This week, we got a real insight into the way Barack Obama's strategic mind works.
From his campaign on, Obama has clearly felt that the United States has a lopsided foreign policy with too large a military commitment to certain crisis points on the globe.
He has wanted to rebalance American foreign policy to shift the focus away from the problems of the past - Iraq and Afghanistan - and toward the challenges of the 21st Century - the rise of China and Asia more generally.
This week he made good on those ideas, announcing a significant drawdown of troops from Afghanistan and effectively reversing the surge that began 18 months ago.
When he came into office, the United States had almost 200,000 troops engaged in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan.
By next year it will have half that number, most of them in non-combat operations. Some would wish this drawdown was slower, others faster, but Obama has basically made the right call.
The United States cannot disengage instantly from a war it has fought for a decade with allies from dozens of other countries, international institutions, and commitments made to those allies and the Afghan people. Henry Kissinger once said getting out of a war is not like switching off the channel on a television set.
I understand that General Petraeus and other key advisers wanted a smaller drawdown to consolidate the gains that American forces have made in Afghanistan. But there will never be the perfect time.
Afghanistan is a troubled country in which some progress has been made. But parts of the country remain unsettled, beyond Kabul's control and with some Taliban control. That would be true now; it will be true two years from now.
The Taliban cannot be defeated purely militarily. They will reconstitute.
At some point, you will have to find a way to bring them into the governing structures of the country. They are an indigenous force in Afghanistan, representing part of the large Pashtun community.
The much bigger problem with stabilizing Afghanistan is that the solution does not lie in the number of American troops or Afghan troops.
It lies with getting Pakistan - specifically the Pakistani army - to cooperate in this endeavor. Right now the signs in that direction are troubling.
There are signs everywhere that the Pakistani military has been infiltrated by radical Islamists who view the Taliban as their natural allies and the United States and the west as their natural enemies. This week, a brigadier general was arrested for his ties to the extremist group Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Last month, well armed militants stormed an important naval base in Karachi - an operation that clearly required internal help.
Also last month, a brave Pakistani journalist who had detailed this Jihadi infiltration into the military was tortured and killed almost certainly by the Pakistani Intelligence Services, which does deny it.
And, of course, Osama Bin Laden could not have been happily ensconced in a villa in an army cantonment without some help from some elements of the Pakistani military.
The Pakistani military has been trying to deflect attention from these problems by stoking anti-Americanism at home. It has been trying to cozy up to China. It has been trying to thwart or sabotage any serious investigation into its problems.
If it continues on this path - a path of conflict, isolation and geopolitical games - it will mean backwardness for Pakistan and it will mean no peace for Afghanistan.
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Negotiating not imposing is the way to go!
Next time you have a cobra visit your garden or in your house, negotiate with it!
But is a wannabe regional power the same thing as an unthinking garden snake? Regional powers are complex. Snakes are thoughtless simpletons.
Frudtem, it seems you are really stupid.
The taliban are also thoughtless simpletons Tamara. Murderous zealots as well. No negotiating with people who shoot women for going to the market without a male relative.
Yeah, but try a killing the cobra off, when it can regenrate itself and multiply itself with each regen...see what happens after the 100th times...I'll bet you're going to be looking for a new garden, or getting ur @$$ bitten to death.
BTW its us, who are in Pakistan's backyard... Who's the cobra now?
brits are good at negot!!!
Dumb response.
that is right – u kill the f**king cobra – just like a musila – u got to kill it – like i said before and i will say it again – an only good muslia is a good muslia.
Well Fareed, all I can say is that if Pakistan holds the key then you better get on your knees and start blowing. Oh wait, you are an Indian and already good at it.
People forgets when France thought they could negociate with Hitler and look what happened. They mutilate with no remorse their own people. I don't see why they would treat us better, unless we have them grasped by the head, like a cobra, a negotiation with them will be always played by them in their advantage. Fareed is incorrect when he says that we need Pakistan on our side. That is only one part of the equation. If we don't have the Talibans diminished, it will be meaningless all these 9 years of war and American soldiers life who fought bravely for our country. We have a job to finish and lets do it well.
Your anti-India rant in every post of yours shows you are in clear need of a realit check. You guys have yourself made your country a shit hole of this world and now looking to find excuses in kashmir, Palestine, etc. Pakis are as clean as the shit that comes out of you every morning!!!
truth hurts Pete. Stop whining. I am just stating the facts. You can work with people or you can think of them as slaves and force them to do things. I guess the white america still hasn't learned. All you can do is throw insults. By the way, your mama loves to eat this shit.
Wow. Zak as OJ once said in a hilarious broadcast: "YOU HAVE A FIRM GRASP OF THE OBVIOUS..."
"the United States has a lopsided foreign policy with too large a military commitment to certain crisis points on the globes."
Well, since I cannot FIND my own post here at "Sound Off", Then frack you. Perhaps if you were more helpful to your followers, then they would actually follow you.
Until then...Frack you
and...Frack you again
Frack you a third time
Keep on fracking!
OMG ..look who is even talking ... surely a F**ing paki ... oh dear I pity .. your whole f**ing country is on Food stamps and you have the audacity to comment on India.. lol. Send me your bank account (if you have one ) i can throw in a few dollars every month for you to buy some hallal meat ... hahaha
you must be tatti paki..i can smell you pple from miles away that stich
It is pathetic on the Pakistanis on this forum to blame or talk foolishly about Fareed Zakaria or on India. It is history that shows Pakistan lost all the wars badly which they provoked & fought against India. Now they are black-mailing the world with their nuclear weaponry and their Jihad by way of terrorism across the borders, particularly against India. Kashmir has lost 70,000 lives so far due to this acts of terror and they talk about their sacrifices against terrorism in their homeland of Pakistan!!, also known as a "Criminal Enterprise" rather than a country by the intelligentsia.
Now the entire world is aware that the roots of most terrorist acts lie in Pakistan. It is better for them to clean up their acts rather than blame the West or India or Israel for their pathetic state of affairs.
They must forget that Kashmir will be ever theirs. Once that happens will their condition at improve. If not a day will come that all the terrorist camps run by their chief mentor the ISI, will be forcibly destroyed by the powers that no longer will be able to withstand the non-sense that emanates from their soil.
LOL, blowing is a paki trait, gawandi randi mulk!
Pete: Look like that yo have a step father who is from Pakistan and you hates him, Not only him but also his country of Origin as well.
Ash: By the way there are two types of indians in this worlds. One Red Indian & Other is Black indian. Black indians live in Endia and they are the most malnaurished nation in the world. Please throw your few dollar which you have hardly saved to some indian account , may send it to your dad ghansee ram.
Like America does already you mean?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't AMERICA the one kissing a$$ to Pakistan by giving them billions of $$$ while they develop missles and harbored America's worst enemy?
Sounds like it's AMERICA who likes the taste of Pakistan's ckoc to me
At Thor: First war between India and Pakistan was in 1948, that resulted in India losing half of Kashmir. Since then India is whining but could never get an inch from Pakistan. In 1971, it was a political decision to separate Bangladesh for better governance, not a military defeat. Regardless, India did not get an inch of land from Pakistan, I don't understand which victories you're talking about. Also to remind you, India also lost against China and had to give good chunk of its land.
You are The One my man.
All you musilas can come up with are insults. While your country falls apart.
Good for you. Continue your path to failure. Even if all the Indians got on their knees – it will not prevent the path of self destruction that the Paki's are on.
Now that is what you musilas and pakis are good at!
For me it is f**ken funny to see all the musilas killing one another around the middle east – keep it up and dont listen to any advise, dont make any changes in your society because the rest of world might pass you guys by – first the Europeans did it, now the Chinese and the Indians are doing it. If it was not for the oil – most of the middle east would be worse off sub-Africa.
Continue down the path you musilas are on! The world need ditch diggers.
That is so true but we should have been there and wasted years of $$$ from our lying govt. Since 9-11 the people who blew up the world trade center were Saudi Arabians and the only ones allowed to leave our country the next day. We wasted trillions of taxpayer cash on lies. I never saw nor heard of one person from that country doing anything to us. Amazing what america could have done with that cash. Our presidents threw in homeland Security. Our job growth is in the govt. not private sector. We are turning into Socialists. My parents are rolling in their graves. Amazing
Don't listen to him. The guys name should be Fa-reak instead of Fareed. He's trying to start world war 3.
I do not know why CNN is keeping this stupid person. If we want to start word war 3 then he is definitely a right person.
The worse-case scenario for Afghanistan would be to divide the country into two blocks. One block for the Pashtuns, who can unite with their siblings in Pakistan, which, with approx. 16% of the population is a minority. Yet we witness the urge of the Pashtuns in Pakstian to form a country of their own. The other block is for etnies of Persian origin, that could become an autonomous region of Iran. Demographically speaking this solution is feasible. Four major ethnic groups dominate Afghanistan – Pashtuns over 40%, Tajiks nearly 30%, Uzbeks and Hazara, nearly 10% each. The other ethnies like Turkmens, Balochs etc are really minor.
The Tajiks speak Dari Persian, a language used by nearly 50% of the populace in Afghanistan, as the lanuages of many ethnic minorites are related to Persian.
So if dividing Afghanistan would bring peace to the region, the world should help the Pastuns gain statehood and the Tajiks and others autonomy.Karzai will never manage to hold the country together. Pakistan could live with a "Pashtunistan".
Fate of Afghanistan has been decided the very same day US wanted to negotiate with Taliban. Either dived in two or three it will reshape it self again with in few month.
J VON HETTLINGEN
you hit it on the nail. Only possible solution to Afghanistan problem is to create PASHTUNISTAN from areas in AFGHANISHTAN AND PASHTUN MAJORITY areas of Pakistan. This will ensure, Pakistan army will remain engaged with frankstein monster it created.
America then can leave AFPAK peacefully.
dear mr. Hettlingen, you seems to be a sensible, sane person on this board. We should thank mr. Fareed and CNN for their providing us with such a nice Sounding OFF platform. Pls let all of the readers of GPS see this valuable link- http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/27/relations-with-india.html – this is one of the best suggestions for the people of pakistan and india , to understand the real situation in their history and how to correct the mistakes of the past.
This pakistani newspaper journalist is writing that the sub-continent was not supposed to be partitioned. It was planned to have a confederation of all the states of the erstwhile british india. This way the muslim population would have remained under one UNION, but now after partition, it has been split into three equal parts. Thus weakening the muslims of the sub-continent.
Even now the USA, China, India and Pakistan can sit on a common table and discuss the ways and means to create a harmonious UNION of all the south asian states. This way pakistan will get its due status and respect on the world stage, by having friendly ties with all the south asian states and the whole world. India , Pakistan will not have to spend so much on defence. They can unleash their energies for economic development. China and Taiwan have over 150 billion dollars trade between them every year. India-pakistan-bangladesh can have a similar volume trade volume within a decade between them . Imagine visa-free travel in south asia like in the EU, and USA . Let us hope good sense will prevail.
The Afghan people do not want to divide Afghanistan. The non-Afghans should stay out of this kind of talk for it serves no purpose for peace and stability of Afghanistan and the region. The talk of dividing countries in the past has served the intertests of enemies of the countries so divided. Here we have some warlords who fear the loss of theri power and money and some foreigners who can gain control by diving and controlling. Afghans know dull well. The Russians tried the same dirty trics and they were defeated.
pakies are so messed up.. reason is marrigies between siblings and cousins.. they like to kill its in there blood..if they cant kill infdels they will start killing themselves ... example is pakistan
To correct you Pakistanis (Mostly the Muslims) never marry their siblings we do marry with causins. Let talk about you guys now an average American girl has 30+ boy friends and so as man. Chaces to marry with siglings and causins and even step mom and dad are more for you guys. Pakistan is not messed up , It only has debt of 60 Billion USD while USa has a Debt of 14 Trrilion (T for Trrilion) and average american owes hundred time more than average Pakistani owe.
