We've just gone through an arcane debate about whether Barack Obama said anything new when he called for an Israeli-Palestinian settlement based on 1967 borders with mutually agreed upon land swaps. In fact, that has been the working assumption of all negotiating parties - America, Israel and the Palestinian Authority - for over 20 years. It is what the Camp David talks of 2000 were based on; it's what former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's talks with the Palestinians was based on.
The newsworthy and real shift in U.S. policy was President Obama publicly condemning the Palestinian strategy to seek recognition as a state from the U.N. General Assembly in September.
Instead of thanking Obama for this, Prime Minister Netanyahu chose to stage, in the words of the former Israeli diplomat Alon Pinkas, "Nothing less than a bizarre tirade at the White House on Friday, educating the president about the plight and the pogroms of Jews throughout history."
So why did Netanyahu do this? Does it help Israel's security or strengthen it otherwise to stoke tensions with its strongest ally and largest benefactor, Washington? Does such behavior further the resolution of Israel's problems?
No, but it helps Netanyahu stir up support at home and maintain his fragile coalition.
The real revelation, which has been picked up by many in the Israeli press, is that it shows finally that Netanyahu simply doesn't want a deal. He always has a new objection, a new problem, a new delaying tactic because, at core, he has never believed that the Palestinians should have a state.
Here is the young Bibi, 33 years ago, at a forum in Cambridge, Massachusetts:
"I think the United States should oppose the creation of a Palestinian state for several reasons, the first one being that it is unjust to demand the creation of a 22nd Arab state and a second Palestinian state at the expense of the only Jewish state. There is no right to establish the second one on my doorstep, which will threaten my existence. There is no right whatsoever."
Prime Minister Netanyahu's references to the indefensible borders of 1967 last week also reveal him to be mired in a world that has really gone away. The chief threat to Israel today is not from a Palestinian army. Israel has the region's strongest economy and military by far, complete with an arsenal of nuclear weapons.
The chief threats to Israel are from new technologies - rockets and biological weapons - and from demography. Its physical existence is less in doubt than its democratic existence as it continues to rule millions of Palestinians who are entitled to neither a vote nor a country.
Ironically, the young Bibi understood that it was impossible to keep the Palestinians in such serf-like conditions forever. Listen to him advocating that Palestinians should be given citizenship, either in Jordan or in Israel:
"In the event that this negotiation process will continue, I am sure that what we're talking about is, in fact, eventual citizenship of some kind, either Jordanian or Israeli or in any other arrangement."
If the Palestinians were smart, they'd take Prime Minister Netanyahu up on that offer of citizenship in Israel, and then Bibi would wish he had been for a two-state solution all along.
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The UN is a very different organization today than it was in the 40's...its original mandate has been hjacked by the failed arab league and the despotic african regimes along with the selfish russians and clever chinese. Dont kid yourself...the UN SHOULD be a body for good, but it long since stopped being that. It is now COMPLETELY corrupt.
Jon: +( The UN is a very different organization today than it was in the 40's... )+
But your contempt for the U.N. BEGAN in the 1940s! In the fall of 1947, for example, when Golda Meir and King Abdullah from Transjordan met and made a plan to carve up the second partition - the 44% of Palestine that the U.N. neglected to give you. You implemented that plan in 1948 in your so-called "War of Independence", then went on to seize West Jerusalem, ignoring the provision in Resolution 181 that called for Jerusalem to be an "International City".
Your propaganda depicts the 1948 was as aggression by the Entire Arab world against Poor Helpless Defenseless Little Israel. But all of the engagements in your war occurred OUTSIDE of "Israel" and INSIDE of the 44% you left to the Palestinians. That tells us who was attacking whom.
750,000 Palestinians fled from your terror. When the U.N. responded and asked you to repatriate or compensate the refugees (Resolution 194), you scorned that too.
You used the U.N. just as you used Carter. Then you flushed the U.N. down the toilet and laughed. You're laughing alone, these days.
