A number of you have been asking me on Facebook, Twitter and iReport what I think about the renewed push for Israeli-Palestinian peace. Do I think this is wisely timed and do I have any optimism for it? Here are my thoughts:
I think that fundamentally you’ll only get peace if the Israelis are convinced that it is in their interests. They have power on the ground. And they’re the only ones who can really determine whether or not they’re going to make peace happen.
I think that they are secure enough that they should. But that has not translated into the Israeli political process, which is still being held captive by a bunch of smaller, right-wing parties. The parties have, often for non-foreign policy reasons, decided not to move the country toward peace.
In that context, I’m not particularly hopeful that there will be much more happening in the coming months. I don’t see some game-changing event on the horizon.
A different Israeli leadership could result in a very dramatically different outcome because a majority of Israelis would like to see peace and are willing to make fairly painful sacrifices to have that happen. But Israel’s political system right now does not reflect that majority. It over-represents the minority who are opposed to any kind of deal with the Palestinians.
Those are my quick thoughts on this question. What do you think? You can send me your questions on Facebook, Twitter and iReport.
Though I don't really understand why, it seems the Israeli government is trying to patch together a peace process in order to avoid Palestine asking the UN for independent statehood. It should also be clear by now that the US is not truly an honest broker in the peace process. My question is, if this sort of tactic on the part of Palestine more or less forces Israel to develop a peace deal, what do you think it would look like and what would it entail? The US wouldn't seriously veto a resolution to grant statehood to Palestine would they?
True, Fareed, Israel has the power to make things happen. The question is: how much are they willing to sacrifice? It takes two to make peace. Here they have unbridgeable discords. What about the Palestinians? Are they happy with the two-state solution? This conflict has been existing for decades and the Palestinians seem quite happy with their plight being the centre of attraction.
You are right.
The Muslim world will NEVER stop at anything short of total destruction of the Jewish state. Even with a 2 state solution the problem will never end.
Check out my detailed resp. below and let me know if you disagree.
This is not a Muslim issue smart guy. But you have shown your true collors.
I now prefer the one state solution as Israel has control of most of the land and resources so as well let it control all the population ( Israelis and Palestinians ) as we may in future with the democratic process make a decent living in our country.
As long as the status quo is not effected Israel will see no reason to make peace. Hopefully The arab spring might change that status quo and Israel will have no choice to make peace with its neighbors.
True! That's why Israel is watching this movement of Arab Spring so closely. We see that Egypt takes an aloof stance on its earlier relationship with Israel. Whatever happens in Syria will not change the equation So people in Israel are worried and they want a feasible solution with the Palestinians. Yet those minorities, backed by sympathizers abroad don't want to yield. It's all about land! Both parties blame each other for intransigence.
Why does everyone talk about Israel's "painful sacrifices" in order to make peace? It has to give up its occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem in any final deal and everyone knows that. Why is this so painful? Because of the settlers? They had no right to be there in the first place, so they will have to leave when those territories become the state of Palestine, or stay and live as Palestinian citizens (unlikely). Calling this a painful sacrifice gives it a sense of nobility it does not deserve.
It's painful because if Hamas gets independent status while they are committed to the destruction of Israel then they loose the ability to control their borders.
They only was Israel will agree to peace is if Hamas agrees to let them exist. Want to take any bets on how Hamas feels about that????
Why does the us get to keep California ?
I totally agree with you.
Had the "so-called" Palestinians been serious about peace they would have accepeted the Israeli offer of almost 96% of the land that Israel was willing to give away to a future independent Palestine, during the camp david summit facilitated by President Carter.
Having said that, the Muslim world will NEVER stop at anything short of total destruction of the Jewish state. Even with a 2 state solution the problem will never end.
Plz. check out my detailed resp. below and let me know if you disagree.
Fareed forget about minority right wing parties,the usa zionist lobby grp won't let the palestinians get their land.I don't belief in a palestinian or israeli state.
Netanyahu would much rather have more land than peace. Top adviser Dennis Ross is a tool of the Israel lobby and has been an utter failure. Obama cares more about being re-elected than anything else.