@adnan ... kashmir was never taken by pakistan read history... 40000 SOLDIERS in salwaar kameez ur army dress code surrenderd to 7000 Indian soldiers and its recorded on camera and you can you tube it ..biggest surrender on face of earth till today...you guys try to come back again 3 times more and got beaten everytime.. india never attack pakistan so its in ur blood to back stab pple .. and then get ur ass kicked .. DAWN NEWS PAPPER june 26 reasons paks are messed up there blood line is mixed with crap cos of marrying 1st cousins...America invented half of stuff in the world .. these computers, phones,cars planes ..what did pak did?? just terrorism .. so dont try to compare ur debt with states .. as ur tatti country with tatto morons like you .. face to face you pple dont have gutts to argue about anything just computer kings and crying about India ..FOKING morons ..kutte salle
Freed has certain ignorance, or senile dementia, when it comes to reporting on UN declared occupation of Kashmir, and obviously has no neutrality or objectivity on subject on Pakistan / Kashmir or India, a True Indian citizen, else his family back home would be in trouble, remember the mascara of Gujarati's in India.!!!
what about gujrat??what about you paks killing sindhis and balcohies? minorities were 35% in 1947 and now less then 1%..muslims in pak killing others muslims.. deal with ur shiat before you blame India..you guys are direa in this world .. fcking retards and morons ..you lost bangladesh and soon we balochies will have our own country and India will help us .. f0co you paks keep crying and whinning like lil biatches
Negotiate with musila’s – that is just not possible – just look at their history.
Where there are Muslia’s you can kiss peace good bye. They can’t even live with their own.
Like Muhammed (may my shit be upon his face) said an only good muslia is a dead muslia
I am surprised that no one came up with amending the Constitution to require just ONE senator per state and cut the House of Reps by a fifth according to the state's population! That could save the country from more debt in pensions, etc. and help solve our financial crisis as well, while streamlining our government. I wonder if the Congress would approve that one? LOL!
Regarding your show today:
I find it very interesting that you want to have the very same people who oversaw the bankrupting of this nation and the change of our status in the world to that of a waning power, to now have them change the constitution “for the better”. I think until they can actually demonstrate that they can lead and manage this country in a responsible manner, we should probably leave that to future generations.
1. As to Iceland, a direct democracy may work well for 300,000 people of shared history and culture, but does not scale well to 340,000,000 people that are very diverse. Remember the tyranny of the majority over the few. Also remember it was the citizens of California, via direct vote, that decided to fund a high speed rail system from LA to Las Vegas at a time when the state was broke.
2. Which brings me to the second observation, the representative form of government that we have was intended to minimize the possibility of that tyranny by having the Senate to ensure that small State governments are not rolled over by larger State governments. This was true, until the constitution was changed via the 17th amendment which ended the right of the individual State governments to decide how to pick their Senators. With the 17th amendment the demise of States rights was initiated and the path to the tyranny of the Federal government over the States could be accomplished. The death of the Electoral College is just another nail.
3. As to the 2nd Amendment, I always have to smile when some “well to do” person or persons on TV (even sometimes with personal armed body guards), members of the elite class, tells me that citizens should not be allowed to own firearms. I live in a county that does not even maintain 24/7 sheriff patrols, I live over 10 miles from the closest (manned) sheriff station. We the citizens are 911. When a fire started in a neighbor’s home recently 911 was called, but it was another neighbor who cut a fire break and was the “first responder”. A militia, I think, is a diligent citizenry ready to serve the community, the country. I think our founders viewed that the citizen truly was the core, NOT the government.
Many of the anti-gun people live in cities, which are different from rural areas. Illustrating why top-down anti-gun laws are silly is the right thing to do.
Accept and follow Sharia Law. That is only way
Really? Stonings, amputations and honor killings are the only way? I beg to differ.
I'm guessing he was being sarcastic.
Count of MonteCristo, sharia law will take one only to hell.
Fareed should excuse from commenting on Pakistan because of his bias being an Indian. Why does he not question the Indian army lined up on Pakistan's border not allowing Pakistan to move the well trained troops to the Afghan border. Why is it that India which is so strong feel the need to half half a million men on the Pakistani border keeping Pakistan busy. Progress has been made in Afghanistan because all the terrorists were pushed into Pakistan. Fareed: have some courtesy. Stop being biased. You are like the Bill O'Reilly when you talk about Pakistan.
@ the One,
Whoever you are, India has a massive army build up along the borders with Pakistan simple because it has to guard a 1000 kms plus border from infiltration of the Pakistani army trained killers that kill innocent people in the name of Islam and Allah .... !
There will be no need for India to station such a big number of army personnel at the borders if Pakistani army had not run the 40 plus terrorist training camps across the borders.
The One, Fareed is a brilliant journalist, he is always neutral in his comments on any topic, he always states the facts as they are, it seems you don't remember, that it was Pakistan which waged war on India three times in the past, knowing that they are no match before the Indian army, therefore as everybody knows how badly they were defeated by the Indian army, India is a peaceloving country, but when it's security is threatened, or when Pakistan sends terrorists in India, naturally the Indian army has to act and in the process it always gives a crushing blow to the Pakistan army.
Fareed is nuetral? Since when? When was the last time he mentioned 35000 Pakistani civilians killed in bombings or the 5000 military killed fighting terrorists? Either you have your lips planted on his rear and hence can't see the light or you are an Indian. Pick one? Why is India hesitant to talk about Kashmir. The core issue. Why are there 17 Indian consulates lining up the Pakistan border in Afghanistan? Why is India putting so much money in Afghanistan and yet 2/3rd of its population live below the poverty line? If Indian army is so powerful, why does it not have the whole of Kashmir. Why it lost a third to China?
The One, you really need a reality check !!!! If you are in the U.S., get out of here along with your other Pakis!!!
@ the one,
The Pakistani army has lost over 2000 soldiers fighting one set of terrorists, while it provides cover for Afghan Taliban and the LET. This is what is called a double game and when you play double game you also have the blow back and do not ask for Farid's sympathy for losing 35000 lost lives.
Stop whining like a kid and stop blaming Farid for your own evil .......... !
Yes. I am in America. I am an American. How about you catch that Air India flight back to dilli.
Why so many hindus are migrating to USA and taking away US business to India in the name of outsourcing. Anway, one day the BLACK will buther them. Hindus only greedy of money they even don't like jews/christian. Never let Hindus dominate on US otherwise it will be bad for whites and black.
The One! Acutually I beg to differ that Fareed is biased. In fact he is simply ignorant and/or not qualified to comment on the subject. Fareed has no clue of the historical facts or the current geo political conditions. By stoking anger he is only doing favor to himself without regard to American, Indian or Pakistani intersts.
only army in world dresses in lady clothes salwaar kameez... fckin paki stinch is worse then crap .. .these dirty shits are famous for marrying there siblings and cousins thats the reason they are born retards as per dawn pakistan news paper... paks have to marry there siblings as no other race would consider marrying into shitty lifstyle or culture
You are such an Idiot. The simple fact that the world is such a shit hole is because of a stupid country like Pakistan. A guy who killed thousands of people was found hiding in your own background. Dont give the a stupid reason that he was not helped by Paki's. You send suicide bombers to kill innocent people in India and dont do anything to catch the culprits who are still roaming freely in Pak. And you talk cheap about India. You should be ashamed of yourself. Pakistan is a bane to this world and it would be a much safer place without that shit country and also shit people like you.
I sense that this Fareed guy is always bashing pakistan. I understand their are issues in Pakistan, just like every other country has internal issues. His love for India shows in his internal rage for Pakistan. Hard to find unbiased reporters these days. He reminds me of those "home town" sport announcers, that bash the other team throughout the whole game.
You're right. Because he is Indian, he should not be allowed to comment on bin Laden being caught and killed in Paklistan. If an American does that it's one thing, but when Fareed does he is biased. He should not be allowed to mention that Pakistan has doubled crossed the USA at every possible opportunity. What he lists about Pakistan has been reported by others already, but he should not be able to say it.
Pakistan has proven, one too many times, that they are not an allie and cannot be trusted. American policy will soon be changing to reflect this reality.
Edward, if the United Staes had not pumped billions and billions of dollars in the past and in the present to Pakistan and it's corrupted army, and rather should have used those billions and billions of dollars internally in the United States, then today the economy of the United States would not have been in crisis as it is today, when the Al-queda targeted the world trade center killing thousands of people, of different nationalities including Indians, so not only Fareed but any peaceloving citizen of any country has every right to comment on Osama bin laden being killed by the American Seals.
Same can be said about America and what it did to Pakistan. BFD.
Hope "only Super Power in the world" will fight to the end and "win" this war because american people are so so stupidly arrogant and proud and they think they are Best and most fair and reliable people in the world.....LoL.
I apologize for being too subtile with my sarcasm.
It just goes to show that a muslia cant take the truth. Freed has not said anything but the truth. Pakistan has done nothing but be a destablizing force in that part of the world. Now Pakistan thinks it can be friends with China – lets see how long that lasts.
As a commentator Freed should be able to say what he believes to be true. A Paki could do the same, or fail at eveything.
then call yourself a commentator. Not a journalist. 600K strong Pakistani army. They arrested one guy so the whole Army is radicalized?
hi stupid, the one, when Freed gives his opinion he states it. Do u listen that you stupid muslia – now go blow up something
Mian Hussain, mudhai lakh bura chahe to kya hota hai, wohi hota hai jo manjure khuda hotra hai, this famous saying was invented by a good muslim Mehboob Khan, if today majority of muslims worldwide would have been like Mehboob Khan and Fareed Zakaria, to name only a few, then this earth would have been more peacefull today, than what it is actually today due to muslims like you.
Excuse me mr.lachman. You have no right to think what kind of muslim i am. That being said that you dont know anything about me and how i follow Islam. So "muslim like me" phrase shows the ignorance and fail assumptions on your part. Thats ok, atleast you tried and thats what counts. Better luck next time sir.
Why cannot USA understand that Pakistan will never allow a pro India regime in Afghanistan and why should they. India has no reason to be there. It does not share a common border with Afghanistan. If the US cannot understand it then they will learn it the hard way.
@ Junaid,
Why don't you Pakistanis leave the Afghans to decide their own fate, and ask your Army to rethink its strategic depth policy ? You wll not because you Pakistanis know very well that the Afghans never liked you Pakis, never accepted the Durand line that divides the Pashtoons.
So why dont the 4 million Afghan refugees who have ransacked Pakistan just pack up and go away? Those ungrateful bastards.
I agree that the Afghans should decide their own government, not Americans (Rand / Kessinger) or Fareed Zakaria. If America was following this very logic, Karazi would not be called the Major of Kabul and the govt would have legitimacy beyond the very narrow area that is controlled. So yes again back to my point, Pakistan should not accept a govt in Afghanistan that is creating BLA and creating unrest in Pakistan.
why do the pakies have to decide what government should be in place Afghanistan. It is to the people of afghanistan whether we want to be pro indian or pro iranian. The people of afghanistan love india because they have never created any terrorist organisation just to infiltrate and kill other nations. If you people stop supporting these killers whome you call your strategic asset i think afghans will have a more favourable view of you than it is now.
Pakistan would not be involved in any way with Afghanistan if Afghanistan had not been invaded by the Soviets; America and Russia had not played out their Cold War in the country; Afghanistan had not had a series of Soviet-installed governments starting in the late 1970s, governments that were openly hostile to Pakistan; Taliban might not have come into being if the Soviets had not left their anti-Pakistan proxy warriors after leaving in 1988, and if they had not been in cahoots with India; and if Afghanistan had accepted and recognized the international border with Pakistan. And so on. You see where all this goes? But in the end I do agree with the general premise of your statement; that no nation has the right to tell another how to live.
Pakistanis should load up the 4 million Afghan refugees it is housing since 1980 on trucks and drop them into India since India loves them so much. Let's see how long that love will last then.
Dear Jalal. Pakistan cannot select its own government how can they select the govt in Afghanistan.
There needs to be someone keping a watch on Pakistan...otherwsie they will create a terror training camp in Afghanistan. Go India Go !!!
Go India Go. Go screw Pete's mama. The $2 whore.
