Editor’s Note: Steven Kull is director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes and author of the recently released book, Feeling Betrayed: The Roots of Muslim Anger at America.
By Steven Kull, Special to CNN
On the ten-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, many Americans are wondering whether the risk of a terrorist attack against America has been reduced. The picture is mixed. With the death of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda is weaker. With revolutions in several Arab countries, frustrations with unpopular autocratic governments - a recruiting theme for terrorist groups - have been mitigated. But one important contributing factor has not improved - widespread anger at America in the Muslim world. While views have improved in Indonesia, throughout the Middle East and South Asia, hostility toward the United States persists unabated.
This does not mean that most Muslims support terrorist attacks on America. On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong. Al Qaeda is quite unpopular.
However, anger at America does contribute to an environment in which it is easier for anti-American terrorist groups to recruit jihadists, to generate funding and to generally operate with little government interference - witness how bin Laden operated in Pakistan and the widespread anger there when the Pakistani military failed to prevent the United States from taking him out.
Trying to understand Muslims’ feelings toward America has been the focus of a five-year study I recently completed that included conducting focus groups and surveys throughout the Muslim world. I sat for many hours trying to understand as Muslims explained to me why they are so mad at America.
Muslims have much they do not like about how America treats them. But there is one thing that is the most fundamental: their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam - a perception held by overwhelming majorities.
The fact that many Americans blithely brush off this accusation without really understanding it is one reason this anger persists. To understand it one must go deeper into the Muslim worldview.
Muslims tend to view current events through the lens of a long-standing historical narrative. According to this narrative, going back to the Middle Ages Christian forces from the West have persistently sought to break the grip of Islam on its people. By holding fast, Muslims believe, they were able to flourish as a civilization, at times superseding the West in many dimensions.
Today, they believe, that struggle continues - except today the challenge is greater. Western cultural products are seen as seductively undermining Islamic culture. More importantly, Western powers have gained extraordinary military might that is seen as threatening and coercively dominating the Muslim world and propping up secular autocrats ready to accommodate the West. U.S. support for Israel, sometimes described as ‘America’s aircraft carrier in the region’, is seen as integral to U.S. plans for domination. All this is seen as also serving Western economic interests, such as in securing oil, which dovetails with the agenda of keeping Islam under foot.
Muslims overwhelmingly believe that the 9/11 attacks, and any attacks on civilians, are contrary to Islam. However, many Muslims do believe that America must back away from the Muslim world.
America did not back away after 9/11. Rather, it advanced into Afghanistan, into Iraq, and expanded its forces based in the Gulf. Many Muslims, with their penchant for conspiracy theories, even wonder if the United States somehow engineered the 9/11 attacks to justify this advance. When George W. Bush, in what has to go down as one of the greatest public diplomacy missteps of all time, announced a “crusade” against terrorism, the assimilation of American actions into the long-standing narrative of Western hostility to Islam was all but complete.
Like most Americans I initially viewed this as a big misunderstanding. Muslims, it seemed, underestimated the pluralism of Western society and with an overactive historical imagination had strung together various elements - each with their own good explanation - into a paranoia-tinged narrative of American hostility to Islam.
And yet with time it became clearer to me what it was about Americans that gave them this impression. Sure, Americans are happy to have Muslims go to their mosques. If they want to sneak away to pray 5 times a day - fine.
But for many Muslims this pluralistic bonhomie masks an American narrative that is actually quite oppressive. This narrative is one that some Muslims think they see even more clearly than Americans themselves.
According to this American narrative - which Muslims perceive as arrogant and dismissive - human society naturally and inevitable evolves through the stages that the West has gone through. As in the Renaissance, religion is largely banished from the public sphere, thus allowing pluralism and diversity of beliefs in the private sphere while maintaining a secular public sphere. This leads naturally to the elevation of individual freedoms and the emergence of democratic principles that make the will of the people the basis of the authority of law rather than revealed religious principles.
From this assumed American perspective, Muslim society is seen as simply behind the West in this evolutionary process. Retrogressive forces in Muslim society are seen as clinging to Islamic traditions that make Sharia the basis of law, not the will of the people, and inevitably keep women in their traditional oppressed roles and minority religions discriminated against.
Muslims see this narrative as being used to justify America actually violating democratic principles in relation to the Muslim world. Even if it is contrary to the will of the people, the United State props us autocratic governments on the basis that they are relatively more progressive - according to the assumed Western narrative - than what the people would do if they had their way. When the Algerian military in 1991 overturned the results of a democratic election when it appeared that an Islamist party would prevail, America and other Western governments turned a blind eye. When democratic forces arose in Tunisia and Egypt, Muslims perceive that the United States only joined the parade when the outcome was irreversible. Still, America supports autocratic forces in Bahrain in the face of pro-democratic forces calling for change.
A particularly frustrating feature of the U.S. narrative, for Muslims, is that it divides Muslim society into a progressive liberal and secular sector on one hand and on the other a regressive Islamist sector that seeks to impose backward Islamic traditions. America then seeks to promote the liberal forces and to undermine the Islamist forces.
This is not simply imagined. Currently in Congress there are efforts to ensure that U.S. funding of democracy promotion in Egypt only benefits liberal, secular parties and does not in any way benefit Islamist parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood.
To most Muslims this American perspective on Muslim society is simply incorrect and American efforts to choose the winner is really about America seeking to impose its Western secular model of governance and to eradicate the role of Islam in the public sphere. Since to Muslims Islam is, by definition, meant to be in the public sphere, American efforts are seen as seeking to undermine Islam itself.
The assertion that America is misreading Muslim society is supported by polling data. While Americans do tend to divide the Muslim public into secular and Islamist groups, polls show that Muslims do not divide so neatly.
Overwhelming majorities endorse liberal principles including that the will of the people should be the basis of governance, government leaders should be chosen through free elections and that there should be full freedom of religion.
At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion.
Obviously there are some serious contradictions here. But these contradictions are not primarily between sectors of Muslim society but rather within Muslim individuals. This could be described as an “internal clash of civilizations.”
Muslims are well aware of these tensions. They are drawn to the liberal ideas of democracy and pluralism and they want to find a way to incorporate them into their societies. Al Qaeda’s model of rejecting all Western influences in favor of purely traditional society garners little support.
At the same most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role. They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture. Integrating these aspirations with liberal ideas of democracy and freedom of religion is a decidedly challenging endeavor.
So it is particularly infuriating to Muslims when America intervenes in a way that is destabilizing, trying to root for one imagined side against another, in what Americans conceive of as an inevitable evolution toward the victory of one side.
If this were in fact a conflict between external groups, such interventions may in fact strengthen one side over the other. But because the conflict is actually primarily an internal conflict, America’s interventions produce a backlash, making Muslims feel that they need to do more to defend their Islamic foundations and making advocates of liberal ideas suspect.
There are reasons to believe that this effect was al Qaeda’s intended goal of the 9/11 attacks. By provoking America into military action against Muslim targets, al Qaeda hoped to revive the age-old narrative of the crusading West and to drive the Muslim people into the arms of al Qaeda’s vision of a purely traditional Islamic society devoid of liberal or Western elements.
Al Qaeda did not succeed in drawing in most Muslims. Al Qaeda’s terrorist methods are seen as wrong and its vision as too extreme. The hold of liberal ideas is not easy to shake. However, al Qaeda did succeed in pulling the United States into a position in the Muslim world that has alienated much of Muslim society.
By intervening in ways that have enhanced the polarization of secular and Islamist forces the United States has also made it more difficult for Muslims to build a political space within which they can find a middle ground that integrates these elements into a more coherent whole.
As America begins to gradually disengage from Iraq and Afghanistan there is the potential for negative feelings toward the United States to begin to abate. Muslims generally perceive U.S. military forces in the region as a threatening presence designed to keep the region the way America wants it to be. Any lightening of America’s military footprint will further mitigate this sense of being coerced.
But perhaps most fundamentally, America’s relationship is most likely to improve as it comes to understand, accept and embrace the whole of Muslim society and the course of development that it has chosen for itself. Muslims believe that they are on a different path than the West . This path is central to their notion of their freedom to practice their religion. When they feel that America is threatening their religion and their aspirations, they grow resolutely hostile.
As Americans we may believe that it is not possible to blend such a form of religiosity and liberal values. Maybe Muslims will conclude this too. But only when Muslims perceive America as no longer being an obstacle to their endeavor will they be able to move forward in their discovery. And it is only then that America’s relationship with the Muslim world will become more amicable.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of Steven Kull.
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"On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong. Al Qaeda is quite unpopular."
Only because they started killing lots of Muslims.
From a new article on Pew research poll: "But the situation in Jordan and Pakistan is different. In Jordan, confidence in bin Laden rose to 60 percent from 55 percent. In Pakistan, 51 percent of those surveyed registered confidence in him, up from 45 percent four years ago."
Muslims also so extremely large numbers in support for terrorism against innocent Israeli citizens.
Now if you ask them is killing innocents compatible with Islam they will of course say no. The problem is that non-Muslims aren't innocent in the eyes of their religion, and especially Jews.
Oh, and that report was talking about a decline in support for terrorism. Most Islamic countries started with higher numbers that went down after terrorist started killing Muslims in large numbers. Those two countries were the exception.
There shouldn’t be a shadow of doubt in anyone’s mind that all muslims hate America. They live in some western countries and enjoy a safe and respectable life compared to where they came from but still they want to destroy it. Some say it openly and some in a subtle way. Like Fareed Zakaria of GPS CNN, he always tries to bring topics which warrants that America is going down (which is his deepest desire like all muslims), China, India and any other country in the world is going up. He always picked the negative side of any news to make US look bad.
WhistleBlower – Fareed is a very smart man. Remember a good mirror is your best friend. It reflects your true image, even if you are ugly & stupid!
Whistleblower – Fareed Zakaria is not a Muslim. Check up on your facts (and and review your grammar) before you start playing professor and journalist.
"cog" and "True," Whistle didn't call him a muslim. He said, "like all muslims." He was making a comparison.
Perhaps you two heroes should learn some reading comprehension prior to posting comments, eh comrades? Your scholarship is atrocious.
Fareed Zakaria is an Indian, born in a muslim konkani family.
This article failed to mention how the view is also due to America's selected Monarchs. The West had put Gadaffi, Mubarak, as well as many others in charge to keep the people oppressed. So in a way the narritive is correct, the West is trying to dominant the Middle East. Not necessarily physically, but influences certain groups.
Many Muslims love the idea of the US, however it is the fact that many Americans have drawn a hostility towards Muslim Sharia Law. It isn't because it is oppressive towards women or rules out Democracy, this is a common misunderstanding; it actually promotes woman's rights and Democracy. The issue is many mistaken cultural norms for religion. That is a big issue in the region, mixing culture and religion when they go against each other.
Nonsense Brian! While there are extremists and some misconceptions of how the average American/westerner thinks, they are not far off from the way many of the worlds governments look at their cultures as the article states.
Conversely, Americans/Westerners look at all Muslims with a broad stroke instead of realizing that the pictures we see of rallies and marchers make up only a small part of their numbers.
We have gone in and backed dictators for oil. we have allowed oppressive regimes to thrive at the cost of their people countrymen- how else should they feel given what they see upfront and in their faces?
Christian Fundamentalists are trying to wipe out Islam. They are also into getting rid of your civil liberties too. They believe that ONLY their take on Christianity is correct and they will never shut up about it or stop trying to undermine or destroy alternative approaches to Christianity. They are bigots with a smile for other Christians they intend on dragging into their faith and look of pure blood lust when looking at Muslims. It is the Christian Fundamentalists who are dragging the West and especially the US down. They want to tear down the Dome of the Rock and replace it with the mythical temple of Solomon. They are using Jews to help them destroy Judaism too. I believe, having been raised and abused by these fascists, that if they were allowed to kill people who disagree with them they would and they would say they got the okay from God himself. All you have to do is pay attention to these extremists on the Right to know what they have planned for us. Moderate Christians, for the most part, want nothing to do with them but do not have the moral fiber or courage to stand up and say "not in my name." This gives the fringe extremists the belief that other
Christians support them. They do not and they do not support anything else either. At least moderate Muslims do protest and do die protesting.
Saying all muslims hate America is like saying all christians hate Egypt. Not only false, but extraordinarily ignorant.
Sorry - not replying to you personally - but I didn't see a "Post" button anywhere. My view? I couldn't care less about whether America hates Muslims. I hate ALL relligions equally! I say "good riddance" to the lot of 'em! We don't NEED religion - we need more ethics. And stronger self-esteem as people. Then we might get somewhere.
Sorry Whistleblower, I cannot agree that all Muslims hate America. I know muslims that don't. They also happen to want to change it, just like some Christian fundamentalists. I don't think that is a sign of hate. Just that they have a different religion. One that doesn't allow for freedoms for others.
To CalgarySandy,
As a (supposed another) Canadian, I'm just embarrassed by your ridiculous attack on Christianity. Muslim defects-caused the 9-11 attacks. After much fuss and study, I'm done with considering any conspiracies. And as for fringe Christians or whatever...geez Lousie...the US went to war because 1. they were angry, and/or like scared children who wanted revenge, and 2. it bolstered the military-industrial complex. Those comments will make some Americans angry, but I see them as the true cause of launching a war in Iraq.
To believe that it's Christians who want to exterminate Muslims....holey mackerel dandy. Sure, that's right. We're dropping bibles from airplanes...not. Believe whatever you're simple mind makes you feel happy. The war(s) are about revenge, and oil. That's it. What an embarrassment to Calgary.
I am Muslim and love this country. All you arguments are now invalid.
Allah is the devil (an old pagan idol from the middle east – research it!). Muslims are ignorant people. The U.S. is naive. Hope total destruction comes soon! Have a great day!
Wow Sandy how insightful bringing extremist Christians into the mix. You have some conspiracy theory circulating around in your head eating up the common sense. These Christians are not barbarians seeking to kill those that do not except their mindset, they are only "pushy" with their ideologies attempting to save the lost. Immerse yourself in Muslim culture if you want to experience true radicalism. As for the downfall of America, now that would be the loss of "American Spirit" and hardworking initiative my parents grew up with, not radical Christians.
What decline in support for terrorism are u talking about? After Mubarak's fall, over a million people from the Muslime brotherhood in Egypt were chanting " Obama Obama we are all Osama" in Tahrir Square. The USA is going to regret not standing by Mubarak their ally who knew how to deal with those terrorists.
@will, it is easy to "lose" our "american spirit" when our government is completly refusing to do its job. and these christian fundamentalists are a bit more than "pushy." some are downright hateful.
@miriam, really? mubarak knew how to deal with those "terrorists"? the simple fact that he was overthrown is a clear example that HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL THEM. which is a thought process that has created this whole problem. its people like you that will always ensure that the muslim world will always have angry feelings toward the US.
In all fairness, most of us Americans didn't seem to have particularly strong negative views about Al Qaeda until they killed a whole lot of us.
It is true that most Americans do not understand Muslims. Our arrogance infuriates people all over the world. But to claim the Muslim community is not secular but only has internal strife is obtuse. Hiding behind the Karan to justify your treatment of the Kurds in Turkey, Iran, and Iraq is just as bad as western civilizations using the bible justify the crusades. We may be no more advanced than you, but until you realize the value of the separation of church and state, the Muslim world will not advance.
In all fairness Frank, very few people in the US had even heard of Al Qaeda prior to 9/11. It's hard to dislike something you are not even aware exists.
CalgarySandy and John R.: What the hell is wrong with you Canadians!? You and Europe have this schizophrenic penchant for socialism, appeasement, and political correctness. Much like Neville Chamberlain with Nazi Germany, the West ignores the threat from Islam at our peril. Moreover, unlike Christianity, the teachings of Islam are anathema to peace. Christ taught only peace and love. Mohammed conquered, pillaged, and murdered. The contrast could not be starker. Whether men have historically corrupted the respective religions is another question altogether.
CalgarySandy and John R.: What the hell is wrong with you Canadians!? You like Europe have this schizophrenic penchant for socialism, appeasement, and political correctness. Much like Neville Chamberlain with Hitler, the West ignores the threat from Islam at our peril. Moreover, unlike Christianity, the teachings of Islam are anathema to peace. Christ taught only peace and love. Mohammed conquered, pillaged, and murdered. The contrast could not be starker. Whether men have historically corrupted the respective religions is another question altogether.
@WhistleBlower – No, not all Muslims hate America. That statement is simply not true.
@Whistle & Kyle: Tell me the truth.. How many Muslims friends or Muslims do you know? Where do you get your info from, is it from the media? So, please first, go and have a chat with some Muslims before saying "ALL MUSLIMS", dip shixt....
I worke in the US and one thing I found out is that most americans are mostly open minded and accepting of others, the problem arrise on the lack of knowledge of other cultures, most americand are not sducated enough to understand..
is a nice way to put it I guess...
People who come to our country need to respect our culture more, not the other way around. You have things backward.
my education may not be as far up the ladder as some, but my common sense is off the charts. and i read more in one day than most college students read in a yr. just because some of us dont have that framed piece of paper on our wall to prove we can grasp what is going on around us and whats being said, doesnt mean were unable to see another persons point of view or the points of their religion. its amazing that a piece of paper on wall can make someone think those that dont have said piece of paper are just stupid, and refuse to learn. wow, lol, id expect better from some one that educated.
@ Daniel, you do need to understand the enemy.. this article is all about understanding them; it seems to me that they (Muslims) and the right-wing of Christianity in America want the same thing..I am sincerely deeply Christian and I want the opposite for both..
Daniel is exactly right!!! Thank you sir
There is a lack of education about culture on both sides of the issue. So what? America is a country of vast numbers of immigrants. We cannot be expected to learn about the culture of each of them. However, we do not see the violence and inhumane things done in other cultures like we see in Islam. Perhaps we should not judge a culture by the small percentage that do things we Americans can NEVER understand, but we were reminded on 9/11 what that small faction is capable of. I would like to count the number of Christian churches in the Middle East, compared to the number of mosques in America. For me, this article means nothing
Dr. Ruth –
It is certainly true that all Muslim men are not terrorists. It is equally true that the great majority of terrorists world-wide ARE Muslim.
Part orf the issue is that the American Muslim community is generally mute on the issue.
A question that is not being asked, much less answered:
Why aren't Muslims in this country – many of whom who are American citizens – marching in the streets, demanding that the Islamists and radcials stop killing innocents in the name of Allah. Instead, it appears that American Muslims have circled the wagons.
I'm waiting for a reply...
Dr. Ruth...to put it nicely...your spelling $uck$. I've moved around the US and Europe for years, and I never once tried to insinuate that they lacked culture or were illiterate. What you don't realize, is the MAJORITY of the world has no interest in visiting countries in the middle east.
Daniel, your view is the PRECISE cause of the religious street wars in US cities in the past, where the US Army had to patrol the streets in American cities, because the majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture. Where churches were burned and hundreds were killed.
Brilliant way to try to repeat the mistakes of history and ignore the hell out of the first amendment.
Reply to Dr Ruth: If Americans knew more about Islam, and how the Koran says to "kill the infidel wherever you find him," and how the Koran says that lying is morally acceptable when used to deceive infidels and advance Islam, they would not tolerate the invasion of large numbers of Muslims into our country, where they are pursuing their goal of an Islamic America. Ignorance is bliss. When they learn the truth, it will probably be too late.
It's just a matter of jealousy and insecurity.
FACT: All terrorists flying planes on 911 were MUSLIM, so, if the Muslim community dislikes being grouped together or labeled, here is a suggestion. DO SOMETHING, try denouncing those who killed on 911, do it in public. You won't and you know why. Another attack of any kind on US soil where a Muslim of any kind kills or destroyes will start a chain of events the Mid-east won't even believe. We don't care if you are offended, get over it.
@daniel: Yet, when we Americans travel to other countries, we expect to be treated as if we are more sophisticated than the natives of the country we are visiting. It is no wonder some countries treat us with disrespect. We treat others as if we have a superiority complex built into our psyche.
I can't tell you how much I adore the fact that your post in re: the stupidity of Americans is filled with grammatical and spelling errors. I guess most Muslims just aren't educated enough to grasp the English language.
To Jimrytown. I've been to 3 other countries, and I haven't acted at all as you describe. Just because some do has nothing to do with anything. a spurious fact at best.
I fully knew i was the foreigner and asked for no one in any of these countries to change any laws or customs to accommodate me. Even if I had laid permanent roots in one of these countries i would never try to bend them to my will.
@flyingram @drdetroit FACT: All successful terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 have been perpetrated by non-Middle Eastern Males. In fact, except for one by and Israeli, they've all been by white, Christian Males! Go to fbi.gov and see for yourself.
Who does that tell you, statistically, to be watching out for?
Dan is right. If we live with each other in peace, as is the case here in the US, there is no need to "educate" ourselves to another's culture.
Dr Ruth-
Your comment about Americans being closed minded about other cultures is a very "closed minded" argument. Americans are exposed to different cultures everyday of their life. For example, I wake up every morning to an American breakfast, Greek for lunch and Indian for dinner. I know countless foreigners who come to America and refuse to try different segments of dishes because they are only use to their home food (that's ethnocentric).
Also, your accusations are not based on facts or statistical findings. Here is something for you to research: After 9/11 how many books about Islam were sold in the United States? Compare that to how many books about American culture are purchased in Muslim societies? The truth sometimes hurt. and the fact remains- A majority of Americans are more cultured than any other society on this earth!!!!
Americans are real accepting of all who come here but why do you feel that they need to understand or be educted about other cultures. This country belongs to Americans, you come here, you learn our culture. We go to your country, we learn your culture. You need to be educted about how the world works and stop believing that yours is the only culture and everyong else must conform.
So I guess you will be wearing a face covering burka the next chance you get then? Those our their customs, not ours. So the misunderstanding is where?
I agree with Danny!
I love how American's are the ones seen as not educated in the ways of others, but we are to assume that others are completely educated, and absolute in their understanding of Americans? I find that rather absurd, and difficult to believe, and unsafe to assume all that you have stated.
You sound very EDUMACATED...
Well said flyingram, I doubt you ever will get a reply. Funny how CNN and their ilk never pursue this...
That is also the case for most muslims..they do not know or understand the average American..they hate our government and so they hate us as well.
Rowan, one of the great things about education is that it shows you how much you don't know. You say you have heaps of common sense, which, in truth, simply means that it's easy to have all the answers when you only understand the bare surface of what are actually very complicated issues. This country is full of people who consider themselves experts on politics, economics, and science based on nothing more than their simpleton observations, and people who actually know these subjects in depth just shake their heads in despair at what those people think they know.
Daniel: People who come to this planet need to have a better understanding and respect of all cultures regardless of what country you come from or which country you migrated to. Americans like you are narcissistic bigots.
Go home. Absent that, learn not to mangle the English language. If you don't like this place, leave. We don't have to respect your culture. You're here. Assimilate or go home.
On 9-11 MILLIONS of MOHAMMADENS CHEERED in their streets. If you convert to Christianinty from Islam, you are worthy of execution. What kind of religion does that? Why should I respect your religion. I do not.
@DisconsolateChimera: Looked into it...you're right. Najibullah Zazi, Faouk Mutallab, and the FedEx printer bombs never happened...our mistake. Idiot.
@DisconsolateChimera: Looked into it...you're right. Najibullah Zazi, Farouk Mutallab, and the FedEx printer bombs never happened...our mistake. Idiot.
@DisconsolateChimera: Oh, and Nadal Hassan at Ft. Hood didn't happen...
Know your facts before you spout off on things you know not.
No, it's NOTa nice way to put it. You work in the U.S. and make dollars but can't write English properly???You talk about Americans not being educated but your message here is full of errors..... isn't that typical? When you learn to speak, read and write correctly, you should come back. Check the literacy scores in the atlas and you'll quickly see that the U.S.is very literate. Not everyone here is cultured but many of us have passports and enjoy traveling to other countries. We go there to see the world and visit. We return home and share our nice travel stories. On the contrary, many people come to the U.S., work, send their money homem, live many to an apartment, don't get to see the rest of the U.S. because they're busy working to send the money home and then speak ill of Americans. Not everyone is this way but many are and this too should not be overlooked.
Americans are more understanding and aware of other cultures than any other people. Those who come to this country need to appreciate and respect their way of living. If some one gets offended seeing a female in a bikini, he does not belong here. Period.
the word you are looking for is ignorant
Funny – it's always Americans who have to 'change' to make the world better. We give money, training, supplies, military hardware, support, education, leadership... but still the people who wrote or contributed to the article, and the very basis of it's publication is that people who receive all this STILL THINK we don't accept them for who they are??? We are so open to everyone's personal philosophy, until it infringes on others' foundational rights! What bunk! All we hear about from the louder Muslims is that they teach death to anyone who doesn't believe what they do, and death to Americans period. (I get that those are from radicals...) but the simple truth is, why is this even an issue that the Muslim community is afraid of U.S. being judgmental about their religion? They don't need us to bless their religion, any more than we need them to bless anyone else's, nor do we need the Muslim community to expect "Americans" who include ALL RELIGIONS to 'recognize' their right to believe what they want? I really just don't care, and wouldn't try to change them – where do they get the idea that some people here are any more concerned about them than any other element in this life that might polarize a few people here or there. But hear this – if you believe that Muslims have the right to believe Christians should all die, there will be problems. If any Muslims survive the next 50 years thinking that other people in the world must bow to behavior expected within the Muslim community, you have another think coming. My problem right here and now is the kind of notion that we must impose Muslim ideologies or religious behavior out of respect to their beliefs on ourselves – you are completely crazy. I don't have to learn about Muslims – but their community better also leave me alone. (besides the fact that their basis is factually wrong) – but we can coexist with all but the radical nut-cases that seem to represent the loudest presence. I encourage REAL Muslims to do some PR to show the difference, but in reality, it will all be for nothing since they are all doomed anyway.
Let me say that I am an American Muslim. My grand father and great grandfather both fought in the U.S. army. Let me say that EVERYONE that lives in America does not have ancestral roots here. We all came from different places and therefore have to respect one another culture. Islam does not permit the use of violence against Christians and Jews. On the contrary it says respect the people of the book. It says to use violence only in self defense and even in that case you cannot harm woman or children and it condemns suicide. Also, for those ignorant people that say that most "terrorist "are muslim, you need to educate yourself! The word terrorist is used to loosely. I condemn the 9/11 attacks and Al-Qaeda and I openly say that! But think of all the other people that commit terrorism (instilling fear into people). There are plenty of gang members who claim to be Christian. Look at the Norwegian terrorist that killed all those people two months ago. Look at the Zionists in Israel who claim to be Jewish that committed all those atrocities. Somebody can say that they are a religion but they must be judged by their actions! I encourage all of you to educate yourself about Islam. I don't care if you believe in it, I just want you to understand and respect it as I do for every religion!
From Wzrd1
"Daniel, your view is the PRECISE cause of the religious street wars in US cities in the past, where the US Army had to patrol the streets in American cities, because the majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture. Where churches were burned and hundreds were killed."
Wizard, what on earth on your talking about? "Religious street wars"? "...majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture"?
I'm not American. I am religious. I live, with a green card, in AZ but travel the world to compare economies and cultures of other nations. In this day and age of the internet, with the ability to look up and study anything, I'm just stunned someone would be able to paste together a few characters of flotsum.
For what it's worth to anyone, I've know quite a few people of the Muslim faith, and other faiths, including atheist (not necessarily faithless, either...). Part of it is US foreign policy...we know that. But quite honestly, a great deal of Muslim hate is taught by Mullahs and clerics based upon their narrow perceptions. I've rarely met so many people who are tongue tied to give actual reasons for hating a country and yet are unable to do so. Poorly based perceptions...people in every country in the world are guilty of this. It's the reason Muslims hate the US, but it's also why the US went to war in Iraq.
Ah, who cares. 7 billion people in the world. We all hate each other. For some reason or another. Aliens could abduct all Americans, or all Muslims. In 10 years, there'd be another hated group. It's the true nature of people.
Daniel Allen - What gives you the right to tell immigrants here to assimilate? Did you forget that this country belongs to the NATIVE Americans? Your words are hypocritical.
Dear Dr. Ruth,
I'm so glad you had the opportunity to live and work in the US.
I've also had the opportunity to live and work outside the US. I am a Christian, USAF(ret), and a respecter of peoples and their cultures.
I insisted on my children learning at least one other language than our native American-English to expand their minds. With another language, I instructed them about the culture as well. I've gone as far as to immerse my children in the cultures of other countries as they learn the language. They've even attended the regular schools for the countries we lived in rather than attending DOD schools. What a wonderful opportunity to discuss cultural differences (not always taken to be negative as the word differences may infer) and seek out the logic and understanding of the said differences. With this comes acceptance of others, unconditional love, and respect.
I do NOT seek to convert others to my faith. It is my faith and that's all there is to it. If someone asks me about what I believe I will share, but not beat them over the head with it.
I believe the US government has gone way overboard through the years of our existence sticking political fingers into other people's business and stirring up problems all for the desire to strengthen the almighty dollar. I am ashamed for the way American has manipulated and violated other countries' rights through financial and political maneuverings.
I live in Mexico now and will be returning home soon. It is sad to see so many of the beautiful young folks of Mexico aping the sad trends of American behavior as seen on television programs and movies. I believe we are responsible for our cultural output as a nation and we are failing the world with the drivel we spout in these medias. The majority of
Americans are not justly portrayed on television or movies. We just want peace, comfort, and a social conscience we can live with. I see this as well for other countries our media tries to color with select news stories to incite violence or strong public opinion in the US. The 'news' of today is not much about news, but more of exploitation and sensationalization of some obscure fact to manipulate the public minds.
Regards.
We in american are tolerant of different religions, but you don't hear a christian, catholic, mormon, or a hindu scream allah
right before he blow himself and other around into pieces and telling us we are ignorant of muslim religion sorry but
we never know what the ideals of other people are.
Dr. Ruth,
As to your grammatical and spelling mistakes in your posts...it's ok. I haven't read or heard an American who can speak or write out own language perfectly! Second languages are not always easy. American English is one of the most difficult languages to try to master with all the various pronunciations and myriad meanings for the same word. I'm thankful that when I speak or write incorrectly the language of another, they don't attack my intelligence, but accept what I'm trying to do -communicate.
Again, Regards.
We're educated enough to know that Muslims can't be trusted.
I agree. Americans are generally very ignorant when it comes to other cultures and people. It's sad given the fact that the US is so diverse.
I am Egyptian christian and I love America and its open minded kind people. I chose to come here so I respect their culture. If anyone does not, then they should leave and go back to where they came from.
Look! I am a doctor now too! The interwebs make us all super edumacated!
If your culture includes the destruction of other cultural (religious) icons, the wanton murder of anyone who happens to get in your way (including your own), and the publicly announced mission to kill "infidels" wherever they may be then I need no further understanding. Oh, and you'd be surprised at how well sducated (sic) we are...
@sugpie 1953....every religion does that. Please spend some time learning about the history and religions of the world.
It's true many (but certainly not all) Americans are not educated about other cultures and many Americans who travel abroad don't bother learning the culture of the country they visit. Tourists to the USA should learn something about our history or culture but we should learn from them as well. In fact, many Americans don't know enough about our own history & culture. Many of our high school students can't name all the states on a map and many don't know who the President was during the Civil War. So first we Americans need to learn our own history & culture before we expect visitors to learn USA history & culture.
Dr. Ruth – you are contradicting yourself ... "that most americans are mostly open minded and accepting of others, the problem arrise on the lack of knowledge of other cultures, most americand are not sducated enough to understand". Regardless, of whether the country you choose to immigrate to is accepting of you or educated enough to understand your culture – as you say – YOU are the one making a choice to come here and YOU are the one who needs to respect your host country, not the other way around. Otherwise it is rude, threatening, and leads to a push back. Are you open minded, accepting, and educated enough to understand the age-old saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans"?
Daniel Allen: " I've been to 3 other countries, and I haven't acted at all as you describe. Just because some do has nothing to do with anything. a spurious fact at best."
Just become some do has nothing to do with anything. Please remember those words the next time you're about to denounce/categorize an entire religion and the millions of different people that practice it.
If you want to educate yourself about the "culture of Islam" start with history book and read about the 8-10 million Indians and Persians who were massacred by Mohammed for refusing to convert and follow their bloody trail through out the last 1500 years right up to today and the people being murdered in Africa as I type this for the crime of not being Muslim and refusing forced conversion. That's all you really need to be educated about understand what's going on.
Well, after reading all that tripe I have come to the conc;lusion that the average American is pretty much uneducated and stupid.
Clueless bafoons that chant USA USA #1 #1 while being 41st in infant mortality, 34th in Math, 38th in literacy and not even in the top 10 when it comes to standard of living. Estonia beats America.
And you people are too stupid to notice that you're not numer uno anymore. Unless of course you count starting wars.
The Christian extremists like Bachman and Palin are all around us and you bafoons cheer them on.
Dr. Ruth,
Please do not lecture us about being uneducated when you have 4 misspellings in your comment.
For all of you who want to send Muslims back home or demand that we "respect your culture", I can only ask you where I am supposed to go as a Muslim, career soldier and card-carrying member of the DAR? Yeah, my multiple-great grandaddy was George Washington's army surgeon. Does it stick in your civilian craw that I am preserving your rights to bash my freedom to religion? Now who is REALLY the better person?
i agree Dr. Ruth. some of us are not educated enough. so that is why our first education lesson being 9/11 is so problematic. if say, your first time skiing you went down a hill ran into a tree and cracked your head open, you may be reluctant to go skiing again.
also, its somewhat ignorant to say we are not educated on other cultures. your speaking to a country that was LITERALLY and still is built on immigration. what you have in the middle east are basically all the same people who follow the same religion, but want to live their lives and be governed differently. and they have been fighting about this for a ridiculous amount of time. we debate about our problems, not strap bombs to our followers chest and blow up women and children and innocents in supermarkets and office buildings and places of worship. so, who is really ignorant here?
Well put.
@Daniel Allen "People who come to our country need to respect our culture more, not the other way around. You have things backward." – So much for a "false" American to make such a statement... Dude, did your ancestors respected the Native American Indians and their way of life?!! You have the audacy to post such a comment where your ancestors (provided you are a second/third/fourth generation US citizen) practically wiped away the Native Americans because of cultural differences... So get some history lesson before you start bragging about how others shoul drespect your culture... The original post is spot on... Because you Americans live in such a big continent, you are ignorant of other cultures and how they live... It was just a few months ago where school teachers were saying Brazilians live in the Amazon jungle and they live like monkeys... This was published in local pepares and was all over the internet.. Talk about ignorance.. shhhhh
On 9/11, it was generally unpopular in a good deal of the Arab world. I know this because I was in Egypt when the attacks took place. No one I knew was celebrating those attacks, despite the fact that CNN seemed to find the few celebrations that went on and broadcast them.
Israel angers Arabs (note use of Arabs instead of Muslims) for reasons other than that which you mention. First off, from the perspective of the Palestinians, the side with which Arabs can identify, Israelis are the ones overwhelmingly killing innocent Palestinian civilians. The fact that Arab regimes used hatred of Israel to distract their citizens from questioning autocratic governance didn't help Arabs' opinions of Arabs.
Saying that non-Muslims aren't innocent in terms of Islam is the thing I probably disagree most with your statement. Only the Jihadist viewpoint, that held by Bin Laden, argues that non-Muslims are legitimate targets of violence. You're taking a small subset and generalizing that view for an entire religion. That's not okay.
sorry but your last paragraph is WRONG.
Explain please.
You fail to mention the daily rockets that the palistinians fire into Israel everyday, ALL DAY...EVERYDAY.
And Its the Mooslum country of Jordan that kicked the palistinians out decades ago. Why don't you condemn them. and why doesn't one of the large Mooslum countries over there, give land to their fellow palistinian "Brothers"? Oh yeah.....its not the right dirt.
As far as the Israeli-Palestinian issue: I really regret opening up this can of worms; it immediately sucks all attention away from the issue being discussed. So the short of it: I'm not agreeing with the view; I'm merely stating it. It's wrong and hypocritical. Palestinian militants do fire rockets into Israel and kill innocent Israeli citizens. And as far as other Arab regimes, I agree; they use their citizens' sympathy for the Palestinians to deflect criticism while consciously refusing to actually help Palestinian refugees.
But what I'm trying to point out is that Arabs view Israel as a country that kills innocent Palestinians (read almost any news report on Israeli raids/attacks, and you see that there are one or two civilians that die as collateral damage). Throw in the fact that most of its neighbors were at war with it at one point or another (I realize that the aggressors were often Arab states), and you get the current Arab dislike of Israel.
I was traveling through Pakistan just after 9/11. Being American, a lot of people who knew me, wanted to explain themselves. Each and every one of them came up with almost the same conclusion, that Osama Bin Laden is not responsible for 9/11. Common comments made during that trip was, the MOSSAD is responsible for 9/11. That happened to be my last trip to Pakistan, and promised myself, I will never set foot in there again.
But the problem is, they are as confused as anybody else. They are in denial, and most likely are still in denial. One cannot say, well it may be because they are poor. The amount of money they have spent on violence could have been directed elsewhere.
The fact of the matter is, the hatred or distrust of the United States among the Muslim world is rooted in the Palestinian conflict. Years of vetoes, and years unyielding loyalty to Israel has cemented this belief. So to tell them that some of their fellow Muslim brethren are responsible for extreme and inhumane violence falls on deaf ears.
So this "can of worms", has to be dealt with before any other progress can be made with the Muslim world. I believe Israel has it's own legitimate right to exist, and to defend itself. But Americans have protected Israel without regard to human rights or other humane needs Americans want.
The Muslims on the other hand have never openly condemned any of the violence. This in turn has tarnished their reputation for good. It will take generations for either side to mend fences and fix what has been damaged. Islam will never be a religion of peace until until all the violence it has adopted in recent years is condemned by the majority of Muslims openly.
Any form of fundamentalism has always been bad news, whether it is Christian, Islam, Hindu or Judaism.
Jake, you are the one who is wrong. You make a flat statement and you are utterly unable to back that assertion up with FACTS. Because, you HAVE no facts.
Daniel also misstates the attacks as DAILY, when it's well established to NOT be a daily attack pattern, such are easily located and eliminated! It's the intermittent attack that is successful and not easily eliminated.
But then, I have EXPERIENCE in the region, with Arabs in particular, due to nearly 5 years of Persian Gulf region deployment.
One thing forgotten is the Arab culture, one of incessant warfare between tribes until Islam, when warfare nearly ceased. But, the mindset still remains, "Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, our family and tribe against an intruder." That is not implying a warlike people, but a factual view of any potential defense against intruders, which HAS happened in the past.
THEN, we can throw the Persians into the mix... Where a convenient scapegoat is available in Israel, a matter that is not a concern of Persians, but persists, as one can blame the scapegoat for nearly anything one screws up. Yet, a nation that has a substantial Jewish community that has been there for several thousand years.
The funny thing is, many Arab nations have two court systems. One, Sharia, for Muslims. The other, secular, for things not covered in Sharia AND for non-Muslims. The State of Qatar actually sponsored and built a handful of Christian churches for expat workers, to include a Roman Catholic church. They also have a state store system so that non-Muslims (or anyone who lies on the application about religion) can purchase alcohol.
to Kar, Rowan, WZRD1 and others -
thanks for a beautiful mature discussion on this incendiary topic. If only everyone could resolve disagreements without being disagreeable. Read maggots, read – this is what discussion forums are for. Not to spew your inner garbage of hate.
If the Arabs in Muslim countries truly identified with, and cared about, and were concerned about the safety and welfare of, the Arabs in Israel, (inappropriately called "Palestinians"), they would allow those that want to, to immigrate into their countries. As it is, they deny them permission to immigrate in order to keep the feud going. So whatever troubles they have, are not the fault of Israel, but the fault of those Arab nations that are using them as pawns in their strategies against Israel.
Hey wizard. It is EVERY single day these rockets are fired into Isreal. Most are small and never hit anything, but i think about if someone was doing the same to my town. I would round em up and gage them to. A country is allowed to defend itself.
Look up a Show on HGTV about people buying houses in other countries. Try to find the one with these sisters buying a house in Tel Aviv. The show is not at all political, but the fact is, every home has a bomb shelter and every town square has a place to run for shelter when the sirens go off. Its not a paper tiger they're running from. regardless of the hand you think the palistinians were dealt, you cannot allow assault on your people like that.
Here are a few instructive verses from the Koran. Remember, this is the most holy book in Islam and all are commanded to obey it.
8:36 The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-
Inna allatheena kafaroo yunfiqoonaamwalahum liyasuddoo AAan sabeeli Allahifasayunfiqoonaha thumma takoonu AAalayhim hasratanthumma yughlaboona waallatheena kafaroo ilajahannama yuhsharoona
8:37 In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.
Liyameeza Allahu alkhabeetha mina alttayyibiwayajAAala alkhabeetha baAAdahu AAala baAAdinfayarkumahu jameeAAan fayajAAalahu fee jahannama ola-ikahumu alkhasiroona
8:38 Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
Qul lillatheena kafaroo in yantahooyughfar lahum ma qad salafa wa-in yaAAoodoo faqad madatsunnatu al-awwaleena
8:39 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu kulluhu lillahifa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allaha bima yaAAmaloona baseerun
And, for further on how to treat Christian, Jews, and all other infidels, please read here:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/009-friends-with-christians-jews.htm
That's not a call to murder; I'd put it in the same category as Christians' belief that salvation can only be attained through accepting Jesus. The Bible is no more calling for the murder of nonbelievers than is the Quran.
I've always hated the argument that Muslims don't condemn the violence.
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
Read up on some good old Muslim condemnation. It's never as well publicized as the violence and the idiots spoutting hate. I know some of the links don't work, but that's what happens over time when news websites change links. Sorry for that, but there's plenty of working links.
I lived a year in the Sinai as a part of the Multi-national Force and Observers. I tried to understand not only the plight of Israel and the Palestinians, but resolve in my mind the differences between the three main religions in conflict in the region. I left with little respect for the Arab (not Muslim) cluture, the Jewish claim to the region, and all three of the religions. They all seem to be causing chaos across the globe and each religion appears determined to eliminate the others. All have a holy book they claim to be the "words of God" yet all of the books were written by men with an agenda and constantly revised by new groups of people with new agendas. I might point out that the true victims are those of us who have no favorite mythology yet suffer the evangelical efforts and the resulting bloodshed from these three religions. I'd prefer you simply allow people to choose whatever religion they want including the choice of no religion. Let your own special gods sort it out later.
Spinoneone, you're taking anecdotal and out-of-context text and using it to justify your own perspective. That's wrong, because I could do the same with ANY other book and spin it to fix ANY given viewpoint.
Your statement "Israelis are always killing INNOCENT Palestinians" is not truthful. The IDF goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. It is the cowardly acts of H amas and I slamic Ji had who launch missiles and rockets and mortars against Israeli civilian targets without regard for the fact the targets are civilians. The IDF responds, but always tries to not hit civilians, just hit the t errorists themselves. The IDF has in many cases dropped leaflets on the ground to warn civilians to clear an area BEFORE it is to be bombed. Israel cannot help it if those who carry out attacks against its citizens then go and hide among their own women and children as a shield against retaliation.
Then come fight with us to eradicate this "small subset"...
Vorps....Spinoneone, did not take those verses out of context. They are stand alone verses. If you still insist that they ARE out of context, would you kindly put them into context for us?
@Traveler "The fact of the matter is, the hatred or distrust of the United States among the Muslim world is rooted in the Palestinian conflict."
That is utter horse crap. Muslims have been maiming and murdering anyone and everyone they're come in contact since the day they first appeared on the scene, their body count was in the hundreds of million nearly a millenia and half before the United States or the state of Israel even existed and stands as indisputable fact and evidence to the falseness of your claim.
The so call Palestinian issue is just the handy excuse of the day to rationalize the behavior of people who've engaged in the same actions against EVERYONE they've come into contact with through out their history.
ALL OF YOU...READ LARRY L...HE HAS IT EXACTLY RIGHT.
Well, Kar. In UK the ordinary, everyday Muslim communities were out in force on 9/11 on the streets of London and other major cities. Cheering, dancing and letting off fireworks.
They had huge posters of the planes hitting the twin towers in every street. It was disgusting.
i know how i feel about muslims and about islam. i think that those that attacked us on 9-11, those that continue to terrorize not only the u.s. but other countries and people of their own faith, are fanatics extremests. they do not represent the whole of islam. they are what snake handlers, and the end of the world cults are to christians. people tend to forget that every aith has these people who make the whole of the religion look bad. i do not hate muslims nor do i fear islam. i feel as long as their faith does not preach fear, death and slavery to all those who do not embrace islam, they are just like any other faith in america. and should be treated as such.as long as they realize as the christians have come to realize, they can not force their faith on anyone else. i still feel pain at the thought of 9-11 and islamic people were in that building too. there jihadists do not care who they kill or who they sacrifice. as for us being in islamic countries. i would ask that muslim people remember, we who live here in america have very little say as to where our troops end up, just as you have very little say in your country. in the end islamic christian jewish buddists and all other religions are made of of normal people with little say so who are just trying to live a life in their country the best we can. not all islamics are the same, not all americans are the same either.
Rowan -
There is a world of differnce between garden variety fringe religious groups and those who have a long track record of blowing up innocent people in nearly every corner of the globe.
The question remains – why is there no sense of outrage, demonstrations, and complete repudiation of this mass murder from American Muslims?
Flyingram, there ARE demonstrations and outraged speeches, but western media doesn't bother covering them at all.
I've personally been present for some, while I was deployed.
As for fringe groups, one can think of the Branch Davidians, with their .50 cal machine guns. We can think of abortion clinic bombers. We can think of armed Christian militias who plan for the demise of our government. We can think of the KKK, with THEIR abuse of religion "supporting" their views. Indeed, I was told by one "minister" that being black is the mark of Cain. He apparently forgot about some flood and Cain's children treading water for over a month.
American Muslims have repudiated every single act of violence. But our news conferences and essays are never reported on the news.
What difference does it make why Muslims are mad at America?
This is sort of like trying to figure out why the backwards fool down the street hates all his neighbors. No matter how innocent his neighbors might be he'll just making excuses and finding other reasons to continue with his hate and hostillty. Why? Probably because, like too many Muslims in too many cultures around the world, he prefers hate which he understands how to do over reasoned thinking which he has no real idea how to do.
Why don't the moderate Moozlums speak out against the radicals you ask? Because they fear being killed as well. you can't even draw a cartoon of Moohamed without riots in the streets as a reaction. Look up the Danish Cartoonist who was killed. His cartoon caused riots around the world. Mooslums killed other Mooslums. Then they killed the cartoonist. I saw more intelligence in the people who worshiped the big ape in the King Kong movies.
Wzrd1, the argument about the violence from Christian "fringe" groups is old. In every single instance, those acts are denounced by Christians, and the perpetrators are punished severely. But tell me where in America there are Christian terrorists training camps, and instances in recent history where Christians (not military) have gone into a foreign country and killed 3,000 innocent citizens. The terrorists on the airplanes prayed to Allah and carried through in the name of Islam. I agree that they are only a faction of the religion, but they are a formidable faction and they claim to justify their actions with their religion. Given the size of the Christian religion, there will always be people who perform horrid acts and just happen to have gone to church, thus I supposed you could label them as Christian terrorists. But I would expect you, as a veteran having served our country, to know the difference.
@flyingram....you are using the limited view media is showing you to support your argument. That's extremely close minded. But that is how America works. Most Americans have no desire to actually learn what is going on in other countries. They just take what they see as happening on the TV as gospel that everyone is acting that way. Its the same for the people in other countries. They only see the bad side of America on TV. Spend some time interacting with Muslims that live here in America. Travel to these countries and live for 6 months. You will see a different side.
We have Christian fundamentalist groups here? Do you see people standing up and speaking out against them? I do.
the "subset" of extremist moslems is about 7%. 93% are not extreme! Btw, that 7% is about 150 million people.
"Given the size of the Christian religion, there will always be people who perform horrid acts and just happen to have gone to church, thus I supposed you could label them as Christian terrorists."
BTK Killer – just happened to send taunting notes from his church, and terrorized Kansas for decades. A good Christian boy.
I thought that Pres. Obama was going to improve Muslim/American relationships. All the pundits and columnists implied it would happen. He gave the Cairo speech, remember? And now they hate us more than ever. How come no one is talking about this?
Absolutely! If there AREN'T any Muslims, there won't BE a Muslim problem...
i will agree with you on one serious point you made. you said" if you ask them (muslims) if killing INNOCENTS is compatible with ilsam, they will say NO. the problem is that non muslims are not innocent it the eyes of their religion" this is something that people of the west are totally ignorant and the liberals and muslims ALL DENY. the so called moderate muslims are against terrorism because most of the victims are muslims. if all of the victims were infidels, no muslims would be speaking out against terrorism.
Moderate Muslims want the same results as the jihadists. They're just not willing to fly planes into buildings for said results.
ill have to agree with you. but ill also ask a question. now that the "sane" muslims see how little they mean to the fanatics, dont you think they will see fit to make some changes? people do not tolerate someones foot on their neck and totalian rule for long. esp after they have taseted freedom from it.the fact is just as christianity had to change islam
will be forced to do the same. im not a christian, nor am i islamic. im pagan. we had our wars, we went thru our time of greed.but to me to go to war, to kill in the name of my God and Goddess would be an abomination. the reason? they are the creators. the soul, the divinity, the good part of me was given to me thru them. i could not put blood of an innocent (one who has not tried to harm me) on the hands of my creators..it would be like contaminating my whole faith.
If you read the Koran, you will find that the Koran does not call people who are not Muslims infidels. They call those people "People of the Book". I believe they consider Infidels to be people who have left their Muslim faith – and people who have not faith. Read it and see what you get from it.
"People of the Book" refers to Jews and Christians who are treated as 2nd class citizens in Islamic societies.
This is just not true in millions of ways: ) which always brings us to the same starting point; " the lack of knowledge about the other, yet we are so fast to judge and stereotype !!". To give an example, the church of vicinity, among others with Christians, still exist in the wholly land despite the Muslims having control of it for the last 1500 yrs!! And not to mention that Muslims are allowed to marry Christians and Jews (e.g: ex president of Egypt Mubarak! !). So it's none sense to make such a bold claim that muslims believe that non-muslims are all guilty!! Not any more than Christians believing that non-christians are "guilty" for not taking Jesus as their Savior!! Sometime ppl, intentionally or innocently, (mis)quote the quran or takes out of context! Like gentalmen above quoting. ..and kill them (infidels) wherever you find them... Which particularly talks about the time of revealing this verse when the Arabs were fighting! So the "infidels" are 1st, the Arabs, and2nd, the ones that were attacking the early Muslims, and 3rd the ones that broke the truce! And I believe that the media, whichi is in the business of bad news first, is not an adequate source of education! We don't turn on CNN or fox when we get sick,we go see a doctor, andsometimes, a specialist!!!! Well, "learning" about others is no different! !!
I'm using a tablet so forgive my spelling.
@david
You clearly are the one who does not know what your talking about. In fact, your a clear example of a westerner applying western values to what they see in the muslem world and completely misinterpreting what they see. In Islamic countries men are allowed to marry non-islamic women, because it is understood that the children inherit the religion of the father. Thus they are following the will of Allah and spreading Islam. This is also why women who marry non-muslims is considered to have betrayed islam by many in the middle east, Because that woman's children will be the fathers religion istead of muslem. I have only seen one exception to this and that is when the Islamic familly involved is very secular, such as what you might find in Turkey.
Have to assume you're being sarcastic, because it would suck to believe someone was really espousing genocide. That didn't work out so well in WWII btw.
CNN, please moderate such posts. I realize there may be a tongue-in-cheek element going on here, but most other cultures throughout the world do not understand satire, and this type of post will only serve to inflame members of such cultures.
It may hurt your feelings, but in the USA we have freedom of speech. As long as we do not breal US laws, we can say what we want to and quite frankly I don't give a rip about what other cultures do.
having the freedom to run your mouth and meaningful dialog that leads to change is NOT the same thing. In countries where they DO NOT have freedom of speech the powers that be worry about what you say, where you can say anything you want here because you don't have the power to change anything with your empty words.
I don't know about that. Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. changed a lot of things with just words and courage.
So we should censor speech because some people are too ignorant to understand the concept of satire?
shut up cnn reader . in this country [ america ] there is such a thing as freedom of speech . it does not say there cannot be any tongue in cheek involved. if other countries do not understand our humor , that is their problem ! you must be a liberal !!
You people don't get it. When you are feared you are respected. Who gives a damn if they like us. We were attacked and thousands of innocent Americans were killed. I dont give a damn if they ever like us.
fear and respect are light yrs apart. im sorry you cant see that. if i fear you, i will obey you, but at the first chance i will eliminate you. if i respect you, i will watch your back. i will listen to you,and i will be the first to be at your side. see the difference? this is why dictators dont last long. nor are they comfortable, even in luxuory.
rowan,
The Islamic world respects power and strength not the weak and powerless. I am sorry you can't see that.
A more foolish view is impossible, as it ignores human nature.
Humans NATURALLY attack what they fear and will keep attacking it until it is destroyed.
It is no coincidence that the top predators disappear wherever humans have substantial numbers, the humans kill off those apex predators.
But, we are the good guys, the peaceful and peace loving United States of America, FEAR US FOR WE ARE GOOD.
Can you be MORE un-American than that?
regardless of your definition is of fear and respect, we need to make it a very painful, expensive proposition for anyone who attacks us. We didn't go into Iraq for weapon of mass destruction, that was just to appease the masses. We went in there because we lost 3000 people on 9/11 and we had to go show strength and power in the region. So why not take out a dictator? After we invaded Iraq, Syria, Lebonon, and Libya among others knew that they could be next, and they backed off in their aggressions toward us. But thanks to the huge number of spineless wimps in this country, the liberals castrated us with all the "Where are all the Bombs?" questions. They made it to where Obama wouldn't invade another country even if it was the best thing to do. We are Impotent til he is out of office.
Fear does not bring respect. If I fear you, I'm going to find a way to destroy you.
Why is it that only Americans buy into the notion that (Muslim) terrorists crashed the planeson 9/11? Has any of the commenters ever demolished a building? EOD??? And who killed JFK again? I must ask all you experts one simple question: Who benefited from 9/11 the most? Who benefited when JFK died? Or when any significant person was assassinated? Isn't it easy to prop up a few patsies for all to direct hate towards?
cnn reader.... how about this? uh.. no! this is america. this is a place where freedom of speech is a valued thing. so valued that we send our troops to die for it. will i have it taken away because someone may be offended? no. i didnt NOT like the comment made. i found it offencive. very.. but wil i stop that person from saying anything? NO! because when i stop him, someone will stop me. then someone will stop you. and it will go on and on. until that right is forever gone. i may not like what he said, youre not going to like what im posting now. but i didnt like your post either. would i stop any of them?no.. my nation was built on freedoms like these. my armed forces died to allow me you even the one we find offencive have this right. just as i tried to explain with the patriot act. what is done to one can be done to anyone. what right is taken from one is taken from everyone. thats how repression starts. with one.no i wont see my troops die for nothing. nor the citizens being afraid to say whats on their mind.
Your correct. After spending trillions of dollars in killing muslims, what has America left with? Huge deficits and a dark future. Welcome to future.
I am a partial-Muslim and I can testify. In my Mosque in SF, in an AMERICAN city, about half the congregation in some way condones or agrees with Bin Laden's attack on capitalist America. I am a partial-Muslim because, while muslims are not all terrorists, the Qu'ran is on Al-Queda's side. But Americans need to be aware of radicals like them and stop turning a blind eye in the name of "tolerance".
You are a Hindu and NOT a muslim at all. Koran is NOT on Al-Qaeeda side at all. Stop spreading lies.
Half of them agree with Bin Laden in some way? If you are just "half" Muslim as you say, then why are you attending fringe, extremist splinter group meetings? THERE I NO WAY that even 5% of the Muslims in a typical mosque would EVER agree that killing innocent people is okay. In my mosque, there is not even ONE PERSON who has agreed with al-Qaeda .. the closest thing every said on the subject (which is not the same thing as condoning it) is that "While al-Qaeda's terrorism is unIslamic, America and its puppet states (Israel, Egypt, Jordan, etc) inflict many 9/11's every year on the Islamic world".
By the way, that is true. 200x more people died in our false war in Iraq than in 9/11, a war based on lies.
Back to the point, there is no way what you are saying is true. San Francisco muslims will likely be MORE liberal, not less.
Half agree with al-Qaeda? Not even repeated, scientific, professional statical polling show any numbers like that. You must be lying.
A partial-Muslim? Is that like being partially Catholic? Partially pregnant?
You are a bald faced liar is all that you are, making false claims and false assertions without base in fact.
Unlike you, I HAVE read the Quran. One end to the other. Every argument Al Qaida uses can be shot down by the remainder of the verse AND with Hadith.
Sell your goods elsewhere, those who know better will call you a lair every time.
Isn't that amazing Muhammed? SF is a pretty liberal city...yet %50 of people in your mosque feel that in some way Osama was justified. These people in your mosque (I'm sure) appreciate the religious freedom (as well as other freedoms) of the US – yet they still have contempt. I don't understand this... I remember talking with a "moderate" Muslim woman (at least that's what she portrayed herself as). She's successful, independent, but wears the hajib to show the world her piety. We had a nice discussion, she denounced killing, loved the US, etc., however when I asked more probing questions, I found out her idea of moderation was not my idea. I found out that "yes", she was against killing because she was incapable of it, however, she wasn't totally against the Osama's in the world killing. Unfortunately this conversation as well as other things I've witnessed leaves me with an unsettling, and disturbing view of Muslims.
Lol partial Muslim! Well you must b the 1st of your kind!! My mom used to tell me,liers always at some point expose themselves!
What is a partial Moozlum? You just want us partially gone?
Where did you get that lie? The Quran condemns violence not condones it. And Islam is a religion, not a political movement.
This guy is a Muslim who pretends to have a Hindu name. He understands, most of the people will know the posted information is a lie. He wants the general public to assume that it was a Hindu who posted because of his last name. Manoj is mostly a first name and is not a last name. If for argument sake, if the posted person is a Hindu, I would not assume that he would leave a Hindu name (Manoj ) in the Name.
Please, Muhammed, come back and explain how you can be a "partial Muslim". It is anything like being "partially pregnant"? Either you are a Muslim or you are not a Muslim - let us know when you decide to admit that you ARE a Muslim.
What's a partial Muslim?LOL!! Please stop spreading lies. No real Muslim would condone Al Qaida's actions, ever! Quran does not encourage violence nor killing of innocent people. Let's all try to understand each other and coexist. Spread peace not hatred.
Tom,
good fertilizer? In a way you're right – Muslims are fertile people and, since relationships are within marriage, birth control isn't emphasized much either. So it's a matter of time when any way you look, all you'll see would be Muslims. You appear to be white from your tone, so stay tuned, and my descendants will outdo yours in every way, because yours won't even exist (natural selection based on fecundity)
America and its bombing of Libya( over 17,000 bombs drooped one for every 350 people) the destruction of the water supply and the electricity grind in Tripoli while killing over 3,000 civilians which they were to protect is a big factor in our relations not only with Muslims but the world in general
Let's face facts JOE. It's the republican agenda. They're after OIL. OIL!!!
REPUBLICAN AGENDA. THEY ARE GREEDY AND WANT OIL! George Bush is to blame because he's... wait... I forgot, obama has been in office for a while, hasn't he. Sorry!
You are forgetting that France among other European countries demanded action from the U.S..
It's so ironic how these so called "Christian" Conservatives fail to practice the core principle of Christianity: LOVE. They are usually the most racist and close-minded of all.
That's what Hitler said about Jews.
Hope that you have the same fate as him.
Freedom of speech does not mean you can incite genocide.
ARROGANT DICK-HEADS. YOU WILL BE PUNISHED BY GOD.
That's exactly right. We will not back down from protecting Israel. Muslims before World War II did not hate Jews. They got along fine. But when the Nazi losers helped to propagate the idea that Jews were blood drinking baby killers it gave uneducated Muslims and losers like Osama Bin Laden the fuel they needed to start this fire of hatred towards Israel. The Muslim hatred of Israel does not come from Palestine and Israel fighting over territory. It comes from Germany in the mid 20th century. The fact that most people don't know that, Muslims and many Americans included, simply shows how idiotic the general public really is. This hatred of Jews has nothing to do with the war of 1967 where Israel was surrounded by armies and air force of many Muslim dominant countries. France thought Israel would lose the upcoming battle and they owed Israel a fleet of fighter jets that they wouldn't deliver because they thought they would lose. I can't stand the French and this is one reason why. Israel had already paid for these jets and France would hold them back in a time of war just so the Muslim dominant countries that wanted to wipe out Israel might get mad at them. So now France always tries to play the integrity card in war times when truly they are as devious as any country about money. France is also still yet to be downgraded to a AA credit rating which will help to tip this "non recession" into a real recession and possibly a depression. One can only hope because America needs some huge changes made and the people won't get out from in front of their TV's until the cable gets shut off. LOL.
While many Palestinians and Jews were friends before 1948, Jews were hated by many Arabs before then. Consider the Hebron massacre of of Jews in 1929, the 1888 massacre of Jews in Isfahan and Shiraz, Iran, the 1834 pogrom in Safed where raging Muslim mobs killed and grievously wounded hundreds of Jews, and hundreds of other massacres going back over 1000 years in that area.
they hate us because we back the terroristic regime called israel
No, they hate us because we aren't all a bunch of hypocritical muslims.
I really wish they'd ban religion. It's always in the way of peace.
Wrong. Israel is a country surrounded by millions of people who wish to see them dead. They have 100% right to defend themselves.
Hawaiidude:
If you think Israel is a terrorist regime, I would conclude you got hit on the head by your surfboard too many times.
