August 3rd, 2011
02:15 PM ET

Why did Pakistan's spy chief make a secret trip to China?

By Ishaan Tharoor, Global Spin

Reports reveal Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, head of Pakistan's main military intelligence agency, the ISI, flew on a secret mission to Beijing for urgent talks this Monday. The visit followed swiftly on the heels of yet another round of diplomatic squabbling between Washington and Islamabad.

During a heated summer of disputes, tensions between the ISI and the CIA flared most recently over the alleged Pakistani harassment of American officials stationed in the country. Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance — a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties.

A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.

After all, China claimed this week that Islamist militants trained in Pakistan were behind a violent attack in the far western city of Kashgar that killed at least 14 and injured dozens more. Like the U.S., perhaps the Chinese are now also frustrated at the dangers Pakistan has long let take root on its soil.

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  1. Zohaib

    Ah, boy. Americans and their jealously

    August 3, 2011 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • j. von hettlingen

      Jealousy? Are you serious? I don't think Pasha was making a goodwill tour in China. If so, Zardari or Gilani would have gone instead. I suspect the Chinese are concerned about the spread of Jihadism and Islamic extremism on their soil. Pasha was summoned to Beijing, but Islamabad wanted to make the trip look cordial.

      August 3, 2011 at 3:27 pm | Reply
      • Jazz

        @ j. von hettlingen, No, Chinese are concerned and found the fact that incidents like Kasghar are supported by C IA, thats why Pasha was there as...its time to see and celebrate the big White Elephant going down in couple of moths ... Long Live China

        August 4, 2011 at 8:35 pm |
      • andrea

        Friends in China have said they are also having problems with extremist Muslims.Time for US to focus on home.Change our way of living firstly by getting back to being innovative, so we can avoid the need for as much oil, we are almost there..hey rich innovative Americans-job creation. Pull American Industries/Businesses out of countries like China and bring our jobs home. Be more patriotic and quit thinking about big bucks via cheap labor, and think about giving your country jobs. Find ways to save money HERE. Let other countries handle their own problems, then they will complain because we arent helping. And we will tell them," democracy allows for all voices to be heard, you either want it or you dont. We had to achieve ours the hard way, and you may have to also. We wish you well."

        August 5, 2011 at 1:27 am |
    • MARCEI

      yeah !, more immigrants from china to pakistan !

      August 4, 2011 at 11:50 am | Reply
      • Laci

        Yes, send all Jihadist sucker rats to China !!! OHHHHHHHHHHH YEAH !!

        August 4, 2011 at 4:50 pm |
      • Choco monster

        He looks like a day laborer from Lowes.

        August 5, 2011 at 1:19 am |
    • U2ovrUs

      Oh, man...Pakistanis and their treachery...

      August 4, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Reply




        August 4, 2011 at 7:32 pm |
      • Prettygal

        If some of Pakistan's "Jihadi" bugs rub off on China–would it not be a fitting reward, for China having "aided" Pakistan?
        Get out your bug spray!

        August 4, 2011 at 9:40 pm |
      • Arman Yousafzai in Mingora,Swat, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (NWFP)

        hey you, yes the black hanuman-faced bhaRATis trying to pass as a Pakistani.

        You ugly black hanuman-faced HIV infected dravidians should keep saying "HUMARE LUND HAI CHOTTE"....because it certainly is shown by this video.....


        I don't care how big your gaand is. I won't ever touch a bhaRATi gaand as you black hanuman-faced bhaRATis are ugly and you have more HIV infected people than any other country in the world.

        August 4, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
    • @tahir

      Jealousy? At who, Pak? Surely you are smoking something. Pak is a $!ut in trying to get in bed for moolah. Who'd be jealous of that?

      August 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    • RM

      @Zohaib is right on. The has been global power (USA) trying to muscle THE Pakistan. While the bhungee Indians cheering's Johnnyyyy!!

      August 4, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Reply
    • Arman Yousafzai in Mingora, Swat, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa

      He's not an American, he another black dravidian hanuman-faced HIV infected bhaRATi ramrams who loves to drink gau jal and swim in the excrement infested ganga like these blackrams here.....