Hey Pete. Maybe I shall inform you that in 1999 the congress got a bill to put India in the same category as Libya and Iraq because India had voted against US in more UN resolution than any of them... So think again ... Also what has India done for the US other than take away the jobs and when it comes to buying military hardware, they chose Europeans over US made planes.... Think again before you start hooting for India. America has done everything for India and India has done nothing but take away your job. ..... I will love to see you when your job goes over seas to India.
afgans are amazing pple .. these paks been fcking afgans for longest time .. as balochi we want freedom from these demons .. just wait and see when pak is divided .. and sindh and balochs can breath freely ...
@ Junaid it is the US that came here to India, because we gave them more profits, we haven't taken anything away from them, instead we allow them to exploit us for their profits, I mean they have to pay Pakistan money dont they???
Faredd is very naive and simplistic. One, democracy is not onernight event. It took the USA over 100 years to really get it right. Until the 60s Blacks were not allowed to vote in many parts of America. Fareed needs to remember that. Second, not everyone who says is an activists or an opposition is a democrat. Osama Bin Laden used to call himself an activist. The Iranian Mullahs used to call themseleves Democrats!! Hope Fareed remembers that whenever he jumbs on te side of anyone he says I am an activist or a democrat!!
every time that Fareed strokes his key pad,he types lies and propoganda for the obama administration. and every time that he has typed one lie or opinio after another,he has been proven wrong by the same al-qaeda terrorist that he claims to know so much about.
on May2,2011 after Bin Ladin was killed Fareed said "AL-QAEDA IS FINISHED" well they have proven you Fareed to be either a liar or an idiot a many of times sense then with a slew of killings. and how could al-qaeda be finished if america is defending them in Lybia as I type?
what ever CNN is paying you Fareed is TOO MUCH!!
Hey Fareed, since you have so much to offer Pakistan...crapistan....stinkistan...whatever. Why don't you relocate their and advise those peace loving muslims how to live their lives and while your at it, write there constitution for them. Your roach...a cockeroach....
As usual, CNN's resident Islamo-fascist is blowing bubbles out of his a$$.
Fareed is mostly right. However he does not understand the deep rooted fear and insecurity within Pakistans security and how it shapes Pakistans foreign policy.
A stable Pakistan is necessary for a stable Afghanistan..and to a lesser extent, India.
Neither Afghanistan nor India can do much, it needs to come from within Pakistans society, from its people, the media and finally the gevernment\military. And the first step is for the people to admit that they need to change without blaming others for their problems.
United States and Pakistan should have a serious dialogue on legitimate security concerns of Pakistan. This is will promote sustainable peace in the region.
Understand, Pakistan is an artificial nation, a polyglot of various muslim peoples previously incorporated into Britain's South Asian colonial empire. Because Pashtuns, Punjabis, Sindhis, and Baluchis don't really have a common nationhood, the country is alwaysin flux. Its one unifier since independence has been anti-Hinduism.
We need an ally that has some more consistency than that. Interest groups within Pakistan are always on the verge of turning on the U.S., because the place is politically unstable. We should not think of them as an ally, but rather a haven. Because of India's flirtation with communism and the nonaligned movement, we have historically looked the other way when Pakistan supported terrorists. We should tell them to either choose another path (anti-islamist but still palpably muslim) or be deemed an enemy. In the latter case, India and Afghanistan become natural allies, as do Pakistan and Iran. We then must support Baluchi and Sindhi nationalism. Either way, continuing the current relationship makes no sense. And addressing the inorganic, clanish Pashtun multination is part of the solution.
dear Dave, you and Fareed are 100% right. Pakistan is an artificial country , and most of the people there would be ready to move out if possible- the pakhtuns have not accepted the durand line, so there is a huge possibility of the pathans creating a separate country. Similarly Baluchistan does not accept the present pakistan dispensation. Sindhis hate the pakistanis more than anyone. So only the punjabis will be happy in pakistan. America and the UNO should help to make things good for the people of pakistan by taking over their nukes, and saving the world from terrorist attacks.
Dave & Frank,
Do not worry! Propaganda has already started in the major news channels. Sit back and watch the movie you have always seen- just different characters!
Did anyone of you hear about Pakistan Navy's efforts and successful release of 22 prisoners (which included 4 Indians, Sri Lankans, and Egyptians) from Somali pirates only a week ago?? No you did not, and many others did not either. You'll only hear things that fit a certain criteria.
"News is what we say it is"
Dave?? really?? or should I say your name is chundomithanmadarchodbhenchodganeshchod?
Nice going dude! Too bad all the obscenities in your post are in Hindustani, or they would have been filtered out... the least you can do is try to keep the conversation civilized...:-)
what insults. Isn't this your name?
Brain Washed..... mmm sorry, my bad I assumed the former
This is the sorry state of affairs with your country and cunts like you. Cant help but pity on you. May "ALLAH" give you peace and a head on your shoulder.
In the absence of foreign interventions in Afghanistan or Kashmir (including of course
Lashkar e Taiba), I suspect we would have little strategic interest in any of the goings on north of Bahawalpur.
MR ZAKARIA
IF YOU ARE READING THIS, AND WE KNOW YOU DO,
please always mention as a disclaimer in your articles that YOUR MOTHER WORKS FOR THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT !!!!!
Folks, is that not reason enough to never trust this man's journalistic credentials. his family is an employee of the archenemy of pakistan. an d he sits and spews hate on pakistan. golly gee, surely he cant ever have any bias towards that country?????
lovamerica, it seems you re out of your senses, therefore you should be sent to a lunatic asylum
hi lachman
why, because i pointed out that the reporter's mother is AN EMPLOYEE OF THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT, indicating an obvious bias from him for pakistan.
sir, this man writes about that country every week. every week, he spews negativity and incites hatred.
Mr Zakaria, for once, mention what they are going through for USA.
I give India 80% chance to kick Paki azz
@ love ( or hate ?) america,
There are perhaps thousands of Americans of Pakistani origin with family members working for the Pakistani army, so why single out Farid .... ? And Farid is not Pakistani madrasa educated but a Harvard educated individual now serving the US.
The 2.0 million Americans of Indian origin come as a stark contrast to most Americans of Paki origin, a large number being cab drivers, for example David Hadley ( aka Daud Gilani) son of a Paki diplomat, a cold blooded killer .............. !
While Bush and now Obama focus on China and North Korea, Pakistan has quietly become the greatest threat to our national security. China's economic ties with the US and it's increasingly modern and well-educated society puts us in an economic rivalry, yes, but we are not military foes. North Korea is a foolish child which will crumble if we simply wait out the ultimate demise of Kim Jong Il. Pakistan, however, is full of ill-educated and easily led Muslims. They also have working nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them.
Pakistan is the biggest threat to our national security? It may appear to you that way, but think more carefully. Next time think of a thank you note to the nation that played the central role in defeating America's biggest and most powerful enemy, the Soviet Union. Take Pakistan out of the picture and show me how you would have defeated the Soviets in Afghanistan. Was that worth something to America and the rest of the World? Think of a thank you note to the nation that has nearly 4 times more soldiers deployed in the war on terrorism than America's all other allies combined. Send a condolence card to the nation that has lost more soldiers in the war on terrorism than America and all its allies combined in Afghanistan. Have sensitivity for a nation that has lost many times more civilians in war on terrorism than America lost on 9/11.
Is Pakistan doing all that it can? I think not? Are some ISI and other government officials in cahoots with radicals? Almost certainly. But the battle goes on. Pakistan with it meager resources has done a lot more for the US than all other allies. Not perfect, not even up to expectations, but nonetheless a lot. And the sacrifices go on.
WELL SAID.
we as americans need to see are friends more clearly- haters like zakaria will always be around. dont let them change the ground reality. and the ground reality is that that country has beena FAITHFUL US SIDEKICK FOR 60 YEARS.
they were there for us through the cuban missile crisis all the way now to afghanistan.
If the ELECTED government of Pakistan wants true control and elimination of these terrorits, they need a dark night of long knives, as hitler did to clense his government.
Someone wise recently said "we need Pakistan MORE than they need us". Today Vali Nassir said it better than Freddie Zakaria when it was pointed out that good relationship with Pakistan must underwrite a successful retreat from Central Asia.
Freddie with his often good intellect/instincts started this argument well by saying that soon 600k Pak military will resume being the top dog in HinduKush\Central Asia...., then his "indian' instincts got the bettter of him. As an Indian he is still looking for that mythical phone call to Islamabad that will make them US client poodles that they should be (once again I am quoting Freddie the Indian!!!) But reality is far cruel than this dream my Indian friend fareed aka freddie.
You see, when someone knows they will be regarded by historians to have prevailed in yet aother battle in Hindukush in less than two decades they tend NOT to kowtow to exiting armies. US will eventually regain it Yankee spirit and do fine it is India and Northern Alliance who are twice losers. Perhaps that is what has freddie the indian worried. So he has decided not to wait for Obama to threaten Islamabad and issued his own ultimatum here of isolation and backwardism for Paks. I am sure the Paks will stop their incipient victory lap to ponder this dreadful warning by Freddie.
Fareed is indian, and has to take take of it. Muslim or not, Indian Muslims have to live the Indian dream or not live at all.
Someone wise recently said "we need Pakistan MORE than they need us". Today Vali Nassir said it better than Freddie Zakaria when it was pointed out that good relationship with Pakistan must underwrite a successful retreat from Central Asia.
Freddie with his often good intellect/instincts started this argument well by saying that soon 600k Pak military will resume being the top dog in HinduKush\Central Asia...., then his "indian' instincts got the bettter of him. As an Indian he is still looking for that mythical phone call to Islamabad that will make them US client poodles that they should be (once again I am quoting Freddie the Indian!!!) But reality is far cruel than this dream my Indian friend fareed aka freddie.
You see, when someone knows they will be regarded by historians to have prevailed in yet another battle in Hindukush in less than two decades they tend NOT to kowtow to exiting armies. US will eventually regain its Yankee spirit and do fine it is India and Northern Alliance who are twice losers. Perhaps that is what has freddie the indian worried. So he has decided not to wait for Obama to threaten Islamabad and issued his own ultimatum here of isolation and backwardism for Paks. I am sure the Paks will stop their incipient victory lap to ponder this dreadful warning by Freddie.
Today Karzai said Afghans are just like other people and want peace. So are Paks. They want peace and perhaps a self-determnation for their Kashmiri cousins so they can politely ask their Indian occupiers to go back to India.
Maybe there is a reasonable give and take possible for all here. maybe...........
Pakistan's sacrifice in the 'war on terror': 34,000+ human life, $50B+ in economic loss! Please bring this to reader's attention for once Mr. Fareed. The day US leaves Afghanistan, there will be peace.. in all of Asia. Afghanistan is the heart of Asia- If there is no peace in the heart, the whole body is in pain!
"The Pakistani military has been trying to deflect attention from these problems by stoking anti-Americanism at home." This is an extremely serious charge, Farid. What evidence do you have that this is an official policy of the Pakistani military? Whatever its shortcomings -and those are many- the Pakistani army has done a lot for America, and continues to do so.
It is disappointing that you so frequently and with such focus, week after week, bring out Pakistan and its military as if they were the devil incarnate in that region.
"It has been trying to cozy up to China." There is no need to to cozy up to China; that even took place over 4 decades ago, and justifiably so. China is Pakistan's best friend, and that fact is never lost on Pakistanis. Would that America and Pakistan could also be best friends! Why that has not come about, given that after independence in 1947 Pakistan cast its lot with America, is not clear to me. And I am not sure the issue has been thought about deeply by either side.
gjc, China can never be any country's best friend, if anyone believes that then that person is living in a fool's paradise, China is a very ambitious country, having evil designs on almost all south east Asian countries, can't you see what happened to Tibet, can't you see that it has occupied large chunks of Indian territory, cant's you see that today it wrongly claims Arunachal Pradesh which is a state of India, as it's own territory.
China can no less be a friend's friend than any other nation, nor an enemy's enemy than any other nation. I am sure China has interests with Pakistan. Likewise for Pakistan. But nations always have interests, and those interests almost invariable determine their friends, as well as define those friendships’ limits. In as much as we define friendship in that context, China has been a true friend to Pakistan since the 1960s, and remains so. Does that mean they haven’t wronged anyone? Of course not. But by the same token, who is to say that India has not wronged any one. It saddens me that two rising giants in Asia have animosities. I am not up on the true nature of disputes between India and China, but I do wish them the best to resolve those. Sooner the better.
