July 14th, 2011
05:12 PM ET

Can Israel be a “Jewish State"?

Editor's Note: Eliott Abrams is a senior fellow for Middle East studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, from which this piece is reprinted. You can read Abrams' blog Pressure Points here.

By Elliot Abrams

Negotiations between Israel and the PLO have been stalled for many reasons, but a central issue is the Palestinian refusal to acknowledge Israel as a “Jewish state.”

The whole idea behind the partition of the Palestine Mandate in 1947 was, in the words of U.N. General Assembly resolution 181, the creation of an “Arab state” and a “Jewish state.” The Arab rejection of Israel as a Jewish state is in fact at the heart of the Middle East conflict. It is based on the widespread refusal to accept Israel as a permanent presence in the region, but is usually couched in more acceptable terminology — indeed, the language of “rights.”

As one news story put it, “Palestinian negotiators have recognized Israel’s right to exist, but not as a Jewish state, which officials say would prejudice the right of return for refugees and violate the rights of Israel’s non-Jewish residents.”

In other words, the argument is that if Israel is a “Jewish state” it will certainly, unavoidably, necessarily discriminate against non-Jews. The problem with this debating point is that those who use it apply it only to Israel; none ever voices any concern about states based on Islam and discriminating in favor of Muslims.

There are actually four states whose very name contains a religious reference: the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, and the Islamic Republic of Mauritania. But beyond those, in every Muslim-majority country the constitution asserts a special role for Islam. The Jordanian constitution says “Islam is the religion of the State” and of course “No person shall ascend the Throne unless he is a Moslem…of Moslem parents.” No converts!

But Jordan has a Christian minority that is five to eight percent of the population (Eastern Orthodox, Circassian, Melkite, and other sects).

Egypt is about ten or even fifteen percent Christian (Copts), but its current provisional constitution states that “Islam is the religion of the state….Principles of Islamic law (Shari’a) are the principal source of legislation.” Moreover, this is unlikely to change: presidential candidate Mohammad ElBaradei, viewed as a Westernized moderate, recently released his version of a new Egyptian constitution that similarly holds “Islam shall be the religion of the state….Sharia shall be the main source of legislation.”

The constitution of Malaysia states that “Islam is the religion of the Federation,” even though the country is only about sixty percent Muslim. It is roughly twenty percent Buddhist, ten percent Christian, and six percent Hindu, among other religions.

There are many similar examples. The religion of the state is Islam in Oman, Qatar, and Kuwait (where there are estimates that fifteen percent of the population is non-Muslim)—and one could lengthen the list. In Afghanistan, the constitution holds that “The sacred religion of Islam is the religion of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan” and “No law shall contravene the tenets and provisions of the holy religion of Islam in Afghanistan.” The president must be a Muslim. The Saudis go one further, refusing even to have a constitution: “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a sovereign Arab Islamic state with Islam as its religion; God’s Book and the Sunnah of His Prophet, God’s prayers and peace be upon him, are its constitution....”

It is worth adding that Muslim states are not alone in their religious ties. The constitution of Denmark, for example, states that “The Evangelical Lutheran Church shall be the Established Church of Denmark, and, as such, it shall be supported by the State,” and unsurprisingly “The King shall be a member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church.” Same for Norway: “The Evangelical-Lutheran religion shall remain the official religion of the State” and “The King shall at all times profess the Evangelical-Lutheran religion.” And of course, the Queen of England is “Defender of the Faith,” and the faith is Anglican Christianity.

So what?

So the usual arguments against the acknowledgement of Israel as a Jewish state are hypocritical and specious. Every Arab state is far more Islamic than the “Jewish state” of Israel is Jewish; to take one example, Israel imposes no religious test for the offices of president or prime minister. Moreover, the treatment of religious minorities is far better than in the Muslim states, as the flat ban on building even a single church in Saudi Arabia and the repeated violence against Christians in Egypt and Pakistan remind us.

