Editor's Note: Douglas S. Massey is the Henry G. Bryant Professor of Sociology and Public Affairs at Princeton University
By Douglas S. Massey – Special to CNN
For years, conservatives and many liberals have stated their unwillingness to consider comprehensive immigration reform until “America regained control of its borders.” That moment has arrived.
According to estimates from the Mexican Migration Project, which I co-direct, the rate of new undocumented migration from Mexico dropped to zero in 2008 for the first time in 50 years.
This remarkable event partly reflects the drop in labor demand in the context of a deep economic recession, but it also stems from a massive increase in border enforcement. Since 1990, the size of the Border Patrol has increased by a factor of five and its budget by a factor of 13.
Although this escalation surely helped to reduce the inflow of undocumented migrants, however, it also discouraged the outflow of those already here. The probability that an undocumented migrant returned to Mexico within 12 months of entering reached a record low value of around 8% in 2007. Among those who did return, most did not seek reentry, with the likelihood of attempting a return trip to the United States standing at just 5%.
At present, therefore, new undocumented migrants are not heading northward; former undocumented migrants are coming back in very small numbers; and settled undocumented residents are staying put. As a result of these trends, the population of undocumented U.S. residents peaked at 12.6 million persons in 2008 and fell to 10.8 million in 2009, according to the latest estimates from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Net undocumented migration is now slightly negative.
The advent of net out-migration does not reflect a significant move toward “self-deportation” among undocumented residents present in the United States, however. As already noted, long-term undocumented residents are less likely than ever to leave. Some of the decline stems from an unappreciated shift to guest worker migration. From 1990 to 2008 the number of Mexicans admitted with temporary work visas grew from 17,000 to 361,000 per year.
Other former undocumented migrants are legalizing through actions taken by legal family members. The number of legal Mexican immigrants attaining U.S. citizenship surged from 18,000 in 1990 to 232,000 in 2008. U.S. citizens are allowed to sponsor the entry of their spouses, minor children, and parents without numerical limitation and since 1990 a record two million Mexicans have naturalized. As result, whereas just 5% of all Mexicans entering the Untied States as legal immigrants were relatives of citizens, 59% fell into this category in 2008, a total of 112,000 persons.
In sum, of the four principal components of comprehensive immigration reform, three have already been substantially achieved. The border is now under control and net-undocumented migration has fallen below zero; a guest worker program has been created to bring in more than 360,000 temporary Mexican migrants per year; and legal immigrants have increasingly taken it upon themselves to “expand” the quotas by naturalizing and sponsoring the entry of immediate relatives outside of the numerical quotas.
In practical terms, there is really only one thing that remains to be accomplished: the creation of a pathway to legalization for long-term undocumented residents. Somewhere around three million of these people entered the country as minors. They did not make the decision to violate U.S. immigration law and should not be held responsibilities for choices made by their parents. In the absence of a criminal record or other disqualifying circumstances, those who entered as minors should be given an immediate and unconditional amnesty and be allowed to proceed with their lives in the only country that most of them know.
For their part, undocumented migrants who entered as adults should be offered a temporary legalization that confers the right to live and work in the United States for some extended period, during which they would be able to accumulate points ultimately to qualify them for legal permanent residence. Points would be awarded for socially desirable behaviors such as paying taxes, learning English, studying civics, holding a steady job, owning a home, parenting U.S. citizen children and generally staying out of trouble. Once a certain minimum threshold of points is achieved, migrants would be allowed to pay a fine as restitution for violating the law and then, having paid their debt to society, get on with their lives as legal permanent residents of the United States. We are much closer to the ultimate goals of immigration reform than most people realize.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of Douglas S. Massey.
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God has created amazing brain system where new ideas flower everyday to solve old and new problems. Certain brains are given a lable of expert brains and such brain comes out with more creative ideas. Why no action ? Why postponement of action ? Why are we lacking to see the fact and act upon it immediately ? why ? why ?
Actually the rate we are going with Obama and the economy, we might not need reform. Heck we might be joining them going back to Mexico.
Oh, there is no god. Sorry you didn't get the memo.
Wow. That's really "edgy". And by edgy I mean "boring". Every other comment on CNN is about how the Bible is a book of fiction. We get it. You think being atheist means that you're much more intelligent than everyone else. Would you mind commenting on the actual article rather being being a self-serving, egotistical, pseudo-intellectual prat?
Why, why why do people who claim to be so wise REFUSE to accept that there ALWAYS WAS A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP. Illegal immigrants choose to bypass it. THAT'S the problem.
The only immigration reform we need is from spreading the awful LIE that people who think they are too good to wait in line with the rest of the immigrants actually deserve anything but to be shown to door!!
Illegal immigrants don't jump borders because the system doesn't work. It's because they think themselves too good do what immigrants from around the world who come to our country do: bide their time!!!
Immigration reform is one of the greatest hoaxes of our time!
no doubt there are ways to gain citizenship. but what people don't understand is that the united states makes it incredibly difficult to gain citizenship, it can take up to ten years. and living in horrible condidtions that some foreigners live in its urgent that they leave the country, knowing that if caught illegally they probably wont recieve any mercy...but that just tells you how desperate they must be to need to leave the family and loved ones.
No. They can't afford the process to become legalized. My spouse and I (me being the us citizen, yes I was born here) are going through this right now. This process has taken us 5 1/2 years and more than $10,000. (Attorney fees, processing fees, travel fees, more fees that one can imagine.) We pay taxes, never had any trouble with the law, never had any public assistance whatsoever. This has drained our savings, our child's college education fund and put stress on our child.We are not rich by any means, we are lower middle class and work our butts off to survive. Also, this process does not guarantee an immigrant visa to come here. So all the fees that you have paid could be for nothing. So it's no wonder people from other countries come here undocumented, they just cannot financially afford the process.
You are probably just as simple as your statement. Not very informed are you?
Abergueen, Immigration reform is not a hoax – it is a step towards the future. But unfortunately people like you who have probably never been out of the country and have never dealt with anything remotely related to immigration would not be able to comprehend this. Yes there are legal pathways to immigration – but the silly government we have makes everyone jump through hoops and loops for numerous years to be legalized. If it takes someone 10yrs to gain citizenship – something is wrong? Is it because there are too many people applying? Maybe, but if that is the case – deny applications you don't deem fit as per YOUR regulations. I say make it easier for them to be legal and make them contribute to the economy i.e. Pay taxes, Pay for medicare and Social Security – make them part of the nation.
Illegal Aliens are Criminals who do not respect this country. The United States should adopt Mexico's laws for illegal immigration.
Read jadalinh's reply. This is 100% true. My wife and I (I an American, her a Canadian) have been married since 2000. It is now 2011, and we are still being told that we are probably another 2 years away from completing the process of getting her legal residency in the U.S. We, too, have poured thousands of dollars and years of time into trying to get her allowed to come here legally (and by "legal", I don't mean "citizen", I just mean "green card"). I can't even begin to tell you what a horror show it has been, or how often we have been lied to, abused, jerked around, had our paperwork cancelled and forced to start over, etc. by the government employees who are supposed to be here to help. U.S. immigration is comparable to any 3rd world country, except in a 3rd world country, you could bribe someone to get your paperwork processed sometime this decade.
I agree that the process is convoluted and needs reform. My husband and I are both educated (I have an undergrad in engineering and he has a masters in engineering from an American school), both hold down six figure jobs in the states, pay our taxes, social security (which we are not eligible for), and have never been in trouble with the law. You would think it would be easy to become an American... that we could wait in line and if we pay enough, wait long enough, that poof citizenship would magically appear. This is not the case. There is no legal path to citizenship in the US without our companies sponsorship, having a baby in the country, or having an American relative sponsor us for 10 years while we wait outside of the country and pay thousands each. I am not complaining, we have a good life, but there are others that don't.... and even if they work hard and get educated and pay thousands... they cannot just apply... The system is broken!
Lets see. Break the law, steal a job or an identity and get to bypass all the other people waiting in line to gain legal citizenship. What part of wrong don't people understand?
But it's just so hard you know.
Don't you understand how hard it is?
I don't agree it should be horrendously expensive as others have stated. It should be about loyalty and willingness to become truly American. I suspect the hefty fees are mostly to blame for people not even trying to be legalized.
morgan painter, it is not only expensive, it is exhaustively time and resource consuming. Even in cases where people are married, which you would think are 'open and shut' cases - the time-frames involved are usually 3 to 6 years, just to get a "green card". During this time, your spouse is not allowed to work (not even as a volunteer). Or, perhaps your spouse was not legally in the U.S. at the time you got married - if you wish to return to the U.S. with your spouse; you have a 3 to 6 year (sometimes longer) wait before he/she can move here.
That is just for SPOUSES. The system is stupider, slower, and more painful for almost all other cases.
I immigrated to Canada once upon a time. I filled out twice as much paperwork for the Canadians as my wife (Canadian) had to fill out when coming to the U.S. I got a far more thourough background check by the Canadians than my wife got by the U.S. I got a medical exam that lasted all day (my wife got screened for TB and vaccinated; took about half an hr). The whole process in Canada took 90 days; and it was very comprehensive. It's taken nearly 9 YEARS to get my wife through the half-ass little 'process' that the U.S. requires of SPOUSES.
Birthright citizenship of illegal aliens costs the U.S. taxpayers billions every year
As of 2001, the cost of having a baby in the U.S. ranged from $6,000 to $8,000 for a normal delivery and $10,000 to $12,000 for a cesarean birth (to as much as $14,000 in certain parts of the country). Assuming that an average birth in the year 2007 cost $8,000, the total cost for 363,000 anchor babies would be approximately $3 billion. Assuming the more realistic number of 726,000 anchor babies, the total cost would be nearly $6 billion.
In 2003, Parkland Memorial Hospital Dallas, the second busiest maternity ward in the United States, 70% of the women giving birth were illegal aliens. That added up to 11,200 babies for which Medicaid kicked in 34.5 million dollars to deliver these babies, the feds another 9.5 million and Dallas taxpayers tossed in 31.3 million. The average illegal patient is a 25 year old birthing her second anchor baby.
The nation’s school system faces the economic burden of providing services to the millions of children born to illegal immigrants. In a 2004 United States General Accounting Office report, three states submitted their annual cost estimates of educating illegal alien children. The estimates provided ranged from 50 million dollars to 87.5 million in Pennsylvania and 932 million to 1.04 billion dollars in Texas.
The Urban Institute estimates the cost of educating illegal alien children in the nation’s seven states with the highest concentration of illegal aliens was $3.1 billion in 1993 (which, with the growth of their population to 1.3 million, would be more like $5 billion in 2000). This estimate does not take into account the additional costs of bilingual education or other special educational needs. Illegal aliens are not eligible for welfare benefits, but their citizen children qualify for Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and other benefits granted to US citizens. Based on data collected in California for AFDC’s “children only” cases, the California Department of Social Services estimated that in fiscal 1994-1995, 193,800 children of illegal aliens received welfare, costing $553 million.
By not addressing this abuse of Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment and not enforcing immigration law, the funds that state and local governments must provide to anchor babies amounts to a virtual tax on U.S. citizens to subsidize illegal aliens.
teremist stated:
"Illegal immigrants want rights? I suggest they go BACK to their home countries
and fight for their rights. Criminals have no rights!
Here is my take on illegals:
I liken this, to the thief, that breaks into a home. He
tells the home owner, he had no choice, because he was hungry. He then calls 5
friends to join him. After they have all eaten steaks and baked potatoes, they
decide to take everything in the house, down to the bare walls. One of them
looks at the others and says that is too much work, besides, where will we keep
all this stuff? They then agree, that the only fair thing to do is take the
house and kick the owner out. After some discussion, they decide all their
families and friends need stuff too, and the only fair thing to do, is to take
all the homes in town, and kick the owners out, leaving them nothing. Of
course, they all agree, they have no choice. This is exactly what illegal
immigrants do to taxpayers. Medical, food, housing, and educational costs, have
broken the public "bank." "
Wow, are you serious, Illegal families do pay taxes, way more that you think, and they dont get the income taxes you get, they also cant work in nice offices like you, and besides, you all think illegal immigrants take your jobs, are you serious? I've seen how they rather to go the streets to ask for money before working in construction or any other job like it. In this case, the person is tryin to clean your front yard while you are throwing rocks at him.
He says the border is secure when ICE claims only %44 secure. If the border is secure then no drugs are coming in, anyone want to bet it takes less than 15 minutes to find a dime bag. Prof fruit loops take an econ class, when demand is high workers come, when low they leave, prof crackheads timetable matches recession very close also
I beg to differ. Our borders are not "secure" just because the trickle "may" have slowed. And what this country needs is illegal immigration "enforcement" to protect citizens from exploitation by the foreign invaders already here and discouragement to those coming.