Fareed needs to stop trying to set policy through the back door. His biases are so evident.
this guy is clearly anti-Pakistan. i don't have any idea why can't CNN hire some neutral reporters?
Amir this guy is a brilliant journalist, who has the guts to state the true facts, I don't think personally that CNN has any reporter like Fareed's credibility.
a dollar says lachman is a north indian of uttar pardesh descent who is loving every minute of this pakistan bashing from a fellow indian
Farid Z. is a anti pakistan bengali piece of craaaa....x . Cannot have this type of idiot on liberal and independent news outlet. CNN is also NOT FAIR and BALANCED.
Pakistan is a extremist cesspool dump with no future. Sharia law? Sure follow man made commands from a book of fiction and their imaginary master. Makes total sense.....
MR ZAKARIA,
ONE OF THESE DAYS, YOU WILL BE SUED FOR INCITING HATRED.
you are an indian national, with your family still employeed by indian government. WHY DOESNT CNN SEE YOU FOR THE BIGOT THAT YOU ARE???
ANY ONE AT CNN READING THIS??? HELLO???
AGREED, pakistan is screwed up, with a devious intelligence service. but 30000 pakistanis died for USA over the last two years. they continue to be our mule for this fight.
SHOW SOME RESPECT FAREED.
We need a leader with a mustache – no more clean shaven guys – we need a mustached President who will inspire us to great deeds of nationalism and restore this mighty country to it's rightful place as ruler of the known universe. Time for a centralized authoritarian dictatorship. Government employment of the young in the YWA – Youth Workforce Army. Pain relief only for the aged and sick but not treatment.
Whether we get out today or in another 10 years, the result will be the same. The Taliban will take over. Let the Chinese have Afghanistan. Islam will get along real well with Chinese totalinarism (sp).
is pakistan that powerful that america cant seel afgan border and maintain peace in afganistan after spending so much money and time?
Why don't we reconcile and see what is good for the common man living either in Pakistan, Afghan or India or any country. Why are we fighting based on country. Arms sellers, paramilitaries and politicians are never going to think about common man issues. Being born in India, I love Paksitani, Afghani or any human being on this mother earth. Let peace and love be supreme.
Shut up and close ur mouth hole..Due to people like you India gets attacked again and again
This is the perfect time for world to capture Pakistani Nukes. Shut down ISI and Pakistan Army by bombing them to stone age..India should sneak in 100 miles into Pakistani territory after this operation and create a DMZ. Likewise make Baluchistan independent and let Afghanistan create a DMZ 100 miles in to Pakistani Territory. No miitary or intelligence service for pakistan from here on and bomb them till each and every paki terrorist is killed.
Patt Jatt buddy we only need to defeat the Paki military not reduce them down to stone age, once their army is gone, we need to cleanse the horrible religion and destroy all their so callled holy scriptures and their mogul mentality and reintroduce them to the religion they once followed before the moguls ruled India, Afghanistan is going to be owned by India no matter what.
Afghanistan is a symptom of Pakistan. Declaring your strategic objective to be the stability of Afghanistan, rather than Pakistan, is completely backwards.
Carrot-and-stick coercion of the Pakistanis towards this pointless end will simply de-stabilize that country. Given that the Chinese have a Muslim problem of their own in Xinjiang, we could walk away from the region and leave the Chinese with the whole mess. They would be plenty motivated to prevent Muslim nukes proliferating.
Sometimes, you have to seriously consider whether doing less achieves your objectives better.
snipawa
this will fix u right up
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Saying Pak is key to afghan peace is like saying burglars are keybto stopping burglary.
Well, actually, somewhat easier said than done. Islamabad has just under 100 nuclear warheads, likely spread across the country. It's one thing to sneak up on a hideout in Abottabad and shoot a terrorist. It's another thing entirely to simultaneously disable multiple launchsites before a finger can push the button. But yes, I do agree that Pakistani (and therefore, Indian) nuclear capacity must be reduced and the sites concentrated into more secure circumstances within those nations. Unfortunately, those nukes are about the only thing keeping Punjabi hegemony free of foreign interference, so Islamabad isn't too motivated to give them up.
Time to take ALL the money we give to Pakistan, give it ALL to India in military aid, and wait for the next earthquake, flood, aids epidemic to hit Paki and tell India to go gettem.
What ppl really need to do is to say I got heart and I'm bout live my peaceful way and do great things for others cuz life is short we got mother nature to worry bout instead of dealin with all these bullsh!t
I like to Paki fudge.
We all know that Pakistan is the future of South Asia. It has been bogged down, by design, by its neighbors and so called allies across the pond for the past 60 yrs+. It will soon unleash its economic growth powered by its industrious 190+ million population with a high percenatge of educated english speaking people. My prediction is that 15% GDP growth is attainable within the next five years. BTW Fareed Zakaria was in diapers when Pakistan and China established a strategic realtionship and brought along USA to that mix. Of course there is no Afghanistan solution without Pakistan and, you know what, this time around the world will not be able to poor boy Pakistan as they have smartened up and learned they were short changed in the past.
The U.S.A is preparing to abandon Afghanistan once again. hahaha! Die humans!
Fareed SHUT UP ALREADY.
Fareed is right. As predicted, Pakistan will be left again picking up the pieces just like 1989.
Dismantle pakistan into Baloch,Sindh and Pashtun lands. and remove all the nukes from there. Pakistan is an artificial
state created in 1947 by ethnically cleansing 25% Hindus who lived there. And for last 30 years the population has been fed up with Jihadi materials even from 5th Grade in Govt. school by Zia ul Haq. So even the supposedly learned one's from there are anti west , anti israel , anti India, think themselves as Arabs ,except for a small set of liberals. Most of the people supporting Pak in this formum are from this education system.
Before you dream about breaking apart Pakistan. Keep in mind that bhaRAT has 200+ separatist movements, more than any other country in the world.
It was you bhaRATis who introduced nukes to the region, we developed them in response. Pakistan's nukes aren't going anywhere.
You ugly black bhaRATis should stick to drinking your precious Gau Jal and dirty excrement infested ganga water.
In the meantime, I'll have a Pakola.
Cheers.
Anything is better than killing woman for going to school and putting suicide vest on 8 year old kid.
I think it is better for you to watch the Pashton girl dancing video and cool down hot head.
You should have ur Pakola with camel urine, just like ur prophet (pbuh) advised!
Oh and here are the links to prove why camel urine is in such a high demand in some countries like Yemen, where pious muslims are not only drinking it, but also applying to their body and hair, just because their told them that it has medicinal properties, as recorded in their most well accepted hadiths. (Sahih Bukhari).
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/CultureAndMedia/?id=1.0.2330334132
Another f*cking copy and paste from a Paki Jihadi. Just watchout for that lawn-mower sound; if could be another US drone over your head, molesting your "Ghairat".
I HAVE THE SOLUTION TO THE AFGHAN TO THE AFGHAN WAR!
All Afghan girls should be like her:
The war would be over if they could be.
cool man
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fareed the muslim apologists rides again!
Obama, who fareed shills for, had a foreign policy that stressed outreach to muslims, which to this point, is an abysmal failure. Iran is his 3AM phone call and to this point, so far, he has ignored it. Sanctions are really only meant for domestic political purposes..they wont accomplish a thing in the real world...if he doesnt deal with iran, our whole world is in trouble. Pakistan is a big problem, which obama will not solve..why? because they HATE americans, period. Obama has pissed off the saudis, jordan, elements in lebanon, pakistan, afghanistan, and his "unshakeable" ally, israel, as well as the czhecs and the poles. China has played him like a fiddle, and the russian team of good cop bad cop has also played him for the inexperienced chump he is...
the fact is, the world is a dangerous place, and not even obama's charm can change that...much as he thinks he can, it wont....the world's biggest issue is islamic radicalism and its support from arab governments. If there is a grand bargain to be made, obama has to make it with russia and china, letting them do what they want in their sphere in return for agreement to roll up all of the double dealing scumbags arab extremists and governments.
Fareed is nothing more than a glorified suited jihadist, much like another obama friend, rashid khalidi.
This is from a respected daily from Pakistan.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/26/how-to-fight-back.html
Pakis in this forum what do you say for this. Instead of crying foul against Farid and saying India is amassing army in your East , fix the real enemy within you as given in this Article. For that first unlearn what was taught in your schools with doctored curriculum, and understand you guys were Hindus/Indians 500-1000 years before converting mostly under duress just like people in Spain who corrected course later. Dont think/act like Arabs,Turks. Now open the http://www.dawn.com and read the articles posted daily there. It is one of the saner voice from Pakistan. Religion is just for getting some inner peace and not for conquering the world with Sword and Guns.
Pakistan didn't exist before 1947, but neither did India. There has never been an ancient state called the "Indian Empire" as "India" is an exonym and a general term for the region first given by greeks and later used by Arabs (Hind).
If you look at a map of "India" through the ages, you find that there were only 3 period when the lands of India and Pakistan were united: The Mauryan Empire, the Mughal Empire, and the British Empire. Two out of three of those are instances when "India" was ruled by outsiders. Throughout most of history, both before and after Islam was introduced to the region. The land that is now Pakistan was either its own state or was incorporated to whatever state lie to the West.
Your comments about us being hindus before Islam are dubious. The region where I'm from never had a Hindu majority. Before this region was Muslim, it was made up of Zoroastrians and Buddhists. The only region of Pakistan that was made up of hindus continuosly historically is Sindh. I'm not against being part of our history including our pre-Islamic history, but Islam is part of our culture and history and it will remain that way. The minorities in Pakistan can do what they want Jinnah envisioned.
Zorastrians are more from Persia to my Knowledge and Buddhism is an Indian religion ,whose most of the converts were Hindus. There was no state which was unified during the medieval period in such size. The idea of india is more than physical ,it represents a culture, a way of life. There may be minor differences but if you see still there will be a shred of cultural uniqueness running from Afgahanistan to India's south most tip. That is why the Western people called this land as India en masse and Arabs called it Hind. Islam is only a religion and it is not a culture. People whoever think Islam as a culture is following the Arabic culture. From AF to Swat,Punja,sindh,Baloch or Bengal the culture is Indian with minor changes and altercations. People simply call it Tamil culture or Sindhi culture . But when you observe it closely they are very similar. I dont hate people of Pakistan, because you are our own. I only condemn people who are having Jihadist mindset.
Jinnah never envisioned a Pakistan which suppress the minority and killing in the name of religion,He was a moderate and had western values but if he was alive today, he would be on a wanted list by the Talibans
Enough of needless pontification. Pakistan suffers from the A-llah A-merica A-rmy (AAA) infection. As a failed state its major export is radical Islamic terrorism. The only thing I cannot agree with Fareed is that Pakistan should be bought back to the discussion. No, we should not get Pakistan in the discussion. India is a weak country and thus following the aftermath on the Mumbai carnage, masterminded by the ISI, India still gets a discussion going when there is no reason for such to happen. What should happen is relentless areal bombing of Pakistan so that only the dead is left walking.
Pakistan has failed as a state because it was a selfish creation. It divided the muslims in the sub-continent. 150 million muslims in bangladesh, 170 millions in west pakistan and 200 million muslims in india. What kind of animal is this? The 200 million muslims of india are not too happy with pakistan. It is known for terrorists, suicide bombers, and intolerance for minorities. Soon the baluchis, sindhis and the true pathans who have not accepted the durand line will break off from this suicidal state.This might be the best thing to happen to south asia. Congrats to Fareed and CNN for this excellent coverage to support OBAMA"s view-points.
Oh, yeah! Well, I would not get shamed if I heard the remarks of which Pakistan holds the key to peace in Afghanistan from Afghanistan President.