If some secular professor maintains that all states should be devoid of religious identity, fair enough; that is a principled argument. But when Arab political leaders say they will never acknowledge Israel as a Jewish state, that isn’t an argument at all. It is a reminder of their continuing refusal to make peace with the Jewish state and with the very idea that the Jews can have a state in what they view as the Dar al-Islam.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of Elliot Abrams. For more, visit his blog Pressure Points.

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  1. Thinker23

    Israel is a Jewish State.

    July 14, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Reply
    • j. von hettlingen

      Exactly! Ijust don't understand what the author tried to achieve with this provocative, anti-Palestinian article.
      Israel is a secular und multi-ethnic state. Although Judaism is practised, not all citizens in Israel are white and Ashkenazis. There are also those of sephardic ancestry. Not to forget the Palestinians, who also are citizens of Israel. Israel should be the role model in the region as a melting-pot for cultures, ethnies and reglions.

      July 15, 2011 at 6:12 am | Reply
      • Mike

        Palestinians are not recognized as citizens of Israel.

        July 15, 2011 at 10:58 pm |
      • Peikovian

        Neither are other Nazi collaborators.

        July 16, 2011 at 2:15 am |
      • Thinker23

        "Palestinians are not recognized as citizens of Israel".

        Well, it depends how you define the Palestinians. If you believe that the Palestinians are citizens of the two Arab quasi-states in Gaa and the West Bank then they're not recognized as citizens of Israel. On the other hand, Israelis are not recognized as citizens Gaza, West Bank or any other Arab state in the area. SO???

        July 16, 2011 at 7:12 am |
    • Zulfiqar Ali Khan

      As a Muslim I wish Israel to survive and live in peace within the neighborhood of Palestine.........Israel must to it's pre 1967 borders as they cannot hold these terroritories for good otherwise one day they will be wiped off the world map... They are depending too much on USA and USA imperalism is gonna collapse very soon...........The sooner they go back , the better for them........

      July 16, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Reply
      • Peikovian

        Almost sounds reasonable... except for the anti-USA sentiments, which reveal the post as more propaganda. In the land-grab that created Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, Israel and Gaza out of the former Turkish provinces, which "national" boundaries seem fair or historic or defensible? All of these states are 20th Century inventions. Having defended themselves against numerous would-be invaders, why shouldn't the Israelis insist on secure borders within the territories they now control? Muslim dislike for non-Muslims has never been more fierce.

        July 16, 2011 at 4:21 pm |
      • Thinker23

        The so-called "1967 borders" never were intended to be state borders, never actually were borders and never were recognized as borders by any state. As a matter of fact they were cease fire lines between Israel and the Arab state established 62 years ago, in 1949. Insisting on "going back to 1967 borders" is, therefore, equivalent to insisting on traveling 63 years back in time, something that is not possible at the current level of technology. This means that the Palestinians and their supporters MUST return back to real world and realize that the borders between Israel and the future Palestinian state will be NEGOTIATED when the Palestinians will produce leadership that will be ABLE AND WILLING to negotiate a peace agreement.

        July 16, 2011 at 9:25 pm |
      • Don Rosenberg

        As an American Jew, I would like to see the muslilms go back to their original country called arabia, otherwise they may
        be wiped off the face of the earth. mr. khan, learn true history, not the muslim lies and propaganda. The racism the arab muslims teach will eventually destroy them. You can see what they contribute to humanity, NOTHING !!!!!1

        July 25, 2011 at 5:55 pm |
    • Robin Rosenblatt

      Please read: If one looks at the Middle East conflict as a cultural war everything makes sense. If it was about land, rights or settlements it would have been solved long ago, is not it is Cultural War.
      Professor Philip Salzman from McGill University book Culture and Conflict.
      In short their Middle East horizontal culture is in conflict with our vertical culture. This book must be read ASAP by everyone and discussed. A Cultural War is complex, those invading and those invaded do not realize what happening until it is to late.