Billions of U.S. tax dollars is given to foreigners every year when they use our emergency rooms as free health clinics, get free educations for their kids and welfare checks for their anchor babies.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/05/local/la-me-illegal-welfare-20100906
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/apr/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare
Nevada has the highest unemployment rate and the highest percentage of illegal workers in the country.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/pew-report-nevada-leads-in-number-of-illegal-workers-115030374.html
Illegal immigrants depress our wages.
Illegal immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than U.S. natives, particularly identity theft and tax evasion.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/24/us-immigration-fraud-idUSTRE71N68920110224
Half of the FBI's most wanted for homicide in America are Mexican citizens.
http://www.bing.com/browse?g=fbis_most_wanted&form=msnhed>1=36010#toc=0&citizenship_rbid=20,35&wanted_for_rbid=38
The fires destroying much of Arizona were started close to the border in a park closed to the public on a path used by illegal immigrants. Law-abiding American citizens would not have been in the area.
To expect foreigners who have no respect for our laws to become law-abiding American citizens is illogical. Many illegal immigrants are not here to assimilate, but to take over.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/hispanicleaders.asp
http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/127275-pro-illegal-immigrant-group-threatens-kill-americans-axes.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/arizona-teacher-middle-immigration-debat
Illegal immigrants benefit themselves and unscrupulous employers who lobby corrupt politicians on the U.S. taxpayer's dime and shortchange our own children's chances.
I agree with you 100%. This article is biased and based on incorrect information. Just come to the Texas border, any time, day or nite, and you will see what is really happening.
yep, just come on dowm here to Laredo, TX. BUt you'll leave shaking in your boots ! There's a Mexican drug cartel war going on ! Another article by another bleeding heart refusing to face the hard reality
I think you need to remove the blinds and see things with perspective, specially historic perspective.
Does 1492 tell you anything? How about Arizona, California, Colorado, New Mexico? Sound these names with the propper accent and you will realize that perhaps the invader is you. These are American natives lands and you can go back to Europe any time if you dont like it.
pedro your an idiot america bought this land fair and square not our fault your people were too dumb to ask for more from it or just not sell it in the first place and no we are not invading it we own it you stupid sp*x are nothing but insects who feed and destroy everything you touch fix you own country before you ruin ours or are all of you cowards???hell you all are traitors to your own country then are so ignorant to still fly your flag in the country you defected to
Gee Pedro – I didn't know Native Americans spoke Spanish...you muppet. Arizona, California, Colorado – if I sound those with the proper accent they sound Spanish in origin, with Arizona being the only one taken from an indigenous language (Arizuma or Arizonac are both indigenous roots). To my knowledge the Spanish came from Europe also... So what's your point? By your argument, only the Chinese would have a claim to the USA, given that their explorations to the Americas, maybe by way of Alaska, are what gave way to the indigenous populations of the Americas. So, if you're not Chinese, maybe you need to get out of here also... dimwitted one. Do some mental gymnastics and think in the present, and not in the colonial period...that way you won't be able to blame everything on the evil European settlers...
Hmm, then in this case why dont we give the dinosaurs back their land? You all are really that racist? You need the hardworking mexicans we have, who built your home, your school, your workplace, the street your walking on, if your grandma wouldnt have immigrated you probably would be living somewhere else.
Although there are good points in your post. Most illegals immigrants do not behave like the ones depicted in the demonstration video. It's like defining American white folks by the rantings of a KKK member. Granted I believe those individual should not be here, but painting the issue in exaggerated terms does not help the debate and actual solve the issues surrounding illegal immigration.
Hip, Hip, Hurray....Hip Hip Hurray..... Its seems to me this immigration debate is always about our southern border. What about the northern border, what about the foreigners flying into this country, who vilolate their visa by staying longer in this country than they should be. What is being done about their status, are we hunting them down also like we do our southern friends, do the laws being proposed have them in mind. This country has a one way "Racist" state of mind. And this is the main reason why this country is hated so much, becasue of the arrogance, the illusion that only the few and non-latino people are allowed in thsi country.
This is for Alex....If the United States is hated so much, why do we have an high influx of illegals no matter where they come from or people seeking asylum or those here who state we're so racist and yet refuse to leave. For this reason, I would think we would start seeing more people leave than come in, right? That's why the arguments and the chants and picketing of illegals and their families about racism and bigotry here in America falls on many Americans' deaf ears. You don't like it, leave. Me? My ancestors fought through slavery and the Civil War for this country. I'll fight any foreign invader to honor my ancestor and my country. The problem with other countries with civil wars is that people don't stand and fight for their home, their culture anymore. It's pack up and move on. I think in the United States with much of the crap that has been going on there could be a revolution soon. When this happens, I guess the illegals and asylum seekers will pick up and move on again.
@ Alex Green – what silly comments you made. If illegals are coming in by our northern border, they should be arrested and deported as well. People who fly in legally and then overstay their visa should be arrested and deported. Nobody is claiming we want border enforcement in the south but nothing in the north. What all rational people understand (and this is the part you purposefully ignore in order to set up a straw man argument) is that verifiable statistics and decades of history demonstrate irrefutably that our southern border is far and away the major source of illegal entrance into this company. That's why most of our security resources should be focused there. If you have an army at your front gate and a small band at your back gate, you don't divide your own forces evenly between the two, you put most of your forces where they're needed most and leave a smaller force at the back gate to keep things under observation.
Between Identity Fraud, Tax Evasion and Illegal Entry, it would appear that 100% of illegal immigrants have a criminal background.
Most people have nothing against immigrants, just the ones that come here illegally . Doesn't matter if you're from Canada, Mexico, China, England, etc. Regardless of political affiliation, most people agree that immigrants should: Sign in, pay tax and leave when their visas expire. No exceptions.
As American black folk, I say illegal immigrants can hardly be considered lay abiding if they feel absolutely no guilt in refusing to go through established channels to get what they want.
Wanting something you are not entitled to so much that you're willing to do the wrong thing to get it is called greed.
Thanks for the videos! Too bad CNN won't post these videos themselves; but, of course, videos like these would only harm CNN's agenda.
Using You Tube post without permission is also a CRIME. You have broken the law. YOU should go to JAIL.
Amen!
http://youtu.be/50DkSHmVfZU?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1
your video about population is without basis.............completely shows you have no university background or if you have it definitely not a science background and last worry about the 50% of americans that pay NO TAXES.....that is the most damaging fact than 5% of the population that is illegal..............
The border is secured. No body said Hermetic. People manage to enter, but more people are being deported, giving the Negative balance. That's what the article is saying. For that reason the border is secure. The only way to deport somebody is when is already here, no before the attempt to cross. So if you think the security aspect of the border was an hermetic wall where nobody is able to cross, you really have no idea how things are. That kind of wall doesn't exist on the planet.
If you agree that illegals are deflecting and lowering wages, then it is time to makes them legal, so their wages will be more competitive. At the end , one way or another one you agree with the article. You just are just to dumb to realize it.
Good thought and love the inclusion of the videos in support. BUT your theory has a serious FLAW!!!!! Why do you think immigration workers find work while us americans dont? The answer to that is – they will do whatever it takes to build a life for themselves. Why cant we americans for once decide that no job is beneath us and start working from the bottom up to make a life for ourselves. Teach our kids to be self-reliant, self-motivated individuals – Make sure they get through school and college and actually gain an education – the problem is 50% of boys in high school want to be pro footballers!!! How s football helping america be the world's biggest economy? 40% of girls in high school want to be cheer leaders or singers? Guess what only 1-2% of these people will achieve their dreams and the others will have no education to fall back on. This isn't an education system – FIRST get a real education – then you'll have no issues with the level playing field.
Your reply is much more informative then this article. I'm guessing whoever wrote this article has never been to the border!
I agree completely. People seem to forget that America is at it's core a nation of immigrants – everyone (or their ancestors) came here from somewhere else, whether by choice or by force. If someone wants to come to this nation, work hard, contribute, pursue the American dream, and stay out of trouble, then more power to them – that's what this country is supposed to be about.
Yea, we used to be a country of LEGAL immigration. Now our country has become a country of ILLEGAL immigration...big difference. We now provide free health care, free education and welfare to people who have broken into our country ILLEGALLY unlike our ancestors who came here legally and weren't a drain on the communities they settled in. In fact, our ancestral immigrants had to have a sponsor that would promise to support them before being admitted into this country. There is absolutely NO comparison with the legal immigration our ancestors were a part of compared to the flood of illegal immigration that is plaguing our country now.
Our ancestors were just as illegal as present day illegals. They arrived against the will and settled ignoring the wishes of the natives, who were here first. Even worse, they invaded, stole their lands, displaced them, killed, tortured them, not to mention abused their elderly and children and raped their women.
I'd also like to point out that most of "our" ancestors arrived here while "legal" immigration consisted of showing up without any obvious signs of dangerous contagious disease. Deluding yourself into thinking that the majority of immigrants who risked a dangerous voyage to show up several centuries ago were any "better" than the desperate people who risk a dangerous border crossing today is just that: a delusion.
The author is spot on. Going to citizenship from illegal status shouldn't be easy for an adult who broke the law, but it should be possible in a way that adds a net benefit to our society (by helping that adult become a functional member who contributes).
Ale-youre an idiot-there was only immigration centuries ago-nothing illegal because teh country didnt exist. Europeans CREATED this country-they made it great-it wouldnt be anythign without them. When teh system of laws was created and USA was formed, immigrants had to go through the law to get here-every single one of them-a country cannot exist without its borders-everyone knows that-the US allows more immigrants every year tahn most other countries combined-over a million. We are very generous
We cannot and will not support uneducated, poor criminals any more-they must go and they will...
The United States already admits more legal immigrants per year than every other country in the world COMBINED!! Yes, we are a country of Imimgrants, but legal immigrants, not criminals who break the laws by sneaking into the country illegally. You don't start a life in a new country by breaking its laws. You do it legally,learn the language and contibute.
We are all illegal in this country, but we are not criminals because immigration is a civil matter, not criminal
Ale- in case you haven't heard the federal government has these things on the books called immigration laws wherein it is a criminal offense to reside in this country without proper documentation.
That doesn't even cover the fact that it's CRIMINAL to cross our borders without checking in first- duh!! That alone is enough to get you shipped out.
Brains, people! Please use them!
And the point of your comment is, what? Do you have a point? Nothing in your statements appears relavent to the issue. I favor an across the board cessation of undocumented immigration into the USA; this is in the better interest of our nation. As to the politicians, judges, other government and special interest groups-remain silent. The better interests of this nation are not compatible with your corrupted intentions. CLOSED BOARDERS & DOCUMENTATION FOR ALL! No exceptions.
....And the other half of the people forget that this is 2011 and not the Westward expansion of the 1800s.
Don't tell me what MY country is supposed to be about. My ancestors fought through slavery and the civil war to get this country to where it is today. People of Mexico and other Latin countries tend to run from adversity and not stand and fight for their rights. There's a civil war going on in these countries. Granted it's not pretty but civil war usually isn't. Many American people lost their lives for their RIGHT to have laws and respect for the people of this country – for legal Americans. If that's what's so important to you and for others who are from third world countries, the fight is not pretty but it's what's necessary to make the country yours. It's what happened during WWI and II in other countries such as England and France who had resistance groups just as we did. Yeah, we may look down our noses at these countries but the respect that they are seeking and the honor they are seeking has to come from them. It's cowardly to crawl somewhere else and not fight for your home. It's cowardly to get here, find some illegal-loving American to do your dirty work for you and then you bust out in the streets stating you demand rights and you're glad to be illegal, trouncing on the laws and the Constitution we hold dear because we value laws and respect for our citizens in this country. What if a war broke out here? Where will illegals go run and hide at that time?
I agree with you phoenix39. And the statistics are correct. They receive free health care, my daughter is fighting to keep health care for her 8 mo. old son. She got a raise to $12 and they said she makes too much money to qualify?? Have you seen the cost for the America people and health care? It's outrageous! Especially if the working parents are also paying for child care: her at $65 a week which is a lot when you only bring home after tax dollars $235. I also agree that these illegals should be rounded up and sent back. They have no respect for America. You see that in every product you buy, it's all in Spanish. When I go to Mexico, it's all in Spanish/Mexican language. I do not agree that we should cater to foreigners, they don't cater to us in their country. I think the United States needs to readdress how they help Americans and take the tax dollars that are paying for the illegals medical, school, housing and food and re-route it to those who are actually working and doing the best they can. Not drawing welfare, but working as hard as they can to make ends meet. Which in today's economy is hard. Wages are stagnant, prices are going up, and we are left to suffer and incur massive debt.