Great analogy Ben, straight to the point.
To attain a win-win solution, thre has to be land concessions from Israel, to be sure. But there also has to be Palestinian willingness to accept Israel as a state of the Jewish people. Neither Abbas nor Hamas are willing to do that. In addition, the Palestinian leadership need to forget the idea of returning Palestinians to reside in Israel. The Palestinians will undoubtedly get compensation but will have to live in Palestine. And with the establishment of Palestine alongside of the Jewish state of Israel, the conflict has to be declared over, permanently. What do you think, Mr. Zakaria?
Well said Mark!
I support a 2 state solution in the ME – a Jewish state living along side a Palestinian state with all Palestinians in Israel (numbering 20% of the Israeli population) joining their Palestinian brothers & sisters in building a viable state for themselves outside of Zionist control. Rich Muslim nations with trillions in petro-dollars and 1.5 billion Muslims can surely help just a few million of their Palestinian comrades to stand up on their own feet.
I also support talks with the moderate elements of the Taliban. America should stop wasting its blood and money, leave the place and let Muslim nations (under the aegis of the OIC) to bring about a lasting solution. That way America also is not tainted with accidental killing of innocent women & children living in midst of the extremists, which invariably happens when some one chooses to live in a war zone. Again rich Muslim nations can establish an Afghanistan fund to uplift those helpless people.
good point re the rich Muslim nations. They certainly could help bring their co-religionists out of poverty etc now, as they could have done decades ago. Unfortunately they choose not to, yet Israel has absorbed many refugees and immigrants without question.
I'd like to see a two state solution, but as many above have already noted it will only happen when Hamas or whoever is in power decides to let Israel exist in peace. The worst thing that could happen is if they declare a Palestinian state in one breath, and in the next re-affirm their desire to destroy Israel. That will start another war, and the loser will be the Palestinians.
I agree with your thoughts Sir Fareed. I am optimistic about the renewed push for Peace Process. State's men will not bring any relatively positive result from the peace plan . I dont have confidence on US as a broker. Only ordinary individuals can bring a change.
Unbelieveable that Zakaria would even think that it is up to Israel. The Xenophobic response in 1948 to the establishiment of Israel has never, ever been abated; the opposite: After 62 years of total education that Zionism is the scourge of Islam, it is understood from Arab mother's milk that Jews and Israel are the enemy. This mindset, no matter what Israel contributes or what paper is signed will remain. What are the barriers to another Yom Kippur attack by an Islamist Egypt and -who-knows-what Syria downstream? As long as there is a mindset that does not see any Jewish Israel as a positive and contributing element to the benefit of the Mid-East, there will be contined efforts to eliminate it. That is why Israel requires of the PA ironclad basics: Revisions of the 1948 armistice line to more defensible positions for Israel including retention of major Jewish populuation centers, control of all borders and airspace, watershed control and other measures to prevent third world mentality from destroying delicate physical resources, no "refugee descendents" into Israel and finally, they must recognize that Israel is the State of the Jewish People. This is the most critical issue, for otherwise the Arabs truly believe they are dealing with 'monkeys and pigs'. Finally, since the current unrevised charters of Hamas and Fatah call for the total destruction of the Zionist entity even before 1967, there must be a complete rejection of these charters and re-education of their people.
The Peace the 'majority' of Israelis want is a real and lasting peace, not another worthless temporary ceasefire. Not a minority, but most all are NOT willing to put themselves at risk for less. Zakaria is fooling himself, if he believes otherwise. Only the Arabs can make this happen. But they cannot. It's their cultural nature. The result will be the same: no peace treaty.
I totally agree with you.
Plz. check out my detailed response below and let me know if you disagree.
I agree with you. For Mr. Zacaria I want to say, you are triying to twist the reality of what is going on in Israel today. The Policy of the actual GFovernmen has been of restraint, the cosntruction on settlements is an excuse by Mr. Abbas to sit and talk, he does not want to talk and that bis why he is going to the UN, to make a fait acomply on the ground but thta is not so simple.