Stop wasting your time cheering for third world religious mystics. If you want to break Jewish store windows, then just do it. Ernst Rohm was a flamer, and even he and his boys attacked Jews rather than let others do the work for them. True, Der Fuhrer had Ernst sucking on a Glock before very long, but it was fun while it lasted. You should emulate him in all aspects.
by the way ONE STATE, you never answered why the PLO was established as a terrorist liberation group in 1964 when there was no occupied territory. what were they established to LIBERATE in 1964?
Go back and read... also there was occupied territory. It was taken from the people who lived on it and given to people who claim they were there 2000 years ago.
Reparations for their leaders' pro-Nazi alliance during WW2. Accept what you are, it's the first step to healing.
the point is ONE STATE, that BOTH people have rights to live there...its not a "claim" as you put it that jews lived there 2000 yrs ago. There is historical evidence of it in many many different sources....the UN offered a partition of the land in 1947 to the palestinian jews and the arabs who yrs later took on the name, palestinian, which if you know your history, palestine was the name given by the romans to denote the land of the the jews....in any case, the arabs rejected the UN plan and the jews accepted it. The arabs left VOLUNTARILY after being advised to do so by the grand mufti, who was hitlers confidant and arafats uncle. Get it ONE STATE? They left voluntarily AFTER rejecting the offer for 50% of the land that in truth was really never theirs anyhow. Gaza in ancient times was their land....not judea, and not what we today call israel. Try taking history lessons...or does your jew hate not allow for that? LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jon: +( The arabs left VOLUNTARILY after being advised to do so by the grand mufti, ... )+
So the Ever-Evil Arabs "Cleansed Themselves"? How "convenient" for you Nazionists.
I'm sorry to find that you still believe in this fairy-tale. It was refuted about thirty years ago by the new wave of Israeli historians. You need to get up to speed. You'll find that the real world is a lot more interesting than the world depicted in your propaganda catechism.
Talk to some of your victims! History, as experienced by the victims, is very different from the "history" written by the ruthless victors.
The fact that you don't, won't, can't, shan't understand the connection between Jihad and European fascism from the 1930s up until now, the current world war of mystic warlords versus republics, tells us that the only problem with waterboarding you is that it dirties the water.
Perhaps "claim" was the wrong word (I wasn't there 2000 years ago). But the fact is that if your jewish you have the right to come back to a land that was lived on up to 2000 years ago, most left over time for the same reasons you claim the arabs left but ask any of the settlers what the last generation of family that was born on that land and they will not know. Israel pays jews from around the world to relocate to west bank settlements, but the arabs that you excluded were born on the land, their parents were born on the land, their grandparents were born on the land. It is exclusionary based on religion... It is hypocritical and bigotry.
Israel is one of two states carved out of Greater Syria, a territory once ruled by the Turks. When this regime collapsed in World War One, Lebanon was seen as a enclave for Christians, and the Jewish part of Palestine as an enclave for Jews. This religious based map-making was due to the intolerance of the Muslims, and nothing that happened in the next several decades disproves the theory: “All Islam vibrated at the news of our victories.” Adolph Hitler 1945
Lebanon is always on the brink of civil war because of their Christian/Muslim divide. Israel is is always on the brink of Muslim invasion. I suggest that you remove your pants and go to Gaza and tell them you want to be used as a human shield. New Age pacifist victims that they are, they'll figure something out.
Benny morris changed his perspective. As for illan pappe, everyone who knows anything knows he is a kapo. Both peoples had a right to emigrate to the jewish palestine. Both did. The pals REJECTED a partition plan, the jews accepted. The arabs made war, they lost , and ever since, have used amoral tactics to plead their case. I say, case closed. They want a state, they know what they have to do. buhbye.
Jon: +( The pals REJECTED a partition plan, the jews accepted. The arabs made war, they lost , and ever since, have used amoral tactics to plead their case. I say, case closed. They want a state, they know what they have to do. buhbye. )+
Not so fast! You recite your catechism then rush out the door and slam it in our faces? Why? Are you afraid that we will tear apart your lies?