Less than 10 years ago, I moved to another state. As an American taxpayer, I am NOT entitled to in-state tuition rates because I haven't LIVED in this state long enough.
A law was passed to grant illegal immigrants in-state tuition rates if the;y attended high school (FREE public education) in this state.
How is it fair that CITIZENS are not entitled to what illegal immigrants get?!
@NanaCidySTuuf: You are so stupid, that you shouldn't be allow to use a computer. Do you think the lack of respect of the illegals is showed on the Spanish Labels on products you buy? HA HA HA HA. How about there are 52 millions hispanics living in America. Maybe you think they all are illegals, don't you? Are 52 millions Americans living in Mexico to make their products bilingual, so when you go you can buy them in English? America IS a bilingual Nation, but only the fools think is other wise. In the mean time there is no a single company with more than 100 employees who hasn't adapted their business into Spanish. That's being done for the illegals, right? Serious dumb
Shofar, it is hypocritical to laugh at someone you think is making unfair generalizations and turn around and do the exact same thing.
Character assassination is not a substitute for substantive arguments.
Next...
When the original immigrants came here, the US was not a "welfare state" as it is today. Those people were not able to ride the system. They worked or they starved to death. Making a comparison between the situation then and now is very superficial on your part. However, I tend to agree with you if they are willing to integrate themselves into the US culture from a work, language, and responsible financial standpoint, contributing the nation as a whole. I won't begrudge them from coming here. But not illegally and then ride the system when they get here.
The level of delusion on this issue is astounding!!!
The issue isn't that these people are immigrants, dufus. it's that they're here ILLEGALLY. Immigrants are naturalized ALL THE TIME.
The whole "nation of immigrants" arguments neglects the issue of law. Being an immigrant doesn't mean the laws don't apply to you!
Grrr on dumb arguments!
My white ancestors emigrated from the British Isles in the 1840's and they may have been technically "legally" let in thru Ellis Island but the 160 acres of free Indian that was given to them after the Indians were imprisoned on a Reservation was so morally, ethically wrong that I'm just glad that it was far enough back in my family that I personally dont have any ties to it. I've never even been to the "ol homestead". What the native peoples faced when most of our ancestors came here, genocide, small pox, the land being stolen out from under them all in the name of "manifest Destiny" is so far beyond what we " Americans" are facing now. If people are so worried about "illegal aliens" taking their jobs away from them then...go pick some lettuce in the hot sun! Go do several months in the Bering Sea on a floating fish processor working over 12 hr shifts standing in fish guts!
"For their part, undocumented migrants who entered as adults should be offered a temporary legalization that confers the right to live and work in the United States for some extended period, during which they would be able to accumulate points ultimately to qualify them for legal permanent residence."
Due to tighter border control the number of illegal migrants drop. Yet it makes it also harder for those who want to leave the U.S. illegally and they make up of millions. One estimates at least 3 million of them are minors. It is extremely important not to let them live a life in the "underground".
I do find the proposed amnesty quite feasible for both sides. The authorities can cash in the fines for illegal entry and the tax revenues on the incomes these new residents earn legally. The illegal immigrants see an incentive to come out of the dark, as it will legalise their status in this country.
You obviously don't live in a border state and don't have to deal with the issue. Your statements show your ignorance.
Immigration reform will not work until the illegal alien issue is addressed, without the possibility of amnesty.
You have it in reverse. There is no chance to solve the illegal alien issue without immigration reform first.
We have illegal immigration(the symptom) because our system is disfunctional(the disease).
We need another system, to be built from scratch, and without Amnesty, that I agree
This is a correct statement also. Georgia is planning on putting ex cons to work in place of illegal immigrants. This pissed off the illegals but pity on them. An ex con maybe out of jail on a small charge deserves a chance at rehabilitation and a job. These jobs are perfect. If someone breaks a law, like having (not selling) marijuana, put them to work in the community picking cotton, apples, other produce, building houses and buildings, and put the illegals out of work. They would surely go home then.
We tried that already- under Ronald Reagan!!!
But in the 1980's blanket amnesty was granted and guess what- here we are again.
When will we get it through our thick heads: amnesty didn't discourage illegal immigration before. It made it worse!
The very first act of these people when they enter the country is a crime! There is a pathway to US citizenship and millions have availed themselves of it. It’s called getting in line. What would he say to those who took the legal path? You people are fools!
If you want people to wait in line....GIVE THEM A LINE FOR THEM TO WAIT IN. Presently, there is NO such thing, for 99.9999% of them
Really? There's no line? Odd, pretty sure I know of multiple legal immigrants who arrived here and stood in line. 99.99%? Am I just lucky to have met the other .01%, or maybe doth exaggerate a bit too much? Exaggeration destroys sane discourse.
Please tell me how our immigration system is broken. By being broken, I do not mean that everyone that is here now is given amnesty. We allow over 1.1 million people into this country every year, including another lottery to let more people. What is wrong with that? I always here about comprehensive immigration reform but the only part I ever hear about is the amnesty part. What are the other parts of this reform? In addition, do not tell me about farm workers because there is a system for bringing in labor. Also, please stay out the past, as we all want to move forward with this problem. Oh also leave out race as some argument for whatever. Please explain how this problem can be resolved, that is without giving it back to the original natives or Mexico or Canada or some other country.
You're a liar!!!!
Just the other day NBC had a segment where naturalized immigrants were at Thomas Jefferson's historic home, Monticello, to take their oath of citizenship.
How else do new people from Asia and the Middle East have become citizens?!
Immigrants are naturalized in this country every year. DISPENSE WITH THE LIES!!!! Immigration reform is a false argument and a hoax!!
Ale: There is one! Illegal immigrants KNOW there is one.
They jump fences or hide because they KNOW they bypassed that line. Evidently the only one who doesn't know there is one is you.
Let me help you"
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis That should help your ignorance.
Excellent job MomTaxpayer! Wherever illegal immigration is out of control, the legal citizens are in an uproar because of the harm it does to the economy, infrastructure, education, wages, welfare system and communities. If illegal immigration is so beneficial to this country, then why are the areas where they settle so depressed and 3rd world cesspools. Please visit Southern California and see for yourself what they have done to our schools and communities.You can always tell when you're going through an illegal immigrant community while traveling on the freeway because there is barbed wire around the freeway signs! Teenagers can't even find summer jobs anymore because illegals take them. Why would any thinking citizen of the United States support such madness?! Illegals will self deport if we get serious about enforcing our current laws.
" Illegals will self deport if we get serious about enforcing our current laws."
That is what we have been doing for 5 decades and it has not worked. We might as well insist for 5 more before concluding it s INSANITY!!
Why are most illegal immigrants set free by ICE is they are not violent offenders? While it isn't full amnesty, most get the nod from our government.
My buddy is a cop. When he pulls over an illegal immigrant, department policy is to not cite them for driving without a license, since they can't get one anyway. If you're a citizen and get pulled over for no license, there is no sympathy.
You are a douche.
Tired of seeing the term undocumented used instead of the proper term illegal in articles.
Even worse, the US selective enforces laws against these ILLLEGAL immigrants. Theoretically I should be able to rob a bank and argue in court that the US selectively prosecutes and therefore I should not have to stand trial.
The immigration issue is absurd!
It's illegal alien invasion.
Look at the guy on death row in Texas. He came here at 2 years old, but since he's not a citizen, they don't want him executed. However, if the Dream Act is passed and he becomes a citizen, then he can be executed? Illegal immigrants are afforded more rights than US citizens, who haven't committed any crimes (eg. identity theft, tax evasion, illegal entry, etc).
The only reason there has been a drop in illegal immigracion is the labor situation. Our borders are still unprotected and anybody who wants to come in will, this is the experience I have. I was born in Mexico, I do have double nacionality at this time and I know friends, family and others who come in and go out at will, sometimes the 'coyote' will give them a fake passport, sometimes the walk the desert, sometimes the get in hidden in the back of car, etc). Yes, this nation is built on the back of immigration, but if we continue this path and this reasoning, that means that everbody could in theory come to the US and people living here are supposed to provide health, jobs, etc, for all. That is unsustainable, the sack is full.
Thank you Roman! Very well said.
In the 90's , the economy was brilliant, with unemployment as low as 1% in some areas, yet the posturing of moronic hatemonger l(ike most around here) was EXACTLY THE SAME.
We have had an illegal immigration crisis for at least 50 years, due to a dysfunctional system, but attitudes like yours are as old as the world, only the target may have been different
That's not a true statement Ale. We are not moronic hatemongers, we are just complaining about the same things we have been complaining about for over 50 years. And complaining on deaf ears it seems. These attitudes are new because we are the working people who bust our butts to try and make ends meet. Then we get slapped in the face with high health insurance premiums due to the fact that we provide complete medical coverage for these illegals, we provide housing and jobs for these people, and our own children are fighting hard just to get a job! Everyone knew that in the 90's that balloon was expanding at an unreasonable rate and would soon bust. Well it did. With it went our jobs to foreign countries, an increase in the illegal immigration, and loss of jobs to these illegals. So before you start name calling, take a long hard look at the facts and statistics. Go to the mountains of North Carolina if you want to see what a disgrace these illegals bring to a neighborhood, not to mention the increase of nearly 80% of crimes acted out by these illegals.
The desire to control our border, enforce our laws, assert our sovereignty, and control immigration is independent of the economy and unemployment. Admittedly, it is amplified by a bad economy and high unemployment. It additionally has nothing to do with hate, racism, discrimination, or any other nefarious motive that lawless people ascribe to Americans who just want to do what I listed in the first sentence. I am finally recognizing that for Mexicans, the notion of Rule of Law is incomprehensible and meaningless. The idea that laws must be obeyed is not part of their culture or their awareness. So they will not believe that this is, in large part, our motivation. Now I have to start wondering about whether the concept of sovereignty of state has any meaning for them, as well. Only when one comes to understand that there is a huge cultural divide about laws, their sanctity, the need to enforce them, etc., can one begin to understand why we are accused of being racist and hateful, when we should be accused of being lawful and principled.
WELL DOUG,WHAT ABOUT ALL PORTS OF ENTRY,VISAS NO EXIT, NO CONTROL WHATS SO EVER . UNTIL THEN NO IMMIGRATION REFORM
So who are the illegal aliens in America and where are they coming from? Almost all the cities in the south western American states have spanish names. California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. All former Mexican terrorities confiscated illegally. So what if we were to give back these illegally confiscated terrories to the Mexicans, would you say that these Mexicans are still illegal aliens? And what about the European settlers who migrated to the American south west for gold and a better life? Yea, the ones who killed the Native American Indians and put their off springs in concentration camps? And what about the offsprings of the European settlers who now reside in these former Mexican terrorities, the ones who have the nerve to call the Mexicans illegals? Let's face it, if we are indeed one nation under God, a kinder and gentler nation, a melting pot of people yearning for a better life and the American dream etc, etc and all that bull sh-t, then isn't it time that we practice what we preach and acknlwledge that all men are created equal and that they are endowned by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among them are life, liberty and the pursuit to live where ever they please? So far there's about ten descendants of Europen immigrants running for president and to date, not one of these presidential candidates is yet to show their birth certificate. So how come? And who is to say that some of these Republican candidates weren't born in another country? Yes, we need immigration reform but that reform must also iaddress the millions of non spanish speaking aliens that are currently resideing in America, the ones who come here on work permits, to visit family members or as students and the ones fleeing religious or political persecution or some unknown crime. Yea, we need immigration reform.
while you are trying to justify the illegals with things that happened over a hundred years ago why not talk about the burden to the health care, the use of welfare by the illegals, the way they destroy the areas they live in... You need to open your eyes rather than trying to justify them
Wow, you may want to open a history book and check a few facts like the southern territories weren't confiscated. People actually fought and died in a war to become citizens of the United States rather than citizens of Mexico, a wise choice if you compare the U.S. with Mexico now. You are right about the SPANISH names, though (not MEXICAN). Spain had a lot more to do with settling the southwest than the Mexicans...ever heard of the California missions built by the Spanish? Using your logic, the Mexicans should cede their country back to the Aztecs and Incas. Simple question, why don't you want people to come here in an orderly and legal fashion like the rest of the world requires?
" Simple question, why don't you want people to come here in an orderly and legal fashion like the rest of the world requires?"
I would love it. That is why we need Immigration reform. The present system does not allow it because it is dysfunctional, expensive, unfair, overly complex,unfair, unenforceable, unfair, at odds with reality, did I say unfair?
I like your idea of giving California to the Mexicans. The ultimate bankrupt sanctuary state. Could they take all 35 million illegals aliens?
