Editor’s Note: The following is an edited portion of an interview with Kishore Mahbubani, the Dean of the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at the National University of Singapore. Mahbubani previously served for 33 years in Singapore’s diplomatic service and is the author of The New Asian Hemisphere, Can Asians Think? and Beyond the Age of Innocence.
Every time the United States or the West steps into an Islamic country it presents a major geopolitical gift to China. (When the U.S. decided to intervene in Libya) China was privately saying, “Great, go ahead! Go into more Islamic countries. Make my day.”
If you’re a logical, long-term, hard-headed geopolitical realist thinker from America it is very, very clear that the only country that can overtake the United States in absolute power - militarily, economically, in every sense - is China.
The Islamic world will not overtake America– not in my lifetime and not in your lifetime. So America should be devoting 90% of its resources on managing China and 10% of its resources on managing the Islamic world.
Instead it is spending 90% of its resources getting involved in the Islamic world - whether it is Iraq or Afghanistan or Palestine or Libya– and 10% of its time managing China. In so doing, America is revealing its geopolitical incompetence
The U.S.should engage China more seriously and try to work out a long-term, viable, geopolitical partnership with China. It should also give up its dream of achieving democracy in China. It should stop believing that a “Jasmine Revolution” is on the way and realize that this government in China is going to survive and possibly do very well.
You may wish for all kinds of worst-case scenarios for China, but as a geopolitical planner you should plan for the best-case scenario.
China is going to go from strength to strength. And if China is going to go from strength to strength and you spend all your time either in the Islamic world or having this absolutely ignorant domestic debate about how to cut the deficit, you’re just buying time for China.
A lot of my writings are intended to serve as a wake-up call to the West. I’m not anti-West nor am I anti-American - even though many people think I am. I’m actually just telling the West that you are acting against your own long-term geopolitical and economic interests in your policies towards the rest of the world. There was a time - and it lasted only 200 years - when the West could make decisions and the rest of the world had to comply. That era is gone, finished – poof!
Now the West has got to learn to understand what the rest of the world wants and pragmatically adjust. The biggest advantage that Asian countries have over the United States and other Western countries is that they’re very pragmatic and flexible and America has become ideological and dogmatic. America needs to become pragmatic and flexible too.
Unfortunately, American public intellectuals have an incestuous, self-referential and self-congratulatory discourse among themselves saying, “Aren't we the greatest in the world? Gee, aren't we wonderful?” And they don’t realize that Western power - including American power - is receding steadily in the world.
Look at Southeast Asia. After theU.S.won the Cold War, (Southeast Asia) was frankly an American lake. And then suddenly Americans became very arrogant after winning the Cold War and they said, “Hey, we don’t need the world; forget you.”
With a slow, pragmatic and often wise approach, China is advancing steadily in the world. I admire what the Chinese have done. It’s amazing how careful, deliberate, and systematic they are in their policies towards the rest of the world and how arrogant and ignorant American policies are.
If you want to learn about how to grow a country’s economy right now, please don’t go to Europe, don’t go to America; go to Asia. Frankly, the best governed country in the world - and I can say this somewhat immodestly - is Singapore.
Or even go to China.
Let me give you a very simple example. The most shocking thing I’ve learned recently for someone who lived in New York for 10 and a half years is that the Tappan Zee Bridge which carries thousands of cars can only survive another 10 years. Isn't that shocking? In the meantime, while you can't hold up one bridge across one river, guess what,China is building the world’s fastest trains and the world’s best airports.
I’ve flown several times, just by chance, directly from Shanghai to JFK (airport in New York). And when you fly from Shanghai airport to JFK, you’re flying from the first world to the third world. And yet Americans are not aware of how far they’ve fallen behind. The Americans cannot conceive of the idea that you can learn about governance from the rest of the world. China can and China does. China spends so much time studying best practices in the rest of the world and America spends no time studying best practices in the rest of the world.
So my message to America is that the clock is ticking. Time is no more on your side. And fortunately even today there are huge reservoirs of goodwill towards America in the world. Try to figure out how you can use these reservoirs of goodwill for the long-term benefit of America. Don’t waste them.
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Widening and opening understanding is crucial for long term economics, partnership with the biggest players such as China, India will be key going forward. It is well described and pointed out by Mr. Y's narrative and I personally agree should be the path for future innitiatives. Looking at Brazil, Chile, etc and their doing will show lights after 2008 recession where opportunities came apparent. Those are the kind of things that prevent falling behind. What's next step for US? What's the new era ? Will it make it as a leader or as a follower? For the timeframe is uncertain... but is sure thing the clock is ticking.
The American international politics is currently hijacked by a small group that is lobbying the government to give priority to the Middle East politics, including the Israel-Palestinian crisis and the Afghan war snafu. The Moveoveraipac group is trying to change the priorities on the international policy, but they will most likely fail since there is a lot of money being given to Washington's politicians. Meanwhile China will keep growing unrestrained and unnoticed and by the time the US feels the pressure it will be too late. A good read is John Mearsheimer article "China's challenge to US power"
The author is so full of himself and Asia, it's beyond belief. We've heard this before. Remember when everyone said Japan was going to take over the world. Guess what, it didn't happen did it? The Chinese have built a house of cards that is going to come tumbling down hard. They have built up their economy by artificially holding down the value of their currency. That won't work forvever and when their currency floats against the rest of the world, the party is over. Who do you think built all the modern facilities in Asia, it sure the hell wasn't China. It's western countries that have designed & built a ton of infrastructure in Asia – not Asians. Americans have been told for years that we are falling behind the rest of the world, yet we continously lead the world in innovations. We now lead the world in technology – it's not even close. All Asia has done is copy what we invent. These idiots don't get it – free will is the engine that drives innovation. China certainly doesn't embrace free will do they? China is no more a military threat to the US than Russia was or is. Do you wonder why the Russians never made a move against the evil Western Empire -the US? – BECAUSE THEY KNEW WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO COMPLETELY WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH – SAME THING APPIES TO CHINA. That why we don't focus on China – they have nothing we need.
@karl "That why we don't focus on China – they have nothing we need."
Uh, yeah other than making everything we buy, and having all our money. LMAO what a dolt!
Some of the respondents are clearly poorly versed in history. You can't compare China to Russia or Japan, due primarily to the fact that China is a threat on so many levels (education, manufacturing, financial, liquidity, scientific, etc.). Keep thinking that all they do is copy our stuff... they build our stuff. Last year the Chinese surpassed the US in number of filed patents, and in about five years they will have over 300 million people who are literate and considered middle class by our standards. That's the size of the entire US people.
Time to stop laughing and get our kids studying the fundamentals, reward them for hard work (not being smart), discipline them, bring our jobs back home, secure the fu***ing border, stop waging war on the entire middle east and balance our budget. = D
SO ANXIOUS... waiting for USA REVOLUTION!!! and see BUSH, CHENEEY and all others(Iraq war, WMD perpetrators) inline to the GALLOWS like they did to SADDAM!!! When shall this happen, maybe the world respect and admiration for the AMERICANS be back!!! That "will be" a true Democracy in USA!!!
@ Karl...That's the same arrogance and ignorance the author is talking about. While the major corporations are shipping jobs overseas to China and other countries and the politicians are sitting back counting their kickbacks China is steadily rising to power. They are under valuing their currency and can only do it for so long just as we over consumed our own resources and now depend on other countries to get them. The world is a ticking time bomb. China will take the place of the US pretty soon and at some point their currency will explode and when it does, THERE GOES THE WORLD.
"....China is no more a military threat to the US than Russia was or is. Do you wonder why the Russians never made a move against the evil Western Empire -the US? – BECAUSE THEY KNEW WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO COMPLETELY WIPE THEM OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH – SAME THING APPIES TO CHINA. That why we don't focus on China – they have nothing we need." I just want to comment on this" The way i see this is stupid think to say, Russian have capability to wipe whole living think on this planet (so and China). Just like USA. Reason they didn't done it, it's becouse nobody want that. Today politics remind me of highschool. Poking each other with a stick and see who lose it first and throw first punch, so other can use it to say " look this, thay out of control". I dont think anybody in this world want to have another Napolion or Hitler. Im Russian and now i live in USA. I want this country prosper, so is rest of the world. I dont want enother "Fall of Union" like it was in my childhood. To many people got left with nothing. To many famylis got destroyd. Today people talking about somethink they know nothing about. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK.
And other think, everybody can learn from Chinnese and Russians, AND USA.
Look back at history and see how enemy was made. And dont repeated.....
But its a FACT that USA is in trouble !!!!!
ITS DOESN'T METTER WHERE YOU FROM. ITS WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.........
(im apologize for my english, im sure i did some mistake while i was writing this)
Actually the US has been in a decline since the end of WW II. At the end of WW II, the US had the largest percentage of industrial might in the world. So what has happened? The rest of the world has built up their industrial might while the US has experience a relative decline. This change was unavoidable short of having another World War.
China's current rise is mostly because of their currency policy (basically Mercantilism). The Chinese industries take in US dollars and are forced by the Chinese government to exchange them for the Chinese Yuan. The exchange rate is set by the Chinese government to about 40% below market rate. This causes the huge US dollar surpluses in Chinese trade. If the Chinese government were to allow the market exchange of Dollar/Yuan, the price of Chinese good being sold in the US would jump about 40% and sales of Chinese goods in the US would tumble. Why does China not allow Free Market in their currency? Because it would cause a Depression in China. Anyone who has a basic understanding of economics can see what is happening and why it is happening. Neither China nor the US wants to cause a Depression in China and so the Chinese government makes small changes in the currency exchange rate every year.
I do agree that the US should stop being the world cop. The US currently spends $300 to $500 billion dollars a year defending Saudi Arabia and the other OPEC countries in the Middle East. The major beneficiaries of this spending is China and the other countries that import Middle East oil. I would guess the Singapore benefits greatly from the US defending its oil supply, even if it gets most of its oil from someplace other than the Middle East. Without the US defense of the Persian Gulf, the price of oil would be much higher.
Pardon me but the Chinese currency is the Renminbi not the Yuan.
That's like saying that the US currency is the dollar and not the greenback. Duh!
"That's like saying that the US currency is the dollar and not the greenback. Duh!"
Greenback was a non-debt fiat currency. The greenback doesn't exist anymore. We have the debt-based dollar now. That is the reason for the government debt problem.
Libiya has oil,Syria will be an albatross around our neck.
I disagree uterly with the article
China rising is due to some capitalist invetors in the us siding with China and investing there.
How else do you explain all the billionaire in China ? Money does not grow on trees. China was communist. Money had to come from outside. Some investigation reveal that the chinese currency was pegged to the us currency, basically safeguarding it from pitfall.
So to claim the us ideology caused its downfall, instead of rightfully pointing the finger at Beijing numerous manipulations, not just what they did in africa, and the attempted manipulation of the market using rare earths....
but also establishing strong ties with criminal organisations, and questionable extremist government (Iran...) as well as funding Al-Qaida efforts (if not the 9/11 attack itself)
Beijing has been positioning itself as the world criminal organization overseer.