As for people that talk about Occupation let me xplain the following Israel was declared a State by the UN in 1947. Arabs did not accept the parttion plan. Arabs urge the Arab population of Palestine to leave so arab armies could come and wipe the Jews from the land. Guess waht the arabs lost and Jews stayed, Jerusalem was divided because of the war, then nobody spoke about the Palestinian problem, Jordan anexed the West Bak and East Jerusalem for 19 years.
In 1956 Egypt close the strits of Tiran, order the UN peace forces to evacuate Sinai and close the Suez canal to Jewish Navigation. And also Nationalize the Canal. England and France atacked because they were against nationalization and Israel answer Egypt's aggresion and casus belli.
Again in 1967 three Arab states declare war against Israel this time Israel won and push all the Arab armies back repelling the atacks, it was to avoid bneing anhilitaded.
So by now Israel was atacked tree times two times Egypt lost Sinai in 1956 and 1967. Syria after declaring War unprovoked as did the otherArab states lost the Golan Hights, from where they were constatly bombarding the Israeli Kibutzim near the Kineret.
Finally Jordan also declare an unproked war and los East Jerusalem and the West Bank. What was won by war was lost by war. After 1967 the Arabs made the Khartoum Conference were they said No to pEace, No to reconition no to Relations with Israel Again in1973 Egypt and Syria declare war and lost.
After being the aggresorss 4 times the arabs have to pay a price. Samething happen after World War II countries payed the price of war by loosing land, same happen with India and Pakistan. None of them are occupiers so why after 5 wars to anihilate Israel , Israel is the Occupier. Israel did not do waht Germany, Occupy and atack. Israel defend itself and in the fights (5) the arabs lost.
When Egypt and Jordan made peace Israel gave back land and made special agreements.(whch Egypt already wants to abrogate) Palestians have los at least four time the posibility of having a State, but with their rethoric and demagogy there is not one Palestinian who will dare to sign a peace treaty with Israel, because he is afraid of being murdered. That is why they want to go to the UN, this will avoid any Palestinian to sgn a treaty and get killed.
Fareed cannot be considered unbiased. He returned a specifically first amendment award (from the ADL) when Foxman(its head) exercised his own first amendment rights (by calling the "ground zero mosque" provocative).
Fareed, can you explain to us why did Obama make a 180 degree turn so soon after he addressed the Muslim world in 2009,
promising a dialogue with the Islamic world, and then, soon afterward, started doing the bidding of Israel and its supporters like AIPAC? He has threatened the Palestinian authority to withhold U.S funds if they dare going to the U.N and making
an independence declaration. He has voted against condemning Israel for its murder of 9 Turkish members of the Freeedom Flotilla!
Is the President of the United States for occupation? Is he against human rights? Or he is just full of hot air like any other politician.
What is your take on this?
Freedom flotilla ?
You mean, ship full of thugs trying to break a legal weapons embargo.
There is NO such thing as a "Palestinian"
go back to Jordan.
These old Zionist cliches are no longer the "in" thing. Not even Israelis believe your hogwash.
No wonder you write without a name, even a pseudo one!
While that's a fact, there have been several such myths perpetuated on the world by Muslims, and unfortuantely our self imposed political correctness does not allow us to question those!
Norman all waht you said is plain Rubbish and you are twistin things. US will withdraw funds for the Palestinians for two reasons. For not wanting to have direct talks where all to be siad will be put on the Table to be discussed and second the new aligiance with Hamas, which oposes the existence of Israel and is considred by most countries as a terrorist group. There is no 180 degrees shift in american policy, simply the condition for help and funds is if a peace process is made and the conflict ended. Palestinian with the excuse of the settlements dont want to negotiate,
Israel already showed an unilaterl gesture by giving back Gaza, in return Hamas shelled Israel for 5 yeras and bombed cities and cvilian populations in Southern Israel. Settlements wont be an issue if they sit and talk. Israel accepted to freeze settlements for 10 months. Palestininas only came to sit in direct talks in the last month. Why did they loose 9 months???
Settlements is an excuse to avoid direct talks. The rest is Palestinian BS.
