chinese people are quite happy about their situation though. Don't mistake that current events in Arab world is because democracy is better, it is just because people in Arab have hard time economy-wise and they want government to change. Apparantly, their only alternative to dictator ship is calling for democracy. Is it going to be democracy in Arab world, we have yet to see.
China has a lot of problems, just like those who criticize China have pointed out: more economic freedom but less political freedom compared to the US; Dalai Lama is viewed by some negatively in China; Xiaobo Liu is under arrest; ....
Even so, China seems unstoppable. When those flaws are corrected, China will be even more formidable.
China may do business with with some "repressive" regimes, but NATO countries help terrorists: bin Laden in Afghansitan; "freedom fighters (whose second leader was jailed in Pakistan for aiding Taliban)" in Lybia.
A deep question: Why China is not hated in most continents and even highly appreciated and liked in Africa and South America? Why the NATO countries, especially the US, are disliked by people everywhere? Why?
In a townhall meeting, an old lady asked: Why do you bomb those people and their cities?
Sarkozy and Obama: Because they are terrorists.
The old lady: Why are they terrorists?
Sarkozy and Obama: Because we are bombing them!
You see the problem? The western countries are so obviously heading downhill, unstoppable.
What amazes me is that so many people from all those parts of the globe that love China, all those places where neither individual Americans nor our diplomats are welcomed or liked, want to crowd in here to this "hated place"
WITH us! And they do it willingly! They do it both legally by normal immigration procedures AND illegally by sneaking across our borders!! I guess they hate us so much that they are willing to abandon those lovely places to come
here and SHOW us how much we are hated...Amazing, isn't it? Your question is really not so "deep", Mr. Ma.
And how many people from those places that like China, the "rising...peace keeping...formidable star" that you
describe...How many are desperately slipping into YOUR piece of the planet because they "love" you so much?
Using a historical basis for current egregious transgressions will not bring justice and humane treatment to Tibetans.
Well, go read about the brutal slave society under Dalai Lama in Tibet before 1951.
And then read CIA's inside story: http://www.ciaintibet.com/
Before jumping on the Tibet bandwagon, first look who is driving it ...
Apparently, you didn't read hsgrad's post. By the way, you would make a great spokesman for the CCP, as I've been to Tibet and have seen the likes in their historical museums. Now can you please explain why armed soldiers were on many street corners, in public squares and on rooftops? Or how it is that my tour guide told us not to take pictures of the soldiers, or to even look at them?! Grow up and stop trying to justify evil.
This is such a sad place to be. Almost all of you needs to go live in China for a week or two before you have the RIGHT to judge other people.
God made the world in seven days...and everything else is made in China..
The world is a playground for Satan. Marx, Hitler, Mao and the like were all too in touch with that truth, using it as any demon would, to discount that very truth that they are fallen and that Christ is King. Satan seeks only to destroy any light that would expose his evil and bring justice for God. Only when the Spirit of Christ is lifted off this earth and my God reveals Himself to all of those who have prevailed in this delusion and darkness will the world see truth of His existence. Repent now and surrender your life to HIs Life.
Chairman Mao was born on December 26th, a day after Christ. He is the new anointed Messiah of the world. For starters, 1.3 billion people follow his teachings and his 12 disciple lead by Premier Deng to resurrected China as the new Middle Kingdom to slay the Great Satan. After that, peace will befall Earth and the Dalai Lama will reincarnate no more (lies).
Genghis, your statement is the most ridiculous one that I ever heard! Under Mao's dictatorship, millions of people died of starvation, political allies/opponents, scholars & theirs families died of political conflicts or exiled to labor camps in remote country sides, not to mention the merit of Chinese culture and humanities have gone due to his cruelty, Look at some Chinese's behaviors today. it's the mirror of what the communists did in the past to their people, LAWLESS! Mao was the evil from hell,may he still burning in hell now.
Mao Zedong Thought is responsible for millions of deaths and counting...Jesus Christ saved the world entire.
Chairman Cow: Did your mom drop you head first when she gave birth to you or you are an inbreed? You are such a retard. Go see a doctor first before you continue on commenting here. Need some Prozac...?