Let's look at some of your lies and misrepresentations:
"the jews accepted" - the truth is that the Zionists (the terrorist invaders from Europe) promoted forced segregation only in public. In private, these fascists wanted everything "from the Nile to The Euphrates", as Ben Gurion said. The 56% of Palestine that Truman forced the U.N. to steal for the Zionists was to be only the first installment. Within days of the vote on Resolution 181, these racist killers began work on the second installment: stealing half of the remaining 44%.
Your capitalization of the word "REJECTED" tells us that you are just reciting the Party line. A THINKING person understands that rejection can be good or bad, depending on the context. E.g., I REJECT fascism. But you don't care about context. Your Party is so obsessed with demonizing "the pals" that it simply DELETES context and hopes we won't notice. It tries to make rejection BAD, in and of itself. That sleight of hand may fool you, but it doesn't fool a thinking person. You have turned yourself into a propaganda MACHINE.
If you were speaking as a human being, you would have to give the Palestinians credit for standing up to the duplicitous Zionist scheme. The Palestinians were honest; the Zionists were not. A human being CARES about things like morality and duplicity. Fascist PARTIES do not. Thanks for showing us your true colors.
"The arabs made war" - Again, you must think we're very stupid. The only person you manage to fool with this is yourself. To begin with, it takes TWO to make war. Sometimes we have two parties attacking each other; sometimes one of the two parties is defending.
In 1948, all of the engagements occurred in the 44% that was left of Palestine after you guys stole the lion's share. That means that you guys were the ones attacking. Arab forces, whatever the boasts of their leaders, were actually defending. They were shamed into coming to the defense of the Palestinians, who were being massacred and fleeing for their lives. Palestinians call this period the "Nakba" or "Catastrophe". It was the start of the "Refugee Problem".
One of the Arab countries, Transjordan, was actually colluding with you.
Zionists cover up their aggression by telling us that Palestinians fled VOLUNTARILY. What was that again? People VOLUNTARILY choose catastrophe? Who but a Zionist could believe that nonsense?!
"they lost" - That is all that matters to you? "Might Makes Right"? In that case, why do you complain about the "Holocaust"? As you yourself might say: "Jews lost. Case closed." Notice how much your ideology of brute force, forced segregation and tribalist glorification resembles the Nazi ideology?
"amoral tactics" - Is this a joke? Your regime has been murdering, massacring, ghettoizing and terrorizing several million people for the last sixty years, and then, when these people try to make their history known, you denounce their "amoral tactics"?!
+( The magnitude of American misunderstanding of the Arab-Palestinian-Israeli conflcit is suggested, in one example, by the little-known statistic that the total number of Israeli civilians killed in all acts of terrorism from 1967 to 1982 was 282, less than the number of Arab civilians killed in =one Israeli bombing raid= of Beirut on July 17-18, 1981. )+ - Cheryl A. Rubenberg, =Israel And The American National Interest=, p. 3
Just smuggle a bomb the way the drug mules do, and get it over with. The FBI will take you down and your police state mystics will show you mad love and then forget all about you. Salaam alaikum, in the name of the community, blah blah blah. Your life's been wasted anyway. Anyone who glances at your obsessed stream of consciousness clap trap could tell you.
DONT BE SUCH A DOUCHE BAG AND CALL YOURSELF "PROHAMMAS" INSTEAD OF NONZIONIST.
my my what a sense of history you have...indeed...a true revisionist.
There's just no arguing with anti sems that invoke the nazi comparisons...its classic..what is it? do all you guys go to the same school or same websites?
LOL
Plato's description of Palestine before the Jews got there describes a wonderful race of men, an average of six feet tall, handsome and fair, with hundreds of major cities and gardens, and a network of antigravity cars to carry their leaders to a floating palace in the clouds. They were all pacifist vegetarians and they practiced a kind of early Socialism, in which the government debt ceiling was unlimited and the money supply was continually expanding, and yet nothing bad ever happened.
Now we find the Palestinians are indistinguishable from the Syrians, or the Jordanians, or the Gazans, or the Lebanese, all of these who were their fellow countrymen 100 years ago. We find they are squat, brutish and short. We find them murdering their women for the crime of schoolwork. We wonder how this is possible, and we ask ourselves, could it be the Jews? But that's an unpopular question, now that so many Jews are dead, and we ourselves are Progressives. Ah, could it be the Zionists? So let it be written, so let it be done. Time to hail an antigravity car and be on our way.
