Editor's Note: Dr. James M. Lindsay is a Senior Vice President at the Council on Foreign Relations (where he blogs), co-author of "America Unbound: The Bush Revolution in Foreign Policy" and a former director for global issues and multilateral affairs at the National Security Council.
By James M. Lindsay – Special to CNN
Americans are cheering the surprising news that U.S. Special Forces have killed Osama bin Laden. The successful military operation is a tribute to the skill of U.S. Special Forces, the perseverance of intelligence professionals who have hunted bin Laden for more than a decade and the nerve of a president to order a military strike that could have failed spectacularly.
The strike on bin Laden’s compound also raises lots of questions. Here are seven:
1. Does Bin Laden’s death cripple al Qaeda and jihadist terrorism more broadly? Probably not. Al Qaeda long ago ceased to be a centralized operation. For the last decade bin Laden has been a figurehead more than a mastermind. Terrorist attacks, like the bomb plot that German authorities broke up last week, have been planned and carried out by largely independent al Qaeda “affiliates.” Nonetheless, U.S. Special Forces might have picked up valuable intelligence as they scoured bin Laden’s command post that could help uncover terrorist cells and plots.
2. Can you kill a symbol? In announcing bin Laden’s death late last night, President Obama noted that “For over two decades, bin Laden has been al Qaeda’s leader and symbol.” Men die, symbols don’t. In death, bin Laden will continue to inspire jihadists as much as he did in life. The biggest threat to bin Ladenism comes not from American bullets but from the prospect that the Arab spring will remake the political order in the Middle East.
3. Where is Ayman al-Zawahiri? With bin Laden dead, his chief lieutenant and the man frequently described as al Qaeda’s “brains” goes to the top of the most wanted listed. Zawahiri reportedly was gravely injured in a missile strike in Pakistan in 2008. Given his deep operational experience and cunning, the Egyptian-born Zawahiri is more than capable of plotting major terrorist attacks on his own.
4. Is Pakistan a reliable partner for the United States? President Obama said last night that “our cooperation with Pakistan helped lead us to bin Laden.” But the White House didn’t notify the Pakistani government in advance and Pakistani troops did not participate in the attack. Bin Laden’s compound was located just forty miles north of the Pakistani capital of Islamabad - or about the distance from Washington to Baltimore - in a city that hosts a Pakistani military base and military academy. Expect to hear more doubts inside the Washington Beltway about the value and viability of the U.S.-Pakistani partnership.
5. Can we leave Afghanistan now? Sometime in the next several months, President Obama will decide whether and how fast to draw down U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan. Last week the Pentagon reported mildly optimistic news about progress in the Afghan War. Bin Laden’s death gives the president the political opening to order the sizable draw-down that public opinion polls show that most Americans want. He has always justified the war in Afghanistan in terms of defeating and dismantling al Qaeda, and he can say that with bin Laden’s death that goal has been achieved.
6. Will Obama benefit politically from bin Laden’s death? The president’s public approval ratings have slipped recently after enjoying a modest bump earlier in the year. Expect another bump in the coming weeks as the public gives the White House credit for a job well done. But if past “rally-‘round-the-flag” dynamics hold true, the boost that Obama gets from bin Laden’s death will be short-lived.
7. Will our current bipartisan moment last? John Boehner, Dick Cheney, and Rudy Giuliani are just a few of the Republican luminaries who have congratulated Obama. As John Kennedy once noted, victory has a thousand fathers. But don’t expect this moment of unity to last. The issues dividing Democrats and Republicans are too deep to be bridged by the death of the world’s foremost terrorist.
Asking these questions does not diminish the significance of what the Obama administration accomplished yesterday. Killing bin Laden brings closure to the families who lost loved ones on 9/11. It shows that terrorists will pay for their crimes. Justice was done.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of James Lindsay.
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Don't count on that last one. We already see a report by the Heritage Foundation stating that bin Laden's death should be cause for even greater military spending and more of a presence in Afghanistan. This follows the faulty conservative logic that "because the war in Afghanistan is working, we need to send in more soldiers to finish the job". Here is a link to the article: http://blog.heritage.org/2011/05/02/morning-bell-bin-laden-dead/. The Republicans will most likely say something along the lines of "its great that President Bush laid the groundwork for this to happen" or deflect praise for the President onto "our men and women in uniform". One thing bin Laden's death does prove however is the US needs to rethink its response to terrorism.
To respond to James: If the conservative logic is faulty why would Obama a liberal follow it? Plainly the descision to continue in afganistan is Obama's. Of course Obama did send more troops in the first place so it may not be a conservative/liberal issue. I also do not understand how successull operation resulting in Bin Laden's death means we need to rethink our strategy. Why not try being just an Amercian on this great day for our country, and forget the democrat/republican labels. Just for one day. Please.
And you will soon see President Obama respond to the now different status in Afganastan. Obviously a few hours is not enough time to allow him to make adjustments to the direction of GWB's illegal invasion of a soverign country who did not attack us on 911. He can then solve this problem GWB left behind. That only leaves a few hundred more complete screwups President Obama will need to fix, caused by GWB whose ideas you fully accepted as golden.
I couln't agree more. This is NOT the time nor the issue for idealogical debate. When I first heard the news this morning and witnessed some of the celebrations, it felt great just to be an American.
Ray, I personally was disgusted by the celebrations. Don't get me wrong, I'm REAL glad that he is dead. Extremely glad.
But CELEBRATING a death of a human should NEVER be permissible in a civilized people. Celebration of victory, yes. Celebrating death, never.
To be honest, the celebrations literally reminded me of when Palestinians danced in the streets after 9/11.
Of course, I also have a singular perspective of nearly 5 years of deployment in the war zone and seeing first hand where such a value system that considers the celebration of the death of another leads.
Kevin – Both liberals and conservatives use the military to protect America. It's a fallacy to say that conservative are strong on defense and liberals aren't. President Obama took the wise and most appropriate approach to handling Bin Laden and that's to send a small elite force into Pakistan to take out Bin Laden. President Bush on the other hand used our military to invade two countries and we incurred deep debt because of that. Certainly the elite force is more cost effective than the large scale invasion.
Again, I'd like to see the defense budget slashed. We don't need to be buying planes that we won't use. We'd only be giving moneys to those corporations. Instead, I'd like to see that money go into buying armor and giving our troops a raise.
The issue was partisanship not whether Obama would follow a particular plan or not. It is impossible to “just be an American” when one side refuses to compromise, so stop covering your eyes and pretending “both sides are at fault”. Remember, the conservatives released their statements/reactions before anybody else did, so your blame should be on them. The Democrats have been playing scaredy-cat politics for the last decade or so. There is no reason to continue playing scaredy-cat politics here because Obama deserves credit where the credit is due. The proof is in the pudding: Bush spent eight years by invading two countries and has nothing to show for it; Obama spent two years coordinating with regional players and ended up having bin Laden killed. Burying your head in the sand and being afraid of politics is just a cop-out. Politics is a byproduct of government, so it will always exist whether you like it or not.
We need to rethink our strategy because thus far, the US response has been a tremendous overreaction to a threat posed by a handful of people. All that amounts to is beating your chest and grunting like a Neanderthal to make others think you are being tough. Fareed pointed out that terrorism only works if the victims are terrified. Have you felt terrified lately? Have there not been fewer than 5 terrorist plots per year for the last 10 years? Was it not this surgical strike comprised of a few elite units rather than a full scale invasion that led to the death of bin Laden? Wasn’t Obama’s policy much more effective than Bush because he decided to actually coordinate with regional players? Then that means our immense troop presence in Iraq and Afghanistan is unnecessary and a waste of time and resources. We ought to use that energy to move toward closer ties with countries around the world, particularly countries in Asia.
Well said Wzrd1. The guy was a scum bag but I had the same thoughts you mention. I am sure I would feel differently if I had lost a loved one on 9/11.
James2 – You are a disgrace to this country. You do not have your head buried in the sand, but it is definitely buried somewhere else. Obama could not have done this without the work already done by Bush. I know this first hand as actual FACT, not politics. Go sip a latte and smoke a joint somewhere else hippy.
Because Obama is a moderate pragmatist, not a liberal.
Wzrd1,
I concur. My wife and I were talking about it this morning and while we are relieved OBL is dead, it is certainly no reason to celebrate. I don't remember who brought up the folks in the Middle East who celebrated when 9/11 happened, but think about how disgusted you felt and how angry you were at them. now they see us acting the same way. Think that'll motivate more than a few up them to sign up for bin Laden's cause?
To make matters worse, by killing him, we've martyred him in the eyes of his looney followers. Just imagine if we could have captured him. Imagine if we caught him, if we got him to GIVE UP and SURRENDER! He was asking all these people to die for this cause, but when he was in the cross hairs, he chickened out. That would have done a lot more damage to his organization than his death.
Like I said, I'm not sad that he's gone, but to celebrate? It makes us look like a bunch of barbaric animals blood thirsty for revenge, not justice. That makes us look like them: the bad guys. And frankly, I want to be better than the bad guys.
Poor John Y – so consumed with hatred for GWB and so uneducated that all discussions are reduced to finding a way to blame GWB. I'm sure that poor John Y also blames GWB for the pathetic apology tour that obamanation took to give each of his socialist buddies political head.
@ Soldier 4 Life
You tell me then what groundwork did Bush lay? What did Bush do to bring the US closer to capturing Osama bin Laden or fight terrorism? More importantly, why was Bush so resigned to give up on trying to capture bin Laden just six months after 9/11? Remember that? Here, let me remind you:
Why did he take his eye off the ball to go to war with a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11? And why did he give PMCs hundreds of billions of our dollars during the Iraq war? It makes me sick how people talk about "supporting the troops" but look the other way when most of the money spent on "defense" goes to fatcat contractors while our soldiers are really barely making $20,000-$30,000 a year. So you tell me, what groundwork did Bush lay?
Here are some comments from this video to educate you a bit:
"my husband is an E6 who makes about $40000/yr benefits included, take home pay a lot less. it's a slap in the face to him how much more these mercenaries make. he's served this country for 12 years and plans on making it to 20. sometimes i feel like this country doesn't deserve the sacrifices he makes."
"The more American soldiers die in wars the more the government loses support from their country. While for hiring mercenaries, it doesn't matter how many of them dies in battle because no one will know and no one will care because they're not American soldiers. See how convenient it is for the government?"
"Haliburton is as crooked as any company can get. Though can you say agenda people. Make sure you dumb asses all run out and join the military. Go kill some more woman and children for the WMD that they don't have. I really don't understand why noone gets mad or trys to stop these immorally wrong wars for profit. When will the people of america say no more and stand up against the illegal buffons that put americas sons and daughters in jepardy but untill then we will never be free from Tyranny."
So again, you tell me.
@ Andrew
I don’t think they will, and there is a thread on this blog detailing how support for Osama bin Laden has been declining recently in Muslim countries. What Fareed said rings true here, that the Arab Spring probably has more of an effect on the people than Al Queada and Osama bin Laden. If he does become a martyr, it will only be to a handful of people.
To the person whose name ends with "fukr"... Just look at your screen name, and the way you address adherents of our president. And YOU call someone else 'hate-filled' and 'ignorant"?. That's rich.
Wzrd1, we don't celebrate death; we celebrate justice.
I think we should not forget that the economy is so bad, worse and Obama did not do anything to change it. We should not forget that the value of the $ is down down and down. We should not forget that Obama is not the one for the job. We should not forget that we need a powerful person to brig back the country to the first place. With Obama is just a failure. Binladen is dead and hope this event is not use for political reason. 2012 is so close
@kevin, President Obama is not a liberal. He's a moderate. So was Bill Clinton. The Far Right sees the political world in terms of extremes, so they tend not to recognize moderates. John McCain is a natural moderate, but he began drifting to the right ever since his loss in the 2008 Presidential election. President Obama stands in the "sensible center" of politics. That's why he was elected President in a landslide. Thank God we have President Obama, because few politicians could have made the decisions that he made to get Osama bin Laden.
I have only one question...now the republicans are going to free the hispanic people in usa and let them get the immigration reform...or they are going to continue attacking this people....
You mean the illegal aliens sneaking in from Mexico? What does that have to do with getting bin Laden?
One issue has nothing to do with the other. Hunting down a terrorist doesn't somehow infer you now grant asylum to thousands of people who've snuck into the country illegally.
Luis – crawl back under your cactus. Adults are taking here.
OMG ~ Eve I actually laughed out loud when I read that!
Why do we have to even consider the illegal criminals?? They do not merit discussion except if we are discussing their extraction from US soil.
PDX if Bush was in office at this moment I am confident the same results would have occured. On the rest of your post spot on. Neither side will bend as the right is as you say over run by the fringe, which goes in direct polar opposites to the fringe on the left.
idk i think
TWM, I agree. I miss the good old days, when we had people in the middle of the road running things, rather than extreme right or extreme left. There are times that I honestly wonder if this planet is being bathed by stupid rays...
Luis, your parents should have taught you better, NOT to speak out of turn in a discussion on items irrelevant to the discussion topic at hand. As we don't have hispanic illegals in Afghanistan or Pakistan, your point has no merit and is disregarded as an infantile attempt to broach things irrelevant. ILLEGAL Alien is what those people are, ILLEGAL being the operative word. When a story comes up on the subject, I'll gladly discuss this matter with you. Until then, you are marginalized.
"PDX if Bush was in office at this moment I am confident the same results would have occured." Bush was in office seven years after 911. It didn't occur.
You are free. You can now go home amigo! No more US benefits health care or freedoms forced upon your people. Let your people go! Now. Thank you
Luis, Stop thinoking of yourself for one minute and be happy that a terrorist of such magnitude is no longer around to haunt countries everywhere. Also, if you are here legally as some of my freinds and family are then kudos to you. If not, too bad, get in line as they did and come into the country following the legal structure.
And the connection to this subject is what? What are you babbling about?
That has to be one of the most stupid posts of the day. LOL
@ Wzrd1
What exactly does "the middle of the road" or "the center" mean today? Can you tell me what comprises "the far left" and what comprises "the far right"? Because from what I have seen, the American political spectrum has massively shifted to the right, right under everybody's noses.
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2011/04/the-disappearing-center/
You know Luis, if your people weren't sneaking in and taking the right approach to being an american we wouldn't have to make these reforms in order to get people who don't belong here out. Florida is posing a bill making it legal for cops and places of employment legal and mandatory to check the status of it's employees. I'm actually happy this is happening because I am sick to death of all the people illegally living here. Now if you were all acting as grown ups and doing the right thing I wouldn't have a problem, but because you're all sneaking into our country I have one. I can't wait for you all to have to go back to Mexico.
Hopefully continue to attack the illegals
Luis, if you don't like being sent back to your country, then don't illegaly enter ours.
There is a LEGAL process already in place, use it or get deported for not. Stop complaining when you break the law, and don't depend on US citizens to make your life better by mooching off of our tax dollars.
Here's a recipe to not be deported:
Apply
Get accepted
Work a job
Pay taxes
If you fail to do ANY of those, than SHUT UP, YOU ARE YOUR OWN FAILURE!
@Luis: the GOP will continue to attack the aspirations of Latinos for as long as that tactic gets votes for GOP candidates. It's about appealing to racist voters. If it were really about "legality," the GOP would have condemned Ronald Reagan in 1987 when he granted a blanket amnesty to 1.7 million illegal immigrants. He did that at the request of a group of California businesspeople who understand that their profits depend on the cheap labor that illegals provide. Republicans don't care about legal/illegal when there are profits to be made. Except at election time.
Hey Luis, check this out:
"One of the soldiers selected to participate in the “counterterrorism group [that is] so specialized that no one can apply to join it” is Rubén Mejía, the son of Mexican immigrants.
Mexico’s El Universal newspaper reports that Mejía’s parents came to the U.S. from Guanajuato, a city in central Mexico. Rubén Mejía was born in the U.S. and enlisted at the Moreno Valley, California military base six years ago. After spending 7 months in Afghanistan, Mejía joined the SEALs and was able to see Osama Bin Laden’s corpse as it was carried out of the building where he was killed yesterday. " (taken from the website ThinkProgress, found here: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-seals-mexican-immigrant/).
Partisanship is flawed regardless, as evidenced by your post.
Am I the only one that thinks it looks like an O'Bama ploy? Why dump the body in the ocean? The DNA came back instantly. My friend was killed and it took months for tte DNA to come back. Sorry-I don't trust him. Convienent just when he slipped more in the polls. There will be retaliation.
Partisanship is indeed a problem. We have some GOP loyalists trying to credit George W. Bush for killing Osama bin Laden. That's to cover up the fact that Bush's efforts failed to capture or kill bin Laden for 8 years, and the fact that bin Laden had escaped into Pakistan despite all of the money that was poured into Afghanistan to get him. If they could get past the partisanship, they would be congratulating the President and the troops who carried out his orders and not trying to spin this into some sort of victory for Bush.
Osama was buried in the sea because they didn't want a shrine built for the guy or have his death location be a place of worship. I don't blame the US government for doing this. Osama should have been fish food years ago... Atleast we had enough "morales" to bury the guy according to the Muslim customs and not turned him in a to a maurder. It's moments likee this that makes me proud to be an American.
I am not a conspiracy theorist but.... 1) Why not bury him at Gitmo surrounded by four towers armed with snipers? Anyone would be allowed to come to the "shrine" at any time. 2) They performed a DNA test in one day? How come it takes weeks to get a DNA test completed when they find missing children in a river? 3) Where did they get a sample of Bin Laden's DNA for comparison?
Did you mean maurader or martyr?
GC, I'm sure they had DNA from his many family members (ones living in London or wherever) on standby for a situation like this. High priority situation. Not that lost kids aren't a high priority, but I doubt they have their DNA comparisons readily available. I like your Guatanamo burial idea though.
You don't need any prior sample from the subject. Any sample from any blood relative-even fairly distant- will do for comparison.
Why are we so happy? They (government) did not show any images (picture or video) of Osama’s body, so, why should I believe this government? This will not be the first time they do not tell the truth….
Something’s here it’s not clicking...we should stop being naive and start demanding to see pictures of the death body.
There a lot of questions that were never answered after September 11th and this one will not be the exception…..please America wake up, it’s time to look for our own back yard and forget about those stupid invasions sponsored by our politicians…..we should never go to Afghanistan and or Iraq to begin with……ask yourselves, what have we accomplished with these two stupid wars? NADA!
I heard on the news he had a sister die of cancer in the state of MA and her brain was seized and held to extract DNA when OBL was captured or killed. I hope we eventually close Gitmo, so I don't think it would be a great idea to bury him there. I like the idea of there not being a shrine to him. There were even people saying to bring the body here and put it on ground zero, I'm glad we are not that petty. That place would be a magnet for jihad.
Sounds like a fishy story. So dump the body in the sea.
What if a new message comes out from Bin Laden?
Why isn't the video for the American public to see? We show all sorts of other gross and disgusting things, such as American soldiers being shot, and the American citizens dying on 9/11. I for one have serious doubts that Bin Ladin has been taken out.
You can't be serious. When I read your Post title I thought, finally a poster with a brain. You got it half right. WHY BURIED AT SEA? ...and then you don't make a single lick of sense. Atleast they followed Muslim customs? Oh right, the same ones that, according to the US Gov, flew planes into buildings to die for their 99 virgins. Riggght, You sir are hypocrisy at it's best. The question, and I'll complete your post CORRECTLY is this: WHY BURIED AT SEA? SHOW US A BODY. NOW. IMO- Bin Liden has been dead since 2001. He was extremely sick in 2001, hell he was treated at a US hospital. WAKE UP AMERICA!
They should have buried him at the 9/11 site in a pit with all of the dead dogs from New York City.
Aaaaaand the tinfoil hats come out. Enjoy your crazy theories, folks. You sound like loons. As the media gets its act together and starts actually sorting the facts from the rumors, you are going to start sounding even loonier. It's a free country, so you can theorize all you want, but you should know that you really do look like idiots.
Couple of quick points, just for the heck of it.
1) It would make no sense to bury him on anybody's soil – not Cuban, and certainly not American. Why waste military resources guarding a body? Disposal at sea was a great way to respect the burial traditions of mainstream Islam (by burying him within 24 hours of his death as per their tradition), maintain the dignity of our nation and our soldiers (by disposing of him efficiently and matter-of-factly rather than sporting him like some kind of trophy), and make sure that the bastard's body can never become a rallying point for our enemies (by denying his adherents a psychologically significant geographical rallying point for their cause) – ALL THREE of which serve our nation's security interests to the highest degree.
2) DNA tests done properly and scientifically (i.e. performed several times to verify results) take about a week start to finish. Which happens to correspond to the amount of time between this raid and the announcement about this raid. I find it infinitely more likely that they used that time to analyze a sample (i.e. finger or something) they took from his body than it would be that this is all some kind of vast conspiracy to fake his death – a conspiracy which would be undone in about an hour by Bin Laden posing with a selection of American newspapers.
So, he's dead, folks. He didn't die back in 2001 or we would've crowed about it happily and invaded Iraq anyway. He died about a week ago.
So just as you have the right to spew your paranoid BS onto CNN's message boards, I have the right to start an intervention. Hey. Guys. Yeah you – wearing the tin foil. Reality is here. It's concerned about you. It wants you back. The world is not a bubbling cauldron of nonsensical and unlikely conspiracies – you've just been hiding under a crazy rock for a while. It's ok, though. It's just fine out here in the sun. Seriously. Come on out. We can go for a walk...
crabs gotta eat too...
"deflect praise for the President onto "our men and women in uniform". "
Good point, because the credit should go to some guy sitting in a luxurious office half a world away with his own massive personal security detail, not the men and women who collected the information, sorted through it, made sense of it, and went into harm's way to execute the operation.
Amen!
Both deserve credit. It was Obama's strategy to implement and he had the right people on the job to implement it. The military is the hammer through which civilians wield power. It is a product of the civilian world and exists to protect civilians, so it is hard not to feel a sense of superiority over the very same people it is purported to protect. It is ironic that without those civilians living in their luxurious chairs, the military has no purpose and cannot exist.
I think the credit should go solely to our armed forces. The President is a figurehead. While he is the "Commander in Chief" I would never give him credit (no matter which President it is) for a military action. The Navy Seals who did this acted bravely while facing probable death. The people who interrogated the courier did their job perfectly in order to gleam valuable information. The CIA and other intelligence sifted through probably a lot of crap data to get some real clues. Obama said "go ahead" which I'm pleased he did, but I'm proud of the people who actually made it happen. He should not get credit in the same way we don't blame Clinton for 9/11 (he had Bin Laden and decided not to take out). Anyways congrats America, may this be a new chapter of peace in the Middle East (we can hope right?)
Be honest with yourself. President Obama did what our past President could not. He used the intelligence provided and ordered the execution of a plan to kill Osama Bin Ladin.
There is no getting around that. Simply none.
Be patriotic for one day and say job well done.
Go back to the Bi-partisan bickering tomorrow.
Um, John that might be true except President Obama has said that the intelligence gathering started four years ago, when President Bush was in office. Let's be honest. President Bush and President Obama both played a role here, but it was the intelligence people and the boots on the ground that got it done. And of course the intelligence that led to this arrest came from Khalid Sheik-Mohammed after he was (gasp) interrogated with means most on the left want outlawed.