      August 4, 2011 at 6:29 pm | Reply
      • Huan


        HA HA HA See who is doing whos mother now. And yeah also who looks like RAT

        August 5, 2011 at 12:10 am |
      • Huan


        The most perverted people of all human kind. Shut the F up and go to hell. Stop defiling forums where sensible people come to communicate and share thoughts. I have seen same comment from you in almost every forum associated with news from the subcontinent. Get a life and get out of here if you do not have anything valuable to add ti the discussion. I did not wnat to stoop down to your level, but only a person like you can force me to.

        August 5, 2011 at 12:21 am |
      • Arman Yousafzai in Mingora,Swat, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (NWFP)


        you black hanuman-faced bhaRATis would know about animal p0rn as in your bhaRAT, you blackrams like £uck dogs.

        like this guy did for example.....


        JAI HIND!

        August 5, 2011 at 3:39 am |
      • Lee S

        Hey moron. Everyone knows that Pakistan and India are not separated by anything but a slight geographical difference. As far as the population is concerned, you were all Indians 60 years ago. I dont see how that makes Pakistanis much different. But Im sure youd live to tell us why you are so superior? Is it because of your belief of one invisible man instead of multiple? HAHAH

        August 5, 2011 at 10:11 am |
      • MooHamhead


        August 11, 2011 at 5:23 am |
      • MooHamhead


        August 11, 2011 at 5:28 am |
    • Prettygal

      So, the Terrorist-in-Chief is visiting the "Dark Empire, (his overlord?)

      August 4, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Reply
    • Joe M.

      China can easily swallow Pakistan the way it swallowed Manchuria and Tibet.

      August 4, 2011 at 11:22 pm | Reply
      • Joe M.

        Then after taking Pakistan, Iran is next on the list for China to swallow and BINGO, China can take the entire middle east.

        August 5, 2011 at 12:42 am |
      • sssadfw

        it seems you have no clue on histroy, did you give back to your teacher

        August 5, 2011 at 1:49 am |
      • Lee S

        Why do that? The more important shipping lanes are southeast of them, not to mention they would be close to India and vulnerable to attack by them.

        August 5, 2011 at 10:12 am |
    • Chuck

      Pakistan has the worst case of "little man syndrome". They spend 200% of their time trying to save face rather than dealing with initial problems as they arise. They spend all day putting out fires without any time at all spent on fire prevention. The government, military and citizens are all on different pages, with one being more extreme than the next.

      August 5, 2011 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • mo ham head
      August 7, 2011 at 4:33 am | Reply
    • mo ham head


      August 7, 2011 at 5:18 am | Reply
    • paki


      August 7, 2011 at 5:25 am | Reply
  2. RAJ

    Let China have close friedship with Pakistan and support them and we should thanks China for this. USA spend billions of dollars on Pakistan and they still hate USA. Let us get rid of Pakistan burden permanently and let China have it. Pakistan is harbouring terrorist, supporting them and training them in various terrorist camps. Pakistan is the birthplace of terrorist supported by ISI. China is having problem on there southern border due to some of this terrorist and China will also avoid Pakistan in sooner or later when they will also come to know that having relatioinship with Pakistan is more of a burnden.

    August 3, 2011 at 2:45 pm | Reply
    • Yakobi.

      The USA should have sided with India decades ago in its righteous struggle against Pakistan aggression.

      August 4, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Reply
      • ronny

        I read a different version of the events tbat happened from 1947 (the year India became independent) to mid sixties.
        The US was pressuring India to side with the West against the USSR. But India did not want to take sides in the cold war. Then India and Yugoslavia started the League of Non-aligned nations. This upset the West. However, the Paki generals saw an opportunity to make money and get weapons from the US. They overthrew the civilian govt. of Pakistan (with a little help from the CIA ofcourse) and sided with the West. The US then supplied Sabre jets and Patton tanks to Pakistan with the idea of intimidating India which did not have any modern weaponry at that time. However, India did not care. The US then instigated Pakistan to attack India in 1965. To make this story short, Indira Gandhi who became the prime minister of India a few years later signed a friendship[ treaty with the Soviet Union. The chief reason behind this was to get advanced weaponry and support in the security council from the Soviets.

