Editor's Note: Dr. James M. Lindsay is a Senior Vice President at the Council on Foreign Relations (where he blogs), co-author of "America Unbound: The Bush Revolution in Foreign Policy" and a former director for global issues and multilateral affairs at the National Security Council.
By James M. Lindsay – Special to CNN
On Monday, Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), formally requested an arrest warrant for Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi. Moreno-Ocampo wants the Libyan strongman charged with having “personally ordered attacks on unarmed Libyan civilians.”
Moreno-Ocampo’s request is being cheered around the world for understandable reasons. But indicting Gadhafi could have the perverse effect of making it harder to bring Libya’s civil war to a quick end.
The ICC was created in 2002 as the permanent predecessor to ad-hoc international justice bodies like the International Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and Yugoslavia. The basic idea was a good one - leaders who commit genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity deserve to be punished. The ICC’s mandate kicks in when it is clear that national legal systems won’t bring a leader with blood on his hands to justice.
Oddly enough, neither the United States nor Libya is a party to the Rome Statute, which created the ICC. (President Bill Clinton signed the treaty in 2000, President George W. Bush “unsigned” it in 2002, and the U.S. Senate has never formally considered it let alone consented to it.)
The United States and Libya, as well as the roughly four dozen other countries that are not party to the treaty, worry that it will interfere in their legal systems or provide an opportunity to harass their citizens.
The 114 countries that have signed onto the Rome Statute, which includes every country in Europe, agreed to cooperate with the ICC. That means they are required to arrest anyone indicted by the court and to extradite him or her to The Hague for prosecution.
A decision to indict Gadhafi would mark the second time the ICC has tried to arrest a sitting head of state. The first time came two years ago when the ICC issued an arrest warrant for Sudan’s president, Omar al-Bashir. He was charged with committing genocide in Darfur region.
Al-Bashir, however, continues to run Sudan and travel around Africa and the Middle East. Indeed, members of the African Union so disliked the ICC decision to indict him that they considered withdrawing from the court in protest (so much for the solemnity of a signed treaty obligation).
A three-judge panel of the ICC is now considering Moreno-Ocampo’s request for a warrant. They can grant his request or deny it. But given that al-Bashir continues to flout his ICC indictment, Gadhafi probably isn’t worrying that Interpol will swoop in and read him his Miranda rights.
That does not mean a warrant for Gadhafi’s arrest would be without consequence. It would give him additional reason to dig in his heels. With the threat of arrest and trial in The Hague hanging over his head, he knows he will not have the option given dictators of old - going into exile to Paris (Baby Doc Duvalier) or retreat to Saudi Arabi (Idi Amin).
After all, European governments have hailed the formation of the ICC as a great legal achievement. Which European leader is going to risk angering his or her public by arguing that the ICC warrant should be ignored and Gadhafi allowed to go into exile, even if that might help bring the continued bloodshed in Libya to an end?
And that is the problem. The NATO-led military operation in Libya hits the two-month mark at the end of this week. Both a rebel victory and a stable ceasefire remain out of reach. A diplomatic initiative to persuade Gadhafi to step down offers one way out of the current stalemate. But Monday’s ICC indictment simply gives him another reason to hang on and fight.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of James M. Lindsay. For more from Jim, visit his blog, The Water’s Edge on CFR.org.
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I think Mo already plans to fight to the death. Especially after what's going on with Hosni.
that's what I would do...I mean the choice is shot or hung? duh! Its making me upset because there is something the guys are not getting – he is one of the very few men who really do like women, with the majority of men its always some BS competition but we know they do not like us at all. – and mutual actually.
You are joking , right
This is all planned out months or years ahead of time. It's no irony how war and world politics work.
We are just reading and seeing a fictional production that's soul purpose is to keep the people's minds occupied with garbage. Not unlike commercials. The only difference is your never see the feature presentation or know for sure what is real and true. We do know what is RIGHT though and skating that line in public view is what our leaders are best at.
this man's opinion is the stupidest logic i have read in many years by a person claiming intelligence.
absolutely forlorn and anchored in wayward conviction, cowardly by rationalization, and filled with every reasoning to allow cruelty and destruction of human dignity and civil responsibility.
jesse james would have loved him, though.
You mean he wasn't serious with all of the comments about fighting to the death he has already made?
Brian you are right . Is there anybody with brain believing that Gaddafi would go before the end ?