Actually, there is another way to look at this...Obama was against this war, but as president did not allow his personal feelings to affect how he ran the country. Obama took information from the CIA, which had been wrong recently on the whole WMD thing, at face value and acted upon it. Obama kept a lid on a major operation, going without OK from pakistan and without letting the cat out of the bag so everyone could debate it while bin Laden figured it out and moved. Obama had the balls to actually tell Seal Team 6 to kill bin Laden, something no other president has or probably would do and certainly would not have admitted if they did! Last, every time I turn around someone is blaming Obama for the loss of life in this war, if he is to blame for the failures and loss of life, he has to be recognized for the victories. You can not have it both ways. Obama took a stand and followed through without all the bluster. Bush took a stand and after a few months backed off, all bluster and typical of most high up politicians. I have 2 sons in the military, one is special forces (not Seal Team) I am quite proud of them and our country and I have no problem with Obama having credit for his role in this, it was no small thing. Most of the Obama haters blame him for every single dang thing wrong with this country, but you can not give him kudos where kudos are due... I am sure it is not easy, especially when your approval ratings are down, to order the death of someone–it lives on your conscious for a long while I am sure, even when you know it was a right thing to do, and it was risky in that people could critisize that he ordered the death of another human being. I think he did a fine job in this and yes I did vote for him and I still would today.
Michele – well said.
Why change oru approach to terrorism? It has now overtly & joyously justified. If the conservatives logic is faulty, then what is the alternative/ Less troops & capitulation.
Praise should be deflected onto our soldiers, they are the ones who carried out the operation guy. Every Republican that issued praise for Bin Laden's death thanked the soldiers first. Every Democrat who offered praise thanked Obama first.....all he did was give the green light. He never started this war, and quite frankly, I am surprised he continued it. THANK YOU SEAL TEAM 6......Even though your names cannot go in the history books for fear of retaliation from the peace loving Muslims (sarcasm), You are the true heroes......Don't mind those Liberals.....they don't like their freedom anyway.....
Republicans also needlessly sent thousands of our soldiers to their deaths just to make themselves a little richer.
The names of those soldiers is classified information for now. I would post them if I could.
Ummm, I am a democrat and while I think Obama deserves some credit, I believe that my first thoughts were something along the lines of ALRIGHT US MILITARY, WAY TO GO followed by Thank God Obama ordered this. No one interviewed me though, so....
As to your statement "Don't mind those Liberals.....they don't like their freedom anyway....."- I take great pride in our country and our freedom AND, I have 2 SONS serving in the military right now and a third who did his time also. I am a democrat which many people like you equate with LIBERAL or Socailist... neither of which I think I am. I also think Labels are ridiculous and many hide behind them. I think for myself, but when registering to vote I chose Democrat because I felt that on a whole, they care more about normal people than the republicans do. I vote in every election, including city level and I resent the he** out of people who assume I DO NOT CARE about our country or our freedoms or the loss of military people...
The killing of Bin Laden doesn't have any connection to the war in Afghanistan any more. Originally the logic was that we were going to go into Afghanistan to try and capture Bin Laden from the taliban. Well, we wiped out the taliban in Afghanistan but Bin Laden just moved into Pakistan. Unfortunately we had already heaped praise upon Pakistan for their assistance in the "War on Terror" (I still have a hard time using that phrase with a straight face) so we couldn't go into Pakistan after him. The search for him hasn't had anything to do with Afghanistan for years. We're only still there because we had no idea what to do with the country after we blew up the only government that was in place when we got there.
The victory here is one for the intelligence services and the diplomatic services. They managed to not only find him but managed to create an environment where we could get to him in a country that we don't occupy.
You can't win at guerrilla warfare using a standard army. Increasing our armed forces there as targets is just a waste of military power and money. However, we could fight like them with special forces to be like the guerrillas. The history of Afghanistan is that it has NEVER been defeated by any power, not even Alexander the great. Maybe that is why there is talk of a peace deal with the Taliban? We need to get out of their country if we aren't will to take them out. They as a country may never adopt to western culture, so what is the point? Resources there for American companies?
Agreed if we can't win, then get out but get out gracefully with the best conditions posible and try to keep the stragetic stablity in the region. But I would adopt extreme guerilla warfare, overwhelm force and most importantly WIN THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE. It's true no one has won in Afganistan but it's also true that NO ONE HAS VERY EVER WON A RELIGOUS WAR. But if we win their hearts of the people there will be no to little support for the rebels. I believe President Obama has the ability to achieve the impossible.
I sent away for a free copy of the Constitution and found out it was from a Heritage foundation program....for months afterwards I received all kinds of leaflets, newsletters and opinion surveys from them. all had an enormous Republican slant, turns out they are a 527 of the GOP...so if you are buying into their garbage I already know you are not to bright.
So, I see the pictures of the room where he died-all that shows is that someone died in there. Where is the proof he is dead? Where are the pictures of his body?? I don't want to see a DNA report -I want a corpse !
Is there any truth to the rumor that bin Lauden's birth name was actually Emmanuel Goldstein?
The Heritage Foundation is very conservative and any of their statements should be regarded as such.
And after the bum's rush of Looney Bin Laden (tossed in the drink so we can't identify the corpse) is done, then we can get back to stuff like Obama's fobbing off a FAKE computer-made birth certificate, and how he stands by idly and watches the banks steal peoples' homes, and the denial of all cost of living raises, the destruction of all unions, and the threatening of Medicare and Social Security. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, right, Barry?
@wzrd1 - d people who died in 9/11 are innocent people. bin laden is a murderer. it's easily for you to say that we don't need to celebrate the death of a person because your not the family of victims. what if your parents or children died in 9/11 then received the news that one of the al queda died how would you feel??? just always put yourself in the situation. My Husband, my Father and my 3 children died in 9/11 and your telling me that there's nothing to celebrate? you don't understand because your not in the situation.
Ma'am, sometimes children aren't raised (or brought up) right. 'Spare the rod, spoil the child' type of thing. Or 'if you keep messing with the bull, you're gonna get the horns.' Same thing as 'pee into the wind of the fan, you get a wet face.' My favorite though was 'keep play pu$$y, you're gonna get fu*ed.'
Justice done? That word does mean very different things. To me there is no justice in killing a suspect. We call that 'extra judicial killing' or a 'summary execution'
Seven questions that I want bin Laden answer after Dick Cheney deliver them to Hell:
1) Who's yo daddy nah?
2) What happened to all those 'Stinger missiles that America left in your hands?
3) Did you really think that the American military wouldn't shot you just because you hid behind a woman?
4) The Pakistan 7-11 'store owner on the corner wants me to ask, how does the 30 virgins look in east hell?
5) How many times did you see 'Freedom (American Bombers) flying over your head?
6) Did Pakistan give you save passage and did they keep you inform? Especially when Sec.of State Clinton was in country last month?
7) Did you ever meet with Donald Trump about building a hotel in the mountains?
A mind IS a terrible thing, especially when its processing while awake. LMFAO
There has been a lot of discussion concerning the decision not to release the photos pf Bin Laden in death. One argument for release is the right of the public to see the photos over-riding the danger to troops and Americans overseas. The issue of censorship has been raised. This is a faulty argument. Censorship occurs when someone creates something and someone else prevents its dissemination. This is a case of the creator of a document deciding to withhold release of the document. This is always the right of the creator. The issue of ownership is also faulty, since although copyright law states that the person who purchases the film owns the copyright to the images on that film, the government is not held to that standard even though the taxpayers paid for the film. Under that argument, we would own all the weapons and vehicles purchased with taxpayer dollars for the military. President Obama has a right to withhold those images regardless of the reason why.
Rod Norman
For years all people have done is complain that we never got Bin Laden. Now that we have, it did not take long for some to quibble over every point. I for one feel Bin Laden reaped what he sowed. I don't care if he was or was not armed, or whether he was or was not resisting. He simply was a murderer and an enemy of our country. He started this and his death and manner of death is his own responsibility. I support our President and our Navy Seals.
Bin Laden has finally died BUT I was brought up to think that when you have a rotten apple in the barrel there are several around it that are rotten . I hope and pray that we continue to do the work we are doing so that we will not have another tragedy as we had on 9-11. Please let us be aware of what has happened and what might happen. My thoughts and prayers go to all that have been affected by the vial man.
I am afraid there are going to be rotten apples around for a while. Bin Laden's ideology resembles that of Hitler's and will always mesmerise certain people and find its followers. I am sure Pakistan is totally pissed off with the U.S. now, after what happened and Taliban is not going to be a safer place for the ISAF. Whether the Arab world appreciates the Americans' feat only time can tell.
Afghanistan is not going to be a safer place. Indeed the resentments will increase. I hope that Bin Laden was not a Hydra and that the U.S. has done a better job than Heracles.
Really, 10 years to find one guy? How hard were we really trying? And why was the body disposed of so quickly? This will only lead to further conspiracy theories. Lastly, this isn't much of a victory against international terrorism, after all, Bin Laden's partners, Bush and Cheney, are still free.
Don't haver a clue, do you Lenny? How hard were we trying? Why was the body dsposed of quickly? You have to be kidding, right?
Not sure what to do with his body? Wanna give it a state honors? Did the right thing of throwing into ocean with sharks.
You are really an idiot. You should NOT be allowed to vote.
VOTE? Vote for who? Some other puppet? It's one big chess game and we're the pawns!
You're an idiot by calling Bush and Cheney terrorist!! I bet you're one of the libtards that needs to be booted out next year! Why can't you just be happy Bin Laden is gone.
I happen to be a liberal. Although I don't like Bush or Cheney, I would certainly not accuse them of being terrorists. Please don't think all liberals are retarded.
Hah, Hilarious. People are still on that? Can't we also say that Obama was in on it from the get go, and the Illuminati put him in charge so we'd stay in Afghanistan? Oh, and Bin Laden has been dead for, what are they saying, 2 years now?
Get off it.
Good one. It's been staged all along
Why? If this was a staged event, wouldn't this of happened before last years midterms. What is the point of staging an elaborate hoax for a small approval rating bump two years before the next presidential election? He's dead. Next target please.
Lenny – i agree, as a matter of fact i saw Bin Laden in a Star Bucks this AM enjoying a carmel latte.
I swear I read that as he was in starbucks having a camel latte.
@ Gary – That made me spit coffee out as I read it...
I can't figure out WHY they couldn't find one man out of nearly 7 billion people. One should be easy to spot, right? Rough terrain that he went through is trivial to traverse and search, right?
We ALWAYS check near major foreign military installations and a foreign version of West Point, right?
The earlier reports explained how he was found and monitored since last August.
As for disposition of the body, does the US military not obey US law, hence respects the religious views of others, to include dead enemies? Or should be be a proper third world nation and parade his body around every street of every city, then hang it from the Statue of Liberty?
As for Bush and Cheney being "partners", you should be arrested and charged with sedition, then locked away for the rest of your natural life, with no possibility for parole. You're as bad and as destructive as the birthers.
"As for Bush and Cheney being "partners", you should be arrested and charged with sedition". Criticizing leaders is considered free speech, not sedition. You have heard of freedom of speech, right? Because your comments sound pretty darn unconstitutional, and un-American.
Yeah, what Scoot said. If you want to live in a place where disagreeing with a politician is enough to get you locked up for life, move to China.
Scoot, sedition is NOT permissible free speech, as was proved repeatedly by the SCOTUS.
"In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws."
When one CONTINUOUSLY attempts to undermine the President, one can consider it subversion. As such, subversion is sedition.
As for me being un-American, not hardly. I just retired last year, after over 27 years of military service to this land and nearly 5 years of war zone deployment. I also read the entire constitution twice a year, to remind me of what I was protecting.
My time of military service to this land has ended, due to my retirement. I do NOT consider my solemn oath to protect this nation to EVER have an expiration date, as my word of honor does not expire.
If you're going to quote Wikipedia about the definition of sedition, you should click on the section marked "United States; Civilian", and read the cases that will clarify what sedition is in the US. Sedition is actively trying to undermine or overthrow the government, or actively encouraging others to do the same. Bad mouthing or criticizing ex-presidents, or current presidents, is free speech.
"When one CONTINUOUSLY attempts to undermine the President, one can consider it subversion. As such, subversion is sedition." Not when it's with words, unless they're encouraging violence or rebellion. If you call spouting conspiracy theories or just criticisms of Bush and Cheney "subversion", then virtually the entire Republican party, along with Donald Trump, and anyone else who dares to criticize our Glorious Leader is guilty of sedition against Obama.
Congratulations on reading the Constitution twice a year. Next time, you might want to read some scholarly articles on it, because you clearly don't understand the difference between free speech and sedition.
If you remember Lara Logan's interview on Face the Nation, just about everybody knew that Bin Laden was in Pakistan. The Pakistanis were dragging their feet by deciding not to tell where he was.
By Wzrd1's definition you would have to lock up a large number of continuously seditious folks like Palin, Bachman and Limburger. But even I'll admit it is unusual to cloak your sedition in the constitution itself.
At last it happened.. I am really happy along with all the relatives of the innocent people who lost their lives on 9/11. Some muslims were celebrating that occasion distributing sweets and hugging each other in Saudi and other parts of Muslim countries. Us has done a good job as they did not informed Pakistan about the operation. Otherwise they would have saved osama from this. Without the knowledge of Pakistan, how can he construct such a big house with strict security very near to their Military Academy ?? Pakistan ISI was helping him to stay in Pakistan safely.
@Lenny M. – It costs money to find a needle in a haystack, and at some point Americans became more interested in our economy and lack of jobs. The body was buried within 24 hours to respect the beliefs of his religion.
All a bunch of B.S. Americans DO NOT....I repeat....DO NOT.....respect other religions, outside of Christianity. Heck, they don't even respect Christian religions that differ from their own. There's been a War of Denomination's within American Christianity for several ages. Jews vs Catholics vs Mormons vs Jehovah Witnesses vs Seventh Day Adventist. And even within Catholicism (Mother of Babylon), they have their own little War. Lutheran vs Protestant vs Baptist vs Episcopal. So that "Boat of a Lies" sunk fast.
@ Truth....
The last time I looked,Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian religions. As to mini wars between various religions and their beliefs, they are mostly semantics and interpretations of "rules". Some groups are more liberal and some are more literal. But a true Christian has tolerance for other faiths, or at least that was how I was brought up. I am Lutheran, my husband is Presbyterian. Both of us have been going to the Episcopalian Church where in spite of our differing faiths we have been made to feel quite welcome and not once criticized for our differing religions. I have attended services of Jewish, Morman, Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Episcopalian, Jehovah's and countless non denominational or just plain christian churches as well as several that have been a little bit off the wall. The one thing I can say is that never has one made me feel a lesser person for not being of their faith. Some so called Christians are less tolerant and rant hate BS and have holier than thou, judgmental attitudes, but that is certainly not Christian as Christ our Lord and his disciples taught us to be. Perhaps some of the so called mainstream religions in the US need to revisit exactly what it means to be a christian and live in a country founded on FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
@Marty
Don't you mean a CAMEL latte?
Way to go Lenny. Tell it like it is. Any of you bozo's that really think the US of A with all its military Intel couldn't find one guy in 10 years to "bring him to justice" are very very naive. War is good business for many companiesin the USA and as long as you have red necks willing to have their sons and daughters killed in the name of national security you will have the internal terrorism that has exisited is the US for decades. Wake up people the enemy is within.
glad to see, not everyone brainwashed yet...Thx George
You're a moron, plain and simple.
@ George – I completely agree with you. This country is built on privatized militarty contractors and the privatization of prisons. War makes money so why would the government want it to end? Why do think we occupy 132 differnt contries around the world? Trust me when I say it isn't because we want peace.
I think the saddest thing here is that people are eating everything that is fed to them with a media spoon. A media who is wholly owned and opperated by ONLY 6 major corporations. While I am glad that people feel that they can now find peace, it's maddening that that peace has to come at the death of another human being. How does US celebrations of bin Laden's death make us any better than those people who revelled in the deaths of American after 9/11. When will people wake up and realize that it isn't the republican part nor the democratic party that will make a difference, it is the individuals who question the establishment???
EXACTLY!!! PEOPLE WAKE UP!!
I know! This is a real-life WAG THE DOG! No war is being fought, Dustin Hoffman is behind the camera calling the shots, Willie Nelson is doing the soundtrack. Am I the only one that sees this?!? Bin Laden, MLK, JFK and Jimmy Hoffa are all kickin' it on a remote island just off Cuba. Finally, if you are going to infer anyone in a position of power is a terrorist, make sure you take your head out of your butt, first. Otherwise, we can't hear it. Not that we want to....better yet, just let it go. And, for the love of God, please do not breed. We're in enough trouble as it is. Idiot.
I'm with you, Lenny. It may sound like a conspiracy theory but really, Bush lovers. You're so naive and that's what makes this country scary. The United States was and still is knee-deep in the undercover crap that they do so who knows what brought 9-11 around. You heard past stories of how the government (CIA) armed Osama; something went bad so then he became the scapegoat for war. Not that terrorism never existed, but as much as the United States has done and we just now had someone bomb America? You heard the stories on how we fronted Qaddafi and surely you just recently heard about the government brokering arms with Mexico. You got to wake up some time are the craps going to blow up in your face without you realizing has what happened.
Lenny, since you obviously lack clues, please allow me to provide you with a few. 1) It's very difficult to find someone with virtually infinite financial resources, especially when a government that is supposed to be our "friend" is helping him hide. 2) disposing of his body at sea and in accordance with Islamic custom prevents his followers from using his "parts" as holy relics dedicated to his "martyrdom." 3) I'm no fan of Bush and Cheney, but to call them bin Laden's partners is ridiculous.
Good for you Lenny.
When Bin Laden was first located in Tora Bora, Bush refused to send
enough troops in to capture him.
This came out during a congressional meeting.
We dont really "elect" anybody.
All of the candidates are hand picked, then we get to "select" from
column A – or colum B.
The end results make little difference.
The war on terror will continue, its on the agenda.
If you read "PNAC"
The plan for a new American century, written by the Neo-cons
and then watch what goes on in the world,
a little light will go off in your head.
My hope is that "a little light" will go off
in lots of peoples head.
Bloody Hell! More about this "Shadow Government" and the neocons supposedly running it. Do you honestly expect people to believe that Dick Cheney and Barack Oboma are co-members in some grand conspiricy? Oh and let me guess, Karl Rove, Dick Army, the Koch Brothers, the Clintons and George Soros right. Would the Freemasons, Jews, Communists, Nazis, or Illuminati have anything to do with rigging our elections. Oh well, no use argueing with a hard-core conspiricy theorist.
The question I am wondering is will we see photos of the dead man? There are plenty of Americans as well as people in the Arab / Muslim world who do not trust the American government and want to see for themselves. Did the U.S. allow any independent observers to view the body before they dumped it in the ocean?
Dana...people are going to believe what they want to believe. The US Special Operations Command isn't in the business of disproving conspiracy theorists
And the next round of conspiracy theories begins. And by the way, Obamas' Hawaii Birth Certificate is a fraud.
The sad part is,,, It IS fake, ... a bad fake... What will it take for you idiots to wake up?
Dear Mr. Trump:
Typically, photos of a dead man with a bullet through his left eye would not be posted for you to see. Only birth certificates requested by fools are made public.
Dana –
I completely agree with you. While I admit that dumping the body does makes a certain sense it's not enough to justify not having somebody like CNN come in for a "photo op" for the rest of the world to having something other than a vial of blood (or whatever they took for DNA evidence) would have been more assuring.
Am I a conspiracy theorist? Nah, I don't think so. But I'm also not naïve enough to believe that the government tells us the whole truth. Something smells fishy about this and I don't mean the ocean they left him in.
Dana, I agree. When Saddam's sons were killed, they did post images of the dead bodies. Others, this has nothing to do with a conspiracy theory. You would at least think that they would take a picture.
It wouldn't necessarily require a cnn photo op...surely someone had a cell phone that could take a picture....it is 2011 after all
It was reported the Seals did take a picture but of course they don't make the decison to release that. I'm sure we will see it at some point.
It's funny how at Al Jazeera, there is NO doubt, not even in their message boards. Only here in the US do people doubt the word of our SEAL teams, US government, President and military officers.
I find it interesting that Arabs accept the news and Americans do not. I really do.
Wzrd1 – You've just been charged with murder, and we're going to lop off your head tomorrow. The trial consisted of a vial of blood somehow proving you committed the crime and a government official testifying that it's yours. Your appeal has been denied because all other evidence has been destroyed. Enjoy the afterlife.
See how lack of evidence might just work against you? Don't be so quick to judge.
Actually, evidence destroyed is non-existent evidence in our court system and laws. Try learning the truth about our legal system.
Destroyed evidence is non-admissible. Evidence must be tested by both the defense AND the prosecution, hence a small sample that only one test can be performed on is typically not worthy of being submitted to the court, for the very reason you described. As has happened repeatedly in recent history.
Thanks for proving my point. We have a vial of blood and no evidence of where it came from or when it was obtained.
I bet even when they do release the photos people like you will scream they were faked. Be happy he's dead.
dana, trusting your government is very important. If no one trusted the United States Government, we would not be the country we are today. Although there is corruption in some aspects, were are very non-corrupt compared to many countries around the world. Without trusting your government, where would this country be?
Where is the photographic proof he is dead. Saying DNA matches is not enough. Pres. Bush got us photos of Sadam Hussein and his sons after they died. I think that the terrorist groups are going to continue to deny Bin Laden's death and say it is all American propaganda and lies.
so does this mean you are laying the groundwork for the next conspiracy theory – You know that Obama – you can't trust him at all – dam man get over it – the Mission if finally Accomplished
The real mission won't be accomplished until this president is out of office in some people's eyes. But I think they will have to wait until 2016 for that. I don't see anybody that can beat him yet. The group running and threatening to run against him are literally jokes.
To see pictures of dead Bin Laden there are many European newspaper/online!
Wow! DNA is not enough! So, if DNA is not enough, photographs won't be enough either, as photographs can be altered, DNA cannot.
So, you're saying you believe nothing your own government says. Interesting as the Arab Al Jazeera believes it. The comment boards accept it.
YOU do not.
I bet you don't accept the latest birth certificate from Obama too, right?
DNA cannot be altered, but the REPORT of that DNA most certainly CAN be altered. Kinda like taking 2 years to produce a long-form certificate of live birth, it is suspect.
Gary, the birth certificate was sworn to as authentic by TWO Hawaiian governors, one republican, one democrat. THREE directors of health of Hawaii ALSO swore to it.
STILL not good enough for you.
A DNA test was done and the results posted. STILL not good enough.
NOTHING is good enough for you, so you shall be ignored. Indeed, you should not be permitted to vote, as you can't accept anything, nothing is good enough, your vote is not good enough as well.
What do you think this is? The Grand Conspiracy of the Space Aliens taking over the planet or something?
wow, you are an angry person. Reports from any government agency, or any agency for that matter, can be forged. Misinformation can be spread. That a DNA report can be manipulated is a fact. That it took 2 years to produce the long form is a fact, and that 2 people "swear" it's authentic is meaningless. I DO accept the DNA evidence and I DO accept the long form, I'm merely pointing out that misdirection and misinformation are the possible, especially for an entity that has limitless resources, such as our government. You, having served for 27 years, should know this. Maybe YOU, in your zealous rage of righteous indignation, should not be allowed to vote, or at least not post here or a while. Or at least let your caffeine buzz wear off a little?
What are they comparing the dead man's DNA with? They did this in a day? They just happened to have previous DNA on sight? Sheep!
Give em' time to photoshop something up!!
again really stupid $hit comes out of your brain
He took a head shot. Perhaps there isn't much left of his face?
I don't buy it that he's really dead! Something tells me the timing of this announcement of an apparent death only plays into the hands of Obama announcing soon that he will run again. Smells awfully fishy to me!
Especially when Obama is claiming he ordered the military to do it. Like he did it himself. Dream on Obama, any President would have done the same. It was the military that did it not you. That same Military that you said you will pull out of Iraq and my son is still there.
He did order the military to do it. He's never claimed he did it himself. The president is the commander-in-chief...whether you like him or not. Try to be happy...this is a great day in a long struggle against evil.
Did he order the military to do it? Seems to me he did.
How is he supposed to word that when he is talking about it? Talk about himself in third person?