        August 4, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
      • lizakowalski

        Pakistan got screwed over by the US many times over.

        Pakistan was with the US while India was with Russia in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
        Pakistan built the fighter squads in Afghanistan and raising fighters to fight the Russians at the US's command.
        Pakistan lost more to terrorism than any other nation to date!
        40,000 Pakitani civilians and 10,000 soldiers died from terrorism since the so called "War on terror" started.
        And now it's all falling apart. Russia is to blame for invading Afghanistan to enforce their Godless Communism.
        And now the situation has come to this.

        August 4, 2011 at 6:09 pm |

      happy aug chodha to all pakies ... lil c0ck pakies and no c0ck chinks .. have fun ... new salwaar for men and black tents for women

      August 4, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
      • AK

        LOL..That is hilarious.

        August 4, 2011 at 1:27 pm |
      • Uzair

        Check this out, this for you Indians, also you look good while sucking Sihva lungum

        August 4, 2011 at 1:56 pm |
      • Dss

        August 4, 2011 at 2:08 pm |
      • sasa


        August 4, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
      • ravan_nay_choda_sita_ko

        Well it is a scientific fact that hindus have the world's smallest c0cks.
        Condoms from Europe and America are too large for lil nano dicked hindus. 🙂 awwww

        August 4, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
    • U2ovrUs

      Yakobi, decades ago (4 maybe 5) India (and Nehru) were in bed with the USSR because Russia wanted an ally in case
      their border spat with China (+/- 1960) got too hot, and India needed a friend in the event that India's border squabble with China got out of hand. It would have been extremely awkward for the U. S. to be seen as "taking sides" with a "friend" of the Soviets about anything. Pakistan is not to be trusted at all, and the Chinese will probably find that out soon enough. For that matter, China shouldn't be trusted either...

      August 4, 2011 at 12:36 pm | Reply
    • sam

      there is a reason of hateness, USA also admitted that they made some mistakes in the past such thing take time to sortout you can't change the ppl mind in one day, regarding your terrorism view, well wikileaks has exposed India involved in such thing they are funding some groups in Pakistan for terrorism, you can refer wikileaks website for it,

      August 4, 2011 at 12:38 pm | Reply

        Well, referring to those wikileaks I would urge you to search in google or so, in the recent news (may be past 2 or 3 weeks) it was determined that the wikileaks website got breached and was forged by Pakistan's ISI to blame those terrorist groups funding by India. Don't trust this, google and see it for yourself and check your facts !!!

        August 4, 2011 at 1:02 pm |
      • U2ovrUs

        what makes you think that you're going to find "truth" with Google? and Wilileaks? You gonna believe a slug like Asange
        and his band of thieves? Not me...

        August 4, 2011 at 1:50 pm |
    • MZZM

      Who did the last attack in Mumbai? Who did the last attach in Olso? who did the shooting in Arizona? Pakistanis?

      August 4, 2011 at 1:07 pm | Reply
      • sam

        who played the game in 1971? India, who killed the 1000's of innocent ppl in kashmir? India, who were funding tamil tigers in Srilanka? India, who fired the Samjoda express resulting killing many innocent people? India.

        August 4, 2011 at 1:23 pm |
    • jon

      why do occupy muslim land? what do u think peole are going to greet you with flowers if you occupy thier homes?

      August 4, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Reply
    • Dinesh Chaudhry

      Americans are smart,they know that China is supplying arms and financial aid to the Talibans in Afganistan not pakistan, Pakistan has no money. Yes Pakistan spends lots of its American Aid money to buy AK 47 s from China,these guns are used to kill our American men and woman in uniform serving in Afganistan and Pakistan.Pakistan Should be left alone and isolated to solve all the the problems.

      August 4, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Reply
      • Salam!

