By Fareed Zakaria, CNN
It is the perfect summer blockbuster for audiences around the world - action packed and not too taxing on the brain. The new Transformers movie broke the record for July 4th tickets sales in the U.S. and it's been smashing records in many of the 110 countries around the world where it's showing. It's already made almost half a billion dollars worldwide.
But there's one country that it's not playing in - China.
China doesn't want its people to see Transformers 3 - at least not yet.
Can you believe it? Beijing has imposed a moratorium on new foreign films.
For almost a month, no new blockbusters produced outside China have been released in China. Why? Well, instead of Transformers or Harry Potter, Beijing really wants its people to watch something else - something quite different.
The Beginning of the Great Revival released last month, is an extravagantly produced, state-sponsored propaganda movie, which cost $12 million to make, a fortune by Chinese standards. The film claims to have a cast of more than 100 top Chinese actors playing an array of historical figures.
Among them Mao Tse-Tung or Chairman Mao, who's portrayed not just a revolutionary, but also as a romantic. He's played by a young Chinese heartthrob. And while that might lure in female audiences, the real message isn't about love, but politics.
The film is a pean to the Communist Party, released to honor the 90th anniversary of its founding. It describes the party's influence as having led China down a glorious path of ethnic independence, liberation, national wealth and strength. No mention of the Great Leap Forward, the famine, the Cultural Revolution, or, of course, Tiananmen Square.
The Chinese Communist Party has made sure that this movie will be seen by its people. It's released Beginning of the Great Revival in more than 6,000 theaters accompanied with massive publicity.
By some reports the government expects it to make well over $130 million, twice as much as its last propaganda flick, The Founding of the Republic. And it has also gotten major Chinese corporations to rent out theaters and give employees tickets. Watching the film is mandatory for school children and so on.
So what do people think of the movie? Well, the ratings on Chinese websites have mysteriously been disabled, but if IMDB.com is any indicator, the film scored a two out of 10 rating which is pretty darn poor.
China's control over its movie industry actually raises much larger issues. Studio heads in Los Angeles salivate over the thought of China's 1.3 billion citizens turning into a Hollywood film buffs. There is already great interest in going to the movies in China. China is said to be building two new movie theaters everyday. But the Chinese government is not allowing market forces to determine who watches what movies.
You see, even when there's no blackout or moratorium, China allows only a limited number of foreign films in its theaters every year - about 20 - and even those are subject to strict censorship. And when the films are allowed in, foreign film studios are still stiffed. They reportedly get only 20% of Chinese ticket revenues, much less than they get anywhere else in the world. And, of course, there is massive piracy of DVDs, which the Chinese government does little to prevent.
China's attitude towards foreign movies is troubling because it points in two directions.
First, Beijing appears to be adopting a policy that favors local companies over international ones even if it deprives the Chinese consumer of choice, variety and quality. Businessmen from around the world in various industries have been complaining about such practices, many of which are potentially violations of free trade and of China's treaty obligations.
Second, Beijing seems to be turning in a nationalist direction - consciously promoting propaganda, keeping out foreign influences, all to create greater solidarity at home and legitimacy for the Communist Party. These are worrying tendencies which would cause friction between China and the world, and they are reversal of China's outward orientation over the last three decades - an orientation that has powered China's rise to wealth and prosperity.
But there is some good news. I like one strategy China is employing to promote its own movies.
You've probably heard of Kung Fu Panda. Well, the sequel to that film is out around the world, as every parent knows, and is doing especially well in China.
Beijing is hoping to counter Hollywood's success with the release this month of its own animated action flick. Legend of a Rabbit, the film is about a kung fu bunny, who takes on a big mean bad enemy. The enemy is a panda. Now, that's a fair fight, and may the best animal win.
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Indeed, I wonder where exactly the central government is heading! It encourages people to consume western goods, yet it wants to control the people's minds. Maybe we see a renaissance of the Cultural Revolution!
I must say the few seconds of the film "The Beginning of the Great Revival" I saw, contained very atmospheric images. I wouldn't mind seeing it!
"famous chinese heartthrob" = jewish sports legend.
lol @ china
How racist! There are many Chinese "hunks" and there were Jewish famous athletes.
Sandy Kofax,Al Rosen,Rod Carew,Mark Spitz,Al Davis,moron.....
I'd rather watch Jews and Chinese in films that are based on history than totally worthless fictional American films like Transformers. The plot of Transformers is just totally worthless.
Organic robot living in the dark side of the moon is just as crazy as believing that America landed on the moon the first time around in Apollo 11. They probably made it in the succeeding missions after Apollo 13, but they obviously failed in the earlier missions.
That's why watching American films is a complete waste of money. It's like reading the tabloid "News of the World" which was recently shut down due to its evil behavior. CNN, Time and Newsweek are just the same. It's stuffed with the same propaganda.
If anyone hasn't seen Transformers 3 yet and plans to watch it, don't bother. Don't let advertising propaganda and brainwashing fool you. Don't let greedy businessmen get the better of you.
I hope other governments like my own local government bans it too. It's such a stupid film.
A friend told me how as a boy he was basically forced to march in parade celebrating the leader of Romania every year. He also got to see the dictator lynched when the people tired of his marches. You can smell the fear out of the party. Bet they loving the arab spring.
Ed Aquino... get out much? Or do you sit around in your moms basement thinking up new conspiracies? Funny though... you'd rather see a propaganda movie about a bunch of crazy communist leaders from China who responsible for millions of human rights violations. moron.
Ed, thanks for the laugh. Let me guess, you were abducted by aliens and had a large metal probe shoved up your poop shoot?
The biggest surprise for many Chinese audiences after seeing the propaganda movie is that China's society in the years immediately following the demise of Qing dynasty was so much better and healthier than it is right now. The communist propaganda machine just cannot hide the fact, if they want to produce something with any historical truth, which they cannot twist completely, that the current time under the communist regime is one of the worst points in China's long history. What an irony! They shoot their own feet.
Alfredo and Brian prove that stupidity is the norm.
Yes china is at it's lowest point in History. Instead of being slaves to foreign powers, China is actually building its economy and making money. But I don't exect n1ggers and 3rackers to understand this. Go back to collecting your welfare check.
Hell even if China became a democractic nation, you n1ggers and 3rackers will still be complaining, cause that's what n1ggers can 3rackers like to do, complain and collect welfare checks
Mark Spitz, one of america's greatest swimmers, is jewish.
Three points 1.) Originally most of the players in the NBA were Jewish. 2.) I saw Transformers and it kicked Anus. 3.) Ed Aquino is what I like to call "the tool to end all tools."
As a resident here in china, I can say that its not really that big of a deal as the author seems to make it out to be. The only people hurt are the movie companies, as piracy is rampant beyond reason here. Something I attribute more to restriction policies than anything else. I was able to buy a copy of T3 last week for 4RMB(60cents) if i had wanted in a local store, with ease. So its not like were really restricted here with what we can see. Its more like we cant help the western firms make money hand over fist. Which is fine by me.
Is racism the only weapon you have? Chinese people don't have near the underarm odor of non-Asians such as you.
"young chinese heartthrob" = famous jewish sports legend.
edit (sorry my bad
Haha, yeah! Oh wait... Mark Spitz. Doh!
Don't worry – I'm sure your no prize either – loser. China has 1 billion people so the women there must love their men. What's wrong with you?
It's apparent that Fareed thinks that it's not enough to just let American suffer from a bad movie like Transformer 3, we Chinese also have to, but, hey, I don't want to look at your armpit.
Xtheist – I think you are at a wrong place. for your pre high school style smart comments, you should stay away from quality material like GPS. There is a whole bunch of foxnews and msnbc crap out there.. you can have a party
first off their are not enough women in China to sustain a population for long term because chinese parents cant' stand having females. They either resent them the rest of their lives or they simply abort them. You should try living there for a while...
Interesting topic, but has CNN discussed the plethora of foreign films in America.
Oh, and just because one non-American is in a film doesn't make it a foreign film.
What was the last foreign film in theaters across the U.S.?
@somebody: 13 Assassins, a recent Japanese samurai movie
Do some research before making a stupid claim with no evidence.
True That.
you have no idea what you are talking about. Go do some research. Let me introduce you to a good resource: google.com.
They are shown all the time in "art" theaters that specialize in them. We recently saw the German "North Face". Can you not tell the the difference between unprofitable and illegal? You would make a great party member.
Congratulations , red, you found ONE.... Do you know how many only full featured cartoons are made in Japan every year. Needless to say that the quality, style and storyline in these movies exceed what passes for cartoons in the USA manifold. Anyway, as far as Transformers goes. Good for China they didn't miss much anyway
The difference is that the US does not ban foreign films. It has nothing to do with how many become popular here. Seriously, can you not tell the difference? Not many foreign films play because the market in the US isn't geared toward many good foreign films, or good films in general sadly. They don't play often because some suit decides it won't make $ for their theaters, not because we want to promote state propaganda.....
You don't see many foreign films in US theaters because they aren't normally very profitable not because the Govt bans them. Most US movie goers don't have the patience to read subtitles.
The difference, it`s by choice not by the govt telling you what you`ll watch. Foreign films don`t do well here because most people want to see action/horror/fantasy these days not really a foreign speciality.
@Red, 13assassins, I didn't see any commercials for it, and spend hours watching American
television cable and network channels.
Fact is most people, not going to name names, just want to see a certain type of character be portrayed as the hero
constantly and would only pay money to see their own kind as the protagonist and hero while
non-(not going to name names) are usually portrayed as the villain.
But this is America, full of people of a specific race, they have the money,therefore, they have more representation.
The sad fact is that the American audience isn't geared towards most foreign films. If we take European cinema as an example, and more specifically recent German films there are some great examples. Downfall is likely the most realistic portrayal of the last days of the Third Reich, and it's not purely a "war movie." The Lives of Others could easily rival the best American dramas, and has a touch of Ordinary People about it. The White Ribbon is another great film, and The Reader, which did manage to get to a few screens in the US did very well.
However, all of these films are light on "action" and mostly devoid of special effects. I doubt there's a single stuntman in The Lives of Others. In short, they are thinking films that seem to move slower than American audiences prefer, and often allow the actors to actually act! They don't generally make money here, and that's why you don't see them. It's not because they're banned or not any good.
I watch Korean soap operas (with english subtitals) every night on a local cable TV channel and programming from Poland, China and Italy appear on the same channel. Other channels show a lot of Latin American programming. I especially enjoy the Korean soap operas because of the high quality of many of the actors and the great historical content of series such as "The Great King Sejong" or "The Iron Empress". These are not wall-to-wall martial arts stories, although some fight scenes occur when appropriate, but they are mostly about the very real dilemmas and tough life choices that people endured. And there is some content dealing with China's expansionist intent and political and military pressure exerted against Korea through many centuries.
One of the big things to take home here is that although foreign films in the US may not be the most publicized movies around, you are at least still able to find them and watch them -any time you want-, you're not suddenly being blocked out from all movies except what the government made for "History of the people's glorious United States" month and having your kids forced to go watch it and your employer hand you tickets and give you a thinly veiled "go watch this if you like working here/being alive."
Actually folks, the difference in the words only. While the *idea* of banning something and not publicizing something might *sound* different to you the result is the same – lack of easy access. Reference to "choice" and "government" is a pure ideological verbiage – the result is the same. Yes, if you live in NYC you can watch a lot of different movies that are screened here, once, possibly twice. Try to watch the same list in, say, central Alabama. Believe it or not that often ANY foreign movie is screened in China as well. As for what you can potentially watch on cable or satellite, again it reflect, if you wish an "elite" access, such "elite" access available in China as well.
As for banning any movie, they are not banning them, simply postponing. This is actually quite common, I saw many movies being released in Europe months after the release here. Besides, believe it or not (I just returned from China) DVDs with Transformers are widely available already, so, if it is just access and availability that bothers you so much, don't worry everything is available and, actually easily accessible, to a much wider audience then here.
Go on netflix they have foreign movies all the time. Plus it takes money to show a foreign film if the theater cant make money they wont show the movie. The biggest Foreign Film i can remember in theaters was Funny Games. Technically it was a remake, but done by the same director. The movie is almost 100% the same as the original except its in English and the mom is hotter. Plus with the amount of Movies being made in the U.S. who has time for foriegn movies?
The last foreign film in box offices across America which many Americans saw and loved was not an action/adventure movie. This year it won: Best Picture, Best Actor, Best Director, Best Screenplay at the Academy Awards and Best Actor at the Golden Globes and Best Actor and Ensemble Cast at the Screen Actors Guild Awards. THE KINGS SPEECH... See some movies before you make inane comments...
Good point – I don't see Chinese films breaking attendance records here. In fact – I never saw one! And I'd have to travel two hours to see a French or Italian film and they only get shown once or twice a year. So this is a non-issue to me. Hollywood accounting is the lamest thing going – - who cares if these entertainment idiots get more screens in a different country – greedy bastards (I don't mean the artists – I'm talking execs)
@imastarchick Funny you should mention "Kings Speech". Indeed, it is a foreign movie (British) that was released in the USA for a wide viewing 8 month after its premier following rather intense battle with local prudes who wanted to slap an R rating because the use of profanity. Yeah.. transformers with a half of a city destroyed is PG13, Kings Speech is R; makes perfect sense, really. Needles to say that by that time Kings Speech was released in about every other country
hey DA do some research before you post
The last foreign film in the US?... Why don't you search it on google.com. If you don't know what google.com is, then google it!
The reason most foreign films are not shown in the States is becuase of quality. Hollywood is like the empire of movies and entertainment. You make it to Hollywood your gold in the entertainment industry. Musicians, actors, actresses, and comidians strive to go to Hollywood and that is a top goal to be a Global performer. Hollywood stars are not from just the states they are from all over the world. People usually start small where they are from and then perform in their country and thats when they take the leap to Hollywood (it is sink or swim there). If you take Hollywood you got the world. Ask any entertainer if you can get a label there your gold. You be less famous in your country and become famous in the US and out of nowhere you become number one person in your country even if you starred in a series. Just remember haters are going to hate.
Transformers 3 should have been outlawed in the United States as well. It causes brain damage.
could not have put it better myself!
Whichever way, as a Chinese, I am glad Transformer 3 is not shown in China. I wish it could be banned everywhere in the world. Typical junk products from Hollywood.
@John... you're nothing but a Chinese government paid lackey. The average Chinese citizen doesn't have access to CNN.com If you think you're fooling anyone here, you're sorely mistaken.
Oh and at least in the USA people have a CHOICE of what to watch. the government doesn't have to mandate films to watch.
Dear Patrick, You overestimate the power of Chinese government. I live in CA. The propaganda scheme of this country is so successful that many are convinced that every Chinese against American culture is paid by Chinese government. I am happy they are not using the foreign currency reserve, which is the blood money accumulated through poor Chinese people's hard work, in this unwise way. This world is far more complex than you could understand. Tell you the truth, whereas I disagree so many policies of Chinese government, it is clear to me China as well as other countries has not done enough to resist the influence of MacDonald, KFC, coca-cola, and Hollywood culture.
Whats wrong with transformers? Hell i grew up with the toys. Its a perfect pop-corn movie. Giant robots transforming semmlesy and just trying to all out kill each other. let me guess you think every person should have to go threw and watch citizen kane. I dont care what that movie did for the industry it sucked backed then and still sucks,
Individually, nothing wrong with making a bad movie and trying hard to make people watch it and make money out of it. It is just unfair that businesses can use large quantity of money to buy media and advertise day and night and sell anything they want to. Who says that MONEY should have this much of power when GOVERNMENTS should not? I don't believe it is right either. I don't want to live in a society that is completely controlled by a government, neither do I want my society to be controlled by money.
@john so you want anarchy then. i want a society not controlled by money. Ok how are you going to get people work and provide the services people need to survive.
@john so you want anarchy then. i want a society not controlled by money. Ok how are you going to get people work and provide the services people need to survive. Government is in the world b/c people need some form of order. Depending on how much order is the diff forms of gov.
I have not seen that money without regulation is bringing good to the society based on what happened in the Wall Street, which we are still suffering. If I could answer your question on what and how to do with the chaos that deregulated money and dysfunctional governments have done to the world, I deserve both Nobel peace and economy prizes, and probably should be remembered as the savior of the human race.
@john if you dont have answer then stop bitching. The system may not be perfect but its a million times better than anything than most of the governments ~200 years
If it's having trouble then stop bullsh*ting about how good it is like it's perfect. Make it perfect first before defending it blindly.
What China and any other country should do is to legalize the ban on products that directly or indirectly promote violence. Specialist committee including social scientists, psychologists, doctors and biologists should decide which are. It has nothing to do with freedom of information because consuming products promoting violence is potentially harmful to individuals and the society, and is partially responsible for many crimes and physical and mental disorders. Aren't there enough studies out there already?
/@John, MONEY should have control.. think it through ... in a society that promotes equal access to resources, we all have the same potential access to power. In most societies where GOVERNMENTS have ultimate power, control is concentrated on a few who ascend to power and have access to weapons. Then they do things like force its citizens to watch bad movies. $$$ combined with free access is a great equalizer, in a darwinian sense it weeds out the bad and promotes hard work.
I agree with you that capitalism has made a better world for a large part of the world in the history, but it also caused the most destructive wars and disasters in human history. World War II is not that far yet. We are seeing how a few on the Wall Street can ruin the life of millions. With the world's fortune in a few's hands now, how can one ignore the destructive force of a system under this stage? As a biologist, I cannot disagree more with you in general to imply Darwin's law as rightful and effective in dealing with social issues.
@imastarchick Yes, please think it through. I don't care what society "promise" and what you can do "potentially". With quantum mechanics probability I can potentially convert water to wine. In the USA, potentially you have access to political power, funny though that this "potential" of your is considerably lower than, yes, in China. You can declare all you want but unless you can demonstrate that these declarations can be actually realized at least semi-consistently they remain just that – an ideological drivel. The fact on the ground are unfortunately against your "potential". The USA, for example has very low social mobility among all developed countries and the lowest income mobility, and it is lower then in China. That suggest that at least at the moment on average you have more social and economic opportunities in China then here. Sad, but true.