Well, I'm pretty sure that if bin Laden had been captured or killed during the Bush years, Bush supporters would have been happy to give the president credit.
re: "Especially when Obama is claiming he ordered the military to do it. Like he did it himself. Dream on Obama, any President would have done the same. It was the military that did it not you. That same Military that you said you will pull out of Iraq and my son is still there."
I thank your son for his service. (My own father was a Marine for 32 years.) But you SURELY must know that the President is the Commander in Chief. He must make these calls; the US has a civilian government. In this speech President Obama thanked the military and intelligence agencies for their long and dedicated work. Taking responsibility is very different from taking credit. There will be people who believe that this was an assassination; no one should blame the military who carried out the President's orders. It is the President's responsibility.
Obama is the Commander -In-Chief of the Military. They don't do anything he doesn't tell them to do or approves of first. Of course he didn't physically go over and kill Osama himself, not his job. He has every right to take credit for having done so.
As for Iraq, all troops are supposed to be out by the end of this year. Expect your son to be home by or before Christmas.
First, dullard, he is the commander in chief. Hence, he must approve this type of operation, especially in an allied nation.
Your hatred of him because your son volunteered to join the military is irrelevant. Perhaps if he wasn't a REMF, he'd be home. Or doing something worthwhile in Afghanistan.
But, I retired last year, I still have some contacts. If you want, I can have him transferred to Afghanistan, there are plenty of slots open at the FOBs.
You pegged the needle on the stupid meter. No any president wouldn't have done it. For a MONTH post 9/11 we sat on our asses while Bin Laden got away
Now STFU idiot
The statement given to Politico states the Military and Intelligence leaders wanted to bomb the compound using a B-52. President Obama was the only person who wanted Seal Team 6 to go in. He did not want massive civilian casualties in a country who didn't know this operation was taking place. I'm not an Obama fan, but, I applaud him for this decision.
Believe me, if the action had failed, you would hear the screams that it ALL was OBAMA's fault. That he didn't plan right, that he didn't pick the right people, that they didn't have the right weapons, equipment, intelligence and on ... and on... and on.
As if this a one-man effort. Get real. The president didn't take any credit away from the actual fighting Seal team.
Sparky, you are a total tool. The reason it took two months was because it took that long to get the military voer there to begin with you moron. Obozo din't have to do that. all he said was "go". Bush and his people did the actual hard work. So don't be so quick to give Obozo credit.
every time i think i've read the stupidest remark, i find another. kudos sir.
LOL! Me too JasonL, the comments are better than the stories usually.
didnt he already say he is running again where u been
He already announced he was running a month ago. You guys will believe anything, no matter how stupid, because of your irrational hatred of the President.
President Obama didn't take credit, he took responsibility. There's a difference. Get a dictionary, look it up.
Hey Steve,
Ummmmmm, The president made that announcement weeks ago.
Duh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Alquida or any terrorist group survives on common ideology of hatred out of there ignorance flamed by lots of fears, isolation, and wrong identifications. There dirty power survives with money and money transfer at required locations, support of huge black money provision for such activities by religious fundamentalist groups, support from dubious arms suppliers, support from drug money as black unaccounted money, support from few dubious government who are wearing mask of being with the world but operating secretly and indirectly with terrorist group and providing them all indirect helps like Pakistan, support of providing secret hide outs by dubious government like Pakistan, support of effective communication technology, support of providing secret locations for their training by dubious government like Pakistan. Active secret agents, new technology, drone attack, commando operations, constant pressure on dubious government and conviction to fight terrorist by majority of the world is going to win war against terrorist sooner or later. World power is jointly cooperating in cutting all support of terrorist like exposure of communication channel used by terrorist, keeping watch on money supply to them, keeping watch on armaments supply to them, keeping watch on dubious goverment's supports to terrorist training camps will bring tremendous pressure on existing terrorist group and one by one they will be finished in near future. World should focus on black money supply to terrorist group as main thing to curb and more pressure on dubious government like Pakistant supporting terrorist indirectly.
It is interesting that you single out Pakistan multiple times, when there are other governments, such as Iran, proved to be heavily involved.
One can only assume, from the obvious axe you have to grind with Pakistan, that you are Indian. If you wish to blame anyone for Pakistan and its mess, blame Ghandi for his failure to not convince all parties to have one India, rather than a handful of nations that once were India.
Pakistan is in a weak position, with tribal leaders in the hills not liking the city folk ruling the nation.
Now, you have a fairly simple choice, you can destabilize the moderates currently ruling your neighbor or you can destabilize them and the militants take over, to include taking over Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. Now, do you REALLY want Mumbai to glow in the dark?
Thinks are not as simple as you try to make them out to be. Remember, a failure of the Pakistani government and fall to the militants can be a failure that the entire planet pays for in the form of nuclear fallout.
hear hear! smartest person on this board (no sarcasm intended)
Dear Mr. Wzrd1, thank you for being one of the few people entering actual thoughtful comments. One of your previous posts stated that someone's death was nothing to celebrate. I agree, but I also understand the need many have to celebrate this one man's death, having been just a few blocks from the WTC on that terrible day. I'm not out dancing in the streets, but I'm not the least bit sad.
This is very skeptical as they say Osama bid laden is dead, yet they do not release a real image of his corpse. Unless you show actual footage of his capture or execution, you can not truly believe that America's most wanted man is dead. Besides, it takes 20 years to find one man? The mafia can find a man in a month.
what an idea – we should let the Mafia run America – what are you saying anything is better than the American President we have not – you people make me sick
Really? Will a picture absolutely prove he's dead? Ever hear of Photoshop? People will believe what they want to believe.
Dec 27, 2007
Former Pakistan Leader Benazir Bhutto said that she knew
Osama Bin Laden was dead, this was before she was assasinated.
The former president of Pakistan says this,
runs for re-election, and is murdered.
Makes you wonder.
The mafia can find a man IN THE US in a month, unless he's in witness protection, in which case they've not found most of them ever and I know a few of those.
I'd rather release our nuclear arsenal upon our own nation before I'd want any mafia type rule this land!
But, YOU want to see blood and gore. DNA is insufficient. That means that photographs are insufficient. You just love the thought of blood and brain splattering about. So, if you want to see that, join the military, you'll get more than your fill.
I, for one, have saw enough blood and gore in my over 27 year military career. I highly resent you call our SEAL teams liars, their commanders liars and our national leaders liars. Indeed, were we face to face, you'd find out EXACTLY how good your dental plan is!
I prefer the U.S. Navy over the mafia. If the SEALs say they got him, that's good enough for me. Go Navy!
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Nice SPAM. That fight has been going on for three years. Tough cookie, there, huh?
I think the talk about concerns of reactions around the world from Muslim countries to images of Americans celebrating the news of Bin Laden's death are hogwash – let's all recall the celebrations around the world in many of those countries at the news of 9/11, with many Muslims celebrating in the streets at the news of the terrorist attack against the U.S., burning American flags & rejoicing in the death of innocents. Bin Laden was not innocent, & his death is a significant, meaningful event in the war on those who would bring death & terror to innocents because they lack the courage to bring that fight against trained military soldiers. Today is a great day for the United States & the free peoples of the world.
I really am at a point where I don't care what the "Arab Street" thinks. They hate us. They want to see us eliminated. They rejoice when innocent lives are lost through their muderous acts. So, I really don't care at all what they think. I'm also very tired of sending them money. You can't buy friends, and in the Arab world, you can't even rent them. Let's stop sending them billions of dollars and let them stand or fall on their own.
John, yep! They HATE us! They want us eliminated! That's why Saudi built us a base. That's why Qatar built us TWO bases. That's why Kuwait built a large base for us. Bahrain built a Naval base for us.
If you are tired of sending them money, stop buying gasoline. Walk. Ride a bike. Ride a horse. Grow your own food, as it is transported with gasoline or diesel.
Otherwise, STFU, you have zero clue about the REAL world. But, what would *I* know? I've only BEEN to those places. I only spent nearly 5 years in the war zones. What would *I* know?
Wzrd1, John seems to have riled you. Take care, anger can often lead us into a battle of wits with unarmed persons, and John seems to be distinctly unarmed in the wits category. Don't let the lunatics raise your blood pressure.
I dont know John,
I remember seeing candlelight vigils from Iranians, Jordanians, Isrealis
The Turks, Iraqi's, Saudi's, Eqyptians,......
guess they dont all hate us, huh ???
@John!
Great point…let’s them resolve their life, and start focusing on America…I think here in America its way too much concern about what the Muslims think….enough is enough…if something is said against that stu$%d religion they all complain, how about when you travel to one of their countries, you have no rights, period…they can do all they want but we have to respect their belief, give me a break….
It’s so horrible that these days in America we cannot even say that we are celebrating Christmas because we may insult people from other religions because they do not celebrate Christmas, so we have to say, happy holidays…that’s B.S…this is America and we always celebrate Christmas! (Just an example)
To all of you Muslims, if you live in America you better adapt, because if we go to your countries, we have no choice but do what they say we have to do….so, let’s play even…
Absolutely no one can argue that Pakistan didn't know of Bin Laden's whereabouts or where sheltering him since his fortified compound was next to a police academy and a mile from Army headquarters.
Bush's own words were "if you harbor a terrorist you yourself are a terrorist'
What is Obama going to do about this?
If they continue pouring aid into Pakistan then this is blatantly morally wrong–were supporting terrorists against our own troops!
Think about that!
Actually, it's a military academy that is nearby and a headquarters base. So, those cadets and military search every house in the area? They kick in the gates of a mansion? THAT would be positively brilliant! Get the wealthy and powerful angry with the government!
Meanwhile, the tribal areas in the mountains are restive, as usual. Yep! Why NOT turn their entire society upside down! Then the militants could take over the government and the Pakistani nuclear missiles!
Wow! You sure can come up with some brilliant notions! We'd have a nuclear war between Pakistan and India within 90 days, the fallout landing on our nation by 120 days!
Do you have any OTHER brilliant notions? I am making a do not do list, land war in China is always #1 on the list, this looks pretty close to #2.
I read your earlier comments on Pakistan. Not giving room for a guess- I am an Indian. I appreciate your and America's pragmatic polices for safeguarding your interests. But you need to read more from Indian-Pak media to understand the ground reality.The situation in Pakistan is not as simple as a Hollywood plot with civilized city people versus orthodox tribals. Its true that Pakistan's government is also facing significant threat from terrorists, but they are selectively discriminating different types of terrorism viz. anti american-antipak terrorists; anti shia terrorists; and anti india terrorists. While Pak goverment is fighting the first group, they are keeping a blind eye on the second group and actively supporting the third one. What irritate us Indians are the billion dollar backups given by U.S to Pakistan which is heavily diverted for the third cause. And keep in mind that anti indian terrorists are not at all different in their attitude towards America. Remember – you are spoon feeding those would be Bin Ladens. Best of luck.
And a last word- Gandhi tried his best to avoid India-pak partition- read history at your leisure.
dont get pissed man, i understand your pain, but you will get more
#8 when will we see the picture of Bin Laden's bullet riddled corpse?
Wow! DNA is now not good enough, huh? You want to see an exposed brain and blood.
And you call yourself civilized?!
Yeah Alex, why don't you bow to Obama and just believe.....lol. Aren't people supposed to question government, they are supposed to work for the people!
your wrong about idealogy not dying...The nazi movement was done the moment Hitler killed himself. Radicals may remain, but the platform they stood on no longer exists. Obama scored a goal, and won his second term. Trump will soon ask for proof of Osama's death certificate
But thats the issue. If radicals remain then the movement is not dead, merely weakened, it does not take too much for situations to swing the other way.
Look at the political situation in parts of Europe. Various far right wing parties are using fear of Islam to bolster their numbers. They may not call themselves Nazis these days but the ideology is still bubbling there, just awaiting its time again.
Question #8: Where is the proof?
I do not trust the president, as he seems to always be long on rhetoric and short on the facts!
I bet the real problem is that you just can't follow an intelligent conversation – get a dictionary and follow along
Well, then go find him yourself, and good luck with that.
efore we go out into the streets blindly shouting U.S.A.! Let’s consider why this is happening now, before we send in ground troops into Libya, as Obama's approval rating is in the dumps, as our nation's debt mounts, our dollar value drops, as the middle east erupts, Syria being a particular situation I pray we do not engage in militarily. I would love to see the body, see how decomposed it is to be able to accurately identify how long he has been dead. Why did the FBI claim him wanted for the bombing of the USS Cole and American Embassies but never officially declare him guilty of 9/11? How in the world did he escape across the border while surrounded in Tora Bora? Why did they release blatantly fake videos of him right before election time for Bush? And why does Donald Rumsfeld claim ignorance to the destruction of World Trade Center 7 on 9/11!?! live on air on the Mancow Muller show months ago? If Osama's death resulted in the U.S. finally leaving Afghanistan and Iraq for good, I would applaud it whether true or not, but, I believe this is simply propaganda to alleviate the doldrums our nation has been thrust into as our economy collapses and the wars rage on perpetually. It also secures the election for Obama most likely. Let see the proof. Lets see the photos.
If they produce photos,you think nobody will claim they are faked? Conspiracy theorists and Trump disciples will never give up trying to tarnish the President's administration.
Exactly how my friends and I feel about this stupid chanting of USA, USA on tv. Ridiculous.
To you, wakeup, and all the others requesting "photographic proof," that term is an oxymoron these days. Anything can be photoshopped, so what proof would a picture be? Plus, he took a bullet to the head, so perhaps there's not much left of his face? Anyway, if the Navy SEALs say they have DNA evidence and that they got him, that's good enough for me.
Bin Laden was a symbol. Bin Laden has been killed. Ergo symbols can be killed.
If Zawahiri was nervous before about being found, my guess is that he will spend more time finding new hiding places than planning new attacks. The little toad is a coward.
As information about this raid come out over the next few weeks, it will become clearer to the public that none of this would have been possible without Obama's leadership and his ultimate final order to commit. The success of the raid and the fact that it was well-planned enough to avoid any American casualties will all contribute to the way people perceive Obama's leadership. Also, the fact that Obama was smart enough not to inform Pakistani leadership about the raid will be a key factor in evaluating Obama's role in this operation.
Lets us NOT FORGET. If GW Bush/Chaney had not taken their eye off the ball and dragged us into war with Iraq this Terrorist would have been caught a long time ago. The Bush Administration was quick to draw up doomsday images of Mushroom Clouds, Yellow Cake, and Mobil Biological Weapons labs. That administration lined their pockets full of $$ and ran like their shirts were on fire. I for one give a lot of credit to the Obama administration for this and a LOT of other things.
You are looking at this all wrong. Bush & Co. had a plan to eradicate IRAN. We went into Afghanistan and occupied the country. We had a reason enough to go into Iraq and occupy that country. Full armies/navies/air forces and bases were set up for a long-term war in each country. None of it was done to take down that piece of SHIITE Sadam Hussien or the freakshow Taliban. They went in with the intent of surrounding IRAN and making a two-front full blown war again IRAN and taking them out once and for all. IRAN supports almost all of the terrorista round the world (Yemen, Somalia, Hezbollah, etc.)
Patience Fred, patience. Iran's day is coming.
Ok people, yes Bush was dead wrong about the WMDs. That doesn't mean he made it all up. The administration and the CIA believed that Sadaam had them, and so did the intelligence agencies of Britain, France, and Isreal. Don't forget, Sadaam did kick all the weapons inspectors out of the country for six years. As it turned out, he just putting on a show to scare Iran, and it did, but it also resulted in us invading. Funny how those things worked out.
And yes, lots of companies got major contracts for the rebuilding of Iraq. But most those companies had no ties to the administration. Some weren't even US operated. And while most of them turned a profit, most of the contracts weren't nearly as lucrative as they were made out to be. At one point Haliburton was getting 2% returns from their operation in Iraq, and actually sued to get out of their contract. It is also worth noting that the army still relies on contracters for everything ranging from laundry to fuel deliveries, yet you don't here alll those charges of war profiteering and cronyism anymore. I wonder what changed?
Well, what an incredbily cynical article....just what we needed after hearing some good news!!
Adam, please lead us blindly into another attack, won't you?
Eileen, have had anyone else tell you that you know everything or is that something you just tell yourself?
So,does this all mean that we went into Iraq for absolutlely nothing? That we always knew Bin Laden was in Pakistan??
Marcia:
His name is no longer bin Laden. He is now bin Eaten.
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD
Pretty much. W and his friends created fake connections between bin Laden and Hussain as an excuse to invade Iraq. W promised that he "would not rest" until OBL was captured or killed, then went off on vacation.
I think obama is a wonderful president a job well done sir
You, sir, are an idiot. People like you apparently voted him into office. He is the worst president this country has ever seen. Worse than Jimmy Carter who still won't die.
hooray for trolls, fred!
Obama, FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!!! Thank you Obama for doing in 2 years what the Republicons couldn't "mission accomplish!" in eight!
Besides you being a Racist bigot, Please explain how is all of those bad things you just called ou Derf (Fred in reverse, for the slow person)? I cant wait to see this.
I dont believe it it is a lie think about how corrupt our government has become and obama is just saying that so people would re elect him cause he did such a bad job he had to make it up
You are an idiot.
I think the Intelligence People found Bin Laden and made the entire plan to kill him on their own and told Obama at the last second so he wouldn't "F" it up by trying some diplomatic crap to get him out and into Guantanamo Bay. DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD.
Fred, do you have even an ounce of brain?
It’s becoming clear that Bin Laden was under the protection of the Pakistani military. He was killed, not in a cave along the tribal areas, but in a purpose built compound 130 miles from the Afghan border and just 30 miles north of the Capitol.
The Pakistani’s must be held to account for this!
I would hope that the senior officers involved in this be identified… arrested… and turned over to Interpol; as they knowingly harbored an international fugitive.
CK
Dear Sir..
You are wright.
Yep, Pak looks quite quilty. Clinton's job just got even harder.
Claude,
This blew my mind when i found this out, but its true.
The head of Pakistans Inteligence ageny has to be approved by the united States,
by treaty.
So it would not be too far fetched that......
If they knew where Bin Laden was.....
wouldnt we ?????
Yes, that would be going too far. And check your information about that treaty thing.
"All death culprits die."
Praise President Barak Obama. Finally, 1st Black President, finally killed Osama Bin Laden. Hey republicans, do you remember this famous leader's quote ""I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02"
I don't care for Bush much, but can you at least post real quotes? That is not a real quote despite you attaching a date to it. Bush never said that. Lets keep it honest buddy.
Sorry about that, try this buddy; http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/11/13_Laden.html and this one: http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushquotes/a/dumbbushquotes_2.htm that second link are the Top 50 GW Bush quotes and #19 pg 2 is that quote i tossed out there.
How about providing a primary source instead of a secondary one. Do you believe everything you read on the internet?
How about watching the video? Search Youtube for "Bush Laden don't care" and watch the man himself in the long version, starting at about the 1:40 mark.
Unfortunately Adam, I was not there to hear it directly, but had I been, I would've repeated with they did across seas. I would've launched my Puma's at him, the left and the right. But then agian, why waste $89.95 plus tax on that guy! on second thought, I'd use a paper airplane and sent it flying right into that nose!
Check out this video on YouTube:
Adam=the derp fool just now pwned! You gonna tell us that video is fake, too?
Adam,
Bush did say that, its on you tube
i just watched it.
It has also appeared on 3 different videos about 911.
And now look whos gone slient .. Adam.. speek up .. tell them your sorry
Just because they didn't play this quote on Fox news didn't mean he didn't say it. I saw it at the time. President Bush was responding to a question. In all fairness, it was in the context of finding him not being the main priority for the U.S. because we had other issues to deal with, but he DID say this.
Thats not fare because i m the big fan of laden and i like the way where he was walked over the world. I want to be as like as osama.
Obama did not kill Bin Laden. The army did along with special forces and Navy Seals.
After their Commander-InChief Obama told them to do it...
What "commander in chief"?
Did you expect him to helicopter in with the Seals and do it? When a Republican is president he's commander in chief, when a Democrat is president, he's NOT commander in chief? When your argument makes no sense, you just sound ignorant. By your logic President Obama can't blame Bush for anything because he's been in office for two years plus, yet he can't take credit for anything either? No wonder he mocks you people.
The speech that obama gave is pretty similar to the one bush gave when saddam was caught...in general context anyway. it's not like obama took credit for killing him...
Marcia, Marcia, Marcia............
The "Kill" order has to come from Obama.
Keep up, or get a new line.
PMS much marcia? idiot.
Question #8: Where is the proof?
It is interesting to cover evidence by burying it at sea so quickly. What is or isn’t there that should not be seen?
The growing global economies/continents are watching.
Add Question #8 – Why FBI Most Wanted list has OBL being sought with everything but 9/11 attacks? Only small print has general reference to 9/11, and only as an example. No wonder why US forces decided to kill OBL.
@Visionary
This may help answer your question.
Unocal (Oil company) wants to run gas & oil pipeline from Uzbekistan
thru Afghanistan, into Pakistan to ships to sell to China.
Taliban says no.
911 happens.
Bush demands Taliban turn over Bin Laden.
Taliban says, give proof and we will.
We have no proof, Blame Bin Laden anyway
invade Afghanistan and place "Karzai" in charge of government.
Karzai was on the baord of Unocal.
Pipeline is good to go, protected by US Troops
Haliburton builds pipeline.
The order to invade Afghanistan was sitting on Bush's desk waiting to be signed
the morning of 911, as Bush sat in that classroom.
911 was not about "Oil"
It was about who controlled the oil.
"PNAC" – Plan For A New American Century
Please read it (there are youtube vids)
everything that has happened, and is going to happen
has been pre-planned..............We are on schedule.
Dear Mr. Trump:
Further, if this story was not true, bin Eaten's buddies would be calling the U.S. liars, frauds, etc., sort of what the last president was like.
I personally think its more behind this. The fact they threw the body in the ocean so quickly doesn't seem right. If its true that he is dead all this does is piss off his followers and things are going to get far worse before they get any better.
All criminal organizations are destroyed from within their own dark enclosures.
I don't quite understand the chanting of USA, USA. Yes, we should all be relieved that he has been killed, but chanting USA USA, as if we won the SuperBowl doesn't seem quite right. As to when Osama Bin Laden's supportors in the world rejoiced in the streets when the attack on 911 occurred, their reaction was not cool at all.
Are the widows of 9/11 chanting USA, USA? No, as the killing of Osama provides them a great sense of relief, a sense of justice, but still doesn't bring back their loved ones.
It doesn't seem politically smart to boast that USA is #1. Isn't that why they attacked us in the 1st place? Aren't they complaining that Americans are not aware of the losses other countries have suffered? I wish there was more a focus on the victory for the World against Osama Bin Laden, not just America.
CNN needs to be careful about how they are covering this, as the world is watching. Please don't be politically irresponsible in the media that can incite more vicious attacks on the US.
I must agree... The death of Bin Laden is surly an important event, but all this jubilation seems a little inappropriate. This 'victory' is also a bit tainted by the extraordinarily amount of time in took the US to find him.
CK
Must you really be reminded of why bin Laden was a bad person? The American military/government finally found him and brought him to justice as best they could. People are understandably happy about this and I think a little patriotism is in order here. Your comparison of US citizens rejoicing at this bit of news to the rejoicing of terrorists and islamic fanatics to the murder of thousands of innocent people is, to put it nicely, poorly thought out and in incredibly bad taste.
Adam,
Killing of ANY people is not the time to rejoice. I don't disagree with patriotism, but chanting USA USA like a bunch of testosterone bumbling fraternity boys is a little overboard.
Do you think National Security would encourage us to chant USA USA? I doubt it.
Adam,
Killing of ANY people IS NOT A TIME for rejoicing. I don't disagree with patriotism, but chanting USA USA like a bunch of fraternity boys is a little overboard.