The 9 turks killed in the Flotella were turkish terrorist who declared prior to the atack that theywanted to be martyrs. The Israeli soldiers were atacked with batesmknifes and guns, thay practically lynched 2 soldiers and one was thrown overboard, so the soldiers shoot in self defense
Give West Bank back to Jordan.
Give Gaza back to Egypt.
Make Jerusalem Isreal's capitol.
you are a capital clown for saying this
JamesA, you are right – the settlers shouldn't be there in the first place, but why was the west bank occupied? Do I have to remind you that the war started when the Egyptians broke all the existing agreements and stated to "through the Jews" to the ocean? The reason for the unrest in the middle east is very simple – the Arabs and the Palestinians are not willing to accept the Jewish state in this region – simple as that. The rest is just tactics how to achieve their goals. Keep in mind that as soon as Israelis will be convinced that there is a chance for Peace, it is not a matter of a government like in any other democracy.
I have NO questions to ask my former countryman Mr. Fareed Zakaria, SIMPLY B’COZ HE CAN'T BE TRUSTED on anything REMOTELY involving his Muslim faith..........PERIOD!
Having said that:
Mr. Zakaria's deep rooted “hatredness” for Israel, dislike of America, Europe, Russia, and in short the entire free world whom he “perceives” to have ganged up against Muslims everywhere, is “just too apparent”, even as he “pretends” to love America! Mr. Zakria's love for America is limited to the opportunities he has had in realizing his dreams, making money, enjoying religious freedoms, overall fairness & magnanimity of Americans, and his ability to influence & be heard by a lot of (gullible?) Americans, while being perched on top of respected media agencies.
So Mr. Zakaria being highly educated is neither naïve nor stupid as some people think, or fair & reasonable! Likewise Mr. Zakaria should also not be confused for other liberals who espouse true equality/freedoms for all Americans without encouraging mis-use of those very same freedoms with utter lack of sensitivity to other Americans.
Those are the “precise” reasons (in addition to Hollywood blockbusters), a lot of urban educated Muslims all over the world “swear” they love America (or is it grudgingly envy America?). On the contrary they are firmly rooted in the “Islamic Radical camp” when it comes to nursing the “never ending list” of “worldwide” Muslim grievances which Mr.Zakaria himself links “all the time’ to explain away dissatisfaction of American Muslims! The “only CRUCIAL DIFFERENCE” between such “so-called Muslim MODERATES and their JIHADIST brothers/sisters is in that, they don’t support burning of schools, trashing their women, forcing their women to wear the Burqa, or imposition of Sharia rule (ONLY for business, as it deprives them of any business transaction that generates profits, which is unacceptable under the Sharia!), and may be a few more such reasons.
Short of these, there is absolutely NO DIFFERENCE between Muslim RADICALS’ & “Muslim MODERATES’ line of thinking on the “Supremacy of Islam”, “Monotheism”, “Injustices” by the west (both real & perceived), adherence to the “Muslim Ummah”. It’s such TRANS-NATIONAL allegiance to their religion and NOT to their homelands that makes a lot of Americans (Europeans, Indians, Israelis, Russians….) rightfully question their “Patriotism” and “trustworthiness” when it comes to national security issues.
Check out this video from Mr. Imran Khan one of Pakistan’s leading, politicians with a huge support base among the educated, urban, and “so-called Moderate Pakistanis”. A careful review of his message shows that Mr. Khan (and his Pakistani elite) inspite of being modern in his outlook, articulate, western educated, formerly married to a Christian British women etc. is “in reality” no more different from the Islamic radicals he purportedly opposes (just the way Mr. Zakaria does)!
Having said that I have written extensively in these columns stating my reasons for believing in what many Americans already know of Mr. Zakaria.
Particularly on the Israeli-Palestinian issue Mr. Zakaria routinely trashes Israel for oppression against the “so-called” Palestinians while “Never ever” referring to HAMAS' single point agenda of “destroying Israel” and also its main proponent America!
HOW ON EARTH CAN ISRAEL EVEN NEGOTIATE WITH THESE ISLAMIC RADICALS..........ON WHAT BASIS?