What a stupid article !
I find it quite ludicrous that these people are going after Mohammar Qadaffy when President Obama has far more blood on his hands than he does. But then again,thse people seem to have been corrupted by the MIC(military-industrial-complex) in Washington where moral principles no longer have a place!
And who's blood does President Obama have on his hands? Huh? Stupid ignorant hater...
We could start with all of the Pakistani's killed in drone attacks.
Too bad your voice isn't a whole lot smaller.
One small voice, indeed. Notice how Bush "unsigned" the treaty?
You need a civics lesson...the president can't "sign" or "unsign" a treaty unless granted the legal authority to do so by the Senate.
Only the Senate can legally ratify foreign treaties.
Mick, of course, is incorrect. The President can sign whatever treaty he wants to.
the Pres has blood on his hands lol u fool trying 2 protect the rights of the World 4 the good of all mankind i think not hes a overly just man trying 2 bring an end 2 unjust harmony in countries that peoples r not free if that brings about blood freedom costs
Do you text a lot? Not while driving, I hope.......
Well Said
If PRESIDENT Obama has blood on his hands for someone finally taking Bin Laden out, or any of his ilk, then I hereby formally volunteer to take that blood and put it on my hands...
An AMERICAN Veteran
As a Vet; I will also do the same!
If President Obama, has blood on his hands then as and American Vet, I will also have blood on my hands.
I guess that would make a two bit moron criminal..
Obama does have blood on his hands. Look at Libya, which will be Egypt 2.0 if Gaddafi loses. We tried to assassinate him so we could present "evidence" against him without a counterargument. Also, the drone attacks in Pakistan, the war in Afghanistan, and the blood of Palestinians for not standing up to Israel (I'll cut him a break on that since he's a little better than others). He's not a peaceful president and anything occurring in the Empire on his watch should be on him.
"...and the blood of Palestinians for not standing up to Israel". And this is Obama's fault how? Strong guilt by association. Palestine and Israel's problems are just that: their problems. I swear, this ridiculous attitude is the reason why we get caught up in everyone's affairs in the first place. People complain when the US doesn't do anything and then complain when the US acts in foreign affairs and claims the US is being imperialistic. It is a ridiculous double standard that shows a supreme ignorance to nature of international affairs.
Standing up to Israel? We should be standing with her. The two state farce is a joke. The two state city of Jerusalem is a joke. Divided cities DO NOT FUNCTION. The land BELONGS to Israel. No compromise. Will other Middle Eastern nations give some of their land to the Palestinians? I think not! Get off Israel's back. People think if Israel compromises and gives up 1/2 of Jerusalem there will be peace. No, there would be not peace, just more killing among Mu$lims.
Turkey is occupying Cypress, Should Turkey return the land? Turkey is occupying Kurdistan, so is Syria, Iraq, Iran, etc...
The Kurds, unlike the Palestinians, are a distinct ethnic group with their own distinct language culture, not some imaginary people like the Palestinians (its just easier to remember than "The Arabs who tried to kill the Jews in 1948 and failed but now are continuing it.")
Are you nuts?! Why don't you just sign your post "RACIST"? If any American President has "blood on his hands", it would be W with the unwarranted Iraq war. He has the leadership abilities of a nine year old cowboy looking for the "Injuns".
First i care less for Gadhafi but want to ask a question. Qadhafi has crimes against humanity than what was bush. How come no one ever charged BUSh for his crime that he invaded IRQ on a flase pretense and butchered millions in the name of freedom.
this does not make sense. How and who decides who is comitting crimes against humanity. who will listen to those cries and help those thusands that have no parents alive in Iraq
You missed the part where the US did not sign the treaty....The U.S is not subject to it's laws, so Bush can freely invade at will.