One isn't too surprised under that light to see them leading in domain such as sex slaves exports and human organs traffic. Both generating enormous profits for Bejing.
So if anything, the west should be less flexible, less open, close its doors to its enemy and perhaps invent a new system beyond capitalism, one that woud allow extreme productivity from its citizen, transforming them into scientist-engineer and doing away with all the unproductive occupations. Something more in line with the ideal of democracy.
Because the only way to safeguard democracy is to ensure everyone does its part. And someone busy making money is clearly not producing anything (example: kings in the medieval era raiding each other to steal their treasures...) (other example: modern mafia boss taximmg prostitutes)
Capitalism, at least the sort acceptable to democratic country, has nothing to do with hoarding money. Instead it ha to do with insuring the free flow of commodity. And it has to do with rewarding peoples that makes breakthrough that benefit everyone. The Edison, Watson, Einstein.... Those are the ones who should get more, because you can be sure the more they get the more they create, because they got that passion of discovery
This is what tommorow america should be about
Not listening to some guy from Singapor telling us to trust China
AmericanDream, get you facts straight. You sound uneducated and very dumb. Fix your own house first before crying wolf. China is not perfect but is trying very hard to change. The US and allies (British) have this cold war mentality against China. Some day you are going to regret it. What goes around does come around. The author has valid points and you (AmericanDreamer-er-er) have very funny facts that lack any substance.
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With the Rupublicans and "blue-dog" Democrats running things in Washington these days,it's not at all surprising that we're going to fall behind. It must be remembered that these people don't work for us,but for the MIC(military-industrial-complex). We Americans,just like the Muslims have our own Elitists like the ones I just mentioned!
You sound like a living and breathing Obama commercial. The republican and blue dog democrats are running Washington? Oh please.. George Soros is running Washington and NO ONE else.
Another Teapot.
Wow, You might as well give yourself a colonoscopy while you've got your head up there!
George Soros??? LMAO @ you. Get psychiatric help while there's still time!
I agree that Soros and gang are running the show, unfortunately many Americans still have their heads in the sand.
are you kidding me, who is running the government, it sure is not the Republicans or blue dog democrates, it is Obama, CLinton, Pelosi, Reid, McCain, Bill Ayers, George Soros, wake up and get your facts straight. You cant just say this group or that group is the cause, you need to name names. They all want America to fail and be third world county because they think they will be chosen to lead in the world council that this very month is being held. Look it up if you dont believe me. George Soros is pulling the strings of the whole world, it is what he does and he has his sights on the USA as his last game piece before he croaks.
Seriously, get help. Your entertainment value is high, but mental health issues ultimately aren't funny.
George Soros is a clueless idiot. He wishes he had the power he though he has. The last US election proves you and him wrong.
You're funny
Perhaps you forgot when the Dems ruled everything ... we were on the same downward spiral. BOTH sides are doing a horrible job and BOTH sides are screwing up our future in the world. We have been going down hill for a wee bit longer than the past 2 years ... so don't just put the blame on one party like a typical kool-aid drinker (and again, that goes for BOTH sides).
And to add ... yes the Repubs are in now ... but don't forget, the Dems were running congress when Bush was in (and for some time with Obama) ... so you can't just blame congress when you like/dislike who is in the White House.
absolutely right, i agree, it is the whole federal government past and present, we have no champions and no one without an agenda, those few that might bring us a chance are not in a position to run, it will be interest in the Senate race come 2012, maybe we can get a few more good men or women.
TheReaganRetards. It all started with TheReaganRetards. The idea that we can be a service economy instead of an industrial one. Supply side economics. Global Bankers poviding credit to people without jobs to buy stuff from Global Merchants – sure, that will last a long time. US debt was under $300 billion when Carter left office and about $3 trillion by the time Reagan left office. Wake up already. Ike knew it and told you so too. BTW: Taxes on TheRich were more than 70% from 1945 thru 1981, and more than 90% during the 1950s – uh, hello, when most of the infrastructure we see in the US today was built. Since 1980? we built shoping malls and bogus suburbs on top of the world's best farmlands. Yeah, you, in the mirror, wake up.
As I read these posts it seems everyone just wants to place blame for America's problems. I don't see much forward thinking or real attempts at solutions. For the country's sake everyone that has the right to vote also has the responsibility to vote in every election from local leadership to the Presidency. One of the axioms in Alcoholics Anonymous is that insanity is doing the same thing over and over with the expectation of a different result (change). I believe Americans are caught in this whirlpool of denial as well. Align yourself with those leaders and solutions to our problems that you believe in and vote, protest, write to your political leaders and push change..... Or stop complaining.
Two comments in and already lost the point of the article. Americans can't do anything but argue politics, which doesn't change a damn thing.
United States meeds a bottom up redo. Our education system, through its local boards, lacks the commitment to excellence. Our two party system is held hostage to ideologies at the sacrifice of the national well being. Even the Constitution needs a revisiion. As long as interest groups can influence the 'representatives', the interest of the nation will take back seat. As soon as an official is elected, the next election becomes his or her single focus. I beleive the framer of the Contitution wrote the it not for the career politiions, but of citizens who will pay back by serving in the Congress for few years. I believe President Obama is pragmatic in his thinking, but how one can over come bickering 538 individuals whose loyalties ly somewhere elese. The media has adoped the policies of encouraging conflicts and uninformed public sees as if it is football match. I am very concerned that China will be overtake us. Their Government, whether we like it or not, makes speedy and intelligent decisions, while we pander to the those who contribute the most. Mr Y has the the right vision but implementing it will need very courageous and pragmatic leaders that we sorely lack, at lease in the near future.
> Even the Constitution needs a revision.
No, it doesn't. It needs to be FOLLOWED. The problem is that it's ignored.
Followed? I hope you don't mean literally. Because then unless you own land, you cannot vote. Unless you are white you are 4/5th of a person. Constitution gets revised all the time. That is what the amendments are for. We do need to follow the spirit of the constitution – such as that individual liberty should be vigorously defended, that the common man should not be crushed under the heel of government or those with temporal power, that individual choice in faith should be defended and respected, etc.
please move to china and then write and tell us how great it is
been there, lived there, have family there, it is great.
Now this is an intelligent post, I agree completely!
Totally agree. Much of China's advantage comes from its long-term planning and strategic consistency. Our polarized two-party system by contrast is plagued with indecisiveness or inaction. Not only do we have difficulties deciding on a course of action, but too often decisions get retracted by the next administration. Our political process tends to be short-sighted, with policies geared towards the upcoming election. This is similar to our financial system that focuses predominantly on the upcoming quarter's earnings. CEOs have been sacrificing long-term competitiveness for shorter-term profits, for example by outsourcing of our technology jobs. Moving R&D overseas may boost profits for the upcoming earnings period, but in the process we transfer our know-how to foreign engineers/scientists. Worst, we lose the ability to develop technologies on our own, giving up our ability to compete with China in the future.
China's advantage comes from their controlled currency policy which is going to be their demise. That is the only advantage they have right now. China has nothing the US needs. If push comes to shove, we can produce anything they produce. The Middle East, however has something we need. That's why we focus on the Middle East and not China. China is a house of cards that will collapse, just like Japan. China's military is not a threat to the US. Our nukes negate any threat from anyone. If their education system is so great, why do the vast, vast majority of their intellects come to the US to attend our univerisities? I'm sick and tired of all you unpatriotic dumbasses on here commenting. Get out of this country if you don't like it. Idiots!!
@karl: Who are you to advise us to get out? We are more patriotic than you can ever be because we are concern that our country, the beloved America is falling behind (because it IS falling behind really). It is not that China is going to invade us militarily (i don't think any country would even think of that) it is just that China is not an enemy, they are our rivals. So there is a difference in kind of threats we are discussing here. Read this article again and try to get to the spirit in which it was written. The auther stated that he is not anti american and I trust this declaration. Lets be honest and real. And make America what it really can be.
There is no "bottom up redo" possible for the U.S., as the previous poster requested. This is what capitalism leads to, by definition. The country's wealth flows to the biggest corporations and financial institutions, none of whom are interested in sprucing up an airport or a bridge unless there's profit in it for them. And, as the middle class gets poorer, and jobs disappear, the money for government projects dries up, not to mention all the benefits that people demand.
Throw in a public education system that produces idiots. Does anyone think that the average elementary school graduate is better in basic reading/writing/math skills than a kid in 1920? FAR from it. But our kids can handle an iPhone and an X-Box, no worries!
Finally, getting elected requires lots of money, so right off the bat, a politician is beholden to special interests.
Tell me I'm wrong, based on what's been happening over the past 20 years. Things here are getting worse and worse every year, and I don't see an answer. I'm not a socialist, I'm certainly not a Communist, but I'm seriously starting to wonder where our free enterprise system is going to lead us. It's the 21st century, and our problems are only getting worse. And don't think that either party has the answers, because they don't. Nobody has the answers.
Hi Tom, actually we need to get back to capitalizm, the wealthy create the jobs and jobs supplies the money for bridges and such, but we need to shrink the government on all levels. I would like but it would never happen, for all political positions be volunteers with no pay. Only the wealthy can even think about being a politican and once they are, it is like they forget that folks got to work to pay them so they come up with sneaky taxes to collect more from fewer people. Volunteers would bring people that truely wanted to serve, but it is just a dream.
Typical mindless adoration of the rich. The fact is that any successful business needs BOTH an owner AND employees. You can not have one without the other.
"I would like but it would never happen, for all political positions be volunteers with no pay. Only the wealthy can even think about being a politican..."
Right, Einstein, and not paying politicians will definitely solve that problem. Lots of working-class people willing to quit their jobs and live on nothing. What a moron.