Pakistan is NOT the key to anything. In 2003 when Bush and Cheney abandoned our troops in Afghanistan with no mission, no leadership, no strategy and few resources in order to invade and loot Iraq, the outcome of the war in Afghanistan was decided: we lost. The best thing we could do now is to a) let the Taliban have Afghanistan so that Karzai and his entire corrupt and incompetent family will be hung from the lamp posts while b) letting Afghanistan and Pakistan know on no uncertain terms that our nuclear weapons are trained on Kabul, Kandahar, Karachi and Islamabad and that if Afghanistan- and/or Pakistan-based terrorists attack us again, we WILL retaliate.
Fareed often sounds like apologist for Obama. He should be independent voice which is badly needed.
Pakistani prolem is created partly by USA through its policies over last 60 years. If USA wants to solve it Pakistan will need lots of economic assitance to prosper. Agriculturally there is a great potential and good help can do lots of good. It can reach to right people. Second area is education. America through UN or other agency build lots of schools needed. We are talking about a trillion dollars over 10-20 years. It soudns lot but it may be cheaper in a longer run than supporting Pakistani military. Thirdlyresolving Kashmire issue by acceptance of permanant border between India and Pakistan. These are tangibles and affects ordinary people. Ultimately Pakistan has to trade with India to sustain since its is closest and natural market.
Wow. Zak as OJ once said in a hilarious broadcast: "YOU HAVE A FIRM GRASP OF THE OBVIOUS..."
"the United States has a lopsided foreign policy with too large a military commitment to certain crisis points on the globe."
Wow, talk about radicalism. Please, take a valium. Think for a moment, why is Islamabad anti-India and strategically islamist? Not because of border issues with Sindhis. The border issues in the Rann of Kutch were driven by oil ambitions, but oil wealth doesn't benefit Sindh. It goes straight to Islamabad. How about religious conflict? Nope. Sindhis are Sufi, and not very into Islamabad's Salafist jihad. Sindhis aren't the source of the problem; their colonial overlords in Islamabad are.
So, this all boils down to Punjabis and their historical issues with the division of historic Punjab between India & PAK. (Kashmir is a proxy for the same issue.) If you extract Baluchistan (which then becomes an Iranian issue), the Pashtun diaspora from Afghanistan, and politically inert Sindh, you are left with the PAK Punjabis and their Khyberstani splinter groups. And their militarism all boils down to a friction over postcolonial Punjab??? All this over that lil' patch of ground ??
WOMEN SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS
They should all be forced to wear scantily clad outfits and dance in front of men for money.
like her:
Filthy feminists like RAWA are on foreign payrolls.
I don't know whether Zakaria is delusional or is rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic, but Pakistan is not the key to anything other than misery and perfidy. Pakistan is a cloaca of the worst kind of corruption, theological madness, and political dysfunction. Oh, and yes, they hid OBL and they have nukes!
Pakistan isn't the key to anything other than a slow inescapable descent into h e double hockey sticks. The best thing to do is fence off the whole nation with mines and concertina wire. Containment ! Then Afghanistan can get back to being itself again, and so by the way can India and the US of A.
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If you depend on pakistan to resolve the Afghan problem, Mr Obama your slip is showing,., they are the most treacherous people on earth,. their only interest in Afghanistan is to reduce Indian Imprint and make Afgahnistan as their strategic base, that was the reason for propping up Taliban. But we in Afghanistan will not tolerate any pak presence anymore.
Fareed is ugly and his opinions are biased. CNN news has become garbage and not news worthy.
Pakistan is the exporter of terrorism for example the LeT and all of various terrorist party which are linked to ISI
uh oh! looks like Pakis are furious with this article....lol, they came in full force & trying to divert the topic, as usual. Looks like Pakis are the bitches of USA & China. They would do anything for the money being thrown at them by US, even allowing US drones to kill their own citizens. So, they cannot do anything, but keep spouting lies whenever they are caught with their pants down, cozying up with Pakistani Taliban. But when the same facts are said by Fareed, all they can do is abuse his appearance & his country of birth (comfortably ignoring the fact that he is a muslim & an American citizen now). Whatever, it again proves that these shameless ppl don't hesitate to take it in their a** as long as money is thrown on them by US. US has to be careful with these back stabbers!
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It is kind of funny watching the Indians and Pakistanis bashing each other, but consider for a moment, if the British would not occupy the Indian sub continent how the political structure of this region would look like today? Maybe Indians and Pakistanis would live in the same country?
I wrote this blog about Afghanistan in 2008, but still it seems to relevant in 2011.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/NK1/gGxq7r/commentary
@ cassy, with time both the nations shall join one another and become one, then they shall tackle the Afghan problem, its not going to happen immediately it shall take a while, the second thing I'd be worried about is how to rid Paki and Afgan of Islam.
During British Rule in India, channel of trade with outside world of dry fruits, Pashmina Shows & other items were through 3PL logistics connecting to Karachi Port which disappeared after formation of Pakistan cutting away life line of Afghanistan nearest & safest port. To make the best use of Afghanistan commercial compulsions, ISI & Pak Politicians tried to capitalize the Soviet attack on Afghanistan by radicalization & Talibanisation of Afghanistan joining both countries within geographical interdependence & further cementing with similar Islamic faith which could not be accepted by tribal leaders as they have different culture & alignment to adjacent countries.
"Pakistan holds the key to peace in Afghanistan" Really?? Mr. Fareed, thank you so much for enlightening us. So we spend multi trillion dollars, thousands of US soldiers dead, countless Afghans and Pakistanis killed and now you say "Taliban cannot be defeated pure militarily" Were all the wise men sleeping since the last whole decade? Shouldn't we have learnt lesson from Russian adventure? Mr Fareed, on one side you are 'declaring' Pakistan holding the key and on the other side you are bashing it. Are you confused or out of your mind? Are you even serious about the peace in Afghanistan? BTW who even gave the advice of involving indians in Afghanistan. Its their presence and involvement that Pakistan will never accept what we are trying to do. Time to throw out indians from Afghanistan and make peace with Taliban. After all its the decision of the people of Afghanistan and its bordering neighbors who get affected.
@ X2,
When Farid says Pakistan is the key, it means screw has to be tightened on Pakistan in order to get results, not simply wasting tens of billions of tax payers' dollars in military aid to Pakistani army that has gone down the drain.
If you think the Americans can throw India out of Afghanistan and can buy peace with Taliban, go for it .... ! The Indian and the Afghan people have historical good relations which will not go away regardless of what an American would like to think.
Learn from history. Pakis are ethinc Punjabis & Sindhis who were defeated, conquered & raped by arab invaders. The arabs took the paki women to their harem and circumised the Paki men and made them accept a h0rny arab pedaphile for a prophet and also changed their script to arabic. After centures of rape and foricible taxation the Pakis have accepted the bedouin arab culture to mark their surrender to invading arabs. Today all Paki heroes are foreigners(Ghori, Ghaznavi) who scrwed Pakis ancestors and Pakis have even named a city after their arab rapist Qasim LOL! If US wants the Pakis to be its servant just do what the arabs did to them. History does not lie. Just give more islam to Pakistan and it will ensure its own death.
Well, Fareed, this is so much an old news that is not even news worthy! May be Obama should bow and apologize to Pakistani's. This time Obama should take you with him so you can bow and blow hard with him!
Give up your big ego Dude..better use of US $ and life is not bowing...see my post here.
The best thing for US to strict the visa policy for Pakistan & Afghanistan and spend that war money for education and economy...This nation building wars and winning hearts and minds are costly and not just achievable.
It's been clear that the Pakistani government has been an enemy to the United States since the beginning of the war. They want the Taliban to control Afghanistan because they want an ally to their west. They don't want a puppet-country controlled by the West to be knocking at their front door. Their diplomatic situation with India has forced them into this position. They can't afford to have enemies on both their flanks.
There are nice people in Pakistan. However, Pakistan as a country is a very evil place. Minorities have been greatly eliminated in this evil country. We need to stop all with this evil entity.
On the show 'Meet The Press' broadcasted on 6/26/11. New Jersey governor, Biggie Chris was interviewed. He said, "we went in and murdered bin Laden." As yet, no one has called him out as to why he said Obama murdered a man.
Biggie,Biggie,Biggie can't you see; some of your words can traumatize me...
Why couldn't all Afghan girls dance erratically while singing songs about getting drunk....
like her:
The war would be over if they could be.
Amrullah Yousafzai in Mingora,Swat, Pakiland
You really are fond of your sister aren't you. Shit be upon you and your phoney prophet.
Stick to your ugly black gorilla faced HIV-infected blackies.
And don't forget to drink your Gau Jal and take a swim in the excrement infested ganga like a good bhaRATi.
Fareed, are you kidding me? How can you put out material like this?!? Saying Pakistan is the key to ANYthing is like saying Osama was the key to American prosperity. Holding out an global embarrassment of a country, one that is mired in violence and poor leadership, as having the potential to shape the peace agenda is first, ludicrous, and second, seemingly contrived by you to someone fashion your reputation as a journalist and editor. So, forget Pakistan. The key to peace in Afghanistan – the KEY – is the Afghani people. period.
What an amendmet to fix the Puerto Rico problem. The one and only colony in this part of the world. The Paris peace treaty give to the congrres the responsablity for the status of the native of the Iland. No statehood and no independence. What then ? Over one hundred years of nonicorporate terrytory (colony) The Costitution has to be amens to permit PR Free Asociate State, and let Puerto Rico do bussines with out interfirine making Puerto Rico a Nation in a Nation with permenet asociation with USA.
I apologize to my Indian brothers for my insane behavior. It is deeply troubling to accept that my country sponsors terrorists that have killed Hindus and Jews. My country lost all wars with India, especially 1971, where we signed surrender papers. We sponsored terrorists bu Indian economy went up 2000% but Pakisatan wenr into hell hole. We shot ourselves I our foot, mouth and behinds. Sorry India we are no match for you. We lost and will loose every time.
Laughable point.. you are kidding... you are just a joker... if you think pakistan can do that. then you must be start selling ice creame in your block....such an idiot person you are.
Sorry you'll, I am really a Cow Pizz drinking indian who comes from a land that has more begger than the entire Pakistani population. And yes, we suffer from big egos and live in a dream world created by Bollywood while much of our population is starving and living like slum dogs!
Zakarai, you don't belong here. Go back to your muslim roots and stay there. CNN, you need to fire Zakarai – he is useless.
Another hate mongering hindu! It is people like you that bring shame to the Great Indian Nation.... Go drown yourself in cow urine.
Well said Zakarai! This dude is a Muslim hater and root cause of whats wrong with India, to many hate mongers.
And you drown yourself in camel piss just like your phoney prophet suggested (SBUH) – i.e. shit be upon him
Not a single comment left above can be considered as reasonable as this topic demands.
we balochies need are freedom from this coward pakistan ...
Afghani's and Pakistani's are brother from the day first. The Only problem in Asia is INDIA. And only problem in Middle East is ISRAEL.
Paki has to be wiped off the map, as it was created by the British and was not really meant to be there, I really do not understand why India has even allowed Mulsims to live there, what was the purpose of even having created Paki, but I guess time will tell when war breaks out and nobody can help paki, their military shall get defeated in an hour.
"And, of course, Osama Bin Laden could not have been happily ensconced in a villa in an army cantonment without some help from some elements of the Pakistani military".
Nice propaganda,same way those US Choppers could have infiltrated that villa for almost an hour without being fired upon.
Peoples are educated & aware of everything in Muslim world now. Media has no credibility anymore. See new map of Pakistan.
Now that you have finished playing video games, go and clean your backside!!! You madrassa educated have nothing to be proud off except exporting terror to the world !!!
Why should we take over lands filled with ugly black pissdrinking HIV infected bhaRATis?
Pakistan is still duping all of us. I've been saying this for years...Pakistan is THE main reason for the failure of the war in Afghanistan. With a friend like Pakistan you don't need enemies.
We should thank CNN and Fareed for warning us about the duplicity and lies of the pakistanis. They are the most dangerous and most hated people in the world today. The UNO and America should have occupied pakistan, and disarmed their toys- the nuke weapons. The world is not a safe place until we take out their nukes.
Joe & Bob:
Check my response below.
you are the most biased anchor i have ever come across im my life.