Israel is the one true democracy in the entire Middle East, and it is a very reliable US ally. The majority of Americans disagree with you, and stand with Israel.
Besides the fact that Israel has the right to defend itself against unprovoked attacks, please answer this.. Why was the PLO formed in 1964, 3 years before the 6 day war? Israel never sent troops into Arab countries before that. Please justify the hundreds of terrorist attacks against Israel before 1967. They would target schools and school buses. Please justify that. Gaza is 100% under Palestinian control. Why is Israel still condemned for occupying it?
It is futile to worry if the Muslim world likes us or not. They hate each other for crying out loud. They still hate the Euros for offenses 900 years ago. Trying to get on their good side is a waste of time. We the USA should always strive to do what is right and let the chips fall where they will.
What difference does it make why Muslims are mad at America?
This is sort of like trying to figure out why the backwards fool down the street hates all his neighbors. No matter how innocent his neighbors might be he'll just making excuses and finding other reasons to continue with his hate and hostillty. Why? Probably because, like too many Muslims in too many cultures around the world, he prefers hate which he understands how to do over open-minded reasoned thinking which he has no real idea how to do.
Exactly!
I know if I was a muslim I'd hate my life too and want to ruin everyone else's. Look at the koran. It's full of hate.
@Kyle...you have never read the Bible have you? Any religious text speaks out against anyone doing what they do not think is "right." We have preachers here in America spewing hate about gays, or whatever. Don't make it out like the Koran is the only religious text that contains text that could be construed as hate.
Jeff S.. You're comparing apples and oranges. While the bible has violent pasages, they are not taken as literal anymore. Christianity has undergone a renaissance and the age of enlightenment. The Koran is taken literally by hundreds of millions of Muslims. To make my point.. Jesus was a great role model (BTW, I'm neither Christian nor Muslim). He preached love thy enemy and turn the other cheek. Mohammed was a violent warlord. He personally beheaded hundreds of men (mostly POWs) and took women and children as slaves. He is considered the perfect man and is to be emulated by Muslims.
Regardless of any of the various answers or discussion of this question, the fact is that Islam's aim is to convert the world, one way or another. We must not forget that "Islam" means "submission." That is, submission to "the will of Allah," which was invented by a merchant who specialized in slave trading. Even the moderate demands of Islam are incompatible with Western culture. Islam means to change the culture, not cooperate or "assimilate" in any form. Look for many more "Freedom Rider" type events such as those at the amusement park in New York last week. Moderate Muslims have the example of the well contrived critical theory that the civil rights movement utilized in the 1960s, and they will/are using it to "change America" even further from itself. And all in the name of "Diversity." (See George Orwell).
Bravo! Great response.
Agreed! Steven Kull's "study" is not very reliable if his lengthy article does not mention the Muslim world's hatred of Jews. America could change its culture so that it resembled Puritanism, but as long as we support the right of the Jewish people to govern their ancestral homeland, Muslims will continue to hate America. I believe that hatred of Jews is the greatest evil this world has known, certainly in the last few centuries. But we liberals have allowed this blatant racism to use the euphemism of "anti-Zionism," and we no longer raise up the moral outrage that is clearly justified. Incidentally, I am a non-evangelical Christian who has read the English version of the Quran.
It's myopic to say that all Muslims hate Jews just as it is politically incorrect to state that there are many self-loathing Jews. After reading the Torah numerous times in Hebrew, it clearly stated that the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) would arrive and that there would be a great nation from the progeny of Ishmael although there would always be a convenant with the offspring of Isaac. I mean, seriously, this hatred between any groups is pure propaganda used to control people AND create financial leverage kind of like the East Coast vs. West Coast rappers. The typical Muslim in America has complete benevolence for all of the People of the Book. Peace simply isn't profitable nor does it sell headlines.
Yea, and then in the article itself it says that many Muslims have a penchant for conspiracy theories and choose to believe that the US government is behind the attacks in the first place. So basically, when they agree that 9/11 attacks were morally wrong, they are still putting the blame on the US, and not on Al-Qaeda and its supporters, where it belongs. Very twisted but serves to convince some naive Americans that we are on the same page in regards to the basics of morality.
Actually those who openly questioned who was really behind the WTC outside of the U.S. were not Muslims or "partial Muslims" at all. Unfortunately most people seem to make their minds up on the first vitriole spewed the loudest. But again, has anybody worked in demolitions??? I'd love to hear their intellecutal view on implosions.
"Only because they started killing lots of Muslims." Why would they do that for? are not they suppose to be untolerateing ,west-hating, kill-them-all Muslims? why would they killing their own brother and sisters and kids? specially in those countries that are under attack by foreign army (Iraq, Afghanistan,Pakistan)? If i tell you human has two legs then if you see somebody with four you should automatically assume this is not human. You can not say this human has four legs. it is not your fault. Fascists and muslim-baby-meat-factory owners (fox,cnn,abc etc.) propaganda to just too strong.
Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
Many writers have stated that we need not get involved with Pakistan. However we cannot afford not to. Pakistan is the bastion of terrorism that is a constant threat not only to the US but to the rest of the civilized world. We cannot and must not let Pakistan be on its own, until we feel safe. We must however stop giving them any further aids as bribes. We must force ourselves in and take control of the lawless areas under terrorist rule. Moves such as helping the freedom movement in Baluchistan ( a state in Pakistan between Afghanistan & Pakistan and with coastal access to the Arabian Sea) will help us immensely. It will open up our access to Afghanistan from the Arabian Sea and allow us to control the terrorists on both sides of the border.
Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
We cannot and we will not rest until Pakistan's fangs are removed!
Muslims are mad at anyone who is not muslim, plain and simple.
To clarify what you are saying.. If you are not a Muslim, then you are insulting Allah(by not believing in him) and therefore you are to be converted or live as a dhimmi (a second class citizen) or killed.
You really hit the nail on the head concerning non-muslims.
God says of Ishmael (Arabs).
Gen 16:12 "He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”
Yeah... but most of the bible and the koran are a myth.
That scripture right there is nothing more than common sense they knew about their kind back then... bunch of angry camel bangers.
Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
Many writers have stated that we need not get involved with Pakistan. However we cannot afford not to. Pakistan is the bastion of terrorism that is a constant threat not only to the US but to the rest of the civilized world. We cannot and must not let Pakistan be on its own, until we feel safe. We must however stop giving them any further aids as bribes. We must force ourselves in and take control of the lawless areas under terrorist rule. Moves such as helping the freedom movement in Baluchistan ( a state in Pakistan between Afghanistan & Pakistan and with coastal access to the Arabian Sea) will help us immensely. It will open up our access to Afghanistan from the Arabian Sea and allow us to control the terrorists on both sides of the border.
the problem is deeper then we think. it was on CNN about a month ago that Obama was in talks with the muslim brotherhood . then we have politicians siding with CAIR and the push to build a conquer mosque at the world trade center. the muslim brotherhood is taking control in the recent uprisings in egypt and syria acting as a peaceful alternative . the alqeada has its roots in the brotherhood- here is the problem; the brotherhood's goal is to destroy israel and the u.s.a. do your research about the muslim brotherhood and you will see they are deceptive, acting like a peaceful group but they really deceptive. Just like that USA muslim TV station were they tried to show a tolerant side of islam- the TV station director beheaded his wife (this was in the news about a year ago) . islam teaches Teqeya which means to lie and decieve your enemy to subdue him. so we have extreme muslims and so called moderates, but the question is; since the quaran teaches submission to allah even by jihad, will the moderates obey the Imams when the time comes ?
@TrueAmerican
Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists....
Amazed to read this comment.... Not a single from amongst the 19 (9/11) hijackers was a Pakistani. Please read about the "Hamburg Cell". They were trained in Afghanistan. Pakistan has lost c. 35,000 innocent lives since 9/11 due to the war on terror. Every other day is like 9/11 for us here in Pakistan. The loss to economy is billions of dollars. Thank you for all the funding, most of which is actually re-imbursement of military expenses incurred fighting the war.
Majority of people in Pakistan do not hate USA. We have many reasons to love USA. (Al Pacino for one) We do however regret the price we have had to pay for siding with USA repeatedly. (We are no saints either) but an amazing coincidence is that each time USA had a strategic interest in the region the democratic government is toppled and the military dictator receives US blessings ($ in military aid). In 60's the U2 plane shot over USSR took off from Pakistan. Early 70's Pakistan brokered US-China dialogue. In 80's Pakistan became a front line ally of the US in the Afghanistan resistance war against soviet invasion. You already know about Pakistan-US alliance after 9/11. So during each of these events we were the blue eyed ally of the super power who backed a military dictator. (60s Gen Ayub, 70 Gen Yahya, 80s Gen Zia and post 9/11 Gen Musharraf). In the interim period when we were under civilian rule, we were the bad guys. Between Yahya and Zia..."we will make a horrible example of you" -Kissinger. Slammed with Pressler and other amendments (sanctions) as soon as soviet's pulled out of Afghanistan. Hit with US sanctions in the 90's again as we were left with no choice but to conduct nuclear tests after our arch rival cinducted first in May 98. Its so nostalgic to hear once again how evil we (Pakistan) are now that US is contemplating a pull out from Afghanistan. Like I said we are no saints but we are dissapointed that the arrogant super power ignores our regional politics and rather supports our rival. After all the sacrifices since 9/11 Obama announces civil nuclear deal with our rival. Why is extremism spreading in Pakistan? primarily because our economy is not doing well. Like any other Asian economy we can easily exceed a 6%+ GDP growth p.a. but we are criticaly energy deficient. I wish I could not feel bad when I see US assisting our neighbor with what we really need instead of the military aid. If any of you can clap with one hand then I will submit to the notion that only Pakistan is at fault.
I am a born and raised U.S. citizen and I am appalled by the majority of comments I have read here. It seems most U.S. citizens commenting here are indeed culturally illiterate and extremely arrogant. We all most definitely need to be culturally aware of others' customs. If George W. had his head screwed on tight, he wouldn't have uttered the stupid "crusade against terrorism" statement. Being culturally aware can make a big difference and it is extremely arrogant to think that individuals should only know about "their own" culture. We live in a "global village" on "spaceship earth" and we have to get along. Open your eyes and minds and learn something, people. Stop embarrassing me and making me apologize for you.
So... how about obama and libya? Want to blame Bush for that too?
How about screwing your own head on tight and learn a few lessons here... Before Bush Jr. was in office, the WTC was attacked. You know, during the Clinton administration. Then it was attacked again, before the "crusade" comment. Therefore, it's safe to say that Bush Jr. didn't start a "holy war" as you so freely imply.
People like you are why this country is during into a dump. You think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't. You are obviously uneducated and you are obviously a liberal blissfully pointing the finger at Bush as your kind love to do with the least bit of common sense. I'm so glad I'm not you. I enjoy being intelligent.
By the way, you embarrass yourself. Maybe you should stop acting like you have a bleeding heart for everyone else and learn how to apologize for your own shortcomings, which I'm sure would take a lifetime to list.
Is that you, Rodney?
Actually, Americans are very culturally aware. Other countries are very unaware of other cultures besides their own. Do you actually think that Muslim countries are aware of western cultures? They think that raping western girls (in western countries) who wear mini skirts is OK because in their country it is. Honor killings in western countries is on the rise. Do you consider this to be culturally aware? In Asian countries, their lack of awareness of other cultures is also obvious. How many mosques are there in the U.S.? How many churches and synagogues are there in Muslim countries? No, you have it backwards. Americans are quite culturally aware compared to other countries.
Art - I'm interested in your cultural competence. What kinds of things do you know about other cultures?
i do not know of any islamic country that gives equal rights to minorities that muslim citizens have. when muslims talk about their rights in usa i am totally amazed.
Shouldn't we judg ourselves by the being the best we can be & not compare ourselves to others who have different standards than we do? Why compare USA to countries that have less freedom? Why not strive to make the USA the most free country in the world & that has the highest standard of human rights? Why should we race to the bottom? People immigrate here b/c the US has a lot more freedom & opportunity than other countries & we should be proud of that & not look at as a negative. Let's strive to be a better country & not become complacent for the status quo.
You are totally correct, it is written in their quran, they read it 5 times a day or w/e. The fact that they are just blatantly denying that they don't believe in it, but will go on to say that they believe and follow everything the quran says, now that is just a lie. The quran says a lot of stuff about killing and raping women who are not muslim and are of other religions, it allows for several marriages, which muslims completely deny. I am not capitalizing quran or muslim because those words mean nothing, they are worse than the word it.
F Islam and their fake religion, I could care less if they hate us stand in line you whiny crybabies.
I think the topic must be 'why Americans are still mad at muslms'. We'll let's see There was Naser Abdo, Khalid Aldawsari, Muhammad Hussain, Mohamed Mohamud, Nidal Hasan, Faisal Shahzad, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, Naveed Haq, Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to name a few. But then, what can you expect from a left leaning CNN.
i honestly dont think all muslims are terrorists...but muslims in large numbers support terrorism and hate americans and western values...its same wherever they are...asia,africa,europe wherever...how do u know which ones are extremists and which ones are not? ...they know what is going on and still that is not stopping from immigrating to this country...their loyalty is to islam and other muslims only...not to their own country or the country they immigrated to..this might sound like conspiracy but muslims always want to force islam on local cultures...look what is happening in europe...if the local cultures oppose that they turn violent...lastly islam was spread by the sword not by he word...
Hey Chanceofflight......good try with your taqqiya. Do you want some quotes from the Quran? Show me one muslim country where Shariah is the law has equal rights for women.
Can you show me a non-Muslim country that has equal rights for women? Equal pay? Equal access to career development? Equal right to stay home to raise children if wanted?
When you denounce the Koran's provisions for killing everyone who doesn't believe as you do, maybe I'll buy you a cappucino
According to sources cited on Wikipedia, at least 20 of muslems supported 9/11, although at least 60% of muslems believed "The Jews" did it.
Don't they have 7-11's in Mecca?
very true
Of course the Muslims are not in support of the terrorists. But its a two way street. Its not like anybody (except the tea party) supports the war anymore. Everybody wants out of the middle east. The "political leaders" that made these decisions and continue to support them are in our eyes, exactly like Al Qaeda. We don't support them, so to all Muslims, don't stereotype all Americans as trying to oppress your religion, its like us saying all Muslims support Al Qaeda. These "political leaders" with their wrong decisions over and over make Americans as a whole look bad. Thanks Republicans...
The truth is that most Muslims do support terrorist acts. I don't know from where you get your information that they do not. Recent polls in several Middle Eastern countries show support ratios of between 25% and about 65% for attacks on Israel, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Americans when taken. There is a concept in Islam called tackquia (spelling?) which makes it okay for Muslims to not be truthful with non-Muslims when they are protecting or supporting other Muslims. If you don't believe this, go ask the Coptic Christians in Egypt how well they are being treated these days by the Muslim majority.
If the Muslims don't like us, even hate us, then maybe we should just open a Crusades style cleansing, up to date like. Get rid of the fundamentalist among you or you will continue to be the world's most violent and disgusting cult.
MUSLIM'S LISTEN UP:
Islam is the only major religion in the world that sends its young sons and daughters to blow up innocent people – then dances in the streets, smiling at the CNN cameras to rejoice over mass murder.
*** Muslims riot over a Danish cartoon, yet en masse – remain silent over world-wide attrocities against non-combatants.
*** In certain parts of the Muslim world, mutilation of female gentalia is tolerated, beheadings of innocent people is tolerated, women in burkhas are beaten, and seething foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of Jews is taught to young Muslim kids in madrashas.
Once upon a time, the Muslim world stood at the pinnacle of achievment in mathematics, science, engineering, the arts, etc. No more. The Muslim culture has subjected Muslim people to centuries of decline - to say nothing of killing your own people for not embracing the wahibists' beliefs and practices.
Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry about dishonoring the Prophet Mohammed and Allah's teachings.
Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry about the rising tide of fear and restrictions that your presence throughout Europe invites (i.e., the "Islamifcation" of Europe).
Dont't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry instead about the beseighed Jewish state that will never stand for being pushed into the sea - as the madman from Tehran as repeatedly threatened.
Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Get your own house in order by rejecting the 15th century backwardness and ruthless thugs you have running many Muslim countries. Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia, Yemen and Syria - I hope and pray are only the beginning of working to return a great religion into the 21st century so that you are, in more than word alone, "the religion of peace" (as Bush and Obama have said).
I disagree with the tenants of this story. I detest the abominable distortion the free press takes with interpretation of fact.
And ofcourse Israel does not consider Palestinian as human and kill eveyone (women, children). Making life miserable by occupying land. If Israel just leave the occupied land there will be peace. Or only if America stop its aid then next month there be peace. Israel also knows by population it can not absorb palestinians. Look at the people lives on settlement and Palestinians life outside those settlements. Look both sides.
Because America Supports Israel and Israel does not give Palestinians their state
I love America and hope that can change
WHO CARES!! So the muslim world is mad at us. WHO REALLY CARES? I hope it's a long hate cause the feeling is mutual.
Bravo
Troll alert!
Sunni islam was the Islam of learning, science, and tolerance that made all the great breakthroughs in the past. Shi'Ite islam has, however, become far more popular and displaced Sunni islam in a large part of the arab (and persian) world – Its popularity can be attributed to it being tailor-made for uneducated, violent people who are social regressives. Shi'Ite islam is actually very similar to the Baptists among American evangelicals, which may explain the animosity between them and Shi'Ite Islam..
Oh Allah, The Greatest protector of the universe, The One and Only Creator of mandkind, The Creator of Sun and Earth, The Great Manager of the entire universe, The sole Creator of haven and hell fire, continue punishing US for invading Iraq, Afganistan and bombing Libya for you are The Almighty and Creator of the entire universe. The blessed Ramadan is over with billion of muslims all over the world praying for your mercy and protection from being supressed and opressed by the super powers, NATO led by US. Oh Allah, sent your military to US to stop them from bombing muslims countries as well as weaker nations. Show USA and NATO your powerful military, earth quakes, hurricanes, flood, fire and Your might since they are defiant of Your existence and your Power. Destroy these nations and all their agents, spies, informers and individual for helping US and NATO in bombing weaker nations and for turning wealth as their god. Oh Allah, The Great Sustainer of the universe, grant our prayers for you are Al-Mutakabbiruun, Samiiun and Basiirun. Oh Great Helper, help us in getting rid of evil doers for You hear our soft voice prayers asking for your help. Wasallahu 'ala saidina Muhammad, wa'ala aali saidina Muhammad, subhaana robirobika robbil izzati amma yasifuun wa aakhro da'waahum anil hamdulillahi robbil aalamiin. Amiin, Amiin Ya Robbil aalamiin. Recite this prayer 40 x.
Allah is an infidel!
Thank you Brian.
who cares what muslims think?
Why am I a 'bad guy' or a 'bigot' for adamantly and openly opposing a group of people who's core belief is to subjugate me to their way of life by force or be put to death???
If you aren't outraged by islamist's stances on enacting sharia law, you are either one of them or not paying attention.
Take a deep breath, the world is what it is. The only thing America needs to do is put a stake in the ground. Walk with us or not. If the choice is not, that's ok, just leave us the hell alone or face the consequences. That also means our leaders have to be willing to to walk away from bs fights, ie Afganistan. We don't need everybody and everybody doesn't need us.
LOL...Muslims don't hate jews or christians. I have many muslim friends and they do not hate me.
They, like myself, do not approve of Israel policy towards arabs. I suggest that you read therecent wikileaks on Israel to get a better prespective. Most jews that live in muslim countries live pretty peacefully.
In fact Muslims refer to Jews and Christians as 'people of the book' meaning they worship the same god and believe in their holy scriptures and message ie Moses and Jesus.
Lets stop blaming world hunger on muslims and trying to tag the world against them.
There are plenty of facts supporting that Muslims don't particularly care for Americans. I've been to the Middle East and seen this. But there are plenty of Europeans that don't like us either. Have you ever wondered why? It is becuae we are not even subtle when we tell them that our way is the only way. The fact is that we have no respect for the many hundreds of years that their culture has endured. Check out the CIA involvement in placing Noreiga as a rebel leader in Central America. Is it surprising that some of the nastiest leaders in the middle east were also supported by the CIA & the American oil companies? Do you know anything about Iran-Contra?
Actually, innocent means innocent. Muslims see others as deviating from the true path, but not true criminals. To fight their warriors to bring the people into Islam is considered righteous, but to kill the unarmed, the women and children, is a heinous act
American has suffered from Muslim hatred ever since they started siding with the Jews (Israel) at every turn. 3 oil crisis, countless wars, trillions of $'s wasted, all for a friendship (U.S. and Israel) that is so one-sided it is a disgrace. One day, some of the American political toadies who have steered the U.S. in this direction will be tried for treason.
This is not the land of Allah. Do not try to change our land with Sharia law to match your backwards religion. This is already going on in England as well as other countries and is failing miserably.
We feed, they breed.
Really? Pew research? You may as well say "I have no interest in facts." They did a study on who has confidence in Bin Laden? Like he's a politician, or something? What a contrived, useless poll.
The problem is not religion, but America's support for Israel and thus far, America's support for oppression/occupation of Muslims in Palestine and Israel. That's the real problem, not religion.
2000 INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED ON 9/11.
BUT, HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT MUSLIM CIVILIANS WERE KILLED BY AMERICAN WEAPONS?
DO AMERICANS FEEL SORRY FOR MUSLIM CHILDREN AND MUSLIM CIVILIANS? IF NOT, THEN WHY NOT?
IF NOT, WHY DO YOU EXPECT US TO FEEL SORRY FOR YOU?
RESPECT MUST BE MUTUAL. YOU LIKE US, WE LIKE YOU. YOU DON'T LIKE US, GO AND F YOURSELVES YOU DIRTY RACISTS.
leave the USA TONIGHT!
If the world attacked an more powerful Alien race, killing perhaps several thousand of their kind in their home-world, without first trying to negotiate, what do you think would happen?
I know we'd get annihilated.
The world learned the cost of "Total War" is "Total War", in WWII.
No it's not right, the whole thing, from the first mass attack to the latest is not right. To make it right, we must all be 100% right, God doesn't accept anything less.
So get yourself 100% right before you start trying to put yourself in place of God.
Respect is EARNED, not demanded. How can the world respect a code or religion that preaches that respect is to be demanded?
Jihad is significantly about improving the self. Have you and your people forgotten?
Salaam alaikum.
Um, what race is Islam again?
Absolutely. Peace, justice, mercy; All of these are for Muslims only. Anyone on their s#it list (like Israel) is fair game for torture, terrorism & whatever else they can think up.
Why Muslims are still mad at America. All this "It's not me, it' al Queds." is a ruse, a ploy, the red herring. It is all of islam that wishes to eliminate America and Westerners. The sooner you realize that, the sooner we can end this Jihad thing (by elimiinating them before they eliminate us because that is the only way a Jihad ends).
You know the holocaust did occur. And it is also true that Muslims were massacred in Croatia. A couple of hundred thousand people were killed in tribal violence Rwanda.
It all 3 cases U.S. money and U.S. lives were lost (or at least on the line) to protect civilians.
You know, mass killing occurs, we should not deny it.
The leader of Iran is not correct to deny the holocaust, and everyone (who worships God) should call him out on it.
Bin Laden was behind the 911 massacre, he was an international criminal. The U.S. had no choice but to respond. I am basically a pacifist, but when cornered I will defend, and I remember thinking at the time of 911, we have to fight to defend ourselves because they are attacking us at home.
The response to many genocidal acts, is often genocidal. But it is important to realize that Bin Laden did not offer any credible negotiation stance, and his methods were themselves "Total War" which can only require a response of "Total War" right back at him. By Al Quaeda's own official statements, killing tens of million of U.S. citizens would be ok, in order to get the U.S. to acquiese to all demands. Meaning, if Bin Laden had nuclear weapons, he would have used them immediately, he would have used them in the mid-90's.
Recently, in Libya, Colonel Gadaffi said there would be no mercy on the people in Benghazi. Well look what happens when you force people into a corner and give them no other way to respond (because pacifists would be hung along with the perpetrators) you can expect a quick defeat.
If the Taliban rules Afghanistan (so be it) has been my position and the position of a majority in the United States. I was okay with Afghanistan being 100% muslim territory, and I am still ok with it. As for the first Gulf War, if the people of Kuwait hadn't been on T.V. pleading for help (and they were), I would not have been for the first war.
As far as I know our guys were only in Kuwait to help out a people under occupation from a hostile nation, and after the war (as before) oil was traded at market price. And Kuwait and Saudi Arabia still have national control over their oil fields, meaning they have always been the ones who decided where the money goes.
Right now oil sells for an economy killing price, but if the United States or any other nation attempted to cease that oil, it would spark heavy civil unrest in that country (worse than Vietnam) and would cause dozen of other nations to tak arms against that country.
Oil can sell for 1000$ a barrel (and given the true value of the dollar it may sooner than later), the U.S. and all other nations will simply have to accept that and find a peaceful alternative (because that is the best way to go, and the correct way to go, by any law). And as Christian U.S. citizen, I want it to be that way.
It is also true that Islam is responsible for the greatest holocaust in human history. It occurred when the Delhi caliphate existed in India and is responsible for the deaths of over 80 million Hindus over the span of a few decades in an attempt to forcefully convert the population to islam. One caliph even ordered that 1000 Hindus be executed every day for an entire year and it was carried out. To this day there are muslems in Pakistan who look upon that act of barbarism with pride.
You bring up Israel...interesting. US support for Israeli occupation of stolen Palestinian land is probably the biggest reason why Muslims, and a lot of other people, hate us. We are seen as hypocrites in the eyes of the international community, and for good reason.
True, Mr. Zakaria is smart, intelligent, and knowledgeable but NOT the least naive or even a liberal in the general sense. Liberals like Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, Tom Freidmann etc. generally fight for freedoms for all peoples, especially the minorities even at the cost of being insensitive to the majority as well as all other minorities (e.g. 9/11 controversy). At best these liberals are naive and a have a totally unrealistic & skewed view of the world.
On the contrary my former countryman Mr. Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim, and like the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims in the world he hates America, Israel and the entire free world, and believes that the entire non-Muslim world is ganged up against Islam. He fights for almost every Muslim cause in the world be it Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, Kosovo, Bosnia etc, and also just as his ilk all over the world NEVER EVER FAILS to connect Muslim discontent (incl. American Muslims) with every other real & perceived inequality against Muslims anywhere in the world, e.g. Burka ban in France, Minaret ban in Switzerland, opposition to GZ VICTORY Mosque, enhanced interrogation of terrorists, security checks at a/ps etc. etc. He has FAMOUSLY SAID several times that EVEN AL-QAEDA’s hatredness for America is due to our policies!
What happened man ? You seem to be upset about something. Did the dowry not suffice your needs ? Its alright, take a pill I am sure there is another way out, like a 7 eleven or a gas station.
Five years of studying and this is what he came up with? I certainly don't have his expertise but I would consider how the West has always interfered in the ME even before it was carved up by the Sykes-Picot agreement between the UK and France. How the state of Kuwait was created just to steal an oil lease. How tha Palestinians were kicked out of their country by the Balfour agreement. Does anyone really wonder why the Muslims don't trust the West? As a Western American, I am apalled by the US blind support for Israel regardless of what is fair, just and legal. Of course the US has precedent – the trail of tears. At least the US is consistent in it's oppression in pursuit of national interests. Of course no US politician can criticize Israel. It would be political suicide. Want to cut the deficit? In 2010, the US provided Israel almost 6 billion dollars in aid and loan guarantees over the table. Who knows how much under the table? This is why there will never be peace in the ME. Too much risk of lost revenue. Can Israel survive on its own economic merits without US taxpayer money? It is ironic that the British started all this and the US takes the hit.
Islam has been waging uninterrupted war against non-Muslim groups for literally thousands of years. "Jihad" has become a major part of their society values. There are 3 types of Muslims: those who kill civilians with terrorism and justify it by their religion (the smallest population); those who openly claim that this is wrong (a small group), and those who say nothing about it. The last group are the largest and most quiet of all. They either indirectly support terrorism, or are too afraid to openly criticize it, or simply don't care. In any case, their silence and lack of outrage over the hijacking of their own religion enables what is going on.
Survey the major religions of the world. Study those who have moved into the modern century in their own base countries. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and others have meshed with modern society. They have embraced capitalism, democracy and human rights. Islam is hundreds of years behind. Sharia law still calls for stoning women, lashing men, cutting off the hands of criminals, and violence towards non-combatants of competing religions. Name the number of major religions on the planet that do not allow women to show more than their eyes in public, not leave home without a male escort, and not drive automobiles or freely attend school. The count comes back as ONE.
For all the complaining about fundamental Christians, name the last time one strapped a bomb to himself/herself and killed innocent people. Keep looking...we're all waiting.
Now find a story about a Muslim who has done the same. The press is FILLED with such stories.
Then grow a set of proverbial testicles and ask why. Is the press just picking on Islam and only printing stories about Muslim extremists? Are they simply ignoring the throngs of Muslim leaders speaking out AGAINST terrorism?
ONE religion today is producing the overwhelming majority of terrorist criminals throughout the world today. Anyone who says that all Muslims are terrorists is a fool. Anyone who denies that Islam produces believers who are responsible for the most acts of murder justified by religion in our century is a bigger fool.
Until Islam fixes its OWN problems from within, it has no absolutely no right to claim to be "mad" at anyone...but itself. But as we've seen, if we are waiting for Muslim leadership to hold its own responsible for terrorism and murder, we have a long time to wait.
.there are Muslims and non Muslims all over the world and within American society who don't approve and agree with American foreign policy and their double standards toward other nations and this is the sole reasons America is hated around the world...they are seen as oil thirsty bully and etc....it has nothing to do with religion.
It must be said again.
"At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion."
And it is this majority whose beliefs are entirely incompatible and irreconcilable with a western secular culture. These are the muslims who are dangerous to a progressive, tolerant, secular, and free state. These tend to be the muslims who play the victim card the most, who protest the most, who call for the destruction of the secular state the most, who hoot and holler when their beliefs are criticized, who support the EXECUTION OF CARTOONISTS AND JOURNALISTS; all the while enjoying the benefits of that same secular, liberal, free state.
The irony reeks as heavily as a dead animal on a hot highway: That these muslims who hold these beliefs, use the benefits and principles of the free society to destroy that society and replace it with a THEOCRACY.
Is the core assertion of the article's author that Muslims have always hated US? And, that it is not a recent development, therefore Muslims will continue to hate US no matter what???
It seems it is innocent Americans who have been victimized by the longstanding sentiments behind 9/11, rather than Muslims. Who are the victims when thousands are slaughtered over a perceived insult?.
Sunni fatwa no. 107166: " Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is."
Regarding politics: "The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah."
To be a good Muslim, one must be anti-democracy, ergo anti-American.
Thank you for conceding your opinion to us as it matters a lot or atleast in your world it does. The "muslim dismay" if you may call it is a moral imperative to the covert operations of American agencies in order maintain enslavement of the world.
The fallacy of your argument is that you assume muslims are the "bad guys" like the "communists" have been potrayed as filthy barbarians by the American media, politics and capitalist thugs to protect their interests. Maybe you should start reading into facts before dumping so much cynicism in one paragraph.
As for the "innocent Israeli citizen", israel recognizes every Israeli citizen as a "reserve" and trains them likewise. This makes innocent and israeli oxymorons, just like yourself and information.. Have a good day
No, they mostly do not support terrorism, they are of peace religion. Only jihad.
If muslims or anyone else is mad at America, the exit door is open. Please leave.
The issue would be alleviated if more Americans were respectful and open towards minorities. This country is founded on immigrants.
I don’t see Muslims standing up and saying terrorism is wrong , jihadists are wrong Osama was wrong , we want the Jews to respect us and would like to be friendly to them …Show me that before I should care that Muslims are un happy with America.
How about you grow up first ?
Thay can all go straight to hell
I had Muslim co-workers who, when 911 occurred, pointed a finger at me and said, "see what we can do". Prior to 911, some of these same people claimed they were converted "Christians", but quickly converted back to Muslim on 911. They would explain to me that America was stealing their oil. They would also claim that they will never forget the Crusades. I would hear other people in other areas of this country tell me the same story about Muslims exclaiming "see what we can do". But I am told by lawyers that this is just a part of diversity that we have to accept.
Yet throughout the last Thousand years (since AD 79) the Jews were protected and given shelter in Muslim/non christian Countries around the than known world.
9/11 was an act by criminals who happened to be muslims just like the Italian Mafia/IRA happens to be Catholics. The Jewish terror groups eg. J.D.L. & other extreme jewish groups happen to be Jewish.(Other extreme groups like the American Terrorists KKK, "teaparty", etc. happen to be christian). Does that mean all Christians/Catholics/Jews are bad and that their religion is evil???? NO. It is people not religion that kill and commit unspeakable acts in the misguided belief that their religion requires them to do so.
Right, Brian. The article writer also completely ignores the correlation between those advocating Sharia and a more-or-less strict interpretation with the Koran, with the imperialist nature of Islam itself. The Koran and Hadiths are quite clear that nonbelievers, even those of the book (Christians and Jews) are to be converted or dominated.
So, it's NOT OK for the West to spread – but it's perfectly OK for Islam to spread including it's control of not only religious life but secular life as well.
Interview the losers in any struggle and you'll get similar responses and gripes. But frankly, if anything, the west is Too tolerant of Islam and it's clear goals.
OK everyone, question of the day:
Please list here all the things that the Muslim religion has done to improve the quality of life of it's adherents:
1. Ummmmm.....
if you believe all muslims hate america and are out to get us, you are no less paranoid than they are. in the U.S., we have small groups of people, mostly this "Christio-American" group of conservatives who are paranoid and angry about muslim presence. i equate it to the KKK. you think they are out to get you, taking away your freedoms and your ideals, but in reality they are just another group of people living as the species human on earth. and on the opposite side you have the EXACT same belief about americans coming from Islamist extremists. two groups of extremists, with moderate sensible people in the middle who's boring opinion of people generally being good and not wanting to kill eachother is overshadowed by the juicier story of all the nut jobs and how much they hate eachother. i dont buy it. my muslim friend and i can get along just fine when we sit down and have a common conversation.
Yet for the past 1000 years since AD 79 the Jews were protected in Muslim / non christian Countries of Asia/Africa.
9/11 was an act by an outlaw band of Criminals not by Islam on the Americans. These criminals just happen to be Muslims. If you were to look at other criminal groups like the Mafia,IRA,JDL,RSS,"Teaparty" etc. whose members are Catholics,Jews, Christians and Hindu's. Does this mean that all Catholics, Jews, Christians, Hindus, follow an evil religion??? No. It is not religion that causes people to commit horrible crimes in the misguided belief that their religion causes/requires them to do so.
The Muslim populace should leave our country or be forced to do so. They have no place here. This is a Christian nation; and our culture is more important than theirs...why is it that we do not stand up for our culture? Muslims are not peaceful and will always cause problems...muslims burn Christians.
listen there is no reason for a five year study. what Muslims are mad over is the cultural change that is happening over the Muslim world as a direct result of globalization. why they are angry about is the fact that their children are walking around dressed like men. what they angry about is the lack of concern in the younger generation about religion and moral beliefs. Westerners always say that the Muslim world is stuck in the past, but if you listen to what the Creator says in the scriptures you can see that women are of a great value and what do you do with valuables you keep them in a safe place where thieves cannot get it. so if Abraham was going to kill his son because the Creator told him to and we praise Abraham, then why do you attack Muslims for wanting follow what they scriptures say not only the Quran. Is it not rotted in the old scripture that women should be covered to a certain degree. so when you tell the young that they are stuck in the past if they follow God's commandment we have a problem with that. When you try to push a certain image of "current" or "standard" upon us which goes against what God has told us through the Bibles and the Quran we take that as an attack to under mind God's religion. Its not America that we have a problem with, its the corporations whom are pushing their products for profit without any thought as to what consequences it will have on the human race.
Just wondering why America has all the problems when Christians and Jews are killed often in Muslim countries for their beliefs. We go after terrorist and their supporters we do not target a religion just because. I believe there are many more Muslims living comfortably in America then Christians living comfortable in all Muslim countries put together. Not to mention the treatment of women in oppressive Muslim societies, as a father of 2 daughters I hope the Muslim world and beliefs do not continue to grow.
The roots of problems are not religion, the roots of problems are power and Money. Nowadays most people inculding some muslims and non muslims use Islam and other religion as weapons and tools to kill inncent people in the name of Islam or other religions. Islam is a beautiful religion. Go to the source and gain knowledge and remove the hatred and never let those people to succeed and win.
I agree with this 100% The definition of innocent varies on who you talk to. They say they are against hurting innocent people but if their daughter strays away from their religion she is not innocent, she deserves to die. This is called an "honor killing"
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It's amazing to me how you see things with only one eye. I don't want to defend anybody here but you can not judge people and you didn't live their experience or what certain things mean to them. So, please don't say this group of people are innocent and the opposite are not..
so whats your point? jews are innocent? most of them are, except those (zionists) who vow to do the same to muslims in israel and palestine as was done to them in europe. Good article
It seems some of my posts do not measure up to CNN's interpretation of freedom of expression.
"Now if you ask them is killing innocents compatible with Islam they will of course say no. The problem is that non-Muslims aren't innocent in the eyes of their religion, and especially Jews."
This is only true for those who hold a distorted view of Islam. I have done more tours in the Middle East than I care to recall dating back to DESERT SHILED and in that time I learned a great deal about Islam and Muslims.
When Mohamad created (for lack of a better term) Islam he was seeking a return to the true religion of Abraham, the Abraham of the Old Testament and the Torah. He believed that Jews and Christians had strayed too far from God's path as revealed through Abraham's teachings. I can't recall right now if it is in the Qur'an or a Hadith but it talks about "Children of the Book." The bottom line is this, if you believe in the God of Abraham, you are NOT an infadel and should be treated with respect and dignity. Unfortunately, it's not really working out that way.
Islam is not compatible with democracy. Christianity has struggled with democracy itself. Slavery never would have happened without the blind consent of the church. Witness their wholesale mistreatment of generation after generation after generation of gay and lesbian Americans. Americans fell face first into the trap that Al-Quada meticulously created to further turn the tide of Muslims against Christianity. This perceived hatred of other religions works both ways.
The same could be said for some radical ultra orthodox Rabbis in the illegal Israeli settlements, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, and fundamentalist American clergy like "Pastor" John Hagee, founder of his Christians United for Israel. Hatred is hatred, no matter the source.
Regarding the Muslim view that the West seeks to detach Muslims from their faith, is it not a basic tenet of Islam that the duty of every Muslim is to try to establish Sharia throughout the world? (And thus detach the West from Christianity or secularism?) It seems that the Muslims are merely projecting their own beliefs, in reverse, upon the West. It appears to me that the anger of Muslims is based on their not well founded assumptions about the West, not on anything that the West has actually done.
I am a Christian but do understand why Muslims hate America for the biased and dubious roll they play in ME affairs. Basically, America has for 60 years acted as a dishonest broker, they pretend to be a fair unbiased intermediater between Israel and Palestine. Muslims have had enough....they choose to fight back taking their fight for a fair deal to the heartland of the USA. You take an unbiased look and ask, who terrorizes who?
Ah, but majorities of muslims favor democracy and freedom of religion...and, majorities of muslims think muslims shouldn't be able to convert from the muslim religion.
Um, what's wrong with this picture? Hint: they believe in freedom of religion...as long as everyone is in their religion. Otherwise, you're in a very different category. In every islamic country, other religions are treated like dirt - presuming they are allowed to exist at all.
The cult of islam needs to get its head on straight. And if majorities of muslims are angry that the U.S. doesn't support them when they try to dominate any population to weak or stupid to defend itself, tough.
from the article...
Overwhelming majorities endorse liberal principles including that the will of the people should be the basis of governance, government leaders should be chosen through free elections and that there should be full freedom of religion.
At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion.
Muslim hate America, because it has different rule for different people. It believe in democracy, but reject the election of hammas and Islamist inalgeria. there is no election in saudi, uae, jordan, but it has concerned about election in Iran where there is some democracy. In the UN it has veto 41 time in favor of Israel, you it believe in election it should not use veto to abstract the will of world. and respect the World authority. CIA agent killed two ISI officer in lahore it want freedom for his life, like mulmis does not have blood in their vain. It favor mujahedin in Afgan to become supper power, but after its interest fulfill, mujahedin name changed to Terrorist. It has count how many American killed in Iraq and Afganistan, but what about iraqi and Afganis. In their new 2700 people killed in Syrea but there is not count of death in Libya. We believe in Islam which believe that we should follow the instruction of Almighty to gain susses in this life and second life after this world. and all our deed surround on this concept, you have choose this world, don't impose your rules on us.
It seems to me that Islam is a paternal organization. Men being the protectors of their women and their faith. "THEIR women" Power does not relinquish easily. We are pushing equality and the men of Islam aren't buying. This may be a tough road as it seems all men of Islam would rather die than to share power with their women.
hey george, i hate to be the bearer of bad news but most faiths dont get the equality issue yet either, esp. in the south. islamics as far as i can tell are worse but the women being a less person is still there. it seems that men feel the need to control women on all fronts. i dont understand it. the only religion ive seen where the woman is not only equal but sometimes above a man is in some pagan faiths. where there is a god and a goddess to be worshipped. and needless to say im a pagan. im not above my mate, but he isnt above me either. the decisions are made between us. if one cant be reached then the person with the most experience with the issue makes the final decision.and lets not forget in some asian countries its still tradition for the woman to walk behind the man. as long as there are only gods and no mention of the divine female are in the faith, the situation will not change.
The Apostle Paul said that in Christ there is no male nor female. That implies equality.
The Hindu religion has both gods and goddesses and let me tell you: there is no such thing as equality between men and women. There is no equality between all kinds of people there. In China, there is no religion by law and there is no equality between men and women. Men want to control women as property all over this planet and religion is just a very popular tool to help achieve that.
Men are controlling due to nature. Let's not forget we aren't above animals. We are animals.
Religion or not, the control factor would still exist. People would simply make up another mythological god to use as an excuse to be human.
Interesting opinion that is not borne out in fact of observation. Consider Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, Iran, all have women in government, women working, women driving even women politicians.
What you speak of are a small number of Arab nations and some really bizarre African nations.
Muslim is a religion and it is no more paternally oriented than Christianity. As a matter of fact they believe in the same God and their religion has the same roots just a different spin.
Allah is not the God of Christianity. Allah has no son. The God of Christianity gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him might not perish, but have everlasting life.
Who can really blame them when we see the results of female dominate Government in the West? Regardless of the token white males here and there, the West is Feminized. This is the leading reason why it is also broke and crumbling. I don't agree with Islam in general as my other post clearly shows, but you are using an obvious argument that is easily rebutted on many points. Not all traditional wisdom is wrong.
We have never had a female President of the US, and our country is drowning in debt - over $45,000 for every citizen, and $.42 of every dollar that the federal government spends is borrowed. You should allow your opinions to be influenced by the facts.
terrorist....
So, is the answer voting for a woman? Last I checked, women are humans as well. Sorry, but gender has nothing to do with debt. That's a horrible argument you're attempting to make. Seriously. If you think you have something magnificent to retort with, let me give you some names to play with:
Nancy Pelosi
Michele Bachmann
Sarah Palin
Care to make another point?
Politics makes women grow male genitals. Just look at Bill Clinton's wife.
Who can really blame them when we see the results of female dominate Government in the West? Regardless of the token white males here and there, the West is Feminized. This is the leading reason why it is also broke and crumbling. I don't agree with Islam in general as my other post clearly shows, but you are using an obvious argument that is easily rebutted on many points. Not all traditional wisdom is wrong. More subtle thinking is required.
George Thorn, You are wrong. This is not called islam but just pure culture. Islam gives men and women equal rights. Go to the source and gain knowledge. Shotting people is easy but curing them very difficult.
Unfortunately, Islam and the west are two parallel lines that are destined never to meet because Islam is too big a phenomenon to be reduced to a bedroom or worship house affair. No apology!!! You guys can go to blazes. Your aspersions cannot change anything. Islam has a distinct way of life. The west may struggle hard to make a demon out of Muslims. It doesn’t really matter if light and darkness remain at loggerhead for eternity.
Not entirely true, unless you want to claim that Muslims are a different species, mentally, than the rest of the world.
Islam and the west meet exactly when large numbers of muslims, like yourself, abandon their homes, societies and cultures and come over to the west to share in its progress and prosperity and, yes, freedoms.
People like to have food, a roof on their head, and eventually the latest technologies and the right to choose what they want to do.
You cannot change it, friend, people like not to have shackles, religious or not. So we will change the definitions embedded in our religions to make it agree with what we want to do.
Christians do it. Muslims do too (and have *always* done so - contrary to popular belief, Islam was way more flexibile and understanding than Christianity was until relatively recent times, when, for some bizzare reason we've regressed).
The problems you see are not islam vs. non islam - its just two groups of people getting to integrate. A thousand years ago, Islam ruled supreme both technically and in terms of proposperity and envious Christian terrorists attacked Jerusalem. Now the tables are somewhat turned. History is ever changing.
"Islam was way more flexibile and understanding than Christianity was until relatively recent times...."
Really???
In modern-day Turkey (the birthplace of the Christian Church), how many Churches are still there? All but a scant hand-full have been destroyed, or turned into mosques.
Where's the "understanding" of which you speak?
They come to the west for Dawa and jihad.
Also, the crusades were a reaction to Islams taking of Jerusalem.
I think that if you will take the time to search the history books you will find that the Moors from North African coast were busy invading the southern stretches of Europe eventually moving as far north as parts of Poland. The only way to counter this is to go on the offensive. In more recent times, say about 1801, the Moorish Pashas of the Barbary Coast States, an extension of the Ottoman Empire, declared war on American shipping. After Great Brittain, the Muslims are our oldest enemy. However, we have patched relations with Great Brittain, but I doubt if we will ever see a day of peace out of Islam.
how profound... not really... why dark and light? that's biases.. how about green and blue
Light and darkness are apt. Jesus said "I am the light of the world." Muslims reject the light of the world, leaving them in darkness.
Jesus also said he'd return in the same generation as the followers he was preaching to according to the bible. Here we are two thousand years later and people are still thinking he's going to return.
lol
So much for being the light of the world. Both religions ARE darkness.
delex, by all means be distinct way of life. enjoy your faith. just dont hurt others in the name of it. dont expect others to be as you are or be of your faith. that is not your decision. i do not try and force my faith on anyone. nor do i recruit members. it is only when people of a faith decide that others not of their faith need to die or convert, we decide that faith is a threat. and therefor the people of it become a threat. i dont wish to stop you from worshiping your god. but i wil try and stop anone who would kill me and mine for not embracing your faith.
Darkness and light. Pure division, no unity, no rationality, no basis in fact.
I've LIVED in Muslim nations, I even had my wife on an extended visit (read YEARS) to them with me. It was nice, being deployed and back to base, yet living off post. She quite liked it there, once she got used to the call to prayer 5 times per day. She wore western attire when out, though when we went to the souqs, she DID choose to wear an abayah without a veil, that measure of respect for the culture got us best prices.
We were guests in many Muslim homes, dining with their entire family, where we played with their children. Something you know very well is NOT done with untrusted strangers.
Favorite topics of conversation, religion and politics.
I've even corrected one young Saudi who was visiting in Qatar on a youtube video that was haram, as an Egyptian slaughtered 19 camels in about as many seconds, hence the animals saw their fellows slaughtered, a haram practice.
HIS friend considered, then spoke the verse I referred to. His friend apologized to me.
I told him, he owed me no apology, as I was not offended, but he should consider WHO he offended during his next prayer.
We got along quite well.
In English please?
Islam is a very disruptive religion.
Islam does not integrate well into any existing cultures. From its antiquated dress codes to its disruptive practices it seeks to clash rather than integrate itself.
And this is why many Americans do not like Islam.
Americans believe in freedom of religion. They do not believe in religion becoming integrated into government or religion taking over the cultural practices of the secular society. And this goes for both disruptive evangelical Christian faiths as well as for Islam.
Islam is a religion screaming out for reformation. Something that most Christian religions went through hundreds of years ago in order to make them more compatible with modern secular society. It is time that Islam underwent a reformation so that it can integrate into modern societies.
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You're confusing Islam for a monolithic religion.
Dress codes: Is the Yarmulke a similar piece of antiquated clothing? The cross that some Christians wear? Your implication is that non-Western fashion elements are antiquated.
Freedom of religion: the same was said of Mormons, Jews, and Catholics in various Western countries at different times. All have proven themselves willing to integrate. Muslims are no different. Cultural/religious custom should not be thought of as anti-Western; otherwise, most immigrants are anti-Western.
Islamis(mix of religion gov't): this is where I think Muslims in the Middle East and in the West differ most. I think there's a much higher proportion who are perfectly fine with separation of religion and gov't; biased Western caricatures of Muslims beholden to Shariah above all else have perpetuated that view. Muslims I know (myself included) live perfectly contented under a Western rule of law that affords the right to practice one's faith, among other rights.
On the note of religion and gov't, I disagree with you that Americans are broadly against it. I see people like Perry and Bachmann (GOP candidates) validate their views on the basis of faith and bemoan the Godlessness of American politics, and I worry that the separation between evangelical Christianity and state is by far a more pressing concern.
Islamic Reformation: Islam's not monolithic; there are different ideologies in Islam; progressivism, for instance, views religion as a largely public affair. Islamism views "Islam as the answer", as a basis for government. There're Muslim feminists, just as there are fundamentalists. Point being, Islam's not in need of a reformation, because it already has so many competing viewpoints.
In my opinion, the biggest obstacle to integrating Muslims into the West isn't themselves, but Westerners that can't help but to single Muslims out.
Islam is not just a religion it is a whole way of life for these people. Not on my watch
They single themselves out
Which religion isn't? I take it you're either agnostic or atheist.
Catholics for one. I was raised Catholic, and i don't remember us having to dress a certain way, and we didn't have a separate monitary system. We certainly didn't ask any local government to let us use our own court system to solve issues. We let our women leave the house without a male escort. And we let them drive cars as well. We were told to forgive infidels, not kill them. Any other questions?
only when they decide to exterminate anyone not like they are. and follow thru. there in lies the difference and the problem.
some christians do wear crosses. The point is....are they forced to? Muzlum women wear burkas. Are they forced to? No to the first question. Yes to the second? That is the difference
Daniel, YOUR WATCH?! WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You are not the Emperor of this nation. You are a citizen. Interfere with the rights of others, go to prison. I'll laugh at your foolishness.
We DO have freedom of religion in this nation. It's here to stay. Get over it and yourself.
My old neighborhood in Philly is now predominately Muslim, complete with long vacant churches being sold and now being mosques.
There is no conflict there, they're right down the street from a Catholic school and church.
The ONLY conflict is from pinheads like you who want the first amendment repealed, for that IS what you want.
Not going to happen on MY watch. A veteran and one who swore an oath to defend our const i tution. I may be retired, but my oath, my word of honor has never had, nor shall it ever have, an expiration date.
You overlook the fact that there is one basic fundamental difference between Muslims and all the groups of immigrants before them. All the other groups merely wanted to be left in peace to live their own lives as they saw fit. They had no ambition to conquer the other inhabitants of the areas they immigrated to and force an alien and barbaric belief system on them through deceit and coercion. Catholics and Jews were not a threat to previous residents of an area because they shared the same basic values as Protestants. This is not the case with Muslims. Muslims have no intention of assimilating into our society. They intend to radically change our society in ways that no Catholic, Jew, Protestant, or even unbeliever would be willing to tolerate. Look at what they are already doing in Brooklyn. They congregate in the middle of the street and block traffic five times a day. Non-Muslims have a right to use the streets for their intended purpose of driving from one place to another. Muslims prevent non-Muslims from using the street for its intended purpose by using it for a Mosque. That is just plain wrong. Every last one of them should be arrested and hauled off to jail for blocking the street. We are supposed to be tolerant of complete nonsense on their part, but they have no obligation to abide by the rules of society?
Daniel Allen: "we LET OUR WOMEN out without a male escort", "we LET OUR WOMEN drive"
We let? Do Christian males own "their women"? You disgust me and you are just as bad as any Muslim or other terrorist. Daniel Allen and others like him are the enemy. Fundamentalism is the enemy and it doesn't matter which religion it comes from. Stamp out fundamentalism in all its forms.
Why would you care if Islam is a way of life (and it is) when you carry your Christian ideals everywhere you go? Hypocrite.
Wizard, I too am a veteran. And you know what? I don't want that trash in MY country.
fundamentalist, you took that WAY out of context. It's easy to offend those with no common sense.
By saying "we let women drive," he is referring to society in that certain islamic nations do not let their women take part in daily activities, but our society does. I don't feel I need to waste my time explaining this any further to you because you will more than likely become angry and take my words out of context as well.
You're lucky CNN lets you post comments, being whatever gender it is you are. You're lucky! Oh man, so offended! SooooooOOoooo offended! Hypocrites!
islam will intergrate of no longer be a religion. there is no other way. not only from the stand what the rest of the world will not bow down but also because its people will grow tired of being oppressed, having no rights save what their faith seems to give them. all you have to do is look at history. relgions changed and became more tolerant when it came to do or die. islam is fast appoaching that point. i see alot of knnowledge and alot of history in the islamic faith. it would be a shame to lose all of that because a few fanatics were allowed to dictate what is to be because the real islamics sit and do nothing. ive a what if for the fnantics? what if the christians did not become more tolerant and went on killing islamics who did not change religions? so much would have been lost. many faiths who have tried to be in complete control of everything and everyone self destructed. because absolute power corrupts absolutelly.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
I think I have a problem with a religion that wants to kill me, maybe the quote above has something to do with it? I mean if you're fine with a group of people wanting harm to be placed upon you then hey, it's a free country...
Your name is apropos because a dog is smarter than you moron. Inside job? Man your stupid. I suppose you believe the world is flat and the moon landings were faked too. Idiot
Exactly correct Jimmy
Jimmy the only Kool-Aid Drinkers are the one's believing the official Conspiracy Theory. Do some research, particularly involving WTC Building 7 which was NOT hit by planes filled with jet fuel. It still managed to symmetrically and completely collapse into it's own footprint. This was obviously a controlled demolition ( watch the videos of it collapsing ) . It can take months to rig a building that size for demolition but on 9/11/01 it was ready to go....and it did.
Your theory has been de-bunked numerous times by contracted professionals from lots of countries. Just stop already.
You seem to be the only Kool-Aid drinker here with the conspiracy theories. Welcome to the internet, people can look things up quite easily.
Perhaps you should check out information by the MIT professors and structural engineers that reviewed the towers collapse. There where "clip" like structures that held up each floor. All it took was one side of these clips to fail, then the other side failed, causing the incredibly heavy floor to fall onto the next floor – which took out that floors clips, and then let the pancaking begin...just like dominoes – straight down. The towers were made to resist fire, wind, earthquakes...but that little design flaw did not take into account the floor giving way in the manner that it did. All you conspiracy theorists are idiots. I'm not above thinking the governement (OF ANY NATION) might do things to "stir the pot", but you all are seriously retarded if you think the US governent deliberately wanted to kill the 3k inhabitants. Amazes me how gullible people can be, how malleable their minds are...frightens me a little bit. It just shows how easily someone can be radicalized and influenced where their common sense is totally abandoned.
I hear McD's put earthworms in thier hamburgers too.
Try the tinfoil hat next time to keep the radiowaves out.
p8 i agree with you. ive never seen a building come down so evenly. even with demolition timers. the say it melted. fine. it did but some part of those floors started buring before others. it got hotter quicker on one side. that being the case, there should have been some tilt at the impact sight. there was none. it came straight down. this is just common sense. if you burn a piece of paper which part of it will become ashes first? the part that was set on fire first. there was no tilt. no slippage. just straight down all the way down. and the heat was not evenly distributed.
Amen brother. I'm a converted-muslim and I agree: Muslims are responsible for what the Qu'ran says. Just that Bin Laden was the only one with balls to follow it.
And now he's dead. Thrown over the side of a boat in what I'm sure was an honorable service. However, to your point, he had no balls as he refused to take operational action himself, only sent others to die. I can do that if given the opportunity. And all he, and he Takfieri buddies accomplished was to bring death to thousands of Muslims. And the killing continues daily, but not over here man! The press supresses the body counts so the folks in the US don't even care anymore. You folks really strategically screwed the pooch and bought yourselves a 50-100 year problem.
From a country that has made killing you so scandalously depersonalized that you die at the hands of robots. It's not a real deal. No reporters with robots, no films of crying widows. Really no evidence that a person existing at all. Probably not even a body left. Very much like being thrown over the side of a boat when you hoped to be a celebrated martyr. And it gave us the excuse to destabilize the entire region with impunity. Have you noticed that we are everywhere over there and nobody is criticizing us? Nobody at all. Almost surreal isn't it? Again, big big strategic mistake for little tactical gain. What one would normally call "defeat". And once we fully co-opt the Taliban again, our problems in the area will soon be over.
And our casualties, while regrettable, are very very low for this length of global operation. Insanely low. And this coming from a country that happily slaughtered 700,000 of it's own people in a Civil War over only 4 years. Again, poor choice of enemy. We have a remarkable capacity for violence as a people. That's not good.....for you. You know I'm right. Everyone is the Muslim world I'm sure realizes this was a huge mistake. We killed entire Indian tribes on flimsier pretexts. I am not proud of this, it's just what we do. And now it appears our government has decided to settle all our old scores, which again, you gave us permission to do. That will have continuity regardless of who is in the White House. I've heard some commentators say that the terrorists have a long view and can outlast us. Well everybody dies, and continuity is a real bit@hkitty to maintain. We however fought the cold war for over 40 years.
Who are you addressing? Use the reply button below the post you are answering.
Jimmy, if you're gonna go off calling someone an idiot, make damn sure YOU don't come off as the idiot. You know the difference between your and you're right? Who's the moron now?
Islam's "longstanding historical narrative" is one of conquest and conversion. If by "back away from the Muslim world" Muslims want non-Muslims to leave them unmolested to continue the longstanding historical narrative of conquest and conversion, then they are barking up the wrong tree. I believe in "live and let live", but if it's not reciprocal on your part, then we're going to have a problem.
True historically, but point out how Muslims in general (beyond Al Qaida and other Jihadis) are actively or rhetorically seeking to conquest and convert the rest of the world.
Look up the Muslim Brotherhood. Now becoming a viable political power in the mideast. Also look up their plans for the US.
Well, we could start with Israel. The Muslim world will not accept any peace agreement that includes recognition of the state of Israel to exist.
Then there are the forced violent convernsions of tribal Africans, and those who refuse are slaughtered viciously.
Big Bob: I actually know a reasonable amount about them. Starting from their founder, al Banna, their scope has very much been on reinstilling Muslim values in Arab countries; never has it been on actively converting non-Arabs to Islam. As far as Arab non-Muslims, I think their views differ, but consensus seems to be that religious differences have been begrudgingly tolerated, provided no one converts from Islam to something else. Recent trends are worrying. The only instances I can think of is Sayyid Qutb, one-time Muslim Brother, and some other hardliners. But after espousing his view of converting nonbelievers, he became estranged from the organization as a whole. I personally worry about the plans of the Muslim Brotherhood due to the implications of Islamist thought for Egypt, but their goal as an organization isn't whole-world conversion. As far as the Muslim Brotherhood itself, it doesn't speak for the entirety of Islam, nor is it a monolithic organization in itself; there are many competing views. So basically, can you state proof of systemic desire to convert the world?
Southerner: peace with Israel is a whole different ballgame. The biggest blocks have nothing to do with the desire to convert Israel. To name a few: refusal to name Israel as a Jewish state effectively blocks Palestinian right of return. Arab autocracies lose their largest criticism deflector if Israel and Palestine make peace. Land. Settlers. The degree Palestinian autonomy.
As for African tribes forced to convert to Islam, it's not systemic. It's a more aggressive version of isolated incidents that can be seen in any religion. The image that comes to mind is a CNN report of a Muslim praying in the U.S. while being pelted with crosses by some radical evangelicals shouting "repent! repent!".
It is becoming clearer every day that the American government is not a true reflection of American citizens any more than governments of moslem countries are true reflections of their citizens.
The Muslims are very selective about their history. Long before the crusades, they invaded Europe. See Charles Martel and the Battle of Tours for details.
You all fight because you all are obsessed with religion.
people will always find a reason to fight, religion is just a very convenient divider.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
They fight because it is a part of their religion, a long history of it as well, this isn't something new or profound with Muslims, it has nothing to do with either sunni or shiite, it's an integrated part of their religion
since u don't hav any religion to call your own,you should know that it takes an enlightened man to understand the qur'an.stick to pragmatism,the religion of your fathers.if you know your history books, then you know it takes a lot more.
Islam conquered much of the world through violence. It maintains the territory that it controls through violence. It is in essence a violent religion.
Unlike, say...Christianity? Don't throw that stone too hard, you might break that glass house you live in.
Christianity, in it's biblical form, pre-dates Roman Catholicism by nearly 350 years. The Early Church never persecuted or threatened anyone. It was, after all, a Church. When the old Roman Empire began to seriously falter, the emperial leadership knew that they were running on borrowed time and decided to put the Christian Church to "good use" by incorporating it into the gornmental fabric of Europe. Thus, for the very first time in it's history the Church became political. Then the repression and corruption began. In its "pure" form the Christian Church is In fact, PURE.
Seldom did the west war for Christ. Muslims fight exclusivly for Allah!
Mr. Davis might want to re-read his Early World History book. The Church began at Ephesus when Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter and made him the primary Bishop among the Apostles which is now called the Pope. Catholic or Catholicus is a Latin word roughly meaning 'universal', hence the Protestant translation of the Nicene Creed for those churches that want nothing to do with Catholicism. Peter went to Rome to establish The Church there and died there at Vatican Hill. Therefore, The Church has always been in Rome since the first century A.D. and it wasn't necessary to call it Roman Catholic until it had to be distinguished in name from the Orthodox Churches and Protestant churches.