Actually, I'm the paid Chinese shill.
50 cents per post!
@ John
You would have made a fantastic NAZI.
@John. I agree with you man
Money has too much power and control over everything. A new balance should forged.
*should BE forged*
:rolleyes:
It takes a truly weak society to have to ignore a culture to avoid being changed by it.
I think it shows strength to ignore American media. Why must anyone else watch what we watch. What if they think it is not best? Personally, movies, tv shows, and music in america are more responsible for the huge amount of narrow minded American youth than anything else. Perhaps the Chinese saw this and decided to change it.
Pasha Utt, because the "they" who think it's not best are government hacks, and the citizens are their slaves. I hope you are not a citizen of a free country, because you don't deserve to be.
Ah but it's not the people deciding, it's the government deciding what they can watch!
China has many paid apologists (defenders) on CNN and other online media. They make comments like Pasha's and try to pass themselves off as free thinking westerners who like China.
The next should be to ban MacDonald, coca-cola, and KFC. I can't be happier if China or any other country can do that. I will praise any country that has the strength to do it.
The idea behind Transformer 3, like other Hollywood made, is the worship of power and violence. That is the belief the US is holding and educating its citizens. Translated in the real world, it means that you don't listen to my advice, I will bomb you. Like Lion King, behind it, America is the lion, the king of the jungle. Other countries' fate is to be submissive. Even Kung Fu Panda, there is always a struggle between good and evil. Hollywood cliche, black and white image about the world. It's surreal Hollywood can make billions of dollars each year out of these junk. It's wrong that a government censors its citizens from free information, but I don't want big corps to run a country either.
@john Isnt the whole world just a giant battle of good vs evil? Plus do the research the lion king is based off of Shakespeare hamlet and the African white lion.
So it's your view that the world is divided as good eggs and bad eggs, not individuals simultaneously with good and bad natures?
Dear Pasha why must anyone watch what their government tells them to watch? Why cant we all choose by using our own pocket books? I think the Chinese government is responsible for creating the largest population of narrow minded youth on the planet something like a billion of them... via the cultural revolution... remember that?
@ John. I don't care about fast food... fine... ban it. But if you eat my cat I will cut your b...
Well said. China is disgusting lol, I feel so bad for the many people who don't like their government but have to live under it. I'm glad to live in a country where I can go see any movie that gets distributed.
Just like the way the social conservatives want to ban all gay-themed media.
I'm from the USA but have lived in China for 5 years now and it has really changed- for the worse. The level of repression is at post-Tianenman square massacre levels and much of this can be attributed to things like the 'Red Revival' in China (term the communist party uses). As as example, employees of China's SEO's or state owned companies are strongly requested/required to watch this film (The Beginning of the Great Revival ). My colleagues, many of whom have spouses and or parents working for SOE's told me that their spouses/folks have been told that as a group they must watch the movie and they were told they should bring their families as well.
Before the movies, the employees sing old nationalist songs and then hear an oratory about the good things the communist party in China has done.
Since the Olympics have ended, China has cracked down on dissent, many say this is due to the fact that next year Xi Jinping will be put in the office as leader of the party and the people are worried about power struggles. Whatever the cause, according to experts, as the communist party feels threatened it is making a bid to silence all disbelievers or potential rabble rousers. The result is the phenomenon of eulogizing the party.
name says it all?
FAKE!!!! If your in China.. Its most likley in the Beijing. And if your in China your not posting comments on the US based CNN site considering they can and would track your ANTI – china comments... not saying i like china but go spew your message in a street... Stop shouting on the internet.... you'll never be heard
TimfromFL the Irony in your post is hilarious. I hope it was on purpose
If you think its so bad why don't you just leave and stop earning money there?
@ TimfromFL He's probably on a VPN you idiot
It's not irony, it's just stupidity. He doesn't know the difference between "your" and "you're" and ends up sounding like a 5th grader.
What this guy is saying I wont say its totally false, but he doesn't have the full story, much of the singing are from quinquagenarian or sexagenarians who in their childhood lived through the cultural revolution, they basically where the songs that they grew up with, nobody is forcing them to sing those songs, you don't see people in their twenties singing these songs. Yes the PRC is throwing this movie on the 90th anniversary of the party and delaying by 2 weeks the next summer blockbuster, but here as in any other country , you basically get all the summer blockbuster movies, I think I haven't missed one yet, Thor,Pirates,KungFu Panda 2, Rio, next week Transformers and even the stupid smurfs movie is coming out here.
Tim, you should try doing some research before shooting your mouth off about something you know nothing about. What's fake about his comments?
And many foreigners don't live in Beijing (Many do of course), so just because you're in China doesn't mean you're in the capital.
Secondly there are such things as VPNs and proxies if you want to hide your IP address. Most of us here use these just to get on to all the blocked sites.
Thirdly so what if they do monitor the IPs? As long as you aren't slagging them off they don't really mind, even if they notice.
Yes, I'm also living in China (And yes, in Beijing, though this is about the sixth city I've lived in).
http://www.ChinarensBlog.com – If you want to know what it's really like living here.
" TimfromFL
FAKE!!!! If your in China.. Its most likley in the Beijing. And if your in China your not posting comments on the US based CNN site considering they can and would track your ANTI – china comments..."
please rate my grammer on a cellphone it makes me giggle.... i like to paint but dont want to sell art so i paint on walls outside.... the world is now my canvas. I had a problem and found a way to make it better...
As far as the posters who this this "American in China" can't actually be in China and is a fake. What an ignorant opinion, consider they may work for the US embassy or be married to a Chinese national and could easily post from the USA or anywhere else while on vacation. Now, as far as this film, remember China is the biggest counterfeiter of films and other goods, wanna bet this film is on the streets for sale for $1 for whoever wants to see it? Now I've been to China, but it was only a brief vacation so I tend to believe what the poster said about what changes they've noticed in China. Oh, and while I'm at it, our trade deficit? Stop buying cheap Chinese goods, though they are cheap to buy, they are cheaply made and hurt the USA. Demand quality made goods that will last more than a few months or a year before breaking... preferably made in the USA. Our US manufacturers have sold out America ideals and the American working public. And if China doesn't unequivocally open its borders to trade, slap tariffs on Chinese goods, when they slap tariffs on the few American goods going over there, guess who comes out ahead? Take some of the tariff money and reimburse the few American exporters who lost some money on exports due to the tariff war, and put the rest towards our national debt (fueled in part by the current China trade deficit!!!).
get out of China, and bring your dirty half breeds with you. We don't need you , we don't want to know you.
You have nothing to teach us – you are bankrupt people.
What's the difference between the Chinese singing these songs before watching a film and US children pledging the oath of allegiance before class?
Perhaps they don't want their children watching bad movies that rot the mind. I'd rather learn about historical figures myself.
It is great to learn about historical figures, but we need to be historically accurate. Mao was a mass-murderer on par with Hitler and Stalin. He also was a pedophile and enjoyed sleeping with girls younger than 12, the younger the better.
Errr...I wouldn't confuse government sponsored propaganda with education and history. Yes much American entertainment is garbage, but at least it's our choice to watch that garbage, or in my case, to not watch it. Be careful what you wish for. The days of western cultures being "reeducated" may not be as far off as you think.
I don't like Mao either but no one talks about what a wack the dali lama is....
People who live in Glass Cities should not shoot missles.
@Andrew, please grow up and stop believing ridiculous stories about Mao. He is not perfect like every human being, and he made big mistakes, but what he and his soldiers changed the fate of China and lifted my country from being repeatedly invaded by Europeans, American and Japanese. Think about the fact that a few terrorists have changed the mindset of Americans so much, I wish you could understand the pain and sufferings my grandparents' and parents' generations have endured. I can't stop appreciating the positive sides of the Chinese revolution 70 years ago.
Any evidence of this mind rot caused by movies you don't like? Or are you perhaps just making s*it up?
Talk about double standards ! Makes me think of North Korea. Dear Leader likes Porn, Scotch Whisky and sports a poof hair cut, while the masses die of starvation and hunger for freedom, what ones who are not in military, government or corrupt.
I wonder who in China sees all of the banned films that are not shown to the people in general, but are served to the viewer with popcorn and hot dogs. Talk about controlling the population from age 2. How sad !
Ed Aquino:
I was almost agreeing with you until you started up with the "Apollo 11 was a hoax" bit. I know that conspiracy theory was all the rage 10 years ago but by now you should have sorted that out, moved on to "9/11 was an inside job" or something else. The moon hoax bit has been pretty thoroughly debunked for a long time now.
顺便说一句，刚才写了几句美国的军费世界第一，到处打仗的话，已经被迅速删除啦。哈哈。。。效率不比中国政府差呀。我讨厌中国政府，也讨厌C*N*N
you are one big dumbass, period...
Same here.
John
顺便说一句，刚才写了几句美国的军费世界第一，到处打仗的话，已经被迅速删除啦。哈哈。。。效率不比中国政府差呀。我讨厌中国政府，也讨厌C*N*N
They did the samething too me.
"yet it wants to control the people's minds."
S'cuse me but doesn't our gov't do the same??
Wow – Full control over social media and entertainment. The people of China are living in a little bubble, and we all know what happens to bubbles like these – they burst.
they dont need those above-mentioned movies because they could have it without spending much money.. who got a lot of money pirating movies in southeast asia and other parts of the world??...who else but the red chinese businessmen using locals of other country as dummies.. they dont want to let their people see movies at theaters because its costly and they could see it at home with their pirated dvd players for cheaper cost and perhaps for free....
Let them develop a taste for Western movies and tv shows, and they'll turn into us in twenty years, just like every other country. The Arabs are trying desperately to keep us out of their children's heads, and failing every day.
Mao started out as a hero who tore his country away from a dictator so he could give it to the people of China, and then he decided to turn the people of China into the people he felt they should become. He did this by controlling their schools and changing their culture, and he meant well but ended up being an evil dictator. It would be hard to express this in a movie that was totally pro-Mao . . .
they just delayed not censored. why is it CNN and americans must exaggerate the truth.
not to mention any country have a right to have its own system of distribution....imagine if there was a movie from china that is playing in the states but it was delayed for whatever reason,...and than the chinese media and people was up in arms calling it censorship and basically tried to dictate how your system should be run in order to appease china. What would u think then? ALso china dont have movies about "mistakes" in the past such as tianmen sq etc...just as america dont have movies on waterboarding and killing civilians in iraq etc...no movies of sympathy to uigurs just as aericans dont have any movies of sympathy to the 911 hjackers...some of these censorships are understandable...some are just the evils of "goverment". All governments have the same flaws when they exert control. CHina is neither better or even worse than many govs.
LONG LIVE THE MOTHERLAND. Love, Chink
All of you missed the point!! China doesn't really block most things because of the awful outside influences or to spread propaganda so much as to spur economic growth on Chinese products. As an expat and current resident in Shanghai, I can tell you that controlling the people isn't really what the government needs to worry about at all. People here are very tame – they pretty blindly accept things the government feeds them with little complaint. They don't understand how bad our internet connections are here because they've never had better access. They truly believe that China does not have the dirtiest most polluted cities in the world. They don't know what lead poisoning is. They know the Party messes with their news and they aren't upset about it.
The reason China blocks things like imdb.com , google, youtube, facebook, and so on is primarily because of the amount of money China makes with their Chinese duplicates of these products – baidu, youku, renren, etc. China is a huge market in and of itself and for now China is only focusing on cornering their own market. I see it all the time. They don't bother themselves with global domination just yet – only on domination every inch of the Chinese market.
As for the movie market – if America found a way to sue China over copyright issues and forced them to pay full price THAT could spur an uprising! Movies – all movies, I haven't found any legit copies – cost $1.50. I have a copy of Harry Potter 7 – 1 already and the Hangover 2 is coming into our stores shortly. Chinese people love foreign movies – they are just strategically released into only our cheapy markets to keep the US from banking on them.
That's enough ranting for today
China's agenda behind all this is certainly not democratic. Yet, were the objectives to protect it's young and put a damper on materialistic ideals of triviality and banal illusions Hollywood is mostly dishing out, China's moves might even be agreeable.
This is news???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
Author, you're rating movies now................? You know that China only let a limited amount of foreign films in a year right?
Tranformers 3 may not make it but the last Harry Potter movie will. There's reason behind it, the market's huge people want to get in, and why shouldn't some hollywood "films" be banned....they're going down hill, unlike the old hollywood films with plot and all that.
Your response.....to movies being allowed sounds like another "China Bannes Time Travel Movies".....in the business section, which didn't even happen in China, granted making the state funded movie was a bad move, but the censorship in some cases is so that c.r.a.p isn't showned to the people.....like some north American shows, ex Jersey Shore, The Real House Wives of......, etc.
How can not being able to watch a movie "These are worrying tendencies which would cause friction between China and the world", it's a movie.....which could be found online sooner or later.
You are EXTREMELY DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well said mate, CNN SUCK JEW MEDIA
Well, if there's one thing I will criticize CNN for, it's allowing idiot bigots like you to troll on their own comment board.
CNN SUCK JEW MEDIA
GET BACK IN YOUR CAVE
@well,
-you are NOT well, you are SICK.
commie pig
Such stupidity, in my comment I wasn't even glorifying that party, yet you call me this. No wonder the US is like it's movie industry....going down, down, and gone.
Propoganda. Watch what we tell you. Do what we tell you. Think what we tell you. Dumb, de dumb dumb dumb!
Jew media. Typical new world order b1tch
how your ancestors succeeded in standing upright is a mystery to me. crawl away and play with some dangerous explosives please. do the world a favor and take yourself out of the gene pool...
The hell do you think Chinese propaganda films are? the Old World Order? So much for that.
Tim, I swear you are going to get our internet turned off. We can all see who you are because you haven't suppressed your address. You are going to have cops coming to the house again.
I believe he was referring to it being troubling because they are essentially effing with the free market. You know it is always about the money. It troubles us so.
That is the funny part, isn't it?
Human rights concerns? Totalitarian dictatorship? Nah. Fareed hates'em because they won't permit a free market in movies. To him, We the People exist as consumers, not as citizens.
You missed a few exclamation marks...and question marks. ????!?!?!?!!!!!???!?!?!?!!!! There, fixed it for you.
Wow, do you have no idea what you're talking about.
Your argument is so incoherent that I don't even know where to start refuting it. China's inward turn is concerning for many reasons. He was using movies because they're relevant. But if China starts only exporting, and limiting imports, it opens up huge trade gaps. Even wider then they are now. That's bad.
But since you weren't even able to see past the movie example, I don't expect you to understand that. Nerd rage away.
There's only one solutions...
What could it be? Will it be fun?
Does it weigh more than a metric ton?
Could you eat it with your hands?
or use it to make dinner plans?
Will you wear it on your face?
could it transport you, to space?
That is the problem with America, people just like you, don't respect the opinion of other. Yes he may miss some point, yes maybe he not as smart as you do, but that don't give you the right to call someone names. I let you in why I think movie is different from goods, because movies have message in it and some of it is not fit for everyone, for most of Hollywood movies was not represent a global multicultural theme, but just USA(no American) idea. If Hollywood start making movies that is more suitable for multicultural global community, there will be less problem to get it some theater in other country.
I agree it is pretty bad for the Americans. Not to worry, China will buy more treasury bonds to prop up the dollar and Americans can keep printing more money. In the meantime, the two political groups, the donkey and the elephant can debate endlessly on how they can reform the economy and reduce the unemployment rate of more than 9%. Maybe the elephant can convince Donald Trump to run for US Presidency with 'I Can See Russia from My Backyard' Palin as VP. What a combination to save the US economy !
I'd worry more about US debts, jobs, and medicare, instead of China banning a trashy movie.
I suppose you also believe the Boston Tea Party was just about tea... Please read a book.
Yes, they turned the harbor into a giant tea pot, they thought that they're going to turn it to tea ANYWAY, might as well dip the whole box in and dip their cups into the bay...stupid American.
Completely agree! (Acutally just FYI, Transformers IS showing in China, perhaps a couple weeks behind the US release date, but it has not been banned. Just screening a bit later, which happens any time, anywhere depending on the line up of films during that period!)
Anything over five exclamation points is a sure sign of an insane mind.
I believe The Transformers will be in theater anyway. They just want to avoid "schedule conflicts." I think Fareed worries too much about the Chinese people being influenced by the propaganda. Actually people have ways (such as through P2P) to see these hollywood films. P2P is an open secret. Lots of my American classmates are using it.
And if Fareed understand the Chinese language, I suggest he go online and read the Chinese people's comments on everything. He'll find his judgements are not always true.
The problem with some "western sinologists" is that they are prone to generalization.
I can tell he has a hard time trying to figure out what the Chinese are thinking.
then please explain to us what the chinese are thinking
Obviously, not what Fareed is thinking.... duh...
That's why I said you go check it out online.
The problem with you guys is you don't speak foreign language and tends to judge people by listening to what some "sinologists" said.
JULY 21st
dear fareed, some things will not change very soon. The chinese are wise people. They have proved to the world that their system is not too bad- in fact it might be better than most countries.They know there are some things which are not perfect. Like the censorship laws, and the single party monopoly.
But if you think of it. they have bought over 1.2 trillion dollars worth of american bonds from their hard-earned export earnings. This has been due to the strict rules in the country, their disciplined , school-principal way of controlling their country. They are happy with it. Even the chinese president just said in the UK, that china might soon have a better democracy with more parties, but they do not want the west to lecture them on this subject. China is a matured country. they know what is best for them, so let us give them the freedom and leeway to operate as they wish best. Let us hope china will have excellent relations with the usa, uk, japan, india, pakistan etc always. Amen. my request pls keep your board clean by appointing moderators to clean up the trash that is spouted by your indian and pakistani antagonists. Otherwise you will lose the serious readers because no one wishes to be part of a garbage train. There is a particularly sick person from swat valley who keeps on talking of urine etc. Pls keep the platform clean and healthy, by flagging objectionable material.
Pee is yummy.
Yeah they are so wise that they poison the milk their children drink for money. Very wise.