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Both nations need Bibles in their own languages and literacy education to read the Bible. The literacy rate is pitiful in both nations. Only the Bible makes one fights back against tyranny, injustice and addiction. USA, you can't make unthinking people your reliable allies. Why have Americans become so stupid? Secularism's effect.
Zelda,
You must have read a lot of bible, I am amazed at how smart you come across in your post. Keep up the good work, double up reading those bibles.
From what I heard on CNN Spitzer show, Fareed gives advice to President Obama in private sessions. I hope Obama doesnt consider Fareed an expert on South Asia, or worst, a scholar on muslim world. Problem with smart guys like Fareed, they stop questioning their conclusions as they start believing in their intellectual abilities. Fareed, remember there are several dimensions to any given fact and you seem to have found a view point on Pakistan that you use to filter all your thoughts. Just as Taliban wont change, Pakistan is simply not going to allow its western flank with Indian influence as it is against its national security. This is not Pakistan military, run a poll and you will find a total national concensus on it. If US want Pak support, this is the starter and barring that, rest is all song and dance until US leaves (which it will) and Taliban resotres status quo (unfortunately). Any analysis on Pakistan without considering the larger picture will at best be half true, as is the case consistently with Fareed's point of view. BTW Fareed, you are not that smart either.
Fareed, I keep telling you that you need to get your head out of your keister. CNN should fire you, you are obviously a sleeper cell implant.
I disagree. Pakistan is not key to peace. Pakistan is key to terrorism.
Mr.Zakaria is right on in his analysis. However, while ANTI-AMERICANISM IN PAKISTAN even if deliberately STOKED by Pakistani Military, THE FIRE OF HATREDNESS FOR AMERICA, ISRAEL, and INDIA & IN SHORT THE ENTIRE FREE WORLD has always been there amongst A VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORLD's MUSLIMS be they in Pakistan, ME, India, or even the US & EUROPE!
Putting aside POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, this WAR OF CIVILIZATIONS between ISLAM on one side and the ENTIRE WORLD ON THE OTHER will continue as long as the Muslims themselves don’t change and stop blaming the west & Israel for all their owes, adopt a policy of live & let live while discarding their belief in the SUPREMACY OF ISLAM & MONOETHEISM, stop treating every real & perceived problem faced by Muslims anywhere in the world as impacting Muslims all over the world, and MOST IMPORTANTLY ADOPT to nations that they have migrated to of their own free will and FIRST CONSIDER THEMSELVES CITIZENS OF THEIR ADOPTED HOMELAND & only after that as Muslims!
We have not seen that change from 622 AD until this day, and there is very little likelihood that will ever change.
Unfortunately, even the ‘so-called’ highly educated moderate Muslims incl. Mr. ZAKARIA who are in a position to influence such a change are NOT doing their part but behaving nearly the same way as their Madarasa educated brethren laying the blame for all the communities' ills at the doorstep of the US, Israel and much of the free world.
Amit-Atlanta-USA
Joe & Bob:
I entirely agree with you. If you look at our Pakistani friend Harry's (!!!) clip we know they will NEVER EVER STOP at anything.
The one & only way we can DEFANG THIS ISLAMIC MENACE is by SPLITTING PAKISTAN, SEIZING THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS, and ALSO LIMITING UNADAPTABLE MUSLIM MIGRATION INTO THE US & EUROPE (contrary to Mr. ZAKARIA ill-advise to let more of them in, in the GARB OF BUILDING BRIDGES between the west & the Muslim world......something that can NEVER HAPPEN!) .
NOTHING ELSE WILL WORK.....................PERIOD!
Amit-Atlanta-USA
amit, dude
YOU ARE THE REASON INDIANS ARE REVILED BY THE WORLD.
YOU ARE THE REASON PAKISTAN IS BUFFERING UP ITS DEFENCES.
SUCH HATRED.
DUDE??
look at india. they are sucking our resources.
INDIA IS THE NUMBER ONE FINANCIAL DRAIN ON USA. AND WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT PAKISTAN.
we have lost more to india then any other country.
INDIANS BURN CHRISTIANS IN THEIR COUNTRY FOR CONVERTING.
INDIANS KILL THE POOR FOR BEING LOW CASTS.
AND YOU ARE ANGRY AT PAKISTAN??
DUDE, STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE.
Check out this video from Mr. Imran Khan one of Pakistan’s leading, politicians with a huge support base among the educated, urban, and “so-called Moderate Pakistanis”. A careful review of his message shows that Mr. Khan (and his Pakistani elite) inspite of being modern in his outlook, articulate, western educated, formerly married to a Christian British women etc. is “in reality” no more different from the Islamic radicals he purportedly opposes (just the way Mr. Zakaria does)!
coz of you how many americans are jobless here in america? you indians work at cheap price...and misleading people... you cheap indians are actual reason of rescission..go back to india....
Who ever associates with Pakistan will violently run away from it, check Bangladesh now Balochistan, Pakthunwa, Sindh etc. Pakis are only bigots from Punjab with their epicenter at Muridke.
ZAKRAI IS AGAINST PAKISTAN ANY WAY HE DONT HAVE CLUE THAT WHAT IS GROUND REALITY OF PAKISTANI ARE HE JUST SIT ON CHAIR ON CNN AND SAY WHAT EVER HE LIKE TO SAY NOT BASED ON REALTY JUST TALK TO TALK TO TALK PAKISTANI'S ARE VERY VIGILENT AND VERY COURAGED NATION PEOPLE LIKE ZAKRAI SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF BEING MUSLIM AND TALK ABOUT A MUSLIM NATION THESE ARE ONLY MY VIEWS ABOUT HIM
Truth and Pakis are explosive mix, bring them together at your own peril.
Your IP address is going to mental hospital.. you must be the cheap indian "dr" there.....
How easy is that. Do not stop US funds to Pak, else it will irk them and they will kill innocent people. Send more F-16's to Pak, else they will bomb US embassy's across the world. Do not tell them to stop the terror in Afganistan else they will not help in peace. WOW. Didnt know that black mail could be so easy.
I do not understand one thing why does US think that they can trust Pakistan when they know the history of that nation. A nation which has harbored terrorism and let it grow, a nation which is the birth place of many terrorist organizations. This leads me to believe that either USA does not understand the Asian region (example how did Taliban come into existence) or they are so selfish or narrow-minded that they can do anything in the pretext of saving their country and do not care if they create a threat to the other countries by doing so. To protect their interests they can go to any extent, that is why they do not force Pakistan to stop all the terrorist organizations in POK, as these organizations are being funded by the aid that USA gives to Pakistan, which the Pakistani government do not have guts to acknowledge. After all this if USA still feel Pakistan can be trusted then it is their misunderstanding about the region which will haunt the entire world in the coming future.
Such vitriol. Look, the basic problem is simple: the population of Pakistan was dense in Punjab from the start. It has doubled since 1970. The preponderance of the population are under 20 and largely (15%) unemployed. That's a recipe for instability. They've been migrating from the country to the cities and are then frustrated when wealth does not appear. Deal with it. Go back to the farm, raise wheat and rice for internal consumption and cotton for export. And for goodness sake, stop making babies so rapidly. You cannot support them. Don't be surprised if life is not exciting for you; it's not supposed to be. And stop fantasizing about military glory. Just pick the darn cotton.
I read through several of the comments, incl. the most generous one from our friend RAJ PATEL.
THE TIME FOR REFORMING PAK IS LONG OVER, IT's A ROUTE THAT LEADS TO MORE OF THE SAME.....BACKSTABBING & CHEATING.
IT's TIME TO DIVIDE PAK & SEIZE THEIR NUCLEAR ASSETS B$ THEY SUCCEED IN THEIR EVIL PLAN OF BRINGING DOWN THE WEST< INDIA & ISRAEL.
Read this GREATEST BOOK ON WHAT PAKISTAN IS ALL ABOUT.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/EBOOKS/pfs.pdf
Also read this GREATEST ANALYSIS on WHY PAKISTAN CAN'T EXIST AS A UNIFIED NATION.
http://www.ciponline.org/asia/reports/pakistan_the_state_of_the_union.pdf
Amit-Atlanta-USA
Amit, you seem to be foaming around your mouth. Why are you so angry, is your wife enjoiying the Pakistani meat sausage? Your rage seems to be personal.
Before you think about dividing Pakistan, keep in mind that your glorious bhaRAT has 200+ separatist movements, more than any other country in the world.
If you want to take our nukes, do it yourself, don't try to get others to do it. In case you forgot, we only developed nukes 15 years after you bhaRATis did, so you have yourself to blame.
Bringing down the west?? I certainly don't like many parts of the west's foreign policy, but Pakistan has had good though somewhat inconsistent ties with the west for 60 years. During that time you black ramrams were allied with the enemies of the west and now you act as though you've always been their friends.
But of course that doesn't matter as the West will love the brilliant indi-genius invention of gau jal, which was created by the brilliant bhaRATi scientist.
Now go off and drink your gau jal like an ugly black bhaRATi ramram, and take a swim in the excrement infested ganga.
In the meantime, I'll have a Pakola.
Cheers.
fareed is not saying truth, he is playing politics. he is trying to pretend as an american, although born in india but has pakistani mindset. pakistani army is untrained or trained by talibans, not by british. british and american trainers are in pakistan to train pakistan army. instead pakistan is throwing british and american trainers. pakistan wants to control afganistan to face india. but afgans are true friends of india, they will pakistan and china and india will be always in the picture to face pakistan, to protect afganistan. and prevent chinese colonialism of pakistan. farred is muslim first, then an american or indian. his loyalty of his new country is doubtful.
Why would Afghans want to be friends with you ugly black pissdrinking bhaRATi ramrams?
in the long run, afganistan's security and pakistan's survival lie on india , not on china or u.s.a. u.s.a has been kind to pakistan all these years, but pakistan has not reciprocated this properly, instead arresting people, who helps u.s. cia to catch the terrorists because pakistan wants to shelter terrorists to fight afganistan, india and u.s at the cost of her sovereignity and survival due to natural instinct of self destruction due to interpretation of their religiuous faith. eventually pakistan will be a part of civilised country under india's influence.
It is now an undeniable fact of life that Pakistan is an unreliable nation. It is too corrupt and too backward in it's politics and governmental system to have the responsibility of possessing Nuclear weapons. If the worlds most wanted criminal can set up shop within kilometers of a military academy, if young men can get shot in the streets for petty crimes, of six Taliban insurgents can storm a naval base, if a country that incompetent is allowed to be a force of "power" within such an unstable and volatile region of the world – then something needs to be done about it. Otherwise it is only a matter of time until the nation implodes from corruption, poverty and poor economy.
I hate that my country aids them billions upon billions of dollars just so they can go squander it on ineffective counter terrorist strategies and building up an army in order to keep India in check. India doesn't give a rats ass about Pakistans army. They are more concerned with more modern endeavors, such as building an economy, educating the masses of their citizens, and living in a secular nation. This is why they are taken seriously, whereas their Pakistani neighbors simply cannot. And the unfortunate part is that Pakistani people are not bad! The average Pakistani is not an evil person. They are not terrorists. They are just misinformed by overzealous and misguided institutions that are trying to promote an agenda that cannot exist in this modern world.
They can't be taken seriously with all the chaos and lunacy going on on their streets. Stop focusing on building anti American sentiment and start focusing on preventing radicals from assassinating your political leaders and blowing up city squares. India isn't scared them, they're laughing at them and I'm sure to some extent, feel bad for them. They are the same people after all.
The United States has to and will continue to impose it's presence and use whatever influence it has to secure it's own interests there. It has to, as a superpower – that's it's main job. To secure it's very own interests first, followed by it's allies, followed by everyone else.
As for Fareed – he's an Indian by race but an American by nationality. And by trying to discredit him because he was born in India does not change the fact that what he is saying is true. Pakistan is a threat due to it's instability and corruption. The scary part is that nobody but themselves can clean them up.
Now we wait to see if they can have a civil rights movement and adapt to live with the rest of civilized society OR implode. I hope it's the prior rather than the latter.