        Salam to Everybody! I am a muslim girl from Uzbekistan! A nuetral country! Initially I want to say that I love Pakistan as well as India! Both countries are great with the wealthiness of their culture, history and characteristics! However there are some people who judge with misunderstanding the politics etc. May be I am wrong as i have not experienced the feelings of what you have! But anyway look around to what are we becoming! The way to solve the problems is not the violence! I have read every thing what you have wrote! Please, stop this! I love each of you! I believe you can save the humanity! I just want to save the world and want each nation live in a peace and love! Thank for your attention! I believe in YOU! And you love me too! 🙂

        August 5, 2011 at 1:51 am |
    • RM

      Turn around RAJ and bend down. Ganesh is coming with his snout for a colonoscopy.

      August 4, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Reply
      • TrueIndian1

        RM, you seem very angry towards Indian gods. What happened? Did Mohammed give you a very rough prostate exam this time?

        August 4, 2011 at 4:02 pm |
      • RM

        @TrueIndian1...You got it wrong. Bapu Gandhi is on his way with his stick to give you one...obviously with some garam masala. Enjoy!

        August 4, 2011 at 4:12 pm |
      • PASHA

        RM .... and... Bapu's goat has the hot's for you- bend over pal, now's your chance to see some action.

        August 4, 2011 at 4:48 pm |
  3. Rocker Malik

    Allies or axis of evil incl. China, Pakistan, Libya, Burma, N Korea, Cuba, Sudan.

    August 3, 2011 at 7:07 pm | Reply
    • GonGon1

      Superb Comment and would like to add wherever confusion is there, China seems behind them

      August 4, 2011 at 11:40 am | Reply
    • U2ovrUs

      Add Zimbabwe to the list, Rocker, and the "axis" will be complete...I would probably add Russia to it, but then I'm a bit
      biased about the Russians...

      August 4, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Reply
    • Rocker Malik

      My bad, missed Iran.

      August 4, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Reply
      • RM

        Yeah, for you too Ganesh is on way with his snout for your behind to punish you. You very baaad!

        August 4, 2011 at 3:20 pm |
      • Rocker Malik

        Yes, smell of Mo everywhere.

        August 4, 2011 at 3:32 pm |
  4. Arman Yousafzai in Mingora,Swat, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (NWFP)



    youtube. com/watch?v=3JfggTjKmUk

    ^(remove the space and put in your browser address)


    So what do you think of this plan?

    August 3, 2011 at 9:03 pm | Reply
    • Reasonable1

      Muslim women wear burqa, niqab, chador or hijab. This woman is not wearing any of those things. Will she be punished by your Sharia law?

      August 4, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply
      • STOP

        Why always we have to face your ignorance? Who said that all Muslim woman wear burqa, niqab, chador or hijab. The time is changing so that some customs, too. OK, Muslim woman should wear those sort of clothes but no body can force them. If you analyze Muslim countries out of Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan and search their daily life, you would see the degree of your ignorance! Stop generalizing and vilifying Muslims with your hateful thoughts. If we start to vilify christians' past times, we can find the daily life of that times as many many cruel, ignorantly, abandoned and full of bigot! I don't want to talk about jewish! In the past all christian countries tried to banish and kill them! Nobody liked you! Only Muslims didn't do this or even sometimes we saved you! Search your history! Nazis killed many of you, and you take your revenge from Muslims after invading their lands? oh man, this CNN website is full of enemy of Islam! with no righteous people!

        August 4, 2011 at 12:55 pm |
      • U2ovrUs

        What makes you think Arman is Jewish, you presumptuous twit. Take your offended, macho Muslim "honor" and shove it.
        When Islamic males start treating women with the respect and dignity they deserve, then will I give a damn what you have
        to say about anything. It isn't CNN making enemies of Islam. Its the way women are treated in Islamic societies that makes
        enemies for you.

        August 4, 2011 at 1:18 pm |
      • U2ovrUs

        Correction: What makes you think Reasonable1 is Jewish, you sanctimonious "righteous" goat poker!
        And the same goes for Arman.

        August 4, 2011 at 1:28 pm |
      • Reasonable1

        @STOP In Saudi Arabia, women are being arrested for driving. I am not kidding. A woman is arrested per your Sharia law!! And it is happened in July of 2011 (not a few centuries ago). So, instead of taking your anger out on me or Jews or the whole western hemisphere, why don't you direct constructively it toward Saudi Arabia. Please save those women. It's your Ramadan, do something good.

