August 3rd, 2011
02:15 PM ET

Why did Pakistan's spy chief make a secret trip to China?

By Ishaan Tharoor, Global Spin

Reports reveal Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, head of Pakistan's main military intelligence agency, the ISI, flew on a secret mission to Beijing for urgent talks this Monday. The visit followed swiftly on the heels of yet another round of diplomatic squabbling between Washington and Islamabad.

During a heated summer of disputes, tensions between the ISI and the CIA flared most recently over the alleged Pakistani harassment of American officials stationed in the country. Pasha's China trip has been interpreted by some as a tacit act of defiance — a reminder to his American counterparts that the Pakistanis can always look east to their “all-weather” friend across the Himalayas rather than bend the knee to the will of the U.S.

But it also may be a sign of China's growing disquiet with Pakistan. Another top-ranking Pakistani military officer, Lt. Gen Wahid Arshad, had already conducted a considerable tour of China just weeks ago in a bid to improve ties.

A few analysts have suggested that Pasha's trip — couched in vague terms about building a “broad-based strategic dialogue” — may have been less a visit and more of a summons.

After all, China claimed this week that Islamist militants trained in Pakistan were behind a violent attack in the far western city of Kashgar that killed at least 14 and injured dozens more. Like the U.S., perhaps the Chinese are now also frustrated at the dangers Pakistan has long let take root on its soil.

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  1. Pakistan in the next 4 years

    Why there is no hope:
    1. '40 Million illiterate/semi-literate youth' looking for jobs. i.e. 1/4th of the population.
    2. 'Racial tensions' between Punjabi-Sunni supremacists and the minorities. 65% vs 35%
    3. 'Increasingly violent' culture with unlicensed guns – small and big
    4. 'Over ambitious, vainglorious ISI' overreaching it's stature/necessity, fomenting terrorism
    5. 'Paranoid, uni-directional army' – top brass strangulating the elected civilian govt.
    6. 'Discriminatory hogging' of national and natural resources by Punjabi-Sunni supremacists
    7. 'Inept Govt' infested with 'corrupt feudal elite'
    8. 'Unstable democracy' waiting to be usurped by the 'power hungry army'

    Any 3 of the above together are sufficient conditions for a nation( ??) to go down the drain. Add to all those the fact that most of the citizens ((including the punies mouthing machoism on this board) are deluding themselves with conspiracy theories. Is the result not obvious?

    August 4, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Reply
  2. Count of MonteCristo

    Hillary, Look Paki went to China to talk about you.

    August 4, 2011 at 4:24 pm | Reply
    • berger

      LOL

      August 4, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Reply
    • PAKPRO

      why don't you shut ur mouth instead and go learn sumfing useful! idiot

      August 5, 2011 at 2:30 pm | Reply
  3. Subhash

    Immigration form these two countries must be NOW be restricted and done with caution.

    August 4, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Reply
    • Irtiza

      Once again, it isnt suprising to see an Indian spew such hate...If you came to this country please adopt the standards of acceptance rather such off-hand comments. A saying we like to adopt in this america is if you dont have anything nice to say, then dont say it, please learn this much. Your backward thinking is disgusting.

      August 4, 2011 at 4:52 pm | Reply
    • berger

      subhash,
      I here by direct President Obama to make you the Director of USCIS 🙂

      August 4, 2011 at 6:14 pm | Reply
  4. Irtiza

    bravo bravo Ishaan Tharoor....are you a journalist or a biased reporter? Great job with your comment "dangers Pakistan has long let take root on its soil.' From your name I believe that you are Indian, and are you sure you dont harbor some hate against Pakistan? Please if you're going to do journalism in this country, try do it without any favoritism and hate...Your article does contain such aspects and it's disappointing that CNN has allowed you to publish this.

    August 4, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Reply
    • @Irtiza

      You said : ~Great job with your comment "dangers Pakistan has long let take root on its soil.' From your name I believe that you are Indian, and are you sure you dont harbor some hate against Pakistan?~

      Hmm,, There are any number of news reports and academic articles by journalists and think tanks in the US and elsewhere about the radicalization of the society in Pakistan. i.e. Dangers successive Pakistani governments encouraged to manipulate their populace. Depending on the intimacy of our relation or not, we either acknowledge it or deny it. The fact however doesn't change.

      That you squirm at that statement doesn't qualify it to be labeled biased. It does raise questions about your biases though.

      August 4, 2011 at 5:24 pm | Reply
      • Irtiza

        Tell me this then,is America not to blame for funding the jihadists during the Soviet invasion. State your think tanks and your sources who say such things. Don't just say. Even you must know that it takes evidence to prove your point.