Seriously though,
I don't mind immigrants. It is the strain on public resources, infrasctructure, and the sudden cultural clash with our existing citizenry that is the problem. The illegals for the most part are very poor and not educated. They need education, healtcare, social workers, and bi-lingual government services all of which cost money. Mexico and others are not sending us middle class, educated, tax contributing people. This is very expensive. Look at the financial strain on liberal states like Claifornia. They are alm ost bankrupt and can least afford to support these people that should not be here in the first place.
California has had illegal immigration for at least 75 years, at times higher than at present. During those decades, there has been periods like now and others of brilliant prosperity, like the middle 90's. No correlation whatsoever. None.
Absurd. Ridiculous. The garbage you are saying today, you would have said and you will say anytime, regardless
You do understand that back in those days, not only the U.S. but Mexico were fighting countries. They weren't just sitting back on their heels. They fought Indians and the Spaniards. They lost, but they're presidents were corrupt and all about the exploitation of their people. Please stop making us look as if Mexico was the poor little country that people walked all over. In those times, all over the world invasions and slavery were the norm. The fight and the strength of the people is what has helped define many strong countries today. You do understand the Mexican-American War was started by Mexico? The Texans wanted to become part of America and when Mexico got tired of talking, they started fighting. You also understand that when the United States took back its land, Mexico was also generously paid money for the loss of their territory. Just think if they still owned the properties. It would look like Mexico- the rich, rich and the poor, poor.
that is truth in some way but you paid a ridiculous amount of money for the land, and they didint want to be part of US they were proud of their lands, give me a brake phoenix
hold up, Joe...illegaly confiscated ? Santa Ana had 5000 Mexican troops against 136 Americans at The Alamo, he brutally slaughter them and the women and the children there to and had their bodies burned. SamHouston met him at San jacinto and kicked his a** !!! So, to the victor go the spoils
I'll call your bluff:
What is broken with the current immigration system that there are so many illegal immigrants?
It's time that proponents identify problems with the current system. It's not enough to demand reform when you haven't stated what's broken.
Until you identify specific aspects of the current system that doesn't work, it's clear immigration reform is a hoax and a false argument.
It's time to expose the scurrilous "immigration reform" for the emotional ploy of a scam it is!!
Go Shendo!!!! 462!!!!!
I worked as border patrol for years and I can tell you that most of these people show no love for the US and even less respect for our laws. Many we caught would have US criminal records and most were deported in lieu of serving time for their crimes just to try to come back and do it again. I caught one guy with 6 DUI convictions in Austin, TX. I jokingly said to him "I guess you won't be going back there, right?" he laughed and said "I love Austin if I get in trouble again they will just send me back to see my family then I will cross again." Early in my career I found all the justification I needed when I caught an illegal with a warrant from a town I grew up near. It was for raping a 14 year old girl. The only thing wrong with our immigration system is enforcement. Most don't even attempt to come here legally or apply for status after they get here. It isn't even that difficult. I know plenty of people who have done it. I remember getting yelled at one time by an american woman for arresting her illegal husband. She drove up in a brand new car and just started yelling. After listening to her story I said "So you're telling me that he has lived here for 10 years, married a US citizen and has children here but has never even tried to become legal?" She claimed it was too hard and expensive. I pointed out her brand new car and then told her the story of how my friend's wife became a citizen. $500 and any immigration lawyer and he would have been good to go. But I guess fancy cars take priority. Even so with our liberal courts I'm sure he wasn't deported in the end.
I am married to a man who was here illegally. We paid an American attorney $5000 and my husband voluntarily departed the country, was not deported. He had lived here for 16 years completely unnoticed, paid his taxes, worked his butt off, owned a home and committed no crimes. Our attorney waited 6 months to file his application, once that was accepted, he waited another 3 months to file the next round of papers, he does not answer phone calls and has not accepted a phone call from my husband in Mexico for over a year. My husband has been gone for 17 months, my medical insurance has been cancelled as he was the breadwinner, we are losing the house, and his children have macaroni and/or hotdogs for dinner 4 nights per week. When people are starving and losing everything they have at the hands of crooked immigration attorney's it is hard to remember why we agreed to play by the rules. By the way, I am a Native American woman, and my people did not issue any VISAs to the Europeans who came here, killed millions, stole the land and are now trying to prevent the same from happening to themselves. Why don't you take your European relatives and go back where YOU came from?
Check online for your state law board – it should be possible to file a complaint for legal malpractice against this guy.
At the very least other people will be warned against hiring him.
Hey, a lot of Native Americans weren't friendly and to set it straight, Indians weren't the original dwellers of the the United States. They, like many back then, roamed the Earth and settled. As well as the Pilgrims who eventually came with better fighting tools. If the Indians had better fighting tools, they would have ruled this country. It is what it is. And I can say that as a descendant from slaves who fought in the Civil War. Even as a black person who has been pulled over many times for the color of my skin, I believe in our laws and the Constitution. You can't go back but you can fight the integrity and the doctrine of the nation you live in. The lawyer was a crook. He's not the first and he won't be the last. I know. Been there, done that. Report him. But what you did was wrong by encouraging law breaking instead of abiding by the laws here. As the saying goes, If you don't like it here, leave.
lea, maybe you and your children should sell everything you have and join your husband wherever he is. lawyers are the scum of the earth, criminals just like illegal aliens. karma is a b itch, it catches up with you. i know your family would be happier if you were together
wait a minute, how did your husband buy a home without a ssn number? how did he get the loan or did he pay cash? maybe he stole someones identity. illegals do that all the time.
If you want sympathy because your husband flouted the law and paid the consequences for it, sorry>
In this life there's this thing called "consequences" that we all deal with every day. I'm sorry your family is broken. The real heart breaker is that you and your husband think yourselves above the law and too good to fall as we all do in so many ways.
Your husband ONLY had to go because he didn't come correct the first time. He took a gamble and he lost. Happens all the time.
I agree with you 100 % Lea. My white ancestors came here and were given 160 acres of former Indian Lands from the us government, which of course stole it from Native Americans. By the way, I have no ties myself to that land, financially or otherwise and have never even visited it. But I see and hear the hypocracy of those who want to "pretend" that all of that didn't happen and are now screaming foul because people are coming here to work to try to make a better life often taking the lowest paying jobs because thats what they can get and working long and hard in the hopes of one day acheiving something better. I have had many co-workers over the yrs who originally came from another country as my ancestors did and they work their butts off!! And knowing how my family got its start here I would feel like a total hypocrit for having a problem with anyone wanting to come here and work!!
You native Indian-Americans are the real first settlers here in America. You have my respect and sympathy.
Yes immigration reform, i suggest pulling our soldiers stationed in Germany and Korea to guard our borders and finish building the fence. We have NO more room in our country for immigrants. This ain't the 19th century anymore. Strike down the anchor baby law and provide NO welfare...social justice....legal justice to illegals...ILLEGAL is ILLLEGAL...
Not all illegal aliens are criminals and the majority of them who come across the boarder come here to live the American dream just like the rest of us. We must differenciate between the good and the bad aliens and not do like Arizona who passed SB1070 to discriminate against an entire race or ethnicity. Yes, there are those who claim to be concerned about the ills that some illegas bring into our society but when I look at John Boehner and the GOP I see a whole lot of evil permeating and destroying our society. When I look at the GOP I see people like Palin and Bachmann and Limbaugh and Cantor spreading their hate and their bigotry and racism and taking America one hundred years backward to the Jim Crow era. I see Sarah Palin inspiring a vicious gunman not to retreat but to reload and kill a bunch of innocent and patriotic flag waving Americans. If the immigration reform in question includes deporting Sara Palin and her racist friends to southern Siberia then I'm all for immigration reform.
Once again Joe, you are wrong. Most of the illegal aliens don't come here to live the American Dream. Instead, they remain polarized in their own communities and refuse to learn English and assimilate into the American culture. They sneak back and forth over the border to visit family members and pull their children from school to attend local holidays. Over 60% of the illegal children in the Los Angeles school system do not even graduate from low standard high schools. Why are the top radio stations in Southern California in Spanish if they have come here to live the American Dream? Oh yea, and this is a discussion of illegal immigration, not some weird lefty display of paranoia.
Actually, they are all criminals. That's why they're called ILLEGAL Aliens. They committed a crime by crossing the border ILLEGALLY.
The minute to cross US borders without proper documentation and willing refuse to comply, you break federal law.
That would qualify as criminal.
I question some of the statements of the article. I also question the logic.
We are working on immigration reform. A couple of these reforms are called SB 1070 and HB 87; unfortunately, they don't seem to be very popular among illegals. Oh sorry, Massey, you mean granting mass amnesty and eventual open border policies so that we can continue to "change the face of America". What a bunch of crap.
How about interviewing the police departments down at the border states and I'm sure they will tell you that people continue to cross the border. Stop putting a bandage over the wound and enforce the law. I don't agree on a reform program for the fact that if you fine the illegals and award citizenship what if they don't pay the fine do you really think we will deport them. We are going to have a major problems 10 to 15 years trying to fix the problems
"According to estimates from the Mexican Migration Project, which I co-direct, the rate of new undocumented migration from Mexico dropped to zero in 2008 for the first time in 50 years."
That's a damn lie. I stopped reading right there. I live on the border so I know this is false.
I'm trying to stop laughing.....I'm a border girl, too.
I was listening to a sport radio in los angeles and the game agianst the USA and Mexico (Soccer game) there were 100 thousand fans at the Rose Bowl 90 percent were cheering for Mexico and the announer was speaking spanish (No English doing the game) . When they leave the game they don't live in Mexico they live here. Wow duel citizenship is
great!!!! We have alot of mexican citizenships who are lawyers, state officials, business owners and etc. If you don't agree with this major problem with illegal immigration how about rallying and protesting down in Mexico City for better life for your people.
If you believe that the influx of illegal (don't try and give it a pretty name – undocumented) has really been at 0% since 2008 then I have some real estate in New York state to sell you. These people are sucking badly needed resources out of our system. It's time to shut down the party, even if it means higher food prices and labor prices....
Well said...
There is no need for reform, the only thing wrong with our immigration policy is lack of enforcement. A professor at PU, what a surprise. I happen to be a resident of New Jersey and believe me his views are not shared by the majority of people living here.
You're right Bob, it sure is a lot easier to support illegal immigration when you're a sociology professor at some ivory tower at Princeton than having to live amongst the repercussions. I bet he'd change his tune if he had to live in some of the cities here in Southern California where no one speaks English and have been trashed beyond recognition. Legal citizens dare not venture into those cities and they have to send their kids to private schools and private ER clinics because the illegals have taken over. It's disgusting that a country would allow itself to be so adversely affected by not enforcing its own sovereignty.
Is it just me or does it seem weird that we put up all these barriers so that people have to risk their lives in the harsh dessert with dangerous people to get into this country and if they happen to survive we say congratulations!? Here is your path to citizenship! Is that ethical? Is our message to the world this: You can try to come become an American legally and have about zero chance or you can risk death and get rewarded. It seems that we should either open the border completely allowing whoever to come in from all parts of the globe or we should allow only those that come here legally and not have a reward system that gives to only those that risk death. I mean why not just have gladiator matches and those who survive get to be Americans. Wouldn't that be the same??
NO- we put up barriers so people have a visual reminder that they're reached a border and need to proceed to a checkpoint in order to cross over in proper order.
Why die in the desert when you can just sashay yourself to a border crossing and stroll over like a respectable human being? Are these too stupid to know they can use border crossings?
Better yet, Leanndra, do you think these and the American people don't realize that these people have that option?
The vapid emotionalism that denies actualities on this topic borders on delusional!
Author doesn't really know whether his stats are right or not, but maybe they help him get funding for his project or his agenda. People don't tell the truth if it 's not in their interest. Especially in this matter. It is irrelevant whether immigrunts want to voluntarily obey the law or not. If I rob a bank the cops don't sit back and wait for me to turn myself in, and if they did would I get amnesty? Can't we get a commentary that starts out with the premise that the law must be obeyed and will be enforced. I have lived abroad & I have yet to see another country that doesn't care about its borders.
Maybe we should just mail US Passports and citizenship papers to anybody in the world who wants them. We could also send applications (in their native language) for food stamps, subsidized housing, Medicaid, etc. This would save all those people the trouble of having to sneak across the border or take an "anchor baby" flight into the country.
Reforms were due over 20 years ago, when these scratch-backs and wet-backs started to come over here and take America's jobs.. And we allowed it because we're a capitalistic, greedy society. Now, we're not making enough money and we want our jobs back...