        August 4, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
    • U2ovrUs

      Erratically?? ANY woman on Earth would probably dance "erratically" after the stinking Taliban finished brutalizing her...
      I have a perfect solution to the Afghan war, too: Lock up every woman-hating Afghan male that lives along with every
      woman-fearing piece of Taliban goat poker that hides under the rocks there...

      August 4, 2011 at 1:00 pm | Reply
    • atal

      Hey Arman: why do you bring Afghan girls in the discussion. Afghan girls will not be able to dance as these PUNJABI girls who have big boobs and assess.....

      August 6, 2011 at 1:04 am | Reply
  5. Arman Yousafzai in Mingora,Swat, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (NWFP)

    YOU YANKS ARE STUPID thinking you will win in the graveyard of empires by invading and occupying as you are creating more and more enemies everyday which will come back to haunt you, as it did to the predecessors.





    So what do you think of this plan?

    August 3, 2011 at 9:26 pm | Reply
    • Reasonable1

      Nah.. She looks too old to serve as the little Aisha for your pedo prophet.

      August 4, 2011 at 10:58 am | Reply
      • devil`s advocate

        and there are NO pedos here in north america and in europe right?... that`s where all the business is..

        August 4, 2011 at 11:55 am |
      • STOP

        you idiot! stop vilifiying! shut the f..k up your mouth! how dare you can slander a prophet of billions of Muslims? Can you give me just an example that any Muslims slandered Jesus or Moses? Just give an example! that show how ignorant, inconsiderate, hateful and worthless personality you have!!!

        August 4, 2011 at 1:00 pm |
      • @STOP

        Why don't you stop quivering and calm down. Is that asking too much of the 'true' muslim that's you? Ever since Al Ghazali, you fellas stopped thinking rationally. That's why you suck today and will continue to suck as long as you don't reform. The rest of the world has moved on from the 13th century.

        As much as the rest of the world would like to take you along, you seem insistent on dragging everyone down.

        August 4, 2011 at 2:54 pm |
      • Bharati

        All pedophiles have moved to India, so none is here in west

        August 4, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Tzckrl

      OK, Johnny One-Note, you've posted this video and diatribe before. Getting kind of . . .boring, predictable, inherently inane anyway. . . .

      August 4, 2011 at 12:36 pm | Reply
    • lizakowalski

      This man "Arman" is TROLL and most likely an Indian and not a Paki.

      It's so obvious.

      August 4, 2011 at 6:05 pm | Reply
  6. GOPisGreedOverPeople

    To see where the GOP sent all those jobs.

    August 4, 2011 at 9:47 am | Reply
    • victim of democrat hypocrisy

      Typical dumbocrap–conveniently forgets his party controlled both houses of congress under Bush and his president has doubled the debt while not making a dent in unemployment, failed to close the GITMO prison and is currently has our troops engaged in THREE campaigns.

      How's that hopey-changey thing working out for ya?

      August 4, 2011 at 12:10 pm | Reply
      • Tzckrl

        First you should get your facts right - you're arguing a fantasy.

        August 4, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
      • Ames

        How much legislation does one ever hope to pass in the Senate with 51 votes when the other 49 will as a block filibuster everything. Sure the Democrats where at the wheel but the GOP let the air out of the tires and took out the battery. To stonewall continuously and then blame the other side for a lack of accomplishment is the definition of hypocrisy.

        August 4, 2011 at 1:25 pm |
    • U2ovrUs

      Essence of GOP:
      1. Greed is good
      2. Every man for himself
      3. Me first

      GOP has turned U.S. into a plutocracy.
      New name for GOP: Republicans Incorporated

      August 4, 2011 at 2:24 pm | Reply
  7. Jacob

    The US funds and supports Uyghur separatist movements, whose members then train in Pakistan and Afghanistan with the intention of returning to China to carry out attacks. However, in 2002, these Uyghur separatists attempted to bomb the US embassy in Kyrgyzstan, and in 2010, they attempted to carry out terrorist attacks in Norway. This is like the Mujahideen all over again. We give these groups money to attack other countries, and they end up turning on us. We can't seem to buy a decent terrorist group anymore.

