EXCERPTS
Check out some excerpts from the conversation on the Middle East, with CNN's Elise Labott and Josh Rogin from Foreign Policy magazine's blog The Cable talking with Netanyahu's spokesman Mark Regev.
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Also, check back this afternoon for Elise Labott's interview with the Chief Representative of the Palestine Liberation Organization Mission to the United States, Maen Areikat.
MARK REGEV LIVE
1:29pm: Elise Labott says benefits of peace are clear and the deal is clear, why can't the two sides just agree on it? Regev says we have to negotiate and we need to have a deal based on two fundamental principles. Regev says Israel needs to hear Jewish aspirations are legitimate. Secondly, peace has to be based on security, says Regev.
1:27pm: "How does Hamas run Gaza? They rule with an iron first" says Regev.
1:26pm: Elise Labott says the Arab Street is setting pace and tone of change. You don't have dictators that were willing to look after Israeli interests. Regev says Israel has nothing to fear from democracy in the Arab World.
1:23pm: Regev says there are many examples of sovereign states with foreign forces on their territory.
Netanyahu’s spokesman Mark Regev answers your questions live here now.
1:20pm: Elise Labott (@eliselabottcnn) says can't you commit to specific areas where you can't build? Regev says "Israel will play its cards in the process of negotiations."
1:19pm: Josh Rogin(@joshrogin) asks why Netanyahu doesn't limit settlement expansion. Regev saying Netanyahu should be given credit for restraint on settlements here.
1:18pm: Regev explains why West Bank settlements necessary for Israeli security here.
1:14pm: Regev answers the question of iReporter Hao Li of Atherton, California - How can Israel and the United States be serious about a "2 state solution" if it is not willing to engage with a essential political player–a democratically elected Hamas party–regardless of their political position?
1:12pm: Mark Regev, Prime Minister Netanyahu's spokesperson is discussing land-swaps here. He is saying that Israel cannot agree on a final position of a border without guarantees.
STAY TUNED
Prime Minister Netanyahu spoke for nearly 50 minutes to a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress. He received 26 standing ovations. We will have lots of analysis on CNN.com/GPS in the minutes and hours ahead. What did you think?
Do you have a question for Netanyahu? At 1pm, Netanyahu’s spokesman Mark Regev (@israelipm) will answer YOUR questions live.
Submit your questions now via iReport, through the Global Public Square and on Twitter with the hashtag #BibiSpeech.
Elise Labott (@eliselabottcnn) of CNN (@natlsecuritycnn) and Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) of Foreign Policy (@fp_magazine) will interview Regev live at 1pm today using your questions.
LIVE BLOGGING NETANYAHU'S SPEECH
12:07: Netanyahu to Abbas: "Tear up your pact with Hamas....Make peace with the Jewish state."
12:06: Netanyahu reaffirms Hamas is the Palestinian version of al Qaeda.
12:05: "Hamas remains committed to Israel's destruction and terrorism....Hamas' leader condemned the killing of Osama bin Laden and praised him as a holy warrior."
12:05: "Peace cannot be imposed. It must be negotiated." Netanyahu urges all to resist Palestinian push for statehood at the United Nations this September.
12:o3: "There is an America beyond the beltway but Israel on the 1967 lines would be only 9 miles wide. So much for strategic depth. It's therefore absolutely vital that a Palestinian state be fully demilitarized...and that Israel maintain a long-term military presence along the Jordan river."
12:oo: Jerusalem must remain the united capitol of Israel."
11:58: Netanyahu says Israel will incorporate certain new population centers and "other areas of national strategic importance." This is likely a veiled reference to areas Israel has a keen security interest in, chief among them the Jordan Valley. The future of the Jordan Valley, and whether it would be under permanent Palestinian or Israeli security control, has long been a source of tension and disagreement.
11:57: "Israel will be generous on size of the state, but very firm on where we put the border with it."
- Disturbance in House chamber during Netanyahu's speech by Deirdre Walsh: A woman was removed from the House Chamber by U.S Capitol Police Tuesday after interrupting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to a joint meeting of Congress. Police escorted her out of the chamber and she was heard screaming "equal rights for Palestine" loudly on the third floor of the Capitol outside the chamber. She also yelled, "The occupation of Palestine is indefensible." U.S. Capitol Police appear to be taking her out of the building for processing
11:55: Netanyahu says the issue is about recognition of Israel as a Jewish state.
11:53: Calls on Mahmoud Abbas to stand before his people and say, "'I will accept a Jewish state.' Those six words will change history."
11:53: "The continue to educate their kids to hate....They continue to perpetuate the fantasy that Israel will one day be flooded by the descendants of Palestinian refugees. My friends, this must come to an end."
11:51: "The Palestinians have been unwilling to accept a Palestinian state if it meant accepting a Jewish state alongside it. Our conflict has never been about the existence of a Palestinian state. It is about the existence of a Jewish state. This is what this conflict is about." Netanyahu laying blame for lack of peace at the feet of the Palestinians.
11:51: "If benefits of peace are so clear, why has peace eluded us?"
11:50: "Peace could make the regime of a broader Arab-Israeli peace a realistic possibility."
11:47: "In Judea and Samaria, the Jewish people are not foreign occupiers. We are not the British in India. We are not the Belgians in the Congo. This is the land of our forefathers." Acknowledges Israel will have to give up elements of "historic homeland."
11:46: Calls for economic and political support for those committed to peace - Egypt and Jordan. "We must also find a way to forge a lasting peace with the Palestinians."
11:43: Netanyahu now turns to peace, drawing on his own background. "I lost my brother, so no one in Israel wants a return to those terrible days."
11:42: "The more Iran believes all options are on the table, the less the chance of confrontation."
11:41: "History will solute you, America!" says Netanyahu.
11:40: "In much of the international community, calls for our destruction are met with utter silence. It's even worse because their are many who condemn Israel for defending itself against Iran's terror proxies. Not you. Not America."
11:37: Case against Iran: (a) spur nuclear arms race; (b) give terrorists a nuclear umbrella; and (c) empower nuclear terrorism. "Threat to my country cannot be overstated."
11:36: Says democracy has begun to take root in the Arab World. Says a Middle East that is genuinely democratic will be truly at peace. "But while we work for the best...we must also recognize that powerful forces oppose this future....Foremost among these forces is Iran."
11:34: "Of 300 million Arabs, less than 1/2 of 1% are truly free and they're all citizens of Israel. This startling fact reveals a basic truth: Israel is not what is wrong about the Middle East. Israel is what is right about the Middle East."
11:33: Quotes George Eliot, who predicted "'The Jewish state will shine like a bright star of freedom amidst the despotism of the East.' She was right."
11:31: "Today, the Middle East stands at a fateful crossroads... I pray the people of the region choose...the path of liberty."
11:30: Netanyahu says "This is real democracy" because unlike "farcical parliaments" in Tehran or Tripoli, there is no such free speech. Very strong riposte to the protester.
11:29: Someone in the audience shouts and interrupts the PM's speech. The audience rises and cheers to drown her out.
11:28: Netanyahu is now addressing the Arab Spring, saying it evokes 1989 Berlin and Prague.
11:27am: Thanks President Obama for his commitment to Israel. Making the case for why America is Israel's best ally.
11:27am: "We defend ourselves." Netanyahu is delivering a number of punchy applause-lines.
11:26am: "Israel has always been pro-American; Israel will always be pro-American."
11:25am: Netanyahu congratulates President Obama for getting bin Laden. "Good riddance."
11:24am: "Israel has no better friend than America. And America has no better friend than Israel." Again a standing ovation.
11:24am: Netanyahu notes friends of Israel in the audience, "Democrats and Republicans alike." This gets a standing ovation.
11:23am: Netanyahu begins address saying he's "deeply moved by this warm welcome" and by the honor of addressing Congress a second time.
11:22am: Speaker Boehner introduces Netanyahu to sustained applause.
11:21am: Netanyahu is at the podium.
11:20am: Netanyahu enters to sustained applause. U.S. Rep Eric Cantor follows.
11:17am: Secretary Clinton and Gates are not in the audience. CNN's Dana Bash says not to read into that.
11:12am: Here's some of what to watch for in the speech:
- What does Netanyahu say about the Palestinians? About Mahmoud Abbas? About Hamas?
- What does he say about President Obama, the '67 lines and swaps?
- What does he say about Iran?
- What does he say about the United Nations vote on Palestinian statehood in September?
- How does he explain why peace hasn't come to pass?
11:07am: Vice President Joe Biden also introducing members of Congress.
BACKGROUND READS
The Council on Foreign Relations lists a number of must-reads on Netanyahu's Policy Options and Challenges:
Must Read: Michael Herzog: Israel Must Set Its Parameters for Peace
Israel's failure to offer its own peace initiative means that it will struggle to gain international support in calling on Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas to choose peace with Israel over a deal with Hamas, writes Michael Herzog in the Financial Times.
Must Read: Ehud Barak: Netanyahu Must Take 'Daring' Steps toward Peace
In a recent interview, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak argues that Israel needs to make a "daring proposal," including a willingness to "deliver an answer to all core issues."
Must Read: Dore Gold: Israel's 1967 Borders Aren't Defensible
Before the Six-Day War, the 1967 boundaries in the West Bank "only demarcated where five Arab armies were halted in their invasion of the nascent state of Israel nineteen years earlier. Legally, they formed only an armistice line, not a recognized international border," argues former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations Dore Gold in the Wall Street Journal. No Palestinian state ever existed that could have claimed these prewar lines.
Must Read: Peter Beinart: Netanyahu's Bizarre Response to Obama's Palestinian Proposal
Netanyahu's rejection of Obama's parameters for negotiation suggests a blind intransigence on the issues facing Israel and ignorance of the "diplomatic tsunami" Israel is about to face, Peter Beinart writes on DailyBeast.com.
Must Read: Neve Gordon: Netanyahu and the One State Solution
Israel's unwillingness to compromise on key issues might annul a two-state solution, making only power-sharing viable, writes Neve Gordon on al-Jazeera.
INTRODUCTION
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will lay out his vision of a settlement with the Palestinians in a speech to Congress on Tuesday.
Watch the speech live on CNN and CNN.com and follow the live blogging here, all beginning at 11 a.m. ET.
And do you have a Mideast peace question? Right after the speech at 1pm, Netanyahu’s spokesman Mark Regev (@israelipm) will answer YOUR questions.
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Elise Labott (@eliselabottcnn) of CNN (@natlsecuritycnn) and Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) of Foreign Policy (@fp_magazine) will interview Regev live at 1pm today using your questions.
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My question for Prime Minister Netanyahu: Why won't you stop Israelis from building settlements in territory you will not allow to become part of Israel?
Why do you ask such an obvious question? this is one of the most crucial questions of all but the Israelis lie lie and continue to lie.
And we are stpid enough to do NOTHING while handing them BILLIONS of $s and for thanks they kick us in the stomach, what great friends they are.
I am you sworn, deadly enemy. Let me move next door to you. Yeah, right!
I am your sworn, deadly enemy. Let me move next door to you. Yeah, right!
funny you say that considering that the palestinian territories are the ones on welfare and living off of donations from the UN and other countries inlcuding the US. Now i will say that the US has weapons contracts with Israel and we are also paying them so they dont develop their own weapons and compete with us on the market if that is what your refering to.
@ Dan, the Palestinians were not a sworn enemy until their land was taken. And your saying they can't "live next door" is to VALIDATE and Agree with Palestinian extremists who don't think Israel should exist "next door." do you get it?
i really wana see how the end will be when the americans ppl cant have acent to wipe there assses after all the money they keep paying for this stuped netenyaho ..
That's because Jews suck less than muslims.
Keith,
you are do correct. It seemed from that addrerss from netanyahu today that the US Congress has become a branch of the Likud party. Pathetic.
the term "palestine" was used by the british in the 1920's when they control the area. jews where living there all that time and before and so where arabs. the day after the UN gave the land back to Israel, they where attacked. they where attacked again in the 6 day war and won back all the land plus the sinai. they gave that back to egypt, they gave these people gaza, they did not destroy any muslim holy buidlings while in their control. they allow arabs to participate in the Israeli government. people should read up on history before they speak. the quote "palestinians" where given part of jordan for a homeland. how did that work out? they tried to establish a homeland in neighboring arab countries, how did that work out? the arabs in Isreal have one of the highest standards of living in the middle east.
Let me guess Keith...and the holocaust didn't happen right?
Sounds like the only lie I'm seeing is the garbage that you're posting.
we give them 8 million per DAY in aid so they can steal land and "settle" it and terrorize palestinians.
What's the point to talk about peace when you are not willing to do it ? No 67 borders, No agreement with Fateh and Hamas, No Palestinian army, Jerusalem to be the ultimate Israeli capital...So how are you going to apply peace ? Just kill innocent women and children ? I WANT ANSWERS, sir !
you probably intended to say that americans should have "FRIENDS" like u who goes and BOMB themselves inside american countries and planes yea isarael is bad u were right in they're insolence they want PEACE AND DEMOCRASY yea but they're wrong... right?
Haha..Of course not. Be friends with the ones who uses banned arms to kill women and children. That's more classy.
and @ usama shitladen, enough of this shit. Not every arab or muslim is Osama Bin Laden.
hey MO and Hawaii can you tell me how many rockets where shot into Israeli civilian towns since Isreal GAVE these wonderful people GAZA? And Name me one arab family that was stabbed to death, including a month old baby girl? Just one arab name, then i'll post a list a family names of civilians killed by arabs, not by army in a militray excercise but by arabs that killed innocent civilians
How ironic we have provided mr netanyahu such an open forum to re-confirm why they wont go back to the 67 borders. What a great public relations opportunity we have provided him.
KEITH: The Israelis are not our friends. They're the friends of politicians who blindly support Israel in return for money, political support, favorable media coverage, etc.. I was so angry when the GOP's traitors came out criticizing the President and accusing him of throwing Israel under the bus. On June 8, 1967 Israeli defense forces delibertely attacked the USS Liberty and murdered 34 Americans and wounded scores more. Our Congress, President Johnson and the Pentagon threw our country under the bus by ordering a finding of mistaken identity. Only one politician dared say anything. You guessed it, he wasn't running for re-election. There will be no peace as long as the US supports racist murderers and until Iran and Syria have nuclear weapons.
@Hirsh. If you wanna know the facts, there is no such thing as Palestine. Zero. The problem was caused by the ancient roman empire who invaded Israel and and replaced Judea/Samaria with Palestine on the world map. It was a hateful deliberate act to screw Israel over. and because the Palestinians and the Jews were arch enemies. Remember David and Goliath? It was done to peace Israel off. But sorry they're back to their land, and there's nothing you or all of middle east put together can do about it.
You are a waste of time and effort and don't feel good that I'm replying to you because frankly if it was just you i wouldn't bother but i do want to thank you for giving me the forum to reply to dumb anti smites in general. you my dear friend Kieth is nothing but a miserable jealous unfortunate excuse of a person,if you had any balls you wouldn't need to hide your hatred behind this issue of the Palestinian's,you don't care for the Muslims that suffer from their very own self destructive leaders that have failed them again and again.In fact your so sick you don't know how to care for anything or any body ,i could imagine... your a lonely despised socially off hate filled ...there is light at the end of the tunnel people like you destroy themselves and one day hopefully will be extinct!
You are a waste of time and effort and don't feel good that I'm replying to you because frankly if it was just you i wouldn't bother but i do want to thank you for giving me the forum to reply to dumb anti smites in general. you my dear friend Kieth is nothing but a miserable jealous unfortunate excuse of a person,if you had any balls you wouldn't need to hide your hatred behind this issue of the Palestinian's,you don't care for the Muslims that suffer from their very own self destructive leaders that have failed them again and again.In fact your so sick you don't know how to care for anything or any body ,i could imagine... your a lonely despised socially off hate filled ...there is light at the end of the tunnel people like you destroy themselves and one day hopefully will be extinct! g-d bless America Israel and all true democracies!
Adam said: "On June 8, 1967 Israeli defense forces delibertely attacked the USS Liberty and murdered 34 Americans and wounded scores more. Our Congress, President Johnson and the Pentagon threw our country under the bus by ordering a finding of mistaken identity."
sanjosemike responds: The USS Liberty incident is the worst thing that Israel has ever done. I think most Israelis recognize that. They paid full reparations to the families involved. It may also have been due to the fact that the Captain of the ship that attacked the Liberty was blitzed drunk. This is nothing to be proud of, as you and I both recognize. Unfortunately America has also had military leaders who got drunk on duty...as early as the War Between the States.
This was horrible and sad. But despite the fact that it was a terrible mistake, it does not take away the fact that Israelis love Americans and respect them. Not just their politicians. I understand your intense anger. It is justified. But it is not a reason for the US to jettison Israel, despite your passion for that exact result. Like it or not, America and Israel are fighting most of the same battles.
Keith, i did not think there is a open minded like you in us ,despite too much propaganda in your mess media.you got the point.
Why won't murderous Islamic inbreds recognize Israel?
Why won't murderous Islamic inbreds stop terrorizing Israel?
Not every piece of land land you Muslims migrate and infest belongs to you. If Muslims were to recognize rights of non-Muslims, none of this would have started in the first place.
@"thetruth" you are channel Hitler and Goebbels with your racism
The Truth: You sound like a jobless uneducated fellow who watches Fox news the whole day. You hatred towards other religions and thoughts are scary. Please think like a human. Religion comes second. Let's look at the facts and create a peaceful solution. One of the mandate of an accepted solution by both parties would be their recognition of each other.
u named your self the truth..what do you really know about the truth..u were there when the jewish came on the banana boats to palestine and killed thousands of ppl and took thier land and their houses and took everything..from them and pushed them to run to all the arab countries ..how do you feel about that..do you feel sorry for israel..what if they come and kill your family and take your home ..i guse you will be happy..
hey "the truth" , have you thought about us? christian palestenians? our rights are also humiliated by israel , it's not about islam , the media made it easy for you to say your openion by putting that conflict under the name of conflict between islam and israel , or islam and the west , unfortuunately .
the truth: that is not their land, it is an occupied territory. Why don't they want Palestine to be recognized as a state???? Why don't they acknowledge that the Palestinians also have rights????? Israel wants everything for themselves, they a parasite.
They cannot recognize Israel until Israel declares its borders. It just happens to work that way in international law. Or else, any one of us can demand that we be recognized - starting with my house and yard - and then as time goes by including my neighbors' property into "my country". But since I stil have plans to enlarge "mu country" , all I am asking is that my neighbors recognize my "right to exist". Not only that. Having gobbled up good chunk of my city, now I want my country to be recognized as the country of Bianca's people, and all other will not have equal rights as citizens. To that, UN, their neighbors and the rest of the world said: return to your original borders, allow your neighbors to belong to the country that existed before you annexed them - and your neighbors will recognize you according to the international law withing the borders that are legally yours. And no, there is no support in international law that legalizes apartheid - so you cannot claim that only your conationalists/coreligionists can have citizenship rights in your state. Even if you return to your borders, and you are recognized as a state by your neighbors, you cannot claim apartheid rights. Does this help?
as soon as israelis recognizes Palestine then they would
What everyone needs to understand is that capitalism is creating a lot of problems in this world. Israel will never have peace because they are run by defense contractors and oil companies, just like the US. Peace is bad for their businesses. just look throughout history, the slaves, imperialism, the US civil war, the worthless cold war, was all because of capitalism. The Iraq war was not for oil, it was to create instability to drive oil prices up. almost every problem in this world can be linked to capitalism. Until we get rid of this barbaric system we wont get even close to world peace.
Jewish racist as usual, don't know shit in history, geography, or politics. Just kiss ass from Americans to get help to survive. Ask for peace with ur neighbors and admit ur killings and terrorizing your neighbors since 1948. Be honest to itself for one time and see who is the terrorist, who occupies who's land, who did massacres in Palestine and Lebanon and has no value for human lives. I stop here for now
by the way to all the jew haters in the crowd, hows the civilian population in Yemen, Syria, Lybia and all the other arab control countries doing because they are tired of dictators? How many thousands of arab where killed just in the last 2 month by other arabs????
Progress: i think you are probably right. banksters make money off of instability.
@Hirsh: i see no racism here, but i see antisemitism. those murderous hateful scoundrels you call Palestinians are filled with lies, hate and covetousness. All of Jerusalem belongs to the Jews. it is a historical fact. you Muslims and anti Semites are full of jealousy and trouble. Palestine wants a state only ON the condition that Israel agrees to commit suicide. how pitiful and wicked. but i have news 4 u: IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Every thing they wish on Israel will surely come upon them. LOSERS!
as matter of fact isreal or israel whatever has no right to exist n we will expel them from the tiny place n put them back to concentration camps.
i refer you to press.TV .con to find the truth.
Isreal continues to ignore UN and International mandates. Every other country is threatened with sanctions but this one is rewarded with largest portion of foreign aid and transer of advanced military technology. The argument that "It is God primised land to them" will be thrown out in any International court. Let's create a two state solution and let everone live in peace.
how do you live in peace with someone who doesnt recognize your right to exist and threatens to kill you? answer that bright one. Did you read what happened to the Isreali family next the west bank. Dad, Mom and three children where sliced up worse than an animal.
How do you live in peace when your neighbor is continually lobbing rockets at you from across the border? Israel is constantly under attack. Can you imagine how we would react if we were getting shelled from Tijuana? We would attack mercilessly. Mexican's are still pissed off at the US for taking land they think should still belong to them even though we won it war. Just saying......rockets from Mexico into the US would be met with much more hostility than Israel shows the Palestinian's.
You first have to know the history & the true facts that happened When The UN made Israel a state, I was 13 at the time.
The UN voted & Israel became a state, But prior to that the for thousands of years Palestinians & the Israeli were living side by side , Neighbors . They even partied together. They even worked & had business's together. Then came the vote, The Arab sheik's from the surrounding nation's told the Palestinians not to live with the Israeli, To move out, that they would give them gun's & money to fight them, When they started to move the Israeli said you don't have to move, nothing has changed or will change.& they listened to the Sheiks, They fought & lost the battle, They lost the land in the battle, & attacked the Israeli again in the 1967 war, & lost again & lost more land. & still listen to outsiders, even till this day. Its the outsiders that want israeli out, Not the Palestinians.
What a big smooth-spoken liar is Netanyahu, And how mutch the americans congres are hypocrite and racial,
Netanyahu claim that he want the peace While Israel don't want stop stealing the palestinians land and build settlments! don't want give more than 3 millions palestinians a country!
he talked that he need from palestinians before start peace to recognize israel as a jews state while there are 5 millions christians and muslims live behind israeli borders (occupation).
even UN and US didn't recognize israel as a jewish state,
Yes there are a good relation between israel and USA, both are very big racial country. alas
President Obama brings up this topic in the midst of the Arab Spring? How dangerous is that? It's like telling your boss that you think he's a j-hole whilst Michelle is touching the Queen. How disrespectful!
I find it hard to believe that our president would choose to spend some lovely time in England while Prime Minister Netanyaho is here speaking to Congress. Strange.
You must be insane, Fox has Glen Beck, Hannity and all the other lunatics who couldn't tell you the time without spinning it against the democrats.
Yes CNN has a Dem. bias but they always allow the opposing views to be heard, did you EVER hear an opposing view on FOX.
My question for everyone . . . only 38% of the Israeli population actually lives in these territories. 49% of the Palestinian population lives in the territory. Meaning, over have of both live elsewhere peacefully amongst other people of other religions and other beliefs. Why is this such a big deal? Heck, just turn the land into a big environmental park and move elsewhere like the rest of your people. Quit killing each other!
- Jules Mermelstein, because the strategy has been to demonstrate Israel's constant preparedness for peace by not formally annexing all of Judea and Samaria (recently called "the west bank" in order to disassociate from its long Jewish roots), and if it did annex it all, democratic Israel would have to grant full citizenship to all the residents.
Any peace deals are consistently torpedoed by the radical Muslims (who instigate "intifadas" and other terror) so for lack of any border defining deal Israelis simply legally buy and build on their ancestral heartland and the fate of those buildings will be determined at a later time. Of course much more massive Arab construction goes on there and is not termed "settlement" or "obstacles to peace". Real estate can change hands, murdered Israelis cannot be brought back. The terror is, of course, the real obstacle to peace, the settlements are just used as a distraction by Arab apologists...
Back again to llies of zionism and manufactured history. how many times does Israel need to be recognized. Israel is built on the destruction of Palestine. YOU DOO NOT have a biblical mandate and this is coming from an Ex Israeli citizen. you just do not want to acknowledge all we have done to the Palestinians. shame on you and every other Israel who lost their moral compass.
- Avi Shlomo, Israel most critically needs to be recognized by those who are its staunchest enemies and who currently intensely try to destroy it. That's not too hard a concept to grasp.
Israel's claim to its land is certainly NOT any kind of biblical mandate. Israel actually sits on land that was either repurchased in modern times, received by international mandate from those who conquered it from other conquerors, granted it by UN resolution, or was regained in defensive wars. None of that qualifies as "stolen".
What do you mean by "the destruction of Palestine"? Are you aware that Jordan sits on 70% of mandatory Palestine (and happens to be 60% Palestinian Arab)?
Are you aware that the area called “Palestine” (originally by the Romans, to disassociate it from the Jews who held it for a thousand years) was largely desolate well into the 19th century and the general population of Palestine (including the area of today’s Jordan which,again, is also Palestine) was tiny, just a few hundred thousand at most, of Christians, Muslims and Jews? The late 19th century, however, saw the influx of highly educated Jewish Zionists returning to Palestine (to which they had pined ever since being banished by the Romans), where they began to clear the malarial swamps and develop agriculture and industry. This Zionist enterprise attracted Arab workers from all over the Mideast – and these are the parents and grandparents of very many of today’s Palestinian Arabs. Into the 20th century that phenomenon continued and the sharp increase in both Arab and Jewish population starts to become much better documented.
It is a myth that the Arab Palestinians are ancient residents supplanted by the Jews.
That IS HISTORY. Israel enjoys absolute intellectual freedom so cannot successfully "manufacture history" even if it wanted to – the only "manufacturing of history" is done by the Muslim propagandists that can get away with it all over Muslim lands where information is very heavily restricted.
once again i'm reading posts by idiots!!! READ HISTORY Jews have lived in Isreal for the last few hundred years along with arabs. In 1967 when all the neighboring Arab countries decided to attck Israel they told the "palestinians" to leave and when the war was over they could come back. How did that work out? Arabs lost, these poor arabs tried to live in other countries, they where Killed, Yes Killed by their fellow arabs and now its called occupied territory. HEY IDIOTS, where did the USA get california, new mexico and texas from? How our the native american indians doing in this occupied territory. READ HISTORY if you can read!
Yes they did... with no problem until Zionism. You are arguing with points that support the other side. The US got it's land from Mexico because the Texas whites did not want to live under Mexican law particularly the law that said they were not allowed to have slaves. That is a horrible example buddy. Maybe you should read your entire history book not just cherry pick... but then conservatives are always very good at cherry picking. God hates fags... but has no problem with me eating shellfish....
Texas whites didnt want to live under mexican law so they took the land from the mexicans. MY POINT. almost every country on the planet has won or controled land that wasnt originally theirs. There are Islands off the caribbean that are british, frence, english why arent they occupoed land. jews have lived in Isreal bfore 1948 and have always been attacked by arabs.Israeli casualtiesCasualties suffered by Israel in war or conflict:
Conflicts prior to Israel's independence Military deaths Civilian deaths Total deaths Military and/or Civilian wounded Total casualties
1920 Nebi Musa riots 0 5 5 216 221
1921 Jaffa riots 0 47[1] 47 146 193
1929 Hebron–Safed riots 0 133 133 339 472
1933 Palestine riots 0 0 0 Unknown Unknown
1936–1939 Arab revolt 0 415+[2] 415 1,200+ 1,615
1938–1948 British–Zionist conflict Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown Unknown
1947–1948 Civil War 895 408[3] 1,303+ 2,000[4] 3,303
numbers straight from wikipedia going back to the 1920's when the british controlled israel, taken from arabs, taken from the jews..
Explain me this my dear friend, how come when you go into the arab section of the west bank some of the older homes have slits in them for mezzuzahs? did the arab build these homes or maybe took them from someone else.
And how did new mexico become new mexico? how did parts of california become US land? and how did we treat the original owners of this land, native indians. what if they demand this country back because it is occupied?
in 1967, Israel was attacked, kicked butt and took over just like any other country would. And they didnt destroy andy christian or muslim holy places and have since allowed these two religions to practice in Isreal.. would this happen in Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Irag, Iran, Yemen or any other arab country???
Your point is to the victor goes the spoils.
The strong did what they could the weak suffered what they must
Thucydides
Might makes Right!
So by your logic if the Arabs gang up again and push the Jews into the sea then as long as they win they are perfectly correct. Are you sadistic or stupid?
No zombie you are the stupid one here. First off....The whole of middle east put together cannot defeat Israel. Get it through your blockhead. The only reason this dispute appears to be irreconcilable is because the adversaries are hate filled monsters (Muslims). If they were Christians, this dispute would have long been resolved and forgotten. It is hard to make peace with die hard losers. I blame Palestine for gloating over the success of Israel while they spent all their resources recruiting suicide bombers. This is why i hate Muslims. They are inferior in every sense of the word. In everything! And their only mission now is to bring everyone down to their level. I know truth hurts...but Shame on you zombie. And you are a true zombie.
No zombie you are the stupid one here. First off....The whole of middle east put together cannot defeat Israel. Get it through your blockhead. The only reason this dispute appears to be irreconcilable is because the adversaries are hate filled monsters (Muslims). If they were Christians, this dispute would have long been resolved and forgotten. It is hard to make peace with die hard losers. I blame Palestine for gloating over the success of Israel while they spent all their resources recruiting suicide bombers. This is why i hate Muslims. They are inferior in every sense of the word. In everything! And their only mission now is to reduce everyone down to their level. I know truth hurts...but Shame on you zombie...A real one at that.
Its called a buffer zone.
You first have to know the history & the true facts that happened When The UN made Israel a state, I was 13 at the time.
The UN voted & Israel became a state, But prior to that the for thousands of years Palestinians & the Israeli were living side by side , Neighbors . They even partied together. They even worked & had business's together. Then came the vote, The Arab sheik's from the surrounding nation's told the Palestinians not to live with the Israeli, To move out, that they would give them gun's & money to fight them, When they started to move the Israeli said you don't have to move, nothing has changed or will change.& they listened to the Sheiks, They fought & lost the battle, They lost the land in the battle, & attacked the Israeli again in the 1967 war, & lost again & lost more land. & still listen to outsiders, even till this day. Its the outsiders that want israeli out, Not the Palestinians.
Why is Israel held to a higher standard than the US? They have suffered terrorist attacks similar to 9/11 on a yearly basis for decades. When the Arabs start winning elections in the US and demanding sharia law in Arab "owned' towns you'll be sorry you ever supported them.
The US wasn't created less the 70 years ago by pushing out Muslims and creating a state for one particular ethnic/religious group.
I'll keep speaking the trutha and you can keep fight me.
Israel is not an American Ally. They are not democracy. They're a brutal Apartheid state we give billions of dollars a year to support.
That hasn't stopped them from launching false flag terrorist attacks against us, spying on us, selling our nuclear secrets to the soviets, and attempting to massacer the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty as they attempted to flee their sinking ship. The Palestinians haven't recognized Israel's right to exist because it doesn't have one.
Israel keep steal palestinians land and build settlments on it to bring jewish to it, they want to kill all palestine and palestinians dreams.
Want a just peace in the middle east? We should withdraw completely, including all aid. Without U.S. support Israel cannot afford its military. They will have to downsize and their security will then be dependent on making a just peace with its neighbors. As long as we
support them they have no need for peace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_casualties_of_war
TO ALL THAT SAY ISREAL IS A TERROR STATE - EXPLAIN THIS!!!!!!
and please post how many buses, stores, restaraunts, planes, embassy and the like Israel has attacked
I suspect you 're an Arab posing as a real American. Why should I blame u?
Justice must work for Hamas.
Not one thing in his post is true.
Its this kind of thinking (brainwashing)
that is a block to peace.
When the Arab people recognize Israel's right to exist there will be peace. One question; why do Arab people enjoy rights in Israel and Jewish people suffer oppression or eviction from Arab States?
the answer to your question is that you have the facts wrong there hasn't been any more building in controversial settlements during prime minister netanyauh's term (unless you consider Jerusalem which the prime minster explicitly says must remain under Israeli governance) you are being fooled by media attention to the construction in accepted settlements that will remain part of Israel if Israel is to remain in existence. the bottom line for anybody that has been to the region ,seen it's culture of anti Semiticism is that unless new leadership is born on the Palestinian side, the type of peaceful respected leadership (Ex: like Dr.king and the civil rights movement,) that peace is gonna remain nothing but term politicians will use in unrealistic dreamy political nonsense jibe. LET'S BE CLEAR, as president Obama likes to say,this whole discussion of peace is bull being used by the different sides of politics in their games for political gains.I'm still waiting for someone to get up and speak one simple truth PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS NOT ATTAINABLE IN THE PRESENT HOSTILE HATEFUL ENVIRONMENT IN GAZA AND THE WEST BANK WHEN THE PEOPLE WILL CHANGE SO WILL THE SITUATION UNTIL THEN NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!
one day the world will have a judgment day and the nations and people that stood up to this hatred and attempt to destroy the Jewish nation will be brought to justice just like the biblical Egyptians,the ancient Romans, Greeks,Persian empire Spanish inquisitors,crusaders,Russian czars ,Communist Russia,Germany's Nazis,and all the rest of the ones that tried ! they are gone blown off lost in the wind of the generations but the Jew he is still here ,living and fighting once again for his survival long live the Jews sons of Jacob!