      July 17, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Reply
  2. Peikovian

    There are 1.4 billion Muslims as the majority of 47 nations, and 14 million Jews (followers of the religion of Judaism) as the majority in 1 nation. There are 300 million Arabs as the majority in 22 Arab League nations, and 6 million Jews (descendants of the ancient Judeans) as the majority in Israel. Arabs and Judeans are both semitic groups, but Arabs control 8 out of 12 OPEC members and Israel has no oil. Anything that can be said about Israel's imperial ambitions is absurd. Israel is a republic surrounded by kings, warlords, mystics, presidents-for-life, and tribal elders of the most grotesque and medieval varieties.

    In the century-long wrangling over how to divide Turkish Greater Syria into the modern states of Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Israel, the territories of Gaza and the West Bank have disappeared into Egypt and Jordan, respectively, for twenty years (1948-1967) and were never missed by "Palestinians" as long as Muslims ruled those territories. It's doubtful there would be talk of a Palestine now without Israel having captured those territories in 1967 and the revelation after-the-fact of a distinct Arab Muslim culture that hadn't existed previously. What is distinctive about the culture is its religious bias, as it refuses to be ruled by Jews.

    Of course there can be a "Jewish state". It is the equivalent of every other state in the world. What disturbs some people and their political factions about Israel is that there are so many Jews there. This would have been without an Israel, but with an Israel, those Jews have what other states have, the power of self-defense.

    July 14, 2011 at 6:42 pm | Reply
    • Serenade

      How dare you! How dare you speak such sense! Where do you get off using logic and common sense to defend yourself? You should be ashamed that you needed to refer to such thing in these debates, where is your sense of righteousness! ( not srs)

      July 16, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Reply
  3. Onesmallvoice

    Like it or not, the modern state of Israel was founded by Jewish "terrorists" back in the 1940's. Finally in 1947, the British found ir wise not to countinue fighting these "terrorists" under the leadership of Prime Minister Clement Atlee so they wisely turned the affair over to the U.N. who in turn granted the Israelis their independence in 1948. Under Prime Minister Churchill, however, it would have been a completely different story!

    July 14, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Reply
    • mick

      So is the word "terrorist" in scare quotes because it is a real accusation, or are you trying to downplay and accuse at the same time like you would for the Nazi comparison?

      July 14, 2011 at 8:12 pm | Reply
    • Serenade

      That's not the full story and you know it, Jews came to Israel to escape Nazi oppression and the natives on Palestine tried to kill the Jews as they did not worship Allah. The Jews then fled to cities like Haifa and Tel Aviv, where they built a strong society and the Arab cities continued to age and grow grey.
      It was no a terrorist organization, but rather a neighborhood watch of people who came with brilliant minds and constructed a country from the sands depending on nothing but their own desires to create a home.

      July 16, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Reply
      • SAWolf

        Tel Aviv was swampland before the Jews drained the swamps and built a metropolis.

        August 11, 2011 at 10:07 pm |
  4. Thinker23

    Onesmallvoice: I'm sorry to disappoint you but the State of Israel was founded by the PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. Just like every other state on this planet. The United Nations Organization did not and does not have the authority or power to create states or to grant them independence.

    July 14, 2011 at 7:55 pm | Reply
    • Onesmallvoice

      The way the right-wing thugs in Washington use the word "terrorist" today could also have been used by the British 200 years ago in refering to our founding fathers like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin. As in the case of Israel, independence didn't come peacefully to the United States,either. Both countries had to fight for it as the British never gave anything to anybody for free!!!

      July 14, 2011 at 11:41 pm | Reply
      • Thinker23

        You will be pressed VERY HARD to name a country where independence came PEACEFULLY. Each and every state on this planet got its independence through wars and revolutions, Israel was no exception. This being said, however, I'd recommend you to start using the definition of terrorism below and you'll never confuse terrorism with anything else:

        TERRORISM IS DELIBERATE ATTACKING OF NON-COMBATANTS WITH POLITICAL GOALS.

