The following is an edited transcript of my conversation with Eliot Spitzer yesterday:
Eliot Spitzer: The question of the moment is: Who actually runs Pakistan?
Fareed Zakaria: The answer to that is pretty clear. It is not the democratically- elected government. It is not the president. It is the military.
I’ll give you one example. The Prime Minister of Pakistan gave a speech and a press conference the other day in which he accused the United States of causing all the problems in the country. The Prime Minister denied any knowledge of bin Laden's whereabouts. I have it from Pakistani sources that his talking points were not written by him and were not written by the Foreign Ministry. They were written for the Prime Minister by the military.
So you literally have a situation where the democratically elected government of Pakistan mouths the talking points that are provided to it by the military.
From our (America's) perspective, is that good or bad? Do we want civilian control, which is perhaps subject to the whims of an electorate that can be swung wildly back and forth given the rhetoric of the moment? Or do we want the stability of the military that perhaps is aligned with our interests?
We've taken the latter view. We've taken the view that at least the military is the only functioning institution in Pakistan and we have to do business with them.
Here's the problem: What we learned in Egypt and Tunisia is that by aligning ourselves with these repressive regimes - with repressive military dictatorships - you get a little bit of short-term stability, but in the long run, you're creating a poisonous anti-Americanism and dysfunction in the society.
So for our purposes, if we want a healthy Pakistan that is not home to jihadists, and one where we can have a normal relationship, we need to support the civilian government, not the military.
You wrote a very potent article in The Washington Post just today saying it is time for us, the United States, to force the Pakistanis to switch power back to the civilian side of the ledger. How can we do that?
We are giving Pakistan billions of dollars of aid. We will give them close to $10 billion of aid over the next three or four years. And this is a poor country.
The the Kerry-Lugar bill, which is the bill that provides most of the civilian aid, actually says that we are meant to guarantee that there's civilian control over the military and that the military is cooperating in the fight against terrorism. The Secretary of State has to report to Congress on this. Neither of those is true but we keep pretending it is.
So are you basically saying it's time to actually enforce the terms of this bill?
I think it is. I think what we have to tell the Pakistanis is that they have a six-month window, or something like that, and after that point the certification will become real, which means the Secretary of State would have to certify that civilians are not in control of the military and that the military is not cooperating. Then I think aid would have to be withheld.
Now the other side of the argument - and there are folks in Congress who are saying let's cut the aid - is if we withdraw the aid (and we tried this about 10, 15 years ago), we merely force Pakistan into the arms of China and other regimes who are waiting to accept them with an open embrace.
What would happen if we were to cut them off? They would harbor al Qaeda terrorists in their territory? They already do that. They would cooperate with other countries? They're already telling the Chinese that they can take a look at the helicopter that went down. So everything that we feared that they could do, they're already doing.
So we're getting the short end of the stick and giving them $20 billion. Why not at least either save the money or get them to do what they're supposed to be doing as a true ally?
Precisely. Now there was one part, though, I think is important to point out: The point here is not to stiff Pakistan. The point is we want to have a healthy relationship with a healthy Pakistan.
Pakistan is half the size of the entire Arab world. It is six times larger in population than Afghanistan. And it is the center of jihadism in the world right now.
So we need to get that society cleaned up and we need to have a better relationship. It's about not supporting a military junta in Pakistan, which is going to create dysfunctions for Pakistan and dysfunctions for our relationship.
But here is the toughest question perhaps: Is the military under any circumstances willing to cede power to the civilian government in Pakistan?
If you look at places like Turkey, Indonesia and now perhaps Egypt, the military never starts out willing to do that - of course not. But a combination of internal pressure and external pressure does make a difference.
In the Turkish case, the most important thing that happened is Turkish democrats pushed from the inside and the Europeans pushed from the outside leading the Turkish military to give up power. I wonder if you could imagine a similar dynamic in Pakistan. But it requires that Pakistan's moderates and liberals also get some spine. It's not going to be enough if just the United States pushes.
Can we help both give those moderates additional support both rhetorically and in any other way? And do we have a relationship with their military sufficient to say to them, “Look, guys, you don't want to actually be the government”?
They don't seem to view us as being well wishers, to be honest with you. They don't trust us. And I think part of that has to do with our relationship with India. So I think what we have to do in this circumstance is worry a little bit less about the sensitivities of the Pakistanis and the Pakistani military, and do the right thing. Do what's right strategically; do what's right politically; support the moderates; but if they take umbrage at some of the things we're saying, tough.
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33,000 Pakistanis have died in this conflict which is not Pakistan's conflict.Pakistan and Afghanistan are actually a one nation.The biggest ethnic group in Afghanistan is pashtun.The population of Pakistani pashtuns is more than twice that of Afghanistan's pashtuns.Other ethnic groups are hazaras and bolach who's popultion in Pakistan is much larger than Afghanistan.Pakistan is fifth most populas country in world and a nuclear power.Population of Afghanistan is less than population of Pakistan's major city Karachi.Over obession of US with Afghanistan is destroying Pakistan.What I mean is that pashtun nationalism is very strong and they have never accepted durand line as border.
It sounds like you are advocating for an independent state of the Pashtuns! If it helps to bring peace between Pakistan and Afghanistan, why not?
I agree! Pashtuns are a total different culture and they already run the tribal area independent of anyone. I am expert: I was married to 1 for 7 years!
How is more meddling (and on what authority) in this regions continuity going to leave the US better off? If anything it will only expose the US to greater and accurate accusations of empire building.
Furthermore, the fact that3/4 of the aid the US gives Pakistans is in military form, does nothing to impress the Pakistani civilians or undermine the rhetoric aimed at the US.
Has anyone considered in listening to what moderate Pakistani's themselves want?
If the amount given in military aidwasspent on schools, education and infrastructure- the US would hold moral hight ground and wouldgain popular support. Also there needs to be a public debate about the use of drones- is it even legal? Even if it weren't targeted assasination (illegal), its certainly counter productive and is causing massive resentment and hatred for the US- isnt that what the USG is supposed to be prefventing instead of stimulating?
USG policy towards Pakistan- epic fail.
fareed zakeria is a meanning less journalist, who works for money, no idelogy and characyter and no meanning is the main theme of these journalist, sometimes the news channels needs some joker to entairtain the audience he is one of them
@hawk. Unfortunately I would rather listen to Fareed's views than to yours! I am sure you are jealous of his knowledge and person.
I think the military in Pakistan has an unique prominence. Fareed has compared it with other military forces in Turkey, Egypt and Indonesia. Turkey has a dynamic civil society and a strong parlament, which had reduced the influence of the country's military in a constitutional reform 2001.
Indonesia has a long history of military rule since the coup d'etat 1958 and seen regime change with help of the military. With the stepping down of Suharto 1998 did the army lose gradually its iron grip on the country. The democratisation process since then is on the right path.
The military in Egypt is widely revered by the people and the peaceful revolution in February saw the topple of Mubarak's regime without bloodshed.
Pakistan's army would one day face the same destiny as its Indonesian peers towards Suharto's political demise, if it doesn't engage in self reflection and re-invent itself. I think the top shots don't adopt a long term perspective on the amry's future, they just want to stuff their pockets as long as they can. A corrupt army is always poison to any civilian government and its people.
Would support Fareed's approach maybe give it several months to 2 years, then if that country remains a center of terrorism and a threat to world peace I favor CHD's suggestion to forcibly oust Pakistan's military... but first we'd have to strip them of their nukes.
Isn't it hilarious that we went into Iraq which did not have WMDs and wasn't a threat. But Pak is a threat and they do have those weapons and one of their own, a physicist named Khan exported the technology to other dangerous states.
j. von hettlingen for President 2012. Fareed for Secretary of State. Thomas Friedman for Vice President. Jesse Ventura Secretary of Defense.
Signed,
damnimgood
@Truth
You are either pushing for an expansionist Pakistan or possibly a Pashtuland.
If it's the former, all the more reason why India, Iran USA and Central Asia should beware. If it's the former though, rest assured it's a pipe dream. The Punjabi Sunni dominated Pakistani army will not let that happen.
it will be called Pastunstan not Pastunland.
@ram
like the name even matters.... it's only a pipe dream anyway.
Sunni dominated Punjabi army has to tried to expand into Afghanistan and India. They succeeded in grabbing Baluchistan and one third of Kashmir.
@Ameer Uddin Siddiqui
The problem is with you, Pakistanis. It is in your blood to suck out as much from your mentor until it won't allow any more of that. Instead of benefitting from the friendship to further the improvement of democracy in Pakistan and improve public education and economy, your anti-India obsession has always provoked you to find an ally who would further your cause for this obsession than to breathing power required for self improvement.
So, eventually your new ally China would see this and would escape out when you would need them most. The best help Pakistan can get is from within and NOT from outside. Unless you realize that your ambitional expectation from China will not be anything different than today's relationship with USA. Another 20 years of the current state of affairs would see your country breaking apart and Pakistan would be history for ever.
It is pity that Pakistanis are so rigid to accept a diabolical change and never learn from history !!!
So it seems there is a need reorganize the territory. Sindh and Punjab should be a new Pakistan. Rest of the areas should go to Afghanistan. Problem solved.
Pushtun area in Afganistan should be part of Pakistan because Pushtuns majority are not given there proper share in Afgan goverment in and that causes all the bloodshed b/w Tajik, Hazara and Uzbiks and Pushtuns. Pushtuns in Pakistan are more prosper and educated. Large portion of Pakistan army is pushtun and they served as President and Generals in Pakistan.
I agree with you. The Baluch however will prefer to join India.
Truth you're absolutely right!
Pakistan Zindabad, Afghanistan Zindabad. Hind margabad wa murdabad.
Keep dreaming. If one look at history, you will find barbaric nature of your people. Your destiny is premature death, because your thought process is of mediveal times
I think US should keep the DRONE surveillance on, US should not trust the bloody PAKIS, look what happened in the recent past, 6 years OSAMA was hiding inside Pakistan, is it even possible without PAKI government support. US was taken for a ride & they paid in BILLIONS of $$$ for it.
Mr. "Sayem" displays the precise problem with Pakistan: that it is a state which is based entirely on one ideology – the hatred of the "Kafir" Hindus. When an entire state is based on such hatred, the results are catastrophic, as the world is witnessing.
AFGHANISTAN ZINDABAD
BHARAT,INDIA ZINDABAD
AMRIKA ZINDABAD
BALOCHISTAN ZINDABAD ( ALAG MULK , SEPARATE NATION)
PAKISTAN MURDABAD
DRONES DRONES AND DRONES TO PAKISTAN 
SO MANY TERRORISTS SWARMING THE PLACE 
AND @Sayem sympathises with them
Dyaln, if you look at Rdreddy's comment, it would seem that perhaps some Hindus are the ones harboring bigotry against Muslims. The same could be said for some of the other comments from Indians here. In any case, the issues here are far more complex than simply religious bigotry on the part of Hindus or others.
I used to be impressed by you Fareed Zakaria. Your Analysis and your articles I have been reading since you were editor of Newsweek. But it seems now you are becoming more and more an Indian mouth piece and a sensational journalist, feeding the crowds with spicy curry gossips,in fact the company itself CNN is becoming more and more biased and seems vis a vis like Fox News which atleast stands on its ground. Getting back to the point, as a Pakistani, Fareed we moderates want US to stop the "aid", because that "form" of aid is not helping us WE DON'T WANT IT,we would rather build our relationship with our time tested Ally "China" who has honor and does not back stab us like US has done countless number of times. I am also aware Fareed that the comment section that are always open whenever there is a news on Pakistan; are crawling with propagandist hate mongering people who's only job is nefariously to sow hatred. And Fareed something you should reiterate to the world that on the matter of Muslims well we are 1.5 billion more then half of the worlds population, and we are here to STAY. And just like that there are some bad apples in a bunch, so the average Americans, it seems after my analysis are too dumb to reason because what the media feeds them they accept it, so I hope and pray that the American media enlightens its public with positive outlook, because my friend that will make or break the harmony in the world.
@ Ameer Uddin Siddiqui – so 1.5 billion Muslims is half of the worlds' population? Since you evidently don't know there are approximately 7 billion people on the world, and half of that would be 3.5 billion people, I'll have to question the rest of your arguments. Besides, in this article I read nothing from Mr Zakaria that was anti-Mulslim, or wishing the Muslims would "go away", as you say, so, again, you shoot yourself if the foot.
And this tact of claiming people are "anti-Mulslim" when they raise almost any issue about problems in the Arab world is really childish. Get over yourselves.
If pakistan zindabad, I pity you. You have no sense of reality and may you wake up one day to realize that the country you are supporting is actually living on alms from other country.
Ohhh..... dude.. just take a look at your country before you say 'Hind murdabad'. your country is a sick, perverted, rouge state which has 90% of the world's terrorists. HOw is it even possible that a criminal like bin laden is in your safe haven for 6 years and your govt says,' it did not know that'. ARe they trying to profes smartness or show to the world how stupid & criminal they are?
And on a diff note, great analysis and opinion Zakeeria. I totally agree with Z.
Spoken like a true Paki.
The fight is yours because terrorists are harbored, financed, and trained inside your country and your military is not willing to eradicate them. The fight is yours because your ISI is in league with the terrorists it sends into Afghanistan (and India).
Pakistan is the real problem, not Afghanistan. Pretending it's a Pashtun issue is like saying Canada is part of the United States because the majority of people there are white and speak English.
So clean up your country before we clean it up for ya!
Good and valid point..................the military in Pakistan control that country and Fareed is correct in stating there has to be a moment of truth.............however..........let us not forget that Pakistan is nuclear capable and the military is in control..............this is clearly a huge problem.........no doubt that Pakistan could be handled if need be but in the process they could cause monumental damage..............
Paki nukes are irrelevant. That's why we let them have them. We have the delivery systems to eliminate any part of the globe we wish to in about 20 minutes. The Pakis need to clean up their bad guys, or we will do it.
Bruce^^ LOL @ your delivery system don't worry when that happens we will just dump everything on India and feel glorified like USA did when it started war in Iraq after losing in Vietnam LOL and Korea LOL . Rather than fighting us Pakistan a nation that is just 60 yrs old you Americans need to take some one your own size,"China" is not going to be Russia. So rather then burning bridges with Pakistan,ya'll need your momaa to smack some sense into your kind.
who bombed iraq and murdered 1.5 millions,who bombed japan the insane and the bloody parasites on earth,who created osama,its CIA read the history,who is the rogue military and nation,who supports rebels and topples democracies who assasinate elected leaders,who threat democracies and the nations ,who pokes nose in the affairs of other countries,who act as dictator worse than nazi,who dance on the tunes of insane and sick blood thirsty jews,who get brainwashed by biased,racist and hate mongering media like CNN,BBC fox the answer is USA and americans(not all civilians)
This is NOT Pakistan's war. It has been imposed on us by the US actions in Afghanistan. Apparently, you guys aren't capable enough to catch/kill the terrorists and just run them into Pakistan. Suicide bombings in Pakistan only started in 2004 after the US twisted Pakistans arms into taking military action against terrorists that they were too inept to get themselves....F U and your money!. Pakistan was doing fine before American aid and will do fine with it gone. STOP THE FUCKING AID!!! take your money, shove it and GTFO!!!
Meh: Yes, it is Pakistan's war. It became Pakistan's war the moment that it continued to support the Taliban even after the 1998 Embassy bombings. Pakistan supported the Taliban, which sheltered Al-Qaeda, and Bush was the one that told them to stop and support the U.S. Pervez Musharraf signed Pakistan on and had it begin to receive US aid to fight terrorists for the U.S. Yes, this is Pakistan's war.
"Apparently, you guys aren't capable enough to catch/kill the terrorists and just run them into Pakistan."
Not capable enough? The borders between Afghanistan and Pakistan are porous. The US knew it would happen. Pakistan knew it would happen. It was an inevitability that needs to be accepted.
But Pakistan has always had Islamic fundamentalists, because Pakistan wants saps that it can use to fight India. Also the Taliban were formed in Pakistan, but didn't operate there originally
"F U and your money!." – The Pakistani government isn't saying that.
"Pakistan was doing fine before American aid and will do fine with it gone. STOP THE FUCKING AID!!! take your money, shove it and GTFO!!!"
Pakistan wasn't doing "fine" – Pakistan supported Islamic fundamentalists for long periods, and once Pakistan changed course, the mad doggie that Pakistan raised began to bite its master.
While the US opened its purse strings to fund the Mujahideen in the Soviet conflict in Afghanistan, it was Pakistan that trained them. For that case, it was understandable that neither the US and Pakistan would see the problem in doing that (muhajdeen believing that it can take down anyone, and that it now needed to fight all enemies of Islam), but Pakistan continuing to support the Taliban after the embassy bombings was inexcusable
Yakobi is from a falling empire clinging on by the coat tails. You colonizers will soon sound like the Arabs, delusions of grandeur from broken houses of glass.
If Pakistan and Afghanistan are one nation, wasn't India and Pakistan one nation even before?
And the current Pakistan and Bangladesh were once one country. The truth is that Pakistan is still largely tribal in orientation and could split several more ways in the future.
The world problem are the Pakistani politicians these peoples are the main source of creatiing terriorirst, coz what ever the money they get in the form of aids they never let these money to reach common peoples of pakistan, look president he is famous for his corrouption., look primeminister how many times he appionted the most illligitamte peoples in the main sourcse of pakistan economy look the ministers they are building the assets out of the country, i wish again that if American and western world also focus on these corroupt politicians assets all over the world they will better fight against terriorism
This is a typical response from Pakistan. The civilian leadership has no control over the military or security matters. The PM can't fire the army chief. The Military has a stranglehold over the finances of the state. Every time a civilian government threatens the military's hegemony, there is a coup. Pakistan Military has directly ruled the country for over half of its 60+ years of existence.Pointing fingers at civilians is pointless. Sorry for the pun.
imrurooj
Aslamu Alaikum hawk. the world problem is AMERICA.. and i want to add my thinking. This whole Darama which started from 09-11 is performed by Americans, The Americans are true Actors. I admire their acting. They eleminate World Trade Centre, to use their new weapons and to satisfy their hate for MUSLIMS. For this purpose they trooped Araq, Afghanistan, and know trying to Pakistan. I want to ask from Americans in 09-11 they lost some thousands, but for them they killed millions. I want to say u Americans, the NATION of PAKISTAN is never want ur aid ever. You spend ur money for ur CHAMCHAS OR PETS. Your Aid never used for the benifit of Eney single Pakistani So a Pakistani never want ur AID. Your Pet DOGS only want this. And don't Blame our millatary, and Pakistani's. We sacrifice our Father,s Brothers, Mothers ans Sisters for our FREEDOM. And know this is not very difficult for us to sacrifice us for our freedom. Dear Americans so please think again to trooped PAKISTAN.
Well said! Baluchistan should secede from the pariah nation (?) of Pakistan. Baluchis have nothing to do with the repressive Paki Punjabi military regime. Free Baluchistan!!!
To Pakistanis who bring up Kashmir to deceive the world and hide all blame
,here is the truth
Lets GIVE BALOCHISTANIS a chance for vote to decidde if they wanna continue to be part of Pakistan
(
that discriminated agaInst Bengalis and now Balochis )
A failed state
BALOCHISTAN WANTS PLEBISCITE AND FREEDOM FROM PAKISTAN.Pakistan stop discriminating against people of Balochistan where they do not get revenue spent on their development after their mineral wealth is eaten away by Pakistani state.