What are we talking about here? We are not even allowed to buy a Cuban cigar or travel to Cuba. Most people are so poor that they cannot afford prescription drugs and the Labour Unions are breeding a bunch of lazy "leeches" that cannot produce. The only thriving industries we have are Drug Dealings and Prostituitions.
What are we talking about here? We are not even allowed to buy a Cuban cigar or travel to Cuba. Most people are so poor that they cannot afford prescription drugs and the Labour Unions are breeding a bunch of lazy "leeches" that cannot produce. The only thriving industries we have are Drug Dealings and Prostituitions.
I was born in PRChina. I live in Canada right now. I'm going to visit my gf in Oregon next week. Life is awesome! Let me tell all of you whom live in North America, I and every single Chinese who moved to here AIN'T RETARDS! We are here because this is a place, better quality of life, and greater future. You can praise China in anyway you want. I ain't going back to there for sure.
Thank you for sharing such refreshing insight! Most negativity about China is due to the fact that it has a deceptive, corrupt, and murderous government. To call this "racism" against Chinese people is just another cry of ignorance from pathetic fools, who refuse to accept the truth. They forget, and even despise, the very freedom that gives them the right to make such accusations in the first place.
Good luck to you and all individuals who love freedom!
I am in the same shoe but I see a slightly different picture than you. On absolute level, yes, they are still way behind, so I am not going back either. On relative level, they have however made impressive progress.
Many of my classmates who stayed behind are doing much better than me. However to do well in a relative “raw” market like China you need certain “raw” skills - being able to navigate the bureaucrats and bribe officials “properly” is probably a must. I do not have that skill so I cannot thrive on that market.
However if you compare the same market with what it was 10 years ago, you would see phenomenal improvements. Comparing with merely a few years ago, there are much more serious business people. There are much more serious businesses today. There are even significant more better-paying jobs even thought they still have a far way to go to close down all the sweet shops.
Based on that I would side with the findings in this survey. I think it’s important to distinguish “whether things are good in China” and “whether China is moving forward”. I think you see things are still bad in China, while most people in China do see things as moving forward. Both are true it’s just a matter of which one strikes you more.
I have no idea about US, but I have studied in UK for 2 years. I want say something:
1. China is not that poor as most west poeple think, they said my family must be very rich to afford me study here, actually my family is just in middle level in China. and there are a lot of UK young people can not afford university fee even it is three time cheaper than international students.
2.By now no west students around me can speack chinese, which means they cant get the information from chinese press or TV, so most of them are get information from UK media. and none of them have been to China before. In their mind, it seems Chinese people are still living in very poor village.
3. most chinese students feel UK is already fall behind from many countries even compare with asia contries...
4. over 90% students want go back China as some reasons like more Job opportunies, City Life, chip living price while reasonal salary.
5. People complain about the medical treatment here..While UK new paper promote they have best medical treatment in the world.
6. Companies here work uneffecient and offer disappoint service. two weeks for opening bank account and one month for opening internet in house. most asia countries as i know are less than 3 days.
7. I think People here only read news and post from US and UK. In Japan people only read news from US, UK, France, German... and In China,
Chinese people like to spend time to improve themselves to have enough capability to competiition while people here always complain or strike, and very few UK students go on study master or PHD as they more likely to spend time in pub and club. You may ask me so why i came here UK for study. The same reason. because when I was in China, I knew everything about UK is advanced. So after my experience in UK, I know that If you want judge on someting, to experience it is much better than get secondary inforamtion. or read native language news or posts is good way to understand a country i think.
Wonderful, sensible, and truthful video of the state of affairs in China and the world. I salute you for your objectivity and nominate you for the Confucious Peace Prize. I'm happy for you because you uncover the truth and I'm happy for the Chinese that we can still find westerners whom we can call friends. Keep that up and spread the truth. It takes more than an Obama Peace Prize to bring peace (he didn't in Libya). You matters and your effort at bridging the propaganda divide is honorable and ethnical. May peace be with you.
one day the world will be dominated by small weiners. "ching chong chewy"
Im a amerwican. not kowean
@CIA IN TIBET: I've viewed "The Shadow Circus: The CIA in Tibet." What is your point? Does this activity somehow
justify China committing Tibetan cultural and religious genocide, and (according to sources) the murder of 1.2 million
Tibetans?