@are you kidding me
the rich create jobs... in china...which is the whole problem
this article is utterly flawed. we don't need a partnership with china, as long as the cpp oligarchy is in power.
america fuelled china's growth, and specificaly america's richest fuelled china's growth
as a clear way to create a strong nation oposing democracy, and keeping peoples obedient
if that was up to them, china would rule the world
america was at its strongest when the rich were at their weakest.
the best rich we got rose from rags to riches
for this to be possible we must maintain the climate
I would not oppose a tax on assets (as opposed to just income)
for peoples with wealth above a certain threshold (like 100 million $$$ indexed)
this would naturally shrink wealth unless you do what's needed to outpace that taxe (could be a low as 1%)
the ideal american dream would be everyone being his own business/boss
with new breakthrough at MIT this may one day be possible as robotics advance
you create your own product and get rewarded directly
because there would be less peoples doing unecessary jobs (red tape)
the whole nation would have more free time to engage in physical activities
increasing the national health and reducing health care bills
it's likely peoples would get more educated and as engineer numbers soared,
so would the national productivity (just check nations worldwide to see the corelation)
the next big step would be revamping the financial system toward something that make sense,
because currently money doesn't do what it's suppose to do
hint: money wasn't invented to ensure money laudering and sexual slavery operation went smoothly...
it was meant as a way to ease up trade, because money is less bulky than camels....
but humans being humans they twisted that, and found ways to hoard it,
manipulate markets, and in short interfere with free market and the invisible hand
perhaps it's time to move beyond capitalism ???
productivisn ? intelectualism ? engineerism ?
you know, the sort of society where all run smoothly
and the pace of advance is so fast that current pace would seem turtle-pace-like
a society where all the dirt (criminals) and grain of sands (redtape, paperwork, greedy rich) are "removed"
so that society can focus on moving along smoothly
I'm sure everyone is familiar on how europe dragged its feet through the medieval era
because the nobles were self serving and busy on their royal wedding
instead of caring for their peoples
so with what little food they had, peasants could hardly educate themselves
and europe got stuck in dark ages of endless wars
all changed when democracy got established.
it's funny to notice that rome had that same fast growth during the republic era,
but after the imperium was established, it was barely able to crawl its weight arround.
concentration of money is bad. it's against free trade.
the ideal free trade would require everyone starting with the same "amount"
and measure taken to prevent any hoarding or reduction of the flow
the original american dream was everyone with its house and car and happy 2-children family.
the perfect society that maintain itself and keep everyone happy.
it was envisioning a future ever brighter with better cleaner technology.
Not a world run by crime boss and other moguls
And certainly not a world run by the chinese oligarchy
No, but everyone seems to have a great idea what the problems are....TOM. We should focus on how to fix things, instead of nay saying this and that (the easiest thing to do.) You've got two things in this world, sayer's and do'ers, and there is a helluva lot of sayer's. How about we stop complaining and make it happen. But there we go again, someone will surely say I can't, or that's not my job....IT'S TOOO HARRRD
> I don't know all of the answers, but I am working everyday to facilitate those changes, at least in our education system with the Department of Education. How about some help?
Good post
America is stupid. Instead of helping it's own people and cutting down on the debt we meddle in other countries spending billions just to make more enemies and yet our own or starving, losing their homes etc. Hey America stay the hell out of other countries and help your own damn country!
Thisis 100% correct. The dumb people in this country have usurped the arguments by scaring a very ignorant electorate. When you have republicans in power fro all these years – who are not good at governing and are all for stripping resources for the immediate pay off -you get this kind of conditiion. If thr e average voters would finally think instead of bering ranmrodded like sheep by the like s of Rush Limbaugh and his ilk– they would realize that the agenda they represent has nothing to do with advancing our causes here!
Well Rush is 2000 times better than liberal airhead Katie Curic or Keith Oberbite or Diane Sawyer or any of your idiot liberal icons. You're a non-thinking dufus being lied to by Democrats and you have no idea on what's happening – just keep drinking the Obama koolaid. If you ever want to learn what is going on, try listenint to Rush without your built in bias and prejudice. He make a lot of sense but you will never wise up listening to Durbin or Harry Reed or Pelosi or any Democrat – they are liars, total absolute liars along with Obama who lies everytime he opens his mouth. So much for hope and change.
hahahahahahaha Rush Limbaugh is a buffoon and a blowhard and if you can't see that it's no wonder your country is sinking.
Get psychiatric help now.
Please stop hating on people. Calling someone an "idiot" cannot bring progress. And maybe next time you want to be taken seriously, you should use spell check.
Dummies like you are certainly the main reason America is in a such mess .And those dummies politicians like Bush and his ilk, loves you because you are easy to program and fallow there line.Such a nonsense become a normal trend in America,
It is hard to be a real conscious and smart citizen, so easy to be a dummy, a ignorant follower to rash and those paid to keep you as dumb as possible.Hopefully you next generation will be better.Because you are a deception for America.
sorry to inform you, but the President and Senate majority is democratic and are running the white house now for two years.
You seem to love Dictatorships. All of your examples are of countries which suppress freedoms. Sure the US does it but not to that degree. We dont lock up protestors or any one that criticizes the government. They are ran like factories. Any factory can be ran efficiently with the right people in charge. Never count out the US. We always surprise the world. We are the most copied country ever. We are the innovators.
Manning
The Greeks and Romans want to say hi.
Why is it so difficult for Americans to accept China as a world power house in nearly every area?
Historically, China has been a world powerhouse for millennia. It's only the last 80 – 100 years or so that made the USA a world superpower. When World War I started, the USA didn't even really have a standing army to speak of.
Throughout history, the world's power house has changed frequently. From Chinese/Huns/Persians/Romans/Egyptians/Greeks/Inca/Spanish/British/Japanese/German/ etc etc etc, the shift of the balance of power has been dramatically changing for centuries.
Interesting. We should stop playing the "hearts and minds" game in the middle east. We should smack down with an iron fist, take over the place, rip all the oil and wealth out for ourselves, restructure it and leave the worthless remains to it's population. If we are going to play, better play to get the job done and move on. All this sensitivity is just letting the world pass us by and we get stuck with the bill.
Perfect example of the result of the bad US educational system and why the world despises you.
a better idea would be for the usa to live with some degree of frugality and stop raping the planet . a 6000 sq ft home is an abomination..
you can't do that...I think the last country to attempt something like that was Germany in 1930s...and you see what that got them.
Ken, that's a really good illustration of why nobody has ever let you run anything (other than the deep fat fryer at your day job I mean).
In the movie Avatar I rooted for the RDA.
Why don't you draft yourself and go ahead, live by your words or die by your stupidity
2011 is critical to USA:
1, China will have GDP per Capita more than 5000$ of 1.3 BIO. Chinese
more countries will admit that China's way is better then USA's
2, famous chinese economist Wang Jian: in July 2011 QE2 and QE3 problems of FED will cause another financial crisis.
if USA can not beat down china in 2011, it will never.
So you understand why some countries attack china's policy crazily?
Only people in panic and fear will want to attack others crazily.
You know, the race is on in American to make sure that you always have the latest and greatest devices, made by Apple, in CHINA.
not exactly:
China is now number 2 in:
1, patents number
2, articles number in scientific journals
3, articles in SCI\EI
you think china is one labour contries and not creative?
Japan is creative? but china is now stronger than Japan.
but whatever, China is not USA.
falling behind what? where is the race? to accumukate as much useless crap as you can, work your life away, watch reality tv and never have the guts to get out in the world and live for fear that your production or income might be surpassed? who cares? what is this fascination with getting more and more and more. it ruins your life and prevents you from ever living it
As part of the American Dream is to fbe able to feel and roam free like one does in roadmovies like Easy Rider. The Chinese can't afford to do it and envy you Americans. True, it's time to wake up! You should show the world, what sort of chances and possiblities you have.
Yeah, right!, all that roaming around with gas at $5 a gallon and my empty tahoe tank
How about the race to keep the country's infrastructure from falling apart? To make sure that everyone has healthcare and is able to retire without going into poverty?
You, sir, are an idiot.
johnpaul wrote "We dont lock up protestors or any one that criticizes the government"
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You're in a dream world, buddy.
So are you if you think the abuse of freedoms is comparable.
I read recently that China will surpass the US in GDP by 2016. How did this happen? Because Americans are addicted to cheap junk and there is no need to produce more than you spend when you are a reserve currency. This, thankfully, is coming to an end and we will change our ways one way or the other. The current deficit spending must be corrected, as well as outsourcing of jobs.
And people need to stop buying from Walmart, Target and any other vendors selling cheap Chinese imports. You can't talk reinvestment and then say "bye honey, I'm going to Walmart now". Yes, we will have to pay more for other goods that cost more to produce. Things cost more when management pays at least minimum wage to manufacturers, truck drivers, pharmacies, etc.
Yes you're right
Simple answer is you read wrong rofl. China will not pass us gdp in 2016. Not even close. China is catching up? No sh*t, they have four times as many people as we do.
Why should we care if the country with the largest population on earth, becomes the largest economic power? Wouldn't you expect all those billions of people to BE doing something? I don't see where being the largest ever did the US any good. Let them!
I've been in China. The vast majority are still living in squalor. The world will be a less forgiving place with China as the new #1. That is why I care.
This is why you were never in china.
Shanghai and beijing are more clean than new york and washington.
but shanghai and beijing are not in top 20 list of chinese livable cities.
if you are ever in Weihai, Qingdao etc. you will envy them.
and how many chinese live in cities?
650 mio.
another 650 mio. live in country and half of them have GDP per capital more than 10000$.
your vast majority is nothing but your dream.
Uuuhh.. I I have been in China. Once you leave the down town glitzy areas the drop off is immense. The majority life in areas most Americans would consider Ghettos.
The Ghettos are third world.
(thinks that "USA" is a chinese official going to fight the information war)
USA...Whereas you can point to a handful of nice places in China the fact remains that huge swathes are still barely above the middle ages while huge other areas are barely above the industrial revolution.
Have you travelled recently through the states? I sure have. As an American who has travelled internationally extensively, I was shocked at how run down and poor the country looks. So many of us Americans it seems have just given up. We have no pride in our country, our communities, our homes or ourselves. If we did, we would treat them all alot better. Run down neighborhoods, garbage everywhere, 25 yr old lazyboys on porches, but "hey got to have that flat screen and dish on the roof of my $25,000 home." . Nevermind that the home hasn't seen paint in two decades. Sad, but America needs to wake up and take some pride in itself again. Our elected officials behave like spoiled children, nothing is achieved and all the while, the world keeps moving forward while we are left behind. Put down the remote, and wake up America.
It was cool while it lasted. Don't blame us though. Greed killed the American spirit.
america is heathen china is heathen heathenomics makes a retarded civilization,follow christ even if you strike it poor. amen
right on. through diligence and hard work you can gain the material wealth and modern technology that the rest of the advanced world has and make big progress like China has, but it can never lead the world by that standard. human rights, true democracy, freedom of speech and of expressing yourself artistically, creatively and politically are big factors in leading a free world. china has a long way to go, even if it overtakes the u.s. as the largest and most powerful economy. i don't see a country where people still can't celebrate easter or practice their faith freely as a leader of modern civilization. no way jose.
The problem is that freedom, just like anything else, will eventually cause a downfall if it is not controlled. I don't mean that the governments should control our freedoms: We should. What I mean is that we revel in our freedoms and don't particularly care about our actions because there are no direct consequences that we can see. The entire society we have built relies on immediate gratification and immediate consequence. We can't see that our action of being content to rest on our laurels is going to cause problems in 30 years. Here's a quick plan to get us on the right track.
1> Tap our oil reserves before someone else takes us over and taps them.
2> Impose 2 term limits on all politicians.
3> Seriously include another party (Besides the R&D) into the system in order to stop one party from dominating the entire government and allow more choices in the elections than A or B.
4> Secure the border, by any means necessary. If we have to start shooting people to make it happen, so be it. The time for kid gloves and political correctness is and has been over. Continuing it will only cause the problem to worsen.
5> Get out of the Middle East. Altogether. No more foreign aid for countries who hate us.