Maybe CNN should start the cleanup by cleaning up the trash that is spouted by the chinese antagonists, e.g. you. Otherwise, CNN will lose its serious readers as no one wants to be part of a Communist China community that plays by unfair rules. See how making generalizations about an entire country or subcontinent is silly? Please don't make generalizations about the Indian subcontinent; maybe then, people will return the favor and not make generalizations about you or China. Your characterizations are flawed.
It's pretty easy to have a competitive economy when you have masses of unrepresented, repressed, uneducated people that have no choice but to work for pennies for the advantage of a few elite (Although it seems the US is also headed in that direction....thanks to the Tea Party). I would say that the single party system is more than a "little problem". Let's look at some other historical single-party contries, say like the USSR and Nazi Germany. Didn't work out too well for the "little man" did it? How's it working out for the masses in China? I would say also not too well if you want a life other than one filled with unrewarded toil.
"It's pretty easy to have a competitive economy when you have masses of unrepresented, repressed, uneducated people that have no choice but to work for pennies for the advantage of a few elite" -- yes, poverty is still a huge issue in most of China but development and spread of wealth takes time. In a short 30 years, the country has developed the personal wealth and level of consumerism that most countries have been working toward for a period far longer than that. Disparity is no doubt an issue, but there is at least opportunity now, there is a chance for them to move upwards and to make money. Their minimum wage may seem meager compared to what you have in your country, but it's proportionate to where the country's economic development is now and it's actually getting higher. Look South to Vietnam and you'll find labor costs far lower than even China.
'There is a particularly sick person from swat valley who keeps on talking of urine etc' That's Tim. Mormons and pee pee. He's got a mental handicap.
Wow, Fareed. It looks as if you've really lost it. I start to find your rhetoric – hate to say – but quite desperate, even pathetic nowadays. I've respected you so much during these last years. But this starts to be disappointing now. The rhetoric and discourse about China's actions and the attempt to describe China as something, which the U.S. is somehow not, is just simply deceptive and misleading. A find this as a part of a creation of the "new narrative" about the U.S.-China relations, which Joseph Nye has been yearning and counseled after during these past few months.
Careful observation has brought up that your stance about the rise of China has evolved remarkably during the last 1.5 years. You've started to lose your faith in bringing China into the core of the liberal world order. Do you think China wouldn't have the right to decide independently about its movies? If in Sweden I have to watch your Hollywood films, that's okay, as we're such a small nation and need to find greater partners. But China with its 1.3 billion people and support from all the non-Western continents (you've seen the PEW results I'd think) would somehow need to be obliged to spread by force such pieces of culturally highly vibrating and inspiring films as Transformers 3 and Harry Potter into their own markets...? You gotta give me a break! I would actually rather go to see that "Beginning of the Great Revival" or even "The Founding of the Republic" than I'd go to see Mel Gibson's Patriot, or Ted Turner's Gettysburg and God's and Generals.
And by the way:
Choice and variety may not mean quality in this case! Or if it in your opinion does, I need to say you gotta have a really bad taste. I don't know if Transformers 3 and Harry Potter are that inspiring... The leaning to this old positivist tradition and the discourse of "free" trade is absolutely amazing. To me this is a continuation of the neoliberal Washington Consensus attitude...
(And j. von Hettlingen, hejsan to you too, you gotta be from Sweden or Norway too? They just announced that major powers are using cooperative people and pseudonyms to fill out the discussion platforms to be able to divert the discussion in a more favourable direction. That was interesting information. This was mainly about China and the U.S.)
I though think that the fundamental mistake we are making here, is not acknowledging how strikingly similar the U.S. and China and their superpower behaviour are. The main differences are civilizational, but the modern superpower practices on a level where the ideological and cultural aspects are somewhat stripped off, are more similar than you'd think. For the first time you've met a nation that does not play by the rules of the American Colossus – and cannot be pressured by hard power means – neither military nor economic – into the "right" direction. This is the new reality – and Fareed seems to be thunderstruck. Or he at least plays he is.
But would you Fareed hand on your heart be ready to say that China's international behaviour should be more condemned than the one of the U.S.A?
I think that is a crucial question that should be pondered. You are correct, that it would be better and more historical if the Chinese included Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution or Tiananmen in their films, which would from the Western point of view diminish their soft power globally and lose their legitimacy internally. But I haven't seen much of the American mainstream films, which would deal with the ICJ case on Nicaragua vs. the United States in the 1980s, the American role in the destruction of Cambodia and Laos, the structural violence that have directly and indirectly caused the death of tens of millions in the third world and so on... I have neither rarely seen the allowance of a serious critique of Western-style 'democracy' and free market system. Even though it's quite perfect, it causes and has caused some serious deadly damages during the decades. But I see only certain kind of thrillers, dramas, comedies, cartoons and patriotic films, which won't bring up much of these issues.
But I guess we're then so naive that a letter with a message that "China is actually wrong and should not be admired like the United States and the 'free markets' (whatever they are)" is possible to put in to the wide media circulation – and it will reach platform too. Well, so be it then. But as a European every day as I read your posts, Fareed, I'm more and more starting to turn towards the East. Your posts give me a very worrisome signal. I didn't know that the situation is so bad! This post among many does not show me strength, but rather weakness. It looks as if you have started to balance on a very thin ice and have started to lose confidence in that everything will keep in up and in order. China didn't then become part of your game and shows to be too strong to be forced into it – and has started to create a new game with new rules. But I've still kept my faith in the coastal line on the other side of the Atlantic. But right now as I read your posts I've started to lose the faith. I'm surprised that it has come to this. I don't know if China is that better an option, but for now if your reflections are like this, I'd think it has started to get the upper hand. It's like the Oxford debate, I've sticked with this side, but by carefully reading your commentaries lately, I've started to take steps into the other direction. And that's just sad. Fareed, please give me at least some reasons to stay on this side and not walk into the other camp. I believe I'm definitely not the only one. And that's just sad.
Anyway, all the best for you in the continuation and good energies for the future,
I anyway still respect the hard work you do everyday, I'm just afraid that it does not take the people to the right direction now,
thanks,
yours sincerely,
Johannes Ek
Great comment.
By the way, Transformers 3 is pure garbage!
Keep well.
Jez, you're boring. Go back to Ikea.
I think I'll wait for the movie version of our post.
When do you plan on posting your 'second' novel? They should have a limit on how many characters are allowed for each posting.
hear Hear. I also think Fareed needs to re-evaluate this–the Chicoms have it right. Who wants American crap films like Transformers ruining their kids minds? It's a junk movie, like lots more Hollywood junk that does nothng to edify, and best consigned to htre trash can.
We should get some Chicoms running the Hollywood studios–it might lead to an imrovement in product at the development stage,
and less crap being made.
I look forward to some movies for your ideas one day, probably won't be from Hollywood.
I love your comments.
Americans produce a lot of propaganda but are accusing others of producing propaganda.
Actually if you have studied modern Chinese history and check out some part of the film on youtube, at least the part about the founding of Republic of China and destroying the Qing Dynasty is quite amazing.
I don't know why Fareed made suck a fuzz about mandatory watching. People are asked to watch and they will just watch it; if they don't like it they can take a nap during the film. They will judge it for themselves.
Fareed is trying hard spreading sinophobic sentiment in the U.S. and around the Globe.
Unfortunately it is not going to work as he wishes.
Americans have created a lot of enemies around the world by imposing their ideology and waging a lot of wars on ethnic minority.
Fareed might want to read more on professor Nye's articles:
"the US and China should avoid developing exaggerated fears of each other’s capacities and intentions. The expectation of conflict can itself become a cause of conflict."
Sinophobic? I thought the article was pretty fair; China wants everyone to see their Mao film instead of exploding robots, so they are holding it back, not banning it.
Movies like transformers which no significant content should be banned all around the world. Hollywood should start making movies which make people think and show reality.
If anything is to be banned we should start with stupid posts like yours. You obviously don't value freedom or are just to lame to give it any thought.
great. let's force everyone to watch the Potemkin once a month
Are you kidding me, I have no desire to see this movie, I rather stick to a classic. However who are are we to dictate what is a movie of worth making.
It's just your opinion buddy. I like all kinds of movies. Transformers 3 was pretty darn awesome in 3D, amazing action, amazing graphics. My palms were clenched the whole movie, awsome experience! But FYI, I like comedies, thrillers, action, etc movies as well....even some classics. So suck on it buddy, your opinion means nothing....neither does mine, lol.
I saw the first one and couldn't tell the good guys from the bad guys. I was really bored, and the camera POV shook worse than Blair Witch Project. Didn't make me want to see two more, that's for sure. The Mao movie might actually be better.
i dont like hollywood films much either, but its a huge job creating industry. Should we ban Chryslers or Fords because most of their cars are turds? turd or not, it creates jobs, and thats what matters
In one way, who can say Transformer 3 is not a propaganda of ideas of killing, blood and violence? With a generation of American growing up in these types of movies, TV shows, music and 'arts', who can say that one day some of them addicted to violence will not control the US government and the army of this country? Isn't true that this country spent the most on military strength, something like equal to almost all the other countries combined each year, and fighting the most wars in the modern world?
uh.. it's being release on Jul 21.. so when foreign film released in china first, you'll say china has piracy problem so film maker released in china first. if it released later, you say it's government propaganda .. if it released in-line with other countries, you'll say all those bootleg coming from china.. so either way, you'll find some reason to bash china
America and the rest of the world censor movies just the same... People just pretend like they don't...
America censors movies? ... you are an idiot
Yup, he just might be.
I don't think he means censor as mush as skew the story to your national bias.
...which certainly all countries do.
Is "John Pilger – The War You Don't See" banned in US ?
In America, Washington does not make movies, Hollywood does. They are commercial ventures. Some movies have truthful story lines, others do not. Some are worthy of our time, others are not. The only regulatory involvement in the process is the assigning of rating categories to protect children. Free market and commercial interests drive dictate the successfulness of the venture, not politics. This is completely different to the censorship involving countries like China, and particularily In the case of the Beijing backed movie in question.
Disclosure: I have not viewed either Transformers or Beginning of the Great Revival, nor do I plan to view either movie in the next 72 hours.
they sure do... watch the doc "this film as not yet been rated" also refer to the FCC they censor everything christians don't like... oh and the fact that we can't have a dipiction of muhammad in American televison? Muslims love to tell us to get out and leave enough alone and yet have no problem telling us what we can and cannot draw and show on T.V. We should be in the streets over censorship of such
Yes, they censor movies, but that censorship is indirect. Movies are not banned directly, they are just not advertised in the mainstream so no one knows that alternatives exist. It is probably even more effective, because if some movie was banned and the press would write about it, it would have just the opposite effect. And the censorship is not political, but more driven by movie corporations which don't want to lose profit to foreign companies. Japan for example produces a lot of great movies, but it is very hard to see any of them in the US movie theaters.
How many foreign (Chinese) films are playing in your average American theater that plays Hollywood blockbuster movies? I rest my case...
Stupid reasoning kratiz. This is about free speech and market forces. It is about giving people what they want and not forcing or manipulating them to watch propaganda. There are plenty of china themed movies that have done well in the US. If china ever able to come up with something original that was of interest to western viewers, the doors would be wide open and assuredly they would get more than a 20% take on sales revenue.
why Chinese movies should let western viewers feel interest ? Chinese do everything in their own way, they have their own culture, their own products. no matter you like it or not, they're making their own way to be a powerful and peaceful country.
@FREEMAN: China is a peaceful country!?! Ask all the countries close to China, you will get the true answer: Chinese government is too aggressive and greedy that it wants all land and sea nearby.
Oh, yes, american theaters play all sorts of movies, and even it was being played, Americans (a certain type of Americans) don't want to spend their money on foreign films, and would rather watch some movie centered around
American military conflicts.
Fact is many Americans are just ignorant about different cultures, and don't want to learn from anybody else in the world.
Do you see Bollywood movies playing at your closest AMC theater.
No, the demand isn't there, because millions of -- people only want to see --- people as the heroes.
Some people want to believe want they want to believe.
How many Chinese movies has the U.S banned or censored? 'I rest my case'.
well said. it is not that we care whether they show transformers or not. it is just the whole thing (among many others) explains why most people would rather live here than there
Your answer: ZERO, you idiot. The USA cannot, and has not, censored any films.
@FREEMAN: "be a powerful and peaceful country"
Why does a peaceful country need aircraft carriers? No one in their right mind would claim US is a peaceful country, but given China's recent action in the south China sea, anyone who thinks China is a peaceful country is buying into the Chinese propaganda.
China need more aircraft carriers. There are certain warlike country who has a habit of naming their aircraft carriers after their ex- Presidents and also have a nasty habit of invading and bombing other countries especially the brown countries in the name of democraZy and freedom.
People who live in Glass Cities should'nt shoot missles.
"FREEMAN" – which is likely a misnomer, pass the Koolaid and we might see your view. China is free and welcome to make any movies they want, but if you expect to show it in America it will have have audience appeal. If Beginning of the Great Revival, based in fact or fiction, was of interest to mass market America it would released in theaters, widely promoted and everyone would make lots of money. Of course that is not going to happen because the interest is not there, it is not what people want the general population WANTS to see – and in America, and in many other countries, that matters.
Maybe because the government realizes their people can just watch the bootlegged version for 1 ren per movie...
well ... at least the Chinese are smart enough to protect their own country .... maybe the US should take the same approach with shoes for example ... so what if we have to pay 3 times as much
to "protect their country"??? freedom of choice for consumers only strengthens your country. it doesn't matter if GM goes out of business. competition is healthy and gives the consumer choice and quality and value.
your comment was so mind numbing I refuse to correct you... therefore rendering you to the hands of an American in 4D so they can reach out and choke you within a second of your breath... Google US AID PROGRAMS and then research the Chinese equivalents
Fareed,
Since when have you changed your profession to a movie critic ? Please go back to your real profession as a serious political commentator and try not to be too biased. It is becoming too obvious lately.
Are you an idiot? This is an article about free trade and non-competetive business practices, WTO violations and state censorship - that's pretty much the entire ambit of political economy right there in a nutshell. It's over. I can't look at these CNN comments ever again. So many small-minded, foolish, backwards morons. Please - enjoy your backwards developing nations. I'm over it.
So who's the idiot ? So a Transformer movie become a contention for free trade. Better stick to selling cars and planes.
Why is it that a movie celebrating Chinese history is called propaganda but that word is never used to describe the pro American trash from hollywood? I would venture to say that American propaganda is all the more insidious because there is a mistaken pretense that it doesn't exist. At least anyone can clearly see the propaganda in this particular Chinese film and therefore it is easier to seperate from the enjoyment of the film itself.
The script for every single war movie made in the US must be approved by the Pentagon, or else they can't use any military harware. Yet Americans are unable to see this as propaganda. At least the people in China are aware that their media is controlled by the government. Americans are clueless. Of course Chinese propaganda is rather clumbsy and easy to spot. In contrast, US propaganda is much more sophisticated and Americans seem largely unaware of it. That not only make US propaganda more effective, but more potentially more dangerous. For the most part, Americans believe whatever the media tells them to believe, without question.
I just watched it.
The Chinese are not missing a thing, the movie is pure garbage, I regret I paid to watch it.
Congratulations China, you are much better if you keep your people clear from this garbage!
fine,you pay to see it,and you define it as a garbage. Isn't it a truth you are just that stupid.
By saying you watched this movie and paid for it shows how stupid you really are... I did'nt watch the first because transformers died with the 80's.... I swear how many old movies and icons do we have to dig up before humans start creating agian... were all so busy copying each other we barley have time to develop... e.g. "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" oh yeah theres more sequels of already bad and old movies
You could actually consider China banning Transformers as an act of humanitarian mercy!! A place where Micheal Bay movies don't exist....paradise.
ironically, we buy their garbage and give it to our kids. They see the garbage we send them and send it back. Smart commies
No big deal. Transformers is presently being played in Hong Kong, which is China, and I can guarantee you that it's already on the black market there and millions are watching it as I write this.
That is orthogonal to this article. This article is about state-sponsored regulation of foreign media. The fact that regulations can be illegally circumvented is no information at all. That's like saying "Big deal women aren't allowed to go to college in X country, they watch educational videos that they procure in the black market."
Why would this matter to anyone in China? The bootleg DVD copies are out there BEFORE the movie opens here. Who are they kidding?
i can't believe these chinese bootlegs. if you're going to steal movies, you do it the American way, by going online and downloading it for free, not by buying a bootleg and giving someone profit.
So you think that watching streaming movies for free is an American thing? Propaganda works oh too well
Ummm.. i'm not talking about streaming. i'm talking about DOWNLOADING them. you moron. you clearly have never pirated anything in your life. learn it, my friend.
either way it's the same... are you really that retarded? and yes.... i use torrents
Um...you guys know it's already all over the internet. The chinese are watching transformers 3..just on their computers. You think all they do is play wow and hack our systems?
"The film is a pean to the Communist Party..."
Using obscure, archaic words makes you look stupid, not smart.
I see this word used often.
those are pretty common words, dude. go read a book.
DudeTX – I suspect Bob only reads tweets – and thinks "u", "r", "ur", etc. are words.
communism – good enough for the People under the government but, not good enough for the government over the People.
Who cares, China is not missing much.
Do not agree. wot a suprise is your imagination by connecting Legend of Rabbit and Kong Fu Panda!
Hollywood movie/star was the center of entertainment around the world, but nowadays? Not necessarily. Chinese people are not losing information or freedom just because the government is not releasing the 'transformers' at the same time with the other countries. However, freedom of speech and the restriction of using internet(youtube..) do need to change dramatically in China.
Fareed,
I think you should do some more research because China is not the only country that not played Transformer 3 or any other Hollywood films. You should also consider Indonesia to be put in your list, Indonesian also cannot watch Hollywood films since February 2011 because of some conflict on movie tax between the government and importers and MPAA.
Children must go to bed early. And so must citizens of China.
Children must not eat to much candy, so must citizens of China.
Children do not know how to take care of themselves – and so do the citizens of China.
Such a BS story. I have been to China quite a lot over the last two years, and I can tell you with 110% reassurance that *every* film we make over here is pirated in China the next *day* and they even show them in their movie theaters. They may not have the actual reels from the movie production companies, but they still have and sell the movies in China. That's just a fact.