        August 4, 2011 at 6:37 pm |
      • @Irtiza

        Since when did the FUD you spray qualify for evidence?

        When you accuse the US of funding the jihadists that the Pakistani generals were glad to direct, why do you conveniently forget your Muslim brothers the Saudis?

        The Saudis funded the taliban and still continue to fund the extremist wahabi madrasas.
        So much for the blame you seek to shift. Pakistan is as much to blame for the mess. You reveled in it and now that you are found out, you want to take the entire world on a guilt trip.

        Pipe down now.

        August 5, 2011 at 1:18 am |
      • Irtiza

        Damn, didn't know that the truth would pierce that harshly...No one said only the U.S. was to blame..but have you forgotten that its the same CIA who spread their tentacles in Nicaragua and funded the guerillas...Did you forget the opium BOTH pakistan and U.S. helped spread across Afghanistan..cmon now patriot, learn your history and facts...Pipe down now please..oh and if the Saudis are so bad, why still buy oil from them? The government isnt as angelic as you might think son but then again, brainwashed citizens like yourself aren't to blame, it must be the media..

        August 5, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
  5. Bob

    It's a surprise to us ordinary citizens, but I'm sure it's nothing new.

    August 4, 2011 at 4:56 pm | Reply
  6. sheikh

    Dont compare urself with China.... china is Pak's all weather friend and China itself knows its just a propaganda fabricated by US puppets with help ov their Indian dogs..... so pls make some other story it goes flop; big big time like Osama story....

    August 4, 2011 at 5:14 pm | Reply
    • @sheikh

      You ingrates! Why the 'l'uck do you wanna use the uighurs to blow up China too? You say they are your all weather friends. In the end you will end up scuk ing dcik. Reform, you morons!

      August 4, 2011 at 5:36 pm | Reply
  7. pakiiiiii

    hahahahahah the great pakistan is in alliance with the next super power of the world u suckers from india.
    gay hind, gay hind, gay hind hahahaahah suckers.....

    August 4, 2011 at 5:45 pm | Reply
    • Leo Caddy

      Not an alliance, but a minion. There is a difference: alliance is between equals. China needs a trouble maker for India; they have Burma in the East and Pakistan in the West.

      August 4, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Reply
      • pakiiiiii

        you are so innocent in your bloody ignorance china dont give a damn about india, why u feel so important that some great nations like china and pakistan will give damn about wht the hell india... gay hind sucker

        August 5, 2011 at 1:14 am |
      • PAKPRO

        ur comments r so pathetically stupid if only ur daddy knew he wud trade u in 4 a pet lizrd

        August 5, 2011 at 2:33 pm |
  8. pakiiiiii

    i think its a fabolous name for bloody suckers like u indians who have only got hate for the great pakistan but listen pakistan will prevail........ gay hind, gay hind, gaaaay hind hahahahaha i love it...

    August 4, 2011 at 5:55 pm | Reply
    • fiskenmann

      Pipe down, dancing boy!

      August 4, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Reply
  9. lols finnisher

    and yet we hand them money like it's free.

    oh, wait.

    August 4, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Reply
  10. Phil

    Ha ha, you lot over in the US give the least insightful discussion I have ever known on a global issue, all there is bias BS, come on guys give some grown up analysis. No wonder the British Empire lasted for a good 3 centuries and you guys are struggling to do even one century.

    August 4, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Reply
    • U2ovrUs

      without our "lot" of ignoramuses your lot would have had to say "sieg heil" to Hitler and you'd be speaking German everywhere your 300 year old rapacious empire was...

      August 5, 2011 at 5:09 pm | Reply
  11. Prometheus Bound

    Nobody trusts the ISI, nor should they ...

    August 4, 2011 at 6:24 pm | Reply
    • PAKPRO

      aren't u special 4 pointng tht out! loser gt a lyfe

      August 5, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Reply
  12. pakiiiiii

    pakistan have a very strategic location, china wants to use that strategic advantage for trade with the middle east and rest of the world as for now china uses a very long route which is very expensive for them. pakistan will give passage to chinese for trade and you guys will see a different scenario in 3 to 4 years........

    August 4, 2011 at 6:31 pm | Reply
  13. pakiiiiii

    ISI is the top intelligence agency in the entire world buddy...... keep this n your mind

    August 4, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Reply
    • Rocker Malik

      ISI strategy is off late hurting Pakis more than others, good luck for your friendship with greatest trash producers of the world, LMHO.