At the end of the day, the major sticking point with these international laws comes down to their ability to be enforced and right now, NATO is a largely ineffective presence (especially when compared to the the US). Right now, the US is the global superpower in terms of military power and even if charges were raised against Bush, there would be no feasible way to bring Bush to trial. Even if, NATO was able to charge and ascertain Bush, the US did not agree to the treaty and NATO would be risking a much larger international military conflict which the would inevitably lose.
well, millions is an exaggeration. hundreds of thousands is accurate. we forget saddam hussein fought the ayotollah for us in iran 20 years before, and bin laden the russians ten years before. they turned against us as allies for some reason, and as a nation, we do need to study that and conclude why. but bin laden signed his own death warrant with his twin towers attack on U.S. soil. iraq is different. bush and his staff of ninnies went way over the line for an agenda that has never been openly disclosed or discussed. saddam wasn't cool if you were in iraq and acting up. i am unaware of any fact that has him mistreating and killing americans; he never did anything here, and was laughing to 60 Minutes a week before we invaded just because of that fact. if someone knows specific crimes against america or americans he did, i would appreciate knowing. i also, whenever it all is said and done, would like to see an impartial international forum review that action by the previous administration. maybe saddam deserved it, and maybe he didn't. because of the lies and false claims, we may never know. and our own troops deserve better when asked to go in the line of fire. no one is braver, but they need to be sent for just cause. always. bin laden was.
thse people seem to have been corrupted by the MIC(military-industrial-complex) in Washington where moral principles no longer have a place!
You make this sound like the MIC just started with Obama; that says a let about where your opinion is coming from. What about the Iraq War and that blood, This conversation was about MO not OBama or Bush or any of our former Presidents, unless you are talking about the MIC Blood since Eisenhower warned us about the MIC.
What about all the US soliders killed in Irag, started by Bush for no reason
Are you really that blind... I dont remmber Obama killing and shooting American citzens just becase of a peaceful protest..
How would you feel if you want due process for your freedom un armed.. and to beaten aor worse killed for it.. Gadafhi is not even trying to not kill innocents he just does not care...
Even when America has no choce they do thier VERY best to minimized or no do it at all ...
What an idiotic comment!
... Roosevelt and Churchill happen to have even more "blood on their hands."
R-U STUPID?
if obama has blood on his hands you are really disguising an attack on america and the military, and you have a good name, onesmallvoice, but it should be oneunheardvoice.
you are anti-american all the way in the course taken by president's who came way before our current one, as did the policies being complained about.
we are supposed to sit back and watch the raping and murdering mayhem?
the people are who stood up, and i'll lend them more than just a hand, any say.
you have treason and traitor all over your words, if, in fact, you are actually an american citizen, which i doubt.
"The ICC was created in 2002 as the permanent predecessor to ad-hoc international justice bodies like the International Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and Yugoslavia. The basic idea was a good one – leaders who commit genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity deserve to be punished. The ICC’s mandate kicks in when it is clear that national legal systems won’t bring a leader with blood on his hands to justice."
So when will the ICC issues arrest warrants for the Bush family?
@Voice....You're an idiot.....
as soon as they have issued warrents for LBJ, FDR and Wilson for the civil right abridgements committed by their adminstration.
Get a life!
I absolutely agree. When?? I live for that day!
No they are not; The logical reasoning is here in black and white ink; False pretents for war and Geneva Convention rules broke; Of course American exceptionalism is the reason why it want happen.
Come at us foreign bros! U mad the US has the strongest military in the world and therefore, regardless of its acts, will never be called out internationally because the international communities inability to properly engage the US on any front? Ya, u mad.
ICC, or the European rule of law??? That's hillarious. Far more than 100 million, men, women, children, even babies were murdered in cold blood in Europe the past 100 years. Even Rawanda or Cambodia can be considered poster child in comparrison to the likes of Auswitz. Europeans murdered more people than all the world's Continents combined... And, we are to trust the morality of Europe?
can anyone take him serious. bagdad bob and him used to play twister on a regular basis.
The whole thing is a big debacle. I don't like the guy any more than the rest of the populace, but I think the whole shenanigan is backfiring on all the sides with special interests in the matter. I mean come on. It started out as a "no-fly zone." Then it became a "no-fly zone plus." Then we just started taking out "tactical" targets to enforce the no-fly zone. Then we decided to train the rebels. Then we decided to arm them, too. Then we decided to bomb the place into next week. Now, since none of the above have worked, and public interest in the matter is running foul, the ICC issues an arrest warrant? I mean come on. That's funnier than a Mark Twain book.
Sooooooooooooo predictable. As if they (USA, France, etc.) all interested in keeping the control of the oil for themsleves, DID not know that by pushing him (Gadhafi) he is going to react just like he is doing and that would make him a BAD boy in the eyes of ... well, we are all fed the news and we can all see how bad the boy is and we then will look the other way when the big guys come and take over and BINGO, the oil in the hands of those who can (and will) control us from now on. Yes, not a thing we can do, but at least we can see their game. Maybe we should all blind and dont see it, but I am glad I still have brain. And as per all these SOBs in these countries, I have a question: He, Mr. Gadhafi has been in power for 40 years... you have dealt with him and so on... why now? need more power?