Do you think National Security would encourage us to chant USA USA? I doubt it.
Now is not the time for complacency.
Eileen,
Most of the country doesn't live their lives according to what the NSA wants them to do...I think you would pretty unique in that regard. You may not feel it is appropriate to celebrate over such a thing, but there are many more people who do and you really don't have firm ground to stand on and criticize or insult them for being happy about the death of a real jerk who completely changed the face of our society, government, and culture in a severely negative way. Chanting USA doesn't make you a drunken frat boy. Being a drunken frat boy makes you a drunken frat boy. Don't insult the intelligence and enthusiasm of people who want to enjoy this moment of justice brought to you by...yes, you've guessed it...the USA.
After reading your other posts, I get the feeling that on this particular subject, you seem to be fearful, cynical, idealistic and naive. I understand why you think its not so great to be chanting "USA", but I think you are mislead and are taking the situation far too seriously. If anyone is going to bomb the USA again, it will not be because they were chanting USA outside of the White House. It will be for a multitude or reasons ranging from an interventionist foreign policy to support for Israel, etc. I think you need to sit down and give more consideration to which battles you should be fighting, because denegrating people for being patriotic during a time when it is considered widely acceptable is a battle that you will never win.
You are an idiot. What they say about the people in San FranSICKO is obviously true.
Fred, I realize there are alot of idiot Americans in the US like you. That is why we were attacked. Are you from the Bible Belt?
I'd have to agree with Eileen in that I do find it a little strange that the crowds seem to resemble a Super Bowl victory party. But hey, it's a free country. Celebrate how you want.
I would really like to know about the persons that aided him in living there. We're they members of the military, intelligence, or some other branch of the Pakistani government. I would like to see them exposed and punished. In other words I would like to know if Pakistan was more of a help than a hindrance?
Obama already announced that he was running for reelection over 2 weeks ago and he will win again.
Did the U.S. allow any independent observers to view the body before they dumped it in the ocean?I really want to see the body of the worlds enemy. I don't know why the give the body away?that guy's not a Muslim.
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Go on mere man, about your personal buisiness until you meet your fate.
@Lenny Marshman..really ??? You must be an ignorant..to call a Former President of your country partners with a terrorist that killed thousands of people in your counrty and others. So this makes Obama a murderer for Ordeirng the killing of Osama?
why was bin laden buried at sea.... if we really got him.... an international community of witnesses should have been allowed to view his remains....for complete and unquestionable verification ....something smells fishy ....and it isn't him
will we ever see the pic of Osama bin Laden dead or no?
If folks can't see through this charade, there is no hope for this world, our country, and people in general. Bin Laden's been dead.
who is this binladen guy?
give it time... someone will photoshop a pic.
dont think anyone with 2 bullets in his head is really recognizable....
"Good mourning all criminals, foreign and domestic."
Congrats to Obama, the US military, and those who made it happen. Thanks for doing what Bush should have done.
er, thanks for doing what Clinton should have done.
Clinton tried but the GOP tied his hands and accused him of trying to "wag the dog".
Thank you Obama for cleaning up Reagan's mess.
@Gary
Clinton passed the information on to Bush
who either ignored it, or surpressed it.
(*** see Minnasota FBI Bureau)
(*** Memo from Bush ordering FBI to back off investigation Bin Laden & family)
A taxidermist should have been called in.
That's a great idea. Stuff his a## full of bombs and blow him up in the middle of Mecca when all the Muslin loonies come to praise him..
trolls for life fred!
Just curious why he was buried at sea before most of us even knew about this? I'm not suggesting parade him around as if he's an exhibit, but it would be nice to have proof other than 'We got em, then we dumped him in the sea... trust us."
They buried him at sea so his burial place would not be a shrine to our enemies to worship at. The less he's a maryter........
*martyr* whoops, typo...
I am more worried about what the politicians are doing to the working man than I am about what the Seal's did with the body
worry about why specultors are making millions off of not actually even buying oil that has a 90 day delivery time and yet we are paying 4 dollar a gallon gas.now!
I am so proud of the men who endangered their lives with this mission. They deserve full credit for this accomplishment. This should have nothing to do with politics. It saddens me that it becomes immediate political propaganda with misdirected credit for those who's only risk was embarrassment. I wish Americans would unite, thank these wonderful brave men and take a day off on the politics.
BIN LADEN, DEAD, MAY 1
ADOLF HITLER, DEAD, MAY 1
COOL !
Actually, Hitler committed suicide on April 30th
Ah. Since US Econonmy is going down very badly, Mr. President is in a situation to bring the war troops back home. He cannot bring the troop just like that to slip his rating one more step down. He and CIA planned this story nicely with help of good hollywood directors and writers. Well done.
Why they threw the body into the sea before releasing the photos to media?
Hope we are not teasing the 9-11 victims again.
@O'mama.
Obama cannot bring the troops home. The unemployment rate will skyrocket and he will get such bad press he will not get re-elected. There are over 500,000 soldiers and private contractors working on the wars.
haha ...hey fred, do the over 500k troops and contractors all get fired from the military when they return to the USA?
I agree, Fred. Our wonderful veterans already here cannot find jobs. Very, very sad. I so wish they could all come home and given good paying jobs working on infrastructure.
Go on mere man, in your vain folly and follow your darkened selfish heart to your own destruction.
I hope this proves to all that it doesnt matter who you are ,how much money you have or where you hide,if we want you we will get you no matter how long it takes or how much moeny it takes.God bless all the men and women in our armed forces, I salute you
I hope he really cried like a baby when all hell broke lose in his home. I would have urinated on his corps afterwards. We dont need a shrine to him to be set up either, so I have no problem with the meat bag being dropped into the drink. I am, however really interested in seeing the photos although it will be several more hours or even a few days before photos are released. I am stuned however that the DNA testsing was so quick. I would have thought a few days at least.
Hamas seems to be the only ones calling foul, I couldn't care less what they say.
The strike that took 40 min was undoughtfully mostly a search for intell.
May those whom lost family and friends find comfort that he is dead. And may the people of the world realize that total controle over any people is an illiusion. Freedom of the people and rule by the people is the only way to find true happiness. Dictators are terrorist and they too will find the same cold end to their rule.
I am happy that bin Laden was found. I wonder why the body was disposed of so quickly. Why his family was not asked if they wanted it? and now we have a son asking for the body. A son who did not follow his father's ideals, but a father is a father. I am wondering how the Americans can find fault with the Palestinians dancing in the streets previously and then they rejoice and its acceptable when they do it themselves. Do people really think we are safer with this event? There are alot of village idiots out there to imitate, may we all remain safe.
Enough politic and do the work you were hired for (better economy and stability). Nothing was done only going worse
Why should we give a rat's a** about what Obama's family wants? I'm sure they were very concerned about what the families of the 9/11 victims wanted.
That should have read "bin Laden's family." not "Obama's family." Sorry for the typo.
Although I have no love for Obama, I commend him for staying the course set by Bush and ridding the world of this bearded menace.
@ Oldgoat
Saidi Arabia turns off them oil spigotts
this whole planet goes into a massive recession.
Something to think about, NO ???
Thank God the #1 Village Idiot is back in Crawford Texas
Mere megar man. have you washed your ass whole lately ?
The most important question, what Obama was doing 3 years in the office? The economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse, the economy is worse. NO OBAMA for 2012
What rock have you been living under...What rock have you been living under...What rock have you been living under...What rock have you been living under...What rock have you been living under...What rock have you been living under...What rock have you been living under...What rock have you been living under...What rock have you been living under...the stock market is higher than it has ever been. Go read FOX news...
Your right and the most corrupt organization in the world.
Digging us out of an 8 year hole with a real tiny shovel. Digging us out of an 8 year hoe with a real tiny shovel. Digging us out of an 8 year hole with a real tiny shovel. Digging us out of an 8 year hole with a real tiny shovel. Digging us out of an 8 year hole with a real tiny shovel. Digging us out of an 8 year hole with a real tiny shovel. Digging us out of an 8 year hole with a real tiny shovel. Digging us out of an 8 year hole with a real tiny shovel.
I can not believe the amount of doubt many Americans have with Obama and his administration. Can we not just be Red Blooded Americans and join in the celebration of the death of a man responsible for countless heartaches. There will always be those who act out in his name but the foundation of the group has been destroyed. Pictures?? Pictures do not stop conspiracy theories, wasn't there a conspiracy stating that Osama had look alikes in case of,situations like these. What would pictures prove then? Conspiracy theorist live and prey on individuals weak enough to listen to their propaganda. And another thing, yes he did mention "I" a lot, but he is the "Commander in Chief". Had he done nothing his name would be the first name out of many people's mouth. His job is not to be liked but to protect the constitution and the rights of the citizens of the US, as well as committments around the world. It is,ignorant to,think that his job is easy, calling on the operation cou,d,have resulted in more American Casualties, fortunately enough, with his help, along with intelligence, and military cooperation the operation was a success. Obama has a lot to do with any military action or operation. It's just really upsetting my that our president is always under the microscope when we have no idea what his job really entails.
It seems as if the SEALs executed Osama. He wasn't killed during the firefight, as there are no other bullet wounds to his body except through his head (temple). This is consistent with Osama being captured, made to kneel down, and shot execution style through the side of the head.
OK by me either way...dead is dead and that's all that matters.
Troy, the photo you are seeing is not actual. I have not seen any real authenticated photos.
Their orders were "capture or kill". If he wouldn't surrender, of course they killed him.
@EA We can't JUST be happy that bin Laden is gone because Bush and Cheney did this country a lot more harm than bin Laden ever even dreamed of doing!!!
when are we getting bombed
So bin laden was living 50 miles away from the capital in a hudge compound for about 5 years they said? I dont know about you but if i seen a big mansion in the middle of no where with big barbed wire fences around it thtd be just a lil suspicious. We coulda got him sooner i think.
..and the price of oil is ALREADY rising
Islamic tradition demands their dead be buried within 24 hours. Needless to say, several pictures, blood samples, tissue samples and so forth were taken of Bin Ladin before he was dumped at sea. They dumped him so his body could never be found. It was a brilliant move, but I'm concerned that the US condemned the execution of a non-combatant. Osama wasn't killed during the firefight, he was killed execution style after he was captured.
He would've been hanged by Afghan law and the trial would've been a show, anyway. Better to off him and ditch him in to the sharks right away so his followers have nothing much but a memory to rally around.
Yeeee, hawww . . . too bad they didn't capture and torture him for a few years and post his ravaged body periodically on Paki / Afghanistan TV, then drag him throught he streets, and hang is corpose at Twin Towers location. Burn in hell, you rotten SOB - what goes around, comes around . . . I smile when I think about your eternity.
I enjoyed the wedding a whole bunch but, to tell the truth, it was getting kinda boring. I'm so happy that there is something else to read about now.
And the # 8 question: Where is his death certificate (long form), grades, vaccination records and birth certificate? LOL
Let's get one thing completely straight here...the fact that you do not believe someone else is YOUR problem, not the others. A Dr. told me I had arthritis in my elbow 3 years ago, I go to get another steroid shot a month ago and the Dr. said I don't have arthritis after looking at the X-rays. Does this mean I should never trust a Dr. again? If you cannot bring yourself to trust a government, the same government our forefathers fought to create, the same government that allows us to be free, the same government that helps billions of people worldwide...then that is YOUR problem. Don't go around spreading your negativity and nutjob logic. First of all, if Osama never releases another video does that mean in your head that he made a deal with our government to stay out of sight just so we can claim him to be dead? Secondly, your negativity towards our country causes far more damage than Osama ever could; Osama killed people to spread discord, and you are doing the exact same thing except you are helping to kill this country's positivity which can have a far greater and longer impact than anything Osama did.
Could not have said it any better.
I bet Elvis could tell us the truth about it. He was there and saw it all.
I bet your mom is addicted to crack
A little inconsistent, are we? "Al Qaeda long ago ceased to be a centralized operation. " and "(Obama) has always justified the war in Afghanistan in terms of defeating and dismantling al Qaeda, and he can say that with bin Laden’s death that goal has been achieved." And all in the same breath!
How can you bury someone at sea within 24 hours of his death (muslim law) if you killed him a week ago?
I think his death is a hoax... His death picture looks photo shopped.. How can a single gun shot to the head make his gave look like he died in an explosion..... Either.he got tourcherd or its fake... Now they are saying his body was buried out in sea... Its bs....
Franklin, that photo is fake,I saw it and" the government" said it was not actual . Look for dead photos bin laden, Im with you, where is the evidence and look how fast on a Sunday night, Dna results, burial, come on man!,
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE OF DEATH? WHY SO QUICK TO GET RID OF THE BODY? PROVIDE AMERICA WITH GOOD CLEAN EVIDENCE? NOT DRAMATIC JOURNALISM, WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?
@ Randy, I am with you...show me the proof!
I say that the supposedly swift discarding of bin Laden's sorry corpse at sea is poppycock. We need to see the proof of this historical event. After all, the bullet-riddled remains of Bonney and Clyde or the propped up corpse of the infamous Baron von Richthofen were displayed in famous photographs so that all the world could view the evidence of their removal from society. The global viewing of bin Laden's corpse is just as crucial to the memory of his notorious existence and to the preservation of history and journalistic accountability.
Osama bin Laden is dead. We have a sense of triumph and unity, but that will be extremely short-lived. The current divide between Republicans and Democrats exists solely due to fringe politics, not mere ethical debates. Each time one side pulls farther from the center, the other side knee-jerks and pulls away as well, leaving the American people stranded in the middle of a national tug-of-war no one can win.
The death of Osama bin Laden is an event, no more or less than the capture and death of Saddam Hussein was. At this point it isn’t a game changer. What Obama has managed to do, however, was what Bush promised but failed. HOURS after 9/11 Bush looked to the American people and said “We know who did this. It was Osama bin Laden, and he is our topmost priority. We will bringing him in, dead or alive” only to then later say “We don’t know where bin Laden is. Frankly, we’re not that interested in him.” As he then attacked Iraq.
Obama accomplished in less than a single term what Bush was either incapable or doing or uninterested in doing in hid full two terms.
But will that matter come 2012? Not unless Obama can get some grapple on the economy, which the Republicans are disallowing him to do, so…. not really. The GOP will downplay this very soon and begin the rhetoric all over again.
Expect it to get nasty during the primaries.
because of this, I seriously doubt we will be able to leave Afghanistan anytime soon. Heck we may end up in Yemen....this is just going to inflame those who are still a part of Al Qeda....its far from over
He is not dead look at his picture its photo shop..... A gun shoot to the head would not make your face look like that... It los like he got tourcherd.... And note they are saying his body was buried out at seas.... Its a hoax or maybe he was limited along time ago.... By tourchering him
Another question, who gets the $25,000,000 reward?
Well,if you MUST know...I did it. I will take a check BTW...or a direct deposit.
Bush gave a mission accomplished speech on may 1st 2003 and won reelection shortly after. Obama said osama died exactly 8 years later. Thats a little too suspicious to me, either they knew he was dead for a long time and chose when to announce it or his death is bullshit...whatever it takes for him to win reelection I guess.
Yes we can? No u didn't so u have to pick the right time to announce Obamas death so u have a chance at re-election.
In reference to your name.. Obama Biden is a few letter switcharoos from Osama Bin Laden
Wow, this is one thing Obama did that Bush couldn't do!
Don't forget about protecting America from terrorists. Obama did, W did NOT.
We've given Pakistan BILLIONS so they can give safe harbor to Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda???!!!! Don't make the mistake George W. Cokehead made- just nuke Islamabad and be DONE with these people. The ISI needs to be wiped out and stripped of their weapons. The danger is Pakistan; not Karzai's Drug Emporium and used RPG lot. Bug OUT!!!
Where are the photos? Are we just supposed to believe this because they say so? Oh.. it's all good they have DNA evidence.. Nothing to see here folks.. just DNA evidence rest assure we got him.. Just like the photos and evidence of the "plane" that struck the Pentagon.. Gov told it was a plane didn't provide any crediable evidence.. Hell we're all just sheeple right?
Not sure about the pentagon issue-but it sure is odd that with a $25,000,000 reward on his head,and being trained by the CIA to fight the former USSR in Afghanistan,I find it odd there is no physical evidence to prove to the world he is really dead!
Don't our lost loved ones deserve to really see his body and DNA results-and -strictly speaking if we are above acts of terrorism-and so compassionate-why did we not return his body to his family?
Why not show his remains,photograph him,publish the images so the world could see and make up their own minds? Because its a cover up! They probably retired him to some isolated island somewhere else.Buried at Sea? BS! Maybe dropped off onto a waiting sub to take him somewhere else and debrief him or if still alive torture him for more data if in fact he really went rouge to begin with. Why kill him? He knows who everyone in his army is? You dont kill the one with all the strings-you keep him alive to get data from him.
I dont blindly believe this like so many here who jump for joy..Wake up folks!
Finaly they caught the guy blamed for 911,now if we could get those pesky bushes and cheney lmao
After reading all the comments – there is always going to be someone who is not happy with the government and there will be the ones who are. I ,however, am happy they killed this evil excuse for a human being and we are done with that chapter and brought comfort and closure to the families and victims of 9/11. There are always going to be some who hate the government and there will always be conspiracy theories. I do believe this event happened and I think a DNA test is sufficient enough – like others said, the photos can definitely be photo-shopped. Just sounds like we will still not be happy no matter what the government does or does not do.
To still call Pakistan an ally/partner is a slap in the face for all Americans. Clearly this was a US only operation as our guys feared that if the Pakistani establishment would have been brought in to confidence Bin Laden would have been notified and fled for sure. The fact that a person who was responsible for the worst attack on our soil and spilling so much blood was living in relative luxury in a Pakistani military town tells me he had protection from the Pakistani goverment, military and intelligence.
kevin the only thing smelly fishy is your ignorant right wing consipercy bullshit along with your low thinking stupid birther thoughts & the equally stupid said by some tea bagger trash named maria. I celebrated in ft of the White House last night & went thru hell as a Fireman at the Pentagon on Sept 11 followed by 2 days of digging at ground 0. God Praise the Military, US intell. & Pres Obama along with all Americans ,lol even Tea Party members.
Obama overhauled the military's head leadership, completed a successfull surge to turn the war and accomplished the target. Folks want to credit Bush for this victory. Impossible. The military never found the weopons of mass destruction or Bin Laden under Bush's leadership.Troops are returning home slowly but surely. My own military family members and I celebrate this great victory. It was at a great sacrifice. If folks could just accept that this man, who happens to be of color- highly educated at one of the top schools in our country. Expereinced as a community leader and senator, a father, husband, and family man and honorable person and stop trying to attack his character we would be better off. People act like it is outrageous that a person of color be so education, charasmatic, and capable of such leadership. Incredulous. Stop trying to paint him as un-American. Stop with the racists slurs, bigorty, and hatred. We would then be able to focus on what's important: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. This President by in his own right is a Rich man but he is concerned about the least of these. PEOPLE NEED HEALTH CARE- OBAMA GAVE IT TO THEM- SENIORS NEED ASSSITANCE- OBAMA IS TRYIN TO PROTECT THAT-PEOPLE NEED JOBS- OBAMB IS WORKING TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY AND GROW BUSINESS IN AMERICA. ALL WHILE FIGHTING HATRED, RACISM, AND OUTRIGHT DISRESPECT. If you have never been unemployed, without healthcare, or a senior who can't afford medicine perhaps you can't understand why these three things among others are so important. This country can't afford to forget the poor. America is where the poor came to have a better opportunity. Where the slaves-not just those here, but the indentured servants were able to finally get a new start. It was the poor who built American. President Obama: RESPECT HIM. RESPRECT THE OFFICE. RESPECT AMERICA.
Why isn't the Donald taking credit for this?
I'm sorry-but I don't buy into this at all.Burying him at sea smells like a cover up.Why not allow the world to actually see his body? We all know the CIA trained him-why should we believe he is now really dead? Perhaps it was staged? Where are all the other bodies?
We have had a bomb threat already this morning in PA. We live amongst terrorist that see our ever move and some will react more quickly than others. Even though there may be a victory, the war is not over and our guards should be up at all times. I still wonder is this is something that should be celebrated so publicly. fuel to the fire...
I believe many of us are feeling this way and I wish that was being put out in the media more.
The media is controlled by the government... they feed you what they want you to know unless you use your own brain. "I will believe what the box tells me"
I dont think obama deserves any credit at all. It was bush’s decision to send the troops to look for bin laden…obama basically told the troops to keep, doin what ur doin…he didn’t do anything to help with his death except keep the troops looking for him…if anyone deserves credit, it should be bush for sending the troops to look for him, and the troops themselves for actually killing him.
you're a F_cking retard
punch yourself in the face a$$hole
Sparky, is that a dogs name or something?
You have nothing of intellegence to say in response to what I said so you have to act like a child or something because u can't think of anything actually legitimate to say? How bout u get a brain and then come back...kthanks!
Sparky, you are right.
He is a "retard".
reload your history..Bush Sr,as director of the CIA authorized the CIA to train and fund bin Laden in the first place way back in the 1980s when the USSR invaded Afghanistan...so why would Bush Jr really want him captured..
Yep and all of those Bush/Cheney fans need to know that the Bush & BinLaden family's go way back. People really? Ya know I love my country but the government, well let's just say not so much. Cheney > Haliburton > Contracted to rebuild Iraq. Yeah ok
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
@ Obama is.....................
Happy birthday !
Heard you turned 3 today.
We will not be pulling out all of our troop! No way! If so then we are idiots because we will be looked at as the nation who starts and never finishes anything and this will never end! Bin Laden's death is not the end of Al Qaeda! They will continue and the government will continue to screw us! We will continue to divide our nation and world through racisim and greed!
You can't finish terrorism. Having ground troops everywhere isn't going to defend against it, just be really expensive. Fighting terrorism will continue, but it will exist in the realm of intelligence.
Now that Osama is dead (or is he?), can we follow the Ron Paul doctrine and mind our business?
He probably died from kidney failure and it was better to think up a story that would bring the people together and a politician a boost LOL this was what I heard at the docs office this morning
Just because they say he is dead doesn't mean it's over. This is only the beginning. The fanatics will be out in full force.
I have an another question:
Will it blend?
its really a world of do what I say, not what I do
Beware, there is always someone waiting to take his place! The world is a dangerous place; one terroist down and many more to come!....
yay?
Well ... nobody is going to challenge the authenticity of this, after the birth certificate debacle. Now, Obama could tell you the moon is made of green cheese, and if you disagreed, you'd be branded a fool, or a racist.
I don't give credit to the Obama administration for this. I give credit to the military. The same military Obama has opposed during his time in office. Both the military and our boder patrol has had to fight with their hands tied behind their backs under this president.
People should question news which could dramatically effect the world. WHY would bin Laden's body be disposed of at sea, when everybody would want undeniable proof that it was actually him, and that he was actually dead ??? Something is very fishy ???
I know the news of Osama Bin Laden struck the Bush's very very hard, my midlde finger goes out to them and I hope they pay their respects to Osama by taking a Bush/CheneyBirther Deep Sea Dive, sooooo deep that the sub implodes! Happy trails!
Damn now who is opec supposed 2 hire to get there dirty work done?
It is not that hard to believe that he could not be found for almost 10 years.
Look how hard it has been for the GOP to find just one person with a brain to run for President.
Old Testament rules keeps a mans testicles intact and our women horny and happy. Que viva el viejo testamento y nuestros testicles.
Enhanced Interrogation Techniques:
In the early 2000s, the Congressional Sub-committee on Intelligence drafted a set of procedures referred to as Enhanced Interrogation Techniques.