Obama needs to separate himself from this guy He's not at all realistic and is leading our President on the wrong coarse.. It's clear he has an agenda
Fareed's been all right on other occasions.
AFTER READING THE POST OF NONZIONIST I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT HE REALLY DOESNT LIKE JEWISH PEOPLE SO MAYBE HE SHOULD READ THE WORDS OF A PROMINENT NON JEWISH AME
Written in 1968 (42 years ago) Do you remember Eric Hoffer?
He was a longshoreman who turned into a philosopher, wrote columns for newspapers and some books. He was a (non-Jewish) American social philosopher. He was born in 1902 and died in 1983, after writing nine books and winning the Presidential Medal of Freedom. His first book, The True Believer, published in 1951, was widely recognized as a classic.
Here is one of his columns from 1968. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?
This article was written 40 years ago!!! Some things never change.
*Israel's peculiar position – by Eric Hoffer (LA Times 5/26/68)
*The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other nations are forbidden to the Jews. Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is no refugee problem. Russia did it, Poland and Czechoslovakia did it. Turkey threw out a million Greeks, and Algeria a million Frenchman.
Indonesia threw out heaven knows how many Chinese and no one says a word about refugees.But in the case of Israel, the displaced Arabs have become eternal refugees. Everyone insists that Israel must take back every single one.
Arnold Toynbee calls the displacement of the Arabs an atrocity greater than any committed by the Nazis. Other nations when victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious, it must sue for peace.
Everyone expects the Jews to be the only real Christians in this world. Other nations, when they are defeated, survive and recover but should Israel be defeated it would be destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed last June [1967], he would have wiped Israel off the map, and no one would have lifted a finger to save the Jews.
No commitment to the Jews by any government, including our own, is worth the paper it is written on. There is a cry of outrage all over the world when people die in Vietnam or when two blacks are executed in Rhodesia. But, when Hitler slaughtered Jews no one remonstrated with him.The Swedes, who are ready to break off diplomatic relations with America because of what we do in Vietnam, did not let out a peep when Hitler was slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore, and ball bearings, and serviced his troop trains to Norway.
The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts, and Jewish resources. Yet at this moment, Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only to imagine what would have happened last summer [1967] had the Arabs their Russian backers won the war, to realize how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the West in general.
I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish, the Holocaust will be upon us all.RICAN:
Is there an example of "peace" with an Islamic country, anywhere on the earth, at any time. "Peace" is not an Islamic concept. The Quran demands war at all times. As the Messenger says, strike with your hand if you can, if not that then fight with your mouth, and if not that then fight with your heart, but that is the weakest manner. So striking with your hand, which is to kill or hurt, is the best way, so says the Messenger, may Allah bless him. There is no peace as a concept within Islam, and no Islamic state has ever been at peace or ever observed a peace treaty faithfully. It's forbidden by the Messenger to be at peace with infidels. What do you want Netanyahu to do? It's not possible what the Western media is asking for. Let us see them make "peace" with an Islamic group – it has no meaning, because that religion has no such allowed concept. you must fight infidels. At all times, in all fashion. You may not make peace with infidels. The religion is not unlike a virulent bacteria slowly infecting and destroying the world.
Go back to India you piece of crap.
You say muslims are terrorists?
Let me take your land, kill your children with the all the power and money given to me by the US, and see if that doesn't make you into a terrorist and want to kill me... You bunch of hypocrites.
You forgot to say Christ Killers. That's what's in your heart, even thought you claim to have a political argument, you're really obsessed about Christ. Put your buttocks against the computer monitor, and a giant fist can heal you right where you are. Hallellujah! Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hava, Read the Taylor Prism. The Jews were in Israel in 701 bc. According to the Assyrians king, there is no doubt about it. There is no "P" in the Arabic language, therefore the land which has been named PAlestine in the first century was not named by Arabs. Peikovian, The leader in charge at the time of Christ were Edomites.Historians say the same thing as the bible. It was Esau and Rome who put Yeshua on the cross, not Jacob/Israel. Careful study is much better then rumors.