MY FRIEND
PAKISTAN WAS STANDING BY OUR SIDE FROM 1960 TO NOW, WHILE INDIA WAS COZYING UP TO RUSSIA ALL THROUGH THE COLD WAR.
lets not let india mislead us on friends. remember, the whole world is watching.
so they have their issues. we all know that.
but 30000 of them have died for a war that is clearly not theirs.
their only fault, they refuse to let india consolidate in afghanistan, which is right behind them.
its like us giving up mexico to china. you get the idea.
that country has been our sidekick for 60 years.
WE ARE LOSING 2 BILLION TO PAKISTAN???? WE ARE LOSING 2 TRILLION TO INDIANS EVERY YEAR. HALF THE PEOPLE JOBLESS IN USA ARE THANKS TO THESE INDIANS.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY MY FRIEND.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
your talk like a lunatic and uneducated person of not knowing yourself and not knowing your country and unable to face facts.
TO AMIT.
amit, dude
YOU ARE THE REASON INDIANS ARE REVILED BY THE WORLD.
YOU ARE THE REASON PAKISTAN IS BUFFERING UP ITS DEFENCES.
SUCH HATRED.
DUDE??
look at india. they are sucking our resources.
INDIA IS THE NUMBER ONE FINANCIAL DRAIN ON USA. AND WE ARE ARGUING ABOUT PAKISTAN.
we have lost more to india then any other country.
INDIANS BURN CHRISTIANS IN THEIR COUNTRY FOR CONVERTING.
INDIANS KILL THE POOR FOR BEING LOW CASTS.
AND YOU ARE ANGRY AT PAKISTAN??
DUDE, STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE.
PAKISTAN WAS STANDING BY OUR SIDE FROM 1960 TO NOW, WHILE INDIA WAS COZYING UP TO RUSSIA ALL THROUGH THE COLD WAR.
lets not let india mislead us on friends. remember, the whole world is watching.
so they have their issues. we all know that.
but 30000 of them have died for a war that is clearly not theirs.
their only fault, they refuse to let india consolidate in afghanistan, which is right behind them.
its like us giving up mexico to china. you get the idea.
that country has been our sidekick for 60 years.
WE ARE LOSING 2 BILLION TO PAKISTAN???? WE ARE LOSING 2 TRILLION TO INDIANS EVERY YEAR. HALF THE PEOPLE JOBLESS IN USA ARE THANKS TO THESE INDIANS.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY MY FRIEND.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
LOL, US madrasa now spreading another lies, favourite subject with such conspiracy theories. Did your moron Zaid Hamid vist over there on Friday? Sorry forgot they never get visa anyway.
indians are Cheap labours.... killing our business here in america... we are loosing jobs coz of these indians.
INDIANS KEEP FANNING OUR DISTRUST FOR PAKISTAN, WHILE THEY ARE SUCKING OUR SYSTEM DRY.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY GUYS.
KNOW YOUR ENEMIES.
I'm so jealous of this black bhaRATi as he got to marry and fvck the most beautiful 6!tch in the world.
Racist scum, never worth to live in multi racial society, by they way we are much smarter and some of us are fairer than most of you scums.
Oh yes, the bhaRATis are so much smarter than us, that's why their average IQ is 2 points below ours.
wikipedia. org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality
Of course, the reason why they're so smart is that their genius scientists say that Gau Jal, the national drink of the bhaRATis is brain food.
Yes can bet any day better than camel urine latte with extra shots of camel dung. When it comes to IT we can never match your Intl. Terrorism LOL,
good Job.. we (PAKS) need more people like you here... to block indian stabbing in our back and front. Love your work..BTW I am not giving any business to indians anymore as a substitute I am going to china market...My two relative four friends are doing the same..hopefully the circle wiil grow soon and at a fast pace....Farooq.
folks
PAKISTAN WAS STANDING BY OUR SIDE FROM 1960 TO NOW, WHILE INDIA WAS COZYING UP TO RUSSIA ALL THROUGH THE COLD WAR.
lets not let india mislead us on friends. remember, the whole world is watching.
so they have their issues. we all know that.
but 30000 of them have died for a war that is clearly not theirs.
their only fault, they refuse to let india consolidate in afghanistan, which is right behind them.
its like us giving up mexico to china. you get the idea.
that country has been our sidekick for 60 years.
WE ARE LOSING 2 BILLION TO PAKISTAN???? WE ARE LOSING 2 TRILLION TO INDIANS EVERY YEAR. HALF THE PEOPLE JOBLESS IN USA ARE THANKS TO THESE INDIANS.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY MY FRIEND.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY.
Pin head, you do not make friends for past promise, but future potential. Everyone know what promise Pakistanis have kept.
pea brain,
future potential for india is another 10 million jobs lost to them. last i checked, even our lawyers and doctors are going out of business because some cheap shit in dehli will do the job for cents.
ONE DAY, WE WILL REALIZE HOW INDIA IS THE END OF PROSPERITY IN USA AS WE KNOW IT.
The entire civilized world proclaim US to be the greatest nation ever existed on earth. Now compared to that what do you get from your dearest ally??? Burning of US flag, hounding of US agents, 911 type gift,hoarding of thugs of all hues, spreading of conspiracy theories against US. Mind you 80% of Pakis hate US of A, this is the best compliment US can ever get.
Big fan of you and your program Fareed, however, it appears that your positions are becoming more mainstream, and your analysis less inquisitive on some key issues –I had the first glimpse of that on your interview with Robert Rubin weeks ago; you never questioned him hard on his involvement in the financial crisis; suddenly he is just another expert visiting your show. Now, in regard to President Obama's progressive 'disengagement' from Afghanistan, you failed to acknowledge -and incorrectly misquoted figures- that by the end of 2012, the only forces out of Afghanistan will be the one Obama put there -the surge. Also, the complete removal of the U.S. troops -almost 70,000- will not happen until the next president's term. In addition, you careless characterized the U.S. mission in Afghanistan as a force to control the Taliban –why didn't you mention, at that point, that the military mission is actually to finish with the fifty existing al-Qaeda members and that, in that context, President Obama's speech was just pure b s. I don't know Fareed; please don't tell me that you too are becoming part of the conically accomplice establishment U.S. press. I expect more of you.
EVERY VENOM SPITTING BLOGGER ON THIS SITE IS AN INDIAN.
THIS IS HOW THEY SCREW US. ESCHEW OUR OPINION TOWARDS OUR FRIENDS WHILE THEY DRAIN OUR RESOURCES, OUR JOBS , OUR CHILDREN'S JOBS AWAY FROM US.
WAKE UP AMERICA.
INDIANS WILL CANNABILIZE US BEFORE WE KNOW IT.
KNOW YOUR ENEMY !!!!!!!!
Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India are engaged in an endless feedback loop of strife and conflict. The governing elites in all three bear little resemblance to their overwhelming masses, in terms of ideals. The level of double-dealing political corruption in any or all three is far beyond what their economic system(s) can tolerate. None of them holds the key to anything but more misery, for them and the rest of the world.
Who needs an enemy when you have a friend like Pakistan. First they started hating Indians in the name of Hindus, they extended their hatred in the name of Shias, Ahmedis in the name of minorities, in the name of jihad they continued their hatred towards Russians, post collapse they spawned innumerable jihadi group from madrassas across Pakistan and started hating western specially USA. And now they started hating themselves. Tell me whom they really like???
indian frustration is very justified..after all that money, all that aggressive diplomacy and lobbying , they still will not get a bite out of afghanistan after US is gone.
Saleem Shahzad was not killed by the ISI but by his terrorist associates who wanted to stop him from publishing details of their operations. Get the facts straight , Fareed Zikrya speaks with zero proofs.
@Viper882, Yes get it, ISI did not support militants specially Pak Taliban, 911 was an insider job, Mumbai attack was done by RAW to blame ISI, Kargil was purely a militant job and nothing to do with ISI/Pak army, RAW-CIA-MOSSAD are the root cause of all explosion inside Pakistan. RAW unnecessarily calls Pak army as an "Army with a country" and ISI as "state within a state". OBL was killed in 2001 and Abbotabad was a shady CIA operation to defame ISI. Nice one dream on.
Curious mind, you should change your name to Made up mind. There seem to be no curiosity to find any truth, you are here just to pis* on Pakistan and I bet you have no love for US. I know a lot of indians and all they talk about is how they can move jobs to India and they are so brazen about it, they discuss it right in front of me and other Americans. On the other hand, all my interactions with Pakistanis in graduate school and in work environment, they are exteremly humble and are come across as truly ashamed when their fellow Pakistanis commit criminal acts. Indians on the other hand, think they are the next best thing since slice bread. And let me break it to you, you are not so hot. I have been to Banglore, Mumbai and Delhi and there are a billion idiots in India. I dont see India coming out of poverty anytime soon.
@Jeff, I will not pass my verdict so soon, will hold on until US India trade gets everyones attention. Indian govt. have given Billions in rebuild of Afghan with a very limited expectation of not using its territory for strategic depth or train bigots. Democratic values are the common bond which brings everlasting peace and stability in than part of world. Unfortunately Mumbai attach have created such revulsion it is hard to get away without reading a Paks mind.
Curios Mind, I appreciate what India is doing in Afghanistan and I hope it is sincere. But admittedly, I am highly skeptical of Indian sincerity as supposed goodwill at Afghanistan is not repeated elsewhere. Furthermore, I do know enough history to know that when the former USSR invaded Afghanistan and turned that country into a wreck, the indians cleverly took a no position stance and never condemned the invasion and occupation. You might call it a neutral position but it wasnt since the Afghan President Najibullah in 1978 while visiting India, proclaimed alongside then Indian foreign minister Vajpayee that Afghanistan with the help of USSR will concquer Pakistan and like merge Pakistan upto indus river into Afghanistan and the other half will be given to India. You know how I know that, because I read history and believe me, history is a good predictor of future. As such, my country, this great United States of America has to keep an eye on India. We may have democracy in common but we may not have the same interest. India was not our freind during cold war, guess who was our friend and who helped put the last nail in the communist USSR coffin – Pakistan. So you can sh*t all you want on Pakistan, history tells me that they are our freind, you guys I hope are just a market for us to sell our stuff. Last thing, the difference between you and Chinese are that chinese come from the front door, they are who they say they are. You guys, you speak from both sides of your mouth, I am sorry to say but that is your history.
WELL SAID JEFF.
ITS HATERS LIKE CURIOUS MIND, SAD, PATHETIC INDIANS, WHO WILL LEAVE US FRIENDLESS AT THE END.
PAKISTAN IS STANDING BY OUR SIDE WHILE INDIA DRAINS OUR RESOURCES.
PAKISTANIS ARE DYING FOR OUR CAUSE WHILE INDIANS ARE THE REASON 9 MILLION OF US ARE ON SOCIAL SECURITY.
THEY ARE NOT FRIENDS. THEY ARE LEACHES THAT WILL OUTSOURCE OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE.
Hindus are coward and most cunning people on this planet. US beware of this evils they are silent killer, they would destroy your culture and nation, stop them now to get into your political system, otherwise the whites and blacks of your country would have nothing to rule on. You USA presently your busy in destroying muslim nations but sooner your Hindu folks vanish your system of liberty, your indsutries, your resources. The Hindu have dream to rule over the world, so far jews are ruling over you and the next Hindu will rule on you. Send as many american to India as you can so you would know their vicious intentions.
Democratic countries do not fight, you silly.
Oh really, then why did India support communist USSR over democratic west during the cold war period? Wanna explain that quandry my dear.
Just as fyi, I do not support Mr. Kaleem. I know a lot of great people who happen to be Hindus, Jews, Muslims. But I do question the collective mindset of Indians in general and wether that is a country worth befriending in a sincere manner.
Memories are short lived, remember all wars were faught under military rule, except for Kargil which Army using ISI kept democratic govt. in dark or at least kept their mouth shut. During 1950's 60's there were great non aligned movement, US has taken over effectively as super power and was very close to Britain when it comes to imfluence. Hence a great mistrust among nations who just happen to emerge out of colonial rule. Every body do mistake but democratic ones adopt so has India. Which is the reason why you do not see war among nations which have democracy.