FREEDOM FOR BALOCHISTAN.
There's a truth in what he is saying. The Punjabi-dominated military controls Pakistan. I think even the Sindhis are not too happy at the status quo
ASlamu Alaikum u mr freeblauchistan. i want to say u only one thing. a little bruanch is not matter a tree matter which hold it strongly and save it from every storm.
Break India by declaring freedom in the Republic of Kashmir, Republic of Khalistan, Republic of Assam, Republic of Junnagardh, oh wait, India is pretty quickly dissappearing from the map
Within a decade no more India, welcome to the republics of Kashmir, Khalistan, Assam and Junagardh. Bye bye stinking piece of crap, aka Hindistan 
Majority of those Pashtuns who live in Pakistan are refugees from Afghanistan so they have been toughened by American war against Soviets, Remember these were same people who defeated mighty Russia, America is just trying to blame Pakistan for their failures, Pakistan can't do much than what ever they have already done, American target was terrorism, not Pashtuns, they should go back to their home and care about their own seniors, making this war a war against Islam is not going to help any body. Yes ISI was involved with Mujaheddin, so were Americans. you can't accuse only single party. America was in Afghanistan first to hunt down Osama, than they attacked Iraq because they hated Muslims , now they want another war with another Muslim country. So they are spreading rumors and false accusations as they did against Iraq.
True. But the CIA was only providing material and resources. The ISI was the middleman distributing the CIA largesse and controlling who got what. That bis how they got control of the country.
Aslamu Alaikum reality. I totally agree with u. and i want to add my thinking. This whole Darama which started from 09-11 is performed by Americans, The Americans are true Actors. I admire their acting. They eleminate World Trade Centre, to use their new weapons and to satisfy their hate for MUSLIMS. For this purpose they trooped Araq, Afghanistan, and know trying to Pakistan. I want to ask from Americans in 09-11 they lost some thousands, but for them they killed millions. I want to say u Americans, the NATION of PAKISTAN is never want ur aid ever. You spend ur money for ur CHAMCHAS OR PETS. Your Aid never used for the benifit of Eney single Pakistani So a Pakistani never want ur AID. Your Pet DOGS only want this. And don't Blame our millatary, and Pakistani's. We sacrifice our Father,s Brothers, Mothers ans Sisters for our FREEDOM. And know this is not very difficult for us to sacrifice us for our freedom. Dear Americans so please think again to trooped PAKISTAN.
Zakaria mentioned that Pakistan don't trust US partly becasue US has good relations with India....DONT JUST TALK GIVE SOME RESOLUTION.....
Option 1- Do not keep good relations with India ...is that what you meniotned??( what??? possible??? NO)
Option 2 – Find some other ways to gain the trust between US-Pakistan.....which what we saw couple of days before , that is impossible ....My suggestion to Pakistan is provide good education to all people for better life....
What? Are you trying to say Pakistan is in love with terrorists, then? When a country harbor terrorism, support it, and protect it, then it is going to be drawn into war. But Pakistan has been successfully able to fool the whole world especially America/Americans until now that it is against terrorism, which is clearly not. The point is whether we, as global citizens, want to force Pakistan to act as responsible partner or just give Pakistan/Pakistanis to make lies after lies to cover up what they have been doing for decades. India has been suffering from Pakistan's lies and support to terrorists and now it is America who is going through.
Everyone knows Fareed is from India and he is naturally biased against Pakistan he just can't help. His analysis has never been fair to Pakistan although he claims he has resources inside Pakistan (may be CIA resources??? hmmm). Every Pakistani has condemned every kind of terrorism but at the same time unilateral actions are against international laws. Conveniently Fareed is always quiet about India's killings of indian citizens in Kashmir, does that mean that USA or Pakistan should use drones against Indian Army? Shame on CNN to use him to propagate anti Pakistan agenda. Taliban killed 80 soldiers in Pakistan yesterday, good luck finding CNN or Fareed being concerned about that, for them that's not a breaking news. That's exactly the reason Pakistanis now think that their sacrifices don't mean anything to US and CIA may well be even working with Taliban to kill innocent Pakistanis.
Ah Yes ; Zakaria Mister Greencard is SILENT on INdia's gross human rights violations in Kashmir. He is gross silent on how India dealt with the Khalistan crisis. HE IS SILENT on how Indian Hindus slaughtered Sikhs in 1984 after Indira Gandhi was assassinated on Oct 31st. Indian Govt. goons led by Jagish Tytler and other goons in and around Delhi SLAUGHTERED thousands of innocent Sikhs and raped a lot of Sikh Punjabis. It armed and trained Tamil Tigers; Then it later intervened just as the Sri Lankan army had the Tamil Tigers surrounded. later they "Forced" the invitation to come in as the "peace keeping force" named IPKF to so called guarantee the peace between GOSL and the Tamil tiger terrorists. As part of that agreement Tigers were supposed to disarm. They did not.(they were afterall created by Motherrrrr India). So GOSL demanded they honor the peace pact. India went to war with Tigers and lost 1,200 soldiers and also raped and murdered a lot of Tamils in the war zone. the woman who blew up Rajiv Gandhi later was one such Tiger suicide terrorist who was raped by Indian troops. it is called "INDIA'S VIETNAM: and they had to withdraw later when the nationalist President of Sri lanka took office(President Premedasa) ; he was in turn blown up by Tamils in 1993. India is viewed as a regional bully by Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka and Maldives while Pakistan is not viewed the same way. How about that for justifying your greencard Fareed?
Typical response from Pakistanis here.
When an argument put forth is not to their liking, they discredit the author/writer.
Oh yeah, Pak is the sweetest country in the world which is unfortunately going through bad times for reasons totally not of their own making.
Their macho army and ISI, the pride of their entire nation now look like a bunch of incompetent fools. So, they will have to accept that they actually harbored OBL. However, that's not palatable to the world. So, they don't know what to say and what not to. There are out here throwing mud in all directions.
What significance does Pakistan even have to be considered capable of throwing weight around for a good cause or bad? All that Pakistan can do is invite people to their country and manipulate them with the advantage of their geographic positioning. Other than that, the only unique product you produce is fcV k1ng terrorists.
People should also know that Pakistanis LIE, and KILL! If some of you acually believe they're are allies? It's my opinion you are nor knowledgeable about how untrustworthy this Country really is! I wish India would put the squeeze on them!
Reality is Farid Zakaria always thinks as an Indian and expresses his hatred for pakistan on every forum. He's got nothing to say about human right abuses in Kashmir or massacre of 6000 muslims in Gujrat or rape of christian nuns in India. His only goal is complete destruction and humilation of Pakistan ( read his father's book – Jinnah the man who divided India) Army generals in Pakistan are on CIa 's payroll, however, after Israel Pakistan has been only US's "allied ally" in the region for the past 60 years wether it was through Seato or Cento. India was of only 11 countries in the world which supported occupation of soviets of Afghanistan. Pakistan has always taken orders from the US and if we ditch them now, it's a bad msg for all our allies.
imrurooj
Aslamu Alaikum mj. I totally agree with u. and i want to add my thinking. This whole Darama which started from 09-11 is performed by Americans, The Americans are true Actors. I admire their acting. They eleminate World Trade Centre, to use their new weapons and to satisfy their hate for MUSLIMS. For this purpose they trooped Araq, Afghanistan, and know trying to Pakistan. I want to ask from Americans in 09-11 they lost some thousands, but for them they killed millions. I want to say u Americans, the NATION of PAKISTAN is never want ur aid ever. You spend ur money for ur CHAMCHAS OR PETS. Your Aid never used for the benifit of Eney single Pakistani So a Pakistani never want ur AID. Your Pet DOGS only want this. And don't Blame our millatary, and Pakistani's. We sacrifice our Father,s Brothers, Mothers ans Sisters for our FREEDOM. And know this is not very difficult for us to sacrifice us for our freedom. Dear Americans so please think again to trooped PAKISTAN.
Pakistan became what it is today from the Republican Reagan era of calling Bin laden and all these Taleban jihadists "Freedom fighters" and arming, training and financing them via Pakistan.. Then after 9.11 when Pakistan's dictator Musharaff decided to back Pakistan the game and stakes became even higher and dangerous. But during the Cold war we backed Pakaistan because india was seen as a secular but socialist democracy getting all their weapons from the Soviet Union. Poor Pakistan has lost more civilians(>32,000), more soldiers(>5000) and had more suicide, and terrorist bombs(>1000) since it backed US. SO PLEASE do not make this a simple black and white issue Mister Greencard Zakaria. and you want to portray India in a good light so be it but do not forget how India armed trained and financed Tamil Tigers and later violated International law by violating Sri Lanka's airspace and then strutting around like a Peacock and invaded Sri lanka.
A drunken English Lord draw the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. This is not a joke. That's how Pashtuns
ended on the both sides. Families were divided and never accepted the fact that they have to live in two countries.
Lord,however,went on drinking.
Actually Mrs. Mountbatten was in bed with uncle Nehru as well.
In Pakistan, the military is running the show... In the US the zionists are running the show.. the zionists are like pimps telling the prostitutes aka politicians what the policy are going to be enforced and followed....
I happened to watch this Fareed Zakaria stooge show the other day, and his malice towards Pakistan was nauseatingly obvious, I googled him and just what I had guessed , Haram ki aulad. His dad was a muslim member of the congress ie some one who took money from the Brits to kill other Muslims . His behavior makes more sense now, what else can you expect from illegitimate ( haram) offsprings.
waoo and your are a paki lady ... must be a big time muslim rand lol
Let me get this straight: Insurgents have killed 33,000+ Pakistani citizens on their own soil and it is not "your war"? How can a modern civilized nation tolerate such a thing in their own country?
Actually half of those were probably CLEANSED by drone attacks. From Pakistan's trusted ally the United States of Hypocrisy.
Truth, you are omiting the truth...Majority Bengalis did not want to be ruled by minority Punjabis nor do minority Pashtun in Pakistan want to be ruled by the now Majority PUnjabi estbalishment and populace. With the figures you are giving those who do not know about Pashtuns, you fail to give your which is you wants the Pashtuns united but in the control of Islamabad,PUNJAB to be used against anyone ISI/Paki army dislikes or can blackmail. PAshtuns are independent minded and intolerant to slavery status, for you to suggest Pashtuns would accept slavery under the PUnjabi army and government run by Punjabis Terrorists, Pashtuns would never accept anything less than Majority status..Pashtuns in Khyber-Pakhtunkwa and Afghanistan consider themselves Afghans- they do not fall into the trap of Pakistani who have imposed terrorism and war on Pashtuns and Afghanistan in order to depopulate them and destroy their foundation via using terrorism. to think Pashtuns who have been denied basic right in Pakistan would submit to Punjabi rule is wishful thinking...
A Cat has 9 lives.
Pakistan has alway played double game.
1. It got away with AQ Khan issue.
He was a true and honest guy. But was made a Scapegoat.The Military/ISI was running the whole show from start.
2. It got away with 9/11 blame.
3. It got away with Daniel Pearl killing. He uncovered some hidden secrets So had to be killed by Military/ISI.
4. It got away with 26/11 blame.
5. It got away with Osama blame.
Next is line is Mullah Omar getting killed in Quetta in a Osama like operation.
Lets see how long the Cat survives fooling others. America has no option but to have a blind eye on the stuff as they are not running the show anymore.
The Military/ISI always needs is
1. Money(AID:We are poor and suffering).
2. Arms(We will use it against Talibans.....finally the arms are deployed on the Eastern Borders with India to kill Taliban there)
What they do not need is
1. Stability: that will stop the AID.
China uses Pak to counter the dominance of India. It is a manufacturing leader. It never outsourced jobs to Pak and help them. It always helped them build new war planes.
Hope I get Peace.
fareed should worry more about his nation india than pakistan majority of the country smells and is a slum for some reason indians think u.s is there friend yea i be your friend if i was business owner and can get labor from slumdogs for 1/8 of what i would pay an american IT .99 cents an hour at your service helllo come gaiannn
See thats the problem ... you wish u were buisness owner .. in reallity you can only dream of bieng buisness owner .. your pak race are born to be taxi drivers or labourors .. as seen in wide world ... you pple work on cash or under table .. there are .1 paks who earn reall living ... on other hands Indians slum dwellers work and there ass off and earn living ... you guys are human diappers .. world can just shit in you pple and dump you away or you pple are useless tools
@Truth: not Pakistans problem? Not their war?? really?? This is the whole point, you guys are sticking your heads in the sand and acting as if everything was fine before the US got there...this is unbelievably preposterous. Pakistan has been a pathetic excuse for a nation for its ENTIRE EXISTENCE. It has yet to do anything about the vast amount of problems and rampant tribalism and radicalism that has been a persistent issue for the last 50 years. If anything, the government has been supporting all this. This war is YOUR war, it's your chance to take your country back from the radicals and tribal elites. Stop pointing the finger at America, we are only there because you are harboring men who killed 3000 innocent American civilians, and you are doing nothing about it. What do you want us to do, sit back and wait for another attack? If you cant control your terrorist problems, and those terrorists are actively seeking to kill Americans, then guess what? WE WILL CONTROL YOUR PROBLEMS IN THE BEST WAY WE SEE FIT. Life is not fair, America is more powerful than Pakistan, and if Pakistan refuses to get on board with the rest of the world, well then good luck.
Steve is blind. He just started following Pakistan on his twitter account. He asks what is Pakistan doing? Seriously? Which attacks did Pakistan orchestrate against the US? Although the US does KILL Pakistani citizens almost every day (drone attacks). Oh no wait all of those 5 year olds in the house were terrorists!
The current Pakistani regime is the most corrupt in the nation's history. The Pakistani's hate it and want free and fair elections, something the Americans oppose. Most Pakistanis want a functioning democracy and the rule of law. Hatred for America comes because we support this government. The head of the government is a crook who did time for corruption. Many in Pakistan believe he had his wife murdered so he could get her job. What America must do is to make the aid dependent on free and fair elections supervised by the United Nations. A government that has the true support of the Pakistani people would not allow the military to push it around. This is what actually happened in Turkey when the democratically elected government stopped a planned military coup. The Americans want a Pakistani government it can order around. The Pakistanis resent being treated like a colony, even if the Americans give them all that money. Much of the aid is military, meaning lots of it goes to the ICI, which, in turn, provides aid to the Taliban. So America is paying Pakistan to support out enemies in Afghanistan. And Americans are OK with this? It stops or we are out of there.
Pakistani tribal pashtun belt has rebelled against centre beacause there brethen in Afghanistan are dying and they are being showered with drones while the centre is a silent spectatcle and also because under US orders Musharraf ordered Pakistan army to enter this himalayan region which has never been governed by centre in last 2,000 years due to it's unique geography
That's because they're terrorists and deserve what they get!
For sure! Nuke them all! They aint humans! Damn soviets...ummm PAKIS!
People mix Islam with society customs.Girls education is compulsory in Islam,Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) said,"It is obligatory for every man and woman to get education"Working women are allowed in Islam.Prophet(PBUH) own wife used to earn her own living. etc etc
I support you my brother Truth. May Allah help you.
Don't listen to what swarthy skinned sycophants (aka Fareed Zakaria and likes) are saying on govt. mouthpieces.
I though Osama was tall and Skinny like the rest of Taliban
Yeah. Listen to Bin Laden, Ayatollah Khomeini and Mullahs with both feet on fatwa button. The world would be a lot more peaceful. Fareed is only pointing out the political structure of Pakistan. No need to launch a religious tirade against him.
Tell that to your Taliban friends who blow up schools and throw acid in girls' faces for attending classes. Liar!
@Yakobi
India was, is, and will be a giant piece of stinking crap, pretending to be a modern country. What a shame for the entire Indian nation and her nationals that their compatriots survive by eating rats and dwelling in ultra shanty slums, which are among the worst products of human civilization. Vast majority of your pathetic country lives below poverty line. India ranks at the top among countries with highest instances of AIDS and HIV infections. No wonder one of the Central Asian ruler of India said that I'll sacrifice entire India for the sweet fragrance of my beloved Kabul
Well said Yakobi.
Taliban are the filth of this Earth. Hope the drones will eradicate all their Leaders.
@Sayem: Most of your posts are hate filed garbage of your sewer variety. But I am compelled to answer this one. Fine, India has some problems as a nation. Most other nations do have problems. Even the lone superpower USA has problems of its own. Look at Japan, a powerful, advanced nation dealing with natural disaster. Now look at yourself and Pakistan – Do you even come close to being developed or developing ? Pakistan seems to be in reverse gear, pretty soon it would go back after the time of Prophet Muhammad. What do you have to show for progress ? Nuclear weapons that too begged and borrowed from China ??? On every thing else, Pakistan seems centuries behind India – although Pakistan seperated from India in just 1947. But look at where India is today and where are you guys with all your hatred. Shame on you and your sewer mentality.
@Desi Begged and borrowed from China?? No, All their assets are stolen from other countries or got by black marketing to rouge nations in return of other assets( A.Q Khan, Iran, North Korea, Syria). They are blinded and burned with jealousy towards India. Just hoping, instead of the hatred towards India, they will realize one day how much growth and progress of nation and people they missed by this blindness and how much the world hate them for what they did and doing. Never seen any nation with so much hate exporting to other parts of the world, be it towards India or western world or middle east. A failed nation by its own leaders and military. You can pretend to sleep over issues and blame west or India for all your problems but wake up, walk with world else you are going to perish. No point of being jealous with other nation, learn to compete with them in terms of progress. Leave the kiddish mentality, grow up and start to accept reality.
@ Sayem.
You responded to Yakobi win an Anti-India hate speech??? His comment was no where near anythign to do with India or Indians.
You bloody racist Freak! go spread your hate elsewhere. Its sad really! What can you even say to a Filthy pakistani given the history of their people and culture, and proud.
God save the World.
Sayem, Why do you bring India into this. Your country trains and exports jihadists all over the world. Coming from a country that is several times poorer than India, your comments are rich. Why doesn't your army invest jihad funds in education and development?
i am so glad fareed is from India and India is packed with sane muslims who love each other not like muslims in pak killing each other ... proud to be Indian muslim
Those who hate Islam should study Islam.Islam is the only religion is the only religion that has not only survived the onslaught of science but has been strengthened by it.Day by day science discoveres things which have already been mentioned in Quran.Read this book,
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm
It's also the only religion that can't get along with anyone else, including members of the same religion!
What can I say...Well said
There are too many religions...............we adhere to our religions............religions have caused wars..........if all religions were set aside..................maybe humanity would get along better...........if the entire world shared a common and peaceful political ideology along with the demise of all religions...............you would then have Utopia on earth..........but.........too many people are religiously and politically brainwashed..............it is a shame that we simply cannot get along together.............
I was married to a Pashtun for 7 years. He grew up in Islamabad and from a decent/modern/moderate family. After a while, his U.S. relatives tried to pressure me into converting so I decided to read the Koran and you know what happened next? I got slapped in the face by another male in the house for it!!!!! I was told women are not allowed to read the Koran. I have nothing against Islam. In fact, I agree with many of its ideologies but I want to know where do these people get those crazy ideas? among other things about the Koran I was told included: not wearing makeup and apparently not showering...
zakria is indian, obv hell never talk about the Indian support for terrorists in Pakistani Baluchistan and the way the Indian army killed thousands of innocent people in Kashmir..not to mention the sikhs in 1984.. i wonder when zakria will talk about that
I feel sad for u ..for marrying a satan.