6> Impose a higher tax on imports to even out the price difference between American and foreign goods. This not only lowers our dependency on foreign goods, but also removes the incentive to outsource jobs.
7> Put a cap on gas prices at a certain percent above manufacturing cost. I would even support a government run fuel station which can keep the prices low by offering competition and stabilizing the price of gasoline.
8> Use the money we're saving from foreign aid to create improvement projects throughout the country. This adds jobs, which increases spending and takes us out of the current depression. It doesn't even matter what the project is. Plant flowers, pick up trash, build playgrounds, whatever. Create the jobs.
9> Any politician who makes a specific campaign promise should have to accompany that promise with a date of completion. If that date passes and the promise is not fulfilled, or at least if there isn't a direct, pointed effort to complete it, the politician is immediately removed from office. Make campaign promises if you want, but if you do, you will have to honor them.
Well put! Unfortunately we spend far too much elsewhere and not enough where it really matters. China may have its issues but it is gaining solid ground and very quickly. Always proud to be an American, but the US needs to wake up and smell the coffee while it is still there. Once it evaporates, it will be much, much harder to catch up or gain any ground.
Too bad Gore was not able to serve as president, even though he was elected president. The US would not be perfect, but it would not be in the mess that "W" produced domestically and internationally.
Correct me if im wrong.. but doesnt china as a whole have about half the GPP of the United States (compare adjusted GDP's and such) But yet have about 3 times the people? So the average american has about 6 times the resources the average american does. Further... as much as we do have a problem with a wealth gap in this nation, its far worse than china. Combine with that a disregard for the environment (yes it IS worse in china) which will bit them in the ass, the inability to provide sufficient landfill space which is becoming an issue... china has some serious problems ahead of it if it wants to meet the United States. Of course on of China's chief strengths has been its cheap labor, but more and more companies are finding cheaper labor elsewhere. China's growth is still huge and its economy may pass the United States in size. *shrugs* Only natural when you have the difference in population China has. If half the population left the nation they would still have more people than the USA.
Ok, let's correct you.
China is equal big as USA.
since alaska of USA is not suitable to human, USA has in fact 8 mio. sqkm and smaller than China.
whatever, In China and USA you can have 3 bio. human living.
China has now 1.3 bio. and will NEVER more than 1.5 bio.
so china's population is no problem.
GDP nominal of China is 1/3 of USA's.
PPP of China is equal as USA's.
China is developing country but important is china is on the right way.
Ok, lets now correct you. "China is equal big as USA" is not a sentence. Did you make it past the 3rd grade? Also, the stats you are throwing out are very incorrect. China is a giant toilet. Yes they may be on the rise but the majority of the country lives in conditions no American would ever live in. There are a few descent areas surrounded by a giant sewer. Your government is controlling and very unforgiving. People are basically slaves in China. In short, China sucks.
If you call an entire nation of near slave laborers living in a quasi-feudal society serving a miniscule minority of wealthy robber barons on the right track then yeah, I guess they are.
And since GDP is counted in $.
and China's currency is according to your politician at least 40% underestimated.
the GDP of China should be actually 130-150% of what you have now.
China is traditionally one modest country.
if they have 100, they will have 30,
if you reallly think they have 30, you are deceived.
China has stoped being a traditionally modest nation. Look at their propoganda wing. *sighs* As for their econonmy it is also artifically inflated via currency control. *shrugs. I think im done with this.
I never mentioned territorial size. I mentioned population size.
China has 1.3 bio.. as you like to call human beings. And the reason it doesnt have more is do to a strict government population control mechanism that was created because the 1 party state realized that if there were any more people then things would get out of control.
Thanks for the straw man argument. Lets see the next page of the textbook denying that the chinese state has limits on human reproductive rights. (Waits for the SO DOES USA distraction argument)
Oh forgot..
"PPP of China is equal as USA's"
United States:
GDP (PPP) 2010 estimate
– Total $14.624 trillion[3] (1st)
– Per capita $47,123[3] (6th)
China
GDP (PPP) 2010 estimate
– Total $10.085 trillion[6]
– Per capita $7,518[6]
The difference in PPP is closer. But close to 40% larger is not "the same"
it is only one estimation.
actually if you read articles and hopefully you do, you will know,
many other economist have such counting:
china: 14.9 tri.
USA: 14.6 tri.
actually China is now in PPP number one of the world.
we say China is in PPP equal to USA's becaue China is modest.
USA= 14 trillions in public debt.
CHINA= owns almost all the american debt + interest.
Dr.Doom, you are absolutely right but what about comparing growth figures in the last 10 years ? What is mind-boggling is the pace at which China has been catching up. Very serious analyses forecast that China will have closed the high-technology gap at the end of this decade in addition to growing with double-digit figures until 2020 (as they have been doing at least since 2000). The implications on the bilateral US/China trade balance issues will be more than meaningful.
if you think china still has one-child-policy, you are one of stupid human beings which USA has many.
and you are victim of your USA's human rights: Speech-Freedom, namely Lie-Freedom.
only one third of chinese now have one-child-policy.
many provinces have now two-children-policy which of course are not allowed reporting in USA.
Someone seems to be very angry.. Personal attacks?
I chose not to respond in kind to keep this discussion civil rather than combative. Please calm down if you continue to have this discussion. Aggression is not warrented.
How on earth can you call anyone stupid when you clearly can't type a sentence correctly? Really, come on. Again, just in case you missed my comment above, China is a giant toilet. Your government is controlling and unforgiving. In short, again, China sucks.
Except they DO have a one child policy. There may be ways around it but it is STILL the policy.
I appreciate the verb "to be" as well as article use for clear and concise communication.
USA – you are a brainwashed idiot. Certainly not from the USA. Shame on you for being manipulated by your communist country. You deserve better. Stand-up to the authorities – they don't have the right to control anybody's life. Oh – so a two child policy is okay? Really? Get real and get a life.
I was so sad when I learned that the Chinese bought one of Jimmy Carter's solar panels and put it in a museum.
And if you call the people in USA human beings,
you should ask yourselves, why you human beings have the right to kill the human beings of other countries.
I do not agree with either the conflict in Afghanistan nor the conflict in Iraq. *shrugs* I dont believe anyone has the right to kill another person except in self defense. I do not believe in the death penalty. However I also believe that a persons race, religion or lack there off, or political beliefs do not make them less a person than anyone else.
Yet China's legal system executes more people per capita every year than any other nation on Earth. You really don't have very good points to make do you?
China 1.3 billion and how do expect to feed them.. Humans, there are too many.. China will pay a starving price for leaning to the extreme of breeding liek rabbits... The earth is not just yours and not just mine.. YOu go tot happy too fast.. Not enough food to maintain your populations demand.. COLONIZATIOn amounted out of the West's choice to over produce
We are rich in resources, have all the high tech but still we are fearing that we would lose the number1 stand?
When kids start paying more attention to their school rather than on video games and when it is cool to be a top scorer in math or science rather than in football... the system will automatically change.
yep yep...true that.
of course everybody is in USA and knows:
- after 22:00 you'd better not go out
- some parts of one city is very dangerous
is it true?
in china you can go anywhere at any time.
Regardless of what you say I believe that both nations do have areas that are not safe. *shrugs* Where I live I feel pretty much confident that I can travel about safely at night.
Awesome, except the pollution is so bad in some areas that you can't breathe if you do go outside. That and the fact that once outside you can't say what you wish for fear of never being heard from again. That Chinese propaganda must be some good chit because it's really worked remarkably well on you hasn't it?
not if you are tibetan or uighyr
and in average number of prisoners
and average consumption of CO2,
USA is number one of the world and will be in next 50 years.
Yea, you dont have as many in prisons because your crazy commie government just shoots people. No need for decency and humanity or even a fair trial. Just shoot them and be done with it. Right???? Sound familiar Mr. USA?
I think China will blow itself up. It is certainly true that historically China has never really recognized the idea that the government should be chosen by the consent of the governed or that the government should exercise power by the rule of law rather than the rule by law. But history also tells us that revolutions/upheavals in China have usually followed a perception on the part of the people that their government has lost the "mandate of heaven". This mandate of heaven is the one popular force that resembles some semblance of governmental accountability in Chinese culture. Consider five points (two of which were pointed out in this website):
1. China is experiencing a real estate bubble, the likes of which make the bubble in the US seem tame. This makes it much harder for the average Chinese to move into better homes.
2. As a result of China's currency policy, prices are inflating at an alarming rate, and its cost control measures have had lukewarm results at best.
3. The Chinese economy NEEDS to grow at about 8-9% in order to avoid massive unemployment and consequentially massive social unrest.
4. As seen on PBS, Chinese workers are starting to demand better work conditions and higher pay.
5. There is a widening gap in wealth between the very rich and the middle class/poor that is agitating many Chinese.
As a person's condition on life improves, their expectations rise with it. Undoubtedly China is going to be forced to move more toward a deficit oriented government in order to cool off their inflation. The downside to this, however, is that it will still leave millions of Chinese without work. Surely the combination of these factors will cause people to realize that their government has lost the mandate of heaven?
The Author is correct on every, every front, however I really think that the horse may have well and truly bolted, the change of mindset to become competitive and open minded again is just so vast that I think it will become a distant fairytale, as the factories and economy collapses burdened with borrowed debt built by years of war and poorly managed infrastructure and education, very sad, fixable, but getting more difficult by the second.
1, the price of housing in china has declined, you do not know it?
2,prices also declined, because it's currency has rised
3,who has said china NEEDs 8%-9% growth? Premier Wen has said recently, China will have average 7% Growth in the new 5-years-Plan
4,chinese workers have of course more wages
5,the gap between rich and poor exist in USA also, if you have ever seen the film "inside job" and "capitalist".
You are victim of your Media's Propaganda?
do you feel it? No? OK.
Media propoganda? The journalist stated that the United States needs help and china is doing well. China however has a state owned media as well as other media outlets that are closely monitored and censored. The internet is also filtered in China as well, remember the google issues a few months ago? I do not believe that media freedom in the United States and In China is truely comparable.
Do you really think nobody is beinmg monitored in America? Really? Think again. If you have a smart phone they do even know when are you shi******.
right on dude.
You and everybody else need to get a grip and live with the fact that Chinese leaders are human just like anybody else.
China is a country that allows its citizens to be terrorised by local authorities , that doesn't allow freedom of expression, freedom of religion. Does not have democratic elections or institutions, does not have an impartial judicial system, does not allow an independent organized labor force. Does support some of the worst dictatorships in the world; North Korea, Burma and Zimbabwe. And manipulates economic relations for their desire of dominance either through currency control or blatant corruption or blackmail. And by the way Singapore is merely a city-state easily controlled by a one party system , not a real democratic country. Why should we "learn" from the Chinese? There economy will soon collapse under a combination of a real estate bubble burst and ecological disasters. Why are there still so many Chinese trying to come to the USA, because despite all our shortcomings we still have major advantages over China; freedom, equality and justice.
typical white american thinking...you have you head in your ass...you are afraid of China so you make up senarios that you cannot prove.