        July 15, 2011 at 5:43 am |
      • Serenade

        Comparing enlightenment thinkers and scholars to terrorists?

        July 16, 2011 at 2:02 pm |
    • Did Thinker23 take his meds?

      True, most countries on this planet came to be through militiristic means.
      But really? Hard pressed to find ones that didn't- you don't mean like
      -Czech Republic
      -Slovakia
      -Slovineia
      -Latvia
      -Estonia
      -San Marino
      -Andorra
      -Bhutan
      -and Canada
      More important is your simpleton definition of terorism, I think Websters disagrees abit,
      ter·ror·ism noun \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\

      Definition of TERRORISM
      : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

      July 16, 2011 at 2:00 am | Reply
      • Thinker23

        Some of us need medictions to realize that the Czech Republic and Slovakia are two parts of the same country named Czechoslovakia. For most of us, however, it's part of basic education. Czhechoslovakia became independent as a result of WWI and disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Similarly, Latvia and Estonia became independent as a result of the same WWI and the following (very bloody) revolution in Russia. I can continue but the point should be clear, GET A CLUE... And I honestly believe that MY definition of terrorism is better than the one of Webster's. Have a nice day!

        July 16, 2011 at 7:25 am |
      • Serenade

        Umm, did you fail high school history or something? You're really just sounding silly now.

        July 16, 2011 at 2:04 pm |
  5. Joel Glick

    Elliot Abrams totally misses the point: Israel, like any other state, has every right to define itself anyway it chooses. That is not the question at hand. If Israel wants define itself as a Jewish people's democratic limited monarchy, it can do so. It can define itself as anything it wants to. However, other states are under no obligation whatsoever to recognize it as anything other than a sovereign, independent state. The United States recognizes the People's Republic of China, but it doesn't recognize it as a "workers' and peasants' state under the leadership of the industrial proletariat,' even though it defines itself as such (or at least it used to). Israel has never demanded that other states recognize it as a "Jewish state." So why, all of a sudden, do the leaders of Israel insist that the Palestinians recognize Israel as such? Do they expect the Palestinians to become Zionists? Is that a reasonable demand? No, it isn't. The unprecedented demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a "Jewish state" is nothing more than a thinly-veiled justification to avoid a two-state peace settlement with the Palestinians.

    July 14, 2011 at 8:09 pm | Reply
    • Moritz

      No.

      The author of this article makes only 1 mistake: he looks at Jews and Jewish as a religion only.
      One can be a Jew without being religious. Jews first refer to nationality, ethnicity. My Jews in Israel are not religious.
      But Jews have something unique: most of national, ethnic Jewish celebrations are also religious Jewish celebrations, because the history of Jews as a people closely intertwines with the development of Judaism. In Israel, with the exception of 3 national holidays only, all the other are both national and religious. In other words a Jew can be non-religious or practice Judaism. A Christian Jew or a Muslim Jew is something that some people have tried to introduce, but doe snot make sense.
      Now here are some definitions to make everything clear
      - France/Germany is the country of the French/German people, namely where French/Germans are the majority.
      - Iran is the country of the Iranian people, namely where Iranians ("Persians") are the majority. Obviously in this country an Iranian can only be Muslim. The many Iranian Jews who lived there were persecuted.
      - Israel is the country of the Jewish people (Jews as nationality, ethnicity first, and religion second), namely the country where Jews are the majority. Please, notice: "the majority", not 100%, but less than 100%.
      - Palestine shall be the country of the Arab Palestinian people, namely where Palestinians are the majority.
      Now, you don't want Jews to have a country (= the place where they are the majority), then you and others like you have a problem. Find a cure !