    August 4, 2011 at 12:07 pm | Reply
  8. Leo Caddy

    If you create monsters, you will have to deal with them someday. America never learns the lesson: always continuing to support rogue regimes and arming "freedom fighters" just to have a short-term solution. America in the 80s and 90s allowed an Islamic dictatorship (Pakistan) to become a nuclear power! God, what height of stupidity! The only reason America does not want Iran to have nuclear weapons is because our Arab allies will never tolerate a nuclear Iran. If America was at odds with Saudi Arabia today, we'd have a nuclear Iran tomorrow!

    August 4, 2011 at 12:32 pm | Reply
  9. sam

    secret trip? I don't think any country in the world need to inform USA before sending their diplomate to another country. this news really make no sence, Ishaan Tharoor need to come up with better story and please avoid don't be a puppet in the hand of some agencies

    August 4, 2011 at 12:33 pm | Reply
  10. Panzerkom

    Ya'all should listen to Master Zakaria, the true Indian patriot. Like he said - it is over for Pakistan and China. India will rule the world!

    Now, follow Mr. Zakaria in saying this in an Indian accent - "Welcome to India!"

    August 4, 2011 at 12:52 pm | Reply
  11. Pashapokfririce

    Relax guys!!! All he wanted was to go over the border and relish on some Pork Fried Rice...Of course For Pork Fried Rice and Pork Lo Mein, better be a secret trip...orelse the Pakistanis will turn him into Natasha from Pasha..

    August 4, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Reply
  12. berger

    Ishaan Tharoor is a RAW puppet. How does Mr. Tharoor know the intentions behind the visit? Did chineese govt call you or Pasha called you for advice? Stop speculation and bring real news.

    August 4, 2011 at 12:54 pm | Reply
    • Syed

      just another smelly indian trying to show his hatred toward Pakistan

      August 4, 2011 at 1:01 pm | Reply

        Oh yeah, i 4got.. BUT you guys are born out of India right, i mean you guys (pakistanis) if actually speaking are the son of india. You speak almost the same as Indians (Urdu in speaking with hindi and punjabi), you wear the same, you eat the same and you are no different from them Except the fact that you are Anti-Human Beings aka terrorists !

        August 4, 2011 at 1:24 pm |

      Well, If you are so worried about the facts, google and check the facts for REAL yourself ! Don't TRUST CNN then stop visiting and reading it, F0000L !

      August 4, 2011 at 1:21 pm | Reply
      • berger

        Ok PeeLover 🙂 didn't know google has facts .....i will get right on it

        August 4, 2011 at 6:06 pm |
    • RM

      I have never come across a race that is so meek as the Indians. They stink to their bones, literall ( A britisher once told me he used to distribute free lifebouy soap to Indian coworkers in South Africa so they could shower and he didn't have to puke because of the smell). Plus for a few pennies they will sell their sisters and give their mothers away. This nation has no pride nor self respect. WIll always be subservient ... as to British and now to Chinese.

      August 4, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Reply
    • @berger

      Another delusional Paki. Everything that he/she doesn't like has to come from the Christian/Jewish/Hindu axis. If your wife is a 5lut, it's you'd blame that on Israel or India too.

      Gotta pity your vain attempts. The whole world knows the duplicitous lives led by Paki vermin. Tell me why you hid OBL you ho!
      I am not even going to try clean up your stinking brain. I'd rather 'd'low it up!

      August 6, 2011 at 9:39 am | Reply

    Well, This SNAKE (pakistan) can't be friends with anyone. America realized it recently and China is soon in line to realize that ! Coz this snake wont give anything else than a poisonous BITE !

    August 4, 2011 at 12:55 pm | Reply
  14. arafat

    we should give india a wink and a nod

    August 4, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
  15. RM

    The trip was to counter the USA/India-Hindu/Jewish axis of evil in the region that is trying to drive a wedge between old partners China and Pakistan. The Chinese-Pakistani partnership will soon see the emergence of Pakistan as the military/economic leader in South Asia. That does not sit well with India who is using USA to prop it while USA is using India to do its dirty work in the region to counter China's emergence as the new global power. The only problem is India/USA are too late in the game and India has been virtually surrounded by China's sphere of influence. Plus USA is almost bankrupt and Indians don't have the kinda dough it will take to reverse this trend. So probably the Indians are better off focusing on Kama Sutra, bathing in Ganges to get the smell off, and drinking cow pee (their national beverage of choice).