Thanks Jules...I am so tired of the Israel playing the victim...when they are the aggressor. Good question...can we send him home and ask him not to come back.
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Israel does continue to lie. How can they expect to be "recognized" if they will not in fact specify what borders contstitute Israel. Define what the borders of the nation are , then ask the Palestinians for recognition.
Do you this believe someone said that my remarks show that I don't believe the Holocaust happened, how can you come to that conclusion? how twisted is the mind that thought that up.
Now as for allowing someone who hates you to move in next door, if they own the property next door then of course they can move in whether is is in Palestine, Jerusalem or Kansas.
When are we going to wake up and tell this pipsqueak country to STOP PUSHING US AROUND. If they don't follow our wishes then go borrow the money we GIVE THEM from China or Russia.
If we did that then Israel would toe the line in a New York minute.
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING THE ISRAELIS PUSHING THEIR BEGGING BOWL IN FRONT OF US THEN SPITTING IN OUR FACES.
A question for Mr. Regev: It seems to me, from my perspective here in the US, that all the noise about '49 armistice lines and '67 borders, and about the Jewish communities in the disputed territories called 'settlements' and about Israel's presence in those territories, called so often 'occupation', just serves to mask the real obstacle to peace in the Middle East for over 100 years now – that is, the rejection of any Jewish connection to the land, and therefore a steadfast opposition to any Jewish state (whatever its borders) on the part of most Muslim, Arab & Palestinian leaders! A mouthful perhaps, but an important question – perhaps the most crucial of all: why is it that world leaders, church leaders, union leaders, academics and so many in the media don't see and recognize this so obvious fact?
What is clear, is that this man has no interest in peace. He continues to leave behind him "reality". If Isreal is recognized,
now it must be recognized as jewish. Palestien is now and will always be Arab land, in a muslim land. No matter how manny congressmen clap and laugh with you. Arab dictators are leaving and the muslim world wont now or ever accept isreal and anything more than arab land stolen. As for this man sugestion that now is the only time all could worship freely, thats a joke to any historion.
Maybe, but expecting to dislodge Israel (aka ethnic cleansing, extermination) I'd say – get used to disappointment!!!
You're an idiot.
Muslims forget that the only reason they have any land at all they can claim as their own is because of their violent history. I'm sick and tired of muslims acting as though they are somehow victims. It is your violent "religion" that is responsible for ALL of the trouble in that region and much of the world. Yeah, Israel is being rigid...but that's because muslims are liars (like when they say their "religion" is peaceful, lol) and because you have 2,500 years of nothing but violently oppressive history. Maybe you should look for your promise land somewhere else. You can start where your friend bin Laden is.
Quran (9:5) – "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." This is why Palestinians will never accept a Jewish state and why they will always be walking backwards and living in crappy conditions. This also explains why Israel will never give them Jerusalem, if anyone wants to pray there they would have to pay the Palis a tax and be treated like garbage.
The land is not Arab and it was not stolen, any more than one could say America was founded on stolen land. There's a historical basis for the Jews settling there, not a religious one, and they were pushed out hundreds of years ago by violent Muslim conquerors. So the Jews were in effect correcting a historical injustice.
@kurtinco
The only reason they have any land/power is because of the oil they have. Had we zero need for oil, they'd be nothing. That's the truth of the matter
hey historian, if this has always been palestinian land then why is there a recognized grave in hebron thats been there for thousnads of years? by the way tell me when Palestine was created, historically. what is there national religion, charter and govermentally structure throughout History? What is there national language? And since we are on History why dont you post what Trans-Jordanian Palestine was about and how that ended up for all us Non-Historians
Another sick Arab talking. Look mark....get this fact through your head. The whole of Arab countries put together will never ever be able to defeat Israel. Didn't Israel pounce of 5 of them all at once? You Arabs make me sick with your level of backwardness in everything including common sense. you hate the truth so much that you are willing to die senselessly. Arabians will inevitably be decimated because of their gloating for Israel's destruction. I'm tired of sharing facts with your like because if u believe Mohamed you will believe anything. Israel will laugh at Arab in the end. mark my word.
There is no such thing as a "Palastinian"
Just Arabs from Egypt, Jordan, Syria.
You rename yourselves the Smurfs, and demand Smufistan.
Whats the difference ?
I would rather live with smurfs !!!!!
Richard, First of all not all Palestinians completely reject Israel. And you can find statements from huge numbers of Israelis denying the existence of a Palestine people despite them being named in multiple Egyptian accounts half a millennia before anyone with a Jewish identity is noted in the region by the Ancient Egyptians. You are just exercising a double standard by takign maximalist positions of some Palestinians but not comparing them to equally idiotic maximalist positions fo many Israelis.. The same occurs with the violecne and killings of innocent civilians. The nubmers show a 25 to one or worse perpetration by Israelis.
Hirsh the only reason that the Kill death ratio between Israelis and Palestinians is so lopsided is because obviously Israel has better weapons but make no mistake 12,000 rockets being fired towards Israel is nothing to sneeze at. Every rocket fired is fired with the intention to kill. would you prefer Israel started strapping bombs to their women and children too?
True not all reject Isreal and answer how many arab countries allow jews to be invovled in the government? Isreal does!
and your telling us that all the sites in Isreal that go back thousands of years and are mentioned in the bible are no prove that jews have been there for years?
Palestine was invented by the Romans.
There is NO historical Egyptian reference to Palestine.
Try again.
Israel, as a "democratic" Jewish state has existed since 1948 and even the majority of Arab nations with no diplomatic relations with Israel have come to recognize that it isn't going away.
Israel is calling on the Palestinians to make peace on their terms which isn't fair given the history of the region. Historically, the Jewishness of the region from the 2nd temple era under Roman rule still remains in present day but NOT in the Israeli Ashkenazi Kahzaria Jews of European origin (who converted to Judasim to stand out against the spread of Christianity and Islam). But insted, the modern day Palestinian Arabs are the descendents proven (controversially) by genetic evidence done by Israeli scientists.
Claiming a land based on biblical purposes with no basis in history is stupid. In all honesty there isn't even proof of a 2nd temple and unanimously archaeologists agree that the Western Wall is part of a Roman Fortification and was never part of a temple. In fact, the Jews used to pray elsewhere until they were kicked out. The Wester Wall is a modern day myth and even though people deny this fact, it is still a fact.
The 'facts on the ground' to borrow from Netanyahu is that Israel exists and has a Jewish identity. I think it's unfair, but because of reality and their army and their nukes it isn't going to change. So the Palestinians will AND HAVE accepted this. In 1988 the PLO accepted it. So why does it keep coming up? Because Hamas, a resistence movement, was born as a result of unending occupation? Can you blame them? If Israel wants to stop terror they NEED to make peace first. All the 'terrorist' attacks from the past few decades are a result of having no peace. If the occupation ceased to exist then things would be fine. But Israel doesn't want peace. Israel are the terrorists.
The Palestinians should not be forced to recognize Israel diplomatically after what they've been through. It's just empty words anyway. But that doesn't mean they won't recognize Israel as a Jewish neighbor state. Like Jordan. And Egypt. They don't have to get along or like them. Just live independent in peace. What's the big deal? Israel, that's what. They don't want peace. Period
Joe you are so right. These Israelis claiming rights to this land are not even the correct people. Khazars ugh! This is a new day, times are changing. Israelis better recognize their ways will not be accepted for much longer. The U.S. is not going to be able to afford this liability. The world is getting sick of these people, they are a big problem. Palestinian Statehood, United Nations – September, 2011. End Israeli occupation/apartheid.
My question for CNN: how is it not a conflict of interest for Wolf Blitzer to report on this story when he used to be a big lobbyist for AIPAC? Should this not be disclosed? Please be honest with your viewers about the personal political histories of your reporters.
Why are republican and tea party scum supporting the murderous zionists along with the spineless Democrats ? We need to dispose of this scum.
True to the core.
I totally Agree,,,, THis Guy is Living off OUR Tax Dollars...
Fuck U mister 9 and mister 11,
the entire world hates your Terrorist Ass!
Can you EVEN imagine if Fox News wasn't the most highly watched network on TV today??? Where else would we get the truth? (Crickets chirping)
Why does there have to be a Jewish state? Is there a Hindu state? A Buddhist state? A zoroastrian state? an Atheist state?. Jews seem to still live in the holocaust, which, IF IT HAPPENED, excuse my ignorance of history, happened a long time ago, and none of these jew hawks running the show today were affected. if jews should benefit from their suffering, then a significant part of the U.S. should be slave state for African Americans only to run the show. I'm sick and tired of jews still dwelling on the holocaust and getting a break for it, when they're the ones that usurp the rights of others and are the richest and most powerful. It's THEY and their ROTTEN attitude toward others that are causing any "anti-semitism" that continues to stay. Mark my words. As long as the jews continue to act this way, anti-semitism will stay. It's their choice.
I didn't see you mention Muslim state – maybe if there were no Muslim states then you have a point. #$%hole.
dude, you're demented. It's your breeding of "kill the jews" and blame the jews that created the holocaust in the first place. You got serious issues and should seek immediate help.
agree! why cant it be a state where people live together...
This is the most ignorant forum in the world. "If it happened"? a) Yes, it did. My grandparents were murdered in it. b) Google it. c) You're an idiot.
Anti semitism to people like you will always be alive and well!! You are a Jew Hater and a Race Baiter!! Idiots like yourself make lots of noise about something that thery are totally ignorant about because their twisted sense of logic is based on hatred!!
There is a Hindu state, or rather there would be as it was the founder of Pakistan's plan to split the religions of South Asia, and it was executed brutally to expel all nearly all non Muslims from Pakistan. Though it is far from perfect because of sectarian violence, but overalllly 100s of millions of Muslims and other non Hindus are integrated as part of life in India. As Israeli Arabs are in Israel. Palestine is fullfilling the same role as Pakistan and to the same self destructive ends especially Hamas in Gaza. And Hezbollah is doing a bang up job in Lebanon as well
" and none of these jew hawks running the show today were affected". Wow, how can you go from excuse my ignorance of history to start discussing the problem. Don't you get it? History is everything. What would America do if native Americans said they wanted Washington, DC right now? Would it be given to them? Now, Israelis won control over Jerusalem, why should they have to give it back because people want to kill them for it? If the same thing happened here, everyone part of causing terrorism would be arrested, but in Israel, they are condemned. People seem to forget what happened in the six day war and in 1973.
Why dont you pick up a history book and read a little about who started both the six day war and 1973. Now the territory belongs to Israel and if they want to keep it that way, shouldnt they have that right?
Agreed, you are ignorant, so stop talking!
May God have mercy on your soul...I will be praying for you....
your an obvious atheist and /or human life hating Muslim . It's people that think like you and that kill Innocent people that are the problem ! I'ts the hatred of your kind that will never let peace exist.! the fact that you have a problem living next door to Christians is the real problem. It has nothing to do with land. History has proven that again and again. It is your warped religious believes and your visions of Virgins when you kill Innocent non Muslims is where the problem lies. in -essence, it's people like YOU that are the problem !
Why don't you talk about a muslim state? U dirty stinking pig. You showed your true color. U muslim b@$t@rd.
You are a racist pig – Rasheed – there will never be peace with psychopaths like you running around.
I am sure u are a PAKI pig.
Jews currently make up approximately 0.2% of the world's population, and every fifth (!) person that recieves a Noble prize is a jew.
Can you do the math?
The muslims percentage is a bit lower , i think... (google it!)
So I guess that jews are good for the world. (I think the processor that your comp. runs on was thought of in Israel , bummer,no? )
How many buses have jews blown up with children in them? how many pizza shops. Anti-semitism has been around and always will because there needs to be good and evil. people who fly planes into office buildings are evil. Why dont you look up how man Noble peace prices those small number of jews have won versus how many the millions of arabs have wopn and tell me who contributes more to the world? i'll even let you keep Arafat, one of the modern day fathers of terroriism.
Name one Olympic's jews killed arabs
Name one pizza shop, one bus number in the west bank, name one arab family, including a baby less than a year old that was cut up like meat!
Everytime Isreal is attacked and they WIN, and will continue to because thats how it suppose to be.
@Rasheed. This is how you guy reason. lopsided irrational and confused morons. But you must know that Israel was founded by God. Whether you agree or not does not change the validity of the fact. ML was right on point. Sick minds defending their trash. !@#$$ outta here.
There is a "mental" state.
Please have yours looked into.
CNN knows who signs the checks, that's why. Check out on youtube where Norman Finkelstein pwns Wolf Blitzer when he worked at AIPAC. Pretty awesome stuff.
Yep – I agree. Isn't that weird that Fox News beats the competition HANDS DOWN? I know, that's so weird. Maybe it's because they offer the truth in a fair and balanced way. Ever see how the left wing lamestream media distorts the newz?
My question is why keep on building in areas you know will have to be given up in order for peace. That is the real issue here, we all know the building in an area you KNOW needs to be given up in negotiating peace/Israel’s right to exist/Palestine’s right to exist. This is nothing new, and had been known a long time.
The actions of Israel tell me they are not looking for peace through communication, but through unilateral action.
Everything else is fluff, to regain moral high ground Israel must stop building on this land immediately....
Would you not build or keep up your back yard if you thought someone else would want to occupy it? Sounds ridiculous when it"s talking about us. why should it be any different with someone else such as a nation? They want to divide up Isreal and that is not an opion. The land belongs to them and they should keep it. Other nations such as the United States should support any country that is trying to keep what is theirs.
Then the people living on that land should be considered citizens of that country rather than killed and pushed aside!
Ashir, except it isn't" our back yard." Not one other coutnry, including the US and in fact 70% of Israelis do NOT consider the occupied territories our the right wing settlers are colonizing as part of Israel. Please STOP implying to the rest of the world that we are claiming this territory when we are NOT. You are not representative of most Israelis with your views.
You are 100% right, Israel wants to expel the remaining of Paletinian from Palestine land to expand more, never recognizing any UN reselutions, never allowing Palestinians to have a State for thier own, regadless of what area to live on. Israel considers the strugle with Palestinians is for existance only. All of claiming peace process is, in realty, a war strategy to gain land, even from other adjacent Arab Countries.
Correction: I meant *so many* world leaders, etc., not to imply that none recognize....
Wolf Blitzer is known supporter of Israel, did he not compromise his position as CNN anchor, why not Israel should be on embargoes like Iraq, Iran for defying UN.
My question. Does'nt the earth and the universe belong to God? and are we not to share this earth? or are we the "gods" now?
Please Tell this to muslim brothers. and about Mohhamed.
god created everything and he made the earth our home ..and he sent us all the prophets to worn us about the only enemy for the human kinds which is the devil ..the all three believes came from one god..why we fight each other for what..money power kingdoms ..we all will die and leave this planet empty handed ..as we came naked we will leave naked ..we wont take with us anything..and we will face god in the jugment day and he will be fare to all of us ..what ever u did in your life u will be juge for it ..we killing each other like animals ..look what happen to japan..look what happen everyday tornado killing distroying homes ..flooded volcano ..wars..and we lie to each other about we seeking peace ..u will never find peace till you fix your self and find peace inside you ..netenyaho cant give peace or obama or any leader ..god only give peace to who deserve it ..
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point of correction, Allah and the God of Abraham , Isaac and Israel are not the same. The former is the Devil himself posing as God. The latter is the true God. So that is the reason there is eternal conflict because Light and darkness, good and bad can never coexist. The hatred is because the Muslims serve a different master than the Christians or the Jews. So to answer your question, the cause of all the problem in middle east is Satan also known as Allah. That why the Arab hate the Jews because their master, Satan hates them just as much. They worship Lucifer/Allah and fully manifest his spirit through terrorism and hatred. This is not a political matter, no not at all. It is 100% spiritual. Islam will inevitably be destroyed. It is the worst and the most horrible of the false religions.
@ zombie: point of correction, Allah and the God of Abraham , Isaac and Israel are not the same. The former is the Devil himself posing as God. The latter is the true God. So that is the reason there is eternal conflict between Light and darkness, good and evil, Jews and Arabs. That's why they can never coexist. The hatred is because the Muslims serve a different master than the Christians or the Jews. So to answer your question, the cause of all the problem in middle east is Satan also known as Allah–The accuser of God's people. That's why the Arabs accuse and hate the Jews because their master, Satan hates them just as much. They worship Lucifer/Allah and fully manifest his spirit through lies, terrorism and hatred. You pray to Allah, you get his spirit: wickedness, anger, hate, lies, plunder, murder, terrorism, dehumanization and any evil vice you can think of. This is not a political matter, no not at all. It is 100% spiritual.
Islam will inevitably be destroyed. It is the worst and the most horrible of the false religions.
hello@ zombie: point of correction, Allah and the God of Abraham , Isaac and Israel are not the same. The former is the Devil himself posing as God. The latter is the true God. So that is the reason there is eternal conflict between Light and darkness, good and evil, Jews and Arabs. That's why they can never coexist. The hatred is because the Muslims serve a different master than the Christians or the Jews. So to answer your question, the cause of all the problem in middle east is Satan also known as Allah–The accuser of God's people. That's why the Arabs accuse and hate the Jews because their master, Satan hates them just as much. They worship Lucifer/Allah and fully manifest his spirit through lies, terrorism and hatred. You pray to Allah, you get his spirit: wickedness, anger, hate, lies, plunder, murder, terrorism, dehumanization and any evil vice you can think of. This is not a political matter, no not at all. It is 100% spiritual.
Islam will inevitably be destroyed. It is the worst and the most horrible of the false religions.
This doochbag should go home and stop stepping on our toes. The Zionists are taking this country over and are hurting our interests abroad. Our politicians are selling this country to the Jewish and Zionist lobby, and the average American doesn't even know it.
Enough is enough! Get the fuak out of our country!
too bad, they're there and aren't going anywhere. Delusional assholes like you need to deal with reality.
It's just a matter of time before Israel goes away you filthy Zionist fuk!
Thinking that we can have peace in the world while Israel continues to kill and displace Palestinians is what's delusional. 90% of hatred towards the U.S. stems from it's alliance to the terrorist State of Israel.
You are right on the money–the vicious language and obscenities this "other" John demonstrates his ignorance. He is clearly anti-Semitic, clearly a Neanderthal (my apologies to ancient Neanderthals) and has no grasp of the realities in the M.E. He does not realize that the State of Israel is the best friend the US has in the M.E., providing the US (and the world) with medical, military, engineering technology, and is the most (only) State in the M.E. that conducts itself with dignity and respect to all people of all religions, races and allows Arab MK's in their government! Ask any Arab living as an Israeli citizen if they would like to move to an Arab country of their choice and they will answer with a resounding NO! Then look at how Hamas has held Gilad Schalit, an Israeli soldier kidnapped six years ago who has not even been allowed a visit from the Red Cross. Arab prisoners in Israel not only get liberal visits from relatives and friends, they also are allowed to earn degrees while incarcerated. Now John, what is your response? Nothing? I figured.
yeah..get out of this country, the one we took from the Indians!!!!!!
We put a man on the moon, we have build computers and cell phones and we have done all sorts of marvelous things in science and in medicine. We have defeated Nazi Germany, the most formadable army in the history of the world and we have even ended the cold war. During the liberation of France, we built floating bridges across the Atlantic so that tanks can cross the shores of Normandy to liberate an entire continent. And yes, we continue to do marvelous things worldwide, for example, we are capable of sending satellites to the distant outer planets to retrieve breathtaking images. But we cannot establish a homeland for the Palestinian and bring peace to the region. Well, I call that science worthy of being unraveling!
well said
We never built any floating bridges across the atlantic. You made that up or read it in a fictional article. Only floating bridges were across rivers.
Nazi Germany was defeated by USSR, sorry...
Right Eugene.
And if the British and Americans had not fed supplies to USSR
by way of the Caucus mountains, The Soviets would have
fallen to the Germans.
It took lots of nations and people to defeat the Nazi's
but i guess the Russians want all the credit.
The world is sick of Israel AND Palestine.
Get bent.
Telling people to bend over. How original. Maybe it is time you stopped drinking the Kool-Aid and or drinking from the still you ignorant fool.
Peace will NEVER come if Hamas continues to fail in recognizing the state of Israel. A deal between two people or parties can not be made if one person does not recognize or see the other person as being real. Think about it. Someone please tell me why Israel should make a peace deal at this time when the party they are trying to make peace with (Hamas) calls for the "destruction of Israel and it's people". Please, someone tell me?
Hamas is a Resistance Movement with both a political and military wing. The political wing's technocrats are joining with Fatah technocrats in a unity government representing all Palestinians to build a stronger case for statehood. This unity government will obviously recognize Israel. How is the unity government not a good thing?
Hamas itself and what it believes is irrelevant and it only being used as an excuse 'not to negotiate with terrorists'.
Who cares about their past? Ariel Sharon was the Prime Minister of Israel. So was some guy responsible for assassinated a UN ambassador. Shimon Peres probably had that one PM who signed the Oslo accords killed. Mossad illegally assassinated the leader of Hamas in Dubai and got caught.
So who really cares?! What is the definition of terrorism? Because Israel has more terrorist activity than Hamas when you stop and think about the above facts. Fatah was considered terrorists and onetime as was Arafat and the PLO. But they negotiated with him even though he was behind the Munich thing. Even the Munich thing wasn't entirely Black September's fault – they were trying to do a hostage trade and the German police messed up and shot everybody including the Israelis but the Mossad went after people illegally anyways and violently murdered them for revenge including an accidental murder of an Italian waiter in front of his pregnant wife shot 11 times (for each of the Olympians).
Israel are the terrorists, who can the world not see this? I'm sure the Fundies in congress see this too, they just want their ol' pal Jesus to come back to life
Joe your so right and we built bridges across the atlantic to storm normandy! Try getting an education
ceedee, here is the answer you are looking for. Israel IS recognized state. It has been accepted into UN. It has been recognized by international law within the borders that Israel put forth to the UN, when Israel applied for the recognition. So far clear? Having then been recognized by the international law, Israel went into some politicking with France and England. Remember the Suez fiasco? That is when the treesome tried to get control of Suez from very sleepy Egypt. That episode changed geomap of Middle East. US stepped in to show England and France who's the boss. Egypt was "saved". Egypt and Israel got new protector: US.
From then on, Israel did not feel that international law applies to them. Having occupied all Palestinian land, good chunk of Egypt, not to mention a chunk of Syria and repeated attempts at Lebanon's land - it is now hard to go back to be a "normal country". This is why Israel is asking for the neighbors as well as the occupied - now stateless Palestinian population - to recognize its RIGHT TO EXIST. How cute. Only Israel's creative mind can come up with such a clever thing. Nobody can recognize Israel's right to exist - but anybody can recognize Israel according to international law when Israel FINALLY SPELLS OUT ITS BORDERS. Israel will then have to go back to UN, with application in hand, show a map and its new, proposed borders - and ask for recognition. As it is not likely to get it, Israel is trying to extort "right to exist" without spelling borders, from its unhappy neighbors.
Follow me so far? It looks like Israel has no intention to obey UN Security Council resolution and return to its original borders. And it is in no hurry to say what its dream borders really are. In the meantime, Israel has just recently took another shot at Lebanon. It did not work out. It took a good shot at Gaza, just for sport. And then at the humanitarian ships brining goods to Gaza.
Israel could decide to KEEP ALL THE TERRITORIES its acquired through wars, and declare ONE STATE SOLUTION. Well, this would then make Jewish people a minority. But, here is a new cute idea: if everyone will recognize Israel with all the occupied territories, as well as ISRAEL AS A JEWISH State, then it will be OK? Right?
Then a minority - Jewish - should have full citizen rights, and majority - Arab - with limited rights.
Therefore, US Congress is hearing Nethaniahu's plea for recognizing "Israel's right to exist", within whatever borders Israel wants now and in the future, and as a "Jewish state", to insure that within these flexible borders only Jews have citizenship rights, while others will have "special" rights as determined by the Jewish state.
Palestinians are in the meantime getting ready to go to UN. While there will be no problem for them to get recognition in the General Assembly for Palestine based on pre-war borders, what would be the practical implications? It will be a tight spot for US, as all Palestinians want is the implementation of UN SC Resolution that US voted FOR. Once Assembly approves recognition, it will go to UN SC, where US will be the only country vetoing it. I do not believe it will get the support from France, and probably not from England as well. While the recognition will stall in UN SC, the issue of individual sanctions against Israel may be raised. Such country by country process will only add to the already isolated situation that Israel is in. Changes in Arab world will furhter undermine its plan for perpetual occupation. The new governments, and even the old ones that survive, cannot continue with the same "look the other way" stance that they practiced since the end of Cold War.
Dwelling on Hamas today, or PLO of the past, or any other organization that will come up tomorrow to take up the banner of resitance to occupation is a futile business. For as long as Israel is the occupier, there will be resistance. Occupiers always resort to force to teach resistance a lesson. Germans in WWII killed civilians every time resistance forces managed to assasinate an officer, or perform an act of sabotage. Israel is practicing the same act of collective punishment on Gaza, just as mercilessely and vindictively. But the root of the evel is occupation. And the sooner Israeli citizens and Palestinians end it, the better for everyone. Israel's political establishment, however, has become innured to the idea of invincibility. Believing that it can continue occupation ad infinitem, and that the occupied people should not even think of resisting. Resistance is, therefore, terrorism. After decades of interpreting reality every which way Israel wanted, while continuously absorbing occupied territory, leads its people and its supporters to believe that the earth is flat, and that these conditions will prevail forever. Yet, the world is changing, whether we like it or not. And Israel's beloved narrative may not withstand the forces of change.
Why does America allow such leaders to have so much power over our country. To me Netanyahu is no different than Khadafi. The borders are not defensible because they continue killing Palestinians and taking more land moving the borders.
Only difference is that Netanyahu does his dirty work in a business suit. Classy as always.
I agree to that too... It seems that this guy is telling the US Government what to do... as in YoU are mY Bit** listen to what I waNt!!!.... Who Cares About Their Problem... this problem has been going on for centuries... and it will continue for more centuries to come.... Let Them Beat Each other down... for a piece of Waste Land..... BUt Not With OUR TAX MONEY!!!...
Chuck, I guess you don't read the news much, or comprehend what you read? Israel is under constant rocket and mortar attacks from Gaza and simply react to those attacks. Israel does not initiate attacks. (its' OK, you can just look up "initiate". What would you have the US do if tomorrow Mexico started lobbing rockets at us? Would you want us to ignore it? Then why are the rules different for Israel? Or do you just hate Jews? Yep, thought so. As my T-shirt says, "if you think education is expensive, try ignorance". Yes, that is a hint directed at you.
What Israel does is equal to Mexico deciding that they wanted to take the state if IL and make it a part of Mexico and build walls and boarders defending that new territory. We as Americans would defend that. The Palestinians have a right to defend their land. They are labeled terrorist for defending their land. The longer the dispute goes on larger Israel becomes and the smaller Palestine dwindles to.
Larry,
Was hoping you can clarify some of your points of view and answer some of my follow-up questions to your comments. Honestly I don’t expect you to, but this is the issue with one-sided view points. I understand your passion towards Israel and no one is here to criticize that. However, I am just curious as to what your thoughts are. Additionally, some talking points for others to ponder.
1. In reference to Israel’s right to defend itself. Totally agree that unprovoked (and I’ll say the word again, in case you missed it, UNPROVOKED) aggression towards any individual, people, or sovereign state should be answered. No one here I believe advocates that Israel turn a blind eye to unprovoked aggression, no nation would accept that. Therefore, could you please rationalize for me why do you think Palestinians continue to shell Israel with rockets and mortars? By the way, have you seen the latest map of West Bank that outlines Israeli settlements and Palestinian controlled land?
2. Do you know when and how State of Israel was recognized? Did Palestinians, which by all accounts are indigenous to that area, have any say in this? Did you know that Israelis committed numerous acts of terrorism while seeking their independence? (This is a fact and was reported by a member of the House of Commons, a holocaust survivor I may add).
3. I am going to assume you are a US citizen (at the very least, a legal resident of US). How do you suggest America responds if a foreign nation decided to start annexing US territory by stating it’s for security purpose only? What should the US response be to Iran for supplying arms to guerrilla factions fighting our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq? (Oh, right, we sanctioned them.) Then how do you think Palestinian’s feel about billions of dollars of military aid that US sends to Israel every year. The same weapons that are then used to kill Palestinians (regardless for right or wrong reasons). Additionally, we does the US continue to send multi-billion dollars of financial aid (not loan, aid) to Israel, a country with per capita higher than that of US? Did you know Israel is one of the few countries part of the richest counties list? If you don’t know, in May of last year, Israel joined the OECD, which is a Club of Richest Nations. I think if anything, we should be asking Israel for help, not the other way around! (I know, it’s not a fair comparison, considering population and so on and on, just making a point – Israel does not need financial aid!).
Not to further monopolize the blog. Last points: 1) Every nations/peoples deserve a homeland, just not at the expense of others, 2) Beating your chest saying you want peace while you continue to expand your presence in someone else’s backyard, 3) By calling yourself a Jewish state and not just Israel is not consistent with the notion that there are Muslim states. Yes there are countries where Islam is the dominant religion, but they are not called Islam, they have names like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, etc…by calling yourself Jewish you ARE alienating yourself, and 4) No peoples EVER staid occupied indefinitely, eventually, the occupiers leave. It took African American slaves a few hundred years, people persevere and eventually there will be a change. Thanks.
brilliant chuck, where did the arabs get GAZA from? and how our they using Gaza now? Medical research, Building Schools? Or maybe shooting rockets at civilian cities?? Isreal has already given them some land, hows that working out???????????
CNN has too much commentary going on. CNN's reporters in particular Mr. Blitzer started talking after the Speaker made ad statement and therefore drowned out the Vice President. Then later the announcement by the Sergeant at Arms that was waited for was missed. It really became "Oh wait something is going on, oh we missed it." I get the need to fill space, but in this case CNN had more fluff going on that was repetitive in nature. Sometimes it's better to keep the conversation to a bare minimal and just wait.
Obama is trying to help Prime Minister Netanyahu and the nation of Israel. The entire face of the Middle East is changing. The U.S. can only do so much to protect Israel. Don't let the GOP/Tea tell you any different. Money is tight in this country.
The 1967 plan (which includes land swaps) is the absolute, best way to get the Palestinians to reject Hammas and make peace with Israel. Prime Minister Netanyahu needs to learn how to play the "Give & Take" game for the sake of his people.
Ofcourse the inhabitants of the land known as Palestine (not a country nor has ever been one) would LOVE the 1967 deal. Then they could have a much easier time attacking Israel! They lost that land in a war that THEY started with Israel. Wake up people. The only peace deal that the Palestinians would agree to would be the death of Israel and all Jews.
Jeff:
The way things are now, how's that working out? It's time to turn the page, isn't it? This goes way beyond Gaza and Golan Heights. Israel is going to have to start from scratch with many Middle East nations. If he's not willing to make any sort of tangible gesture of peace, how could Israel possibly expect to survive?
Things were relatively peaceful until September, 2000, when Arial Sharon brought 1000 armed guards with him into a mosque during services. Israel has been just as hawkish (with no just cause) as the Palestinians.
The only difference between Israel's taking Palestinian lands for "settlements" and the US Army's forced relocation of Native Americans to different reservations or "tribal lands" is the Israelis are not giving the Palestinians cholera infected blankets.
who controls GAZA now? is that a jewish settlement? Wanna bet the square mileage of Gaza is more than settlements
@ Dragontide
Hamas does in the West bank what it did in Gaza,
perfect setup for attacking Israel on two fronts.
With Hezzbolah sitting on Lebanons southern border
they can now attack on three fronts.
I dont think any rational person should trust what Hamas is doing.
When they won in Gaza (By gunpoint) they threw Fatah followers from the roof tops of buildings.
Suddenly now they are making nice ?
I wonder if he is going to tell Obama to give Texas back to Mexico?
I wonder, if there will be a NATIVE INDIAN STATE here in the States after all these.... Since we EXTERMINATED most of them.... We Should Give back TEXAS back to MExico,,, and THe WEST to the NATIVE INDIANS.....
Israel should not exist and should never be allowed to be recognized because they stole the land of the Palestinians in 1948. The U.K facilitated the transaction and we supported it. The Zionists are a filthy breed that will do whatever it takes to deceive and lie.
Israel is also a terrorist state that is known for assassinations and killings of innocent people.