My dear north americans, do not be stupid, USA needs to do an immigration reform NOW ! Legalize everybody and the economic will go up at an historic rate. The banking sector, aviation, real state, car industry, universities, etc... Billions of us dollars would be generated by the legalization of the illegals.
I will leave it to the imagination all of the other things that will go up if we do as you suggest.
These are 3rd world refugees with no culture of education or skills. 47% of Americans currently pay no income taxes at all. These new legal illegal aliens would generally not pay any income taxes but would further burden medicare, social security, welfare and infrastructure. Why would we do something so "stupid"?
I understand, but, something must be done about this situation. A responsible immigration reform must be approved for a long term. And believe me, the best way is legalizing all illegals, and from that time, after the reform, no illegals should be allowed in this country. Problem solved.
3rd world refugees with no education? b*tch please. i had to leave the US after our family was scammed by 'lawyers' during an asylum process. there is no easy way for people to come to the us legally, some people have no choice and must do so to flee violence. and even if you make it there they make it almost impossible for you to stay legally. sure some are only in it to make money to send back home but thats not representative of the entire latino population. my father was deported unfairly, because we NEVER received a letter telling us to leave the country after the process came to an end so we were branded 'illegasl' and removed form the country without a chance to leave on our own terms. they came to pick him up at his workplace and put him in county jail for two days with people who ACTUALLY do break the law until they flew him out (and we paid for that too in case you want to accuse us of leeching of gvt funds). our address was up to date, our documents up to date, we owned a house which we rented and lived in an apartment, my father was a licensed senior electrician after having gone to school as an electronics engineer in our home country. and i am a certified computer technician since high school. we all paid taxes and worked, and we had medical insurance. hardly the welfare, money sucking leeches you speak about. check your 'facts', you speak only on the stereotypes that have been put out there by the right wing media.
TAISO, YOUR FATHER ACTUALLY IS A CRIMINAL! he entered our country illegally, took a job that a skilled american should have been working and people like him hold wages low for american citizens. i'm glad he was deported. but i'm sad they didn't include you and the rest of the family.
jake he didn't take the job from anyone, are you skilled enough to hold a position like that? wow talk about feeling entitled to things. matter of fact most of the people working in that trade in Charlotte are immigrants, bosnian, eastern european, and other hispanics as well. thats not to say there aren't hard working Americans in it, but im just illustrating the fact that you just don't 'steal' a job from someone by showing up, they don't just hand out jobs. you go and apply if you're good enough, you get it.
and if it makes you feel better yes we did have to leave the USA. but i leave you with a question, is illegally staying in a country to save your life from insurgents (yes kid real problems like you wouldn't imagine, but i guess gas prices and the economy would be the end of days for someone who's lived a sheltered life and never left the continental US) more of a crime than say an american committing armed robbery, rape, or murder? oh and on the last point. hold wages low? are you stupid, you base that point on what, you want a copy of his w-2? he probably made more a year than you make right now, and he paid taxes. he got paid what anyone in his position would have, 19 dollars an hour doesn't sound like under cutting wages to me kid. and he had the skills to go from sweeping floors in a warehouse to almost becoming a superintendent electrician in his company in less than 10 years. so don't give the 'oooh you're taking our jerbs' excuse. step up and TAKE the jobs, dont expect them to be handed to you. but dont let this 22 year old 3rd world country filth with no education school you any further, ignorance...
Problem not solved. Amnesty was tried in the 80's and it resulted in over 20 million more illegal immigrants entering this country. Granting amnesty to 20 million more illegals plus their direct relatives will forever change this country for the worse. San Diego is a beautiful and prosperous city, yet walk a few yards into Mexico and you are faced with corruption and abject poverty in Tijuana. What's wrong with wanting to protect a country's borders? The rest of the world does it and Mexico, especially, is hard on anyone caught in their country illegally. Enforce the borders, enforce current immigration laws, enforce e-verify and employer sanctions and tax money being sent/wired out of the country as income if the the sender doesn't have a valid social security number. Now problem is solved.
It was tried in 1987 but applied only to before 1982 arrivals.Those arriving between 1982 and 87 are still here. Some of them were infants then and almost 30 now. They are still undocumented. They speak perfect English without an accent, have no criminal record and this is the only country they have ever known.Yet, they cannot have a driver's license or a Social Security number. They do not exist. Don't you think they have been punished enough already for what they were not to be blamed in the first place?
We owe them not only instant Citizenship BUT ALSO AN APOLOGY!!!
IN REPLY TO ALE, GO FU+K YOURSELF AND THE WETBACK WHO BROUGHT YOU HERE.
what are you smoking? reagan did exactly what you ask in 1986. that got us at least 30 million more illegals looking for amnesty. i don't care if you are from china, canada, or mexico. if you are illegal, you need to get out!
There is a war coming against those ten million intruders. They will not win.
Redskins said the same thing a while ago...
WE HAVEN'T PLAYED COWBOYS AND ILLEGAL ALIENS YET!
It was more of a revolution, but I heard the same thing.
Just send them home and allow them to re-enter legally.
Enforce existing laws. I am required to obey the laws and they should be required to do the same.
I've read the above posts with some interest. I'm a republican however, instead of arguing as to the correct solution, how do we fix the problem, really? Our elected officials won't budge. What can we, as US citizens, do to enforce the word illegal? Is there a website set up that will help?
Next Google and Microsoft are already on their way to start in India and else were. We need to fix skilled immigration backlog for green cards. People who have advanced degree and worked in US are leaving US to work in India because of huge backlog in green cards for the. Remember when they go they take with them lots of jobs and expertise, which will never come back again.
Are you kidding me? Where does the author live..somewhere in the northern climes? Spend some time in our border states and you'll see first-hand that this whole article is entirely wrong and based on erroneous information.
Bring our boys home from overseas and post them on the border. We need them to help fight the smuggling of humans and drugs into this country. We need to take care of our own business before all else.
Was thinking the same thing. Must be someone in the East that hasn't been to the border and flipping numbers around to create a story that clearly is way off! Anyone that has lived or even been to the border knows there is a HUGE problem!
I live in border state – albeit MN. When coming down into the US on the back roads or via a lake the illegals are asked to stop into the nearest immigration office in Duluth – a 100+ miles away. The billboard that makes the request also clearly states that this is necessary due to budget cuts.
Living in Minneapolis I see daily the financial impact of the loaded fully burdened costs of allowing illegal immigration.
Please explain to me how the federal government is allowed to continue a policy of open uncontrolled borders.
They are draining the resource pool that was filled by tax dollars – they are stealing plain and simple.
I personally believe that Obama is committing an act of treason by not taking immediate action to close the borders.
Please correct me if I am wrong – but it not one of the primary responsibilities of the office of the president to protect the citzens and prot4ect our borders?
Why isn't there a way to hold him and AG Holder accountable? His lack of concern for this country should be basis for him not being reelected. Granted we have other problems we need to address – but we need to stop illegal immigration – revoke the citizenship of anchor babies and deport any illegal who has committed a crime.
History repeats itself – just ask the Brits and see what happened. Dial back a little further and see what happened to the Roman Empire when they could not defend their borders.
If nothing else start with the Muslims – here in MN we lead the nation in supplying Somalian terrorists.
Some of them should be here and there are many who should not. Once identified to have terrorist ties due process is not an option anymore – just ask the Brits, the French and the Germans.
Unfortunately liberal America would rather be PC then to protect the republic, our children and our grandchildren.
I find some most american's attitude regarding immigration quite arrogant, racist and in most cases ignorant. While every immigrant situaction is different there are some misconcepts I'd like to address. Not all illegal immigants are mexican. Not all of them are even hispanic...but it seems like american society suffers from panic attacks every time this issue comes up and blame them for any mal-functioning regulation is there. However...no action is taken. If americans are afraid that an immigrant that barely speaks English, have no working permit or other documentation, did not even finish highschool, etc is going to compete with them for a job??? then they really need to work on their skills. Immigrants take american's tax money....mmm a lot of immigrants pay taxes with a tax id number which is given to them very quickly, no questions asked (Uncle Sam could not care less if they are here legally or not as long as they pay). Most cases a good portion of their salaries (a lot of them manage to get a good job using their tax id#) is being taken for Social Security for benefits and/ or retirement they know thay cannot apply for because their status (I wonder where that money is going??...oh yes...american's have a social security card that use to ask for food stamps, welfare and other benefits...yeah! that must be it). Economic crisis was caused mainly because credits to buy houses were given for values much higher than the actual value of the house purchased...most of illegal aliens cannot apply to buy a house...I don't think they have much to do with it.
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After all this you guessed that right: I have been an illegal immigrant for 10 years with an adjusted status at this moment. I had paid taxes, my english is better than many american's and yes: I took the job from other american's that applied but were not as good as me
It should be a human right to choose were to live as long as you comply with the regulations of the country you choose to live in...is time to work on fair regulations. The rest of the world is thinking we are a little weird on this side of the planet.
It should be a human right to choose were to live as long as you comply with the regulations of the country you choose to live in...is time to work on fair regulations. The rest of the world is thinking we are a little weird on this side of the planet.
The above is foul. You want cah, you don't want human rights. Liar
Do you mean cash? No...thanks! I have enough. I earned it working decently. I do want to have the right to choose where to live. What is the legal procedure for a normal person in another country to come to live in USA legally? Besides getting married to an american, having an outrageous career or 1 millionUSS to start a business here? What is the legal procedure for a person with impecable background, 4 years of college and the desire to live in the USA? Can anybody answer please? I think THAT is what needs to be fixed.
You hate us you say...America must be proud of having such a citizen...
You're lying.
Most of the world will deport you or even throw you in some god-awful prison without counsel if they catch you in their country illegally.
Ask Mexico what they're policy is on illegal immigation?!
You're delusional.
Maria, you might be a hard worker but you're not that bright.
The "procedure" (aka federal law) you swear doesn't exist can be found here:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=d84d6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=d84d6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD
The stupidity and ignorance about this is astounding!!
If you fell that way move to Japan and see how far you get. They are on the other side of the planet. Or better yet go back where you came from.
I am an american citizen now. Does this change your perception? Please be careful...you never know who could end up being you boss.
Still waiting for answers to my questions above. Thanks.
Aberqueen,
Thanks for the link, I have visited that site before many times during my application. Chapter 4 of the Naturalizacion Program states clearly what you need to become a citizen. First you need to be a permanent resident. You become a permanent resident by: marring to an american citizen, working for a non profit organization under some circumstances, serving the US Army, working for an american corporation...there is a complete list here: http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476.pdf. My question stays the same: what is the legal path for someone that is not married to an american is not a religious worker, does not work for a non profit or an american corporation or does not serve in the US Army? I am talking about regular people, like I said: speaking good English, with some years of college, honest with no spots in criminal background... just wanted to come and live in USA. Is there a legal, reasonably long, reasonably priced path??
Maria;
I'm guessing you are from a latino heritage because of your name. So am I. Althoug you are right about some illigal immigrants paying taxes, the big majority take more than they put. By the way, did you mention that lots of them do get paid under the water? That they take partial paycheck and get some cash on the side? That much of the money they make goes back to their country of origin and does not get re-invested here? That the US goverment has to pay for their health care, schools, etc. I say let them apply and get skilled, but charge them or their goverment. When you said they don't compite with citizens for jobs, of course they do. Are you telling me that if we stop undocumented costruction people from working for $10.00 hr there would be no citizens to work in costruction? Maybe not for 10.00 hr, but you bet there will be.
Most Us citizens and legal immigrants also pay less into the system than they take. It is because they don't make enough.THAT IS the idea behind the concept of taxation. Your quarrel is with poverty and taxation and you think it is with illegal immigration
Roman, what I said is that with a tax ID # you can get paid totally by check and taxes are deducted from you payroll (as with any other american) also deducted is money for the social security (as with any other american) My question is: where is that money going to? The worker cannot apply to get any benefits because of immigration status...
And don't take me wrong...I do know there is a lot of money under the table that flies back to other countries. On the other hand...10/hr is not bad money ( I have worked for much less) why americans don't take those jobs now instead of waiting for immigrants to be sent back and all that blah blah.
I do believe what they say: "the higher the wall at the border...the higher the ladder on the other side" This is not only a matter of force.
what you say is garbage. you are illegal! so do us a favor and GO BACK TO WHEREVER YOU CAME FROM.
It's time to deport these criminals. If they offer amnesty this country is done for.
The author has absolutely no credibility. We have news reports of at least 5 boats from Mexico trying land on our Southern California beaches in the middle of the night in the last 72 hours. These are not pleasure seekers, these are people illegally entering the US.