Were talking gov't not people... we all know the chinese are no dummies
sucks to be them
LOL. transformers SUCKS. good for china to ban these crappy hollywood movies.
i want the rated R version of spiderman... but our profit hungry fools will never make that.
Honestly, it comes as no surprise.
CNN continuously puts out anti-China articles, with COMPLETE disregard for the betterment of life that has occurred in China in the last decade. Gosh, since there's stuff going on in the Middle East, why don't we start a 'Jasmine Revolution' in China too? Too bad no one showed up but the individuals who started the event: western journalists. That's clearly inciting public disorder.
No one is surprised when they're not invited to some Chinese event, and CNN has the gall to post that they're 'disinvited' from the event on the front page. LOL
How about you guys stop posting clearly biased articles on a government that has gotten its 1.3 BILLION people out of starvation, and focus on trying to foster intra-nation friendship and cooperation?
Oh but wait! You can't, because sensationalist media is all there is nowadays. At least on this website.
And banning a piece of garbage movie will cause friction?
When Americans say that we should protect our own labor industry and try to keep production domestic and stop the massive amount of imports, do you see other countries spitting on us for it?
Hypocritical.
Inaccurate.
Counter-productive.
Pathetic.
so, why don't you move to china?
Set, game, match.
"Chinese government focuses on trying to foster intra-nation friendship and cooperation?"
By how? Using military force to rob other countries' land, sea, islands......
Looks like it's time to slap some tariffs on China then. Fair is fair. "Free trade" cuts both ways...except when it doesn't, and then it's time to hit them back.
you're retarded. Buick is the best brand in china. i went to shanghai and all around me i saw KFCs and McDonalds. Transformers is less about Products and more about Information. If you want to protest something, get it right.
Doesn't matter. A deal's a deal. If we let them get away with this, they'll find excuses to block other American goods too.
You can buy transformers 3 on any street corner from Beijing to Shanghai to any small city in China for 10 RMB. No one goes to the movies in China when you can get the latest releases on the corner for this cheap
Chinese overpay for their pirated stuff. In the USA, we get it all for 100% free on piratebay. Those fools are way behind America in terms of true piracy. Hell, even my grandpa, who is a senator in Texas, gets 100% of his music for Free on piratebay.
Screw the Chinese Government. The people are fine, nice for the most part. But their government doesn't represent the people. America has made the same mistake twice now: the first was the Russians following WW2. Had America just smoked them immediately (as Patton wanted to do), there would not have been a Cold War. And now America has repeated that mistakewith China. The rest of the world was so lax on them due to business opportunities that they have been alllowed to grow way beyond their own capabilities, all while being led by a government that is intent on holding its people under water as much as it can. I can only hope that when things come to a head, America comes out ahead again. But I doubt it. China will ally with Russia and Norht Korea most likely, and we're going to see some major sparks fly one of these days as the world lines up against each other again.
What do you exactly mean by "when things come to a head, America comes out ahead again" ? What things are you talking about ? I hope you don't mean war ? Because if that happens, this will mean the end of humankind.
They want to stay in office so they can enjoy more of the bribe and gov't bids. What stupidity! They could make so much money from these movies. One more thing is Chinese government is extremely jellous of westerners making any money at all! They are like, ALL MONEY IN, NO MONEY OUT. Ok.. But the final fact is FAREED IS A CIA AGENT!
Ashley you are an idiot. Extreme censorship such as this is never ok
China makes me so mad. Because of the country and government having such a large influence and control over its people, whenever I meet a Chinese person I don't even take what they say seriously because I know it's all been fed into their brain since they were in school. No freedom at all there.
Tiny,
The same can be said about Americans or the British. Did you honestly think the world really takes Americans seriously especially after the invasion of Iraq and then finding that there was no WMD ?
以后我决定用中文回复以及发言，老外们看不懂就自己学去吧，一群孙子，国人应该有自己的民族自信，这些都是浮云。
very interesting point
The mighty Google translates as:
Do not forget to speak English
After I decided to reply, and speak in Chinese, foreigners who do not understand go on their own learning, a group of grandchildren, people should have their own national self-confidence, these are the clouds.
You took the words, er um, the characters, right out of my mouth. I couldn't agree more.
Bing translation:
I decided to reply and to speak in Chinese, foreigners are not read on its own go, a flock of grandchildren, people should have their own national self-confidence, these are the clouds
Obviously someone already brainwashed.
I thought he said that all the puerile comments are from 1) green-eyed motor mouth Indians 2) red necked American hillbillies 3) member from the Falun Gong sect 4) Tibetan separatists 5) ETIM
They got bank, we got the bankrupt/ see whats going on. And the chutzpah to even mention what movies they're watching or not watching. Snap snap snap out of it man. I'm pleased they care enough to care what their people are exposed to. I want my Chinese friends well educated, hard working, engineers and rational, as opposed to my American friends, not so much educated, definitely not so much hard working, and ponzi class experts at engineering financial bailouts.
gambino – Right on. You and I are in a fading minority. The majority of us can not get away from our 'We're Number One' euphoria long enough to realize that the rest of the world is passing us by, while we just sit and thump ourselves on the chest about our 'Number One' status, which CNN keeps reminding us of with articles such as this one.
who said the movie is not in china?
not in theater, but on illegal DVD and blueray disk all over the street.
(video cam version)
For five thousand years the Chinese have been ruled by feudal autocrats. The fact the Chinese Communist party has much better public relations than previous dictatorships changes little in that regard. In the past, there were many rich Chinese, who did what they wished while bowing to the Emperor, and many, many more poor peasants just bowing to everyone. In a modern context, today's China story is the same one.
Miss the point. The Chinese want to pirate the movie because that's what they do with everything made by others in the world. They don't have a creature cell in their own body.
Why should it matter to us what China people can see in their movie theaters? I never hear or read anything about China telling us what claptrap we can pass before the eyes of our mostly ignorant population, so why are we so absorbed in what they do? Is it maybe because of envy? Hmmm.
Because they pretty much own us, we have so much debt to them.
Ah China, the bastion of free thought. ROFL
Sounds like something out of the 3rd Reich.
They do not allow our entertainment to be watch in China. Good for them! We should not allow their goods to be sold in the US. Which would be good for us!
Here's the problem.... it's our companies. ROSS mixing company is a NY based mixing company who manufactures in China. Why? It's Cheaper. We're talking corporations not countries
Not very surprising. China's already censored most of the media and internet in their country. Also, just like any government, China is going to use propaganda to keep the people loyal to the government. It makes sense that they don't want ANY Western ideas (freedom, democracy, labor laws) to enter into their society and possibly provoke their people to revolt. The same kind of censorship and propaganda has been used in the past. (Iran, Libya, North Korea, USSR)
Thank God that we don't have such propaganda fed to us here in the good ol' US of A. ROFLMAO.
I never said we didn't have propaganda in the US. There's probably more here than in China.
China is big and powerful, but I don't see it being stable very long.
New technology is making it easier for information to get places, and since the country is keeping its population poor on purpose, it's going to cause more civil unrest.
I agree. Unfortunately, it's economy continues to grow. (Just like our debt to them.) I believe that the people will revolt eventually, but who knows when that will be.
a fair analysis
Also when Christianity and religion is involved. The police baracaded a stadium where Christians were gathering for a service and didn't allow anyone in. Also put CHINESE Christians on house arrest.
Based on some of the sample movies being quoted, such as the "Transformer", I understand and applaud the decision of the Chinese government. Silliness, childishness and ugliness are not, and should not be, welcome in any decent country.
Absolutely 100% correct on that point!!
Yeah, it's indecent to have a movie about robots, but poisoning your children with bad milk is OK? I guess decency has a different definition over there.
Ted Wu. Are you from China? Probably. You say that so called "bad movies" or movies that aren't for learning should be removed. What are you some good person that lives a completely 'good' life and does nothing wrong or is against everything that isn't a benefit for the brain or well being? It's entertainment. You are a hypocrite and I bet you have shelves of Transformer DVDs and the cartoon series.
China has the right idea, why buy US made goods and products when they can make and sell what they make to their own people instead. China imposes tariffs on us yet we the studid dogs just let it slide with China to their imports. What a bunch of dumb idots America has in running its policies abroad.
I saw Transformers in the theatre in Canada. The film is big time American propaganda. Fareed, you really should write about that. Have you seen the movie? I don't think someone as intelligent as you would not notice this. But why is it that when there's a Chinese movie out, you call it "propaganda"? The ethnic Chinese are not portrayed very positively in the movie Transformers, by the way. Nothing new, I guess. Hollywood has a long history of this.
the point being that nobody forces anyone or forbids anyone to watch it here. don't you get that?
Robots from space taking over the world is US propaganda how again?
Apparently brainwashed.... You don't even get your own propaganda.... The idea behind is the worship of power and violence. Got it? That is the belief the US is holding and educating its citizens. Translated in the real world, it means that you don't listen to my advice, I will bomb you. Like Lion King, behind it, America is the lion, the king of the jungle. Other countries' fate is to be submissive. Even Kung Fu Panda, there is always a struggle between good and evil. Hollywood cliche, black and white image about the world, Is it really true in your life? How many evil figures are around us? It's surreal Hollywood can make billions of dollars each year out of these junk.
Level Playing Field? This is one sided and unless the US stops enabling China INC to turn it into an economic basket case by such actions going not only unchallenged but confronted aggressively what do ordinary US citizens expect? Certainly not security and happiness.
It is horrifying how many of these comments are supportive of China and critical of the article's author. I haven't seen Transformers 3, but I'm sure it is a dumb movie. However, that's not the point! The Chinese government is using its power to control what information its citizens have access to and that is a dangerous practice! Moreover it is a potential threat to other countries. If the Chinese government has the ability (or near-ability) to control the thoughts of its citizens, what would happen if the its message became. "death to America" as it resoundingly is among much of the Middle East.
Speaking of movies, here are some recommendations; 1984, V for Vendetta, Brave New World...let's hope these themes stay contained in film and not become reality...
I assure you that we live in an age where information can't directly be controlled. If your complaint is that Chinese policy towards US film industry is unjust and unfair, I agree completely. If you're complaining that the Chinese people are zombies under the control of the Chinese government, then you are buying into Fox's propaganda.
b.t.w. I lived in Kuwait for 10 years. Most of my friends were from the middle east. While I found no one that would agree with US foreign policy, I have never met a single person who said "Death to America" or anything close to it. The world is far more complex and chaotic than can be described by such overly simplified statements. I meant you no offense, but I thought you should know.
The Chinese care nothing for free trade or the protection of IP rights. The world could complain but the Chinese have many western countries bought and paid for via funding their massive debts. Meanwhile they will repress free will and freedom of speech and thumb their nose at the west when it complains. This is what happens when you have the world by the balls, debt-wise! Good luck to us!
If ever there was a worse movie than the Founding of a Party/Beginning of the Great Revival, it has to be Transformers I, II or III or however meany of these derivative, tedious comic-book stories the studios turn out and promote with massive advertising budgets around the world to destroy little kids' intelligence. The Communist Party's propaganda is dull, predictable and amateurish and presents no threat to people's minds either inside or outside China. What we really should be worried about is the infantile garbage being churned out by Hollywood these days. Pirates of the Carribean 17 – the rest home – anyone?
AHHH neo-capitalism at its finest! Let them produce and buy, but don't free their minds.
This is very troubling for both China and the United States. China is showing a strong protectionist tendency. But remember protectionism is a two-way street.
It's reversing to its old self again. Closed to the world while spreading Communist propaganda.
God, I'm so happy I wasn't born in China.
I feel bad for the citizens living there though...
The Chinese are also happy that you are not born in China also.
Yeah I'm happy I wasn't born in China too.
And the Chinese are happy that we weren't born there because we would move away when we saw what the government was doing.
So everyone is happy... which is a good thing except for certain brown people in certain countries who are been bombed daily because certain country think that they are the good guys and God is on their side.
It's funny how when the US tries to even out the trade deficit the Chinese cry isolationism yet at the same time they keep their markets closed. Of course all this means is that everyone in China will see a pirated version of it rather than the theater version.
These fools are just like Liberals who say "Buy American." These Fools have no idea what Free Trade is.
China is pathetic. It's amazing how such a large and advanced country would tolerate a government that manipulates and demands total obedience. Come on Chinese think as individuals, drop your leaders and seek freedom and democracy.
Who you kidding? They hacked it on the net before the premier.
Just want to say one big mistake:
Legend of a Rabbit is a bunny fighting with a bear, disguised as a Panda.
One more thing. A well-placed source telles me that China is likely to be the world's biggest market for Transformers 3. So wait and see.
"Kung Fu Bunny" kicking the butt of "evil Panda".
If I were a Chinese, I were drown myself in shame.
I find it interesting that Fareed speaks of Chinese propaganda when he spews his own about the 'merits' of free trade. Is Fareed really so stupid as to believe that the Chinese would 'open up' to the West and allow them (their mega corporations and mega banks) to literally take over China?? Really Fareed, you're surprised by this? Perhaps the surprise comes from feeling like you (along with all the other free trade idiots) were suckered....They now have the productive output that the US once had and are stock piling gold and building a military (which could eventually rival that of the US)...Are you getting it yet, Fareed? That's right idiot...We've just handed over huge stores of wealth to a Communist dictatorship...What did you think was going to happen?
Why do we allow China to sell to the US with no restrictions when they ban some of our products. We need to treat them the same way they treat us, either ban or charge a punitive tariff on one segment of their exports. Electronics, or clothing, maybe personal hygiene products. Make it respond to an automatic reactionary formula, so the tariffs stop when they lift their bans, or they increase when China increases their bans.,
Why? Because our U.S. Senators and Representatives are gutless politicians and have sold out America by taking money from foreign governments so as they can get re-elected. Why? That's why.
There's a simpler answer: Free trade, market mechanisms, laissez-faire regulations. I think it's less about the politicians and more about "hey that's cheaper, let's buy that!"
I say we place a "moratorium" on Chinese products until they open their markets to ours.
The market is open. What are you selling ,,, not opium again !
China may become super power. It will never become USA. USA is more than a super power.
We should stop trading and buying goods from China while they treat our businesses like this, who is forcing them to follow international treaties.
Chinese nationalism is hardly new, it has been a major social force in China ever since the Boxer Rebellion.
Attempts to stifle the free market never lead where intended. They just make a mess look at movies in China, or many other things in China, for evidence of this. Things that are banned move to the black market, and pain and cost are associated with the inefficiency.
There are lessons here for America.
I bet the Chinese government won't have any problems with its citizens making bootleg copies of the movie, then selling them worldwide. Wal-Mart would carry a pirated film selection for the Chinese if they could get away with it.
Hey Fareed...
Maybe they could use our OLD constitution?
You know, the one you want to change that is no good anymore...
Fareed, wake up and go help and advise Obama some more.
CNN... get fair and balanced and dump Fareed. An Obama adviser on your payroll.
all in the name of materialistic consumption... I say good for the Chinese! F hollywood and all their garbage!
I would almost agree with you (aside from the use of caveman language) that there's alternatives to Hollywood's overplayed films and cash-generating industry...however a communist regime forcing its citizens to watch a patriotic documentary? That's pretty pathetic.
Shut up, indian sucker!!!
Regardless of what Bejing is doing bootleg copies are on the street in shanghai the day after the opening
Either the readers are ignorant or deliberately trying to change the focus. This article is less about Transformers or that Chinese movie. This is about gross violation of free-trade practice and the unfair practices carried on by the China as a country. It is also a little bit about how distant free-speech seems to be in that country (which I don't care a bit). Point is by delaying, banning, cutting revenue, allowing open bootlegging – the PRC is gaining unfair advantage and the western countries mainly the USA is losing revenue not based on product performance but based on unfair trade practices.
l Lisa-I am an american ex-pat living in Shanghai, there is no
Free Speech
Freedom of Assembly
Free Press
There are no freedoms here except making money any way you can no holds barred, and the Chinese people don't care about the freedoms that we once had under the bill of rights
SHOW ME THE YUAN is all they want
sadly agree with you...... But still I don't want a movie as bad as Transformer 3 to be shown in China. The situation there is bad enough, why make it worse?
Only one-way to change that violation and unfair practices.... and that's to stop buying WalMart items that are made in China. It's the only way to help stop corruptness with the Communist. Only proves that the Chinese Communist has never really told the Truth to its people NOR the World countries. If you feel bad for us in the USA, what do you think the Africans are getting for all their Gold, Diamonds, and Oil ? Think it hard.. it will come to you!
Lisa, What has this movie to do with free speech ? You mean all other countries must accept the crap that are churned out from Hollywood like Independence Day. I wish that particular movie is banned ! It is an insult to the aliens ! Watching some of the movies churned out by Hollywood can really lower your IQ
But at least we have the FREEDOM to watch Transformers and "lower our IQ" if we so choose. Chinese people have no freedoms.
Good for you. Lowering your IQ is good for other countries. Now about increasing the debt ceiling, Americans are keeping the rest of the world in suspense...
Tony – what this means that you have the right to see or not see, like or dislike whatever movie you desire. The government does not choose that for you. The basic premise of free-will is that you have enough IQ to make your own judgement. And once again as I mentioned in my original post – it is not about the movie "Transformers" but for the sake of argument let it flop/succeed based on its individual merit. The producers will learn their lesson based on the box office.
To be fair, I think these these things including leaded toys (famous Chinese products), MacDonald, coca-cola and Hollywood movies (famous American inventions) belong to the same list that should be banned from access to every human being for good. As it is clear to American and Chinese that those Chinese stuff found in WalMart are bad for you, it seems that it is not clear to many that those American stuff are bad for you body too. I'd say that the authority should act to ban them.
No matter what China and it's Official Communist Party Members try to do... the people of China know that their Leaders will always disappoint them with Western anemities, it's like a Drug Cartel telling your Children that drugs are good for them. One thing I've noticed with China growing and prospering is that they have followed the old traditional ways... which lead them to where the civil revolution consumed the Communist Party and actually changed their ways alot. Don't worry Chinese People, your Leaders mean well in preserving your culture and economy. We Americans, are on the way to self-preservation here soon!