Jesus created one Church which still exists, men created the rest.
Islam hates the USA well newsflash do not move here we do not want you........live in your own biggotted hatefilled economic failure of a country no one cares.......just boot Obama so we don't pay for the ingrates to hate us.
I want to see an article, why the West is mad at the Mooslims.
The author say Muslims – in general – are mad at America. What's even worse is, when Muslims in America are mad at this country, because of the way they're treated. Except for their religion, many are not much different from the Americans. Yet feeling disenfranchised, they experience an "internal clash of civilizations". They now see America and especially the American foreign policy in the Middle East from a different perspective than before.
The schism between Muslims and Christians is ancient. The U.S. had supported regimes in the Middle East, which were/are America friendly and secular. The idyll never lasted long, depending on the political cycle. We can never change the mentality of the people there. It's a different religion and culture there.
. Religion is an excuse to maim and kill until another excuse comes along. Relax have some spareribs and a Mesopotaimian Lite, death is but a prayer awawy. After then you get to live forever!. Huh?
I agree with the Muslim world that the US has no right to look down on the Middle East as being "backward" and "behind in common evolution of societies". That indeed is unnecessarily condescending. And let's face it – As long as we have homeless people dying in our cities; sick people dying because they could not afford the ridiculous health insurance premiums; or families living in their cars evicted from their homes by scrupulous bankers, we have NO right to look down on ANY foreign nation or society.
We (the US) should have realized many years ago (right after WWII) that the Middle East has the right to live their lives as they please, without the USA forcing them.
That, by the way, also is true for our support of Israel: If that country cannot make it in the Middle East on its own, living on land stolen from the Palestinians, the US has no business to keep supporting that fallacy.
Of course one would say: "but what about the oil". What about it? If the US would have invested all those tens of trillions spent on wars in the Middle East and support for Israel to become independent of foreign oil, we would not be living in a world today that is constantly threatened by Islamic terrorism. And – we would have had a positive trade balance, a much stronger US dollar and a flourishing economy. I have wondered so often why our politicians are so stupid to not see this. Or maybe it IS true – That all those senators are in the pockets of big oil, meaning they are not as stupid as I thought – Taking care of number one instead of the American people.
If the latter is true, we are doomed. Regardless of what the Middle East thinks of us.
No matter how condescending it is, it is the truth and they should be made aware of it. When societies still behead people for "sorcery" or refuse to let their women get an education they are in a backwards society. Any society that does not believe in equal rights for all humans and the liberty to do as you wish without harming others is in a backwards society.
It's ok though, globalization will get them up to speed. Sharia law will never, NEVER dominate the world, as the Muslims wish.
Stolen from the Palestinians? Where do you think the Jews originally came from? Sweden? King David reigned over Jerusalem for 33 years. King Solomon built a temple in Jerusalem. Each tribe of Israel had its own territory there in ancient times.
Your study of history is quite lacking when you state that Israel is "living on lands stolen from the Palestinians". Actually Israel was a country and a nation on those lands from 800 BCE until about 70 AD. Israel was conquered by Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans, and others and had its lands stolen by those forces. Israel has every right to the lands between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. There never was a Palestine as a country. It never existed. There are no Palestinian people, only displaced Arabs primarily with roots in Egypt(Yassir Arafat was an Egyptian), Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon. The term Palestinians used before the 1960s referred to Jews who lived in the area. The PLO adopted the term in the 1967-68 era when it was heavily involved in terrorist acts such as airplane hijacking, kidnapping, and attacks on civilian targets, including Munich Olympics 1972 and wheel chair bound Americans.
If you think Israel stole those lands, then you better give up your own house and move away because most certainly, your property was stolen from Native Americans too.
Accept our religion and leave us alone or we will kill you.
There is no real reason to allow the Muslims in America to conduct their lives in a manner that is contrary to the core values of our citizens – the enemy is no longer at the gate – it is inside the walls and intent on destroying us from within.
Unfortunately they are Muslims first and at best Americans second.
I say this after trying to inter act with the local Muslim community – there is no interest in becoming part of America – but it is there goal to change America.
A careful reading of the Koran will not reach any other conclusion – they are not to be trusted period.
Actions speak louder then words and their actions to date indicate exactly what they are up to ................ when are we as a nation going to realize what we are up against and take the appropriate actions to rid ourselves of Muslims.
A pit drastic I admit – but we are well past the point of trying to work with them.
I remember a guy who once had the same believes in a country far, far away – His name was Adolf Hitler.
Those who have no knowledge of history, are doomed to repeat it.
Wanting to defend oneself from someone who wants to kill you in the name of Allah, and killing Jews for economic gain are not the same thing.
Spot on concepts. Deport them all. They are all terrorists in their minds. They will smile in your face while stabbing you in the back – both literally and figuratively.
MHO- everyone needs to respect the other. Muslims have the right to believe what they would like. Americans also have their right to live as they choose. When respect stops, conflicts start on both sides.
Chicken and egg though- like watching Israel and Palestinians. Who cause the escalations? Depends who you ask... media skews it as to their flavor of the day.
We should respect others and let them live the life they choose without resorting to hate and violence.
Muslims do NOT have the right to believe what they like when what they believe is that they are doing Allah a favor if they kill anyone who refuses to submit to Islam. Their rights end where the rights of the rest of us begin.
Why should I respect islam? It's garbage. So is christianity.
In case all you morons forgot this country was founded on christian principles, not musl1m , not buddhist or hindu and everyone in the world is breaking doors down to get in. The mul1m nations are crap when it comes to freedom and tolerance and they want to bring that hatred and intolerance here via their culture and sharia law. Why should we accomodate something that has utterly failed elsewhere??? Musl1ms consider themselves superior to non-musl1ms and can't stomach the fact that christians are running this world!
They obviously don't value education 'cause they're breeding like rabbits and they say they cherish their women but won't afford them the same freedoms their men enjoy. Stop making them the victims 'cause they aren't. They've had every opportunity to denounce these radicals, to call and give their condolences to the victims of 9/11 but not a peep. Why? Because they secretly rejoice in our demise. The ONLY thing they respect is STRENGTH and compassion is considered a weakness. So to all you libtards out there speak softly and truthfully but carry a big stick 'cause you need to make your enemies respect you before you can trust them and that respect comes from fear of retaliation. We don't have their respect because of a decade of nansy pansie policies for our troops overseas. Enough is enough and I have the utmost respect for our troops in musl1m lands because trying to stay alive under these b.. S.. policies is an impossible task.
Same rules for everyone in this country. If you don't like it then then you're not welcome so leave. When everyone has to follow the same rules nobody can complain and everyone knows what is right and what is wrong. Musl1ms want a separate set of rules for themselves and don't want to assimilate into OUR culture but want us to adopt their culture.
Give me a break! If Muslims do not care about this country and they can go back where they came from. Muslims need to start speaking out about terrorist acts throughout the world. Instead of the USA
Fighting all Muslim countries should join hands and fight the bad Muslims .
Muslims are two face. Now you see them them and now you don't. Have we forgotten where the terrorist
Came from who AT&T he'd us on 9/11?
Every religion teaches values and culture towards building good society. I guess, Islam is no exception to it. However, one area Islam diffes greatly with other religion is in the area of interpretation (intentional mis-interpretation) to achive vested interests. What really worries me is the 'SILENCE' form the religious leaders when the religion gets mis-intepreted, Religious leaders in any other religion openly condems the mis-intepretation.... But i have seen this harldy with Muslim clerics. It is very important for a cleric to stand up and clarify the real meaning of KORAN rather than being silent. In my view, SILENCE from clerics is as good as supporting extreme thinking... it's common for a normal person to mis-interpret as they are knowledgeable enough, then it becomes the responsibillity of clerics to bring them back to right track...
I do not trust the muslims in the U.S. because their allegiance is to that damn religion of theirs and not to this country!
We all live in a global society, we must be more understanding on how our neighbors feel and think. Yes it is not easy to understand the muslim world, but we can´t make them understand us with violence and weapons.
by the same token they can not be allowed to " express" themselves with the same. the fanatics want jihad and it seems the christian fanatics are more than happy to give it to them. the problem is on both sides of this fence. this wountry will not sit by and watch another 9-11 and call it an expression of faith.
Wafflling over a "global society" is how we ended up in this quag-mire to begin with. Forget pacification and global feelings. That kind of bull-blather is killing America. God bless America!
I do understand the violent, primitive muslims, it's them that need to understand US. We are not in their country. They are in my country.
Multiculturalism was a failure. Next.
Palestine may be an example of what the British and American did. The folks living on that piece of land for about 1500 years had suddenly become refugees. Because a dead nation of 2000 years ago was reborn with the help of western powers. It was Europeans, the Romans, conquered Isreal, not the Palestinians. Of course, everybody and every nation have the right to survive, Isreal and Palestine inclusive. But Palestinians have no big guns and big mouth, the western powers control advanced arms and media. Americans have made the situation tangled and complicated.
Look at Iraq. After American's liberation, there are bombs exploding everyday. No American casualty in August is big news.
American heroes and world police officers, please take a break and contemplate what have you done to the world.
Steven Kull have written a great article.
natiion building. it seems america thinks every country wants to live as we do. right now the mexicans are going back to mexico. thats how bad our economy is. 2 % of the people here control 90% of the money. this is where capitolism has gotten us. and not big business controls the government. a recipe for disater. public schools are being closed, teachers can not get a fair wage. there are few factoies left in america to pay decent wages. a college education now does not guarrantee a good job. many end up flipping hamburggers. the middle class is falling into the ranks of the poor. a min wage job can no longer support one person. it still angers me that , during bush's reign, the senate said no min wage raise. they did this for 7 yrs. but for every one of those 7 yrs, they voted themselves a raise. now most of america is expected to live on a wage that is at the least 7 yrs behind. and we the people are allowing this.
sorry for the typos. the actions of the senate still make me so angry. and nothing has been done about it. not much is said. whats being done to the middle class and the poor isnt right to say the least. ive an 18 yr old son. he graduated this yr. hes a fine young man and im proud of him. i just dont see a future for him right now. he doesnt either. he knows college is a must, but sees where alot of college grads end up.
Just a few more facts are needed here:
1. Mohammed died in 632AD, and by 750AD, Islam had spread, through conquest, all across Northern Africa, into Asia Minor, and up into Spain, Portugal, and France.
2. The "Crusades" were launched to RE-CAPTURE lands that were conquered by the Muslims.
3. The newly-freed United States of America had to build from scratch, a military in order to protect our shipping from Muslim pirates operating out of Tripoli. Before this, Britain protected colonial ships, but once we gained independence, we were on our own.
Islam imperialistic and xenophobic at the same time.
Where's the Muslim conquest been in the past 200 years? Also please don't extrapolate *anything* about Islam from the Somali pirates who're not acting out of faith.
It's been nowhere, only because the west is better able to protect itself from their sword-wielding militaries.
In short, we build better weapons.
That's a poor question kinda like asking what has "Christianity" invaded in the past 200 years. If Westerners can't use history to justify a particular outlook, then Muslims shouldn't either.
How about South Mindanao in the Philippines?
Muslims arrived there and just planted their flag.
Horatio: No, it isn't. From ~6th-7th Centuries, the Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates underwent a period of expansion through conquest. This is the Islamic imperialism that Dennis points to correctly. He then goes on to say that Islam is still imperialistic. My response is: name examples of that imperialism. Imperialism usually implies an empire's invasion and annexation of someone else's land, so I'm asking for proof of a monolithic Islam invading and subjugating large swaths of other people's land.
Dennis: Random obscure references like Mindanao notwithstanding. And you can't imply that Islam is imperialist if it does nothing to act like an empire. Where's its centralized government? Its expansionary tendencies? Its open warfare with surrounding states?
There's still some land grab in the name of Allah going on, be it Kashmir, Kosovo or Chechnya. The Dar-ul-Islam idea has never dwindled, at least in the minds of some Muslims, and we the rest need to be wary of the political Islam, not ordinary Muslims.
I'd agree; Islam as a political idea can be hugely problematic; I've studied Islamism (Islam as "the answer to everything", including organization of government) a little, and I still don't understand its draw and disagree with its conclusions. However, part of the problem with it is that it doesn't explicitly mandate a specific structure; it leaves room for individuals to structure government to their own specifications, for better or for worse.
So you get to have a reset at 200 years and westerner civilization is held accountable fo a 900 year historical narrative perceived by most muslims that justifies there current grievances? How convenient.
So who are are the infidels that muslims are instructed to kill again exactly? Not the People of the Book was it – just the agnostics, atheists and those muslims that have left the faith? If I'm wrong please instruct me. Is there instruction for muslims to kill those of no faith?
As an agnostic, explain to me how much tolerance Islam has for those who believe as I do. Muslims want understanding, respect and to be left alone. Would atheists or agnostics be left alone, understood or respected in a muslim dominated land?
Satty, you took what I said out of context. My point is, Islam isn't an empire. In terms of the "call to kill the unbelievers", that's language bin Laden chose; he doesn't speak for and lead all Muslims. The thing is, Islam isn't monolitihic; it doesn't have one leader or one voice. You're identifying an extremist thought and extrapolating it to an entire community. You wouldn't be killed for being agnostic (exception: Shabab in Somalia, or other extremists). Muslims writ large might not like the concept of agnosticism, but the majority wouldn't force a conversion or kill you for it.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
This also might have something to do with it...
As has been mentioned elsewhere, the Quran can be twisted and taken out of context to justify your views. The same can be done with any other religious text. It's how people interpret those texts that makes the real difference. Some (Al Qaida and other Jihadis) have chosen to do what you've done; use Quranic passages to validate murder. The majority of Muslims choose not to interpret those passages as such.
Well it is a pretty blunt statement regarding kill others which I personally do not condone, but a large group of people do and that is scary in and of itself
so was and sometimes still is christianity. the crusades were a very dark time in the christian faith. as were the witch hunts. this want done solely for religious puposes. it ewas done for control of a population and territory. all in all it seems to be something that all faiths face. they all need to recognize greed and lust for power when they see it. faith should have nothing to do with either.
religion has nothing to do with any of this! it's simply stone age people with stone age beliefs, they have simply not evolved, gorrillas are still gorrillas, monkeys are still monkeys, just a bit more intelligent than radical muslims
sorta like some black people in this country! jesus, has anyone seen in person or on video the s#$%^$#t they do????? disturbing
If Muslims are going to be mad at America until we accept Sharia law, they will always hate us and their hatred needs a muzzle.
Put yourselves under Sharia Law if you think it is so great, however, do not harass others that don't follow your illegitimate "law" or you will suffer the consequences.
I wish the author would have looked at the difference between Muslims in different regions too, especially where they aren't the majority. Otherwise, enlightening article.
there is a very big problem, most of us don,t want to look at. world should try to solve the problem of israel, and phalstine, I think this is a catalist to whole thing, those who support terrism try to boost it with war of islam, and west logic, In my view west, and America are better friends to muslims than thier currupt,rejims,dactater,and leaders . when there is a disaster any where, even in muslim world america and western world stand very tall in helping victoms,as compare to muslim world.even leadership of those countries steal most of that help, should reach to needy
I've "looked at it" already.
Muslims took land from the Jews, and the Jews took it back with a better army.
And the muslims don't like it.
Sorry Muslims, we don't like people that abuse the brain washed, and never will.
How can anyone understand a society with violence and weapons? Neither Americans nor Muslims have made the right steps to undertand and respect each other.
Muslims' will get a long fine with the rest of the world when they accept the fact that they will NEVER be able to dominate the world with Sharia law.
NEVER
OK here's how you can convince me it was a "inside" job.
Find ONE person who wired ANY of the builds to implode. Now we know it takes MONTHS to wire a building, even longer if you have to move office desks, chairs, pictures, take down drywall, wire the explosives, lay the wire back to a central area, repair the dry wall, paint, move everything back to where it was before you started, clean up the mess. And not ONE person noticed, and the people who wired the building didn't say ONE word to anyone, not their wives or girlfriends.
So you want me to believe that they didn't say a word to anyone, nobody noticed anything was out of place, the "government" managed to kill all the people who wired the building, because if they didn't the people who did wire the build would only be safe if they talked. Then they flew a airplane into the building, why? They could have just blown up the buildings with the same results.
As far as a fuel fire not getting hot enough, here's a picture of a collapsed bridge, that was caused by a gasoline fire. The bridge was part of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge.
http://weblog.sinteur.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/ba_colspeaerialbbmaze3.jpg
But like I said find me just ONE person who did any of the work, just ONE.
It's not simply that it collapsed but HOW it collapsed....it was perfect. So we are supposed to believe the building just by sure luck collapsed into it own footprint just like a controlled demolition ? Do you have any idea on how unlikely this is ? As far as the building being rigged in advance....entirely possible. Heck it could have even been built right in.
It's called physics. You should familiarize yourself with it. You have something that massive structurally weakened the way it was, and guess which way it's going to fall? Straight down, with gravity. You would've needed a very different force acting on it to make it topple. In fact, there were people who said that after the first impact, the buildings *did* sway, but because the force of the impact wasn't enough to topple them, they fell straight down.
Believe what you will...but I watched them fall as well...the floor immediately below the impact zone collapsed onto the floor it, then they collapsed onto the floor below them, and so on...if it were a controlled demolition they would have taken out the support for the botton floor and collapsed the building onto itself...see the implosion of the old Aladin Hotel in Vegas for an example of how it is done (Video is on the web). The engineers who designed the WTC were on History Channel saying the collapse is exactly how they would have expected if jet fuel fires weaked the i-beam floor supports. I suppose in the world of truthers everyone except them is part of the conspiracy.
the floor right above the one that was weakened collapsed 20 feet. and since this thing called gravity was in effect, the next floor below the weakened one couldn't take the thousands of tons that just dropped 20 feet. It caused a domino effect. Go look at any controlled demolition, and you will see distinct timed explosions. There were none on 9/11
dan the plane hit one side. the fuel ignited first on one side. one side of that building got hotter faster than the rest. there should have been a tilt, a major one. there wasnt. not only that the second building fell exactly the same way. straight down. youre going to beleive that 2 huge buildings fell exactly the same way even though they were not hit by planes in the same spot? that the impact side did not get the most heat and get it first? that due to these facts the top floors should have slipped at least a little? but instead both went straight down? i dont knnow who did it, or why. i just know it shouldnt have fallen that perfectly.
The planes were not on the edge of the buildings. The planes penetrated the buildings and ended up inside (the middle) of them. The gas that was on fire is a liquid it poured down stairwells and everywhere else. It wasn't contained to one side of the building. Your knowledge of physics is poor. One side of a floor would not have held the weight of the entire structure that was above the floor in question. No tilt would have happened even if you say that all damage was to exterior of the buildings. It may have held for a fraction of a second and thats all.
And to fly a plane into a building, you have to fly into the side of it. You make the statement that they hit the side of the building as if they should have come up through the basement. You don't make sense. Those planes went will into the buildings. I believe the survivors from the lower floors before you. They said plane flew into deep into the building and it brought them down. They have a lot of evidence too. You have only your dislike for the USA
I was thinking you were a fool when I was reading your other posts. But thank you for removing all doubt with this whopper of a post
Whether it is UFOs, TWA 800 or the 9/11 mass murder, the conspiracy theorists are, as a group, fact blind. The ready fire- then aim approach ignores irrefutable evidence - and plays into a sub-culture in American life that sees the shadow of black helicopters looming just over the horizon.
As the expression goes, "THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE."
If you knew, or better yet studied HOW the buildings were constructed you'd know why they collapsed as they did. It was basically an inverted suspension bridge. Cables ran up one side, over the top and down the other side with immense tension on the cables. (You can see where the cables attached in the photos after they came down.) They were built like no other buildings in the world. The tension cables were to keep it steady in the high winds you get at that height. The heat from the jet fuel melted the sleeves separating the floors.
There will always be conspiracy theorists and they will always deny science and common sense when crafting explanations for conclusions they have already made based on nothing.
FOX X-Files Spin-off 'Lone Gunmen predicted 9/11 – MARCH, 2001.
I think it is beyond apparent when you watch the first 9|11 Memorial video by the Naudet Brothers, you see actual footage of the fire crew, preacher a large amount of people, even survivors all in the lobby of one of the towers. They are still in the lobby when the tower starts to collapse, pancaking down on them. I know people said explosives were wired into the bottom of the building, if that were true, the lobby would look like chaos. People believing it was an inside job simply do not want to accept Muslims did this. They would rather believe our own Government would want to kill these people, than Muslim Terrorists doing it. Sick really.
I think President Cheney knew the attack was coming and was prepared to impose Homeland Security and invade Iraq. Follow the money; straight to Halliburton!
Duuude ..... take the tin foil hat off and go out and get some sunlight.
Amen to your post. Wonderfully put. I am waiting for the answer myself. The "Truthers" just don't want to admit we have been attacked.
It does take months to wire a building with explosives and building 7 just happened to have been under construction for several months just before the attack. Do your research.
ARE YOU 1 OF THOSE GOOFY CONSPIRACY IDIOTS???...YOU PROBABLY VOTED FOR OBAMA TOO...
if they don't like it let them go home. home, where suicide bombers control elections.
home, where doctors, dentists, and engineers are a dime a dozen.
home, where corruption rules everyday life.
home, where allah rules supreme
hope there is not a bomb on the return flight.
the great silent majority would be glad to be rid of them, and their sharia.
HOME.
The matter is simple: Muslims are mad at America because Americans are not Muslim and Israel exists. Muslims need Bible education from to be civil. Secularism is de-spi-cable to them.
all muslims are terrorists
Seems like you are right–
Why don't you go home to Europe, White Boy?
I am guessing by your ignorant comment you are african american, how about you go back there?
Wow the fact that you assume African Americans are ignorant makes you a close minded redneck. Why don't you go back to Europe? This country doesn't belong to you.
Regarding buildings being wired. . . there were many things out of place leading up to 9/11. WTC complex was being rewired for fiber optic cables on upper floors. Video cameras were taken out of use during this time. Magnetic door locking systems which were the locking systems for all main doors in building were turned off so wiring mechanics had easy and total access to building. German Shepherd dogs that were there up til then starting after bombing of 1992 were discontinued in use during this wiring project also.
Folks need to research and not blindly believe and follow.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
Great links on this above link. Happy hunting.
911 was an INSIDE JOB. Open your eyes beyond the mainstream media and join us.
World Trade Building 7, a 47 story building fell 7 hours after the first two. Controlled demolition. AND NO PLANE HIT IT.
You are crazy. The fact that this kind of junk exists is itself evidence of how badly we have educated children in critical thinking.
get back on your medication
The video gives very little evidence to support its quick conclusion that it was a controlled demolition. Just because it looked like one, doesn't mean it couldn't have happened any other way. It surprises me how easily one could make absolute conclusions, when even the laws of physics take decades and countless experiments to test any given theory.
Exactly right, the most basic building demolition projects take two months of site preparation at the very least yet the 911 truthers choose to ignore that indisputable fact. They are amongst the dumbest people alive.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&version=3&hl=en_US
Interesting, but in the long run, it's become apparent this decade that Muslim anger at America has little to do with America and a lot to do with the sad fact that Muslims globally are more interested in killing someone-anyone-than get themselves out of the 7th century.
Muslims have much they do not like about how America treats them. But there is one thing that is the most fundamental: their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam – a perception held by overwhelming majorities
Heck yes! But why is that? It's because the extremists have a vision for a worldwide Caliphate...the entire planet under Islamic rule and Sharia Law. Of course we're going to undermine ANY system that seeks to infiltrate, divide and conquer the US. That the majority of Muslims don't share this vision is neither here nor there. The majority of Afghans did not share the Taliban's vision either, but they suffered under Taliban rule for a decade. When Obama slinks out of Afghanistan, the Taliban will be back in power within a month. The extremists are Islam's wolves and they have no problem with slaughtering Muslim sheep, along with Christian or Jewish sheep, in order to realize their dreams. What the Muslim majority thinks about the US isn't important. If they are not prone to extremism then they are a non-concern to us. The concern is that they will not stand up to the wolves when the time comes, and we'll all be doomed.
Until Islam understands the reasons why we seek to undermine it, then there can be no peace. And they'll just have to waste their lives being mad at us.
Exactly, the rest of the world will never accept worldwide Sharia law, so the Muslims will always hate the rest of the world. When do we put these rabid dogs to sleep?
Come on Cody, lose the hate!!! It would be nice if we Americans became a little more religious and a lot less greedy!!! Maybe then we won't be quite so anxious to go to war and try to conquer other countries around the world!
Some countries are more successful at dealing with muslim imperialism. For example, China.
If muslims were to invade China, their guts would hang from every telephone pole from Kashmir to Beijing.
This continued attempt to demonize America around the world by our very own media is ridiculous. On this page, it's talking about how the muslim world is angry with America. On another page, it's about muslims b!tching that they are so profiled and discriminated against in the West (LOL). Well....don't you think since we've been attacked on 9/11 and since muslim hatred towards America continues around the world, the people in the West might not trust or want islam infesting it? Americans are some of the nicest people on the planet and we are very open-minded but don't think for a second we're not smart enough to know who the enemy is.
Truth is, these tensions wouldn't exist if Islam didn't exist. Islam teaches Muslims to alienate themselves from anyone that is not willing to accept Sharia law, which happens to be alienating themselves from the majority of the world.
Who flew the planes moron? Was it CIA agents? George Bush Lovers? Was the plane on autopilot and the people parachuted out? Or did the americans reponsible give their lives up for the cause? Explain please your theory on who flew the planes, and tell my why those passengers that made phone calls before dying lied about the middle eastern men with accents taking the plane over. Answer those questions please.
Why would someone want to explain anything to someone who just called them a MORON ? What really kills me is the total lack of respect towards people with different or opposing views. Is it because we don't have to be accountable that common decency and respect goes out the window here ? I refuse to stoop to that level even here.
@ P8TRIOT....that Daniel guy is the one that's blind and ignorant!! He comes from people who fear/hate muslims the most...think about what I'm saying. Of-course he will spew hatred towards anyone who opposes him (he's a scared little man, I'm sure). Just ignore him...
He's that and worse. That is what makes people like him so dangerous.
People attack what they fear and do their best to destroy what they fear. Eventually some WILL seek extremist measures and be as bad as those who they fear. And they'll be treated as an extremist.
They actually believe that they repeat from extremist hate sites and deride those who speak from direct, personal experience and even with some intelligence information as liars and not knowing about what we SAW.
Indeed, I have a know it all cousin who knows ALL ABOUT the Middle East because her and her husband had their honeymoon in Morocco. My hysterical laughter rather undermined her, as Morocco is Berber and in Africa.
@mary–
Are you kidding?
Seriously you are having the extreme and blindingly stupid audacity to say Muslims couldn't possibly be behind these attack that the Government was? So you now want to say Muslim terrorists did NOT do the Embassy bombings in Africa, the USS Cole, the Bali bombing, the London bombing, the Madrid bombing, WTC 1 bombing back in 1993, India bombing, shoebomber, underwear bomber, the UPS explosives found in the planes of printer ink cartridges, recent Nigeria bombing, the near Times Square bombing, I could go on. You want to say all of those were done by the US Government and NOT by Muslims? How about the Lockerbie bombing, let me guess the Scots did that one huh. Yeah keep your head buried DEEP in the sand. Your denial is outstanding.
I agree with you and also ask for proof from them. It is that bury the head in the sand mentality that allowed the attacks on 9/11. When will this nation wake up and realize that in our quest to make the rest of the world like us we are making enemies everywhere?
What they can't explain away is why the 19 Egyptians are honored in the mooslum world. They sure believe these boys did it. Did we just make those people up? The families and followers of the 19 are proud of what they did. Has any of those men we accused shown up alive? Did we just have them tied up with the luggage so they couldn't refute the story. Those men were alive one day, and on 9/11 they flew planes into our buildings and died. These men had hometowns that now honor them. Their families know they did it. These same men took flying lessons in the midwest. The people who owned the company remembers some of them. And they also remember these men only wanted to learn how to operate a plane once its flying. The 19 had no interest in learning how to take-off or land a plane. Coincidence i guess.
We're still waiting on how you came about your fact Mary. You make a statement that a hundred Moussad agent flew back to Israel after 9/11. How do you know this? You love to state facts, but cannot back it up.
If a spy is so easily seen returning from a job- Then is it really a spy? Hundred of Mousad agents? Come on? Really? You really think such crafty spies are so stupid? I think it is obvious- if Western Nations wanted to attack any country- they could make up an excuse WITHOUT attacking themselves first. For Hundreds of years- MUSLIM NATIONS used the excuse of protecting Islam and Muslims from others in order to launch THEIR RELIGIOUS WARS.
It isn't that people don't want to believe you truthers. You just don't show any believable proof. There is not one person standing up and acknowledging they helped wire the buildings to explode. There is not one person who can prove beyond a doubt that there were explosives planted. We can prove beyond a doubt that two planes were flown into those buildings. Why if tons of explosives and miles of wire were planted in the buildings would planes be needed to fly into them? We are just asking for proof positive and from the people responsible for the actions taken in your belief of what happened that day. We are not asking for you to use nasty words and remarks and any that were used on you were not justified either. Just please give us the proof we are asking for.
You don't have opposing views, you have fiction, fabrication and a serious case of delusion. You're called a moron because your beliefs ARE MORONIC to say the least. As far as I'm concern anyone who expresses the idea that the towers were brought down by a controlled demolition should automatically be forced to under go a psych evaluation to see if they're an imminent threat to themselves or others they're so utterly and hopelessly disconnected from reality and married to their fictions.
Hey P8triot, it wasn't luck that the buildings collaped, 2 really large oblects with thousands of gallons of gas flew into them. I'm supposed to believe it was lucky that the buildings came down. Go take a physics class. I do love when the truly ignorant make themselves known.
I beg to differ with your Theory. I'm not saying I know who did it. I just believe there was much more going on that day then what we were led to believe. Gee they found that Hijacker Passport pretty fast though. Lets see the plane hits the building and vaporizes into a fireball BUT the Passport survives...Priceless !
The plane did not vaporize into a fireball, it was the fuel that vaporized into a fireball. Finding a passport, things are what they are. Idiot.
@ WAYNE Hey Wayne or whatever your real name is are you paid to do this stuff ? Or are you just another fat imbacile who wraps themselves in an American Flag while watching Monday night Football ? So as long as an "Official" tells you how it is then that must be " how it is " After all our Maninstream Media and government would NEVER lie to us would they Wayne ?
Guess who agrees with me. The Moozlums u love so much. They know who flew into the buildings. Their posters hang in the streets of Middle Eastern countrys and they are celebrated as hero's. These men's families are very proud of them. Their hometowns have celebrations in their honor. We didn't make this crap up.
did you not see the massive amount of paper debris coming from the 2 towers? It looked like a ticker-tape parade. It all was not vaporized. You need to quit watching the Daily Show for your information. You have no knowledge of physics.
Gee all that paper came out of the plane without burning....incredible !
There will always be conspiracy theorists and they will always deny science and common sense when crafting explanations for conclusions they have already made based on nothing..
Like these guys ?
http://www.ae911truth.org/
I'll explain it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No...the americans on those planes did not willing give up their lives??? Now who's stupid!!! However, the supposed terrorist did THINK they were conducting a mission called for by muslim extremest "Al Queda" or who-ever. But they were actually ordered etc by undercover agents (passing for muslims) from either the US or Israel....PERIOD!!! Why don't you explain the hundred or so Moussad agents that returned to Israel the day after the attacks?!?!!? Those building's were brought down and those poor people died so the US could steal all of the natural resources from the Middle East that they no longer possess!!!!!!!!!!!!
please provide the name of one Musad Agent that went back after 9/11. How do you know this information? It wouldn't be public knowledge. Do tell. The ignorant are waiting for your knowledge.
Mary......we're waiting on your intimate knowledge of Muassad and its goings on. How do you know about these agents? or maybe you are a liar.
Mary, do the world a favor and go jump off a bridge. No one will miss you. You have no brains, and have no business being in a democratic country. The idea that people like you are allowed to vote makes me want to puke.
You are just believing lies. What you are saying is false.
Someone near Mary throw a net over her get her the mental health care she so desperately and obviously needs.
Frankly, I think it went down exactly the way it obviously did, with hijackers and lots of fuel. I just wonder how Dick Cheney knew it was going to happen so he could move the chimp to an undisclosed location. I think Cheney called Osama and told him to go ahead, and I'd like Cheney to have a chance to defend himself in court if that's not true. If it's not true, why is Bush so sad about Osama's death?
Shut up already, you relativist douch-bag!
My experience has been that in America, people tend to ignore others who hold different beliefs. Jews ignore Gentiles, Catholics ignore Protestants and atheists ignore everyone. I can assure Muslims that if they want to live in the 12th century, no one here will object!
As long as they dont try to get autonomy in America to replace our laws with their own sure they can do what they want, they just need to keep it to themselves.
The problem is with Muslims is that they are brain washed to hate other religions. I have lived with Muslims so know this first hand. While living in India, they support Pakistani team and for that matter any Muslim team. I am here in US for almost 20 years. I have rarely seen/heard Muslim clerics denouncing terrorist acts whether be it in US or around the world. They were celebrating 9/11 attack in most parts of the Muslim world. How can you celebrate death of innocent people? I agree that in US and West, Muslims are more moderate but still they hate Christians (some blame goes to Christians too). Around Indian subcontinent, they hate Hindus. They have crusaders like Ahmed Deedat etc whose sole aim is to belittle other religions.
Yet those people celebrating would gladly accept our free handouts and monetary aide. Screw them.
All.
In the butt.
They like it anyway.
yes – I have lived with muslims and I second Atul's views. They fight with every other non-muslim country. And they also fight within own countries; detonating suicide bombs etc. They are a violent and disgrace to this world
I welcome an analysis that focuses on Western/Christian culture as the Muslem nemisis. All too often is heard the refrain that if Israel would just disappdear, the Muslim threat would decline. The fact is that if Israel was gone tomorrow (with its 5 million Jews), Muslims would still want revenge against the 1.5 billion Christian West for abscounding with their rightful ownership of the world. This isn't going to change no matter what view westerners have of Islam. While I believe the whole world would welcome a better understanding coming from both sides, the reality is that only fear of the West's military power, and particularly that of the U.S., will deter Islamofascists from wreaking havoc on us and our children.
They hijacked planes scheduled to fly across the country so the gas tanks would be full. The picked them up in Boston so it would be a short flight to New York. What i saw were 2 building collapse after 2 very large planes flew into them. Brilliantly simple on the Mooslums part. Your hatred for your own country skews your logic if you have any. And yes thousands of gallons of gasoline can weaken building supports enough to make a structure that weigh thousands of tons collapse.
No planes or jet fuel was involved with WTC Building 7 Collapse. It was demolished.
I agree to some extent! This was the greatest lie evr told to the US and it's citizens. I formally apologize to all american muslims!!!!
Mary....at least give me the source of your mis-information, so i can look it up myself. Typical liberal
"typical liberal"
Just plain outstanding Daniel. You are the epitome of the reason I have $5,000 in cash stashed in my house – in case my family ever finds itself unsafe and needs to flee before the trucks pull up outside the house. I would never leave my country unless my country left me, and I it sure feels like it is leaving me by the day.
I am honestly in fear of the ignorant, simplistic mindset taking over the country, with this mindset believing that all of these complex, intractable problems have easy answers. When that mindset becomes ubiquitous, people like me (take your pick, Jewish, intellectual [for SHAME!], socially responsible) are rounded up and put onto trucks and into freight cars again.
I want to be clear this is not a personal attack. It's just when I hear rhetoric spoken and the person has all the answers, the "gestapo alarm" goes off in my head. At that point I realize the person speaking would not change his mind for any reason short of the appearance of a burning bush, in light of whatever facts may exist.
Remember that old adage about wisdom is realizing you know nothing? People who make sweeping generalizations and personal attacks against the other group while claiming to have the best interests of the country at heart frighten me. This goes for both liberals and conservatives.
We have just as serious an internal battle at home as in the Muslim world, not between the liberals and the conservatives, or the Christians and the Muslims or Jews, but between miserable pugilists who only exist to goad the people with opposite viewpoints, and the people who are honestly and sincerely trying to improve the world through honest debate and trying to at least validate, if not agree with, all perspectives.
Of the two sides just listed, which category would the phrase "typical liberal" fit into, do you figure?
If I wasn't jet lagged on top of insomnia, I wouldn't even bother to comment, because I'm not going to change your mind any more than you're going to change mine, and I can respect that other people have a different viewpoint, but I figure maybe a person or two will read this and a lightbulb will turn on with the silent majority of Americans who are sick of all the vitriol and just want to be Americans who don't need to stash wads of cash to flee the country in case they pull up outside in the truck.
Don't think it can't happen again. It can and it will, though something tells me you're not going to be the one on the bus.
Kevin, you can't just claim the term "socially responsible" for yourself and expect others to go along with your assessment. It's a non-content label intended, it would appear, to demonize everyone who doesn't think exactly the same way as you do. It seems to me to be anti-intellectual; claiming the moral high ground without showing that it is deserved. It occurs to me that how to define what is "socially responsible" is exactly what is being disputed here. Muslims, apparently, believe that what is "socially responsible" is a governing system tied in closely with Sharia. Atheists a system where religion is relegated to the fringes if not done away with altogether. Socialists want a system where power is concentrated in the hands of a few, in the name of the many. Federalists want a system where power is maximally retained in the hands of individuals, where actual governance is as close to home as possible. Christians may belong to either of these latter two groups depending on personal or denominational concerns, or be following another vision of what is "socially responsible".
So, yes, you are arguing for your vision of what is "socially responsible"; but, so are they. Please, stop misapplying the term. It doesn't belong to you and your ilk alone.
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You must be the virgin Mary because you are surely naive. Either that or you are a Muslim. Please ask your fellow Muslims to move to a Muslim country. We don't want Sharia law here.
All Americans, you are fighting for a lost cause. Take it from us, you can not fight Muslims. If they are already there in your homeland, they will take over. Here are the strategies they use – they will produce more, they will import more and they will convert some of your folks. And they will wait till the critical mass is reached before they claim for their pound of flesh. Even if one particular Muslim man/woman is liberal in his values and thoughts, there is no guarantee that his/her son will be liberal in his thoughts. You will wonder 'why', answer is that's what they are taught in very very passionate way. After all, one can not speak "English" if he is taught "French" all his life. This I am telling from thousand plus years of experience we have with them in India. So, forget fighting them. For your help, I can share my strategy, I will switch over, I don't want to get killed or traumatized.
Hey, "An Indian", you fail to realize that liberal ideals are already being assaulted in the US, not by Muslims, but by idiotic right-wing Christians.
Unfortunately the Hindus do not have clean hands either. Just look at the victims of the riots. They are men,women and children who happen to be Christians, Muslims and Hindus. Most cases killed by their neighbors. It is easy to create hate for another human being and blame it on religion. It is criminal people that kill and not whatever religion they claim to practice.
an indian [india] did you star in the movie dumb or dumber ? you people have been around a long time killing each other . other then a handful , the rest of you are poor uneducated slobs who mistreat women and attempt to brainwash your children . and you are going to do what to who ?
Mary, you have lost your mind!!!!!Your an infidel!
the massive amount of energy given off by those falling building are more than enough to knock a neighboring building down. Kudos to the architects that more buildings didn't fall. A smaller building is destroyed right next to two huge demolished buildings and thats your proof? My god your ignorant of physics.
p8tri0t -
You said, " I just believe there was much more going on that day then what we were led to believe."
Your comment is a classic example of the difference between mere opinion and provable fact. The difference is an anathema to the so-called conspiracy theorists - which of course - is why they ignore it.
The same small fraction of society will always talk the way patriot does, don't try to reason with him. Just accept that the our society produces a small number of people like him that don't cause any real problems.
@skepticoftheskeptics : We no longer are a fringe Minority FYI. More people are waking up everyday. Keep believing it's "just the Muslims" . Forget the Financial Terrorists sucking the world Economy dry. What were the Twin Towers symbolic for ?
@ flyingram ...And you probably think Water Fluoridation is good for you.
You are the classic example of a person who cannot think for themselves. I
You are one if the whack jobs that believes this conspiracy crap. I bet yout hink Palin and Bachman would make great presidents too
You believe a Conspiracy...The Official One.
Ever wonder why so many people don't believe the official Conspiracy Theory ?
Palin and Bachmann...NO !...Ron Paul ....YES
YES. EXACTLY. He's no Dispensationalist.
Meant to reply to a Vote Ron Paul shout out.
Or..."RuPaul yes!!"
Hopefully though we can still have Bachmann and Palin jello wrestle at the convention? And I'm thinking a Ron Paul/Kim Kardashian ticket might win the day. Ron Paul seems like a decent guy, but he'd have that wacky checks and balances thing to deal with, so his agenda would be DOA baby.
You listed Actors for 911 as a source. Do i need say more. George Clooney is an Idiot. He was one of many liberals who fought for a Washington state law that you can't have fires on the beach anymore because it helped cause global warming.
I can't even begin to explain how absolutely stupid the American haters are in this country. Go Katt Williams. a brother who loves the USA
i love my country tyvm. my family have always been in the armed forces. i supported our troops even when i did not agree with the war. i speak up for my country, i upho;d the rights of others. even people like you who have to resort to name calling. its called freedom of speech. ive lost loved ones in this war and others. dont ever say i dont love my country. i simply refuse to be fed whats told to me as gospel. i open my eyes and use my mind. something was very wrong with the way the buildings fell our governments reaction. the refusal to see who was partially responsible for 911. follow the money trail, it leads to the sauddies, most of the hijackers were saudie, a saudie prince led the group that claimed this abomination. yet we looked elsewhere for what was under our noses. as a matter of fact, if you care to lok the financing of the taliban is STILL mostly funded by saudie money. you say i cant see the truth, i say you only see what your blinders will allow you to. due to the name calling as far as im concerned enjoy commenting to yourself.
Hey Mate ! Well said.But sadly a piece of paper is what is percieved as a yardstick to define stupidity and intelligence.
"People only believe the official story of 9/11 because they don't know the official story of 9/11."
Well John, please enlighten the rest of us poor ignorant fools as to the "official 9/11 story. I'm sure you have intel the rest of world was never privileged to.
You obviously haven't lost two friends like I did, who worked in one of those buildings. Take a bath and take your quaran in there with you.
Go to hell
I used to live in alabama.
Well, what's the REAL story? I've read all of the conspiracy sites. And they've all been debunked by people using common sense.
I'm not American but visited many times these naive liberals will destroy your county like they are destroying many other western countries in this world. Muslims have nothing but excuses for their failures. They blame the Jews, America or the west but never from their religion.
Could you cut the Tea Party lingo out? It has no place here. Leave that for the ignorant Tea Partiers to use!
It doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to figure out why the Muslims hate us so. Just look at what we're doing abroad, defeating and occupying one Muslim country after another, trying to make their religion a thing of the past and getting them to embrace Capitalism instead. If I were a Muslim, I'd feel the same way!!!
Capitalism is a religion????
American military might is on their way, preventing the quick advance of Muslim religion worldwide.That the only reason they're mad at America.
If we want to get a long with Muslims we all just have to subscribe to Sharia law! Problem solved.
Get your burkas on ladies, guys stop shaving and start beatin those women for wanting to be smart and do something more than housework.
I don't have a burka - where do I get one?
I wish we could just get rid of religion. It creates so many unnecessary problems such as these.
I read the article and searched the comments for the word 'illiterate'. I didnt find it once. Which is remarkable, because the greater majority of the muslim world is in fact illiterate. Many are illiterate except for the fact that they can read the Koran, in Arabic, whether it is their native language or not. The muslim world hates America, because it is illiterate, uneducated and their mullahs and clerics TELL them and preach hate....many have no knowledge of the world outside the 50 mile radius of their homes...the knowledge gap that exists is wholly islam's ...
We don't believe in muhammad.
Who cares if they are mad at us?! We are mad at them. If they want to come and stay, then "melt" into the melting pot. Otherwise, go back from whence they came and practice their dark age's so-called religion. When they visibly do more to "clean up their own," then we might like them again.
One can never reconcile Islam with women's rights, universal suffrage or Western democracy. There is no such thing as a "moderate Muslim." A moderate Muslim is an unfaithful Muslim.
Yes, America should back off Muslim business, we do not belong in Iraq [ aka Babylon], Iran, Afghanastan, [poppy opium capital world supplier] America should stop trying to be what it is not, world police force to enforce democracy. We should be exporting USA manufactured goods but Nixon 1974 trade agreement with China caused exodus of America's manufacturing based economy, look at what we have now. Muslims have right to be mad at America for interferring but personally, I dont trust any of them since they can lie to cover up agenda playing good guy/bad guy routine. America should stay out of their busisness and they should stay out of ours and NO MOSQUE at GROUND ZERO, which is major insult and represents Muslim conquest of America, do the research yourselves. With that in mind Americans have right also to be mad at Muslims too, works both ways.
I really don't care if Muslims are mad at America. America is very welcoming of all religions and cultures. What we object to is a society that comes to America and then wants America to change it's legal system and laws to accomodate them. While it may be okay to oppress women in a Muslim country or carry out Sharia law, it is not okay to do that in the US. If their idea of religious freedom practices violates the democratic principles and laws that this country was founded on, they should simply not come here.
I wish CNN had a kiddie section for the violent idiots that inhabit these boards, a place where they could play Doom-like scenarios on each other without disturbing the adults.
Why do Muslims hate Americans? Read the comments these fools make.....it's no mystery.
I've been traveling the world for 30+ years. The rest of the world has always "not liked us" but loved us at the same time. It's the "haves & have nots" scenario that have existed since man first walked the earth. We have nothing to apologize for and I don't have a problem being envied by the rest of the world. I thought that was part of what we are e.g. the best country in the world to live in. So, we are going to drop to second or third best so others will like us. I have not desire to be liked by all or most. Respected? Yes. Only the acutely self-absorbed and insecure care about being liked. Unfortunately, that's a lot of Americans.
As an American, I tell the muslims that: (1) Bush created the present us against them mentality, and (2) many Americans can not listen to others and are simply unteachable on this issue as a result. If you doubt this, read the comments here.
How can one man put us against another culture? Did Kennedy put us against Cubans? Did Nixon put us against Vietnamese? I am of course talking about mentality. Bush didnt put us against them. I can, with complete confidence say, it was the actions by the select few that attacked our country on 9/11. What about the attacks that followed after Bush left office? Oh wait, there were not any more attacks because I guess the mentality that Bush caused made people aware of their surroundings and thus caused a decline is attacks and attempted attacks.
I say that we are too sensative to other cultures. People who come to the US need to learb our culture and respect our way of life!! If you dont like the way we live, get out!
Mulims are not tolerant and Americans and whole world is mad at them.CNN is biased printing articles like this proof that it is infiltrated by muslims.
Steve's article is written for trolls. Five years of research distills down to this article? That's extremely hard to believe. If anything Steve completely ignores how the west is leary and weary of Mohammadists undermining the western way of life. So thanks for the troll bait and once again the quality of the article is a shade away from having been published in The National Enquirer.
Who cares what ragehads think of us...they are the ones that have been fighting for centuries about one thing or another! They started the 9/11 isue...not us...there are countries in the world in turmoil and most of them are raghead countries and we should carewhat they think about us! LOL!cnn can go to h e l l also along with the writer of this article for trying t push the agenda for us to kiss the behinds of the filth from the middle east.
Let's get honest here- the only real sticking point between the USA and Islam is the USA's continued support of what the USA govt helped create: Israel.
How did the US create Isreal? They are a far older country than we are and mature in many other ways. All part of the plan my friend.
Amen Joe. Israel existed long before Islam was even a fart of an idea in mohammed's brain, and will exist until long after Islam disappears, and Christ returns to his throne in Jerusalem.
I hope, God willing.
What history books are you reading? Israeli perspective of history? Palestine is older than Israel or any other country. Stop spreading Israeli historical propaganda.
I think the reference is to Israel creation in 1948; yes, in religious (i.e.biblical) terms they have been around a lot longer, however the mandated removal of Palestinians from their homes (of which US was a part in deciding) which they rightfully believed were theirs since no 'secular' state of Israel existed on that land is what Chris means. (I think !)
The notion that arab muslims (since there were no "palestinians" in 1948) were kicked out of their homes so that Jews could steal / move in to them is wholly FALSE. One of the many myths of arab propaganda they so gleefully propagate to justify their terror against jewish civilians (and others) today in Israel, and around the world.
You're correct. Israel is the root of all evil. USA is bankrupt, no net job gain since September 2011. It's all because of American support for Israel. If there was no support for Israel, USA and Muslim countries would be in good terms and there would be no need for wars and 9/11.
But, because of irrelevant farts called "Israel", we all have to suffer.
Israel is a small "fart", as irrelevant and ugly as possible. But, Americans gave them trillions of dollars, equipped them with the most advanced weapons so they could occupy Muslim land and torture and kill Muslim civilians and bully Muslim world in general. There cannot be peace without justice. USA is bankrupt. No net gain in jobs since Sept 2011. 100 million of Americans use food stamps to survive. Your life standard is worse than in Albania.
Israelis and Jews have a "victimhood" complex. They are Islamophobes (they hate Muslims) and they wish to force us to respect them. They want to be "masters". They expect us to feel sorry for their suffering in the Holocaust. If we don't (not necause we don't care, but because we are busy with our daily lives), they get angry.
USA needs to show respect to Muslims. Otherwise, go and f yourselves.
Why all the hate. Most of the world worships your god. Languages differ but many people are in league with Satan. I think that's how it translates out.....yes that's it. Hope that is educational.
I'm sorry, that's BS. I'm not even kidding. If you hate America, we're a free country, you're free get f-ing out of here.
I despise my government's policies in the Middle East, Mr. Manoj, because they are immoral and unjust, not to mention illegal. I am American and believe in American ideals about freedom, justice, and democracy, which my government tramples shamelessly. If you actually suppprt US government policies in the MIddle East, I'd say GET THE #*$^#&# OUT since people like you are a danger to the ideals, principles, and future of this country.
...If people like YOU are the future of this country, please go eat a bullet along with the rest of liberal society.
AGREED! I could not have said it better myself!
These guys need to revisit history. The Muslims (Moors) attacked Spain and France WAY before the Crusades. Their civilization peaked about 1400 AD (quick, name the last great invention from a Muslim country). The rulers of these countries don't even need their subjects in order to remain wealthy from oil money. Muslim women have been treated like cattle for so long they think they are fortunate that they aren't treated like dogs. ANd THEY are mad at US? Gimme a break...
Lets see, Algebra... that sure came in handy with lots of inventions. Most of the star charts and astronomy came from Arabs... that came in handy too.
What do you tell a Muslim woman with 2 black eyes? Nothing...she's already been told twice already!
Does this argue against doing business with people around the world? If people are actually genuinely trying to have their own struggles to run their lives and nations within and without religion as the above states, can Americans ever do business abroad. Doing business inevitably puts us in the position of wanting stability and someone competent to work with. It seems that people abroad who are competent too often are perceived negatively.
As always, the root of the problem is religion. Not just Islam, not just Christianity: all religions that raise their people to believe in something unfounded, and to instruct them to destroy all who who do not believe. The human race is doomed to fight itself to extinction over the boogey-man.
Muslims invaded Christian land first...the Byzantine Empire, Egpyt, washing through Christian north Africa, then very much interwoven into Europe, eventually into Spain, an attempted invasion of France, into the Balkans. The crusades was an attempt to reclaim land that Muslims conquered and to abate the threat of invasion into European heartlands. The Muslim preoccupation with their distorted view of history is nothing more than excuse to justify their anger. The Saudi version of Islam has spread throughout and Islam, once in many ways more tolerant than Christianity, more forward thinking and willing to embrance modernity, has become very much less so and these intolerances more than anything arethe roots that feed their anger. But it's always easier to blame someone else. Some Christians do the same thing with gays. Muslims use westerners.
Do you really care???? there have never been any Christian lands...Jesus was very clear !!!! My kingdom is not of this world!!!!!
Hey big sir, blame Pres Bush again. Muslims have hated us long before Pres Bush came to office. In reasoning it only took 6 months to come up with the attack on 9/11. Apologist make me sick to my stomach. I could care less what any muslim thinks. If they hate us so much go back to the Middle East. They yell that they just want a new life, but they turn around and act as if they never left their own country. I am sick of them thinking we should have to change for them. They can all go straight to *)KF. No I do like or trust any one of them and if that offends you so be it. I dont care what so ever.
They are mad because we have not been "subjugated and subdued" – as their unholy quran tells them to do to infidels / nonbelievers,
we have not submitted to their false prophet or their demonic lord. And we never will.
I'm not sure from your text, but are you yourself "subjugated and subdued" to a holy spirit? If not then I read it wrong, I apologize. But if yes, then explain how one persons lord is any less ridiculous than another's?
Islam "subjugates and subdues" people by deceit, force and violence. Christianity does not "subjugate and subdue" anyone. Christians are Christians because they voluntarily choose to be followers of Christ. Christianity is spread by verbal persuation and by Good Samaritans demonstrating Christian values. Islam and Christianity are as different as night and day. Before you criticize Christianity, you might want to think about educating yourself on the subject.
ahpii,
the very key difference between those who follow my God, and those who follow your demon,
is that no one will threaten me with DEATH or condemn me to being stoned to death if I decide to convert OUT of christianity (or judaism, or buddhism, or hinduism, etc)
only islam is that sick, that afraid of its own potential to fail that they need to hold a sword to people's necks in order to get them to convert, and to stay converted.
sick cult is sick, and needs to be cured.
If we took just a short break from handing Israel everything they want on a silver platter and helping the Palestinians get their own state it would go a long way towards ending this mess. Muslims believe we will help Israel 100 % with no chance of ever recognizing the Palestinian rights for their own homeland and they resent that. This is the number one thing we could do right now and it would really help a lot.
A homeland for the Palestinians will not solve any conflict in the region. Nations in the area wish for Israel to cede lands for this brand new nation, yet they are unwilling to give a hectare of theirs. The US gives plenty to both sides. Perhaps the answer is to stop giving to both sides.
giving this newly invented group of people "the palestinians" anything is equivalent to taking away EVERYTHING israel wants,
its right to exist, its right to its own holy city (jerusalem), and its right to not suffer terrorist attacks and rockets every single day as it has been since they first gave the "palestinians" autonomy.
If you knew anything about history, and the words and statements of arab/ muslim / "palestinian" leaders,
you'd know this was part of their plan to destroy Israel, just start with a little piece, and move from there.
Palestine does not exist. Why is it that Israel is the only country on the planet that MUST give away land to people who have vowed to destroy them? Imagine if Iran and North Korea demanded parts of the US. There was a fight, Israel won. THere were more fights, Israel won those too. Usually winners get the prize.
No, it would not help at all. It would make things worse. Consider the current distribution of land between Muslims and Jews. 22 Islamic states have more then 5,000,000 square miles. Israel has 9,000 square miles. There are 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide, and just under 5 1/2 million Jews in the nation of Israel. Israeli Jews have less than half the land per person that Muslims in Arab states have. Israelis have no land that they can give up and still be able to defend themselves. The Arab Muslim countries should be allowing Arab Muslims in Israel who want to, to immigrate into their countries. However, they won't do so, because they want the conflict to continue. Since Arab Muslim countries could mitigate the conflict by changing their immigration policies, but choose not to, the blood is on their hands.
Muslims seem to think Western civilization is as it always have been. They fail to realize we have changed over the decades and centuries as well. The West has learned to accept differences in its people to a great extent. We are not 100% there, but we move closer. Democracy is not what 50.1% want or force over the 49.9% others. It is respecting all the people's freedoms and rights, not imposing the will of that majority on the minority. What we in the West do not understand is how one man's conscience can be forced by others. If one man reject Islam, is that not a private matter for him? Why should his neighbors be able to deny him his thoughts? A century ago, a Western woman would not have dared to bare her ankle in public. Respecting the rights of women meant allowing those women to decide whether a bare ankle was scandalous or not. Islam teaches peace. Peace is come by through tolerance. Tolerance is respect. You respect by accepting someone's differences of your own. The West is not imposing its will on Islam. Islam is rejecting the respect of their followers to decide to follow or be different. Either tighter chains will be needed or the system fails. Freedom knows the only lasting chains are self-imposed. When Islam recognizes their neighbors can be different without harm to themselves, Islam will be stronger – perhaps not in numbers but in faith.
When will the world realize that the heart of this issue is GOD & HIS right to rule here on this planet, moslems believe it is their god's right to rule here JEWS & (real) CHRISTIANS disagree, ask yourself what religion calls for the annihilation of all others....islam! We are in a religious war, islam will not stop until they subjugate or destroy everyone & everything that is not moslem. you don't believe me read their book!
Islam is a totalitarian political system. There's no disputing that. Their irrational judicial system & violent religious tendencies are anathema to a Progressive and tolerant society. I just don't give a crap what they think about us because they are embracing an oppressive ideology. No thanks.
USA has been muslims best friend for years. We kicked saddam out of kuwait, and supported muslims in ethnic cleansing in serbia, and have led the way in getting rid of dictators in the arab world that have killed millions of innocent muslims on their own. We allow them to migrate to our country to become citizens and make something of themselves, and all they do is complain. Don't like this country, you have the right to leave and go somewhere else. When are you people gonna wake up and realize the USA is the best friend you've ever had?
Well, the study would make more sense if it did not seem like there is a genuine push to commit genocide in the middle east against Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims. Israel is regarded negatively because it is a state that is based on a religion other than Islam.
Assad oppresses people, the Iranian theocracy oppresses people, but they survive because they claim to support Islam and hate Israel.
@BigByrd: So, no religion = no war? Sounds like the best option for survival!
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Mmm, I believe WWI and WWII were started for reasons other than religion. Oh, I guess you wouldn't know that. Your kind are too busy watching Sponge Bob and playing computer games to be educated.
Agreed, religion is not the reason for all conflict and human suffering. But without it, wouldn't we see a lot less? What if all the resources and energies poured in to supporting a house of worship were turned toward easing poverty, disease and famine on the globe? To protecting the meek from those that seek personal gain through violence? But not in the name of religion, in the name of Mankind.
Muslim culture was damaged by the writings of al-Ghazali, who argued that cause-and-effect doesn't exist and everything is the will of Allah. Nine hundred years ago his work "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" took Muslim intellectual life away from reason and turned it towards mysticism. They have declined ever since. The Renaissance happened IN Christian Europe, Big Oil happened TO the Muslims. The fight against Jihad is definitely a clash of civilizations and until it is won by the West the Muslim culture is a source of danger for the world.
Why would Muslims be surprised that we support liberal causes in their countries and not rabid religious causes? One wants to include us and one wants to kill us.
They never wake up!! Even in India lot of muslims intentionally supports Pakistan cricket team to upset fellow indians. If you say rabbit has 4 legs, they will say no it has only 3 legs. This is what their behavior. No one can do anything unless Allah shows up in front of them and say something for their good.
Why is the Middle East stuck in the crusade era? Those wars occurred over 500 years ago. times have changed. society has made significant technological break throughs as well as advanced individual freedoms for peace. Let alone, when Muslims refer to us (Americans) as a crusading force that dates back over 500 years ago, do we need to remind them that America was not even a country then? Let alone, how could Americans been planning an agenda to take over the Muslim world since before the conception of the American nation? Sounds like these nut jobs in the Middle east need a history lesson and common sense.
I really don't care that much how Muslims feel toward us. The author claims that a majority of Muslims denounce terrorism. Maybe that's true. I don't think so, but maybe it is true. Regardless, Muslims still hold the rule of the Koran above the rule of law and that puts them at odds with the west.
If you truly want to change opinion, you need to first have understanding. For those who truly want world peace, consider hosting an AFS exchange student – this week! Having a teen from the Middle East shows you just how alike we are, and lets the student have a loving family in the US. Everyone wins, (which is the basis for true justice).
Western Society is an open secular society based on individual rights. Islamic Society is a closed religious society based on religous dogma which cannot be challenged. Like oil and water these will never mix but one should not attempt to impose its principles on the other. Live and Let Live and we all will Live in Peace.
You bring up a good point: religious dogma in politics. Religious intolerance isn't just the language of Islam. If we want to take a step in the direction of our own version of Sharia Law, vote a Bachmann or Romney or Perry in to office. How many generations of Presidents with these viewpoints will it take to bring us down that path? No, we would all be consumed in a nuclear firestorm before we got too far. And some people think that would be God's will. Scary.
Does POD stand for Piece of Dung ??? That is obviously what inhabits your skull. Peace can only be achieved when two parties desire it. They don not want peace; they want to conquer and abolish us and our way of life. How in the world did you become sooooo naive ??? What do they have to do kill you and your family to make you believe that they, Like Hitler are just plain EVIL ????
We can engage in a discussion when women are treated equally and when there aren't attacks on Christian churches in Muslim countries. You have to understand how to live in the 21st Century.
I'm pretty sure they are mad at us because we don't have intercourse with children. We think it's silly that any god would loathe having their picture drawn. Because we don't beat up women and young girls and make the cover their faces. Because we don't stone our friends over wild accusations. Because we don't all have sweet beards. Because we think the desert sucks. Because we actually have a use for all the oil they have. Because they can't seem to figure out where the deodorant isle is.
The article completely ignores the issues of what Muslims in the Middle East do to their own people. Death for adultery and a myriad of human rights violations. Islam is a primitive religion stuck in the Dark Ages (and not the Middle Ages as the article likes to refer to it).
If the Muslims immigrants are unhappy in America why don't they return to their countries? America should never have allowed them settle here. It is like raising wolf's in your own backyard.
Do the Muslim countires allow easy immigration into their own countries for the non-Muslims or allow their places of worship?
Where ever the Muslims become a majority population they kick out or make life so difficult for the non-Muslims, e.g. Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kasmir, Bangla-desh, etc.