Chairman Cow:Show us how you surrender your life first. You need to stop posting your religious stuff here. Did your mom drop you head first when she gave birth to you or you are an inbreed? You are such a retard. Go see a doctor first before you continue on commenting here. Need some Prozac...?
I am heartened to see the hatred of the Commie Chinese I see here. Some of their people are kind and good but by and large they are enemies of freedom and democracy. They are an oppressive regime and one of arrogance and brutality. We should stop buying their junk and let them sink back into the third world dump they are beneath the facade.
You mean borrowing to buy ?
Is America raring for revolution ?
Sure is; its national debt is U$15 trillion. Its GDP is U$15 trillion. Americans are stagnant economically much like a cesspool is stagnant.
Only on anonymous forums like this one. They are quick to call for revolutions in other countries (like China) but don't lift a finger when their's goes off track and invades Iraq.
Patriot act anyone?
Everytime an american buys something from the dollar store – chinese made – they give away their future and their children's future to the chinese.
Americans have nothing to give to $store; americans are subsiding on Chinese largeness via Yuan Loans. With the loans, Freedic Mac and Fannie Mae would have collapse and your house foreclosed. Time to kowtow to the new landlord and put on that leash yourself. Americans are some ethnically different from each other that they need to concord concept such as freedom and democrazy to avoid cutting each others' throat. The homogeneous Japanese and the Chinese need no such contraptions; we are the singularity.
The Bush regime is brutal. First they devise lies so that they can invade a sovereigh Iraq. Then then kill almost 2 millions of Iraqis, directly and indirectly, through two brtual wars against humanity in Iraq. Instead of abstaining, China should have veto such atrocity of the West.
Why are dog handlers still running the gitmos in the USA? Time for more water boarding?
We will close down Gitmo after we march the foreign prisoners into a stadium to be publically executed as half-time entertainment during the Super Bowl. And then charge their embassies forthe bullets used!
The Bush regime lets millions died of starvation in Katrina. China built 100,000s of mobile homes within months of the devastating Szechuan earthquake. From Dr. King to Ronnie King, the american society lacks fundamental human rights.
"Ronnie" King? A buddy of yours?
no, your retarded brother.
Stop diverting from the topic: Did the West invade and drug China during Opium War? Did anyone offer an apology yet? Did anyone return the looted Chinese treasures in British/American/... museums yet?
"Looted" Treasures in Western museums? You mean the items that escaped being destroyed in the Cultural Revolution?
Or submerged under dammed water.
Millions died in Katrina? Reading the Chinese press again?
No, pravda, Saudi Daily, Venuzuela Sun, Brazil Ringo
10% yearly GDP growth is worth a bit of political oppression, most Chinese agree on this.
In conclusion: China has money – Egypt doesn't.
China is an imperialist country.
After living in China for over a decade I can say they have made some remarkable changes during that time. That said, these changes were limited in scope and only lasted until the desired effect was achieved ie; Olympics, WTO membership, WHO. If you don't believe this review any one of these events and look at the after effects........
Stop posting just for the sake of posting to make yourself sounds informative! I have been to different regions in China on business for the last 15 years and I know you are full of shit or you are a retard.
The bikinis suffered more nuclear radiation as guinea pigs for western nuke test on their island then the Hiroshima and nagasaki. Only savages and barbarians would do something so heinuous to those beautiful bikinis, not to mention the western world is the most decadents while the veil-up muslim women are most virtuous. and those Nevada citizens were also exposed to the rogue regimes in DC that test nukes on their own soil and said those radiation are good fertilisers for milk cows.
CNN, a rogue media, that;s all
What kind of reputable magazine publishes an editorial with a pointless, sensationalist title like that? in this age of sound bite, an inflammatory title like that can do a lot of damage. Next time you want to suck in hits for your counter, just call it" Lindsay Lohan preggers with Paris Hilton's love child".