They are banned because they couldnt dubb Transformers in ching ping ting tong in time !
China will only hollywood movies to be shown there that has Jackien Chen, Jet Li and Chun Li (street fighter) in it !
They want movies with touch of patriotic. Even if it means Jackie Chan will be a prop eating chinese noodles in a restaurant in the background while the main characters chatter in front.
Wow, now that doesn't sound racist at all...
You can get uncensored media all over China, any salesman on the street can help you there. But lets be pragmatic Fareed – If anything, piracy is a good thing for proliferating American culture (if that is your endgame). Let China develop a fan-base so when it "rises" and the population can finally afford to go see movies in theaters, they will.
On another note, I am perplexed by everyone's presumptions that this "censorship" is intrinsically a bad thing. Take a step back and realize that a majority of you are looking at it from a liberal, western point of view. Many Chinese don't view this kind of behavior as particularly bad because their view of the state is SUPPOSED to operate differently then ours. Sure, maybe if we liberalize them they will "see the light", join NATO, and suck our cock. But that isn't going to happen. Maybe YOU don't like censorship. That's fine, me neither. But how do you figure that our values are right for China? This pattern of thought has gotten the US in trouble before and spells diplomatic failure from all angles.
Here's hoping the people of China finally rise up as one, and demand the right to view such instant classics as "Zookeeper."
July 21st coming in Beijing, July 29th coming in Tokyo
Doesn't it tick you off that companies are outsourcing American jobs to China when they clearly are an enemy of the United States. Companies such as Spirent Communications, Cisco Systems, Apple etc. should be boycotted. This is getting ridiculous. What will it take to wake up the people!? Does America have collapse before anyone takes action?
Good times! If I were Chinese I'd be doing everything in my power to get the F out
Good idea. However, if your only motive is to watch Transformers, then it is not worse it.
These folding toy trucks are so dumb anyways
There is no need to worry, because in an Alternate Universe we are all Transformers and get invaded by Humans who destroyed there planet from Polution. There are good humans and bad humans.
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Yea although its not released in theaters, its definitely all over the streets, it was just anticipated as it was here, just as easy to watch. I bet a DVD quality is out already lol
It's more funny than 30years ago, why?
because we don't have any rights and dreams under control by C.P.C, specially in this month.
culture control like the paper said, dream control by funny Built Economics, Work whole life even can not have a apartment.
How many of you are aware that Mao Tse-Tung murdered 70M people during his reign? The M is for million. So, joke if you want but the world is not going to be pleasant place for people that grew up in free society once these pinheads start throwing their weight around.
I think it's time we banned all chineese imports, let's show them how Americans can really produce, most likely scare them shi**less once again. Don't screw with a sleeping giant
Ummmm ever heard of Capitalism.... Just about every corportation in America would be filing suit in petition aginst any measure such as that.... you are very very stupid. Perhaps your a tea bagger considering you think its such a simple fix and yet you have no understanding how your own country operates.
Did you mean sleeping fat stupid giant?
Of course, China wants EVERYTHING to be Chinese. Change? Of course not, there is no such measure for change in China, just building more crap out of the people's expense for the lowest wage possible. Influence? Who? The West? Forget that, China wants to continue to live in a bubble, which is fine. Capitalism my @ss, they still hold onto the communist ideology, thus still makes us the f8cking enemy. Two words can only come to mind when China comes along, F8CK YOU!
Cry all you want.
The Chinese owna huge chunk of our debt and therefore we are beholden to them.
I could care less about whether a movie plays in China.
The Chinese are on their way to owning America-along with every other rich country in the world.
Where we going to move to when they kick us off our own land?
Where will all those rich American politicians work then?
The Chinese have their own politicians.
Just one question... Name one country that ever repaid debt in the entire history. So China can try the get it back untill the end of days. This ain't gonna happen.
You fing idiots make me cry. Ask the French if we ever paid them for saving our asses and vice versa... We have given more to the Chinese in AID then we will ever borrow and not repay.. do some studying your freaking idiots... im scared for my childeren that your people are allowed to drive
"the chinese are on their way to owning every other rich country in the world"
LOL! You are a retarded Chinese propogandist that needs to get off real world websites. Who saved China from Japanese rule in WWII? Who has helped you since then? Who buys your shit? Who is helping oversees with foreign affairs? USA. China isn't doing shit in the world except brainwashing their own people and making our goods that we use. We OWN China.
wow... Donald Trump Jr..
China is the strongest country in the world right now in every way.
They have the strongest economy-they likely have the cash richest economy-they have the largest conventional military and they probably have the largest nuclear capability in the world too.
Unlike all the other countrys named before-the U.S. does'nt have the option of not repaying it's debt.
The world market is -for now- based on the American dollar.
But that will change and when it does-the U.S. will be in really huge financial trouble.
A debt defualt would be a big sign to the world that those markets need to shed dollars and buy whatever stronger currency can be exchanged for that falling dollar.
I assure all of you-the amount of foreign owned debt does matter-the amount of foreign ownership of American property does matter and the amount of foreign influence in the American government matters too.
Lobbiests don't care who pays them and politicians don't care who pays lobbiest as long as each gets their cut of the money.
And no one in the U.S.govenment thinks what they do can hurt the long term interests of the American people.
In the end our freedoms won't be worth the paper they are written on.
Some other country will own that too-as a historic curiosity..
Actually, China is trying to unload our Treasuries. They are scared shitless we are going to default. They don;t want to hold anymore our than they currently have(around 850B. B is for billion)
President Obama, if you have any balls, you will start tarriffs on imports and get this country back to work.
I find it funny that one of the Richest econmony in the world is one of the poorest countries at the same time. I want just one politician to stand up and tell the Chinese to take care of their own people instead of being the largest receipet of foriegn aid and they have the nerve to stand as a World Power... If Anarchy has taught me anything its that China will take care of China one day.... and i don't mean the govt
Obamas plan from the start is to create dependence on government. This playing right into his hands.
And this is the main news story on CNN?
Not watching mind numbing trash movies like Transformers is why they are becoming the new superpower.
urgh i could spend all day correcting you retards... Their a super power becuase they have no poverty limit, do not feed their poor and don't cure their sick and i mean this purley on a large scale. Outside beijinng is a very different china. Oh minpulating and controlling every single section of your economy tends to help alot. Check the foriegn aid and you will see china is nooo superpower
You know what? We need more free trade because it is really working well for us.
I The Chinese are very fortunate or very smart, that they don't subject their people to more Michael Bay crap. This was another of his terrible movies , that for some reason make a lot of money? Shows give the people garbage, and they'll eat it!
This is communism at its best!
This is dictatorship or oligarchy. In true communism the people are as free as they can be because there's no government.
We aren't poor just stupid. If the congress, senate and president had any balls(and the president wasn't purposely trying to bankrupt us) they could get the budget under control. They private sector alone could cut the yearly deficit in half(around 750B a year) if the government would do things that make them want to hire. Of course, that is going to be difficult to pull with a bunch Kensington believers.
I think you meant keynesian... next time google something if you want to sound smart
AMERICA needs to put the SMACK DOWN on china.
Communist China has always been extremely culturally protectionist. This shouldn't surprise anyone who's followed how they censor all overseas news, media, Internet, etc.
Think of the Chinese influence on western media... When is the last film with a poor dipiction of asians or chinese. The west thinks the east is full of ninjas and flying monks. Oh and all chinese are good and math and can strech a dollar farther than a jweew
Why would someone pay 100-200RMB for a movie ticket in China (15-30$) when a DVD costs 10RMB ($1.50) down the street? Better yet, why would anyone (outside of foreigners/tourists) buy those DVDs when they can download movies on the internet? I live in China – and my Chinese friends don't understand why I go to the DVD store. They download all their movies, and we only go to theaters as a social activity...
If Transformers was anything like the other crap Michael Bay has produced I'm not interested anyway. China wasted one of its movies on Fast & Furious and doesn't need another mindless action flick to make Chinese people think American's are morons.....
Why isnt this article arguing about getting a smart or thought provoking movie into Chinese theaters? Just like American's will stereotype Chinese off what they see in something like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon; the Chinese will base what they see off what they watch.
Final note of my rant: the new Karate Kid is huge in China – if the US really wants to use movies as a political statement they should learn how to play the game and make sure both China & US are shown in a positive light
You are right. now the American should ban all the crappy, environment destroying products from China. They should be allowed to keep the American from being subject to Chinese crap. Sooner the better.
You are absolutely right, but talk to U.S government and Walmart first. If you want to point your fingers at somebody, at least point on the right direction.
OH come on, we all just download from net anyway.It is free that way. Why pay for theater -
I like what the chinese govt is doing. They need to promote their own culture that is all. The transformers and other western movies are just giant brainwashing films that just make you want stuff that you don't need.
You are right. Now the Americans should also ban all the cheap chinese crap that is destroying their culture.
Why does this surprise the press and media. China just went through its nationalist tendencies with the rare earth metals, this is just another attempt by China to take over another industry as least in China.
Also a quick glance at the actors featured : both Daniel Wu and Leehom Wang, starts in China & in this movie, are AMERICAN born...
China is a horrible country.
Transformers 3 is a horrible movie.
Yes, I am comparing this movie to a dictatorship.
Why, what's your argument?
No argument?
ok, you are a horrible man!
Why, i have no argument
China abuses and assaults its own citizens.
Michael Bay abuses and assaults our intelligence.
Don't defend the indefensible.
I don't understand. The movie just delayed for a few days, CNN makes it sounds like never showing it
I spent a term at Beijing university as an exchange student. I keep in touch with a handful of local students I met there and yes they've all seen Transformers 3. Not legally in theatres. But 5 RMB (which is less than a dollar) for a knock off DVD near any major train station. It's irrelevent what they are allowed and aren't allowed to see or own (they also have facebook), there's always a way.
That being said, I did go see Transformers 2 days ago. I couldn't wait to get out of there with about an hour left. Thespecial effects were great, but the prolonged mindless fighting and cheesy script which dominated the entire second half of the movie was ridiculously painful to watch.
I can't believe how much misinformation there is out there regarding China. To keep things brief, I'll just state a few points. Please note that I am NOT American, nor do I have any desire to be American. At the same time, I've travelled to China on busines 2-3 times a year for the past 20 years and have very intimate knowledge of its inner workings.
1) America has already won whatever world race is going on, however you define it, for one simple reason.....American Culture. Chinese youth are obsessed with American Culture, whether its rock and roll, Gangsta rap, McDonalds, Mickey Mouse, Nightclubs playing Britney Spears or Kardashian-style shallow consipicuous consumption. The most popular plastic surgery in China right now is to get their eyes made rounder so they look more Western. It's possibly the saddest part about American's success....the world desperately wants to adopt America's horribly shallow culture. If America controls the culture, then they will always rule the world, whether overtly or subconsciously. I'm not saying it's good, just that it's true.
2) Nothing that the Chinese government says publicly is even worth the paper its written on. They make up every statistic to serve their propaganda. Take for example their employment rates. China is building massive suburbs and new cities all over the country. They do this to keep millions of labourers employed out of fear of revolt. The majority of these developments never sell. There are these brand new ghost cities everywhere. I've seen them over and over again. Furthermore, they hide the massive debt incurred to build these cities. What happens is a local, existing city takes on the project. Then they create a corporation to take on the debt for the project because Chinese cities are not allowed to hold debt. Then they allow this corporation to just sit there holding the debt indefinitely because no one can afford to buy any units in the development. It's the worlds largest house of cards.
3) As for original ideas, no one in China wants to start something new and original because it will get ripped off the day after they make it public. With absolutely zero intellectual property protection, China will never truly innovate, and thus they will never dominate.
4) As for statistics regarding how many engineers they have, it's also false information. The quality of China's university system is horrible. Trust me, I've worked with thousands of Chinese engineers over the years. 90% of Chinese engineers would barely qualify for an associate degree in the US. At the end of th day, the remaining 10% who are truly qualified engineers, are less than the number graduating in the US each year. Furthermore, plagiarism and cheating are so insanely rampant in China, that it's doubtful if even those remaining 10% are any good.
5) Let's not forget corruption in China. This is a topic that could fill books. Every single person I've ever dealt with in China for business, has always presented their plan to make extra money for themselves personally on the side. Every single public works project has yield dozens of people who line their pockets as they execute the project. Corruption is beyond rampant in China. It's part of the cultural fabric. This is unsustainable.
I could go on for days about who inaccurate almost every statistic about China's growth is. Yes, they are growing rapidly. Yes, they are making money. But it truly is a house of cards that will implode at some point.
I must strongly disagree with your point regarding Chinese engineers. I work for an international oil and gas company, and in the past few years I've seen a growing number of professional engineers hired directly from mainland China, who often speak very little English and are terrified of meetings. But they are the ones that always deliver results and come in to work whenever summoned without complaints. They are also often the ones keeping things from blowing up by correcting miscalculations done by local engineers. Based on what you said about this point it makes me question everything else you say, because I know this, at least, is not true.
What is it about the Chinese that they such pathetic, useless dweebs? LMAO!
Obiously, you cannot judge the maturity of people or countries by the amount of money they generate. Grow up China!
XD
I love people on these comment boards that type entire essays as if what they say matters and that someones gonna read it
China can do what they want, it's their country, good for them! Keep the culture strong.
And you would say the same to germany? So naive
YuKie, i luv that name. Can we be friends?
Actually, Transformers IS playing in China, courtesy of your local bootleg street vendor .
In 2099, the Beginning of the Great Leap Backward will be released. It will be an extravagantly produced, state-sponsored propaganda movie, which cost $14 trillion to make, a fortune by Amerexican standards. The film will have top actors playing an array of historical figures, among them Barack Obama, who's portrayed not just a revolutionary, but also as a romantic. He's played by a young Amerexican heartthrob. And while that might lure in female audiences, the real message isn't about love, but politics. The film will be a paean to the Communist Party, released to honor the 90th anniversary of its founding.
Good for China. Transformers 3 sucks.
"Beijing appears to be adopting a policy that favors local companies over international ones..."
Well, the first part of this sentence definitely contains some wisdom that our U.S. gov't needs to be reminded of, instead of extending tax breaks and bailouts to corporations that just ship jobs overseas. However, I do think it's disturbing that Chinese governmental control is as strict, powerful and uncompromising as it is, considering we're in the 21st century. Still, not everyone from other countries thinks U.S. culture is so great. McDonald's, Jersey Shore, Britney Spears, and Goldman Sachs aren't going to save the world.
I'm sorry but any country that bans art should be banned
That is why they are a communist country.
感谢Google，我可以输入中文。所有美国白痴，你是所有洗脑吸盘哈哈哈。
Thats because everyone there in China might be enjoying a bootleg of the movie...
Not being released huh???...Odd there are several web sites here I'm looking at indicating the theater, and show times in China. The sites are in Chinese so not many Americans can read them to check your facts, but if you have Google to translate, you can see it right before your eyes the date and times. In true fact: "Transformers 3" due to various reasons was postponed to July 21 release. This is 20 days or so later than the film's global release dates.
Transformers release time June 29, 2011: France, Britain, Norway, Poland, Canada, India, Mexico, Colombia, Panama, Brazil
Transformers release time June 30, 2011: Malaysia, Hungary, Denmark, Australia, Chile, China Taiwan
It was also decided by Paramount the release date as well, not the scary 'Chinese government'. "If we hadn't chosen to debut the movie later in Japan and China, we probably would have had the all-time record," noted Don Harris, general manager of distribution for Paramount“. It's lies like this that the media states as facts that create the fear of everyone else in the world that is not an American. It's particularly disgusting in the case of China, and other non English language country's, because Americans can not check your facts as easy, because of the language barrier.
Also, a film about the history of the only intact country to survive the ancient world, in my view is something to respect, revere, and inspire patriotism. Not to criticize. As for the government spending 12 million to make a film, and intake 130 million in profit sounds like sound finical gain in my eyes. I mean we are in 3 wars, and the government is on the verge of going bankrupt, and closing national parks. Not to add we are in debt to China a whopping 1,160.1 Billion. Thats about 3,721.00 every American owes China.
As an American married to a Chinese national, it's embarrassing to see the media report such lies about China, but I understand the jealousy that Americans feel in seeing a country that was once considered a rival, excel so incredibly, and soon to surpass us on so many different levels, like education, wealth, health, patriotism, and a positive sense of well being in general. As America spirals into an economic abyss.
I would post the links for you to translate, but CNN does not let this post go through.
The Chinese people will get sick of that treatment someday and put an end to it.
And in the mean time, we'll just pirate all of those Hollywood crap.
the Chinese were lucky to be spared this Hollywood tripe, waste of time and money....AND they made THREE of them?????? who goes to watch that garbage?
i'm a chinese, and i'm so sorry to know that the transformers can' t be put on chine. to be honest, i won't go and watch the founding, as it seems so boring.
Whats actually funnier than all this hate on China... is a country that has TWO political parties and calls itself a democracy and a free society... Agian Propaganda works ohh so well
Ppl!!..do you honestly honest go to the theaters to be educated? Movies are meant to put us out of reality! I study like 10 hours a day. I don't wanna sit down in front of the screen and learn for another 2 hours. Am a big fan of educational shows. But movies of like transformers aren't made to teach but to entertain. Idk why you have to bash on em. What the chinese are doin is oppression, which is wrong for many reason. But its a country with over a billion ppl. And considerin how eratic the world is right if they are given freedom it might tear down the whole system. They have ruled like this for thousands of years...4 to 10k. I dought they will fall anytime soon.
f u k china
I'm sure the Chinese government will keep Transformers 3 for themselves as they start incorporating some
of the transformer technology into their actual military.
It's not only china, Indonesia is not showing trasformers 3 and imported movies for a few months now.
It's so touching that CNN cares about Chinese people watching American movie in China!
Really touching and heart braking–I cry –seriously!
seriously. Im really glad to see CNN is incredibly concerned with Hollywood's potential profit in other countries. What a nightmare–we can't take advantage of their consumers? Just absolutely floored with this rubbish they call journalism and writing.
Chinese human rights abuse:
Start confronting the US human rights violations, namely Iraq, before you complain about China's or any other nations'.
i I watch the Transformers already is good, the China secret you should think but Transformers is a happy movie the teenager love watch this movie, I hope the China people let them watch this movie.