That's a BIG 10-4 !!!
The world is full of religious fighting and for some weird reason most fights involve muslims against somebody else. Name me just one non-muslim group with whom muslims actually get along. Just one, please!
The dead.
well said!
Clever! Had not thought of that one.
I REALLY dont care if (some) Muslims are mad at America. If you dont like this country, dont live here, move here or otherwise interact with us. Its a personal choice. If you dont like that your government supports or interacts with the US, change your government.
According to this article, Muslims think the West is trying to change them and that is bad. The FACT is the Koran says Muslims have an obligation to CHANGE all non-Muslims. If words dont work, then by force. It is Muslims that want to FORCE others to change to accommodate them. I lived in Saudi Arabia where I could not attend a Christian service BY LAW. No Western country forbids the practice of Islam. I have lived in Qatar where I was forced to comply with Shria. Same in Afghanistan, UAE, Iraq, Iran. Non-Muslims face systematic discrimination, persecution and physical harm in all but a very few Muslim countries. And somehow they are the ones who are mad?
I have many very good friends who also happen to be Muslim. I know we can coexist on a personal level. But the overwhelming masses and their leaders thrive on an anti-western, anti-christian belief. The very things they CLAIM are the policies of the west are in fact actual policies in their countries.
Go solar, go alternative energy, do anything to break our dependence on oil so we can rid ourselves of the entire Middle East.
Along with your well considered alternatives I add one more: Go Nuclear; All over their countries. Make them Glow so that Allah will recognize them in Hell.
AMEN
Who cares what they feel or think.Muslims attacked America. They murdered innocent people in cold blood.
It is an outrage that I cannot go a day without seeing this garbage in our country.If they are mad at us just have them leave.
They do not belong here anyway
You got the right cure for it doc, no doubt. If Muslims want Sharia law then they need to go back to those dark forbidding countries in which they practice it. Their goal however, is to spread it around the world like a cancer.
"Muslims are well aware of these tensions. They are drawn to the liberal ideas of democracy and pluralism and they want to find a way to incorporate them into their societies. Al Qaeda’s model of rejecting all Western influences in favor of purely traditional society garners little support."
To which I reply: Saudi Arabia? Muslim extremists other than al-Qaeda? Yes, there may be many Muslims who aspire to these things, but there are also many who despise us simply for who we are and what we represent.
I could not care less what muslims think about ANYthing.
The United States is not a perfect country and may not have the best foreign policies. I will be the first to admit that. But at least we're not flying planes into buildings. If Muslims want to be WITH us and not AGAINST us, then they need to start policing up their own. They need to start helping get rid of the bad apples out there that are giving the good ones a bad name. Then and only then will there be a coexistence free from hatred and tension.
Personally, Muslims have to be more controlling of their fanatic brothers. A united muslim community can drive those cowards underground, but, having said that, please, come to the United States, please come to Canada for that better life you seek, but leave your hatred and violence behind from where you come from. If you want to continue fighting, then go back home and kill your brothers, – don't do it here. Be a man and go to a battlefield and die. We welcome and respect your beliefs, we don't tell you to accept ours, we ask you respect them. Our way of life is a priviledge, many died to give it to us. Do not violate that honour you are given to come to Canada and The United States . Treasure the freedom to live as you please.
Um....who gives a rats @$$ what they like?????
You go girl !! They should all go back to the lands that live like that, leave America.
Why can't we rid ourselves of Oil dependency by finding alternate energy methods and let the middle east go back to what it was... a desert. If the west stays out of the picture they can go back to fighting among themselves and do the killing for us.
We could rid ourselves of Arab oil dependency by drilling here, drilling now, and paying less, but Democrats won't allow it. They would rather that we continue to purchase oil at inflated prices from people who want to destroy us.
The article seems to say that it is indeed a long running conflict in which the worlds Muslims want to see their way of life be law in whatever country they reside. If that is true, then I ask all Muslims to leave America. And I ask you why you came here in the first place? This country has founding principles that were laid down as law just for the purpose of avoiding what Islamic society apparently wants. I guess it is still the Crusades of the Middle Ages going on, but Americans didn't know that before 9/11.
It's all about whose religion is better... "My imaginary gawd is better than your imaginary gawd." Well guess what, my Tooth Fairy and Santa kicks all your gawds butts!
Psalm 14
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
NEWS FLASH! You are part of the problem.
We have a problem with terrorism for two main reasons. Our presence in Saudi Arabia and support for their government, and, the biggest reason of all, our support for Israel. Our support for Israel is utterly bizarre in that it violates the first principle of foreign policy which is to only make moves on the international stage that benefit your own nation. Our relationship with Israel actually hurts us a great, great deal. Many people falsely believe we support Israel because of our mutual problem with radical islamic terrorism. In reality, we have a problem with said terrorism because we support Israel. I have nothing against that country, I'm sure it's filled with good people. However America needs to start putting itself above all else, even if it means not coming to the rescue of other nations.
Your broken and cowardly logic does not explain terrorism around the world.
Israel is not "occupying" anyone outside of Israel, so why are there daily attacks around the world by muslims, done in the name of islam? ALL over the world.
India and the Sudan and Algeria and Pakistan and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and Sweden...
I guess thats all Israel's fault too, D-bag?
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
It's a big problem when their religion agrees with killing anyone other than themselves...
Support for Israel DOES benefit our nation. They are our ally in the war against Islamic domination and control. Israelis share our values of freedom and individual rights. Like us, Israelis seek peace. We need them as much as they need us.
All it's going to take is one more successful terrorist attack on the West and muslims will be hunted down in the streets like the pathetic, brainwashed dogs that they are. Pull your head out of your a$$es and stop blaming us because we don't put up with your religious nonsense.
Muslims have a great life here. I think they try to push it to see how far they can force their values on the people around them.
Yes, that is why you find them concentrated in certain areas. They do not assimilate. In twenty years their neighborhoods will all be ghettos which the cops will call "no-go" zones. They have mouthpieces who try to paint a picture of them being like the rest of America, but they are not, and that is just to lull America into a drowsiness which upon awakening to the danger it will be too late.
Some of them are honestly just mad because they're supposed to be blessed by Allah but all they have is a bunch of violence, sand, and women who hate them
everyone please look up the exchange David Horowitz had with a young lady from the University of California at San Diego. She runs the Moozlum student association. This women is the face of moderate Izlam. You defend them, but most want you gone as much as they want me gone. your not going to be spared because you defend their garbage religion. Look it up.
Muslims kill non-Muslims because this what Koran teaches. As much as I believe in freedom of religion i can't and won't allow a muslim around my family. This country doesn't need a religion that teaches murder.
Then out with the Christianity too.
Thou shalt not kill. Exodus 20:13
Far out, man! Was that in Harry Potter?
They will "still" be mad forever. Seriously, they are taught to hate.
so many stupid and ignorant people here ...american really need to get educated about outside world and stop watching too much football
Again, people are making assumptions on things that they don't understand. It is easy to hate, and make judgements, rather then sitting and understanding. As an american, I have be fortunate enough to listen and help people understand. If we took time to listen, the world would be a better place.
Are you joking? Muslims should be mad at themselves or whoever tricked them into following a religion with a rich and continuous history of violence and destruction. A religion which makes them kill people who don't agree with them and destroy precious historical cultural landmarks. So yeah...Muslims should be mad at themselves. "I told you so," won't help the situation though as they are equally proud as their religion is violent.
It is even worse – the punishment for apostasy from islam is death. So the hatefulness goes farther – kill ANY infidel even that one is your "former comrade". I do not know of anything similar in other ideologies (islam is warrior's ideology masqueraded as religion). Simply disgusting.
AMERICA: IN GOD WE TRUST!
No. Over time, as people become more educated, the USA will become more of an atheist society. It's already happening. We'll never live opt see it, but the day is coming when the US money will no longer say "In God We Trust". I say it'll take another few hundred years. But it's coming.
Wish I could be here to see it. It will be a great day.
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You'll be long dead and explaining your hate to G O D long before our money says anything different.
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It will be a day when humankind will mark another feat in its ascension to a better and safer future. Remember the Ancient Greeks – they would rejoice as well over such a victory ...
First this headline is misleading
A Clash of Civilizations? You bet, and it's not going to stop until: Muslims abandon the Shira Law that forbids women to show their face in public and prevents women form becoming educated. And, drop all requirements that their governments adhere to Shira law.
Nothing wilt sop until then. Nothing.
In fact, I refuse to deal with any woman who has their face covered. I refuse. If they want to live that way, go back to your own country. get out of here.
The US should adopt a law as France did that makes it illegal to cover ones face like that.
Jim
Muslims still mad at america? MUSLIMS took over 3000 lives on 9/11 in America and muslims are mad at america?Send all of the mad muslims back to the flea infested garbage heaps they love so much.I'll NEVER get over my anger at and distrust of ALL muslims.Muslims blame all terrorist acts on al Qaeda or the taliban when most terrorist act are carried out by just plain muslims.It's easy to tell if a muslim is planning a terrorist attack. If they are breathing.they are making plans.
The Beast (Cheney/Bush) Killed MORE Americans in Iraq than Osama Bin Laden did on 9/11 – and for NO REASON except to give Cheney's Halliburton a way to Steal BILLIONS and move it Qatar.
I don't give a rats azz about mooslims reasons for their anger, Lets really make them angry and exterminate them
America in the Middle Ages? So...Islamists want to BOMB the MAYANS? Got to HURRY before the 'End of Days' in 2012
Who gives a s*** if they are "still mad". They are Americas enemies so they will always be "mad".
What in the hell makes you think I care how they feel CNN?
Who gives a rat's behind whether they're still angry.
The enemy is Islam, not Muslims.
Like POGO said, "We have Met the enemy..and He is Us." The USA Patriot Act and Homeland Security have done FAR MORE HARM to The America That I Grew Up With than 19 Saudis and Pakistanis could EVER have done.
Islam is a PUTRID FESTERING SORE ON THE A$$ of the world.The religion of cur dogs
Amazing how the most fundamental and most critical reason why Muslims have an unfavorable view of America is not even mentioned. Muslims don't hate America. There is a difference between despising the foreign policy of a government and hating an entire country. Our government's unwavering support for Israel and its brutal occupation is one of the main reasons Muslims and even non-Muslims alike from across the world have an unfavorable view of the American government. Let's not forget that Palestinians are not just Muslim but also Christians who in many cases are equally oppressed and discriminated against. Muslim and world opinion of America will change only when our foreign policy changes.
Muslims need to quit asking the West for help in any form, and stop coming here to also take. I can't tell you how many patients we see at my hosp from muslim countries who are on Medicaid. Same in europe.
Reason number 1 why they don't like us: We're infidels.
Reason number 2: Our government keeps interfering with their governments. (I don't count Afghanistan. The Taliban asked for it by not turning over bin Laden.) This interference is not fully supported by the American people.
Reason number 3: WE'RE INFIDELS.
Islam is not a tolerant faith. When it was created and spread, it looked for enemies. It will not stop with Israel. It will not stop with the USA or Christianity. Look at the lives that people live in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Somalia. The biggest victims of Islam are it's followers.
Don't forget: there was a Muslim army knocking on the doors of Paris before any Christian army even thought about Jerusalem. Heck, there weren't any Christian states in existence in 732 AD.
I think that all muslims are evil, hate Americans because we are superior to them, and because we don't have to wear dirty beards......THEY should all be exterminated!!! Flat out!
Jesus had a beard. Would you call his "dirty"? You have the right spirit, let me tell you. (I am being totally sarcastic, you are a complete idiot and not to mention IGNORANT)
It took him 5 years for this study!!! I wished he asked me it will take 4 hours, go ask any Christain arab they will tell you the truth, just read thier Quran. Bin laden is the true Moslim. The problems with non Moslim they can't face thier terror. we live it every day.
Terrible article, you didn't mention the Tyrannosaurus Rex in the room; Israel. They hate us and attacked us on 9/11 because we give money and weapons to Israel which kills Arabs and occupies a country that treats the muslims terribly. Khalid sheik Muhammad even said so him self that he master mined 9/11 because the USA supports Israel
a few quotes from the Koran state to kill the infidels, we are them by the definition of what an infidel is.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Dont you know that 85% of China is islam,70% of Russia is Islam etc stop hate
Links to your ridiculous claims would be appreciated, from what it looks like in other sources you really need to learn how to read.
Tom, please don't quote things out of context. Don't pretend you understand the Qur'an. That verse was revealed at a very specific time for a very specific event in Islamic history. It had nothing to do with Christians or the West. You're only fooling yourself. Muslims were instructed to fight those who were fighting them.
Nobody sees the reality here. They hate the US because of it's dominionist and dispensationalist foreign policy agenda. Sharia law is something everyone is shaking in their boots over. Ooooo the boogeyman. Little do you all know that American Dominionist Agenda is the SAME thing, just in christian clothes? And those clothes are so much cuter, and warmer and fuzzier than the Islamic Burqa. Dominionism hides it's true self behind "family values," "morality," and the Christian Right. Why does our government so strongly support Israel? Why are our troops stationed in Arab and Muslim lands? Dominionism and Dispensationalism are FRIGHTENING. Muslims hate our country because they SEE this.
So true! It takes a bully to understand a bully, hey?
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
There, now there is no question of whether or not they want to kill us, it's in their bible to do so
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iif was obligatory on Muslims to kill non Muslims today Islam would have been the only religion in the world. read your history. The verse you quoted is a war time verse not peace time. Killing of innocent women, kids, old and no combatant is totally forbidden in Islam.
Well until a quote appears that states so, I'm going to have to discredit your personal belief... doesn't matter if they are innocent if they are against islam, they are infidels and will be treated as such.
Our country was founded by the Christian Right. That is why we have freedom of religion and other individual rights.
The Muslims are mad at us? They wouldn't be so angry if they'd accept us as much as they're insisting that we accept them. Furthermore, I wish Christians would quit pretending that they aren't trying to bring people to Jesus when we all know the truth: Of course that's what Christians are doing. Any kid in Sunday school will tell you that.
Unfortunately, the loudest people pushing God are actually using His name to achieve more power for themselves; and that includes Christians and Muslims. If everyone with a "religious" agenda (including politicians here in the U.S.) would just back the hell up and quit trying to push their "religious" ideas at us, everyone everywhere would be happier and live more peacefully. And for those loud Muslim or Christian people, here's the lost message from God: Love one another. Surprisingly, that simple message doesn't include guns or war or even pressuring people to accept your view of God in the first place.
In the USA, we welcome people of all faiths, but we're not going to change our country to fit you. It is your responsibility to find your way and assimilate. If you find that you are more comfortable with the culture of the country you left, you are free to leave and return there.
this ccountry is controled by the all seeing eye illuminati open your eye people
Muslims are mad at the Great Satan (aks USA) for a very simple reason.Alla* created the Universe purely for the Believers. Alla* commanded that all Unbelievers should bow and pay Jeziya to the Muslims, yet after all these years the Americans are not obeying. How can this be halal?
And gee! All those wimmens going around with their ankles and wrists uncovered!!! Haraam! Haraam!
"America seeks to undermine Islam ..." Hmmm – I think that is quite the contrary. Islam attempts to silence Christians all over the entire world with violence.
It amuses me a great deal when Muslims call our United States "Zionists" and we get so offended. The truth hurts. Look up dispensationalism. What is up with armageddon-focused foreign policy supported by the right wing Christian conservatives (who, by the way have completely bent what the true meaning of a conservative is).
Correction: Certain individuals who call themselves "muslim" choose to silence christians all over the world.
The USA made a big mistake going into Iraq the 2nd time and we probably deserve some of the dislike by Muslims. But the Muslim religion is based off hate of everyone that isn't Muslim. And if there are no others to hate and kill they would kill each other (12,000 Iraq's killed by suicide bombs). Oh, by the way alot of Muslims blown up by muslim suiicide bombers carried quran's. It's OK for Muslims to burn the Quaran by the way !
Who cares if they are mad. Flip the story and find out why America is still mad at the Muslims.
If it were not so close to the tenth anniversary of 9/11, I would check my calendar to be sure it wan't 4/1. Muslims mad at America! How ridiculous, last I heard they killed 3,000 Americans and some of them hid bin Laden. I wish I could write a CNN article on why Americans are mad at Muslims.
BFD, so people from around the hate America. What we need to watch out for are the ones trying to be are friend.
When a Christian church can be built in Mecca then I will sing kumbaya with Mooslims. Otherwise, as someone earlier stated, if a nuke goes off any where in the world, Mecca must be vaporized. Mooslims must understand that.
Why Muslims are still mad at America is for the basic simple fact, Islam and the Western world DO NOT MIX and never will.
Why Muslims are still mad at America ......Are you joking ? The real headline is Why Americans are still mad at Muslims after 9-11.....because they have tried on numerous times to attack and kill us again....lets see there was the Christmas day bomber the underwear bomber, the Fort Hood shooter, the Fort Hood shooter want a be, the army reciting center shooter, the Holocaust Museum shooter, the Time square boomer, the plot by Muslims to bomb synagogues and we as a nation and people are on HIGH alert because Muslims like to kill on anniversary's of there last attack, so what does this all tell us ? Muslim's are nothing but sick-o killers.
So the world tour applogies, the ass kissing, and the bowing to the muslims by the holy one has not improved our relationship with the muslims one iota? Hmmm. The only time the muslims will be happy is when all non-muslims have been beheaded. When the muslims flew airplanes into the WTC, the muslim world rejoiced. Wake up America, your anointed one is on the side of the muslims.
Muslims never wake up!! Even in India lot of muslims intentionally supports Pakistan cricket team to upset fellow indians. If you say rabbit has 4 legs, they will say no it has only 3 legs. This is what their behavior. No one can do anything unless Allah shows up in front of them and say something for their good life.
I must be truthful I dont trust muslims I feel if the dont like american way of life go home you crazt terrorist. loosen the rag you have tied around your head
..." most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role. They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture. Integrating these aspirations with liberal ideas of democracy and freedom of religion is a decidedly challenging endeavor."
I am an American, a combat veteran. my family has been in America since the 1600's...I don't want any part of the Muslim aspirations. I believe in humanity and not in any deity. Muslims particularly irritate me. They are impotent, backward cowards who use fear, murder, torture and a book of myths to gain and keep power. I prefer that they keep their disgust for the human race and desert idolatry along with the oil in the tents and dirt streets of the middle east. I don't care if this offends anyone.
Richard,
You claim you don't want anything to do with Muslims yet you serve a military that wants everything to do with Muslims and their land and resources. A bit hypocritical wouldn't you say? Read a little history my friend about Islam and Muslims. Maybe you will come to appreciate some of the many contributions that they made to western civilization. Let's not forget when Europe was going through the Dark Ages, Muslims were busy making breakthroughs in medicine and technology which without, Europe would have remained in the Dark Ages and the "discovery" of the "new world" would not have been possible. I challenge you to think with your mind as opposed to your hatred and ignorance. Read just a few pages about Islamic history and civilization and I guarantee that you will be amazed...
There is nothing more beatiful and peaceful than Islam.
yup
i agree
death to us part!
Yep they remind us all of the Amish
Female stoning and Sharia law...Nothing more beautiful. Especially on a cloudless clear day.
Let's get to the point – if, Muslims feel that America is wrong because they want to turn America into a Muslim state – then my answer is simple. I would like it if all of you whether born here or not go back to where you came from and make trouble in your home country. America is founded on Christian principles and I for one will fight to keep it that way. There is too much trouble with a religion being used to further people of the Muslim faith to make inroads here in America. We welcome all who come to America for a better life but not those who seek to turn this great country into another Muslim state. Go back to where you came from – there are more of us than you. We want you gone..Preach your hatred somewhere else.
The bottom line is this country wasnt founded by anybody that had anything to do with Islam. These Muslims need to go back to where they came from and realize they are not welcome in the USA.
Jimmy, muslims may not be welcome in your house, but please do not speak out loud on behalf of everyone. I hope you realize the striking similarity of your behavior with those who you are allegedly fighting.
If you really want to understand how a Muslim feels, then live with Muslims, or better yet in a predominantly Islamic nation. There are three reasons IMO:
1. anti US sentiment because of her protection of Israel,
2. they perceive the 2 wars Bush got us into as a war on muslims,
3. and most dangerous is "Jihad", the zeal to spread Islam [as opposed to the commonly labeled "struggle"]. Muhammad spread Islam by the sword if you remember.
While there are good muslims, they are often silent, and cautious on criticizing terror attacks in fears for their own lives. Something as small as a conversion from Islam to Christianity is an automatic death sentence. Again, there are so many good Muslims that get overshadowed.
It is unrealistic and unfair to develop a Muslim stereotype and then assert that Muslims want this or that, as though all Muslims wish for the same outcomes. Having traveled in a number of Muslim countries and lived among some Muslims in Europe, there are widely differing expectations among them and in the ways that they apply Islam to their daily lives. Islam often is intertwined with other cultural considerations. Some insist upon women wearing the veil and others never that, some want to live under Sharia law and others do not – many oppose restrictions which they say are not contained in the Q'ran and others adhere to practices which they say have been legitimately imposed. Others who have emigrated to other, often non-Islamic countries and regions have accommodated themselves and their practices at least to a degree to the cultures in which they now live.
Mr Kull, thank you for a well worded, well thought out, informative article.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
looks very peaceful, I mean heck if you kill everyone else then you're left with paradise, awesome religion there....
I was always amazed on how taking things out of context/ from an entire book creates unrecoverable damage to ones understanding of that exact book. Tell me, if I take similar looking excerpt from Torah or Bible, will I not have the same result?
How is it out of context exactly?
Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
These are statements on what to do in the religion, nothing to be taken from context, it's a direct quote for an action, not a bible story.
If you are amazed then tell me how it should be taken? being your "version" of what it's contextually describing... seems pretty clear to me
Um... no, you will not find anything about the acceptance of killing anyone in the Christian's New Testament. And it would be very hard pressed to find anything remotely like it. The Christian church teaches tolerance and love for all, even at the death of the individual christian.
So, NO, you won't find passages in the New Testament about the need to kill people because of their beliefs- except the killing of Christ- but that is what it's all about.
Thou shalt not kill." (Exodus 20:13)
"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." (Koran 9:5)
wrong. Again out of context. Look a little further than your nose and understand that this verse was dedicated to a period of time in Muhammad's life. Do a little research will ya?
You know what CNN....we should make the USA look just like the middle east. The middle east is, after all, a booming modern society with tolerance and respect for everyone in the world. Let's just load up the boats and bring them all over here wo we can all live together. In muslim countries, people of all faiths get along just fine and nobody wants to kill each other. Personally, I think we should have more suicide bombers and religious homicidial maniacs in our society. That is just what we need. Maybe we can even move Mecca over and put it where CNN headquarters is. The more muslims the better! Maybe they won't be mad at us then!!! BOO HOO FOR ALL THE NUTCASE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD!!!!! NOBODY LIKE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M CRYING IN MY BEER BECAUSE THEY ARE SO OPPRESSED HERE!!
Muslims are never happy. Look at their countries, they live like animals and blame everyone else.
Who cares......
WOW.. Really good work
"U.S. support for Israel, sometimes described as ‘America’s aircraft carrier in the region’ "....Hmmmm does this guy is actually suggesting that IF the US did not supported Israel they way the US does things might be different? Yes, he is saying that. what a *******
Ultimately koll’s analysis is an attempt to fit a square peg in a round hole. Any analysis must begin with certain basic facts.
1. The Koran is a literal dictation from G-d to the angel Gabriel to Mohamed.
2. Islam means submission to the will of G-d as reflected in the Koran and the moral parables as reflected in the hadiths.
3. Islam divides the world into Dar al Harb (the other) and Dar al Islam.
4. Dar al Islam is in eternal conflict with Dar al Harb and is required to conquer it and not co-exist with it.
The failure to deal with these basic facts renders Koll’s analysis beside the point - no matter how he might dress it up politically correct verbiage.
At bottom, Koll asks the West to accept and understand Islam, he makes no similar request of Islam. He is simply an apologist for Islam.
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Maybe Koll and the rest of the Muslims should accept and understand Christianity.
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I agree.
LOL "Understand". As in "listen – we're here to take over – and if you don't give up your religion and follow us, you will be killed"? If Islamists don't like America, they should pack up their brainwashed families and leave America – and go back to the mess they started from... Not take their troubles to America and start wars with people who are trying to help them overseas.
Literal dictation might be stretching it a little. Mohamed had visions in his dreams that he had someone write down for him when he was awake. 20 some years worth. Who knows what he actually remembered from his dreams, or what was actually written down was the same as the dream. We will never know as it is forbidden. Memories from one persons experience, might be true, might not, there isn't any cross reference to confirm like in the Bible with thousands of witnesses and many writers all recording history.
Steven, About 12 years ago, there was a near revolt in Iran by the youth demanding greater liberalization and democratization of the government. Back then, the US / Iran relationship was almost showing signs of thawing. I even knew a couple Iranian college students who had been granted educational visas to study in the US. However, the religious right in Iran eventually cracked down on their own people, taking steps like increasing internet censorship and cracking down on socially liberal activiites that violated Muslim.
Do you think the youth liberalisation movement is still alive in Iran or has the Iranian regime and the course of world events over the last 10 years, perhaps caused the young liberals to resent the US as their parents did?
apparently 1700 years of history has fallen on deaf ears, they have been disliking everyone for that time then 200 years ago we came along and there you go. hopefully they will post this story tomorrow so I can twice not care.
Really? Christians going into the middle east during crusades after 1000 AD bad, but Muslims driving Christians out from 600 to 1000 AD good? My experience with most non-American muslims is their education levels are terrible and they rely on pretty poor sources for their arguements. I was once told that Christians ate babies by a Muslim from Turkey. I've also heard a muslim say he hated jews and that they all should be killed not realizing a close friend of his was jewish. The reality of the situation can be boiled down to people in power want to maintain their power and they will say what they can to either keep or change a situation. My advice to Muslims out side of America is quit blaming us for things we really don't have control over.
Religion is based upon region, education and culture. One will not work in every area of the world. If Islam can provide a stable and beneficial cultural environment for the people, may it be strong. The inherent problem is people who subvert any and all religions for their own ulterior personal motives.
Nice: but WHY don't we SEE the MILLIONS in the streets proclaiming this? Both to yourselves and other religions. Just look at Al Jerezza..or however you spell it. ACTIONS speak MUCH louder than words my fellow human beings.
For the very same reason that you don't see millions of Americans in the streets screaming for our government to cease bombing innocent civilians.
CAiR is founded by who? Why do they exist?
http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/learn/recent-news/10-newsmaster/1687-brigitte-gabriel-takes-the-gloves-off-on-fort-hood-and-cair
Islam fully oppresses women, which means about a half billion people. So, where is the global feminist outrage? Why is there no million Muslim march on DC for their rights? Silence means they either do not know, or do not care. Which one is it?
CAIR is a terrorist organization
Frankly, I don't believe you. Here is what your own leader had to say on the subject:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
1998 speech to Muslims in California by Omar Ahmad, co-founder of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
CAIR was founded as a HAMAS propaganda tool. Islam means "submission," not peace. It was spread by war, not peace. It's enforced by death threats, not peace. Its followers kill "infidels" in EVERY Muslim country. The Quran and Hadith are FULL of intolerance and commands to conquer or kill nonbelievers. There's no such thing as "secular" Islam. Once Islam gets a foothold, its followers won't rest until Islam controls all aspects of life, which means criticism will provoke death threats, like in EVERY Muslim country today. America: Beware! Islam is against freedom of speech, freedom of thought, equal rights for women. Read the Quran and Hadith! USC has translations. They are not texts of peace. They are texts of anger, backwardness and murder.
MORE about justice ... and a very subjective version I might add. The quality of life you offer is hardship, strife and conflict.
America is going the way of all Empires: broke and despised. We cannot afford our massive military, and it is our military that causes so much hatred. In 100 years America will be like Britain and Germany now – former World powers living peacefully with their neighbors. Hopefully the nut cases here in the U.S. can be contained until we get to the point where we can get along with people.
America isn't going to sit around, after 9/11 and let their country get messed-over by lunatic bat-sh17 muslim extremeists. You need to put the bong down, or take your delusion elsewhere. Maybe the middle-east somewhere?
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Nobody gives a rats a$$ what muslims think. They still stone to death for dating a non-muslim.
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The rules of the religion (while these geniuses make "law") is bottom-feeder material, making those who follow the laws the lowest-of-the-low. How can anyone live with themselves after beating their women for disobedience? Or killing their own family members for ANY reason whatsoever? I suspect it's called "mental illness" that lets them live with themselves. There are pills for psychopaths to help. And for the rest of them, there's cyanide. When they've done the unimaginable, they take it out on, and blame the West... and then b!tch and while about not being treated properly, for not licking their quaranny boots clean.
Such a bunch of words!! Islam is a political party. I have not read the whole Quran, but what I have read it espouses a potlical order ruled by violance.You either agree with them or suffer death. SURA 9:5 " Slay the idolaters where you find them." I'm sure they mean me & about 300m others.
Same pathetic Liberal BS – just based on Dr Joyce-style "research." Islam is the problem. In its current form it's a crude Medieval religion – just like the Catholicism that gave rise to the Crusades. It needs to undergo a reformation and be brought into the modern age. But anyone stupid enough to think that you can really understand what Muslims – or anyone else – think by asking them should be doing something productive – like working in a convenience store somewhere. What they say, what they do, and what they really wish for are all different things.
First off don't immigrate here if you are mad at America, second you should be asked if you believe in freedom of religion if you answer "no" well no green card or student visa have a nice day in your rathole failure country of hate filled origin............most muslim countries are racist biggots and kill you if you disagree............even Saudia Arabia has a law that it is death to spread any religion but islam..........gee how wonderful.
This is proof that all that nonsense about Obama improving America's image in the world was pure B.S. Just more lies from the idiots that supported President ZERO and the clown posse in the current regime.
Personally I say increase funding to Israel and concel funding to Obama's allies in the mideast the islamofacists.
A very idiotic headline.
Just like a headline asking, "Why do Christians still support the Ku Klux Klan," would be just as idiotic.
The majority of Muslims don't hate the USA. Just like the majority of (Caucasian) Christians don't support racist views against non Caucasians.
Who cares if they are mad at America they hate everyone........they are hate filled people in a hate filled false religion.
And you think some of us have forgiven the muslims for the jihad against America, NOT A CHANCE IN HELL, we havent started with mad yet and we NEVER forget, time will come that those muslims that are mad at America will fall to their knees and beg for forgiveness for their sins and We The People shall show them our furry and they shall see what Christians do when we are mad and hell hast no furry from the christian wrath and the shall feel that wrath.
go pick pieces of bones around ground zero in the meantime
Religion is the problem. Islam just being one of them. Please come out of the dark ages and join us in reality.
I think the dichotomy between democratic values and religious ones isn't as internalized as the author believes. Anyone with two neurons to rub together, regardless of their religion, would understand that you can't have freedom of religion and theocracy in the same system. It's not just a cultural contradiction. It's a *logical* contradiction. They live in a different culture, but the Muslims of the Middle East aren't idiots.
Hmmm... because we still haven't stopped interfering in the affairs of countries with majority muslim populations on the other side of the world to serve our own interests?
We live in a society where our schools, media, and government make it taboo to even dare to utter a bad word about Muslims.
Read the Koran, people...Even the "nice Muslims" (not extremist) are supposed to kill the infidels (those who are not Muslim). They are not allowed to befriend a Christian or nonbeliever.
These people are your neighbors, teachers, doctors, etc...and they are told by their religion to kill us.
When will people start to think for themselves instead of letting the media and government tell them what to think???
Islam was spread by the sword, it is hardly a religon of peace. The crusades were organized to throw the muslims out of the holy land which they had taken by conquest.They took Constantinople and Crete. They invaded and held Spain for hundreds of years and were pushing into France when they were stopped at Tours. They took parts of Italy and Sicily and invaded far into Eastern Europe finally being halted at the gates of Vienna , Austria in 1683.They have always been an aggresive menace and will likely always be so. The only reason they are not at the moment is they are militarily backward.
this article fails to mention US support of Israel and Israel's idiotic settlement policy – the US keeps pressing for peace while Israel keeps expanding it settlements into Palestinian territory – take a look at a map of Palestinian territory and you will see it is shrinking significantly....this is Apartheid plain and simple...that double standard infuriates Muslims and Bin Laden said it was one of the reasons why the Twin Towers were attacked...not all Isaelis want these settlements..it's the radical right
What you are calling "Palestinian territory" is part of the traditional Jewish homeland.
In a way we are to blame for our woes with the Middle East. If we were more willing to drill our own oil and stayed away from theirs there wouldn't be the hatred and attacks. But we did have to go to the Middle East and get their oil to keep the tree huggers here happy. We are sitting on huge amounts of our own oil and gas. Just sitting on it. Meantime, we go to the Middle East, get their oil, interfere with their culture and they start fighting back with vicious attacks over more than 30 years. We don't listen to anyone else. Our government refuses to listen to the European nations that have already been the socialist route, found it is not a good choice and have been trying to warn our government not to take the same route. We don't listen when the Middle East says to leave them in peace with their culture. Yes, there are terrible terrible things they do to women over there, criminals don't have the ACLU to prevent them from getting their hands cut off for stealing, etc. I understand how that stuff hurts our hearts and makes us want to "save" them. It is horrible to know these things are happening to other human beings. It still comes down to we need to use our own resources and stop trying to change the cultures that have survived for thousands of years. We took the Native Americans here an forced them to live our way. What right do we have to do these things to people? We have a goverrnment running us into the ground and towards socialism. We are not a good example for the rest of the world. We need to get our own house in order. Get out of the Middle East, leave them to their cultures no matter how bad or ugly and work towards returning our own country to greatness. Sorry if I rambled, but at 62 years of age I am getting really tired of watching my country go downhill like it is.
"""Those building's were brought down and those poor people died so the US could steal all of the natural resources from the Middle East that they no longer possess!!!!!!!!!!!!"""
@mary, are you saying that they no longer want the dollars we have been paying for under universal trade? Maybe you are a raging idiot.
Not much difference between bin Laden and Fred Phelps. Both are (or were) mentally disordered religious extremists that have let their hatred of some imaginary 'other side' blind them. The difference is the Phelps followers don't feel as oppressed and as disenfranchised as the bin Laden followers do. In America, we have seemingly endless resources so most of us that are driven to succeed have a pretty decent chance of doing so. When you remove that element, it becomes easier to follow your leader to the death.
So if Muslim hatred of America stems from a historical narrative of Christianity attacking the Muslim world, then why do they show even more hatred towards Jews? Surely they can't feel threatened by a group that makes up only .05% of the world's population, and surely it means little to Muslims in Iran if the grandchildren of Palestinian refugees reclaim the land that they in turn took from others before them. What about their hatred towards Buddhists? Have the Buddhists ever done wrong to anyone? That didn't stop them from destroying Buddhist temples and ancient holy sites. Maybe you need to understand that Muslims have no tolerance toward any other religion or culture and in that respect they are fundamentally different from the modern Western world's belief in equality.
Lot of comments here so maybe this has already been said but based on the only view I have (the media) I would hold the radical followers of Islam in no better stead than the radical Christian crusaders of old. Arrogance is one group of people behaving like no other group has any value and, at extreme, must conform or die. Perhaps we Americans are guilty of mistrust of other cultures. But the Muslim/Islam faith appears to completely closed off from others who don't feel the same way. Just like the members of Asian and European cultures that bring their families to America for a better life and then form small – closed societies here. I think it's important to maintain your heritage and I believe America really does welcome cultures and faiths from other lands but these folks have come here for a reason and it's not unreasonable to expect them to participate in this society in positive ways. If there are so many Muslims who reject the violent and radical lunatics of Islam – why do they not speak? 10 years after 9/11 where are the thousands of Muslim voices rejecting this mayhem? By far most of what I see in the media is the predominantly accepted view of Islam – venom and carnage.
The trouble with Islamophobia is that it is an irrational concept. It confuses hatred of, and discrimination against, Muslims on the one hand with criticism of Islam on the other. The charge of 'Islamophobia' is all too often used not to highlight racism but to stifle criticism. And in reality discrimination against Muslims is not as great as is often perceived – but criticism of Islam should be greater.
Because what is coming out of these Islamaphobes are ridiculous accusations that have no merit. It's all about fearmongering.
mad at us? this is simple. i have no dislike of muslims, but i never hear them standing up to condemn the radicals every time they pull off some horrid terrorist attack... even if they cam from their own mosque. it comes of as silent approval. maybe we should be mad at them
I don't care what Muslims think about the US. Frankly, I don't care what any other country/group of people thinks about the US. Muslims should stay out of the United States. Their beliefs directly contradict the basis for freedom in the United States. Read the Koran if you think that statement is misguided, I have and know the truth. If they want to live by the rules of archaic religion so be it. If they want to come here they are the ones who need to change not us. If they don't like it stay in their mudhuts, desert tent, or wherever other hell hole Muslims orginate from. If they want to become Americans, and abide by our laws and rules then they are more than welcome to come to America.
This is disgusting. How anyone can have any discourse around islam without mentioning their systematic degradation and slavery of women is astounding. The world rebelled when South Africa relegated blacks to second-class status. The world, including idiots like this author, has no problem utterly ignoring the subjugation of an entire class of people.
ahh I see ... so the Muslims believe that as the will of the people changes then the law of Sharia follows and muslim government and religion will be dominant based on the free will of the people ...? I wonder what their response would be to Christians explaining Christianity to muslims in the bazaars and when the people choose to follow Christ and reject Sharia law .... will Muslims willingly accept that? or will they impose Sharia law on the infidels?
'Why Muslims are still mad at America?"
I do not understand the point of the question. Nor do I understand the reason for such huge analysis, Q&A sessions, blogs etc etc..
Isn't it a fact that Muslims are mad at everybody who is not a Muslim? Topics like secularism, pluralism and democracy are supposed to be anti-Islamic period. Why does this simple fact need a discussion?
I am a muslim and I do not hate anyone who is different than I am. But I do not feel the urge to prove you otherwise, since I do not think it will matter to you. I think it is all about having a broader view about things. Maybe I would be saying different things if I was actually from Middle East, but that only proves that it is easier to judge and make assumptions while standing aside.
My advice is to take your religion to the closet and keep it there. The Muslim faith has done nothing to improve the quality of life for it's adherents. Where ever it is, conflict and strife follow. I would be an athiest before I would follow such madness.
I assume despite your misuse of the English language you mean angry rather than insane. However, the simplest explanation is that not all Islamics are involved and that religious fanatics are always angry.
"This is not simply imagined. Currently in Congress there are efforts to ensure that U.S. funding of democracy promotion in Egypt only benefits liberal, secular parties and does not in any way benefit Islamist parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood."
We're giving those countries our hard-earned money. What have they ever done for us? I mean besides murdering our people.
Very well written. Taking an modern anthropological approach, the "clash of cultures" is more a function of friction and awareness brought about by the shrinking of the world though modern technology. Case in point. Al Queda. When OBL lair was raided, he had televisions, vcrs, dvds, computers, flash drives, etc. All modern inventions. Yet the philosophy of Al Queda is actively based on living life in a medival way. It is as if we are giving Borneo tribesmen automatic weapons. Recall what happened when American Indians were introduced to firearms and alcohol. A stable (albeit at times violent) societal structure that had lasted, virtually unchanged for millenia was completely disrupted. My feeling, is that but for oil and Israel, we would just let the deserts and peoples of the middle east be whatever they are going to be. The Taliban is utterly repressive, but then so is China, and so was the old Soviet Union.
I do hope that animosity is able to be reduced over time between Muslim and western societies. However, there is a fundamental difference that seems to make this very difficult. It is very important in Western societies to have a separation odf church and state. If it very important in Muslim societies that these be combined. Small countries like the Netherlands feel genuinely threatened that demographic changes will lead to religion influencing governmental policy (I DO NOT support the recent actions of Anders Breivik). However, I fight briskly to keep christian influence out of U.S. government policy, and I would fight briskly against ANY religion that tried to influence governmental policy of the U.S.
Frankly, My Dear, I Don't Give A Damn!!
Okay Steven Kull, now turn your attention to us, Americans. Why don't you now write an article about the muslim agenda in America"The destruction of our country through muslinsm". They took down the World Trade Center to build a mosque, lucky for us, they can't build on the site, so are so disgusting that demand to build a block away. Muslims are on a mission to build mosques (training camps) all over our country with funding from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the antichrist of IRAN.
The truth is, Islam does not choose to coexist with any other religion, and is totally non-tolerant of any other religion, so Islam wants to take over the entire planet, to get rid of, all other religions.
The goal, is world domination. pure and simple. Americans, are NOT going to accept that effort, in any way.
Dare I say you are wrong? People tend to forget that not all muslims are arabs and not all of us are wearing the same shoes.
I should have also mentioned that supporting Zionist Israel is not helping our popularity.
Who cares what a bunch of muslims think about us. Not me.
well , Do not buy the oil from med east ,and than we will see if you will ever have a job in the USA
All you anti-Islamic are the reason why Muslims feel negative about America. Look at these comments, how does the Quran justify all acts of violence against humanity? The reason Muslims don't support Al Qaeda is because Muslims are being killed? For goodness sakes, we treat Muslims as second class and spread all of these propaganda around to make a whole group look bad. If America wants good relations, start by being tough on Israel because that is what is holding the US back.
Thanks JJ , i wish that there will be more like you that understand whats going on.
We don't have room for these homicidal, crybaby, intolerant, brainwashed islamic retards in this country. Get the fuk out of here
I get bored with the stories of what Muslims are thinking and feeling.
Never do we see examples of brave Muslims coming forward a demanding their faith back from the extremists.
What we do hear a quick comment that 9-11 does not represent Muslims and then we an endless story about how they are being discriminated against and how the policies of the U.S. are hurting Muslim nations.
As others, such as wzrd1, have posted, the mainstream media does not portray the real reactions and feelings of everyday Muslims, instead they ALWAYS plaster the crazy Muslims as the "real" Muslims.
I love how the writer points out all of the contradictions and misconceptions within the Muslim community itself but then basically comes to the conclusion that they are right to hate us and that it's totally our fault. Utter nonsense.
To Everyone: If any of you were to actually read the Quran without being biased you would come to the same conclusion as wzrd 1, and other unbiased people have. Islam DOES NOT FORCE non-muslims to become Muslims, and neither does it condone 9/11. Please open your minds, and stop spewing lies on the internet!
Muslims.....Islamics...........Catholics..........Jews.............Protestants..........ALL religious people are MAD!
Interesting read – couple sentences really stand out to me that I think require a second look:
"Western cultural products are seen as seductively undermining Islamic culture."
The worlds population who now can view western culture through the internet is enormous – the question is:
Do free societies allow the free consumption of information? If so – then humans will naturally be drawn to the "cultural products" they prefer more.
"Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion."
I think this is very strange statement. Not allowing a person to choose their religion and instead be destined to only practice the religion they "grew up in" or the majority religion for where they live on the globe – seems to go against the basic human rights of humanity.
In general I think that much of the problem we have today regarding this subject is because today (like it or not – and you can't turn back the clock) the world is globally connected. The average person in the muslim world can easily get information (good or bad or distorted) on the non-muslim (or western) world – and the non-muslim (or western world) world can easily get information (good or bad or distorted) on the muslim world. The peaceful existence of our globe depends on individuals choosing clear, sane, logical rational thought that preserves humanity not hate.
JB
In fact, we have the same internal conflict within the United States. We have politically significant group of super-religious Protestant Christians who also view the Renaissance, the Enlightenment (in both its scientific and philosophical embodiments), and their secularizing tendencies, as anti-Christian and retrograde within the context of the fundamentalist Protestant Christian historical narrative. This religious force, while not representing the majority of Americans, is driving the ideological stance and the candidate selection process of one of our two major political parties.
Actually, I just formed a mental picture of the old WWII army recruiting poster that is so familiar to us all. The one with Uncle Sam pointing at the reader with the slogan, "Uncle Sam wants you for the US Army!"
Now, just replace Uncle Sam with Jesus on the poster and change the caption to "God wants you to vote for [ Insert any current GOP candidate.]!
There seems to be tension between freedom loving people, loving individual freedoms, and Islam. I feel especially sorry for women in the Islamic world who are opressed and have no individual freedom to chose their clothes or their activities. The Islamics in America can practice their religion because freedom loving Americans have fought, suffered, and died to oppose tirany that would oppress individual freedoms.
It states in the Quran that people of other religions must be converted or killed. Here is America, we have the freedom to possess firearms and until the Quran expresses love for all people, I'll keep my firearms close.
What I got from this is basically that Muslims are taking American foreign policy personally. America acts to preserve its interests and its way of life. If Buddhists nations were presenting a threat to our interests we'd be cracking down on them instead. It has nothing to do with their religion or their way of life so much as it has to do with their religion and their way of life as applicable to theocratic governments which do pose a problem for us. If they were all content to just sit in their individual geographic areas and not interfere with our needs in that part of the world and keep to themselves we'd have no issues at all. It is also worth noting that when the Caliphate did exist it was guilty of the same sort of political chess as America. The rulers and generals of the Caliphate pit differing beliefs against one another and waged brutal campaigns to bring Islam and Islamic rule by the sword to all the infidels. I suppose though they have a short historical memory when it comes to their own past. If they looked at the big picture they would find that america is no different from the Caliphate and is simply preserving its power and way of life. The difference is that empire building is frowned upon these days so we can't just go in and occupy territory indefinitely. The best we can do is nation building and hope it works out.
hey where is my post, i put a lot of work into it and followed all the rules. did I ruffle someones feathers or will you explain why my post is missing
Don't waste your time. CNN comments are a load of crap. They censor opinions that they don't like all the time.
We reject you Islam
We reject you muslims
We reject your false prophet, and we reject your devil allah. That is why you are mad at us, and I accept you being mad, because I am doing the right thing by rejecting you and your cult. I encourage you to be mad, and to wage your jihad, because I will continue to reject all of your falsehoods and lies, and with your jihad more people will reject you than will submit to you.
You are more than welcome to take our weak and cowardly into your ranks, since that is all you will get. Oh, and the racist criminals who convert to your cult as well, you can have them too.
WOW. Talk about a racist religion. Muslims are at the #1 spot.
"Islamic traditions that make Sharia the basis of law, not the will of the people, and inevitably keep women in their traditional oppressed roles and minority religions discriminated against."
But hey. I'm all for keeping the females home, naked, pregnant, etc, etc.
We should withdrawal all our troops from muslim countries, and stop buying and using there oil.
Let them all go back to being poor, camel jocks, and killing each other.
But then they will still use America as a skate goat for their problems.
OK. Now that what understand what Muslims don't like about America and the West, here's a proposal for Muslims. Stay out of the USA and Western Europe. We will deport all Muslim refugees out of Europe and the USA to Somalia. In return, we will stay out of your countries. We will buy no oil from you, fight no dictators for you (see Kuwait 1991 and Libya 2011), provide no food aid, engage in no trade with you, accept no students from you, won't allow your planes to land here, allow no immigration, and won't let our banks do to channel business with you. That frees you up to beat your wives, kill your daughters in "honor killings", starve your children, abuse your animals, and grow and consume your heroin. Deal?
Tough to tray and mix law and religion. Religion is generally a personal choice. Laws are not a personal choice. Just hard to see how an arguement can be made that because of "religious choices" a person is permitted to strap a bomb to his chest and kill innocent people. Islam has so many sectors and everyone of them think they are "right and justified". That is why they have fought each other for centuries and always will.
Isn't it interesting how it is "OK" for the "progressives/liberals" to excuse Muslims for clinging so strongly to their ancient and arcain religion... but the rest of the world gets maligned and impugned for expressing a desire to adhear to any of the other religions? Why so much sympathy and understanding for muslims and not for Jews or Christians? Why is it ok in Liberals eyes for Muslims to want to spread Islam across the globe? If this religious expansionism was occuring by Jews or Hindus... the Liberals would be shouting against it from the highest mountain tops! Someone please explain this to me/us.
I see so if Muslims undermine, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sheikism and every other ism on the planet it is OK. However if anyone defend these other religions or the freedom of religion they are hated by Muslims. Mohammed would be so proud of what he has created. A narcissistic self perpetuating ideology that attempts to destroy all other faiths while justifying itself by playing the victim all the while murdering, and/or discriminating against all "others".
Each time some journalist or academic writes about how Islamic anger dates back to the crusades, he should be required to provide the following background info: Egypt, Syria, Spain, Lebanon, and Tunisia (among others) were once provinces of the Roman Empire, whose religion was Christianity when they were invaded by Muslim Arabs in the 7th Century. The Christian population was reduced to legal second class status and placed under great pressure to convert to Islam, were absolutely forbidden to own land, and were now allowed to serve in the army. These are the facts. The Crusades were an attempt by Christian kingdoms in Europe to come to the aid of their fellow Christians and expel the Muslim Arabs from the lands they invaded previously. Excluding this part of the story places any author who does so in the position of being a propagandist and apologist for "Muslim anger". Readers should beware.
The Muslim World, as it appears to many American Born citizens is EXTREME! And it seems THEY want to PUSH their views onto the AMERICAN WEST. This is a Perception.... I stand like any other Home Grown American.... If you are against this country, they don’t come here. If you live here and hate its policies, then go back where you came from. However, if you accept that the WEST is about LIBERTY and HUMAN RIGHTS... they STAY and FIGHT.
Americans would love to find an environmentally safe alternative to oil so that we could forger Muslims altogether.
1 more reason to bring our troops and our money home.
Muslims are angry at the US because most Americans don't stick their butts in the air and bow towards Mecca three times per day. They want all the world to be under Sharia law where non-Muslims are virtual slaves to Muslims.
Americans have shed quite a bit of blood on behalf of Muslims.
Yeah, America did not withdraw from the Middle East after 9/11. Why should we? We went in to dismantle the terrorist network that murdered our people.
Islam owes America an apology. America does not owe Islam a thing.
The Muslim World, as it appears to many American Born citizens is EXTREME! And it seems THEY want to PUSH their views onto the AMERICAN WEST. This is a Perception.... I stand like any other Home Grown American.... If you are against this country, theN don’t come here. If you live here and hate its policies, then go back where you came from. However, if you accept that the WEST is about LIBERTY and HUMAN RIGHTS... theN STAY and FIGHT.
CNN must be owned by the Saudi's. We have article after article crying about how Muslims are not understood and how they are the victim when other muslims commit acts of terror.
Unfortunately, Islam (and to some degree other religions) is suffering due to losing its mechanisms of ideological suppression. In a world where information flows freely, it is impossible to close out the superior, advanced memes of the future and the space/information age. Preventing this ideological infiltration was always a key to maintaining a strong grip on the Muslim mind. The grip is slipping, the Emperor's cloths are off and it infuriates those that are powerless against the real will of Allah, the will to educate His children with the Eternal Truth, not those passed on in paper or verbal form which are subject to corruption.
Muslims need to clean house and accept responsibility for all the wars and conflicts they are involved in (look at all of the skirmishes around the world for the last 50 years and 90% of them involve Muslims–the religion of peace) if America is going to change its negative view on their religion.
THANK YOU CNN FOR ADMITTING THAT YOU ARE PART OF THE EXTREME RIGHT WING NAZIISM THAT IS KILLING FREEDOM THROUGHOUT THE WORLD . THE DELETION OF THE POST THAT i JUST ATTEMPTED IS PROOF POSITIVE OF THIS AND i AM DISGUSTED WITH YOUR POST ORWELLIAN WORLD JOURNALISM
This Lady may have stumbled
But She ain't never fell
And if the Muslims don't believe that
They can all go straight to hell
– With apologies to Charlie Daniels
its illegal for women to drive cars in saudi arabia, but no the west is the problem looooooool
"America seeks to undermine Islam." Well, if defend against = undermine, then yes. And please don't expect it to be as easy to forge the Islamification of America as it was in England. Islam is a threat to anyone who is not Muslim.
I feel so misunderstood by Muslims. Why aren't there any articles about that? I am so offended.
If most muslims are offended that America isn't going to stand for their brainless religious backwash and b-s, threats and refusal to let them treat women like trash – they can bloody well leave as quick as they came. "Their" women can stay in America where they have rights and a chance to live a humane, dignified life. It's that simple. Send these unwashed barbarians home.
For Muslims, the bell constantly rings by many that the US is the instigator of nearly all that is wrong. Their ignorant, comedic and illogical conpiracy theories and the cultural predisposition to avoid looking inward at their own failings feed their victimization. Is that the fault of the US yet again?
The largest problem I see coming out of the Muslim world is a religious bigotry that is as bad as the Spanish inquisition. Walk down the street in New York as a woman in a burqa you might get sneered at a time or two. Walk down the street in a major Muslim capital with a crucifix medal exposed on your chest and you probably will get killed or marked for death. Cultural intolerance is fine in their own country but when others don't tolerate their bigoted separatism in other countries, their "in your face" cultural practices, they cry of discrimination and vengeance.
Trying to understand such people only enables their twisted thinking....if they want to act like victims nothing we can do will stop it. The Arab spring has to happen in places like Syria, Iran and in SA and it is their only hope. If the terrorist groups spent as much time and energy trying to improve their own countries instead of how they can go after Israel, they would have a more successful society and be happier. Muslims have to wake up, hold themselves accountable, replace oppressive governments, and live in a real world and recognize those that are not of their faith or culture are on this earth as legitimately as they are and that is should be respected. They have to stop spending their energies blaming the US and others for their own failures and dreaming of revenge. For them to live in a logical world is the best we can hope for.
Lol pakistan was harboring Bin Laden. And he was responsible for killing people in 9/11. America, nor anybody else gives a rat's a$s about what Muslims think about that – nor do they care about the bells that ring in Muslims' ears. Most muslims I know shower once a week and have their ear canals crusted over with wax & filth – so if they're hearing bells – it's time to take a shower and use Q-Tips, and maybe get some anti-psychotic meds & brainwashing therapy to rid themselves of what Americans hate the most - extremeist religion.
Why is it that WE had no problems when Americans never even heard of Muslims? Time machine time.
Screw those muslim Arabs. We don't need them here.
Can any Muslim tell me why they continue to discriminate against women, and yet want a Westerner to accept this? Can any woman not born a Muslim tell me why they would support a religion that doesn't have equality?
Muslims = Haters
I said this 10 years ago and was screamed at by my sister-in-law; I know that all Muslims are not responsible for 9/11, but at the same time I can understand why there is prejudice against them. I live in New York; the 9/11 attacks had a great impact on me. I still am wary when I am in a public place and someone fitting the description is acting oddly. In fact, I was at a football game this weekend and there was a Middle Eastern of descent individual acting oddly, standing in the middle of the aisles placing cell phone calls, and it made me extremely uncomfortable. I wanted to leave. For all of you who will raise a clamor about this statement-no, I do not discriminate against anyone-I teach my son to be accepting of anyone, no matter their nationality. But given the anniversary, I was uneasy. I feel badly about that.
All I hear in these post is "I'm right, your wrong" and a lot of hatred. Sad
The majority of people in Islam-dominant countries hate Americans and make a point to express this hate in no uncertain terms. How do they expect us to react to this unmitigated hate – by taking them out to dinner and a movie?
Must see – about palestinian long-time stand concerning the west-
http://emunadate.blogspot.com/2011/05/palestinians-perhaps-their-most-amazing.html
The article is interesting, but ignorant of some fundamental realities. That Muslims are mad at America is a given fact. The reason is not. Could it be that Muslims are historically opposed to whatever culture they encounter, and demand submission to their world view as the only and correct view? Their atrocities speak louder than any of their attempts to put a veneer over their beliefs. Submission is inherent to their religion, and they demand it from everyone else. Agitation and victimhood are their tools – throughout the world. So, let them be mad. They will not submit to a rule of law that is other than their Sharia. Their world-view is based on total and absolute supremacy of Muslim males. Get used to the fight, get used to their anger. We will not submit to their view and we will not submit our daughters to their oppression.
Have any of you even read this: http://www.ronmillersworld.org/just-a-thought/four-years-later/
"...most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role..." +++++ But this was NOT true until well into the last generation. In Saddam's Iraq, 30% of marriages were between a Sunni and a Shiite. Most Iraqi's didn't know their neighbor's religion sect. But it's all become polarized now. Christian and Jewish communities that existed in peace for over a thousand years in Iraq, the Arabian Peninsula, etc. have been terrorized out of existence. Consequently what "most" Muslims probably want is for religion to get off of their backs the same way most Americans do!
Aegis in Nashville, TN is building a prayer room for Muslims in their office building. No chapel for Christians, though. My supervisor would have a coronary event if I asked to pray FIVE TIMES a day at work. I can barely get time for a bathroom break..
Muslims are MAD at AMERICA?!! You've got nerve even making that statement. WHO is mad for those people that went to work that day and didn't go home? WHO is mad for those people on those planes that had an extended time to ponder the fact that they were going to die before their plane was smashed into the World Trade Center? WHO is mad at all the other terrorist acts perpetrated by Muslims? The only people Muslims shoudl be mad at are their OWN PEOPLE. WE did NOTHING to start this. You should be ashamed of yourself for even publishing this statement. It's bleeding hearts like you who are someday going to allow one of these psychos to bring a dirty bomb or a nuke into this country, and then we'll see who's mad THEN.
Muslims are mad at America because it supports Israel.
Muslims are mad at America because they perceive it is trying to undermine their Islamic society and replace it with western ideals. And yet, they have exactly the same goal for America, to replace western ideals with an Islamic society.
Muslims are mad at America because it promotes freedom and Islam cannot thrive where there are freedoms.
Muslims are mad at America because it allows women to be treated like equals to men.
Muslims are mad at America because................it is not Islam.........and this is the bottom line.
Pack em up in a septic tank and send em all home, then. At their two-faced corrupt government's expense.
I say, grant their wish...... Send ALL of them to paradise!
You need to do another story, with the heqdline: "Why Muslims can go fu*k themselves."
I live in Detroit and let me tell you. The Muslims are Muslims First, moneyhungry Second, and Americans Third....In that order. They arent interested in assimilating....they want us to change our ways for them. They are not about to integrate...they want to dominate this city with Sharia law and Americans be damned in their viewpoint. There is no integrating with them, as they are hell bent on making this entire area run by Muslims and their Sharia law! It's time to deport all people living here that are not bonfied citizens. Right after 9/11 we should have deported every person with Visas and Green Cards that were not full citizens....all of the oens from Muslim countries. It may be too late to do it at this point, but we should try. The way they treat their women disqualifies them to be citizens of this great country where we believe all people are equal. Their subversive treatment of women is rotten and we actually owe it to our citizens to screen for these types of people that will do nothing but dilute the values we hold dear. The Muslims are the only people that come here and want to change everything and not want to fit in and assimilate...the IRish, Polish, Scottish, Italians...and on and on came here and made their living within the structure we already had....the Muslims are the only ones that have to make America cow tow to their Sharia law and stuff... Time to send them all packing! I don't care why they don't like us, but they should leave. Let them all rot in their stinking third world filth! None of the Muslims here in Michigan denounced the 9/11 events....we didn't see them in the streets or making overt statements or anything. They hung out and were probably high fiving all of their Muslim brothers over a cold one while our people were dying! Oh, and the Muslim religion is not a religion....it's an ideology hell bent on controling every aspect of our lives......go watch some you tube videos by Gerst Wilder.....it is interesting and very true. It will scare you so bad you will be begging your congressional reps to get something on the ballot quickly to remove all Muslims that are not bonafide US citizens.
Geert Wilder is the man. Yes, it is an ideology bent on domination and subjugation, nothing more. A good Muslim can't function in a western society because their "religious" text calls on them to brutally kill Christians and Jews, and anyone else considered an infidel. In fact, if they're reading a translated Koran, they've already sinned, and are supposed to be killed. They're a joke and disease.
don't try to shove their religious laws down my throat
it won't be healthy for any of them!
Would it surprise you to learn that the Arabic-speaking population of the Detroit area has a very large Chaldean Christian and Palestinian and Lebanese Christian sub-populations?
To the bleeding hearts... go to another sovereign nation and demand that your rights/laws/beliefs be upheld instead of those already established. Do that and see what happens. We have freedoms so long as they don't impose on the freedoms of another. Take your sharia law and your traditions and go to a traditional Muslim country. I've spent a lot of time in one, and Islam does nothing but stifle the human elements of creativity and progress. It's why there is a direct relationship between technological/social progress and western exposure.
They hate America because we support Israel.
I am an immigrant myself. I came to this country 30 years ago and experimented the same cultural shock that I believe most people in then same situation do. Solution: I had to adapt myself to it, learn the language and consider this my new home. I have no regrets and I am grateful that I am living here.
To those who disagree or dislike this country they should go back to whenever they came from. I bet they came here looking for a better life but at the same time not willing to accept the necessary changes that come with change. Trying to impose anybody's beliefs or rules of conduct that we brought from our countries of origin is wrong. and violates our own desire to live in a free society.
They don't have to accept us nor do we have to be like them. We are the way we are and we are very proud of it.
What I see here, in one point, is that Muslims want to enshrine sharia law, in their own country's law, one of which would be a ban on converting to ANY other religion. That, to me, shows a certain amount of fear that there will be conversions to other religions and that force must be applied to prevent it. Not a very good picture of a religion that they claim to be the best. No freedom of conscience is not something that is desirable in any country. We extend to them such freedom and tolerance, is it really so hard, in their "worldview" to do the same? This is not meant to be hateful, in any way, I am trying to understand.
They like others dying, nor deaths of their own.
Some of the statements in the article are true but not all of them stated. Being a American I am not prejudiced against Muslims at all and treat them with the same respect as I would anyone I have contact with in my everyday life. Please remember that the U S government does quite a few things that the average American ( including me ) does not agree with !!!!!!!!!
Sorry – I don't care why muslims are mad. I can tell you that most Americans are still mad at them and pretty much want them all dead. Period.