      July 14, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Reply
  6. Peikovian

    Can the Czech Republic have a majority of Czechs? By definition it must. Any Old World country has a majority with a common language, ethnicity, culture, but whether or not an individual chooses to practice the majority religion is always suspect. If the Jews in Israel had taken the name Judah or Judea for their nation to reaffirm its historical roots in that land it might be more obvious, except that these are now synonymous with the West Bank. Israel is as close as it gets.

    July 15, 2011 at 1:11 am | Reply
  7. Thinker23

    Peikovian
    Can the Czech Republic have a majority of Czechs? By definition it must.

    Now we may recall that the majority of Jordanian citizens are... Palestinians.

    July 15, 2011 at 5:50 am | Reply
  8. AbeBird

    Israel is already a Jewish state, meaning that Israel is the national state of the Jewish people. The Palestinian Arabs should recognize that fact in accomplishment to the fact that Israel had already accepted the Palestinian demand to create a Palestinian state for the Arabs in the land of Israel. Any Palestinian dismissal of that demand shows that they are remaining in their "stages policy" status of activity. It is essentially needed to have the Palestinians accepting that Israeli demand because the fighting between both sides is about the same assents, property and soil.

    July 15, 2011 at 10:32 am | Reply
  9. Weinberg

    Israel didn't exist before 1948. When will we understand that people don't care about the arbitrary lines drawn on a map after a war where millions were displaced?

    July 15, 2011 at 1:19 pm | Reply
    • Mycology

      Israel did exist before 1948.

      And does your figure of "millions displace" include the larger # of a million jews displaced (ethnically cleansed) from their homes in the muslim world? Or does it only include the smaller figure of about 600,000 "palestinians" – most of whom willingly abanoned their homes anticipating an arab slaughter of the jews.

      July 15, 2011 at 2:48 pm | Reply
      • Peikovian

        Atlantis and Brigadoon and the Holy Land are magic, and Palestine must be magic too, because it was a region of Syria until it became separate 90 years ago, and it was divided between Israel and Egypt and Jordan for a generation, and yet no Palestinians noticed it was missing. Was their unique culture lost? There was no unique culture. A half-dozen states in the region have the same culture, with arbitrary boundaries. It's just a few more kilometers this-way-or-that-way. Being "Palestinian" therefore means being opposed to rule by non-Muslims. Dislike for the dhimmi, and WW2 alliances with the Nazis, is why the UN didn't rush to acknowledge a separate Palestine in 1948.

        July 15, 2011 at 3:37 pm |
    • Thinker23

      "When will we understand that people don't care about the arbitrary lines drawn on a map after a war where millions were displaced?"

      When will YOU understand that people DO care about STATE BORDERS? When will YOU understand that the war between Israel and the Arabs still continues?when will YOU understand that as long as the Arabs are willing the war to continue it will continue and more Arabs will be killed and, possibly, displaced? When will YOU understand that when the war will, finally, end a PEACE AGREEMENT will be signed and this future peace agreement will define the exact borders between Israel and the neighboring states?

      July 15, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Reply
  10. Mycology

    This was an excellent article, to the point and NAILED IT. I applaud the author and hope to read more by him. God Bless Israel continue to make her flourish, and defend her from her enemies.

    July 15, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  11. Mike

    Israel is an apartheid state and the world should treat them as such.

    July 15, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Reply
    • Peikovian

      The Nazi/Jihad alliance is as old as the 1930s and it has its hillbilly cousins.

      July 16, 2011 at 2:14 am | Reply
  12. Thinker23

    Mike: WHAT IS 'APARTHEID'?

    July 16, 2011 at 7:29 am | Reply
  13. Rob M

    Israel "We are jewish!"
    Palestine "No your not!"
    Israel "Yes we are!"
    Palestine "Nuh uh!"

    July 16, 2011 at 11:41 am | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Well... and your point was?

      July 16, 2011 at 11:51 am | Reply
      • Rob M

        Whats the point of article would be my point.