I think China should be the new U.S. of the World cause as bad as this may sound... I'm jealous of countries like Canada... I'm sick of this imperalism and campaigning for liberty.... Any revolution not started by it's people is a faux. The reason our constitution is dear to our people is becuase our ancestors faught and died for their freedom.... Starting false flag operations around the world for the benifit of one will always cast a shadow over your good deeds
although i'm not anti-censorship, the block on Transformers must be a response to Nasa's success this past week as China's space program is still on the ground.
This is crazy !!! There is no freedom !!! That is why i love living in USA, we are FREE to choose.
and thats why china will never be great like America!
Well, as China is overly protectionist, to the point of making Japan look GOOD from years ago, two words.
TRADE WAR AND TARIFFS.
It brought Japan in line, years ago. It'll bring China in line OR we'll find a replacement for products produced there. The Indian Ocean basin is REAL large and loaded with nations that would LOVE to sell us products from their factories and many DO produce high tech and low.
Obviously, CNN and lots of people in USA can not understand the behavior of Chinese.
7.1 is a special day in China, all things should be sync with the day.
The transformer 3 will be on show some days later and lots of people in China is warmly waiting the time.
So never make a dicision without a clear and complete investigation!
Sorry for my terrible English
I have no clue what you wrote, but I do provide translation services, and you can give me a back massage.
what do you say? or should I say, "Wing ching, ching,long, Bong?"
You're an uneducated moron. How's that translation for you?
No need for education, me luv u long time.
When is the last time a Chinese movie or any foreign movie is showed across America?
Chinese movie, why would I want to see Chinese people, there's a billion+ of those money grubbing, public nose pickers in the world.
Taiwanese-Chinese-Hong Kong-American co production in 2000 "Wo Hu Cang Long" or "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" was the last successful one. Look, its not that we here in America dont like chinese movies, its just that a vast majority of them are Propaganda Laden, or outright rip offs of American Films.
In the end it doesn't even matter cause you can just pick up the pirated version of the latest Hollywood block buster from a random street vendor for just 20 yuan or 3 USD.
Keep Pirating out stuff and see what happens to you.
Oh... PLEASE... To act as though there is a question as to WHY they do it, is pure insanity. We know why they do it. It is for a "harmonious society"... "harmonious" meaning they don't want the people to question why foreign goods, like movies, cost so much in China, and to slow any outflow of cash to foreign countries. So, they limit the legitimate release, while openly allowing (and fostering) the piracy and distribution of all western movies.
State licensed sites are known to get pirated copies and show them up to a week before they are even show to WESTERN audiences.
A few months ago, Tudou and Youku both had initial IPO's on the NYSE, and that was the first time that those companies removed pirated movies. The government had them do it. However, no other sites were asked to remove them.
Look, if I can't open a site that mentions Tiananmen 1989, Falun Gong, Tibetan Independence, or more recently, the RUMOR of Jiang Zimen's death... Yet I can go to State sponsored websites and watch Harry Potter movies, a week before their initial release in the US/UK... We know what is going on.
Regardless of what the PRC government says, the Chinese people admire American products as high-quality.
Seems typical of the Chinese government. Export all of their poorly made cr@p to the rest of the world but refuse to import anything, even something non-tangible like entertainment, from the rest of the world. The US should follow suit and stop importing products from China, then companies might start hiring Americans to product goods in the United States.
Usa banned lot of communist films..
why can't china banned capitalist films...........
A) Please list some Communist films that have been banned and cannot be seen in the United States.
B) Transformers isn't a propaganda film pushing capitalism.
Salt of the Earth (1954)
Right. There isn't ANY propaganda, promotion of capitalism, America, or consumerism in Transformers. Just like there isn't any basic ability of recognition when you watch movies.
Winter,
Sure, during the Cold War... and China did as well. However, we are not living in the 1950's anymore. The Chinese government isn't limiting movies based on the idea that they don't want the message of "Capitalistic Dogs" infesting the minds of the masses. They are doing it out of pure greed for not wanting Chinese money to flow out of China. They are happy with having the world pay for half of their economic growth, through 30 years of Yuan manipulation, and are not looking to change that.
Come up with a better defense than 1950's Cold War ignorance.
Problem solved, start slapping tariffs on Chinese goods until they play fair. Why should the US be abused and stick to free 'fair trade' when China wont. China wont float their currency, they violate trade laws, hack trade secrets, pirate, and steal IP and often ban products that competes with something at home.
Thank Nixon and Kissinger for China's trade policy. Without them,
China would still be farming for rice and cabbage.
Just change Optimus Prime's colors from red white and blue to red with yellow stars, and they'll allow it that day. Even better, Michael Bay would be happy to oblige, because he'd do anything for money.
well typical of chinese government . propaganda is used to justify one party system.. and extreme cases totalitarianism...
China needs to limit and control media to keep the support of its ppl. they do two things.. make sure the economic boom engine never stops(it's the economy, stupid! is the golden rule no matter which country) .. and if it slows down... blame it on the foreigners..
in US in bad economic times the democrat can blame the republicans and vice versa, in china there's no 2nd party.. so they must blame someone else but them.. which leaves foreign countries.. this is really why they drum up nationalism..
it's a dangerous policy indeed. and getting harder and harder to carry out in the age of internet
banning film is nothing compared to killing millions people............
Winter,
By the flow of your comments, I take it you are Chinese. Let me give you a bit of advice. Try sticking with the topic, or you simply show your ignorance of it.
I know it is a common defense mechanism for Chinese people to go off on some tangent to other topics, to defend people's criticism of China, however... it really is annoying and childish.
It leads to nothing but MORE criticism of things that were not even part of the topic. Do you REALLY want to compare China's import ban with what you perceive as the US "killing millions of people", and have us go down the road of Mao's 70 million? Please... stick to the topic of the movie ban.
China's banning of foriegn films, cloning of American products, unfair trade, currency manipulation, human rights violations, use of sweatshop labor, aggressive expansion is the real problem here.
Isn't this the right wingers' argument, " make sure the economic boom engine never stops(it's the economy, stupid! is the golden rule no matter which country) .. and if it slows down... blame it on the foreigners.." in the U.S.'s case, minorities and democrats.
What freedom is there in America when you can't even drink beer at the beach, or when Uncle Sam eavesdrops your phone calls and monitors your e-mail?
I'll grant you the beer on the beach, thats just basic freedom, but it was banned because we got tired of cleaning up after idiots who trashed the place. Remember rules are made by the lowest common denominator for the lowest common denominator. The rest of your rant was just paranoid b/s and you know it. Put the reefer down.
why do we (cnn) or any of the west care about "deprivation of Chinese consumer choices and quality" Hell dude as long as the companies are getting millions, isn't that what matters most? ..Yes it does
Seems like CNN finds endless ways to bash China with their racist articles.
Racism? Nice try. China/Chinese is not a race... it is a country/nationality/ethnicity. While I know that China seems to care for "pure blood", it cannot simply label any criticism of China as "Racist". Especially on a topic of movie limitations.
China sucks – lets nuke it.
Please state your affiliations so that I can appreciate your comments. You are
1) green eyed motor mouth Indian 2) red necked hillbilly from USA 3) Tibetan separatist supporter 4) Member of Falun Gong 5) ETIM supporter. Please also state which nuclear capable country you are from as you want to nuke China. Which city in China you want to nuke and how many people you want to kill.
Why don't you be a real journalist and sticks to the facts? Wait, I forgot it's CNN.
Besides, you are contradicting yourself. If you already knew only a few foreign films are allowed a year in China, then what difference does it make if it's transformer 3 or anything else? Just because it does well world wide, does not mean at the current time, they are obligated to do it now!
Lastly, to be honest with you, if you understand the Chinese people at all, then you should know they prefer Asian movies / Hong Kong / Taiwain / Korean / Japanese movies over all. It just shows you ignorance.
Anyway, there is no sense dissecting every deal, bottom line, domestic movies need to make money, it's a huge industry and when the streets are filled with luxury western brands and BMW 7s and Mercedes, the least Chinese gov can do is to manually interfere and create some rooms for the film industry to thrive.
It's using Transformers as an EXAMPLE – (Look at the title of the article). It is explaining why such an internationally popular movie isn't going to "do well" in China.
Your whole comment is filled with ignorance. If Chinese "prefer Asian movies", then surely your explanation of having a ban to "allow the film industry to thrive" is complete nonsense. (You can't have your cake and eat it too).
Streets filled with western luxury brands? Where the heck are you living?
You know right well that far more than 20 foreign movies are going to be listed on State licensed websites every year in China. You know this has nothing to do with protecting China's film industry... It is simply out of monetary greed. They surely are not worried about people preferring to see western movies, otherwise they would enforce anti-piracy, which they do not... even with those "luxury brands filling the streets".
Ever heard of marketing muscles? When you are backed by Hollywood marketing, you can turn a mediocre movie into a money making machine, especially when it's a "box office" hit in the States. This is the exact reason why Chinese who prefer Asian movies could be lured into watching movies such as transformer 3 and trust me, American marketing is very good at persuading. (IMHO, they did themselves a favorite not to waste 100rmb to see Transformer3) If you think preference of general population leads to proportional profit level, think again.
I live in the States of course. How else do I come to view my favorite tabloid news CNN without the great firewall? Have you visited China lately? Beijing, Shanghai, or any other major cities? I saw more BMWs, Mercedes than you can shake a stick at. Where the hell have you been?
Lastly, of course it's about profit. Make domestic industry to thrive is all about money. What else could it possible mean? Make their own studios rich & make their own actors rich instead of Hollywood.
@DarkDrew, I like to read tabloids, got a problem with that?
You bash CNN, yet post in the comments, your such a hypocrite.
so American's are mad because China is not playing transformer's in China. How many Chinese movies play in the United States? What a bunch of racist people on this thread. Shame on you CNN for promoting nonstop racism against China!
The lockout of Western movies is only so money doesn't leave China. Transformers is already selling like gangbusters on the streets of China. With full approval by the Chinese government. Americans aren't upset that the Chinese government only allows a few movies from the West in each year. Or that Transformers isn't showing in China. Americans are upset that we're struggling as an economy and Transformers is selling well and bring some money back home.
But the Chinese will all watch it for free. Thieves.
The government sponsored films are self-complimentary and historically distorted farces. They will go into trash pretty soon, like many before.
I'm not defending the central government in China by any means but there are a myriad of things wrong with this article. First of all, Transformers 3 is easily the worst movie of the summer-why does anyone care if China let's it in. Two, 12 million by Chinese standards is no longer as much as you or anyone in the world thinks. Let's all remember for a minute they're the fastest growing economy in the world–so we can stop making them out to be a bunch of country bumpkins. Third, I'm SO sorry, seriously incredibly apologetic that China genuinely does not care about Hollywood and American cinema's profit. God forbid we don't get to make money off other countries. I'm sorry they're not interested in giving their consumers "options" and thus perpetuating the nauseating consumerism that has turned our own country into an economic and cultural joke. Forth, the low level of ticket sales for American movies should tell you something about how Chinese citizens also genuinely do not care for our poorly made movies sometimes. Fifth, how is the government supposed to control piracy in a country of 4.5 billion? Little hard to control if you ask me. And–maybe, just maybe they should be more concerned with thinks like environmentalism and hunger–just a thought.
This article and the author not only come off as moronic but completely devoid of basic common sense and knowledge. Congratulations.
You say the word Fallon Gong in China and you disappear forever. And you think they can't stop piracy? I can assure you, Transformers is selling like gangbusters on the streets of China. The Chinese government doesn't care what movies the Chinese watch, as long as Chinese money doesn't leave China.
@Skeeve and somebody: How does it feel towing the hammer and sickle? Just like Scrooge, your chains will
soon drag you down.....
@quentos, I think I need my gutter cleaned, and my tree cut down, stop by tomorrow, and I won't call
immigration.
I say Let's stop buying things MADE IN CHINA and let's favor MADE IN USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the southern Indian city of Bangalore (yes, India's tech hub), there's often restricted screening of Bollywood movies. This is to ensure that local movies get a better chance. So what the author is talking about in this article happens in non-authoritarian countries as well!
If China truly didn't want it's citizens watching Transformers it would stop the rampant piracy which it openly condones. Transformers is already on the streets of China–selling like gangbusters. But not a dime is going to Hollywood. Want a ten dollar iPhone knock off? Easy to find in China. Want a GM Spark that goes by a Chinese name and cost a fraction of the price? The QQ is China's knock off. GM designed it and poured all that R&D and then China robbed them blind.
Truth of the matter is, China has had a game plan for a long time to bleed the wealth of the West by setting up a one way street. Money comes into China, but it doesn't leave. They steal everything they want or need. They manipulate the currency which is against the basic tenets of a free market. They should have never been admitted into the WTO.
China is a nation of thieves.
Couldn't have said it better.
Is this really any different than the lack of foreign films in the American market? I had to suffer through lame Segal/Van Damme films in the 80s and 90s while Jet Li and Jackie Chan films were wowing Asian audiences at the same time. Thankfully Netflix arrived to balance things out!
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/14/92755.shtml
A lot of argue but less significant points. Chinese want some changes but do not like the way of the Soviet Union.
Transformers 3 is about as taxing as a Republican administration.
Brainwash techniques like this only work in the past, today most Chinese internet users (yeah, they make up the largest internet population) watch American movies online anyway. Maybe people in their 40 still think the communist party is like the almighty sun, but the vast majority of the new generation Chinese, especially those born in the 80's, would like to see nothing more than the end of the red party. I know better because I am among them.
Fareed Zakaria's writing sucks. After reading the first 3-5 sentences of his articles, I automatically tune out. He needs to get to the point faster to reel in his audience to read the rest of his article.
The Chinese are doing the right thing, why let foreign media pollute the mind of their young?
You are right too. Why should america let the Chinese pollute their people with crappy Chinese goods or culture. America should cut off all Chinese imports and any Chinese cultural items.
I love it! Any time a news story hits the US news web that paints China in anything less than a perfect, Utopian society, the CN government paid lackeys roll in like a wave to defend their government / employer. They are easy to spot, in spite of trying to "blend in", and they aren't average Chinese citizens, as everyone knows the average Chinese doesn't have access to western news sites like CNN.
21JULY China, 29JULY Japan ,so what?
Is it just me, or was Sentinel Prime's betrayal in the name of "compromise" a dig at President Obama? I swear that was the first person I thought of when I first saw Sentinel talk to Optimus about compromising with the Decepticons.
So they want us to continue to buy all their slave-labor produced crap, but they refuse to allow the importation of the one consumer good that, without question, the US is the unquestioned leader at producing? Screw them! The more I see, the more I think MacArthur was right! (If you don't understand that reference, read some history!)
'Nuff Said!
MacArthur is right for wanting to nuke China ? Please state your affiliations – 1) green-eyed motor mouth Indian 2) red necked hillbilly from US 3) Tibetan Separatist supporter 4) member of Falun Gong sect 5) ETIM.
Actually MacArthur didn't want to NUKE China, he just wanted to keep pursuing the Chinese Army past the 54th parallel, and all the way to Peking, to give the Nationalists in Formosa the opportunity to mount a military liberation movement – which, given the respective technologies THEN available to the two sides, might well have been successful. Although he would have been militarily justified in doing so, under the terms of the U.N. mandate, Truman refused to allow it, because of his personal dislike of Chang Kai Shek, as well as his fear that MacArthur could use such a victory to spring a run for President!
So boycott Chinese films. What's fair is fair.
No, what's fair is to steal a copy of the film and distribute it freely on the web, and then sell knockoff DVDs of it on eBay.
typical of the chinese. the great wall of china all over again.
fear of the barbarian is built into the chinese communist party. they are terrified that the chinese people will actually like these and movies and stop watching the C grade stuff that the local chinese moviemakers turn out.
Most of the websites hosting pirated American movies are hosted in China, most pirated media comes from China. The Chinese government does nothing about piracy, so how can they do anything? Most Chinese kids watched Transformers 3 within 2 days of theater release, it's posted everywhere.
China's youth didn't have foreign entertainment, they would turn to animal torture and cooking dog meat.
Which is propaganda: CNN always reporting negatively on China or China is limiting it's media to it's own citizens? For me, I think both.
顺便说一句，刚才写了美国的军费世界第一，到处打仗的话，已经被迅速删除啦。哈哈。。。效率不比中国政府差呀。
Isn't an article touting the benefits of our "free" market just as much propaganda as what China attempts? At least they are in your face about it and don't even attempt cunning. The majority who are dim wits, regardless of culture will always be fooled. The more aware minority will always be the annoying squeak in the background, something to laugh and point at, to help feel more at one with the tribe. Time marches on.
All of what this article claims is also practiced right here in the good old USA. Call me a communist if it pleases you, but I am not. I was born in the US and am a USA Korean war veteran fighting for my country,,,BUT I am also aware that different countries have a right to their own governance. We are not the policemen of the world nor do we have the godly right to tell other countries how to govern. Seems to me that our current attentions should be in getting our own house in order....
You dont need to be under chinese debt..Your country needs to be real smart..If they are able to sell their cheap products..nautrally it has to pay attention to international laws ..If it cant..it is like piracy..If its doing piracy you need to protect your interest..Dont be a fool.. Dealing with china..Yes they dont want ..their ecenomy to be opened up..
and they will like to sell their products in usa...And usa like a fool agreeing to ..I really doubt wether your mafia of companies and politicians are really interested in running your country..Your army though is a different sort..They are ready to sacrifice their life..But not the politicians and Multi nationals..Mulit nationals are firms actually foreign firms ..with sole intention of making money..so you have no choice..
It would be better if it wasn't released here either.
Well in the USA they dont force people to not watch something, but they do brainwash people with all the Junk Media. How is that different than what they do in China? It all leads to the same thing. The only difference is that they do it in a nice gentle way in USA.
Maybe they just created a movie that was worse than Transformers! Nah, that would be impossible.
I wonder if porn's out of the question?
ummm so?
what do you mean... so? use your brain. america is in debt.. we buy mostly chinese products.. helllooo.