Pakistan on other hand was created out of hate, hate towards initially Hindus and later extended towards other minorities incl. Christians, Shias, Ahmedis etc. You must be knowing it was Israel and Pakistan were created purely out of religious needs. It is Pakistan who kept on redefining their ideology and never settled for one. The problem with them is if they choose secular then it makes no sense, they would rather be as Indians. Frontier Gandhi Khan Abdul Wali Khan once told Mahatma Gandhi, you are throwing us into pack of wolves, the wolves have formed core of ISI. They used USA/KSA money into madrasa, they are reaping what they assumed will never bite them. India never did such mistake.
1) Pakistan has no interest in a stable and democratic Afghanistan. Since the start of war, triggered by Afghan resistance against Russian invasion in 1980th and in 1990th leading to civil war and Taliban role in Afghanistan and up to now for support of US war against terror, Pakistan has profited in a major scale financially and politically from the turmoil in Afghanistan. Stability in Afghanistan makes Pakistan useless and isolated, because Pakistan has no strategic importance as it was the case with SEATO pact.
2) Additionally Pakistan is very concerned about the influence of India in a stable Afghanistan.
Unfortunately the disputed Kashmir region remains a source of conflict between India and Pakistan and here both countries, India and Pakistan must recognize that this problem is not sustainable and must be resolved politically. India hates to be associated with this problem, but sorry India own this problem.
3) The Pashtoons are not integrated into the Pakistan political and economical nomenclature and this unresolved situation is a source of conflict for Pakistan and for Afghanistan. In fact there is currently the Pashtoon population in Pakistan higher than in Afghanistan as a result of enforced Durand border line between Afghanistan and then British India in 1893 by British Empire.
I don't have a solution, but the problems are known and both India and Pakistan must be taken into consideration for finding a solution for this regional conflict.
Caseey, digging up SEATO, that's a term I havent heard in a long time. Pakistan's strategic value comes from where it is located. Look it up and you will know. Let me answer you point by point:
1. If stability in Afghanistan means Indian influence, yes Pakistan is, will be and should be nervous. In the 70's, there was a terrorist organization that was propped up from Afghanistan sponsored by your country India and your country best pal the communist USSR. I can totally understand if Pakistan will fight tooth and nail not to have history repeat itself where it is under terrorist attack via Afghanistan on India's proxy war as was the case in the past.
2. Refernce Kashmir, I have read enough history to know that India is least bit sorry about holding on to Kashmir. If the plebicite was held, which accoding to UN interlocuters couldnt be held because India put up frivilous objections to subterfuge the effort, Kashmiris would have overwhelming voted to join Pakistan. You write as though India is reluctant participant in Kashmir dispute. It is not. But you are right, it is the bain of all issues between two countries.
3. Pashtoons are not integrated into Pakistan??? Did you know that who was the President of Pakistan during the 1965 war with India? It was a pushtoon named Field Marshall Ayub Khan. No doubt Pakistan's history is not great when it comes to minorities but heck, it was Musharraf, a mohagir who was president recently. Before that Benazir was a Sindhi prime minister, before that her father. On the other hand, India just got their first minority prime minister. I dont know the solution but USA has to bring its weight into the equation and if I were Obama, I would tell the Indian to get the hell out of Afghanistan. Then I will tell the Pakistanis to get the hell out of Afghanistan. Then I will tell the Afghan that think about who lives next door to you and who doesnt before you choose your friends – and it aint India. Solution will come when the proxy wars are stopped in the god forsaken country of Afghanistan.
Jeff,
India is not my country. The only association I had with India was a vacation long time ago. I am not bias toward any of these countries, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. There are enough emotions in this subject, just look above almost 100% of the comments are useless hate speeches. Now back to the issues:
1) I am not sure about India was sending terrorist to Pakistan in 1970s, but I know for fact that Pakistan is now harboring and supporting a all kind of terrorists, including the Godfather itself that was recently captured...
Exporting terrorist is not in the best interest of Pakistan in log-term. Sorry everybody must accept this fact!
2) We both agree that India cannot ignore the Kashmir occupation problem. Here a solution must be found in interest of Kashmiri people not in best interest of India and Pakistan
3) Pashtoons are not integrated into Pakistan. Their territory is not controlled, administered and is underdeveloped. Pashtoons are the loser in Pakistan as a minority and loser in Afghanistan as a majority. The political and economical power is in the hand of other ethnic groups in Afghanistan after the fall of Taliban, I am sorry for Pashtoons they have relied on Terrorists and ISI to stay in power and this was not sustainable. Nevertheless a solution must be found to give the Pashtoons some perspective in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
A representative from India at UN began his speech about Kashmir conflict: 'Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Rishi Kashyap of Kashmir, after whom Kashmir is named. When he struck a rock and it brought forth water, he thought, 'What a good opportunity to have a bath.' He removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the water. When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A Pakistani had stolen them.'
The Pakistani representative jumped up furiously and shouted, 'What are you talking about? The Pakistanis weren't there then.' The Indian representative smiled and said, 'And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech. 'And they say Kashmir belongs to them"
About Kashyapa(from wiki): was one of the seven Sages for that manvantara. The Indian valley of Kashmir in the himalayas is named after him. Legend states that the vale of Kashmir was a vast high altitude lake which was drained by Kashyap rishi, out of which the beautiful valley of Kashmir emerged, hence the name Kashyapmira which corrupted overtime to become Kashmir.
curious mind,
this a nice and romantic fairy tale your wrote about Kashmir, but let’s talk about the realities in the ground.
The Kashmiri people doesn’t want to be occupied by India or Pakistan and they will by end of the day achieve this goal.
Doesn’t matter how much India likes this beautiful valley, but the majority of Kashmiri people hate to live under this condition.
Transferring occupied Kashmir to Pakistan is absolutely not a solution. Kashmiri people doesn’t want to be occupied by Pakistan as well.
It is a painful reality for both, India and Pakistan that Kashmir will be eventually an independent region.
I think separating Kashmir from Pakistan and India and forming an independent country is a very difficult process and therefore there is no resolution and all this pain and grievances.
The most suffering people are people of the Kashmir in this proxy war between India and Pakistan.
Here is a solution:
Both parts of Kashmir will remains part of Indian and Pakistani territory as status quote, but given both Kashmir parts on both side of dividing line total internal autonomy and let them run their own affairs.
Line of control between Azad Kashmir & Indian Kashmir should be a soft border with people of Kashmiri descent allowed to cross the border.
What belongs together will eventually grow together! The artificial Berlin wall could not be sustained, even a super power tried to keep it in place for long time.
Don’t start to separate the Hindu and Moslem population of Kashmir after the Indian and Pakistanis model. The problem is not here the Hindus and Moslems or Sikhs, but creating an environment of less suppression, less manipulation and giving all the people of Kashmir the opportunity to prosper is the solution.
Both people the Indians and Pakistani’s could be proud to have a peaceful region of Kashmir under their administration, which belong to both of them and both the Pakistani’s and Indian could enjoy the cool mountain air of Kashmir, when it is getting hot in the plains.
In the other hand the Kashmiri people as part of India and Pakistan will prosper economically by hosting the Pakistani and Indian tourist.
Is this not a better romantic notion compare to your old Sages about Kashmir, that will not resolving any problems?
No more partition in the name of religion period. No more justification of terror support in the name of freedom fighters period. Dialogue is the the only way to go and that too not under a gun. Everything can be discussed in mutual coordial approach with no controversial agenda. By the way Kashmir is a non issue among Indians.
curious mind,
your are right in all your points about dialog, putting down the guns and start a common sense discussion.
You are maybe right that Kashmir is a non issue among Indians, when it comes to ordinary people.
But the fact is that Indian government is very hawkish about Kashmir and avoiding that this issue is discussed and isolating the Kashmir problem as anon issue.
Kashmir is part a regional conflict and the relationship between India and Pakistan has a big influence on Afghan conflict!
It is not a coincident that all the comments above in response to Mr. Zakaira's blog has less to do with Afghanistan conflict, but is more related to the problems between India and Pakistan and Kashmir is the core of this problem.
Kashmir is just symptom, the root cause is religious inspired thuggism. The religious inspired parties in Pak is like active volcano trying to find an easy route to show their destructivity. No way you can compromise if religion is brought into the scenario. We need to fail such insane ideas in order to maintain sanity. Do you still wanted to hedge such ideas? It is never a win-win situation, never going to sell in secular India since minorities bein the weaker party too have stake in the outcome.
Why did the Paks have to send tribes in 1947-48, start war in the name of Kashmir by their generals or worst send terrorist since 1987 after Soviet collapse. This is pure insanity and evil.
That's Exactly What I Meant.
Indian side is trivializing this issue and starting the blame game and Pakistanis are not helping the discussion by supporting the radicals and encouraging more division.
Where is the common sense, where are the brilliant minds to help resolving this problem.
Where are the leaders who have a vision and the guts to give up hatred and make something good happens.
Give me one reason why Kashmir is so important for Paks, is it stopping them from crushing Talibans or stabilize Afghan? By the way do USA wants to use their service again in future for similar Soviet like issue, let us suppose another rogue communist? I can hear loud and clear NO.
BTW, Farid Zakaria's grand parent was a highly anti-parition guy and authored books on the subject. If I am wrong in my memory recall then I am sorry. But since I think I am rightly recalling reading about it, I can understand how Farid Zakaria can use his smarts and intellect to hide his biased inner feeling towards Pakistan and present them in camoflagued words. India's only interest in Afghanistan at this time is to keep Pakistani army and subsequently resources spread around on western flank. From the west, India can prop up terrorist organization such as BLA (Balooch Liberation Army) that the former USSR KGB higher ups have admitted to create in collusion with Indians and Pre-Taliban Afghan governments. So India is back to palying games and Fareed is talking selective logic. I hope Obama doesnt listen to Fareed and use his own instinct and brain to formulate Pakistan strategy. Fareed, either your analysis have been flawed or you have compromised your integrity to pacify your biases in India Pakistan issues.
VERY ASTUTE MY FRIEND.
VERY SMART
folks
PLEASE REMEMBER, PAKISTAN WITH ALL ITS FAULTS IS ONE OF A HANDFULL OF COUNTRIES SHEDDING ITS BLOOD FOR US.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME AN INDIAN SOLDIER DIED FOR USA????
THEY SAY PAKISTAN HAS A NEGATIVE VIEW OF USA.?? PAKISTAN JUST LOST ITS SANITY FOR USA. A PEACEFUL COUNTRY NOW BEING BOMBED DAILY FOR OUR CAUSE !!!!
LETS BE THANKFUL.
AND INDIANS LIKE CURIOUS MIND WILL KEEP VENOMIZING OUR MINDS FOR THEIR GAINS.
INDIAN JOURNALISTS ARE BRAINWASHIGN US WITH THIS "DATA" ABOUT US DISLIKE. WHAT COUNTRY CAN HATE YOU AND DIE FOR YOU IN THE SAME TIME????????
INDIANS WILL BLEED US DRY OVER TIME.
ONE DAY MY BROTHERS IN USA, WE WILL LOOK BACK AND CURSE INDIA FOR ALL OUR MONETARY LOSES.
KNOW YOUR ENEMIES MY FRIENDS.
THEY TAKE OUR JOBS. THEY BURN CHRISTIANS IN THEIR COUNTRY. INDIANS ARE HATERS.
AND WHO ARE WE BLAMING HERE????
LOL.
Give me one reason why Kashmir is so important for Paks, is it stopping them from crushing Talibans or stabilize Afghan? By the way do USA wants to use their service again in future for similar Soviet like issue, let us suppose another rogue communist country? I can hear loud and clear NO.
Curios mind, you are a very typical indian who is not aware of any history other than the hindutva propaganda they teach in your schools. You should be curious about why you are so ill-informed. Furthermore, dont let no one tell you there are no stupid questions because yours are fairly incoherent mixed with ignorance and stupidity. You must be one of those billion indian idiots I ran into while travelling through banglore, delhi etc.
You know why conflicts arise and exists, it is because of greed and ignorance as depicted by indians like you.
Zakaria is a pr-pakistani Bastartd. he is anti indian, anti american, pakistania, and islamic pig.