These were non-permanently scarring and non- third degree interrogation techniques to be used against members of Islamic terror groups, Jewish murder syndicates, and traitors within U.S intelligence community working for Islamic terror groups or Jewish murder syndicates, their state sponsors of terror, or the Islamic and Jewish cadres within the U.S and other Intelligence operating their own network against the U.S and other intelligence services.
The purpose of these techniques wasn’t for them to serve as punitive or deterrent measures, but to extract crucial information from Islamic terrorists and Jewish murderers that would save Caucasian, Asian, Latin, and African lives of Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, and Secular Islamic denominations by getting the specifics to pre-empt plots, attacks, conspiracies and murders, and to discover links within the Islamic terror and Jewish murder networks till they could be taken apart in whole, and as a result the human race could be saved from the menace that these Islamic terrorists and Jewish murderers happen to pose to the very survival of mankind.
In my opinion tying the suspects with ropes all the way from their feet to their hands, hanging them upside down, and immersing them in water (a process that would emulate drowning can make even the hardened suspects talk). The duration can be limited to just before a suspect passes out or to even after the suspect passes out but till he can still be revived with CPR.
Cellophane might be a better option for asphyxiation, as it would enable an easier monitoring of the vital signs of the suspects. In addition, the greater the asphyxiation, the more the cellophane sucked in, the more pronounced the asphyxiation, till the suspect is completely choked to a state whereby he’d be willing to confess.
These suspects can also be injected with Sodium Pentothal, and members of U.S intelligence agencies dressed as members of Islamic terror groups and Jewish murder syndicates or the state sponsors of Islamic terror and Jewish murder, posing as their comrades and commending them in vague terms for their bravery and ingenuity (since these would not have precise information of them even having indulged in a terror, murder, sabotage, or a subversive act) to make them perceive them as their comrades , and in turn to divulge vital information to them.. These U.S intelligence operatives posing as terrorists and murderers could help facilitate their escape and then track their movements till their entire networks have been unearthed. The same Intelligence agents posing as members of terror groups and murder syndicates could also engage them in conversations while bestowing praises on them, awarding them with huge sums of money, and either elating or insulting them to a level whereby they would reveal the acts y perpetrated or facilitated by them. This can, again, be very effective if the suspects who would be in a semi-conscious state can be engaged in an intelligently structured conversation, made to believe that the U.S agents are actually their comrades, and the process of intelligence extraction begun with a casual and indirect line of questioning. These U.S intelligence agents could then begin bestowing some mental and physical rewards on them as stimulants to have them indulge in a boastful or a deserving narration of their exploits or their facilitation of such exploits. This conversation can be of an entwining nature beyond the comprehension of their faculties till their entire networks have been unearthed. Everything can be checked and double-checked on the ground by Caucasian, Asian, Latin, and African linguists of Christian Buddhist, Hindu, and Secular Islamic origins thoroughly well-versed in the Islamic and Jewish languages, religions, sects, ideologies, interests, groups, modus-operandi peculiar to each group, the motivational factors for the different groups, folklores, myths, legends, beliefs, demeanors, mannerisms, attitudes, outlooks, approaches, behaviors, actions, reactions, likes, dislikes, and garbs etc.
All the Islamic and Jewish Cadres who’ve not be able to perform in terms of the discovery or apprehension of Islamic terror and Jewish murder suspects should similarly be subjected to these enhanced interrogation techniques to rule out their complicity in terror and murder, or to have them apprehended because these cadres could very well be the operators of Al- Qaeda and Taliban (As manifest in the personas of Osama Bin Laden and the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban leaders all of whom are likely to have been the Islamic cadres in Western intelligence from the days of the War against the Russians in Afghanistan, and who now we know are the members of terror groups that are likely to have been waging terror against the U.S for years) because the Pakistani, Saudi, and Afghan cadres are likely to have been operating Al-Qaida and Taliban since the days of the war against the Russians in Afghanistan, and most likely even through the Yugoslav wars, through the 90’s insurgencies in Egypt and Algeria, through 911 ( The perpetrators of these acts according to news reports were mostly Saudi nationals, trained in camps in Afghanistan by the Afghan cadres, facilitated into Afghanistan by the Pakistani cadres, granted visas with the approval of the cadres, and supposed to have been watched by the Islamic and Jewish cadres who instead are likely to have actually facilitated their indulgence in 911 by keeping the U.S intelligence in the dark regarding their travel plans and the fact that these had boarded the same planes. If news reports stating that 4000 Israeli didn’t show up for work on that day are also true, then the Israeli cadres watching them must’ve known about 911 but kept quiet to capitalize by using the attacks to catapult Israelis into positions of power in the aftermath of these attacks. You do realize that the more numerous the terror attacks, the greater the recruitment of the Islamic and Jewish cadres, the more enhanced their ability to conduct such acts with impunity, and the more complete their dominance of Western intelligence, law enforcement, media, policy, school, and financial organs till these Islamic and Jewish cadres have the entire American nation held hostage to their agenda and everyone virtually brainwashed with whatever is fed to them by these cadres), and even Afghanistan (perpetual treachery by the cadres there)and Iraq Saddam was secular, there were no Al-Qaida operatives in Iraq, so these could only have been injected into the region by the cadres from the region in collusion with the cadres from the bordering countries (to provide them with conduits), and the cadres from Afghanistan and Pakistan – the regions home to these groups ( to have provided them with access to these groups. Furthermore, even the Iraqi cadres are likely to have been recruited from amongst the Hamas and Hizbullah members previously recruited by Khomeini (as manifest in the persona of Moqtada Al-Sadr and his numerous lieutenants) against Saddam, who are likely to have later indulged in butchering spree of U.S soldiers These can be picked up by members of the U.S intelligence community posing as members of Islamic terror groups and Jewish murder syndicates, members of criminal groups, members of other fringe or radical groups, or members of other intelligence services.
Once the information has been extracted from them, U.S F-122, B-2, F-22, F-35, and maybe even MQ-9s can be scrambled to track or/and address Islamic terrorists and Jewish Murderers. In the meantime, KH-11s, Global Hawks, or even the F-122s can be used for surveillance and even strikes (Even KH-11/ cruise missile combos are effective) or to just keep track of them as teams from the Special Forces and Law Enforcement agencies are dispatched for their arrests and subsequent enhanced interrogations.
At the same time, cases can be prepared for the extradition of agents of Islamic state sponsors of terror and the Jewish state sponsor of murder along with the terrorists harbored by them through the Interpol, the U.N, or bilateral/multi-lateral arrangements with numerous nations , and these then tried in the International Court of Justice.
Non-compliance could invoke a U.N or a unilateral resolution for sanctions and war against these nations. Even simple complicity in these acts could invoke a unilateral or a U.N mandated war against these nations.
Congress, though, needs to begin working on the relevant legislation within the U.S, while the State Department could get to work on legislation within the U.N and on memoranda with numerous other nations on a bilateral/multilateral basis.
Our government can't even pass a budget.
Hey Jim Diamond
# 1 – EDIT !!!!!!!!
#2 – Isreali Mossad warned the FBI on several occassions about possible attacks
and was ignored.
On approval from Isreali government
Mossad then warned any Isreali companies doing business in the Towers.
They broke leases and moved out.
Seems the Isreali's took care of thiers
But we didnt take care of ours.
Youz guyz are a buncha nut jobs. Especially you "proud to be an American" psycho's.
Great now gas will be 26.50 tomorrow *rolls eyes*
How did the US personnel get in using helicopters about 30 miles north of the capital Islamabad, in a town with a major military base? And they did not bother to inform the Pakistani military. Was Pakistani military sleeping at night? Or do we now have stealth helicopters?
It is a bit hard to believe that they just sneaked in there and nobody noticed until they got to the compound, and the military garrison in the town just ignored a 40 minute fire fight???
Ok chris your obviously a smurff, dna being told to the media is like me telling you my book is gunna make you rich. 911 obviously was an inside job so I don't understand how bush is still alive after treason! Its obvious weather you guys believe it or not. Now there saying they dumped his body in the ocean! Wtf! He was the #1 wanted on the list and they already dumped his body!? I'm calling bs. Obama election is close just like bush's with sadam
This is ALL rediculous . Only one was even CLOSE to almost right ( & I am still putting pieces together ) . Yes they were partners ! Every educated person knows the Bush's & Ladins have BEEN in business , look it up sheeple ! This is ALL a distraction from what is REALLY a war on all of us . A war raged by elite bankers & corporations that are in bed w/ the Illuminati to CONTROL you and every Gov. We should instantly bring ALL our troops home to protect us from the global elite Bankers & Corporations that are selling you the " finacial " colapse of our and many Countries . Fake wars , Underplayed Radiation levels , man-made floods , Feds arresting Amish for " illegally selling Raw milk " .... Just to list A FEW things they are keeping your eyes & mind from realizing . WAKE the F UP sheeple or NONE of us have a chance . The Elite even are quoted as saying the only way to control the world is making the Muslim world and The religous Zionist .. destroy themselves !I pray for you all ( except you 2 initial Feds )
Take your meds
They buried the body at sea? Well that's handy. Frankly, I'm going to wait and see if we get another radio message from this guy, because the timing seems more than a bit cute. Consider this: the president had been drawing up plans to reduce forces in Afghanistan. However, to do so without achieving anything whatsoever is politically damning going into the 2012 elections. Now all of a sudden, just in time for the elections, we've managed to kill an enemy we haven't had much of a clue about for 10 years? Furthermore, an enemy who has been inaccurately reported dead several times before? Suddenly we have a justification for a withdraw with which even the conservatives will agree? I am more than a bit curious as to the rapidity with which Bin Laden's DNA identity was confirmed. I doubt the FBI labs could do it in less than a day without a sample provided by Bin Laden himself, and they have the best equipment on the planet. Frankly, I put no trust in this government or this president. If our troops actually managed to kill him, then of course I'm pleased; it was the only viable reason for being in Afghanistan in the first place. Had I been the president, I would sure have wanted to see the body of the man that has done this country so much harm; for that matte, I would have preferred to see Bin Laden's head on a stake on the Whitehouse south lawn. I wish I could take Obama's word for it, but given the other crap Obama has pulled, I'll just have to wait and see.
There very well could be a radio message. They probably pre-recorded messages for this case. They don't want the followers to know their leader is dead. The fact that you don't believe just shows you as a weak minded fool. Obama hasn't pulled any crap, but you listen to people who fabricate stories to make you angry at liberals. You don't verify, or if you do, you get your verification from blogs that don't have any fact, just stuff that confirms your own stupid notion. You are being played and made a fool of by these people. Instead of being angry at them, you are angry at Obama. Grow up.
You're an idiot. Let me give you an example of the crap that Obama has pulled, and I'll use small words, so you'll be sure to understand. How about the court briefs in support of virtually every Bush violation or end -around of the constitution. For example (and you can look it up, fool), there's one headed to the Supreme Court right now, based on a California case in which a tracking device was placed on a citizen's car, on the citizen's property, without any warrant whatsoever, and without evidence that a crime had been commited. The subject was then tracked to various locations where pot was being grown, and the resulting evidence was used to justify the device and to help convict the man in court. Yes, he was no doubt guilty. However, the troubling part of that change in policy is that it specifically flies in the face of your Constitutional protection from unreasonable search, and that's why it's headed to the Supreme Court. And guess who filed a friend of the court brief in favor of continuing that policy, and created the basis by which the appeals courts upheld the initial ruling? That's right, our friend Obama. How about another example? Let's see, when pushing his wildly unpopular health care package through congress, he actually said that the government could legally force people to buy insurance by comparing people to cars. People are not cars, sir, and if you think everything is always black and white, and that the government is your friend and protector, then you should be sterilized for the preservation of the species. The government had my dad go out and sit in a trench while they tested nuclear weapons, so don't tell me about trusting the government.
"Brian
Obama hasn't pulled any crap, but you listen to people who fabricate stories”
If I said I saw OBL at my local supermarket today, I have shown just as much proof as BHO has of the death on 01 May 2011.
Heck, did they have him 2 years ago and sit on it? Is he dead? Is he in custody and still alive? At the going rate for proof, the death of OBL is just as fabricated as him in the supermarket.
We have a home video, audio, and an autopsy and we have still JFK conspiracy theories.
Now we have no pictures, no video, no autopsy and no body. If it takes two years to produce a birth certificate, don’t expect the American people just to nod heads and walk away.
If you knew muslim culture you would know why he was put in the sea so soon.
Fine. But give us a photo of the body. I think we showed more respect than this man deserved by even observing hist native custom. But give us a photo of the body.
Muslim? And here we have all these Muslims in the U.S. telling us he’s not….
Repling to some of the comments:
Already this morning Fox & Friends attempted to deflect praise away from the Obama adminstration.
It took ten years to find bin Laden because Bush took a 90 degree turn into Iraq for no reason.
We saw the grusome pictures of 9/11, so let us see the grusome pictures of bin Laden.
Lastly, I always suspected bin Lade was living next door to GWB.
So now that Osama is dead, Whats the Plan? Get out of Afganistan? Get out of Iran? Not sure where this is going to take us? One thing for sure Obama needs to get serious about Boarder security and quit ignoring this extremely important topic. Mexico is easily breached and anyone can smuggle a dirty Nuke bomb over.
@ Machismo
How we doing in Iran ?
Hope we are winning.
As usual! President NObama is trying to get credit for something where the accolades should go to President Bush. However, this should come as no surprise. He is behind on most polls and he needs every bit of support he can muster.
This clueless president needs to stop campaigning full-time and really pay attention to the issues affecting our county. Americans can be fooled some of the time, but notALL the time. Maybe just then Americans will start to give him the respect that the office of the President of the US merits.
Also, regarding the birther issue, documents can and are often falsified. And since it took so long for him to produce his "original" birth certificate, people have legitimate concerns about his birth issues.
YES, I am a life-long Democrat!
On I didn't know Bush was still President.
Bush had his chance to get Osama but let him go because Halliburton told him it was too soon and they still needed to rob the American taxpayers of more billions.
It is amazing that after all this country has been through that you still think it is about your political view.
President Obama is a man of stature. He is intelligent and has a Loving and Kind spirit. Jerry you don’t’ have to be democrat or republican to see the truth. If we do not stand together as nation of all people we all we fail. ALL OF US. I have voted for Clinton, bush and Reagan in my life time and I tell you the truth NOT A ONE OF THEM COMPARES TO THIS PRESIDENT. OBAMA is our president and for the record I am voting again for MY PRESIDENT! What an awesome man of God.
Jerry,
If you are a life long Democrat,
please switch sides, i wont mind.
I think we can do fine, without you.
Ok so Osama is dead now. What about the people that really brought down the towers? Because there is ample proof that was an inside job. Probably the same people behind JFK and RFK's deaths.
You make atheists look like morons. Stop. Go to college, learn something about 'collusion', 'game theory' and statistics. This insight may answer your asinine beliefs.
@ Thereisnogod
Something to google/you tube
George H. Bush was in the CIA, and also in Dallas
the day Kennedy was killed.
I'm certain that they didn't time this operation based on any reason other than their ability to execute it. To do otherwise would have risked success. However, I find the timing of the release of the birth certificate to be at least mildly suspicious. They would have known about the operation when they green-lighted the release. While this does not take anything away from the success of the mission or change the fact that Obama is a native-born citizen of the US, it does increase my cynicism about anything political.
Barrack Obama's birth certificate was released after Donald Trump began to loudly criticize the legitimacy of the President's birthplace, (as do others.) There was no "timing" involved. It was an answer in the press to belay the "Donald's" propaganda campaign. So the certificate was produced and he is a U.S. citizen.
As a footnote: Do, or do we not, ask to see someone's proof of birth BEFORE they are allowed to hold office?
I have a few questions of my own. First and foremost, how do we know for certain that the dead guy is who whe say he is? Are we going to take the word of a government that is and has been filled with people who make their living with false promises, disinformation, misinformation and flat out lies? Not me. Why was he buried at sea so quickly? How was he positively identified so rapidly, when it takes so long to do the same procedure in any other venue? This alleged event seems to be awfully well timed, considering the slippage in presidential ratings, the gitmo issue, the birther debate, and all the other negative things popping up in the press of late regarding our esteemed leader. Remember, folks, a governing body is only as trustworthy as the officials running it. The politician who says "trust me" usually means "screw you.." ask any new york native. Stop being sheep, america.
TEN YEARS TO FIND THE GUY, AND THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS???!!! QUESTION 1: WHERE IS THE BODY (US GET THE MAN AND THROW HIM IN THE OCEAN, LESS THAN 24HRS AFTER HE'S KILLED?), QUESTION 2: WHEN AND WHERE HE WAS ACTUALLY KILLED?
I always knew at one point or another he was going to die, whether it from a person, or by kidney failure. I am glad to see that it was delivered by a person, as a form of justice rather than simply die without punishment after all his crimes. So while I am happy in this, I also know that like all evils, once you take one out, another tends to rise in it's place Its a never-ending pattern, so my only wonder is who will be next. One of his kids? His second in command?
Probably another rich Saudi.
Osama Bin Laden has a total of 20 sons and daughters from 5 wives over the years. One of which, a son, was killed at the same time he was killed.
No body? How convenient. Lies, all lies!
I am with you on this one. I thought it suspicious that the best intelligence agencies in the World could not find him for many years. Hmmmm
Holy father cappodono,i think they recieved the message. GOOD GRIEF.
Another win for Obama.
Need to see the body. Understand the respect issue and desire to be "above it", but we need to see that he is dead. Period. Give us that, please.
World peace will come when Muslims convert to Christianity, preferably to any of the old Middle Eastern Christian Churches which share the same language and culture as Muslims but their ethical and moral standards are much higher and without the hatred, violence, terrorism, resentment & discrimination as Islam. This ideology is capable of transforming an ordinary person into an irrational beast and the Islamic clerics are the main instigators of all these violent actions.
World peace will come when religion stops dominating the masses.
World Peace will come when there are no more religions.
^^ This!
Question number 7 is bothersome to me.Can we as Americans,for a while,stop wondering what the extreme right and the extreme left has to say or think.How about just being an extreme American.God bless America.
Hey moron, learn your history (simply read a little bit). It WAS President Bush that initiated the hunt for Bin Laden. Any intelligent bloke knows that!
But Bush totally dropped the ball and dismissed Bin Laden as a low priority. Watch the video above as proof of this dismissal. Then he started an illigitimate war in Iraq based on lies that dragged on for years, cost thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. That's worse than anything Obama, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan and Carter did-combined.
@ Jerry
It was Bush that allowed 911 to happen
and with NO proof blamed Bin Laden for it.
When the Soviet Union fell, the Neo-Cons
had to find another boogy man to keep us scared
and to keep paying for thier wars.
This is perfect because they can lie about a "cell" popping up
in any country they feel like invading.
To all those who think that Obama doesn't deserve any credit, who do you think would've gotten all the blame had this little ops mission failed? Uh-huh, that's right. Those of us old enough to remember Jimmy Carter sure remember who took all the blame for the failed rescue mission, not to mention all the back patting going around when we stormed the beaches of Grenada. The fact of the matter is that this Commander-In-Chief accomplished what the last one couldn't. Of course, the last one was never really trying.....
Oh, I'd say he was trying. He was very trying to his teachers, his dad, and everyone else that tried to point out the relative locations of Iraq and Afghanistan to him on a map.
Enough with all of these conspiracy theories about how Bin Laden isn’t dead and how come there are no photographs and why was he buried at sea so soon. Doesn’t anyone get the big picture? Osama is Obama and Obama is Osama. It was Osama’s birth certificate. I know this for a fact because I believe it and I’ve watched all of M. Night Shyamalan’s movies. Get your heads out of the ground, people. And if you think Hitler is dead, I’ve got a story for you . . .
OBL Fairy Tale Story – I'm so surprised people are buying these lies. Disgusting !
A bunch of sleuths we have here! Big whoop – the guy's dead, or at least the government says he is. Do you feel any safer today than you did yesterday? Remember when we all celebrated Saddam's death a few years ago? I may not be in the know, but I haven't really seen much change since that milestone.
Why don't you all stop asking these petty questions and start educating yourselves on world issues. Al Qaeda isn't the only thing we have to worry about!
And a sidenote since I'm SURE this will come at me...Thank God none of our troops were injured or killed. I am a full supporter of the US Armed Forces and all of the soldiers that are family members and friends of mine. This is in no way a message of anti-armed forces. So get off of that soapbox.
All you nerds that doubt this happened go jump off a cliff.Nobody gives two #uckes what you think
if you say so!, Mike!
Hitler like sallute, Mike.
Hmmm buried at sea eh? Has anyone looked at a map of where Abbottabad is? Which sea exactly could they have buried him in in such a short space of time to abide by Islamic burial laws?
I'm not a conspiracist, just pointing out a mere observation
Hello Nick....
There is this water
its south of Pakistan
its called the Arabian Sea
We have these things called.....Helly Copters
i hear they fly real fast.....
VVVrrrooooommmmmm.
Gives meaning to "You can run, but you can't hide"
Well, that's a matter of opinion. He ran and hid for a decade.
Please. Just show me the body of Bin Laden. The problem is that people believe everything without questioning anything. The lies continue as well as weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Wake up people.
GEE, I wonder why the Pakistanis weren't notified ahead of time? BECAUSE they were the ones who let Binney boy get away in the first place and on top of that, they hid the scum bag basically right inside a military compound. Tell me who do you trust now!!!! I say NUKE Pakistan and you'll get the rest of them for sure – War over plain and simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I heard they waited more than 24 hours to dump the scum bags body (sounds like pollution to me) in the ocean (or did they?) with a ham hock shoved down his throat and to chum the waters for shark disposal. What will the muslim community say about Binny boys demise....huh..huh. Probably nothing cause they all worshiped the dog secretly.
You sir, are a moron, and a large contribution to those who love to see the world at constant war.
One year from now, I will ask why the mansion is still standing in in Abbottsbad, Pakistan.
Why waste a perfectly good building built on Bin Laden's dime? Tear down the walls, clean it up, turn it into a school, hospital, public center, etc.
he was fucking when killed
Lots of people are celebrating, and that's fine. Here's the truth, though: Bin Laden was a poster boy. Yes, at one time he was the brains of the outfit and the money bags. After 9/11 he began the boogyman. In reality, there are several men who are far more dangerous and are waiting to take his place. The organization will continue on as it had before, and we are no safer today than we were yesterday. In fact, I would be shocked if there wasn't a major retaliation.
Has anyone asked the question as to why Osama Bin Laden's body was buried at sea without anyone in the media seeing the actual body or any pictures released to the American public as in the case of Saddam Hussein? Why would anyone believe that Osama Bin Laden is dead without verification other than the military who have been know to fabricate and lie about what goes on in the war arena. Buring his body at sea will undoubtedly cause questions as to why this was done so quickly. What proof do we have other than the military telling us it is so. They have lied and made up things before.
Doesn't anyone realize that this question will be around forever, like Obama's birth certificate or the death of Elvis. Why would the government get rid of his body without the media being able to verify that he is infact dead like Saddam Hussein?
I can't believe that not one reporter has the sense to ask this question.
they took-R-jobz!!
Now with all of that Trump crap, it wasn't the Trump who made Obama to show his certificate, I think that Obama showed his birth certificate because he knew what was about to happen, ones the birth thing is out of the way people finally can concentrate on his achievements. He learned how badly Republicans screwed his first achievement the Health Care. Republicans right now have no time to still the thunder, but I am sure its going to happen tomorrow.
Shouldn't we be out of Afghanistan. If a handful of individuals from one country attacked us should we go to war with the whole country? It would be like someone attacking the US because 10 Americans from some organization attacked another country. The attackers are dead and now their leader is dead, lets get out the country for already.
@ "J"
Most of the so-called hijackers where from Saudi Arabia
and at least 9 of them are still alive.
Easy to find information that just gets ignored.
You can kill a symbol if it's alive...