Teepee you are the typical uninformed idiot. Get out of this country now, you are not worthy. People like you drag this country down, not lift it up. You are a drag on society.
It's really ironic that Americans on this board have the right to speak out against the "system" here. They act like things are much better in China. If they were Chinese residents, the government would forcibly silence them for speaking out the way they have on here against the system they live in.
Wake up dumb, while America is killing itself with those wars and throwing money like bones to dogs in order to convert the world to an "idiocracy" american style, all China has to do is to sit down and wait the american dream to fade off. America, its waay of life is really sick. Millions of unemployed people, millions of uninsured, millions of houses in foreclosure, the cost of living going up everyday. Are you blind or just playing dumb? America is good only for idiots like Palin, Trump and that bunch of politicians (read Congress and Senate) who live like parasites just sucking blood from a dying country. All they care is to destroy countries so they can get federal loans to rebuil them later and make lots and tons of money.I guess when is the american people to wake up and give those craps an egypt recipe?
@Dr. Doom
"China has 1.3 bio.. as you like to call human beings. "
this is what you have said, haven't you?
and you pretend to be gentle?
you Idiot!
You USA have many such hypocrites like You.
I was using your own words. I do not care to abstract people as bios. This is a public form not a governmental statistic doissier. Again you bring forth personal attacks at this point rather than discussing the issue. This does not help any discussion.
Kind of a weak example to compare one bridge in New York to trains that are being built with whatever "federal" money would be called in China. Yes China is skyrocketing in the science and tech community, but its growth still is fueled by American greed and Chinese protectionism. Two things that are not likely to change. So I guess I agree with this article, I still wouldn't count Amerca out just yet.
What's wrong with 'protectionism?' Self-interest is not tantamount to xenophobia.
Whereas it is undoubtedly true that China will determine the rest of this century, this mostly concerns economics, not a way of living or the 'software of our daily lives' which the West developed over centuries and which has generated happiness and affluence. The unlimited hatred for Westerners and Christians by many in the islamic world is much more of a direct threat, especially since we have been so stupid to allow this hate to come near to the heart of our civilisation. When muslem children do not listen obediently to a female schoolteacher because women represents the lowest persons in their household, i.e., the mother or sisters, and this teacher is even lower: i.e. a Western woman, you do have a severe and fundamental problem at your hands. 'Darwin is wrong because he was a westerner and the teacher is just a female'. So if revolutions break out in islamic countries nearby, it is wise to at least watch closely what happens. At least the Chinese understand the language of pragmatics, technology and science.
THE ONLY REASON THE U.S. WOULD BE "FALLING BEHIND" IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE THIRDWORLD DUMBASSES WE CONTINUE TO LET INTO OUR COUNTRY. IF YOU COME HERE SPEAK ENGLISH, GET A JOB OR MAKE AN SELL YOUR OWN CRAP, BASICALLY YOU NEED TO CONTRIBUTE.
not all true...our problem is that we are a party nation and that shit is blinding us...one day the party will be over...
Yeak, that and shortsighting, shrinking brain people like u.
Chinese in China have all Rights:
Speech, Religion and Vote.
IF YOU ARE NOT TRAITORS FINANCED BY SOME USA ORGANISATIONS.
if you do not hurt the public orders.
you can do everything in china.
and you as human beings have more rights than US-people.
At least you do not have to have the green paper said: in God we trust.
You USA have people who are not christians.
So why where the Christan House Church members not allowed to pray in the open as per reported by CNN this morning?
Why did the Chinese Government try to choose the next leaders of the Tibetan B. faith? *shrugs*
Well, if you saw it on CNN, it MUST be true. Enough said.
CNN also is asking for Gadaffi's head or why we don't flat Lybia once and for all. That is what I call a free, democratic, humanitarian media.Fit of the Third Reich.
Why is America trying to impose their democratic leaders all around the world? Why muslims cannot practice their religion in America without being seen as terrorists, and being constantly harrased by the media and some political leaders?
idiot
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and you call other people idiots???
"In the meantime, while you can't hold up one bridge across one river, guess what,China is building the world’s fastest trains and the world’s best airports."
This is always an incredibly lame argument. I have been to China...I traveled on highways between cities within several Chinese provinces. The roads were new, and most of the time, I saw a handful of other cars, at most.
Chinese infrastructure is the US 60 years ago. The real test for China is not building buildings, or creating jobs. It's maintaining them. Will the Chinese have the resources and stamina to maintain these roads, and trains, once billions have traveled over and through them after 40, 50, 60 years? This is the question. Yes, China is growing. It is a DEVELOPING country. The US is a developed country. Any country can develop. The real test of stability is if this level of life, after development, can be maintained. Comparisons between the US and China cannot be made in this regard.
China has the diplomatic advantage of being a developed and developing country simultaneously. The key to negotiating with China is to know which of their two hats to bring out to the forefront when negotiating.
How The US wants to deal with an emerging China on a long term basis, the leaders have to rework their sums....................the rise of China was anticipated some 30 years ago in Times magazine and it shld be of no surprise to anyone that it will rise to greater heights..........American leaders shld make the best of this to galvanise the people to work harder ! We can overcome someday ...........perhaps US citizens shld sing more of this song.......
Whowee...I love this article...I think he nailed it on the head...China is moving up while our progress, being in the hands of our spoiled, undisciiplined offspring is SO threatened...better wake up america...
"Frankly, the best governed country in the world – and I can say this somewhat immodestly – is Singapore."
Frankly, your country is a former British protectorate the size of Houston.....which doesn't even have the electrical infrastructure for 9/10 of your residents to own a dryer in their run-down, pre-fab apartments. Yes, in Singapore they hang clothes on the lines, folks. Ubiquitous of third world nations–like those in the Middle East. Not saying much for a country with all that trade, a small population, and inherited colonial structures.
By wearing colonial-tainted glasses and still viewing B&W TV probably cause you to make such untrue remarks like run-down apartments and lack of electrical infrastruture, the reverse is true if you care to be there to see with your real pair of eyes ! The last financial crisis unearthed an abundance of `crooks` as I was told by an American whom I met at a hotel in Zuhai Apr 2008 ............and the reality is not many of them were punished and life goes on...........I believe The United States will be alright in the long term but they have to get their Basics Right !........U like warm light in yr cold weather, I like cool light in our warm weather........some different taste btw Westerners & Easterners !........so u don`t set yr preference n taste on others to follow ! .................
what?
You have no IQ, haven't you.
We have repeated 100 times, "if you do not hurt the public orders."
1, house church is prohibited in China, christian church is allowed.
90% of chinese christian are allowed, but house church is illegel.
2,and Dalai Lama as one title which was given by Qing-Emporer of China is never chosen by tibetans.
the present Dalai Lama was also appointed by central chinese government of ROC.
You are calling yourself what Dr.?
shameless, these human beings!
Actually Dr. Doom is a refrence to a fictional character in a line of comic books. I do not have a PhD.
1. If the only religions allowed are the religions the state says are ok, then that is not religious freedom.
2. Millons of Tibetan monks and worshipers would disagree if they were given the chance to speak freely and not labled at traitors or insurrectionists.
Everybody can see you don't have a PhD and certainly you speak like a cartoon character
one day America will call China Sir...
I do not think that there is anything wrong with calling other people you are not on a familiar basis with Sir. That is how I was raised. But I know thats not your point. Sorry, that was a cilly asside.
basically even you are prohibited, you can do everything in china if you do not hurt the public orders.
-internet sites banned? if you want to, there are 10000000 tools with which you can access those sites.
-house church banned? if you pray in your home, even in your community, it is ok.
but if you go to public to bother others,
you will be arrested.
China's law is not such severe.
"If they hur public orders" is the only thing the chinese government think about if they will arrest you.
So you argue that China's internet is not censored by stating that you can access prohibited sites by downloading/using tools to circumvent the blocks....Thank you for admiting the the internet at least is censored, otherwise there would not be blocks you had to work to circumvent.
So you can not pray in public..That sir or madam (respectfully) is religious restriction.
Yes, and "hurting the public orders" as you put it so eloquently consists of any criticism of the government, That's real freedom all right. What's it like living with only half a brain anyways? It working out ok for you?
1, we have again repeated 100 times!
90% of chinese christians are ALLOWED to pray which CNN has never mentioned.
IN USA all spiritual actions are allowed? NO! then why USA has religion freedom?
2,the majority tibetans which were slaves of previous tibet society will not agree with you.
but fact is fact.
the titel Dalai was given by Qing-Emporer and appointed by chinese central government.
Even if what you say is completely applicable. The Qing Dynasty is no more. Emperors do not rule china.
Come in, Kishore, we all know China is of critical importance for the US (and Canada and others), but everything does not revolve around China. What is happening in the Middle East is of historic importance. In Libya and elsewhere there was and is a strong demand on the part of youth for the US and others to do something to help in the face of appalling violence against civilians. Authoritarian governments are being challenged. People want rights respected and democracy. One can now listen in on Twitter and other social media. Not to have responded positively would have resulted in a major black mark against the US and Europe (and Canada). Your friend, Gordon
propaganda and nothing else!!
the same demand came from bahrain and yemen even from egypt ,but biden busy telling everyone that egyt is not under a dictator....
north korea has been bombing south korea and what did america do??
america is busy indebting itself with wars that are just going to increase anti american terrorism while the chinese are busy developing their business and you wonder why they are successful .
现在的美国人还会职责中国的人权问题以掩饰自己国家的傲慢无礼。但十年之后，二十年之后，当你们被中国超越而可望不可即的时候，你们的嘴就永远被封上了。
China will overtake us with the money we give them. We cannot survive being a nation of users, we must also manufacture something.
You speak the truth!
but you can't compete with china in term of cost !!can you?
this is why your own corporations are moving to china ....
so if china applies the same human rights,corporate america will sink!!
Where were people like you back in the 90's when the MBA's were selling us down the river, shipping all our manufacturing to China while assuring us it was "best for investors?" You were probably oggling your mutual fund balances, all the time believing the tripe being printed in Money, Fortune, etc. that these boobs from Harvard, et al actually knew what they were doing. It's too late...manufacturing is gone for good. It would take two or three generations to redevelop the expertise (assuming we were interested in doing so – which we are not.) Even stamping out rubber trash cans requires highly skilled die-making that we no longer have. We gave all of that to the Chinese – lock, stock and barrel.
of course chinese internet is censored, who has denied that?
but all USA's internet sites are allowed?
in Germany and USA we think the sites which denied holocaust are also banned.
many porno sites are also banned.
every country has rights to regulate it's internet.
China censored more.
China has 500 mio. internet users.
it is natrual that they censored more.
I just tested what you said and found many sites denying the holocaust. I don't know where you got your information about that, but it's not correct.