Interesting fact.Just red news from China and Russia.No any information about International Cort and Gaddafi !!!
I think everybody understand?.
WHAT ABOUT SYRIA. NO ONE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE SYRIAN BEING KILLED EVERYDAY, MORE THAN GADHAFI. THE ICC IS BLIND, UNLESS THE U.S GIVES THEM A CALL FOR A FAVOR
One monster at a time, dude.
The article's wrong. Belarus never signed the treaty, and neither Russia nor Ukraine are parties to it (same status as US). Learn what countries are in Europe, CNN.
Russia is not Europe
Where is Russia if not in Europe??
Last time I checked, the Ural Mountains were the accepted boundary between Europe & Asia. That would put Russia & Ukraine and Belarus squarely in Europe. Learn your geography, dude.
good call people speaking before knowing the facts; they may not even know 5 capitals in Central time zone.
One Tomahawk can save a $billion in legal fees.
I totally agree.
The western countries are preventing peace to prevail in the world..
They must let other countries to enjoy peace and find other means to boost their economy.
Who rules the World by the way?????
That's quite simple,Andrew. The right-wing thugs in Washington are aspiring to do just that by telling all others what to do!!!
??? Obama is now a right wing thug? Hilary Clinton? Reid? The left wing have supported all three wars also, stop this partisan BS.
Just to be sure I understand. Are you saying these despots should be allowed to maim and murder their citizens at will?
"The ICC was created in 2002 as the permanent predecessor to ad-hoc international justice bodies like [...]"
Predecessor? You mean *successor*, right?
Ha! You are correct! I read that post & didn't catch it. Guess I read it thru rose colored lenses. Good catch.
Why the pretense of justice? Unleash the US and NATO hit squads. The precedent was set with the OBL sanction and the BHO poll numbers confirm the action, right? Whew, the world feels like a safer place already.
I don't agree at all with what went on in Libya. I have a bad time to accept the credibility of the ICC, as it brings an indictment against Gaddafi, his son and his brother-in-law, while it lets others go and get away with murder.
As I had been victim of a miscarriage of justice and suffer from the trauma of an erroneous ruling, I have basically lost my fate in judiciary.
Correction: I have lost FAITH in judiciary. Law is infallible, yet not those who practise it. I encourage everybody to rise up and fight against injustice.
How bout spending those billions over here,plenty of scum bag politicians to prosecute,the imf pres is a great example how twistid these officials actually are
This is absolutely ridiculous. An arrest warrant. Ha!! Total JOKE!!! Does anyone actually think Gadhafi loses a hair or a a second of sleep over this? The dictator who was born in a Bedouin camp who rose to become the so called "king of kings" of Africa does not care about an arrest warrant or the political moves by others who want to make it look like they tried to help end the slaughter. As if a piece of paper that calls for Gadhafi's arrest will do anything to stop the shelling of Misrata.
Another useless international organization which does nothing but look good on paper – if that. The President of Sudan travels freely around Africa and in all those countries there that signed this treaty yet not a ONE of them has arrested him, in fact they protested that he was indicted at all. And what is done about that? Not a thing because this organization has no real power and only the jurisdiction others give it when they feel like it. It's a good thing Bush "unsigned" this and that Congress has never ratified it because it 1) doesn't work and 2) they would probably want us to foot their bill.
He should tell them he'll surrender once charges are brought against the former Bush Administration. What's right is right.
It's 2011 now and Bush has been out of office for over 2 years. You might want to catch up with the times...oh wait, Bush Derangement syndrome is a permanent condition. You will be soured and hateful the rest of your life complaining about how the evil Bush destroyed the world. Enjoy your life.
Time to spit out the Kool Aid and move on........
Yes Mr. Lindsay it could backfire. It could also serve as the springboard for someone or a group to turn Gadhafi over to international authorities for prosecution. Why are your speculations newsworthy?
Ghadoofi has been given so many chances to give up and run. We never gave so many chances to Saddam. The whole Ghadoofi family is being stupid even though his son was educated in the west and should know that they should have taken the deal and run when the opportunity was there. The end is near now. In next 5 years, not only the middle east but the whole world will look completely look different.