      August 4, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Reply
      • pakiiiiii

        u need a lesson in history buddy pakistan have destroyed super power like USSR remember, if we would not have stopped them and deprived them of their super power status they would have been ruling you, u should be thankful to us...

        August 5, 2011 at 1:18 am |
    • Leo Caddy

      Your ISI kills innocent people with impunity; that is not a matter of pride, but a matter of grave concern.

      August 4, 2011 at 8:44 pm | Reply
      • pakiiiiii

        you know their is a quest for power going on in the great pak which will be resolved sooner. then you will see. and as far as the killing of innocent people are concerned indian army kills hundereds of kashmiris on the daily basis and thousands die from hunger in india monthly, ur country is lost buddy check the stats. their has been continuous fighting in different parts of india for decades now, people wants to be free from india

        August 5, 2011 at 1:25 am |
      • PAKPRO

        wht about Eric Prince of darkness? huh?

        August 5, 2011 at 2:36 pm |
    • fiskenmann

      ISI = ignorant stupid ingrates.

      August 4, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Reply
    • Rocker Malik

      ISI = Ignorant Stupid Islamist

      August 4, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Reply
      • PAKPRO

        RAW = RAT A$$ WOR-SHIPP/SH1TT-ERS! HAHAHAHAHA

        August 5, 2011 at 2:39 pm |
  14. Kuldip

    Pakistan and China are both rouge nations. It is teh weakness of UN and world organizations that these two countries are creating terrorism in the world.
    Pakistan should be divided into multiple countries to make it more managable and all goods from China shoule be banned. The world be a better place in less than a week after that

    August 4, 2011 at 7:02 pm | Reply
    • RM

      Well the current plan is to cut up India into pices that are more manageable. West to Pakistan, North to China, East to Bangla Desh, South to Sri Lanka. Bombay and parts of M state will remain as India.

      August 5, 2011 at 8:08 am | Reply
  15. Kuldip

    Pakistan ke maa chod do

    August 4, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Reply
    • pakiiiiii

      gaaaay hind gay hind...... hahahahaha

      August 5, 2011 at 12:58 am | Reply
    • PAKPRO

      tere pehn de fuddah gandiyeh!

      August 5, 2011 at 2:40 pm | Reply
  16. Kuldip

    Pakistan ke maa ke choot me Indian gadhe ka lund

    August 4, 2011 at 7:03 pm | Reply
  17. Kuldip

    The terrorist attack in Norway and then China was handiwork of ISI

    August 4, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Reply
    • Leo Caddy

      Stop making illogical connexions between the shootings in Norway and the ISI; and please mind your language: this is not the forum.

      August 4, 2011 at 8:38 pm | Reply
    • fiskenmann

      LOLOLOL!!!

      August 4, 2011 at 9:47 pm | Reply
    • RM

      Per Indian media he had Shiv Sena/RSS connections with extremist hindus in India and Jews in Israel and had made calls to them prior to the incident. He also had mentioned them in his manifesto. Very scary development as these hindus and jewish extremists are now emerging as international terrorists. Plus these extemist hindus are now blowing up India also per latest attack there.

      August 5, 2011 at 8:05 am | Reply
      • PAKPRO

        correction typo : emerged!! half a century ago

        August 5, 2011 at 2:42 pm |
  18. Smokey

    Like America, China was a major provider of weapons and technical assistance to the mujahedin during their war with the Soviets. There's a long and mostly amicable history there, so it shouldn't be a surprise to see China angling for more influence in the AfPak region.

    August 4, 2011 at 7:27 pm | Reply
  19. Robert

    When the ISI (Pakistan CIA) dudes from Pakistan visits China, ask him how Aslam P. Adam is doing, who picked up from Butner FCI, Butner, NC, as I knew him in 1992, abouts for he was my Cellmate, and said U.S. Government full of hooty with drug trade as he was suppose to get 99+ years with Heroin Trading, but got clemacy with George Bush Sr.

    August 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm | Reply
  20. reformer

    The USA needs to cut all aid to them, The USA needs to cut all forigen aid. We need to impose a 1000%tax on all goods comming in from China, we seem to help the world and they seem to want us to fall..

    August 4, 2011 at 7:50 pm | Reply
    • PAKPRO

      y don't u first put evrything 'made in china' on auction in ur house then we'll talk! I'm sure u'll be left with nthng! ahahaha

      August 5, 2011 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  21. blessedgeek

    Thank you China, thank you thank you thank you for taking this burdensome burden off our shoulders. China loves such messy countries like DPRK, north Sudan, Pakistan. China is a sponge.