Jewish Americans should decide whether their allegiance is to the U.S. or to Israel.
Where'd you get your facts from? Wikipedia? Maybe if you do some real research you'll see that The British tried splitting the land between the Israelis and the Palestinians but the Palestinians kept rejecting the offers and that's why the whole country eventually went to the Israelis. Palestinians only started wanting the land after they got rejected for citizenship from the surrounding Arab nations. Get your facts straight before you start posting ridiculous propaganda.
Perfect Alina. Unfortunately, John is not capable of doing any meaningful research, you need at least two brain cells to rub together for that to happen. In short, he is a troll, plain and simple. Very, very simple at that. I'll guess he dropped out of school in kindergarten.
So the British Government gave land they did not own to Jews for a homeland without providing any compensation to the people already living there. Also, the Palestinian peoples were "rejected" to use your term back in 1919 when the British and French met with tribal leaders in the former Ottoman Empire territories to divide up the lands without any consideration to ethnic or tribal claims. That is why 4 provinces which were considered ethnically separate from each other were united into Iraq. That was why the ibn Saud were granted leadership of most of the Arabian peninsula. That was why the Kurds were separated into at least 5 different countries without a homeland. That was why the Palestinians were kept under a British Mandate in lands West of the Jordan River, while the Hashemites were granted the lands across the Jordan (called Transjordan back then and Jordan today). Neither the Palestinians nor the Kurds have ever had any say in their own destinies.
Oh, concerned about propaganda now? Please, who are you attempting to fool? Since the invasion of Lebanon on June 6, 1982 it became Israel's main objective to control the media and as you can see it was successful. After the invasion, news channels showed horrific scenes of dead civilians, including women and children. This was a drastic hit to Israel's moral reputation. Also, I can't help but notice that the 'fact' you posted was incomplete. The answer is, yes they refused and they did so on the basis of the Israeli minority receiving 56% of fertile coastal land and the Palestinian majority receiving 44% of rugged mountainous areas. I sincerely don't wish to criticize you but, want to inform you correctly. If you have any questions just ask.
Alina, and where do your facts come from? Are you one of those that claim how Palestinians never existed, just came as nomads into the land promised to Jews by God? And naturally, since Israel so kindly took their land, it was the bad, bad Arab countries that denied them citizenship? Being so blinded by loyalty to one people, while utterly dismissing the rights of others, is a frightening thing. You are the type that would have saluted Nazi flag, with "my country, right or wrong" attitude. No amount of injustice, crime, would stop you. No pity for victims will ever soften your heart. Examine yourself, and you will perfectly comprehend why Holocaust happen.
And Arabs are dumb! Both your statement and this one are equally true
John – Israel stole the land? If I remember correctly, there was a UN Resolution (General Assembly Resolution 181) in 1947 that called for the partition of the land into separate Arab and Jewish States. The Israelis only took advantage of that when they established Israel in 1948. Why didn't the Arabs? They didn't want to recognize Israel. They've never wanted to accept it.
I say - give the Palestinians their state. Set the borders to whatever the world decides and then, let the two countries fight it out (if necessary) as countries rather than nation and territory. If the Palestinians attack Israel, they deserve what they get. If the Israelis attack first, they get what they deserve.
Hold them both to their word! If they say they want peace, prove it!
Republicans and Democrats fight over every issue related to America but they only agree on issues related to Israel since AIPAC drives the show for Israel. Israel is the only country in the middle east that is build on race, religion, and apartheid. Israel is anything but democracy. It is everything that America does not believe in. Why are we supporting this apartheid state?
HOW DARE ALL THOSE POLITICIANS BOOOOO THAT WOMEN FOR PROTESTING IN FAVOR OF ISRAEL............THIS IS NOT AMERICA, THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY.........WE HAVE BEEN HIJACKED BY FOREIGN NATIONS
If you protest in Israel, you will either end up dead or in prison with the tens of thousands of women, children, and young men.
Wake up stupid! Our politicians are selling this country out to to the Jewish and Zionist lobby. They are putting the interests of Israel over America's interests. They have been doing so for decades, but thanks to our ignorance we know so little about it.
Ignorance is a curse..educate yourself America!
Where did you misplace your brains cells?
John is 100% right.
I am an educated American.
You are a fool.
Mr. Netanyahu, wouldn't agreeing to a peace agreement save more Jewish lives instead of trying to acquire more land while fighting Hamas?
At leaset one person in that room isn't kissing Netanyahu a$$
When you and John learn to spell perhaps we'll take you seriously. Until then, not so much. Just another ignorant troll.
NOT IN FAVOR, AGAINST ISRAEL
I am glad our elected officials have the time to sit around and listen to him ramble. I guess there aren't any pressing issues that need to be addressed here in America.
Is it true that as long as the Israeli-Palestinian issue not settled, there will be no peace in the Middle-East? Why does Iran hate Israel, geographically the two countries are miles away from each other, besides Iranians are neither Arabs nor fans of islamic extremism?
I have news for Netanyahu, Israel created Hezullah due to occupation and the usual Israeli land steal.
WELL WE ALL KNOW THOSE POLITICIANS HAVE MADE UP THEIR MIND WHEN THEY BOOOED THAT WOMENS PROTEST AND APPLAUDED WHEN THEY ESCORTED HER OUT.............HOW DARE OUR AMERICAN POLITICIANS!!!!!
What did the protester yell?
Good to know where Canada stands on the list of American friends...... eh!!!
I see by the comments there are here a lot of terrorist supporters. You still believe Israel is the key in all problems of the world, but the real problem is the Arabs that doesn't like democracy and freedom. Take a look at Europe, each day is becoming more and more fanatic and Muslims are taking over western values. Enjoy your freedom because with people blind like you is not gonna held much long. An ex-European now living in US.
Keki Nash, as another ex-European, and now proud American, I know what does it mean living under occupation. My family paid dearly fighting five years against German occupation. While there were plenty of those who took occupation in stride, collaborated with the occupier, and profited from it, many chose to sacrifice everything to see their country free. They resisted any which way they knew how, and did not have the mercy on the occupying soldiers, their administrators, their supplies, their transport or communications. Occupier could be nothing but a dirty occupier of their land, the one whose boots trampled over their fields, their back yards, who rounded them up like cattle into prisons, and executed them en masse just to send a message to the population. They bombed them, plundered them, raped them, humiliated them.
Anybody in Europe who survived long-term occupation can ever cheer for an occupier. No matter their noble self-image. An occupier must always justify to its own population the gruesome business of occupying other people, and keeping them defenseless and powerless. There are always high principles being thrown about, and even claims of survival necessity. The need for elbow-room has been claimed from Hitler to Nethaniahu. No borders are ever secure to them, nothing is defensible. The only thing occupiers know is the perpetual war.
Israel cannot succeed. I would like them to. But I do not see how can any country's future be built on the misery of occupation. Eventyally, such countries become too hardened to take anyone's interests into consideration, and too cold to fell pity for the suffering. The truth is, Israel is in the Middle East, and has to reach peace by letting the occupied go, and settling all unresolved issues with its neighbors. So far, Israel has not shown any interest in pursuing such goals.
Netanyahu forgot that Israel is the only county in the middle east that is treating Christians bad and stealing their homes and churches (until this day)
There are plenty of Christians in Israel... try being Christian in any other Middle-Eastern country and see what happens. Think before you post ya moron.
Ha ha ha In Israel the Christians enjoy full rights no like in Arab countries where they are killed each day. Where you find such lies? You must be complete blind. You need a few links about the suffering of Christians in Arab countries? I have plenty of them...
HA ha ha ha
HAHAHAH MR YAHOOO, WE LOVE KISSING YOUR ASS
Wish our corporate whores of congress cared as much about We the People as they cared about AIPAC (to which many belong) and the Israelis. It's sad and disgusting to watch. They don't want a Palestinian state or they would have done something by now to stop the settlements – deliberately built to encroach on and destroy Palestinian land. Do these pale old chickenhawks really believe that we can't see through them? Hey Cantor! Take care of OUR health and well-being – or give up your seat and go to Israel and help them there. Geez, so many years, so much deceit, and listening to this speech and seeing those glowing, adoring, sycophant faces – like the 2 Minute Drill in 1984. Yuk. and double Yuk.
Why are any American keyboard cowboys so concerned with the plight of the Palestinians and Israel's demise (which will never happen btw, they're there, get over it). Why not be concerned with the plight of the Mexicans that were living in Texas before it was annexed, or the Native Americans in the US before we colonized and removed them of their land?
Clean up your own backyard before you go barking at others.
EXPLAIN WHY THERE ARE SO MANY MEXICANS IN THESE STATES.......YOU TOOK THE LAND BUT NOT THE PEOPLE.......LMAO
Nice try at misdirection Evil twin, though thats a pretty standard zionist narrative. That stuff happened over 100 years ago, scumbuckets like you hope that if this so called PEace Process goes on like it is now, it'll take 100+ years, and by then Israel will have 'settled' so much palestinian land they will say " wow, what a shame that process took so long, but posession is 9/10s of the law". You are a POS, a traitor to America, and an amoral sleaze. You have no problem with the USA becoming a target because of ISrael's misbehavior, and have no problem with a nation stealing land and treating it's inhabitants in the same way the Nazis treated the European Jews (though with more thought to PR)... The NAzis tried to get it done in 3 years, but the Sleazoid Zionists behind teh scenes are happy to spread the work out over 100 years... and they couldnt care less how many Israelis get blown up as a result... such occurences are collaterl damage and serve to strengthen their position.... and you have no problem with OUR tax dollars paying for it. IF you were standing in front of me right now, I'd b-slap you so hard your mask would fall off. Whats great is that little by litle, amricans are waking up... your scgtick doesnt work like it used to
Because those Mexicans still live in Texas. And they still hop the border to try and live in Texas. Obviously they like America better. You don't see Palestinians hoping the border to live in Israel. You see them protesting at the border non-violently but they usually get murdered by the IDF for this who says "they were Iranian spies!"
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows that Israel has been the real block to peace in the Middle East. They always hide behind Hamas and terrorism. Nice try! Who has been building illegal settlements? Who ahs been committing genocide and war crimes? who has been defiant in the face of the international community? Who has been illegally occupying a country for decades? ISRAEL!
In my opinion, the world would be much better without such a fictional entity
I'm wondering: a country is attacked and they defend themselves. In the process of defending themselves, they capture territory. They win the war. They're then asked to return the territory they've captured as a condition for peace. Has this happened at any other time in our world's history? I don't think so...
Yeah it has. Like in World War II for example. There are laws regarding territorial conquests in the 20th century. International laws which Israel defies. They never annexed the West Bank or Gaza, only "occupied" them. They only annexed East Jerusalem and Syria's Golan Heights. None of this is recognized internationally, not even by the US.
They said the occupation was for security and the UN resolution making them leave would only happen if they felt like they were safe which is the same lame 'indefensible border' excuse that Yahoo keeps using. They said the settlements were for security. Now they say they need security for the settlements.
This is all illegal, that's the point. This isn't friggin middle ages or even the 1800s. You can't just 'conquer' territory. Israel started the 1967 war by leaking false intelligence to the Russians which was relayed to Egypt who assembled in Sinai and then Israel attacked pre-emptively with the excuse Egypt was going to. Documented historical fact. Also, During that "war" (which was over in a day, not 6 days) an American Naval Vessel, the USS Liberty was brutally attacked and nearly sunk by Israel. The fundies to this day don't like to talk about it, but it happened. Israel attacked their best buds. Because in truth, Israel has no friends. Just a bunch of stupid Protestant and Mormon Fundies in Washington that want Jesus to come back
Hm? I don't think you're on the same page.
blah blah blah
And that means?
It means john is a moron...
I'm a moron for telling the truth? Israel isn't a real democracy. It's very name and flag say "Jews Only". It's Zionist colonist history is the reason for the violence. Those "EVIL MOOSLIM TERRRRRORISTS" are an invention of Israel. The Palestinians, INCLUDING PALESTINIAN JEWS, defied the European Zionist Alien Colonists with their Rothschild-funded fanatical agenda but eventually a bunch more came after WWII.
It all has an interesting history, you should read about it before calling me a moron. The biblical account of Israel is fiction as is are the Israelites. Ashkenazi Jews have no historical ties to Israel. Palestinians are 10% Christian too which is something people try not to mention very often. This is a dumb religious agenda disguised as a nation and sadly some nationalist Israelis buy it. But go read Haaretz, many Israelis do not buy it and support a peaceful solution and aren't afraid to tell the truth. Same with Jewish Americans.
AIPAC and the Neocons in Washington have nothing to do with Jewish people. Aside from a tiny amount of Jews, it's all Conservative God-Fearing Fundies. Like when Sarah Palin visited Israel this year and encouraged all the Jews to come there so Jesus would return. They all believe this. They're referring to the rapture where the Jews and Muslims aren't exactly on the 'winning' side if you know what I mean. Protestant Fundamentalist values are very compatible with Neo Conservative politicians in Washington. That's the only reason America supports Israeli crimes
Israel a block to peace ?
Israel has offered a state on at least 4 occassions, all rejected by
"so" called palestinians (No such people exist).
As for "Genocide" if this was true why has the "Palestinian" population trippled ?
As for "Occupation". Palestinians blowing up busses, cafe's, discos
and killing innocemt civilians, that stopped when they built walls and control
security in West bank.
Gave Gaza back and look what happened, rockets almost daily.
Simple.
You want peace, stop killing.
You want a nation, prove you can control it.
No free hand outs.
What is it, Wife Swap week? Obama's out of the country sipping green beer while Netanyahu is here being selfish as usual? Talk about jumping the shark.
Over 1000000 Arab citizens in Israel are suffering because of the only fact that they are Christians or Muslims while the Eastern Europeans enjoy freedom because they are Jewish .. oh, that is democracy America is supporting!
They DIDN'T allow the protest – they hustled that woman out of there faster than Boehner can shed a tear – and that's fast!
John, you said that Israel stole the land. You are wrong. They were brought in by Palestinian landlords who SOLD them the land since Palestine was extremely underpopulated and in great poverty. When a significant amount of land was eventually sold to the Jews, the Palestinians then wanted to kick them out. In a war started by the Palestinians where Israel was on the defensive end and willing to live side by side, the Palestinians decided to attack and lost the war and their land. In case you do not know John, this is how land in the world is obtained and usuaully the one taking it is on the offensive. Do some research next time.
You need to do your own research, friend. Read about (then) Secr. of State George Marshall's warning to Truman in 1947. Marshall's concerns have proven true. This was not any kind of land purchase negotiated amicably.
I am sorry to break the news to you, but you are one of those dummies that still believe that argument
Not true at all. Please go read up on Zionist history. The concept began with Theodor Herzel but existed prior to that. Napolean emancipated the French Jews and during his tour of Egypt/Syrian Palestine he wrote up a document for moving Jews to Ottoman Syria. It sounds like something out of hollywood but it is very true.
There has been some secret movement (and later not so secret movement) to move the Jews to their own state, preferably the holy land. The reasoning for this has to do with antisemitic thinking (such as 'go live on an island somewhere away from us!) to Protestant Fundamentalist belief in the rapture (All Jews return to holy land, Jesus comes back, Christians get raptures, non-believers like Jews all vaporize). The latter being a very powerful belief among American Politics. The Zionist lobbies which have existed since the early 20th century (including now AIPAC) and President Eisenhower all believed in the rapture thing. AIPAC isn't even Jewish, it's Protestant God-Fearing Fundies who con wealthy Israel-supporting Jews out of money for campaigning other Fundy suckers.
The colonists of the late 19th century bought (with permission from the Sultan) some land in Ottoman Syria, but the thing is people lived on the land so they moved the settlers elsewhere. People lived on that land too but the at-the-time Baron Rothschild of the British Empire used his pocketbook to ensure the Ottomans took care of the situataion. The land was 'legally' purchased from 'absentee buyers' so it wasn't really a legal land purchase. That and people lived on it
Research the first and second Aliyahs for more information. Also research the biblical land of Israel and the Zionist's in Europe and the USA who were not shy about what they intended to accomplish in the Middle East, hence the opposition by the native Palestinians – some who were *shock* Jewish! Yeah they didn't like the colonists either. Of course a modern Israeli would say there is no such thing as a "Jewish Palestinian". But that's religious talk. Of course there were. And if any Arabic Jews were persecuted or forced to leave the Middle East (Yemen, Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, etc.) it was because of the Zinoists who caused antisemitism. FACT. Sorry
Get your history straight. The holocaust and the Jewish emigration and the various Zionist doctrines eventually led to the decision of partition which resulted in Israel declaration of independence and regional war. The rest is modern history, but just remember the Palestinians are the oppressed and the Israelis are never the victim. To say otherwise disregards the history which Israel likes to hide. The CIA has a nice de-classified doc on there site dated from 1947 regarding proposed partition and the costs such as losing ME support and oil. And that actually happened. They also talk about the Zionists and their supporters in the USA being Protestant Fundies. I suggest reading it. Most people know nothing about Israel, the facts aren't secret either. If they knew the truth, we wouldn't be friends.
Our politicians are traitors because they sold our country to Israeli and Zionist interests. Do your homework and vet who you are voting into office.
ahmed, you ignorant ...
Israel should be afraid of the freedom and revolution in the middle east because ALL the Arabs (Christians, Jewish, and Muslims) will not support Israeli occupation and torture of Christians & Muslims. Israel had many chances for peace and they wasted it with their lies and games. Israel should stop the BS and make peace before freedom comes to the middle east.
YAHOO CALLING FOR DEATH!!!!
Is it me, or is anyone else wondering where does the leader of Israel get off demanding that US tax dollars be used to support his country; and where does he get off telling the US what our foriegn policy should be. I support Israel but over the years I as an American have begun to feel just a little disrespected by the sense of entitlement with which Israel seems to approach the US. I also, don the idea that a foriegn government hires lobbyists to influence congressional decision making. The last time I check the President of the United States sets the foriegn policy for the US, not the Congress. This is sounding dangerous and kind of creepy. It makes us look like stooges beholden to Israel.
It looks like what it is: we ARE stooges beholden to Israel ( at least for now)... and this sleaze is talking to congress to remind them of how it is. the tail wags the dog, and if you point it out, you are pub licly labeled an anti-semite... its the tactic the zionists use... and if you are JEWISH and disagree, you are labelled a Self-hating Jew! It's so ridiculous its almost funny... a year ago my taxi driver was a palestinian... I explined that I disagreed fully with Israel's treatment of Palestinians and their land... and he told me that MANY other passengers, upon finding out he was Palestinian, had expressed similar sentiments, but they had also said that they were fearful to say so publicly as they knew it would lead to being labelled Anti-Semites... well, the tide is changing, because people are finally becoming aware that labelling dissenters such is a dirty trick... it doesnt work like it used to!
CAN ISRAEL SURVIVE IN A DEMOCRATIC MIDDLE EAST?
Only if America knew that our tax money is paying for the torture of Christians & Muslims in the name of Zionism.
Netanyahu is kissing butts today because he was able to force our spineless president to change his statement again
HO MY GOD LISTEN TO THIS!! IRAN IRAN IRAN IRAN!!
Iran isn't a threat. They're not perfect but they've been inspected. They aren't doing anything. Israel is paranoid and delusional. Go home, Netanyahoo. You're a moron. And stop killing Christian Palestinians, 1/10 Palestinians are Christians
Holocaust, Holocaust, Iran, Iran
What a joke, a broken record of a joke. PEACE! PEACE WE LOVE PEACE. PEACE MEANS KILLING EVERYBODY.
Israel isn't a real country
Israel is out 51st state. The US gives them 5 billion dollars a year(despite our budget deficit problems); we are fighting three wars against Islamic fundamentalists that hate us because of our relationship with Israel. A lot of budget deficit problem is the fact that we are fighting these three wars, then the Israeli Prim Minister has the gall to publically snub the President on TV. Develop the electric car, pull out of the Middle East and let the nations there decide their own fate. WE ARE DRAINING AMERICA BY OUR INVOLVMENT IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!
He is not really speaking to our congress....he's really just using this forum to speak to and appease his own base back in Israel (and in the U.S). In fact, in that way, he's really like so many Republican politicians.
Dems do it too. And I'm a Dem. if you don't believe me... http://vodpod.com/watch/3847424-senator-palestinians-should-be-strangled-economically
Netanyahu keeps yaking about how he's not going to give up land that Israel seized because it is "indefensible". Every fair minded person please ask yourself why the land is "indefensible" and you will find that it's because Israel keeps building on land that it does not own! You can't keep building beyond your natural borders and hope to defend this illegal seizures. Seizing a piece of land doesn't make it yours! Despite every attempt by all US presidents going back decades Israel refuses t heed and now claims it is indefensible. Yes, it is indefensible because it is not yours in the first place.
America deserves Netanyahu. It created this monster because it is playing to AIPACS. A tiny little place like Israel is controlling this mighty superpower. The question is, how high will US keep jumping?
I think it's time to show tough love – Israel must listen to a voice of reason or it's on its own. If it doesn't want to listen, let it fight its way out of a tough neighborhood. The world doesn't need Israel.
Chuck, when Netanyahu speaks of indefensible borders he is talking of Israel being 9 miles wide if the Palestinians get pre-1967 borders. Can you defend a country that is 9 miles wide and surrounded by enemies who are trying to wipe it out every day? Learn your facts before you post.
The so called "settlements" are Jewish towns on the Jewish land. The fact that some neighborhoods around Atlanta are predominantly Mexican does not mean that Americans cannot live there. Neither does it mean that these Mexicans deserve their state. They are migrants who came to Atlanta because there were jobs there, just like these "Palestinians" came to the Jewish land for jobs. Most of them migrated to that land in the past 100 years. Others came earlier, but it still does not mean that they are the indigenous population there.
Look what happened in Gaza. Israel expelled all Jews who lived there and surrendered the Jewish towns to the Palestinians. What happened was that the Palestinians elected Hamas and have been shelling Israel with rockets ever since. The Jewish presence in Gaza was not only legitimate, but also served as a buffer zone that protected Israel from the rockets. Now that Israel is no longer is Gaza, the "Palestinians" cannot restrain themselves from firing rockets at Jewish towns and cities within Green-Line Israel, killing and maiming innocent Jewish civilians, including women and children. If Israel withdraws completely from Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), the "Palestinians" will start attacking Israel's civilian population of Tel Aviv , Haifa, and Jerusalem. In the case of a real war, Arabs can cut Israel in half in just a few hours because the "Palestinian" border will be only 9 miles from the Mediterranean Sea. To understand this, pull up Google Maps and look at the map of Israel.
If rockets ever get into the West Bank, they can hit major cities
like Tel-Avi, Haifa.
Hamas in Gaza
Hezzbolah in southern Lebanon
and now Hamas makes a deal with Fatah
(For what....to take control of the West Bank ?)
Netanyahu is right.
NEVER give your enemy the upper hand.
They will use it.
Israel – a democracy
surrounded by dictators, kings, and terrorists.
John, you response has nothing to do with Israel being recognized or on the matter of how they received the land. And you are right, America does take too much interest in Israel along with many other Arab countries. Obama should be focusing on America rather than making "decisions" for other countries and giving billions of dollars away while our country is in great national debt.
Why are republican and tea party scum supporting the murderous zionists along with the spineless Democrats ? Dispose of this scum.
It is easy, not body said "no Jewish state", so stop making a case out of it. Just stop stealing more land from the Christians and Muslims including Jewish Arabs.
You troll! Jewish Arabs!
The jews are foreign occupiers. HE USES THE BIBLE ............LOL.......
Abraham? History? Biblical accounts are not history Netanyahoo
The Palestinians are genetically proven to be the heirs to the '2nd temple' era Jews.
AshkeNAZI Jews from Khazaria where modern day Russia is are most certainly foreign invaders. Give this moron a history lesson
There is no such thing as a palestinian.
Where do you get your propaganda from ?
Here I go....... 11:34: "Of 300 million Arabs, less than 1/2 of 1% are truly free and they're all citizens of Israel."................. Ok. Lets solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem. One state solution = Make everyone a citizen of Israel.
And when the killing spree ends..........
No Jews...........
No Israel.
Bad Idea.
I find it appalling that member of Congress applauded this "thug" Netanyahu, and did not applaud the President of the United States of American during the State of the Union Address.....yet they call themselves Patriots.....Netanyahu came to the White House and lectured our President....Who do you stand with America or Israel?
EXACTLY!!
The Israeli Prime Minister addresses Congress as if he is our President to tell us what to do with our military and our tax dollars! The GOP has already made a big mistake with its handling of Medicare, the GOP is making another big mistake if they decide to give the carte blanche to Israel in all matters – the American public is sick of hearing about Israel’s problems when our country is falling apart!!
THOMAS JEFFERSON WOULD BE LAUGHING AT THIS DOUCHEBAG ..........
Don't think so!
Let's face it, Palestine was given to Atheist British Jews, it was anything but religion and God. Your speech is full of it. Israel is not even letting food and medicine to the Christians & Muslims. Do not lie, do not make up stories. Netanyahu is BSing American.
The red Cross Issued a report last month that said
There is no food, or medical problem in Gaza.
It had been manufactured by the PLO.
Next.
ITS FUNNY HOW OUR AMERICAN POLITICIANS ARE LISTENING TO THIS GUY WITH MORE RESPECT THAN THEIR AMERICAN PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....true, and they call themselves PATRIOTS!
Netanyahu lies.....the 1967 boundaries are DEFENSIBLE, how were they defended prior to 1967?.....if they were indefensible, Israel would not be a country as we speak today.....it is time for Peace.....if Israel and Palestine continues to do what they have always done, the results will be the same.
He's lying. Palestinian cities are horrible. They can't move among each other without going through demoralizing checkpoints which take hours and they might not even get through them. Peace eluded Israel because Israel doesn't want peace.
Stop blaming the Palestinians. Bibi tried to stop the Oslo accords and admit it how he took advantage of the wording on the Jordan River. They Fundies in Congress eat this up just because they want Jesus to return.
Bibi is distorting history again. Palestinians accepted the pre-1967 borders recognizing Israel as a Jewish state in 1988.
Israel educates their children to hate. They are the terrorists
Netanyahoo's plan from 2 years ago was a non-continuous state made up of several enclaves in 50% of the West Bank. This guy is a monster. Monsters need to be defeated
What a load of garbage...he praises the u.s. for helping his pathetic country endure when all neighbors hate it, then has the audacity to tell us to beware Iran because they are developing a missile that can reach our cities. NOT LIKELY WITH OUR EARLY WARNING SOSUS SYSTEMS. But they can reach Israel, which is what he is really concerned about, not peace, not the u.s. involvement, but the agenda of the Jewish Nazis now in charge of that country
The one Ireali PM that truely wanted peace was murdered by his own people!
You can't put the shit back in the donkey unfortunately...
Netenyahu and certain elements in his coalition government have very little interest in anegotiated peace. On the other hand, they have a serious interest in drawing out the negotiations as lonf as possible in order to continue to colonize the land west of the River Jordan. The recent historical record and events coroborate this unstated motive.
Why is this a Jewish vs Palestinian issue? Judasim is a religion. Palestinians are a people referring to the region which has had that name (despite not always being a state), including Palestinians Jews. Keep religion out of this. These people are nuts
Religion... The Conservative Fundies are not Americans. This includes 99% of congress.
No you can't incorporate Ariel, it's a cancerous tumor. Nobody lives in the settlements. 300k people is nothing (I'm not counting EJ)
Avigdor Lieberman is an obvious example of the anti peace/pro colonization movement in the Israeli government. The ultra-orthodox Shas block is a source of much ire as well. Most jews in and out of Israel want this issue settled. Unfortunately, there is a well funded, well organized minority that is promoting and persuing this toxic, counter productive agenda that is giving a bad name to Israel and unfortunately to jews all over the world. One bad apple has a chance to spoil the whole barrel.
Yep, I'm well aware of that. I read Haaretz and not the Jerusalem Post. I know many Israeli and American Jews want to see an end to this as well. But the right is in power more often than not and it didn't help at all when Bush was our pres. The USA supports Israel mainly because they are Protestant Fundamentalists, Democrats AND Republicans alike. They believe in the rapture myth. The ones that don't just pretend as not to commit career suicide (like Obama). People think that AIPAC is a Jewish Lobby when despite the handful of Jewish employees it is almost exclusively Protestants.
Joe reads HaAretz, so Joe knows the truth! Pathetic how many idiots are posting here!
Am i the only one bothered by how he stands in there lecturing us(Americans) as to what to do and how to do it???. He thinks he's the ruler here, and in some ways that may be the case.
BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES IS A GOD FEARING NATION AND YAHOO IS CLOSER TO GOD SINCE HE IS ONE OF THE CHOSEN FEW LIVING ON THE LAND GOD HAS CHOSEN FOR THEM.......
What ???
I am an American, and i dont "Fear" god.
Only knuckledragging morons "Fear" god.
Sure, if Israel dismantle their nuclear weapons first.
And finance the enforcement.
ISRAEL DOESNT WANT PEACE, IT WILL ALWAYS WANT TO EXPAND ITS BORDERS........THIS HAS BEEN IN THE MAKING SINCE 1967......AND THEY COULD DO THIS BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES WAS A GOD FEARING NATION, SENDING ENDLESS AMOUNT FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THEIR COLONIZATION..........
ISRAEL IS LIKE HAROLD CAMPING........ALL TALK
Mr Mailman,
Why do you continue to spout lies and garbage ?
Israel has given back Sanai, and Gaza.
You waste time and space if you cant even discuss
without spreading lies.
Our elected officials are wasting tax payer's money listening to his lies and ramblings. Don't they have anything better to do?
I got news for him, the boundaries will need a 1:1 land swap for settlements. It will roughly look like the pre-1967 lines. You can't swap land for Israeli Arabs or the Negev desert. In other words, his idea does not match what the world wants because a rough 1967 border would still be to him 'indefensible'
The Palestinian refugee problem is an Israel problem and they are required at the very least to compensate them
its not happening- sorry
Finally someone with some intelligence speaks about Middle East polocies.
@Chuck T
Yep, sad huh? They have a history of assassinating people trying to help for the good of morality. A terrorist group murdered a UN ambassador and years later the leader became prime minister.
JFK Jr. published a story on that one PM's death and a little while later wound up dying.
Netanyahu, gotta love him. Wish the U.S. had this kind of no nonsense leadership.
Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!
In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel stages incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombs Syria, again insisting they are destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there is no evidence to support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacks Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out.In February 2008 Israel again raids Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agrees to a cease fire and keeps it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacks, killing 6 HAMAS members, launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, are killed. Israel loses 13 soldiers. Violations of international law include the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigates, but Israel refuses to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacks an international aid flotilla bring food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people are murdered including an American from New York. Add to it the numerous assassinations such as last year's embarrassment in Dubai, and you get the picture, even without the overtly racist and apartheid statements coming from Israel's rabbis.
In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.
So, who is the danger to world peace?
Michael, your blog Whatreallyhappened.com is my browser's homepage. Thanks for all your hard work on getting the truth out there. Wake up America!
I'm looking at the time frame you claimed that Us forces attacked all these countries. Now some I know but as an ex-military member during some of those time either my head was buried in the sand, I was in a coma or I was totally left out in the dark as not having a need to know. Point me in the direction as to where I can find these attacks.
Doesn't make sense does it... Unfortunately it is true, many wars are not publicized, many conflicts remain hidden from the mass population, here's a good one: U.S. involvement in Cambodia, I bet you 99% of people will look at you like a dear in headlight.
Hezzbolah funded by Iran, sends rockets from southern Lebanon, and kills, and kidnaps
Israeli soldiers.
Setting off a war that devistates southern Lebanon and northern Israel.
Hundreds (If not thousands)
of rockets are still aimed at northern Israel.
Syria (Backed by Iran) infiltrates Lebanese politics, and assasinates
anybody who gets in the way of controlling Lebanon.
Iranian made weapons have been caught being shipped into, Lebanon, Israel, Gaza, Iraq
Even the Turkish government has admitted this.
Just because Iran has not "Invaded" anybody does not make
them clean in this war against terrorists.
Very active players.
In this picture of Netanyahu's address to Congress, Biden doesn't look too happy. Obama likely told him to act disinterested and show anger every now and then to express the administration's low view of Israel.
who cares about obama
How many Arabs writing here posing as Americans!!!
Nobody likes you go back to Arabland. Americans are tired of you crying all the time. You don't have what it takes to make a democracy in any one of you countries, but you know how to cry against US and Israel.
Keki, I am of Arab-decent and a U.S. citizen and proud of it, no one is posing, are you posing as an American when actually from European decent?
The bigger question is why is a Foreign Prime Minister allowed to speak in a U.S. Congress session? And why should we listen? The proper channels is the U.S. State Department, this is their function.
If you don't like to listen you can turn off the tv and go back to your country.
It is people like yourself who give a bad name to this great country of ours. I was granted Citizenship by the highest authority I(that's way above your pay grade), this IS my country.
Apparently you are of Israeli decent so I can understand your defensive stance, still we shouldn't allow Foreign politicians speak in our congress.