Mr. Massey is woefully ignorant about what it takes to control illegal immigration. We need first of all to deny jobs to people in the country illegally. Ever since we were promised worksite enforcement in 1986 to end illegal immigration we have been waiting for the promised enforcement. E-Verify is the closest thing we have that would end illegal employment, but our government and of course businesses are opposed to making E-Verify mandatory to check all jobs. And it is estimated that 40% of people in the country illegally entered legally but overstayed their tourist visas. Where is the entry/exist system to detect these overstayers – the system that was called for in 1996 by law?
Simply telling us that there is no more illegal immigration doesn't make it so. When the government has cleared the workforce of the over 8 million people now working illegally, then and only then will I believe that the government is actually doing something to control illegal immigration. And as far as legalization goes, any proposal is a non starter as long as there are illegal workers in our workforce.
The author is propaganda – izing. That essay is sheer malarky. Secure the schools, secure the workplace secure, end the anchor baby entitlement and then maybe we can send these people back on a social securiity liek check for ten years. After that the US immigration system is int he hole for 10 million. DC has to pay that back to the US citizens. No, the Dems won't get those votes.
Amnestyfiles... you lie to our face and call us bigots when you are caught. Don't expect cooperation if you are lookign for any. We hate you.
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Is this article joke? The border is under control? Seriously? How can CNN even allow an article like this to be published? This is pure leftist propaganda for the masses. Judging from the comments nobody is buying it, see ya next round you clowns.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA! THAT"S RIGHT. WHAT A GOOD JOKE.
Why can't we just load them into cattles cars and send them back ? What would be wrong with that ?
You are really wacko ! It has NEVER been zero illegals coming across. How much are they paying you to write that? Apparently you don't watch the cameras or live near the border. One sick writer does not say the truth.
You are a fool, the majority of American citizens DO NOT want any reform until America's borders are totally secured by a fence and a human force. You are wasting your time just like the Failed President and all his Failed policies, both domestically and foreign/
He is wrong on the facts. The U.S. Border Patrol issued tens of thousands Notices to Appear (NTA's) to illegal Mexican aliens who crossed the border during the year 2008. Tens of thousands. The actual numbers may well be in the hundreds of thousands.
Zero my ass.
What? "rate of new undocumented migration from Mexico dropped to zero in 2008 " Wow – just last night NPR had a reporter on a train in Mexico full of people heading for the border to sneak in, talking about all the dangers, etc. "Zero" – yeah, right.
The reality is, we need to do it all. Allow more in legally. Streamline the process to immigrate legally. And secure the border. And there is no reason we cannot do all three of those at the same time. The real hard part is what to do about all those already here. That, however, can certainly wait until the first three are done.
Massey writes, "For years, conservatives and many liberals have stated their unwillingness to consider comprehensive immigration reform until “America regained control of its borders.” That moment has arrived." Massey is clearly equating the alleged zero illegal entries that has been the case since 2008 with America having regained control of its borders. Because no one tried to cross the line means that the line is uncrossable? Such a fatally flawed conclusion can only be the result of egregiously flawed reasoning. This, of course, casts great doubt on Massey's academic rigor, research and conclusions. Is this the kind of "academic rigor" he teaches and promotes at Princeton?
How is it that the Border Patrol has not been reporting zero unlawful border crossings since 2008 and why has Obama increased the number of BP agents and sent members of the Reserves to assist them with controlling the border? Why does the mainstream press continue to report instances of Mexican nationals being caught trying to illegally enter the US by boat off the CA coast? Why are there continued reports in the mainstream media of incidents of assaults on BP agents guarding our land border with Mexico? While these are, admittedly, anecdotal reports, they are no more anecdotal than the personal interviews with the Orozco family on which Massey relies, as reported in the NYT. These verified reports may, in fact, be more accurate and indicative of what may reasonably be concluded than are the taped interviews made by someone with a clear political agenda. Why hasn't the BP reported it has nothing to do since 2008? Does this not also cast doubt on the accuracy, if not the verity, of Massey's alleged report and his statements? One might also note that this article presents more like a political opinion piece than an academic essay, right down to all the unsupported and wildly asserted conclusions. When did academic researchers begin advocating for political outcomes in mainstream media pieces, based on purported academic studies? Is this common for Princeton faculty?
Does Prof. Massey provide a link to to his complete report, so that those whom he seeks to sway politically may read it in its entirety? I do hope the report includes a detailed explanation of his research methodology.
Are you kidding me! Illegals are still coming in like crazy. What a biased article. Everytime I see a Mexican family the women have 3 or four hanging on and another in the bun. And we the taxpayers pay for these illegal babies until they are adults and beyond. And there is no such thing as "undocumented illegals", they are ILLEGALS period. They have broken Federal law and if our government had the balls they all should arrested and deported. Illegals have the nerve to protest nad demand rights, they have no rights period.
I wouldn't consider another amnesty program until they eliminate the automatic citizenship of children born here to non-Americans as well as chain migration. If you think that we have almost 12 million illegals, mostly from 3rd world countries, the amount of people they could sponsor would be almost 60 million more. Really aren't these people going to sponsor their elderly non-English speaking parents and adult siblings? If that doesn't turn us into Mexico, I don't know what will. If we're one of the greatest magnets, why do we set no standards for immigrants, namely English speaking and educated?
They are ILLEGAL. GTFO of this country if you are illegal and if you support them. This is disgusting. If only I could choose a law to break and get free everything. I'm sure people would love to go out and sell/do drugs, murder, and steal and in return get free health care, welfare, and education. Go home spics.
I AGREE. no amnesty of any kind for these criminals. yes, CRIMINALS! illegally cross our border, use our social/education systems, and then STEAL SOMEONES SS NUMBER TO GET WORK. the only pathway to u.s. citizenship that should be offered is: 1) go back to mexico 2) start the immigration process and wait your turn.
It is not an issue until someone makes one of it. Usually around an election...and then it is forgotten for another four years.
Congress has more than enough on its plate and should concentrate on fixing the jobs issue, or housing from banks making billions in profit by throwing people out.
This is obfuscation at it's worst.
What you really are saying is, "It's not an issue as long as people ignore it." Immigration is "on the plate."
OBFUSCATE: To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand.
Isn;t this just was you are doing, e?
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As soon as the author quoted DHS (publicized) statistics, I knew this wasn't worth reading...
Why call it immigration? It's ILLEGAL immigration! You are right, we must reform our policy. First, change the law from not using certified border crossings to a felony. Second, legally change border protection duties to the US Military. Third, as they train for battle in all types of terrain North, South, East and West, they can diligently secure our borders with the treat of extremely hostile recourse. Fouth, drug runners will be dealt with as well. Fifth, as illegals are found, be it individually, groups or at busted job sites, all of their possessions are confiscated (helping to pay the costs) and they are deported with nothing; no means of support.
I'm for immigration reform. Let's reform the penalties for not enforcing existing immigration laws and put half the government in jail for failure to enforce.
Yep, secure the border and also deport all of the illegals. If they come back again, it's prison time
Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.
Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?
How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?
But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
True. Political correctness is destroying the civilized world. Can't talk about immigration reform without being called racist, yet no one says anything about Hispanic racists. La Raza and the rest of the Hispanic organizations are some of the biggest racists out there.
Does anyone here know what Mexican law is regarding immigration into Mexico? I don't. What would happen to me if I were to go into Mexico "undocumented" i.e no passport, no visa, no driver's license, no birth certificate, and unable to read, write or speak Spanish. Would I be jailed if detained by the Federales for something like a traffic ticket and no "papers" of any kind? I suspect that I would be. Would they lock me up for drunken, disorderly behavior like fighting in a bar? Probably. What about possession of a firearm? Robbery? Running from a cop? Would I get locked up there?
You bet I would. And you can bet that no American embassy would be notified in a timely manner either. I'd probably be held incommunicado for a while (or long enough to pay off some corrupt police chief) and then, if I were lucky, I'd be
dumped into the hands of the American authorities at some crumbling bridge on the Riio Grande.
Immigration reform should be done. And it's relatively simple: strict reciprocity. Anyone crossing from Mexico into the
U.S. illegally "undocumented" should be handled exactly as I would be if I tried the same thing in the other direction.
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Illegal immigrants were in this Country because this system did facilitation, where illegal immigrants violate a Civil not Criminal instance and the real responsible are the body of executive and judiciary.
Chosen for each voters (American Voters) on pasts election day . Maybe there is compulsory voting here, nothing would have happened
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The word "undocumented" is used in every paragraph. "Illegal," never.
Sociologists truly are useless eaters. Worse than useless, actually, as they customarily do their best to rip apart the society they "study."
every time i make a post about my anger with our failed immigration policy i get BRANDED AS A RACIST! always by a racist illegal mexican. illegal mexicans are the most racist people on the planet.and they have the backing of racist organizations like LA RAZA AND MECHA. these racist org's even get american taxpayer money to continue uncontroled illegal immigration of mexicans. I'M A 35 YR OLD WHITE MAN, OHHHH, HE'S DEFINATELY RACIST? i married my wife of 3 yrs who is from the philippines. she is a very sweet and loving wife and i am so glad the lord let me find her. we have a 2 yr old son who looks just like me. but my wife is different, she is here in the U.S. LEGALLY! i met my wife thru a friend's wife who introduced me to her best friend in jan 2007. we talked on the internet for 6 months and then i went to visit her in the philippines for 2 weeks. i fell in love with her and started the paperwork for a fiance visa so she could come to the U.S.A. and we could be married here. the paperwork for homeland security and immigration cost a lot of money, i will not lie. but our paperwork was approved WITHIN 6 MONTHS and she arrived here 2 weeks later in the U.S. since then it cost about 2 thousand more and now she has a permanent residency GREEN CARD. OUR IMMIGRATION PROCESS WORKS AND PEOPLE ARE NOT DENIED IF THEY FOLLOW THE RULES. but many people , esp mexican's believe it is their god given right to jump our border when ever they want and they feel that is acceptable since their government and police can be easily bought for a few peso's. WELL THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS HERE! THE ONLY IMMIGRATION REFORM I ACCEPT IS ILLEGALS LEAVE THE U.S. AND START AT THE BACK OF THE LINE. PAY YOUR FEE'S AND COME HERE LEGALLY! IT WILL COST YOU LESS THAN A COYOTE AND YOU WON'T DIE IN THE DESERT. DO THIS AND WE WILL ACCEPT YOU WITH OPEN ARMS.
first lets disclose, I am American by birth, while Hispanic by name. I often stand on the "wrong" side of the argument because I don't believe those who violate the law should be allowed citizenship. At the end of the day legal resident alien status is what they should receive. A legal resident can accomplish many things in the good ole USA. A citizen can vote and run for national office, picture that, violate the immigration laws of the land, then run for and win, voted in by former illegals. I believe that we, as a nation can accommodate those who arrive, however those who choose to violate the system, irrespective of ethnicity, should not acquire citizenship, that would only diminish its value. I applaud the author for pushing for legalization, yet not calling for citizenship.
people who violate our laws deserve NOTHING! no legal residency status! if that was the case, our country would be OVERRUN! we cannot accept billions of people who will lower our lifestyle and pollute our nation just because of their numbers alone. we cannot sustain that amount of people who want to come here so it must be done in an orderly fashion. PLEASE READ MY POST ABOVE.
Zero people have come into this country from Mexico that are undocumented...first you are a lying liberal as usual trying to tell us your stupid NWO lies that aren't working and you want to promote yourself as someone that is important that you started out in the article...you are full of yourself and full of s***!
FIRST PRIORITY SHOULD BE GIVEN TO DOCTORS, SCIENTISTS, TECHNICIANS, AND OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE. we don't need billions of uneducated people only worthy of farm labor, landscaping, day labor, meat packing, or construction work that puts american's out of work. E VERIFY IS THE ANSWER. NO JOBS, NO ILLEGALS!
What's needed is immigration enforcement by the Federal government, not reform. We can't take in the world when we don't have enough jobs for our own citizens and legal aliens. The economy is in shambles, why do we need to take in more immigrants at this time. I'm not against immigration, all of our forefathers were immigrants, unless you're Native American, but we should open the doors when things are better for everyone.
I believe that immigration of both skilled and unskilled is good for business. And what is good for business is good for us. That is what our forefathers said when they wrote the constitution. The key in this global economy is: where will the big corporations go. And I am afraid that with huge emerging middle class of India and China, we will loose our edge to the emerging economies IF we donot have a way to attract new and existing businesses to grow here and stay here.
If we will remain the magnet to big businesses, we will keep our prosperity and our way of life as we know it. That will also keep our children and grand children employed for long times to come.
My guess is that it is time to change the immigration policy to encourage skilled workforce, but at the same time meet the demands of the businesses and keep the unskilled workforce for reasons explained above. Because COLD HARD TRUTH IS businesses need to compete globally and we got to keep'em here.