I think you are lying.
Truth, you need another name, something more accurate - "Lies" would work.
It is true Osama was a terrorist who killed innocent civilians which is not allowed in Islam.Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) said,'Killing one person is equal to killing whole humanity.'
Osama never killed anyone. This is all India's fault
Quran cannot be altered.It is still the same as it was when it was first revealed.Earliest copies of Quran from the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) are still available.Mulims have been memorising Quran from the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) on his order.Mulims believe in divine nature of Bible but believe that with time Bible has been corrupted and amended by humans.With Quran,God has taken it upon Himself to protect Quran from corruption for all eternity.Some examples of scientific facts in Quran:
It has been mentioned that earth revolves around sun and is round
It has been mentioned that moon has no light of it's own and reflects sun's light
It has been mentioned that no planet is stationary and sun too revolves and this is a very recent scientific discovery
The process of making of human feutus has been described to perfection etc etc etc
Verse?
Don't know about all issues, but for fetus, verses are scattered and you will find some of them here:
39:6
23:13- 23:14
32:9
22:5
Thank you Syed for the truth.
this sounds like religious zealousness that spawns the kind of violence, ignorance, and hatred generally practiced by extremists. we need to move away from injecting every political issue with a dose of religion. History has shown the two simply cannot exist together in the same institution. your self-righteous fanatical posts are completely irrelevant to the topic and inspired by racism towards Zakaria, and Indians. He is proposing a solution that tackles the societal problems in a modern way.
You got it Sir.
Do a search on the word 'Islam' of this page and see where it appears for the first time. Fareed Zakaria does not even mention it once in his interview.
Also try looking up 'Quran' and 'Koran' on this page.
You will know what the counter argument is.
Quran was written by a man. A human with his own failings. An opportunist who took the teachings of Jesus that were convenient, added his own things that he found convenient, got an army to stuff it down people's throats or die - no true prophet of peace would do these things. Islam is by nature insecure - enforced by coercion, violence, forced ignorance of the larger world - a mere cartoon sets off millions. If they're really such true believers, they should be able to ignore such and get on with their lives knowing they're living in the truth. But they don't because deep inside something is telling them their life revolves around a ridiculous, violent, oppressive fairy tale.
The process of fertilization and formation of an embryo is not perfect in the Koran. It says that the sperm originates in the stomach, when we know that it is not so.
Yeah! It was published by Penguin/HarperCollins and never modified after the first edition. You know whats the main problem with you guys? Lack of Tolerances towards other religion and other people's views
Writing is very much a human art, no matter what anyone tells you a book always has one or more human authors. Now the question to ask is, who benefits by perpetuating a lie? The truth, dear friend, is that people have used all kinds of tools to get & maintain power over other people. Examples, without limitation, include 'divine right of kings', 'brute force', 'nationalism', 'fear', 'rewards / incentives', 'appeal to feeling of loyalty', ... the list could go on for ever. But the most effective tool of control, ever invented by man, is religion. And like any weapon of war, religion can be used to defend and protect a way of life; or it can be used to invade and destroy. What specific religion does not matter, what matters is the skill with which the soldiers wield their swords and the cunning with which the generals command the soldiers. Religion is a weapon, and like all weapons, it depends upon the person wielding the weapon whether it is used for maintaining peace or it is used to wage war.
So the question is not whether Islam is a better religion, the question is whether it is used mostly to maintain peace or wage war? The answer cannot be in blaming the weapon, the answer has to be in eliminating the generals who control the soldiers firing the guns.
When people talk about Pakistan being a terrorist state they CANNOT mean that the people of Pakistan are mostly terrorists! That simply is not true. The people of Pakistan are like people anywhere and everywhere on this earth. They like good food, they are moved by music, they are compassionate, they love just the same, they aspire for the same things, they feel pain and they experience joy just the same. So what then does it mean that Pakistan is a terrorist state? All it means is that the formal leadership (civilian and military) and/or the informal leadership in Pakistan are using religion as a weapon of destruction against the world (including Pakistan itself).
Very persuasive presentation. The Catholic Church is another example
It is a fact that the Quran was not put in writing till over a 100 years after the prophets death. Till then it was passed by word of mouth as the Prophet could not write.
Before Inndians come over here and start bashing Pakistan,a brief history of hinduism and Pakistan.Hinduisim was a religion created by occupying Aryans to inslave local Indians,the dravidians.As a result the aryans became the upper caste hindus while the poor,stupid locals became shudras(the untouchables) and other lower castes.It was because this unjust system that Pakistan was created as according to hinduism all non hindus are untouchables and impure(can't shake hands with them,can't talk with them,can't eat with them etc".Even today vast majority of India is same. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110412/wl_sthasia_afp/indiareligionsociety
You need help!
You stupid paki, whatever nonsense history you are telling is british history which was distorted and to which you are presenting in bad way. You be limited to pakistan donot talk about india because you people are useless pig and India is was and will be noble country not like fanatics like you.
Aryans were never invadors they always lived in India this is all nonsense told by Britishers
you need a brain scan. Oh wait! No need. Th scan will come blank. And are you reading your taliban history books? Yes, of course.
The Taliban now allow books! What will they think of next?
The original buddha/founder of buddhism (Shakyamuni) was considered pretty controversial in his time for rejecting the notion of caste–for rejecting the idea that those in the upper castes were somehow 'holier' than those in the lower castes.
Castism was earlier division of labor later on people started misusing it for there own benefits which happens in every society hence to bring change and stop misusing of this many social reformers like Buddha , Mahavir worked on it.
Do not forget Mohamed prophet also learned religion from India only. I Can Prove it.
I think the best solution is to break up pakistan into several small countires and let them fight and finish off each other.
It has already happened – Bangladesh was part of Pakistan until about 1970. The tribal regions are already effectively their own countries – the central government has to invade them periodically to have any control. The Balochs would love to have their own state.
Dude an Indian American(Fareed Zakaria) already bashed pakistan!! you pakis will never come out of ur own ideology of Muslim world u guys cant tolerate other religions nd them u blame the whole world for the current position u are in.
najam sethi one of ur finest journalist said that when he was in the US many pakis would say that they were Indians to save their A$$.
you guys harbor terrorists and then tell the world we dont know where they came from..
@Truth
News for you.
India has either come to terms with most of the history. For the remaining issues, there is a rapid progress towards reconciliation and understanding due to the liberating forces of the market economy and a sustained democracy. A good economic growth is ensuring national integration greatly.
We have a very free press. The fourth estate makes a huge noise about discrimination, artificial barriers, corruption and other injustices that it's acting as a great moulding force.
All this in complete contrast to what happens in Pakistan, where you have your Govt, army and the Ghairat Brigade engaging in propagating conspiracy theories on how USA/Israel and India. That is enough information on who to be confident and hopeful about and who not to trust.
@Truth: Your knowledge of Hinduism is pretty bookish, books that tell distorted accounts in Pakistan. For starters let me tell you that Islam is probably 2500 years old. Hinduism has been practiced for atleast 10,000 years. Long before Prophet Muhammad (with all due respect to him) wore diapers, Hindus already knew that the world is round, Hindus already created the concept of zero, Hindus already knew the other planets existed and that Saturn had rings around it. In all ancient Hindu text, the Sun is depicted on a chariot which means it is always on the move. So before you start with caste/class issues let me tell you that every modern religion and society has some shortcomings. That includes Islam (the world is watching the horror of jihad), Christianity (catholics, mormon, roman catholics, etc), Jews, etc, etc
@Desi
Your history of Islam is quiet inaccurate. Islam is not a new religion, rather it's the religion of the very first human being Adam, and from now on has been practiced by some of the most virtuous and pios people of earth, including, Abraham, Moses, Joseph, David, Jesus and our beloved prophet Muhammad (saw). Islam means submission to the will of one true God, who created and sustains everything in the universe. Anyone who submits to God's will is a Muslim. It's a misconception that Islam came with Muhammad (saw), he's the final messenger though.
Now as for your religion of Hinduism, which revolves around myths, half cooked wisdoms, superstitions and fantasy tales, is somewhat of an anomaly, since a lot of things in there don't make any sense at all. Reincarnation, animal worship, idol worship, polytheism and caste system to name a few. It seems that Hinduism is the only rteligion in the world which preaches hatered and segregation against its own followers, namely people of lower caste or shudras. I can go on and on about the discrepancies in this religion of yours, but the point I'm trying to make here is not to insult any religion but to make you realize that what we've is far superior to what you're holding onto. Please read an English translation of Qur'an or any of these books:
1. Mirror of Realization by Prof. Mashhad Al-Allaf
2. Islam: It's Foundations and Concepts by Dr. Muhammad bin Abdallah As-Suhaym
3. What Everyone Needs to Know About Islam by John L. Esposito
4. Muhammad by Martin Lings
5. How Islam Created the Modern World by Mark Graham
6. Islam the straight path by John L. Esposito
blah blah blah blah ... list of books.. blah blah blah...
like no one has better things to do.
Did you read all those books?
yes Ram I did. I actually own some of them in my library. Reading is one of the best investments you can have to enrich your mind and life.
@Sayem
Glad to hear that you love reading so much. To become a really open mind, you should also read books with opposing points of view. Do you do that?
Did you read Taliban: the Tip of a Holy Iceberg, by Mobarak Haider ?
Here's where you can get it. : http://www.amazon.com/Taliban-Holy-Iceberg-Mobarak-Haider/dp/1439270570
Now, I know you are going to jump to discredit the author simply coz you don't agree with his point of view.
@Ram Sekhar
He did read all those books, sure. But, he did not understand them. His brain is in the wrong place – at his rear end.
Sayem,
It amuses me greatly when you confront someone elses views of, "fariy tales," with your own fairy tales. But your unproven, unreliable book of violence and parables is somehow better, right?
The world needs less people like you, Sayem. May all zealots burn in the (made up) hells that they have wished on everyone else who doesn't believe in their little books of fantasy.
@King George
LOL. So true that.
@Wraith
Very well put indeed.
I do wish that Pakistan grows up from being the menace of the neighborhood and now the entire world to a responsible world citizen. I had presumed, wrongly, that with the strong penetration of cable video into the hinterlands in Pakistan, people will start to reason and understand the need for peace better. I also presumed that the latest phenomenon of the social networks will help a free exchange of ideas across borders and will help build a critical mass of peace loving moderates in Pak.
Contrary to what is evident in Egypt and elsewhere in the Middle East, both the media and the social networks are probably having the undesirable effect of strengthening the belligerents in Pak.
I might have to conclude that the Pakistani army/ISI and their civil agents seized upon the opportunity more effectively than the moderates could. What you end up seeing is a constant refrain of conspiracy theories played 24/7. This is brainwashing their entire population. I don't know when to expect better, if at all, ever.
HAHAHAHAHAHA look at all these Indians. Together you and Fareed can have a huge bash pakistan party
You can speak only hatred and nothing else ....stating that dravidians are stupid, conveys that you are ignorant, rascist paki
Yeah..Right..Pakistan was created because of the cleansing process..All rabid people were filtered to Pakistan and Saner part remained in India that included Hindu powerful untouchable (Mayawati is ruling UP, We had VP etc etc), Muslims, Poor upper caste brahmins and warrior class. Allah created hell and He sent all the dirt, mentals to pakistan to suffer..But some people escaped pakistan to make other innocent people suffer.
Dumb stupid, the language of Aryans is Sanskrit and not Arabic. Arya means noble in thought and culture, not vile like mean bigoted lot called NaPak..
You need to have your head examined.
I think the solution to this conflict is political rather than military.To kill Al Qaeda we should resolve Palestine Israel conflict and encourage actively democracy in Middle East.Furthermore,we should get out of Afghanisan and Pakistan as soon as possible before they too start embracing Al Qaeda philosophy.Already we have wasted $3 trillion in this stupid war.I am really worried about Obama expanding war to Pakistan.It's 4th most populos state in world and also a nuclear power.We certainly would want them to be on or side.
You should change your name from rational to psycho.
I knew I SMELT some CUT BAIT here...........you simply CARP too much for a fat MULLET..............
There is no help by any donor country without any motive in this complex world relationship. All help with the motive is mind game and not the heart game. All minds game create doubts and suspicion at receiver end which only heart action can dissolve it. For trust in any relationship, action from heart is important. Conditional help demands set satisfactory answer by the donor from the receiver country, close to there motive. This create authority on one end as donor, dictating and demanding set answers. The mind of such authority and the mind of dependent receiver operates in opposite direction. Donation receiver country agrees for every terms in the beginning becauase they need urgent help. This game between donor as authority and dependent receiver will continue till one decide to break it up finally. Preventing break in this relationship depends upon the status of compromising position of both countries and adjustments as per this compromisation. Reciever country has also choice, do not obey demanded terms and coditions and find out alternative source of help. Pakistan is expecting this help from China now under the guidance of there military advisors. USA is in a big confusion and not able to decide, whether there purpose of helping Pakistan is served as expected or not, whether to continue providing more help till purpose is achieved , whether it is worth taking risk to break this compromising relationship at this juncture.
Oh acha now an Indian clown will tell "US" regarding "Pakistan" what to do and how to do it. ....What a jeark
hmmm.....in perpetual denial
WHO research conducted on why Pakis are so dumb concluded that all the inbreeding had caused a unique phenomenon among Pakistani males. They were born with their brains in their foreskins
Fareed makes a good point. I don't see why everybody is so worried about Pakistan turning to China as its benefactor. I say if China wants Pakistan then it is welcome to do so. Lets see how China handles that hot potato. Is the US only capable of offering weapons to other countries? Those billions of dollars of weapons parts could go toward fixing our infrastructure. The aid comes from the American taxpayers, and they have the right to know where that money is being spent.
Who better to give an informed, unbiased opinion on Pakistan that an Indian with 60-year-old partition blues.
@History
Amusing.. that Pakis on different forums still think that only Indians are bashing them. Hasn't your puny little brain realized till now that not just the Indians but the whole world hates you. While I admit that Indians do derive special relish in Paki bashing but heres a news flash....YOU ARE UNIVERSALLY HATED. I literally mean Universally...if we found life anywhere else, heres something you can be sure off.....they would hate you. Your comments regarding Hinduism when this article has nothing to do with it should give you one reason why.
You forgot that they dont have the one you specified in your first line.
Well...true...but at least Pakis dont stink as much as Indians
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At the end of the day, its about who stinks less.
@Asim...Smell of spice and vegetable is not Stink...but Stink comes from animals graveyard that is your stomach....No matter how much itar you put to hide stink..you still cannot get the brain to Think...:) Atleast Indian focus on constructive path despite discriminations from certain type of people in west and hatred from jihadist like you....
do u even pay taxes ,if yes how much?,you should be looking your enormous illogical tax deductions.
Vast parts of Kashmir are already under Chinese control – I will be impossible to force Pakistan to comply with democratic principles – the country is so broken and impossible to fix. Ordinary Pakistani people are so utterly screwed.
I think the military in Pakistan has an unique prominence. Fareed has compared it with other military forces in Turkey, Egypt and Indonesia. Turkey has a dynamic civil society and a strong parlament, which had reduced the influence of the country's military in a constitutional reform 2001.
Indonesia has a long history of military rule since the coup d'etat 1958 and seen regime change with help of the military. With the stepping down of Suharto 1998 did the army lose gradually its iron grip on the country. The democratisation process since then is on the right path.
The military in Egypt is widely revered by the people and the peaceful revolution in February saw the topple of Mubarak's regime without bloodshed.
Pakistan's army might one day face the same destiny as its Indonesian peers towards Suharto's political end, if it doesn't re-invent itself and engage in self reflection.
Fareed is making sense to me. Pakistan people have to fight with military chief and other stupid politicians to stop killing their own people and stop providing shelter to the brutal Al-Queda. The innocent people are killed on a daily basis.
Mahammad Zinna is the culprit who spoiled pakistan just for his power otherwise this country would have been part of INDIA. I feel sad for Pakistan.
Now every one knows about USA strategy is that have base in ASIA to fight with China and INDIA but now that you have Afgan base why spend money in Pakistan and encourage terrorism. I am sure the money contributed from USA, half of it goes to terrorists through military and politicians. FIRST kill Parvez Musharaf... he is the masterminded terrorist in PAKISTAN.
Remata dude he is JINNAH not zinnah ,correct your pronounciation ,now that you left your country
Fareed is Real N Perfect analyst. He makes good efficient point to think for Obama.
Fareed You are the Best ...I hope one day Obama takes advice from you.
He already has started doing just that. I'm glad
Less so in the major cities and more so in the villages, I've heard.
No use of engaging in a useless jingoistic debate about partition,babri masjid, Kashmiri temples and pandits becoming extinct.....
The secular future that quaid a azam had envisioned for pak has been lost .,An extremist theological state full of non state actors.....Using religious and ethnic militancy as a instument of state policy to attain strategic depth ......
With the brutal deaths of Mr salman taseer and Mr Bhatt, and the consequent claims to martyrdom by the murders being supported by millions is an image that has shook people all over the world....
There are radicals ( Hindu,sikh,maoist and muslim ) in india but we still have the power to confront them openly., And for those people who say pak,s sovereignty was violated by US in abottabad Op , you cant have it both ways, you take billions of dollar in aid and then want control of your own affairs.....
And as for people worried over Chinese influence in pak,, there are over 10 k PLA troops in pakistan,s portion of kashmir protecting the strategic karakoram highway which was damaged last year in a land slide...!! China has supported pak in thick and thin for decades...Somehow the cause of Islam refuses to cross kashmir and into strife torn Xinjiang where the communists are continuing there policy of " assimilation " with uighurs,,,
Today was the 1st collateral damage of OBL,s death and there are more to come,,pakistan will be served well to take control of their economy, bring real democracy and kick the americans out,,, Britain and US have damaged this region beyond repair with their " great game & cold war " in 19th and 20th century....
Pak army should stop being fixated with India and india on its part should back off in afganistan so that pak military gets that " strategic depth " which in turn will help the end game in that country.
Instead of "kicking the American's out", it makes a lot more sense for Pakistan to kick out the terrorists that are doing the killing of innocent civilians. Gee, there's a thought–get rid of the terrorists inside Pakistan and the Americans will go away. What a concept!
To those who think that Pakistan may be incompetent and not complicit in providing safe harbor to Laden, consider this:
If you are Bin Laden, and you decide to build a hideout, would you build it a few hundred yards from the military?
Bin Laden built his hideout there because of Pakistani support, not despite it.
That begs the question, why are we funding our enemy?
Mr. Fareed Zakaria, we fight for ur cause, u pay us for the services. keep ur dollars and we will stop fighting against alqaeeda. as simple as that. we are fighting ur war. do bear this in mind.
dude if the United States dint give u $$$ ur economy would have crashed
u ppl were under sanctions when the WOT started . say thanks to Uncle SAM for bailing your country out , evev ur leaders Gen musharraf and imran khan have admitted that pak would have gone to the stone age without US money. Your leaders go to Us and Beg for money no one from the States goes telling ur ppl that we have $$ take it from us.
The problem is you're NOT doing any fighting! If you were, you would have cleared out Waziristan long ago.
Clean up your country before we do it for ya!
Fareed is brillant & has articulated a complex relationship very succintly.
One of the solutions is to make the tribals areas of pakistan & the pashtiun areas of afghanistan into a new country Pakthunistan. With Nato presence in this new country, it can put a stop to terrorist activities in that area.