It's actually harder than you think to turn the other way when someone is supporting genocidal policies on your homeland. If anything imagine yourself in Palestinian's shoes. You have no civil or human rights, and are caged in humiliating conditions like an animal.
Keki Nash, you can go back to your country too. Apprently, the European country you came from did not suffer much from the occupation in WWII, so you can easily defend occupiers and their oppression. Look at yourself, before you send other people "where they came from". You are not being exactly American, or you would understand American notion of freedom, and you would not so wontonly defend the heartless occupiers, nor defend their right to oppress millions of people subjecting them to their whim for over half a century.
Excellent question. As a citizen, I'm appalled that more of my tax dollars are being used for Israel's propaganda. Can't pass a bill for the debt ceiling, but got an hour to wait on Netanyahu? smh
And why is the Iranian issue on the table again? Fear mongering ... If the Palestinian issue is resolved this will alienate Iran even further, which would actually serve the purpose of Israel.
Do you know who are killing 98% of Muslims around the world ???
the answer is Muslims.
shon
What does your statement have anything to do with the situation? Do you hate Muslims? If so then say it.
Netanyahu was invited to speak (Or requested and granted)
This is completely normal by congress.
If you are not American, i can understand the question.
If you are American, you dont understand how American politics work.
Thats sad.
9 miles wide, so what? You can't expand that. You can't maintain military in somebody else's state. Whose gonna attack from the Jordan River? Jordan? Iraq? It's 2011... get real.
Plus he already said Iran can fire a nuke from Tehran to Washington DC.
Hezbollah and Hamas fire rockets out of resistance because the IDF are thugs. Israel deserves it. Do some research. I don't think these Fundies care about Hamas saying to kill the Jews because that's the end result of the rapture they're trying to achieve anyways. The unity government will be a separate entity with Hamas, stop using this as an excuse to postpone the peace process. It was a union of Palestinian politics
You are one sad human being.
If i live next door to you and want to kill you...
then i make a deal and have somebody buy the house on the other side of you...
I got you right where i want you.
If Hamas ever gets control of the west bank (I think thats what the plan is)
Israel now faces Hamas west bank
hamas gaza
and hezzbolah southern Lebanon.
NOT GOOD !!!!
Netanyahu IS NOT a parner for PEACE! Israel takes peace, and talks a good game, but then turn around and terrorize the Palestianian people.
Netanyahu is a disrespectful idiot and liar. Israel has never been interested in true peace, they are interested in the $3B our Congress sends them every year. Look at Congress, like a bunch of high school cheer leaders for a foreigner. Do they represent America or Israel? Its quite a display when your congress has more respect for a foreigner than its own head of state. This keeps the U.S. an embarrassment on the international stage. Oh and when is America going to fess up to being responsible for the conflict? We look lands from the Palestians and gave them to Israel and then armed Israel to grab more land. No one wants to talk about this part of this history of this conflict. This is an unbelievable display of our government!
Netanyahu is not a man of peace & it is sad to see the useless bags that we elected to congress listen to his deceiving lies.
GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BECAUSE WERE SENDING YOU OUR MONEY!!!
Mr Mallman. I cannot believe how ignorant some people can be, especially you. If you are going to make ridiculous claims like that you should probably evidence to back it up. And I'm gonna give you some evidence to prove that you know nothing about this issue and should stay out of it, so you don't clout the opinions of others on this issue. You claim that Israel just wants to expand it's borders. Then tell me why Israel has given up huge plots of plant to the Jordanians and Egyptians, respectively, in exchange for peace treaties? Clearly, Israel values peace over expanding it's territory. So, next time you want to make ignorant comments like that check your facts.
Simon, it is not a secret that Israel wants to expand, "the proof is in the pudding", they are expanding into the West Bank as we speak by building illegal settlements, illegal in the eyes of the U.S. even, the U.S. calls them occupied territories, research it.
You are confusing real estate
with illegal settlements.
They are building homes that are legal because they are owned
by real estate development companies.
It has yet to be determined if they will be in Israel or "palestine:
The Arabs do business, just like the Isrealis,
The Arabs keep using this as an excuse against negotiations,
Israel turned the desert into an oasis
the arabs now want what they wouldnt work for before.
Build your own country.
Stop trying to steal what the Israel's have built !
This guy who uses the bible for his propaganda.......why does yahoo have more faith in the united states than he does in GOD?
They would give huge lots of land to Palestinians and relocate themselves from occupied territories if they wanted peace with Jordan and this is simply because Jordan is about 50% Palestinian refugees. The only difference in their flag is the star on the Jordanian, look it up for yourself.
Arab is always an Arab no matter how many generation are living here. I know because I'm not posing as American, I'm an European expelled from Europe by the Arabs taking my country. The are destroying all western civilization, democracy and moral values. They are the second or third generation there, and still don't integrate, so don't give me bullshit. You always be an enemy inside democracy.
You were expelled from Europe and that's very sad, but the Arabs did not expel you the Europeans did, but now surely you must know how it feels when the Palestinians were expelled from their land in 1948.
Let's face it, one of the Israeli government's main reasons for not giving up disputed land to the Palestinians has less to do with terrorism and a whole lot to do with economics. For example, since Israel began expanding on disputed land, it has spent trillions of US dollars throughout the decades building Dubai style resorts and hotels and housing complexes for the rich and famous. Do you think they would give up all this and place it in the hands of the Palestinians? Part of Israel's problem is that it keeps building on disputed land and as long as it continues to spend billions of dollars building these expensive complexes, it would be difficult for them to relinquish these complexes. Secondly, as long as Israel continues to put its citizens on occupied land, it would be more difficult for it to relocate their citizens in the long run without civil unrest and hostility, especially if or when its citizens happen to grow roots on land that do not belong to them. But there is a solution and it does not include violence or terrorism. If the west is unwilling to step in and restructure the disputed land, then its left to the Arab world to intervene. And this is what they can do... What we do know is that Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq alone control 3/4 of the world oil. A great deal of this oil goes to Europe and a large portion comes to the US. So what if these oil rich countries were to shut off the pumps tomorrow and hault production of their oil to the global market? The answer is very simple! The Palestian would have a homeland tomorrow! Yea, I guarantee it would happen overnight! And let's face it, unless other oil rich nations in the Arab world such as Dubai stop spending trillions of dollars building resorts to entertain Europeans and start caring for their own people, then they have no one else to blame but themselves for the disrespectful ways in which Muslims are treated and portrayed around the world.
Hey Joe,
If those oil rich countries shut off the pumps.
there would be world war 3.
You think they dont know that ?
The countries on this planet that need the oil the most....
USA, Britain, China, India,
All four have nukes.
All four have large standing armies.
All four would have no problem with reducing the governments of those
backwards countries to dust.
It is now survival of the fittest.
"Of 300 million Arabs, less than 1/2 of 1% are truly free and they're all citizens of Israel".
Do not lie again Mr. Netanyahu. How about the 40 Israeli Arabs villages which are NOT recognized by the government since 1948? The Arabs in these villages are considered Israeli citizens, but they live without electricity, running water, health services, schools... Why? because these villages are not recognized by the Israeli authorities since 1948. THIS IS THE DEMOCRACY IN ISRAEL.
You are aware that "Palestinians" is a made up ethnicity, right? These Palestinian refugees are displaced people from Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, and other Arab nations, yet their home countries don't want them in their countries because these people are the scum of the earth. In 1948, the ARAB LEADERS told every Arab to leave Israel because they were going to attack them and take over. Yet, they failed and Israel CRUSHED them, and even gave these people the opportunity to return in peace, but they denied it. It is their own fault for leaving and Israel is doing them a favor by letting them live in Israel even though they fire Qassam rockets into schools, and blow themselves up on busses.
Yeah, Israel is totally in the wrong here. Stop being so ignorant, it's scumbag people like you that makes the world full of hate instead of peace and tolerance. Israel will live on forever simply becuase we are BETTER than the Palestinians. 60 years of existence and has yet to lose a war against all of our Arab neighbors combined. Hate all you want, it only makes us stronger.
Simon, no one claim that Palestinian is an ethnicity, where did you get that? Palestinians are Semites (that's an ethnicity) and so are most people in that region including the Jews, Christians and Muslims.
Simon,
Palestinians were displaced in 1948 from Haifa, Yaffa, etc, even your country acknowledges it, read your own history before you post ignorance and make a fool out of yourself.
You should do a little research before you put your rubbish disinformation out there. Israel was created in Palestine by the hands of British government in 1948.
This is how HATE looks and feels like. Only WE are right, everybody else actually does not exist. And if they happen to be there in OUR land, it is by chance, they slinkered in there, because they are the scum of earth and nobody wanted them! Of course Mr. Hate. Nobody wanted Jews at the time Hitler did everything to get rid of them. He did not exactly care how to get rid of them. Remember the ships of Jewish refugees being denied entry into other countries? No countries ever want other people's problems. Very few countries would open their borders to poor and displaced, pennyless, sick, old and the little ones. Only brave people, individual with heart did it.
You would have made perfect Nazi citizen. You cannot even concieve that the oppressed, occupied people have right to live as well as you.
You people are scary.
Do you know who are killing 98% of Muslims around the world ???
the answer is Muslims.
It would be better if you all will focus on your own problems !!!
I dont understand why the 1967 borders are in-Defensible? Havnt they already been defended and arn't they larger then the original borders of Israel? Can someone please explain this Irony?
Rob, excellent question. Those "indefensible" borders were good enough to not only defend, but to double up the country's territory in no time at all! Seems to me that it is Palestinians, Egyptians, Syrians and Lebanese that need to ponder the defensibility of their borders!
Not that i believe this but just to throw this idea out there. Maybe Israel can't defend its borders because of long term thinking. Maybe Israel is thinking of being the next Roman Empire and knows that eventually it won't be able to defend the expanded borders. As I said I don't believe this but who knows. If anything it's a post with no reference to religion or any racist rheoteric.
Worst speech I ever heard. IRAN! HOLOCAUST! Indefensible borders! Hamas!
Sick of it. Go home, get out of my country. Of course the Fundies eat this up. They want all the Jews in Israel so Jesus comes back and Grandpa, despite being cremated, is raptured with them. Oh and the Jews and Muslims vaporize. Congress is full of these Protestant Fundies. 98% of them
He doesn't want peace. Basically he said that the West Bank will need a military presence and Tel Aviv can't have the 9 mile radius around it. That and he wants cancerous settlements like Ariel. That means the Palestinians are left with scraps. And if the refugees get nothing from Israel and Jerusalem can't even be shared then forget it.
Netanyahoo just said "I'm not interested in peace" again of course.
I call on President Obama to use American Military and forcefully kick them out. It's our job. Israel is no friend of mine, but obviously the Fundies aren't going to change. But when your friend has a horrible drug habit you try to get them help even if they hate you for it or go to prison. So Obama should use that excuse. If Israel resists, then forget the friendship. This conflict is the reason the Middle East hates us, it's the reason for the rise of terror and the reason for 9/11
Netanyahu is the ultimate terrorist, worse than a dozen Osama Bin Ladens
Netan-yayhoo, go back where you came from! What an a**hole! Why should he be speaking to a session of congress? Might of well have had Botha and DeKlerk speak to congress! After all the U.S. had to be forced kicking and screaming to divestment with South Africa. So the U.S. has a huge history of backing the wrong side. Same here. It sounds like when the native Americans were deemed terrorists and savages and foced onto reservations. So no wonder.
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Between the enemy living inside this country and the idiots supporting them this country is gonna be an easy prey for fanatic Muslims, let's hope western values are more strong than those idiots. If not the world is doomed, with all this fanaticism.
Keki, I feel empathy for you, I really do. You are a victim of Jewish-Corporate run propaganda. I have a feeling that you are Jewish as well but, you cannot let that blind your judgement and attitude. For example, you shouldn't be a Christian just because you are raised Christian or be Muslim because you are raised Muslim. Please, figure out the unbiased truth for yourself.
Israel is definitely talking with a fork tongue! If they truly wanted to make peace, they would stop building and taking land that is not theirs. Israel is the aggressor by all means.
The world is watching and educating themselves on what is really happening, and time will tell the truth.
The world's opinion is evolving as it watches the belligerance of the Israeli attitude toward continuing to build settlements while so many people live horrible lives in Palestinian refugee camps.
Is it me or it feels like the boss just came in and gave them orders. And he's watching who's clapping and who's not?
Pathetic!
Netanyahu is nothing more than a murdering thug.
He should be arrested and imprisoned NOW, instead we allow him to scream his murderous venom in our highest government circles and run around with his begging bowl which the republicans and tea party will fall over themselves to fill.
Pardon me while I go and throw up.
AIPAC is what's wrong with America. Rather than caring about our own country we give $$$ to Israel and it's Arab neighbors to force peace. It's killing us!
Why did Netanyahu not praise PRESIDENT OBAMA; IN THE DECISION TO KILL BIN LADIN? Netanyahu, is an insult to those Israelis who are against what the Likud Party are controlling in Israel! SHAME ON HIM AND THEM!
He did.
lies, lies, and more lies.......the apartheid state of israel.
I knew the moment Netanyahu came back into power in Israel that there would never, never be peace on his watch.
Israel has been a selfish country for so long; regardless of the world tolerance to the injustice done to the Palestinians in recent modern history they continue their arrogant behavior.
We are fed up with their misrepresentation of the truth, and reckless behavior that reflected harm to others including Americans , As an American I would like Netanyahu to do what we tell him to do, they are not my friends when only their interest to be protected and the hell with mine..
For all the Americans in this blog, all this fighting is because of the Palestinians who want not only to take the land of Israel but also wipe out it's people. Israel stays quiet until the Palestinians make all the commotion. Palestinians hate America!! The only country in all of the middle east who America considers a true friend is Israel. Israel is there to help America in times of need and vice versa. Palestinians have nothing to offer to America except complaints. Remember, to most of the Palestinians who the majority are Muslims (a few are Christians), us Americans are infidels who will be punished when we die.
Dear ceedee, Please learn your history before publicly commenting on something you obviously know nothing about. And the Muslim comment... really... shameful!. You do not represent America and you do not represent me!
You must be forgetting that the land belonged to the Palestinians before this made up Israel the U.S. created with the help of its allies. You act as if Israel today is the Biblical Israel. No, it just celebrated its 50 years in existence in 2008. So go back to the root. Israel, with the help of the U.S., took land from the Palestinians.
Israel was created in 1948, it's on paper it did not exist prior to that.
ceede,
many people tried to give you information here. But taking time and trouble to do so has been waste of time. Clearly, you are not interested in learning. Even though it should be your responsibility to get some information before pontificating publicly, many have been kind and replied kindly. Now I see that you are simply a hater of Arabs, Moslems or both. People like you make real Americans sick.
Bianca, you make me sick !
Ladies and gentlemen of the Congress of the Unite States, I have the honor to introduce the best story teller of Israel who is going to entertain you with his best stories. Once again, here is: Netanyahu, the "Boogie Man".
WHERE IS THE EARTHQUAKE WHEN YOU NEED ON? IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT OCCUR AND MADE THE LAND SINK UNDER THE OCEAN. THESE BRAIN DAMAGES HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR YEARS
Netanyahu and the LIKUD Party, should be eliminated and let the Israel and Palestine People talk between themselves and the world would be a much better place for all of them.
Netanyahu keeps breaking his promise to stop new settlements on Palestinian land. We keep telling him to keep his word but when he doesn't there is no punitive action taken against him. We just keep giving him money.
They are Recognized........recognized as the largest terrorist organization in the Middle East.
here here
What a pile of crap from the worlds biggest fertilizer salesman.
Those supporting the Likud Party are not silent! Even against their own people who want peace with Palestinians.
11:53: Calls on Mahmoud Abbas to stand before his people and say, "'I will accept a Jewish state.' Those six words will change history."
Those six words will change Mahmoud Abbas from a live human to a dead one.
Thank god for US politicians and Jews power over them, from the WH down to Senate and House. This guy gets to deliver his rubbish from where US Presidents deliver their State of the Union speech. Now I call that power over US people. Then there is that over and over standing ovation for all the none sense this fool has to say. He wants US to fight his wars, baby sit their asses while they go about killing and terrorizing Palestine people, the true owners of that land. Who cares what stupid and imaginary Abraham did or said 4000 years ago. This massacre never stop till the last Palestinian whether is killed or thrown out of his land while US politicians looking the other way. Someone should ask this guy why International community is not allowed to inspect Israel's nuclear sites and why they get to defy all UN's resolutions.
We as Americans, have to stop listening to lies from those the likes of Netanyahu and the Likud Party. G?D will make his justice against them?
I am so weary of hearing Israel's mouthpieces yammering about 'peace'. If peace were really wanted, it would have happened decades ago. Neither side wants peace. Israel has taken over our very government. If one does not think Israel is 'sacred', or you express any disagreement with Israel"s actions, you are branded 'antisemitic'. It cheapens the word. It dilutes the meaning. As using the charge of 'racist' when it actually is not I stopped caring about all this years ago. This is my first comment in years, and will be my last.
I agree with you 100%... as long as there is no peace then Israel can hold out its tin cup and demand money and the US gives it quickly. If there were peace then the justification for $$$ would not be there. The US is underwriting Israel as a country. We borrow money from china with interest and then give it to Isreal and never to see a payment in return. Israel wants no peace... they continue to build in the west bank, lock the Pals in Ghettos and shoot them with rubber bullets and tear gas if they complain.... It is truly 100% apartide...
The woman-stoning, honor-killing, suicide bombing Islamo-fascists are out in full force today along with all of their unread, anti-semitic American friends. One can never, ever reconcile Islam with woman's rights, universal suffrage and Western democracy. I you support Islam, you must oppose these tenants day and night and night and day.
"IF you support Islam..."
You need to read your bible... the same thing could be said about Christianity
Obey Your Husband
If Israel stops building you think that automatically = Hamas recognizing it and end of suicide bombings on the Palestinian side? I highly doubt it. Better yet, I say let's stop any expansion from Israel for a year. Let's see what the other side does.
When the Arab nations stop blacking-out (literally) on their maps, then they can begin the talks! Otherwise nothing will get done.
Blacking-out Israel
Most Arab nations do accept Israel as a sovereign nation, but that's besides the point. FYI Iran is not an Arab nation. Most Arab nations do not publicly declare Israel as a nation BECAUSE of this conflict, one peace is established, both people have their governments and territory every country in the region will declare Israel as a true friend and ally, however think about it, does peace in the region benefit Israel? Will they still receive aid (military and economic) from the US? Will other neighboring nations flourish economically? How will that affect Israel's economy?
This is not a Israel-Arab confrontation IS a WESTERN WORLD-ARAB confrontation. IF you don't get this, take a loo at Europe and see for you self how the Arabs are taking over Europe, creating their ghettos and attacking the democracies there. Don't be fool, ignoring the reality is not gonna make it go away. USA is in danger, and you must act now and defend the western values, you are one of the few true democracies and western countries left.
Don't be lazy and defend your country. I will support you!! and not I'm not Jew or Israeli, but I'm prefer Democratic Israel over any fanatic Arab country.
Ghettos are not created, they are forced by the alienation of people by the people. France occupied and killed millions of Arabs in north Africa, then uses them as slave labor and now doesn't want them because "there are too many of them"?
It is time that Israel actually moves forward with Peace. The best way is for the US to cut all funds being given to Israel. it is not our conflict and as long as there is fighting then the US gives money to Israel. If we cut funds then and ONLY then will they move forward with Peace. They continue to build in the West bank and herd the Pals into ghettos and wonder why their is termoil. They build a wall to isolate the best land nad water for Israel and give NOTHING in return. The US asks for Israel to do things and they in turn say "no" but send an invoice for more money playing on the part of the Christians in America to back them. If any Christian in the US were to see how the Pals were forced to live they would think twice on their support. Israel will always have a reason to not accept peace or to allow the Pals to have their own country... War generates money for them, pitty for them... As long as we send money for protection then there is no reason for peace.
Abraham's first son was half Egyptian, therefore he was of the true son of G?D!
Are all of today's anti-Israel bloggers Obama's Wisconsin thugs on government cheese? Obama is the best friend the Islamo-fascists have ever had in The White House.
Sorry pal, there a a lot of republicans and independents who are vehemently opposed to the Jews and Israel. You are on a sinking ship. So sad...
Ditto, if you think this is a partisan issue you are grossly mistaken.
For once, this has nothing to do with Obama. American's are tired of writing a blank $3B check to Israel a year and we are tired of our Congress representing Israel over America.
Great speech, very clever indeed! Makes Israel appear the oppressed when they are murdering palestinian kids, etc like WMDs they have 60 secs to launch rockets? when israel only country in middle east with nuclear! Israel will know go on killing, and will attack other countries calling it a preemptive strike to prevent an attack on them! He is trying to gather support from US and Europe before they do this! So sad to see our senate give him more applause then our own president, wake up stop supporting this zionist nation!
Call your congressman/senator and let them know how you feel. (202)-224-3121 (house and senate operator)
"Netanyahu says the issue is about recognition of Israel as a Jewish state." This Will never happen .
Netanyahu speach is nothing but a joke . If any one believes that his Vision is the way to peace , Think it over , Peace is Dead . He even claimed that Israel is not an occupier , hahahahah
Almost every soingle comment above is RACIST based and comnpletely unfounded.
It is quite obvious here just how many people have absolutely no clue what so ever they are talking about
The ONLY people who do NOT want peace are clearly the Palestinians.
Israle has been gioving these people their own land sinv=]ce the begginnning of time in the interest of peace, and in each and every single case in recorded hostory, these people have used said land to launch attacks on Israel.
There is absolutely No difference between HAMAS, the offical representsative right now of the Palestinaian people, and RADIAL ISLAMIC JIHADISTS!!!
NONE WHATSOEVER.
Osrale has been victimized and victimized and victimized, and now, as they bow to demansds for a Plaestinaian state and do all they can to make it happen, almost every soingle person cam,e in here and revealed just how deeply they do not undestand this issue at all, or how this tiny nation, has suffered at the hands of racists like most of the people here who commented in any way that any of this has ever been or ever will be an ISRAELI CAUSED PROBLEM
The TRUTH is the OPNLY MURDEROPUS THUGS are HAMAS and the entiore Plaestinian authority...poeriod end of story...
It isn;lt even debateable...it's FACT!!!
One has to wonder who organized all of today's anti-semites. Apparently someone at ACORN is very annoyed that Netanyahu b*tchslapped Obama at The White House in front of the whole world.
Fix your caps lock button dude. Second, I suspect you have never spoken to Palestinian Christians and Muslims who had their land stolen from them by jews solely because their so-called holy book said so. Imagine coming home from work one day only to find that you cannot unlock your door with your key. Then a filthy jew with dreads down to his neck opens the door of your home and yells at you to get off his land and away from his house, when that land and that house was the only land and home you have known in your lifetime. Imagine the hatred you would feel to the jews. The Palestinans can never be blamed for their intense hatred for the jews. I, as an American Criristian, am with Palestine 100%.
Yawn, the racist thing is so played. So if you don't agree with Israel or Netanyahoo, you're racist? Give me a break.
Funny how the most religious people cannot negotiate a problem peacefully. What does that say about religion???
I support the Jewish State, period. I hate you liberals and every word you learned to repeat from your pretentious faith based education. You fools continue to pat yourself on the back with your psuedo intellectual belief system that is wrapped tightly up your rat infested a$sholes. Please do us a favor and sit on a screwdriver for a tune up in life. Let's go ahead and divide this world into liberlals and Muslims vs conservatives and Jews. Lets get this sh@t started and finished.
Unfortunately you are alone in this debate, most people on this earth want peace in that region, you on the other hand advocate hatred (and thus war).
Sounds to me like he is more than willing to sit down and speak with the leader of the (moment) of the Palestinians. Does he have a few hard set non-negotiable? You bet...
THIS GUY USES THE BIBLE FOR HIS PROPAGANDA, AND INSTILLS THE FEAR OF GOD IN US.......BUT WHY DOES THIS FOOL HAVE MORE FAITH IN THE UNITED STATES THAN HE DOES IN GOD HIMSELF?
Why should the Arabs accept Isreal as a state? Isreal was forcablly created by Jews with the help of the US and UK in 1947 at the end of WWII. The land was illegaly taken from the Arabs and given to Jews. Learn the history and then you'll understand why the wars in that region continue today.
So your history starts in 1947? Shalow history book dont you think?
I'm sure it doesn't, but today's Israel's history does. Its quite jarring that a group of people that stole land from another group thinks everyone should cry a river for them and look the other way at the wrongs they've done, because they themselves were wronged. Its quite unbelievable.
Well, seeing as the land has been in Arab hands for longer then the entire history of the US... I am sure you are willing to move out of your home and give it back to me right? I am half Native America.... Dont worry mister white/black man you can have the New Mexico and West Texas! Not any of the areas with water or oil though shoot that would be crazy.
translation: SEND US MORE AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS.
$3B per year used to be a lot of money. Inflation is killing Israel!
and we wonder where our money goes.
We should cut off all aid to Israel until they sign the 1967 agreement.I am so tired of these people.Maybe we should arm Hamas and let them battle to the death with Israel and whoever wins gets all the land.
I hope you be ready when they came after your country, if you think Hamas is gonna stop and be content with taking Israel you are a moron. The hate US, and democracy and Infidels like you. Just go to their web site an use Google translate to see it for yourself. You are blind.
But Why?
Your fear tactic sounds like a sound bite from Netanyahu "If .... Mexicans.... San Diego...."
We are dealing with our own internal issues right now, sorry too busy, no money left to send, we have hungry people, unemployment, and wounded military vets getting the shaft.
Netanyahu gives me the shivers like Dick Chaney its men like these that will start WWIII.
agreed.
Why does the modern-day state of Israel exist to begin with? Should we allow every ethnic group who has lost their territory at some point in history to return and disregard the rights of the current occupants? Great, let's give all of North and South America back to descendants of Native Americans, the UK back to the descendants of the Celts (the Irish), and Australia back to the Aborigines.
Recognized as a nation that secretly developed a nuclear weapon against the UN directives? Why not?
Before I put my thought out there; my mother is Jewish, father is Catholic. Under Jewish religion, I am Jewish. That said, I find Netanyahu to be as harsh as his counterparts in many aspects. The land Israel seized in 1967 is not their land, not as the state of Israel was originally intended to be. For them to continue to build on this land is a spit in the face to the UN, the United States and especially the Palestinines. Neither side is innocent in this sage, both sides have blood on their hands, but I firmly believe Israel needs to STOP all construction, and start thinking about how to transfer this land over time.
blow it out of @$$ prime minister. Many of us dont care.
The man makes a very impressive speech laying out his vision. Nice job with the protester too. Hard to argue with his perspective of requirements to make peace.
We can't expect palestinians to have positive views about us, if we don't accept the truth about them. I admire Obama's courage, for staying on this view about 1967 borders at the AIPAC conference. We pay billions of dollars to israel for the security and growth, we support them and have supported them for years, and all we get in return, that the israeli president, sits infront of the president and say, "No" to his 1967 border view. We have neglected the United Nation's stand on Israel and Kashmir. We should once in a life time, stand and accept the facts, truth, and support the right.
Only 26 standing ovations? He was speaking in the US Congress, a/k/a Israeli-occupied territory.
Syria, Jordan and Egypt have every right to Hate The Jews to their core. The Jews are liers and thieves. They thrive on vicitmization. They have destroyed nation after nation in their time. They are the scum of the Earth. People so wickid that they even brought Christ Himself to tears because of their behavior. And no I am not a Muslim.
Well said. Thank you!!!!
He came here trying to make fun at us, after our president went to israel last week and gave a totally different speech, millions of Palestinians killed compared to a few israelis do the math, do not come to our country insulting our intelligence!
I love jews but despise the zionist leaders whom have taken control of israel striving to bring about a greater israel!
he's not serous about Peace!!!!! But there will be war, with the arrogance of the U.S & Isreal, how can we avoid.
SEE NOW HERE THE REACTION OF OBAMA AND PALESTEBIAN HERE AFTER NETANYAHO
http://machahir123.blogspot.com/
Every time the word "Israel” is mentioned in the news, flocks of maggots and vultures coming out spitting biological hatred at the only humane and moral society amidst stone age fanatical mob. The context of the news doesn't matter, the keyword is Israel. The arguments are pointless. The supporters of Israel are on defensive trying to argue with historical facts and logical arguments. The non-Islamic enemies of Israel are just anti-Semitic and use Israel as pretext to express their anti Jewish feelings. The Islamic enemies of Israel are preprogrammed to hate the Jews and Israel by their "peaceful” religion and Quran. The Islamic Arab mentality is very simple – blood and murder. In Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere they killed 10 times more of their own people that all coalition forces. The enemies of Israel don’t care about so called "Palestinians", they use the conflict to feed their hatred. As of conflict, Golda Meir said “We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours. The peace will be only when Arabs will love their children more than they hate us".
It will never happen.
Foreign heads of state and heads of government from 48 countries have addressed joint meetings of Congress more than a hundred times and you Islamo-facists complain when the Israeli PM does? Racists!
I just want to ask one question and that is why when you ask anybody except "jews" what their nationality is, they will gladly tell you. But ask them, and they don't say Russian, German, they just say "Jewish". Am I wrong? There is no such ethnicity as Jew. I don't say I'm Catholic or Methodist. I say German and Dutch. Must be that huge chip on their shoulder that makes them forget. Maybe they just aren't proud of their true heritage? Ok, that was more than one question. But you get my point?
You probably are a Catholic. That would make total sense. Your Roman Catholic church murdered millions of Jews and hi-jacked their religion claiming it was your own and you think your pope is god on earth. Time to admit you worship the queen of heaven, rather then the G-d of Israel
Actually I am not catholic. I fact I don't believe in any higher being, and my life is just fine. I am not so shallow that I need to have some invisible being to fill my life to the detriment of my family and friends.
Shame on everyone who puts Israel down. They have always had the RIGHT to have their own land. God gave them that land as an inheritance forever! They are highly intelligent people and are protected by the One, True God. Anyone who comes against Israel will do so to their own peril. The Archangel Michael guards Israel day and night. Hard to believe that such a tiny nation is so hated, when all they want is to be able to live in peace and have their own place to call their own just like every other country does. If you attack them they WILL attack you, just as any other nation would do to protect itself.
I had no idea the US Congress was a branch of the Likud party. What a disgusting display. This tired old drone of propaganda by netanyahu and the on their feet clapping response from the Likud peanut gallery was pathetic. It has done more to undermine the credibility of the US in the eyes of the rest of the world than anything before.
Heads of 48 nations have addressed congress a hundred times and you complain when the head of Israel does, only because you hate Israel.
I don't think any foreign nation should address congress, they should go through the state department, that's why it is there in the first place.
Actually I don't hate Israel at all. It's a nice piece of land that my German relatives would like to make it their summer home.
What I hate are the residents who feel they are owed something because of what happened in WWII. And what's the deal with shaving the women's heads? They aren't ugly enough?
Go back to Israel we dont want you here..
go back to ur muslim cave and kill some more jews
osrael should never return all the territories they won against these muslim terrorists that attracked them in 1967 and are still attacking israel every day with deadly missles
What about the territories they 'won' in 1948?
They seem to be on a winning spree...
Didn't a lot of Europe and the US stop Germany in the 40's when they were on a similar winning spree?
the last thing we need is another muslim country next to israel, all the muslim countries are in chaos why would the liebrals want another muslim country I guess their hatred against the jews is so strong they will even accept another dysfunctional muslim country if thats what it atakes to get rid of the jews
Palestine must be recognized!
It's a little scary to contemplate where all of the American anti-semites on this board came from all of a sudden. Obama certainly knows how to inspire obedience and hatred in the unread gamer-generation given its lack of a grasp of history. They certainly deserve to be called Obamatron zombies. You can see their obedient predecessors in Leni Riefenstahl's classic documentary "Triumph of Will."
The are radical Muslims. Read their sites. They are trying to teach Muslims to reason with words. They don't understand that they are clearly seen for who they are.
I love the irony of your statement with one mouth you attack people for being bigots and out your other you spout bigoted view points. I dont know if it is comical, sad or both.
Its an irony about them I still can't get used to.
One of the many questions for mr. regev: If ehud barak was satisfied with the palestinians recognizing Israel without the qualifier of "Jewish" why now is netanyahoo demanding that there can be no negotiations unless the Palestinians recognize Israel specifically as the "Jewish" state?
i lost track counting the number of times the USA congress members stood up clapping during the speech of the israeli prime minister...what a shame.. he is the actual leader of this congress so NO wonder..
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Bible quote. Don't put your trust in nobles or earthly man. Jehovah's kingdom with his son Jesus is the only salution.
That is NOT a bible quote.
I understand that Israel has border problems. So does Laos, Burma, Sri Lanka and dozens of other little ethnic enclave nations. What I don't understand is why I'm supposed to care, or why some think Obama is obligated to support Israel counter to US interests?
What I really can't understand is why anyone would call Israel, who lies to us, spys on us and manipulates our politics, a "friend". Will the US be a sucker forever?