"If we will remain the magnet to big businesses, we will keep our prosperity and our way of life as we know it. "
"what's good for business is good for America"
"America is the business nation. We do what is best for a business."
Bullsh*t! You and your view of what America is all about is the very thing that is destroying this country. Everything
you have said here represents the philosophy of the oligarchical corporate and political movers and shakers that
run this country. You represent the kind of elitism that is symbolized by the Koch brothers and the CEOs of corporations like British Petroleum, the defunct Enron Corporation, and AIG. You represent "rule by the rich".
"Rule of a few" – You ain't seen that yet! Have you analyzed Russia, China, India or other semi-socialistic countries. A person who gets rich there remains rich for generations. A person who is born poor, stays poor most of his life, seldom gets quality education. Its only in American system you go from zero to the top with a few years of hard work. And if you make stupid mistakes you go bust like, Enron or AIG. In other countries, big corporations NEVER go bust.
I am a living proof. I wasn't born privileged, but I get by just fine now.
I know of people whose whole families are on disability benefits or social programs. They surely must know some good doctor or attorney. They have just adapted themselves to live on those meager means. Every once in a while, they would fix a car or mow your lawn to get cigarette or booze money. Social programs give you a candy to suck for rest of your life – you claim disability and they disable you for life. All the while the train of life just passes you by.
I feel sorry for you, my friend..
AM Reilly, Don't need or want your sympathy, and you're no friend of mine. Go sit next to Ayn Rand, Calvin Coolidge, Rush
Limbaugh and Glen Beck. They'll help you absorb all of your arrogant, nationalistic, oligarchic blather.
"Business uber alles" you say?...America uber alles? Go buy yourself another politician if you can. Man, you're dangerous!
Only 'Sympathy' is all I can offer you free of charge.. Rest will cost you $$ you won't be able to afford because I have seen your pocket.
Other adjectives are wrong, but yes, I am nationalistic.. to the core.
And you will still be my friend until you continue to enjoy living in my country.
I forgot to mention in my article below: Congress should put a restrictions on the green card holders so they can’t get on to social programs. Social programs hinder growth and free immigration. Ask Canada, they want immigration but can’t get rid of their free healthcare for all so they keep on choosing people. Their govt is always one step behind what businesses are looking for. If it were not for their massive oil reserves and close proximity to America, God only knows where would be Canada. Social programs shld be limited only to the elderly and disabled, who deserve our attention. There shld be strong punishments for lawyers and doctors to declare someone wrongfully disabled. That problem needs to be fixed, but so does this immigration issue. WHY NOT ASK YOUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH THE SAME STONE.
do yourself a favor and shut the hell up. i for one am open to discuss this matter with anyone here in a civilized manner. i wont try to force my agenda onto them but i just illustrate my POV from someone who has received the label of being illegal, but pretty much breaks all of your stereotypes. but you bring nothing to any conversation...neither do the dozens of people who by default treat foreigners (especially those coming form south of the border as sub-human). i'd like to know what you do for a living to see if any of this 'illegals are taking our jerbs' talk even affects anyone like you.
this message is directed to jake by the way
America is the business nation. We do what is best for a business. That makes new businesses get started here, and then when they prosper here we do everything we can to keep them here. THAT keeps our kids employed. We are passing through a down cycle but that shouldn't mean that we loose prospective totally and misunderstand what has made America the greatest nation on earth. It is freedom, entrepreneurship, most business friendly regulations and yes, immigration.
America has always imported human labor, both skilled and un-skilled. We have grown to become the best because we have the best. And that is why businesses get started here and we retain them here. When only a few businesses went bust, did you see the real estate market, the stock market and the economy. India is subsidizing education to its children, China is subsidizing production. If we donot compete and/or provide the laws and the labor to retain the businesses here and keep the growth from happening here, these businesses will start to do production elsewhere. Now you may say whatever you want that you won't buy from such a business, but truth is that is not a workable solution. The best and the only solution is to keep the environment in America most congenial for business start-ups, their growth and their retention. IF YOU DISAGREE, TELL ME WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AUSTRALIA OR UK AND USA. They have similar land laws, there is peace, no chaos. What is the difference. Do you think us, Americans are special people?? ALL WE HAVE IS A WAY TO GET A NEW BUSINESS STARTED FROM GROUND UP AND WE KNOW HOW TO KEEP IT HERE!!!
If you could make xyz laws to keep businesses here, Australia, or Canada or UK or Germany would have already done that and beaten us. They cannot because there is no way of doing that, other than writing a remarkable constitution like ours, that proclaims freedom and business friendly governance and regulations.
At this time, Indian and Chinese middle class, which is huge, is coming up. They own nothing but have newly found purchasing power and want everything. This was the same case 50 or 60 years back when our middle class was coming up and we went straight to the top. In today's economy which is global, if we keep the businesses here and export the quality finished product to the ever so large middle class of these countries, America will remain number 1 in business and economy. But, if we fail, we will end up exporting our corporations to these nations at our own loss.
50 years ago there was a port in Turkey which was the second busiest port for business in the world at that time. Does anyone know its name? There was a change in the govt of Turkey at that time and immigrants and other businessmen (mostly of European origin) sensed that to be a hardline extremist regime taking over. Today no one knows the name of the port and Turkey is still trying to enter the European Union hoping to be alive once more!!
If history is any measure, we should refrain from adopting a hardline stance, but take world as our playground and buy/sell, export/import at global levels and in global markets. There will be brand new businesses that will spring up to face new challenges and reap the rewards of these global developments. My only hope is that they should be American and headquartered right here in Cincinnati, or Chicago, St Louis, Los Angles, New York or anywhere else but in this great USA.
NO REILLY, YOU ARE WRONG
You know our universities are the best only because we let cream in and it churns cream out. If we stop attracting cream from all over the world because of narrow immigration policies or narrow business policies, our universities will start going down in ranks. Good breeds Good and Bad breeds Bad!
I firmly believe in all that I said above, but will be very happy to hear your opposing theory of WHAT MAKES AMERICA BETTER/Different than any other nation on earth.
All these poor theories of govt. of getting only engineers in or only doctors or only post-grads in are all non-sense. DO AS BUSINESS REQUIRES and we will keep our engine of growth smoking.
There already is a "pathway to citizenship" but its not easy enough for some who want it in 5 minutes or less. Sorry, but this "life boat" is full and no one wants to be burdened with paying for illegals anymore.
I just wish one "reform" huckster would specify exactly HOW the current citizenship pathway is a "hardship" to illegal immigrants.
Duh- it's not supposed to be EASY to move into ANY country. You're SUPPOSED to work for it!
Entitlement welfare mentality for foreigners- grrrr!
No more immigrants, legal or illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any route to citizenship for illegals will only encourage another larger flood of illegals to enter the country. It's what happened the last time and will happen again if amnesty is granted. No more amnesties of any sort, mass deportations are needed and needed now.
To ccc you bought it fair and square how is holding a gun to someones head and forcing them to sign it fair and square that sounds like a robbery to me.You are the immigrants here in New Mexico. All the things you say we do to you you really did to us we lost our language our traditions our land everything to your immigration. You brought a foreign flag here not the other way around. It's not just us either you stole from Haiti Hawaii so many You attacked us when we were down we had nothing left after the war with Spain you like vultures saw you chance and took it you rebelled in Texas not for freedom but so you could own slaves. Heres the worst part the worst part i want to be a American i Want to be proud of this country but how can i when you enslave the world so you can have the freedom the stuff your fat face with mc donalds
I hope when every you tourist came to New Mexico you see the irony.
ANYBODY KNOW THIS Douglas S. Massey's EMAIL ADDRESS ?
THESE SO-CALLED IVY LEAGUE "ELITES" (like Fareed Zakaria, etc) ARE HELL-BENT ON TURNING THIS COUNTRY INTO HAVING A THIRD WORLD QUALITY OF LIFE. THESE PEOPLE ARE SUCH HYPOCRITES, ....THEY THEMSELVES LIVE IN GATED COMMUNITIES, THEY DO NOT ALLOW ILLEGALS TO LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THEM,. THEY DON'T SEND THEIR KIDS TO LATINO SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THEY DO NOT SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY ON THE FREEBIES FOR THE ANCHOR BABIES, ....AND NOW THIS Massey EXPECTS THAT THESE LAW BREAKERS WILL "OBEY" A POINT SYSTEM ??
THE TRAITORS ARE Massey, Zakaria, etc. THEY ARE THE CANCER THAT'S DESTROYING AMERICA.
HOW DID THIS GUY GET A JOB AT PRINCETON ? This shows the "standard" of Princeton today.
SEND ALL THE ILLEGALS TO LIVE IN THE AREA WHERE THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE Douglas S. Massey LIVES.
"According to estimates from the Mexican Migration Project, which I co-direct, the rate of new undocumented migration from Mexico dropped to zero in 2008 for the first time in 50 years." This statement would be NEWS to just about every Arizonan living near the border with Mexico. ZERO? Give me a break. All you have to do is look at the thoroughfares that have been set up by illegal immigrants from Mexico to the US. It's sufficient to attract the attention of the Mexican drug cartels, who prey upon the illegals, using them as "mules" to cart their illegal cargo for them. The border is not secure. If it was, why would so many Arizonans complain about it? Why would many southern Arizona businesses accept the presence of illegal immigrants in the yards of rural Arizonans as a legitimate reason for not coming to work on a particular day? This is no story, it's true. And spreading misinformation about a very real problem won't make it go away.
illegal is illegal– the border is not safe and Douglas Massey is living in a dream world in this article, or on the north pole, as the information is not base on real life near the border. Your think the the illegal respect the America way of life (HA) some have lived here for years and still will not speak english, will carry the Mexican flag to protest that Americans are not fair to illegals. Don't get me wrong a lot are good worker and great people BUT the fact is the law has been broken, #1 by cross the border illegally #2 working illegally #3 driving illegally #4 using someone S/S number illegally i think that is enough laws to break so to deport is the only answer. Do it legal and you are welcome do it illegally be deported.
Douglas S. Massey must be on crack. Stand 5 minutes by the Mexican border and your zero or negative illegal immigration claim goes "hasta la vista, baby"
They're still coming in significant numbers to continue to be a major problem to people living in the real world, not the fantasy world Mr. Massey lives in.
I've recently been to Mexican border towns and the locals don't even pretend this doesn't go on. They actually point out gathering places and sell immigration kits to those making the trip North.
If "our" politicians sell us out and grant amnesty, they should a least do it without attaching citizenship with it. Permanent residency should be the most these law breakers get. The penalty should be no citizenship, ever!
The only reform our immigration policies needs is that it needs to be enforced.
I agree, we need change. Citizenship should be based on whether or not your parents are citizens, not whether you are born here. The constitution needs to adapt to the fact that the USA is now full of people, unlike when the Founding Fathers first started this nation. Citizenship and immigration should be based on legal entry into the country. Illegal entry proves the applicant is unwilling to respect USA law! Period! We need a new visa... Permanent resident without citizenship potential for the person or his/her children. Come here, work, no legal status other than you pay taxes on what you earn. No health benefits. No free schooling, No citizenship for the kids. Children MUST attend school but the immigrant must pay for that school. Heck, a similar immigration system without the school stuff works for the Swiss.
Any time i read comments about any thing i get sick to my stomach people have to stop and remember who built this
country and now you want to put them out.I remember when that disaster happen at the world trade center know one
was talking about immigrant every one was loving one another a few months later where that loving went you could fool your self's my friends but you cant fool the man up there, if you beleave in GOD YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.
You will be taken more seriously when you can write complete sentences in English.
"know one" Do you mean "No one...?"
"Could fool you selfs my..." Do you mean "selves?" here.
Run on sentences, such as those that comprise the above post, are ambiguous at best and dismissed outright at worst.
Syntax is the relation ship of words within a sentence. If one is going to communicate to Americans, one should trouble to learn the use of upper case letters, commas, semicolons, and periods. Otherwise, Kevin, one is simply babbling.
Excuse me Wasabi, did you mean relationship?
I severely doubt that the rate fell to ZERO! No way people are always coming in illegally from Canada and Mexico (thought they aren't always from those countries). My rule if they learn English (which isn't the official language of the USA but is the common language), go to college or serve in the military, and pay a fine of some sort for coming in here illegal, and have no other criminal activities besides illegal immigration, then yeah make them citizens. If its' one that's just here to do nothing good well....
Illegal immigration has been a problem for a long time. Unfortunately it has gotten far worse. WE can't keep providing amnesty every 10 years. Now is the time to fully secure the border, deport all of the illegals, jail those that hire them, and remove all possibility for amnesty moving forward. Without this type of action, we will be facing this problem again and again.