Steven Kull is so full of krap. It's just not Muslims in the U.S., It's just not Arab Muslims in the Middle East. It's just no Muslims in the former states of the Soviet Union. it's just not Muslims in the outer provinces in China. It's not just Muslims in Africa, the Muslims in India, and it is just not Muslims in Indonesia who are mad at the U.S. They are mad at everyone. Ask the Chinese, ask the Russians, ask the Christians in Africa, ask the Hindu's and Sikhs in India, ask the Buddhists and Christians in Indonesia. So don't believe Steven Kull's B.S. that it's something the U.S. is doing wrong with the "Muslims". The Muslims have a problem with the rest world, the rest of the world was here before the Muslims came about, and the rest of the world can get along fine without them if need be.
This is the best comment so far. Steven Kull should care to reply this one. Muslims are mad at everyone who is not one among them. Need proof...go and check Nigeria, Bangladesh, Russia, China,India, Thailand.
Muslims trace their hatred of America back to the middle ages, according to the article. Yet, America did not exist in the middle ages. Seems to me that mankind needs an "enemy". Muslims have made America that enemy. Our freedoms, our lifestyle, our open tolerance of women (not to mention how we allow women to dress). All of these are rationalizations to make America the bogey man. If Muslims would work to eliminate terrorism, there would be no reason for the current American perception that much of Islam is working to destroy us. It has to work both ways.
Thank you Mr. Kull. This is very good article with lots of facts about ground reality. I think more of these articles need to be written and published to educate everyone. People should not waste time debating with narrow minded minorities or even read their agnostic views.
I remember watching on TV Palestinians CELEBRATING
on the streets in the West Bank hours after the attacks on 9 /11.
Then the silence from Muslim leaders in America.
The Israeli's stopped what they were doing for a moment of silence.
I also remember those people dancing in the streets after 9/11. I proudly display a framed front page from the local newspaper from the day we killed Bin Laden. My whole neighborhood was dancing in the streets and firing their AK-47's into the air! It isn't about religion, it was about justice for a mass murderer. I'm sure the reaction was very different in the Muslim World, and that the Mullahs didn't tell their faithful that their 'hero' died like the dog and coward he was, hiding behind a woman. Anyone else see the irony here???,.
I find this article to be a little infuriating. The Islamic world wants us to understand that they want Sharia to included in their society and they want us to "understand" that idea. We don't want Sharia law, or any other religious laws dominating our society. It is a simple thing to understand that we are who we are and we do not want any religious laws entering into our government or our societal structures. Half the planet is ready for Islamic rule, but not the US. In today's educated young, religion is waning in popularity for many obvious reasons.
they are mad?
well, I'm sure all "real" Americans are just peachy with that stupid statement.
9/11! It burns inside of me!
If they are going to connect something some of our ancestors did hundreds of years ago to those alive today, then they are fundamentally insane and we should treat them that way.
Moslims are up to no good in America.They don't like America and Americans .Moslims want to take over America thats why they are coming here.I don't thrust them.
And you are correct not to. Stick with that thought, even though so many will pressure you to let it go while telling you it is your misunderstanding which causes others to h8 you.
good god ya all!!!!!! so tired hearing about the muslims...from their religious views to how we do not understand them..hogwash...they need to be good citizens if they want u.s. acceptance..praying 5 times a day is a little on the extreme side....hating is extreme...live and let live...wish they would die..go to hell and rott forever...
Having studed the religion of islam with the help of my Muslim friend even he agress that all non muslims are called infadel. That the religion of islam is intended to concour the world for allah and all those who resist are to be put to death. Thats why you have different versions of islam around the world those that belive this totaly and those that broke off cause they belive its wrong to do that. Mabey people should sit down with a muslum and get them to read and interpit the Holly Book as i did and lean something.
Ummm that form of religion was surely made by someone who was very mad long ago. Because Islam is a religion of peace. I am a Christian but I have read the Qur'an and practice Satah and Eid. Long ago Islam and Christians worshiped together and called the heed under the same God. You even had Jesus and ect in there. We traded and lived side by side. But then Tyranny and Greed became increasing and Dictators claimed themselves as of a Prophet thus telling people what to believe in. Then other people felt betrayed and went with it. Today I think people and esp Muslims are trying to show this. I work with a Masjid here and we all are Brothers and Sisters. Why would you kill your brother and sister. So no not all non-muslims are Infidels that is just created by the old Tyrant Dictators to have excuse to cause holy war for there own agenda.
It is time to stop caring what they think, and take care of our own. Our biggest threat is China, which has basically stolen America's growth for twenty years. Still, we ignore it. Our second biggest threat is a government which is coin-operated. Oddly, we keep talking about how other nations, and people, 'feel' about America. Think about it - there is no reason at all we should care. America's biggest mistake was to be so arrogant as to think that we can, or should, save anyone from themselves.
Hey Steven, maybe you should write a piece about how mad America is at muslims, you could start with interviews of the the families of those lost in the Barracks attack in Beirut or the embassy attacks in Africa or night clubs in Bali or hotels in India. Islam is not a religion, it is a disease, one that must be eradicated for humanity to survive
Well as a Christian-American I am with open arms to my Muslim brothers and sister. See I have read the old and new testament as well as the Qur'an and I can say we really are not that different if you look at it. See most people who fear Islam would not see it like that because they do not take the time to study. Because they are scared of some thing "New" and different. Well Judaism and Christianity are more different then Islam and Christianity yet we live among in peace. Now how can you go and claim Islam is a Religion of Violence if 1.) A couple of people do it. 2.) You have not read or studied. 3.) Your uneducated and grew up radicalized of some other religion taught that Islam is the devil. Now I have helped my Muslim community here in my state help build there first Masijd and I have practiced Satah with them 5 times a day. We also pray to the same God. And we visit each others churches and Madjid's see we do that in peace and knowing the guy or girl next to me is a fellow American. These are as my Brothers and Sisters as any of you random people are. In the end we are Americans and America is our Home. : )
I am not an american but I lived in America also from my knowledge of happening I can say that Americans are open minded and wants the development by utilizing the talents. They don't stop anybody practising thier religion which is done in other countries especially those America haters Muslim countries.
Other countries are simply jealous !! They do not have the ability to utilize the talents or they little care about this. The high ranked politicians are busy about their own children and relatives. Where as Americans are not that selfish, they want an overall development and gives the opportunities to those talents and prosper technologically benefit of which is enjoyed by the whole world including those America hater Muslim countries. America do not go beg for the talents, the talented people realize that America is the best place to use their talents. Like other countries America has sufficient manpower to run itself not giving immigration to other nationalist. Don't take its open mindedness as its weakness.
What a long-winded explanation for anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world. It seems to me that Muslims do not share a universal hatred for "progressive" Muslim cultures such as Turkey, Jordan or Iraq; all of whom appear to judge other Muslim nations with the same bifurcated lens that US policy has operated. Where the US differs is, as the author points out early on(though casually discounts) is our support for Isreal. Face it, they hate us because we support Isreal. I am comfortable with that and am comfortable with the notion that the US is at odds with a culture that promotes anti-semitism and intolerance, irrespective of it's roots. He'll, if you're going to suggest that Muslims have a legitimate basis for their intolerance for the west due to the crusades, we may as well say that the KKK has a basis for their intolerance of blacks because the Moors once plundered and raved European nations.
While I do not in any way agree with the Muslim understanding of the West, I am happy to see someone writing an article about the concept of different world views. CNN in particular tends to not understand that there are vastly different world views. The US and CNN tries to make that square peg fit into the round hole. The US and CNN assumes that democracy can and should work anywhere in the world. They assume that Arabs and Westerners basically want the same things, have similar goals and values. Not so. The Arabs will never make peace with Israel because Jews and Christians are dhimies and a Jewish Israel can not be. Period. They are not interested in making peace. Arabs glorify death. They respect strength, not diplomacy. So, for Israel to give them one inch of land is just stupid. Never mind that they build their Dome of the Rock over the Jewish Temple which stood for 1000 years, 1500 years before there was such a thing as an Arab or Islam. Never mind that Jews have prayed for the return to our homeland for 2000 years. Never mind that Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran. It isn't about the land, it's about Islam and it's supremacy.
Muslims are still stuck in medieval mentality, intolerant of other religious and cultures, deeply hostile to democratic traditions. That's the major reason they hate USA as a country who stands for the values they can't accept. The very existence of USA is a treat to them. On the other hand, USA owes them nothing and has nothing to apologize for.
Now some liberals and left wingers, living in USA, hate this country so much that they are ready to roll on their back and accept Muslim theocratic state in USA, or practically anything but the democracy they despise. Those people of course would not agree with this posting, but do save yourself time replying. Majority of those living in this country are proud of this country and its democratic traditions and are ready to stand up and fight for its values.
Wow. Great article. I find it interesting that Muslims here are angry not at the Christian west, but the secular west. If we were truly a Christian society, they apparently would not be so offended. The cultural values coming out of the movies, TV, etc., are not necessarily from a Christian viewpoint.
Another point I find interesting is that at least some American Christians feel the same way toward America's attempts to snuff out religion in the public square. Could it be we are fighting the same enemy?
But to Islam's discredit, its people in the US want to be treated with special consideration, but put a Christian in their country, and it's "death to the infidel."
Truth is – they are fine when terrorists kill us, they just don't like to be around when it happens.
"Daniel Allen – People who come to our country need to respect our culture more, not the other way around. You have things backward." That' s what they are saying about US too!
They need to get over themselves !!
While I do not in any way agree with the Muslim understanding of the West, I am happy to see someone writing an article about the concept of different world views. CNN in particular tends to not understand that there are vastly different world views. The US and CNN tries to make that square peg fit into the round hole. The US and CNN assumes that democracy can and should work anywhere in the world. They assume that Arabs and Westerners basically want the same things, have similar goals and values. Not so. The Arabs will never make peace with Israel because Jews and Christians are dhimies and a Jewish Israel can not be. Period. They are not interested in making peace. Arabs glorify death. They respect strength, not diplomacy. So, for Israel to give them one inch of land is just stupid. Never mind that they build their Dome of the Rock over the Jewish Temple which stood for 1000 years, 1500 years before there was such a thing as an Arab or Islam. Never mind that Jews have prayed for the return to our homeland for 2000 years. Never mind that Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran. It isn't about the land, it's about Islam and it's supremacy.
How about a story about why Americans are still pi**ed at the entire muslim world? How about a story about how muslims still will not clean their own house and how their sons and daughters are encouraged to strap dynamite to themselves? How about a story on how this filthy, backward "religion" is a cancer on this Earth and how there will be no chance at peace as long as there is one muslim left on it? How about a story on why almost every, single conflict on this Earth is muslims fighting people who are not muslims BECAUSE they are not muslims?
We,ll, at least they are now "mad" and not "offended," as it seemed they were every day in the past years.
There is one and only one person to blame for Muslim's hate of America.
Ray Stevens.
He wrote and sang "Ahab the Arab"
F*** THEM! We're told we must be nice to them even though 9/11 happened. Lets not forget all the stuff they done to antagonize us before 9/11, and we're told to now be SILENCED! Yet its ok for them to be mad. Mad because we've given them endless aid and better rights then US???
Who cares why Muslims hate America? Nazis hated us too and we didn't apologize to them.
Muslims hate America because they are idiots. They take the musings of a dark age desert mongrel seriously. They cover their heads because the contents underneath are inadequate to enable them to think clearly. They are obsessed with cleaning their appendages five times a day and strongly believe that their prayers lose credit if they pass intestinal gas. What else can you call them but morons ?
Why don't we simply ask Rick Perry to have a prayer group about this? Problems solved.
My impression is that Muslims and Christians are both pretty hateful people.
Maybe the fact that half of all Americans (Idiot Republicans) hold all Muslims directly responsible for 9/11? Maybe we aren't so different after all!
It is true that “Muslims believe that they are on a different path than the West . This path is central to their notion of their freedom to practice their religion…”
Here are some references from the Qur’an concerning the way the Muslims should treat all other “who do not believe”. IS THERE ANY WAY TO HAVE PEACE WITH SUCH BELIEVERS?
Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive
hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them,
take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every
stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and
are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all
surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will
prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your
religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to
Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief
[non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole
world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion,
and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands,
lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a
good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is
righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We
shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly
seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we
destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every
opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and
Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder
them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are
twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there
are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels
are a people devoid of understanding."
Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are
twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless
people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask
came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam
first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced
Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great
reward.'"
thank you KJMU....why aren't the defenders of islam responding to your quotes?
f*** your religion. take it and your followers elsewhere.
As a woman, I must admit that I am not a fan of the Muslim faith. Just looking at those photos of that woman who worked as a nanny to one of Gadahfi's grandchildren and how they had poured boiling water over her head makes me angry. The Muslim faith may have been built on peaceful co-existance thousands of years ago, but I don't see any evidence of that now. It is all political now. They may want to be left alone, but then they get to fussing and fighting. Then the western world has to step in and they resent us for it.
A very well-written article and it does address some valid points.
I'm a simple man and look at things on those terms. The reason I avoid Muslims is the same reason I avoid any religion that takes itself too seriously. Of all the countries in the world, the United States has the largest mix of the most religions, nationalities, cultures, etc. And with that comes conflict. It's just how life is. If you put whites, blacks, mexicans side by side, you're going to have conflict. But you also get a more diverse pool of people who can contribute more than just one ethnic group who all believe the same thing. Bottom line: the greater the advantage, the greater the disadvantage. When I was a Baptist, if you told me Jesus was gay, I would just get mad, tell you to go F yourself, and move on. If drunk, maybe a fist fight would happen. We both would get slightly injured and eventually move on our merry way. But when you take a religious group like Muslims into this conflict and insult Allah, buildings, plains, innocent people having nothing to do with the conflict including woman and children get destroyed. Muslims are not the only religions this fanatical about their beliefs, but they DO believe it. They need to come clean and admit that they will jump to murder if you draw a cartoon of Allah. People like that do not belong here for their safety and ours. Either they need to re-write their bible (believe me, Christians have done it MANY times) so that their culture can co-exist, or they need to leave. Period
Muslims are mad at everybody, not just America. They've been fed a pack of lies by their own religious and secular leaders, and have been told it's everyone else's fault but their own that they're in poverty, illiteracy and economic stagnation.
As far I was taught..."When in Rome, do like Romans do". Somehow muslims believe they can force their garb on us, in our own home.
The Goal of Muslims in America in their own words:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
1998 speech to Muslims in California by Omar Ahmad, co-founder of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
Muslims are MAD at AMERICA?!! The press has nerve even making that statement. WHO's mad for those people that went to work on 9/11 and didn't go home? The only people Muslims should be mad at are their OWN PEOPLE. WE did NOTHING to start this. Bleeding hearts like this are someday going to allow one of these psychos to bring a nuke into this country, and then we'll see who's mad then.
What the Koran says about jihad:
"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." (Koran 9:5)
So, muslims are still mad at America? So.
I will remember, for the remainder of my time on this planet, the footage showing the display of Muslim jubilation over the death, injury and destruction perpetrated in the name of their god on September 11, 2001.
Muslims mad? What? Imagine that. Who gives a crap other than liberals who try to make themselves feel better by trying to appear "noble"? I couldn't care less if muslims are mad. Par for the course.
Just another pathetic and lame attempt by CNN to defend them. Ever notice we get these articles about the poor, pitiful muslims while we get other articles about, say, Christianity where that belief system is constantly dismissed?
Let's talk when planes high-jacked by Christians crash into buildings killing thousands, kill daughters for the sake of honor, cut off journalists heads, etc. Let's hear it for the Muslims!! Hip-hip-hooray!!
Creed of the the Muslim Brotherhood:
"God is our objective; the Koran is our law; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
The Muslim Brotherhood's plan for a "grand jihad" to destroy America from within by her own hands:
The Muslim Brotherhood "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions."
Mohamed Akram "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991
LOL U MAD
Muslims are the enemy of America. I say to all American: Never trust a Muslims. Do not be deceived by what they are saying because it is nothing but lies. Rebuke them no matter what others say about them. Islam is not and was never a religion. Koran is not the words of God and never have been. It is a book written by muslims only and was made to deceived many people that they are peaceful people and culture. They are not peaceful. Their wicked heart is hidden and waiting for the day when they will strike like a viper and kill as many non-muslims as they can. Again, stay away from all muslim and rebuke. Do not befriend with them or you will end up dead.
Rebuke all muslims
Who gives a rats ass if they are still angry. I'm sick to death of catering to people who could care less about America.
Some people think that most Muslims in this country are moderates. Even if that's the case, it's irrelevant to the threat posed. Most Germans were not Nazis, and most Russians were not Communists, but that didn't stop the Nazis or the Communists from taking control of the government and imposing their will on the rest of the population.
god is great, religion is not. Maybe someday someone will realize that in the world we are all the same.
Well, most of America (save for liberal news organizations) are still mad at muslims. Goes both ways. Cry me a river.
What I see is that a Muslim is more than a religion it is a way of life. I believe that once a person is allowed to live in this Country, the United States of America, you become an American First, you have your freedom of religion but your way of life should then be that of an AMERICAN not a Muslim, or a Chinese, or a Russian. This is a melting pot and you must come together with the rest of us. You are no longer a Muslim way of life, you are an American. Change your ways and embrace the rest of us and you will no longer the rejected.
If the Muslims are so mad at America and despise our culture, how come so many of them have migrated to this country? I could not care less what these other countries who suck up our foreign aid feel. We certainly don't need any more contention in this country with our internal issues.
Death to America every body !!!!!!!!!1
This is a very easy question. Muslims hate America ONLY BECAUSE IT STILL EXISTS.
'Why still mad?' get lost....
How about freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia and the 50 other countries which the Muslims have taken over?
No Muslim will protest for this, as they are the wicked and evil.
History has proven that dictatorships (including monarchies) lead to oppression and persecution – there is virtually no such thing as a benevolent dictator (power corrupts...). Likewise, historical attempts to create theocracies are just as destructive (if not more so). The United States was founded on principles designed in diametric opposition to theocracy (especially the destructive historical experiments in Christian theocracy). Islam unfortunately tends toward a theocratic politic (sharia). The natural result of any political theocracy will be oppression and persecution. Freedom of conscience particularly (as well as virtually every other freedom) will be violated under such a system. The United States appears to have favored the lesser of two evils in the past by giving support to dictators instead of Ayatollahs and Mullahs. Americans should support the practice of every faith (not just Islam) – in both the private and public sphere. Americans should oppose every attempt by religionists (be they Muslim, Christian, or any faith) to develop a theocracy.
“…every [Christian] sect believes its own form the true one,
every one perhaps hoped for his own,… The returning good sense of our country
threatens abortion to their [political] hopes, & they believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” – Thomas Jefferson
I have to question why CNN and other very liberal news sources continue to publish non-sense articles like this one. Unlike the other mainstream religions, Islam is belligerently undemocratic. It not only tolerates, but encourages bias against women,and everyone who is not Muslim. It also encourages violent proliferation of the bias. Certainly there are some small radical movements within Christianity and Judaism. But the mainstream of these regions has moved on to fully recognize democratic values and equality of all people. That is not the case with Islam, and Muslims have no-one to blame but themselves for change can only come from within. The only way Muslims can bridge a 500+ year gap with modern civilization and the other major religions is to look at themselves self-critically and stand up to abuses of human rights that are so pervasive in their countries. Blind adherence to long outdated rules that suppress initiative critical thinking is no way to improve yourself and earn respect of others. Unfortunately, recognition of democracy is at embryonic state in the Muslim world and the rest of the world should remain unforgiving. As we have witnessed with the fall of Communist Block in the 1990's, only unrelenting external pressure can foster change from within.
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who cares if theyre angry at us? i think we still have a right to be angry at them regardless of whether their beliefs in islam are the same or different of the extremists who attacked us
...his argument that the US undermines 'true' democratic processes in Islamic countries by supporting only secular groups is correct..because every time an Islamic group has the chance they create an Islamic autocratic regime: ie: Iran...elections in Iran havent been free or valid and the same revolutionary students that overthrew the Shah, now hold academics and political opponents prisoner....you cant have Sharia or an Islamic Republic without suppression of EVERY OTHER RELIGION ...which is uncivilized and unevolved...
We needed a five year study to ascertain why Muslims don't like us and they still don't know! its quite simple, we have a fair Democratic system that permits all religions to co-exit together and they are jealous of our success. They have one crazy religion that incites violence. If they would put religion on the back burner and not be obsessed with it, they would be much more peaceful people.
Not sure they are mad, they are disappointed with the US. Too many promises were made and none kept. Typical American's policy.
IF THESE SO-CALLED MUSLIMS WEREN'T ANNOYED WITH AMERICA THEY WOULDN'T BE FOLLOWING A CHILD MOLSETING MURDERER MOHAMMAD WHO IS IN HELL WHO PREACHES TO KILL THE INFIDELS WHICH IS ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THIS CHILD MOLESTOR! MUSLIMS NEED TO WAKE UP QUICKLY AND STOP FOLLOWING A FALSE PROPHET. IF THEY WAKE UP THEY WOULDN'T DISLIKE AMERICA AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ON THE CRIMINALS SIDE OF THE COIN! SIMPLE! DUHHH!!
terrorism, honor killings, car bombs, ieds, suicide bombers, abuse of females... and you can't find one moslem leader to stand up against them because he would be killed and would loose his zealot power base that keeps him in power- these men sound like the mafia.
People seem to forget that our country was built on Christian values. Why should we adhere to Islamic values if we are supposed to be a Christian nation. Make no mistake about it, the Muslims would like nothing more than to turn the US into a muslim nation. Do you think Christians or anyone else who wasn't a muslim would have any freedom at that point? If so, you might want to research the ways of Islam to see how truly oppressive it is. So who cares if they're mad at America. Good.
Muslims are still mad, that goes without saying, quite mad.
Howc ome I can't openly go to any christian churchin the arab world or invite a moslem friend to one of these church events without that church being bombed or straiffed with ak fire? Sounds like a really good religion to me. So affraid these little men of islam are!
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Why do these muzzies flock to the US and west when they don't like us and our 'decadent' way of life? To take advantage of job opportunities and live a quality of life not found in their muslim crapholes. Why does the US continue importing them when they are responsible for more terrorist and attempted terrorist attacks than all other nuts combined? Because Aericans are the most stupid creatures to walk the planet earth. Way to go PC. It is also nice how they shut down cartoon shows under threat of death and continue to try killing cartoonists they don't like. Now they are after David Letterman. These muzzies have a real problem with humor. The other day they attacked an amusement park worker and started a riot because they would not remove their head rags before getting on the rides. Although they blow up other muslims every day in their muzzie countries, we still import them just to spend billions on a new department designed to protect ourselves from their attacks. Terrorism aside, the last thing this country needs are a bunch of dark age, rag headed fundamentalists who have to whip out rugs and pray 5 times a day. The bible bangers are bad enough but these devout rag wearers will bring us down to the level of the muzzie sewers they crawled out of. Nice article the other day about "virginity tests' in the new free and islamic Egypt. Cheer up PC, soon coming to a neighborhood near you. The Christmas day underwear bombers are also a nice touch.
Ever notice the common variable in the problem is religion? Why hold onto something that is false, and causes so much pain?
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Now that ABDULLAH THE BUTCHER, the madman from the Sudan, has earned his rightful place in the Wrestling Hall of FAme, there is no need for these people to hold any grudge against the U-S-A. Many of them have yet to recover from what Hulk Hogan did to the Iron Sheik many years ago in MAdison Square Garden!!!!!!
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Prodaxa, good for you. Try it and you willl be happy. What the hell is Prodaxa.
"Muslims believe, that Jesus was one of the mightiest messengers of God that he was the Christ, that he was born miraculously without any male intervention (which many modern-day Christians do not believe today), that he gave life to the dead by God's permission and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission. In fact, no Muslim is a Muslim if he or she does not believe in Jesus!"
Yet the Quran states that anyone who believes that Jesus is the Son of God should die. They deny his deity and go out of their way to deny the Holy Trinity.
What will also surprise the christians is the fact that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Eesa, alaihi assalam ("Jesus, peace be upon him").
Another "oh those poor Muslims" article from the Muslim News Network.
When nailed down, most American Imams will not acknowledge that Jews have a right to exist. Or that terror attacks are always wrong. We have ignored Islamic radicals even though they have take our embassies hostage and attacked military barracks with car bombs. 9/11 was the last straw. Muslims are mad, good, maybe they will take an aggressive stance against radical teaching in their own mosques.
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 6, Verse 85
Sura 5:72-73, 5:75 “They do blaspheme who say: “God is Christ the son of Mary.” They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a trinity: for there is no God except one God Allah. If they do not desist from their word of blasphemy, verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Christ the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him.”
Qur'an Sura 4:171: “O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” :desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.”
Sura 6:102 “The originator of heavens and earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort?”
Sura 72:3 “We believe that He – exalted be the glory of our Lord – hath taken neither wife nor son.”
Sura 112:1-4 “Proclaim, 'He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him.”
Sura 18:4-5 “Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, “God hath begotten a son”: No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!”
Ruthless scags make me puke.
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87.. Amman
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 6, Verse 85
so what?
The Koran talks about Jesus and so what?
what does that change?
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171, keep reading
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 6, Verse 85
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171, got it?
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 6, Verse 85
It seems that if you slap certain words like Islam, Terrorism, 9/11, and muslims, idiot trolls start replying like flies in feces.
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
Muslims are bent out of shape because 911 didnt take America down, but our new muslim leader can finish the job before leaving office.
Your comment that there were not MILLIONS of Muslims celebrating in their streets on 9-11 is NOT TRUE and you know. it. Look at the facts....I was in France shortly after 9-11 and in their periodicals were numerous articles with interviews with muslims who stated that even though they did not like the fact that muslim extremists were the culprits, the US needed to be held accountable for it's actions in the Middle East and elsewhere AND THAT THE attacks were understood. Well, I understand why Israel would want to nuke all non jews and I think all non jews in the middle east need to understand that.
i do not know of any muslims country where the minorities have equal rights as the muslim citizens. when muslims talk about their rights in usa, i am just amazed.
Most Muslims are basically ambivalent about the US, just as most Americans are ambivalent about Muslim countries. Only the fringe in both realms has strong, negative feelings.
And there's nothing that can be done by either side to sway the feelings of these extremists. I have better things to worry about than how a handful of hate-crazed Muslims feels about the US, or how a handful of crazed Americans feels about Muslims. Those insisting that this is an issue worthy of attention need to get a life.
America doesn't have a Muslim problem. The world does. Muslims won't be happy until anyone who does not believe in Muhammad or Allah is either converted or dead. For real.
That is totally bs. Wake up and relieve yourself from your ignorance! Muslims do not force people to convert! That is against Islam! And, by the way, Quran starts with a sentence "read" (not meaning Quran). I guess you do not do much research and reading!
Regards!
You're right, they won't force you...they'll just kill you if you don't.
The author portrayed the American historical view as:
"As in the Renaissance, religion is largely banished from the public sphere, thus allowing pluralism and diversity of beliefs in the private sphere while maintaining a secular public sphere."
Hooey. This may be the common view of the situation, but anyone who thinks this has obviously not looked at the dates of the worst of Christian Europe and compared it to the Renaissance.
Here is the truth: many, if not most, of the worst excesses of Christian religious violence and interference in secular politics were during the Renaissance. Witch hunts? Renaissance, not Middle Ages. Inquisition? Renaissance era. Thirty years war wiping out a fourth of the population of central Europe? Renaissance again. Prosecution and massacres of the Anabaptists? Renaissance. Massive stripping of women's rights of the middle ages that were only slowly reversed by 18th – 20th century political activists? Renaissance. The conflicts between secular science and religious officials? That started in the Renaissance, too.
The Renaissance was, in religious terms, a great step backwards to the most primitive, violent and intolerant forms of religion that exist. The Christian churches during the middle ages was deeply flawed, but it was far more tolerant, it showed deep respect for science and human rights and spent much more effort trying to curb violence rather than encourage it compared to the Renaissance era.
Perhaps the author meant "Enlightenment" instead of "Renaissance".
Who really a flying F what these people think of us or anyone else. The world simply be a better place if these cults would realize there is NO god or gods and that they have been brainwashed for 100's if not thousands of years.
You want to believe in something ? Believe in YOURSELF and not some myth.
Join the modern world !!!
Why Muslims are still mad at America:
1) Treated as second class citizens.
2) Frequently referred to in the media as "them," those using the word "them," proceed to get angry when rightly compared to Nazis.
3) Frequently targeted by terrorists and other criminals here in the US; media proceeds to not cover these stories.
4) People get up in arms and scream when they try to exercise their First Amendment rights, by asking for a building permit for a community center/worship space in Manhattan.
And to top it off, most Muslims living in the United States are US Citizens, and should have equal protection under the law.
Derp.
because of acts like http://collateralmurder.org/
because of acts like http://www.collateralmurder.org/
tl;dr. Islam is a danger to the world.
Islam is not a danger to the world, ignorance is. It is very unfortunate that ignorance goes hand in hand with most Americans!
People like this guy and organization like CNN/NYT etc. would have been at the front in saying Hitler was misunderstood and had a point. Never again.......don't make me laugh.
How about an artical called "Why Americans are Still Mad at Muslims?" Could it be that a bunch of muslims hijacked jets and crashed them into buildings klilling thousands???? HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake the "f" up.
I agree, I too don't care. Why not an article in Arabic, Pashtu, Persian, etc. on why Americans don't like Islam or Muslims?
CNN would NEVER do that...it's too objective for them.
The short answer to the article, I don't really care why muslims hate us, they may leave and not come back, or ever come over here. I don't really care for muslims nor islam, do they care???
Muslims bomb us, and CNN is worried about them being "mad" at us?
It's very simple really..if they don't like America and the way they are treated..go back to their homeland. We didn't ask them to come here, take advantage of the great things about America and then gripe because it's not perfect either.
You know what makes Muslims mad at America? CNN front headlines saying that most Muslims are still mad at America.
The better question is, Why are humans still mad at Muslims?
Living in the US for the last 35 years, Islam really doesn't come up that much in my daily conversations and when I have muslim friends over we don't discuss Islam. We have dinner and drinks.
CNN always reports on a specific group that hates Americans...............Why doesnt CNN or other media outlets report on why Americans don't like muslims......... MOST OF THEM ARE FED UP WITH THEM, BUT THEY DONT REPORT THAT, its always a one-way street with CNN....................
Anti-Americanism is becomming history in Muslim world. Every day Muslims started to realize that their problems are home grown. Especially younger generations start to get rid of Cold war type of conversations. The most stupid thing that every Muslim can do is hating America while the only wesdtern country which is less Racist ,more Tolerant to its Muslim population , and in the long term less hostile to Muslim countries. Believe me or not this republic (USA) is the only hope for Muslims for getting rid of their tyrans and starting a new era for their future. Only if they can get rid of their past mistakes and doing less harm to themselves. We as Muslims can learn from East Asians. One day East Asians was only enemies of Americans. But they rose from the ashes of war and now look at them ! If we as Muslims can change our views of the world , we will EARN more friendship and respect from Americans. look at Americans. they always correct themselves through history.they learn from their mistakes, We should too.
this article is ridiculous. Most muslims in the world besides those in iraq and afghanistan couldn't care less about America, They are people like you and I who just want to prosper and raise their families. I really don't get the purpose of this article
Simple answer – just have all Muslims head back to Mecca and stay there. End of problem. Seriously, if you want to come into this country, you should speak english, not be part of a terrorist culture and promise to open doors for old woman. Oh, take the veil off too.
Hey Muslims....right back atcha!
I doubt anyone cares anymore what Muslims are "mad" about – it's always something.
Maybe on the anniversary of September 11th we should show them how mad we still are....muslims are worse than rodents.
right on brotha.
give all the cops in the us the day off.
make it a national holiday.
9/11 payback day.
I don't even need to read this article to know that I don't care if MUSLIMS ARE MAD AT AMERICA. What a load of crap.
we dont care....get your house in order before you talk crap about the US....so tired of muslims...they are not the future of humanity....
Since so many Muslims are still mad at America, we should just get completely out of the Middle East. Withdraw all our troops, military bases, humanitarian aid, weapons we sell them, etc. I'm sure they'll be much happier left to themselves.
Oh please yes ! just do that! stop selling weapons and supporting tyrants that have made slave of us for decades, pull your troops away from our lands, and you ll see , we all would be more happy. and ps: muslims do not hate amarica, it is just stupid to say it this way. but i still remember when america wanted islamist (violent) to take control of my contry because they are so easy to manipulate. just leave us alone !! and we love you movies and way of life by the way, just stop killing us or helping those who do. very sorry for the death on 9/11, but also sorry for the hubderds of thousands of ours dead with your weapon too! you have a great democracy, we want the same, and we want to be free from you now
have you said sorry for 9/11/1973 that killed 3000 people and brough dictatorship by the way?(chilie for the ignorants)- we dont hate america, we hate hypocrisy!!!!!!
Very funny: a guy (or bunch or guys) raised in a culture driven by personal feelings and thought, trying to explain the mob mentality of a culture retarded by violence and poverty, where personal thoughts and ideas are punishable in various ways. These muslim guys have only one goal: eliminate the ones that are not like them. Nevermind the monb in their native countries, but how can anyone explain the isolation of muslims in our western civilizations? How can anyone deny their willingness to attack our values in our countries? Oh, this is politically incorrect and we should only look elsewhere while they keep growing in numbers, advance in our society and still blame us for all th wrongs of the world. Why? Because they can't think freely for themselves, they can only do as told by imams, mullahs or other religious figures. Sorry, the truth is they want to take over the world and we prevent them. And that's why they hate us.
I have two problems with this article, though it is interesting.
First, the author said "Al Qaeda did not succeed in drawing in most Muslims." While this is absolutely true, Muslims closed ranks around their own and did nothing to identify terrorists to those chasing them, and in fact often aided them with donations (though some of those donations were obtained fraudulently by fake 'charities').
Second, muslim society has fallen from their world-leading role that they had before the Renaissance, and have and are doing nothing to reverse the trend (fact: Largest college major amongst Saudi Arabia college students: Muslim Philosophy). In the 110 years of their existence, Muslims have earned a grand total of 8 Nobel prizes. Of the eight, five are Peace Prizes, awarded for NOT killing hordes of people-in other words, civilized behavior. Only one award was won in Science (two are in literature),and the one scientist of the group, while he is from Egypt, is now a US citizen, who earned his Ph.D. an the University of Pennsylvania and has worked at CalTech since 1976-hardly your typical Muslim.
Wee tiny Scotland has won nine Nobels in the same time period (remember, I compared the entire muslim population of the world versus tiny little Scotland), and seven of them in science for discovering things like insulin and penicillin, which together have and continue to save hundreds of millions of lives. In other words, Westerners earn Nobels for advancing knowledge and saving hundreds of millions of lives, while muslims earn theirs by simply not pulling the trigger.
In short, it seems that muslim society stopped advancing roughly 550 years ago, when Gutenberg invented the system of printing using moveable type. Muslim society had done a great job of preserving and growing scientific knowledge in the hundreds of years before 1455, but they have seemed to largely stopped since then.
We invade their countries, murder their innocent civilians with drones and bombs and take away their natural resources and CNN thinks they need to explain to us why they hate America. What a joke!
We invade their countries, murder their innocent civilians with drones and bombs and take away their natural resources and CNN thinks they need to explain to us why they hate America. What a joke!
We invade their countries because they killed our innocents, We killed some civilians as they use them as shields, we do not take their natural resources- they beg us to buy it from them.
Just wanted to straighten that out.
I do not give a damn whether or not MUSLIMS ARE MAD...what a load of crap,,,,We are americans not defined by kookie religion. You have to print this crap before 9/11/11...sick
I say blow'em all back to the stone ages and let God sort'em out!
As with all world wide problems it boils down to two outstanding issues, to many people and religion.
Who cares? I'm mad at them for killing millions of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc during the period of Islamic expansion in the middle ages. How about they give back Constantinople back for a start?
I totally agree.. WHO CARES!
Muslims organize their lives around the belief that a ghost authored their holy book. Get real.
As opposed to the Christian's book...written by the SON of an invisible man who lives in the sky and grants wishes if you live a good and clean life?
The New testament was not written by the Christ. It was written by those around him who witnessed what was said and done. Huge difference.
And THIS article gets a feature?!?! CNN, you need to report more on the Texas wildfires....we need volunteers, help...helicopters to carry water-donations for the families that have lost their homes and businesses...
%&*#@ The Muslim World and their Mamas
You just happened to be born on this pile of dirt and not that one...patriotism is for retards.
the next article should look like this...10 REASONS WHY AMERICANS STILL CANT STAND MUSLUMS.....
What do the muslims have against soap i mean every time i get in a cab i sitting there like what the __ is that smell i think the guy has a dead cat up front with him whatever it is they got some funky odor that is not humanly possible
Those who telling Americans killed Muslims: Why do you ever didn`t complaint about Muslim killer Russia? Why nobody in Muslim world give a damn about masacres in Sudan? Is it OK when we,Muslims kill each other? Is it OK if some not western country , especially Russians or Chineese kill their Muslim population? Why we are shutting up about every thing that Rassia or China do to our brothers and sisters? Wake up fellow Muslims. America is not our enemy , beware of China and Russia. And to Americans: You are not like europeans. Maybe Anti Immigrant,Racist Rightish style fit to them,look at their history ! But it is not fit to you, look at your ancestors.
WRONG!
i will vote for those that want to extermnate all of you.
well...don't be shocked. americans aren't that religious. they don't care about other peoples religion that much. if you are wondering why there are no morals or ethics in the way you are being treated...it probably has more to do with the structure of oil companies. and they don't have a brain so there's no morals there.
Quite simply, if they have a problem with their treatment in America, then let them return to their countries of origin. Further make it mandatory and law, that any foreigners that emigrate to America MUST assimilate to western culture or if they have a problem with that ... bye bye go home. They have done squat and have been collectively muted in speaking out against radical Islam. Islam at its very core is NOT a religion of peace, but rather one of violence, intolerance, divisive, prejudicial, and grossly disrespectful to women. I'm sick of hearing about their complaints in America. They never had it so good.
From the Statue of Liberty...
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,"
Guess that doesn't apply any more in your particular world view? Those yearning to be free means "Act as we do, or get out"? now?
When you can convince me that a prime cut camel rib eye is better than an USDA prime Cut Choice beef....well then we'll talk! Towel heads need to go back and pound sand if they don't like it here. Look at the damage they've done to Europe as a whole. It's NOT just us. They don't like anybody that doesn't smell like a camel.
WTC Building 7 continues to be a problem with the official government line on what happened on 9/11. Muslims were blamed for those events if you recall but I doubt Muslims took two to three weeks to wire up 7 WTC as someone appears to have done. If 7 WTC was an inside job and it seems pretty obvious that it was, than the rest of it is tainted too. And so Muslims may be mad at America because they have been accused and have had war waged against them for a crime or series of crimes that they did not do.
And shame on any American that has yet to look into crimes of 9/11 and not figured it out yet. Wake up and smell the coffee already before you have no country left.
Even beyond the evil fundamentalist muslims, why don't ordinary muslim societies let christianity open churches like America does for them? If you want equal treatment, treat us equally; Otherwise, don't complain.
you have plenty of churches in many muslim countries you know...not all of them are saoudi arabia (but thats your best friend...))- just google church tunisia or morocco or egypt etc...
Muslims need to learn that there is no god like Americans are learning.
If that's what Americans are learning, then explain the sudden advent of the Tea Party to the rest of the world. A bunch of religious-based conservatives looking to implement their bible-inspired morality on the rest of the country.
What a coincidence! The hate that Muslims feel towards Americans is mutual. Right back at ya' Akbar.
Fork islam!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, Islam is the religion of those who are inferiority complexed and self loathing. Especially those who convert to it as opposed to being born into it. The religious assertions of Islam are really disguised expressions of rage against those to whom Muslims feel inferior.
Pack em up send em all back to where they came from and then put a round every square inch in their homeland and then nuke em, gather up the chemical weapons left over in the various countries around the world and spread it all over em then torch em with napalm.
Muslims can kiss my as*
I don't care what muslims think about me or my country don't they get that. Just get on with your life.
I say we nuke the Muslim world and start over. A few nukes would actually improve the place. Its about the only thing that will work. While we are at it we should probably do Africa since there isn't much difference.
Musims, Arabs and other peoples are mad at America for it's blind support of israel and the bullying tactics, oil dominance, and occupation. It's really not America they hate though it's our support of zionism.
Blah, blah, blah................ Who really cares!
I'm against all organized religions. The #1 cause of wars in our history.
who cares? if they dont like us don't pay attention.
I think it imperative that guests in another country must respect all aspects of the host. Should one want to become an immigrant, that respect should continue without demands that the host cater to the relocating new citizen. Assimilation is our history. The idea of coming into another country, joining its culture and then making demands that the host accommodate the immigrant are absurd. If you don't like what your discover, move on. Don't try to change the host. If you do, it will no longer be what you found that made you want to immigrate. Get it?!
Mary is a sad person .............. I feel sorry for her warped thinking!!
Eff Muslims and their cry-baby ways. They don't agree with someone so they simply kill them? No sympathy here and they can simply stay out of the country.
Americans don't need to understand your culture. You need to understand our culture.
Texas is in an inferno right now, over 500 homes destroyed, Texans' lives have literally been turned upside down and "Why Muslims are Still Mad at America" is the top story on your webpage. Unbelievable! This is exactly why you have lost viewers to Fox News Channel! It's not rocket science CNN!
I'm so sick of this nonsense. Of course we're trying to undermine Islam! Islam breeds terrorism worldwide. And everything they preach is the exact opposite of what Americans founded their country on – the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Look at every predominantly muslim country on this planet. They're full of death, tyranny and the pursuit of sheer misery! They can't play most music, can't dance, cant shave their beards and the women can't even show their faces in public. What Liberty or pursuit of happiness is there at all? Yes, we want to undermine Islam and for good reason. As for the authors mention of "liberal values", I have to ask what, exactly, are those? I've never heard of such a thing in all my life. This guy's full of bull.
Love it or leave it.
Muslims suck, who care what they think. They all smell like curry and tobacco.
"Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role. They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture. "
Funny, but that sounds just like the right wing evangelicals wishes for America.
Who cares why they are mad at America. What the muslims need to be concerned about is why Americans are mad at them. This isn't a game and it's not a popularity contest. This is a battle for survival and it is one we have no intention of losing. These morons will learn to behave themselves or they will be dealt with on terms of our choosing.
We believe they mean us harm and we couldn't care less why. We don't care what they think. We only care about what they do. This isn't an exercise in psychology. They can write all their concerns and imaginary grievances down on a stiff 3×5 card, fold it into a point and ram it where the sun don't shine. We couldn't care less. Here's the only thing that they need to know, if you f*@k with the bull, you get the horns. End of story.
This is exactly why it doesn't pay to identify with anything other than Love. Everything else IS a subset of Love - Love is what unites us all. This truth is what I hear in: Thou shalt have no other God before Me. I was born in America, so I am American, but identify as a child of God/Allah/Jehovah/Krishna/Great Spirit. I am caucasian but do not see myself as such. I am female, but seek to balance this energy. I am not yet perfect, but committed to that direction. Put down the fear, everyone. Put down the need to be right. Let the love in your heart show you the way.
Ok . Now America is to blame because of those people. Nice article. really
Why Moslems can not leave me alone, if I don't believe what they do?
Hello all
Im a Muslim and just to add a different perspective, I would like to share my 2 cents.
I dont hate America, most muslims I know dont. We enjoy living in this country because of its fine education system and religiously tolerant life style. I would call America more of a home than the country where I was born. But when I travel to other muslim populated countries, their people say that the fact is.... no one wants America to interfere with Iran, Iraq and Afganinstan. They simply which for America to respect their sovereignty. They point to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi men, women and children and yet no media station here covers it. I am sickened at the loss of lives at 9/11, but also sickened at the retribution America has given to other countries. Ruining the lives and lifesytles of people with these wars, but i can safetly say that no SENSIBLE muslim living in america wishs to be involved in terrorist activies. Other people in other countries who are being controlled and manipulted, and others who dont understand the helpfullness of America might see things differently. No muslim is the same, but by understanding us and how we think, hopefully we can be better friends and partners in the future.
Just walk into your nearest VFW on 9/11/11 and start reciting the qu/ran at the top of your voice ...... they will take care of the rest
Muslims, are primarily mad. When you follow a dogmatic religion like Islam you are going to be mad. When in Majority you disable all civic sense and follow only the dogmatic Islam. When in minority you appeal to the liberal side of humanity and exploit their goodness to get a inroad into the culture with the sole intention of expanding your. When is Islam catered to so much by the Media, why the talking about Hindus, Buddhist, Jain, Sikhs, and other religion of the world, is it just because they are not drawing your attention by killing innocent people? Religion by default should be allowed to influence or used in the formation or operation of a government and country's policies. American led the Republicans are looking to head the Islamic direction of running a nation based on religion. That is the biggest threat to the modern world other the Islam.
Who cares. I mean really. I am not out to make them happy, and America owes them nothing.
Noone cares if they are mad. Our mission wont be done until we exterminate them all. We have made a good start in Iraq and Afganistan and Libya. Now lets hope Obama has the balls to sign off on a campaign in Iran. Personally I prefer to Nuke them, but our Lainching pad in Israel is just too close geographivally speaking.
We hate them more, wish they would all die of aids. The nastiest race of people ever created.
Jack,
Let's teach you some basic knowledge. Christians are those who follow Christianity. Jews are those who follow Judaism. Buddhists are those who follow Buddhism. Do you understand the pattern? Muslims are those who follow Islam. Islam is a religion as are the other religions mentioned previously. Islam is not a race. Muslims can be of any race: White, Black, Asian, Arab, Native American...
Okay, where's the counter piece that addresses why we're mad at the Muslim world?
I am tired of our government being politically correct... based on this article "At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion"
We live in a democracy.. Sharia to me and millions of other AMERICAN CITIZENS is not acceptable EVER and Secular scholars of ISLAM can stay in their countries we do not need them here preaching HATE of AMERICANS..
As a VETERAN every AMERICAN SHOULD BE ANGRY WITH MUSLIMS... NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND!
We need to stay out of thier business and stop trying to tell the rest of the world how to live and what to believe. We need to aid our friends and stop trying to buy friends. Let the fight thier own wars and get back to making this nation strong. Like Rosevelt said Walk softely but carry a big stick.
Good greif. Please run an article on why Christians are angry with America. Kill a bunch of Americans and you get pity?
I would like to kill ever one of these towel-heads
Islam is a virus, Christ is the vaccine.
Oh well, we still hate the muslims so let's call it square shall we?
I'm sure this has already been said, but when are Muslims not mad? They get little respect from me until they learn to just write emails expressing their grievances like the rest of the world instead of killing innocent people, or just standing by idly as members of their community justify the killing of innocent people.
Muslim law= Kill any non Muslims, or make them your slave. that's it. .
Putting it as nice as possible most non-moslems would consider islam to be a religion without honor andfull of might-makes-right justice. Where are all the noble peace loving palestinian, iranians, egyptians and saudis? they have either been murdered or imprisioned by their own fellow moslems. Islam is a beleif system that knows it is wrong that's why it is so intolerant of others.
Not a religion, just a pack of thieves, rapist, and murders.
ITS TIME TO TELL THE MUSLIMS THAT DONT LIKE US.... WE DONT LIKE THEM EITHER AND THEY CAN STAY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES DONT COME HERE, AND IF YOU DO FOLLOW OUR LAWS AND CUSTOMS... NO SHARIA LAW EVER
what a crock, they have been mad at everyone for 1700 years. we have been around for 200 years so go figure. eliminate them off the face of the earth and see if things get better!
......I like Muslims, but I'm Canadian. They're quite honorable.
I think Muslims better start worrying about what will happen when America decides to get angry at them. Another 9/11 style attack by Muslim perpetrators and we won't be so restrained in our retaliation. They better understand another major attack against the U.S. and we won't care anymore about collateral damage. The only power in the world capable of stopping the U.S. military is the American public; when we decide to let them off the leash (which we should have already done) we'll see how much it matters how angry Muslims are.
Too bad, Islam is incompatible with the American ideal, go back to the desert (or West Texas) and take your unwashed filthy fat ugly women with you, no wonder the burka is so popular and why they prefer goats and little boys.
I'm glad to see many commenters feel the same way I do, I am just tired of Muslim passiveness towards violence.
The real question is "why do we care what muslims think of the US?". I think the Australian prime minister said it best and to paraphrase "This is America. We speak English here. You chose to live/move here. If your not happy with our culture and don't wish to adapt to our customs and speak our language we invite you to leave. But don't come here and expect us to adapt to you!" As far as I'm concerned Jews, Buddists, Hindus, Shintos, Sikhs etc. did not fly planes on 9/11 - muslims did. Some say Islam is a religion of peace but it's followers would kill you in a heart beat because you're an "infidel" . That's some peaceful religion!!!
Well written!
Who cares what muslims think? We're still mad at them for trying to blow up everyone else. The insist on moving to the west, but have no desire or clue on how to assimilate. Nobody wants them immigrating into their country.
Undermining Islam would be the best thing that America ever did for the world. The amount of pain and suffering that occurs because of same insane (mis)interpretation of the Koran is astounding. Enough with protecting idiotic bronze aged nonsense.
Doesn't really matter what we do, they'll always want to kill someone.
African Americans have been experiencing hate for decades. I'm sorry but..... develop a thick outer shell – get used to it.
There are no gods. All this jihad in the sake of some mythological being? How does any of that make sense? Islam only validates the need for the rest of the world to keep their distance from these insane people.
islam islam islam islam......
phew!
We will know all the answers in the end, until then we will act like fools...blind to the obvious and deaf to the screaming truth. Those of you who wish to play "no religion is peace"....drop out of the conversation now. Those of us who have a religion....learn it, defend it and practice it. Oh the web of lies the devil spins on all of us. (Oh does that reference make me a Christian?)...hmmm
Secretly, they're madder at the muslim extremists.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
Here's a great link for you. Scroll through, there's lots here.
Israel a long time liability of ours is a key obstacle on the path of peace with Muslims.
"They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East. I think Reagan was right. We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics, so, right now we're building an embassy in Iraq that's bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do, from the perspective, of what would happen if somebody did it to us." Ron Paul 2012
How about the Russia, China, France, Britain and USA sign a pact to get rid of all nukes? Once signed, we get rid of the nukes by bombing Fascists Islam into nonexistence.
Oh, boo-hoo. How can the Muslims persist with their victimhood mentality? Aren't there about 1 billion in the world? Hardly a repressed minority. Grow up and move into the 21st century.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
You losing friends or not does not help in propping up your argument so you need to get that chip of your shoulder now. The truth needs to be gotten to for you, the friends you lost and for the rest of the United States of America. So stop hiding behind someones unfortunate demise and grow a pair already and dedicate yourself to getting to the real truth of go away.
We will go by the old Jewish saying against the Muslims. "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!"
when america depletes and becomes nothing as we see it is already, Islam will be stronger than ever. There is no way america will survive the way it does business here and abroad.
So Nick, what you are saying is that another culture must meet its demise before Islam can flourish....that Islam cannot flourish on its own merits ?
Actually I am glad Muslims are mad at us. You Muslims can leave the our country and go back to squalor, killing each other, and thus freeing up the tax free status of your Mosques. Go back to the your countries without freedom, the fear of being put in prison, or being shot for demonstrating, and dictatorships. Yes leave the USA we do not need you.
Ok, first off, how do they think their culture is flourishing? Its stuck in the dark ages. And another thing, if they want the Western world to leave the Islamic world alone, would they be willing to stay out of the Western world?
Let me just say that I am an American Muslim. My grand father and great grandfather both fought in the U.S. army. Let me say that EVERYONE that lives in America does not have ancestral roots here. We all came from different places and therefore have to respect one another culture. Islam does not permit the use of violence against Christians and Jews. On the contrary it says respect the people of the book. It says to use violence only in self defense and even in that case you cannot harm woman or children and it condemns suicide. Also, for those ignorant people that say that most "terrorist "are muslim, you need to educate yourself! The word terrorist is used to loosely. I condemn the 9/11 attacks and Al-Qaeda and I openly say that! But think of all the other people that commit terrorism (instilling fear into people). There are plenty of gang members who claim to be Christian. Look at the Norwegian terrorist that killed all those people two months ago. Look at the Zionists in Israel who claim to be Jewish that committed all those atrocities. Somebody can say that they are a religion but they must be judged by their actions! I encourage all of you to educate yourself about Islam. I don't care if you believe in it, I just want you to understand and respect it as I do for every religion!
All these comments on who likes or dislikes Americans or Muslins can be handle with reasoning, if your mental status can handle it. Muslins or wanaby's muslins really have there own country, Middleeast. So why not just round up your sheets and rag heads leave our country and go back to your roots and stay there. You'll notice one day when you all get your head out of the sand that there's plenty of resources in the M/E to share with the entire world. Educate yourselfs and get out of the dark ages and start buiding up a peaceful culture amongst yourself. It will be a better place once you all leave and go back to your country. I promise you I will never step into your country. I have no reason too. I love my USA.
Muslims might be mad at America, but they sure do want to come here, eh ?
THE US GOVERNMENT IS PLANNING ON ATTACKING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ON 9/11/11, THEY WILL BLAME IT ON MUSLIMS! POSSIBLE NUKE ATTACK! THIS IS A REAL WARNING! PRAY ON THAT DAY! TRULY! GOD BLESS!!!
I am a distinctly American American. While I am personally very religious, I also vigorously support the separation of church and state. Until the Islamic world embraces this fundamental principle we will continue to have major conflict with them. Until then everything we do will be seen through the lens of a "religious attack" as opposed to the truth ... We make decisions based on national security, political expediency and maintaining power/influence.
The Muslims are in the West but don't like the West. The Americans are supposed to be malleable and accept the Muslim religion. The Muslims do not accept the Christian religion, the West, or Western culture. I'm really confused why they want to be in the West at all. I almost chuckle at what I expect to be the response of Muslims should Westerners decide to move into their regions and ask the laws to be changed to reflect American culture. Yes, I"m just confused.
ALL religion is a DISEASE of the mind! Be part of the solution–encourage critical thinking!!!!
Would throat-fu$king Jesus help?
Fareed is a sand ni&&er with a skeletor face. He only says things that are contrary to the truth in order to create an eye catching headline. On another note, muslim extremists are such a small threat to America compared to the latin and african-american cesspools we have eroding our own country.
As a Muslim living in canada, I tried to move my family to the us but was rejected because of my religion . Here in canada my family receives social programs like healthcare etc... at no cost or worry of bankruptcy wether they are muslim or not. I'm very highly educated in the uk and america's loss is canada's gain. Ignorant americans don't respect Islam. Once america/americans will finally recognize Islam as an official religion of the united states and fallow sharia law. Only then Islamic world will accept america and the mighty Allah will reverse the economic downturn. Pretending to elect a Muslim president dose not help if he christian. Hope more americans will understand and join Islam since we are the largest growing peaceful religion, there and the world. Peace to all and God bless!!
Dr K Mohamed
It's interesting that you refer to yourself as a Doctor. If you were actually that highly educated I would assume that you would know that the US doesn't reject potential visitors or potential immigrants for 'religion.' Either you are making up this story or you are not telling the entire truth. Many Muslims have been allowed into this country. There are millions of Muslims living in the US. There are many people that would like to become US residents but we cannot accept everyone that wants to move here. You seem to want to suggest that the US hates Muslims and doesn't want to admit them. You have a personal agenda. That's very clear.
You are neither Muslim, nor live in Canada. Your ignorance in the style of writing you produce shows you just want to try to stir up emotions of mistrust and hate. Fortunately, you are unable to write, and are a terrible liar.
Don't let the gun barrel burn your butt when you sit down.
Ok, the article brings up some interesting points. It also reaffirms what the correct move in the MIddle east should have been total complete destruction of Islam. You can't fight a war of "hearts and minds", it just won't work we these people. So if there is to be war, then it must be total and complete and utter. Crush everyone stupid enough to point a gun at us, and, get a complete surrender from all parties. Take over the place. Only then re-structure it to a more wetsern pleasing form. Besides, the war spoils could end our money issues here. This article makes it clear that we are at war with all of Islam, no ands if's or buts. So you play to win everything or you don't play. Those are the choices...... There are no others.
I guess that sounded a bit one sided. I mean if you go to war to play to win (you don't play arounf you mean biz). Or, you stay out and don't play the bully's game. War is messy and not fun
So, are they going to blow some chit up or what?
Islam does not allow societies like America to exist. We are hated because we exist, that's all. The US is not a secular islamic society, so according to the War Scrolls, we must be destroyed.
I have read that book, funny thing about it, it's not like the Torah or the Bible, where the stories are in chronological order, the Q'uran is written from the longest book to the shortest. Which is why there is such confusion among the non-islamics when they read it.
Islamics are allowed to do anything to a non islamic, as long as they invoke Allah as their reason. Major case in point Bin Laden. Hiding in plain sight in Pakistan, that alone shows the tolerance muslims have for murdering non muslims.
"According to this narrative, going back to the Middle Ages Christian forces from the West have persistently sought to break the grip of Islam on its people."
Islam is not the indigenous religion of Spain, North Africa, Turkey, Albania, or Iran. Islam was spread to all those regions by invasion. The Crusades were not Western imperialism – they were a (partly successful) attempt by the West to roll back Islamic imperialism. Islam flourished and did indeed surpass the West. It decayed for many reasons, one of which was growing hostility to secular learning. We have reason to fear the same thing from our own religious extremists.
Muslims have the right to feel what they want right or wrong. Personally I would like to see each and every one of them in the USA, pack their bags and head back to their Holly Land. I would like to kick Obama's ass for spending so much money and time to help such an ungrateful people. America needs Oil while we convert to Solar Power. The bottom line is when it comes to Muslims they need to PAY UP or Shut Up!
and is the cause of much killing, raping, suppression and and general craziness on the planet. Start working together.... with humans not ghosts. Keep it private between you, your chosen make believe deity and your crazy friends who believe with you. I'll wait out here with the sane...
muslims are garbage people, who cares what these filthy pieces of garbage think. kill all of them and there is no muslim problem.
am a muslim and am not going back to my country and if you dont like it kiss my assss, and at the moment go and pick your pieces at ground zero
I REJECT THE ARTICLE. MOST MUSLIMS, BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION UNDERMINE AND HATE CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM! THEY START OUT EVIL!
Yet, muslims kill more muslims then anyone else. But I guess that is ok.
Who isn't mad? Muslims need to draw a ticket and get in line.
The main reason the article did not mention is our Foreign policy towards the Arab World and the blind support of Israel when it comes to the issue of a Palestinian State.
We say one thing in the press and secretly do something different behind close door.US along with Isreal will be the only country in the world that will not back the Palestinan request for recognition this September at the UN.
Wikileak has also shown that we help mentain some of the most repressive regime in the Arab world.
"But only when Muslims perceive America as no longer being an obstacle to their endeavor will they be able to move forward in their discovery...." The fundamental problem with this statement is that, although not all Muslims believe that terrorism is acceptable, the ultimate goal of ALL Muslims is world domination by Islam and the implementation of Shariah law (as stated in the article). This means that, unless Americans submit to the implementation of Shariah, which contains many conflicts with our own system of democratic beliefs, Muslims will never be accepting of America and our values, some more violently than others.
Isn't it really the other way around – "Islam seeks to undermine America"?
f k islam a holes
muslims are the same as death. they both want death for all of us.
Great article. I havent read much of the comments section, but if I know online commentators, they probably didn't read the article and came to their own conclusion without even listening to other viewpoints. Typical.
But I find the article fascinating. I do agree that sometimes American views on society and government really get in the way of how other countries want to do things. As a U.S. citizen with roots in another country, I can really sympathize with foreign viewpoints that Americans consistently force-feed democracy and the American way of life down people's throats.
Not saying democracy is wrong. Just saying anything can be seen as disrepectful and an intrusion depending on how we send the message. I can see how Muslims in Middle Eastern countries find this distasteful.
Even though I don't agree with a Sharia theocratic way of ruling, (I heard one time in a story that a father tried to have his daughter killed because she converted to Christianity) I do believe that war, forced entry into the Islamic world, and a insistence that Muslims politically "convert" to the American way is not the best way to bring peace and to simmer tension. Diplomacy is really needed here. Diplomacy and a lot of mutual understanding. As always, any good thing takes time.
Muslims kill Muslims more than anyone else. They are their own worst enemy. If America and Israel were located on the moon, the middle east would still be a volatile region. They would just blame another country for their woes.
Jesus H Christ... everybody just be quiet, take care of your families, and help your neighbor(s) if you can. If any person of any fanatical ilk comes into your life with a preverbial "bomb" strapped to their chest, fill their Chhristian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu (or any other) faces with holes. The economy wont get trashed that way...
Great article. During my travels, including two combat deployments to Afghanistan, I have come to find much of what the author said above to be true. Most Muslims, most people the world over actually, just want to live their lives in peace and provide a better future for their families. The vast majority don't support the atrocities committed against us and others in the west by al Qaeda.
For those who say support for al Qaeda only lessoned after they realized they were mass murdering "their own people", I'd like to remind you all the of Muslim countries that had people gather and hold candle light vigils for the citizens we lost on 9/11. Food for thought.
And yet their leaders give LIP service to the throngs of terrorism by their extremists...and then turn their heads when they are hiding in their cities and supported by their citizens... Only MUSLIMS can put an end to the extremists and you said it best. Not buying your argument.
It's pretty simple.. Leave us alone. We don't want American women dressed in a body condoms and we like for them to be able to drive and vote. Hating us because we believe in freedom is pure and simple envy. Get over it. Very few Americans want any wars overseas especially in Iraq and Afghanistan but if you poke us we'll bomb you. My first impression of any Muslim man is that they believe in a twisted version of freedom and therefore I'm uninterested in a relationship of any kind with you. Also.. If you're a freedom hater stay out of the US.