It's called AIPAC the power of money and the israel lobby control the USA...unfortunately.
Our own President lies to us!
God Bless Israel!!
Netanyahu concludes. "May God bless you and may God forever bless the United States of America." This is interesting because most Christians in the US believe God is Jesus Christ, who was killed by Jews and therefore do not recognize him as the Christ. What God is he referring to?
The anti-christ of course. It's as clear as can be.
You know nothing of world history or the bible (Neither did the Roman Catholic church). Herod, the puppet king of Rome was an Edomite. So were all those in charge at the time. Esau, not Jacob killed Christ along with Rome. Roman lies is what you are saying.
we american christians stand with israel with their fught against these blood thirsty muslims , musllims are the ones that invented terror in the 21 century i cant understand how these liberals here are defending these palestinian and muslim terrorists
im a conservative republican christian and disagree with our support of israel especially with 8 million per day we give them in aid when we have so many other priorities with that money.
Excuse me barbara, there are millions upon millions of American Christians who do not support Israel. I would appreciate it if you don't lump all Christians together as blind supporters of Israel, because it is a farce. Keep in mind, the jews were no friend to Christ. Psalms115:4 – Google it. Christ spent His entire life trying to get people out of the jewish religion because he felt it wickid. The old addage, "well, Christ was jewish," is a non-starter. Just becuase you were born something does not mean you approve of it. Just as Christ disapproved of the jewish faith as a born jew. The jews mock and belittle Christianity regularly.
Question is, does Israel stand with Christians? Do they accept Jesus as God? I'm just sayin'....
barb,
Did you know that hundreds of thousands of Palestinans are Christian? The jews are framing the issue as a jewish-muslim conflict. they do this on purpose to thwart the fact the jews are killing Christians daily. Support that? Better yet, do you think Christ would have supported that?
Invented Terror? You are kidding right? Are you a liberal making fun of the opposition? I just refuse to believe someone is that stupid. You are just some left wing guy being funny.
Simple facts that we know of, Hamas does not recognize Israel’s right to exist in the first place. Israel has given up land time and again in the interest of peace only to have them bombed again. The process starts all over again .the pattern suggests that they will not be happy until Israel is gone. So how do you negotiate with someone when it seems there only desire is to make sure you and your people are extinct??
Its simple. Lets say I lived on my grandfathers land/farm/grove and you showed up one day and told me god gave you that land. Hmmmm
Isn't that what happened to the Native Americans?
Yep
The Taylor Prism was written by an Assyrian king in 701 BC. Read it. The squaters are the Arabs. There is NO "P" in the arabic language. Palenstine was a creation of Jealous Rome.
MY QUESTION IS THE OBVIOUS ONE... WILL HE AGREE TO GO BACK TO THE 1967 PALESTINE BORDERS AS IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY H.E BARACK OBAMA? AND IF THEY REACH SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT WILL HE ASSURE THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT NOT TO OVER REACT WHEN ORGANIZE EXTREMIST LAUNCH ATTACK AGAINST ISRAEL? INSTEAD ISRAEL SHOULD OFFER ASSISTANCE TO THE WEAK GOVERNMENT OF PALESTINE?
MY LAST QUESTION WILL BE DOESN'T ISRAEL FEAR THE SUCCESSFULNESS OF PALESTINE STATE WOULD POSE A TOUGHER RESISTANCE IN THE FUTURE?
B.O. already back peddled his 1967 borders comment...
No he didn't. So broke it down to kindergarden language for those who pretended not to understand what mutually swapped agreements meant.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee said it "appreciated" President Obama's clarification that he did not expect Israel to return to its 1967 lines.
Read more: http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/05/22/3087815/aipac-appreciates-obamas-1967-lines-clarification
Such seething anti-semetic and anti Israel vitriol by the majority of the posters. Appalling! While I do not agree with everything Israel does, particularly the settlements, Israel is our staunchest ally, certainly in the Middle East and, perhaps, in the world. And, it must be borne in mind that Israel is the United States' primary intelligence source in the region. What cannot be denied is that the vast majority of the Arab world is fully committed to the destruction of Israel. What also cannot be denied is that Arab terrorists have and continue to attack Israeli civilians. Hamas, recognized by the United States as a terrorist organization, is sworn to the annihilation of Israel. To attempt to coerce Israel to negotiate with a group that is committed to its destruction is sheer lunacy. Given the innocent lives taken by Palestinian terrorists in Israel over the years, to compell them to negotiate with Hamas is akin to compelling the United States to negotiate with the late Osama Bin Laden. Israel is clearly being held to a completely different standard than any other country in the world would be, as it always had. They are right to vigorously resist a suicidal peace accord.
Welcome to reality Carl,
A growing number of Americans are getting fed up with the jews and their antics.
Give em hell Bebe.
The speech was AMAZING !!!
To all the Muslims that are responding here... eat your hat !
There is nothing that you guys can be proud of, all we can hear from you is hate and jealousy !!
that's why you guys will never get anywhere.
you know who are killing 98% of Muslims ??? the answer is Muslims.
so stop to cry and complain !
are you saying that the only people responding against Israel are Muslim. Well, I do not support your people or your so called nation which is is kept alive solely by American tax dollars at all. And I am a Christian.
100% agree!!!
I am still so angry with Netanyahu for "lecturing" our President that I can hardly look at the man much less take anything he says seriously. He is hurting Israel's cause throughout the world. Could he just admit that Israel has annexed land illegally and get on with it?
Obummer needed a little more "schooling" so.... Besides clearly BO learned something or he wouldn't have back peddled his comments so rapidly...
President Obama NEVER back-peddled on anything. He simply broke it down into "My Pet Goat" terms for the likes of you.
Simple terms for you my dear: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee said it "appreciated" President Obama's clarification that he did not expect Israel to return to its 1967 lines.
Read more: http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/05/22/3087815/aipac-appreciates-obamas-1967-lines-clarification
The huge majority of Israelis want peace. Ditto the huge majority of Palestinians. Unfortunately, this will never happen: there are too many vested interests, especially the hardline rightwing of the US-Israeli "neoconservative" alliance, many of whom are making vast profits from the ongoing conflicts in the Mid East and the so-called "war on terror". The people in the AIPAC/JINSA/PNAC/neocon camp, amongst whom a longstanding and pathological hatred for the Arab race and the Muslim faith is commonplace, are also largely responsible for formulating official US mid-east policy.
These people have even signed 147 page essay "Rebuilding America's Defenses" in which the writers wished for the development of "biological weapons targeting specific ethnic genotypes". This is the US-Israeli equivalent to Iran's Mahmud Ahmedinejad: the difference being, Iran is historically unlikely and militarily incapable of such an atrocity, whereas for the the US/Israeli hardliners, killing millions of those they hate would be a picnic in the park.
god bless israel and protect them from all these anti semites on cnn
You bring no substance in your posts, just personal opinion which you are entitled to of course, but don't expect any following on this forum but simple expressing your opinion.
barbra, from one Christian to another, your ignorance is shocking. CNN is owned by jews. Read: altermedia.info/civil-rights/96-of-media-owned-by-6-jewish-companies_906.html
I'd like to know what Jordan and Egypt did after 1948? Why didn't they do something then? When the PLO was formed, why didn't they form a government in exhile? Why do the Arabs still teach hatred of Jews and others? If these Arabs (haven't found a cultural difference between the Arabs around the Middle East) are really different than the ones in Egypt, Jordan or Syria, then let them show it by setting down all of their weapons and doing only civil disobedience. If they do that, the Israelis will be shunned worldwide if there is violence... Oh, wait that's it. These "Palestinians" (a Roman name for the area after they stopped calling Judea) only know violence going back to when they were Arabs and murdered Jews who were living there prior to WW1 (that's what you see WW1!).
What the Israeli PM said is all true. But that does not diminish the chance of the Palestinian state in September. So what do you do? Reality talks – words walk.
action walks
The posers are out in full force today...Unfortunately...most of you have no idea and no iota what goes on in Israel...Mere propaganda nonsense...by arabists..and Islamofascists...Just because you post the same BS over and over again doesn't make it fact... Israel is here...and is not going anywhere...If the arabs want to have a better life for their kids and grandkids I would suggest they face facts...and come to terms with Israel..renounce violence...They obviously haven't learned even after 100 years ..that political violence will get them NOTHING!...For a change show the Israelis that you are trully committed to peace...Elimante the leaders that call on the destruction of Israel...and start living in the 21st century not the 8th century...Do you want a better life for your kids or not?..In 63 years the Israelis have done and achieved incredible things...imagine what could be accomplished without worrying about Arab conquest and fanaticsm. Let faceit..80% of Jordon is Palestinian...and that country was originally part of 'Palestine'..There is no reason what so ever why Jordan can not and should not be the Palestinian State...Once the Palestinians rise up against King Abdullah and it will happen it then will become a Palestinian State... How many Palestinian states do we need..Lingistically..culturally..religiously homegenous.....That's where Palestine belongs...
Actually, the problem for you, AND Netanyahu, is that we DO know what goes on in Israel!
Huge problem for them, because this shows Americans aren't buying it any longer. Enough is enough.
Following your logic, there should have been no reason why the Jews didn't rise up against Hitler. Think before you post.
That Netanyahu received 26 standing ovations in only 50 minutes seems rather telling. Congress clearly seems to be overcompensating for something, and the American public should be asking themselves, "What is really going on here?" For such a controversial leader, immersed in such a complicated issue (the Arab-Israeli conflict), to have such overwhelming support from our U.S. Congress is disturbing to say the least. Congress, where is the representation of citizens who support Palestinian human rights?
congress is bought and paid for by israel lobby aipac
Maybe the Muslims should use their oil money to bribe congress, instead of building bombs to defeat Israel? Who are we kidding? Who are the rich ones on this planet?
It's quite obvious why Netanyahu received such a rapturous reception in Congress: A large slice of the powers-that-be in DC are Islamophobic, to the point of believing that "the only good Arab is a dead one, and every Palestinian person is a terrorist or potential terrorist".
The US/Israeli DC alliance never wants peace, unlike the huge majority of Israelis, because they are profiting handsomely from the unrest. Similarly, Hamas doesn't want peace either, as their thugs are getting a cash lifeline from Iran and other Arab states.
The US, unfortunately, is committed to the continuation of the fate of hundreds of thousands of exiled Palestinian families who have been living a horrendous concentration-camp like existence for decades in Lebanese and Jordanian "refugee camps", having been thrown out of their homes and off their land, at gunpoint, in 1948.
Peace is impossible under the current circumstances, and any US brokered "peace talks" are a cynical way of getting the public to think that "we are doing the right thing". The only way of looking at this fiasco is the usual one: "follow the money, and see where it leads".
the muslims here dodnt give a damn about the palestinians they are killing each other every minute around the world but their hatred against the jews unites them.
I think everyone on here is an Arab-American and isn't speaking from a place of being truly unbiased. They won the land just like American won land; therefore, they live on it. Simple!!! they acknowledge the existance of their enemies and will live with them if negotiated with....but palestinians won't negotiate and won't acknowlege Isreal...who is the monster in this story. It's very clear!!!!
Cara, I am sorry to break the news to you, but you are one of those dummies that still believe that kind of information … and I am not an Arab American. FYI
Cara, I don't think you understand the situation, no one is arguing about the land you are talking about when Israel was established in 1948, but since then Israel has occupied more land illegally according the the U.S. the U.N. and the rest of the world, and they have build homes (settlements) on this land.
Get it?
They didn't win any land. Israel sent to two world super powers, the U.S. and the UK, to take land from a small, 3rd world Palestine. Come on. I guess by your argument, the U.S. won the African slaves too, fair and square huh?
I am a deployed Medic a member of your military in Afghanistan...And I am very much not Arabic.
Would you like my Facebook account as proof?
I hope the anti-semites on this board are ACORN's subservient Obamatron zombies and assorted Muslims, because if it is a profile of America's younger generation, then America has become a very, very ugly place.
When you demonize your opposition you say little about them but large amounts about yourself.
its amazing how these liberals will always find excuses why the muslims are killing jews I wonder if i would kill the liberals with the excuse that they are taking all my tax money would that be justified? or only killing jews in the name of the so called occupation is justified?
Can't expect much more from a republican, who's party fought to keep slavery in America. And who gets their goats off on torturing brown people under the guise of national security.
Easy there partner, I'm a proud republican and a native of Peru. They don't call it the Democrat planation for nothing. Regards.
Yes only the Jews die from bullets... the massive shelling of Arab areas only angers the monsters... for they cannot die and do not die at the hands of Jews. We should try crosses on them!
apartheid in the biggest open air prison in the planet earth
israel should never return the territories they won i na war against thes mulims that are still commited to their destruction and annihilation
Netanyahu's calling on Palestinian leaders to publicly call for Israel’s right to exist is nothing more than a bully taunting “Say Uncle!” to his victim in the playground.
Guess you don't want peace. We already knew that.
Actually I do want peace. I also would like the actors involved in creating (hopefully creating) peace to recognize each other's human dignity. And I would call many of the people posting on this blog to do the same. This is a multi-faceted, complicated issue. Also, not all Arabs living in the Palestinian territories are Muslims. And finally not all Muslims, Jews, or even Christians for that matter, are extremists out for blood. We can make strides toward peace and justice only when we treat each other with dignity and respect.
- Change your thoughts and you change your world. byNorman Vincent Peale
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Palestinian changing their thoughts and:
*Recognize Israel Jewish state
*Build a life for Arabs refugees in Arab counties
(As Israel done for 850.000 Jew refugees from Arab countries)
*Provide Arabs citizens the same democratic life that Israeli Arabs share with the Jews
And the Palestinians will change their and Israeli world.
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Netanyahu speech represents Israel citizen's consensus.
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Peaty that Netanyahu didn’t include quotes articles from Hamas and Muslim brotherhood ideology, threatening all cultures worldwide not only Israel:
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Hamas
1:Under the Islam wing Islam,Christiannity,Judaism may coexist.
PEACE AND QUITE WOULD BE POSIBLE ONLY UNDER ISLAM WINGS.
2: Sharia goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force till the Day of Judgment.
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Muslim brotherhood
1: "Hitler didn’t finish the job-The Muslims will finish the Job"
Muslim brotherhood leader speech in Cairo before 1 million people
Broadcasted by BBC one month ago
2; "A Muslim can come closer to Allah by waging jihad against all non-Muslims,Christians,Jews, atheists, in every possible manner.
Dr. Ahmad 'Abd about Al-Walaa Wa'l-Bara
A Palistian state and peace wont ever happen. One or the other will have to be completly destroyed.
Why a Jewish sate? Are not there Christians, Muslims, Agnostics, et...? Palestinians, are just asking for a palestinan state, and some minority deny the "Jewish" state that is easy to understand. Are we crazy supporting this bigot in the congress?
Can you imagine South Africa proclaming the "White State of South Africa". Or renaming Arizona as "White Arizona"?
I understand there are a lot of Jews in the congress, but this must shot against them, come on people, be smart!
If you find this board scary, go to You Tube and enter Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of Will." We have seen these aberrant monsters slither out of the shadows of history before.
In order to obtain peace in the middle east and to have both the Israeli and Palestinian people live in harmony, there must be trust. The countries in Europe (mainly) live in peace with open borders because there is a basic trust between the people of each country, and their politicians. As we have seen SO may times in the past decades, it doesn't matter how peace is negotiated, or who does the negotiating, if the people can not trust each other in their own states and keep their borders basically open, we will never see peace in the middle east in ANYONES lifetime!
CONGRESS SHOULD SEEK "THE WAR POWERS ACT" BECAUSE EVERYTIME WE GIVE FINANCIAL OR MILITARY AID TO ISRAEL, IT IN TURN USES THE AID TO CONTINUE THEIR LONG GOING WAR AGAINST PALESTINIAN CITIZENS. I'M DEMANDING THAT JOHN BOEHNER WRITES UP A DRAFT.
.What an eloquent inspiring, speaker. How nice to have a leader who speaks from the heart and not a teleprompter. I found it interesting Code Pink, or whatever war protesters, managed to show up for his speech. These pseudo anti war protesters have all but vanished when Obama took office. Do these protesters think anyone believes there not a political organization?
propaganda101
Excellent speech. It drives home the basic point that only one side, very unfortunately, wants, and has always wanted peace – Israel. Radical Islam simply cannot tolerate non-Muslim rule in the area – or anywhere else on earth for that matter.
Tiny secular democratic Israel is only one front in radical Islam's war on Western values of absolute equality and intellectual and civil freedom for all.
Every time the word "Israel” is mentioned in the news, flocks of maggots and vultures coming out spitting biological hatred at the only humane and moral society amidst stone age fanatical mob. The context of the news doesn't matter, the keyword is Israel. The arguments are pointless. The supporters of Israel are on defensive trying to argue with historical facts and logical arguments. The non-Islamic enemies of Israel are just anti-Semitic and use Israel as pretext to express their anti Jewish feelings. The Islamic enemies of Israel are preprogrammed to hate the Jews and Israel by their "peaceful” religion and Quran. The Islamic Arab mentality is very simple – blood and murder. In Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere they killed 10 times more of their own people that all coalition forces. The enemies of Israel don’t care about so called "Palestinians", they use the conflict to feed their hatred. As of conflict, Golda Meir said “We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours. The peace will be only when Arabs will love their children more than they hate us".
It will never happen.
I can only hope that all of the Jews that voted for Obama are reading this board. 2012 may not arrive soon enough for America.
Honestly...this forum is so sad. What a pathetic group of ignorant people.
What a big smooth-spoken liar is Netanyahu, And how mutch the americans congres are hypocrite and racial,
Netanyahu claim that he want the peace While Israel don't want stop stealing the palestinians land and build settlments! don't want give more than 3 millions palestinians a country!
he talked that he need from palestinians before start peace to recognize israel as a jews state while there are 5 millions christians and muslims live behind israeli borders (occupation).
even UN and US didn't recognize israel as a jewish state,
Yes there are a good relation between israel and USA, both are very big racial country. alas
Which came first, the Chicken or the egg? The debate about Israel and Palestine at times falls down to who had the land first. As long as we don't not move beyond this question, the solution will be lost. Peace can be obtained only if those who seek peace stand up for it. Many ask how come Israel has no map with borders? Could it be that expansion is still the goal of some in Israel and as long as expansion is disguised as settlements do not expect peace to be achieved. And if the Palestine recognizes Israel without Israel defining a Palestine nation, Than will Israel be able to expand exponentially? The borders must be defined without recognition of either side because once one or the other is recognized than the borders could be a floating expansion of land. For the PM to request recognition, he and his nation must be able to open to recognizing a Palestinian nation. A UN resolution will do, Both nations recognize each others right to self govern with defined borders.
abama needs to have the courage to stand with israel agaisnt these anti semites that want to destroy israel and the jewish people
Israel Wants PEACE
Israel wants AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS and WEAPONS!
God Bless the u.s and Israel !!!
god has nothing to do with it. It's the almighty dollar, that's all.
I'm sure lot of the responders here are not native americans, but muslims and their nazi friends.
American and Christian here...you?
After reading of your paranoid antisemitic fantasies I have a serious doubt who and what you are...
Visiting many times in the United States, I know it's great people, familiar with their common views on the palestinian problem, so your "Christianity" looks like a turban or a hijab. The same about other "christian" liers in these comments.
I'm russian jewish, relax, "Chuck" or Said or whoever you are, jihad will not pass, everything is under control
I am a deployed member of your military (you are welcome) half Native and an Agnostic Atheist.
If you have ever dealt with a real Islamic Militant you would know they HATE Atheists. If they could they would kill us all. Christians are misguided but still followers of god. The Islamic militants think americans are all godless. Their real problem is with me
I often think man if Hard Core Christians and Muslims only knew how much they were like each other I would be off to a re-education camp the next day.
The good Prime Minister seems to suggest that that Palestine's nationality should not be created?
why not!
The world had Israel forced upon it!
No Israel's greatest problem is without doubt where does it stop, and with an immigration policy such as there's its no wonder.
All of us live in the historical era of 'the Nation State' for good or bad, that equates to land and borders and if peace is to run then these borders must be stable. To that there can be no stability if a Nation State declares that because you are of a specific religion your ok to come and settle within our borders as hospitable as that may seem its geographically not on.
Here is my concern. Officials in the United States are elected to serve the interests of people in the United States. With that in mind why is there such steadfast support for Israel and no debate on what our relationship with them should be. I'm not taking sides in the conflict, I'm just wondering what is the benefit to Americans. Our "unwavering" support of Israel has made us targets of Arab extremists, who see Israel and America as hand in hand. There is a large public outcry and debate in the media regarding spending money to benefit disenfranchised Americans, yet there is no debate on supporting Israel amongst the news channels or amongst politicians. American support for Israel is just automatic. It won't be debated amongst the talking heads on the news networks on the right, left, or in between. It won't be debated in Washington. Indeed Prez Obama broke the mode with his recent comments about borders. He was lambasted by members of both parties, including Harry Reid of all people! Here you have the president of our country being publicly undermined by our elected officials in favor of siding with a foreign dignitary. And this is just accepted without pause. Now I'm not saying I agree with Obama, but why can't it be debated instead of outright ridiculed and dismissed? I think with the problems that are inherent with our support for Israel there should be public debate on our support for them. As I said earlier it is ridiculous to scrutinize and blame the disenfranchised Americans for all of America's fiscal issues, desiring to slash and cut subsidies to aid them, while not even daring to hold a conversation over unwavering aid to a country who's friendship comes with risk to our security, and damages our reputation with some nations of the mid east. Why is it pro Israel lobbyist like AIPAC have such a hold on politicians? AIPAC recently said America should not be neutral or unbiased in the Israel/Palestine conflict but on the side of Israel. This group that wants us to put aside our nations ability to judge a situation without bias and come to a sensible conclusion is who our politicians, like Harry Reid, seek to please? Are our elected officials selling the better interests of the American people in exchange for campaign contributions? I would love to get replies to this post as I am interested in knowing why this is. As I said I'm not taking sides but as an American I would like to know why American politicians seem more devoted to Israel than American problems and interests at times. What is the benefit?
Because over 34% of senators are jews and over 42% of congress is jews!!
btw jews population in the usa is less then 1%..lol... see who is controling the us..?
It is very TRUE that the ARABS cannot embraces the ISRAELIS because of RELIGION and it is also VERY TRUE that
some RELIGIOUS LEADERS wanted WAR against the group who do not agree on how to WORSHIP OUR SUPREME CREATOR OF UNIVERSE and this a GOOD EXCUSE for GREED and the POWER to CONTROL HUMAN BEING'S MIND AND CAN LIVE LIKE A KING ..... SOME PEOPLES MINDS ARE BEING USED AND EXPLOITED......IN OTHER WORDS BEING BRAINWASH.. TO BE A BELIEVER IS TO BE A GOOD PERSON WHO CAN SEE EQUALITY OF ALL HUMAN BEINGS BECAUSE WE ALL SHARE THE SAME COLOR OF BLOOD .. RED. .. RELIGION SHOULD NOT CREATE CHAOS ON EARTH IT SHOULD REPRESENT GOODNESS.....
I have been listening to this Arab / Isreali crap for 30 years. I`m tired of it and want my tax dollars to no longer go to support this expierement on such a narrow sliver of land bordering the Mediterranean.
Americans are dieing because our support for arrogant, bullying Jews over there. This is not an anti-semetic statement.
Reality is that you can not treat Palestinians as 2nd class and have peace in Isreal. The US can always defeat the terrorist so we dont move out of fear. But why are we paying ANY price? Isreal brings ZERO benefit to the USA.
It appears that CNN is NOT pro Israel. I made a comment in favor of Israel and it immediately posted . When I looked back about 3 minutes later, my post had been taken out. That confirms my thoughts about CNN.
Then how did this comment make it?
Dont be crazy the Liberal elite communist nazi homosexual atheist Muuslam Asian/black/Mexican reading these posts has gone to take a piss... he'll be back shortly to delete the post.
My question: How long does Israel think it can keep 2 million Palestinian people living caged behind a wall?
Israel isn't keeping them behind a fence – they have the water on the other side...
What everyone needs to understand is that the Arabs value life differently. They kill and rape their own whenever it suits them. Honor killings, slavery, terrorism, child abuse – Read anything about how Arabs treat Arabs and you will get a better understanding of why Israel is only doing what they have to do to survive. Sure all you peace wanting Arabs – Israel is the bad guy – but look what's happening in every other Arab country in the world – poverty, rebellion, killing, murder, rape, etc. and always crying 'poor me' 'poor me' 'It's Israel's fault that we are such losers' If someone could name one free Arab country where the people are oppressed, tortured and raped for showing their legs at a beach – then talk about Israel – otherwise it sounds like you should not throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Dear,
Not every problem in the Arab countries is because of Israel and this is not "core issue" here, the jews took a land that they need to return end of the story, rape killing and haters exist all over the world and not only in the Arab countries abuse of women, children is one of North America's and Europe's biggest social issues. Have you been to Morocco? Tunisia? Lebanon? Egypt? I am sure you have not. will you be disappointed if I tell you that I am from the region, highly educated woman, swim in a bikini, and speak 3 fluent languages and very tolerant to people like you just brainwashes without any exposure to the rest of the world....what do you say to that?
Believe it or not some people in America and Europe do not hate Arabs/Muslims. Personally i have several friends who were born and raised in the mddle east and them immigrated to the US. Please do not think all Westerners automatically hate Arab/muslims or hold the ignorant beliefs that some of the bigots posting here hold.
as a jew thats not a zionist, I am really saddened to see the hatred directed against jews didnt we learn from history what anti semitism brought to the world.
I agree. Bigotry is vile and unacceptable.
Yeah the hate and bigotry is directed at Arabs then it seems to be ok with people.
I meant to say unless the hate and bigotry is directed at Arabs then it seems to be ok with people
I think you nailed it, I think many people do not like Zionists, everyone loves Jews who are not Zionists, just like everyone loves Muslims who are not terrorists.
Why does it have to turn into you hate jews, because we don't believe country's leaders really want peace and we want to stop sending our tax dollars to a foreign country?
I have no problem with Jews, just Netanyahu and $3B a year.
I have to agree with LA. Questioning blind support for Israel does not equate to bigotry. I am coming at this from the stand point of an American wondering why we risk our security and spend so much to aid Israel, without question. The same talking heads and politicians who decry "entitlements", on both sides of the aisle, are nowhere to be found when we should be questioning our support for Israel and the headache it brings us.
We just saw Netanyahu speak to congress. If I were an Arab watching that there is no way that I get the impression that the United States is unbiased in the Israel/Palestine debate. It destroys our credibility. That's me saying that as an American without the influence of extremists propaganda influencing and inciting me. We should be countering extremists propaganda against our country, not supporting it.
I certainly do not hate Jewish people. But please you must understand, take religion out of the picture for a moment. If a nation got away with doing what Israel does and defying international law for decades, they would've been invaded ages ago and this all would've been dealt with. Criticism of a country and their politics is not criticism of Judaism. Criticism of Zionism is not critisicm of Judaism. Most American Zionists are Protestant Fundamentalists, they're not even Jewish. AIPAC is made up of mostly these Fundies too, not Jewish people. But they do con wealthy Jews for campaign money (in support of other fundies). Jews have a natural tendency to help other Jews and because Israel is tied into their faith, they believe they are doing the right thing.
The facts on the ground are that Israel, the modern day nation and not referring to the Jewish people in Diaspora or the biblical land, but the country in the Middle East. The facts are that Israel is guilty of violating international law as a foreign occupier, bulding settlements in the occupied area, illegal annexation supported by nobody, drawing out the peace process, treachery and terrorism including faking terrorist events to draw allies in to war, covering up via PR campaigns war crimes in Gaza or the brutal attack on the civilian humanitarian flotilla in international water. There is more. Massive spy ring arrested in the wake of 9/11. Fox News was forced (by Israel) to remove an investigation on this where they admit that Israel had to have known for-knowledge of 9/11 given the facts they uncovered. Nothing conclusive because the rest of classified. The Lavon Affair and the Attack of the USS Liberty also come to mind as do stealing material from the USA to make nukes and selling military equipment to China.
This is bad, really bad. Nothing to do with Judaism. It's okay to have the 'never again' attitude and be an Israeli nationalist and protect your people but it's another thing to commit these above crimes and constantly get away with it because of the Fundies in the US congress wanting Jesus to return when all the Jews go to the Holy Land.
It's not antisemitism to criticize somebody for this activity.
Will you marry me?
"US Congress is the Occupied Territory of Israel" That sums up it all.
GOD IS REAL, HELP ISRAEL EXIST
NETANYAHU'S SPEECH IS ELOQUENTLY DUMB AND TASTELESS. SO DO YOU REALLY NEED A TERRORIST GROUP TO ANNOUNCE YOUR LEGITIMACY OR RECOGNIZE YOUR EXISTENCE IN ORDER TO BRING ABOUT PEACE? YOU CAN START THE PEACE PROCESS AND BRING ABOUT LASTING PEACE WHETHER HAMAS AND HESBOLLA RECOGNIZE YOU OR NOT. FURTHERMORE, ISRAEL DECIDES WHETHER ISRAEL EXISTS AND NO ONE ELASE. SO WHY NOT STOP MAKING EXCUSES AND GIVE THE PALESTINIAN BACK THEIR LAND AND BRING AN END TO THIS CONFLICT? YOU DO THAT AND I GUARANTEE THAT HAMAS AND HESBOLLA RECOGNIZES YOU. IF ISRAEL POSESSES CLASS, INTEGRITY, COMMON SENSE AND INTELLIGENCE, THEN WHY NOT LEAD BY EXAMPLE?
Here is a question. Why is it acceptable for Israel to maintain a concentration camp for the Palestinians. After all, isn't that what this fenced-in area is? The Israelis should be the last people on earth to resort to a concentration camp.
TO BE FAIR WHY CAN WE JUST RESPECT EACH OTHER ? REGARDLESS ON HOW WE WORSHIP..
The general problem of the modern open world with muslims is not about Israel and Palestine. In every corner where muslim population exists there is terror, innocent people suffering etc, etc... just endless mess. Are there jews in Bosnia (where muslims fighting with everybody else around), in Egypt (where arabs kill copts), in Pakistan (where muslims willing death to the entire state of India) and so on. The muslims' rule is: if you are foregn you have to die and they cant wait with that, they must (by Korahn) to make you die. It is a cancer on the world body and needed to be cut as soon as possible (if the world is willing to survive of cource). Thank you Israel for keeping fighting with this eval. Best of luck to you and your people.
Islamic Terror is a product of propaganda. You are just an Islamaphobic.
Turkey and the Turkish states of the former Soviet Union would be considered moderate Islam. No extremeists there. Saudi Arabi where the 9/11 hijackers came from are everybody's best friends (because of their oil) and the Saudis themselves have Jewish family history (fact, not lying).
When people think of Islamic terror they think of suicide bombers which for the most part is associated with Palestinians. These people were pushed to the brink of an oppressive existence. This isn't because of Islam, it's a final act of desperation. 9/11, lets be rational, do you really really believe that a bunch of radical extremists working out of caves in the desert could orchestrate something that even the CIA admit they couldn't have pulled off? Even the 9/11 commission admit that the juiciest bits of info was classified and there was most certainly a foreign agent behind it all. Hint: the foreign agent is most likely between egypt, the west bank, jordan, syria, lebanon, and gaza if you catch my drift. There is a ton of proof that they knew all about it and considering they're responsible for the Beirut barracks bombs nobody would put it past them. Who got caught after 9/11 with van bombs and video of the sears tower? Yep Israel. Who got caught in the Mexican Congress with explosives? Israel. Who said Al Qaeda was in Gaza training Hamas and a week later got arrested by Hamas? Israel dressed like 'Al Qaeda".
Not Islamic terror. There is not such thing. Terror is subjective. Freedom fighters aren't terrorists. America and Israel meet the definition of terrorism depending on your viewpoint. Religious extreminities exist in all religions. Israelis make fun of Muslims for pray toward Mecca when they Pray toward the Temple Mount themselves and also do that weird back and forth thing when they pray. Everybody is a hypocrite.
I'm guessing you are a Protestant Fundy or a Mormon or some sort of God-Fearing and Jesus loving American. The country is full of them once you leave major metro areas (except DC where all the politicians are fundies)
Israel will not go back to 1967 border
Israel will not stop buildings settlements.
Israel will keep the whole of Jerusalem. No East Jerusalem for Palestinians.
Israel will not recognize th e right of return of Palestnian refugees.
What are you inviting the Palestinians to the table to talk about?!!
Israelis,you just want to have your cake and eat it too!!
I can't speak for Israel, but I'd trade all that in a heartbeat if in return there would everlasting peace. Think it's possible?
becouse Israel is the 51 state, and thats why we keep giving the tax money abd millity hardwere get it right.
I wish Mr. Netanyahu could run for President of the United States.He is true to the values of Israel.If only Obama could be that true to our values and our constitution.Obama has sworn to uphold and defend our constitution but in reality he's trying to destroy it.Please don't ever back down Mr. netanyahu,Stand up tall for your country.