Well, the discussion is about the political instability in Pakistan....and unfortunately some guys take it to the origin of India !!!
How does it matter to anyone how the country is formed?????? we all are humans and no one is above or below us.
We should spend our resources in finding the evil in our society and try to eliminate it from our system. Pakistan is no doubt the center of discussion especially when it comes to home grown terrorism, lets not deny this fact. The democracy has always been failure in Pakistan, there have always been military coups in the past to dethrone democracy.
Pakistan needs help, or just wait and watch its own destruction from the core very soon.
For a change Mr. Zakaria sounds somewhat balanced, NOT asking hard hit Americans to shell out more for this UNGRATEFUL people or IMPORT Hordes of then into the west to build bridges between the west & the Muslim world (& Pakistan in particular). .....................Something that Mr. Zakaria has been tirelessly canvassing for at every opportunity!
But, the fact remains that the time for reconciliation with Pakistan (& its people) is long gone.
If ever we are serious about NEUTRALIZING THE GREATEST EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO AMERICA, EUROPE, ISRAEL & INDIA from the THE ISLAMIC BOMB, the ONE & ONLY OPTION left with us is to IMMEDIATELY STOP ALL AID, DECLARE PAKISTAN A TERRORIST STATE, DISMEMBER THEM, SEIZE THEIR NUCLEAR ASSETS, LIMIT Pakistani (& Muslim migration) into the west, and NEVER EVER let Muslim Turkey, Bosnia, Kosovo into the EU.
Anything short of this.....we will only be facing another 9/11 like situation, but this time INCREDIBLY MORE DEVASTATING!
Amit-Atlanta-USA
Amit gee ,you stinks, perhaps lots of vegies? you need a waste mangement treatment.
You know I have been reading a bunch of your comments on many reports and I must say you are an ignorant jerk. Nuff said, guess you figured the rest out.
I don't understand why are we so much obsessed with spreading democracy in Arab world. There are much bigger problems in already democratic countries that are never talked about. In Fareed Zakaria's own country of origin "India" over 500,000 infant girls are killed every year either before they're born or right after birth by filling Tobacco in their mouths. Google "female infanticide in India" for more detail. I wonder if Fareed will ever like to talk about this issue?
bubba the paki ~ quite a non-authentic nomme de dumbo
There are so many ways to apply pressure on Pak to comply. From reducing aid to totally shutting down the mission down there in Islamabad, there is a whole range of things to do in every case Pakistan would be the loser. Why not start and see at what point they start playing nice?
If US cuts diplomatic relations with Pakistan, they would be totally isolated. Maybe that's what it would take for them to stop harboring terrorists. Pakistan needs US, not the other way around, though with the words coming out of US leadership you would never know that.
Mr Zakaria, The 2 billion a year that we give to Pakistan is to keep their 110 nukes in a safe place, if there is more demand, then there would be more cost.
Freak Zakaria being interviewed by Eliot Spitzer.
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Was this a comedy channel special?
This beats me. I don't get it. Pakistan army would rather let few people die than clean out terrorists.
10 billion dollars to a country that shouldn't be of much concern to the US, and 300 million dollars to help Mexico fight the drug cartels that are already here. probably the US needs a military goverment too
Guys, Stop the India pakistan debate on here. This is not a place to fight about your internal difference.
Zakaria's discussion has got nothing to do with India.
What he is trying to say and I completely agree is that Pak has a puppet government which cannot control the military.
What pak needs is be a democracy and let the government control the military. Then only the conditions in pak would be stable and they would be able to help us in their war on terror.
Right now we are just bribing them in the name of aid to be with us, but their government/military is fooling us.
"Right now we are just bribing them in the name of aid to be with us, but their government/military is fooling us"
I hope you are at least see that Indians have contributed to this realization, to some degree.
Read and make your own conclusions.
At this particular moment, people in Pakistan consider America as biggest enemy. Go to face book and read comments by Pakistanis on page Capital Talk. Let me clearly tell all americans. People in Pakistan get no benefit rom America. All financial grant from America goes to politicians' accounts in Swiss banks. You have been supporting the corrupt people in Pakistan so so so much for last 30 years that people of Pakistan's lives have become miserable. Can you imagine a country with Electricity available for only 6 hours in 24 hours. Yes this is true.
At this particular time, People of Pakistan have nothing to loose except their life. So who really cares about life in Pakistan. CIA agents openly kill Pakistanis on the streets in Pakistan and our corrupt Pakistani agents(Politicians) who we pay all money, they help them get out of Pakistan without any trial.
As you sow, so shall you reap. We have cultivated a nation of explosives, now it is time to reap it. I doubt if 25% of American soldiers will be able to make it to come out of Afghanistan alive.
Pakistanis are different. Look at their history for centuries.
Give them hope for life. Give them something else to loose and they will not find some beauty in life.
P.S.
In last sentence, I meant, "Give them something else to loose and they will find some beauty in life".
Interesting you say "as you sow, so shall you reap", because it's true that you have cultivated a nation of explosives and it's bound to have an adverse effect on the lives of your people. Good luck getting out of this situation! Oh, and by the way, it's your own people who are suffering from explosions – refer today's twin blasts – not the NATO and American soldiers in Afghanistan.
However, you are right – it is not the common man in Pakistan who is responsible for this situation. They are poor because of their own rulers. My sympathies to those who suffer; especially those who were hurt or have lost loved ones in today's blasts.
If you are a logical people, you will see that it is not any other country which is at fault for your country's condition – for the fact that your people have nothing to lose – but your own! If you are a people with any capability at all, to go along with at least some small iota of objectivity, you will shun those who entice you into violence and will use what you have to make life better for yourselves; in consequence, you would make life better for the rest of the world as well.
Also, although highly inconsequential in the matters at hand – you don't have a history of centuries. Your entire nation was conceptualized only about 70 years ago and formed 63 years ago. I'm just putting it out there, for your knowledge!
What Zakaria said is all true! However, those who are linking this entire issue with religion need to rethink their entire thought process. The entire issue of Pakistan harboring terrorism is an age old problem highlighted throughout the 1980s and 90s by several nations' governments. However, while these puppet extremists disguise their actions under the veil of 'jihad', the real puppeteers in the Pakistani hierarchy have nothing to do with religion whatsoever! They only strive for supremacy in order to further exploit their country, which has already been run down into the ground. How does it matter to these people, how many of their fellow countrymen die of hunger, as long as they get richer by depositing the money they embezzle in Swiss bank accounts?
If Pakistan did not have nuclear bombs the US would not be giving them any money. I am surprised there is no mention of their nuclear arsenal in the interview.
If Pakistan uses its Nuclear weapon, that's the last time you see the country on map and everyone knows that. U.S or even Israel can wipe out all the weapon's in matter of hours. We know what happened to Osama, on how hell-bent Pakistan was supporting/hiding this monster, U.S was able to wipe out this scum, in matter of 30 minutes.
Now Pakistanis usually address Indians as "Hindu" and call us extremist, we don't blow up markets like you( your citizens, Pakistanis )
we don't sail from Karachi to Mumbai and go on a shooting rampage unlike you(Pakistanis)
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Mumbai terror plot unlike "Muslim Pakistani " HUSSAIN RANA
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Mumbai terror plot unlike "Muslim Pakistani " david headley ( changed his muslim pakistani name to a western name
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we are not caught plotting the TIME SQUARE BOMB PLOT
WE ARE NOT CAUGHT SHELTERING BINLADEN FOR 5 YEARS
WE ARE NOT SHELTERING MUMBAI ATTACK MASTER MINDS ( ISI CHIEF PASHA), HAFEEZ SAEED
WE are not giving guest visa to DAWOOD IBRAHIM (Terrorist WANTED BY US and India)
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Danish terror plot
Extremism is Rampant in PAKISTAN , NOT India which is secular and tolerant
PAKISTAN SHAME SHAME
GOD What a MENACE this country ( Pakistan ) has become to the WORLD !!!
MUSLIMS AND ISLAM IS NOT THE PROBLEM, BUT PAKISTANI VERSION OF ISLAM AND PAKISTANI MUSLIMS ( A MAJOR SECTION OF THEM ) ARE THE PROBLEM
truth is here
Pakistan is an international migraine as told aptly by Madeline Albright(Former US Secretary of State) .Today the world faces threat from Pakistan and India says we have been facing this for decades.Pakistani innuendos against India stem from extremism, hate and an offshoot is terror inflicted by Jamat Ud Dawa, Laskar e Tayyaba and Hizbul Mujahideen on India.Satanic Intelligence service, the ISI ,which virtually runs Pakistan.ISI and Pakistaniarmy are a pain in the neck to the world.They have has supported the Taliban for years to fight the Soviets.It now covertly supports the Afghan Taliban to harm the Afgani people(who are my brothers and Muslims )
To radicalized Pakistanis,I can say this.Not only has your insidious Army perpetrated human crimes in Indian Kashmir by training militants and attacking innocent Kashmiri Pandits(Hindus) and Kashmiri Indian Muslims,but also discriminated against your own people by not allocating funds in yearly budgets for Balochistan and break away East Pakistan.Your country had imposed Urdu as the only official language in East Pakistan contemptuously ignoring the feelings of the Bengali section.Did not the Bengali Genocide in East Pakistan happen with the acquiescence of the Pakistani Army.Did not fanatics like Aurangazeb impose jaziya on Hindus?Did he not forcefully build mosques in Hindu holy sites to sow the seeds of conflict?.Is not Jinnah the epitomy of greed for power by going to the extent of Dividing India and insisting on partition with religion as basis .If Religion was the basis for partition or to claim Kashmir my hideous friend, let me tell you that Hindu sacred texts mention Kashmir as one the holy places where Hindu gods reside in the himalayan mountains.Indian ancient history and culture revolves around Kashmir I know verses in Sanskrit that mention them.
It is known that a Kashmiri Muslim's culture has some distinct Hindu flavor as many were proselytized from Hinduism as Islam entered India.We know, that an Indian Muslim is far better off in India than Muslims in your country and he is as patriotic to India like any other Hindu or Sikh
Pakistan is the HUB of terror in the world today and world must fight back and respond like it did in Serbia /Yugoslavia or like it did in Kuwait when Saddam attacked or like Libya where where NATO is fighting Gaddhafi.
I have got my facts right, Pakistanis better know that your country does not treat minority Hindu's and Sikhs well.The only way to deal with Pakistan is to liquidate it.Secularism is the key to ending religious extremism.Afghan intelligence head had also spoken the truth about Pakistan.
As Bin Laden was caught living in the sublime quarters near the Pakistani military,we can infer he was being served chicken curry by the Pakistani Generals as a guest for 5 years and we understand the following conclusions about the Pakistani state.
The Present:
Satire can be vivdly drawn from the fact that it has created a professional satanic intelligence service,army that hold the state to ransom and has a facade of democracy as veil .It has managed to be labeled as the 'international migraine'.It has succeeded in fermenting hate and laments against India and mastered the art of counterfeit Indian currency.Above all it seems to flaunt the identity of being a global hub of terror.It blackmails stakeholders in return for cooperation in terror fight against aid, has exacerbated the Afghan conflict by poking a noxious anti-India strategic angle to the problem.
The Future:
From the Baloch unrest to the holocaust of Bengali citizens in the bereaved East Pakistan, the break away state has shown no respect for its people.The Pakistani ambassador to Bangladesh said "Let Bygones be Bygones" wanting to bury the Bengali holocaust in 1971 war chronicles.Such a blemished history with cycles of coups and political upheavals sets stage for the break up.A monumental time when Balochistan gains independence from a state that discriminates on resources and rights to governance.A time when the so called 'Azad Kashmir' realizes that 'azad' is a misnomer for a future of a career in terror camps than one with opportunity and hope in the Indian Union.
iNTELLIGENT Pakistanis know that India is NOT the problem that Pakistan has ,but its DOMESTIC ISSUES
Pakistan needs reflection that its existence has not served its purpose.Seperate land for subcontinents Muslims has failed miserably.India in turn has more Muslims than Pakistan and despite bumps on the path, has overall made a successful state with SECULARISM.It has had a Muslim President and has currently a Sikh Prime Minister in a Majority Hindu Country.This is the idea of India
Pakistan is the hotbed of terrorism in this world.
Terror camps in Pakistan target India and the West.Safe havens in Pakistan's north west provinces target the US troops and Afghan forces.The Jihadi groups in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir train and send militants to fight India,lest we forget the Mumbai attacks.
Unless the US and other countries fighting the war on terror realize that dealing with Pakistan harshly is the only way to solve the Afghan conflict and defeating Al Qaeda,the scourge of terror will perpetually prosper.
What has Pakistan achieved after 61 years,since partition of India?Why separate land for subcontinent's muslims? What is the prognosis here..WHY IS US PLACATING Pakistan?Why should the international community put up with this country..for the fear of its nuclear weapons that it sold to north Korea?
Is the US/international community braindead to squander 10 billion dollars to 'AID' Pakistan and gets channelized against India?
US should have the spunk to tell Pakistan : ENOUGH is ENOUGH.I am not going overboard when I quote analysts telling about a swift operation by India and Israel to hijack Pakistan's nuclear weapons.This has obvious grave risks,but as if we are not threatened by this sickening state day after day by militant and ISI plots.Once successful,even if a war breaks out,this state can be subdued and divided like Balkan states:
1.BALOCHISTAN
2.PAKISTAN OCCUPIED KASSMIR – Merged with India
3.Ethnic Punjabi Pakistani areas – into a small state administered by the UN for 100 years
4.NWFT occupied by US to hound and flush the militants
Riddance from a State which has become a nemesis for a peaceful democratic ,equalitarian world and only secularism will bring prosperity and peace to the subcontinent
EARLIER GPS PROGRAMS HAVE REVEALED PAKISTANI THREAT TO PEACE
For brainwashed narrow minded Pakistanis who bring up Palestine,Israel and Kashmir , this is the answer
The state of Israel has the right to exist as Jews have lived there for thousands of years.4000 years ago there was the kingdom of Judah before they were expelled and right of the Jews to the holy land CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE DENIED.
Kashmir has been the part of Hindu culture and our scriptures(in India )time immemorial talk about it and we have our holy shrines there .It is our Land and so is todays Pakistan .The right of India and Hindus in Kashmir with Historical basis in the last 5000 years CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE DENIED.
The right of India over Kashmir does not stretch back up-to only Partition.Kashmir has been a part and parcel of our social fabric,culturen. Our claim over Kashmir is grounded in facts and India's right over it cannot be denied.
Dumb stupid, the language of Aryans is Sanskrit and not Arabic. Arya means noble in thought and culture, not vile like mean bigoted lot called NaPak.
OpinionIndia to resolve issues should we not dmearcate a time in history from where we guage rights of a people?I would say we should recognize territorial rights from the times that UN was created and when formal international rights of peoples were recognized.The problem with going too far back in time is that the Red Indians would legitimately be able to claim compensation for US control over their territory,aborigines over Australia, and so on for almost every other nation.
@Bonzon
If the european settlers wanna drive out the native Indians or red Indians then Red Indians can use t his premise to claim whole America.But If Europeans wanna live together with Natives then all is well
Lets draw the same parallels here ...
Lets draw the same PARALLELS here ..If Muslims wanna live together with Hindus then no its fine , all is well
but when they take up cause of Jihad at the parent civilization , forgetting then the older civilization lived there before Islamic invasion then this premise Holds
Lets GIVE BALOCHISTANIS a chance for vote to decidde if they wanna continue to be part of Pakistan ( A failed state that discriminated agaInst Bengalis and now Balochis )
BALOCHISTAN WANTS PLEBISCITE AND FREEDOM FROM PAKISTAN.Pakistan stop discriminating against people of Balochistan where they do not get revenue spent on their development after their mineral wealth is eaten away by Pakistani state.
FREEDOM FOR BALOCHISTAN.
i have a piece of advise, you should write in a local Hindi newspaper cuz this place is not suitable for jokes
I have a piece of advice , you should start writing about How Bin Laden lived and watched raunchy Pakistani Porn Pornography has been found in the Abottabad compound ]
It would be nice to read that in all Pakistani newspapers .
Geez Did I forget something ...You should think Bin Laden was pious
don't you ..a practicing Muslim...I thought Islam forbids all this ... 
Digest this .,.. What ever Pakistan is doing today , which includes
1) Lying to the world
2) Supporting terror
3) Engaging in subterfuge
is totally anti-ISLAMIC, no jokes
95% of the Indian populaion didnt know about the Balochistan movement until pakistan brought it to Indian attention.
Even now majority of Indians dont know about it. The ones who do, dont care too much about it.
If you link India to Balochistan, we only see your statements as blind baseless and retardedly wild imagination.
People like Fareed Zak are telling the US government what to do with Pakistan. hmmm, mr. Zak, what is your qualiication or position? " ony a reporter".
Pakistan is bad or worse thats a different story but one thing is certain the US need pakistan more than anyone else.
Remember, what Condi rice said during Bush regime. "the US cannot win a war without Paistani help".
No it is China that needs Pakistan more than anyone else.
who are you to question Fareed's credentials??? the whole world questions Pakistan's credentials now
you cannot stop the world
omg...you are so narrow minded...God help you!!!
I hate to say this, but Zakaria is an Indian who always speaks against Pakistan and sings songs of India..India ,a country who kill thousands of muslims in Kashmir and gets away with it, and people turn a blind eye. There are extremist hindus who burn churches and mosques in India , but India is never held accountable. Mr. Zakaria, talk about that for once.
Nasreen- It is true he might be indian, but you should watch his HBO after mumbai attacks, he said the truth is there are poor men who are easily misled to doing terrible deeds. So I think this is unfair, I do not agree to everything he says but pakistan should be ruled by their people. Not by their army.
have you seem what the people there are like. leave it in military control till they have read more than 1 book.
sir i would also want you to check how the indian foreign policy is set by your intelligence agency RAW and not the dumb politicans. I would also like you to check who is responsible for the huge weapon pile up india is currently undergoing.. ur politicans.. aa no.. more the army and the RAW.
For political reasons, the RAW even made a muslim president and now a Sikh prime minister..
Pakistanis only obsession is to subdue India by hook or crook, that was their vision and not it turns out to be a nightmare. Sooner they realize the better for them. It might be a speed breaker for India but it is insignificant of all the dirty games Pakis played. The Mumbai attack will never be pardoned until all the key players are brought to justice and infrastructure thoroughly dismantled.
When people like Modi and Thakrey are dominant in politics it can't be just obsession.
Do not worry about Modi and Bal Thackeray, by the way what have they done to Pakistanis??? Do not worry about Muslim population they detest you anyway with your extreme ideologies.
Correction, again. Fareed Zakaria is an American of Indian Origin who is a Muslim
Indians vote for people who kill Muslims, that's why people like Modi , Thakrey are so powerful. They are no different than Osama. Muslims of world should unite and start killing people who are responsible for genocides of Muslims, take lessons from America , see for their 3000 people they have killed millions.
But what is wrong with Farid saying that people of Pakistan,instead of military, should determine policies in Pakistan?I have heard so many Pakistanis say the same thing.