Definately confused on censorship. You may have confused Canada's holocaust policies with USA. Here it is legal to deny anything and many people do (Of course they usually wrong or downright stupid, but they have a legal right to say that the holocaust never occurred or if they admit it occurred they can claim the victims deserved what they got. In Canada I believe it is illegal to deny the holocaust. Here, we can say or do anything stupid except for two areas, child pornography and internet scams that cheat people out of their life savings, both of which are crimes that cause serious damage to innocent victims. We have the right to be wrong, we have the right to be stupid, we have the right to be arrogant, irritating, crazy, whining, and also creative. But sometimes something good comes out of those who others believe fall into the above categories
The Dalai titel was appointed by central chinese government of:
Qing Dynasty,
ROC(taiwan)
PRC(in the future)
this titel was NEVER chosen by tibetans and tibetan leaders themselves.
So what? It's not the title it's the message that's important.
Solid article. We should all stop bickering and strive to learn from what works best elsewhere, and apply it in our own society, just as much as we encourage other countries to learn from what works best here.
"if you do not hurt public orders"
remember this when next time you read articles attacking china.
go to china, and wright about how bad their gov. is......and then maybe u can write us from prison, maybe
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The main problem with the USA is that the politicians are more involved in getting themselves re-elected than they are in dealing with the issues. 4 years is simply not enough to accomplish major goals so they go for short term thinking, like demonizing your opponents rather than trying to get re-elected based on their accomplishments..
The article said it all!
WAKE UP AMERICA
In observing our political ideology it is clear that the " my way or the highway" politics of the GOP( bullies)is destroying this country. The right wing GOPer's love their country they just don't like most of the people who live here. ( ie. latinos, blacks, all minorities,women, and anyone with an IQ higher than Sarah Palin' clown squad. GOP to them is Greed over people, except of course themselvbes. Ever notice that most of the right wing CLOWNS have a much higher opinion of themselves than anyone else does?
China can progress faster because it's essentially a dictatorship. They can get things done a lot faster. That will work for a while, but they will hit a point when they need their people to progress more and they will plateau. Incidentally, that is exactly where the USA and Western Europe is right now, a plateau. It gets harder to move up, the higher you get, and the more weight you are carrying. If this weren't true, the Romans would still be on top, or the Greeks, or the Huns, or the Mesopotamians, or the Chinese (from 5000 years ago). Cultures move up and down–that's the way it goes. Whoever makes the best of it comes out on top.
To add to my earlier comment, the idiots who spend all of their time fighting amongst themselves are the ones that get invaded and disappear from history.
They fight cause they want to maintin power and gain out of the nation they are fighting with, the US has very poor foreign policies, I shall not be surprised to see them enter another war with a middle eastern nation, what the US doesn't know is that the muslim migrants to western nations are all potential suicide bombers, so that MEANS that americans are inviting more and more homegrown terrorism problems, it looks like they shall never learn. Well China has already overtaken them, now its only a matter of time before they become more dangerous.
Who the hell ever heard of China really? I thought chinese was just a style of food, who gives a shit if it is an actual country? The USA has been number one since the beggining of time basically, do you really think some style of food is going to topple us?
china is the country that when america is busy making useless wars indebting itself ,grows its economy ..... westerners haven 't yet realise that military power is no more the solution , after the war to save irak and pakistan and now libya ,how many of them can travel there ? they spend their nurturing terrorism and debt!!
You sir, need to go learn some history! America has been a world power only in the last century, and has only been a nation for just over two centuries. You are one of the reasons that I question myself as to why I joined the military to defend ignorant people like you. You sir, are what is bringing our country down!
When we ( USA ) cut our military spending in areas that we don't absolutely need to be involved. Spend the savings on encouraging domestic production and strenthening our infrastructure. Buy products made in our own country. Educate a generation of Americans who are hungry to be the best educated and most productive in the world. Maybe then we won't have to worry about whether other countries are going to overtake us as we sink into oblivion. Right now I try to purchase Made in the USA first, followed by Canadian and Mexican products. If I can't find these then I look for struggling third world countries to patronize. Not because I hate China or Japan, but simply because I want my children and neighbors to have a strong and stable future.
I do not agree with Fareed, usually. But we are falling behind. His crap about coded racism is a weak pandering argument but non the less. We are falling behind becuae there is not motivation. Everyone wants to be a reality TV star or a rapper. Or we bail out car companies that prove they can fail but because the unions have the administration in their pocket we did not creat a void that innovative Americans would have filled. Shame on us.
Only Two of the Three: China, India and the United States can SURVIVE the next Two Centuries. If one of the Three does not cease to exist then all three will see the Planet die. The NUCLEAR WAR between the U.S. and china is only a matter of time.
The fact is our politicians and electorate are all cut from the same bolt of cloth. I'll make an exception for the ground troops and their families that endure endless deployments based on idiotic stratgies. Our citizenry is short sighted and arrogant. Based on the bounty of North American natural resources and the position we found ourselves in after World War II, we have had our moment in the sun. We are being out worked, and out thought. Look at the trend line. It is headed down and to the right. Hopefully we will wake up, but I doubt it.
America is a dead country, at best a shell of its former self. It is time to let go of the fallacies that the US is a wonderful country and recognize that China, India, and other countries are vastly superior to America. If you still believe that America is a respected, powerful, viable country, well, I have an oil field on Mars to sell you.
The only way to save what is left of America is to destroy the Constitution and allow the government full, complete, control of everything, including all businesses and personal lives. Americans are coming around that this is the solution and are willing to go with it. Once the government has control, maybe, just maybe America has a shot at survival.
I don't see why this is a competition. China has over 1 billion people, USA has 300 million. Of course they are going to have a larger economy at some point once everyone gets to the same standard of living.
Let's just focus on taking care of our people, taking care of our economy, and decreasing our national debt so that the government can function. The size of our GDP compared to China is really irrelevant.
You want you got it. I cant wait until all the immigrants start heading to asia
Have you travelled recently through the states? I sure have. As an American who has travelled internationally extensively, I was shocked at how run down and poor the country looks. So many of us Americans it seems have just given up. We have no pride in our country, our communities, our homes or ourselves. If we did, we would treat them all alot better. Run down neighborhoods, garbage everywhere, 25 yr old lazyboys on porches, but "hey got to have that flat screen and dish on the roof of my $25,000 home." . Nevermind that the home hasn't seen paint in two decades. Sad, but America needs to wake up and take some pride in itself again. Our elected officials behave like spoiled children, nothing is achieved and all the while, the world keeps moving forward while we are left behind. Put down the remote, and wake up America.
america sucks
There are too many American who don't work hard.
Simple maths: How many billions go to Faux News to divide America with their catch-phrases "..the liberals" "..the left"...are these folks aliens? A network that supposedly takes sides by casting other News network are bent towards the "the liberals.." RIIIIIGHT!! In reality it is the middle easter guy and Australian who own the shares of Faux News that are reaping profits by selling so many morons that they are on their side...while using every deceitful lying tactic...How many billions does China spend on Campaign?
Don't disagree that we are sick and perhaps dying. I question the superiority of India and China although there are some things we can learn from them. The Democrats and their liberal pals want every fool to have everything, without necessarily working for anything. The Republicans and their pals want the the special interests to get the inside track and the big income folks to get a break on their taxes. If the guy who goes to work every day for 40 straight years and pays his own way, his own taxes, and puts his kids through college ever wakes up to this scam, we'll have a 3rd party.
Perhaps the secret ingredients in any successful government is power concentrated in a small group of people.
Yes, this does seem a bit autocratic but really what I am aiming for is a meritocracy. Why? The source of American corruption, inefficiency, the "big government" theory, etc. can actually be found in the late 1800's as political "machines" came to power. These machines are the direct result of an increasing participation in politics by the lower class whose movement was hijacked by mobsters (like Boss Tweed of NYC). Long story short, they started the practice of diverting taxpayer money into useless programs without question that the American people are so fond today.
So to solve this problem, we resort to a meritocracy. Institute educational requirements in order to vote, political candidates submit educational background qualifications, require political candidates to hold PROFESSIONAL degrees BESIDES political science and AT LEAST a Masters degree, etc. Only then can we guarantee that the people in charge of running this country have the intelligence needed to guide it.
Furthermore, we need to take advantage of the fact that we have illegal immigrants. Fine, let them come over. But round them up and stick them into a special economic zone. They work in factories (which are held to the same standards stipulated by Dept of Labor) but are paid 70% of minimum wage. Then after 4 years, they are able to apply for citizenship.
Finally, education NEEDS to be overhauled. In times of budget crises, schools absolutely need to be at the end of the list for the cost-cutting axe. Teachers must be determined based on how well students perform on standardized tests and schools ranked by higher level tests like AP, IB and SAT II's. They will be competing on a national level, unlike current standardized tests which are only statewide.
Is it just me or George Sorros getting too much credit...I agree with most of everyone....the time it took me to write this, China just made another 20million off of the United States Empire.......hmmso, who is runnig this country ? Again ?
men rise and they fall. asia will have its day or its run. then get fat lazy stupid allow immigrints turn agianst each other some how all like we have. and then fall. Then its some other regions turn. Its been going on for 20 000 years mr reporter......and mr media........we aint falling for it. 20,000 years from now youll be writting . Mars is beating earth.
Economics 101- Consumers are >2/3 of the U.S. economy and the business/financial sector are <1/3 of the U.S. economy. There are too many in our government that are businessmen and run the country strictly like a business. They have forgotten that business and consumers are interdependant. That is until the economy went bad because of the greed of the business/financial sector. Then they were begging for consumers. Yes, the same consumers that struggled to keep the economy going because their purchasing power was low. Consumers should be getting the bulk of financial help, to even out the lopsided economy. Until this is done, there will never be financial security in the USA economy, with legalized gambling leading the way. The business/ financial sector is doing fine, they are paying their CEO's Top Dollar AGAIN. Meanwhile, consumers are still losing their homes and JOBS. A higher consumer purchasing power means more business and profits and therefore more JOBS. ECONOMICS 101
To Economics 101.....That is why our reps in D.C. have made up there minds and are telling us to F**K Off people, they will only save the wall street and not the consumers. So let us stop bitching about this and let our voices be heard in the next election. Let's create another party like the democrats did. The Ass's gave us the Tea-Pot heads. Now these guys have a clear view of there anuses.......just a thought....
We waste all our energy on being politically correct and coddling the special rights groups that we have lost sight of the need to be strong and move forward. China will own us soon.
great! why don't u move to China and live there? my brother visited China last year and said that he couldn't find any homeless over there during his 3 weeks staying...only to find out later that the Chinese government would pick them off the street the drive them out the city and drop them off some boonie areas...