Pity, that his country disagrees with him. Netanyahoo represents the looney right, just like you. Now I see why you love him. He is just like Cheney. A liar and deceiver.
"He is true to the values of Israel." ????
I want a President that is true to the values of the United States of America! Not Israel!!
Obama isn't true to our values? Are you kidding? He's the only one with the guts to step up and say maybe we should go about this Israel/Palestine business in a logical manner instead of blindly obeying the PM of Israel to the detriment of OUR nation, as cowardly politicians across party lines have done, which is a detriment to the i
NO KIDDING!!!!!I think the young Israelis should demonstrate against their government and demand to have peace for now and for the next generations. To steal land is a sin in every corner of the world and justice will prevail at the end of the world. Got it? Go study history and geography. Dig it?
Generally an Israeli supporter. But this speech was full of gobbledygook, rehashed rhetoric, same old fear mongering without any new ideas, bold ideas on moving forward towards peace and coexistence. Very disappointed with the content and delivery and the ongoing responses to questions from Mark Regev. Did not deserve the applause afforded by a republican house.
IN UNITED STATES ALL KINDS ALL NATIONALITY AND RELIGION CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AND ALL OCCUPIED THIS LAND AND CREATED A GOOD NATION WHO CREATED FREEDOM AND EQUALITY TO ALL HUMAN BEINGS EVEN IF YOU ARE A BELIEVER OR NOT... THAT IS RESPECT...IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY TO ALL NATIONS .. IS TO HELP EACH OTHER TO CREATE HARMONY...
The master plan for the Islamic terror organization al Qaeda that calls for worldwide Islamic domination is right on schedule but it will not come about according to Bible prophecy.
According to published reports, the master plan for the world domination by al Qaeda is right on schedule. We're now watching phase 4 of the seven stage plan taking place with the street demonstrators in the Arab capitals in the Middle East leading the way for the downfall of hated Arab leaders, basically the moderate Arab leaders that are willing to coexist with a Jewish state in the Middle East. The phase 4 plan also calls for an attack on oil supplies and the United States economy. Already it is evidenced that the plan has been effective in Tunisia and Egypt with Saudi Arabia and Jordan to be the next targets. Ironically the West is downplaying these threats to take over the world by the Islamists.
A student of Bible prophecy, however, would recognize what is happening as the prewritten history recorded over 2500 years ago by the ancient Jewish prophets. Joel wrote that the largest military might ever formed on the earth will take place in the last days. It will be a massive Moslem militia according to Joel 2:1-4. Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Jeremiah all add additional information to the end times scenario that we can see unfolding right now. Ezekiel, however, reveals that the Moslem militia will not form this desired caliphate, a global dominion. Jesus will intercede from heaven and destroy the al Qaeda forces (Ezekiel 38:18-39:6). Bible prophecy will be fulfilled.
IN UNITED STATES ALL KINDS ALL NATIONALITY AND RELIGION CAME TO THIS COUNTRY AND ALL OCCUPIED THIS LAND AND CREATED A GOOD NATION WHO CREATED FREEDOM AND EQUALITY TO ALL HUMAN BEINGS EVEN IF YOU ARE A BELIEVER OR NOT... THAT IS RESPECT...IT SHOULD BE THAT WAY TO ALL NATIONS .. IS TO HELP EACH OTHER TO CREATE HARMONY..
The CNN post-a-comment peace accord: We both did awful things to each other. You'll live there. I'll live here. I won't kill you; you don't kill me. Deal? Ok. Let's enjoy some falafels and watch the tourist money pour in. Shalom. Salem.
Or we could just subject our kids to missile launches, bombings, and targeted killings.
The arbitrary boundaries determined by the world powers in the early 20th century, together with the guilt-ridden world's support for a state for Israel after WWII have created most of the problems faced in the Middle East.
If the Palestinians had been (and were today) treated humanely and fairly, this controversy would be solved. The U.S. should no longer take sides and provide such unequal support in this issue.
No foriegn leader should ever address the United States Congress.
That should be hallowed ground reserved only for America First business.
Who approved this visit?
unless they our one of our states in the united states witch Israel thinks it is the 51 state
LOL just goes to show how silly the "birther" distraction really was. Who says you need to insert a foreign agent into the presidency to control US policy? All you need is a bunch of good ol' American bred politicians willing to sellout for campaign contributions.
Netanyahu may say with his mouth that he is friends with the USA – but I'm an American, and I'm no friend of Israel.
When Netanyahu says 'jump', the US asks 'how high?'
Sometimes I wonder who's running my country, and in whose interest – that of American citizens, or that of Israelis? . I say, let them sort their own problems, and we will deal with our problems too. Time to grow up, Israel.
4 billion US$, year after year, that could be spent in a more useful way over here, instead of subsidizing Israel. It's not as if we can't use the money ourselves, is it? And then to hear this convicted criminal Netanyahu telling our congressmen, in our temple of democracy, what we should and shouldn't do regarding international affairs is contemptuous beyond belief.
Any claims that "Israel is our only ally in the Middle East! ZOMG!" are silly in the extreme – before Israel the USA had no enemies in the Middle East
But the time you would realize why you need and ally in the middle east it will be too late..
Israel is the only hope for a pluralist, liberal and democratic none-fundamentalist middle east
Taking everything you just said at face value, does the benefit of establishing that relationship outweigh the costs in terms of money and painting a target on ourselves? Also should we reevaluate how vital Israel is to our interests in light of the Arab Spring?
Israel is not an ally to the US – it is a burden.
Without Israel, we'd have a very mutually beneficially customer-supplier relationship with the oil producing countries in the Middle East, who'd happily accept our money in trade for oil, with both partners mutually respecting eachother. Fair trade. Not handouts and subsidies, as we do with Israel.
The arbitrary boundaries set up by the world powers early in the 20th century, together with the support for a Jewish state because of the world's guilt after WWII are the causes for most of the problems in the region today. If the Palestinians had been (and were today) treated humanely and fairly, the controversy would be solved. The U.S. needs to stop providing such one-sided financial and political support.
WHY EXPLOIT RELIGIOUS BELIEF TO CREATE A WAR ? THAT IS GREED ...WHOEVER WROTE THOSE RELIGIOUS BOOKS WANTED CHAOS ON EARTH.
Here is my concern. Officials in the United States are elected to serve the interests of people in the United States. With that in mind why is there such steadfast support for Israel and no debate on what our relationship with them should be. I'm not taking sides in the conflict, I'm just wondering what is the benefit to Americans. Our "unwavering" support of Israel has made us targets of Arab extremists, who see Israel and America as hand in hand. There is a large public outcry and debate in the media regarding spending money to benefit disenfranchised Americans, yet there is no debate on supporting Israel amongst the news channels or amongst politicians. American support for Israel is just automatic. It won't be debated amongst the talking heads on the news networks on the right, left, or in between. It won't be debated in Washington. Indeed Prez Obama broke the mode with his recent comments about borders. He was lambasted by members of both parties, including Harry Reid of all people! Here you have the president of our country being publicly undermined by our elected officials in favor of siding with a foreign dignitary. And this is just accepted without pause. Now I'm not saying I agree with Obama, but why can't it be debated instead of outright ridiculed and dismissed? I think with the problems that are inherent with our support for Israel there should be public debate on our support for them. As I said earlier it is ridiculous to scrutinize and blame the disenfranchised Americans for all of America's fiscal issues, desiring to slash and cut subsidies to aid them, while not even daring to hold a conversation over unwavering aid to a country who's friendship comes with risk to our security, and damages our reputation with some nations of the mid east. Why is it pro Israel lobbyist like AIPAC have such a hold on politicians? AIPAC recently said America should not be neutral or unbiased in the Israel/Palestine conflict but on the side of Israel. This group that wants us to put aside our nations ability to judge a situation without bias and come to a sensible conclusion is who our politicians, like Harry Reid, seek to please? Are our elected officials selling the better interests of the American people in exchange for campaign contributions? I would love to get replies to this post as I am interested in knowing why this is. As I said I'm not taking sides but as an American I would like to know why American politicians seem more devoted to Israel than Amer
*America?
Q: How do we protect the US from dual citizenship immigrants that infiltrate our government as foreign agents acting in the best interest of another country over ours? How do we prevent them from corrupting congress?
If the vast majority of opinions expressed by the posters here are a reflection of what most Americans think regarding this issue, then our politicians are seriously out of lockstep with what it is we elected them to do.
Q: How do we protect the US from dual citi zenship immigrants that infiltrate our government as fore ign agents acting in the best interest of another country over ours?
How do we prevent them from corrupting congress?
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israel took too much from the US. Jewish people were very dishonest with the American people. Not our friend.
Look I'm not about people coming on here and stereotyping the jewish people, and throwing out blanket statements such as Jewish people aren't our friends. With that said I do wonder why it is just an automatic given that the NATION of Israel is regarded as a friend with no real explanation for this given to the American public.
As a Christian, it pains me in my assessment of the ordeal, because I feel that part of America's unwavering support can be attributed to theological misunderstanding. Passages in Genesis are hearkened to in churches, and many Christians come out believing that to love God is to love Israel and the Israelis. That is true, but not the complete truth.
To love God is to love the Israelis, the Palestinians, the Pakistanis, the Chinese, the Ethiopians, the Germans, the Swedes, the Mexicans, the Thais, the Argentinians and so on and so forth...And not only to love other people, but to be on the side of justice and truth. God, in the Old Testament, cared deeply for the nation of Israel, but he did not encourage every single thing they did, but corrected them when they needed it.
Here to be on the side of justice and truth is to recognize that the way Israeli policy is towards the Palestinians is NOT JUST. To allow for settlements on land where Palestinians have resided for many years, to provide limited protection from settler harassment, to take West Bank water resources and sell water back to Palestinians at a higher price than to Israelis, to allow for Arab young pupils to receive different treatment than Jewish young pupils, to limit the movement of certain people based on ethnic ties...these are all unjust policies. (For those interested in my sources, I recommend the Israeli organization B'Tselem, Human Rights Watch, and the film "God on Our Side.")
Yes, Israel should be a secure and safe place for its citizens. But there is no need to treat Arabs like second-class citizens with laws that do nothing for national security; only existing to serve a preferred populace. This is apartheid. America should not blindly support this, but call Israel to accountability. The Jewish history that many in Israel are passionate about suggests Israel to act as a light to the nations...Israel needs to heed this.
I have friends on both the Israeli side and the Palestinian side, and you better believe that people on both sides want to be able to have families, go to work, get an education, and have a home IN PEACE.
My hope is one day that all young and old Israelis and Arabs will say no more to fear-mongering, violence, and abuse, and instead live in mutual appreciation for the rich history, intelligence, and beauty of the other. If you hope for the same, whether Israeli, Palestinian, or American, please speak out. And maybe the voice of reason will finally win out.
As a fellow Christian I agree. I fear there are American politicians who use Christianity to justify blind loyalty to Israel. In reality Israel has gone against God many times, according to the old testament alone, a book which both faiths have in common. Using the excuse of we were just following your chosen people is not going to be an acceptable excuse.
I been following Bibi’s speech this guy seems out of control he is bad for Isreal bad for peace, somebody need to calm him down, It is clear to any average mind America as we know it is owned and run by the Jew , I cannot understand why Natanyahu every time he comes to the USA he have to lecture congress, this does not happen in any other country only in America also his behaviour last Thursday against the president of the united states is unacceptable no respect, the American public need to stand up to Natanyahu and his puppets, somebody should tell him F out of USA immediately, it is humiliating to see all these American politician bow to Israel, it seems Israel is running the American political landscape every American politicians are afraid to speak anything against Israel that is a sad thing for the free world . The Jewish lobby group controls all the politicians, have you seen all the prominent politicians are running to speak at the AIPAC to kiss Israel ass, this lobby group should not even be allowed to have so much power in American politics, The media, the American politics, the financial, entertainment industries all run by the Jewish and America is another country within Israel they use religion, fake democracy to achieve their goal, Israel have the most racist system that is out there in 21 century, The North African Jews that immigrated from Morocco to Israel have a different label in their status than those who immigrate from east Europe this does not seem to me a real democracy, America need to wake up we need to speak with one clear voice we need to say to Natanyahu to go F himself .
@America first, it doesn't matter who approved it happened, suck it up!
I cannot believe the gist of the comments on this page. It truly is appalling. Most of those who have written their vitriolic remarks, have no conception of reality or understanding of what is really happening in Israel and the Arab states. You say we should not give money to Israel, yet say nothing of the money given to the other Arab states (principally Saudi Arabia). I'd like to know where you get the idea that Israel is murdering Christians and Arabs in Israel. Perhaps if you visited Israel, you would better understand what is happening there. Since you seem to think that liberals and pro-Obama people are against Israel and pro-Palestinian, I want to assure you that I am a liberal and pro-Obama. I am not against the Palestinian people, but am opposed to those who presume to govern them. They and most of the Arab governments promote hatred of Israel to the detriment of their people's own self-interest because that way they can keep their own people united in ignorance by giving them an enemy they can hate and blame for all their troubles. I would suggest most of the anti-Israel people spouting their ignorance on this page, read some of the books about the true conflict, beginning with the psychological, sociological and historical books written before 1948 and after 1967 and 1974.
@Ellen and O. Actually I can't believe the gist of the comments in that most people seem to be sticking to the politics of this issue, which they should. I feared, this being the internet and all, that these posts would be bogged down by bigotry. I haven't read all the posts but I've read a bunch and posted some as well. Scroll up a bit and you'll see that when I did catch someone stepping out of line I noted so. Yet I don't understand why we have such blind support for Israel. Please explain to me why it is we support Israel with no public debate on the issue at our own expense. As a nation why is it in our interests? Explain why there is such an outcry against the poor in this country sucking up tax dollars. Politicians and talking heads rail against entitlements, "welfare queens", immigrants, and just about anything else that they can cut that would benefit people over here, but you won't find public debate on support for Israel outside of a discussion on the net. Do you think that's right? Look at the politicians lining up to explain themselves to Israel's lobbying group. How about an explanation to the American public about why we should be taking the stance we are? This support is automatic and not even left up to public debate. Obama had the nerve to slightly deviate from Israel's agenda and he is publicly vilified by politicians from both sides of the aisle, including Harry Reid, while Israel's PM is allowed to address OUR congress and gets standing ovations. Ask yourself this, if you can't believe the gist of these comments, maybe these posters represent the American public and if so, why is it our politicians agenda is different than the people they represent?
Jay14,
Brownie points for this particular post.
One other thing. I'm sure if you click on an article about Saudi Arabia or Pakistan you'll find comments questioning why we provide them with aid. If the article is about a certain country, the corresponding comments will likely be about that country. Go Figure!
Ellen,
For you reference, please see below FACTS. Could you please explain the gap? Thanks.
Israel
- Economic Aid $400 million
- Military Aid $2.78 billion
- Total Aid package for 2010 $3.18 billion
- Per Capita as of 2010 (estimated) $29,500
Palestine
- Total Aid package for 2007 $69 million
- recent data not published.
- Per Capita as of 2008 (estimated) $2,900
By the way, US provides aid to two other Arab/Muslim countries, Egypt and Pakistan. Please direct me where you found statistics on US aid to Saudi Arabia. And please don't confuse aid with trade, etc...
Stick to the facts lady.
@ellen, well said!
It's sounds as if the congress just elected a new President named Netanyahu. They gave him more standing ovations and applause then any real President I've seen. It looks real bad for the Palestinian aspirations.
@canuck, sorry, it is what it is
Yes it is sorry when politicians exhibit so little respect for the office of OUR president that they interrupt his speech by screaming things like you lie, but allow a foreign dignitary to address them and give unquestioning support and applause.
sorry to you to jay
when I was in college on long island, getting a political science degree, my international relations professor was an isreali Arab.
I helped him tune up his olds '88 and we had a few beers. he then told me he was personally one of the guys that blew up the King David hotel. he was telling the truth, you know how one can tell....
ML, you seem to be knowledgeable, none of the anti Semites know any of the real facts.
I remember when that family, and child, were brutally killed. isn't an isreali soldier still being held captive. love to see the Isreali krav maga trained special forces rescue him.
this issue is very convoluted, and emotion clouds reason. I know that after WWII, the allies offered both Jewish and Palestinians lands, isreal accepted all we had to offer, and the Arabs said 'go away western infidels'.
so, that's why isreal has incredible orchards in the former desert, and the palestinians still live in refugee camps.
I recommend the book 'vengeance' by George Jonas. the movie 'munich' was based on it. you probably know it.
let Eric Bana and Daniel Craig back in there to solve some problems.
oh yeah..careful answering your cell phones
hammas.
What a bald faced liar you appear to be.
Yes, he was so intimate with you to let you in on his world shattering admission.. I bet your rabbi was shocked .
HERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO THE MUSLIM WORLD... EACH YEAR MILLIONS OF MUSLIMS COME TO MECCA TO UNITE, SHOW SOLODARITY AND PRAY. VERY WELL. BUT WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING TO HELP THE PALESTINIANS GET A HOMELAND? NOTHING! SO WHAT DO YOU REALLY PRAY FOR AND TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU COME TO MECCA? HEY PEOPLE OF THE MUSLIM WORLD, TAKE THIS VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO YOUR LEADERS TOMORROW AND WATCH THE PALESTIANIANS GET A HOMELAND OVERNIGHT. GO TELL YOUR LEADERS TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE ARAB UNION IN THE COMING DAYS AND HAVE A UNANAMOUS VOTE WITH SAUDI ARABIA, IRAQ, IRAN, QUAIT, DUBAI AND ALL THE OIL RICH NATIONS IN THE MIDDLE EAST TO HAULT IMMEDIATE PRODUCTION AND EXPORT OF THEIR OIL TO THE EUROPEN AND WESTERN ECONOMIES THAT ARE DEPENDENT ON THE OIL FOR THEIR SURVIVAL. THEN SIT BACK AND WATCH HOW THESE COUNTRIES COME RUNNING TO THE UNITED NATIONS TOMORROW TO GIVE THE PALESTINIANS THEIR LAND BACK. LET'S FACE IT, IF YOU ARABS AND MUSLIMS WANT TO CHALLENGE THE WESTERN WORLD, YOU MUST FIRST OF ALL THINK THE WAY THAT THEY DO. RADICAL EXTREMIST GROUPS HAVE TRIED VIOLENCE BUT VIOLENCE BREEDS CONTEMPT AND MORE VIOLENCE AND THE END RESULT IS NO RESULT AT ALL. BUT IF YOU WERE TO USE A LITTLE UNTUITY AND COMMON SENSE AND USE AN ECONOMIC SHUTDOWN OF GLOBAL OIL EXPORT, i GUARANTEE IT WOULD WORK. AS THEY SAY, IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED, TRY AGAIN. THIS STRATEGY IS GUARANTEE TO WORK 100%. NOW GO TELL IT TO YOUR LEADERS AND ENJOY THE SHOW.
Really? You think withholding oil from the United States is a good idea? Let's just say we would come and TAKE OUR OIL FROM YOU. and there is NOTHING you could do about it.
did you really think your idea was so great that it needed to be capitalized and handed to "all the leaders of the muslim world"????? hahaha I don't even know what to say about you
Okay, I feel for you when you ask if anyone would want to live under threat trying to defend 9 miles (though Obama also advocated land swaps) but how do you then turn around and expect the Palestinians to live next to their old enemy who is armed, and is widely suspected of secretly having nuclear weapons?!?
I forgot to add to the above post that Israel expects them to demilitarize.
O, If that is what it is, then why the pretense all these years and to whose benifit. The fact remains to the outside world it looks like Israel is in charge of America's foreign policy.
Peace must be basd on negotiations.. BS.. Ithat stalls the process.
It has to be based on agreement . The leadership in Israel does not want any agreements
This running blog has been a Godsend of enlightenment for Jewish voters and their friends. Besides the usual Islamo-fascists, there is obviously a rabid, dedicated group of anti-semites on the left who are bent upon enabling the destruction of Israel. If you want to see the destruction of Israel in your lifetime, vote for Obama.
You on a FUD compaign? Your comment doesn't make much sense otherwise.
Me, I'll vote for Obama again soon, whom I expect to act in the best interest of American citizens – not that of Israeli foreigners!
What happens to Israel is no business of mine – Israel is a soverign nation that can take care of itself. If it can't, that's their problem, not that of Americans. If everybody minded his own business (including mr. Netanyahu) the world would be a much better place.
Let's start by channeling the 3.5 billion US$ (year after year after year) into our own economy, instead of subsidizing Israel.
But hey, if you love Israel so much, nobody's stopping you from moving there, you know....
To mg: just for your info, massacres that Israel did are not countable in the history book, talking about children, women, and old people look for sabra and shAtilla, kana, tal alza3tar in Lebanon, wait let's go back to 1948 when palestinians: Muslims, Christians, and Jews were living in peace and Jews came and slatered Palestinians in their towns and you kicked them out by force with some western allies. Don't ever forget than hitler tought u how to be terrorists and killers, if something terrible happened to the Jews in the world the palestinains has nothing to do with it and their land shouldn't be the paying price for the Jews. Enough ia enough, the Jews need to make up their mind, either peace or not, we are tired of the bs and listening to lies. I know the occupiers (known Israelis) are powerful but I don't think they can stop millions walking from Egypt, Jordan, syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. Let's be honest the old days are different and changed now, most of the Arabic leaders and traders are going away, the true and good leaders are coming soon. You guys need to watch because guns and bombs are not scary anymore, we will walk and free Palestine if the world will not be fair to us anymore.
lots of Jew haters in the crowd. To me most of you sound like old angry racist fools fighting over problems you have little knowledge of.
Most of us sound like angry racist fools? Actually I think most of us are protesting against Israel, as a nation, having such a heavy influence on our elected officials. Most of us have not taken this as an opportunity to bash Jewish people. We are criticising the nation's involvement with ours. If you can't differentiate between criticism of Israel the nation from a referendum on Jewish people as a whole then please divorce yourself from the conversation rather than ignorantly labeling "most" people posting disagreement with Israel's policies.
You claim people are ignorant regarding Israel. Well that is the problem isn't it? Our elected officials entrench us firmly on the side of Israel, support Israel, throw money at Israel, agree with Israel to go against Palestinian statehood at the U.N., without feeling the need to keep the american people apprised of how the benefits of throwing our support so fully behind Israel outweigh the costs. The problem is that our elected leaders are more interested in reporting and consulting with Israels lobbying group than the people they are sworn to serve and represent the will of.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html
Assad's is fighting for his survival and will continue doing what he does best, down to the last Syrian citizen, if need be.
Life is extremely cheap in the Arab world to begin with, when father's kill their daughter's or/and brothers kill their sister's and call them 'honor killings' merely on the assumption of a relationship with the opposite gender and get away with it, openly than what does one expect from a brutal dictator and his regime.
If all the Arab Spring accomplishes are a different bunch of Ruler's with these same evil archaic laws remaining in place and continuing, then I'm afraid to say, all the people who've paid with their lives in all the uprisings across the Arab world, were in vain.
Assad's is fighting for his survival and will continue doing what he does best, down to the last Syrian citizen, if need be.
Life is extremely cheap in the Arab world to begin with, when father's kill their daughter's or/and brothers kill their sister's and call them 'honor killings' merely on the assumption of a relationship with the opposite gender and get away with it, openly than what does one expect from a brutal dictator and his regime..
If all the Arab Spring accomplishes are a different bunch of Ruler's with these same evil archaic laws remaining in place and continuing, then I'm afraid to say, all the people who've paid with their lives in all the uprisings across the Arab world, were in vain.
Israel cannot give up any of its land. The following borders of Israel were given by G-d in the Holy Scriptures in Joshua chapter 1 verse 4, when the LORD said, "From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun, shall be your coast." Giving away the land could incur the anger of G-d.
Maria,
Just so that I understand what you are saying, your argument here is that Israel belongs to Jewish people because it is written so in the Bible. Correct? Hmm, so that means if I write a book that says all of Unites States belongs to Russia and say that the book was written by God, then Americans should fold their tents and go live someplace else? I am sorry, kind of confused. By the way, you should go back and REREAD the book! You CLEARLY have no clue what you are saying, you are just picking at passages that satisfy your agenda! Which is typical of radicals. How about the following passages in the book that you are quoting, oh and these are from the Old Testament, so you can’t say it’s not the Jewish version.
1 Chronicles 22:8 – You have fought many wars...and are not to build a house for my Name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in my sight. But you will have a son who will be a man of peace!
Hopefully the next few generation of Israelis understand this!
Psalms 11:5 – The soul of the Lord hates…those who love violence.
Yeah, this also means indiscriminant shelling of residential Palestinian areas. Unless of course there is something in those words that specifically justifies this.
Psalms 34:14 – Turn from evil, do good, seek peace and pursue it.
I don’t think this was meant to be pursued with a sword
Ecclesiastes 9:18 – Wisdom is better than weapons of war.
Wow, really?
Ezra 8:22 – I was ashamed to ask the king for soldiers to protect us
Clearly not these days. Sorry Ezra your offspring do not share your feelings on this point.
Micah 4:3 – One who is to rule in Israel shall be the one of peace.
Really? How is that so now?
I got plenty more where this came from. So PLEASE..STOP quoting the Bible, you have yet to READ and UNDERSTAND what it’s about! Sick and tired of idiocy.
Congress were so hypocritical in that speech. It shows how much needs to be changed in Washington even if they don't agree with the PM being hypocritical is not acceptable
First, all the muslims are not Osama Ben Laden.
second, Islam recognizes Jesus, not Torah.
The zionist are using the same propaganda used by the german to destroy muslim image.
If you want to know more about Israel , nobody is well informed than : Avraham Burg. Avraham Burg was a pillar of the Israeli establishment . Burg was a blue-chip member of that same Zionist establishment. His new book is causing a sensation and anger. Read it an make your own judgement:
The Holocaust Is Over; We Must Rise From its Ashes
The title of the book : The Holocaust Is Over; We Must Rise From its Ashes
You can find it on Amazon
And thank you to Fox News for spreading hatred all over our country and in the world!
To DM ; WELL PUT!
The real “nakba,” which is the story of the Arab apartheid. Tens of millions, among them Jews, suffered from the “nakba,” which included dispossession, expulsion and displacement. Only the Palestinians remained refugees because they were treated to abuse and oppression by the Arab countries. Below is the story of the real “nakba”
In 1959, the Arab League passed Resolution 1457, which states as follows: “The Arab countries will not grant citizenship to applicants of Palestinian origin in order to prevent their assimilation into the host countries.” That is a stunning resolution, which was diametrically opposed to international norms in everything pertaining to refugees in those years, particularly in that decade. The story began, of course, in 1948, when the Palestinian “nakba” occurred. It was also the beginning of every discussion on the Arab-Israeli conflict, with the blame heaped on Israel, because it expelled the refugees, turning them into miserable wretches. This lie went public through academe and the media dealing with the issue.
In previous articles on the issue of the Palestinians, we explained that there is nothing special about the Israeli Arab conflict. First, the Arab countries refused to accept the proposal of partition and they launched a war of annihilation against the State of Israel which had barely been established. All precedents in this matter showed that the party that starts the war – and with a declaration of annihilation, yet – pays a price for it. Second, this entails a population exchange: indeed, between 550,000 and 710,000 Arabs (the most precise calculation is that of Prof. Ephraim Karash, who calculated and found that their number ranges between 583,000 and 609,000). Most of them fled, a minority were expelled because of the war and a larger number of about 850,000 Jews were expelled or fled from Arab countries ( the “Jewish nakba”). Third, the Palestinians are not alone in this story. Population exchanges and expulsions were the norm at that time. They occurred in dozens of other conflict points, and about 52 million people experienced dispossession, expulsion and uprooting (”And the World is lying”). And fourth, in all the population exchange precedents that occurred during or at the end of an armed conflict, or on the backdrop of the establishment of a national entity, or the disintegration of a multinational state and the establishment of a national entity – there was no return of refugees to the previous region, which had turned into a new national state. The displaced persons and the refugees, with almost no exceptions, found sanctuary in the place in which they joined a population with a similar background: the ethnic Germans who wore expelled from Central and Eastern Europe assimilated in Germany, the Hungarian refugees from Czechoslovakia and other places found sanctuary in Hungary, the Ukrainians who were expelled from Poland found sanctuary in Ukraine, and so forth. In this sense, the affinity between the Arabs who originated in mandatory Palestine and their neighbors in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, was similar or even greater than the affinity between many ethnic Germans and their country of origin in Germany, sometimes after a disconnect of many generations.
Only the Arab states acted completely differently from the rest of the world. They crushed the refugees despite the fact that they were their coreligionists and members of the Arab nation. They instituted a régime of apartheid to all intents and purposes. So we must remember that the “nakba” was not caused by the actual dispossession, which had also been experienced by tens of millions of others. The “nakba” is the story of the apartheid and abuse suffered by the Arab refugees (it was only later that they became “Palestinians”) in Arab countries.
Egypt:
Throughout many eras, there was no real distinction between the inhabitants of Egypt and the inhabitants of the coastal plain. Both were Muslims, Arabs, who lived under Ottoman rule. According to the researcher Oroub El-Abed, commercial ties, mutual migration and intermarriage between the two groups was commonplace. Many of the residents of Jaffa were defined as Egyptians because they arrived in many waves, like the wave of immigration to Jaffa during the rule of Muhammad Ali and his son over many parts of the coastal plain. Inhabitants of the Ottoman Empire, which became mandatory Palestine, did not have an ethnic or religious identity that differed from that of the Egyptian Arabs.
Various records from the end of 1949 show that 202,000 refugees went to the Gaza Strip, primarily from Jaffa, Beer Sheva and Majdal (Ashkelon). That number may be exaggerated because the local poor also joined the list of aid recipients. The refugees went to the place where they were part of the majority group from all standpoints: ethnic, national and religious. Egypt, however, did not think so. At first, back in September 1948, a “government of all Palestine” was established, headed by Ahmad al-Baki. However, it was an organization under Egyptian auspices due to the rivalry with Jordan. The ostensible Palestinian government gave up the ghost after a decade.
What happened to the people in the Gaza Strip? How did the Egyptians treat them? Strangely, there is almost no research dealing with those days. But it is a bit difficult to hide that not so distant past. The Gaza Strip became a closed camp. It became almost impossible to leave Gaza. Severe restrictions were imposed on the Gazans (the originals and the refugees) in everything connected with employment, education and other matters. Every night there was a curfew until dawn the next day. There was only one matter in which the Egyptians assisted to the best of its ability: the school books contained serious incitement against Jews. Already in 1950, Egypt notified the UN that “due to the population crowding,” it would not be possible to assist the Palestinians by resettling them. That was a dubious excuse. Egypt thwarted the UN proposal to resettle 150,000 refugees in Libya. Many of the refugees who had fled in the earlier stages and were within Egypt were also forced to move to the giant concentration camp that was forming in the Gaza Strip. In effect, all the settlement arrangements proposed for resettling the refugees were blocked by the Arab countries.
Despite the absolute isolation, there is testimony about what happened in the Gaza Strip during those years. The important American journalist Martha Gellhorn paid a visit to the refugee camps in 1961. She also went to the Gaza Strip. It wasn’t simple. Gellhorn described the bureaucratic ordeal involved in obtaining an entry permit to the Gaza Strip and the days of waiting in Cairo. She also described the “sharp contrast between the amiability of the clerks, and the anti-Semitic propaganda that blossomed in Cairo.” “The Gaza Strip is not a hole,” Gellhorn stated, “but rather one big prison. The Egyptian government and is the warden.” She described a harsh military régime with all the elite of the Gaza Strip expressing enthusiastically pro-Nasser positions. Thus, for example, “For 13 years (1948-1961) only 300 refugees managed to obtain temporary exit visas.” The only thing that the Egyptians gave the Palestinians was hate propaganda.
That is not the only testimony. In 1966, a Saudi newspaper published a letter by one of the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip:
“I would be happy if the Gaza Strip would be conquered by Israel. At least that way we would know that the one violating our honor, hurting us and tormenting us – would be the Zionist oppressor, Ben Gurion, and not an Arab brother whose name is Abdel Nasser. The Jews under Hitler did not suffer the way we are suffering under Nasser. In order to go to Cairo or Alexandria or other cities, we have to go through an ordeal.”
Radio Jedda in Saudi Arabia broadcast the following:
“We are aware of the laws that prohibit Palestinians from working in Egypt. We have to ask Cairo, what is the Iron Curtain that Abdel Nasser and his gang have raised around the Gaza Strip and the refugees? The military governor in Gaza has prohibited every Arab from traveling to Cairo without a military permit, which is valid for only 24 hours. Imagine, Arabs, how Nasser, who claims to be the pioneer of Arab nationalism, treats the wretched Arabs of Gaza, who are starving to death while the military governor and his officers enjoy the riches in the Gaza Strip.”