Unfortunately, Nasreen's comments are the direct result of propaganda being spread within the Pakistani people and those whom they are able to influence. The number of muslims killed within Kashmir by terrorists is at least a thousand fold higher than those killed by anybody at all. Nobody's turning a blind eye to the plight of muslims within Kashmir. The Indian army's operations within the state are constantly scrutinized by the international community, and even worse, by the Indian media! Nasreen, please note that the same terrorists who kill so many of their own muslim brethren, have also killed, maimed, raped and plundered thousands of Kashmiri Pundits with the sole intention of creating a muslim majority within Kashmir, so as to influence any UN led referendum on the right to self determination. As for the Hindu extremists who go about killing in the name of religion – they're going to the same place as the terrorists.. hell!
As for RAW being in control of India.. pure rubbish! Their efforts are concentrated on a neighboring nation, so they can protect their own country against the heinous plots being hatched there. za's attempt at drawing parallels between the ISI and RAW is pure desperation, and as such is laughable. The relatively small weapons "pile up" by the Indian armed forces is mandated by the Indian people; patience and forgiveness only suit those who are capable of defending themselves in the face of a threat.
To radicalized Pakistanis like u ,I can say this.Not only has your insidious Army perpetrated human crimes in Indian Kashmir by training militants and attacking innocent Kashmiri Pandits(Hindus) and Kashmiri Indian Muslims,but also discriminated against your own people by not allocating funds in yearly budgets for Balochistan and break away East Pakistan.Your country had imposed Urdu as the only official language in East Pakistan contemptuously ignoring the feelings of the Bengali section.Did not the Bengali Genocide in East Pakistan happen with the acquiescence of the Pakistani Army.Did not fanatics like Aurangazeb impose jaziya on Hindus?Did he not forcefully build mosques in Hindu holy sites to sow the seeds of conflict?.Is not Jinnah the epitomy of greed for power by going to the extent of Dividing India and insisting on partition with religion as basis .If Religion was the basis for partition or to claim Kashmir my hideous friend, let me tell you that Hindu sacred texts mention Kashmir as one the holy places where Hindu gods reside in the himalayan mountains.Indian ancient history and culture revolves around Kashmir I know verses in Sanskrit that mention them.
Many a Time ,Pakistanis blame us indians but truth is
we(Indians) don't train in terror camps to blow up markets like you( your section of terrorists from Lashkar-i-Tayabba who are Pakistanis )
we don't sail from Karachi to Mumbai and go on a shooting rampage unlike you(Pakistanis)
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Mumbai terror plot unlike "Muslim Pakistani " HUSSAIN RANA
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Mumbai terror plot unlike "Muslim Pakistani " david headley ( changed his muslim pakistani name to a western name )
we are not caught plotting the TIME SQUARE BOMB PLOT
WE ARE NOT CAUGHT SHELTERING BINLADEN FOR 5 YEARS
WE ARE NOT SHELTERING MUMBAI ATTACK MASTER MINDS ( ISI CHIEF PASHA), HAFEEZ SAEED
WE are not giving guest visa to DAWOOD IBRAHIM (Terrorist WANTED BY US and India)
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Danish terror plot
Extremism is Rampant in PAKISTAN , NOT India which is secular and tolerant
PAKISTAN SHAME SHAME
GOD What a MENACE this country ( Pakistan ) has become to the WORLD !!!
@ Nasreen :
I want to respond to Pakistani Muslims like you who always draw parallel between Palestine and Kashmir and try to project Americans ,Jews and Hindus as "bad guys".Here is my response
Running after Americans and Jews is Bigorty , Pakistani fanatics..because The state of Israel has the right to exist as Jews have lived there for thousands of years.4000 years ago there was the kingdom of Judah before they were expelled and right of the Jews to the holy land CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE DENIED. hope you get this
Kashmir has been the part of Hindu culture and our scriptures time immemorial talk about it and we have our holy shrines there .It is our Land and so is todays Pakistan .The right of India over Kashmir does not stretch back up-to only Partition.Kashmir has been a part and parcel of our social fabric,culture.The right of India and Hindus in Kashmir with Historical basis in the last 5000 years is grounded in facts and it CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE DENIED. hope you get this too
Yet India wants equal rights and SECULARISM in Kashmir as opposed to Jihad , oppression and terror Camps in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. good day
Nasreen ever wondered that if the world does not care about the mass killings of Muslims in Kashmir maybe because it is not true and merely propeganda by Pakistan. India by the way has a larger population of Muslims then Pakistan hope you knew that and I don't think if such an injustice was happening in Kashmir the Muslims in India would let it happen and not agitate against it. I think you insult Muslims in India when you make claims like this because it implies that they are incompetent in helping fellow Muslims and somehow Pakistanis are the only people in the world that care about Muslims in Kashmir. Secondly I am a Christian from India yes in recent times thier has been violence in India against Christian which is niether supported by majority of People or by our constitution or by the laws in our country can you say the same about Pakistan, the blasphemy laws in Pakistan legally sactions persecution of minorities in Pakistan.
@Nasreen
Bravo sister, you said it quiet well. India is the biggest problem for piece in South Asia right now.
As the next POTUS, I nominate both Paul's ambassadors to Paki and Afgan......................the WORST we could do...............
Pakistan is a cancer to the civilized world. Don't let your inferiority complex hurt you too much Pakis. India will continue to speed past your abysmal country in the next 50 years.
Ur Mom is cancer.
$2,000,000,000.00 / 110 nukes = .......offer $20 million per nuke today, and if Paki refuses, take that $2 billion and fund a force to destroy those same nukes. Damn, its SO simple.
Before that force and their sponsors would be nuked.
u are bin ladens Pakistani nephew
The main entrance criteria to be Aryan is to practice nobility in deeds and thoughts, Pakis have adopted meleccha or meluha thoughts of practicing extreme tamas vrutti and refer to ideals only in scriptures. Hence the can be categorized as NaPak much meaner than Rakshasas.
just 1 nuke goes off in the us , Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, somalia will be reduced to ash.
according to the last pew poll (dec 2010) 80% of pakistani's support the death penalty for converting away from islam
75% support stoning of adulterers, only 40% think democracy is a good thing. and you want to put those people in charge of a government w/ nukes?
as corrupt as it is, at least their military is mostly sane.
90% American support collateral damage , which is killing people without knowing their identity.
Similar to what Pakistani Army did to Bengalis in 1971 war
millions massacred 
with what mouth can you talk about Kashmir
..all you talk is Bigotry
Oh look Osama, Seals-6 is dropping by for a visit?!?!What?! Bang Bang
The Pakistanis are so incompetent they should be working on Bin Ladens side! Maybe they were...maybe they were...
Seal Team 6 just flys in kills Bin Laden and gets outta there...what about the Pakistanis? they are snoring, we will tell them about it later...
HEY PAKI'S!!!Nice job tracking down Osama bin laden! No more Aid for you! And no one gets the $25 mill on his head, except for our military!
Your orders Seal Team Six...He's wanted dead or dead! The military already told their warriors that. They don't want some old fool going around preaching Islam and being worshiped in his prison cell. Best thing to do is a burial at sea in strict Muslim tradition of course. Yeah right I wonder who got the pleasure of throwing him overboard. Now he's just shark food.
Obama was just like Saddam Hussein they both went down without a fight. And you can run from our Special Forces but you can not hide forever, anyways if you run, you will just die tired!
I bet the other Muslim countries are saying "Holy SH*T", The president of Iran is already keeping a low profile.
In Saudi Arabia they already know the US Armed Forces can invade them and hand them thier ass without even thinking about it.
Looks like Al Qaeda and Bin Laden ran out of mojo. With the tons of intelligents recovered from Bin Laden's "Lair" we are going to see alot of ass kicking going on in the middle east now.
The night they killed Bin Laden should be made into a national holiday here in the USA.
Burn a Middle Eastern flag...no, that is not the way of our people.
Oh Bin look, it's Seal Team 6 dropping in to welcome us to the neighborhood! Bin "There goes the neighborhood!" Bang! Bang!
Bin Laden isn't getting any virgins in fact he's not getting jack, what he did were crimes against humanity and are a direct violation of Muslim law. He's in Hell now for trying to be something he is not, Allah.
Like Patton said, we will never win a war for dying for our country. We win it by making the other poor bastard die for his country.
I think Al Qaeda and the Taliban and quickly looking for other lines of work and giving up their day job.
Who is going to train the Pakistanis how to collect real intelligence, I say screw 'em.
If Pakistani intelligence ISI, military and the government are to be believed Mulla Omar and Al-Zawahiri are not in Pakistan either.
MR. Zakria is very biased Indian working at CNN and known Pakistan hater. I would not pay much attention to what he says. Pakistan's sacrifices are well known.
Facts are bitter. Conspiracy theories are too good to believe, a kind of absurd lies laced with truth.
If US tells the truth ..US is biased
If UK tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Uk is biased
If Fareed Zakaria tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Fareed s biased
despite he being a Muslim
If France tells the truth about PAKISTAN..France is biased
If Afghanistan tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Afghanistan is biased
despite being MUSLIM COUNTRY
To an Average Pakistani , the whole world is Biased and they think Pakistan despite being a world terror Menace is "IRREPROACHABLE"
What a Pity
Freed Zakaria and other bashing Pakistan are actually very illogical idiots and call themselves” experts”.
Does it make any sense that Pakistan capture and killed most important member of the AlQuida and lost thousands of it troops and tens of thousands of civilians in this fight and destroyed its economy but still endanger its national security by hiding the most wanted man in the world?
Haha Zakaria your ridicolous views (if they're your own) show how much you hate Pakistan... you must be an Indian.
Dusty...You don't have to be an Indian to hate Pakistan. Honestly, I have quite a few good friends who are from Pakistan. So I don't hate Pakistan as a country nor do I hate Pakistanis. The problem with Pakistan is the fact that a Taliban-pro military is in control of the administration. When Saddam Hussein was the president of Iraq, everyone hated Iraq...that doesn't mean all Iraqis are thugs!!!
Is this nut – Fareed Zakaria on the Foreign policy panel – even if he is not, he seems to synchronize well with them. A good well trained home bread pet.
A special breed which can not think beyond what is given on his platter. Wake up nut.... 911truth .org
First tell us why should we believe you Americans ? Where are the Iraq's WMDs you were talking so much about ? You people even accuse your own president of being scam artist and Kenyan citizen. So why should care about what you say ? I can understand you have nukes, So does Pakistan.
Pleasee .. Oh pleaseeeeeee Drop a nuke here!! I pray to God you do! because then Pakistan will cease to exist.
with respect, who is wrong and who is right, the time will come and show.But i must say that when Allah created man and there was also shaitan(rajim) and the conflict between these two will be forever, i mean till the doomsday.so thre is a group who is keeping friendship with shaitan and other is living according to the principles of Allah.decide you yourselves who belong to to which group.Not merely to say but study religions and then do conclusion.I hope everything will be clear.take care
To-day Pakistan has three bosses, (1) ISI, (2) Pakistan Army and (3) Civilian Government, Pakistani people used to call Mr. Zardari, MR. 10%. I do not know what is the % he is getting now but he is getting % of big amounts thats why he is not asking any questions from ISI or Army. In 1999 or 2000 some Eastern Europen Reporter asked BUsh about new army government in Pakistan. Bush said ITS THE GOOD THING THAT A GENERAL IS INCHARGE OF PAKISTAN. (In the back of all RED RICH REPUBLICAN is why deal with so many bosses in Pakistan. Pakistan is wasting more than 50% of its GDP in defence and USA is more than 20% to provide employement for less than 1% of the population. Now there is no more UBL or excuse for these wastes. USA should stop giving blank checks to Pakistan. There is corruption in Pakistan to miss use the money and legal corruption in USA to to give money for last 60 years, which should be stopped now. You are not going to die if you eat 2 times instead of normal 3. If there is no money or bribes from others may be REAL PAKISTANI will have a better and HONEST civil government. There is still time to have 100,000 each troops from CHINA, RUSSIA and INDIA to finish terrorism once for all. Countries like S. Korea, Japan, Brasil, Australia and rich Middle Eastern countries have to chip in finanvcially. It will cost USA one billion every year for ten years to bring 1000, ten year old kids each from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yamen for education and training to run a country with HONESTY.
when you ( fareed ) stop thinking about the future of pakistan and the same people like him, that is
the time when things will start looking better. I think fareed is not aware of the dydnamics of civil society in pakistan.
No body needs to worry, the pace of political evolution will save pakistan from the present crisis and i am witnessing
strong civil society emerging very gradually but surely.
That's what we want too. And we want the money spent in the United States instead of propping up unstable countries.You want to be tribal, go ahead
Have a taste of China,, Bahahahahaha (evil laugh)
So much is being written about Pakistan's failure to local Osama and doubts are being cast that Pakistan was hiding him. Lets understand a few facts. Firstly, its not like all houses located near a military facility are searched door-to-door. If someone remains holed up for 5 years its pretty hard to trace him. Also keep in mind that the initial intelligence that led to Osama's capture came from ISI. Above all, what would Pakistan get out of hiding Osama on one hand and arresting practically the entire leadership of Al-Qaeda on the other hand in last 10 years? There are differences between US and Pakistan on which Taliban/Pashtun groups to negotiate with for Post-US Afghan setup. Pakistan favors Haqqani network while US favors other groups... but there never was any dispute on fighting Al-Qaeda... which is proven by arrest of hudnreds of Al-Qaeda suspects by Pakistan. Also note that such security lapses have happened in many other places... just a few weeks back, 500 taliban prisoners escaped from Kandahar jail via digging a tunnel from a rented house near the jail... and this happened right under the nose of NATO/Afghan forces! Wasn't that a huge security failure? Indira Gandhi was assassinated by her own guards.. wasn't that a security failure? So these things do happen. Cornering Pakistan right now will only weaken the war against terror and not strengthen it... the general Pakistani public is already questioning whats the point of fighting this war if we only get more suspicion in return.
Siddiqui...grow up man...think bigger and better, you can do it!!!
The solution to the Pakistan dilemma is education and liberal use of the marketing tools that American business uses so successfully. Marketing has been used successfully in America to change the nations habits and culture. The spittoon was common in America until marketing strategies were used to change the habit of spitting in public. Similarly, now smoking is slowly being eradicated.
The billions that are being wasted on the military in Pakistan should be directed instead towards education. Since it is American money, the curriculum should be provided by America. The curriculum should be secular and should teach some of the precepts that make America a great and inclusive nation. Precepts such as equality of all people regardless of race or religion. The concept of separation of religion from state. It should also include math and science and the arts and languages. It should include study of other cultures and people and their successes and failures. The should be taught to appreciate the beauty of the many different cultures that the world has produced.
For too long the education of the young of Pakistan has been left to the Mullahs and their religious texts. We are witnessing fanaticism that this indoctrination produces. Pakistanis are like frogs in a well. When you don't know anything better, you are under the delusion that everything you do or follow is the best. You start to believe in your invincibility. The Pakistanis are being taught to believe everything from only one point of view and from a religious text. They should be required to learn about other religions without bias. They should be taught that religion is a personal matter and should not be brought to the street or into the government and laws. That laws should be flexible with the times and cannot be mandated by some ancient outdated text.
No amount of money spent on the Pakistan military will help. In fact the military creates a delusion of grandeur among the Pakistanis, while the world around them changes. The mullahs are propagating their brand of education to the youth of Pakistan right now. What is America doing?
Debates On Pakistan carry on unless USA leaves the region. US is Uncle Sam,who has been involved in other businesses
by force.For God sake! Leave Our Pakistan & get n gone from here,as u're going to get nothing from here.Soon USA will be humiliated by their own people.Mr Uncle Sam,(USA)..........Mind your business!
Qaseem Siddiqui...your ilk and your country deserve to be wiped off the planet...you are pests and will meet your ultimate fate if you don't watch out...
For Pakistanis who say US should leave the region, here is the response :
Why should USA leave the region,US would not have come unless Sept 11 happened from the region which included Paki conspirators
.Before sept 11 , Pakistan was supporting Taliban in Afghanistan 
the only nation on earth ( probably saudis also) .Then after US started bombing Afghanistan , Pakistan had to shamefully airlift 16000 Paki soldiers from Afghanistan who were with the Taliban 
You Pakistanis should leave the region or go to another planet.We wish we can catapult you and your people across to another planet
as we believe in value of human life , we don't wanna harm you 
, but we just don't want you to be on earth 
.
You can settle in the this neo planet and then fight among yourselves as you will have no neighbours..No India or America or Israel
Osama was'nt here... that US knows.Uncle Sam always tries to make sense out of none sense! US killed Osma! who know? & burried in Sea...........! who know?
Never trust a Paki to help you with anything.... he will take money from the other side also to not do your work! That in short is Pakis for you... right from day 1 when Pakiland was a poor newly formed country, their only urgent gaol was fighting in Kashmir and not building their country... all the while the romantic Nehru talked of building industry and a self-sufficient India. And Pakistan has always put its military goals over its economy... look at where the two countries are now..
It is best Pakiland gets split... Balochistan can be a free country... Punjab and Sind can be Pakiland while NorthWest and Afghan can be a country... that way these three countries can form their own armies and do you know what...
On second thoughts, do as Bush said and bring them back to stone age, where the stinking Pakis, their Taliban, Mujahadeen and others belong... good riddance....
And where are the real Pakis here talking about rebuilding Pakistan... I am surprised, there seems to be no one from Pakistan interested in their own economy.. they always want meony from US, arms from China and bombs from Korea...
rightly said...lets bomb these bastards to the stone age...
Pakistanis have been fooling themselves by embracing extremist ideology, believe in conspiracy theory propagated by ISI and some bigots like Zahid Hamid, which is full of lies laced with half baked truth. None of their allegations makes any sense considering their hardened stand, they are in for a big trouble. How else can anyone explain them hounding CIA agents or contractors who are in fact helping them to eliminate extremist while conveniently ignoring thugs like OBL and questioning others in the name of sovereignty. Why this hypocrisy.
If US tells the truth ..US is biased
If UK tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Uk is biased
If Fareed Zakaria tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Fareed s biased
despite he being a Muslim
If France tells the truth about PAKISTAN..France is biased
If Afghanistan tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Afghanistan is biased
despite being MUSLIM COUNTRY
To an Average Pakistani , the whole world is Biased and they think Pakistan despite being a world terror Menace is "IRREPROACHABLE"
What a Pity
... nothing can reform Pakistan
Pakistan and Afghanistan is like a glue that cant be divided. Pashtuns are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan and the second biggest in Pakistan.. I have yet to meet a Pakistani who loves or sympathetic towards its govt.
Pakistan was bond to split with India and Bangladesh because the cultures, lifestyles ethnic background was different. Even when Bangladesh was part of Pakistan, it was considered a separate country due to the fact Bengalis has totally different culture than common Pakistanis.
Yes it is true Pakistan can be divided in two few more pieces but that wont happened because over the years Pakistan nationalism has gotten stronger.. i think something big politically about to happen in Pakistan. the majority of the Pakistan people hates their govt.. and few of the parties and groups has already called for Revolution..
We will be glad if China takes over Pakistan. Rest assured you will turin into Sudan with all sorts of mayhem in your Xinjiang province.
Pl stop all military aid to Pakistan then then only civilian govt will become powerful
Pakistan military has harbored terrorist during Musharraf regime and assumed they can use militants as defense
but at same time forget the basic fundamental of what happens when things get out of control, this is exact situation what is happening now. Major share of US aid is indirectly going towards militants which is making area more volatile, One hardly believe any of the share is going towards any good deeds for people of Pakistan. I don't think US funding Pakistan anymore is going to do good.Egypt military and people never got influenced with militants which made a transformation with out blood shed.