The reality is Fareed is correct at a certain level the eventuality is going to be a one state solution either Republic or Confederate. This is not because both sides dont want a two state solution but because a two state is disastrous for the Muslim population... and because of that it will never give the Israeli's the kind of peace they deserve. The reality is a two state creates another Hamas-like entity without jobs or a future. Without the conflict the Muslims would be ignored by both their coreligionists and their liberal supporters through out the world who are now looking inward toward improving their counties. The Arab spring has solidified both a dislike for Israel but a similar dislike for countries spending their hard earned money on projects while their local economies fail. The Palestinians currently have highest per capita aid in the world and have nothing to show for it. Most seems to have been stolen, misappropriated or simply mismanaged. This is not a condemnation of the Palestinians but a condemnation on what a welfare state creates. Gaza and its Hamas ruled enclave is in effect on their own. I cannot see how they will ever be a part of Israel or for that matter a liberal democratic Palestine. They most likely will have to be part of Egypt or simply and unfortunately just be a permanent problem. The West Bank on the other hand should be granted some form of citizenship of their own choosing (Full or Republic City State Style). The "demographic threat" is both exaggerated and foolish. Israeli Muslims with guaranteed rights and representation would be both and economic and cultural boom for Israel and the whole region. There are of course may obstacles to this eventuality right of return, Temple Mount, compensation but this needs to be worked out to avoid a two state solution that will just be a GAZA East/GAZA west and multiple Operation Lead scenario in which no one wins.
A one-state solution is what Lebanon looks like today. The idea that the Christians of Syria would do better as the majority in the new state of Lebanon has been undermined by the changing demographics in that country. Christians were 80% of Lebanon in the early 1920s, but at present they are 50% at best. Constant civil wars between Christians and Muslims are what Lebanon can look forward to. They have made their external wars into internal wars but solved nothing.
I agree to avoid that issue civil war their has to bee an agreement with regards to rule of law. Terrorism will be tried as a crime, hording weapons outside the military as possession, etc. This process like most thing in the middle east will take decades but nothing built fast is ever built to last. There is always hope that that the Christian diaspora of Lebanon will some day return. Its a dream a but it would certainly change Lebanon's current state of being ruled via Satellite Militia of Iran. Quite frankly I think the Iranians are sick of supporting Hezbollah while their economy suffers. The future may not be guaranteed but there is hope that the Middle East will someday be able to achieve its potential Christian/Muslim/Jew alike.
Of course Israel does not want peace. They still dream of Greater Israel. And they count on American Jews to keep pushing the US into more Middle Eastern wars. So far they have succeeded and the US taxpayer as well as few thousand young men are paying the price. How long will Americans tolerate this abuse of their political and economical systems by Jews. How long shall the world keep being reminded about the plight of the jews and the holocaust. No one dares to speak up agaisnt Israel becasue immediately they are called anti semtics. Enough is enough. During the course of the last 100 years millions of people were killed around the world and no one seems to remember. But we keep being reminded abount the holocaust. If this exploitation of America continues the jews may well find themselves in a simillar situation as it was in Germany.
A nation the size of the US state of New Jersey dreams of an empire the size of New Jersey plus Rhode Island. Ha. If even that much. You want to see US Jews exterminated, the German brownshirts are your example, but that has more to do with the traditional alliance of fascism and Jihad than it has to do with its victims. When there is enough difference between Palestine and Lebanon, or Palestine and Gaza, or Palestine and Jordan, or any of these and Syria from which they were created, there will be a need for enlarging the borders of Palestine. Meanwhile the Palestinians suffer and they created their own suffering beginning in the 1920s when they began attacks on their Jewish neighbors. By the time of the Hebron Massacre and the Grand Mufti's Muslim unit of the Nazi SS, they should have known that moral retribution was coming.
Perhaps King Hussein of Jordan relinquished sovereignty over the West Bank because after 1970 he didn't want to negotiate with the PLO either, and he gave that problem to the Israelis.