The difference between Obama & Osama is just the difference between replacing a 'b' with an 's'. !! Good riddance to oSama and Long Live oBama !! For those who like ANAGRAMS – Osama Laden stands for:
A Demon Alas !!!
Osama bin Laden stands for:
- A Bad Man En-Soil
- A Demon In A Slab (at Sea)
- A Demon In Balas'
- O' Bad Man Saline
- A Bad Omen Slain
What do YOU think ???
I can't believe some of the idiotic responses this article is recieving. First off, congrats to the Obama admin. and joint military efforts. We need to keep in mind that this celebration will be short lived. It is a victory for us, but fuel for extremists, and only insures that we will see further backlash. With that being said, any solid progression to cripple bin Laden's regime is welcomed as far as I'm concerned, and our focus at this point should be on following through with this concept. It is our duty as Americans to come together to see this through, and how to make it happen instead of tearing the left and right fabric of our nation apart at the seams.
Add your comment to the idiotic tally, thanks!!
Question #8: Will we ever find out the WHOLE truth about what happened to Bin Laden. Probably not.
This is an Obama ply to spike his approval numbers. He took it from the Trump handbook of media control. Dumped the body in the ocean? already? please! at least say it burnt up in the bombing. Expect terror activity in the next 6 months. This changes nothing. The liberal nutbags dancing in the street are all high on medical marijuana. Dont they work or have jobs?
Ain't you gots a job, Lawanda?
Lawanda, smoke iSh!t nstead, mon!
Lawanda, what the fucks up with your name?
Lawanda
Whats a "Ply" ?
Say whats Lawanda,
You talking girl, them dang Liberals
we gots to exterminate them virals
Befo they breed like tater chips.
For all those who have dumbass conspiracy theories or think that Osama was a CIA Informant (could you be any more ignorant) just STFU. Because this was not a victory for you if this is how you react. This is a victory for the families of 9/11 victims whose only sense of 'closure' was their loved ones 'ashes' to be scattered at ground zero. BURN IN HELL OSAMA!!! NO 72 Virgins for you!
I'm no conspiracy therorist, but Bin Laden was partly a monster of our making. It's true. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, the CIA trained and aided them to combat them. Its a fact, not a conspiracy therory. Our government doesn't like to mention this little factoid, but they cannot deny it. Read a history book sometime.
@ JJBLAZE
Tim Osman (aka Osama Bin Laden)
Was in fact funded and trained by the CIA.
Most of the world knows this.....
except you.
he was sucking my cock when he was killed, best blowjob ever ! it was only 10 dollars
id do it for 5 dollars, and ive been known to bite at times, actually bin laden learned his blowjob tecnique from me, and he got gooooooooood
Osama didnt do anything but be friends with bush, and fulfill the governments agenda, al queda doesnt exist, its a name of a US computer database, 9/11 wasnt done by terrorists, the only terrorists responsible wear $10,000 suits, and black ops, the men that wear camoflage and badges, proving that there murders.
joe
Osama didnt do anything but be friends with bush, and fulfill the governments agenda, al queda doesnt exist, its a name of a US computer database, 9/11 wasnt done by terrorists, the only terrorists responsible wear $10,000 suits, and black ops, the men that wear camoflage and badges, proving that there murders.
"PNAC" – Neo Cons.
Tri Lateral Group
World trade organization
Federal Reserve
Bilderburgs
Warburgs
Rothchilds................................Spiders in a large and hidden web.
Osama bin Laden was hiding in plain sight in Pakistan: in a town called Abbotabad just 30 miles from the Capital of Pakistan (Islamabad). This is akin to Baltimore to DC. The tow itself is an army base. Can you believe if Pkistan was not shielding bin Laden. The fact that USA carried out the operations to kill bin Laden without the knowledge of Pakistan itself tells a lot of story.
This exposes Pakistan more so now. Wake up America! It is not only ironic, it belies common sense that America continues to call Pakistan its ally! Pakistan is a terrorist country and hub of Islamic fundamentalism.
USA's next mission should be to eliminate Pakistan- a task India should have done!
Rumors: Sara Palin was in one of the helicopter and was shooting from the sky
Please stop attacking the president. People act like it is outrageous that a person of color be so education, charasmatic, and capable of such leadership. Incredulous. Stop trying to paint him as un-American. Stop with the racists slurs, bigorty, and hatred. We would then be able to focus on what's important: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. This President by in his own right is a Rich man but he is concerned about the least of these. PEOPLE NEED HEALTH CARE- OBAMA GAVE IT TO THEM- SENIORS NEED ASSSITANCE- OBAMA IS TRYIN TO PROTECT THAT-PEOPLE NEED JOBS- OBAMB IS WORKING TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY AND GROW BUSINESS IN AMERICA. ALL WHILE FIGHTING HATRED, RACISM, AND OUTRIGHT DISRESPECT. If you have never been unemployed, without healthcare, or a senior who can't afford medicine perhaps you can't understand why these three things among others are so important. This country can't afford to forget the poor. America is where the poor came to have a better opportunity. Where the slaves-not just those here, but the indentured servants were able to finally get a new start. It was the poor who built American. President Obama: RESPECT HIM. RESPRECT THE OFFICE. RESPECT AMERICA.
Directress – there is such a thing as logic. You may want to try it! First – no cares what color the president is and those that may are a small majority- I could care less... My concern is does he have the experience to get the job done. So far, he has not proven that. There are few jobs to be had.. Healthcare is skyrocketing (thanks to Pres Obama and the closed dorr senators). It sounds to me like you have a few of the issues you are trying to pin on everyone else. The key is to listen to all sides and then judge for yourself...
Dissent is not racism.
So, does any of this really get us any closer to getting out of either Afghanistan or Iraq? I'm glad UBL is gone, but I'm really having a problem correlating his death to a withdrawal from either country. I don't see where we are any closer to winning the "war on terror". where do we go from here? (this isn't a put down to anyone, I'd just like to see if anyone else feels the same as I do).
here are my answers:
no
no
who knows
definitely not
yes
yes
definitely not
Oh, one last item to address. For those defending the burial at sea as an action of humanity and propriety, islamic law states that burial at sea is only do be done he there is no other choice. Even he the death occurs on board a ship at sea, the body of the deceased should be preserved, if possible, until the ship docks, theo be buried in accordance with islamic law, which is to say, in the ground, facing qibla. No, i am not muslim, but i took a whole 2 minutes to research the issue. And, please, for pete's sake, do not try to tell me they had to way to give the man a proper burial in the ground. Tell me no one out there is that naive.
Mission accomplished... Ok.. come home.. bye-bye Afganistan, Iraq and the rest of these places where we are not wanted .... come home today... Yippie... Not one more life of a young America should be given for this God forsaken area... Not one more dollar to be spent here..... Save our lifes and treasury....
I also question why he was buried at sea. DNA testing does not mean it was BIn Laden. It could have been a family member. Also, what about the college kids at the white house with prepared signs, etc... Were they the first to know??
Most students are against killing... I find it difficult to see these kids celebrating something most of them only heard about and were probably 10 years old when 9/11 happened.... Who knows how many relatives this man had? WIthout seeing it .....
As a fellow college student who was only 12 when 9/11 happened I can tell you the celebration was real. Although we were very young when the attacks happened, we are still affected by the war. Many of my fellow high school graduates have done tours in the middle east. Also as students we love rallying together and celebrating anything really.
I got 1 question. Where are your 14 virgins Bin Laden...lol
VAGINA!!!!!!!!!!!1
Not with a stolen dick...
Osama Bin Rottin may be dead, but nothing else has or will change. The terrorists threats and action on their threats is probably even greater now. We surely have pissed them off even more now. The Al Queda will never end, therefore, neither will the acts of terrorism until they are all dead, and we all know that's not going to happen.
Who gets the reward money..I thought a 25 m reward was out there.?
As his killers were US Servicemen (Go SEAL team 6!) I don't know if they are eligable for the reward, as they were carrying out thier duties under orders. I hope they get it, though.
How about these?
Where is Osama's body?
Why can we not see it?
Why did the building he was killed in catch fire last night?
Have they released any photos of Bin Laden dead yet? How can we really believe he is dead and this is just not some ploy for the president to gain more supporters?
I think he's been dead for some time now and that they're using this as a way to boost American moral, pull out of Afghanistan, make Obama more popular, etc
Osama Dead! Good News, but I fell a bit confused. Why didn't he have any body guards? Why didnt they show us any photos. Remember when they caught Saddam, photos and videos were released to the public.
May be he is till alive and in custody,,.. Who knows.
But If he is really dead. I dont hink its not a good news. The man has become a symbol. ofcouse you can kill him, but turned him intoa martyr for his brothers. He has now become immortal. I am a bit afraid if there is going to be a ny retalliation. After all from what I know Zawahiri is 'The Brain' of Al-Quida and he is still there
Why r american people so happy to get a news of death of 60 years old muslim?they r always after a hero of some other nation.they kill saddam on 60,chey guavera 54.always killing good looking face nt availiable in holywood!lol!kill n get killed why!burger sex violence n everything like a holywood movie.osama death came at d time when obama is fighting wid birth certificate evt fishy!
Anil............please take a laxative
maybe then you can type something i can read.
So WHOSE MONEY built this new 3-5 year old large compound to protect Osama bin Laden?
And FOR HOW LONG was Osama living there "unbeknownst to Pakistan or anyone"?
Might it have been U.S. aid to the Pakistanis (food, training, weapons, intel)?
Might we have to re-evaluate our $$$ BILLIONS to Pak and our trust in this "partnership"?
Yes.
You, we, paid for the villa.
And our ally Pakistan has been in on this from day one. Proof? It's all out in the open now.
Essentially, he was killed in the Pakistani version of Annapolis. For gawd's sake.
We should have invaded Pakistan a half dozen years ago instead of Iraq.
Recall also that on 9/10/2001 Pakistan was fully funding the Taliban in Afghanistan and they were supporting Al Queda.
On 9/12/2001 Junior acknowledged Pakistan was our ally.
Thankfully, Obama did not have the same loyalties as Junior.
1: Did you know Anwar Alwalaki (supposedly #2 Al-Qaeda) was having dinner meetings at the pentagon in the weeks after 9/11 ?
2: Did you know that DNA confirmation takes weeks; not hours ?
3: Did you know that ANY military aircraft that goes into a high profile mission is THOUROUGHLY examined for safety and function ?...(yet our helicoptor went down going after the #1 most hated man in America)
4: Don't you find it suspicious that Obama releases his birth certificate a couple of days ago after 'giving the order' for this mission 2 weeks ago ?
5: Wouldn't you expect a SERIOUS retaliation from "Al-C I A' da" if this was real ?
6: Have you read about Operation Northwoods ?
7: Are you tired of being lied to ?
'search' ...Webster Griffin Tarpley...and...Infowars
So lets see. Bin Laden was living in a villa outside the Capital of Pakistan.
Surrounded by Pakistani Military and a military base.
Thus there should be no question that the Pakistani government was totally complicit in this. No doubt.
Could someone ask at the news conference just how much money we have sent to Pakistan in the last 10 years?
And can we perhaps at least ask for some receipts for the villa that we apparently paid for?
Someone at the pentagon or the state department should have to file an expense report.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_%E2%80%93_United_States_relations
Multiple figures with citations... in other words a lot of money. I feel they are complicit. Can't wait for them to come crawling for relief aid next time they have a big earthquake.
I dont think bin laudin is dead,this is all about money,,and obama is a fake,i didnt vote for him,I will not ever vote for him,and his followers,Im American bred,an Americanborn,,,oh and by the way, GOD BLESS AMERICA....
You are so bright! Wow
@ Mud
sigh..................Another American Moron
This one is six years old
and having a temper tantrum.
Question # 8 - Where did all these crisp American flags – seen outside the White House, Ground Zero etc. – come from last night?
the only real question is, where are the photos? burried at sea w/in 24 hours? body treated w/ respect to islam while other "muslims" killed on the battle field are left for the crows? obama says he was killed last week but it was actually just yesterday? something aint right.
you are so right..this is not making sense...the more we learn the more questions.not the norm..major flags..not just the ones around the White house and Ground Zero..time will tell..
somebody better check the back gate.
This ends nothing. He was the symbol of terrorism and a face for the world to hate, but Al Qaeda is not going anywhere. If you killed Ronald McDonald would McDonalds stop selling fast food and go away? Of course not.
people need to stop the open celebrations that are being shown on tv. they are just adding more reasons for the people who hate us to hate us more. how did you feel when they showed them celebrating after 9/11? pissed you i'm sure, it did me to, so why is this any different. i am currently over in iraq and all th celebrations are going to do is cause a backlash on the people who are over here and in other locations (including the usa). so be happy but show some class and get out of the streets.
Oh please
Even if you buy into this hoax.....You attitude is exactly the kind a terrorist would love
"oh no we can be happy about our victories...Al-C I A'da might get mad"
YOU would rather we be all Hush-Hush
YOU would rather we be scared to celebrate
YOU are part of the problem
Does sort of remind you of the dancing going on in the streets of Muslim countries as the towers fell during 9-11.Remember the ones here had to come from somewhere and bring the same lesson book with them.
Why is bin even givin special burial , they should of feed him to the hungry alligators in kenya after america sees him dead and made a live broadcast on tv Or stone him that's muslim enough and then feed him .
Pakistan government had to know Osama bin Laden was in a compound built in a safe military zone of Pakistan. Americans must be fools if they now think different. Pakistan has smelled like fish for 10 years! The guns of war have been pointed in the wrong direction.
1. Maybe, but probably not.
2. The symbol will fade away.
3. New Public Enemy #1. Same fate as bin Laden, only faster.
4. The suspicious looking and operating compound was built when? 2005"? bid Laden has been there ever since? And the Pakisani governments didn't know about it? Really. With friends like Pakistan, who needs enemies?
5. Leave Afghanistan? Let's hope so. But it depends whether the clear and present danger to the US continues. It may take some time for that answer to become apparent.
6. Obama benefit politically? Maybe some. But most opposition is not-so-thinly veiled racism and political extremism disguised in many forms, and despite the advances in the US since 1964, the remaining racism will have to evolve out of the national psyche over another couple of generations.
7. No. The right wing ismore interested in themselves than in the health and sustainability of the United States of America. They are not interested in anything bipartisan or that respects a different point of view. They will demolish the nation before they agree to conducting the affairs of the nation in a bipartisan and respectful manner as did the generations we should honor for giving us what we have.
Get over your selves! This justice was done for the families of the 9/11 victims! This wasnt made a priority to Bush! Obama made it priority and managed to keep it a secret! A Job Well Done! They strategized this operation well and be happy none of our men or women were hurt! Cant we just be grateful?
I really hope that he's been eliminated, but there are some oddities in the way this was handled. Did the Pres seriously think that the American people wouln't want some proof? Perhaps it will come-and I hope it does. Second, we NEVER send service members on a raid where we can just as easily launch a tomahawk. The tactics don't seem consistent with what we always do. And what was the order from the Pres: kill or capture?
Doubter – There is ONLY one way to get the job done and that IS IN FACT to send
service members in to do the job. As someone with CIA, Navy Seal and other covert
divisions in my family lineage I can assure you that a REAL PERSON is the only
guarantee. If you KNOW your target is there – that's how you do it – not remotely.
How about the most important question... How does the most recognizable man on earth live 30 miles from the capital city of "ally" Pakistan in a compound with 12 foot walls without ANY government knowledge?
If the Pakistani Intelligence community was so heavily involved why are US officials on record as saying they feared our helicopters would be engaged by the Pakistani air force? Also rather interesting, Pakistan asked us to withdraw surveillance and combat operations 2 weeks ago. Were we getting too close to Bin Laden for their comfort?
I am not buying the cover story of feigned ignorance on this one.
God only knows about the US Policy for Pakistan, one side Pakistan portray itself as an ally against the fight against terror on the other side it fully sponsor these home grown monsters which have started attacking their own masters now. How can one believe that this man was living in a big mansion near the Pakistan capital and no one on this planet knows where he was hiding, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to understand whats the relation Pakistan govt shares with these terrorists and how they have successfully hidden this man for so long, i dont wonder if US intelligence knew this before after all they are also ally with Pak. I dont know when these politicians will start talking straight to their citizens about their policies and actions.
liberals are stupid
Actually, we're not stupid.
We're smart people who want to push old ways of doing
to find new solutions. And we WANT to do it with Conservatives
but keep running into comments such as yours—if you dismiss
people you only perpetuate the things you claim to hate so much
"Liberals are stupid"
We had to learn that from conservatives,
it helps to have a great teacher.
Now is the time for every single American to challenge themselves based on the facts and the emotion of the moment.
Regardless of one's views on taxes or government we are ALL reliant on our unity as a nation. Even our currency bears
this motto: E Pluribus Unum — TOGETHER AS ONE. That is the entire foundation of this country, and throughout our
history there have been profound moments of disagreement but we should each look at our own goals and aspirations
and then think: HOW CAN WE WORTK TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE WHAT IS BEST FOR ALL AMERICANS WHILE
RESPECTING THE INDIVIDUAL. We have proven we can do it when we have to – seeing how communities have had no choice but to join together in the wake of the devastating Southern Tornados; the way people of all ideologies, faiths, non-faiths, sexuality, race, class spontaneously joined together overnight once the news of Bin Laden broke...shows that we are capable of unifying in cause and in way of life. Now is the time for the loudest voices of dissent to lower their tone and give every voice the opportunity to be heard and work together to find the best solutions to our common problems.
Thank you!
Thanks to Obama for not providing concrete evidence of Bin Laden's death, here is my conspiracy theory. Bin Laden died long ago, the U.S. government just couldn't prove it til now. He probably died of an illness or old age, without the world knowing. Instead of letting old-age take the credit of BIn Laden's death, Obama takes the credit so the government's efforts on terrorism doesn't look in vain. We American's are suppose to patriotically believe anything our President tells us. I choose to "know" facts and evidence, not believe someone's story that has no supporting evidence like radio communications, pictures, and written documents. Without any solid facts, this is not legit news, but just someone preaching hearsay.
I feel the same way, so show me the proof of your theory. Without any solid facts from you, how can you comment on this.
Show us your proof.
That's why he called it a "theory".
– DNA testing has proven with 99.9% certainty that Osama bin Laden was indeed one of the people killed in last night's raid, two Obama administration officials tell the AP. They did not say how the testing was done, but indicated that Obama may have had the initial results before announcing bin Laden's death.
According to the Telegraph, bin Laden's DNA was tested against a sample from his sister's brain. The sister died years ago in Boston, and the FBI immediately subpoenaed her body so that brain tissue and blood samples could be preserved for exactly this purpose. Facial recognition techniques were also used to identify the body, and bin Laden's wife reportedly identified him by name during the raid. Officials are still weighing whether or not to release a photo of Osama's body.
See for yourself at http://www.newser.com/story/117646/dna-test-confirms-osama-bin-ladens-death.html
Ninja Dude? Seriously? You come up with a name like that and a rediculous theory with no valid facts and expect people to take you seriously?
First off, here is a link on the definition of a "theory"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory
Please study it thoroughly for there will be an exam on it.
There are only 2 reasons why I thought this plausible. First, it took the government 10 years to get him. Not much discussion floating around about Bin Laden for 10 years. Where they even trying for the past 10 years to find him? Second, show me a picture of Osama Bin Laden between 2004 and now, most pictures on the internet are like between 1990s up to 2003 maybe. And for the second reason, I assumed the time frames; I am not surfing the web with endless comparisons of photo uploads that don’t really determine the time the picture was really taken.
As for the website you posted, it is still just hearsay from the Obama administration officials. They are telling they have evidence, such as DNA testing. Please understand the verb “telling”, they are not providing or showing but “telling.” Here’s how they can make use of the verbs: to provide and to show. Hypothetical quotes, “The officials provided the documentation of the subpoena for the sister’s body; the officials showed a video footage of Bin Laden’s wife identifying him by name during the raid.” That is evidence I will believe.
I want to believe Osama is dead. Really! All I want is one, just one, unaltered photo of a dead Bin Laden.
I just recently came across this link. There is a video footage of his lair. It’s still not solid evidence to me, but it the closet I’ve seen so far.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/WorldNews/conspiracy-theories-proof-bin-ladens-death/story?id=13508746
And as for Ninja Dude, I am Ninja Dude 2.0 and I take after Stephen Colbert, that’s who I get my real news from. A recent tweet from Colbert, "It's crazy how the whole world can change over the course of one weekend. I still can't believe Mariah Carey had twins."
@ Ninja Dude
You assume that Obama is behind this.
He just does what he is told.
Please change your handle
hard to take you serious.
Terrorism will continue, there is no question about that. Bin Laden has been a teacher to many, you can beat he cloned his ways thru his teaching. This will never be over.
Ahh yes I love Big Brother, Osama is our Goldstien and the war machine keeps turning. Remember now with the internet now in place they are watching, listening and rewriting history as they see fit.
WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Carry on Proles...
I really loathe the term closure.
When you are sepearated from a loved one, the wound does not close. You learn to live with it, to work around it, to cope, but it does not go away.
Same old "John Wayneism" BS here. Again. Kill, bomb, kick-ass, etc.,etc., etc.... As long as it doesn't cost me anything nor involve my spoiled rotten, pampered, brat, kids.
Thank You Jeff.
My Mother told me, that during WW2
nieghborhood kids would go out on paper drives, scrap drives ect
and they had ration coupons for meat, dairy, sugar ect.
The war came home to you.
Today war is like some reality tv show
they are being manufactured.
Soldier 4 Life – do you really think Bush laid the foundation for Obama finding Bin Laden? AS not only a vet but the mother of an active duty soldier who returned from Afghanistan in January, I'm stunned to read your comments. In my own opinion, Bush is the reason this whole Afghanistan disaster was created. My own son was a firm bush supported when he first enlisted and now sees the crooked ways that idiot has adversely affected our country.
Thank you so much for you service as I completely understand and appreciate and relate to the sacrifices you make, however, but I don't understand your logic.
James2 – You are a disgrace to this country. You do not have your head buried in the sand, but it is definitely buried somewhere else. Obama could not have done this without the work already done by Bush. I know this first hand as actual FACT, not politics. Go sip a latte and smoke a joint somewhere else hippy.
Nice contradiction:
"do you really think Bush laid the foundation for Obama finding Bin Laden?" then, followed up with..
"Obama could not have done this without the work already done by Bush".
You got some splaining to do!
What the Fu....................................
Team America, F-yeah! Suck my d!ck and lick my balz! Walmart, hell-yeah, Bed Bath and Beyond – f-yeah!
Anonymous posting apparently increases the I.Q. of anyone by 100 – just ask the author.
This is a good day, smile, and then get back to work.
Lots to be done still
100 yards from a military compound and nobody there knew?come on! of course those turds knew! bin laden probably had more people on the payroll than the mafia! they knew,so we went in and did what had to be done!
As an "illegal" mexican, I would like the US to stop attacking other people. We mexicans have every right to live in the US and should not be subject to discrimination. You should not deny healthcare and education to our people because you say we are illegal.
As a 'legal' American (born in this land), shut your mouth and accept what our government does, especially since you chose to live here freely, and not pay the taxes that pay our armed forces that protect even the scum like you, that illegally make your home in this country.
You mean the illegal aliens sneaking in from Mexico? What does that have to do with getting bin Laden? THAT'S RIGHT, WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? STOP USING, STOP SENDING WEAPONS INTO MEXICO, THIS WILL STOP THE VIOLENCE AND THE ILLEGAL INFLUX, YOU FOOLS! WHAT A STUPID COMMENT BY THAT IDIOT LUIS
now we need to know why the pakastanis were hiding him. its a great victory for america. america cant trust anyone but israel over there. iran your next. iran your next if you don't change your ways
I hear ya Carlos! and someone once told me there are no free lunches! - I say BS, the government ought to pay for my lip waxing and midget tossing losses....