    August 4, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    • Leo Caddy

      China treats Pakistan exactly as America did two decades ago. All is done in national interest: there is no special soft spot in China's heart for Pakistan. All that is changing now is your employer: Pakistan continues to be a minion.

      August 4, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Reply
    • U2ovrUs

      China and Pakistan deserve each other: they'll cut each other's throats. And sooner or later both of 'em will implode.
      Here's to the Dalai Lama! Boycott China!

      August 4, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Reply
    • Rocker Malik

      Good axis, once is good at producing trash in billions and another thrashing humans. Nice partnership LMHO.

      August 4, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Reply
  16. Alex

    Hey pakistan first fix your infighting, poverty, corruption, smell then talk about glory.. phew!!!!!!!

    August 4, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Reply
  17. American

    Why is that everone is so stupid and lacks knowledge...All the comments i am readign are way off track and I am not sure why people are talking about one thing and all teh sudden topic changes and you have all the hate messages...Try to learn more about each other and live in peace rather then play blame game...all religions teach peace and love it is up to the people how they would like to follow them...I fyou really want to find about something do some research...and also we should support Pakistan as to they have lost many people in the war against terrorism...and they are our friends (tough friendship) but are doing what they can being third world country with no money to spare...

    August 4, 2011 at 2:06 pm | Reply
  18. Jeff

    As a world traveller many time over, I personally find Pakistani people to be more authentic, more real, more trustworthy than then the indians. I deal with indians and Pakistanis (and many other nations) on a daily basis related to business and my conclusion is that a Pakistani will give the shirt of his/her back while the indian will stab you in the back. A Pakistani will be humble and will go to enormous lenghts to take care of his/her guest, while an Indian will be too busy thinking they are superior than everyone else and will demand respect without earning it.

    Whatever the govt of Pakistan does or doesnt do, it is not a reflection of a common pakistani as they are one of the most hospitable decent people I have met in my travels around the world. I have no favorites in this assessment, it is purely an conclusion that I have arrived at over years of my interaction with these two set of peoples.

    August 4, 2011 at 2:15 pm | Reply
    • Anand

      I want to see Pakistani woman giving her shirt off of her back. I know they are very beautiful.

      August 4, 2011 at 2:36 pm | Reply
      • berger

        Anand stop JACKING OFF 🙂

        August 4, 2011 at 6:09 pm |
    • Al

      Oh you travelled around the world & found these deceit double talking guys as amazing & friendly then you must be one of them, period.

      August 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm | Reply
    • Rocker Malik

      You sound familier, let me guess David Collman Headley aka Daood Syed Jilani. No fault of yours, it is in your genes.

      August 4, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Reply
    • Indian

      Mr. Jeff, India is much much more diverse. Pakis are of same stock as Indians. there are punjabis, Sindhis and Pakhtoons in India as well.... and many more people, states. Your observations seem very limited and superficial, biased as well it appears. I am not sure which travels you undertook as there are a few places you can visit in pakistan, rest is not open.
      Also, Pakis are generally more friendly with Westerners. Their entire enmity it seems, is reserved for India. It is a nation living in constant fear of being exposed of their artificial separation from India

      August 4, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Reply
      • RM

        @Indian....Please don't insult the Pakistanis by comparing them to Indians. They are poles apart and never the twain shall meet. So get on with your lives. India shall always live in the shadow of Pakistan.

        August 5, 2011 at 9:52 am |
    • Prettygal

      I do agree with you, some Pakis are hospitable. However, in your future travels, I hope you don't meet the same fate as one Daniel Pearl– The white American who was cut limb from limb (and head) in Pakistan. Watch out for the extremists! Pakistan has a lot of them!

      August 4, 2011 at 9:19 pm | Reply
  19. Anand

    Good. When China realizes that Pakistan's trained terrorists are behind in any attack in China, they will take real good care of Pakistan. One less headache for India and America.