An advice to the PaKISTAN Government that nobody is gong to heed: Forget Kashmir for 25 years. Shake hands with India. Accept Israil, reduce the size of the army that only a colonel can command. and Then ... start a MASSIVE programe to educated the entire nation, according to the International standards, like a BIG BANG.
Wow!...kind of liberating to read about such massive hatred towards yourself and your people.... things indeed can't get any worse. Time for us Pakis to "start from the reality" ... politicians will remain corrupt, the world will continue to be suspicious of us till this terrorism mess ends, drone attacks will kill an innocent or two for every other terrorist, militants will continue exploding themselves in retaliation.... thats the bottom-line reality for the coming few years. Only way out is to accept this reality and start from scratch. Support new, uncorrupt leadership and work like hell to fight this menace and build a better non-militant society... perhaps 2 decades down the road things might be better...
Siddiqui...well-said
Pakistan lost more than 5000 troops and over 30,000 civilians and that’s what they are getting in returns, hateful messages; news reports and pseudo journalists like Freed Zakari a spitting their venom.
Which country in the World could sacrifice their own people for someone else’s national interest and instead of gratitude get enormous hate? Let me tell you if you don’t know, Pakistan.
Sounds like a whore accusing clients of rape charges.
the reason for this is simple. as far back as 1990's under clinton Masshoud told pres. Clinton that to defeat Al Qaida you must do 3 things. Deafeat the Taliban, defeat Al Qaida proper and most important you must take on Pakistans ISI alaong with elements of tha Pakistani military. Facts!! That is why on eve of 9/11 Bin Laden had Masshoud killed. Do you people remember that, phoney newsman with bomb vest? Pakistan is not innocent or removed from this fight. As a matter of fact they are right in the middle of it and much to there peoples peril they are on both sides but rest assured they lean heaqvily towards the militants end of story.
Bribing Pakistan obviously is not working. The US should pull its aid and let the Pakistanis do whatever.
Fareed is being disingenuous. He knows full well that the supposed "aid" being given to Pakistan is actually reimbursement for the services (fuel, transportation, etc) that Pakistan provides to support the US troops in Afghanistan. Once our soldiers are back from Afghanistan – we won't need to buy fuel for the tanks and humvees etc. So no "aid" will need to be provided to Pakistan.
It is not "reimbursement ", It was to keep you in the war and make a pain like Pakistan fight a war it should have done on its own.28 billion dollars is manifold a time than "reimbursement "
Of which you used 10 billion dollars against India than help Pakistani people or fight Taliban
Thats called Cheating
and being a Rogue 
and for "reimbursement " aid , you don't keep Bin laden safe for 5 years and allow him to watch porn
[ porn was found in Abottabad compound , I wonder If it was Paki raunchy porn Bin laden liked 
]
There is only one card on the table i.e. Either Pakistanis fight the extremists, or we(Afghnistan, USA, India, Israel etc ) the free world make extremists fight pakistanis. Drones is a very effective tool is making extremists fight back with pakis.
Drone Baby Drone. Drone here, drone now.
For extremist Pakistanis who say US should leave the region, here is the response :
Why should USA leave the region,US would not have come unless Sept 11 happened from the region which included Paki conspirators .Before sept 11 , Pakistan was supporting Taliban in Afghanistan the only nation on earth ( probably saudis also) .Then after US started bombing Afghanistan , Pakistan had to shamefully airlift 16000 Paki soldiers from Afghanistan who were with the Taliban
You extremist Pakistanis should leave the region or go to another planet.We wish we can catapult you and your people across to another planet as we believe in value of human life , we don't wanna harm you , but we just don't want you to be on earth .
You can settle in the this neo planet and then fight among yourselves( we know how shias are attacked in your country and there will be no use of your Blasphemy law, we will gladly take your minorities ) as you will have no neighbours..No India or America or Israel
You history is bit rusted. You need to go back further. US was there before 911 – working side by side with OBL against your ex-friend (Russians). At that time you people were in bed with Russians and kept your mouth shut. You people hated the American to their guts. It was Pakistan who supported the US to kick the Russian out.
you were in bed with OBL
..YOUR DECEASED boyfriend 
. Russia is our close friend today 
you did not help the Americans out of friendship, it was because the money they threw at you
..like a whore charging for sex, Pakistan charged US for training Mujahidden against the soviets
Alas the strategy obviously backfired
A similar view described here – http://ezsaid.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-pakistan-is-not-incompetent-but.html
Anti-Pakistan hypocrite.
Amazing. Yesterday it was made known that this guy advises Obama on a regular basis, and yet here is today, advising us on what we should think. Does CNN have no shame?
Zakaria is a Munafiq
He has a job at CNN to protect. Others spoke of the truth and were gone in seconds. The more nifak the better salary he gets.
Let’s assume the opposite and there are terrorists that the Pakistanis are looking for in America, would they have full access to bomb anywhere they want? How many civilians have died because of our strikes in Pakistan? Do not tell me that most Pakistanis die by terrorist hands, no they don’t. Let the terrorist bomb and kill people not us!!. We do not have the right to kill any human (Of course we did have the right for Osama, even though there are questions for the legality of the matter)
We have to treat human life the same no matter what religion, race or whatever!!
It would appear that Pakistan have put the US on notice.
zakaria is such a biased journalist, hes no different than those retards at Fox news
Why do we send aid to anyone? I could see if it was to help out with a disaster, like the Tsunamis in Thailand and Japan, but that's about it. We need to PAY OFF OUR DEBT!!! We cannot be a superpower if we are beholding to everyone.
In Pakistan the military controlled the crooked politicians ... in the US the Zinists pimps controlled the politicians whores and US policies...
Well said
Pakistanis should be questioning their ISI/Army for the Abbotabad incidence, how they shamelessly hide them for so long and their exact motivation to continue to do so?
Ladies and Gents, it is a sad state of affairs when issues cannot be discussed due to internal politics. Fareed is NOT bashing Islam. He is NOT bashing Pakistani people. He is suggesting a democratic country NEEDS to be run by the elected government NOT the unelected military. If you disagree with this premise, you do not support democracy.
I wish US destiny will change somehow, and they will be able to identify snakes like Fareed Zakaria who is trying to hype up things and wants US to fight this war against Pakistan for the coward Indians , the only thing that the Indians are good at is pornographically oriented bollywood catered for a delusional population, so that they keep reproducing. Even though it looks like GOD has something else in store for the US, at least by looking at the way things are unfolding. US is becoming more isolated , and they are screwing up one thing after the other, headed south faster than ever , and snakes like Zakaria taking advantage of the situation.
Can some one please elaborate democracy and it's benefits? Isn't it synonymous with oppression
Democracy isn't supposed to be synonymous with depression. Why not look at a dictionary?
BUT if you are referring to what a particular politician is calling "democracy" – then you could make a case that what the politician is asking for is really an oppression of a particular group
Dera Fareed Zakaria,
Peaceful Balkaniztion is and crearting an independent Balochistan as a wedge to counter Pakistani and Iranian extremists and Chinsa is the only answer, because Pakistan's powerful military and its ISI will not and will nver give up of power that they have enjoyed these all years since the creation of this country. This is never goning to happend that they lose the pwoer. It is just a wishful thiking.
Dera Fareed Zakaria,
Peaceful Balkaniztion of Pakistan on ethenic lines and crearting an independent secular democratic Balochistan as a wedge to counter Pakistani and Iranian extremists and keep Chinsa off of persian gulf is the only answer, because Pakistan's powerful military and its ISI will not and will nver give up of power that they have enjoyed these all years since the creation of this country. This is never goning to happend that they lose the pwoer. It is just a wishful thiking.
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Ralph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg
Dear Fareed Zakaria,
Peaceful Balkaniztion of Pakistan on ethenic lines and crearting an independent secular democratic Balochistan as a wedge to counter Pakistani and Iranian extremists and keep Chinsa off of persian gulf is the only answer, because Pakistan's powerful military and its ISI will not and will nver give up of power that they have enjoyed these all years since the creation of this country. This is never goning to happend that they lose the pwoer. It is just a wishful thiking. Here is the soultion map.
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Ralph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg
Dear Fareed Zakaria,
Peaceful Balkaniztion of Pakistan on ethenic lines and crearting an independent secular democratic Balochistan as a wedge to counter Pakistani and Iranian extremists and keep Chinsa off of persian gulf is the only answer, because Pakistan's powerful military and its ISI will not and will nver give up of power that they have enjoyed these all years since the creation of this country. This is never goning to happend that they lose the pwoer. It is just a wishful thiking. Here is the solution map.
>> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7c/Ralph_Peters_solution_to_Mideast.jpg
Dear Fareed Zakaria,
Do you really belive that Pakistan's powerful military and its ISI will give up power? lets assume it does, what about Majority Punjabi supermacy over Minority Baloch, Sindhi, and Pashtuns, who have been suppressed by Punjab? Can there be peace in Pakistan without giving them justice ?
Pakistan's creation was a big mistake, a blunder and a curse to mankind and its existence is even a bigger curse and a threat to world peace. Let's be honest and do the right thing. Let's not play games here or be hypocrites. We all know Pakistan is a terrorist state why not treat her as such and deal with her as such.
Yes congress man people like u oh I mean ur father/G father against the creation of Pakistan cuz they all were from some hidus or bitions generation Directly say HARAM ki AOLAD why dont u change ur name AKKhan to Akhand athan khtta–
U wait for terrrr-
Can we for a change have a independent guy talking about Pakistan.
Fareed Zakaria is no neutral person when it come to India / Pakiatan. Fareed father was a strong Indian nationalist and so is he. He may be a naturalized American citizen of now but his strong Indian origin do not make him a neurtal fit to talk about Pakistan. Give him Libya to talk about otherwise CNN is trading its credibility.
Fareed is right on.
The PM of Pakistan reads what is given to him by the Pakistani military saying that the US is the cause of all the problems in their country. The irony is that the control of the Pakistan by its military is the cause of all the country's problems.
This situation has existed this way for decades in Pakistan. The problem is that the Pakistanis don't probably realize that their military has been their problem all these years. They should sincerely consider deposing it. They shouldn't let other countries tell them and do what they themselves can do and should do.
Fareed is a regular little Uncle Tom, with his phony American put on accent. He just says whatever he thinks will impress his White masters. He has no credibility in my eyes.
What rubbish, Mr. H.P. Mian. When you don't like what Fareed says, you choose to discredit him. This is a typical Pakistani attitude. Pakistanis are all aware of how their military, civilian government and the ISI is badly screwing the Pakistani people; Pakistanis will even admit to this, by themselves, many a times. Yet, they do not want to hear the same from a foreigner. They will fiercely protect their civilian government, the military and the ISI, knowing full well that they are all rascals. US and India are not your enemies – get this out of your head. Your enemy is within – the sooner Pakistanis understand this, the better.
Hey Fareed Zakaria you could not be more wrong on your analysis. Pakistan has put USA on notice if you read the statement by it's parliament, administration and the military. Pakistan is pissed and embarrassed by being blamed with out any evidence of any kind by US government or media(you). Putting Pakistan on notice will only back fire on the US strategy. We use Pakistan to do the dirty work for us and use their territory to have access in Afghanistan. The aid we provide them is for those reasons. We need them more then they need us. The have the nuclear weapons. They have border with Iran. China is waiting in line if US moves out then they love to get in to fill the vacuum. US has to be more careful about portraying Pakistan in a bad light. It will hurt US interest more then it will hurt Pakistan. The same reason why Senator Kerry is trying to mend the relations with the visit. But US media can hurt the relations due to unfair criticism without looking at all the facts. Pakistan is a complex society with different forces at work. It is not a western nation so do not compare with the western ideologies.
tonyL...Pakistan had made similar statements in the past, critising US drone attacks...that is something akin to putting US on notice...but we continued to send drones and still do so...don't worry about Pakistan's statements...they have no value!!!
Oh give me a friggin Break Tony! Talk about uneducated to the real situation?
Pakistan has been embarrassed millions of times in the past...for blatant lies...but they don't care or mend their ways...of course, only a civilized society would.
This is such bull shit. Pakistan has always been betrayed by the west specifically the US. They left us and sanctioned us at the end of Afghan war and now they want us to do dirty cleaning job after spreading such mess. Long live Pakistan.
Lazy bones, and finger pointing. You are too good in doing that. Where is progress in Pakistan? Do you even know the meaning of that word?
Tell me one nation that sacrificed more than Pakistan in this war on terror. In blood and in money. I beg to take your billions of dollars away and leave Pakistan alone.
You created your own mess. You live on charity everyday. You have no voice against your government. Your people died because people like you did not do anything about it. You still have no shame. You shold raise a movement in Pakistan urging your government ( if you have one, that too you could not form after many years of independence, ha ha) to return the money to US and not to beg more.
For Pakistanis who say US should leave Pakistan alone, here is the response :
Why should USA leave the region,US would not have come unless Sept 11 happened from the region which included Paki conspirators .Before sept 11 , Pakistan was supporting Taliban in Afghanistan the only nation on earth ( probably saudis also) .Then after US started bombing Afghanistan , Pakistan had to shamefully airlift 16000 Paki soldiers from Afghanistan who were with the Taliban
You Pakistanis should leave the region or go to another planet.We wish we can catapult you and your people across to another planet as we believe in value of human life , we don't wanna harm you , but we just don't want you to be on earth .
You can settle in the this neo planet and then fight among yourselves( we know how shias are attacked in your country and there will be no use of your Blasphemy law, we will gladly take your minorities ) as you will have no neighbours..No India or America or Israel
Enough. Cut them off now !
Creation of independent Pashtunistan and Balochistan will result in a less powerful and smaller Pakistan, which is in the best interest of the region. The US must bomb the remaining al Q leaders and dismantle the Quetta shura and Haqqani network before they pull out of the region. All the $20 billion would go to the drain if the US doesn't remove the terrorists and permanently weaken the Pakis.
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/163139.pdf
ZAkria is HARAMI WHO by birth INDIAN and never talk positive either for ISLAM or PAKISTAN what should i say rather than a BASTERED–
What we need is well planned war against Pakistan's military and ousting it like we did in Iraq. Problem solved. Good for region (southeast Asia) and for the world.
Fareed Zakaria is an Indian national who has become a US citizen thru natualization process. You cant expect an Indian to be unbiased and fair when it comes to Pakistan (and vice versa). We should not listen to such pseudo experts who have hidden agenda but do what is the best for our country (not India or Pakistan).
It may come as a surprise to some that one can be unbiased and fair irrespective of their background. Such outlook is inculcated by the background itself.
Rather than attack him directly (ad hominem attacks), why not try criticizing his analysis directly. Personally, I want to hear the weakness of his analysis not him.
As I said, I think he is right on.
For Mr Zakaria... Why not cut off aid and simply let Pakistan default on its debts and then splinter as Balochistan springs free? Once it ceases to be a country it is easier to secure the Afghan border by carpet bombing it as Bush threatened Musharraf back in 2002.. China will not fill the breech. I know this first hand. They are not "Soviets" and give nothing away. They are all business, bribes, al-be-it big ones like the $270mm for Kabila (DRC) and a bucket of $100mm for Afghanistan is strictly quid-pro-quo for mining concessions and they expect Pakstan to divert some of the aid flows from Saudis and USA to pay China for the arms purchases and infrastructure projects.. as an example, they price the power projects at 17 cents a KWH... an exorbitant price.. the ceiling in India is 6c per KWH.. ...
Pakistan is jealous of India. All nations of the world face the issue of national security, but they don't stop progress in other areas for that. Pakistanis are very lazy. They love free money. They are beggars. They live on aid and yet have no shame. I pity that country and I am glad that I am not part of that country. That country was formed in the first place, because they begged. Once the beggar gets the money, he realizes, that he cannot do much from that but only ask for more. Pakistan may have a handful of intellectuals who are again learned from US but the majority of Pakistanis are lazy with no shame. An idle brain is a devil's workshop, that is Pakistan.
Fareed's view??? Please he is 'Bombayian' . I don't listen to his 'Pakistan Analysis' ...just waste of time.
First of all, there is a problem in Pakistan. Second, there is a realization amongst local masses. Third, it can be fixed.
Pakistan, at best, has failed diplomatically. I see this when I see so much hate on CNN blogs (whether it is Indians following their 'agenda', or Afghanis trying to 'shift' the blame, or the americans 'blinded' by media jingoism), there is considerable hate... which means something needs fixing.
From my perspective, the root of the problem is not extremism, military supremacy or in effect corruption. Isnt this the problem almost everywhere? Extremism is a relative affair.. to Saudis, France may be an extremist country as per bans imposed on viels.. which maybe a right to certain religous women. For Iran, the definition of extremism may differ.
The only question on Pakistan is that it is unable to contain (or atleast the perception is) the domestic challenges within the home turf. However, were these created by Pakistan alone? What about US funding and direction for Mujahideen in 1980s.. or for that matter.. the civil war in Afghanistan in early 1990s when US deliberately left a vaccuum. What about India who still does not implement a UN resolution for Kashmir? Yes, the Pakistanis have a clear responsibility to clean up the mess... however, there is an equal responsibility on US and India to give it the necessary breathing space and support. This support is not Dollars or Cricket matches, however, it is due recognition of the fact that Pakistan has bled more than anyone in recent history and standing behind it in times of need. Sometimes a pat on the back is much more effective than a gun on the head.
If Pakistan at this point of time starts believing that America and India are enemies by choice and design (and not circumstances).. then they are making the worst strategic mistake of the life. There is a hope, atleast I see on current forums, that Pakistan is denuclearized or split into pieces. As a Pakistani, I can right now see significant patriotism on ground from every quarter of the 170 million people. Any aggression will definitely fail. The only solution is facilitation (again.. not necessirily money which is now perceived locally as a tool of aggression) and continuity of the relationship outside incidents. If nothing more, this is the responsibility of the west as the price to pulling down USSR via a proxy and for India to live with a friendly neighbour.
This is just an honest opinion.
Fareed Zakaria is a complete puppet and frankly know squat. He hardly invites anyone that would debate with him. To all Pakistanis dont get too hung up with what has happened. More incidents will happen as both India and US have the likes of Hollywood and Bollywood. These production empires can repeat many such incidents including the outstanding moon landings.
Pakistan has a huge potential to succeed, in fact far more than India in my view. India is too close to US (a declining economy based purely on international wars). India is likely to have huge problems shortly. Pakistan needs to use this opportunity that has been presented to the world and expose the political and miltary leaders for their corrupt practices.
Pakistan should leverage an emerging power with China and form relationships with Russia. Pakistan should look to extend its influence with Turkey and the Arab World. I am very hopefull for a very strong Pakistan. The jokers at CNN and Bollywood are talking crap and that inlcludes the main Joker Fareed Zakaria...
Start by flushing out your corrupt politicians and then head for the corrupt military leaders. There is no AID from USA. The aid from USA = give bribes to politicians and military advisors. They have been giving "AID" to a lot of countries like EGYPT and YEMEN and many more.....
Pakistan does not need AID but what it does need is support from CHINA. All Pakistanis should start to teach Mandrin and CAntonise in every school and look at bridging the new power CHINA and the MUSLIM World. Pakistan is one of the PEARLS in the CHINA policy and you should embrace that immediately.
Opinions in USA, UK and India do not matter. Dont worry too much what you see in CNN its only Fareed and his family that watch (Oh and me and my cats!)....everybody else is wacthing or tweeting Al Jazeers, RT, PRESS TV etc..