Change the law from about 1979 which President Carter passed: any illegal immigrant who can show that he/she worked in the US for what ever number of years is eligible for social security. So why not come to the States, work illegally, and later show that you worked here and receive social security benefits. Democrats liked it because they will get votes if the illegal immigrants decided to become legal immigrants and Republicans liked it because it made cheap labor available. Not all illegal immigrants know this however many do. Change the law....
Why doesn't Mexico just step up to the plate and take responsibility for the fact that our illegal alien problems are because of their failed policies toward their own people? Everyone is always talking about what WE should do regarding illegal aliens. Well why doesn't Mexico fix the problems that lead to their own people, their hard working laborers, leaving their country and coming here to make a living? Why must THEIR problems become OUR problems?
None of the ranting and ravings on this board matters. In 50 or 75 years everyone in this country will be a nice brown color. You will be assimalated, do not resist.If not you it will be your kids or grandkids
Wrong Manny. In fact, there may well be no more brown people left at all when we get finished.
Points would be awarded for socially desirable behaviors such as paying taxes, learning English, studying civics, holding a steady job, owning a home, parenting U.S. citizen children and generally staying out of trouble. –>good Article but let me ask you this...If a US citizen fail to stay out of trouble..will you throw him/her out of the country?
We have had enough of illegal immigration and illegal aliens. Deport them. There will be no amnesty Pedro. None!
There is no need for immigration reform, the solution to the problem is simple. The social security card has to be changed to a new tamper proof, high tech card only issued to all current American citizens that can easily be verified by any employer. Any worker for any job (current or future) must have this card. No card = no job = no illegal aliens. Any employer big or small has any workers without the card is a $50,000 fine for each offense. Yes there can be VISA and temporary alien workers but that would be by special tamper proof I.D. cards with specific end dates. No bringing whole families and must leave the U.S. at the end of the work permit term. Again any violation by any employer is a $50,000 fine for each occurrence. Again no card = no work = self-deportation = no illegal aliens. Also no welfare, social services, and only emergency medical care for non-citizens. Of course legal immigration is O.K. and would be accommodated. Any illegal aliens found would be deported. Not the solution Liberals are looking for but a solution in accordance with the law. A solution that would enforce existing law by using common sense.
While I am not castigating any doubts on the author’s analysis given that he's a director of the Mexican Migration Project, the overall analysis SOUNDS JUST TOO ROSY to comprehend!
We have debated this a lot, and the only things I would like to say are:
a) FIRST & FOREMOST the borders (Mexican) MUST BE SEALED without which these discussions will NEVER STOP. May be a difficult task but it can be done, given that we are protecting the borders in hostile, far away Afghanistan, and Iraq.
b) We MUST & SHOULD create a legal mechanism for immigrants to work here on a TEMPORARY BASIS, especially those jobs that Americans themselves will not do.
c) We must enforce a STRICT & FINAL CUT OFF to ensure that those here illegally are enrolled in the TEMP legal program after paying STIFF PENALTIES and if they chose not to, dealt with under the law.
d) Laws against companies hiring illegals must be made FOOLPROOF & IMPLEMENTED rigorously.
e) MOST IMPORTANTLY America must also change its OUTDATED CITIZENSHIP BY BIRTH TO APPLY ONLY TO CHILDREN OF LEGAL IMMIGRANTS (NOT even children of TEMPORARY WORKERS)
However, we may need a separate clause for a path to citizenship for children of HI-TECH temporary workers who come here on H1-B etc. whose children are invariably highly qualified and can contribute to America a lot. We also need to offer a ready path to permanent residence to anybody who obtains ADVANCED DEGREES from our REPUTED INSTITUTIONS (NOT bogus Schools!).
Both these steps are most crucial given that the POOL OF HIGHLY EDUCATED AMERICANS that we need to RE-ESTABLISH AMERICA’s COMPETITEVENSS & INNOVATION for the 21st century & beyond is fast dwindling, forcing US companies to look outward to fill the resource gaps.
Countries like Singapore are already doing that!
Only then can we stem this tide and STOP AMERICA's OWN DRIFT INTO A MIDDLE INCOME COUNTRY & FURTHER DOWN!
Amit-Atlanta-USA
The US and Mexican elite profit from our failed immigration and drug policies just as they profit from US mortgage and health care system failures. They profit as we suffer and pay more. Please read what Professor James Petras says about the insidious plot of the elite concerning immigration, drugs, and greed: http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=1855
Many American voters are uninformed and almost brainwashed by immigration propaganda. They are too busy and worried to educate themselves. And what are they busy doing? Trying to feed their families or keep their homes because of the other scams that this elite has raped them (us) by.
We could join together with the Mexican undocumented and pull off a protest that would bring the current immigration system to its knees. We could peacefully force Washington to stop the war on drugs. We could peacefully force them to fix immigration. We could force Washington to peacefully force that corrupt cartel run Mexican government to provide for its own people. The undocumented would go home and stay home if they could make a decent living wage working safely in their own country. But the elite on both sides of the border do not want that. There is too much profit and political millage to be made keeping the immigration and drug policies failing as they are and have been doing for over 40 years. Read below what is really going on:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2010-10-21/news/operation-streamline-costs-taxpayers-millions-tramples-on-the-constitution-treats-immigrants-like-cattle-and-doesn-t-work-so-why-are-the-feds-so-committed-to-it/
Are you ready to bring these knuckleheads to their senses?
http://twopesos-protestfortheundocumented.blogspot.com/2011_03_01_archive.html
It's time... Comprehensive Immigration Reform NOW!!
Because we owe you somehow, right? More of the entitlement mentality that has destroyed the economy of this nation. Doing what you demand will only further destroy it. If you are yourself demanding we do this because you are here illegally, we owe you NOTHING. You and all other illegals have ZERO right to demand we as a nation bow to you and give out whatever you want. Guess what, it is not going to happen... thats not an opinion.
Nope, it's time for deportations and stoning the idiot who wrote this propaganda.
Massey has also published extensively on Mexican immigration, including the books Return to Aztlan (University of California Press, 1987)
Southwestern United States - a Chicano country called Aztlan
Some huffpo writer who hangs out with MEChA?
very simple 3 questions:
1) american or immigrant who work harder? and who have better live?
2) deport all undocumented alien living in usa longtime even have family here ,if amerca can say yes, whole world would say ok?
3) anyone don't pay tax or not pay enough, how to made the solution?
This guy is at Princeton LOL No wonder..he lives in Pennsylvania! I think the southern States need to invite him down there and let him get the real story. Sheesh!
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GOD BLESS THE U.S.!!!
Where I live the police are not allowed to ask them if they are legal and if you accuse them of being illegal in public the police will arrest you.
ZERO? The author is delusional. Does he even get out? When is the last time this guy was in Walmart or Kmart? Has he ever been to a food store to see the newly pregnant with anchor babies spending welfare $? Has he ever been to a school or a hospital? No one believes you Douglas Massey.
I have seen the fraudulent practices first hand.A van pulled up at construction company I do work for with 5 guys in it.They all went in office to apply for jobs.After filling out applications the owner told them everything looked fine except that they all couldn't use the same S.S. number. So they leave and come back 15 min. later with 5 different S.S. numbers.
Ohh, and they got hired.
It's time for Immigration enforcement. Why does CNN censor anyone speaking the truth? It's like they have a stake in the illegals getting amnesty. It;s wrong and they know it. They encourage trolls to piss off the people then when they reply they get booted. I am the txleadhead and have been silenced from protecting my grandkids future. Illegal immigration was wrong when Reagan gave amnesty to six million leeches. It is wrong now for the liberals to try and give 20 million amnesty for future votes. It will also be wrong in the future if we still abide by the Constitution. We not only need to end illegal immigration. We also need to start hanging their greedy employers for treason. I have never broke into anyone's home and demanded anything. Never have, never will. Being a Veteran and Independent voter I will stay loyal to the United States. Shame CNN can't say the same.
"I have never broke into anyone's home and demanded anything. Never have, never will."
What a reputation. Thank you for that!
By the way have ever broken a law, any law, ever, speeding tickets, less payments to IRS, mortgage defaults, drunk driving? Have you been hanged before? This is America, its a democracy, we don't hang people for nothing. Everyone is free to voice their opinion and march in the streets. Punishments are given commensurate with the crime one commits. That shld be how we deal with the undocumented..
I have an idea, why not we export the ones who cannot find job in the first place. We won't need them anytime soon anyway. What's wrong with illegals if they want to work and can find a job at the prevailing wage!!!
Wouldn't forging a SS # to get that job be a federal crime?
Yeah, forging ss # is a crime and that's why I said "punishment commensurate with the crime". But, one must understand the situation they were in when they committed such a crime. Are they habitual criminals? If they are, then definitely kick them out. Don't our courts look at all of this when giving sentences. Do you think all of them are criminals..
Here is the bigger problem. I have been running my business for 12 years and before that I was in some other business. And I am in this town with 20% + unemployment. And I cannot find stable employees. Either they are on social programs and want cash, or they are illegal and want cash or they are in between their unemployment benefits or their girlfriend's and don't stick around for more than a year. I have a struggling business in this grueling economy and I am just spending time re-hiring & retraining my workers.
No wonder there are no hirings going on for last 2 years because businesses are getting fedup. Either they will close down or some who can move will start taking productions overseas. And wonder where will be we then!!
So, when will these unemployment benefits end, when will the social programs end FOR CITIZENS who donot deserve them and are capable of taking a job and when will we settle the immigration issue? AFTER WE HAVE SENT ALL OF OUR PRODUCTION TO INDIA AND CHINA?
The border has not been "controlled". You state that the illegals have voluntarilly chosen to invade the USA at a rate that coincidentally approximate the rate at which they chose to return to Mexico. This happened in 2008, so you say, but could revert to a million a year again once the job market improves. This does not mean that the USA controlls the border, only that high unemployment and a series of new state-level immigration reforms have made this a less hospitable place for illegals to work. And I am sure that you are smart enough to grasp this, but unfortunately not intellectually honest enough to admit it.
Who among you here is an Indian- American? The native indian-Americans are the ones who could truly say, "This land is mine because I came here first. So, therefore, all you whites who came here to kick us out of America, should be the first one to leave. " On the other hand, this country owes China $13 trillion and therefore you can all swallow your arrogance and say hello to your creditors, the Chinese, who'll soon be the legal owners of America!
I live in southern California. I am very tired of listening to spanish everywhere I go. Most food establishments hire nothing but spanish speaking workers. I consider this a workplace safety issue. What happens when someone is injured on the job? How will they communicate with police and paramedics? How will our kids get that first job in fast food? Without knowing spanish, they can't communicate with the other workers.
We speak ENGLISH! It is rude to speak foreign languages in public. Who said it is Ok to speak spanish in the US anyway? Leave your language and customs back in the old country. Adapt or go home!
I remember standing up and staring at the flag and singing the anthem. I remember a couple of kids that complained...I remember they were all minorities. Now that has been taken away,...our pride as a nation. I will never buy Chinese goods if I don't have to...I will become an enemy to all non-americans. I will smile in your face,...I will conqueer you into the end. America is at war.
This country is tail-spining downward in everyway. Hopes and dreams of our forefathers are long gone!
No "reform" is needed. What is needed, is enforcement of our laws.
Simple solution: Invade Mexico(again)! Then all Mexicans will be legal U.S. citizens and we won't have to worry about illegal immigration from Mexico. Then the whole drug war thing would be our problem, but after 10 years of Iraq and Afghanistan I think we can handle it.
well while we are on this immigration thing lets go a step further and get reform on welfare and the ssi also as many illegals are on them in most states and this would save the usa money to get these people off our welfare and ssi programs along with getting them to become legal with the notion that they learn to read and write in english and understand what it really means to be an american and to pay back money for being here illegally( for breaking the us law )
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Douglass Massey, Great article! I had not realized so much progress had been made toward alleviating my concerns and the concerns of many people, I'm sure. As a conservative, I am greatly concerned about the security of our national boarders. President Ronald Reagan had granted amnesty to illegal immigrants; however that didn't work because the boarders had not yet been secured. If our border is currently as secure as you say it is, I agree that we are ready to grant amnesty to resident illegal immigrants without fear of a huge inrush of more illegals.
It is also truly a shame how some have been treated by our Government employees. Once security is guaranteed, we should be a welcoming society. It is a myth legal immigrants suck up the few meager jobs that exist and add a burden on society. If they take a job no one else wants, they are adding value to our economy through their work. We should welcome them with open arms. God bless you for all you do.