Even assuming that those were exaggerated descriptions in the struggle between Saudi Arabia and Nasser, we are still left with an oppressive régime of two decades. And it is worth noting another fact – when Israel arrived in the Gaza Strip, the life expectancy there was 48 years of age. After a little over two decades, the life expectancy has jumped to 72 years of age, past that of Egypt. More than the fact that this awards points to Israel, it also shows the abyss in which the Gaza Strip found itself during the days of the Egyptian régime.
Refugees from mandatory Palestine also lived in Egypt itself. Many of them did not even feel that they were Palestinians and preferred to assimilate. The Egyptians prevented them from doing so. Except for a short period of time that was considered the “golden age,” during some of the years of Nasser’s rule, which did not include the Gaza refugees, even those who were in Egypt suffered from restrictions on purchasing land, engaging in certain professions and education (for example, there was a prohibition on the establishment of a Palestinian school). The Egyptian citizenship law allowed citizenship for someone whose father is Egyptian, and later the law was expanded to anyone whose mother is Egyptian. In actuality, however, restrictions were imposed on anyone considered a Palestinian. Even the decision of an Egyptian court canceling the restrictions did not help. The new régime in Egypt has recently promised change. The change, even if it happens, cannot erase many years of discrimination, which was tantamount to collective punishment. Thus, for example, in 1978, Egyptian Minister of Culture Yusouf al-Shib'ai was murdered in Cyprus by a member of Abu Nidal’s group. In reprisal, the Palestinians suffered a new wave of attacks and the Egyptian parliament renewed legislation restricting the Palestinians in education and employment services.
Jordan:
Precisely like the identification and unity between the Arabs of Jaffa and southern Israel, and the Arabs of Egypt, similar identification exists between the Arabs of the West Bank and the Arabs of Jordan. Thus, for example, the Bedouin of the Majalis (or Majilis) tribe from the al-Karak region are originally from Hebron. During the days of the Ottoman Empire, Eastern Jordan was part of the Damascus district, like other parts of what later came under the auspices of the British mandate. According to the Balfour declaration, the area now called Jordan was supposed to be part of the Jewish national homeland.
The initial distress of the refugees on both sides of the Jordan River, was enormous. For example, Iraqi soldiers controlled the area of Nablus, and there is testimony about “the Iraqi soldiers taking the children of the rich for acts of debauchery and returning the children to their families the next day, the inhabitants are frequently arrested.” (in Hebrew) Indeed, Arab solidarity.
It seemed that Jordan treated the refugees differently. Under a 1954 Jordanian law, any refugee who lived in the area of Jordan between 1948 and 1954 was given the right to citizenship. However, that was only the outward façade. Below is a description of the reality under the Jordanian régime in the West Bank:
“We have never forgotten and we will never forget the nature of the régime that degraded our honor and trampled our human feelings. A régime that was built on an inquisition and the boots of the desert people. We lived for a long time under the humiliation of the Arab nationalism and it hurts to say that we had to wait for the Israeli conquest in order to become aware of humane relations with civilians.”
Because these things are liable to sound like an ad from a public relations campaign by the occupying force, it should be noted that they were published in the name of critics from the West Bank in an interview with the Lebanese newspaper Al Hawadith on April 23, 1971.
As in all other Arab countries, Jordan did not do a thing to dismantle the refugee camps. While Israel was absorbing hundreds of thousands of refugees from Europe and the Arab countries in similar camps (transit camps), and undergoing a punishing process of rehabilitation, building new settlements and dismantling the camps, Jordan did exactly the opposite and prevented any process of rehabilitation. During those same two decades, not one institution of higher learning was established in the West Bank. The flowering of higher education began in the 1970s, after the Israelis took control..
Even the citizenship that was given to the refugees was mainly for the sake of appearances. Despite the fact that the Palestinians number over 50% of the inhabitants of Jordan, they hold only18 seats – out of 110 – in the Jordanian parliament, and only 9 senators out of 55, who are appointed by the king. It should also be recalled that during just one month, September 1970, in one confrontation, Jordan killed many more Palestinians than all the Palestinians who have been hurt in the 43 years of Israeli rule over the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Syria:
The first Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations, the first Palestinian Arab conference, was held in Jerusalem in 1919. At the conference, it was decided that Palestine, which had just been conquered by the British, was southern Syria – an integral part of greater Syria. Over the years of the mandate, the immigration from Syria into the British mandate territory increased, for example, the Al-Hourani family, which arrived from the Houran in Syria, and others. The idea of “greater Syria,” which included mandatory Palestine, was also reflected in the growing involvement of Syrians in the great Arab rebellion and in the gangs that arrived from Syria during the War of Independence. The refugees, therefore, were not strangers politically, religiously or ethnically. To the contrary. Their fate should not have been different from the fate of other ethnic groups who were expelled to a place in which they constituted the national and cultural majority.
Between 70,000 and 90,000 refugees arrived in Syria, the decisive majority of them from Safed, Haifa, Tiberias and Acre. Thus, in 1954, they were granted partial rights, which did not include political rights. Until 1968, they were prohibited from holding property. Syrian law enables any Arab citizens to obtain Syrian citizenship, provided that his permanent residence is in Syria and he has a proven capacity for economic subsistence. However, the Palestinians are the only ones outside the applicability of the law. Even if they are permanent residents and possess means, the law prevents them from obtaining citizenship.
Only 30% of those who, for some reason, are still considered “Palestinian refugees in Syria” still live in refugee camps. Actually, they should long ago have been considered Syrians to all intents and purposes. They were part of the national Arab identity, they are connected by family ties, they should have been assimilated into the economic life of the country. But despite that, as a result of the political brainwashing, they remain in Syria as a foreign element, they daydream about the “right of return,” and are kept perpetually in their inferior status. Most of them are at the bottom of the employment ladder, in the service (41%) and construction (27%) professions. But there is nothing like the field of education to clarify their situation. 23% do not even go to elementary schools and only 3% reach academic education.
Lebanon:
In the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians suffered for only two decades because of the Egyptian régime. In Lebanon, the apartheid continues to this day. The result is poverty, neglect, and enormous unemployment. Up to 1969, the refugee camps were under the stringent military control of Lebanon. According to the descriptions of Martha Gellhorn, most of the refugees were in a reasonable situation. Many even improved their standard of living compared with the days before the “nakba.” But in 1969, the Cairo Agreement was signed, which transferred control of the camps to the refugees themselves. The situation only grew worse. Terrorist organizations took control of the camps, which turned them into arenas of conflict – mostly violent – among the various groups.
A new study that was published in December 2010 presents data that makes the Gaza Strip look like paradise compared with Lebanon. Indeed, there was some scant publicity about it here and there, but as far as we know, there was no worldwide protest, not even a Turkish or international flotilla.
In contrast to Syria and Jordan, in which most of those defined as refugees are no longer in refugee camps, two thirds of the Palestinians in Lebanon live in camps, which are “enclaves outside the control of the state.” The most stunning data is that, despite the fact that about 425,000 refugees are registered with UNRWA, the study found that only between 260,000 and 280,000 Palestinians live in Lebanon. The paradox is that UNRWA is receiving financing for more than 150,000 people who are not even in Lebanon. This figure alone should have led to a serious inquest by the financing countries (primarily the US and Europe), but there is no chance that that will happen. The issue of the refugees is fraught with so many errors and lies that one more lie doesn’t really change anything. And so UNRWA can demand a budget for 425,000 people from the international community, while its website has a link to the study that shows that it’s all a fiction.
According to the study, the refugees are suffering from 56% unemployment. That seems to be the highest figure, not just among the Palestinians, but in the entire Arab world. Even those who are working are at the bottom of the employment ladder. Only 6% of those in the workforce have some kind of academic degree (compared with 20% of the workforce in Lebanon). The result is that 66% of the Palestinians in Lebanon live below the poverty line, which was set at six dollars per day per person. That is double the number of the Lebanese.
This dismal state of affairs is a result of apartheid to all intents and purposes. A series of Lebanese laws restrict the right to citizenship, to property, and to employment in the fields of law, medicine, pharmaceutics, journalism, etc. In August 2010 there was a limited amendment to the labor law but the amendment did not actually lead to any real change. Another directive prohibits the entry of building materials into refugee camps, and there are reports of arrests and the demolition of houses resulting from construction in the refugee camps. The partial and limited prohibition imposed by Israel on bringing building materials into the Gaza Strip stemmed from the firing of rockets at population centers. As far as we know, no prohibition was imposed in Lebanon due to a similar firing of rockets at population centers. And despite that, again, beyond the dry reports of human rights organizations, as part of the outlook that “they are permitted to do as they please,” no serious protest was recorded and no “apartheid week” was held against Lebanon.
Kuwait:
In 1991, the Palestinians constituted 30% of the country’s population. Relative to other Arab countries, their situation there was reasonable. Then Saddam Hussein invaded Iraq. As part of the attempts at compromise that proceeded to first Gulf War, Saddam made a “proposal” to retreat from Kuwait in exchange for Israel’s retreat from the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The PLO, headed by Yasir Arafat, supported Saddam’s proposal. That support was the opening salvo in one of the worst events in Palestinian history. After Kuwait was liberated from the Iraqi conquests, and anti-Palestinian campaign commenced, which included persecution, arrests and show trials. The terrible saga ended in the expulsion of 450,000 Palestinians. Incidentally, some of them had settled there back in the 1930s, and most of them had no connection to Arafat’s support for Saddam. Nevertheless, they were subject to collective punishment, a transferor of proportions similar to the original nakba in 1948, which barely earned any mention in the world media. There are endless academic publications on the expulsion and flight in 1948. There are close to zero studies on the “nakba” of 1991.
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These are the main countries in which the refugees are located. Apartheid is also rampant in other countries. In Saudi Arabia, the refugees from mandatory Palestine have not received citizenship. In 2004, Saudi Arabia announced some changes but clarified that the changes do not include the Palestinians. Jordan also prevents 150,000 refugees, most of them originally from the Gaza Strip, from receiving citizenship now. In Iraq, the refugees were actually given preference under the leadership of Saddam Hussein, but since he fell from power they have become one of the most persecuted groups. Twice, both on the Libyan-Egyptian border and on the Syria,-Iraqi border, thousands of expelled Palestinians lived in temporary camps and not a single Arab state agreed to take them. That was a formidable show of “Arab solidarity,” in making the “Arab nation.” And it continues. Palestinians from Libya, refugees from the civil war, are now arriving at the border of Egypt, which refuses to grant them entry.
Time after time the Arab countries have rejected proposals to resettle the refugees, despite the fact that there was room and there was a need. The march continues. In 1995, the ruler of Libya, Muammar Gaddafi, decided to expel 30,000 Palestinians, just because he was angry about the Oslo accords, about the PLO, and about the establishment of the Palestinian Authority. A Palestinian doctor, Dr. Ashraf al-Hazouz, spent 8 years in a Libyan prison (together with Bulgarian nurses), on false charges of spreading AIDS. In August 2010, before the present uprising, Libya passed lawsthat made the lives of the Palestinians impossible. It was precisely at the time when Libya dispatched a “humanitarian aid ship” to the Gaza Strip. There is no limit to hypocrisy.
The following is a summary of the apartheid against minorities in the Arab world in general, and against the Palestinians in particular. But there is a difference. While the Copts in Egypt or the Kurds in Syria are, indeed, minorities, the Arabs from mandatory Palestine were supposed to be an integral part of the Arab nation. Two of the symbols of the Palestinian struggle were born in Egypt – Edward Said and Yasir Arafat. Both of them tried to fabricate their birthplace as Palestine. Two other prominent symbols of the struggle by the Arabs of mandatory Palestine are Fawzi al-Qawuqji (who competed with the mufti to lead the Arab struggle against the British) and Izz al-Din al-Qassam – the former Lebanese and the latter Syrian. There is nothing strange about this, because the struggle was Arab, not Palestinian. And despite that, the Arabs of mandatory Palestine became the most downtrodden and spurned group of all, following the Arab defeat in 1948. The vast majority of the descriptions from those years talks about Arabs, not about Palestinians. Later, only later, did they become Palestinians.
The Arab countries are well aware that their treatment of the refugees from mandatory Palestine was no less than scandalous. To that end, they signed the “Casablanca Protocol” in 1965, which was supposed to grant the Palestinians the right of employment and movement, but not citizenship. To have it almost within their grasp. But like other documents of that type, this one did not change a thing. The abuse continued.
At the comparative level, it seems that the Palestinian group that underwent the most significant growth is the one that is under Israeli sovereignty – both the Israeli Arabs who received Israeli citizenship, whose situation is far better, and the Arabs of the territories. Despite the harsh living conditions in Lebanon and Syria, and before that also in Egypt and the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians under Israeli rule, beginning in 1967, have enjoyed a steady rise in their standard of living, in employment, in health services, in life expectancy, in the dramatic drop in infant mortality, and in the enormous growth of higher education.
For example, in all the territories captured by Israel in 1967, there was not one institution of higher education. In the 1970s, academic institutions began to sprout one after the other, and today there are at least 16 institutions of higher education. The growth in the number of students has continued for three decades, including during the years of the Intifada in the last decade. Within six decades the Palestinians – only those under Israeli rule – have become the most educated group in the Arab world.
The same is true in the political arena. After decades of political oppression, it was only under Israeli rule that the Palestinian national consciousness sprang up. For two decades after the War of Independence, the Arabs could have established a Palestinian state in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. They did not do so – until Israel arrived and released them from the oppression of two decades. That didn’t make the occupation desirable. It doesn’t mean that there weren’t injustices and dispossessions. There were. But it seems that after the first two decades following the “nakba,” it was actually the era of Israeli rule that caused the enormous flourishing growth in every field. We should, and we must, criticize the negative aspects of the occupation. But we should, and we must, also remember the aspect that is ignored.
In the past decades, the lie has arisen again and again about Israel’s responsibility for the distress of the Palestinians, so it is advisable to set matters straight. The Palestinians went through a terrible experience of uprooting and expulsion. Most of them fled. Some of them were expelled. But, again, that type of occurrence was experienced by tens of millions of others. The difference lies in the fact that all the other tens of millions were absorbed by the countries to which they went. That has not been the case with the Palestinians. They have gone through ordeals of oppression, abuse, and denial of rights. That was the work of the Arab countries, which decided to perpetuate the situation. Many proposals to resolve the problem of the Palestinians and resettle them have been rejected again and again. The open wound has festered. Time after time the Arabs themselves have claimed that the Arabs are one nation. The borders between the countries, and of this there is no dispute, are a fiction of the colonial government. After all, there is no difference, either ethnic, or religious, or cultural, or national, between the Arabs of Jaffa and Gaza and the Arabs of El Arish and Port Said, or between the Arabs of Safed and Tiberias and the Arabs of Syria and Lebanon. Despite that, the Arab refugees have become the forced victims of the Arab world. The “right of return,” which is primarily a propaganda invention, has become the ultimate demand. Behind this demand was hidden, and still hides, one single intention: the annihilation of the State of Israel. The Egyptian Foreign Minister, Muhammad Salah al-Din, said back in 1949 that the “demand for the right of return was actually intended to achieve the purpose of annihilating Israel.” That was also the case at a conference of refugees that was held in 1957 in Homs in Syria, where it was declared that “Any discussion of the refugee issue that does not promise the right to the annihilation of Israel will be deemed a desecration of the Arab nation and treason.” There is no confusion here between the “right of return” and the “right of annihilation.” It is the same “right.” Identical words about return, whose purpose is the annihilation of Israel, were stated in 1988 by Sacher Habash, Yasir Arafat’s adviser. So, too, in our day, is the BDS campaign, whose platform supports the “right of return,” and whose leaders, such as Omar Barghouti, explained that the real objective is the annihilation of Israel.
Already back in 1952, Alexander Galloway, a senior official in UNRWA, stated that “The Arab countries do not want to resolve the problem of the refugees. They want to leave them like an open wound, as a weapon against Israel. The Arab rulers don’t care at all if the refugees live or die.” The Palestinian – and usually also the academic – historiography mimics a series of expressions of that type, just as it mimics the absorption of tens of millions of refugees in other places, and as it mimics the “Jewish nakba,” the story of the dispossession and expulsion of Jews from Arab countries, and as it mimics the story of the Arab apartheid. But the truth must be told. Indeed, there was a nakba, but it is a nakba that is recorded primarily in the name of the Arab apartheid.
Ben-Dror Yemini is a researcher, a lecturer and a journalsit
Am I the only one who finds it upsetting that Netanyahu comes to this country and rudely redresses our elected President? He then plays to Congress, congratulating them for killing Osama Bin Laden when the vast majority did not even know about it. Then Boehner capped it off by standing next to the man and declaring undying support for Israel. If any Jewish voters were impressed, I have a bridge in Brooklyn...... If this man is our best friend in the Middle East, God help us.
Netanyahu, a former combat commando, politely declined Obama's invitation for his nation to commit suicide and gave the former weenie community organizer a richly deserved b*tchslapping in front of the whole world. No hard feelings.
Your hatred has made you strong, Descarado. Seriously though, you are so anti-Obama that you would support the open corruption of our politicians in allegiance to a foriegn dignitary. Does the phrase cutting off your nose to spite your face mean anything to you?
It's funny because the Obama hating crowd are usually the one's quickest to mention the founding fathers. The founding fathers are probably rolling over in their graves right now, seeing as how they fought so America wouldn't have to serve a foreign king, only for Netenyahu to take that king's place centuries later.
I agree, our real friends in the Middle East are Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan
To Ayman:
What a beautiful zionist propaganda!
STATEMENTS OF U.S. PRESIDENTS
Date Pres Pop Statement
4/12/1980 Carter 61500 The settlements are not legal and are an impediment to peace
9/1/1982 Reagan 106595 A settlements freeze would help peace process. Settlement activity is in no way necessary for the security of Israel
3/3/1990 Bush 227500 We do not believe there should be new settlements in the West Bank or in East Jerusalem
1/7/2001 Clinton 387859 The settlements are inconsistent with the Oslo commitment
4/4/2002 Bush II 414,119 Israeli settlement activity in occupied territories must stop, and the occupation must end through withdrawal to secure and recognized boundaries, consistent with United Nations Resolutions 242 and 338.
5/18/2010 Obama 479,500 Settlements have to be stopped in order for us to move forward.
We give money, Israel gives us the finger!
AFFIRMATIVE!!
but the game led by isreal will soon be over, when all these stupid ruthless arab dictators go.
AFFIRMATIVE!!
To Saad:
You're 200% right!
If our country is hated by the rest of the world is because that!
I agree with you Saad.
Ayman, what the hell man? All you do is copy and paste? typical, you are an idiot.
FACTS NOT FICTION!
THE SETTLEMENTS
There are five types of settlements: A. Agrarian settlements for military purposes manned mostly by soldiers; B. Settlements of Jews returning to sites occupied by Jews prior to 1948 (Hebron, Gush Etzion, Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem); C. Expanding suburbs of Israeli cities on or near the “Green Line;” D. Settlements unrelated to the previous three types; E. Illegal rogue settlements
A. Settlements for Military Purposes
Agrarian settlements manned by IDF soldiers were established soon after the war along what the IDF felt were crucial corridors of defense, especially along the Jordan river, near the “Green Line,” in the Golan Heights, and near Gaza. Because Egypt, Syria and Jordan remained belligerent states for decades after the war, and because the PLO was actively trying to develop bases for terrorism in the newly conquered territories, and because Israel had previously been invaded across these territories, these settlements were intended primarily to serve a strategic military defensive purpose.
The Alon plan, developed by General Yigal Alon shortly after the war, envisioned a series of these military-agrarian settlements (referred to as “nahal” in Hebrew) protecting strategic areas along the Jordan river (it is important to recall that the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan was in a de iure state of war with Israel until 1994) and across parts of the West Bank where surveillance and the potential for rapid military deployment were deemed essential for security purposes.
In several cases, where Palestinian farmers utilized the Israeli court system to lodge complaints that the army was unnecessarily taking land without proper military purpose, the Israeli High Court of Justice decided in favor of the plaintiffs. The army site at Beth El (near Ramallah) is the best-known case, and probably one of the few cases in all of world history where the legal system of the victorious country decided in favor of the defeated, contrary to the security
related demands of the army. The IDF was forced to move its base about ten kilometers further west, to accommodate the land claims of the local Palestinians.
B. Settlements of Jews Returning To Their Pre-1948 Homes
Settlement of civilian Israelis in the West Bank began shortly after the 1967 war, with a small group of Orthodox Jews setting up a few households in the former Jewish section of Hebron, followed by a larger re-settling of Jews in the rapidly reconstructed Jewish Quarter of East Jerusalem. Jews had lived in Hebron almost continuously since the days of Joshua, 3100 years ago, and were expelled only during the horrific Arab pogroms of 1929 in which hundreds were slaughtered. Jewish habitation in Jerusalem had a similar millennia-long history, with the 1948 war and the massacre of about half of the population of the Jewish Quarter terminating Jewish presence there.
Later, Jews resettled the villages of the Kfar Etzion area (aka Gush Etzion) southwest of Bethlehem. Since this area had been extensively settled and developed in the early part of the 20th century by Zionist pioneers, and mobs of Arab irregulars had massacred most of the Jews of these villages during the 1948 war, the return of Israelis to these sites created additional Type B settlements.
C: Settlements Expanding Suburbs of Israeli Cities On Or Near The “Green Line”
Unoccupied areas around Jerusalem and to the east of Kfar Saba and Netania (near Tel Aviv) and to the northeast of Petah Tiqvah were used as sites for major building projects that created low cost housing for the expanding populations of the Jerusalem and Tel-Aviv areas. In most cases, the land utilized for these projects was Jordanian ‘Crown Land’, land to which no individual could lay claim of private ownership. In the absence of Jordan’s willingness to enter into peace negotiations after the war, Israel’s expropriation of these unoccupied areas was legal in as much as Israel’s sovereignty, having been created via defensive actions against an aggressor nation (Jordan), was legal.
In cases where West Bank Arabs legally owned land that Israel wanted for these expansion projects, Israel bought the land at fair market prices. Land sale to Israel was fairly active throughout the decades after the Six-day war. So much so that when the Palestinian Authority was established in 1994, Arafat declared that sale of land to Jews was a capital offense; and as a result, Palestinian families who had benefited from these sales were suddenly in mortal danger and some were forced to flee the West Bank.
The rapid growth in Jerusalem’s Jewish population after the war presented the Israeli government with both a problem and a solution of considerable political valence. Areas of dense Jewish settlement were developed in order to accommodate this growth, and these settlements were used to surround Jerusalem, such that the 1948-1967 phenomenon of a “Jerusalem Corridor” (where Jerusalem was surrounded on three-and-a-half sides by hostile Arab towns and villages with access to other Israeli areas restricted to only one narrow road) would not be re-created in the context of a future peace agreement with the Arabs. The outlying areas (French Hill, Ammunition Hill, Gilo, Ma’aleh Adumim, Har Homah, inter alia) were turned into hi-rise suburbs that expanded the city’s perimeter and accommodated the burgeoning population. Of these, only Gilo was built on privately owned land. A Christian family in Beit Jalla sold the hilltop site to the municipality of Jerusalem in 1974.
D: Settlements Unrelated to the Previous Three Types
Over time, religious and right wing political pressure supported the creation of settlements elsewhere in the West Bank and Gaza. Under Prime Ministers Begin and Rabin, these settlements proliferated. Often they were founded near ancient Jewish holy sites, such as Joseph’s Tomb near Nablus (Biblical Shechem).
Arab spokespersons claim that these settlements, some of which were built well inside the West Bank or Gaza areas, stole land from Arab farmers. Israel claims that most land used for these developments was unoccupied and un-owned, thus qualifying as ‘Crown Land’ on which Israel had full legal right to build and develop. Where privately owned land was needed for settlement expansion, Israel claims to have purchased that land from its legal owners at fair market values.
There was considerable debate in the Israeli government and society at large as to whether allowing these Type D settlements to
be developed was productive in the context of Israel’s long-term goal of achieving peace. Ultimately, the government felt that creating “uvdot bashetah” (facts in the field – settlements that were there, literally in concrete, with buildings, populations, agrarian and industrial activities, connected by efficient infra-structure to the pre-1967 Israeli areas) would be useful as bagaining chips in future negotiations.
E: Illegal Rogue Settlements
Illegal Rogue Settlements were set up by break-away settlers, often contrary to IDF and/or government instructions, sometimes on privately owned Palestinian land. Palestinian complaints about such illegal land grabs have been adjudicated in the Israeli court system with decisions not infrequently in favor of the Palestinians. These settlements, whether on illegally taken land or not, are considered illegal by many in Israel. Some have been forcibly dismantled. This is a very emotional issue in Israel, with mostly orthodox Jews demanding that all Jews be allowed to settle anywhere in the Promised Land (especially anywhere in the region where Abraham lived: i.e., the West Bank from Shechem/Nablus to Hebron). Anti-settlement sentiment among Israelis (especially the non-religious) is spurred in large part by these rogue sites; and it is almost exclusively this type of settlement on the West Bank that Prime Minister Sharon has considered dismantling even before peace negotiations with the Palestinian Authority.
The Legality of the Settlements
Anti-settlement spokespersons (Arab, Israeli and other) have repeatedly branded the settlements as illegal in accordance with the 4th Geneva Convention and international law. However, even a superficial review of the relevant elements of international law demonstrates that this interpretation of the Geneva Convention is a typical example of Orwellian “doublespeak”. It is precisely international law, the Geneva Convention, and relevant UN resolutions that define these settlements as legal.
According to the Fourth Geneva Convention, the prohibition of exiling conquered populations and settling populations from the conqueror’s territory into conquered territories pertains to territory conquered in an offensive war. These sections of the Convention were written to deter future actions like those of the Nazis in Eastern Europe during WWII. Since Israel acquired sovereignty over the territories in a defensive war, it is highly questionable whether these prohibitions apply. The fact that the belligerent opponent (Jordan) remained at war (until 1994) meant that the conquered population was potentially hostile. Moreover, Israel never exiled any Arabs from anywhere in the territories (except in 1992 when it deported about 400 terrorists to south Lebanon in an attempt to stop terror activities).
On the contrary, because of Israel’s policies of ‘open bridges’ across the Jordan (although Jordan was still in a state of declared war with Israel), Arabs migrated into Israel in vast numbers, and the Arab population of the West Bank tripled, from about 650,000 in 1967 to more than 2,000,000 in 1994, with a commensurate increase in Arab settlements (some estimates suggest that as many as 260 new Arab villages or expansions of existing sites occurred during this time).
It is obvious therefore, that Israeli settlement activity not only did nothing to infringe on the well being of the indigenous population; rather, that activity actually created the beneficial economic environment into which hundreds of thousands of Arabs could integrate.
Regarding territory conquered in a defensive action, the Charter of the League of Nations (the same one which gave Britain the right to establish a Mandatory Government over Palestine and which declared that British Mandatory Palestine was to be the homeland of the Jewish people) indicates that the disposition of such territory will be part of the peace treaty between the warring parties. In the absence of such a treaty, the disposition of these territories remains in dispute. Such territories should be referred to as “disputed territories,” not “occupied territories.” Their continued occupation by the defensive party is legal. Since the wars in 1948 and 1967 were defensive, Israel’s occupation of territories beyond the l947 partition boundaries and 1949 armistice boundaries is completely legal. The Charter of the United Nations accepts, and with no authority to change it, the Charter of the League of Nations. So the League of Nations Charter is still international law, and offers a congruent and rational balance to the 4th Geneva Convention (i.e., the Charter describes the rights of a nation occupying territory in a defensive action, and the Convention describes the limitations placed upon a nation occupying territory in an offensive action). Both are valid under international law.
It is also legal for the defensive party maintaining occupation in the absence of a peace treaty to take necessary measures to maintain security. Thus Nahal settlements (for military reasons) are legal according to international law.
International law is also clear that populations that had been dispossessed from their ancestral homes by an offensive action have the right to re-settle their homes when a successful defensive action recaptures the land from which they were driven out. Thus the return of Jews to Hebron, Gush Etzion, and the Jewish Quarter is also legal under international law.
UN Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967) makes it clear that the purpose of the resolution is to create a just and lasting peace, with guarantees for the territorial inviolability, mutually recognized borders, and political independence of every state in the area. According to Eugene Rostow, one of the drafters of 242, the plain meaning of the resolution is that Israel’s administration of the West Bank and Gaza is completely legal until a just and lasting peace is achieved. Such administration, in the absence of a peace treaty, and in the face of continued hostility from Arab nations and terrorist groups, can include the development of unoccupied segments for housing a growing population. Such activity is not the same as transporting population to the territory for resettlement. So the third type of settlement (C) is also legal.
Type D Settlements are more complex. Nothing in the Geneva Convention prohibits voluntary development of the disputed territories. What is prohibited is forced deportations and organized displacement of original populace by a forced settlement of the conquering population. So, to the degree that settlements of Type D are a function of voluntary Israeli settling in areas of the West Bank and Gaza Strip without the sequestering of Palestinian land and the removal of Palestinian population, these Type D settlements are legal. Moreover, since the West Bank and Gaza were never legally part of any sovereign nation (they were part of British Mandatory Palestine till November 29, 1947, were intended by the UN to be part of a Palestinian State, and were over-run and illegally occupied by Jordan and Egypt in the 1948 war, in stark and defiant violation of the UN partition plan, UN resolutions 181 and 194, and international law), Israel’s occupation of these territories after the 1967 war does not violate the legal claims of any nation.
However, since some privately owned Palestinian land was taken by government fiat, and it could be argued that either by complicity or by design the Israeli government sponsored these settlements (thus making it more of a government plan rather than a voluntary settlement), it seems fair to say that Type D settlements, although legal according to the Fourth Geneva Convention and relevant UN resolutions, may be in a gray area morally.
Rogue settlements (Type E) are palpably illegal. Israeli government officials have referred to them as “rogue” settlements, IDF forces have dismantled some, and Prime Minister Sharon has targeted some for a similar fate.
The Islamic claim to Jerusalem is false !
muhammad flew on a magical horse in one night from mecca the birth place of islam to a "Further Mosque" (which muslims claim located on the temple mount), and back therefore jerusalem is holy to muslims.
There were no mosques in Jerusalem in 632 c.e. at the death of Muhammad... Jerusalem was a Christian-occupied city
In the days of Muhammad, who died in 632 of the Common Era, Jerusalem was a Christian-occupied city within the Byzantine Empire. Jerusalem was captured by caliph Omar only in 638 c.e., six years after Muhammad's death.
Throughout all this time there were only churches in Jerusalem, and a church stood on the Temple Mount, called the Church of Saint Mary of Justinian, built in the Byzantine architectural style
(the mosques shapes you commonly see today are a copy of Byzantine architectural style Churches !, you didn't know that did ya?)
'In the Book of Raids, early Muslim historian and biographer "Waqidi"(أبو عبد الله محمد بن عمر بن واقد ) described Muhammad's stay in the village of Jiranah a few miles outside Mecca. He wrote:
The Prophet arrived in Jiranah on Thursday, and remained 13 nights. He then departed Jiranah after praying at the Al-Aqsa="Further Mosque" located on the shore of the river bed. The Prophet used to pray there whenever he came to Jiranah.'
Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiya (AD 638-700), a close relative of Muhammad, have said, denigrating the notion that the prophet of Islam ever set foot on the Rock in Jerusalem; ‘these damned Syrians,' by which he means the Umayyads, ‘pretend that Allah put His foot on the Rock in Jerusalem, though one person ever put his foot on the rock, namely Abraham.'
... and it's kinda funny to me that the Quran doesn't mention the fakestinians or jerusalem even once ! ! !
but the israelis many times !
يَا قَوْمِ ادْخُلُوا الْأَرْضَ الْمُقَدَّسَةَ الَّتِي كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَرْتَدُّوا عَلَىٰ أَدْبَارِكُمْ فَتَنقَلِبُوا خَاسِرِينَ: "
and now, my people (the Israelites), enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you.
"
-Qur'an, Sura 5:21-
-Qu'ran, Sura 17:104-
"You can fool some people sometimes, but you can't fool all the people all the time"
bob marly.
Dear Jon,
I speak fluent Arabic and English, and while I am agnostic I am very familiar with the Qur'an, and I am glad to report to you that the verse from the Qur'an that you have included certainly does not refer to the Israelite. But I do have to give you a great deal of credit for learning about Islamic history, even if what you have learned is inaccurate. If nothing else you have at least tried to learn something about the other side.
To Jon,
You're speaking about muslim as fanatics and murderer and you try to express your hatred by using the Qur'an???
Please, if you like to read: The Holocaust Is Over; We Must Rise From its Ashes by Avraham Burg.
I have a question to all zionism supporters here in the US: If you like so much Israel what are you waiting? go there!!
Somehow, I feel the need to shower after listening to this sly fox!!
The zionism is the biggest enemy of the jews.....and I'm jewish.......sad...sad...sad....
Check out what is happening on any article on Libya on CNN. Nothing but pro-Gadhafi statements based on ignorance and hate left on the board. At least you can see the group responsible for it. These people do not reflect american opinion, they reflect the madness of a bloody dictator. They are blocking Americans from expressing an opinion. Fight back. Write, phone, fax, or e-mail and complain to them about this takeover by Gadhafi's family and supporters. 100's of statements are being removed daily. Its a takeover of CNN blogs.