A woman believed to be a wife of Osama bin Laden was used as a human shield when U.S. forces stormed his secret compound in Pakistan, President Obama's chief counterterrorism adviser said at a White House briefing. "She was positioned in a way that indicated she was being used as a shield," said the adviser, John O. Brennan, adding that the woman was killed in the attack.
Brennan also said it was "inconceivable that bin Laden did not have a support system" in Pakistan that allowed him to live comfortably with his family in a town north of Islamabad. He said U.S. officials are pursuing this with the Pakistanis, who were pointedly not informed about the raid before it took place.
I agree with Carlos. The US needs to open its doors to all the mexican and provide servises for our great people. This will stop all the violence in Mexico and we will be better off
You are kidding aren't you?Mexico does not have a drug problem.We do.
No. the US needs to stop surpressing other people. I have a right to healthcare and education. If the US opened it boarders then all the inocent people could leave and be safe. Also they would have healthcare and get education so they will be able to work in the future
Sure, you can have all of that, once you go through the CORRECT and LEGAL process and start paying taxes.
time to take the Cosby kids to the pool.....
After killing thousands of civilians and spending billions of dollars, America finally got Osama (or so they claim). Well let me ask you what makes you any different from Osama. You have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the name of 'peace'. He killed thousands in the name of 'Allah'. At least he took responsibility for that.
All you Americans dont just eat every crap your newspapers and media feed you.
I will never justify what osama did or America did.
America is a country which is afraid of everything. Communism, Socialism, Terrorism, Islam, Turbans,... Is there anything they are not afraid of. The American are willing to sacrifice anything for the sense of false security. Nobody is safe. If a man decides to kill someone and is willing to stake his-own life, then there is no stopping him.
If you're scared, buy a dog.
Yeah, let's dismantle the police, military and intelligence community and life will be just fine. ...
Hey Vince, you want to go out to Fancy steak dinner?
While I applaud Obama's decision to take action, it couldn't have been an easy one.
For an honorable man to give the the order to kill another human being couldn't have been easy.
I only hope that he doesn't have regrets about his decision later. It's a burden that he will carry for the rest of his life.
Let's not forget the Navy SEALS that carried out the attack. Heroes for sure, but they too will have to live with the fact that they executed Bin Laden, his son and several others. Got to be hard to live with.
It would have been an easier decision if he had been in a foxhole and taking fire.
I only counted six but I do work for the government.
Do you ever think that the higher ups pull these things when the polls are going wrong?
absolutely they do, how timely this announcement comes as people start gearing up for election, and happens to air the speech during Trump's apprentice. LOL, how insanely childish. wow, can americans really be that gullible...oh wait, yes, you voted GW Bush in for a second term.
As goes in the Stones' song, "Time is on our side, yes it is." so it goes with our enemies. They can run but they can't hide.
The most satisfying thing that can happen for the US and our allies is to out live those that can't stand to see somebody else happy.
the US needs to stop supressing other people. I come to this country and get get a job. The US needs to let all the Mexcians in to stop the fighting in Mexico. There should not be any illegals anymore. It is the duty of the US to provide us the the basics of healthcare and education
You really fit in with all the Liberal d-bags, you ought to be granted citizenship ASAP! Tell all your lazy, self rightous friends too!
once i can vote I will vote for Obama or other democrates that will help us.
also we are not lazy, we are hard working. We just want the basics of healthcare and education we are entitiled to
@ Heyzeus
I am a liberal Dem from upstate New York
and i want Carlos deported yesterday
and i want the border sealed.
Apply, and come here the proper way (Legally)
or get the hell out.
Entitled? ENTITLED!?!? Entitled to WHAT? A free trip back to Mexico is all that you're entitled to! You have a job, maybe...but what are you GIVING BACK to the country that is housing your illegal a$$? Are you paying the taxes to pay for the services that you are ENTITLED to like I am? NO. Get out or do the process correctly and THEN you can ask for your entitlements.
Finally we have destroyed our own trained creation, now the conspiracy behind whether Osama was real or not shall start, nobody knows whether he truly existed in the first place, maybe we created him so that we could justify the destruction of the Middle East for oil and geographical purposes.
Cut off all aid to Pakistan, cut diplomatic ties, close embasey, and say good-bye. That could be the best thing that ever happened.
Carlos can't be for real. Even the beaners are smarter than that.
please dont use racist terms, we are hard working people trying to get a better life
Yes, please use terms like "job-and-government-benefits-stealing wet-backs". They work hard at a job that could be yours for less money because they are under the fear and intimidation of deportation. You are not.
@ Mark
After i responded it hit me that
Carlos and Manuel are trolling for response.
I think what kills me most about all of this is reading the comments about a conspiracy theory. Seriously people, if the guy isn't dead, do you think he's going to allow us to believe he is? He'd be the first on TV saying what a bunch of idiots we are and how our president is lying to us. I don't think the president would take such a chance do you? It's as stupid as the whole theory that Obama wasn't born in the United States. Let's see... how many people do you think have to verify that BEFORE he becomes president? The time you all waste on such idiotic theories and the division you dig deeper into our country is so damaging to this great nation of ours.
Remember when momma use to tell us to close the gate?
Yeah, I think I just did!
I got a question. U see the petroleum jelly on binny's shelf? Bet he was pettin his one eyed sanke when the seals walked in and blew his head off. Jerk.
watts, you're a moron!
Although Obama is no victory for the America, killing bin Laden was a victory for Obama and the American people.
I feel sorry for the shark that takes the bite out of osama... last thing we need is a shark out for revenge with osama all up inside of him....
They never said , " Who owned the Mansion" ??
that mansion looked like a shot up house in the ghetto.
Is Osama's death going to anger al Qaeda to the point of attaking America again? If so, what can we do to brace ourselves or perhaps prevent this from happening again?
@ Trula
Keep an eye on Cheney, Bush & Rumsfeld...
we should be safe.
AND I THOUGHT THE GONG SHOW WAS OFF THE AIR. YOU YANKS ARE A HOOT. KEEP UP ALL THE CRAP. LOL
Don't worry. Sit back and sip your tea. We'll protect the western world from danger so that unappreciative jerks like yourself can express their feeling unmolested in all-caps in a chat room.
real Osama is living in the shed in the back of Playboy mansion ....smokes reefer..down by the river....
How come CBS said he died in 2001? How come he supposedly died in Islambad years ago?
Where is the body with the DNA as proof of death. Where are the photos of him in the place he was shot???
I began to wonder if we are any different from them. It was tacky to see people celebrating the death of a man. Though it was neccesary to take action, this wasnt a victory.... This was a sad display of what we are as a human race. Though this may have been neccesary, we should have reacted in a manner that showed we are morally superior as a country... But unsurprisingly, we dropped to the same level our enimies were on as they rejoiced the 9/11 attacks. We need to wake up and realize that the sword will at one point dull.....
Am I the only one that thinks this is another O'Bama ploy? Bury the body at sea?? Don't have to produce it that way. DNA instantly back? Come on -are we Amercans really that dumb? Donald Trump investigate this one.
I think its disgusting to watch the US celebrate the assassination of any person on national TV. Bin Laden was a criminal and should have been brought to justice, like any other criminal. Tried and sentenced by UN courts, not murdered only to have a party in front of the whitehouse, and have the president say his plot to find and kill him is done. Mankind has sunken to a new low after the press this received and how the president was applauded for his government murdering another human being. simply disgusting to watch.
by the way, it most likely will not stop the terrorism as I'm sure Bin laden had many people ready to take his place by now.
Funny how Osama suddenly "dies" right as his cousin Obama is trying to position himself to win an election. Wake up, sheeple.
my god are you an idiot.
Mork
He is only half and idiot
he used the word "sheeple"
but forgot the "obummy"
Question #8: Why can't we see picture or pictures of his dead body?
second that...where's the proof...'oh right...there isn't any. cause it's hidden by the US government...Obama's government...how convenient.'
this is about as intelligent an argument as saying "show us the birth certificate!"
@ Jibb
You actually think Obama runs the government ????
I am laughing my ass off.
The man you people put into your white house
is just a puppet and does what he is told.
Play the game Monopoly but with real money.
Play the game risk, but with real armys.
Put those 2 games together
and put the elite in charge !
The person in the white house
is like a manager working his way up through a company
It may be an important job, but its just another step
in the ladder to the top.
You do what you are told for the company bottom line
and then you can advance.
Simple.
The United States is NOT a country.....
Its a very large corporation, with a manager in charge.
That manager is "selected" out of several
then you are allowed to "elect" them.
People need to change how they look at America.
Us Americans have not been in control of our government for a long time
the problem is..........
TOO many of us are not aware of it........................YET !!!
I have the answer to question 7. No. It isn't there now so how could it last? Any pretense of cooperative feelings is an act for the cameras. The republicans are regretting that osama was captured on Obama's watch and regretting that osama was in Pakistan and not one the countries they invaded.
i still bilive ladin is alive some were in usa drinking beer
You know the suadis sold out benladen so that their plant that they put in the white house would be able to divert donald trump and hello we need jobs on america ( why are we still in afganistan & pakistan? they have been around for thousands of years and can handle themselves quite well..why does republican and democrats avoid the job issue – all they have to do is propose a tax cut to the companies to hire 45-65 yr olds and watch the flip take- there are no job all the kids have em from 17- 28 well OBAMA LOOKS LIKE WE NEED THE TRUMP CARD NOW!
Won't they say much like Texans say ' Remember the Alamo ! " that " Remember Osama ! " and get a bit nastier?
Why did they get rid of the body so fast for? What proof does the American people have that he is really dead .Do'nt get me wrong i love this country dearly but the Goverment does'nt always tell the truth Where is all the proof that he is dead
i still bilive ladin is alive some were in usa drinking beer
dave we cant see picture. He is fine he was CIA people ease believe Government what they say about anything
I personally do not believe Osama Bin Laden is dead.
marvin lol
Hey you god damn mexican haters, we don't steal jobs we take, the crap jobs u a-holes don't want to do. do you even know what would happen to the prices of food if legal american citizens took those jobs? this country feeds off illegal workers. and besides u self-righteous bastards did steal our land.
Hey taco lover, remember the black beans on the side and shave those side burns, ya hippy!
you also don't pay taxes, so when you get paid less it equals out to about the same amount a person who makes minimum wage and a little above gets. You drive around in expensive cars and have credit cards, something that a lot of legal citizens in this country have a hard time getting. You continue to have babies so that they are considered American citizens so that you and your families can continue to stay here illegal. Many of you don't even speak english.
I love it ! you dried off from your long swim and now you want to take shots at the very situation that allows you to open your ignorant mouth and call us the names of your many parents . If you think (which I doubt) we took your land , then please try another ALAMO , other wise go back to your mud hut and weave a basket or cultivate some more marijuana .
"Justice was done."
LOLOL Americans
Smart will think about it stupid will believe
to the question asking if we will be out of there..... its gonna be a lot longer then months. its gonna be more like years. when the u.s. captured saddam christmas of 2004 i believe there wass talks about leaving iraq but 7 years later we are still there and still putting troops in iraq. this is something we will never be able to get out of.
I feel that all of these news agentcies need to be asking these Questions before they report the news
Obama just did not want any computition destroying this country.
Fred, shut up please
Negativity as usual
What I really want to know is, will the soldiers be rewarded with the money issued for Bin Laden? They totally should be rewarded with it.
Since he was buried at sea, couldn't the hardcore fundamentalist Muslims say that the entire sea is now a shrine in honor of thier fallen hero and forbid the US warships to patrol the area? I know it sounds crazy. But, they are a territorial culture. The US would bend over backwards to appease them if that were to happen.
i smell a cover-up hehe wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't dead and bombed the crapped out of the pentagon again or some other important place who knows this time he might get smart and aim towards the president
@ Pie hole
Dont worry about the Pentagon.
Cheney & Rumsfeld have retired.
im proud to b e an american but did anybody mention the cartels and zatas are next door 37k deaths still counting does kidnapping and killings concern anybody american lives are taking luis reform are to those that want to be american not wave mexican flag around chuntaros get edjucated before giving an opinion obama im glad your our president thanks
but most to special forces and troops that sacrafice there lives so we can live ours sorry but truth hurts
Oh please do not waist your time listing to bush. He never said anything constructive, never. You can listen to Obama but do not trust him. He is another politician. We ARE NOT STUPID, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. AMERICANS ARE NOT STUPID AND THE POLITICIAN SHOULD STOP THEIR GAME
he who live by sword die by sword, bravo b obama.
The pakis KNEW bin laden was there. The paki government cannot be trusted. They are a bunch of belly slithering snakes...Bomb 'em to oblivion.
Naw Paul,
The Pakis are paid well by the CIA to do as they are told.
Honestly the GOVERNMENT HAS US ALL CONFUSED!!! THIS FISHY STORY LACK'S A LOT OF COMMON SENSE .......... LIKE WHY? TAKE THE BODY OF EVIDENCE TO SEA WITH OUT HARD PROOF?? ARE WE BEING SPOON FEED A BUNCH OF BULL??????? FOR ONE OUR OWN GOVERNMENT LOOKS MORE LIKE THE GUILTY PARTY OF 9/11 THERE'S SO MANY UN ANSWERED QUESTIONS ....... IT WOULDN'T BE THE 1st TIME A GOVERNMENT IN CHARGE DOOPS ITS PEOPLE INTO A MEANINGLESS WAR .......& ONE MORE THING IF HE'S DEAD IS THIS POINTLESS WAR OVER NOW !!!! LIKE WHY ???ARE WE STILL THERE??
Teresa
The PNAC – Neo Con war on terror will not end in your life time.
It has been planned that way.
I feel bad for anyone who doesnt believe in the New World Order
Spiders built LARGE webs with many strands
so you cant see them all.
This is just another strand.
See my post above about playing Monopoly & Risk
with real money & real military.
I wish more people would see this.
It may jolt people into at least understanding whats going on.
My question and concern is WHY was Bin Laden buried at SEA? WHY was he not brought back to the US so he could be laid out in Public for ALL to see the DEMON was actually dead? Now we must,once again. go with government trust that he is truly dead.
It seems so strange to me how so many people go to such extremes! Whether you support Bush/Obama, the facts are still the same our Commander and Chief set out an order, it was followed with what I might say great detail (NO false information or intelligence) and a job was handled! It does make me sick to see the celebrations going on, the same way it makes me feel when I see them burning our flags! I am very proud of our President. This was not a war we asked for, this man attacked us along with other Saudies. So lets give it a rest and prepare for what is to come! And hope and pray that our men and women can start coming home! The entire Irauq war made me sick, I truly believed our President and supported him, then after all the deaths and the devestation......what? We got rid of a mean Dictator. There are men like him all over the world! We cannot police every nation only reach out to those in need. Lets stop policing the world and step back and take a breath. I would just like to say thank you to the Navy seal team, that did their job, they had accurate information and handled the problem, with great leadership!
People will believe what they want to believe, for me, he is dead and that is that. You give them a photo, they will ask a video, you release a video, they will ask for a body, you give a body and they will ask for something else. Conspiracy theories will never die about this man, because for some people they are much more interesting than just accepting the alternative.
Do I believe any of the conspiracy theories already floating about? No, I am more worried about how much more is it going to cost fill up my car tomorrow, is the company going to lay me off next month? I don't have the time or energry worry about what some tin foil covered nut job is saying.
Congrats to our brave soldiers who put their lives on the line everyday so we can have ours, job well done.
The biggest threat to bin Ladenism comes not from American bullets but from the prospect that the Arab spring will remake the political order in the Middle East.
That was the truth 30 years ago. That was the truth 40 years ago. I remember the tanks in the streets of Kent Ohio at the time of the anti-war protests. I remember Kent State giving away door prizes and not charging for Kent State football games because the team was so bad. Give people something to assemble about, and they will assemble. If the people are happy because their rulers serve them, and not the other way around, you cannot get them to assemble. If the leaders get the order in reverse, Ben Laden's twin will arrive.
Can we leave Afghanistan now? Here is a thought. Forget about the problems over there. If we did bring all the troops home, where would they find a job? I am having a hard enough time looking for work without our soldiers competing against me. OK, bring them home, but keep them in the military. At least that way they have a job. Of course that option does not help our budget problems any.
Yes, it is the hearts and minds of the Afghan people that will decide things in the long term, but if we pull out now, the Taliban will just kill anyone who's hearts and minds don't belong to them, like they did back in the '90's.
BTW, what the hell does Kent State's football program have to do with this?
Shut up you re all morons go watch jersey shore
Ok people can't we just be glad that he's dead? Do we have to bring out the conspiricy theories already? Has it ocurred to anyone that we might done the burial at sea A) so that his followers could never collect his remains and B) because publicly displaying his body would have gotton a lot of armed people angry. I personally would have loved to see his head on a pike, but this is the 21st century, things just aren't done like that anymore.
A message to the Lib-trolls: Just because Bin Laden was killed while Obama was in the White house does not mean that Bush wasted eight years twidling his thumbs or that none of his actions helped. Bin Laden's killing was the result of intelligence work stretching back almost to the beginning of the war on terror. We didn't start over from scratch on election day 2010.
Likewise conservitrolls: Obama is due credit for continuing the hunt, for authorizing the mission that took him out when we weren't 100% that it was him, and for keeping it a secret even from the Pakistanis. And I would point out that if this were intended as an election surprise, the White House probably would have waited untill the year of the election.
Furthermore, this is not the time or place for comments about the birth certificate, or the 'shadow government' that has controlled the Bush and/or Obama administrations. This is also not the time for puns involving the one-letter difference between certain people's names. Nor is this the time or place for flame-wars involving immigration, social security, the use of contracters in Iraq, high gas prices, healthcare, drugs, or Donald Trump's hair-do. While most of these are important, they'll still be here tomorrow. Today let's just be greatful for what has been achieved, and for the people in the military and the intelligence comunnity who made this possible.
Oh if you like bush and his pals you re an extra large dummy
I just do not believe Osama Bin Laden was taken out yesterday. Why? There is no proof that Bin Laden was taken out. Just because President Obama says Bin Laden was shot in the head and 'buried' at sea does not make it so. And referring to DNA verification? Yeah, right! They tested the DNA on the spot. LOL! I'm inclined towards this being a completely made up story in order to rally nation-state fervor among the teeming masses of Americans who are otherwise suffering through the economic malaise created by the Shrub, Bush, and Haliburton Hack, Cheney, both of whom are war criminals who started two illegal wars and slaughtered more than 600,000 innocent civilians in Iraq.
You are an idiot. Bush didn't start a war, Congress did, Republican AND Democrat members who all voted to use military force in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. The President prosecutes war on behalf of the nation as Commander In Chief, he cannot declare war, only Congress can do so. Read your Constitution and learn the political process before opening your mouth.
Here's some questions:
1. Why dump the body of the most wanted man in the world in the ocean before autopsy or inspection?
2. Why classify any photos?
3. Why burn down the site of the raid?
4. Why did Pakistan issue a statement saying they knew nothing of the raid, then go back and issue a statement saying they had approved of it?
FISHY FISHY FISHY!!!! Today is the day to raise questions. Shock will not let us roll over and accept whatever we "hear" like on September 11, right? ... Right?
Bush did not do a damn thing to help catch him in his eight years as president I am so glad that fool is gone and not our president anymore that a drunk
Unless Obama can pump 5 million barrels per year of sweet light crude from the hole in Bin Laden's head, this in no way will be a boon for the liberal democrats come Nov 2012. The election will be dominated by skyrocketing fuel prices and as a consequence, skyrocketing inflation. End of story.
Sure, if you're stupid enough to vote based on gas prices, then that is absolutely true.
Americans use to trade humans especially pretty girls that were seven eighths white, octaroons. america is better now but should still keep big talk in perspective .avoid new hypocrisy . Study history , cause were still in it. Fr.gen.so.cal
For goodness sake man, can't we leave the Civil War out of this. I fail to see how the global history of slavery is relevent to counterterror operations in Pakistan.
Recipe for improving world 1. Phase out religion
2. Ease up on macho
3. Have fewer children
4. Dont be wasteful, i.e. Huge houses,gas guzzling . A throw away mentality needs to be avoided
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Will this help in ending the war
Regarding what Pakistan might have known. I believe they might have helped with his capture/death by tricking Osama into a comfortable feeling of safety, ie: the mansion and compound.
It's a lot easier to find someone when they are settled, verses trying to track him through mountains, caves and across many countries. I don't have one shred of evidence of this, just a gut feeling.
This whole situation can be boiled down , you end up with unfairness . That s the root of all our problems. My point will be completely over the majority of peoples heads , its the few who understand that who are our only realistic hope. Its a big deal actually
I said phase out religion .all of our improvements as humans are in direct proportion to the gradual implementation of a scientific approach . We have stopped believing in two thousand year old ghost stories too such a mentally retarding degree .can you imagine you religous freaks dont like science but you like your computers, eye glasses,vaccines,cars,big screen tvs,etc. Youre still little kids grow up
I'm proud that Bin Laden is not a problem anymore. But our relationship with Pakistan might have done us more harm than good! Everyone seems to forget that evil people always have a "hidden adgenda!" Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer is what they say...but how is keeping your enemies closer an advantage..? I have a feeling the U.S. just set off another reason for Pakistan to plan another attack. We just added more fuel to this fire and the outcome might not be a good one...
If you don't want to give Obama credit for bringing down bin Laden because he didn't pull the trigger, then you can't give credit to bin Laden for bringing down the towers since he wasn't the one who flew the planes into the buildings.
Propaganda is a very powerful weapon, and no-one makes use of the patriotic zeal of their citizens like the US. Roll out the flag, scare them s@&%less with an attack on their soil, and they will vote for any foreign war you put before them! The fact that the US Govt still teaches their children Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK is incredible! This horror has only just begun ...
The death of Bin Laden has not much affect to terorrism. Like in my country, Indonesia the most wanted terrorist Doctor Azhari and Noordin M top have been killed long ago, but 'the bombs' still blast in many places, the last one suicide bomber attched police department in the city of Cirebon.
I agree with all of the above.
Will the death of Bin Laden stop our 5 year old's from getting body searched in the airlines? We have become prisoners in our own country and give up freedoms in the name of "safety". I'm glad BIn Laden is gone, but I don't see his death changing the way America has become a police state. I fear this will only escalate the hatred from the terrorist faction and thus put Americans in an even tighter vise grip of rules and regulations.
Margaret you wrote some nice thoughts, and question. I`m not U.S. citizen and my English is not that good, but i`m from same world as you and all others. Is this a justice? I don`t know, because this can start chain reaction in those countries. Answer to your question is NO this is not solve those problems. World is saved from thoughts of one crazy man and this is it. My country was bombed by U.S. cuz one man, that is not solution. A lot peoples in my country hate U.S. people but not me, i like all peoples bad or evil. I think the solution is to cut down bills for military, and give those money to building, schools and hospitals, on education, on food. that will bring peace in world. defend my country not attack other cuz in that other country have one man and half support him and other half not. if is problem in some country in middle east so that is those country problem, that is not problem to U.S. don`t go there and make enemy from people who is not enemy, don`t give him hate, give him hope. When U.S. not have enemies in world than no one will be body searched in the airlines. I hope that I give you right answer. And to others don`t celebrate death, don`t have hate in your souls, Look to history and learn how to stop bad things and make them good in future. Laden is gone and he is past, make better future without him!! God bless you all in U.S and in all other countries.
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Brainmist, I like that quote very much. Although i agree with killing of Osama, I still think this quote is relevant. Although someone who has haunted our country for the last decade is now dead, there is no reason for people to be celebrating the death. We can celebrate the Icon of terrorism no longer exists, but not celebrate the death of a human being.