Fantastic opportunity to get rid of your SHIT and flush your political toilet before its too late....be strong again. Take your rightful place in the world and lead a strong muslim nation.
You substituted your analysis to that of Fareed's, and in the process came across as petty and narrow-minded.
Just read what you said: "Fantastic opportunity to get rid of your SHIT and flush your political toilet before its too late....be strong again. Take your rightful place in the world and lead a strong muslim nation."
And we wonder why so many follow Fareed and none, you.
Excellent post Samir!
This just shows why I believe Pakistan has talent, sound judgement and intellect within its population. Your post illustrates a balanced, fair and an honest opinion. Although I do not agree with all your comments. I do think on balance you are being honest and fair.
Going to work out if i have bigger following than Fareed on my twitter and facebook. Yet this guy has huge investments in it.....selling my US shares and bonds...good luck to you suckers still buying US treasury bills..
If we can stay pals with BAtman and Robin we could consider isolating Pakistan. Our weapons are freely flowing through Russia into our current war zones.
Why do Pakis smell so bad? So blind people can hate them too!
Why even discuss Pakistan- just shut off the aid, let them blow each other up. They are a failed terrorist state full of hypocrites anyway. In any case, the region will be overrun by Chinese soon- where to put to 2 billion people otherwise?
I do not believe, giving billions of dollars will make Pakistan a better place. It is similar to giving more welfare cheques for healthy people instead of giving them work. You are essentially spoiling a society. Is China going to fill the void left by U.S? They probably already and they may even probably build railway lines to connect to mainland China from Pakistan ports if that makes economic sense to them. One urgent need of the hour of the hour is to restrict Pakistan's ability to use nuclear weapons and creating a network of defenses around Pakistan (including creating a shield in Arabian sea) to intercept airborne or land based missiles. Eventually, Pakistan's general public will awaken similar to what is seen Egypt and overthrow failing government. So, bottom line is that, U.S. needs to come up with a new strategy instead of giving freebies not to mention, we need money to spend inside the U.S.
This is a totally false conclusion that the military is in total control of the democratic government. The government made the blunder of issuing 7000 visas to blackwater and cia operatives for Pakistan without due security checks and doing all this without notifying the military. The civilian government has lost moral ground to rule, to which credit should be given to US arrogance. The aid US is giving in reality is finding its way to the ruling elite's bank accounts in Switzerland. The reality is that things are turning to a boiling point, and unlike Turkey or Egypt the people in Pakistan will turn to the military to wipe these corrupt politicians out permanently. Your actions are isolating you, US is attacking Pakistan and so the country will increasingly rely on China to counter any future adventures.
The U.S.A. has clearly trusted Pakistan. But Pakistan has not lived up to the trust we have given them. So now we know Pakistan is Untrustworthy.
Pakistan is clearly playing both sides of the fence. Their Populous sheltered bin Laden, if not the populous than the military, or government or all of them. They clearly do not share our desire to route out terrorism.
So lets stop playing into their game. Cut aid to Pakistan and redirect it to India. use unilateral actions in Pakistan as necessary. Continue the drone strikes.
If Pakistan is harboring or influenced by the Taliban than this influence will show eventually if we keep up the drones and raids.
Pakistanis trusted americans as well... by humiliating a friend, a point has been proven.
Probably US wants to pull China into a war in Pakistan. Looking over all events post 9/11.. this is the only plausible explanation.
Talibans were sown and grown by CIA (as admitted by Ms Clinton) for USSR. Once they were out CIA left Pakistan-Afghanistan to sort out the mess. Of course, a bunch of people were euphoric after beating one of the super-powers of that time. They had support from both countries and they grew. It is now Pakistan's time to pay the HUMAN price to put the cap on CIA's mess. But when mass weapons are being supplied by RAW to Talibans to de-stablise Pakistan, it will not be a year's project.
Irrespective of what happened and who's intelligence services working against who, the pictures is much bigger than Pakistan alone. Indian have successfully put a blind eye on its future success. India/China are the booming economic countries which will play effective role around the world. This means US will have its contenders. India has failed to recognise the fact that even if India shatters Pakistan, or wipes out Pakistan, or even re-claims the land, it will not able to grow as quickly or as much when its neighbours are NOT in peace with it. US has found India's weakness and although US supports India in every way, it knows that India will always be in its control. Whereas, China is always defying any temptation thrown by the US in terms of Taiwan, N/S Korea, human rights, war etc.and that's why China is a constant threat to US's economic might. Well, US has controlled it neighbours (by hook or by crook) so that they could concentrate on international economic growth. China's claim is similar and avoiding any confrontation for the right time. The other example is the breakdown of USSR – it went in to different wars and uprisings that eventually broke USSR and brought end to the cold war. Japan's success comes AFTER the nuclear bomb dropped by the US, when it was "banned" to produce arms or go into war, and was "controlled" land by the US. Japan turned this into technological revolution. US learned the lesson, thus no such liberty given to Iraq.
Today's media has got the upper hand in de-stablising Pakistan (the ONLY Muslim nuclear power country), but CIA knows that with this it is not only containing Pakistan (may be for good) but also injecting resistance in India's future economic growth.
Fareed is a meaningless journalist just offering an Indian perspective for every single problem in the world. I'd love to debate this guy on national tv about this issue with Pakistan.
What seems like coming, is another Afghanistan like situation (for Pakistan in this case), costing U.S tax payers 10 Billion a year. We left Afghanistan earlier than we had to, now we are on our path in creating confrontation with Pakistan, probably not realizing the extent of issues we could be getting into over the next 30 years in this case.
Fareed ..let me ask you a question. How come you have NEVER put together a show talking about WHY all highly paid American jobs are being sent to India and media doesn't talk about it? The only talk is to complain about China which produces raw material by buying technology from the west. India, doesn't buy a whole lot from the U.S and it gets capital cash due to providing its labor services.
I'd love to see Mr. Zakaria showing some patriotism (he's a naturalized U.S. citizen from India?) and running a show about hundreds of billions of dollars going to India so the corporate people get rich and India gets to run the U.S using the money for lobbying the U.S. (when this money was given to them by the U.S through outsourcing? So what's more important to Americans? 10 B in military spending or the hundreds of billions going to India in shapes of jobs, etc??? Fareed, show us your American patriotic side and run a program covering how America can SAVE jobs hear instead of supporting your Indian heritage in everything. I think you are a good journalist but you need to quit lobbying India into everything. It is getting old. The world's problems don't have on solution, i.e. to involve India in everything.
Jay is a Pakistani masking under a Hindu Indian name
Jay stop digressing
stop questioning Fareed's credentials 
, He is a true Muslim AND peaceful MUSLIM AND A TRUE INDIAN AND AMERICAN 
Many a Time ,Pakistanis like you refer Indians as Hindus to project the neighbor as Villain
we(Indians) don't train in terror camps to blow up markets like you( your section of terrorists from Lashkar-i-Tayabba who are Pakistanis )
we don't sail from Karachi to Mumbai and go on a shooting rampage unlike you(Pakistanis)
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Mumbai terror plot unlike "Muslim Pakistani " HUSSAIN RANA
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Mumbai terror plot unlike "Muslim Pakistani " david headley ( changed his muslim pakistani name to a western name )
we are not caught plotting the TIME SQUARE BOMB PLOT
WE ARE NOT CAUGHT SHELTERING BINLADEN FOR 5 YEARS
WE ARE NOT SHELTERING MUMBAI ATTACK MASTER MINDS ( ISI CHIEF PASHA), HAFEEZ SAEED
WE are not giving guest visa to DAWOOD IBRAHIM (Terrorist WANTED BY US and India)
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Danish terror plot
Extremism is Rampant in PAKISTAN , NOT India which is secular and tolerant
PAKISTAN SHAME SHAME
GOD What a MENACE this country ( Pakistan ) has become to the WORLD !!!
You DA, I am not 'disguising under' an Indian name. I hate the curry smelling Indians thinking every name and everything came from India, is about India and that the space ship came to India before the world was created. It is a WHITE / English name. Jesus!!!! Just leave our country alone. I've heard your 'brothers' here that in next 8 years, India will be owning the U.S. so it's pretty obvious what you guys are doing. I feel bad for the average Americans who don't understand the situation and have no jobs while we please India as out "natural allies".
Fareed is a meaningless journalist just offering an Indian perspective for every single problem in the world. I'd love to debate this guy on national tv about this issue with Pakistan.
What seems like coming, is another Afghanistan like situation (for Pakistan in this case), costing U.S tax payers 10 Billion a year. We left Afghanistan earlier than we had to, now we are on our path in creating confrontation with Pakistan, probably not realizing the extent of issues we could be getting into over the next 30 years. We need to solve this issue with respecting sovereignty for other countries while taking out the terrorists with cooperation from Pakistanis. They've helped us in getting the no:3,4 and 100's of other guys. Why not trust and give them a respectful chance this time?
Fareed ..let me ask you a question. How come you have NEVER put together a show talking about WHY all highly paid American jobs are being sent to India to profit 1% the American population while putting millions of people out of work?
The media talk is to complain about China which produces raw material by buying technology from the west. India, doesn't buy a whole lot from the U.S (they just gave billions of dollars to Europeans for jets that they should've bought from the U.S. as they are our "natural ally's"?
I'd love to see Mr. Zakaria showing some patriotism (he's a naturalized U.S. citizen from India?) and running a show about hundreds of billions of dollars and jobs going to India so the corporate people get rich. India then uses the same money to lobby the U.S. and gets more jobs pushed towards India. The lobby money...is paid by the U.S.
So what's more important to Americans? 10 B in military spending or the hundreds of billions going to India in shapes of jobs, etc?, resulting in millions of Americans out of WORK!!!
Fareed, show us your American patriotic side and run a program covering how America can SAVE jobs here instead of supporting your Indian heritage in everything. I think you are a good journalist but you need to quit lobbying India into everything. It is getting old. The world problems don't have on solution, i.e. to involve India in everything or how it is such a great country. If that was the case, we'd be sending Americans to India for jobs. Not the other way around. Looking forward to a program about how to save jobs and keep them in America and get America back to being a rich country!!!!
Is dishonesty entrenched in Pakistani society ???
Jay is a Pakistani masking under a Hindu Indian name
Jay stop digressing stop questioning Fareed's credentials , He is a true Muslim AND peaceful MUSLIM AND A TRUE INDIAN AND AMERICAN
Many a Time ,Pakistanis like you refer Indians as Hindus to project the neighbor as Villain
we(Indians) don't train in terror camps to blow up markets like you( your section of terrorists from Lashkar-i-Tayabba who are Pakistanis )
we don't sail from Karachi to Mumbai and go on a shooting rampage unlike you(Pakistanis)
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Mumbai terror plot unlike "Muslim Pakistani " HUSSAIN RANA
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Mumbai terror plot unlike "Muslim Pakistani " david headley ( changed his muslim pakistani name to a western name )
we are not caught plotting the TIME SQUARE BOMB PLOT
WE ARE NOT CAUGHT SHELTERING BINLADEN FOR 5 YEARS
WE ARE NOT SHELTERING MUMBAI ATTACK MASTER MINDS ( ISI CHIEF PASHA), HAFEEZ SAEED
WE are not giving guest visa to DAWOOD IBRAHIM (Terrorist WANTED BY US and India)
we are not implicated from the west as Non resident Pakistanis in Danish terror plot
Extremism is Rampant in PAKISTAN , NOT India which is secular and tolerant
PAKISTAN SHAME SHAME
GOD What a MENACE this country ( Pakistan ) has become to the WORLD !!!
I responded to you post above. However, I'll do it again with love from the U.S (sorry, I can't issue you a visa as I'd like to stay employed and not lose my job cuz one more of you will come here).
One, I don't care what Mr. Zakaria is. You've tried to outline his credentials above and out of all of those, the 'Indian' strikes out and matches with his shows. EVERYTHING he does, reflects the Indian lobby in America. You guys have bankrupted our country and tried to put the blame on the Chinese.
Now, it is the Pakistani's turn I guess.
BUT, how come NO SANE PERSON ever brings up the rapes conducted by the Indian soldiers in Kashmir? the killing of infant baby girls by her parents because the baby happened to be a girl and the dad wanted a boy (there are a LOT of online articles about this). On top of everything, where are my fellow Americans not realizing how we are getting bankrupt....exporting every single high paid job to India. If you read FBI's crime rates, you'll see majority of serious financial crimes had Indian involvement in there (a recent one with hedge funds where an Indian guys got caught, out of many and was guilty for conducting the largest fraud. So, how come no American person brings these things up? There have been God loving Christians burnt in India (has happened many times), villages of Christians and Muslims burnt down with people in the house. Where is the media to outline this? Why are we not going into India to end these human rights atrocities against Christians and other minorities but we are going everywhere else? Speaks volume about the grand theft theory. Indian folks that I know, have told me to my face many times, 6 – 8 more years and we'll be owning the rest of America that we don't own. The American people need to wake up and realize the true issue here....it ain't China...It is India!!!! Look at the tv's, companies, everything else, people come to U.S. on visa and work without having proper documentation and then become surgeons because their Indian friends sponsor their education and Whites are behind in everything. America will be owned by Indians, Blacks and Mexicans and Whites will be siding with their Caucasian minority Arab and Russian friends......does Congress know this is coming?
india expose: http://youtu.be/-81MsbcG2sQ
America has bent over backwards for India. Billions of dollars of outsourcing and then that money is being used to invest into Indian labor in America, win government contracts by the Indian community, support loans for the Indian community to becomes doctors, engineers, etc, etc. Sponsoring legally and illegally for U.S immigration. And ALL these things impact the Americans. The Americans are the ones to lose jobs while during recessions there was almost no Indian person without jobs (only less than 5% out of 13 million Americans)?
I appreciate Fareed's Indian heritage but I'd love to see his Indian-American side (show some patriotism towards America please?). I am looking forward to a program that shows how AMERICA can save jobs HERE in America. How we can go back to being a wealthy country and NOT outsourced every single job to India.
Does ANYONE in this country has any clue as to what's going on as a secret agenda? Give it 20 years and you'll see an Indian president running America. America has already become an indirect United States of India!!!
you are a Paki hiding under Hindu name
, In the next 20 years If Pakistan left unchecked could destroy the whole world 
so stop digressing
..you are a Pakistani , we smell it right here and your slyness is creating an effluvium here 
I usually agree with Mr Zakaria, but his answers presuppose that the United States is the only potential benefactor for Pakistan. Perhaps he didn't read this week's Economist column that discusses China's courting of Pakistan. Unlike Pakistan's American friends, the Chinese do not care whether Pakistan is run by generals, a democratic government, or imams. The Chinese just want stability and trade, and they do not care how that happens.
Similarly, Iran is happy to step across the Sunni-Shia divide to help groups and nations we ignore (e.g., (Sunni) Hamas).
We are fooling ourselves if we think that divesting from these countries is a threat that anyone outside of the D.C. beltway take seriously.
Excellent article. Zakaria makes an important point. It is something we Americans have been longing for. It is high time we stop aiding the Pakistanis and the terrorists. I don't want my tax money going to jihadist military.
Mr. Fareed, i want to ask you, you advice the US government to review its aid to pakistan or ask pakistans goverment to take control of the army / ISI before giving more aid to pakistan.
On the contrary, why dont you ask all US senators / house of representatives, who visit pakistan like 4 times a month, to stop all meetings with pakistan army chief and/or ISI chief to give them the message that US will henceforth will only deal with politically elected goverment of pakistan. They can do that but they will never do it as US wants to maintain double standard in pakistan as US only has interests which it wants to keep close to heart. US wants its interests served, if the army/ISI can do it US will deal with them, if pakistans government can do it US will deal with them, keeping both happy and at the same time pitched against each other and in contempt for each other. This is the centre piece of US government/leaders/establishments policy.
As much learned as you are and well connected you are, i am sure you know this.
Please comment and reply.
Thank you.
Pakistanis say this statement often :
"For decades Pakistan had been trying to resolve Kashmir issue with India through peaceful negotiations,"
thats a lie
all those peace summits were an eyewash as your civilian govt had no power
your Govt created terror groups to fight us and we are fighting for last 40 years
as for Kashmir, here is our response :
To the Pakistani people who justify terrorism in Kashmir and talk about Palestine and Israel ,here is the answer
The state of Israel has the right to exist as Jews have lived there for thousands of years.4000 years ago there was the kingdom of Judah before they were expelled and right of the Jews to the holy land CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE DENIED.
Kashmir has been the part of Hindu culture and our scriptures(in India )time immemorial talk about it and we have our holy shrines there .It is our Land and so is todays Pakistan .The right of India and Hindus in Kashmir with Historical basis in the last 5000 years CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE DENIED. hope you and your countrymen get this
The right of India over Kashmir does not stretch back up-to only Partition.Kashmir has been a part and parcel of our social fabric,culturen. Our claim over Kashmir is grounded in facts and India's right over it cannot be denied. hope you and your countrymen get this
Lets GIVE BALOCHISTANIS a chance for vote to decidde if they wanna continue to be part of Pakistan ( A failed state that discriminated agaInst Bengalis and now Balochis )
BALOCHISTAN WANTS PLEBISCITE AND FREEDOM FROM PAKISTAN.Pakistan stop discriminating against people of Balochistan where they do not get revenue spent on their development after their mineral wealth is eaten away by Pakistani state.
FREEDOM FOR BALOCHISTAN.
For extremist Pakistanis who say US should leave the region, here is the response :
Why should USA leave the region,US would not have come unless Sept 11 happened from the region which included Paki conspirators .Before sept 11 , Pakistan was supporting Taliban in Afghanistan the only nation on earth ( probably saudis also) .Then after US started bombing Afghanistan , Pakistan had to shamefully airlift 16000 Paki soldiers from Afghanistan who were with the Taliban
You Pakistanis should leave the region or go to another planet.We wish we can catapult you and your people across to another planet
as we believe in value of human life , we don't wanna harm you , but we just don't want you to be on earth
You can settle in the this neo planet and then fight among yourselves as you will have no neighbours..No India or America or Israel
You are absolutely right, because of you ugly neighbor, we could,t have better choice, intact for whole world to move on to other planter because of you ugly Indians...get a life dude.....Kashmir will become a Pakistani...
ha ha Pakistan will be part of India one day
.. India will not be divided forever by one religious sect and Kashmir will always always and always be a part of India 
Look at yourself, 'I am a mess because of yoouuuu...'
How about a statement from CNN management about the fact that their "objective expert", Fareed Zakaria, holds off-the-record meetings with President Obama to advise on foreign policy?
Put Fareed Zakaria on two weeks notice!
Yes put this SOB on a 2 week notice. He is serving up red meat and inciting people
. The idiot seems to think that threatening the world 5th populous nation without any proof is a smart idea. Guess what, they can just show us the middle finger any time, and that takes us back at least 30 years again. I want the US to create some friends and not more enemies.
Paki under the name Terry
Liar Liar 
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-81MsbcG2sQ&w=425&h=349%5D
I am not surprised to read this pahahic article from so called paid journalist. just like there so many medicines to cure same disease, exactly same way there is different kind of democray. We shold must understand hat We can't implement west democracy specially in Pakistan. His article is completely missing a ground reality. In many years west has either supported or have engineered political system that is not worth for nothing. Just imagine mr.10% is president of pakistan. They have feudal system which can't be changed, even our ongoing democratic leaders are paid politicians. If have a crore Rs. you ould beome senator, So comeback to my point what is left on common Pakistani to rely is only vital institution left in Pakistan is Pak Army. Till new breed of politician arrive n our political system, army should be part of pakistani politics, because our ongoing politians could be bought any time. I support the army and role in our politics.