While there are “far too many” articles by Mr. Zakaria trashing Israel, and America, the following from his CNN-Fareed Zakaria-GPS lays bare “his no-holds barred” approach in supporting Muslim issues in the ME, and his “Crusade” to get Muslim Turkey into the European Union (EU) thereby opening the floodgates for mass Muslim migration into Europe & America (in the garb of building bridges between the west & Islam).
I invite readers to tell me where I am wrong.
Take your meds. Mr Zakaria is one of the most objective people in the business. His opinions might not reflect yours but that doesn't mean he's anti-Israel. Israel has done some very questionable things which not just Mr Zakaria but many many people are disturbed by. I'm a big fan and I enjoy watching someone who is not obsessed with republican and pro-Israel provocations.
Good Luck Tina!
For those who oppose the existence of Israel, or believe the "Pal es tin ian narrative" (the same thing), facts do not matter. I admire you for attempting to convince zealots.
You are exactly right!
Mr. Zakaria is covertly urging the Egyptians to abandon the peace (NOT the deal!) with Israel, given that the Arab movement suffered a body blow when Egypt was taken out of the equation, after Israel traded the oil & gas rich Sinai peninsula (an area nearly as big as Israel itself) in return for peace.
Here's what Mr. Zakaria MISCHEVOUSLY said:
"The peace between Egypt and Israel was never between two peoples but between their regimes."
Plz. check out my detailed resp. below and let me know if you agree with me.
Fareed I now know on what side you’re on.
I have been reading some of your articles and thought that you may have something to contribute, unfortunately I was wrong. you totally ignored the idea that Israel has in many actions offered a very good deals to the Palestinians and found up the they did not want any, they are in a position of none compromising at all, the only thing they will accept is a complete elimination of all the Jews from the land the British called Palestine.
In their hearts they think just like Hamas.
You are a despicable man. Let's face it–you are ashamed of your Muslim religion because you its standing in the world today–terrorism, violence, disgusting values, mistratment of women, gays, etc., etc . Of course you are jealous of Israel because in sixty three years it has accomplished more than Muslims will ever accomplish in this world, morally, ethically, intellectually, scientifically, etc. Israel and the Jewish people are the ultimate model of morality and accomplishment in this world along with America. No other country has ever come close. However, according to Zakaria the anti-Israel advocate, everything is Israel's fault and the fault of the Jews. Now that is pretty funny.
You say that Israel is secure enough and that it should make peace with Hamas (and the Palestinians) whose charter wants Israel destroyed. Thank God you returned the ADL award because you certainly did not deserve it. Don't you realize that you are just a useful idiot for CNN who needs a Muslim in suit as a token. My college son is a great deal wiser than you will ever be and he could out debate you on the Middle East or any topic of your choice. You are an embarrassment. Kindly go back to wherever your family came from because certainly you are not an American with Judeo-Christian values. Shame on you. You sicken me and just about every one of my friends feels the same way about you. No wonder your ratings are in the toilet–you are simply a big bad joke.
I do not understand why racists are allowed such large forums. Clearly Fareed is one of these. In all of history I have never heard of a peace agreement falling all on ONE side. Fareed is quick to point out Israel's right wing leadership, but gives no mention to Hamas. Where is the mention of the rockets, and the absolute refusal to acknowledge Israel's right to exist? CLEARLY Fareed is a muslim supporter. It is unbelievable the bias CNN shows by not giving a pro-Israel person a similar forum. Fareed you disgust me.
In my opinion, sir, I think you place way too much of the burden on Israel. Israel is far more open to the prospect of peace than are the Palistinians. Foremost, there is the security issue. A crediable scenario is that even after a Palistinian state were created, an invasion of Israel to get the rest, or at least a bigger portion than to make Israel a non entity is not out of the question. Countries that have always called for the creation of a Palistinian state such as nuclear armed Pakistan or Iran that continually calls for the destruction of Israel would have to put up or shut up. You can imagine what would happen next.
Unlike Israeli politicians, some who would be more willing to consider such a proposal than is reported, those on the Palistinian side that would consider brokering a lasting Palistinian/ Israeli peace treaty are considered nothing short as traitors and would be most probably eliminated by Hamas, Hezbollah, or fill in the blank.