    August 4, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
  20. Harman

    Why does that surprise anyone, they bought their entire nuclear program from the Chinese. They have been in bed for a very ling time.

    August 4, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • Jacob

      Harmon, you obviously don't have a clue what you are talking about. Pakistan's nuclear program was started in 1956, and it was part of President Eisenhower's "Atoms for Peace Program." The first director of the Pakistan's nuclear program was Nazir Ahmed, who received a masters and PhD from Cambridge University.

      Several "Pakistanis" worked on the Manhattan Project, and some of them returned to Pakistan to help create their nuclear deterrence program. One of the chief architects was Munir Ahmad Khan, who received his nuclear engineering training at North Carolina State University and was a research associate at the Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois. The funding for Pakistan's nuclear program mostly came from Libya and Saudi Arabia.

      August 4, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Reply
      • Harman

        this wiki cut and past is good Jacob but the reality is that after 3 failed tests of their indigenously developed N Bomb, their chief nuclear scientist AQ Khan approached china with the help of N Korea and the Saudis and "bought" the n bomb just to prove to the Pakistani public that they are at par with their mortal enemy India.

        August 4, 2011 at 5:35 pm |
  21. sasa


    August 4, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Reply
    • David

      Obama also believes in Mohammed!! Please don't make any fun of Obama's prophet.

      August 4, 2011 at 9:00 pm | Reply
    • wwsd

      Your A #1 in my book sasa

      August 4, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Reply
  22. Jason G.

    Or maybe he was just handing off detailed photos of the "stealth helicopter rotor" to the Chinese in an exchange for some undisclosed military help because of their growing U.S. hate..?

    August 4, 2011 at 2:57 pm | Reply
  23. harry

    Why are we bothering with rat eating Pakistan? We should embrace India.

    August 4, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Reply
  24. JOE

    Maybe he's seeking advice from China on how to protect Al Qaeda's number two man from Obama after John Boehner and the GOP did a lousy job protecting Bin Laden.

    August 4, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Reply
  25. RM

    Not an ounce of intelligence in Tharoor"s article. Perhaps he should take Ganesh's snout and shove it in his beeehind to get to epiphany.

    August 4, 2011 at 3:13 pm | Reply
    • @berger

      So true to your ilk! You jack off to anemals too? How disgusting!

      August 6, 2011 at 9:42 am | Reply
  26. fiskenmann

    By all means, turn to China. I'm sure they will be entertained by the dancing boys of wackystan.

    August 4, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Reply
  27. nofoldems

    Another very subject article posted by an Indian "journalist"

    August 4, 2011 at 3:26 pm | Reply
    • @nofoldems

      Green glasses, eh?

      August 4, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Reply
  28. GULLU


    August 4, 2011 at 3:29 pm | Reply
    • TrueIndian

      Sure genius. China is largely dependent on the US, hence why they buy US debt. Without the US, China will collapse in on itself.

      August 4, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Reply
    • Jacob

      How honest do you think Pakistan is?

      August 4, 2011 at 3:55 pm | Reply
    • TrueIndian1

      And please use spell check. Comes standard in most internet browsers now too.

      August 4, 2011 at 4:09 pm | Reply
      • RM

        Did Shakespeare do a # on you?

        August 4, 2011 at 7:31 pm |
    • fiskenmann

      What in the world are 'CHINIES', wackattack???

      August 4, 2011 at 9:33 pm | Reply
  29. ice breaker

    This could be a huge gamble for Pakistan. Pakistan does not have any large size industry and it's economy is dependent on the US aid to a large extent. If China donates money to Pakistan, they will want full accountability from Pakistan unlike the US. It will be very interesting to see how it pays out.

    August 4, 2011 at 3:37 pm | Reply
    • asian


      August 4, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Reply
    • Count of MonteCristo

      Pakistan is a black hole. Money sucked in ,nothing comes out. Chinese will not throw money in hole, just to see how deep it is.

      August 5, 2011 at 8:57 am | Reply
  30. more2bits

    China and Pakistan are in cohoots with the Devil.

    August 4, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Reply
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