China in a revolution? They'll never let it happen. They have no problem in shooting/blowing up anyone who fights the regime. They'll all be squashed like bugs and the U.S. will do nothing but pay lip service to it. Why? Because the Chinese government owns over $1 Trillion of our debt.
Hello Bob, Your comment demonstrates you have a simplistic mind. Stop posting 30 years old recycle material.
You just have to walk around China talking to college students and factory workers to get this same exact picture. The majority of Chinese I met feel very optimistic about the future and don't feel the need for rapid government change (aka revolution). The only thing they are pushing for is eliminating corruption, which is a theme also played by politicians there.
I feel sorry for the posters who feel Chinese live in complete denial. They know their media and internet is censored. But tangible progress is easily seen whenever they look out their window, or eat a well made dinner. So why should they burn their bras or protest like the Egyptians when things are already moving forwards?
Anyone posting here live in the present? Because it seems everybody here is worried about the past. You might want to try living in the present and thinking to the future. And also, could one of you possibly post an answer instead of a moaning and groaning.
NASA shuts down the moon exploration program because america is broke and broken. China build a Taiwan-size island as a space and submarine port. Who has the future? Hint: Martians who's first language is Mandarin Chinese. China is the #1 power for over 85% of her 6,000 years history, India was second. Get a perspective as Obama said when he was awed at the Great Wall. Americans in denial are hit by a wall of facts versus FoxNews-type propaganda. Daily doses of western propaganda is waste than nuke radiation, they turn yankees to colorless zombies.
I'm not sure where you're getting your reference to (non-existent) Martians...
The poll is reliable as there is 40% of middle class in China, please follow link below. The Chinese government is encouring ist citizens to invest in gold & silver due to the eventual collapse of "Fiat" currencies (wrldwide) while our government keep on printinf "fiat" money out of thin air, from QE1 to QE2 and QE3 in the near future...
Once hyper-inflation comes, we should worry about "REVOLUTION IN AMERICA" instead.
http://financialsense.com/contributors/julian-phillips/where-has-silver-come-from-and-where-is-it-going
So sarry prease, ching chang chong, when is the revorution prease?
All I know is that I picked up 2 St.Petersburgh condos for $69000 each at a 70% discount. Who cares there is a revolution in China or America. Money talks!
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There is alot of bull shit on this page about China and US being dirty and vice-versa, with that aside, Chinese have had a one child policy in effect for a couple generations now and thus producing "spoiled" children who want more out of their lives (sorta acting like Americans..imagine that). Revolution maybe a bit harsh but you will see a steady push to Democratic side as the education and affluence of these two generations increases with maturity. Matter of time before they start to mirror the United States, Japan and the EU.
Mirror US, Japan & Europe...? The top three regions that are going to have their economy totally collapse within the next 5 years(if not sooner). I am very concern about your mental capacity! If you say mirror "Singapore", that is more like it.
I respectfully disagree with Mr. Bell and just say that when dealing with statistics, context is everything.
Some countries don't allow for a public discussion about leadership change or public vehment criticism of the ruling party, with serious prison time for those breaching such a premise, ongoing for 60 years. Some countries make their citizens click an extra time to get on real Google, apparently to monitor those who do so. If one lives in such a society and they are asked by a pollster, "How optimistic is your outlook ?", inevitably the answer is a reflection on the government running your country. How much honesty can you expect from citizens when polled in CCP's China, Kim Jong Il's North Korea, or in Than Shwe Inc.'s Burma? Can you blame them?
Also the article asks you to accept the premise that hardship is the driving force behind revolutions trying to oust their governments. It is a major factor but there are several. Sometimes the simplest truths are the most revealing. Most people on this planet believe that it is reprehensible that citizens of China are going to prison for 8 or 11 years for doing what many of us do here sometimes, go on-line and talk about talking about a leadership change for their country. Getting an candid evaluation from Chinese citizens on such topics has the feel of pulling someone toward an electric fence.