Americans have nothing in common with either side in the Libyan conflict.. They are both woman-stoning Islamo-fascists. Let them have at it.
It is simple, the Israelis want tough negotiations to result in a two state solution where peace is achieved, the Palestinians want a two state solution and then continue the war on Israel. It is what they are telling their people in Arabic, it is what Hamas is saying it will do, and it is what Syria and iran are pushing. Get the best deal you can, then continue the war.
No Two States, One Nation for all the People of Israel, and why not?
Don't worry Israel, Obama doesn't speak for all Americans. He is a one term president at best. For this politically ignorant man to ask you to go back to the pre 1967 borders is like asking the US to go back to the pre 1776 borders and give the colonies back to England.
Obama is speaking more for American interests than the tools in congress bowing down to Isreals lobby. How dare PRESIDENT Obama have independent thought on an unbiased way to negotiate peace between Israel and Palestine!?!
Maybe some more politicians should have taken a similiar stance and sooner. We all know that Israel has some nutty enemies out there, but why make them our enemies when we don't have to. Why paint the target on our back. As they say you have to choose your battles. That applies to nations as well. What is the benefit of biased support for Israel that outweighs the negatives of pissing off people who want to fly planes into your buildings? This issue is a major selling point for terrorists to stoke anti-American sentiment. Maybe if we're not such a target we aren't having events like 9/11. Maybe we don't get into two wars that sink our economy. That may be a harsh way of looking at it, but sometimes you have to look at things in a harsh light.
Every time the word "Israel” is mentioned in the news, flocks of maggots and vultures coming out spitting biological hatred at the only humane and moral society amidst stone age fanatical mob. The context of the news doesn't matter, the keyword is Israel. The arguments are pointless. The supporters of Israel are on defensive trying to argue with historical facts and logical arguments. The non-Islamic enemies of Israel are just anti-Semitic and use Israel as pretext to express their anti Jewish feelings. The Islamic enemies of Israel are preprogrammed to hate the Jews and Israel by their "peaceful” religion and Quran. The Islamic Arab mentality is very simple – blood and murder. In Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere they killed 10 times more of their own people that all coalition forces. The enemies of Israel don’t care about so called "Palestinians", they use the conflict to feed their hatred. As of conflict, Golda Meir said “We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours. The peace will be only when Arabs will love their children more than they hate us".
Every time the word "Israel” is mentioned in the news, flocks of maggots and vultures coming out spitting biological hatred at the only humane and moral society amidst stone age fanatical mob. The context of the news doesn't matter, the keyword is Israel. The arguments are pointless. The supporters of Israel are on defensive trying to argue with historical facts and logical arguments. The non-Islamic enemies of Israel are just anti-Semitic and use Israel as pretext to express their anti Jewish feelings. The Islamic enemies of Israel are preprogrammed to hate the Jews and Israel by their "peaceful” religion and Quran. The Islamic Arab mentality is very simple – blood and murder. In Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and elsewhere they killed 10 times more of their own people that all coalition forces. The enemies of Israel don’t care about so called "Palestinians", they use the conflict to feed their hatred. As of conflict, Golda Meir said “We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours. The peace will be only when Arabs will love their children more than they hate us".
It will never happen with these hatefull muslims
Now having said all that, explain to me why it is in The United States best interests to incite these people by blindly supporting Israel?
because we want to precvent a second holocaust u might not care but the majority of americans want to prevent a second holocaust
Israel don't say I might not care. I don't want to see another holocaust, but Israel is it's own nation looking out for it's own interest. Why shouldn't The United States do the same. I don't see you posting how we should get involved in Burma or anywhere else around the world where things like that are going on. American politicians are responsible to Americans first and foremost. While helping other countries, including Israel, is nice, it shouldn't be done at the expense of Americans. Because of our blind support we have incurred the wrath of Israel's enemies who have targeted us with terrorists attacks that have costs us thousands of lives and billions of dollars between the acts themselves and our response to them. BTW taking a more nuetural, unbiased, stance in the Israel/Palestine affair does not equal allowing another holocaust.
Why should we give $$$$$ to all the countries around Israel when all they do is want to kill them. And then our president is to let them not have to pay back loans to them. Well the heck with that. I say don't give them one cent more and then we support Israel at 100%. You don't see Israel coming over here and saying to Obama , you can't even keep the terrorist out of your own country and you want to tell us how to protect ours borders, ( look at the border south USA- Mexico ). Also look who these people put in office in there country,Terrorists.
Let Israel protect there own border any way they can and stop the the Terrorist from importing weapons of all kinds so that they keep attacking Israel.
THE PRESIDENT of the UN General Assembly, Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann of Nicaragua, last week denounced the policies of a certain Middle Eastern nation. They are "so similar to the apartheid of an earlier era," he said, "that the world must unite against them, demanding an "end to this massive abuse of human rights" and isolating the offending nation as it once isolated South Africa: with a punishing "campaign of boycott, divestment, and sanctions."
Of which country was he speaking?
Was it Saudi Arabia, where public facilities are segregated by sex, and where a pervasive system of gender apartheid denies women the right to drive, to dress as they choose, to freely marry or divorce, to vote, to appear in public without a male "guardian," or to give testimony on an equal basis with men?
Was it Jordan, where the law explicitly bars Jews from citizenship and where the sale of land to a Jew was for decades not only illegal, but punishable by death?
Was it Iran, where homosexuality is a capital crime – at least 200 Iranian gays were executed last year – and whose president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, asserted at Columbia University that there are no homosexuals in Iran?
Was it Sudan, where tens of thousands of black Africans in the country's southern region, most of them Christians or animists, have been abducted and sold into slavery by Arab militias backed by the Islamist regime in Khartoum?
It was none of these. The General Assembly president, a radical Maryknoll priest who served as Nicaragua's foreign minister during the Sandinista regime in the 1980s, was not referring to any of the Middle East's Muslim autocracies and dictatorships, virtually all of which discriminate against ethnic and religious minorities. He was speaking of the Jewish state of Israel, the region's lone democracy, and the only one that guarantees the legal equality of all its citizens – one-fifth of whom are Muslim and Christian Arabs.
D'Escoto's call for Israel to be shunned as a pariah and strangled economically came on the UN's Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People, an annual occasion devoted to lamenting the rebirth of Jewish sovereignty in the 20th century, denouncing the national liberation movement – Zionism – that made that rebirth possible, and championing the cause of the Palestinian Arabs. The event occurs on or about Nov. 29, the anniversary of the UN vote in 1947 to partition Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. There are impassioned speeches, in which Israel's sins are enumerated and condemned, and the statelessness of the Palestinians is bewailed. Unmentioned is the fact that Palestine's Arabs would have had their state 60 years ago had they and the Arab League not rejected the UN's decision and chosen instead to declare war on the new Jewish state.
Like so much of what takes place at the UN, the obsession with demonizing Israel and extolling the Palestinians is grotesque and Orwellian. More than 1 million Israeli Arabs enjoy civil and political rights unmatched in the Arab world – yet Israel is accused of repression and human-rights abuse. Successive Israeli governments have endorsed a "two-state solution" – yet Israel is blasted as the obstacle to peace. The Palestinian Authority oversees the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich, and wants all Jews expelled from the land it claims for itself – yet Israel is labeled an "apartheid state" and singled out for condemnation and ostracism.
Make no mistake: In likening Israel to apartheid-era South Africa, the UN is engaged not in anti-racism but in anti-Semitism. In the 1930s, the world's foremost anti-Semites demanded a boycott of Jewish businesses. Today they demand a boycott of the Jewish state.
"No good German is still buying from a Jew," announced Hitler's Nazi Party in March 1933. "The boycott must be a universal one . . . and must hit Jewry where it is most vulnerable." Seventy-five years later, the president of the General Assembly urges the world to throttle Israel's 6 million Jews with "boycott, divestment, and sanctions." There is no significant difference between the two cases - or the animus underlying them.
When the UN adopted its odious "Zionism is racism resolution" in 1975, US Ambassador Daniel Patrick Moynihan minced no words. "The United States," he declared, "does not acknowledge, it will not abide by, it will never acquiesce in this infamous act." Where is such a voice of moral outrage today?
To Israel:
You have to read this book written by a guy more Jewish than you.
The title of the book : The Holocaust Is Over; We Must Rise From its Ashes by Avraham Burg
You can find it on Amazon. Educate yourself and stop watching Foxnews.
what do u mean more jewish then me? do u know how jewish i am ?
@Israel don't say I might not care. I don't want to see another holocaust, but Israel is it's own nation looking out for it's own interest. Why shouldn't The United States do the same. I don't see you posting how we should get involved in Burma or anywhere else around the world where things like that are going on. American politicians are responsible to Americans first and foremost. While helping other countries, including Israel, is nice, it shouldn't be done at the expense of Americans. Because of our blind support we have incurred the wrath of Israel's enemies who have targeted us with terrorists attacks that have costs us thousands of lives and billions of dollars between the acts themselves and our response to them. BTW taking a more nuetural, unbiased, stance in the Israel/Palestine affair does not equal allowing another holocaust.
YEP!!
israel should never allow a palestinian state the last thing israel needs is another muslim country thats unstable and where these muslim animals kill each other all day
Israel is a tiny nation, roughly half the size of Lake Michigan. Its population is roughly half the size of the New York metropolitan area. Despite being a Jewish state, more than twenty percent of its residents are Arab and most Jews in Israel describe themselves as secular rather than religious.
Yet if one were to read world press accounts or daily condemnations from the United Nations or the recent decision of the ICJ criticizing the construction of the fence, you might conclude that Israel is a world power intent on destabilizing Middle East affairs.
Why, it might well be postulated, does the world resent this speck of land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean?
Although my comments are speculative, I suspect they could be borne out empirically if historical accounts were fair and objective.
Israel is a thorn in the side of the Arab world because it is a remarkable technological phantasmagoria. Almost every Israeli is engaged in a software scheme. The Jews in this arid nation have made the deserts bloom; they have converted brain power into technical marvels and consequent wealth.
By contrast every nearby Arab nation is dysfunctional. Their governments are tyrannical; the people are poor and uneducated and local officials have been unwilling to convert oil revenue into social benefits
Americans, your congressmen and women looked for pathetic in that circus that you call your democracy. It was a brilliant proof who rules your country. They were like dummies and puppets getting up and cheering as if they were all competing with each other to see who will please their jewish masters more and who will get more campaign funding from them. Funny how your country is bankrupt, can't even help its own people (Louisiana, Mississipi, etc) but they finance murderous state of Israel? Now you wonder why everyone hates you????
I want to rebut what you say, but how can I? As an American citizen I was offended by what I saw today. Angered even. There was clear bias amongst our congress, no question. If I felt that way as an American, I can't imagine how someone living in an Arab country, subjected to anti-American propagnda, felt watching that. We have no business trying to negotiate a peace as we are not a credible, non partison, mediator.
As for Netenyahu, is he serious? He makes good points about concerns for Israel's safety and asks how could anyone live under that threat. But then he turns around and demands Palestine disarm and live next to a nuclear armed Israel. Watching that guy, now I know what the rest of the world felt like watching our old prez Bush.
To Barbara,
You forgot to mention, thanks to the US for sending our money to this tiny nation and for supporting them.
You have to read this book.
The title of the book : The Holocaust Is Over; We Must Rise From its Ashes by Avraham Burg
You can find it on Amazon. Educate yourself and stop watching Foxnews.
Well put MadMax!
Zionism enemy of the jews.
@Israel I usually don't nag people to post in response to a reply I made to them, but you took a cheap shot by implying that I don't care if there's another Holocaust, just because I am of the position that American politicians should be beholden to the American people and our elected leader the prez of the USA before Israel and it's interests. I responded to your comments, and await word from you on why it is you decided to employ the cheap tactic that you did when I have not expressed any criticism of Jewish people but rather limited my comments to Israel as a nation.
To Jay14
Don't waist your time. Today when you disagree with Israel's politics you're anti semitic.
The zionism is the cause of a lot of problems, like the muslims extremist, christian extremist etc....
Imagine the world without them......peace.
Well well well.... At least it's good to know where we stand with Israel.
And here I was, thinking that the US president was the leader of my country.... Turns out that it really is the president of Israel who's running the show. To have the nerve to talk like that to our president is simply unbelievable.
With 'friends' like Israel, who needs enemies....
To What the ?!
We're helping them, sending them money, protecting them and they gave us a finger.
Once again I speak about the zionists not the real Jews....I'm one of them. The zionists are making everything possible
to destroy our religion like terrorist "muslims" did with Islam.
Bibi will end like Sharon. Even God didn't want him.
Bibi will end like Sharon, even God didn't want him.
You American puppets do whatever we ask you to do. Just be good sons of our great saints. Great Zion elders will always carry you!!!
Israel does not want peace it wants to continue its settlement activity, this Hamas story what a heap of BS. Netanyahu just want to continue "talking" so the land grabs can Continue. Tell me how Israel wants peace? If Palestinians want a country declare statehood with borders you want, Israel can then work it out later. I haven't seen Israel once offer anything that can be seen as a finding middle ground. Settlements are land grabs no one can deny that.
The Israelis are constantly building new settlements while the Palestinians are forced to live in designated areas, many in poverty. I wonder which side of the argument our Native Americans fall on. You don't have to think about it. That was a rhetorical question.
I live on a reservation, we could care less about Palestine.
No difference between them and Apache.
I believe that only way to solve this middle east crisis is for a Palestinian State, since both people despise each other. These states need to be separate and the U.N. needs to patrol its borders to prevent any more bloodshed. Until this occurs, it will be the same pattern of Israel settlement expansion and Palestinian uprisings. I firmly believe that the Palestinians have been oppressed and a contiguous state needs to be setup by the U.N., just like it was setup in 1948 for a supposedly Jewish state in response to WWII holocaust. The problem is now the Palestinians are in their holocaust with the ethnic cleansing and crushing concentration camp security by the IDF, being totally surrounded by air, land and sea. To see the truth, watch the documentary http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/occupation-101, it was commentated by former U.S. Israelis analysts, Israeli Rabbis/ ex-soldier of 1948 war, Christians and Palestinians with on the ground experiences. All the bantering does not give what is evident in this documentary. Philip Giraldi, an ex U.S. military intelligence office has 10 question to pose Bibi that reveal the real questions for our nationalist stance. : http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2011/05/18/some-questions-for-bibi
Netinyahoo – When are the dolies and the towels going to start flying? Allahbeensobad is firing up the nuclear plant. What are you waiting for?
Human is Human. Live peacefully, every human body is going to die anyway.
All is a big game of bull and oil …if the Arab want really peace it would be very easy…how can you teach a 5 year old in school to hate Israel and you say that you want peace? Yes hopefully the new young generation of the Arab youth will be deferent…but Israel can not take a gamble on its life…all the truth is at www TheDimensionMachine DOT com.
Great speech.
To bad most Americans are so dumbed down they don't get it.
Suspect that includes most folks on here as well.
I totally agree with you! I also believe that most are either not old enough to remember or just let their minds go into a vegetative state to remember that Palestine is the former PLO terrorist group. How long before Al Qaeda and Hezbollah are legitimized?
Brenda why is that a problem for The United States? We have enough enemies, do we really need to go looking for more? Here I'll give you some more "terrorist" groups operating in our own country. MS-13, Bloods, Cryps, The Mafia (Italian, Irish, Russian, etc.), The KKK. That's just a few. American politicians should be more concerned with dedicating time and resources to protecting Americans than the citizens of Israel.
Okay Cattlebarn, so people don't "get it". We don't. The politicians aren't explaining it, why they've dedicated our full support to Israel. Explain to those that don't "get it" what the benefit for our nation is in helping this ME nation. I hope they ouweigh the negatives of putting us in a position where we are less friendly with the Arab world that controls a great deal of oil. I hope it outweighs the negatives of painting a target on ourselves so that Israel's enemies can attack our country. I hope it outweighs the resulting lost lives from the attack and subsequent wars. I hope it outweighs the economic losses incurred as a result of these actions.
If America wants to be so helpful I recommend starting at home. There are groups still suffering from our own country's history. Too many people trying to live productive lives are forced to deal with rampant crime in some of our lower economic areas, simply due to being born into poverty. Do you know why "stop snitching" is so popular? Because after the overstrapped, underfunded, police department is done taking your statement, they don't have the resources to protect from retaliation. So people are forced to live in fear... In The USA! Lower income areas have the least funded schools and public services, such as police and firefighters. The areas that need protection the most, have the least. That's just one example. We have plenty of things to shore up here in the USA before looking to lend a hand overseas. It's a slap in the face really. We the citizens of Israel the way we should be treating our own citizens. Turn on the television or radio. Go to a news site on the internet. You'll find plenty of callous talk about cutting programs designed to help those in need in OUR country. Yet these same people want to give without question to Israel, and follow Israel's lead, despite incurring the wrath of Israel's enemies. This to me does not add up.
hey CNN, did the new of Rae Abileah who was beaten then hospitalized then charged came to you yet?
we where willing to accept 1967 borders for peace. but since you dont agree. Then there will never be peace.
PALESTINE IS MY LAND from the river to the sea.
@adam-"There will be no peace as long as the US supports racist murderers and until Iran and Syria have nuclear weapons." You're dreaming if you think any American will stand for Iran and Syria having any kind of nuclear capability. This will NEVER happen. Do you think Americans are stupid? Do you think our president is stupid? (well he kind of is, but that's beside the point) The point is, Iran will NEVER have nuclear capability and I will throw Syria into that boat as well. Any nation who is known to harbor or aid terrorists or terrorist organizations will not be given the liberties that civilized nations are given. Take that to your 72 or so virigns and smoke it!!!
Don't worry Stevo. Obama was competent enough to get Osama, so I think we should be alright.
Here we go the start of yet another Palestinian uprising. I hope that Hamas has enough mental capacity not to strike Israel because it would be the last time they ever do. I am getting tired of all the BULLSH&T about land claims and religion. It is just like the muslims to keep bringing up SH&T that happened over 500 years ago. I hope the world gets tired of this and decides to nuke the whole area and make it unfit for human habitation. Only then will the world be done with it.
Unfortunately, Hamas is just an excuse for Israel not to engage in peace. Hamas is hardly a threat to Israel – bow and arrows against nuclear warheads (America provides). Israel wants to continue their war and aggression until they occupy all of Palestinian land. I wonder when the US will be fed up with fighting other country's wars, at the expense of the American young men and women.
The historical facts suggest that Israel will always pose a problem in the Middle East ( I have not included the massacres that have occured since 1947):
- In 1956, Israel attacked Egypt and occupied the Sinai as part of the British and French invasion of Egypt after the nationalization of the Suez Canal.
- In 1967, Israel attacked Syria, Jordan and Egypt, while tension existed in the region. As a result of the six day war, Israel seized the Golan Heights from Syria, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, Gaza and the Sinai from Egypt.
- In 1973, Egypt attacked Israel and regained a strip of the Sinai, which was totally
returned to Egypt after the peace agreement between Egypt and Israel.
There is only one way to settle this and it is not necessarily in the best interest of Israel or the Palestinians.
One has to look at this continuing tragedy pragmatically with no vested interest, no emotional ties, no historical context. I'vd often wondered what is like to be a parent or teenager in both Israel and Palestine (actually the geographic land should not even have a name because it is the same).
So what is the approach? Tough Love for Both. We have to look at the region from a global, economic and population perspective versus a cultural , religious perspective. Both Judaism and Islam are antithetic. Their teachings are totally at odds with other. This perpetuates a sense of entitlement, hatred and "who God loves best" mentality.
It will require the US administration, but more importantly, the Congress to view it's ties with Israel in terms of "Solution of Peace" policy established by the new alliance. Staunch christian have to back away from their own religious belief system that Israel is the key to the next coming of the Lord. Religion will play a secondary role in the decision-making process.
From a global perspective, this majority of youth of the world today really don't care if you are jewish, muslim, christian, buddhist, etc, they care about jobs, prosperity and freedom. That's what the Arab spring is all about, the humans rights of the individual. The freedom to make their own choices.
Solution: The UN with the Unites States, Russia, two representative countries from the EU, Turkey, China and Saudi Arabia take the lead, working in a unified global body to establish the new boundaries of both Israel and a new Palestinian State.
To back up this work, there would be a military alliance established specific for this role. It's responsibility would be to instill its will over both Israel and the Palestinian groups who will try to counter the success of this effort.
It will mean population movements on both sides. It will make Israel a totally Jewish state and Palestine (or whatever the name) a secular muslim state. They both will be republics (Israel already is) with elected officials from top to bottom.
There will be a commitment from the new alliance members to come to the aid of either country if attacked by the other, using whatever force is necessary to regain stability.
There will be massive aid provided to build up the Palestinian state to build the infrastructure and institutions necessary to successfully govern and build an economy which is self-sustaining.
Finally, the primary sticking point, Jerusalem. It will be made a separate internationally recognized zone/country. It will not be controlled by Israel or Palestine. It will belong to the world. It will be governed and funded by a world body. It will be recognized as a world heritage site with free access by all peoples of the world. After all it plays such a significant roll in Jewish, Islamic and Christian religion, that it cannot be individually or jointly controlled by Israel and the newly created Palestinian state.
The Unites States President has to have the guts to bring this solution directly to the American people and fight off the rhetoric and backlash from U.S Senators, Representative and state officials. The vast majority of American people want a two-state solution. The people of the United States have to have a stronger voice than the powerful Israeli lobby in this nation. After all, the average farmer from Nebraska could care less about who is lobbying who when it comes to this issue. That farmer wants a two state solution.
There will be a Free-Trade Agreement between Israel and Palestine and it will be structured in such a manner to make the co-dependent upon each other.
@Jay14-"Don't worry Stevo. Obama was competent enough to get Osama, so I think we should be alright" I do commend the pres on this action and I think that we should give equal credit to both his administration and the pres Bush's administration. Too many here-sayers are hell bent on trying to say that one administration deserves more props than the other. In all honesty, it really is the brave men and women of the U.S. Armed Forces that deserve the credit. They are the ones who have sacrificed everything they have so that peace between these two feuding countries (Israel & Palestine) is even possible.
Considering the length that former administration (Bush) went to to turn our tragedy and national defense into a political talking point they could exploit for re-election, I think it's only fair to now compliment the administration which did catch Osama. People on the far right, like Dick Cheney, painted Dems as being soft on national defense and used the boogeyman to scare Americans into believing that if you voted for a Dem we would be attacked again. The right wasn't saying our brave men and women will save us no matter who you vote for. They were saying vote for us or you will die when the terrorist exploit the Dems weak foreign policy. So don't try to throw the troops out there now. I find it disgusting that hiding behind the troops is the new political strategy. Obama can get credit without taking away from the troops.
Bush should not get credit. First the supporters of this theory are using flimsy connect the dots logic to try and salvage the line of BS that only a repub could properly handle foreign policy. They say we tortured some guy that led to some things, that led to some things, that led to some things, that might have led to Osama. Give me a break. Even if that were true, Bush KNEW where he was after 9/11. Bush chose to get side tracked on his mission in Iraq to find non-existent WMDs. Obama has said all along this was a mistake that let Osama get away and that we should reprioritize our military resources. In the election campaign he said he would go into Pakistan without their knowledge and get Bin Laden, just like he did. At the time he was criticized for that stance. Bush knew where he was and let him get away. That's like a guy knocking over a glass of orange juice and receiving praise for cleaning it up. He made the mess! In closing Obama got Osama.
Our Great Zionist New World Order is coming. DONT WORRY, American Puppets. You guys will be fine.
i just want to know how is it that america embraces israel when the faith of the jews is that Jesus is no prophet, son or what ever your church teaches these days. They believe that Jesus is an illegitimate child of mary but we have to keep them secure? this really teaches me something all these years.. tell americans that a duck is really a horse and everbody is raised to believe and teach that a duck is really a horse.....WOW! religion is what it is , but when you embrace a people who dont believe in Jesus, give them billions and want them to be your leader/president .....again...WOW!
The US Congress going crazy with Natanyahu, a pathological liar. This is pathetic. Natanyahu and Hamas are the real problem to achieve peace between this two Semitic brothers. They will never be peace while this two extremist hold the power. I know that many Jews and Israelis and Palestinians want peace but the media only covers this two extreme: Hamas and Natanyahu
All Politics aside, there is a difference between "good and evil" ....and until the Palestinians recognize israel, there is No need to talk !
EVERY LOSS OF LIFE DUE TO THIS SHOULD BE CHALKED UP TO OBAMA'S SPEECH! "Obama gives aid to the Muslim Brotherhood, the same orginazation that is burning churches in Egypt. He really is lost, giving away valued and needed money we can use in the U.S.A. to aid terrorists, who have already said all peace agreements are null and void. They are burning churches. How in the world do they get away with that and get aid? " YOU CAN DO SOMETHING, go to the links of life on my website, please share your idea's of how we can do more to make our voices heard and make a difference, together only we can make a difference. Bruce Applegate, MA Ed http://www.NewHeraldNews.com
Natanyaho wants the whole Jerusalem ,annexing the settlement in the west bank to Israeli state ,the RETURN of the Jews who left Palestine four thousand years ago, as he said to Israel according to his vision toward the Jewish State and no matter if the refugees WHOM HAVE BEEN UPROOTED only 60 years ago to EMIGRATE TO the proposed Palestinian state,then he is waiting the delicious and sweet peace.Isn’t it an ugly ridicule? Aren’t those who stood and clapped for him more ridiculous than him? I see it was better for him to advise him than to cheat and deceive him by clapping to these lies
Natanyaho says the Palestinians continue to educate their kids how to hate Israel).
I say that the Palestinian Refugees whom are scattered all over the world and those whom are under occupation are mistaken ,wrong and terrorists ,they should teach and educate their children how to love Pipi and ask God for a speedy recovery for Sharoon .Live and hear these wonders.
Natanyahoo said the Palestinian continue to educate their kids to hate Israel.}
And I say that the Palestinians Refugees whom are scattered all over the world and the Palestinians whom are under occupation are wrong,mistaken and terrorists ,so they should teach,and educate how to love Pipi and asking God a speedy recovery for Sharon . Live and hear these wonders .?/
Natanyaho says the Palestinians continue to educate their kids how to hate Israel).
I say that the Palestinian Refugees whom are scattered all over the world and those whom are under occupation are mistaken ,wrong and terrorists ,they should teach and educate their children how to love Pipi and ask God for a speedy recovery for Sharoon .Live and hear these wonders.
Imagine in the current time if France would want to create its own state in Michigan and separate it from the U.S. French are a minority in Michigan so democratic vote on the separation would not work because they would be outvoted by the rest of the Americans living in Michigan. So imagine if they had a historic opportunity when the U.S. is at its weakest and militarily occupy a part of Michigan and impose a regime where only French can vote and all the others who lived there cannot. Furthermore, the occupiers rename the occupied part of Michigan as the “French State” where not only that Americans are not welcome, but they are systematically expelled over time creating huge refugee camps in nearby states of Indiana and Ohio. Imagine then that at that point in history the artificial organization called the United Nations is full of French supporters and somehow that makes the occupation “legal” and Americans who fight for their homes in the occupied part of Michigan are labeled as terrorists. The occupation is a part of a careful log-term plan (i.e. Zionism) of acquiring land by French, so literally days after the occupation is implemented (what a coordinated plan!) the occupiers import millions of other French from all over the world to increase their population in Michigan from around 100,000 to over 5 Million in a short period. Then Americans resist and fight to regain the occupied part of Michigan, but Russia steps in, sends weapons, cash, and everything else the occupiers need to sustain the occupation.
What do you think all of us Americans would feel? We would hate French first, and then all of their supporters (Russia in this analogy) that make the occupation of our land possible. Still questioning yourself why people in the Middle East and other parts of the world do not like us? Because our Zionist controlled government, not the people, supported the very exact scenario as described above against our will and with our tax money making us accomplices in this unspeakable crime. The scenario that would outrage all of us Americans and make us fight against it if it happened in Michigan or anywhere else in the U.S.
This comment is not intended to make derogatory remarks about France and Russia. It is merely used as an example of how Americans would be outraged and fight back in the same situation as the forced establishment of the Zionist regime and its occupation of Palestine.
Urge your state representatives and senators to immediately stop any remaining support for the Zionist regime. Much of the support already stopped because of the increasing pressure on this issue, but we Americans need to completely distance ourselves from this oppressive regime and start actively opposing it.
Why would Zionists want to discuss any peace agreement with the Palestinians when they have overwhelming military supremacy, seemingly ultimate power, and apparently bright future? Because the future is completely opposite and Zionists know it.
1. All military powers in history with no exception ultimately came crashing down. Someone stronger always comes, and it does not take a rocket scientist to see (just look around you) this coming and not ending well for the current military power in Palestine. Forward-seeing Jewish people under the Zionist regime already started packing up and leaving for Australia, South America, and the U.S. before this occurs.
2. It is obvious that the Zionist regime survives mainly because of its external allies who so far provided it with money, weapons, political support, access to markets, etc. After countless U.N. human rights violations, killing of its allies’ citizens (search on youtube for American “Rachel Corrie” video of Zionist bulldozer crushing her to death), forging of its allies’ passports in acts of murder, etc. its former allies are increasingly turning against the Zionist regime. Who would want to be remembered in history as an accomplice in international murders and especially of their own citizens.
3. Not only that the list of remaining supporters is growing thinner, but an international coalition is formed and growing larger of countries that are cutting all economic and diplomatic relations with the Zionist regime.
4. No country ever survived a complete isolation from its neighbors. No person of the area currently under Zionist occupation can obtain any type of visa from any of the surrounding countries for any reason – a complete land lock.
5. Well attended speeches take place almost weekly at colleges and universities across the U.S. and the world condemning the Zionist regime, their remaining supporters, and companies that do any business there. These speeches are often lead by moral Jewish people, church leaders, business people, etc., in addition to traditional peace activists.
6. The West where most of the traditional supporters of the Zionist regime are located is loosing global influence. China, the Middle East, South East Asia, Russia, South America, etc. are emerging as new pockets of economic and political power where the Zionist regime has angered most of the population.
7. Not only that the West is declining, but Zionists are loosing political control in the declining West. Diversity is bringing minority groups into politics, groups that are actively opposing the Zionist regime.
In conclusion, the Zionist regime is negotiating now because its future is changing for much worse. It knows that it temporarily exists now only through the force of its arms and this will be short-lived. It knows that it is at its peak and a downturn has come. It is a mistake to negotiate with the Zionist regime at the present time. But, if you have to negotiate, do not accept anything less than a single region in question (single state) where all who live there are equal. Any other “solution” would just reward the Zionist regime at the time of its demise. If the Zionist regime wants true piece, let’s not make it dependent on Zionist political and land acquisition goals, but on democratic vote for all who live there and making everyone equal (something we Americans cherish so passionately).
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The main Zionist claim is that they have a supreme right to some of Palestinian territory because they lived there thousands of years ago. Let’s examine the core and real nature of this claim.
Firstly, this claim is mistaken and selfish in its core concept because Zionists fail to recognize that history is a continuum and that there were other people living in majority in Palestine before the Jews and also after the Jews. Zionists simply cut history at a convenient point for them and claim ancestral ties to the land as of that convenient point.
Secondly, whatever the claim, it is beyond absurd to try to shape modern world based on thousands of years old maps. Imagine if the rest of the world would be reshaped by who was on the land thousands of years ago. It would cause horrific wars, countless refugees, and unimaginable human suffering, exactly what is happening in Palestine.
Thirdly and most disturbing, Zionist goal was to establish a Jewish state wherever possible. Palestine may have been a preference, but Palestine was not the only location that Zionists planned as their state in modern times. Another location was Argentina where Jews have been migrating for hundreds of years for the purpose of establishing a state. Also, locations in Europe were on the list and that’s why the Catholic Church was killing/expelling Jews since Roman times (read the history of the Holly Inquisition). Whatever the location, Zionist plan was to simply occupy the people living on the land even if that would mean imposing a regime worst than Nazi Germany’s from which they escaped. And Zionists would just use a different ideological coloring than the one used in Palestine in the attempt to rationalize the occupation.
In conclusion, the main claim on which the Zionist regime is built in Palestine is erroneous, selfish, and a lie. I am categorically against generalizing, and recognize that many Jews are against the crimes the Zionist regime is committing and that many Jews are leading the global resistance to it. They should be proud.
All who oppose the Zionist regime please STOP calling it “Israel” Every time you do it you reward the occupation of Palestine. Name “Israel” implies a state on the occupied territory. Call the occupiers what they really are: the Zionist regime. This way, every time you refer to it, you will imply its temporary nature (the nature of all occupying regimes). Encourage your fellow comment posters to use the name Zionist regime as well. We must also be categorically against generalizing, and recognize that many Jews are against the crimes the Zionist regime is committing in their names, and that many Jews are leading the global resistance to it. They should be proud. I wish that they finally find piece wherever they choose to live (including Palestine) through a peaceful democratic process as opposed to the Nazi-style occupation the current Zionist regime is using.
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