        July 16, 2011 at 11:52 am |
    • RacistJews

      There are lots of non Jews living in Israel – since the dawn of man, always have been, and always will be.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:27 pm | Reply
      • Peikovian

        Twenty percent of Israel is Muslim. Some are members of the government. Tell me about the nearby Muslim states that have a twenty percent Jewish population, or even have an elected government. Man, you are one hard-core lunatic bigot. Go out into the woods, dance around the campfire, and have a hunting accident, why don't you.

        July 16, 2011 at 1:38 pm |
  14. Expata

    Why do we hate the jews so much, yes they are horrible self serving people and very dis respectful, I'm in sales and the jews are the worst clients to deal with but when they buy something they are 100% different, you actually see their nice side, just too bad they have to wait to show it

    July 16, 2011 at 11:51 am | Reply
    • Peikovian

      There's an old joke, "Antisemitism is hating the Jews more than is necessary." So go ahead and enjoy your hate. It's in the blood of Western Civilization, it was taught for centuries, and you are infected. But in America if you try to act on your impulses, I'm sure a trial would acquit the guy who defends himself.

      July 16, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Reply
    • RacistJews

      You saw what happened to them in Germany when they tried pulling their crap there, huh?

      July 16, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
      • Peikovian

        Seems that the US Army rolled into Berlin, and the blondes were sleeping with GIs for nylons and candy bars.

        July 16, 2011 at 1:39 pm |
  15. RacistJews

    Racism is a human rights violation for every country in the world except for Israel. It's ok for Jews to be racist.

    July 16, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Reply
    • Peikovian

      The Nazi/Jihad force is strong with you. I see your anti-Jewish propaganda for what it is, and reject it for what it is.

      Question: Is it possible for Jews to be citizens of a "Muslim state"? Answer: No. One million Jews fled the Muslim states of North Africa and the Near East because they were attacked, losing homes and property. Communities dating back hundreds or even thousands of years were destroyed. There are only a few dozen Jews left in Syria Most of the Jewish expats now live in Israel. Care to address that issue? I'll bet you don't, Grand Mufti of Berlin.

      July 16, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      RacistJews: Racism is a human rights violation for every country in the world except for Israel. It's ok for Jews to be racist.

      Can you elaborate on this a bit? WHICH HUMAN RIGHTS are violated by Jews in Israel?

      July 16, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Reply
  16. Peikovian

    TODAY IN JIHAD: The forecast calls for worldwide war, with more attacks on civilians, more confusion, more denials, more lies, more evasion. Minor chance of traditional Nazi/KKK participation if time permits. This evening: propaganda.

    July 16, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Reply
  17. Roland

    I think it's just an excuse to avoid settling the borders of the "Jewish state" and the Palestinian state.It would be fine if this was a condition that came once the borders are settled but what Israel is doing is putting it as a precondition for peace talks.In other words soon we will get new demands that could be anything to postpone the withdrawing of Israeli soldiers and settlers from the occupied territories and creating the Palestinian state.

    July 16, 2011 at 1:56 pm | Reply
    • Peikovian

      Israel is bordered by anti-republic forces and has been under siege for decades. Wars were forced forced upon them, they won, they have control over these territories. Why shouldn't they set the preconditions necessary for their own survival? It's what any nation would do.

      July 16, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Reply
  18. Peikovian

    According to the Jihad Dictionary, "Terrorism" means whenever a Jew defends himself, and "Activism" means whenever a racist madman acts out in support of an anti-Jewish police state, whether by force, by funding, by protest theater, or by the kind of agit-prop we read on CNN. Traditional Christian hatred for the Jews, which reached its peak in 20th Century European police state regimes, was admired by certain Arab Muslims, and adopted as a form of government through their region. Can Israelis resist this? Yes. Can Arab nations evolve? Not likely. But if our hillbilly philosophers want to pretend they're being fair to Palestinians, it's another delusion.