The only thing that smells fishy is bin ladens body at the bottom of the ocean. I think they probably just said he dumped it over the boat, but probably its on its way to the states to be examened. They just couldn't bury him their cause it would have given people a place to build a shrine. They can't tell us its in the u.s. Cause then we would have every terrorist trying to get the body back. I have no doubt that he is dead cause if he is not we will be seeing one of those terrible grainy out of focus videos of a muslim with a beard claiming to be bin laden. Even if he is dead we will probably see one of those videos.
How did they get his DNA if they threw the body overboard?? Also, I bet that Muslim coutries will claim he is still alive for decades. Just like the white people have with Elvis, and black people have with Tupac. Now the muzzies will have their own creepy un-dead celebrity.
The law said if you don't see the body you can no said that somebody is dead.
Without Bin Laden body we have to say presumed dead.
We are not in Moses time that God himself buried him. hahahaha
What really happened, how Bin Laden get killed?
Is he wasn't torture to death why they got rid of his body?
The sea burial was a "sin" and contrary to Islamic custom, despite what the White House has said.
Even when someone drowns the body must be searched for to be able to "bury it in the ground."
"They should bury it in the ground without putting anything on the grave and Obama as a Muslim should not this.
Well this is what Obama need to be re elected!
There are so many opinions in this blog, its hard to decide what to believe. Our Government has for a long time pulled in opposite directions, maybe for a very long time. Can we be all things to all peoples? I think we can but in order to do so we have to have a Government that is fair to the current citizens of the USA first. Once that happens, the citizens will be less likely to believe conspiracy theories and more open to helping people of other countries.
A. Bin Laden – glad he is dead no matter how he died. Evil is Evil and it will never die. Someone else will take his place. The only way to combat evil is with Love – love for the children that are brainwashed from their first breath. Once we all start taking care of the most important beings in this world today, evil will begin to subside. No matter what the terrorists are, they are a product of their upbringing (except for the truly evil people that no amount of good raising would help). It will take all peoples in all countries to change this not just the USA. How to do this you say? I am not smart enough to tell everyone how to make this happen but it needs to start now and in 15 or 20 years, I believe we will see a reduction in hate. USA parents need to be the leaders on how to raise smart, successful citizens that raise smart children and children that are prepared to take control and Govern our country in the proper way.
B. Illegal people – this includes anyone in the USA that does not have permission to be here – Even if it takes awhile, all people are welcomed into the USA. We in the USA that pay taxes don't like it when the laws made to keep our own citizens from poverty are abused by illegals. We have enough people in our own country taking advantage of the system. We cannot afford to take care of the world. I can only speak for myself but I care very much that people in other countries are not treated properly and with dignity. I can understand why you would want to come to the USA. Regardless of why you want to come to the USA, you need to do it through the correct channels. We are not our ancestors. We are not giving back the country that is now considered the USA to the Mexicans or anyone else for that matter. It is not your right to come here and take free benefits from our US Citizens. Our Government needs to work on helping the people within it before we try to take care of the world. I believe our Government should work on closing the borders to keep all illegals out and if you come in the front door, you will get to enjoy being here and not be in fear your whole life of being sent back to a place you don't want to be.
C. Terrorist – are in all countries – in Mexico its the drug Lords from what I understand. People in the USA that enjoy smoking Weed need to consider how that Weed is brought into the US. I am an old hippie myself, have smoked and actually liked it when I smoked (and did inhale) but in spite of the enjoyment, people get killed over it every day. Even if weed were legalized in USA, the Cartel and killing would not go away because weed is the least harmful drug that is brought into the USA. The Cartel will continue to bring in the harder stuff so legalizing weed in the US will not stop those type of terrorist. I do believe that we as the USA should try to help the Mexicans in some way though. How can we expect our country to thrive when we do not do anything to help our closest neighbor that has so much terror everyday. If we cannot keep our factories in the USA, why don't we send our factories to Mexico instead of China? The Chinese can't have lower wages than Mexico. Is it because its not safe? I don't know but something needs to be done to help Mexico so Mexicans don't feel the need to run across the border. I don't have the answers but I do believe we need to do something in our own backyard to make the USA safer. I do not understand why our Government does not realize that and close the border not just from illegal Mexicans but all the other foreigners that come through that border.
D. Take away the rule that says you are a legal citizen if born in the USA. That rule was made a long time ago and we cannot continue to pay for everyone in the world coming here just to have babies. You know who you are. Not all babies born of non-citizens were born here on purpose but there are those that do and ruin it for everyone else. We have too many people in the world today, many more than when the rule was made and its my understanding it was made to have slave babies be citizens to keep them enslaved. Well think about it – those that come to this country today to have babies and do not want to or plan to become citizens are enslaved while they are here. You that do this need to think about what harm it does to your children. Whether you are in your own dysfunctional country or come to USA illegally you are still in danger and enslaved so at least if you were in your own country you could teach your children the correct way – which is to follow the laws of the country you want to be in so you don't have to be enslaved in your own decisions.
E. US Citizens – you cannot make good positive change in the country by pulling against each other. There are way smarter people than I am that need to make the decisions but the decisions should be made so that Government is here to keep us safe, give us our liberties and freedom without raping our hard earned money to give it to someone that just doesn't want to work or people that have been raised and brainwashed to depend on the Government for handouts. If we fix this for our citizens than when we do have others that want to come to the USA, they will know that we do not want free loaders. I hope everyone realizes that all children are brainwashed from birth. How ever you feel and think affects the way your child is raised. I am not talking about general mistakes that most parents make but I am talking about teaching your children to be bullies, to be disrespectful to other people, to take all they can and not just when they need it, to be haters of other races and many other negatives that parents teach your children. In the old days when the Government did not give hand outs, families and neighbors helped each other. Now families don't even want to help each other and most of us don't even know our neighbors. I think we should bring back truancy for youngsters that should be going to school every day (or if schooled at home, at least the children should be accounted for – this will also help kids not get abused if their parents know someone is watching). Parents should be held accountable for their children and truancy could do that. If truancy were to come back I believe that we would have less need of as many jails because if children were made to go to school and get at least a 12 year education, they would be more responsible citizens, able to make their own money and their outlook on life will be much better if their opportunities were better. Truancy could help parents that are not able to manage their own children and teach them how to handle them when they are younger as opposed to when they are older and harder to manage. Again – there are so many more people in the world today and it will only get worse. Something has to be done to change the way the children are raised today and if the Government wants to get involved in something how about doing something in the early years to keep them from becoming delinquents. No kid left behind is not working because there are way to many left behind.
F. For those people that think is is funny to do a bunch of cussing and sexual talk on this blog, you are part of the problem. I am sure your mother would wash out your mouth with soap if she were a good mother. If you didn't have a good mother, I am sorry for you. If you didn't have a good father, I am sorry for you. A lot of people don't have good moms and dads and again – see E above – that is part of the problem in our country. Everyone needs a good mother and a good father. Mothers should not have to raise children without fathers and fathers should not have to raise their children without their mothers. In our current culture, children don't have any idea what a good strong family unit is because people are so selfish and don't take responsibility for their children anymore. I know mothers that have left their children and I know a lot of fathers that have left their children. If you are a woman or a man and don't choose your child's other parent responsibly, then you are being selfish.
G. Presidents and Government leaders – Presidents especially should be elected because they are the best candidate no matter what party they belong to. Both parties have their own agenda but in spite of what party you are in, Government should not govern everything. I don't have the answers to how far the Government should go because I believe there are 2 sides to every story and some things help citizens and some are there to govern morality. That is a different subject though and I want to keep this comment to how a candidate should be elected. I think that each Presidency has a different set of issues that come up while in office that cannot be anticipated. Bush didn't expect 9-11, Obama didn't expect the financial world to tank. I don't think any President can know the exact right answer all the time and if we do our best to elect the best person for the job, then when these unforeseen things occur, at least we have the best in there to make the best humanly possible decision for the current issues. I knew the Mortgage industry was going to go bust. I am sure others felt it too. I used to process mortgage loans and I could tell as the rules got more and more relaxed, trouble was coming. Mortgages are not a right of every citizen in spite of that American Dream to own a home. If a person cannot make there bills on a week to week basis for a number of years in a row, you can not expect them to take care of a mortgage payment that is higher than their old rent payment is. This is common sense. Responsible people that live on week to week pay checks have a way of anticipating and saving for a rainy day. If you were not raised to be responsible for your own bills, how can you expect a person that lives on a week to week basis, has no savings, has had late payments within the last 12 to 24 months and many other negative factors to be able to manage a higher housing expense which includes maintenance of that newly acquired property. The rules for who should get a mortgage should not be based on every citizens dream to own a property. You can't make rules based on dreams. If you start when children are younger and build them up from there they will be able to enjoy the same dreams that others are able to achieve due to diligence and hard work. Just an example of how things get out of hand and Government could have anticipated the Mortgage issues and Government was responsible for the Mortgage mess because rules were made to stimulate the economy and the price was giving mortgages to people that could not afford it and therefore when the job market gets harder, people are not ready for it and default. All of that is to say – be careful who you elect. What kind of interview would a CEO of a company have to go through. They would have to prove they have the proper credentials. The office of President should have the highest of all standards including having a morality that others could be proud of. It used to be that a President that had bad moral choices in their past would not even be a candidate for President. If you smoked pot in school and inhaled – just say so. People like honesty in their President. What ever happened to that? Also I think that Bush and Obama are good strong family men that love their country and do the best they can in spite of whats thrown at them. I would just like to see some common sense used when Presidents do have to make decisions. We have 2 main issues for our President – How to decide what to do about Wars and How to decide what to do for the citizens of the USA first and then what can we do to help others that are less fortunate second. I believe that if you are a citizen of the USA and have been blessed to be a citizen (not just born here), we owe it to the world to be the leader of strong change to make a better world for all people. We are blessed to be citizens of this country and in spite of its faults, we are still the country people want to come and be a part of.
H. Trump and the birth issue – it was said that no other President has been made to present their Birth Certificate much less made to produce a long form. I don't know how tru that is but I for one felt like we needed to validate the country the President was born in. I don't think any other candidates had the same issue of possibly being born somewhere else. I am not sure the Presidents history but you can be a Governor of a state in the US without being born her so I think it is prudent point to make sure the President is allowed to be President. With that said, I think the bad press came from what people thought were a cover up but those that validated his birth in Hawaii. I am guilty of feeling uneasy about it also and its because I hear so many different people talking about conspiracy theories and since I am not as educated as some and do not know everything I should know, it makes it easy to doubt truth even if it smacks you in the face. I think the President should have provided the first document of his birth in the beginning to prove he was what he said he was and people would have accepted it easier and not followed Trump to the extent they did. I am just saying – go ahead and bring out the truth in the beginning and let the chips fall where they may. At least then people that are not in the know would trust more and not be likely to follow these kinds of stories.
Bottom line – be honest – raise your children with integrity and love for all humans, close the borders, fix the US and then worry about others. WE cannot just pull out of the commitments we as a nation have entered into with other peoples without a lot of disruption and distruction in their lives but we can stop making commitments we cannot afford. I would rather do some drastic things now than not do anything and keep getting deeper and deeper in debt. I for one don't want to borrow money from the Chinese all the time. We should be strong enough that people want to borrow from us and we have enough citizens in our country to balance our budget and not have to borrow money for every bump in the road that comes along. If we as citizens make the Government enforce the laws we have in effect now and working on how to get heathcare to all citizens without hurting the working people and take care of the hungry and less fortunate citizens while we put into place a system that expects parents to take care of their children. I do believe truancy can accomplish some of these things. I am open for all comments. I do not want people battering me with comments about how stupid or ignorant they think I am. I am looking for constructive feedback that might make me learn if there is flaws in my thinking. I would appreciate grownup conversation only. I love all people. I do not think I am a racist and I do believe we can help other people without hurting ourselves.
You said a many good words in your post, and you have right for most of them. I`m not in U.S. but you said true about illegals. If some1 want to come to live in U.S they need to follow U.S. low and legal apply to go there. And only person who is born in U.S can be president. Dude that is amazing opinion, i`m without words to say anything than i really like your post.
I didn't agree with everything you said, but I do agreee with a lot of it. And I aplaud your sanity and civility.
DO WE HAVE DNA?
I'm very much happy that Bin Laden is dead but I can't figure out why they buried Bin Laden thru the sea. I want to be sure 100% if his really dead...how come they didn't show the dead body...I know they said DNA match but where is the body...I am going to have a piece of mind if they show the body to the American people. Like Hussein they showed the dead body but how come "BIN LADEN" NOTHING?
I say lets hang him upside down by his balls exactly in the middle of where the world trade centers were and crack open a cold one. Why should we be "humane" about how he's buried when our peoples dead burned bodies were drug up and down the streets there?? I say lets just nuke em all n get it over with. Yes the Japanese were against us, but after we dropped 2 of em on them now were allies. Why not do it just 1 more time huh?
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Once again people the's plenty of credit to go aroud. Bush, Obama, Panetta, and countless analysts, teckies, and field agents, and especially SEAl team six.
Enough said.
Now Bin Laden is dead.
Will the US send their troops back from Afghanistan and Iraq to their home in 2-3 weeks or even in 2-3 years to let the Afghan and Iraqis to do their own business?
I don’t think so.
The main reason of Afghanistan and Iraq invasion is to get the oil fields there so the Rockefellers’ oil firms could have more oil fields. They could get more monopoly so they could set the oil price as high as they can.
Another reason is the Loan Shark legend: The Rothschilds could give loan to US government to finance the wars. Currently US public debt is more than US$ 14 trillion. The Rothschilds at least enjoy US$ 14 trillion as interest for long term loan (e.g. Afghanistan war has been 10 years now since 2001). Previously, The Rothschilds gain an enormous fortune for financing British and its allies in Napoleonic War against France (Wikipedia).
The British had to borrow money from the Rothschilds to finance the war.
When the France destroyed, the France also need money (with big interest of course) from the Rothschilds to finance their economic recovery.
Mayer and his sons eventually became bankers to whom the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars of 1792–1815 came as a piece of great good fortune. The wars, for the Rothschilds, meant loans to warring princes (Encyclopaedia Britannica).
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http://muslimjournalist.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-is-dead-who-will-be-the-new-terrorists-now
You are joking right? You do realize the Rockafeller's oil empire was broken up 100 years ago right? And that there's no oil in Afghanistan?
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Obama is a greater threat to the survival of this nation than Osama ever could be. Obama over spent 6.55 trillion during his administration which is 25% more than Bush and in just 4 years instead of 8. He also is trying to bring amnesty to 20+ million illegals and open the border to illegals and is refusing to do his duty he has sworn to do and that is to protect our borders. Obama will bankrupt this country and it will cease to exist if he is reelected. Obama is the greater danger!
I agree with you wowifie !
wowfie & musicmamaf – check your numbers idiots.
I totally agree.. he went out of limits even as a muslim, he did sins.. But no one should actually celebrate people's death.. i mean , seriously.. the teachers in pur school has been teaching us THAT ever since grade 3. And now im in grade 8.. So Weird...
US is just a sucker. Pakistan is just milking the information giving us a little at a time and collecting a lot of money from us. The would never give us Bin Laden but give us others for the milk money.
They knew where he was all the time. We paid them 18 Billion dollars and got some peon terrorist.
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Glad someone supports you but get a life and a sense of reality. WOW never fails!
They have lost a charismatic leader for sure, but as with other groups they are not gone. Al Queda is now a leaderless series of terror cells but they are a series of terror cells none-the-less. Just as the death of Hitler did not get rid of Nazism, the death of bin Laden does not get rid of the ideals of Al Queda.
I dont think his dead. his still alive!
None of this matters anyways. There will be conspiracy idiots on this just like the Kennedy assasination. Obama cannot get away from the fact that he has caused more economic damage to our country than anyone in history. His ratings will go up and then when our celebration has ended he will again be reminded at what a complete failure he is and will continue to be. Yes he did a good thing by giving the OK to take out Bin Laden. That's the only credit he deserves for this. Bush put into action the hunt, and the group that Bush sent out to hunt down Bin Laden is the same group that caught him. Bush is the hero here. Obama just happened to be in the seat when Bush's plan caught Bin Laden. The glory goes to our military forces and Seal team 6. Not some community organizing hack.
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I am so glad Bin Laden is gone forever. I think you readers might my blog about Picasso at http://segmation.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/leonardo-and-picasso-artists-of-their-times-www-segmation-com/. Thanks for allowing my comment.
The world is a better place now that Bin Laden is no longer in it, but that does not mean we are necessarily safer. His death reminded me of the death of a man in the embassy bombings.
http://www.jenniepmartin.com/2011/05/remembering-kenny-edge-of-eternity.html
I'm interested to see how this will affect America on a long term basis. As a person who studies happiness, I find it interesting that the death of one man can bring so much happiness to people. I understand the sense of revenge and relief, but it is still death nonetheless. I prefer to think about happier things instead!
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Bin laden Morreu?
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What a bashing. What a hatred.
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The bottom line is that the man responsible for three thousand american lives being taken from their loved ones is dead. Don't care that he is at the bottom of the sea, Don't care if he was not armed when he was shot by an american hero, Don't care how many people were in the room with him when he died, he put them into that position. Don't care if Pakistan is with us or against us, we will go after whom ever where ever if they take innocent american lives. It is not over there is someone that will try to take his place, hopefully when we learn of the person we won't play games and take care of him then.
It was not about killing 3000 people. Its no different to killing Qaddafi children and grandchildren in targeting him. Or killing the entire family of Mr Laden while getting at him.
Modern warfare as we are shown is about getting at the objective, innocent casualties if any are mere collateral damage.
I only have three questions:
1) How are we to trust the gov't version of any of this given their propensity for lying?
2) How does the timing of this event play into Obama's campaign?
3) How does the timing of this event coincide with an increase in police state activities in the US?
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I agree completely with this article. Nothing much will change with bin Laden's death, and U.S. politics will still be divided.
I think you got it bullseye there. Bin Laden was more of an Icon of a struggle, of a cause. Focus should be the cause. Winning the war is defeating the cause, the rationale behind it.
Getting Mr laden was winning a battle nowhere from winning a war.
'Terrorists', the word as used, is a propaganda word. Mr Bush perhaps was so terrified, so terrorized, to use the word to describe his enemy. Trying to scare, murderous, indiscriminate, may have been fitter words.
I suppose a real terrorist is someone who would say like "get me a knife". And scared, you got yourself one. Then he'd say "now,. cut off your little finger, or else..." And scared, you cut your little finger. And then he demanded all your other fingers off that you also did, or else...And finally he ordered you to kill yourself, or else... And, real terrorized, you you killed yourself as he said.
A real terror, I suppose, make his enemies scamper just hearing him coming. [Mr Bush tagging organizations like the Communist Party of the Philippines, as terrorists is a joke.
And this is why your an idiot..
Bush failed to get Osama during his time as POTUS.. It fact It was the Obama Administration to deflected using the term terrorist or the war on terror... Lest you forgotten "Man Made Disaster" .. as you are doing now.. The reallity here is OBL is dead. the picture/videos should be shown now.. without delay...
More delay raises a doubt.. Of course not in you.. but to these Tribal Muslims.. OBL becomes more than a martyr..
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Superb post.
question of this decade.Muslims need to teach tolerence tho their kids in schools or madrasa so that they understand the values of human life and democracy so that they will not believe on anicient ideas that only muslims are brothers and rest of the world are nonbelievers or infidels and if they convert to some in Islam get full benefits in heaven along with 72 beautiful womens. let our kids give real education and don't blackmail them respect all men women equally and live in a open society and develop tolerence. Why many muslims countries are poorer and those who are rich do less chairtable work and take advantage of poor people by blackmailing them. letus make this world heaven and prosperous for everyone.
So Osama Bin Laden got what he wantes... to die as a martyr
So you'd rather ask in what country you live. A country that officially kills another country's citizen abroad in a foreign country, even without any lawsuit and condemnation. You'll never learn anything...
The MF got off easy...
Shot in the head....
Buried at sea..
Puts more doubt then fact.. You do not want to give the Muslims an Lion ghost against the Wind...
Put this to rest.. Show this MFker death photos, DNA results.. A piece of his F ing ear... Get it done..
Put these International Terrorist and Tyrants (ITT's)on notice.. We will find you and give you Justice..
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We can be sure how this was handled and is being portrayed now involved lots of input from Obama's political advisors. In the end, its all politics. The war on terroism is a side show for this crowd. Until now, just look at the lack of news coverage or publicized Obama time on the issue.
War is symbolic.
The terrorist themselves say 'God willing'. So this should indicate to them 'God's will' concerning OBL and the extremist.
May his followers and his sympathizers repent of their evil against women, children, and the whole of humanity or have the same come upon them as OBL.
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Isn’t the question: What do you do with countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan, which are utterly corrupt, because of the lucrative opium trafficking trade?
In Afghanistan and Pakistan the government (and the military) aid and support the drug traffickers. In fact the government and the military work for and with the drug traffickers.
This multi-billion dollar industry supports the government and military, and it funds terrorism. In many ways what is occurring in Afghanistan and Pakistan is similar to what is occurring in Mexico, because of Mexico’s cocaine and marijuana trafficking to the US.
Isn’t the question: What do you do about the opium trafficking and trafficking of other drugs (e.g., hashish) and other illicit trade in Afghanistan and Pakistan?
And while we’re on the subject: What are we going to do about the cocaine and marijuana trafficking in Mexico?
Every major country has to be on their toes for the next 2 to 10 months in case members of Al-Qaeda retaliate. The only two major Al-Qaeda leaders now are Aymen Al-Zawihiri and another American Muslim man in Yemen who's name i cant remember, they honestly dont have any other major leaders then those two, Al-Zawihiri is the Egyptian leader of the Muslim Brotherhood who are trying to gain control over Egypt right now so finding him will not be much of a struggle. The US government should defiantly be questioning Pakistan. As for the moment of relief over his death lasting we will just have to wait and see.
You all have points that can be considered very good points on where you see it. Personally I think it doesn't matter who did more ground work to get the job done, you all missed the point that its done now point blank period!!! As far as a celebrations if you choose to celebrate publicly that is on you, if you chose to celebrate within your house that is on you. But to celebrate death is uncalled for and no better then them, to celebrate a victory is acceptable to a certain extent. Never should it have become a 3 ring circus all over the news, because all that did was boost us up for a day of emotional victory & satisfaction while we forget that this was the same display of celebration that made us consider them brutes & savages after 9/11 happened to see them celebrate in their country what happened to ours. Not realizing this public display will now fuel them for even more attacks & aggressive violence wether against our troops which I am or once again on our own soil.
again people of hollywood met with those in white house. coming up with something very confusing and time consuming for the benefit of politicians, capitalist, and military men. a little more for those who lost their loved ones on 9/11. let me tell you americans especially politicians...we are not stupid we are only powerless. remember the story of saddam with WMD, now you are in libya doing the same shit. stop it
I agree with what you saying, but even more no pictures of his body, how do you no hes dead and not just an excuse to stay at war because now obama can say well we have suceeded so we will continue to suceed? ,
They say they have DNA , DNA from what you need previous DNA in order to do that an they didnt, and now there saying theres bin laden 2 , his look alike. Just seems a bit secretive to me.
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one common debate is whether killing Osama Bin Laden was a good decision, and will they just retaliate back now. I believe that it was a good thing to kill one of terrorisms biggest icons. It sends the message that our country will not stand by and let other countries attack us. Some say that by retaliating, they will just hurt us more. I do not believe this is the case. America is what it is today because we have shown a great deal of dominance in the world all together, and If we stood by while being attacked by other countries, we would be going against everything we stand for.
it is a good thing we put a stop to one that has done so much damage to our lives and way of thinking and living but to celebrate it is to be like them. and although, with his death, it has lifted him to a status of martyrdom...which in itself is weirdly inhumane.
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