Make the warrant " Wanted Dead or Alive " for the murder of his people and lets not forget Lockerbie Bombing Flight 103. To allow this Pig to live is a travesty of justice . Charles Bowen Solomon Stone
NONE IS GOD EXCEPT ALLAH
ALLAH or whomever, i really don't mind at all if He can spare Africans blood from the hands of NeoColonization will do.... Africa is being victim for its resources; so if ALLAH, Yeshua, God or whomever can do something to stop it will be well.............
say what?
You are as ignorant as Muhammad
Do you really believe all that s#it you are shoveling? If so, you are truly "mentally challenged"...
Your name is Arabic, and you still don't know that Allah is the Arabic word for GOD. Shame1
Allah means "Moon God"
it's not that IT COULD it's more like IT WILL. Gadhafi is NOT going without a fight. to think otherwise is naive.
too much going on in the middle east.
Yep, a stupid body call ICC a western aparatus against those who don't comply with their request of absolute obedience. It's funny because Obama looks more like Bush, but Bush was not hypocrite at all. Bush said and did what he wanted, and everyone knew about it. Obama says something and does another, i really want a refund on my campaing contributions.
I have one word for Luis Moreno-Ocampo, Obama, and the United Nations...SYRIA.
I certainly hope the Hague has the power to pursue international monetary criminals whose crimes cause a much more subtle and more widespread form of pain upon the people, but sadly.. it will only be used to persecute people the West hates. Guess we'll just have to settle for some unenforceable warrants on a guy we can't find again..
Perhaps Gadaffi will be the next Osama.
Oh great god of Politic, how you torture us so with your worthless yet expensive words..
Still waiting to hear about the arrest warrant issued for Bashar Assad in Syria, now they're finding mass graves. Anyone? Helloooo...? Bueller?
Give em some time, it's coming.
As blind and dumb as you're; you forgot the most wanted criminal aka GWB. Look within yourself.
You forgot the most wanted criminal aka GWB. Look within yourself.
Ah..seems to me that Bush would be next in line for the ICC to begin looking at. Was it not proven that he declared war and attacked Iraq full well knowing that there was no WMS or any other direct threat to the US? As my ma used to say...Whats good for the goose is good for the Gander. Start lining them up.
Pinochet was arrested on the principle of universal jurisdiction. Al Bashir and Gaddafi would be limited in their area of travel to the third world countries that embrace them often because of the leaders' military and economic support. They risk arrest whenever they travel and the longer and more effectively the ICC issues indictments the more of a deterrent factor the institution will have in the future. Moreover, the indictment comes after negotiations to get Gaddafi to leave for exile failed.
I think in today's world, just about everyone in politics has blood on their hands...
I couldn't disagree more. The ICC and the Hague WCT are a great tool to disuade authoritarian regimes and dictators from unleashing hell on their people once their despotic rule is challenged by the masses.
Any comparison between Obama and Gaddhafi comes from either total ignorance or purposeful incitement. The U.S. does not PURPOSEFULLY target civilians (as Gaddhafi has threatened and acted through time after time) and hire mercenaries from RUSSIA and SERBIA to come terrorize U.S. citizens on our soil! I am sick and tired of hearing about "state sovereignty" as an excuse to do NOTHING when genocide and mass murder is perpetrated by governments! Sovereignty is a fluid concept that continues to adapt to the contemporary realities and should not give shelter to madmen like Saddam, Gaddhafi, Miloshevich, and Janjawed Militia!
Wes: 1. All the deceased soldiers from the wars he pledged to end and the clivilians killed in Libya by our bombs.
2. Stop looking in the mirror and you wont have to worry about stupid haters.
This opens a Pandora's box for arrest leaders of any nation. Actually, it cracks me up. Are they picking and choosing now? What about any official that has launched a missile of some sort. Are they really trying to stop "War" from being declared. Are they going to arrest leaders of Hamas, Israel, the US, South and North Korea, Afghanistan leaders, Pakistan, Al Quada, and How about Syria?....... etc? How far up the food chain will they go? Where would arresting stop if it actually ever gets started? Does "The Hague" really have a big enough military to pull this off? If the idea is for peace, this isn't a way it is going to happen.
I agree with this comment. How can the ICC pick and choose who should be arrested or not when I would bet that most of the leaders in the world could be considered as committing "crimes against humanity" depending on who you ask. But I guess it's all about who has the power makes the rules, and it depends on whether or not the ICC has the power to carry out such an arrest that will determine if this means anything at all.