@john WTF i thought this article was about a movie
nope. the article is NOT about a movie.
@john your a complete dumbass the article title is "WHY THE TRANSFORMERS CAN'T BEAT THEIR WAY INTO BEIJING" pretty sure it has something to do with transformers. Your move
lol. wow. thanks for the comic relief. now i can go to bed with a smile. goodnight.
I'd rather see their propaganda than transformers 3.
funny part is how people of china are controlled by such freak government , no independence, no one is republic in 'china' . In India I decide which film I have to watch not anybody else.
Can't have too much of that freedom of speech stuff now can we?
A lot of this debate is mere wanton speculation.
1) It's the 90th anniversary of the CCP, when else do you expect them to promote the party? It's like complaining that the US government encourages propaganda on July 4. It's called Nationalism. Nothing wrong with that. If you don't like it you dont have to see the movie.
2) If the government really wanted to 'ban' foreign films, you wouldn't be able to find them in abundance at every single DVD shop across the country. There is really no shortage for both locals and expats alike. In fact, it's arguable that more locals would actually get exposed to foreign films that way because it's about 1/8 the price of a movie ticket for one person.
3) Of course a movie celebrating nationalism is going to focus on the positives. You don't see any Fourth of July movies talk about the US' mistakes and scandals, do you? But that doesn't mean the Chinese government or its people are pretending those things didn't happen. It's just that they have acknowledged those were mistakes and they have moved on – not just the government, also the people. Ask Chinese citizens and they will say, "Cultural Revolution? What's there to talk about? It was a mistake, people suffered, the government has acknowledged that, the whole world knows. Why dwell on it. We are in a better place now, and we just want to look forward, not backwards." If the common man on the street who was a victim of the Cultural Revolution doesn't want to dwell on it, why are you?
Time to start looking forward, not backwards America, because before you know it, you'll be way behind.
So what's the big deal? We get the Sarah Palin Movie!
Everybody acts as though this is something new. China didn't become an authoritarian police state yesterday you know.
I'm a Chinese employee from a foreign company in Shanghai, China. I never want to see this film, have no interest in it at all. Neither do my colleagues and families.We could see little forgein films in Public cinemas, and could only download films from the internet, even i know it should be illegal. There is massive piracy of DVDs in every city in China, but our government does little to prevent.Some foreign flims will get some cut before it's presented to the audience, so that we can't bear it. piracy is getting even worse and it really hurts the new-born film makers in China. No new cultures could live under the control of Communist party of China!
Hollywood movies are trash. I stopped watching them since I grew up.
Human rights... rotting brain...history...etc.... wait, all these comments are because of a movie??! It's a movie where people get to see amazing video FX and have fun. Especially the kids who like robots and stuff like that. Why so much anger? Is just a movie...with robots
Chill people...
america is blind. all of our products come from china and we wonder why the current major economic issues. we buy cheap to save a few bucks while not taking overall consequences into consideration. we outsource everything to china. things are getting bad... time to make a change people.
Good point Thomas. This shows how smart China is. America needs to wake up.
Wow.. China stops buying American. We gotta stop buying so much Chinese products. Its mostly garbage anyways. We need to learn to go out of our way to buy local and Domestic whenever we can. We make better quality goods anyways...
What about hollywood studio refusing to sell movie to a country because of high import duty? We in Indonesia haven't seen a single hollywood blockbuster since Feb'11.
Hey, most American movie are on pirated DVD's before they even hit the theaters in countries outside America.
ofcourse China doesn't want American films in their theatres, because Hollywood doesn't produce quality films with substance for a long time now! it's mostly rubbish! who wants to watch braindead films like transformers anyway? China has a perfectly good film industry of their own, and films from all across Asia are far more interesting than any American movie. The reason why in America there is only a handfull of foreign films that hit the big theatres, the same goes for Asian theatres where asian movies are predominat over hollywood or western movies, because of the fact asian movies are made in the mindset of asians, so thats why it is populair in that region, capiche?
Indonesia wont be showing harry potter either.
China never tried, and will never try in near future, to turn to 'outward orientation' policy; unless, outward orientation moves can help communist party achieve political aims. Knowing this, there is no surprise to see Communist China ban any foreign films as they like just to promote moves which can help brainwash the whole nation.
The music played in the last scene showing China's animation about the rabbit, is from a famous Korean drama that was aired last year. They are shameless in taking the whole thing. It's not even a variation of the theme, but the actual theme. Wow! They are countering hollywood animation using the same format and copy pasting the music from Korea. I just hope someone in China feels a tiny bit of guilt and shame in all of this.
Most chinese I knew who live in America today are defending china and its communist party and dissing the US but at the same time they becomes American citizen and don't want to go back to their own country and live there. What a bunch of hypocrites.
they are the families of the elite communist......
Every country has its own problems. China is better than the past. New changes are expected by majority. Obviously, USA is a well developed country to live and most Chinese like to choose the better one.
America should ban some movies too battlefield earth, showgirls, macgruber, last airbender I rather watch the chinese propangana flicks
I loved MacGruber !! Will forte was hysterical!
Just a decade ago, CHina was considered old, repressive, horribly overpopulated, major human rights violator etc etc.
Today they're buiiding iphones, ipads, parts of the SF Bay bridge(!). They moved rapidly to eliminate the negatives, clamp down on population growth and try to outcompete the West in technology, science and the results are just astounding!
Democracy would have slowed CHina and made it an unmanageable mess. They've moved with cunning, ruthless efficiency by having no competition, checks and balances... Kind of impressive really.
Americans are so ignorant it's actually funny. These comments give me better confidence about the future competitiveness of my country
This reporter really sees through that government, good job! Feel bad for the people there, many may not even notice that they been caged, mentally. Hope good thing come alone. Sometimes money make us blind.
CCP is the evilest political aprty in the world. It lents the land free to foreign investor for 99 years and provide the cheap labors. After the expiration, CCP takes all the land back with whatever on it. CCP has the authority to take its citizen's land and any poperty on it. You may find your house is wiped out by CCP when you come back home from work. It keeps om brain washed his uneducated citizens to support the evil party.
American reporters have the obligation to educate the human being around he world about the evil CCP party. it will be too late when the 99 years expiration day comes. Wakeup, Americans, there are more serious problems in China now than the Moa's past.....
I agree with the author on one and only one thing: That Mao was at heart a romantic. All communists, all socialists, all Americans are at heart romantics with their ideals for a better society, each with a different interpretation of what such better society is. Only problem is... communism creates a huge low class, no middle class, and a very tiny, powerful and ruling elite. Socialism creates a huge low class, a tiny middle class and an even tinier upper class which happens to be extremely corrupt. And Americanism creates a huge lower class that can eat, attend school and watch cable TV, a relatively large middle class with plenty of perks, and an also relatively large upper class with a decent population of millionaires and billionaires. From the perspective of prosperity, happiness, and human rights... whoever still challenges our system needs to be immediately deported to China or Cuba... starting with that fat imbecile Michael Moore.
much information are blocked in China. I cannot use Facebook or Twitter.
In my experience it is much easier to find Foreign movies in China than in the US. It seems the US is a much more closed society to foreign films. American movies rely on simple plots with good graphics, usually bad and fgood guys. The graphics make the movie expensive. Chinese movies have complex plots requiring less graphics to compensate and therefore the movies are cheaper.
They don't want OUR propaganda. Almost ALL movies, tv shows, news media, etc comes from 6 major conglomerates: Viacom, Time Warner (cnn), News Corp, Disney, Sony, and General Electric/Comcast. The seemly huge variety of studio brands you see at the beginning of films are all subsidiaries of these companies... as well as most tv channels. The CEO's, board members, and the people they are in cahoots with are driving what is beamed into our brains. Sadly most people are way too confident that "tv doesn't shouldn't and doesn't influence them". Subliminal baby.
between how US and China is being run, China is heading somewhere and US going nowhere. look at how americans abuse freedom. yes be proud of expressing it in a way that leads to destruction. and that's a fact!!!
Doesn't Hollywood just send the message: Good guy heroes are white. unless you are will smith, denzel, jackie chan, or jet li. Every other minority is a bad guy or a side character peppered in so no one complains about the lack of diversity. Hollywood's done nothing but glorify western culture and made it seem superior vs every other culture in the world. that works well in america but it could piss people off elsewhere
Bumblebee is yellow
You want to make money hand over fist? Take a crate of Levi 501's over to china, just dont get shot in the process. I guarantee you that you'll make money, China may clone a vast majority of our products, but thats because the clones all suck, China can't produce the same quality that we here in America can, Not by a long shot. And now china wants into Space, thier rocket will fall apart on the launchpad from all the Plastic.
I think you mean their clones suck compared to the actual products THEY make FOR the West. Like the ipod, ipad, nintendo wii, etc. They know how to make A LOT of stuff better than the US
No, they dont, I've fixed ALOT of thier electronics over the years, they cant solder for shyte. and its all cheap cheap cheap. No quality at all.
oh yeah right, i forgot all the huge news stories of apple products malfunctioning en masse.Oh wait, that never happened. It's called Foxconn look it up.
The COACH purse and Longchamp handbag i bought are all made in China. They are perfectly fine. You can still live your American dream and keep ignoring the facts that are happening elsewhere in the world. I came back to Asia 7 years ago from New York City because I realize a fact. You cannot save money in the States. Somehow this country has serious problems. Almost every college graduates are in debt. Wake up, dude.
your a dumbass. anything built by nasa was manufactured in china. obviously they have a budget they must keep up with.
I dont think you realize that the Shuttle is built here in the USofA, I've been to all the facilities, from Houstin, to the Cape, JPL, Im sure computer systems for ground stations come from china or japan, but the rocket, thats good old AMERICAN engineering.
the chinese OWNS the US. One day...when they decide to pass a bill to prevent goods from being imported/exported to the US...the US will completely fall apart.
good for China
CNN: can you answer me a question?
Why did you delete my post?
perhaps it violated the TOS?
Because it was dumb
這是有史以來最笨的文章。
thats your opinion.
besides, I've read stupider articles.
China – 這是有史以來最笨的國家
中國是有史以來最笨的國家
不管你的兩岸關係立場是什麼，請你就事論事，不要在這裡丟人現眼。
Much ado about nothing. Don't know what all the yapping here regarding censorship is about. Moral correctness notwithstanding, anyone who' s travelled in China would know there's no, I mean NO cersorship for any movies at all in China, unofficially. All you have to do is go to any one of the zillions of DVD shops in everyone Chinese city, village, you can find anything you want, albeit most are pirates. You can find the most obscure cult movies (you have not even heard of this – Luis Bunuel's Andalucian Dog), to the latest Hollywood, Bollywood, Hongkongwood, Koreanwood for RMB 10. I bought the entire Quentin Tarantino's collection there. Just making a point China is a much more open society than portrayed in the media. True, it's immoral, but then you can find the same things almost everywhere in Asia, India, Malaysia, Taiwan, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam......
True..... but the fact is that the goverment of Phillipines/Thailand/Vietnam etc. are not blocking our product like China.
they just delayed not censored. why is it CNN and americans must exaggerate the truth.
not to mention any country have a right to have its own system of distribution....imagine if there was a movie from china that is playing in the states but it was delayed for whatever reason,...and than the chinese media and people was up in arms calling it censorship and basically tried to dictate how your system should be run in order to appease china. What would u think then?
He would probably think he was in China. They do everything you are talking about. Yes in this case they are merely delayed. That is for their benefit. They do hold up trade – in violation of international treaties, they do regulate everything. But on the other hand I have to say I have been studying them for a long time now (I live in Suzhou China). These actions are not part of a subversive plot, but truly are a part of Chinese culture. Most of the governments behaviors that appear out of place with westerners appeal to a cultural logic with them. Face is very important to them. I would agree that shouldn't excuse them of their treaty responsibilities, but if you truly understand their culture and take it into account it becomes much harder to vilify them. And really – the shouldn't be, as a people they are mostly very welcoming and kind, not to mention forgiving. They have a long memory, they remember quite well how they were treated by the west in the past – grudges are also part of their culture. They remember well how they haven't always been treated equally or fairly.
But it will release at 21st July in China and 29th July in Japan, so what is the truth ? info from http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=transformers3.htm
ut it will release at 21st July in China and 29th July in Japan, so what is the truth ?
info from http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=transformers3.htm
I read a book called "The Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party". Since then I refuse any brainwash by Chinese Communist Party.
The book consists of 9 chapters:
1. On What the Communist Party Is
2. On the Beginnings of the Chinese Communist Party
3. On the Tyranny of the Chinese Communist Party
4. On How the Communist Party Is an Anti-Universe Force
5. On the Collusion of Jiang Zemin with the CCP to Persecute Falun Gong
6. On How the Chinese Communist Party Destroyed Traditional Culture
7. On the Chinese Communist Party's History of Killing
8. On How the Chinese Communist Party Is an Evil Cult
9. On the Unscrupulous Nature of the Chinese Communist Party
Falun Gong?? shame on you !
What is the difference? Big government brainwashing you, or Big Hollywood brainwashing you?
CNN reporters seem to be lacking in their writing skills. It was rather painful trying to read through this mess.
On topic, Hollywood is without a doubt spewing propaganda also. Nothing like supporting the greedy capitalistic pigs behind the massive corporations that love to exploit and enslave.
Nice Article
Why the USA allows itself to lose Billions from illegal control, yet allow their junk to flow in to the USA, unblocked. Time to block more of their junk flowing in. Lets call it cultural protection.
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It's cuz Ken Jeong is a defector
paean not "The film is a pean to the Communist Party."
This story is troubling to me. 1. China just made a video game where a wartime faction (theirs) fights another faction (The USA) for dominance. Now we see they are fighting on a 5-13 age scale agaisnt us by countering Kung-Fu panda with a Kung-Fu Bunny...(because it has an over-bite?)
The truth is...we could kick China's azz in a land fight, in a sea fight, in an air fight and even a space fight. Hell...we could even kick their azz in a nuke fight. They would starve to death and also die from thirst.
I think we need to focus on being friends. I have no issue with being best friends with a brother I know I could stomp into a greasy puddle, then put on my boots and walk that puddle dry...I am all about peace.
So peace homies....don't piss me off.
Watch 'The Bloody History of Communism' and tell me the Communists have anything to be proud of....
Mao Tse Tung was a complete tyrant and brainwashed his people into thinking he was a hero. The whole system is broke and unfortunately is still around!
Here we go again. Other conutries can prevent our goods from being peddled in their homeland but in the US we can't prevent them from sending their garbage to US.
Ever since theey let the ChinComs into the WTO we've paid a dear price & they've reaped the benefits.
So...why not just quadruple the import taxes on ChinCom products?
You want jobs in America? Stop being garbage made by the ChinComs. they're still the commie Pink-Os & nothing will eer change that.
The problem is the film industry & media in China is censored by the Communist Party. No film or documentary will be released in China that discusses human rights abuses in Tibet & Xinjiang, for example. No film will show Taiwan in good light as a separate state. And no film in China will be allowed that portrays Falun Gong in a positive light or discusses the violent crackdown by the Party against Falun Gong followers. People forget China is still a one-party dictatorship run by the Communist Party & that Party tolerates no challenge to its monoply on power.
Good. All that means is that the summer films here won't have to worry about so much piracy then.
Sad sad sad. Americans are so removed from the reality, no wonder we are in such a deep pile of ****. Point fingers at anybody but ourselves.
Complain that China makes too much money, complain that they hold trillions of our debt, sell us bad products, steal our jobs and now, *they are not showing our Transformer3....not fair!*, the list goes on and on.
WAKE UP and GROW UP!!!! They made cheap products because Walmart told them so! They are more than willing to sell us good products if we pay for it. But for $0.50 Walmart is willing to pay and for $1.99 you are willing to consume, what do you expect? Good quality products that can be used by NASA and go to outer space?
Mortgage crisis, relentless wars over the decades, and now we are blaming our mishaps and poor finance management on others who we make profits from?
Learn to take responsibilities people.
Transformers should've been banned in the US too!
Of course this means Hollywood will produce movies that stroke China's dong just because they know China will distribute it and make them money. If there's money to be made off of a 1.3 billion-person market, the answer is obvious.
Here in Venezuela, they won´t released Transformers, apparently some issues with the dolars and the distribution companies....but who knows...
Maybe it has something to do with your dictator Chavez. Perhaps the distributors didn't pay him off enough.
Yet the U.S. still has dealings with these control freaks. We enable this, so I assume our Gov. would love to have us as the same.
Just to be clear, the translation for "[Transformers 3] is the perfect summer blockbuster for audiences around the world – action packed and not too taxing on the brain" is "If you sleep through the last hour of the movie, you won't miss anything. In fact, you'll probably have a more enjoyable time."
If you have to see this, rent it for $1.
@Edaquino Nice laugh. They dont live on the moon and they arent organic. They are giant alien robots. A ship with dead bots crashed on the moon and they got reactivated in the movie. Please actually understand the movie before you criticize it.
Transformers 3 wasnt meant for people to get all logical on it about "oh this was boring and that was" It was meant to be a movie about alien robots coming to our planet and how they fight. If this franchise sucked it wouldnt have 3 movies that made much more then any of you will EVER make and the shows have been around since 1984. Gee who feels stupid now?
Do you realize I didnt need to read the article because its in the video verbatim?
China isn't stupid... they know that the United States/Europe is engaged in a psychological brainwashing of people, and movies are definitely a part of it.
I'm getting confused!!! Michale Bay is coming to Shanghai for Transformer 3 premier which is scheduled on on July 21st. Yes, it's 3 weeks after US premier, but all this political nonsense? We treat CCP propaganda film like jokes in China and you guys are more serious than us.
That's good to hear. Hopefully, news of the outside world can find its way into China past the censors.
Yeah, he was commenting that they were delaying the film, not banning it. And Mao deserves a good film, but he was tragic; he came so close and still didn't really free his people. Communism just doesn't work any more than pure laissez-faire capitalism does in the real world.