Having the best airport in the world is not a measure of a nation's worth. The problem with the conservative author is that human beings don't matter to him, only fast trains. In China, vast amounts of people live in abject misery with no way of ever getting out. Perhaps what is pragmatic about the Chinese is that the elites who run the government don't give a shit. Human life is cheap there. We have plenty of elites like that here in the US too, but we also have a liberal, humanistic tradition that counters that barbaric streak in us. It's easy to run a unified economic plan in a totalitarian state where individuals don't have any rights. And if you think progress is moving from being a poor farmer to working 17 hour days, 365 days a year for pennies an hour sewing zippers, then you are a ruthless, unenlightened human being. The US may not be the most powerful nation in the world in the near future, but we'll still be the inventors and thinkers, the artists and originators, the free people, not slaves, struggling to remain free in a world that thinks China and liberal economics are a model for human life. Really, the Chinese Communists and the American Right are so extreme on the ideological circle that they're the same: ignorant bastards who WILL destroy the world by elevating greed as the highest human ideal.
So, we don't have "vast amounts of people live in abject misery with no way of ever getting out"? Where is this Utopia that you live. I would like to take part.
i compared pictures with hartfield and bejing airports they look the same and does this guy not know obama is investing in a traain thaat is supposed to be the fastest in the world
WAITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT EVERYONE LISTEN HERE. ISNT CHINA USING SOME OF OUR MILITARY TECHNOLOGY. HAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAH WOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAH
Too bad America is falling behind before she implements her fairness and transparency into the rest of the world. Traditionally non-West does not value human life as the West does. We don't know what China is doing regarding the food inspection standard. This is a bad news for everyone including the present pleasure-soaked America. Westerners need Christian values... again.
What values? Anti-gay, anti-my ideology/beliefs? Bigotry? Fear mongering? Keep your so called Christian values. No thanks. I want no part of it.
Nazism is the solution. We must exterminate all the low lifes on welfare. Especially the poor and the very old.
Hitler was right, we need to a lot more trimming, and a lot less voting. That's the f solution.
Someone needs to develop a virus or something. If we used that to trim the population, especially the union leadership and people on wall street. I guarantee you we wouldcbe well on our way to rpospertiy.
Just imagine what we could accomplish by shipping some poor here and there?
Lower unemployment, lower inflation. More entitlement and lower taxes for the rest of us.
Why would anyone be against this utilitarian solution?
Meh.maybe hitler was right around the edges here and there but hey, he got a lot right.
China isn't going to win over America. America will be strong for a very long time. Just not nearly as strong as it once was. Imstead of the unitd states partnering withc south America it will now also face competition from there.
Everybody is paying attention to china, but what they don't realize is that the entire emerging world is growing economically. India. China. South America Africa.
By every measure. Asia has already passed the west in wealth . I beleive this decade to be the apex of western civilization.
I dont like it. South americans must support the Yankee empire against the rise of the Asians in the east, even if we don't like you that much.
China is going to have one hell of a time fueling its superiority without oil. We are securing our stake in the world's largest oil reserves while China sits on the sidelines. There is only enough oil to last about 15-25 more years at the expected demand curves, and China is planning on never running out of oil. Good luck powering a nation with 1.5 billion with no easy hydro carbon energy to burn.
You are so dumb. We have plenty of oil. It's just that demand is growing faster than supply.
Besides, eternally high oil prices area gimmick by. The car industry. If we wwre tp use wooden chariots that are gas or elextrixity powered on our transition to better technology lwr could slays our gas consumption beyond measure.
With sma
L efficiency gains we could kick the habit.
The problem is not the resource,cots the demand from the emerging world that is growing at light speed.
That's the problem. Pver ti,e the high price forces changes in behavior. But in the shorter term. In these two decades. We gonna have some problems.
If you Americans hadn't allowed non land owners to vote, such as people that pay no taxes nowadays, we wouldn't be having any of these problems. The landed gentry hwd it right. If you had just kept a policy of a vote for taxes, we wouldn't be having these eproblems.
You just gsve into to the pussy socialists so you got f.
Well, don't cry like a women what you couldn't defend like a man.
You allowed those fa–ots to take over your country.
Man, we need to change a lot of things homie if we want to prosper, a good start would be to put all the socialists in prison and give them the death penalty by public beating execution....
But i guess you are too much of a pussy even for that. Yawn. I guess you are going down the drain.
Oh yea, and wth amerivpca. Stop supporting israel. Those cost you so much more than they are worth. You qre better suited allying with Iran and ensuring it establishes order in the while Saudi Arabia does in the south, than being israels friend. I bet theycwould be delighted to negotiate with you. You would just deny the,cnuclrar weaponry. You would offer teem your support , political backbone, in exchange for any nuclear program
Then you can both invade israel and stop this nonsense. You'll bring order to the middle east the Iranian way.
Too bad its politically ompossib
E due to your democratic positionvbut you could do something like thisnjust on a lesser level.
You should8!,invade the entire middle east and then
Police iy, keeping oil down...and paying foe the invasion and the policing with their oil.
I bet you could evencmake it profitable.
This death spiral has been going on for a while, and there are myriad causes. I for one would like to see a five year plan come out of our government, but everybody is just worried about the next election.
How about this: Task the big think tanks like RAND, have the GAO do the numbers, and let them put together a plan based on our real world (not hysterical hot button issues) long term national priorities. Give the plan to Congress for a straight up or down vote; no pork or amendments allowed. Keep the politicians out of the process, and maybe the pragmatists can produce a realistic solution to our problems.
If pro is the opposite of con, the opposite of progress is.... Congress!
Falling behind and falling apart, falling falling gone. Our government is doing this on purpose, they never miss a chance to give money to other country's. They have imposed no tariffs on China to even out trade thus our job market is falling. They send the brightest to fight senseless wars and will not fund the rest. The stupid in this country get free housing, food and money while they sell drugs. Soon there will be nothing left but the powerful and wealthy and millions of disenfranchised poor, slaves. If this does not stop this country will be another Mogadishu except for the gated communities surrounded by guards.
Wow Mr. Zakaria!
And I thought that I was the maverick with inflammatory rhetoric (or have you been perusing my old rants?).
RE:"American public intellectuals have an incestuous, self-referential discourse among themselves saying, “Aren't we the greatest in the world? Gee, aren't we wonderful?” And they don’t realize that Western power – American power – is receding steadily in the world."
That could have, it did come out of my pen about four years ago, but hey, who listens to me ? Well done on getting it in print. The reason that the underground think-tanks promote the notion of an American Superpower is that they have no other choice! Superpowers by their very nature, refuse to relinquish 'The Empire(s) that they have built on the backs of slaves and dead adversaries– why do you imagine that America would be any different?
America's Trump Card of course is it's military muscle and willingness to exert this through intimidation and reckless arms sales. Go figure.
In truth, so long as the calculus favors the US bargaining position, there's no incentive to change attitudes. Once the calculus changes, then the game changes with it, but rarely if ever before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlkLhVo3PbY. This commercial says it all...
The country that fails to educate, fails.
Yes, the world is watching the slowly death of America. It would just be painful for those "good Americans" but that's the way it is, their time has come as the majority of those who govern them (whom the Americans have voted as their representative leaders)are fool-war mongers and arrogant, refuses to accept wisdom. All those opprtunity left for them will just go with the wind...LETS see, how they will go deeper in FULL DESPAIR-DESTRUCTION with mid-east internal affairs especially Libya. It could be a bitter-so-painful loss!!! Ouchh!!!
The Chinese need a big government because the people have been treated like children for thousands of years. Their government has to lead, drive, banbuzoo, kick, and whip their people to move forward. It is not a good situation and the government knows it. We want their people to have democracy, so that they can go off to get candy, get opium, get gaga, and soon they will be our creditor no longer. Their government knows that too.
The bigger the government, the more child-like the people. In times of difficulty, a lot of people ask the government to take over, bail out this, save that, QE, QE2, QE3. That will lead to the suicide of a nation. I hope we don't go down that path and become child-like ourselves.
I am 29 years old and I admire Kishore Wisdom. He is right in everything about the " last breath of America." I think, the Americans won't grab any of the opportunity left for them, because their governments hate wisdom.
Im pretty sure, Most Americans are not full of themselves. we better, then anyone. know how badly our country is doing. i could probably get into this a lot more, but I'm just going to say. i don't like this guy or his report. America obviously needs Drastic changes.
Does CNN even spell check it's articles? This one for example. Chinacan andChinadoes.Chinaspends. I just wanted to point it out.
That's your contribution to this debate? Good job!
I don't understand the hubbub, in a globalized economy capitalists get rich regardless of nations. European companies are active and getting rich in China since 1990, selling mobile phones, luxury products, and lately, food. What is shocking is that Americans at least on this forum did not grab that concept yet. So: you work for US company X, you live 10 years in Shanghai, get rich and buy a mansion in the south of France, that's how the smart ones are doing it these days. The mid west or Rumbaugh play a surprisingly tiny role in this constellation.
Theres truths and assumptions made in the article above. I would say the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle.
The reality is that BOTH countries desperately need each other in order to succeed. While it is true that China's devalued currency is giving it a serious upper hand over the US, the US also recognizes that if China didn't do that, the price of Chinese goods would shoot up by at least 50% if the currency floated. This translates to average Americans having to spend another 50% more on buying goods than it had to before. This will seriously hamper America's attempt in getting its economy back on its feet, as millions of Americans would not be able to afford to pay for many basic necessities.
Having said that, China would also be equal losers in this. If the Chinese decide to retaliate and sell every penny of their US treasury holdings, they would cause havoc on the US economy, but they would also hurt themselves severely in the process as dumping all that debt would move the entire treasury markets and will likely result in them devaluing their own holdings while they try to find sellers of the treasury bills.
China wouldn't want to see the US/Sino relationship turn sour. Economic disagreements between the two are expected. But if the two decide to declare some form of economic war, China will likely face many social problems and uprisings in different parts of the country. The Chinese government is extremely afraid of any social rebellion caused by economic problems in the country, as this would de-legitimize the government.
US/Sino problems would cause many problems for BOTH countries. The solution would be to strike a balance and to find a mutual compromise between the two.
Keith you are right, but I think No country on earth right now, can stop China in their continued economic prowess!!! It is a situation that US is and will eventually can't overcome even in many decades...CONSIDERING US have got a lot of indebtedness around the world especially to CHINA and the fact is, useless-extravagance of US"Human and Economic" resources such as the futile and meaningless wars!!! These are just generally draining USA not just economically, socially but as well as spiritually and morally. So to speak, questioning the human rights violations of the Chinese, is a shame because USA is doing something worst than the Chinese, right now.
I am an Asian, but now I become a USA citizen.I know or hope the leaders know what to do. We all will be always there. America is not doing only for it own, but doing for every one on the earth.
I feel bad for you mang khai. You will learn soon enough that the US doesn't care about you because you are Asian and Asians are peaceful and quiet people. They care about blacks and gays because they make a scene. So every time they say jump the government asks how high. Meanwhile everyone else gets stepped on. Welcome to America.
Thats completely ignorant and cruel to say. Not all americans native to this country dispise immigrants. You need to understand there are many different minds in America which goes to show free we are. If you call yourself American you should fully explore it. If you generalize the warmth from a city to a America then you are being naive. This is not like any other country in the world. Not everyone thinks the same. I give absolute credit for those that make the step to America. It is hard, just like my grandparents decades ago.