Before Jerusalem or Israeli settlements on occupied territory can be discussed, this fundemal issue has to be addressed. Palistinians need to be able to move freely and not have an air strike after every infraction and Israelis need to feel that they can not be rocketed or killed in their beds.
Solve that and then the rest can addressed.
But, Mr. Zakaria is smart, intelligent, knowledgable but NOT the least naive or even a liberal in the general sense. Being a Muslim, like the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims in the world he hates America, Israel and the entire free world, and believes that the entire non-Muslim world is ganged up against Islam. Lot of people confuse his SUGAR COATED msgs. as proof that he is all fair & balanced, w/o realizing that it's all a PLOY to TRAP gullible Americans into his line of thinking.
His efforts are analogous to what is known as HONEY POT in Information Technology, where security professionals LURE potential hackers by promising a rich loot of privacy info etc., when in reality are fed junk. Mr. Zakaria's approach is about the same, with just one exception, the roles are reversed here!
I have wriiten quite extensively to expose this man, and plz. check my detailed resp.above and let me know if you disagree.
Looks like things seem to be falling in place:
a) FATAH & HAMAS sign peace deal which means that going forward Israel will have to negotiate with a terrorist entity committed to the destruction of Israel & its main proponent America!
b) Today we hear that Egypt has unilaterally & permanently opened its Rafah checkpost, the only border crossing into Gaza outside of Israeli territory. Clearly a breach of the 2005 international agreement to curb the smuggling of arms/rockets into Gaza.
c) Islamist supporters like Mr. Zakaria blatantly saying that the Israel-Egyptian peace accord was between two regimes (& NOT its peoples), covertly implying that Egypt while keeping the Sinai can abrogate the deal.
d) President Obama's known soft corner for the "so-called" Palestinian struggle to the detriment of the safety & security our only true ally in the ME – Israel.
Looks like everything is falling in place for a unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood b4 the end of the year!!
But, thanks to overwhelming support for Israel among the America people, and the widespread distrust of the Muslim agenda in America, Mr. Obama himself is under check after his in-famous Cairo Speech, support for the GZ Victory Mosque, vow to close Gitmo & trail of hard core Islamic radicals in civilian courts etc., on many of which he had to humbly retreat!
Hopefully American public pressure will also stop Obama him from doing anything remotely encouraging the Palestinians from unilaterally & stupidly declaring statehood!
Combine my above assertions with Mr. Zakaria's MISCHEVOUS title of the discussion
"Fareed Zakaria on "Why Israel-Palestinian peace is NOT imminent" we can very easily that there is a concerted COVERT effort (& desire!) by these elements to ensure that the "so-called" Palestinians have everything in place to strengthen their case if ever they decide to go back to the negotiating table.
Again, by clearly saying "Why Israel-Palestinian peace is NOT imminent" Mr. Zakaria is HERDING the flock (gullible readers!) into thinking ONLY along his line of NOT wanting to talk peace, rather than giving an opportunity for readers to vet their views from both sides!!!!!
That's why I have always maintained that we need to READ BETWEEN THE LINES" while ingesting Mr. Zakaria's writings to avoid falling into his trap!
Friends: Let me know if I make sense!
Fareed is way off base on this one. The notion that only Israeli's can make peace just plain ignores reality. It takes two parties. Fareed fails to mention the real impediment to the possibility of any meaningful and lasting peace, namely the Palestinians. Over the years, the Palestinians by their actions, and by their declarations in Arabic, demonstrate they have not had, nor currently have any real desire for peace. The latest evidence of that is the so-called "reconciliation" between the PA and Hamas, and their illegitimate policies. Would anybody in their right mind interpret this as a step towards peace? It's time to stop giving Palestinians a free pass, and financial aid to support such illegitimate behavior. They bear responsibility for the situation they find themselves in.
Fareed Zakaria on why Israel-Palestinian peace is not imminent , i think that the process managers ( USA + Israel ) are expecting that the Palestinians shall repeat the same mistake that they committed in 1990 so that they give further concessions.
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