But like American Citizen said, if peace is the goal, or the safety of Libyan civilians is the goal, then this will likely do more harm than good.
International Arrest Warrants should also be issued against:
1. Henry Kissinger
2. Bill Clinton
3. George HW Bush
4. Madeline Albright
5. George W. Bush
6. Dick Cheney
7. Paul Wolfowitz
8. Donald Rumsfeld
I like your list? I am sure there are more? The two on the top of my list would be Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and a third one invited to this party would be non other then Carl Rove.
Lame.
You forgot this dumb woman aka Coni Rice. I have never seen a woman this dumb. No wonder she still single.
I'm surprised you don't have JFK or FDR or MLK on that list, noticed you didn't have Obama on the list but you did have Clinton. The only "real" peaceful president who is also the only modern president to balanced the budget and ship away at the national debt on the list, quite crazy list I make add marking it baised.
sorry that list is so incomplete , QE2 of England has had it both sides of the Channel, east is the straigjht relationship with the perpetrators presumed Germans (assuming that dead Gadaffi relatives are only chicken excrement given their fate at the hands of NATO), west by murdering more Irish peasants trying to starve them to death .
Ya think!!! That was the first thing I thought of when I heard there was an effort to get a warrant. They should've let him flee to another country first.
Maybe he has executive privilege. That's why they didn't arrest old Tricky Dick Nixon.
All these loser dictators claim they will fight to the death, before they retire to their rat-hole.
Fake and bogus charges.
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He already made a decision to fight to the death. This is about the people who are enabling him to hang on – who need to be reminded that the situation is ultimately hopeless.
Who has more blood on their hands than the presidents of the United States? It is total hipocracy to seek arrest, or prosecution of another nations leader, when the US President is committing whole sale murder/genocide on people, societies, cultures, factions, etc... across the globe. The investigating bodies are extremely biased and discriminatory in their application of the warrants. They don't have the balls to indict W, or others within the US.
What the leader of Iraq was doing and allowing to be done to the people of Iraq justified that invasion.The leader of Iraq was doing the same things as Gadhafi.Killing civilians and committing terrible terrible terrible atrocities.Even remember that leader of Iraq using chemical weapons on those thousands of Kurds ? Remember finding the mass grave with millions buried after the count ?Would you allow that in your neighborhood ? The world is a neighborhood,and the U.S.A. and allies helped their neighbors being systematically killed.The U.S.A. and allies are helping their neighbors in Libya today.Some of the posts make me wonder what kind of neighbor I would have in you in any country.Come on people where the world is so uncivilized to it`s people needs to stop.We all need to be a part of this else the world goes to Hell for our children and their and their and their and so forth.It is unfortunate innocents get killed in the process of getting rid of those who trash this world. ..Chill a bit and think about it people...We need to do what we can while were alive just like those who made the world a better place who have died anytime in the past doing good things thinking of us...Let us not be selfish...Leave a mark of good before you die...Sorry for the long post,but it needed to be said & realized ,so good gets rewarded & done..Peace to all...Trying to be a friend : Aacon
Duhhhh. It's not like Khadaffy would turn himself in.
If this is the criteria for arrest warrents, then Ocampo should file arrest warrents for those people that are operating the drones and killing civilians in Afganistan and Pakistan.
We will get him.It`s just a matter of time before Gadhafi is made to in some way answer for his actions.To the ones wondering why Russia & China are not a part of going after Gadhafi.It was a matter of keeping military secrets on all sides.
Gadhafi-duck fighting to the death with the rest of this polluted family works for me. Death ti Gadhafi-duck
Just put a reward on Gaddafi or Al-Bashir head and I'm sure there will be takers, even within their respective militaries. Money talks!
I don't think indicting Gadhafi will make much difference to him either way. It's pretty clear he's going to hang on either way. After all, he has few places to go, and, even if he does find a country that will take him, that nation is going to face enormous pressure to hand him over to either the ICC, Libya, or another country for prosecution.
However, indicting him could have some beneficial effects. The people below him could be offered deals in exchange for offering evidence against him. Not only will that strengthen the case against Gadhafi, but it might also serve to destabilize his government. I doubt all the people associated with his regime are ready to go down with him. Many, given the right mix of threats and incentives, could cut and run. And if enough of them desert him, his regime could collapse.