    July 16, 2011 at 3:07 pm | Reply
  19. Peikovian

    By the way, how many people were beheaded in Africa last year? Or in Central Asia? Or the Philippines? Jihadists use a strange method to determine which sanitation company bribes which government in Ramallah, don't you think?

    July 16, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Reply
  20. Smity

    both sides are wrong cmon ppl you dont have to be hating on judaism or islam because of their problems.. islam has radical terrorists that not only kill jews/christians but also fellow muslims and for israel, they should have their own country but should give the palestianians at leas the whole of the west bank and end that blockade in gaza im not taking sides but just end hating on each other based on religion

    July 17, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Smity: ...and for israel, they should have their own country but should give the palestianians at leas the whole of the west bank and end that blockade in gaza...

      Well, a sovereign independent state was offered to Palestinian Arabs in 1948, 1967, 1978, 2000, 2001, 2005, 2009 and they've REFUSED it every single time. In August, 2000 Israel offered them peace, 95% of the West Bank and 100% of Gaza. In 2001 Israel made an even better offer including 98% of the West Bank and sovereignty over East Jerusalem. Israel can OFFER them peace and a state but it can not shove it into the Palestinian collective throat against their will. In 2005 Israel UNILATERALLY

      July 17, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      (cont.) In 2005 Israel UNILATERALLY withdrew from Gaza and the Palestinians immediately started bombarding Israel with mortars, rockets and other types of bombs. In response Israel closed its borders with Gaza, the least it could do to protect its citizens and its territory. This closure of Israeli borders you demand to "end" now. Do you realize that the alternative to closing Israeli borders is a large scale military operation in Gaza that will continue until the Palestinians will ask (or, rather, BEG) for peace? Are you sure that THIS is what you want, Smity?

      July 17, 2011 at 7:33 pm | Reply
    • Notislam

      islam doesn't even pass the religion test. All religion is stupid, but islam is violent and dangerous. islam is no better than a violent street gang and we have managed to ban those. islam itself is a crime against humanity.

      July 18, 2011 at 8:09 am | Reply
  21. Peikovian

    Nearly four dozen states with a Muslim majority, almost a dozen under sharia. Can there be a Muslim state? Obviously. Anyone care to challenge their right to one? Then why the controversy over anyone else's country, especially Israel, when most Israelis aren't relgious?

    July 18, 2011 at 3:02 am | Reply
  22. Notislam

    islam, nazism and communism are humanity's worst ideas. islam is the worst of the three. islam must be opposed wherever it festers. islam is an abomination to humanity. islam is vile.

    July 18, 2011 at 8:07 am | Reply
  23. mm

    The Queen isn't English because her mother was English. Abrams evades the topic of blood as an identifier but isolates the topic exclusively as a 'faith' issue. The Queen has Irish and German blood. Show me a ruler of Israel who is Arab or Persian.

    July 19, 2011 at 12:38 am | Reply
  24. RM

    It can certainly be a muslim state in the midst of the Arabs.

    July 19, 2011 at 9:23 pm | Reply
  25. José Carlos Gaspar

    Se Israel é uma ficção criada pela estratégia americana que o sustenta até hoje, então, como poderá sobreviver sem a mesada? Outro fator é que nenhum estado religioso sobreviveu na história, pois a política é eminentemente racional e não há espaço para fé na política, senão a das lideranças religiosas.

    July 19, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Reply
  26. andrea browne

    Its too bad that every time something like the Jewish Defense League, or some other organization that takes self protection seriously in countries outside of Israel, tries to organize to fight some of these anti-semites, Rabbis and other leaders condemn them. What has non-violence gotten us? We are easy targets for this continuing hatred by jerks who hate Jews, but worship a Jew named Jesus. How much more stupid can they get. Untill Jews start self defending in places like France, everywhere, the haters will keep it up.

    January 28, 2012 at 2:32 am | Reply

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