I don't suppose this lingering anger has anything to do with the United States billion dollar a day killing brown people habit.
Who says it's a bad thing to become educated about other religions and cultures? Why would that be a bad thing? Aren't some of you aware that ignorance is NOT bliss? What's it honestly going to hurt you?
I'm an American Disabled Veteran of the OID/OED and single mother of two teenage girls, yet I have the time to learn about other cultures. So it's obviously not a time constraint issue, unless you are the busiest person on earth.
Willful ignorance, to me, is as evil as racism and bigotry. Someone made the point about terror being perpetrated by Muslims. Does that mean in any way, that all Muslims are terrorists or capable of becoming one? If we believed that was possible then we'd be forced to apply the same logic to 30+ white males. Because nearly all serial killers are white males in their 30s. So if we must generalize, then we must fear all 30+ men for what they are or will become.
Do you understand how ignorance can be used against you?
I have been to several Muslim countries and made many Muslim friends. One thing I've learned that people must learn to evolve: people are people, everywhere.
On another note: America's vitriol toward Islam reminds me of the racism that immigrants faced when they first got here at the beginning of the 20th Century. There were signs put up in places like "Irish Need Not Apply." Now most Americans rather than opening their mind to different cultures and religion, choose to live in ignorance toward the Muslim people; many of which are American citizens and should be afforded the same respect which you would like.
If they are so dissatisfied with this country, then get the F out of it!!!
9/11 was done by Muslim terrorists
All Muslims arent terrorist
Radicals are radicals doesnt matter what religion.
Now tell me one thing, imagine if one of our home grown Americans crashed planes in another countries land mark, and that country accused us Americans of having Weapons of Mass Destruction and raided our country and did w/e they wanted.
How would you as a innocent citizen act?
What if one of the soldiers was just shooting people or even raping one of your own?
More civilians have died then the people in the twin towers.
100,000+ innocent people have been killed in this so called war.
3,000 died on 9/11 attacks.
And we (Americans) should give a rats wazoo about what they think?
what about why americans hate muslims
I'm so Dam n tired of pushing 1 for english. I'm so tired of hearing foreign people coming here wanting freedom. If that's so then throw your past aside and join us!!
fook mooslims....
please die or go back to the sand diaPer head goat fookers.....
Great thing about the U.S......if you don't like it, you are free to leave.
So it's ok for the broad brush of Muslims to broad brush Americans, but not the other way eh? Sounds... LIBERAL! CNN throwing another garbage article at us.
You deal with it if you are in our country, or you suck it up that you weren't born here if you arent. Honestly, we don't care.
If the dirtbags didn't plot against us and fly planes into our buildings then we wouldn't have to go over there and kick their butts.
I don't like Christianity, Muslim or any religion what so ever. Where do I stand? Blaming each other is for their own benefit. They all act stupid.
Don't you guys know– why Muslims are still mad? Because you guy are bunch of hypocrites & non-believers, go back & read your comments, see the language & tone of voices of each comment. You should be shame yourself, you are criticizing those of Muslims who are the respectable Citizens of this country, look at yourself see in the mirror– you have no education, you don't even know who you are and you are claiming yourself as a "true-american, whistle blower, Dr, ETC"! How dare you are criticizing "Fareed Zakaria", you aren't even fit for polish his shoes. My advice for you– "Get education & Get a real life"!
America may very well seek to undermine Islam. But, let's face it, the Islamic religion clearly states that anyone not of that religion is inferior and should either be killed or subjugated. What country, religion or people would NOT want to undermine a religion that wants to subjugate or kill them? And I am not someone who has a misperception of the religion. This is based on the writing in their very own holy books. In actuality, the Muslim religion, if you remove the violent parts, is in many ways an improvement over it's Christian predecessor. But you have to view the religion as a whole, and with the condradicting messages of love and tolerance mixed in with violence and prejudice, you get the extremists who prefer to follow the more negative aspects of the religion. If the average Muslim would simply stand up to the extremist component and punish them for their crimes, instead of hiding and often aiding them, Islam would be as acceptable as any religion. May that day someday come.
Fanatics is what they are. Why do they let a religion control their lives? Can't they think for themselves? They have to have someone tell them what to think. How stupid can they be? Like most religions it was made to control the masses and I guess Islam is doing a good job of it. People that can't think for themselves rely on a religion that does the thinking for them. Mindless masses roaming the world.
It's sad that none of the media has the guts to say what many are thinking and which will no doubt bubble up again this week.
There are a lot of Americans that hate Muslims.... with good reason in their mind.
They see everything from that fatwa against Salmon Rushdie, to dragging dead american soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu, and man shouting death to America every time a camera is pointed at them to of course the unspeakable horror of September 11th and it's hard to not see the reasons, however emotional that many feel that way.
I have a friend whose father was lost in WTC 1. He was ready as he put it, to 'turn Afghanistan to glass"
Before i get a lecture about all they evil Christianity has committed, no argument except that was then, this is now.
Islam is one of the only religions on this planet that was created as a pretext to wage war under a just cause in a holy book. Muslims are the scourge of this planet. I love how a vast majority of them try to convince the rest of the world that they are not like the extremeists that conduct terror operations, yet you rarely ever hear them condemn said actions with their own mouth. Muslims live by a double standard and have given nothing worthwhile to this planet except war, hate and contempt. Islam needs to die a death by fire and I revel in the fact that the United States is eliminating this cancerous cyst from humanity every day. Islam has no place in the civilized world, just like religion has no place in a largely scientific world.
So it's ok for the broad brush of Muslims to broad brush Americans, but not the other way eh? Sounds... LIBERAL! CNN throwing another garbage article at us.
You deal with it if you live in our country, or you suck it up that you weren't born here if you arent. Honestly, we don't care.
Well what do they expect?! After 911 of course there is going to be backlash...my family came to the US from another country. When Germany invaded their country, they will and are still a little weary of Germans. It's not to say they don't tolerate all and do keep an open mind.....just like we do here now. We are weary and always will be of the majority who attacks where you live! Plus it doesn't help to have the extremists always destroying things in the name of whatever god they follow. What's the point? Then when you do see Al-Qaeda on your TV set talking about how they are going to destroy us even, and looking like morons at the same time, of course we are going to LAUGH AT YOU. I agree the US needs to butt out of most world problems, I say let them live in the sand and have nothing if they so wish. They can get by without our help. We can't even get by here in our country because the government is up their ASSES. It's time to back off and let them live how they want in THEIR country. We came to the US and obey the laws here, and I feel strongly that's how people SHOULD be when they decide to live in another country.
I can't believe CNN would try to explain why Muslims hate America. The questions should be "Why do Muslims hate everyone including each other?" If the Muslims could get along with any of their neighbors then chances are they could get along with Americans.They are the strangest group in the world. We do not need to spend the 10th anniversary of this horrible event trying to see if we did something wrong, or try to see if we are not being fair to them. Instead we need to think of them as the collective group that they are, driven by an evil religion which is hell-bent on corruption at every level. I know many will say the fundamental Muslims are the problem and not the mainstream but where has the mainstream been at trying to halt their aggression and distance themselves from this. They all receive their teachings from the koran and all the women look alike with their heads covered. Remember, 'birds of like feather fly together'.
The solution to being unhappy with your surroundings is quite simple. Pack your bags and go where you will be happier. There is a place for everyone in this world that will suit your beliefs, needs and culture. Go there.
Muslims support this type of activity....look at their country and look at ours.
The rest of the world does not Support that lifestyle.
Where are you people living? Under a rock?
maybe the would be happier in Mecca or Syria, go now.
We should be talking about why America still hates Muslims....Seriously, who cares what the Islamic population thinks when they insist on waging a religious-based war on the West in the name of Jihad. I'm not a devout Christian by any means, but one thing is for certain that you don't see devout Southern Baptists flying buildings into the Dome of the Rock or into buildings in Tehran or Mecca or Medina. Yes, they deserve their rights, but at the end of the day, Muslim extremists are waging a war against America and America should accordingly be waging a war against Muslims. 9/11 is still in my memory.
One religion is as silly as the next.
I didn't read any of this article other than the introductory paragraph on the front page, because it is obvious what this article is seeking to do, to make Americans more sympathetic to the concerns of Muslims. They can come here all they want, they can act privately how they want, but the second they try to convert our society into their society via unnatural means, that is stepping way over the line.
"America is seeking to undermine Islam" is not correct, America DOES undermine Islam. We do not believe in letting religion dictate law, though the GOP might like trying to force Christian values on America, they are very unsuccessful at it for the most part. We do not treat our women as lesser people, and make them dress up in some ridiculous outfit and then stone them if they do not in the name of religion. The list really is almost endless, and this crap that we should tolerate and become like them is just insane.
Be enlightened about Islam. Go to Shariathethreat.com. Get their book,Sharia the Threat to America. Isalm is to be taken seriously as a threat to the freedom of this nation, no matter how they present themselves otherise.
There is statistic evidence that Muslims will out-populate the rest of the world within a matter of decades for the sole purpose of ruling and making Islam the prominent religion. If the Koran states some of the things I have been led to believe then prominent will mean the ONLY religion. I have not read the Koran just in case some mouthpiece wants to gripe about what I have said, I don't have time to read it because I am focusing more on reading about my faith. They are out to gain control in a very well laid out plan not evident to those that haven't read the Bible where it states to be steadfast in the word so you can know unbelief and foes to the Lord when they arise. It specifically states they will be crafty in their approach and that it can happen without you realizing it when you don't prepare yourself for it.
Well, Islam should be undermined ... along with every other form of organized religion, for that matter. Absolutely lunacy why anyone would take any of these bogus religions literally.
OK. According to the writer, Muslims are conflicted about whether they want democracy, religious freedom and Western goodies on the one hand, or want Sharia Law and virtual theocracy on the other. Too bad. [BTW, I doubt Sharia Law is as popular with Muslim women as it is with Muslim men.]
Separation of religion and government is a hard-won victory in the West, as are rights for women. It wasn't so long ago that Christians in this country were burning people (mostly women) at the stake. But I wonder what fundamentalist Christian form of Sharia would take root here if the likes of Backmann and Palin had their way.
These types of stories always read like they are stretching the truth & exaggerating to take the side of the Mahommedan. There are very few articles that explore "why America is mad at the Muslims" because those reasons are many, straightforward, and obvious.
I suppose we should have just had a big group hug with them after 9/11 instead.
Hey guys, try not to let the mainstream media divide you any more than you already have. No matter what our backgrounds are, we are all divine sparks of the All-Onenes from which we individuate.
I meant "than they already have", sorry.
...because they are mad people?
The world should declare war on and destroy islam.
they are mad at us? let them kill each other over tribal or sunni divisons. we have enough problems in this country, starting with our government, to spend one more dime worrying about how many iraqis or afgans kill each others children or teachers. not one american life worth a dozen of them.
Maaan, CNN can't help themselves but to put the most biased articles as headlines. This guy leaves sooooo much out. So Americans are trying to undermine Islam? How about Islam undermining Christianity? I don't think they have any Christian politicians in Pakistan anymore BECAUSE THEY KEEP ASSASSINATING THEM! Most Muslims find terrorist attacks undesirable. That wasn't true until the Muslim world realized that most suicide bombings actually kill other Muslims not Westerners 99% of the time. Most Muslims will tell you that a Muslim that converts to Christianity must be killed. 'America only supports liberal Muslim governments" Ya because the religious political parties just want to kill everyone, this guy should have looked up why the Muslim Brotherhood and other Wahabists were banned from political assembly the first place, I guess his 'focus group" didn't cover that.
Start acting civilized and we might treat you with some respect.
Let's look at this with a little clarity. First, Islam is not a tolerant religion; any non-believers are infidels, even the other "children of Abraham" – Jews and Christians. It is stated in the Koran, that the Muslim faith must be spread to everyone, even at the edge of a sword, or in the modern day case, at the blast of an IED. Why is it acceptable that other religions cannot preach their faiths in Muslim countries, but the reverse is true in our "free" western nations? Also, if you were to look up the children's textbooks in Muslim countires, they all deny the existence of Israel as a nation, and state in one way or another that terrorism, or as the Koran calls it, Jihad, is acceptable and in fact necessary. No matter how tolerant the majority of Muslims are, with these tenants of the Koran, and the way their children are indoctrinated, it is inevitable that one or all religions will eventually come into conflict with Islam if they want to survive as a separate belief system. It is also possibly inevitable that Islam itself will evolve into a different form of monotheism that preaches acceptance and tolerance of others. If and when this happens, perhaps then they can coexist with other religions without the constant threat of wondering when they will attack again. Perhaps we should begin to wonder what is going to happen if "democracy" succeeds in the Arab Spring revolutions. Why do you think the Muslim Brotherhood is being so nice? They know that all they need to do is bide their time, get elected into the new governments of Libya, Tunesia, Egypt, solidify their holds over the military and security forces of those countries, and then form a Pan-Islamic Caliphate. What then? Will they rise up and stage their own version of the Crusades? Will they decide that the time is right to convert the rest off the world to Islam? If not now, then do we have to wonder when it will happen in the future? I only ask this in order to discover the truth about the beliefs of Islam. If there are any Muslims reading this, please answer this question: According to the Koran, is it the obligation of all Muslims to conduct Jihad (in one form or another) in order to spread the Faith?
In my humble opinion we should offer all Muslims a free one way ticket back to the rock pile of their choice. Plain and simple: the overwhelming majority of US citizens do not want them living with us. Is this wrong? No, Not at all. If they wish to be enlightened then maybe they can stay. However their thoughts and practices are not agreeable to us. Their "brothers" want us dead. Rather than having them as unwelcome guests they should just be made to leave. No if ands or buts about it. We don't like their ways, we don't want them here. No ambigutiy. Any questions ???
I don't understand why people feel the need to fight and hate each other. Muslim, Catholic, Atheist, why does it matter??? have your religion! follow it however you want! as long as you aren't hurting or disrespecting anyone else then there is no reason for conflict. Muslims who support violence and non-Muslims who support violence are the same and they are both wrong. I have plenty of Muslim friends and not one of them has ever had any violent ideas at all. We don't need to hate each other.
You know what gets me is that we are supposed to respect all these religions and cultures and back away from them and leave them alone to flourish and lead their countries as they choose . . . but America, once a Christian nation, is supposed to wipe away all that history and not promote it to their citizens and pretend it doesn't exist. This country was founded by people who believed in God and who chose to allow religious freedom in this country. Now, it is free to be a part of and support any religion as long as it isn't Christian because we are always wrong and too vehement in our approach to things. I wonder what those founders would think if they knew the religious freedom they supported would one day lead to the systematic destruction of their religion. So many people spout that education is the key to understanding all cultures and religions and being accepting of all people, so why is the acceptance of Christianity and its followers so taboo. I am very well educated. I am also very firm in my belief that this world was created as well as this country by the one and only sovereign Lord God! If you choose to be Muslim that is between you and God and I will pray for saving grace to reach your life, but don't expect me and my nation to change to accommodate you or accept you and your beliefs as OUR own. You want your ideals and principles in your homes and lives to reflect your religion . . . well, so do I. I am so sick of America always being the bad guy. If it is so bad let me let you in on a secret . . . it is a free country . . . you were free to stay in your country practicing your religion the same way you are free to stay in ours practicing it . . . just don't expect us to pretend like we never had beliefs we want to hold onto . . . you are also free to leave if you don't like it. Regardless of the foe that comes against the Lord he will prevail in the end as always. Those practicing other religions and those without faith will eventually understand the Lord's supremacy and hopefully it isn't too late. Quite frankly, I don't care if Muslims are mad at America any more than I care if anyone is mad at America. If you think somewhere else is better, go there! Sometimes I get mad at Americans but I don't expect them all to HAVE to be like me, I just want people to let me be me and quit trying to wipe my religion, morals, values, and beliefs off the map to accommodate theirs.
Murderers disguised as religious people
Who cares?
I really no longer CARE what the muslims think of America. Screw em. They may not SUPPORT the terrorism but I'll be damned if I see much outrage when it happens. VERY few high profile people in the muslim community give a damn about anything but themselves. Glad they don't like us. I don't like them. Period.
What do they really expect? They worship a child molester, their cult calling is to behead anyone who doesn't believe in their brand of crazy, plus they need a bath, pretty badly.
I am a Muslim.. I am not mad. I am hurt. I love this country as much as any American. Today I tried to board a plane and they wouldnt let me board, I dont have criminal record, I abide by the law. They took me out of the line and had to do a security check. I am sick of being discriminated against and treated like a second class citizen just because of the color of my skin and my name.
I have had the same thing happen to me. I am not a Muslim. However, I do not object to any of the efforts made by TSA and our government to safeguard our flights. I want them to do whatever they feel is necessary. All of us, Muslim and non-Muslim must accept some degree of inconvenience. None of us should take it personally. It is for our own safety.
Ali,
You are a Hypocrite! Pleas see my preceding post. BTW, congratulations on your apostasy!
Muslims hate America because their Profit Muhammad taught them to hate all non-Muslims. The hatred is throughout the Qur'an, Ahadith (stories of Muhammad) and Sirat (biographies of Muhammad). Muslims are directed to take over the world by any means available.
Terrorism is in the Qur'an (8:12-13): "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment."
Muhammad boasted about his success using terror: "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror, and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.' Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures." (Hadith Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220)
As for those Muslims who are nice people and not consumed with destroying infidels, The Qur"an (3:167) a word for them, "Hypocrites." "And that He might know the hypocrites, unto whom it was said: Come, fight in the way of Allah, or defend yourselves. They answered: If we knew aught of fighting we would follow you. On that day they were nearer disbelief than faith. They utter with their mouths a thing which is not in their hearts. Allah is Best Aware of what they hide."
If a Muslim denies any of this, he is permitting a permissible form of deception. "Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)." (Hadith Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857)
People who think "we did it" are the most ridiculous of human beings. Oh, right after the so-called "Muslim extremists."
With 9/11 anniversary coming up, probably not an article to arouse much understanding from Americans
Who cares about these cave dwellers who follow the child rapist? You hate America, so go back to your cave and make the sweet love to your camel! Have fun living in the 13th century.
What a shame to post this right on the anniversary of 9/11! The question should be asked, "Why are Americans mad at Muslims?" Hm....9/11? Muslims come into America to have a better life and then bawk at Christianity and American culture. Our ancestors fought for freedom and the right to live and to be whatever you want to be. LOVE America! Land of the free and home of the brave!!!
There is too much emphasis by Muslims on being understood...
We are the ones that are mad at them! We don't care who they are mad at...they are always mad at someone...they have been for centuries.
yep, ALL religious people are mentally ill on some level, the more "devote" you are to your brand of crazy, the more dangerous you are to civilized human beings
The two real problems are, two many people and religion. Both distort the truth and facts, now there are three or four or even six versions of the same event.
I laugh that everyone on planet Eart blames America for all of their troubles. If the muslums are unhappy with their governments then they need to simply change it just like Egypt, Tunisa and Libya have done. Kuwait, Saudi, Bahrain, etc have US military agreements in place. This writer makes it sounds like American invaded Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and created military bases there. All of these countries have deicded it is in their best interests to have USA forces in the region. So OBVIOUSLY, the writer is incorrect in suggesting that most Mulsums in the Middle East do not want American forces in the region. These countries are Muslim countries in the Middle East. As someone who has spent 3 years living in the Middle East it is clear that this writer does not understand the Middle East. Everywhere I go in the Middle East the Muslims treat me with respect and are very friendly when they find out I am an American. "Where are these Muslums that are mad at America?" I have not seen them in the Middle East!!! Oh and if some Muslums are "mad at America" that are culture undermines Islam . . . then . . . stop watching our movies, stop listening to our music, etc, etc, etc. . . pretty simply stuff – right?!?!?! LMAO at this article.
I say Muslims are mad because they believe the American lifestyle goes against their religion. It's the same reason the tea party thinks that it needs to "take back the country" because they really have a fundamentalist Christian agenda disguised as a concern for the finances of the U.S. government. The same anger is at the root of both. It amazes me that religion still has such a hold of such a large portion of our world's population, but then again most cults, especially the good ones such as Christianity, Judaism, Muslim, etc have learned how to coerce their members into staying. I hate to say it, but the Beatles were onto something, "Imagine no religion...."
Religions are man made and we are all imperfect, but God is still God sir and he loves you and he is real and that will be evident to all at some point.
The Beatles? Lol, yes, there is a religion. Rob, don't throw a blanket over all the Tea Party Members. I support the Tea Party efforts. Being careful with American's hard earned money is important because our representatives have grossly overspent for decades – it has finally caught up with us. Things must change because all their monetary promises can't be paid. Their $ promises are unsustainable. It is math, Rob......not religion...
Oh no...Muslims don't feel wanted here. Well they are not by a good percentage of the population. Why, with all the devout Moozlum countries in world, do they come here. We believe in freedom FROM religion as much as we believe in freedom OF religion. It goes against everything they hold dear. Sharia law throughout the world is their goal, so yes we need to get rid of their crap religion. Their fears of not being wanted are real and justified. WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE. Plain enough for you.
America is the most tolerant and accepting country on this planet. However, the religion of the pedophile Mohammed is straining that tolerance every day. I do my job as an American parent to drill it into my daughters the evil and horrors that will befall them if they associate with Muslim males. Every parent should do the same.
Are you kidding me, diplomacy misstep! The whole country wanted to go after who was responsible. Was Bush to sit on his ass and do nothing. Remember, people criticized him for staying in the school room.
well ain't that just toooooo damn bad they are mad...breaks my freaking heart how they murder innnocent people....get the hell outta my country....they are real eager to take the cash.....Hmmmmm .....wonder why....can't grow crap in rocks....
So if someone comes to America from India, are you saying that they should be forced to change and become one of us?
Why can't they bring their values and culture? Where the hell is diversity?
No one and no country should say you have to assimilate to their views or lifestyle.
I know damn well if you went to another country for any reason, you wouldnt want to be forced to change.
Hey, I feel their pain. I feel like America is demeaning me and trying to bash my religion, too ----- Christianity.
Well said sister!
I know that when a American goes to a foreign country that we are expected to abide by the culture and laws of that land. Why is it any different here? Why are we expected to bend over backwards to be tolerate of foreign religions and culture? We would be crucified if we did such things in their land. Dead..........
Muslim=terrorist
Yup!!
No muslims are good.My some friends are muslims and they are great as humans
"From this assumed American perspective, Muslim society is seen as simply behind the West in this evolutionary process."
This is the actual argument that we are having. Not all cultures are equal.
I for one don't give a rats azz what ANY mooooslim, or Non U.S. Citizen thinks. PERIOD. They can go back and rot in the desert. If you live here in the U.S.of A. you live by our rules and customs. Don't like it...head for the coast and start swimming. ....
Historical facts clearly prove that Islam has not changed since its inception in the 700s. There is no room for tolerance, renaissance, democracy or progressive thinking, but only strict obedience and violence for those who do not obey or convert. 20th century muslims are no different than their ancestors.
Ironic that America is one of few places where Muslims have always been welcome to freely practice their religion, in fact sometimes the government has bent over backwards to protect that right for them. Going forward they will continue to be allowed to practice their religion so long as they do so in accordance to laws of this country, just like any other religion. If Muslims or any other religious sect feel they cannot live within the laws of this land they are more than welcome to leave.
Yeah, they even have a president who is more interested in sucking up to them than running a country
You have that right!
Personally, I could care less how mad muslims are. That anger should be directed towards Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. CNN just likes to insult, attack, and mock the majority of Americans who built this country.....
I would imagine it has something to do with killing millions of middle eastern people over the past 10 yrs. Destroying their homes and businesses. Painting them in a different light then they really are.. creating the CIA ran Al-Qaeda and blaming it on their brand of religion... i mean really? what a dumb F*%#$*& question.
Until 9/11, America didnt give a crap about Muslims. Once 9/11 happened, tho, Muslims everywhere pretty much put a huge target on their backs. And its not just in America, but in just about every modern society. So really, its pretty easy to say they brought this on themselves.
Now, not all of them fall in to this category, but most do (i say most because most live in countries that are considered 3rd world and are taught from birth to hate everything non-muslim, regardless of what their religion teaches).
Muslims are still mad at America......This American doesn't give a poop and will sleep nicely tonight, while they stone their women.
Wow! What a hotbed issue. If Muslims hate our country so much, why the hell don't they just stay away?? The root of all evil, if you think about it, is religion. Well, maybe not psyco sociopath Ted Bundy evil, but you get my point.
While everyone is speaking on 9/11, do they realize how many different "9/11" events the U.S. has created in foreign countries with their bombs and weapons of mass destruction?
as a woman i don't like ANY religion that suppresses the gains women have achieved and ultra-right christians and muslims seem to be in that category. ergo, i'm not standing up to either regardless what people think of them.
Why would America try to undermine Islam? What have muslims every done to America? I just can't think of anything.
200 years of America was built with Churches, with Billy Graham, with familiar religions such as Baptist, Catholic, etc. Then Cassius Clay and the Black Panthers imported islam and became Mohammed Ali, etc. Not until 911 did Americans actually pay attention to mosques, etc. Today, the alien to america religion of islam is thought of as terrorism. America doesn't want moslems, muslims, whatever you call it. America is a christian nation, always has been, always will be.
God Bless America
Who flew the planes into the towers? Enough said...
To Chance of Flight. Are you out of your mind!!!
Sadly, muslims are made out to be the scapegoats in this FAKE war on terror. Sure, there are radical groups but no where near the level that the US Gov't is claiming. Just go to a US airport. Nazi style tactics being performed by the TSA just like Germany in the 1940's. The war on terror was never for muslims; it was for the American people.
The religion was created by a very disturbed man and they treat their women like dogs.
Islam is BAD NEWS people. Watch coverage of September 11, 2001. Now insider again. ISLAM IS BAD NEWS.
I appreciate that you are trying to get all sides of the story; but SERIOUSLY this is what takes up more than half of your webpage? I wish you would talk about the people that died on September 11th; or the brave men and women of the police and fire departments that responded to these attacks. I do not consider this story as being at all relevant to the memory of September 11th.
M u s l i m s are the Borg – you will be assimilated
beam me off this polluted rock Scotty
Well, if the ragheads don't like it here, simple solution.
LEAVE.
This is ridiculous! This article is just a strict generalization of Muslim feelings. Most of the negativism towards the US has been generated at radical madrassas throughout the world. Now, most Muslims are honest, hard-working people that are being led like sheep to the drink the "hate-America" kool-aid. It's just sad.
Now, millions of Muslims living here...millions more WANTING to come here...testify that our system should, instead of destroyed, should be emulated by the Muslim people...And it is happening right now...More and more youth are taking over their countries and transforming them into working democracies...It will take time, but they will triumph...
My God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, will in the end unite us all...through Jesus Christ...one day we will all pray and worship together and bow and marvel before God's glory in Mecca and Jerusalem...In New York City and Tokyo...
Inshallah!
Perhaps if 100% of the terrorist attacks were not carried out by Muslims, the world might view them more favorably. As it is, Muslims view themselves as the perpetual victim and the worlds fight against this extremism is justified. I do not care if they like us or not. I do care that they stop carrying out and/or supporting terrorism.
"At the same most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role. "
You want to know why many Americans don't like Islam? THAT is why. And yet you tell us that America needs to "back away from muslim countries". Try looking at those two statements in the context of militant Islam that has widespread occurrences of purposely maiming, crippling, torturing and killing (including the deliberate torture of children)...look at it objectively. If you still don't understand why many/most Americans distrust Islam, you never will.
I have been living in US for 4 years now. I like American people and culture a lot. I have made it a point to embrace what this great country has to offer and to share the colors and zeal of my culture. I have hosted Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners for my American friends and they have celebrated Diwali and Holi with me with equal enthusiasm. Having shared so many nice things with such amazing people, the feelings have always been reciprocated very well by each and every American I have ever met. I strongly believe that you get what you give. Give love and respect and you shall receive it back.
I don't think Muslims still mad at America, they love America and want to be with America, all they want is some
attention from America! But we America is not giving them enough of it....America stands for the World. Saying
the Muslims hate America is like saying the Muslims hate the World....
to hell with mustlims and their bullcrap. they're like the borg with their "if you're not one of us you're against us" malarky. in fact get rid of all religions.
who cares....
Dear Muslims, if you don't like America, choose another country and go live there.
Yeah, Americans hate people who blow us up. Gee, who'd have thunk? Police your extremists, or face the consequences. All of you. Pbbbth.
Sir, please get your grammar first, then make your case. Let me think about this, all those on the planes on 9/11 were.........????........Bring on the Crusaders?......gg
America has not singled out Muslims. We're just not pampering them. In plain and simple terms, their theocratic culture and religion make them incompatible with our culture and social standards. They will not prosper because of it, and then blame us for deliberately sabotaging their efforts to settle in a new land. There is a difference between an Arab-American and an Arab living in America. One is acceptalbe, the other is not. And they need to learn the difference.
Yeah Daniel, you were their to witness it, or you tried this out in your physics class. In your physics class did you experiment this knowledge of yours on two monstrous buildings, and did you have two planes? Were you the pilot?
The religion of stupidity.
you want to see muslims and islam as your leaders wants you to see just think alittle muslims have just two missions first worship allah second:ask the people to worship one god that have neither son nor Daughter if you belive in this you will be the winner and enter the Paradise if you dont its up you and you will be the loser thats all about us we have no permission to kill anybody except the one who came to kill us and our sons and friends we donot hate jesus we belive that he was amessanger and we love him as we love muhamed we belive that allah sent down the bible and Torah we belive in all Prophets
Ali, when are non-violent Muslims going to address the following passages in the Quran? Surah 2, verse (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
testing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw 911- INSIDE JOB
What an injustice to make such sweeping generalizations! Thinking people don't presume to know the feelings of an entire religion! And to throw the word "fundamental" in the byline.
I really don't care why the muslims are mad. God is going to defeat them in the end and the new Jerusalem will be established when Christ returns in his glory. Until then...let the governments and false religions of the world fight it out!
Muslims cant be trusted, their so called religion preaches hate and destruction, and if you would ask any true American they will tell you that they are not wanted here. We should not allow any muslims into our country.
The article states the reason: Muslims are mad at America because of American Culture. They view our open society, freedoms and culture as a threat to their religion. There is no way the two can co-exist. One must subject their way of life to the other.
How can one "undermine" islam? This is religious fantasy with no roots in reality. These poor folks are stuck in their metaphor and imprisoned by the "belief" that has been foisted upon them their whole lives. The turmoil in the mideast will continue and little change will come due to the muddle-headed insistence on supernatural dictates of their respective mythologies.
Screw Muslims, GTFO go back to pakistan.
i agree. GTFO before we TUTFO.
Muslims didn't fly planes into the world trade center.......terrorists did.
Just Kidding!! I had you for a second....
HEY MUSLIMS! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU ARE TREATED, TAKE YOUR FALSE RELIGION AND YOUR FALSE GOD AND GO BACK TO YOUR PAGAN LAND! ONE DAY, YOUR PAGAN RELIGION IS HEADQUARTERED IN HELL, WHERE ALLAH ABIDES WITH SATAN! I DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR ANY OF YOU AND I CERTAINLY DON'T CARE IF YOU HATE ME OR NOT! AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES AND IDEALS! THAT IS WHY SHE FLOURISHED! NOW YOU WANT TO ENJOY THE BENEFITS OF THAT! GIVE UP ALLAH AND YOUR PAGAN RELIGION AND YOU TOO CAN EMBRACE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, ENJOY LIFE AND HAVE AN ETERNITY IN HEAVEN! IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO DO THIS, ENJOY YOUR MISERABLE LIFE, FOR ETERNITY WILL BE FAR WORSE!
America's existence undermines Islam – a completely bogus religion that mandates the entire world become Muslim. America's success spits in the face of Muhammad, and Muslim fascists can't accept the fact that any five year old Muslim kid can ask the obvious "If God loves the 'Prophet', why do infidels run the world?" Of course, the poor kid will be beaten to within an inch of his life for his curiosity – guaranteeing an Islam afraid of introspection. The whole thing is really quite disgusting. They're nearly as bad in their arrogance as Southern Baptists.
This article infuriates me! Muslims are trying to undermine AMERICA! Example, muslim taxi drivers in MN refusing to take Americans with Duty Free Alcohol. The muslims come here and then try to change and undermine us!!! It is not us undermining them. They have all the freedom here they do not in muslim countries. The tone of this article is awful and I resent it CNN. Muslim attacked us and we still welcome them. But get real, no one is undermining them here in America. What they are dealing with today is a result of their own regilions actions against us.
Why aren't AMERICANS marching in protest of the tens of thousands of foreigners murdered by their government in the last 10 years?
The dictionary definition of hypocrite should include a picture of a typical American citizen.
The test case for Muslim "integration" is not their dealings with the west, but in their dealings with the East. Prior to the Mogul invasion of India, Indians were the most religiously tolerant society in the world. Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, and yes, even Judaism lived in harmony. The majority Hindu population used to think all beliefs were Hindu, because the religion itself did not discriminate against other beliefs - it simply thought all people were of one religion interpreted differently.
What happened when Islam entered with the Mogul Invasion? Against a people that had never waged war against it (so the claim that they were being persecuted is bunk in this case)? They immediately enacted the Jizya (tax on nonbelievers), forced conversion, executed pagans, and set us on the path of religious intolerance that you see in India now. Indeed, when Muslims had a chance to live in a democratic country after british rule, the chose to take part of the land for themselves (which they were GIVEN despite never having ANY historical claim to Indian ancestral lands) called pakistan which immediately became an islamic fundamentalist country.
If one religion is the only religion to war with christians, sikhs, jews, hindus, buddhists, and jains, one must wonder if the world has a right to be "mad" at it instead of the other way around, no?
"Western cultural products are seen as seductively undermining Islamic culture." So why do so many Muslims purchase them then? Noone's holding a gun to their head. This is ridiculous. If they want their law to be sharia then stay in countries where that is supported. In the West, separation of Church and State is the way of the land, thankfully. They want to have their cake and eat it too. Too bad.
Maybe when Muslims prove they want to become Americans by turning in their terrorist friends then integration will not be a problem. Frankly, someone in the community knows something but will not talk because it would be turning against a brother Muslim. Extinction of that type mentality certainly cannot hurt.
HAHA ISLAM IS A GUTTER RELIGION. AGHANISTAIN IS A BIG DIRTY TOILET.
This article is pretty stupid. It has nothing to do with western culture or any other cultures. If Israel were built in Africa at expense at African people, i bet there would be lot of african terrorists terrorizing The U.S.
Why do Muslims hate Jews so much? Serious question...
Yeah, I can see why Muslims dislike the US... but I still can't support any government based on sharia. No way, no matter what.
AND------just what would they do if they had the capability? kill everyone that is not muslim, and then kill everyone that is not radical muslim, and then kill each other because of disagreements. The radical belief is absolutely no difference than the Nazi movement in WW II Germany. If they had nuclear bomb capabilities Sep 11th that would have been the tool of destruction.
The problem is that if you believe in humankind and science, then who cares what religious nuts think, whether they are islamic, christian, hindu or otherwise. If it is a religious viewpoint about our country, than I couldn't care less
Boo-hoo, some stone-age cavepeople are mad at the U.S.. Boo-hoo.
Why are Muslims still mad at the U.S.? That's a simple question. We haven't scared them into submission via nuclear holocaust yet.
Yes and it's time PUSH THE BUTTON that will ring in the 10 year anniversary !!!!!!
Why Muslims are still mad at America......because they CAN'T defeat us.
The only good camel jokey is one six feet under...
ummmmm ok im muslim and honestly i am not really angry at america at all just sayen
Man's take on religion is all but wrong and completely counterproductive to the advancement of the human race, and certainly does not match any criteria one would expect of Godly behaviour.
Sad really, to think where we might have been by now without all the wars and hatred since the dawn of civilization, all inspired by the one common theme present in ALL religions: "I am better than you because God is on my side, not yours".
If people cannot start changing what they take from religious practices and use it for only good practices to treat fellow man with kindness and respect, then the entire human race will be destroyed by it's own doing.
Why Muslims are still mad at America? Because they can't go on in life without being mad at something.
america is free\
One lesson we can all larn from history is that religions cannot be destroyed. People have tried to eradicate christianity, jewdiesm and Islam many times throughout history. It never worked. The faithful will only get more faithful if you fight to eradicate their views. It is only when we understand one another and accept one another that we can flourish as a single human race. This is why I found this article a pleasure to read. It tries to understand the root casues of differences, which is the first step of building bridges. I hope people truely read it. After all, 1 in 6 people in the world today are muslim. Muslims won't go away. They will probably increase despite how much some of us may hate them. Intergrate, teach and learn from one another. This is the only way.
They can all kiss my aazz from here to the end of time until they denounce their since the beginning of time violent ways or it will be their undoing for another thousand years if they don't soon chill.
You have to be kidding me! you call this journalism?
This kind of left field coverage of an irrelevant issue is killing this country.
...you can do a lot better at news reporting.
Witness the great Liberal Media Hypocrisy: Feel sorry for the muslims, and try to understand their sensitivity to their religion, but crush the white American religious people with their own beliefs.
It's time to give God the pink slip. Have Jews, Muslims, and Christians looked at their world according to the monotheistic God of the day. All of this murder bred by hate, strained through the minds of the most ignorant SOBs breathing, and we have deities of the twenty-first century. What a disaster, we would all be better off worshipping the spaghetti god, at least we all will be on the same bowel schedule.
I think Most of the CNN employees are Muslims. Every day they have a story with Muslims or Islam.
I find it funny how Muslims love to get angry about the Crusades... when it was them who invaded Spain first. It's a complete double standard and I'm sick of the Muslim world playing the victim.
It's totally OK for Hamas to launch rockets into Israel, and when Israel responds it's an invasion.
It's totally OK for the Muslim world to try and destroy Israel as a people (we're talking genocide here folks) not once, but three times.
It's totally OK for Muslims to take over an area and then kill every non-Muslim in it, but if Islam is beaten, demands for apologies and concessions are expected from everyone else.
It's totally OK for people of differing faiths to be hunted down and killed, after all, non-Muslim's aren't people
Not once has the Muslim world apologized for anything it's ever done. Not once. Never.
And sure, maybe the average Muslim on the street isn't like this, but their governments are.
The reason why Americans (most anyway) hate Christianity is because Jesus Christ says that all people are unrighteous and if you don't repent and believe, your sins will take you to Hell. "But I (i.e., Jesus) died for you so you can go to heaven, if you will only repent and believe.) On the other hand, the reason why most Americans hate Islam is because Muslims, who are just as unrighteous as anyone else, are self righteous and say, "if you won't believe as we do we'll kill you... as soon as we get enough power and the opportunity."
America seeks to undermine islam? A 'religion' more akin to a virus than a belief system. A 'religion' that seeks to keep women as second class citizens? A 'religion' that allows men to beat and kill their wives with no penalty? A 'religion' that wants it's own set of legal standards? A 'religion' that says ALL other religions' followers are going to hell unless they accept islam? A 'religion' so insane that a mere cartoon of the so-called prophet mohammed causes islamic insaniacs to physically harm the cartoonist? This not a 'religion', it is a virus. muslims don't like America? Why come or stay here?
Be as angry as you want, Muslims. You're in a country which won't persecute you for your beliefs.
There is no reconciliation of Sharia and the rights of the individual. Recognize it and get over it Muslims, one or the other, freedom or not.
I guess the sensors don't like my opinion.......
Blatant racism this article is an example of what is wrong with America today. Stop creating us vs them nonsense like this.
I didn't even read the article – I find it unnecessary. I didn't even read the last two words of the headline – also unnecessary. That Muslims are still mad is not news. Muslims don't know any other way to be. If Muslims on large are ever content, THAT would be news. They have it ingrained into their souls to be so mad about everything, there will never be another way. I'm sure that my post here would enrage any conservative Muslim; while if you swapped the word "Muslim" out for "Jew" or "Christian" (or anything else) the reaction by those individuals would be basically "well everyone has an opinion – and you have yours."
Muslims are not capable of that sort of indifference. They would in fact tell me that indifference is weakness; while I submit that quite the opposite is true.
Sick and tired of Muslims getting a pass for everything. Give them what they accuse us of then let them eat PORK. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
@Chanceofflight ... I cannot believe your lack of understanding of history! Gaddafi was not put in charge by the U.S. or any Western powers as you state. It is true that the West supported his predecessor, King Idris (and, technically, Idris' son, the Crown Prince, who was "King for a Day" 9/1 – 9/2 1969). Gadaffi's coup drove out the Americans who were stationed there, both industrial workers and military (I know, I had a friend at Wheelus Air Force Base). I am not placing a value on the American Forces present nor on his coup – simply saying "Get your facts straight!!"
Is this article a copy/paste job from a Ron Paul speech? This sounds awfully familiar to what he's been saying for years.
their absolutly right on; we dont support sharia law why becuase we dont even like our law so how they figure we would support their even more ridiculous law is beyond me; now americans ;white people;christians cant live on their continent or they will kill you and thats fine 99 percent have no intention to your evil part of the world ; but we dont want them on our continent so go away you will never fit in we will continue to hate your stupid mosques and your turbins and you casper outfits you of all nationalities will never be accepted here by the majority of the population; so if oppressed enough you will leave because noone will hire you all so soon we will get our way and you will leave back to where you belong with the rest of your kind; dont come here and think you will change us it wont work
Your Muslims people are mad SCREW YOU !!!!!
Who ever hates America, they are the worst people in the world
Guess WHAT!!!!! Muslims don’t like Jews, Buddhist, Hindus, and they especially don’t like gays and atheist either…..because..... it is ingrained in their religion and teachings and you know what else you don’t need a FIVE year study to figure this out!!!!!...............
All muslims want America to fail, and they all want us to ddie, it is just that basic
Islam undermines itself with a huge percentage of Muslims being illiterate and swayed by regional propaganda. It also undermines itself with a holy book filed with instructions on when it is appropriate to kill and even how to kill. A HOLY BOOK!
Muslims can kiss my ass. If you refuse to become civilized you don't belong in a civilized world.
Many Muslims believe that America hates Muslims. That is not true: We FEAR them. It's an entirely different issue. Look, the internecine battles between Shi'a and Sunni, which has been going on since 632 make Islam the most dangerous thing ever faced by humans (as more unstable Muslim countries get nuclear weapons).
We expect Muslims to hate non-believers. But they ALSO hate fellow Muslims. Most victims of terrorism are Muslims. Most victims of Muslim wars are BETWEEN Muslims. Muslims bomb mosques. We don't. Even Israel doesn't.
In truth, Islam itself is toxic. It's what I call the "Inshallah Allah" thing.....everything is Allah's will. Therefore no Muslim regards themselves as RESPONSIBLE for their own behavior. Everything bad that happens is:
1. Someone else's fault
2. The will of Allah
Duplicity, thy name is Islam.
"If we lose to Islam, we lose EVERYTHING."
sanjosemike
I could care less if they hate us or not. A large enough number of Muslims around the world have no problem with terrorists using violence again non-Muslims. If they seriously cared about their religion and how it is viewed by the rest of the world Muslims would rise up against terror groups instead of applauding when Hamas, Hezbollah and al Queda pull off an attack. They would be horrified at the machine gunning of buses, suicide bombers and general violence done in the name of Islam. But you do not see that.
FOOLS.... I'm sorry to feel the need to say that but, all of us who respond to these type of stories end up being drawn into the media's crap. The acts committed on 9/11 were done by people who had nothing but evil ideas on their minds. The media is so quick to bring up what faith these individuals subscribed to.... does the actions of one Muslim speak for all Muslims? does the actions of one Catholic, Baptist, or Jew speak for all of each? The only ones who are guilty of spreading harm is the media... they should be held accountable for what they spread.
They may hate us, but they love our p0rn.
We win.
USA! USA! USA!
"At the same most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role. They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture."
Would these be educated women who want to preserve the Islamic foundations? Or the mullahs?
Dennis
Remember, all societies have good and bad people in they own, and they are minorities on the bad side with a desire to overcome the majorities of the good one, so we should fix our own before talking about the others thanks.
It's always funny that everyone seems to forget why the Christian Crusades happened ...... in response to the Muslim crusades. That does not make them right but let's state ALL the facts!
They are mad at America for one reason: We are America. They view all non-Muslims as infidels that deserve death. If America suddenly disappeared they would turn their anger at another country. I guess that once every non-Muslim country is gone, they will turn on each other.
If this article taught you anything, you are part of the problem. For me, it merely put my understanding into words. This is why I've pretty much given up on the world. Year after year, after year, after year and so on and so forth the only thing that we humans truly prove is just how stupid we are. 99% of humanity is not responsible for the atrocities that have been committed but we can't seem to ever understand that and instead continue to perpetuate hatred and misunderstandings.
Every side has everyone believing that everyone else is at fault but in truth there are evil people on every side doing evil things to all the other sides. The US with our supporting of evil tyrants, the terrorists who falsely call themselves Muslims, Israel with its unwillingness to work with the Arabs, the other Arab countries unwilling to help the Palestinians and so on and so forth.
Nothing will stop this ever-lasting cycle of hatred, at least, not until the last human takes their last breath will it ever end. We are simply too stupid.
What he meant to say was "The hubris of mankind knows no bounds."
for all who donot belive the prophet muhamed ... muhamed is prophet god sent him to say that there is no god but allah and reavels that allah have no son and jesus is a prophet god created him with no father as he created adam with no mother and father and jesus was eating and drinking and fasting and shopping and going to bath room as any other prophet or human even he forget many things now can god forget any thing and all of this is in bible i mean eating drinking........ /please just think forget all hating and think before the end of the world or before death .finally i want to say that jesus was praying and fasting what?? he worship him self ??/ just think
When are non-violent Muslims going to address these passages in the Quran? Surah 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
There is no god. Sooner you fanatics realize that, the better.
Who cares what the muslims think, they killed Americans yet they still want us to kiss their a**. Not going to happen.
1. Christianity & Islam:
After Prophet I^sa/Jesus was brought back from earth, the true followers of Prophet I^sa were Muslims – they prayed 2 times a day and such. The New Testament was written only centuries after the Prophet I^sa. The Roman Christians wiped out some of original papers after Prophet I^sa and replaced with the New Testament written only centuries after the Prophet I^sa. Also there were killings among Christians – Orthodox/Easter Christians and Roman Christians about saying "Jesus as Son of God" and there were killings among Roman Christians about "inclusion of Holy Ghost/Spirit" in Trinity. Thereby, we, Muslims, always regard Christians as people who went strayed.
2. Muslims dominance & Crusades
At the time of Prophet Muhammad, s.a.w, and 300 years after him, Muslims dominated the Middle East, African, Europe, Central Asia, South Asia and some East Asia. But, as Prophet Muhammad had said, "Muslims themselves diverted from Islam due to the assimilation of Christian philosophy and not being steadfast on the Straight Path – Islam, Muslims went away from Real Creed of Islam, which had stated that there was, is, and will be ONLY one God – Allah and Creator does not resemble creations and creatures and such. Thereby, Christians Crusaders had somehow won over Muslims. But, later on, some Muslims had come back to Real & True Islamic Belief System and countered the crusaders and the Crusades had ended when the Muslims defeated the Christians Crusaders again.
This is the perspectives related to Religions – Islam & Christianity.
2. Nationalist movements in Middle-East and bring the Jews by Britain to Middle East and supporting the Jews with weapons and nukes by America.
It has started since after World War I and continued after World War II dominated by America.
3. Bin Laden and America's going after not only bin Laden, but also, to Islamic nations by telling lies to the whole world publicly.
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My opinion: The western countries won the war on terrorism, but, the time has yet to come that Islam won over the world.
Thank you very much,
+ Soe Kyaw Thu (Burmese name)/Latweef Shen Myint-Thu (to be American name, Insha Allah)/ Yaseen bin Sulaiman (My Arabic name)/ Zhang Ming Lian (My Chinese name)
Certainly these passages in the Quran have an effect:Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
angry at america but dont condone terrorism.. i wouldnt let them on a plane..
and how much and by whom were you paid to do this five year study?
I have many close Muslim friends, and I do not think they are mad at America Mr. Steven. This is ridiculous to say. There are many muslims with different native tongue that respect America, Israel and democrocy. Maybe you could have said extremist mad at America? well in that case, is that a news flash to anyone?
Quran passages: Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
Odd then how every Muslim must support Ron Paul. He's the only guy who wants to bring America back to America to work on America. No other cantidate wants this. Ron Paul 2012. Do it.
Long live the jewish keyboard commando's on the web.
America stood by Bosniak people during the Bosnian Genocide. USA also stood and supported independence of Kosovo. And, most importantly, USA bombed Serbs and Serbia, which brought peace to the Balkans and ended Serbian racist plans to create ethnically pure "Greater Serbia". Not all Muslims are against America. As a matter of the fact, majority of Muslims support America in Europe, but the Middle East is different because of unresolved Palestinian issue. America is complicit in oppression and occupation of Palestinians, because USA supported Israel politically, financially and militarily, and that's simply not right.
This is journalism? Who cares what they think??
HOW GIVES A CRAP! I HAVE NO USE FOR ANYBODY THAT IS ANTI-CHRISTIAN! THE PLAN IS TO TAKE OVER ALL NATIONS AND DESTROY ISREAL!
At least both sides can agree that it's the other sides fault. We are ALL misguided and bias. Every country and religion in the World has their own account's of history and there are NO definite truths.
"Muslims are Mad at America" should be changed to "Muslims are Mad at the World" and the reason is..... They're following a demented 6th century pedophile's beliefs. Duh
Literally it's the "WAR AGAINST TWO BIG RELIGIONS !! – CHRISTIANITY & ISLAM". And it will never end !!
Our country respects all religions. The Christian Old Testament says God commanded the killing of men, women and children in some instances. The New Testament says women should be quiet in church and cover their heads. Today Christians interpret these verses differently and do not consider them to be essential to the faith. When have you seen a Christian woman in church or in public covering her head. Only the Mennonites and Amish consistently do this today. Similarly, not all Muslims take seriously commands to kill infidels, otherwise we would have a lot more warfare in Detroit than seems apparent.
In the Middle East it seems both secular or progressive Muslims and the US foreign policy tries to thwart the implementation of 100% of Sharia Law as being barbaric. Also, Sharia Law has human rights and women's rights issues that are not civilized. Even in Pakistan, they resist the Taliban's application of 100% Sharia Law.
It is also interesting that the Muslims seem to always point back to the Crusades as Europe imposing Christianity on them by the sword, while they forget that the Muslim Moors invaded North Africa and Europe prior to the Crusades invading Spain and Italy imposing their Muslim faith on the conquered by the sword. Their progress north of Spain was however miraculously stopped in 732 AD by one Charles Martel, a king among the Franks, at what is today Tours, France. He emptied the Monasteries of their wealth to build a professional army and this was how he stopped their progress. They retreated to Spain. His grandson was Charlemagne who renewed the Holy Roman Empire. So, there is history of both Muslims and Christians trying to impose their religion on conquered peoples. Spain did this in South America. The English did this with the Native Americans. Sometime by the sword and sometimes by witness and persuasion.
I would say the West resists the barbaric elements of Sharia Law and the Muslims discrimination against other religions. Some of them are intolerant of Christians and Hindus. And of course, we defend ourselves against direct attacks from outside or inside.
Perhaps Americans are wary of a religion that strongly encourages adoption yet bans conversion? Permanence is a distasteful attribute at best.
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What many in the Muslim world may not understand is that most of the US (maybe over 80 %) has no clue what is going on outside its borders unless it involves some television show. These people do not care either. The anger of the Muslim world in general will do it no good because anger just causes reactive anger from he who is hated. So the people who recognize the anger are not likely to be humble in the face of Islamic outrage. In fact it may cause many more problems in the end for the Muslim world.
Sadly, Americans do not like being awakened from their state of blissful ignorance, and any attempts from the outraged Muslims to do so may result in an awful and horrible retaliation. If someone manages to truly anger more than 50% of this country, there is a strong chance that wherever the violence came from will be inhabitable for centuries. Just like we are all warned not to wake a sleepwalker, do not mess with the blissfully ignorant in this country because it will cause many bad reactions. Overall only the smallest percentage of this country (maybe 5%) will ever care what other think of us.
I'm very sympathetic to Muslims and am offended by characterizations of them as terrorist. This was a good article and I can understand their point of view. However, they need to understand that as long as there are headlines like "Child Bride in Yemen Bleeds to Death: A 13-year-old in an arranged marriage bleeds to death four days after her wedding" on the same page as stories like this, that yes, Americans will view their religion as backwards and misogynistic. They need to change the way they treat women. Muslim leaders need to strongly speak out for women's basic human rights. They need to once again (as they once were) get in the forefront of respect for women.
Just look at hijackings in the past 30 yrs @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_hijackings
Bosniaks are grateful to the United States for helping stop the Bosnian Genocide (1992-95).
See here: http://bosniangenocide.wordpress.com
But, we will also not forget that you placed arms embargo on our people and prevented us from defending ourself until the end of 1995, when you finally stepped in.
All muslims aren't terrorists.
But all terrorists are muslims.
Tim McVeigh. The Irish Republican Army (IRA). Pol Pot. You are a fool, O-out-in-12. Terror is a tactic that evil people have used for a long time, in many places.
mmmmm.....
Billions of dollar wasted on fighting Invisible enemy and to make it worst one religion just as idiotic as the other is claiming superiority on being the most righteous.
People are people all over the world,anyone will eventually rebel against oppression,US policy in the whole region is causing the bad feelings.Arab did not hate American until the forceful creation of Isreal,the hate will die out if we solve the Palestinian issue.Millions of people are living in apartheid condition funded most by funds and military power of the US,and we wonder why they hate us.
I hear some idiots saying the Muslim should move to the middle East,we need them more than they need us,simply put they want us out of their region and let them control their life how they see best.
Religion is the worst thing that ever happen to humanity and I hope it will one day be eradicated.
Attention all know-it-alls: According to Wikipedia, Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim.
The Muslims are right, I will do everything I can to undermine Islam. I will also do everything I can to undermine Christianity. I will also do everything I can to undermine Judaism. All three religions have caused more death and destruction than any other cause in the history of man. I grew up as a Fundamentalist Christian and I can attest that Fundamentalism of any sort is dangerous and should be stamped out.
I welcome any religion that minds their own business and leaves me alone. I welcome any religion that doesn't bother other people. I welcome any religion of peace. But the three I have mentioned have proven that are religions of death and destruction.
Which countries practice the closest Sharia to the Koran? I would venture to guess that it is the Taliban and the Saudi religious conglomeration, including the Pakastani madrasas. So, why again should we make nice with those who espouse it? There were/are some European countries and years where Mohammed is the #1 name. They overpopulate in Gaza and then complain that their are no jobs and that somehow all of Palestine should be an open vote because they now outnumber the Jews.
Kidnappers and killers in the Phillipines, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Pakistan; 16/19 of the hijackers were Saudi; Madrid attacks, Mumbai attacks, African embassy bombings.
Worthless religion all of it.
Does Islamic terrorism exist? yes, definitely: every day there is a guy killing "infidels" in the name of God, and when not beating women.
However, Does Christian Terrorism exist? also a definite yes:
In England, 27 March 2011: Óglaigh na hÉireann (Irish Republican Army, also a Terrorist group) claimed responsibility for planting a car bomb in Derry.
24–27 December 2008, when the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA, CHRISTIAN TERRORIST GROUP), a Ugandan rebel group, attacked several villages in Haut-Uele Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo.
22 July 2011, Norway: Anders Behring Breivik used a car bomb to kill 8 people and then went to Utøya to kill over 50 people. total number 153.
Zakaria is a muslim.
All i needed to learn about Islam I learned on 9/11.
Make sure ya stretch those creamy hamstrings...
mmmmmmm....
@Cogito: Zakaria is a Muslim.
As far as I'm concerned when I don't agree with something- I come up with a way to change it, or remove myself from the situation. Changing it doesn't mean promoting the death of other cultures and oppressing women. To the uninformed who believe that moderate to extremist Muslims don't dehumanize women- you need to get some world experience and then come back and talk to me. As an American I don't care if you hate us, typical hypocritical Muslim, or as we say in America "Sunday Christians."
America needs to accommodate rising Muslim population, but foremost - now that America is unemployed and poor - US must show respect to Muslim countries.
LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED
This is a very interesting article, enlightening. Sure, one can argue some of the points but it captures the spirit of the conflict. The conflict is a manifestation of that internal conflict. Ultimately, perhaps the conflict is a human one–the struggle between this world and the next. thank you to this author.
God help us...
Was the United States government complicit in the Bosnian Genocide (1992-95)? By not vetoing the UN from imposing the arms embargo on Bosnia to not using NATO power to the full potential to stop the Serbian terrorists' siege of Sarajevo and the 1995 Srebrenica massacre - was America complicit in the Genocide in Bosnia? What is your opinion?
I wrote an article back in the days "The Help That Mattered" in reference to the USA helping Bosniak people when they needed it most - that is, during the Genocide in Bosnia. Google it. Thank you. And please don't forget the Bosnian Genocide (1992-95).
Muslims are not mad at America but in fact certain religous groups in America try very hard to harm Islam in any ways they can. however they never succeded and this hatred encourage Americans to know and learn the truth about the Islam and muslims. As muslims I love America more than American love America.
I'm a liberal American, I want to be opened minded and accepting Islam and anyone wanting to live by traditional Islamic values, but it's extremely difficult for me to get past the way women are treated in these societies. The point I'm left with in the article is that we should stay out of their business and the world would be a better place, but unfortunately this won't happen until our dependency on oil is broken, which could take another century or more.
I hope for world peace as much as the next person, but this seems like an inevitable (and messy) fight that the Arab world is destined to lose, or at least come out on the short end of.
Muslims should go home and turn their homeland into what they want it to be instead of coming here trying to turn America into what they want America to be.
And Sara, you should go and find a job, instead of hating Muslims and collecting food coupons in the United States.
Do American people still remember the 1992-95 Bosnian Genocide? Have we forgotten concentration camps in Bosnia, siege of Sarajevo, Srebrenica massacre, Serbian campaign of "ethnic cleansing"... Genocide in Bosnia?
Please visit http://bosniangenocide.wordpress.com and join the debate.
I don't understand why some people don't like to learn how to live with each other! There is place on earth for every one and there is love in everyone heart. I was borne in Iraq, educated in the state and live in Toronto. I love the US and visit it four or five times a year; sometimes they keep me in the boarder 2 hours and sometimes only five minutes; I accept both cases. I love American football and the Steelers, I love Florida State Noles, and I visit McDonald at least four times a week. I am a Muslim and have no problem with non-Muslims people; in fact 90% of my friends are not Muslims. I think the only thing we need to learn how to live with each other and to accept each other.
I'm with you my friend and like your choice of teams, people just need to tone down the rhetoric and its just gonna take time.
Wrong head lines . Why Paki are mad at America ?
Does CNN stand for CAIR News Network? Why are they constantly shilling for these hate-filled, violent people?
If you're a muslim and you're mad at America, you have options: leave if you live here, don't come here if you don't, or off yourself. Either way you choose, America will be better off without you.
One of the underlying points of the article is that the West is seen as argogant and treat Muslims as if they were somehow backward. They want to be 'left alone'; but when in our country, with it's freedoms and tolerance, someone uses comedy to make a point about their culture, they are threatened, harrassaed, and sometimes even killed (I am thinking of a cartoonist in Denmark). If they want to be left alone, start by leaving us alone.
Suck it up and get over it! I'm tired of these perpetually irate people.
Maybe if EVERYONE could stay frosty for a few moments we can get past this insanity and move on to a more peaceful place in time.
Why Paki hate America ??? Because they want and love $$$$$$$
@Alex: Christians are Catholics, (the first ones!) not separate from them as your statement indicates. In fact, all Protestant branches are a broken from Catholicism, which means (universal) and it is the first proclaimed teachings directly from the Apostles as instructed by Jesus; this is a historical fact and you can find it anywhere in a history of Christianity book!!! That's why the Vatican protects our teachings, traditions, and customs so thoroughly; we don't break into a new religion every time some one in the congregation doesn't agree with a teaching. That's why you can go anywhere in the world to a Mass, and it will be the same service (no matter the language!)
What happened during 9/11 was a terrible thing, and Americans are still grieving from it. Psychologically I think since the Middle East is so far away, and what happened was so painful, a lot of people just lumped all "Muslims" as being hateful in order to have a scapegoat from that awful nightmare. Other Muslims who are peaceful and just, unfortunately, to many Americans, were guilty by association, (and this was not the right thing to think; especially from American Chrisitans). I do believe there are good people and bad people no matter what their religion. And there are facets about Islam that Christians (no matter if they are ultra-conservative or progressive) will never understand, but do we have to? Both must come to a point to co-exist and "agree to disagree" if we want less violence and more peace in this world.
Muslims have no desire to co-exist; their goal is to dominate. Islam is a plague; to view it as anything else is naive and ignorant.
...what's more important here is that most Americans are still mad at Muslims, despite you commies at CNN.
What muslims? I thought most people in the world have reasons to be mad at america and what it stood for over the last several decades. The US has talked about freedom and democracy, and the only thing they have done is to prop up and support dictators all over the world for their own economic and political gain. They have supplied arms while talking peace. All these are coming back home to roost now. Even the economy seems so gloomy. It is going to be a downward slide for the rest of the century for america.
2000 INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED ON 9/11.
BUT, HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT MUSLIM CIVILIANS WERE KILLED BY AMERICAN WEAPONS?
DO AMERICANS FEEL SORRY FOR MUSLIM CHILDREN AND MUSLIM CIVILIANS? IF NOT, THEN WHY NOT?
IF NOT, WHY DO YOU EXPECT US TO FEEL SORRY FOR YOU?
answer to line 1....not enough it looks like
sorry I mean line 2
Then why should Muslims be required to fell sorry for American losses?