Fareed Zakaria -
Were you born under a rock and just came out?? None of the "troubling" items you listed is new. Not showing movie rating – NO WAY, censorship – UNBELIEVABLE, producing propaganda – YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. Wow – talk about having nothing new to add. China's "leadership" is all about one thing – staying in power by whatever means they can. They don't care about anything else and will do whatever they can to maintain their chock hold on the 1.3 billion. The little "gives" they let the common people have are just to keep them pacified. The common people have had so little for so long and are CONSTANTLY brainwashed they just don’t know any better. And don’t go thinking the “Arab Spring” will change into the “China Summer or Fall”. The one thing the Chinese do is know how to maintain control – they have been doing it for a long time. The recognized the one thing that could have really hurt them well before most people even had heard of it – that was the INTERNET. That’s why they have total control of all inbound/outbound traffic. Can’t have all that “free thought” flowing around without some control – that would be bad.
Hey here is an idea for your next “totally enlightening, ground breaking” article – smoking is bad for you. I know it’s unbelievable. Who would have ever imagined that.
How about the Event, Visitors, the Adjustment Bureau, or Falling Skies.
Tell America to keep it's hit HU cause your society does not want it.
Without me HU, Hollywood would not know what to do cause if it is to sad to be true, over here it's true.
is any one bother that china is basicly (sory for speeling) keeping out foriegn media so prpoganda can be viewd?
One of the dumbest things the West ever did was play both sides of the fence with China. First question. How is it that the U.S. spent 40 plus years and countless trillions fighting 'the scourge of communism' only to turn around and immediately jump into bed with China? Anyone care to explain that one? Second, what economic mental midget thought it a great idea to literally give China the means to surpass America? In the process destroying the middle-class of America. From simple face value it has all the appearance that America was torn down on purpose. Either that or the dumbest (EXPLETIVE) ers on the planet have and are running the West. So America, which is it? How long will you all sit here while your country is led to ruin by self-serving egomaniacs??!!! Time certainly is NOT on our side.
because capitalism does that. it allows free trade.
Maybe instead of criticizing China for favoring their own movies and industries, CEOs here in America ought to follow China's lead and favor American industries. China CEOs and leaders see themselves as Chinese first. American CEOs are thinking about numero uno and the idea of favoring "their" own people never even crosses theri mind.
He wasn't criticizing as much as he was just reporting. This is happening, and here's what we think. You do know Chinese CEOs can be shot by a firing squad for making awful decisions? Remember the poisoned milk and cat food? POW! They're fired.
Oh that sounds great in theroy and all the Unions would make you think that would solve everything. But you know what the real issue is PEOPLE are cheap and don't want to pay for a fair price. The all scream about making a "fair wage" but then don't want to turn around and pay it out. It's "I can get it cheaper over here". We are way past those days of paying for "Made in America". The big issue is we didn't kick the crap out of Chiniese Communists back in 40's when we had the chance. Truman should have let McArthur take care of both Russia and China. Anyone that thinks China will ever fairly trade in the world market is a moron – it won't happen as long as the Communists are in power.
I want to make propaganda films! Yes! USA! USA! USA! AMERRRRRRRRRRRRRICAAAAAAAAA
"China is said to be building two new movie theaters everyday."
Unless the writer meant that they're building the theaters in an everyday manner, it should have read "...theaters every day."
Why transformers isn't hitting the theatres in Beijing? ever thought of that people in China aren't grown up with transformers, and they might not even know what transformers are!??! and its michael bay film, that means it sux anyway, even for our standards, who wants to see that krap of a movie anyway!?
American movies always show how great americans are, and depict them as heroes, and the rest of the world as evil or dumb, talk about propaganda! American movies are the pinnacle of propaganda and nationalism, and you seriously think China wants to get a load of such movies?
I just don't see how the CCP is going last much longer into the 21st century, keeping control of 1 billion people. Its some kind of scary miracle that its lasted this long. No longer its becoming more and more bluntly authoritative, its the last option and won't work for long.
Ed Aquino,
Transformers IS a JEWISH movie
hello...they just delayed not censored. why is it CNN and americans must exaggerate the truth.
not to mention any country have a right to have its own system of distribution....imagine if there was a movie from china that is playing in the states but it was delayed for whatever reason,...and than the chinese media and people was up in arms calling it censorship and basically tried to dictate how your system should be run in order to appease china. What would u think then? ALso china dont have movies about "mistakes" in the past such as tianmen sq etc...just as america dont have movies on waterboarding and killing civilians in iraq etc...no movies of sympathy to uigurs just as aericans dont have any movies of sympathy to the 911 hjackers...some of these censorships are understandable...some are just the evils of "goverment". All governments have the same flaws when they exert control. CHina is neither better or even worse than many govs.
Anyone who thinks for an instant that China is NOT run strictly for their own interests long enough to not need you or your business any longer than absolutely necessary deserves to lose every cent they invest..
Indeed, yes, we can blast China for the propaganda effort described herein. However, we must also consider the propaganda presented in Transformers 3– certainly an exercise in jingoism if there were such a thing.
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Are you able to see the film in Beijing today? If you're not able to see it today, then it's censored. Doesn't matter when in the future it's going to be shown. For your argument on the Chinese film being shown in the US to be valid, the US will need to also block every foreign film in the country, replace it a propaganda film, AND claim that it's not being censored, but being "delayed".
Do you run people over with tanks and say , "oops, that was a 'mistake'"?
so according to your logic every movie from hollywood must be instantly distributed and deployed in all other countries in order for said country to be said to have no censorship. You americans must have the satisfaction of knownig all your movies need to be forced down other cultures throats in order for that country to be in the family of nations and not the axis of evil. By the way there are already way more hollywood movies in so call police state in china than any foreign movies in so call free and open US...forget the labels who really is more open?
by the way your analogy is incorrect. china is not banning evey foreign movie and replace with propaganda film...this is just propaganda by CNN. The analogy is more like you are reading the chinese media is critizing the US for censorship because they are not seeing you showing as much movies from china as they like...and they want to dictate to you that you need to show thse chinese movies right now,,,,otherwise obiously you are a police state...
Cant see why the US keeps China as their most favorable trade nation. Find another partner and bankrupt these clowns
Fareed! Please hire a copy editor who knows the difference between "everyday" and "every day." (It's an everyday mistake that is made every day.)
cant stand china, there the reason we have no jobs here,i say we boycott them, and there products, if you dont know how bad it is just go around you're home and see if the tag is still thee and see how many items in your home is made in china. i put up a fence in my back yard the galvanized steel pipes were from Vietnam, do you mean that we cannot build the same pipe here in america? guess not they shipped it from thousand miles away, that's why america is going to fail.
This shouldn't be a matter of the movies' merits. Any like censorship anywhere is fundamentally mendacious propaganda in the sense that it restricts the cognition of truth people can have. I mean, sure, Transformers may not withhold any particularly constructive veracity value, but its censorship is a small instance of a severe restriction of the a whole image that people in other countries are at liberty to enjoy. Such censorship is enabled to eliminate any contradictions or seeds of doubt against the CCP. If there is NOT P is suppressed, then there is only P for people to regard as "true." However P may not be entirely true, and anything that is not true–no matter its extremity–is false. That is why in the courts of the United States today, witnesses are to sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth before giving their testimony.
Just a minor's sentiment on this subject. Please feel free to point out any discrepancies in my logic. We're all learning, we're all here to read and think.
Obama, don't just bent down your knees in front of a visible deal!
the irony is that i can go to chinatown and get a bootleg of the movie right now
Chinese human rights abuse:
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I thought it was because the Chinese did not agree with the autobot's message.
Most American's don't see the hypocrisy in their views towards China. Yes China uses propoganda to affect and effect the belief of their supporters. They tell them over and over what to believe and what they should support etc. They tell them this so much that they feel comfortable hearing it from the Government. They like to hear a position that they already believe in and that they have heard repeatedly. If you were to question their belief, they would call you a traitor or worse. They would criticize your patriotism and you would end up supporting issues they you really don't understand because in the end you would be misinformed. Probably the most misinformed of all are those that only hear one side of a story.
Do you see a parallel between the communist party and Fox News in terms of the way they get their message across?
It's the identical rhetoric you are using. Criticize your opposition, the place yourself on a moral pedestal. Whatever happens, paint all Americans with one stroke, and praise communism as if it were penicillin.
Try visiting America sometime and meeting and listening to some Americans. Over here, if you question the government, that's standard operating procedure. And if I want the Chinese viewpoint on something, I can look at any Chinese website I can find: the US government doesn't block them.
Watch Animal Farm, then report back.
I have only one question,
WHY DO AMERICAN CARE ABOUT THIS
Because not everyone is as stupid as you.
ketchupisfun is as racist as they come.
Animal Farm: required viewing for Chinese and Americans both.
After the success of Crouching Tiger, HIdden Dragon, the US movie industry placed a moratorium on Chinese movies in the US. Disney even bought the rights to one popular Chinese movie, and then refused to release it in the US because they planned to release a similar movie. It is very hypocritical to criticize China for doing the exact same thing the US movie industry has done for years.
It's no wonder why we have tens of thousands of immigrants moving to the United States every year. They want to get as far away as possible from their communistic government......and I don't blame them.
I do not think the Chinese government is doing anything terribly different then the movie mongrels here in the States do to ensure larger profit.
I have got to see those two Chinese movies that were mentioned. I have noticed that quite a few Chinese made films that I have seen recently were AMAZING! and thought provoking, AND they often have some kind of historical lesson, and ALWAYS are a homage to the "superiority" of the Chinese people. Movies that celebrate the successes, either real or just hyped up propaganda, serve to stimulate national pride and unity. It makes sense that the Chinese gov't would rather their people watch something that helps to kindle that flame of patriotism in their hearts as well as guide it by "educating" their minds. What the HELL does some JIVE ASS TRANSFORMERS have to give the people but a few quick thrills and hard ons for whatever hot bimbo stars in the one playing at the time. Besides the 1986 cartoon Transformers the Movie was WAAAY better than any of these joke rip-off abominationss that have come out in the past several years. I mean, the MAIN ACTOR's last name means "The Beef".
It is ridiculous to see such a brainwashing movie from CCP to come into the U.S. Can you image that the Democrat or Republican in the U.S. make a similar movie and put it on in China? No! CCP will never allow that to happen in China, not even in your wildest dreams. China has taken biiiiiiig advantage of the freedom of speech we Americans enjoy here, look at some of the things we allow them to do in our country: this movie, the propaganda advertisement they put on the big screen at the New York's Time Square, the music Lang Lang played at the White House in front of Hu Jintao and President Obama ..... It's just so ridiculous! I thought those Chinese people won't be allowed to enter into the U.S. if they claim they are CCP members on the forms that they need to fill out and hand in when passing through the U.S. custom ... I thought communism was banned in our country.
Precisely. The Disney move was a business decision. It was not censorship. It was not a mandate of the White House, nor was it an act of Congress. It was the move a a publicly traded company. This is quite different from a dictatorship prohibiting not only the distribution, but also the content and possession of a film.
Transformer is merely a lengthy advertisement for cars. Why should Beijing treat it as first priority?
Exactly right. Michael Bay is nothing more than a b grade director who sold out to GM.
For conversation sake, I see at least one American in that movie, Daniel Wu. There's quite a few Canadian and American Chinese acting in Hong Kong and sometimes Chinese cinema. Brits and Aussies too.
a fair opinion, the Chinese movie deserve more than 2 of 10 by scouring, while Transformer3 really sucks.
Any way, it's extremely stupid to disable the scoring of this particular movie in China. It only raises anger in the people which is the government fears most.
take it easy, it's not a big deal, just a movie.. when can the Chinese government understand this?
If china and communism are so bad why are we buying stuff from them and bringing industry over there ? an other double standart ?
Interesting quote. I bet 60% of the items in your household are made in China. Who's the hypocrite now?
Come on you can't see the propaganda you have in your own films, think how many films have you seen recently without a gun or some kind of violence like a hit in the face that doesn't even make blush the face of the actor or is seen as a male joke when we all know that a hit like that will put somebody at the hospital and a month of painful recovery.
And if you think chinese have no money to go to the movies go and see the cia factbook it is open in the internet there you will see how many people is poor in China 15 millon in 1300 millons and in USA 15.8 millon in 300 millon understanding poor as somebody that earns less than 1.25 dollars per day
America puts so much violence in it's movies for one reason: movies without violence are boring and they suck.
Until we as a country start turning away Chinese goods as inferior and start taxing the hell out of companies that make everything in China, we may as well just concede to them.
Agree with the author, I can not understand why we allow such a brain-wash communist movie enter US? the bad human rights records of Red Chinese Regime should be known by everyone already!
Maybe China didn't let Transformers open in Chinese theaters, but they did allow another international movie, My Name is Khan, to open so at least that is something.
I want to see this Legend of the Rabbit movie now, sounds cute.
Moral of this story is China blows; the U.S. and Transformers RULE!!!
grow up.
Has anyone noticed how many people on here are complaining about the violence in American movies? I never knew that there were that many people opposed to being entertained.
I'm pretty sure you meant "paen" and not "pean." I don't know what a "pean" is.
Does the moratorium extend to the bootleg market as well? They’re seeing it – just not paying for it.
Boycott China:) It is possible!!! We do not buy made in China in my household!!!
Why the racism?
Not interested !! something without good meaning or good for the mind sorry..
Your by no means to old to start your Martial Arts Training, on the other hand you do have to don't forget at our age your body takes longer to recoup.
China wants their citizen to think the way that their leader are thinking.Leader don't want to put a any bad influence from foreign movies to their citizen.But they don't know Movies are only for fun......
Wow almost any single war movie made in the US, or any which need resources from the army is a propaganda movie. They are not going to let you run wild and toy with their tanks and helicopters to depict them negatively. You may not see it, but as a foreigner it is crystal clear. So stop bashing China for a 12M$ movie.
Why is everyone so obsessed with the new Transformers movie, especially after the past 2 train wrecks he directed? Michael Bay is a sellout and an embarrassment to America. All the 80's children who rave on how this movie 'changed their lives' and apparently don't ever want to grow up because they don't want to face reality need to take a good look at their lives.
THE WORLD NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT HOLLYWOOD MAKES THE BEST FILMS. INDIA IS OK ONCE IN AWHILE BUT EVERY YEAR HOLLYWOOD makes a hit. Hollywood makes more money. China kust need to face the fact that you cant be great AT EVERYTHING.
It's not about who is the best. It's about Fareed is not telling the truth. Transformer is not banned in China, instead it's going to be in theater next week. Why are you so defensive? For me French films are the best films. I'm not a big fan of VFX and Hollywood films in which the plots follow the same formula. Sorry!
If Fareed keeps making comments on China based not on the truth but on something else, he's going to lose credibility. It's kind of too obvious.
America should ban Hollywood films, too. Then maybe its dismal academic performance would rise to the lowest East Asian country.
Good for the Chinese! The American entertainment industry is wielded as an instrument of hegemony when unleashed abroad. For example, France, in order to receive aid via the Marshall plan, had to agree to show a certain number of American films. I'm American-raised and when I went back to my homeland during a summer in grade school, I was met by the vexing oddity of all of my cousins faithfully watching Friends every evening and listening to Lil' Kim. Go back to your shores Hollywood, I don't want you corrupting my culture.
变形金刚3马上就要在中国上映了， 之前是因为建党伟业害怕竞争所以推迟了变3的上映。
Transformers is delayed in China because of a propaganda movie but not banned , the author should do some homework
Is it weird that I feel like watching this Chinese movie?
Fareed, I believe that the most subversive message in Transformers for Chinese audiences is that the US can still TRANSFORM its auto manufacturing industry into part of the military industrial complex as it did in WWII
"the real message isn't about love, but politics"... whats wrong with this? isn't what american movie makers have been doing for decades. the chinesses have proven that they are "thinkers" such a movie will help them boost national pride and make them stronger as a nation, instead of octomus prime and his american government friends saving the world and so on.
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what the hell are u doin'?
i don't understnd why there is no report button in CNN
You have done a major service to the people of Corinth, may we all be awed at, wait a minute,, your a damn moron. I hope the people of Corinth hang you for making the entire people look as idiotic as you.
I love how Chinese expats criticize American propaganda while spouting Chinese propaganda. You can take the Chinese person out of the PRC, but you can't take the Communist Chinese brainwashing out of their heads.
A few things......
1) I am in Shanghai right now, there's adds for the propoganda film but all those American movies are still playing here. Harry Potter is playing here, Transformers is playing here, "The First Avenger" (Captain America) comes out this weekend. In major cinemas i mean.
So check your sources, because I can say first hand that you are wrong. Beijing maybe, since that city is much more govt controlled, but Shanghai and I;m sure Hong Kong have all those movies, on the same days, in major cinemas.
Donot pick on China too much CNN thank you!!
To be fair, America uses the media to censor our products. Just look at Duke Nukem. We were told it was the most politicaly incorrect thing since the last time Mel Gibson got waisted. Yet last month it was 2nd in sales, led by the same companies "LA Noire", which also isn't to politicly correct.
The difference is the Chinese seem to like being censored. Americans flip the finger and just buy it anyway
I'd much prefer to watch a video of Fareed Zakaria fingering his azz.
No that the Casey trial is over, what else can we watch to fill in our misery? Chinese crap or crap in 3D? I certainly have an interest to watch T3 but only for the special effects, I'm tring to remember the previous transformers movies and all I remember is a yellow car. Maybe the cloroform has affected my brain.
Lucky Chinese were spared losing $10 to see this horrible trash that was worse then the second movie.
Proves how smart the Chinese are. They saw the previous MICHAEL BAY films and don't want to see more garbage. This one was worse then the last two (believe it or not). He makes money, because he does not do character development, or tell a coherent story. Instead , he blows things up. Wow ,what a genius! T3 was awful (worse then Pearl Harbor, Armagedeon (sp), The Island) But its all about money. And he slams you over the head with product placement, ie, Mercedes AMG and Lenovo. After I spend 10 bucks to see the movie, that's not enough, I have to be subjected to pseudo commercials?
Hmm i hope you don't get offended with this question, but how much does a website like yours earn?
A really interesting article. I will continue to monitor it.
This has nothing to do with Chinese culture. China knows its people will just download/steal Transformers illegally online, so they block it to prevent Chinese money from buying something from outside of China.
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