I have to say that the way CNN editorial criterias are applied that reflects in a clear manipulative policy, in what muslims, islam are concerned is quite obvious and shocking. Even the way CNN withewashes and tries to downplay continuous islamic jihadist agressions against non-muslims and muslims alike,that are perpetrated all over the world, is shocking. I do not see CNN give any hope for saving the deliberate destruction of western civilization by and at the hands of islamofascist totalitarianism. Instead CNN plays the dhimmie card of a non-muslim media network clearly compliant to sharia, jihad, islam and everything that is evil, currupt and backward. Why you don't give voice to REAL democrats, to REAL humanists and to REAL democrats like Robert Spencer, Pamella Geller, wafa Sultan and many many other REAL critics of islam and islamic imperialism?!?Why aren't their voices heard?? Why do we only hear CURRUPT lying hipocrits repeating the samshameless LIE that "islam is a religion of peace",blah blah blah rubish?!?? Why are all and any critics of islam SHUTED DOWN like this?!?? This is not a media objective coverage, but a coward shamless pro- and pan-islamic organisation. I wonder why and how did the fascist CAIR has more voice in america than muslim apostates and critics of islam who are supposedly equal citizens?!?? I wonder why did the ramadaan of muslim have such a highlight on CNN but not the hindu festivals, budhist festivities ..not to forget EASTER celbrations..??? You guys think we are all stupid or something? That we can't see CNN pushing an islamist agenda down our throats?!?? Here are a few words to START showing you the destruction you are fomenting...from a very important REAL HERO:
Winston Churchil:Churchill wrote: "Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men's passions, and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination. But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance. It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness."
After 9/11, George W. Bush famously described Islam as a "religion of peace". Churchill entertained no such fancy notions. In his history of the Malakand Field Force, Churchill wrote that "civilisation is confronted with militant Mahommedanism. The forces of progress clash with those of reaction. The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace. Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed."
By the time his first book was published, Churchill had taken part in active service, fighting in Bangalore. He joined Lord Kitchener's army in the Sudan, and took part in the Battle of Omdurman on September 2, 1898. This battle took place in what is now a suburb of Khartoum, and pitted British troops against 50,000 belonging to a local warlord, Abdullah al-Taashi. This man called himself the Khalifa or "Caliph", and was the successor of Muhammad Ahmad. Ahmad had been the self-styled "Mahdi" (Muslim Messiah) who had beheaded General Gordon at Khartoum in 1885. The war in Sudan was a religious war. The region had been exploited by the Egyptians from 1819 to 1883. Originally the "Mahdi" had waged war against Muslim Egypt but, irritated by the presence of 150 British troops in Sudan, he soon declared Jihad (Holy War) against all Christians. The Mahdi himself had died of typhus in 1885. The Battle of Omdurman was not the last decisive battle in this war, but it signaled the last time a cavalry charge was mounted by British troops.
Churchill wrote of the Mahdi's jihad, the succession of the Khalifa and Omdurman in a two-volume book published by Longmans in 1899. Entitled "The River War: An Account of the Reconquest of Sudan", Churchill wrote on pages 248-250 of the second volume: ""How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
Israel needs to increase the number of Israeli settlements, maintain a secure border and a separation from MUSLIM PALESTINIANS, otherwise Israel will suffer the same way as Lebanon with its Muslim immigration. Lebanon used to be the wealthiest per capita Arab country in the Middle East with the most educated population, thanks to its Christian Arab majority although it did not have oil or natural resources. When Muslim refugees started to immigrate to Lebanon and became majority, the country started its decline becoming chaotic, political unstable, nest of terrorists, and a drastic decline in their social economical standards and values. The same thing could happen to Israel if it follows Lebanon' steps.