It's been 10 years since 9/11. You speak of 9/11 as it was the Holocaust.
What the f is wrong with you? You slaughtered 100 times more Muslims. Americans should commemorate Muslim deaths on 9/11 and change their foreign policy.
How many Muslims are killed every day by other Muslims? How many terror attacks happen in Iraq every day that are carried out by Muslims? How many women are burned by acid every day in Pakistan? How many child brides die having babies in Yemen? How many Muslim kids go without food in Africa every day? How many Muslim children die due to malnutrition while warlords keep aid from them? Before you judge us Americans who gave millions of our own money to aid Africa where the food rotted in warehouses because of infighting among clans, judge yourselves. Guess what, Muslim, you fail. So go take care of your own problems before blaming the US. When all of your Muslim children are fed, and clothed, and educated, then come and blame America for your problems. Until then, judge yourself.
I HATE MUSLIMS....ALL OF THEM
Please continue to hate us.
THE MORE YOU HATE US, THE STRONGER WE GET.
Hey diaper remnant, one at a time you will all end up with lead poisoning. THANK THE REAL GOD FOR SEALS.
islam = killing kult
mad ??? wait till we start putting wal marts in mecca and medina !!!
Please don't forget the Bosnian Genocide (1992-95).
Genocide in Bosnia must not be forgotten.
Thank you.
Here are some verses from the Quran: Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
If we don't stop the infiltration of our society by this evil religion now, and allow it to take hold here, we are fools. The government can't do it; it has to be a grass-roots movement.
I love how the liberal news media eats up the Muslim "we are the victims here" crap. They do this constantly to mask their moves. Muslims have attacked Israel 6 times since the nation was re-created in the late 1940's. Yet they always blame Israel for being the aggressors.
You people should really take a look at the teachings of Mohammed, the radical Muslims are not making this jihad crap up, they are following their holy book.
Why do I give a frog's watertight azz if and why they're mad?
PLEASE CONTINUE TO HATE US.
YOUR HATRED ONLY MAKES US STRONGER.
THANK YOU FOR HATING US, PLEASE DO SO MORE OFTEN.
LOL
HAHAHAHA
All of you have it WRONG!
The media is corrupt and full of a bunch of trash–this is a well known FACT. And yet, people still believe what the media says.
Many of you keep siting verses from the Holy Qur'an without even knowing the TRUTH and HISTORY behind these verses. And WHY, HOW and WHEN they were revealed. A non-muslim can never understand the true meaning of the Qur'an, because only a true believer with a just heart can fully understand the beauty and meaning it holds. The Qur'an is the WORD OF GOD. And besides, all of you who claim to have read the Qur'an – and read it in ENGLISH – are wrong. The english translations of the Qur'an can not hold the same meaning as in Arabic. The Holy Qur'an was sent to humanity in Arabic, thus it can only be fully understood in that language. It's the word of Allah, the All-Mighty. English translations are MAN'S translation and can hold errors.
The frequently brought up verses from the Qur'an – most commonly Sura 9 Verse 5 (Sura 9:5) – are used by many people who claim "that the Qur'an says to kill the non-believers". And yet AGAIN, you all don't even know the HISTORY behind these verses! Different suras of the Holy Book were sent to Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) during different times of the advent of Islam. The many verses saying to kill off the non-believers was referring to THE NON-BELIVING ENIEMES OF ISLAM AT THE SPECIFIC TIME THAT THIS SURA WAS REVEALED!
Here is the history...
A peace treaty was made between the followers of Muhammed (pbuh) and the still strong Idol-Worshippers of Arabia at the time. Yet, even with their word, the enemies of Islam came in the dark of night and slaughtered many Muslims; thus breaking their word. The Muslims, angered by the heartless act awaited God's word for justice to be brought upon the lying enemies. Allah, the All-Mighty, then revealed the suras on what to do with the enemy.
These verses still refer to that time. Al-Qaeda clearly knows that history and yet still uses it as an excuse for their violence because they know many people don't know about the time it was revealed. And because they don't know, they accept it as a fact. Even the media doesn't do its research and frequently says it to be true.
I hope this opens your eyes. ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE. (Although another common misunderstanding is that Islam means "peace", when it actually means: "peaceful submission to the will of God".)
As a Muslim, I do not appreciate the many rude comments I'm reading about my belief. If any of you have an ounce of respect for others, you should show it. Because of the many negative views on my people, we cannot help but be angry. How would YOU feel if you felt your religion was being attacked? My love for my religion is my heart. Please be more sensitive to how us Muslims are feeling.
~ I LOVE ALLAH
Thank you.
Some passages from the Quran: Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
The seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Islam is such a backwater of the modern world that America quite literally could care less except for needing to bargain for & purchase it's oil. The only thing that stirs us into action is the sort of childish temper tantrums,like 911, that force us to act in self defense. If Islam truly wants to be left alone to back sink into the Middle Ages I would suggest that it not stir up the hornet's nest. We don't pay any attention to Islam because it is a useless & violent child. Try growing up & approaching the west as fellow adults. As for this foolishness about Muslim people welcoming the jackboot of fascist theocracy on their necks; Has anyone thought to ask the people about this? (Out of hearing range of the local power mad imam of course.)
It appears that a majority of Muslims cannot or will not assimilate into the culture of the western country the reside in. I have no use for people like that. They can take their Sharia law and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Religion itself is the problem. People should be free to be what/who they want to be and not governed by religious rules. I'm not against Islam, I'm against religion all together!
Muslims are mad at America because Americans are not Muslim and Israel exists. Muslims need Bible education from to be civil. Secularism is de-spi-cable to them.
Perhaps we can get Obama to make yet another apology tour of the Moslem lands to assuage our collective guilt and beg for the forgiveness of the Imams.
Sorry, Kull, America has bled enough and suffered enough at the hands of the butchers. NO MORE! If they want to be seen as anything more than medieval thugs, then let them stop behaving as such.
America is a country of immigrants. Immigrants make it America. There is no Supreme Race! Get that into your head! We all need to get along! We are all just human beings tiny as a sand in this vast universe. Learn not to hate on another because it is all a waste. Hatred breeds hate and all for really what? Nothing! You will still grow old and die! Either you die knowing you were a good man or an evil man full of hate! Be happy and let humanity run it's course like the donisaurs because there will be an end and you cannot wait until then to realise we are nothing but a spek of sand in this universe.
To say that America is a country of immigrants is just wrong. It is a country of descendents of immigrants. It is a country that is taking in more and more people without building additional infrastructure to accommodate them. We should not be taking in Muslim immigrants who, from experience, are much more inclined to hate America. We really should not be taking in more immigrants in any significant numbers unless we are prepared to build more infrastructure. If we do, our cities are just going to keep getting more and more crowded.
Don't worry Muslims ... Americans are still mad at you, too.
"As Americans we may believe that it is not possible to blend such a form of religiosity and liberal values."
The first thing this writer needs to understand that you cannot have liberty with out God! This is a right given buy God!
The second thing is all one has to do is except that God comes first just as the pledge one nation under God.
The third thing is as long as you have people that don't believe that there is no Good Or Evil No God or Devil then these people cannot have sound judgements. ( And these people are descending and making your laws.)
If you don't believe In a higher power this means you think your at the top of the food change, And how big headed is that! Little man! No respect for life self and others and no one to keep you in line!
Take your God and relegion and shove it. It is the most destructive avenue man has ever come up with.
Sounds like there's a lot of Islamophobia on this comments page. Check out this website: http://www.whyislam.org
Some people are mad at almost everyone, almost all the time. I don't know if it's a genetic or a social phenomenon. I only know it's true.
"Muslims have much they do not like about how America treats them. But there is one thing that is the most fundamental: their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam – a perception held by overwhelming majorities."
Yes, most of it because propaganda by Media and Radicals group such as Hizbut Tahrir International in Indonesia.
Why haven't we tried electroshock therapy on all you racists?
How does my dick taste?
If muslims don't like Americans, leave! We'll have a party! muslims are evil and I would never trust any of them!
It doesn't matter if they are justified in being angry at America. We should stop letting more Muslims come here because we are going to do things that anger them. Where in the world is there a Muslim minority that is content with the ruling culture? There is not, and there is not going to be. We need to shut the door to them and keep their problems out of our societies.
Who cares! I know I don't.
next article: "Who Really Gives a Rat's Ass if Muslims Are Still Mad at America?"
Reading the comments,i realise How ARROGANT,FILTHY MINDED,ROUGH,RUDE Americans are!!!!!!! First of all you don't even want to admit that your war-mongering nation is the root cause there are problems in the world.......You invaded Vietnam and showered it's innocent population with Agent Orange and killed Millions in Cambodia too.......you killed 6,00,000 in Nicaragua.......you killed and starve millions in Korea even today.......you support Israel all the times and veto any resoultion against them,you rejoice when Palestinian houses are demolished and White Phosphorus is thrown at them by Israelis........You attack and Invade countries on false pretexts and YOU STILL THINK "WHY THEY HATE US?" What a bunch of hypocrites you are!!!!!!!!! And you target Islam!!!! where was this so-called Terrorism before you rascals dumped the Zionists onto the Middle east! First u massacred them in their millions and then you dumped them on Muslims and when Muslims fought back u rascals attack and demonize Muslims.............Get rid of your Hypocrisy o Americans! You have damaged the relations between Muslims and yourselevs and u yourselves are responsible for that..........9/11 was a manifestation of anger at your backstabbing and betrayal on Palestine!
I am willing to be you live in America and feel that way. You are welcome to leave, if you do live here. No one is begging you to stay. But please, while you are feeling so self righteous about American massacres, remember how many cities Mohammed attacked, and how many people were beheaded in the name of Islam, during Mohammed's time and now. Don't blame the west for Islam's problems. Please try to fix your own problems in your own countries and stop asking for our aid.
All I can say is...i don't care what religion you are, what color you are...if you live in America and support hatred for it...then just get the hell out..no one here wants you anyway.
"their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam"
What is Islam doing to address the perception that Islam is trying to undermine the U.S.A?
1,000 years ago the West & Islam where equal in culture both reflecting very proud people. Over the centuries both cultures took different paths. Islam as a socieity has staggnated, but rather than look inward to find answers its much eaiser to blame the "west". If Islam does not do some true sole searching, and have real leaders step-up and stuff out this radical fundamentalism plague, their society will contine a decay -that at somepoint will be irrecoveralble dooming thier people to centuries of poverty and violence while the rest of the world including current 3rd world countires will move on.....
Who cares what any group of people that believe in ancient fairy tales and are so full of themselves that they think the whole world has to be like them thinks?Do us all a favor and keep your religious beliefs to yourselves. ( christians, jews, muslims and everyone else included)
I firmly believe that true Muslims, though they may be friendly, good citizens, still at their heart want to tear down Christian nations – which the USA and Canada were at one time... the remnants are still there. Beware – Islam will not take over the USA by terrorism or force, but by political dominance and lulling the American people into a false sense of security. Suddenly we will turn around and our once Christian nation will be governed by Muslim law.
Religion always causes problems.. everyone should mind their own business and who cares if people disagree with you. it is just annoying how even years and years ago there has always been problems. think whatever you want..
I dont think we , Muslims, have setup good examples. Bashing is pretty much fair.... if you see things from neutral perspective. I do defend mainstream /Average Joe Muslims but overall as community we never stood up and denounced religious extremism so its obvious people are going to speak against us. We pretty much earned it.
And we should care that their still mad?
Most Americans are not only ignorant of Islam and other religions and cultures, but of their own government's behavior and policies. The number of Americans who actually believe that the US fights in the world for freedom, justice, and democracy is simply mind-boggling. In reality, of course, the Muslims who talked to the author of this article are 100% correct in their assessment of this country: US policies and wars in the Middle East are carried out for the financial and political benefit of the US alone, regardless of the consequences to the freedom and rights of the people who live there.
Oh wow I give you credit for writing such things like you are ashamed of "our government". Sorry but the more I learn about Islam, the less I like. In fact, I know too much.
This article whitewashes the truth by skirting the real issue: The American taxpayer foots the bill for Israel to steal land from Muslims and Christians in palestine. Our tax dollars pays to maintain the largest concentration camp in history in tiny Gaza.
We should not be surprised that the oppressed people do not like us.
Quran passages to look up on-line if you'd like. Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
u summed it short and very right indeed.
As soon as the Jihadists get nuclear weaponry it's all over. It's only a matter of time.
sorry.....i just dont have a lot of respect for belife system whose most well know members put bombs on school buses
Muslims dont hate America, I dont know why people believe all the bs their told, I love how whatever is fed on the media the public believes. Everyone who believes what they read on these sites is ignorant, its not the truth.
Passages from the Quran: Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
Religion is cancer. All religion.
as soon as the Jihadist Islamists obtain nuclear weaponry it's all over. It's only a matter of time.
Dear CNN, Please stop trying to make us care about what Muslims think. I don't want to delve further into the Muslim religion, or their anger at America. If they are so angry at America they can go back to the Middle East. If they are so angry at America they can stop trying to get green cards. And if they are so angry at America they can stop asking for our aid. Your anger seems to be nothing more than hypocrisy. Or maybe even jealousy.
I'm tired of writers ignoring the violent past of jihad. I could care less that Muslims hate us, I have a very low opinion of Muslims since 9/11 forced me to learn the history of Islam. The non-Islamic world needs to rise up and demand that major changes come about in Islam, either that or to wipe Islam off the face of the earth.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
On the website, Ali Sina has issued a standing challenge that he will remove the FFI website if proven wrong on a number of issues.
Are you a muslims? Do you dare enough to take this challenge? this is your changes to have a opportunity to fight on jihad by word!
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
On the website, Ali Sina has issued a standing challenge that he will remove the FFI website if proven wrong on a number of issues.
Are you a muslims? Do you dare enough to take this challenge? this is your changes to have a opportunity to fight on jihad by word!
Ali Sina claims to have received death threats from Muslims- two imams in India have offered a reward of USD 20,000 (or 1 million Rupees) for anyone who kills Sina.[12][13] The site itself has been hacked and subject to DDOS attacks several times since the website opened 12 years ago, most recently in January 2010.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
Nuke the site from orbit....its the only way to be sure.
I am weary of the bowing down to the Muslim world and I just don't care at all if they are mad at us. Their anger is based on misperceptions and their hypocrisy is shown in the fact that they continue to take aid from us all the while hating us. I am one who believes we should have attacked Iran and burned it black when they took our embassy hostage and served notice forever on the Muslim world that we will not tolerate their attacks on us. 9/11 likely would never have happened if we had responded properly to begin with.
Hey Daniel Allen,
GEE I wonder why the Palestinians are so angry? Let's see, if I knocked on your door, asked to come in and be your roomate, then produced a letter from some big shot saying I now had the right to make the shared apartment mine, and mde you sleep under the stairs, and treated you like garbage, all the while receiving money and supplies from the big shot... how would you react? People don't react like the palestinians are doing just for the fun of it... such things happen because of genuine grievances. And America is disliked by a lot of muslims because they rightfully see us as the big shot who is enabling Israel to bully and dehumanize the palestinians with impunity.
Of course they hate us. They have Al-Jazerra spewing there anti-Israel anti American BS all the time over the air. Many teach there kids to hate America. If we wanted to destroy there culture and religion then it would of been done awhile ago. I cannot begin to tell you how many times myself and the Marines in my unit were shot at from Mosques and we couldn't return fire because of the exact reason this article addresses.
This cancer of Islam is taking over the world and is now spreading west. Western countries have lost their balls and are too politically correct to stop the spread of this decease. If you speak the truth you may be sued or attacked by muslims or by some PC obsessed hippies.
I don't really care why muslims are mad at me. I'm not terribly fond of them, either.
It seems to me that this war of civilizations is leaving a lot more ruin and blood in their region than in ours. Let them fight to the end, and we'll see whose end it is.
Al-Qaeda, Jemaah Islamiyah, Taliban, Hezbollah These are Islamic Terrorist
Breivik, Lord Resistance Army, Ku Klux Klan, Ireland Resistance Army These are Christian Terrorist
the only thing in common with these people is that their unofficial motto is "you either are with us or agaisnt us"
They might be mad for being blamed for the 9/11 attacks when the US government and Israeli Mossad actually carried out the attacks.
Who cares what Muslims think. I sure don't. they are only out to destroy this country(USA). And you the media is allowing it to be done by promoting thier and some of this countries leaders agenda.
I am certain that my comment will not be published, and if thats the case then you who deny me my input, Shame on you.
I wish the US outlawed all religions and deported all muslims out of this country. Muslims are like a slow spreading cancer which is killing America and the west
Of course... it's always the wests fault and primarily Christians faults. If I remember something about history it seems to me that the Persian Empire attempted to bring about a Caliphate in Europe & other regions on a couple of occassions. Do you hear the Europeans blaming them for something that happened a hundreds of years ago. NO.
The West has not held them back. Sharia Law has in principle held societies back. If it were not for the Persian Empire turning around, freedom in the west may have been wiped out and society may be totally different now. Freedom is derived through the belief of inalienable rights given by a Divine Power. That is why western societies have flourished to a greater extent. Individual rights!
Radical Islam still wants to create a Caliphate
Guess what I truthfully do not care what Muslims think about America. What I do care about is that they end up paying a million times over for anything they do to hurt our citizens or harm America. We are radical/fundamental Islam's natural enemy. We stand for freedom, individuality, and self determination. Our ideals poison their ability to repress people it is only natural that they should hate us. Let them hate us. Their opinion is of no consequence to me. At the end of they day look at their countries and look at the west, you tell me what system works better?
Leave them be and let them live their lives as they wish but if they attack wipe them from the face of the earth, including any of their governments that involve themselves in aiding the attackers. Be afraid Pakistan your day will come soon enough.
They hate us because of who we are. It is long past time that they got over it.
Muslims are mostly brainwashed idiots from some 3rd world dump. I will start a foundation to pay for your one way tickets!!! I would never consider you an American if you belong to this giant cult even if you were born here you don't belong here.
screw islam and screw muslims. The world would be a bettereplace without them.
I don't particularly care why they are mad at us. We can continue mowing them down by the tens of thousands till they get over it or there are none left... I don't particularly care which happens first.
The killing of millions of muslims destroyed America forever.
Killing millions of Muslims destroyed whats left in this country. This time I don't see a recovery.
This cancer called Islam is taking over the world and is now spreading west. Western countries have lost their balls and are too politically correct to stop the spread of this decease. If you speak the truth you may be sued or attacked by muslims or by some PC obsessed hippies. There is not a single example on the planet where people live free in an Muslim country.
Having lived in a "moderate" muslim country for two decades and during 9/11 it was my experience that the great majority of muslims were and still are well pleased that the USA was attacked. That they would not do it themselves is of no matter. They give verbal, political and financial support that is sub rosa or at least minimal. but on a second look (living amongst muslims) there is a viable and strong support for any action against we infidels that requires no present reason or cause. The reasons and causation have been built in and believed and practiced for the last 1400 years. Now just what is that term that makes it just fine to lie to we infidels?
what a load of cr_ _. any author that uses the word "narrative" 10 times in 2 paragraphs doesn't understand what the word means, and actually, the way mr. kull has used it, it doesn't mean anything. I think his article suggests we should live in the past and let radical islamist parties rule in muslim countries throughout the world, so that they can prove how tolerant (not) of democracy and women's rights they actuallly are. very poorly written article, is this guy paid to write this stuff? sorry I have to go, i have to work on my "out of work narrative".
To the all the haters, there're a lots of American that work and live in the muslim world. They're treated well with no discrimination. Don't be hostile and a bigget to others. Of course there're some who are fueling this animosity by using the raw emotion.
Hate anger and intolerance lead to ruin.
Hey, I didn't have time to read the article. Who are the 3 angry looking Jews in the picture? Wait.....what? No way!
Muslims are still mad The Sun sets in the West......
BD
Please tell me who the three Israelis are the in the picture. They looked ticked. I didn't have time to read to article. I was too busy eating a pork sandwich.
A greasy one, served in an ashtray.
If you were a woman-stoning neanderthal, wouldn't you be mad at America where women have equal rights?
Islam is the enemy of all civilized people. We going to have to fight them and all of the liberal panzies here in the US who don't realize this or the fact that treason IS punishable ......
Get real Muslims hate anyone who doesn't believe as they do and we are stupid for letting then loose in this country after all the trouble they have caused in European countries. We need to just band all religion and then see what all the mad hatters in the world come up with for controlling the masses. All religion does is cause trouble.
oh well i love PORK and i eat pork!
The conspiracy stuff is always interesting until you get the disappointing truth. It's like when I was a kid and my dad took me the the Dallas Book Repository. I'd seen all the shows about the Kennedy assasination are was totally fired up. He took me up to the window to look out, and asked me, "well what do you think son?" I looked down, got my bearings , and the whole fantasy came tumbling down. "Heck, I could make that shot dad." Dad says "exactly son". Occams razor still is the best way to size these things up. If it sounds like something could only occur if magic has been let loose in the world, then it's probably BS. Those murderers did the following: 1. Highjacked planes fully loaded with jet fuel. 2. Accelerated them to top speed in order to provide the maximum shock to the structures. 3. Killed thousands of people. 4. Did not go to Heaven.
Stop trying to get out of what your people did. It happened. Don't let it happen again.
Peaceful co-existence with Islam is very difficult, somewhat akin to peaceful co-existence with the Borg on Star Trek. They both start from the position: "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated." That is the issue at the heart of the problem. Islam does not permit freedom of belief, but is fundamentally coercive towards individuals in the regions where it has power.
I don't care about your stupid religion Muslim or Christian, Jewish or anything else. Practice your religion and leave me alone, how about that? If you kill in your religion's name, you are just a plain old murderer. I don't want or care to understand your motives. I'm sick of all of you. And if you don't like America, get on an airplane and GO HOME.
A cruise missile has a 1000Ib warhead. It can totally destroy an area. The planes that hit the towers were more powerful and the atomized fuel turned into a fuel/air bomb. Something people call the "poor mans nuke" Look it up weapons nerds.
wait, they hate us? what a croc!
GO AWAY! Leave our country be as we cannot tolerate having to assimilate to those who hate Christians, Americans and tolerate prayer time and mega mosque's. I am tired of giving our tax dollars (501(c)(3) $$ for the Muslim Religion. For the most part it is like a cult and barbarians at that for the deep seeded hatred towards American's. Sharia Law is not even an option here. So forget about living here in the U.S.A and breeding hatred for this GREAT COUNTRY. As American's we are giving and kind and when asked to protect those who hate us, like the Saudis and Kuwait it's hard to believe we even go to the middle east...get your education here and just go back and see how free you are. Why not go back to where you came from and change your own country, to make it habitable for women, children and allow freedoms not known by Sharia Law. STOP MINDLESS KILLINGS...MARTYR MY ASS. It's all brainwashing, to kill so many of your own, WHY?
This story is just makes me sick. Bring our Military home, NOW! Ramp up our security for our great country. Let the ones, the men, who wear dresses raise a finger to make change, that is if they want it but don't try to change the United States of America.
They are just hateful and mean...
The article is out of the mind of a person living on another planet. Have there been and are there policies pushed by the US that are wrong? The answer is yes, the US blind loyalty to Israel is absolutely wrong. But to say that the US is anti-Muslim because of the nonsectarian nature of its society. To say that the US culture is anti-Muslim because its openness of it culture. This is absurd, Christians and Jews could say the same thing. Unlike other countries (even western countries) there is not state religion. This is a good thing because of the multicultural makeup of its population. Muslims in the US have been quite successful unlike in Europe where Muslims are more isolated. If Muslims are angry at the US because it does not follow or ascribe to a specific set of religious rules then what about all those Muslims of various sects that kill each other on a regular basis because, within the Muslim religion, those rules and views are different? If this person is right then the Muslim community needs to out of the 14th century and join the 21st. They need to follow their religion, however they see fit, and leave the US and the world to follow or not follow their own religions. The time of stoning someone because of how they lead their lives is long gone.
Aside from the need to alter our lousy foreign policy I'm not sure I care "why Muslims hate America". American, Middle Eastern, whatever...we all have issues of our own to deal with, so I'd rather deal with that than worry about someone else's problems for them.
sorry, but who cares if they are mad at america, screw them, they can blow up in rage all they want but we are going to stay in tact and not bend over for their anger, No American will allow them to conquer USA, I sure as hell won't let it stand for it.
The author himself agrees most of muslims, liberal or otherwise believe that 'that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion'. What a duplicity !! .They want to convert others by hook or crook or by brute force and then put a ban of moving away from islam. This hypocricy has no place in this world.
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Cry me a river, Muslims.
No one ever said America was an easy place to live. On a DAILY basis, you have to deal with people who think differently than you, who stand directly against the things you stand for, and are permitted by law to say whatever they want.
I don't care whether these overly sensitive Muslims are upset with the United States. I don't care if they don't like our policies. I don't care if they don't like our modern lifestyle, which runs in direct opposition to the Muslim culture. They are perfectly free to go elsewhere and be as backwards as they want. If they can't hack it here, and join the real world, GTFO.
I believe that the U.S. does get involved more than it should in Middle Eastern affairs. And while I think many believe that our political posturing in the area is a matter of the U.S. attempting to "spread democracy and freedom" (even though many Muslims obviously see this a bit differently) I find it a bit difficult to truly believe it.
Our desire to "spread democracy and freedom" by influencing the region seems to have its goal rooted much more in economics than anything else. "Stabilizing" the region is simply our "attempt" to position ourselves in such a way as to secure oil and protect our American interests.
I can honestly say that I do not know much about the subject, but at least from this article, it seems as if the Muslims want to adapt a few Western cultural influences while still generally be left alone and in their own little bubble, safe from largely liberal ideas and allow their region to run their lives.
In and of itself, it does not seem like an unreasonable desire. It is their country and those people should be permitted to live how they wish to live. I think the only issue is that living that way, while preserving their culture, perhaps inadvertently attempts to almost "hide" and "ignore" the very forward momentum of rapid globalization. With how our world is now so intertwined and dependent on each other, I can honestly say that I understand the selfish goals of the U.S. for wanting to "attempt" to stabilize the region and I understand our alliance with Israel given the positioning it provides. I am not claiming that handling our foreign policies in this way is the best way to do it, but I understand it just as much as I do the Muslim's point of view. But, I honestly think that that type of positioning is only going to continue as the world's demand for energy continues to skyrocket.
It really seems like a fine line. We want leaders in power in the Middle East who best embrace more liberal ideas because that is, at least compared to Sharia, what the U.S. is all about. As the most powerful nation in the world, it seems only natural that we would use our resources (alliances, money, military power, etc.) to help make sure that the leaders who control the countries who have the energy resources we desire, are as stable and as friendly to us, as possible.
Given the resources that they hold, while the Muslim request to have the U.S. not meddle in Middle Eastern affairs almost seems unrealistic, even if it is understandable.
I think the last paragraph of this article really summed up how I am feeling, by basically saying that perhaps in the future, Muslims may come to embrace more liberal positions because the interaction of a global market almost is starting to require it in order to be peaceful. But, for that to ever happen, we would first need to pull away for them to come to that realization on their own. How powerful is that? I mean, maybe they never will come to that realization and maybe it will ultimately increase tensions as time goes on. I don't know. It's just fascinating to me how energy resources can be the cause for so much hatred and misunderstanding and just, everything.
I loved reading this article, it really provided some insight and understanding.
Passages in the Quran you can look up on-line. You decide for yourselves what Islam teaches. Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
America never can and never will be the cheerleader for a theocratic state.
How dare you tell us why muslims are mad at America. Islam is a disease, and so is liberalism for shoving this down your throats.
@P8TRI0t, know what Paul, Palin and Bachmann have to do with this discussion.
@Author, as others have said, American values should apply in America and a secular public sphere should predominate and Sharia as well as Christian extremist values have no place here. It is good to understand that for Muslims the public and religious spheres should go together but in America they should not as it is a different culture and one that is not....Muslim. Muslim countries are natural hosts for such a merger which frankly to me seems to be the pining of millions for the 'good old days' which weren't that good. So they want us out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Soon they will have their way, but will women be murdered again by the Taliban? Will women gain equal rights? Will moderate Muslims reign in the militants against Israel and so on? America is not the only problem. As the author noted, the demons are within the Muslim world and should be dealt with whether we are taking care of business, aka 'killing bin Laden' or not.
"their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam"
It would seem that we are at an impasse because I think it is very safe to say that the perception of most Americans is that Islam seeks to undermine America.
I can pretty much sumarize this entire article without reading it in one word.
Israel.
They are not mad at America like the article says...there are Muslims and non Muslims all over the world and within American society who don't approve and agree with American foreign policy and their double standards toward other nations and this is the sole reasons America is hated around the world...they are seen as oil thirsty bully and etc....it has nothing to do with religion.
"Why Muslims are still mad at America"??? Only CNN would publish such self-loathing tripe, especially as the anniversary of 9-11 approaches. How about "Why Americans are still mad at Muslims" [Insert the literally thousands of attacks on 'infidels' here since 9-11-01]
I really do not care if Muslims are mad at America – they can go to hell as far as I am concerned. If they do not like living in America they can go back to Iraq, Iran, Syria or where ever else they came from – end of story!
You know who is mad at America? Skinny people. Fat Americans are taking up all the space!
Islam is cancer.
They are not mad at America like the article says...there are Muslims and non Muslims all over the world and within American society who don't approve and agree with American foreign policy and their double standards toward other nations and this is the sole reasons America is hated around the world...they are seen as oil thirsty bully and etc...
FOR ALL AMERICANS (ALL STUPID, ILLITRATED, AND WHOSE WITH NO BRAINS)
Why do you hate religions, multiculturalism and the united states (mixed cultures, races & religions).
Why Do you hate Islam? why do you blame all Muslims for every attack? is it because of your stupid News channel which talk all the NONSENSEs about the world issue, they just brain wash you, cuz they know that some illitrated american feel lazy to use their brains and seek for truth...
go back to your neighborhood, city, check out the homeless people, people who don`t have their health care plans,... YOU ARE the ONES who are paying all the taxes and All the money you are paying are going to support the war in Middle east or to support the freaking so-called democry in other countries. Stop poking your nose to other people`s lives, INSTEAD go and do improve your own people`s lives... I DON`T HATE USA or All Americans but only whose who have no brains and dares only tweeting in front of their PC and can`t even cook their own break!!!
ISLAM & MUSLIM HATERS!!!
Have you ever read TRUE Quran? or any religious book which Muslims read? if No, please go and read it and see what it say and judge it by yourself! God gave you the brain which no other HIS creatures have, so use it wisely and search for truth. Maybe then, you will find the difference between true believer Muslims and So-called Muslims (Terrorists).
REMEMBER, I AM MUSLIM BUT I AM NOT A TERRORIST! THINK BEFORE YOU SAY, SEARCH BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!!
GOD BLESS YOU ALL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
Passages in the Quran: Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
If the Muslins are really concern with Western products undewrminding their culture then the solution is very easy: Go back to your mother country and stay their! We did not ask you to come here and change us. if you do not like Western culture then GO HOME !
"At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion."
And it is this majority whose beliefs are entirely incompatible and irreconcilable with a western secular culture. These are the muslims who are dangerous to a progressive, tolerant, secular, and free state. These tend to be the muslims who play the victim card the most, who protest the most, who call for the destruction of the secular state the most, who hoot and holler when their beliefs are criticized, who support the EXECUTION OF CARTOONISTS AND JOURNALISTS; all the while enjoying the benefits of that same secular, liberal, free state.
The irony reeks as heavily as a dead animal on a hot highway: That these muslims who hold these beliefs, use the benefits and principles of the free society to destroy that society and replace it with a THEOCRACY.
Muslims are a bunch of whiny biatches.
Honestly, WHO IN AMERICA CARES WHAT MUSLIMS THINK? Do we care whether they are collectively mad at us? I don't give an iota, just like I don't care what any other religious people think about America. Everybody's mad about something. Why is this a headline article? I do care what God thinks about America, but His opinion has little to do with the opinions of religious people.
Everyone here possesses multiple views on just how things should be- even the one who "equally hates all religions". BUT even he/she is still just one of us- another point of view. All approaches change over the centuries for millions of reasons. BUT over here there has been little to no violence toward Muslims or their Temples- a different matter over there........methinks a clear demonstration of cultural advancement on our part that can hardly be overlooked by them.
What is the relevance to ANYTHING that muslims are mad at us? Everybody's mad at something, WHO CARES?
I don't believe on word of the article. The world held hands, sang Kumbaya, and ushered in a glorious era of Hope and Change. Everybody loves the US now. Everything is unicorns and rainbows.
Yes We Con.
For what its worth......I'd like to briefly address those that say or think that "I don't care what others think". What other people OR nations think of us can MAKE or BREAK us.......an eternal FACT. AND other people and nations that forget this fact are long gone. And adding to this comment.......the U.S., in numbers, is ONLY a very small fraction of the rest of the globe...........AND the distance between ALL earthly human beings groweth smaller by tha day.
"their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam – a perception held by overwhelming majorities"
That is almost correct. Most Americans love the freedoms of our Country. Sharia law does not allow these freedoms. However, we do not seek to undermine. The truth does just that.
ALL religions are stupid, and people who are religious are stupid. However, I am racist and feel that Middle Eastern types are less civilized and barbaric. And SO hairy!
Want to learn how liberal and progressive Islam is? draw a picture of mohammed.
In short, Islam hates America because its' views are steadfastly grounded in the Middle Ages. Well done Kull, you are really helping their cause.
The muslim world, by and large, is just jealous of America. It's that simple.
Before proceeding I just need to make one thing perfectly clear. I am Muslim, Muslims do not hate the U.S, we hate what the U.S is doing, we hate U.S foreign policy and blatant double standards when it comes to foreign policy and so called human rights and its arrogance when it comes to foreign affairs in general. Moving on, the sheer magnitude of ignorance on this forum is truly shocking. You don't need A 5 year study to uncover the reasons behind Muslim hatred and resentment towards the U.S. 1) Double standards and paradoxes within U.S foreign policy particularly when it comes to the Middle East is first and foremost. Blindly supporting tyrannical dictatorships in the Middle East while preaching democracy to others (particularly others who do not have oil, what a coincidence right?), I find it absolutely perplexing that nobody mentions the U.S for support for Saudi Arabia, the most backward, corrupt dictatorship in the Middle East, not only that, The U.S even labels Saudi Arabia as one of the more “progressive” or “moderate” governments in the Middle East...!!!??? 2) Illegally and unilaterally deciding to invade and two Muslim countries (Iraq and Afghanistan in case anybody was wondering) and killing and displacing HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (note: hundreds of thousands = MUCH more than the 3000 killed on 9/11 b y way; not saying that killing anybody is o.k, but I'm just saying), not to mention the total destruction and destabilization of those two countries and surrounding countries for decades to come, as well as their continued occupation. Why can't Americans get this through their heads? The U.S currently OCCUPIES not one but TWO Muslim countries, occupies, as in illegal military occupation, as in American soldiers with guns and tanks on the ground, and occasionally (LOL), killing and torturing innocent people (Abu Ghraib ring a bell?). 3) The continued military, economic and so called moral/ethical support for the zionist state of israel, which by international law and countless U.N resolutions (all of which have been vetoed by the U.S) OCCUPIES and annexes Palestinian lands, kills and terrorizes Palestinian civilians with illegal weapons (white phosphorus anyone?) and continues to do so under U.S cover and full support. 4) And perhaps the most infuriating of all reasons why Muslims (and many others by the way, this is not confined to Muslims) hate the U.S., is that despite all of the above mentioned, the U.S still has the nerve to preach about democracy an human rights to other people. But then again what do Muslims have to be angry about right?
This article basically says Muz hate America because they are fixed steadfastly on views from the Middle Ages. Is this supposed to help us sympathize? Author, please clarify. To me it sounds like Iz needs to catch up to the rest of the enlightened world.
To a small extent, this is true, as in people's historical perspective is concentrated to the regional history. So naturally people place events in different historical contexts. I think he's just saying that this plays a role in the understanding gap between west and east, but is not the end driving force.
"God turns you from one feeling to another and teaches you by means of opposites, so that you will have two wings to fly – not one". Rumi
As an American living abroad in the middle east, I find this article to be well written. I hope at least a few readers take it in. If any wish to actually get some understanding of the situation, I can say that this analysis is spot on.
No doubt, lots of Muslims are good people.... But many need to change their way of thinking if they come to America. They need to conform to our laws, our ways and NOT the other way around. Americans shouldn't have to bend over backwards for muslim ways of life and their beliefs! A lot of you feel that america should bow down to your ways, your religion and your cultures and if we don't, then you run to the media and and turn the stories around, making america look like the bad guys, unfair, unjust and racists.
As far as I'm concerned, you come to this great country to get away from yours, so if you do move here, you should go by our rules and our laws. Plain and simple - Change or leave!! If you're 'Mad at America'... By all means leave, because nobody is going to stop you from doing so! If it's so bad here, then go back to your own great country, you know, the one you left to come over here, FOR A BETTER LIFE.
Why the west is angry at muslims
-daily suicide bombings
-ramming planes into building
-beheading innocents
-backwards ideology
-no universal rights
-do not integrate, its their way or the highway
-take offense at the slightest things
-their holy book is full of evil and modeled after a pedophile/warlord.
You muppet, a like-minded Muslim could write a very similar list of offences America has committed against them, going back a lot futher than 9/11. And remember that their Holy Book is no fuller of wrath and violence than our Old Testament. Maybe you should think a little before you spew your ignorance everywhere.
Your comments more suited to a Fox News thread, or maybe The Washington Times. Most people here like to think for themselves...
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Like American's are not mad at the muslim extremists. Who gives a phuc if they are mad at us. America needs to get back to its roots and STOP being the worlds whipping boy. We have to stop giving up our values to make others feel welcome. WAKE UP AMERICANS before its too late!
Since 9/11, America has dropped bombs/missiles and troops to muslim lands, killing thousands more civilians (as collateral damage) in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan than the 9/11 lunatics ever did. This was out of revenge and possibly for oil and to support industrial/military complex in USA. Are moslem lives less valuable than those unfortunate new yorker's?
America only supports freedom and democracy when it is in her economic/security interest. The rest of the world can see it clearly. It should not meddle in middle eastern domestic politics. I'm sure you Americans will not like it if Russia or China funds the McVeighs or White Supremacists of your country. Remove your troops from muslim countries, stop the killing. Be the bigger person (or bigger country). With your weapons and military might, it is never an eye for an eye. It's going to be 10 muslim eyes for an american eye.
But if America really wants to be the world's policeman, judge and prosecutor, then push for permanent peace in Palestine by stopping Israel's land grab and return them to pre 1967 borders. Help Palestine to be a sovereign country just like you helped free France, Holland and Germany from the Nazi's rule. The gesture will go a long way in moslem world. Unless Israel really has America by its balls. Why do you protect them and keep a blind eye? This ain't the medieval age and or the crusade where kingdoms grab lands by force. The jews were the victims 65 years ago, but they are now the oppressors. Too much jewish money in GOP's and Democrats' coffers?
and for those who likes to critic grammar/spelling, I'm no english native speaker so pls pardon my writing.
It strikes me that not all Americans are as rabidly anti-islam as some fundementalist Christains demonstrate with a blanket 'muslims hate America' worldview. Conversely, not all muslims adhere to the 'America wants to destroy islam' simplification of matters either. There is a great deal of misunderstanding and all the moderate people on both sides are the best hope for sorting the mess out. Live and Let Live rpepresents the silent majority... as usual.
Can't believe ignorant comments about Muslims and this article. For decades USA foreign policy undermined democracy in Islamic states by supporting tyranny. Think about it. We supported Saddam Hussein after WW 2 and he slaughtered Iraqi citizens. USA supported Husni Mubarak and he sucked Egypt dry. USA supported Afghanistan and Pakistan during the cold war. After Soviet Union fall, USA didn't bother rebuilding Afghanistan when more then 60 percent of Afghanistan citizens were under the age of 21. USA foreign policies have many failed values that caused suffering and pain through out the Islamic states. Yes there are few nations that are successful but many nations are struggling just providing necessities to their population. We are fortunate to be USA. We don't have to worry about constant bombings, starvation, finding clean water, excessive govt corruption, freedoms which many Muslims want overseas and etc. Instead of throwing uneducated support for our politicians and choices for so called " war on terror", why don't we just ask why????? Why more military, intelligence and law enforcement spending which is being wasted, why we are losing more freedoms, why are we letting corporations run wild and run away from taxes and business ethics, why people are losing jobs, why there are third world conditions in USA. Just f#@king why.
they just want their land back for god sake...that's all...and he's right. Not many of them supports terrorism. They in fact hate it. They don't hate the Americans and stuff. Not all of them hate the U.S army and stuff. They just want to live peacefully. Don't get it wrong here. They just want their land back.
Wow; really? Pardon me but I just choked on my coffee.
If, perhaps, one were to consider that not a single Arab State Muslim cleric, stood up on 9-11... or any other day for that matter; to say that this was not the work of Muslims but that of criminals and that the Muslim community would hunt down those who did this... then perhaps the Western World could belive that all Muslims are innocent.... truly. However; none did. there were absolutely no Muslim Clerics who said that the violence rendered on the innocent humans in the world trade center, the Pentagon, the three aircrafts' occupants... was wrong and not committed in the name of the Muslim faith. Because of that resounding vacuum of innocence, it is beyond reproach to pay the Muslim people with the wrath of this dog whose cage was rattled. The piper hasn't even begun to be paid yet. Americans are still seething...
Yea, all the problems in the Middle East are America's fault. Or the Jews. Definitely the Jews. Unfortunately, regardless of the lenghts to which it is obfuscated, the problem in the Middle East is the same problem it's had since Muhammad formed his paramilitary group in AD 622. The problem is Islam. As long as the sacred religion of Islam holds sway, there will never be peace. Ever. America could vacate the premisis, which we should, and the true believers in the one true religion could drive the Jews into the sea, and the Jihad will continue. There will be no peace. People who think a Palestinian homeland and a reversal of US foreign policy will end Islamic jihad are delusional.
Agreed
Dear People of Earth,
Can you please stop killing each other in the name of some fairy gods? You are the laughing stock the the Milky Way.
Best regards,
Mike from Mars
Lets see if I understand; The muslim world doesn't like the encroachment of American culture and sees it as "undermining Islam" yet they continue to individually buy the stuff like Big Macs and Cokes. And then blame the Americans for their own lack of adherence to their religious principles. What they are really angry about is that they can't have the benefits of the modern world and still keep their religious principles intact. Not because the American's force our "culture" on them but because the benefits of that culture are so useful to them that they can't resist. Easier to blame America than to recognize the limits of their religious and cultural practices.
They need to get educated and civilized.
Democracy will be helpful.
Mohammad teaches Muslims in the Koran to hate all Jews and Christians and to "...kill them where ever you see them."
Islam is a religion of pure hate that teaches making Muslims of nations by force. The Muslims in America who do not actually carry out what is clearly written in the Koran are just simply ignoring those verses. But these words are written in the Koran exactly as quoted above. Islam is pure evil. It is NOT a religion of peace.
They need to get educated and civilized.
They need democracy, too.
Yup–I don't care what Muslims think. I really don't care what any religious group says. I do think America needs to butt out of everybody's business though. If these people want to kill each other, in the name of Allah–or whoever, then we should let them do just that... There's an overpopulation issue so the more that die the better the rest of us will be.
Does anyone really care if Muslims are mad a America? Muslims are mad at everyone including each other. They are the only group hell-bent on destruction and violence. Is there any Muslim dominated place in the world that is making a positive contribution to the world? Some say it is the radicals that cause the trouble but they all read the same koran which they use to justify their craziness. Birds of like feather fly together. The true red blooded Americans do not need to be tolerant of anyone in this wicked and evil religion.
Most of the world hates America for its militant international policy
IT'S EASY FOR US TO BLAME RELIGION FOR ALL BAD............BUT THE BAD WHAT HAPPENS TO US , IS JUST WHAT COMES BACK TO US,OF WHAT WE DID .WIKILEAKS SHOWS IN THIS VIDEO AN EXAMPLE OF HOW MUSLIMS WERE MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD,NOT EVEN REUTERS REPORTERS WERE LEFT .
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Dude, turn the caps off. You're hurting my eyes, and making yourself look even more like a raving lunatic.
"American" Muslim's that hate America need to return to their Muslim world, then they'd stop their complaining. Many of them have used our educational system to "better' themselves and take advantage of all the opportunities United States has to offer. No different than other "users". We need to close our borders. It's a "cancer" that will eventually destroy us.
You have to sit for hours and hours listening to find out why Muslims hate Americans? How dull can you be? It's primarily because of our support of Israel. They can talk all they want about "imperialism", intrusion, expansion, blah, blah, blah but it is the Islamic world's hatred of Israel and our defense/support of Israel as their greatest ally that is the root cause of their hatred.
A lot of Muslims who think this way conveniently forget that the U.S., along with its NATO allies, flew air sorties against Serbian (Christian) forces in support of Kosovar (Muslim) forces in Kosovo. And a lot of Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims believe the U.S. is trying to destroy Islam? Selective memory suiting prejudice I think. I was very heartened to see the Muslim prayer gathering in Washington, D.C. a few years back. One speaker pointed out that they have more freedom to worship in the U.S. in the way they deem fit than many of their co-religionists overseas have. So, these Muslims who, without ground, hate America can just jump in a lake (to put it more politely than I'd like), and take a look in a mirror while they're doing it.
Sadly, I have to admit that after 9/11 and the body count for this never ending war...I don't care anymore about their body count. They have sheltered the terrorist for so long that at some point they had to know that it would come back to bite them. My people were brought here as slaves to build a powerful country for FREE. But now that we're here, it's home since my father fought in Nam. It scares me that I have no pity or empathy for other countries, people or religions. I'm usually a generous person but I make no effort to donate any money to famine relief or devastation. Foreigners look at us with disgust but when everything goes bad for them, they want us to contribute to them. They start civil wars among themselves....killing their own people! Causing the famine and deaths of many but its always OUR fault because we didn't send enough aid. What would the world do if America stopped being so generous? When the war started after 9/11, nobody wanted to help. No one wanted to offend the Muslims. If you don't like America, just leave...if you can't handle its policy, leave...if being safe from suicide bombers and terrrorist attacks is not your goal, move out... We as Americans have no problems if you leave...We will NOT die, we will continue to prosper. We are a Christian based country and if you can't handle it ...MOVE...I have thought to myself for so long, just close the boarders and let them have at it. It's time that American took care of Americans.
Americans are still mad at Muslims, and with good reason.
well hopefully they will just suicide bomb each other until they are all gone that is our best hope....
Muslim mentality fail. They claim Western products attempt to undermine the Muslim faith. That's laughable. If they don't want the products, don't BUY THEM. Obviously somebody wants them. It's called business, why must you take it personally? If you could bottle Islam and make it marketable in the US, you would in a heartbeat. It's self-righteousness and double-standard-ism at it's finest. All the Muslim's I've met are wonderful people and have either a) embraced Western culture, or b) stick adamantly to their Islamic roots – and I hold nothing against them. However, to blame the US for the fact that product marketing is so extremely good that you are tempted to buy those products...that's just irrational. You choose whether or not you buy the products. If a child or another adult is wearing a Nike shirt, and you believe your faith objects to it, why don't you take it up with the individual? Why not just boycott? What ever happened to personal accountability? Get over yourselves.
The problem with America is the cultural insensitivity it demonstrates towards the rest of the world. This is the reason why Muslims as well as many other countries do not like America. I have had many Americans admit to me that they see their own culture as very closed minded towards different cultures. However, you do not need someone to admit to it to be able to see it in everyday life.
Then why don't you move out. Go.
You are the type of person that gives Americans a bad name. Ignorant.
how can you say 'The problem with America is the cultural insensitivity it demonstrates towards the rest of the world.' ...do we allow others to come to america and practice their beliefs openly...yes...do other counties...say were the suicidal Muslims come from...no they don't allow it.there beliefs are too radical honestly. They are the only religion in this day in age that causes harm to others in the name of there god and suppress their women rights. Their religion is just an out dated form of government that needs to go.
Once again, you have proven that you are either uneducated or a complete fool!
This article is complete horse crap. Muslims are still wanting their "due" and we owe them nothing. If they don't like America, then they can leave and go back to the middle east. They are not going to do that though since their true plan is to assimilate and try to "take over" from within. They are getting much help thanks to political correctness.
Muslims can go to H#LL.
No mention of the Moors, I guess they don't fit into these Muslims' historical framework because it's not a story about the victimization of Muslims - it's the opposite. And BTW – first the Moors, then the Crusaders.
Who cares? I'm sick and tired of the left wing media and bleeding heart liberals like Obama kowtowing to the sensibilities of Muslims. No one worries about offending a Christian. Why is that? It's because they won't blow themselves up.
A lot of muslims only rejected terror because they are now feeling the pain of their arrogant and blind support, when Islamic terrorists, bereft of targets to choose in the West due to tight security, turn their wrath on their own countrymen for not being "Islamic" enough. It is certainly ironic.
And of course, America's support for Israel somehow comes in. Talking to the muslims in the Middle East is a waste of time. America's support of Israel has nothing to do with the poverty in say, Pakistan or Yemen. However, ignorant muslims are still so inclined to blame the "evil zionists" for their social and economic ills.
It is not what America has done to offend the muslim world. It is about the eternal flame of muslim outrage. Everything you do is an outrage to them, from the Burger King ice-cream swirl (read up the ridiculous-ness of this incident) to Sudanese who believe that shaking hands with Jews will cause their penises to fall off.
To say that Muslim reasons for hatred of America are based on the crusades is ludicrous. The United States didn't even exist at that time. It is nothing more than an excuse. They believe that they want and are due their past glory. Their leaders are nothing but power hungry, greedy people who manipulate the masses for their own personal gain. Finally, the Koran teaches to convert or slay the infidels; what other excuse is needed? To try to rationalize away their hatred of America, such as the author seems to want to do is illogical, unreasonable and just outright dangerous.
I'll be honest, I stopped reading .. but only because the article seemed to be gibberish for the most part. By "the American people" the author and people interviewed really mean the american government. Most of the "American people" don't think we should be in Afghanistan and Iraq and Iran. How is it our place to tell you how to live your lives? Do I disagree with aspects? Sure. Do you disagree with aspects of mine? No doubt. Would I care if you prayed in public? Only if you did it in the middle of the road. Pray in the parks, the malls, the streets, I don't care. I'm not going to join you, but I'm certainly not going to look upon you in disgust. Do I divide muslims up? In so much as there are extremists and non extremists. If you're willing to (or encourage others) take life and/or property then you're an extremist. Muslims talk about Americans generalizing ... but so do they. Not all Americans want war, want to be in the middle east .. I'd rather be more insular, protect our borders, protect our way of life. I think it can be done without forcing our way of life onto other people. I believe women should be equal .. I disagree with how they are treated. But who's to say I'm right? I think I am, lots of people think I am, but many don't. I would welcome the opportunity to discuss my belief in equality but I don't believe I have the right to force it on you. Doesn't mean I can't fight for my beliefs.
I won't pretend to be a foreign policy expert, I'm not knowledgeable enough of all groups to make comments. But if, for example, the Muslim Brotherhood is diverting money to extremists then why should they receive financial support? Again, i don't know enough about them. Personally I'd rather stop funding other countries .. but I don't think that's the way the world works anymore. You have to build allies. And this seems to be the way the US has opted to do so. Gets a bit awkward when a regime change takes place.
The xenophobes and the chauvinists will forever be the knowledge-resistant drag anchors of society, no matter where they're from. Whether they be jihad-crazy, ALALALALA Middle Easterners who see all other people as the lapdogs of Satan, or the "God bless White 'Murrica'" heartland types who pine for the return of Joe McCarthy, Jim Crow and keep a stock of firearms at home for "judgement day."
If Muslims want to put the blame where it belongs, they should be mad at the extremists Muslims who are bringing all the terror in the world. It is so easy to blame the victims rather than themselves. The ultimate goal of Muslims is to control the world, but they try to tell us they are peaceful, an outright lie.
Awwwww. Poor Muslims, they're MAD. Let me offer you a nice tall glass of tough S**T. Maybe your pretend friend in the sky will do something about that for you, although he doesn't seem to interested so far.
I just really can't take CNN anymore. I was in a bar the other day and CNN was on in the background. I looked up and saw the ad for "Muslim in America". Ten minutes later I looked up and there was the commercial for "Latino in America". Now this article. We get it CNN, America is awful and just like the Obama does already, we should constantly apologize for our standing in the world. I'm still looking forward to your series "White in America". You know, the race that can no longer say a word without being called racist.
And in regards to this Muslim article you can say as much as you like that they "denounce" the attacks on America. But I still would like to see the evidence of this. Where are the Muslim leaders who will stand up after these attacks and come out and denounce Al Qaeda? I'll wait.
You're kidding me right. How about why I will never trust another Muslim person ever. Every time I see Muslim people I automatically think are they going to kill us, kill my kids, my husband-who is in the military, try to bomb our home, our armory. etc. I will never lay down my guard with Muslims either in the US or elsewhere.
Still mad at US? Move to Syria, Iraq, Egypt and many other totally Islamic countries and see how many mosque bombings, killings and kidnappings there are. They do it to each other. In the USA that doesn't happen to them because its the USA. I see them complaining plenty but its never against other Muslims who are doing most of the killing of other Muslims. Since Islamic terrorists hit us on 9-11 and tried many times after that all we have done is outreach. Even Obama bowed and tried to coddle them. NASA outreach. State Department. USAID. Nope. Help with Arab Spring. Dis Israel. Didn't work. Their hate continues but we have to be the understanding ones. We have to be felt up to get on a plane. Emails read. The teaparty is terrorists but not those who blow themselves up as an act of piety to their god. Im tired of so much now.
America is a free society. That is not a popular idea in a religion and culture that is not free. America was founded on religious freedom. That is NOT a popular idea in a religion whose followers are generally NOT tolerant of people who believe something different then what they believe. America was founded by people who were christian coming over from Europe (this is not to discount the Native people). Muslims see America as a christian country (even though people of all religions can enjoy freedom here). That idea is not a popular one with muslims. America attacked a country whos primary religion is islam. The attack was not because it is an islamic country but in retaliation for the attacks on America by radical islamic groups. Many muslims see this as an attack on them since they think they are special and chosen etc. They hate America for many reasons. Religion is the worst thing in the world.
What a wonderful peaceful world this would be without Muslims.
Grouping all Muslims together is the same as grouping all Americans together. Rash generalizations of groups of people occur on both sides. ALL Muslims are terrorists and ALL Americans are fat and selfish. Yes, some fit this description, but the majority does not. Consider the individual, not the group.
El-Gamal's new tactic is in line with the moderate, non-violent global approach for Islamic conquest of Western societies. Terrorism is the tool of choice by radical Muslims. But, under the guise of love and peace, moderate Muslims populate neighborhoods and build Mosques as the tool to take over communities, one at a time. This is what has happened in Germany with multiculturalism, as well as France, Sweden, Spain, Australia, Denmark and the UK. Neighborhood after neighborhood, Muslims build up their population to an intimidating level where police do not even enter. They build their religious centers with leaders and literature that radicalizes their membership. They demand that 'Sharia Law' becomes the law of their enclave and the original residents are either driven out or run scared..
The most brilliant concept in human history, THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE is worth fighting for. We're not consider ourselves superior to Muslims but it's blindingly clear that every government on this planet should be secular (I didn't say democratic, but secular).
We don't want to, but we have to take an interest in the Islamic world, because one needs to be interested in the threats
coming to its shores.
This whole issue is really not that complicated. Muslims assume the whole world is pondering about their intentions..that's not the case (but a bit arrogant). I, for one, don't care whatsoever what is going on in the Muslim world. Thank you..
The Norwegian bomber was a white Christian, so I guess that means we should have increased security checks at airports for anyone wearing a crucifix, should treat any Christian-looking person like a potential terrorist, and we should probably try to stop any Churches from being built around where the attacks took place because, it would be as if they were celebrating. OH WAIT…
"...However, many Muslims do believe that America must back away from the Muslim world...."
I am in total agreement with them, we do need to back away from them.
Like about 7000 miles away from them.
I have lived in the Middle East for about 33 months. As long as you are handing them a dollar, they will smile and call you "my friend". Take the money out of the equation, and they wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.
The US should just leave the muslim world alone. The US wouldn't like it if some outside power came in suggesting how we should do things.
However, that road goes both ways. If the US should leave the muslim world alone then the muslim world should leave the US alone. Including asking for money.
If they believe America must back away from Muslim nations, they aren't doing a service to Muslims living in America as Americans largely believe Muslims should back away from America.
" A religion must stand or fall on it's own writings and holy books. The fundamentalists haven't perverted anything. In fact, Osama bin Laden is the best practicing Muslim out there. He is practicing Islam exactly the way that violent nutcase Mohammed wanted it practiced." Brad Thor-Foreign Influence
One question how many Muslim country at this moment in time are 100% free and safe. Would anyone be able to walk down the streets without beign killed or harrassed. I doubt it, could I walk into any Mosque doubt it. Lets reverse the roll can any muslim walk around Canada or the US freely or walk into pretty much any church regadless of ethnicity why I would think YES YES YES. There is one word Muslims love to hear and thats tolernce we tolerate others and they know this but do they tolerate us that is the question. We bend do the bend I dont think so and people norht American people wake up before its to late.
I wa sin Texas after 9/11, and listened to a talk show asking wheter ity was OK to torture people if it save American lives. The question was shocking. The conclusion even more so. Many callers seemed to think that American citizens hve basic human rights, such as the right to a fair trial, and the right to not be tortured, but that right did not extend to non-Americans. Many people seem d to think it was OK to torture IF it save American lives. How does this differ from the Musim view that it is Ok to kill non-muslims? So think of it this way. Imagine you are one of the 80% of people picked up for questioning. You are not guitly of anything, and you don't know anything, but you are tortured to try to get you to tell them something you don't know.
" To paraphrase Churchill, individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but Islam's fanatical frenzy is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia is in a dog.' Brad Thor Foreign Influence
There is a reason why Muslims are called mad people. They are mad at US, mad at EU, made at Israel, , mad at themselves, mad at Shia, mad at Ahemdiya, mad at Ismaili, mad at Buddhists, mad at Hindus, mad at Sikhs, mad at Christians. I think I have covered almost 99% of the worlds population. So I hope u know where the problem is.
Try to have a Bible study group or build a church in Saudi Arabia and discover the benevolence of Islamic rule.
Or try to have your wife drive a car. Seriously what year is this?
why the Muslims are mad at us? Are you kidding me?
If the Palistinians laid down their arms tommorrow, there would be peace. If Israel liad down their arms tomorrow, there would be Genocide.”
Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt General Guide Dr. Muhammad Bad'i said, in a sermon at Omar bin Al-Aadh mosque for 3,000 worshipers, that the era of separation of religion and politics has ended. He said that the movement has ways of dealing with various problems, but first there must be a return to Allah.
Muslim culture in the Middle East is stuck in the Stone Age. Even when the "devil from the West" comes and saves them from their own murderous evil Muslim brother (Osama bin Laden who killed thousands of Muslims and innocents), they revolt. Tolerance is required in a global world as well as compassion for others, and Muslims have proven incapable of evolving beyond the ideologies of their past. Thus, the modern world will continue to progress without them until the Middle East is no longer relevant. With modern moderate Muslims keeping silent, they have let their religion be hijacked and allowed themselves to be painted by the same brush. Let’s get clean energy so they no longer can get rich off countries that promote freedom and tolerance.
So who cares if they are mad. I'm mad too. They don't have to come to the US, I don't recall sending an invitation. Stay in your own country and complain, no one really cares!
"Muslims tend to view current events through the lens of a long-standing historical narrative. According to this narrative, going back to the Middle Ages Christian forces from the West have persistently sought to break the grip of Islam on its people. By holding fast, Muslims believe, they were able to flourish as a civilization, at times superseding the West in many dimensions."
Gee, you don't mention that Muslims invaded Europe first, and blocked their path to the Holy Land (Jerusalem/Bethlehem).
"Why Muslims are still mad at America"
Instead of writing about why Muslims are mad at America, you should be writing about why Americans should be mad at Muslims.
"Muslims believe that they are on a different path than the West. "
Yes, Muslims want to subjugate the entire world, and are happy to tell us this. Apparently, you aren't listening.
The West is in big trouble because of how modern liberalism has influenced people, like author Steve Kull. Because people behaving badly, like Muslims, only do so in reaction to an outside force (So thinks the modern liberal), like the United States, the modern liberal is absolutely unable to grasp that they may have an agenda of their own. Muslims seek to overthrow all the world's governments and install sharia law worldwide. It simply doesn't matter whether one is nice or mean to Muslims. If you are not a Muslim then you are in their cross-hairs.
Let me wrap this up by saying that too many people in the West are clueless about Islam and its agenda. Modern liberalism has doomed the West. It's already over. Islam wins. And the win will come much sooner than most people think.
I don't think I've ever read on of Kull's articles before. First of all, with 9/11 just around the corner, this is the wrong time to be trying to tell Americans why Muslims are mad at them. 9/11 will be burned in peoples memories for at least 75 more years. The memory will fade, kind of like when you ask the average teenager what Pearl Harbor was about.
Right now, America is going through extreme polarization, that is having vast negative effects on her people. I think more and more Americans are realizing this and the silent majority is starting to speak out. 2012 will be an interesting election year.
One thing that I try to keep in mind is that a countries people are not necessarily representative of a countries government. I don't agree with everything that America does. I try my best to keep this perspective when thinking about other countries people.
Since digital media and online social groups, it is possible to receive a vast amount of input from people from other countries. I have Facebook friends in a variety of countries throughout the European Union. I am wondering why many people in these countries are flabbergasted with the influx of Muslims into their countries. I don't think most Americans want this either.