Mr. Bell may think that it is lost on the citizens of China that an increasing perspective is vital to the health of their country, and that a free flow of infomation is imperitive for that to ocur. Google, Twitter, Facebook and the internet all played a role in bringing down the dictatorships in Egypt and Tunisia. The CCP tried to crush Google, and barely tolerates other such entities. If the CCP are the wisest, most brilliant minds in all of China to lead the country for the forseeable future, then they will remain in power for quite some time. If not, change is imminent.
You need to visit a country or two more often, borden your horizon and open your mind. Get out of your cave as the world has changed a lot in the last 15 years. To some, for better. To americans,for worse.
Your assumptions are totally false. I'll spare you my personal details as I tire of onslaughts from CCP agents, but suffice it to say that the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize winner, sitting in prison in China, doesn't need to get a little more perspective or visit more countries.
Two weeks ago, the CCP released two individuals from prison, one served 11 years the other, 8 years. Their crime? Going on the internet like many of us do sometimes and asking for a leadership change for their country.
People who defend a vile dictatorship to prove their lack of bias for their home country are being short-sighted and foolish.
In 2011, the CCP is still clearing parks and public spaces at the hint of a gathering of dissidents.
In 2011, the CCP the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize winner still sits in prison.
In 2011, all art galleries across China are vacuumed clean of any criticism of the ruling party.
In 2011, in all ways but economic or scientific, it's still 1951 at the Chinese Communist Party
To set the record straight, China is not my home country. I am a Canadian and travelled a lot on business to numerous countries around the world. China is not perfect & needs improvement in many areas. The topic of this blog is about "Revolution" and 99% of the comments here are off topic. China needs improvement in many areas as with U.S. & many other countries, but a "Revolution"...? Making comments about another country without setting foot on it is like a Monday morning Quarterback...
First of all the question presented, "Are the Chinese Raring for a revolution?", seems to me to be deliberately provocative to two audiences: 1) China lovers and 2) China haters. And the result of posing that question is as predictable as the sunrise as evidenced by the comments posted here. The answer to the question is plainly "No". The pollsters who did the survey about the relative "satisfaction" of the populations of the countries that were polled knew the answers they would get before they asked them. So the poll itself is relatively meaningless. It doesn't
matter whose press is "more" or "less" biased for or against China. The two groups are each going to react passionately against each other, and nothing is going to be learned by either side. That's because neither side wants
to hear the ugly "truth" about themselves.
you americans owe these chinks a lot of money now pay up! lol oh wait too broke can't pay up lol. and just leave them alone man what have these chinks done? leave their politics alone too
Ask Ai Wei Wei what they've done...Politics in china? Politics (and justice) in China is whatever the CCP says it is. You know it. If you like it that way you're welcome to it. You can have it. Just don't get it on me.
Interesting name that A Wee Wee. Who is that A Aee Wee anyway?
You must be a limey or froggy?
The governments these days no matter the ethnicity are all damn courrupt... we are all fools to go back in forth with one another trying to prove a meaningless point....lets sees stuff for what it really is, no countries government gives a damn about its people or their interests, never did never had never will thats the way the world is as it turns. If you think america is better move there, if you feel china is better move there, if you think india or anyother country is better move there either which way you will put up with b.s from its government I GUARNTEE IT
The chinese are pathetic! Taiwan is a free country! Formosa Forever!
Good for you. Just leave uncle Sam out of it. Hope you can be forever on your own.
You have a president in jail for corruption...
Americans are well liked around the world except people from Europe, Asia, South & Central America & Middle East...
Here we go again:
Ecuador says U.S. ambassador not welcomeBy the CNN Wire Staff
April 5, 2011 2:57 p.m. EDT
No one likes the police duh lol
What amazes me is that so many people from all those parts of the globe that you mention, all those places where neither
individual Americans nor our diplomats are welcomed or liked, want to crowd in here to this "hated place" WITH us! And
they do it willingly! They do it both legally by normal immigration procedures AND illegally by sneaking across our borders!!
I guess they hate us so much that they are willing to abandon all those lovely places to come here and SHOW us how
much we are hated...Amazing, isn't it?
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