If this jackleg stupid SOB Obama pres. that we have decides to shoot Gadhafi, we'll have yet another problem with the ignorant arabs left running around Libya without their leader...Leave Gadhafi ALONE!!!
This is phony a s a three dollars bill... if this idiot Luis Moreno-Ocampo want to go after criminals who have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity than he has to call for arrest warrant for Bush, Blair and their cronies for the slaughter of over a million Iraqis...
this gotdayum Obumma should start taking care of the US stock market by helping push energy companies other than OIL to get busy turning out products to get us off of oil...then we would not have to screw around with Libya or any other towelhead country...But Obuzza refuses to do that and be president for a CHANGE!!!
As I recall, Obama has been pushing high speed rail as an alternative to all the cars on the road, with south Florida being a test market, but Rick Scott said no. In fact, many Republicans are dead set against the idea because they consider any sort of public transit to be socialism.
And how exactly is he supposed to force these companies to do anything without getting Congress to pass laws requiring them to do so? And, with so many members being in big oil's back pocket, don't hold your breath.
Oh, and, just for the record, I have friends from the Middle East, so I don't appreciate your "towelheaded country" remark one bit.
yes, this ICC should arrest bush, cheney, rumsfeld, tony blair, and any other western leader who committed crimes against humanity just as these 3rd world leaders are villainized for doing the same things.. difference is the US and euro leaders smile and wave to the camera as their attrocities proceed, Mo can just hide in a cave or perhaps Pakistan.. noone will ever find him there
American and UK presidents and prime ministers go anywhere in the world and destabilize governments, set up dictatorships and kill at will and there has never been an arrest warrant even thought of. What a racist white supremacist world we live in.
It makes no difference what they say or anyone says. It is up to the rebels whether they will see their goals through or not. They will either defeat Gadhafi, or not. Only these people will inevitably determine the outcome.
The United States should remove all restraints from Isreal and let her deal with the whole middle east situation.Twice she had every arab country that amounted to anything on their knees and if hadn't been for the U.S. and the U.N. it would be a jewish middle east now Those were the biggest two mistakes The U.S. made during those times.The biggest NOW is not Supporting Isreal In whatever way she wants to deal with the situation.
Well, Well! Why haven't we then prosecuted the Zionists for terrorizing the Palestinians. The Brits of the war crimes they committed in India, Kenya and for the three million people they killed during the 1943 Bangal famine. Or the French of the atrocities they committed in Algeria and the genocide of May 8th,1945. Ironically, it was the very same day they celebrated the defeat of Nazism. Let's prosecute first America for invading Vietnam and Iraq. Why not prosecute the Italians of the crimes the committed in Libya. Please, Don't lecture me about war crimes.
"To know oneself, one should assert oneself. Psychology is action, not thinking about oneself. We continue to shape our personality all our life. If we knew ourselves perfectly, we should die."
- Albert Camus
sorry , Zionist is not a word, given that this sort of sensitivity could put Ocampo of Moorish decent in the dock himself given his own and his ancestors attempt to eradicate jewishness from Spain some time earlier, please the word Franco is also abolished nowadays,
Strange it comes from US and NATO who deliberately murdered civilians consisting of the family members of Gadafi namely his son's civilian family with children and grand children to force him to surrender and deliberately murdered a commission of Imams as well . What's up ! That come from the same invertebrates including Ocampos of the world who just few decades ago were at each others throat in Europe and committed the worst war crimes eliminating millions of citizens not to mention even the total burning and exterminating German men women and children in Dresden and other places. Should not the leaders of NATO now face the same music for what they are doing in Libya? No wonder they cannot even face their African counterparts to preach. As for Obama even Cain would win a prize for good conduct instead of him. So that is the future world democracy we really are working for. Don't worry then, the same lunatics in Bengazi as well as the Middle East watching the developments are keeping tabs on these hypocritical, myopic and nonsensical ICC rubbish. The Bengazi , Bahrain and Damascus leaders are just laughing at how little , that is oil, is needed to turn the European so called white faces black. Don't blame them later.
shusssshh, unless you want to end up like Eichman
Hi prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo, try it with Nitin yahoo!
He is going to fight until the closest people realize he is a just a criminal and throw him out.
WHAT A PRUNE FACE..................Reminds me of a vice-principal I once knew
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