It's simple, really. The region was being redrawn after WW1 and Arab nationalists who wanted the British and French colonial regimes out chose to admire and join themselves ideologically with strategic ally the Germans. This took a shocking turn when the Germans no longer answered to the Kaiser but to the Nazis, polluting Europe and the Arab world with new forms of ethnic hatred, adding to the traditional Muslim contempt for minorities. The Arabs unless Western educated have attacked the Jews continually since the 1930s, but they fumbled, and in the process the Jews are still self-governing and the precise international boundaries between the Jewish state and the Muslim states remains in flux. Palestinians are a 20th Century political invention and are indistinguished from other Arabs in the region except for their usefulness in attacking the Jews politically when history is in between major wars.
America’s Fatal Love Affair With Israel Gained Us a Permanent War.
If we had followed George Washington’s advice in his “Farewell Address”, we would not have become involved in the “War on Terror”. I loaded his complete address in my blog and highlighted the parts that are of special interest to Americans that believe in the American limited constitutional republic type of government.
By intervening in the Israel-Muslim conflict, we created the conditions that started the American war with Muslim terrorists. Intervening in other countries always leads to war and enemies. Terrorism is the strategy of the powerless when they fight the powerful. The next step in this permanent war is that terrorists will detonate dirty or conventional nuclear bombs on the NATO countries and America. We have to stop the steps that are leading us to this end and change the strategy to win and end the war before it escalates.
Why are we providing Israel annually with $3.5 billion American taxpayer debt dollars? They are rich and can afford to defend themselves. Israel has nuclear weapons and a strong military; they don’t need our money or participation in this Israeli-Muslim conflict that has been going on even before the founding of Israel in 1948. Why are we paying Egypt annually over $1.5 billion in foreign aid? The American taxpayer is paying foreign aid to many nations, but Communist China has no foreign aid. China buys oil fields, mines and finances the government debts of the American and now European governments. China is obtaining real power and influence by following the policy that George Washington explained in his “Farewell Address” advice to the American people.
The global interventionist policy gained us Israel’s enemies. The terrorist attack on 9/11 is a result of intervening in a conflict that concerns Israelis and Muslims. Osama Bin Laden’s strategy was to draw America into conflict in the Muslim world to bankrupt us like what happened to the former interventionist, expansionist Soviet Union. The Afghanistan war and the many Soviet global interventions bankrupted the Soviet Union and caused its ignoble collapse in 1991. We have been playing Osama’s game since 9/11 and we are losing our wealth and power.
We get most of our oil from Canada and other suppliers that are not in the Middle East. The Communist Chinese announced last year that they now have a controlling interest in Iraqi oil and proudly announced the receipt of the first oil shipments. It is clear that they have a strategy of gaining real power at the expense of the follies of other powers. We are fighting a war against maybe 2,000 Al Qaeda terrorists without a military strategy to win the war. We just added thousands of new enemies by intervening in Libya. The Libyans that Obama killed have families. Every bomb that falls in the American Muslim war is financed by debt and is a nail in our coffin.
Roman Gil
http://roman-gil1.blogspot.com
They teach appeasement in those second-tier schools, huh?
Israel should be the state for all the Jews, and arabs living in Israel and land under the control of PLO. One Nation for all it's People regardless of religion, creed, nationality end of conflict peace in the middle east and why not??
Wow, I have read some pretty racist comments tonight!
All I have to say is that to deny, or attempt to marginalize the Holocaust is to also deny the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.
Yes Fareed, the Palestinians should take Netanyahu’s offer of citizenship in Israel. I will go even further, and call on all Palestinian REFUGEES, Christian and Moslem to start a peaceful march towards were they came from. If they are sick and tired of being denied their rights by Israel, and their cause exploited by the Arab despots in Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon, and let us not forget Iran and Saudi Arabia, add to that their corrupt Palestinian officials, they should seriously consider a peaceful march back home to create a new reality for all concerned.
The Arab Spring should not stop at the doorstep of the Palestinians refugees, and I don’t think it will. The moment has come for them to rise too. Yes!!! many refugees may loose their lives on the way back, killed in the name of protecting Israel’s border and it may be the price that has to be paid to resolve their refugee problem once and for all.
Just a thought about a possibility maybe no one has considered before.
We are all a bit tired of having this seemingly impossible conflict going on ad nauseam and causing eternal friction between Christian and Moslem countries.