It would take 42 years for each person in China to walk past you if each one took only one second to do so.
It would take only 9 years for the entire US population to walk past you one person per second. They outnumber us four to one.
Just shows how poor they are. China has 1/3 the wealth as us and 3 times the population. On average each chinese person walking by an America would be absolutely envious because they make 9 times less.
Let us stop being a bunch of Imbeciles; when 300 million Chinese can accomplish what 300 million Americans accomplished then we can talk about "arrogance & ignorance".
Stop with the stupidity – a country ruled by a dictatorship with four times the population....just barely and mouse-like squeekingly achieve less than a quarter of the USA's GDP...are we even rationally thinking before typing?
No
Jigoism is alive and well.
People talk of "freedom" in the U.S. and how it makes us better than everyone else. (1) You are clutching at straws and (2) we are not free. Just five years ago, Americans would respond to criticism of their country with, "It's the best place in the world to live; if you don't like it leave." Now, even the most ignorant are feeling less sanguine with this vacuous argument (vacuous because the ones saying it have never lived anywhere else and know virtually nothing of other societies.) So, now the average American is responding with a shrill, "But we are 'free' and you are not!" Really?!? This is the grand argument from the World's superpower?
As I said, we are not free. I am a slave to taxes and the 95% (literally) of the money goes to either the military or entitlement programs. I get virtually nothing in return. That's right: bupkus. I have been paying into Social Security for 30 years and what will I get out of it? Correct: bupkus. Others are drawing down on social security who have never paid a dime in. I don't even get decent schools, roads, or libraries for my taxes. The schools are non-functional, the roads crumbling and the libraries full of stinking bums. The best country in the world?! Please! Play your fiddles while the empire crumbles.
Yes – that's right: people actually receive benefits in return for their taxes in other countries, Singapore being an excellent example.
We are not free. We are slaves to consumerism. We live in houses that are too big for us and drive giant vehicles for which we cannot afford gas. We have little choice, however, because the country lacks anything resembling public transportation. Someone on this thread actually attacked Germany. Really?! Have you traveled or done business there? The people are polished compared to those you run into here in the 'States. In Germany, one can walk two or three blocks and catch a high-speed train to work. It's convenient, cheap, and...and you get some exercise every single day (yes, the people are much thinner there as well.) Ditto for Korea, China, Japan, France...should I go on?
We are slaves to our mortgages. In other countries, there is no shame in renting. In the U.S., on the other hand, it is tantamount to wearing a scarlet letter. "Oh...you don't OWN your home...well...oh, dear." The shame of it all. And what has that done for us? We are all in debt. We pour virtually all of our liquid assets into our houses and slave away on weekends in an attempt to ensure our yard looks better than anyone else's in our Sunday school class. It's downright goofy if you think about it. Whereas, in other countries, people have significant disposable incomes to spend on luxury goods, vacations, going to the theater or symphony...a myriad of things...and they do it without going into debt. All largely because there is no shame in renting...or, living in a modest house.
We are slaves to the media demagogues on our television sets. Turn off the TV America...you CAN actually think for yourselves. You just have to stop letting 'the box' do it for you. 'The box' keeps telling you America is great – there is nothing to worry about. They have an agenda – and, they are not particularly well-informed. Read journals, periodicals, books and - most importantly - keep up with what is going on in the rest of the world. Then, maybe, you will be able to face the cold, hard truth: the empire is dead and Jesus is NOT going to swoop down and save it.
Since when did our government care about its people, or what we think.
Seeing the figures and reality yes both countries are having big clout in world today.But I would say one liner for both of them as person
For USA its great to see him play rescuer to ARAB people or in Afghan but with its experiance I hope USA has learnt that its needs to greater engage local population and nations to play major role in bringing the change.USA shouldnt be at forefront everytime and at every place where there is crises.Just be at backend or play passive like support from outside for democracy.Remember for what Soviet & USA preached during thier cold war games was not very democractic and people accross the world still have memories/experiances alive thus live by examples and try to be more democratic ,patient & cautious in your approach when you want change in middle east or eslewere .We all encourage govt who come for supporting people's right but let the people be torch bearers for themselves.
As for China its meteoric rise has taken every one by surprise but just like to make a point for them that they should not be too consumed by thier greed that they put nature on backfoot.Have balance in your greed and others needs
Disagree wholeheartedly with the statement that public Western intellectuals believe that America is the best. On college campuses professors often can be critical of America. Columnists in the New York Times (such as Krugman and Friedman) often hail China and India. The problem is our public is too stupid to listen to intellectuals and assails them as "liberal academia." The fact that we don't respect intelligence is a big part of the reason we're in trouble.
well America is felling behind because American people are to busy to play the blaming game
you can see this kind of attitude everywhere at work,politics,school,college etc etc
so next time someone close to you screw things up be aware you may get the blame for it
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Are you serious? China is no where near the absolute power of the United States. They don't even know how to use half the 10 year old technology they have stolen from the west. Complete bogus. I do agree that effort should be pulled away from the middle east but it is also a practice ground to use new weapons and apply different tactics. Think about it.
Why does CNN even publish this non-sequitur article?
Are you really that desperate for clicks?
Can "Asians think?" Apparently not. Exactly how can China overtake the USA "in absolute power – militarily, economically, in every sense" when China does not have a 147 million item Library of Congress, does not do R&D in military technology, does not have a counterpart of Wall Street, or have DARPA or NISAC, just to name few examples?
And Singapore is not a nation. It's an economic province of the USA, Europe and China, without which the city/state cannot exist. So what best governed nation is this author talking about? Academics trapped in a bubble can write lots of dreamy stuff. Makes it even more believable that they've been pencil pushing for decades.
Wow. Your post couldn't have been more full of holes if you tried.
The Hong Kong Stock Exchange is HUGE! It puts Wall Street to shame, making it look like a bunch of Jr. High kids playing around.
The Chinese Military is the largest and most impressive in the world. They outnumber the U.S. Military almost 3:1. Have more intensive training and some of the best equipment in the world.
You really need to get out of Your bubble and learn a little. It's called research and reading.
Arrogance and Ignorance = America
Take a look at the products you purchase every day. Take a look at your entertainment products. And your luxury products. Find out where they're made. Do this every day.
I've begun actually slapping people who tell me to "wake up." I'm not asleep. Quit saying that.
It's amazing how many Americans are blinded by pride. Many parts of the US will probably qualify as third world within ten years.
I agree with the writer. Most of the people in the blog are so arrogant they don't realize he's right. Our roads and infrastructure are on the decline, schools are falling behind, and our economy is in shambles. I live in Maryland, but was just out in Los Angeles, and the roads are terrible. It's like off road driving. We need to look at our country, and start rebuilding. We in the USA don't want to admit that we need to fix our country, but we do. There is too much bickering. Everyone just needs to admit that things are f*ckd, and start figuring out a sensible way to make it better.
when fingers are pointed by critics, it is the time for sanity checks...we need to be self sufficient, energy efficient and stop importing stuff that have limited usage. we don't want our planet and our country to be dump yard of cheap, toxic chinese toys and products that doesn't last even beyond a baby's milk teeth. Let's say no to non quality products. of course there are advantages of having partnership and trade however we need to address all our basic needs using our own resources.
The author make clear and articulate points. The knee-jerk reaction among most Americans will most likely be to disagree with the author simply because his statements don't properly align with their world-view. While I don't agree with all of his statements, I think this was a well-written piece and is great food-for-thought.
America is already far behind. Anyone who has gone to Asia, Australia, Dubai, etc knows this. They don't hardly use Civil Engineers (or maybe engineers in general) much anymore in the USA. Mathematics, science and engineering are not well respected or worthwhile ventures/careers anymore in the USA. They have been replaced with drug dealing, celebrity singers, actors, etc.
You can't turn things around in the USA because the general public in the USA does not appreciate the issues at hand in any meaningful sense. I mean, if America is pouring money at Lady GaGa and ignoring their own sewers, roads, bridges, dams, schools, hospitals, medical system, economic system, leaders, etc, then how the heck are you going to turn that situation around? It's like explaining the pitfalls of alcoholism to a long term abuser who is not listening to a word you are saying. The rest of the world will simply ignore the stupidity of the alcoholic America and only deal with the idiotic drunk as much as they have to until such time as the drunk is powerless. And like all idiotic drunks, America may have to hit rock bottom (basically turn into Mexico or the USA 3rd world equivalent) before the people bother to care more about day to day issues than celebrity rubbish.
Anyway, it was a good 250+ year ride we had in the USA... but the general population abandoned their founding principals and traded in concern and action for Direct TV and the world passed them by.
Who do we blame? Obviously the people we elect to make sure the American dream is achieved are very corrupt. The President isn't doing much domestically. Am I angry? Yes. We have to act quickly. This is sad.
We are not 'falling' behind we are being dragged down by our own government who cannot and will not act fast enough to compete in the new global markets, all they do is give away the store in hope of getting re-elected.
One thing about the decline of Imperial powers is stagnation, arrogance and not realizing that they actually are declining until it is too late. It happened to Imperial China, Rome, the British Empire, just about any great power. I fear that this is starting to happen to the US. We keep justifying stupid, inefficient policies by saying that we are still the most powerful country in the world and saying that no other nation has risen up to overtake us despite all the past threats. The problem is that it only takes one country to overtake us and by then its too late. We can't take criticism from others so poorly especially when they're constructive. They tell an uncomfortable truth but the more uncomfortable it is, the more true it probably is. We need to make changes now and stop the contradictory policies and everything.
It is too late. A $14 trillion debt will require a certain amount of austerity and decline before it can be retired. China is debt free with trillions in savings. Although a relative few of their population enjoys the good life being talked about and it will be difficult for China to extend that good life generally throughout the nation without also slipping into a debtor situation.
I can't wait for the war with China...so we can destroy them as we did Japan. You Azn's are no good, backward people. You have a government that lies to you daily (at least ours tries to hide it) You will fail...communism always does. And when your economy does reach ours...you will still have a lower per capita GDP than us and will also have to deal with being big brother...its expensive. Never trust someone that can't fully open their eyes...
Go ahead, fight it out amongst yourselves on an internet site. Meanwhile, the Chinese are learning two extra languages in the meantime.
One can only concur with the author's analysis. In particular, the issue of infrastructure is more than blatant. China is working on a comprehensive high-speed rail infrastructure in addition to upgrading airports (49) and building new ones (56) on the basis of the 2011-2015 plan. In 2015, China will be equipped with 240 modern state-of-the-art airports. By contrast, airports, roads, bridges and rail infrastructure in the US are more than outdated. Any comparison with Japan is even more embarrassing, the Japanese operate a high-speed train network (Shinkansen) since 1964 !
The issue of education is a very important too (amongst others), just look at the number of Chinese students getting degrees in US universities and vice-versa. China is growing at an impressive pace and you have to go there to realize what they have achieved in such a short time.