    August 4, 2011 at 8:54 pm | Reply
    • RM

      Sounds like you are jealous of China. Huh?

      August 5, 2011 at 7:59 am | Reply
  22. wwsd

    The way chinese companies put industrial chemicals in their food, milki, etc. the wacky packy's will not be around for long and china and india will split up wacky packy land. All mosques will be replaced by hindu temples

    August 4, 2011 at 9:24 pm | Reply
    • pakiiiiii

      in the near future we will claim india again as we have ruled you for over 850 years..... dont forget sucker

      August 5, 2011 at 1:05 am | Reply
      • RamSekhar

        You ruled? A very high probability that your grand dad was a weakling hindu who converted to save his a55.

        At best you are a fake lund katua, someone who sacrificed his lund to save his a55. Dream on.

        August 5, 2011 at 12:19 pm |
      • pakiiiiii

        paki power prevails....... we have got some thing special for suckers like u indians.
        and GOD forbids that one of my ancestors would be hindu cheee cheeee cheee a sucker hindu...
        i think u forgot let me remind u of zaheer ud din babar, kutbudin aibak, sher shah.......... and a long list who ruled over u fks for 1000 years

        August 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm |
      • Pak Stinks

        Is it their blood that made Pak into the stink hole that you are drowning in? You sure are a puny.

        Quoting : –

        Pakistan in the next 4 years
        Why there is no hope:
        1. '40 Million illiterate/semi-literate youth' looking for jobs. i.e. 1/4th of the population.
        2. 'Racial tensions' between Punjabi-Sunni supremacists and the minorities. 65% vs 35%
        3. 'Increasingly violent' culture with unlicensed guns – small and big
        4. 'Over ambitious, vainglorious ISI' overreaching it's stature/necessity, fomenting terrorism
        5. 'Paranoid, uni-directional army' – top brass strangulating the elected civilian govt.
        6. 'Discriminatory hogging' of national and natural resources by Punjabi-Sunni supremacists
        7. 'Inept Govt' infested with 'corrupt feudal elite'
        8. 'Unstable democracy' waiting to be usurped by the 'power hungry army'

        Any 3 of the above together are sufficient conditions for a nation( ??) to go down the drain. Add to all those the fact that most of the citizens ((including the punies mouthing machoism on this board) are deluding themselves with conspiracy theories. Is the result not obvious?

        August 8, 2011 at 11:52 pm |
  23. wwsd

    Pork was forbidden by God to the muslims cause pork is too good for them

    August 4, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Reply
  24. Agha Ata

    You can fool some people all the time, and you can fool all people sometime, but you cannot fool all people......(You knwo the rest... 🙂

    August 4, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Reply
  25. porkistan

    Dil Dil Pakistan......
    Total Chootiyaistan
    Muh me US ka lullistan...
    Choot me Chin-istan
    Gaand me dam-istan

    August 4, 2011 at 10:37 pm | Reply
    • pakiiiiii

      gay hind, gay hind, gaaaay hind

      August 5, 2011 at 1:07 am | Reply
  26. porkistan

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP12u80KWSw&w=640&h=360]

    August 4, 2011 at 10:40 pm | Reply
  27. porkistan

    @RM....Shakespeare did a f#!@, s@#$ and P#$% on you and your mom.

    August 4, 2011 at 10:44 pm | Reply
  28. porkistan

    @RM.....perhaps....you forgot that for less than few pennies....you porkis sold your sister Aaifa Siddique some what recently.

    August 4, 2011 at 10:56 pm | Reply
    • pakiiiiii

      yeah ur right but gaaaayyy hind... sucker

      August 5, 2011 at 1:00 am | Reply
    • PAKPRO

      compared to what? urs r sold willingly to foreign men for a few pennies! no wonder so many swarthy hybrids running around these days in the West

      August 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  29. cpc65

    Now isn't that the face of a trustworthy man on Mr. Pasha or what?

    August 4, 2011 at 11:07 pm | Reply
  30. IndianCitizen

    Can I request all Indian posters to refrain from obscene language? It does not behove well for our country and shows immaturity. Let the "others" abuse/curse as much as they can but we should not be doing so. Let us not be provocated in an unnecessary manner and uphold our dignity and show our maturity.

    Thanks for understanding.

    August 4, 2011 at 11:59 pm | Reply
    • Get real.

      Get real

      August 6, 2011 at 10:00 am | Reply
    • pakiiiiii

      ur right gay hind....

      August 7, 2011 at 5:24 pm | Reply
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