1. Israel can't be defeated -they have atomic weapons.
2. They are NOT going to give back what they have taken by force.
3.Just a thought -the arab nations around that region have many millions of Square Kilometers of unused and unoccupied land.
4.Just a suggestion of an idea -anyone thought that maybe they could offer a chunk of land to the Palestinians to build their own state?
5.If that were possible the Palestinians could then walk away from Israel and leave them in peace and live peacefully themselves.
It is only a thought for a quiet Sunday from the UK!
For all the ron paul'ers and the so called new "realists" in american foreign policy, put this in your pipe and smoke it!
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/04/25/the_ultimate_ally
I am copying an e-mail, a reader (Maria) has sent me:
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Arab apartheid / Muslim apartheid are the largest 'apartheid systems', that exist today. All non-Arabs and/or non-Muslims are second class citizens. Among minorities that feel the wrath of the bigoted Arab-Muslim world are:
* Berbers (native N. Africans, before Arab invasion).
* Copts (indigenous Egyptians suffer from both: Arab racism and Islamic bigotry).
* Kurds (Examples include: [Saddam's] Iraq and Syria.
* Blacks, in Arab lands or in Arab ruled Africa like the genocide in the Sudan and slavery in both Sudan and in Mauritania.
* Asians, particularily in the Gulf Arab states. [Sex slaves or "plain" slaves).
* Maronites-Christians [Native Lebanese] suffer from both Arab ethnic racism and religious bigotry, like the massacres in the 1970s by local Muslims and by Palestinian/Syrian forces.
* Assyrians, are/have been being persecuted both racially and religiously. Still very much marginalized in Iraq, for example.
* Iran is not an Arab country but racism is huge against Kurds, Jews, Turkmens, etc.So is anti-non-Muslim bigotry against Christians, Bahai, Zoroastrians and other in the Islamic republic.
* Turkey is also a Muslim non-Arab country and Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and other ethnicities have been through much suffering, genocide. Still there's great wide racism againt non-Turkish ethnic grpups. Turkey's policy in Cyprus has also been recognized as a real Apartheid by many. All non-Muslims are automatically branded as "foreingers" at the "moderate" Islamic supremacy of Turkey.
* Al-Akhdam in Yemen.
* Gypsies in Jordan.
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From anti-Jewish Apartheid:
- The Arab racist apartheid against the Jews attempted genocide ever since the 1920s, (Like Mufti of "Palestine at his incited massacres, and Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood who called simply 'to kill Jews').
- Chased out a Million Jews in the late 1940.
- Has boycotted and demonized [every logical defensive action is branded "racist"] the Jewish democratic-free-equal-to-all state only because it's the "other". It is neither Muslim nor Arabs.
- The Arab racist world continues to play with Arab-Palestinians (grandchildren of Arab immigrants) like ping-pong against Israel.
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AND THE BEACON OF APARTHEID HAS THE AUDACITY TO CHARGE MULTI-RACIAL ISRAEL'S BEAUTIFUL DEMOCRACY [THAT OFTEN GIVES PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FOR ITS ARABS OVER JEWS] WITH THIS TERMINOLOGY?
THE ARAB DECEPTIVE PROPAGANDA MACHINE THAT ACTS AS IF ARAB-ISLAMIC GENOCIDAL CAMPAIGN IS NOT OBVIOUS TO DETERMINE ISRAEL'S EXTRA SECURITY MEASURES [INCLUDING AN ANTI-TERROR / ANTI-MASSACRES WALL].
As if we don't know the 'Arab oil lobby's power' over the UN, other major international organizations and some African officials to go along with the Arab propaganda.
Even promoter of the apartheid-slur J. Carter admitted on CNN: "I recognize that Israel is a wonderful democracy with freedom of speech and equality of treatment under the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis." http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/12/acd.02.html
Last but not least:
Isn't it true that the anti-Jewish "apartheid" slur campaign is" 1) to demonize Jews and 2) to hide the real apartheid practice by the Arab-Islamic world?
Mark Wagner put together a session for the K12 Online Conference on two-way teaching in the classroom using read/write technologies.
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