If US tells the truth ..US is biased
If UK tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Uk is biased
If Fareed Zakaria tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Fareed s biased despite he being a Muslim
If France tells the truth about PAKISTAN..France is biased
If Afghanistan tells the truth about PAKISTAN..Afghanistan is biased despite being MUSLIM COUNTRY
To an Average Pakistani , the whole world is Biased and they think Pakistan despite being a world terror Menace is "IRREPROACHABLE"
What a Pity
Pakis are hypocrites who believe in conspiracy theory with a belief of some takers. Except Taliban AQ and other fringe groups like LeT HuM who are piggybacking on ISI/Army for resource and reach. How else can anyone explain their double standard in allowing thugs from Yemen, KSA, Uzbekistan, Egypt, Libya, Sudan etc who are conveniently allowed to continue with their agenda while CIA agents and contractors are hounded inside Pakistan. Their days are numbered, even China will eventually dump them when it is economically feasible.
All of the "stans" are the pit of the world, which extends to Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Nigeria and even China and Russia. They need to be flattened.
the real terrorist are the PAKI GOVT, PAKI military, and the biggest of them all is PAKI ISI.
paki ISI recriuts and breeds terrorist.
paki military shelters and trains terrorist.
paki govt two times US and gets billions.
pakis have their game figured out.
what is US going to do about it.
get duped by the back stabbing, two timmimg, decrepit pakis.
While India is sending doctors, lawyers and enginneers..helping Afghanistan build roads and schools..while PAkistan sends in suicide bombers to kills Afghans and all others in Afghanistan, burn down schools, behead students...the American govt knows this but overlooks reality by encouraging Pakistani to hold on to its golden goose, terrori$m. If We are serious about terrorism, we should end friendship with those who harbor terrorists. Also, open the 911 file- reinvestigate Pakistan's role in 911.
Well said in a way. You do send doctors, engineers, etc to Afghanistan and other countries but not suicide bombers or fanatics. Want to know why? Because they are busy within India. They don't need to get out as they have a lot of work inside India first. Killing all Christians and Muslims and everyone else and convert them to Hinduism. Why do Christians and Muslims have to use hindu last names to survive in many parts of India?
The hindu terrorists are busy in committing genocide Muslims in Kashmir, Christians in the south (villages burnt many times with Christians families in their homes). I think this is a place where U.N needs to look into as well as it has been 60 years that it's been going on.
Oh wait, India is our "natural ally" so the definition of terrorism doesn't apply on them but it does apply on Libya or whoever else.....what a joke!!!! Go US Army, let's get into India and Pak and clean up this mess once for all. Create peace and come out clean. Use SEAL team six and others to take hindu and Muslim terrorists out of both, India and Pakistan. Go US Army!!!! India: please return our 13 million jobs back and take your illegal, fraudulent companies out of here. We are peace loving people. We want our jobs back!!!
The best thing that can happen to Pakistan right now is that all US aid comes to an end. Remittances by Pakistani expats are beween 10 to 12 billion dollars a year. Promised US aid is 10 to 15 percent of remittances. These remittances reach the grass root level in the society and are used quite carefully. Most of the aid is wasted on expensive foreign consultants, corruption and ill designed projects. I would go as far as recommending US government to reinact presseler ammendment. This will help Pakistan develop its own technology. Probably the best recepie for making sure that military in Pakistan starts respecting civil government.
i want the same rules and regulations as in USA for Pakistan if i would get the Opportunity to do this i willmake it happed
Despite all the cooperation that the Pakistani Government has offered for the US Military for its fight againsts Al-Qaeda, Pakistan is not doing enough in the eyes of the US government. The Pakistani Government has opened its airspace and lands to be used as bases for the US Military and CIA to attack and kill the enemies of the US. After all this is not considered enough. I say the Pakistani Government deserves to be punished severely by the US government. The biggest ally in the middle East, Israel, has not done even close to what Pakistan did and Israel is still receiving billions of dollars every year.
If aids to Pakistan needs to be stopped; then the billions of aid to Israel will also needs to be stopped. Israel is not an ally but a very deadly and cold liability.
What Israel has offered to the US in return for the billions of dollars in aid every year? Nothing.....on the other hand, US Government has spent trillions of dollars trying, root out and to eliminate its enemies whoe use the support to Israel to justify their war against the US.
Bombing, killing and waging wars require far less courage than seeking peace and harmony. Those who wage wars to try impose their ideology or way of life upon other people, are often cowards and self-centered.
This is insane. There are barely Americans here. It is primarily an Indian journalist lobbying for India's wish list in front of the American public and the commentators / postings are all Indians supporting this.
So, let me get it straight, now if we go to war with Pakistan, we'll be fulfilling another external boss of America. India that is? BTW, that's AFTER we've outsourced all jobs to them. 20 years from now, the American public will be thinking who the heck started this outsourcing. But it'll be too late as the president might be a guy with a weird Indian accent with the colorful Gods behind his podium as he addresses the American nation. One nation under God won't be applicable. It'll probably be changed to "One nation under many, many hindu Gods". Take your problems away from our country. Ya'll took our jobs, gave us 911, forced us to get into crap that you were supposed to be dealing with and now here we are, trying to please a couple of countries and fighting their wars!!!!
JAY ( PAKI UNDER A HINDU NAME ) DEFENDS A COUNTRY WHERE THE :
SHIAS ARE KILLED IN EVERY PROCESSION IN KARACHI
WHERE SINDHIS DON'T LIKE PUNJABIS
PUNKABIS DON'T LIKE PASHTUNS
PASHTUNS DON'T LIKE BALOCHIS
BALOCHIS DON'T LIKE PAKISTANIS
WHERE LAL MASJID IS A HOUSE FULL OF TERRORISTS
WHERE QUETTA IS A SAFE HEAVEN FOR TALIBAN AND HAQQANI NETWORK
WHERE MOST MOSQUES PREACH HATE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH ( I will not insult Islam as we are not so cheap as the Pakis like jAY)
PAKISTAN IS HOSTING IS EVIL TODAY , IT IS FOSTERING EVIL , IT THREATENS WORLD PEACE
SOMALIA + NUCLEAR WEAPONS = PAKISTAN
PAKISTAN = JIHADISTAN
= TALIBANISTAN
= TERRORISTAN
= DISCRIMINISTAN
= HUB OF TERROR , ITS EPICENTRE
You do send doctors, engineers, etc to Afghanistan and other countries but not suicide bombers or fanatics. Want to know why? Because they are busy within India. They don't need to get out as they have a lot of work inside India first. Killing all Christians and Muslims and everyone else and convert them to Hinduism. Why do Christians and Muslims have to use hindu last names to survive in many parts of India?
The hindu terrorists are busy in committing genocide Muslims in Kashmir, Christians in the south (villages burnt many times with Christians families in their homes). I think this is a place where U.N needs to look into as well as it has been 60 years that it's been going on.
Oh wait, India is our "natural ally" so the definition of terrorism doesn't apply on them but it does apply on Libya or whoever else.....what a joke!!!! Go US Army, let's get into India and Pak and clean up this mess once for all. Create peace and come out clean. Use SEAL team six and others to take hindu and Muslim terrorists out of both, India and Pakistan. Go US Army!!!! India: please return our 13 million jobs back and take your illegal, fraudulent companies out of here. We are peace loving people. We want our jobs back!!!
DIRTY PAKI , STOP DIGRESSING
RETURN THE 21 BILLION DOLLARS OF US TO US NOW , NOW , NOW
There is a smart Amrullah ( Amrullah Saleh) in the video who was Afghan intelligence head and here is CBS 60 minutes nugget piece on Pakistan and its true role in the war on terror
Amruallah Saleh : You have to give a Title to Pakistan , Pakistan what is it ?
Interviewer : It is currently an "ally" ?
Amruallah Saleh : Right ..deceptive
Interviewer : So you think its title should be ....
Amruallah Saleh : It should be Hostile country ..a hostile state
Interviewer : So Pakistan is the enemy of the US ?
Amruallah Saleh : The amount of Pain Pakistan has inflicted upon the United States in the past 12 years is unprecedented...no other country has inflicted that amount of pain upon your nation.
Solution to Hindu and Muslim terrorist between India and Pakistan = U.S. Navy SEALS. Let's 'seal' these two countries and put these hindu and muslim terrorists to live seals in the sea, just like we did a week ago. Create peace between both the countries and get out. Go SEALS!!!
When the government gets a chance to not be busy with Indian lobby, I'd like to get the 13 million jobs back that we sent to India. It makes no sense that our soldiers come back with gun shot wounds and all kinds of problems and we can't give them JOBS!!
The nuts like Fareed has there sources in Pakistan which has information who writes letter for the PM ? ha ha ha – this is too much of Hollywood.
Obama Says "Justice Has Been Done": Bin Laden Scholar Says No
by David Ray Griffin
May 6, 2011
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/obama-says-justice-has-been-done-bin-laden-scholar-says-no-121381654.html
SANTA BARBARA, Calif., May 6, 2011 /PRNewswire/ - Nobel Peace Prize nominee Dr. David Ray Griffin's 2009 book, "Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive?" presented compelling evidence that bin Laden died in December 2001 - prompting a BBC documentary of the same name.
Griffin, founder of the soon to be announced 9/11 Consensus Panel, and named among the New Statesman's "50 People Who Matter Today," today released the following statement:
President Obama, speaking of the operation to kill Osama bin Laden, said: "Justice has been done."
It has been widely assumed that, if bin Laden is now dead, the person most responsible for the 9/11 attacks has been brought to justice. But the US government has never provided evidence that the attacks were carried out by bin Laden and his al-Qaeda organization.
In September 2001, Secretary of State Colin Powell promised to provide this evidence, but the next day recanted, saying "most of [the evidence] is classified."
In October, Prime Minister Tony Blair provided evidence that bin Laden and al-Qaeda planned and executed the 9/11 attacks. But he added:
"This document does not purport to provide a prosecutable case against Osama Bin Laden in a court of law."
The FBI's acts that made bin Laden a "Most Wanted Terrorist" does not include the 9/11 attacks. The FBI's chief of investigative publicity explained: "The FBI has been no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."
A December 2001 video shows a heavy-set Osama bin Laden boasting about the attacks. But doubts were raised by experts, including Duke University's Professor Bruce Lawrence, calling the video "bogus."
Could al-Qaeda have carried out the attacks?
The Washington Post reported that the plane hitting the Pentagon was maneuvered "with extraordinary skill," but the New York Times called the alleged pilot, Hani Hanjour, "A Trainee Noted for Incompetence."
The Twin Towers allegedly fell entirely because of airliner impacts, gravity, and jet-fuel fires - there were no explosives.
But 118 members of the FDNY reported massive explosions going off in the Towers.
Scientists for 9/11 Truth views the rapid, symmetrical, straight-down collapses of the Towers and nearby WTC 7 as consistent only with controlled demolition (as documented in my 2009 book, "The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7").
And 1500 members of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth agree: The 9/11 attacks were not the work of al-Qaeda.
SOURCE The 9/11 Consensus Panel
Yeah, what a great and brilliant idea. Tell America to force Pakistan to turn itself over to the people. These are the same people who think Bin Laden is a great hero. The same people who are condemning the US for taking out Bin Laden. The same people who are burning the US Flag. That sure worked out for Iran. They overthrow their King and put a fundamentalist in power who went ahead and set Iran back 40 years. When you've got a society that thinks it's okay for a 60 year old man to marry a dozen 12 year olds his brides, it's probably best to assume they're not quite right in the head.
Cut the aid now, we need the money in this country, let their military deal with their citizens and see what happens!!! They don't want us there so what is the point.
The prophet Mohammad said that a man should always tell the truth and the need to say "I promise" should be Unnecessary
But Pakistan has violated the principles of the Holy Quran and the Prophet Mohammad by telling lies ,lies and lies all over the world in the war on terorr.
It lied on Bin Laden
It lied on the Mumbai attacks
It lied on the Sept 11 attack and denied involvement initially
A nation swarming with liars and calling themselves Muslims when they are not true Muslims
THEIR LONDON AMBASSADOR WALID SHAMSHUL HASSAN Initially denied Bin laden was living in Pakistan for long at same place and said Bin laden was a gypsy but It turned out that
OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS LIVING IN PAKISTAN ON THE SAME COMPUND FOR 5 LOOOOOOOOOOONNG YEARS
HA HA HA
LIAR = PAKISTAN , PAKISTAN = LIAR
Look who is talking. Americans put pressure in Afghanistan and allow terrorists to move into Pakistan, so that whenever required they can raid these people and put pressure on Pakistan and make Pakistan's name bad. America is a big force, but they forget one thing... which is that not every one is stupid as they think. Pakistan must leave US AID and look towards China only.
An objective counsel of nations will eventually determine disputed territorial soverenty, hopefully without loss of life, between the great nations of Pakastan and India. I submit what Pakastan should respect, trust, and count on is our track record in nation rebuilding. Ultimately, stable nation building is the one subjective non socio/religious/political act on the part of the U.S. that is a reliable constant. The U.S. and every other nation with chips to wager are hoping they have the cards to bet on favorite nation trading status with a stable Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afaganatan, Lybia, Tunisia, Pakastan, & Ivory coast. Get in the game Pakastan; you are much more valuable as a respected nation friend than an enemy.
QAEDE AZAM'S DREAM TO PAKISTAN ORCHESTRATING THE MUMBAI ATTACK
I thought your Qai de Azam ( Name given by Pakisa to Jinnah , the traitor , he did not contribute to the Indian freedom struggle but he is a traitor ) named your country PAKI_STAN ( LAND OF THE PURE)
But look closely .., the name represents an ugly contradiction )
Pakistan has turned into land of impure thoughts of Jihad
Pakistan has turned into land of impure thoughts of an imagined enemy called India
Pakistan has turned into land of impure thoughts where minority is targeted by the blasphemy law to settle personal score
Land of Pure into the Land of Impure and Pork..Porkistan
Truth be told ,Idea of Paksitan is not Pure , it is treachery and People of India will merge the Land of Paksitan into India ..no usurpers here who can deny the right of Indian civilization
PAKISTANI TERRORIST KASAB HAS EXPOSED PAKISTAN
TO PAKIS WHO USE SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE TO USE EXPLETIVES AGAINST INDIA ,Here is the response
SLUMDOG WAS FOLLOWED BY A MILLIONAIRE
PAKISTAN IS FOLLOWED BY A BEGGAR
LOLLYWOOD ( YOUR DEFUNCT FILM INDUSTRY ) AND BOLLYWOOD WHEN COMPARED LOOK LIKE A DONKEY MEASURED UPTO A STALLION
AND AFTER ALL THIS THEY WATCH BOLLYWOOD ALL DAY
yes they are.
In 1965 Indo-Pak war old Ayub said to young Bhutto, " SEATO, CENTO, or DeGaulle, Cant anyone save our face? If none comes to our needy aid then of Pak there is no trace. When is U Thant coming? And will Kenyatta meditate ? Find out you blithering fool, before it is too late." So ended this interview on seventh of September, A day Ayub will not forget and Bhutto long remember.
There is a smart Amrullah ( Amrullah Saleh) in the video who was Afghan intelligence head and here is CBS 60 minutes nugget piece on Pakistan and its true role in the war on terror
Amruallah Saleh : You have to give a Title to Pakistan , Pakistan what is it ?
Interviewer : It is currently an "ally" ?
Amruallah Saleh : Right ..deceptive
Interviewer : So you think its title should be ....
Amruallah Saleh : It should be Hostile country ..a hostile state
Interviewer : So Pakistan is the enemy of the US ?
Amruallah Saleh : The amount of Pain Pakistan has inflicted upon the United States in the past 12 years is unprecedented...no other country has inflicted that amount of pain upon your nation.
Chief Foreign affairs correspondent of CBS Lara Logan after speaking to "top Intelligence and Military officials in the United States" says that all of them are UNANIMOUS THAT
IT IS INCONCEIVABLE THAT PAKISTAN DID NOT KNOW THE LOCATION OF BIN LADEN
IT IS INCONCEIVABLE THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS HIDING OUT IN THIS CITY WHICH IS CRAWLING WITH RETIRED MILITARY OFFICIALS OR MILITARY CADETS(PAKISTANI) OR ACTIVE MILITARY PERSONNEL ...
THIS COMPOUND WAS 8 TIMES LARGER THAN ANY OTHER BUILDING IN AREA...IT IS IMPROBABLE THAT PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT CITY ( ABBOTABAD ) , LET ALONE MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT HAD NO IDEA ,NEVER ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT IT, ...
IF IT CAME TO THE ATTENTION OF US INTELLIGENCE THEN IT CENTAINLY WOULD HAVE COME TO THE ATTENTION OF PAKISTANI INTELLIGENCE,THEIR MILITARY BRASS,
..MOST OF THE OFFICIALS SAY THAT PAKISTAN HAS BEEN LAUGHING AT THE United States , LAUGHING IN THE FACES OF THE AMERICANS BECAUSE THEY HAVE KNOWN ALL ALONG THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN IS THERE
AND PAKISTANIS STOOD UP AND SAID THAT OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS NOT IN PAKISTAN .....
BUT NOT ONLY IS HE IS PAKISTAN ,BUT HE NOW ,TURNS OUT TO BE RIGHT AMONGST THE "MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT" ITSELF
PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS FOUND "DEEP INSIDE" PAKISTAN
..NOT IN THE BORDER WITH AFGHANISTAN , NOT IN CAVE
MOMENT OF TRUTH HAS ARRIVED ...WORLD SHOULD DISMEMBER PAKISTAN , IMPOUND ITS NUCLEAR WEAPONS THEN GO FOR A WAR TO ELIMINATE ALL TERRORISTS HIDING INSIDE PAKISTAN
AMERICAS GREATEST ENEMY IS NOT AL QAEDA, ITS PAKISTAN
PAK TERROR 
PAK TERROR 
PAK TERROR 
"Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it."
- Abraham Lincoln
This is so true for Pakistan when it blames the world for the problems it nurtured(TERRORISM FOR STRATEGIC ENDS) and then cries the call for freedom and rights of other countries like Israel and India and the United States.....
BUT IT REFUSES TO LOOK AT ITSELF WHEN ITS BLASPHEMY LAW IS USED TO TARGET MINORITIES AND SETTLE PERSONAL SCORES
All this will CHANGE if the VOID OF LEADERSHIP IN PAKISTAN is filled by TRUE SECULAR DEMOCRACY and the ARMY IS SHOWN ITS RIGHTFUL SUBSERVIENT PLACE.
There are some very Intelligent Pakistanis like Dr. Pervez Hoodbhoy, ALMA MATER OF MIT ( Massachusetts Institute of Technology) AND A SOCIAL ACTIVIST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervez_Hoodbhoy
HE ARGUES THAT PAKISTAN'S ENEMY IS TALIBAN AND IT SHOULD ELIMINATE THE TALIBAN
Fareed Zakaria is an Indian living in the United States. He is intellectually challenged and to cover up this weakness, he plays up to the gallery. In this case, the gallery is American public, which is pretty much fed up with his constant whining.