America is a strange melting pot of a variety of cultures. Sometimes we get along, and sometimes we don't. Right now, as I mentioned, with this firm polarization of left and right, many people aren't getting along yet we are co-existing. Since I'm 'in the middle,' I have no desire to go slay a true republican or a true democrat just because I don't agree with their extremism.
I think the following sentence is what struck me most about this article: When they feel that America is threatening their religion and their aspirations, they grow resolutely hostile. We all know how this 'hostility' surfaces. Although it is true that some Americans strike out in a hostile way to sub cultures within America and sometimes even kill members of this group, these sentiments are not a common thread among us and our judicial system 'typically' upholds the civil rights of these sub cultures.
To be perfectly blunt, I do not want Muslims overwhelming America like they are in the EU. I do not want Sharia law in America. I do not want women's rights to be plunged back into pioneer days. I do not want sub-cultures of our country to be exterminated, simply because they don't believe the same thing that the majority of Americans tend to flow with.
And to be honest, if I saw a woman wearing a Hijab, I'd be inclined to call the police, for hiding ones face in American culture is in some ways an illegal defiant act of deceit. If I can't see your face, I can't 'see' your true intent.
As for military interventions in these Muslim countries, it seems to me they beg for it. Does anyone honestly think that the destruction of the Twin Towers was NOT going to get a response out of America? Although I'm aware of the various conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11, I do not believe our government instigated, or created it. There are many things our government does that most of us would really rather not know about, but I don't think that's the case in this event.
The other thing that struck me in the whole article was the overwhelming sense that Muslims don't want to be told what to do. They want to be free to practice their religion, their ways of government, etc. In their own countries they keep other religions and people of differing view points at bay by either imprisoning them, or killing them. To a 'smaller' extent this can also happen in America, but it is not the common conciseness of all Americans.
To conclude, I think it comes back to polarization of peoples, of all countries, views. To agree to disagree, for me means to take in what something says to me that I totally disagree with, and to think about it. To consider their position, to put myself into their shoes, and to perhaps re-evaluate my stance on what I disagree with, or to at the very least be able to vocalize exactly what it is that I disagree with without yelling and screaming and fighting over the issue.
I wish Fareed Zakaria would throw in his two cents worth over this article. His articles are always very interesting, and he has a way of presenting issues that make one think about their stance over almost any issue.
Anyway, my fellow Americans, 9/11 is upon us. Don't forget the many people who lost their lives to include several Muslims, along with Jews, Christians (in all it's various forms), and just plain ole' people.
Have a blessed day.
What I understand is that as Americans we have a double edged sword to stand on. It is ok to decapitate a soldier and drag him through the streets but God help us when we did kill Osama if we didnt give him a proper burial according to Islamic tradition.
The biggest problem I see is that here in America we tolerate all Religions. I do it every day. Mormons, jews, christians, and Muslims. But American culture is we dont ask what your creed is in fact we dont care. This has to be the real reason why Muslim countries hate us. Their religion is the only religion and everyone not Muslim should die. I asked my Muslim friend a question would he kill me if his religon told him he had to to be a good muslim. Without hesitation he said he would have to. So does that mean the religion is a fanatical one or the person?
If they hate us so bad then go to hell ! And go back to were you came from. USA USA USA USA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Americans are most beautiful, peace loving, innocent, intelligent, hardworking people. They trust everyone else in the world with open arm. Whole country is symbol of liberty shows that it invites those who are willing to work hard, dedicate your life to improve others life and contribute to human society.
Which is the most ignorant, intolerant religion which preaches terrorism to kids and people?
Which country/ religion/ people gave safe heaven to Osama for 10 years?
All terrorists are from which religion?
America is now educated and smart enough to not trust drama’s and deception of Muslims. With ignorant and foolish act of vengeance you have awakened a giant lion that will soon eat all you evil creatures…
Which is the most ignorant, intolerant religion which preaches terrorism to kids and people?
Which country/ religion/ people gave safe heaven to Osama for 10 years?
All terrorists are from which religion?
America is now educated and smart enough to not trust drama’s and deception of Muslims. With ignorant and foolish act of vengeance you have awakened a giant lion that will soon eat all you evil creatures…
It's funny how US Christians will throw out the "kill the infidel" as justification for their distrust of Muslims but fail to acknowledge similar language in their own book of fairy tales.
Dear Muslims,
It's ok. We hate you back.
love,
America
I know that when I lived in the United States a Mosque was present not far from where I lived. The gates were open, and there was no threat at all. I have lived and travelled the Mid. East, and it is the opposite there, for sure. Having had many conversations with Muslims, outside of "faith" for the most part enjoyable, but if they brought up the subject of Allah, and I presented my views, I was considered an infidel and the tone of the conversation changed and ended by them abruptly.
Islam is an intolerant religion that forbids freedom. For that reason, I will never be accepted Islam and neither will real americans.
and we should like them why?
ASK REAL AMERICANS IF WE CARE!!!! MUSLIMS ARE PAPER AMERICANS, NOTHING MORE!!!! THIS IS OUR COUNTRY NOT THEIRS AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT HERE TELL THEM TO GO BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!!
"Why Muslims Are Still Mad at America".????? Did I read that correctly. Are you F__KING kidding me?
My response....WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've got 3000+ reasons to still be mad at Muslims.
LOL that Muslims are upset with America. That’s so funny considering that they have the religion that preaches subjugation of Non-Muslim territories, child brides, killing of apostates and beating of wives. You Islamophobes! How dare you educate Americans by revealing that the Qur’an says that “Those that do not convert to Islam are losers (3:25), All nonebelievers should be killed (9:5) and of course that Muslims should never take non believers as friends (5:51). Too bad, we should try harder to be more tolerating of Islam. Interesting since in Muslim countries it is illegal to carry a Bible, or build a church, and if you are Atheist, Jew, Buddhist, Christian, etc. you have to pay a tax (Jizya) that in some places is more than 5x what you make. Otherwise you’re an enemy of Allah and the Muslim gets to fight you (wait, are you saying they get upset with you…even when you’re not in America? No way?!?) You Infidels! You Losers! Be nicer to muslims so that they don’t get upset further with America. Hey, Muhammadans—I apologise that we upset you by letting you blow of 3000+ of our people in an unprovoked attack.
It is obvious that we cannot force-feed the peoples of Afghanistan and Iraq a diet of democracy, as it is in conflict with their religion. Let us butt-out. Let us accept that we cannot interfere with a sovereign nation no matter how contrary their actions may be to our American sensibilities. In our self-righteous role as world police we have failed because we did not give that which we hold most dear; the right to choose.
UBL dead. Check.
Saddam dead. Check.
I think we can call this one done. Let's bring all of our troops home and leave all the equipment there. (in lieu of any future aide).
CNN is but a pawn, a press agent, a propaganda arm, of the evil that seeks to regress the world to the 8th century...when most christians were murdered in the name of a government-free world led by religious extremists whose sole purpose is to dominate and oppress all human life. they are a lifeless darkness that is trying like hell to cover the globe again. Enjoy your days, for it is impossible to fight such evil when hidden behind the smiles of the walking dead.
Let me handle these camel jockeys
I am the LAW!
How about this: Muslims leave western society and not set foot here again and we'll stay out of their? I'd be over joyed with that arrangement. I'm sick and tired of seeing this people and hearing about their primitive culture. If their society is so much better, they should be happy with this arrangement as well.
another stupid white guy essay. lump everyone together into simple groups: americans and muslims. heck, if we left muslims alone they might kill each other.
Simple, go back home if you don't like America. Go back to Egypt with no funtioning gvt, or Syria and get killed by your gvt, or Libya where the gvt is on the run, or Iraq where the gvt is corrupt, or Iran where the mullahs are the gvt, or Pakistan, where the gvt pretends to be an ally while hiding the most wanted man in the world..oh well, you see where this is heading..makes me sick to hear such dribble... all the while, they enjoy the liberty afforded by this country. Love it or leave it...simple.
Dr Detroit, I have heard many Muslins denounce what happened on 9/11 as well as any violence against anyone. You just can't lump good people into a category with Extremest, Christian, Muslim or anything else.
Dr. Detroit
FACT: All terrorists flying planes on 911 were MUSLIM, so, if the Muslim community dislikes being grouped together or labeled, here is a suggestion. DO SOMETHING, try denouncing those who killed on 911, do it in public. You won't and you know why. Another attack of any kind on US soil where a Muslim of any kind kills or destroyes will start a chain of events the Mid-east won't even believe. We don't care if you are offended, get over it.
September 5, 2011 at 1:44 pm |
A 5 year study group was need to figure this one out. Please...
Another westerner falling into the self-guilt mode. Where is the discussion that Muslim countries cannot succeed when they treat half of their population (women) as disposable trash? These are illiterate, medieval societies that could not exist without the western discovery of and demand for oil. Is it the fault of the U.S. that these failed societies are unable to utilize the human resources available to them?
The U.S. has its problems. But, from the looks of my community, there are a lot of Muslims trying to come here for a better life than they could ever have in a Muslim land.
Religion is crap period. Some humans are just so crazy about their beliefs they do not realize how stupid they have become, or how consumed they have become with something that is so irrelevant to the real world. Religion contributes very little compared to what it takes away.
Who really gives a rat's a$$ what the Muslims think? Guess what? I'm still mad at them. They can write that on their freakin' website!
Here is the deal. Most people from the middle east are Muslim. America has an issue with people from the middle east. When you have governments making religion central we have no choice but to equate the religion with the people. We are being asked to split hairs and no other country in the world will do that. France, Germany and the most of Europe take a dim view of the rights Muslim expect and should have in the USA. I honestly believe as a species we are genetically racist in the sense that we gravitate to what is known to us. From Thors sake CNN. Reprogramming us will take a little longer then you think.
America as a country has a lot more to fear then Muslims based on some of the comments made above.
The Muslims wanted the USA to back off after 911? Really? Really? That's not what I got out of that. I keep hearing that the Muslim world respects power and authority. So you're telling me if the USA just walked away after 911and did not invade Afganistan and Iraq, then there would be no anger directed at the U.S. from the Muslim world today? You live in a dream world.
Aren't the majority of Americans women? After centuries of struggling to finally accept women as equals to men, I find it difficult to sponsor religions who ignore the equality of women? I agree with advancement of the wishes of the majority.
Since women are the majority, why is it the Muslim man feels as if he is not being treated fairly, we allow him to exist but we cannot allow him to advance? I find it intensely depressing to sponsor a religion that does not include the thoughts of the woman.
The West is not undermining Islam. To the contrary, Islam is trying to undermine the West in it's attempt for world domination and intolerance for those who are not Muslims.
Belief and ideology of most muslims is deeply rooted in primitive form of Islam. This breeds into fundamentalism, extremism and ignorance. Every other interpretation of Islam is blasphemous other than what is ascribed by their (so called) religious teachers which in mostly extreme, rigid and blind in nature. This has been the most dangerous situation in the entire muslim world, leading to people being persecuted on a daily basis.
Any analysis that lumps all members of a religious group together is likely to be wrong. How would you like an article that talked about christians hating China! That would be silly, right?
Political issues should be discussed as political issues. US dominates the Middle East, politically and economically. We routinely install dictators to protect our oil interests, and support Israel's expansionist and colonial policies. So, the Middle East masses don't like us! That shouldn't be surprising! They try to organize aginst us. The only tool available to organize in the face of massive oppression by puppet dictators is religion. So, they organize around Islam, and challenge the dictators using religion. Religion is a tool of political organization. It is not the cause of anything!
Anytime we focus on the religion, and whether it is a good religion or bad religon, or whether it is compatible with democracy or peace etc, we are completely missing the point!
Article fails to mention the hundreds of thousands (actual number unknown, perhaps even millions) of civilians killed and maimed as a result of the Iraq War. No mainstream media outlet even hints at how many Iraqi's have died. It's absolutely surreal, almost like nothing ever happened and the Iraqi's are living happily ever after.
Muslims have always hated "us" infidels and will always hate us until they either chop off our heads or blow us to bits in a quest to deflower 70 virgins. Ever since that pedophile Mohammed penned his screed and started spreading his "religion" at the point of a sword, they have "hated" us! We should not trust any of them. There is no such thing as a peace-loving Muslim; they're as rare as Jew-loving Nazis.
Dear Muslim,
No one likes you, go home.
Thank you,
Bye!
"Muslims have much they do not like about how America treats them. But there is one thing that is the most fundamental: their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam – a perception held by overwhelming majorities."
America and it's citizens do not seek to undermine Islam. But they do seek to prevent Islam from becoming the basis of law and government in the Western world, as it is in the Middle-East and other predominantly Muslim countries. The question is whether Muslims can live 'happily' in American and other Western-world countries under the our democracy and system of government. If anything, I would say that Islam seeks to undermine America's , system of government and bring about Islam as the dominant religion and government on the planet.
VERY good question: "Can Muslims live happily in America..." – Begs the question – what has the Muslim faith done to bring peace, happiness and quality of life to it's adherents??? (me me me!! i know the answer!!!)
narrative...way over used.
Our enemy are playing the same exact game we played against Soviet. Start a fight with Muslims and push on it, it will never end. it will only drain your resources and will fall back from #1 (as China..etc takes over) as we lose vision and could crash as Soviets or best case be at 15% unemployment rate fighting each other for food on table, as companies run to more secure countries raise.
I think we are I think we need to take a step back and educate ourselves about Islam (not by buying Anti-Muslims books)..
No reason....
Its funny how every muslim wants to highlight the conflict between the west and "Islam" and claim its the Wests fault or a conflict of cultures that at least is noth cultures fault. YET, I have yet to hear their excuse for the Islaimc slaughters and ongoing war against India and the rising war against China. If it were really a 'mutual' issue of clash of cultures unique to the West, WHY is it everywhere Islam boarders another culture, its at war. Meanwhile, the west lives peacefully (for the most part) with Asia, India, and the rest. While yes there is conflict from time to time, Asia and the west trade and interact peacably and have no hatred of each other like the Middle East. Why is it that arabs / islam canyt leave Kashmir / India alone? Why cant they leave South Sudan and Ethiopan and other African christians alone? Why cant they leave Philipne Christians alone? Why cant they live peacefully in China? Why cant they live peacefully with Hindu India? Where are the articles about that?
"While yes there is conflict from time to time, Asia and the west trade and interact peacably and have no hatred of each other like the Middle East."
The ONLY thing Islamic countries have to trade is OIL; they don't make ANYTHING of value to export. Islamic countries recognize this, but can't admit that they are failed, medieval countries with extremely high unemployment, no Gross Domestic Product and a bunch of citizens who blame others for their failure. The should realize that it is God's will that they are in the situation that they are. Islam as an economic force is a FAILURE.
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This article is purely intended to create hatric between the Muslims and the Americans. I somehow suspect whenenver I see some "expert" on "international" it is always biased and only certain people doing this.
SOoooooo.... move to my country, build mosques all over the freekin' place, demand to be accepted and recognized, but then admit to internal conflicts and heaven forbid that any American should take sides. No, just 'back off and and ignore us till we get our act together'. Right. Sounds like a real mature bunch of guys.
Boil that all down and what you get is they hate us because we're successful. The same reason non-New Yorkers hate the New York Yankees. In one word, ENVY. Remember when envy was a BAD thing?
it's all about exterminating israel.always has been,always will be.other issues are secondary.christians also stand in the way.muslims,communists,socialists,progressives.all allies for now.evil.it's that simple.
Christians, Muslims, Athiests, you name it. They all seek to promote their religious beliefs. They all hate the other guy. They all seek global expansion. Say it for what it is. It's undeniable.
The part that really irks me is the topic of the story. If Muslims are mad at Americans, then they are stereotyping as well. Get mad at certain Americans, but if you're mad at Americans, then you're no better. You've lumped everyone into a group and have targeted anger towards that group. If you're mad at Americans, then you do have a country of origin you can go back to, or stay in. There are options beyond migrating to America. Take a good hard look at how many people want into America and how many want into these Muslim countries. Complain as you might, you still can't deny the fact that a HUGE number of people want to turn their back on their own country, or at a minimum come into the US and pilfer everything they can to send back home because the people in their own country have destroyed it. If you don't like the way America treats you, no one is forcing you to be here and you're welcome to leave, but don't come into my house and tell me how to live.
Let us not forget the muslim who hates America the most; Barry Obama!
We undermine islam?? Make no mistake – it states in the koran that if someone of non-muslim faith dosent convert to Islam that this person should be killed. Sounds more like they are undermining EVERYONE on earth. They cant stop living like they are in 1400.
There's an old saying that I think applies to this study. "My freedom ends where your nose begins." I found two quotes to be the most important in this entire article. These two quotes completely undermine the "tolerance" and "diversity" tone it was trying to set.
"At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion."
Sorry to break it to the author, but Sharia and freedom, equality, and democracy are completely diametrically opposed points of view. You cannot believe in equality and yet treat women like property. You cannot believe in freedom of religion and yet consider Muslims who give up their faith as criminals. You cannot believe in democracy (where the source of legitimacy for law is the will of the people and can be rationally debated) and have the basis of law be what you perceive to be the will of God (who can argue with that authority?). In saying this, Muslims are essentially saying "my freedom of religion goes past the rights of women and minorities to basic and fundamental freedoms." They are arguing that their freedom of religion goes past other people's noses. As for the second quote
"Most want Sharia to play a greater role. They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture."
history is replete with examples of where "piety" dominated the public square. The most obvious ones from the Western Democratic perspective are the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. Religion is of such a nature that it captures the passions and prejudices of people like no other type of idea in human history. When you give it the power of government force at its disposal, the natural course of events will always end in oppression of those who do not share that faith. That is why the U.S. founding fathers imbued our own country with separation of church and state and why the U.S. cannot and should not ever trust a society where religion and the public sphere are considered one and the same.
The reason people can't get their heads wrapped around the reasons Muslims "still hate America" is because people still think America is the issue. Pick up a history book people and start reading; from the day Mohammed sent armies into Persia and India with orders to force convert or kill anyone who refused and murder an estimated 8 to 10 million people, to their attacks on Syria, Egypt, North Africa, into Spain right on up until today when millions are being murdered in Africa for the crime on not being Muslim... the simple, indisputable fact is that from day one on every country and culture Islam has come in contact with has found itself in violent conflict. The truth is Muslims don't hate America, Muslims hate EVERYONE who isn't Muslim just as they always have, just as they've been raised to do. That's the truth, deal with it or don't but your very existence depends on which you chose to do – just ask the Persians, Assyrians, Byzantines, Egyptians and every other culture that no longer exists because it was wiped out by Muslims.
"Muslims tend to view current events through the lens of a long-standing historical narrative"
Pretty much says it all right there. They hate us because they chose to. It's as simple as that. Most Americans could give a pigs behind about Islam. They jsut use us as scape goats for all thier problems.
Whos cares about muslims being mad at america we hate them USA for life
Fu ck Muslims.................
I am just fed up that we as AMERICANS (born and raised here with beliefs, morals, history etc.) now always seem to upset certain religions or race who have come here to supposedly start a new life with freedoms and oppurtunities that they wouln't even been able to dream about in the countries they came from. I have no problems if you follow procedures and work hard to obtain the things that are needed to provide for your families. (ITS THE AMERICAN WAY)
I am just so tired of hearing we offended this group or that group. If you truly feel that way then please go back to your homeland and try to make it a better place for you and your families to live.
well here is my opion islamic people you hate us christians so there for i hate you to. dont over take my coutntire plz
All bull. They are mad because they are always mad. islam is not a religion. It is a political organization that uses religion as a front to create war and hatred. If you want to start using muslim law and connect their god with my government, you can count me out.
The problem, I think, most Americans have with Islam isn't that their laws are applied to the faithful. That's okay; if you want to live by those rules, it's okay with us. The problem is having a national government based on Sharia law doesn't just apply to the faithful, but also those of different faiths. I don't really give a rip about what you believe as long as you don't try and impose it and your cultural mores on me. That's where we'll have a problem, and that's the problem that Islam causes because the religious rules say that it is to rule the temporal as well as the spiritual.
Let God sort 'em out
well here is my opion GENRALY islamic countires hate christians sharing their faith in there countires. so why the hell should we except them????? but no really dont bomb canada
I am a member of the Church of Jeaus Christ of Latter-day Saints-Our beleifs have been misunderstood for years and people still calls the LDS church a "cult" I have people make jokes about my husband wanting "multiple wives." Our faith has spent generations trying to show that we are Christians. We are trying to combat predjudice and raise our children to live a moral life! I understand the Muslims are trying to do the same–HOWEVER, LDS have managed to live in peace with other faiths-raise our children-we send peaceful missionaries to spread the word of GOD! Muslims seem to want to take over and force all otherr beleifs and faiths out of their countires and lives! You can have a love of God and live peacefully–live with other beleifs! Raise ones children within Gods law and live amoung society with peace and love!
well here is my opion GENARLY islamic countireys hate christians sharing there faith..... so why the hell should we except them????? but no really dont bomb canada
Hello world,
We are all humen, we all bleed red, and we all want peace. There is no gods or devils. We need to learn how to live with one an other.
American and the West cannot disengage from the Middle East, because they will not disengage from us. Are all muslims that are currently living and working in American and the West supposed to just ignore their former hoemlands? Mexicans don't do it. Chinese don't do it. So why should we expect Muslims to do that. Once they come here they still want to go back to where the rest of their familiy is and visit every once and a while. They will bring our ideals with them, and traditional hypocritical Islam will not be able to compete.
American exceptionilism is dying. Within the next 20 years China and India will be the only world superpowers. With that we americans will gain more sense about the rest of the world. As for the muslims they are compelled by their religion to place SHaria law on the entire planet and they will not stop until we illegalize beer and force our women to wear head rags. Fundementalist Christians would destroy america by placing their version of Sharia law on the US where we pray in school and teach creationism as an equally valid alternative to evolution. All in all christian societies are more socially advanced. Muslims should not be given the special treatment they get in this country. U burn a Bible and you dont have to worry about people killing you. You burn a Quran and suddenly you're at risk of death. Just drop an A-bomb on the middle east now please!!
I dont blame them! America has a race problem...a history of prejudice here towards any races...if u dont look right, ur an outcast...cops esp are jerks...u cant get fair treatment if ur not white/rich. I quit school in 6th grade and had to be homeschooled from stupid bullies and teachers that hated me. I dont care about usa anymore, it can go to hell.
The article has some useful insights and I am by no means as negative as many of the other reviewers. How\ever, like most Muslims I know, the writer is a bit selective in his choice of historical incidents to support his views. More has happened in the past than the Crusades. For example, brutal Muslim dominion in India, Ottoman Turkish invasions of Europe, and only in the last century the murder in Turkey of over one million Christian Armenians. I do not hold individual living Muslims responsible for all this, but articles that gloss these events over while stressing the ones that Muslims find most supportive of their arguments are not useful. Overall Muslim culture in modern times has not taken care of its own people. Most, but not all, Muslim countries are economically and technically backward, when compared with Brahmanical, Confucian and Christian societies. People who explain that away with Hollywood or Israel are just afraid to make the real points. Political correctness I guess. For me Islam as a whole is not evil at all, but in some important ways the ways the culture has failed to maintain the material well being of its faithful. A few act out their sense of losing with violence, while most console themselves with the thought that, "Oh yes, the violence was wrong, but we all know those unbelievers had it coming." It's good to
Islam was created in a time when Xtians controlled the main trade routes to the Mediterranean that connected Europe with the Middle East. Islam was sculpted to motivate them to want to fight to open these trade routes. Unfortunately we are left with what is left over and that is a religion that is motivated to always be antagonized by the other.
Such Genius! Such wisdom! I bet you get lots of lovins!
If the American Muslim community wants more popular support, I think that they should be VERY vocal in national media in condemnation of terrorist attacks – everywhere, regardless of who the victims are. When Muslims remain silent, we take that as tacit approval. Muslims need to quit thinking of themselves a victims and join "us" in rooting out the causes of Islamic terrorism.
The trouble with US-Islamic relations is that even hindsight isn't 20-20. We're criticized for supporting pro-American autocratic governments, and that builds anti-American sentiment among the general Islamic population. However, if anti-American dictators had stepped up to fill their respective power voids, they'd be telling their populations to hate the American devils right out. So decades later, after hearing about how evil America is for so long, would the average Muslim in one of those countries think, "Gee, Americans are pretty cool for letting us administer our own governments," or would they think, "Gee, those American devils sure are devils for their capitalism and materialistic ways."?
when they join us in the 21st century and demonstrate some peace between each other and other cultures, only then I'll take them seriously. when they are still stuck in the 13th century and are trying to acquire nuclear weapons thats when we have a serious problem. everyone seems to be there enemy and they do everything in the name of God which makes them a very irrational bunch. im sure there are many great muslims out there... but they are failing to inspire the good people of their country and they have let it spin out of control. i pray everyday that i get to see peace in the middle east before i die. what a day that would be.
I love it!
It is the truth whether people like to admit it or not. I am a Muslim. I love America (my country) but at the same time i don't like the hostility towards Islam, which is mostly instigated by a group of people ( you know who you are.)
Let us live in a free world and believe in God the way we should just like you do through your own religion.
P.S. to all the commentators: – please don't use this as a propaganda tool but just try to open your eyes and understand as if it was you on the other side of the isle.
God, i just love this country. This is the only country where people will argue whether or not people hate them when those people have opinions only they really can know, unless theyre open about their thoughts. oh yeah lol their society won't allow that. I love America.
Pull out of the mid-east. Everything. Business, military, everything,
Develop alternative fuel sources and get rid of oil dependency.
Let them do what they want to do with it.
Or....
Just get rid of religion everywhere and start working together as one planet. Why do we still build fires and grunt at the sky after all this evolution? Pathetic. Religion will destroy us. ALL OF US.
Ok, so they're mad. Christians are mad too and you don't find us going around terrorising the muslims. The sooner they get over it, the better. Act civilized and stop brutalizing their women, beheading people, running around on camels. They are being paid for their oil – so if they want to do something to better themselves, fix their own government so the money that flows to them by the billions, gets to them.
So, Muslims are mad at us because we make them think about the difference between progressive/secular and dogmatic/7th century Islam? A group wants to take the world back to a time of religious wars, beheadings and domination of women and we are supposed to take it? Just imagine the outrage if a Jewish group tried to impose Old Testament justice on America – stone the gays and adulterers. Are we to tolerate such a position from Muslims but not from Jews?
I say fugem. They want us to bend to their will and we will not.
At the time of the 9/11 attacks, i was working in the middle east and it was not a pretty sight, there was widespread celebration on the streets and more. prior to that I had found the people to be very likable and friendly and it was saddening to see how this particular religion seems to bring out the worst in people.
As to the current arab spring, i personally think it s a already poor situation worse. These dictators and monarchies were the only thing that kept these nations one step away from total anarchy or into becoming hostile states like Iran or pakistan. in the country i lived, while the king was progressive(very, very), the people were not and resisted change ferociously and there were more than couple of attempts on his life during my short stay there. Without the stranglehold of these dictatctors, they are all one step way from a islamic state and we all know how thats going to end. An excellent example why democracy is not exactly the right solution for these countries would be where Egypt is currently and the impact the muslim brotherhood is playing a hand in it
Please tell me if I am wrong , in the Muslim bible all Muslims are to have 8 children ,and if any stray from there true beliefs they are ether executed or traded to the Taliban .We are infidels to the Taliban because it says so in there Bible. Holy rules that's all they are.THEY WILL ALWAYS HATE US. EVEN WHEN WE PULL ARE TROOPS OUT THEY WILL STAY AT WAR WITH SOMEONE. IT ALSO OPENS DOORS SO THEY CAN GET THERE OPIUM OUT OF THERE COUNTRY.
CalgarySandy did you read the article? It is not about Christian vs Muslim. Seems like you have a short cut to thinking.
Also, the Temple of Solomon is not mythical. There is plenty of archeological evidence of its existiance and distruction.
Who are these Christian extremeist you speak of in your post. What are their names? Since you refer to them in the plural, there must be several of them or groupls. Please inlighten us with your great wisdom on this issue.
I'll wait for the article about Americans still being mad at Muslims...
Oh wait.. that would make someone other than Americans out to be the bad guys.. guess that article ain't happening.
There is a parallel that most here will likely not see, or will refuse to see, the "culture wars" as defined by Christians in the USA is similiarly a response to the liberal secular views espoused by progressives/liberals in this country and around the world. (Just as it is negatively received in the muslim world, it too is negatively recieved by christians here.) The very same penchant for morals and values that religious peoples cling to, are threatened by the views pushed by the progressives/liberals in this country. The liberals proclaim they're tolerance while venomiously condeming religion.
Speaking plainly, christians and muslims, have a common "enemy" in the views of secular progressives/liberals in this country and around the world, but here's the rub, extremists in the direction of religion in the name of morals and values, can be just as destructive as extremism in the direction of progressives and liberals. The secular laws, are in fact based on the foundations of religious values- even if unacknowledged by the liberals, and the liberal/progressive extremism could destroy civilization as easily as the extremism of religious fanatics.
The key of course is to balance the two views, which of course as a centrist, makes you an "enemy" to both the right and the left of the political extremes. Which is why true centrists can't get elected... We're doomed...
Actually, I'm quite optimistic about the future of humanity, but there will be further trials along the way.
Strange how most of the comments here miss the point of the article, which is quite interesting. The left wing secularists, of the type we have in this country, who want to eradicate religion from the public square, are the cause of this problem. Now, in relation to Islam, many "conservatives" have taken this same view. Because contrary to the hate speech of the atheist left, even conservative Christians in America do not want theocracy. In the Islamic world, according to this article, what the people want is some form of democratic theocracy.
Totally agree!
The article is correct in one aspect: We can never live in peace with the Muslim world as it defines itself today.
Can you think of any religion that has such a violent, repressive minority as does the Muslim religion? The wanton massacre of innocent people by Islamic fundamentalists in the name of Allah is disgusting. I say let Muslims have freedom of religion in a Muslim country. Muslims in this country are nothing but leeches. They will suck until this nation is destroyed. Then they will dance on our graves.
As an American, I have no problem with Islam or Muslims. If that is what you believe, then I completely respect that. If you are a Muslim woman and you agree that you should be oppresed because you are a woman, then again, that is entirely your choice. That is the thing about America, we have choices. Just becasue we live in America does not mean that the citizens agree with the choices our government makes. Personally I think our military should pack up and leave all these countries. I'm not against the soldiers but I am against the war. Quit giving these countries millions of dollars when our own people aren't even taken care of. If the countries can't make it on their own, that is their problem. We can use the money that we would be spending for war to beef up our borders and security. But the first time one of your countries comes over and kills thousands of innocent people, we will hunt you down like a dog and kill you. At least when we are fighting in these countries, we try to keep civilian casualties from happening. If there are casualties, it's because they are trying to protect the terrorists we are after. We don't go to your countries and kill thousands of civilians for no reason. There are leaders in the middle eastern countries that are killing their own people we get involved because what those leaders are doing is wrong not because we are against Islam.
agreed
There's no excuse Islam can make for the rude way It treats It's women.
The next time America's attacked WILL be the last time.
Interesting tale here (about us infringing on their world), but I see things a little differently.
Mainly because their own teachings describe a retaliatory approach in the *most extreme* methods. If we attack them, they are obligated by their own teachings to push us out, cut pieces of our body's off, and claim victory only when we are whipped or surrender completely. In this case we are simply doing the same thing, only in much less dramatic/scaled ways. We are not painting them all as evil, we are seeking only those that sought to hurt us, and punishing them by bringing them to justice. Yet even the most (so called) peaceful Muslims see this as interference in their world – a world we wouldn't be in at all were it not for them not keeping their OWN extremists out of OURS.
Put simply, I wouldn't restrict our movements to root out their extremists when they sit by and protect them.
I am generally a conservative, right-leaning American. Despite this, I can see that while the separation of Church and State is a two way street, the emphasis should be on protecting a SECULAR state from theology-based influence. Our own history, which parallels many of the social and political injustices we see today in the Islamic nations of the world – clearly illustrates that when law is non-secular and divine, oppression of liberty and freedom results. I would no more wish to see the Christian religious-right in a position of strong political influence in the world than the Islamic. Stoning, caning, summary death penalties, and the oppression of women in general are the hallmarks of theistic rule. The west experienced two thousand years of dark ages and religious corruption. America was founded by people trying to escape the religious corruption of the Old World – who simply brought their own stifling codified religious beliefs to the New World. It is only natural we would look at the world of Sharia law and see an unhealthy reflection of a past we have struggled to put behind us – and be opposed to seeing that world-view spread. Religious based rule feels compelled to impose their narrow and conservative dogma on everyone. We see it today in Dubai, do a Google search for "dubai english expatriat arrested" and be shocked at the top results returned. In one of the most progressive and economically-oriented Islamic nations – there are constant conflicts between secular foreigners living their life as we would all agree they should be allowed to and the Sharia Law based legal system of that nation. It isn't that we "impose" an idea that Islamic culture is behind the curve on evolution – it is that Islamic culture IS lagging behind the West on the philosophies of personal liberty and freedom. Socially conservative theological based State rule is simply dangerous. It is a cancer – there is no place for it. It causes war, conflict and oppression. We know, because we've been through it. Muslims want to bring it back. There will always be a huge conflict as long as that remains the case. Let Islam remain angry at America and the West. We do, in fact – stand on the morally high ground in this regard – not as states or nations, but as the people who stand behind concepts of liberty, justice and freedom as embraced by modern Western nations. Our system is not perfect – there are all kinds of injustices and corruptions of our ideals perpetuated by our governments – but the philosophical basis of our perspective of liberty and democracy is superior to the concept of theological Sharia Law. This is evident and absolute. Sharia Law is morally bankrupt.
American undermines Islam and CNN undermines Christianity, are Christians trying to kill CNN staffers?
Perhaps muslims hate americans because you always remind us that our Prophet was 56 when he married a 6 year old, that we enslave women, rob them of protection of the law, limit their travel and prevent them from being educated. Perhaps you should stop reminding us that our core hatred of everyone else is sick, that if we hate others so much we should stop asking for residence in their decadent countries. Then, we would be free to pretend that our religion is one of beauty and peace.
Take a look at the term 'Muslim Countries' – we accept it so readily – all one religion which has stomped out any others within their regions.. What people do not understand is that the Muslim ideal of everyone either converting to Islam or just somehow disappearing – as they have in Muslim Countries – is not a radical marginalized belief, but a core mainstream belief! ALL Muslims of any religious practice at all hold the belief that the whole world will be Islamic one day.
Who cares what a practically stone age culture that stands against independent thought and action whines about?
As long as these cretins hate America, we"re doing something right.
Muslims do not want to assimilate. They want to take over.
They are not here for the noble purposes of our ancesters.
The mistake we make is feeling that we should strive to be liked by Muslims, which implies Muslims all over the world. To do so, we would invariably have to become more like what Muslim culture embraces. Articles like this are thought-provoking, however it glosses over the fact that there are huge problems in most Muslim societies, and that the failures and problems of these societies are almost always attributed to non-Muslim causes, whether internal or external.
Still a great country.
Americans do not profess that it is right to kill innocent people because they do not believe in a certain religion. A significant number of Muslins do. That is a perception issue that Muslims need to deal with. Where are the world's Muslim leaders? Why do they not stand on the world stage and call loudly for peace, tolerance and understanding? Is it because they really want to see the spread of Islam and the destruction of other religions? Islam needs to fix its world reputation. Blaming America won't do that.
The 9-11 attack was planned and set in motion in lands controlled by Muslims. If Muslims truly believe, as you put it, "the 9/11 attacks, and any attacks on civilians, are contrary to Islam", and if Muslims truly believe, as you put it, "Islam is, by definition, meant to be in the public sphere", then why didn't Muslims track down and bring Ben Ladin to justice under their own law?
Why did photos of the Arab street taken immediately after the event show people laughing and dancing in the streets?
When Muslims practice and condone violence they lose their credibility.
If you notice carefully, this article does not bother to include American Muslims. You would think they could have been included in the article... Or that the wording used would not exclude American Muslims from the article. Yet by setting American as opposite of Muslim, as the author does many times here, they are used to set polarity and not give us a picture of Muslims... Better wording would have been to focus in on those Muslims where the U.S. has been involved with their foreign politics. This article certainly isn't representative of all Muslims.
I will be one of the Americans who will brush off the accusation that we are trying to undermine Islam. AMERICA did NOT conduct the Crusades, the British did. America, in fact, fought, and won, a war to break away from England. So why hold America responsible for something that happened hundreds of years before we were ever a country? Perhaps the focus should be directed more towards the Christian Faith, rather than at people. That faith spreads fear mongering world-wide. Many Americans, myself included, are not Christian. It's Christians, I find, that feel as though their faith is the one being under-minded, therefore they are being more bigoted and mean-spirited than ever. They need a good dose of it for their own good, considering how destructive their beliefs have been for centuries.
Just like all relgions... it brings people down. Why do so many people need to "believe" in order to live right?
its only a matter or time until the Muslims attack north korea for something stupid and korea says f-u and just bombs and goes to war with them and hopefully they will take care of them for good. then lets just hope people quit practicing that religion for good. thats what needs to happen. that religion just needs to die out and no one follow it. what good as it ever done.
Next, let's see an article about why Americans despise Islam. What's to like about a religion that promotes 7th century ignorance, harbors and breeds terrorists, routinely abuses and subjugates women and mutilates young girls and whose followers danced in the streets around the world on 9/11?
Many Americans have no idea about Islam. The muslims they know are probably the ones that flew into the twin towers on Sep 11th. Or they find some other source of information that reinforces there point of view. They have never read the Quran, yet they can quote what the Quran says. They view all Islam like it is run like Saudi Arabia. They have never been to a Mosque, but they know what happens in a Mosque. The media does not have a clue either which reiforces their views, and politicians use it as a political tool- Hence the "ground zero mosque"- how funny that the topic dissapeared after election season. Than you have Christians who never read the bible, and take things out of context, and blame all of the religion of Islam for things some Muslims have taken out of context. Time to get out of your holes.
If they are so mad at America, then why dont they just go back to the desert they came from. no one asked for them to come here.. If I moved to Russia and i hated it, then why would i stay? it makes no since.. this country doesnt want you, doesnt need you so just go back to the Islamic world of 1453 and take your damn family with you.
Your an idiot.
No, I'd say you're the idiot. Why come to a country and then complain enough to try to remake that country in your homelands image? They're trying to take over, as openly stated by many of their mainstream clerics, that Islam and sharia law will be the ruling force, instead of whatever secular or government is in place currently.
more moral relativist, cultural apologist, liberal BS. I am so sick of this notion of "their culture isn't 'wrong'; its just different". that is a load of crap! if your holy book says women have no rights and that converting to another faith deserves the death penalty, you are not different... you are WRONG!
we're talking about a population where only about 15% can read. and these illiterate Muslim a**clowns follow whatever the "learned clerics" tell them the Koran says, because they are unable to read it themselves. so instead of looking at their religion objectively and then making their decisions based on facts, they go with whatever knee-jerk reaction they are told at the mosque is appropriate.
this is why the Muslim clerics hate Western civilization and influence! because they know that if the general Muslim population as a whole became educated, they would be extinct.
BTW, one fact to mention: the US was not involved in the Crusades; we didn't even exist back then, dumba**es!!
You guys are pathetic. Muslims, are not all bad. Some make poor choices.. You guys need to listen to your self before you speak. And Allah is not a devil. Allah means God in Arabic.. So, shut your mouths before you speak. #somepeoplearesostupid
Muslims are not mad at America....just the extremists are. the US has done and continues to do a lot of good for the world....more that any crappy muslim nation has ever tried. I'm muslim and even I know that.
I think this article makes some good sense. If I were living in a Muslim country, I'd also feel oppressed and coerced by the USA and the West. I've long been aware of the hypocracy of the West in terms of promoting democratic ideals while yet controlling how the people plan and establish and run their governments in the Muslim world. The path for this area of the world must be different from the West's, because these people have a different cultural and religious background. The solution will look and be different for them, but what matters is that the solution leads to peace and stability.
I think the USA and the West have overstepped their responsibilities in the Muslim world. We should step in to defend the defenseless and the oppressed inasmuch as it is a matter of international concern (e.g. genocide, one country non-consensually occupying another, gross crimes against humanity (such as in the Holocaust)), but it is not our place to step in and control the overthrow of governments in the east to work the outcome in favor of our own ideals of governance against the will of the local people. Sure, help guide them in setting up their new governments, but do not tell them what sort of government to set up or what moral system to base those governments on. Ours is based on Judeo-Christian values, which the Muslims are not. Therefore, a government based on Judeo-Christian values will not work for them.
What about why Americans are still mad at Muslims. They kill Americans then claim it is because of_____ (insert everything you can think of here). I am sorry if its not PC, I am still angry for what they did to my country. Call them the radical part of a sect. I don't really care. We have done everything we can including bowing down to them..(thanks Obama for that disgrace) and they still claim America is the evil one in this scenario. No more kissing butt and bowing down. Hold your heads up and be proud of your country (for once in your adult lives..Thanks to the other Obama for that disgrace).
Muslims are not mad at America but in fact certain religous groups and many organization in America try very hard to harm Islam in any ways they can. however they never succeded and this hatred encourage Americans to know and learn the truth about the Islam and muslims. As muslims I love America more than American love America.
This is a very thoughtful, and thought-provoking article. More than I expected from CNN, honestly.
When it comes to the Muslim/Christian discussion, both sides are certainly guilty of one thing – equivocating. It takes guts to really want to understand both sides.
We need a lot more investigative journalism into what they DO, not what they say. Judge them by their actions, or lack of action, honestly and with courage to speak the truth. Helping them cover-up what they believe with some kind of historical 'lens' is a cop-out.
The only conflict that arises between Muslims and America is when you have people on television whether they are politicians or pundits bashing the religion or stating false claims about it. That is the premier reason that Muslims will have against America even though it is wrong to spread the blame on an entire country because of a few bad apples.
As for the conflict described in the article, the main division is with Middle Easteners and America, nothing that involves the religion. It just so happens that many of these areas that involves a deep US interest falls in Muslim majority countries. The people in these countries are mainly angry at the rulers which probably have the support of the US. Therein, the animosity is spread to the US because of its stature in the World as the only super power and a model for humanity. But if you lend a helping hand, the tide in that country will change rapidly. But it has to be an act that has an enormous effect after this many years.
As for those claiming all Muslims hate America: first, the entire world has a negative image of the U.S. Second, there are a ton of oddballs within this country that distrust this country, so I wouldn't label Muslims.
one more thing:
Allah just sucked my d***! He's gay! I have photos!
1.3 billion potential Islamic terrorists
28 August 2011
Folks,
In this world, at this time, there are approximately 1,300,000,000 people of the Islamic faith. In the past, there has been a Caliph, an almost supreme Islamic leader. Right now, there is no Islamic equivalent of the Catholic Pope, one single, (supposedly) infallible, religious leader to be a final decider. If these Islamic people follow their own strict interpretation of their religion, they could all become what we call Islamic terrorists, people who are willing to use terrorist techniques and to die to kill people not of Islamic faith. In their religion and in their eyes, this is their duty. And if they die doing their duty, they go right to heaven. It is written in the Quran, God’s word spoken to Muhammad, written in Arabic (no translations), not subject to debate and modification. It is law.
The focus is on Israel, but Israel is not the only country or group of people that the Islamics would attack. If you are not Islamic, you are the “unfaithful”, the enemy of Islam. Period.
Do not take my word for it. Do your own research. I have no desire to become an Islamic scholar.
Consider the list of international Islamic terrorist attacks that you are familiar with: 911 in New York, Pennsylvania, and DC (USA), US embassies (Africa), USS Cole bombing, the failed underwear bomber (over Atlantic Ocean), the London metro bombings (England), the Madrid metro bombings (Spain), the attack on a Moscow theater that held children hostage (Russia), the attack against Mumbai Opera House (India), attacks against Xinjiang Province (China). No one is immune.
Reasoning will NOT work. This behavior is part of the Islamic religion. Nation building will NOT work. Look at Iraq, Afghanistan. Withdrawal will NOT work. We need their oil, sand, and camel dung. The only thing that will work is to “Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick”.
Sad to see that 10 years after 911, so many people in America and around the world still do not understand the nature of the Islamic threat to peace.
Respectfully,
Tom Johnson
Largo, FL, USA
opinionscribe.blogspot.com
Who the heck gives a flying crap if muslims are mad at America. I am soooooooo freaking sick and tired of them always complaining about everything. Everyone has to tip toe around them because they bring up the race card with every issue. They could shoot someone, get arrested and say they were only arrested because they were muslim. If they don't like it they can feel free to go back to the damn middle east. I am tired of them trying to push their religion down our throats. GET OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.
The roots of problems are not religion, the roots of problems are power and Money. Nowadays most people inculding some muslims and non muslims use Islam and other religion as weapons and tools to kill inncent people in the name of Islam or other religions. Islam is a beautiful religion. Go to the source and gain knowledge and remove the hatred and never let those people to succeed and win.
all guys who comment here are jobless, stupid and lazy you will find most of them still living with there parents
All religious extremism is wrong. Extremist Christians, are just as dangerous as Extremist Muslims. The Extremist Christians seek to subjugate society using political parties, while Extremist Muslims use jihadist terrorist. The end game is the same for both. Control and subjugation of anyone with a different view than theirs.
Mainstream Christians and Muslims alike, need to get their extremist factions under control, or face the backlash that will be generated by the short sighted actions of these extremist groups. Al Quaeda, and the Tea Party are the same terrorist, on opposite sides of the same theological argument. God is Love, not hatred, you morons.
CNN, you do know it's 9/11 coming up? And you put this story up about Islam mad at America!!!!
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I am a muslim and I love America. And An Indian (India) you are an idiot.
to those haters with their ignorant comments regarding muslims and Islam... continue watching Jersy shore, politics and religion are above your intelligence level.
Will non-violent Muslims ever address these passages from the Quran? Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
Many Christians that oppose the secularization of their society as well. Perhaps CNN can write a few enlightening pieces about that.
I just had a quick comment for the author. He mentioned many things that America is doing that are causing misunderstanding. I think He conveniently skipped the Largest US embassies in the world being built in IRAQ and Pakistan. I did not mention Afghanistan since the whole country serves as a US Embassy. Not mention of the BASES being built in Afghanistan and IRAQ. No Mention of the people that were killed and still being killed by our troops and policies. The BASE ironically translates to Al-Qaeda in Arabic!!!!
Most of America couldn't care less.
There you go. If you're mad you can get glad.
We are here.
The Muslim religion is a violent religion. "Convert or die", "Honor Killings", the killing of gays, etc, etc....Sounds very loving and peaceful, does't it? This is a religion that is speading though fear and intimidation. Why is it that we never hear of the Muslim community condemming any of the acts of terrorism? It's either fear, or they approve of it. We have lost a lot of good men trying to help the people in Iraq form some kind of government. What a waste! They have been killing each other for thousands of years. This will never change. Pull out, and let them continue to do what they do best.
I wonder if there will be a complimentary article about how the Islamic world doesnt understand the US? I mean, doesnt it go both ways? Why is everything the US's fault? Arent muslims guilty of not understanding our POV? Most Americans want muslims to have their faith, live good pious lives based on their religon but also want them to be democratic and adhere to common rights an philosiphies that improve each individuals quality of life. If muslims dont want to live like that maybe its them that need start listening to the rest of the world.
Muslims are a weak conquered people. After all, that is how most of their people became Muslims in the first place. It is no more a religion than Mormonism, but rather a cult stuck in the 7th century. Muhammad was a thug that killed people if they did not convert. This cult needs to be destroyed by any means necessary for the future of humans on this small world.
@mike, you need to understand what/who triggered that.
@Havildar, I do agree with you. There are numerous Hindus, Hindu organizations & political parties who harbor right-wing thoughts and values. I deplore them and wish them all failures. Again I will ask the same question to you who/what caused that. But I agree that's no excuse. We need stop those extreme forces as they will not help the cause and will aggravate the issue further.
However, my point is an individual subscribing to extreme values (or a small group of people) is a very different issue than a system producing the fundamentalists year after year from innocent individuals. You know what has happened in South Asia in last millennium, you know whats happening in England (and probably Germany) now. Across the globe Muslims are on war path with the humanity (or existing civilization) ..South Asia, America, Russia, China, France, United Kingdom, Indonesia, Lebanon. Why? Please note my goal is not to spread hatred here but to ask a valid question.
We have to "get over it" and take responsbilities for our own actions, not play the boring US blame-game. Young people increasingly don't want to waste their lives "being mad" and "hateful!"
4,062 likes, 113 dislikes .. Those of you who BUY the Offical 911 explanations are now the minority.
Very good article. I think it parallels America's own internal struggle, with half of us claiming a we're secular nation and the other half claiming we're a Christian nation. Those desiring Sharia law there are like those desiring Biblical law here (e.g. outlaw abortion and gay marriage, reintroduce prayer and Biblical teaching in schools, toss out evolution, etc.)
If we all held the same religious convictions, theocracies may not be a problem... but we don't. As long as we have religious differences (and we will) we either need to divide our land by religion, or have a secular government that tries to keep its nose out of it.
Personally, I think our founding fathers made the right call and I'm proud to be a part of it, but we STILL struggle with the separation of church and state.
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A question I have for you "9/11Truthers":
Given that the government (U.S. or Israel or Russia or ... well, you can pick) did orchestrate the plane attacks, in order to control demolish WTC 7 ~ to what end?
I've heard it was to take control of the global oil supply, but if so, that has miserably failed.
We have certainly shown incredible restraint in our new Crusade, given this perfectly designed stage play to paint Muslims in a color that would support genocide against them.
Or maybe there was some daunting secret that was being housed in WTC 7 about Bush, Sr. that Jr. (who interestingly enough is at the same time a monkey and a super genius) just had to rid world of to finally gain daddy's approval?
So, please, what is the end game for this manipulation?
"On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong. Al Qaeda is quite unpopular."
What facts does CNN have to support this claim?
Unless America falls under Sharia Law, all muslims are obligated to make war with the 'infidels' and conquer, not convert them, until the whole world is under a caliphate or Sharia Law.
Having a muslim in the WH as president is a good start. He's done more damage than any terrorist attack on American soil could have ever done.
"There are reasons to believe that this effect was al Qaeda’s intended goal of the 9/11 attacks. By provoking America into military action against Muslim targets, al Qaeda hoped to revive the age-old narrative of the crusading West and to drive the Muslim people into the arms of al Qaeda’s vision of a purely traditional Islamic society devoid of liberal or Western elements." Christopher Hitchens believes that this kind of apologia for Al Qaeda by liberals is pernicious: http://www.slate.com/id/2303013/ The fact is EXACTLY the opposite. Al Qaeda's goal was to drive America out of the Middle East so that the Caliphate could be restored. This article is 180 degrees off from the truth.
"At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion."
But Sharia law does not permit freedom of religeon and calls directly for the death of those who refuse to accept the teachings of the prophet and it calls for believers to topple governments that are not founded on Sharia law... While I believe many American muslims are conflicted between what their faith teaches and the freedom they enjoy in America...there is no doubt that many Muslims in the world are less conflicted...it is our freedom to chose whatever religeon we wish and a secular government, and the teachings of their faith that requires them to hate us...I have read the Koran several times...the conclusion is always the same.
They hate us because when they hold their annual Al-Qaeda BBQ, they make some speeches about death to America and then they unveil their new jihadist RAP VIDEO. We are inside their minds already and they can't get us out. No matter what they do, their kids are watching Lady GaGa videos and drinking Coke©.
Obama should imbrace Islam so we can live in peace. Shria law is a must in America in order for there to be peace in America and the world.
Very well said. May Allah bring you peace and prosperity DR. Zaheef
First off, "Dr", learn to spell (embrace, not imbrace); secondly, we already have a system of law in this Nation, thank you very much, we do not need another. If you would like to practice Sharia, there are a number of other countries in which it is the law of the land...feel free to relocate to any one of them at your earliest opportunity with your firend Saheed. You want peace, stop trying to convert me and my country.
Gotta tell you, I'm not too terribly concerned if the Muslims are mad at us or not. I don't believe anything we do at this point is going to win them over so why should we care.
I'm not going to make a statement of opinion, I'm simply going to direct those interested in reading what the Quran says to these passages. You decide for yourselves what Islam teaches. Chapters (Surahs): 2:191; 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
I'm not going to make a statement of opinion, I'm simply going to direct those interested in reading what the Quran says to these passages. You decide for yourselves what Islam teaches. Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
Back in 2001, before the events of 9/11, I had the opportunity to go to Jordan and Dubai to conduct training seminars. The most common question I was asked outside of the training environment was "Why does America hate us so much?" So when we look at why Muslims are mad at America, we have to look at why they think we hate them.
Part of the reason is our unconditional support for everything Israel has done since 1949. No matter what they did during the Reagan, and both Bush administrations, we never said anything. When they did anything during the Clinton and Obama administrations and we tried to discuss it with them, they claimed it was their problem to deal with. Whenever a sanction is brought up against Israel in the UN Security Council – we veto it. We are also generally one of the few voices that will vote against any UN General Assembly resolution against Israel, too, despite whatever justification the resolution may have.
The other problem we have that demonstrates our "hatred" of the Muslim world is our continued financial and military support of governments that use what we have provided to suppress freedom in their countries. Now that "Arab Spring" has arrived, we are suddenly finding ourselves having to deal with the same people that we previously agreed to call Terrorists by request of those same governments. All of this was a legacy of the Cold War when we supported those governments to keep the Soviet Union from doing the same.
Also, between 1800 and the end of World War 2, whenever we felt the need to protect "American Interests" we would send the Navy to bombard their coastal defenses, then send in the Marines to do whatever our interests desired. Once Britain, France and Spain started to exercise "colonial authority" over those countries, we supported the colonizers' actions, despite the effects on the local populations.
So if you want to find out why the Muslim world is still mad at us, just look at the examples I showed above. Our own history shows our "hatred" of people in the Middle East. Getting back to my pre-9/11 trip, I did everything I could to show that not all Americans were that way. I sat and ate with them. I dealt with them on their level. I provided a private area for prayer at lunch time. In all, I refused to act like an "American" dealing with foreigners while there. Instead, I acted like a human being dealing with other human beings.
Find an on-line version of the Quran, and read the following passages. You decide for yourselves what Islam teaches. Chapters (Surahs): Chapter 2, verse 191 (2:191); 2:193; 3:118; 4:75&76; 5:33, 8:12; 8:65; 9:5; 9:73&123; 33:60-62.
A little generalization in the headlines, don't ya think?
To understand Muslims, you must ONLY read the following paragraph from this article:
Muslims tend to view current events through the lens of a long-standing historical narrative. According to this narrative, going back to the Middle Ages Christian forces from the West have persistently sought to break the grip of Islam on its people. By holding fast, Muslims believe, they were able to flourish as a civilization, at times superseding the West in many dimensions.
Right there in that paragraph, in black and white it says most Muslims live their lives in the MIDDLE AGES!!! They DO NOT want to assimilate into American life – THEY WANT US TO ASSIMILATE TO THEIR IDEOLOGY!!! THEY WANT US TO BEND AND TWIST OUR LAWS AND BELIEFS TO ACCOMODATE THEM!!! WE ARE THE ONES WHO THE MEDIA ALWAYS PORTRAYS AS BEING INDIFFERENT! NO, WE ARE NOT INDIFFERENT – WE SIMPLY LIVE IN THE 21ST CENTURY, NOT IN THE MIDDLE AGES!!! AND IF THEY CAN NOT HANDLE IT, THEN THEY ARE FREE TO GO BACK TO THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES AND LIVE IN CAVES IF THEY WANT TO! THE UNITED STATES BECAME GREAT BECAUSE EVERYONE WHO CAME HERE ASSIMILATED TO THE LAWS LAID OUT BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS – THEY WANTED TO LIVE THEIR LIVES BY THE LAWS OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS – THEY DID NOT COME HERE TO MAKE AMERICA LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM!!!
MUSLIMS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE UNITED STATES – AND THAT IS THEIR PROBLEM, NOT OURS!! THEY HAVE TO WORK IT OUT FOR THEMSELVES, OR LEAVE!!!
Muslims oppose the United States because it is a non-Muslim hyperpower, which flies in the face of Islamic doctrine that Islam will dominate the world. Everything derives from that. When the US judge questioned Zacarias Moussaoui, the wannabe skyjacker, why he wanted to attack the US, he stated that Islam should be the hyperpower, not America.
The assertion that Muslims objected to the Sep 11 attacks and Al Qaeda is flatly false. Muslims celebrated them as reports from all over the world confirm. Their newspapers were full of joyous stories extolling the attacks.
Osama Bin Laden was no longer the leader of Al Qaeda, He wasn't directing them , only a mere symbol to cause.
Muslims dislike Obama now, He's invaded another Muslim country , fighting WITH the actual Al Qaeda members that we are supposed to be fighting worldwide. The very club of loonies that we justified fighting on Muslim soil over.
Libyan btw are majorially anti America and anti west. This is mainly because of european empirialism, since it was european countries that colonized every inch of the middle east at one point or the other.
Steven Kull isjust making up facts as he goes along.
All the polls show that MOST Muslim support Al Qaeda attacks on the west. This is no secret , it's not debatable.
The exception is Muslims in the USA, where they will most certainly get arrested if they professed such a view.
I know a lot of people are stocking ammunition. Guess why.911. The Muslims had better wake up and know the people and the many cultures of the USA. It's not just the government they need to worry about any more. The few have made the many look bad in the eyes of a lot of victims. NOTE: I was born of Christian parents, have American Indian in my blood-line, but raised by Arabs. Don't tell me about knowing the culture of either side, unless you do a few more years of research.
For the record, as an American, I'm pretty mad at Muslims too. For much of my youth, I saw America humiliated by Iran. As an adult, I saw the Muslim attack on 9/11. As an old man, I expect to see multiple Nuclear Armed Muslim countries kill millions of people in my life time. Since we are being honest, I'll say, "It hurts me when you blow stuff up."
I personally don't want to see Muslims, have Muslims live in America, or allow Muslims to enjoy any product of American culture. To quote Kipling, "East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet."
Superb piece. I have a few minor quibbles, particularly with the assertion that Muslims have some special propensity for conspiracy theories. Ever heard of the JFK assassination? Fascinated the U.S. imagination for at least 40 years, probably still does, even though it's pretty clear Oswald acted alone.
Again, a minor quibble, otherwise very important reading. I can only hope a lot of people read it and are engaged by it, and go further to call for the U.S. to get our military out of the Middle East already.
"But perhaps most fundamentally, America’s relationship is most likely to improve as it comes to understand, accept and embrace the whole of Muslim society and the course of development that it has chosen for itself. Muslims believe that they are on a different path than the West."
Fine. Let them go down their path. Let them remain backward, illiberal and ill-educated. But keep it within the confines of the Muslim world. Do not expect Western societies to accept and embrace the dictates of their religious laws. And don't expect us to stand by idly when jihadis try to force that law on those who want no part of it nor when Muslim states attack their non-Muslim and/or secular neighbors. I hope "Muslim society" understands it has little to offer the rest of the world. One day the industrialized world will develop energy sources that will make fossil fuels obsolete. I hope "Muslim society" understands the ramifications of that.
As to other complaints: if they don't like "western cultural products," don't import or buy them. And as for the size and reach of the US military, learn to live with it because we're not going anywhere. And they should probably give thanks to Allah for that one because whatever vacuum we create will be filled by others far less desirable.
Why Americans are still mad at Islam:
This article.
The reason Muslims don't like us is they didn't kill enough of us on 9-11. Basically .... Who gives a rat's butt if they like us or not.
Jesus said we would be hated because of him.America was founded on christian values until the empire took control.muslim's ultimate goal is the united states of islam.To bad the govt. sold us out for money.Now the pc police are posioning the country.And 9-11 was caused by Imperial stormtroopers.Open your eyes.
For the republic!
I think Mr Kull has only reiterated what many have been saying for years. It is a clash of cultures. Western secular democracy and Islamic theocratic government are not compatible with each other. We believe in freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the rule of law. They do not accept any such rights. These two systems will always be in conflict with each other.
With government control of the presses and the miserable economic conditions in most Muslim lands, it is always easy for leaders there to drum up outrage against the West, but if you haven't noticed there is a whole lot of anger going the other way these days.
When do we see the in depth study asking "Why are Americans so angry at Muslims?"
America must embrace Islam as its future, most muslims are not terrorists, unless provoked. All people want to live in peace ,prosper and have beautiful wife to sleep with. We move to america to improve country and make job for american people. Allah loves all believers, america must start to believe. Obama is a good start but there is lots of work left.
Americans could never hate Muslims as bad as Muslims hate Muslims. Not by a country mile. Saudi Arabia, for example, hates half of all Muslims just on the basis of gender, and they hate a substantial number of the rest because they don't hate their women enough. Sorry, but what they practice is disgusting, and to insist that American carry the onus of "understanding" that or seeing things through their eyes is to give legitimacy to the idea that women should be treated worse than how Americans treat their dogs. Sorry, but I believe the onus is on the world's Muslims to see a few things through our eyes. And if they don't want to, if they don't want to come to some sort of existential understanding with the values of America? Then they can bring it if they're hard enough. But rest assured, we will kill another couple hundred thousand of their sons and not lose sleep over it. And it won't matter one iota that they are Muslim. That won't be why we're killing them. We will be killing them for one reason only: beating the murderous jackals to the punch.
And why are you still writing? Obviously you're too stupid to make a distinction between a few terrorists and over one BILLION Muslims.. almost 100% of whom are NOT angry at the US. If they are angry, you are an imbecile.
All Muslims are Anglophobic. Muslim propaganda promulgates fear and hatred of Americans.
Islamic Law has only one definition for terrorism: The killing of a Muslim by a non-Muslim. So when a Muslim says they are againt terrorism – that is what they mean. The 9/11 attacks aren't terrorism according to Islamic law. Not to say that makes all Muslims violent or supporters of violence, but you need to consider what words really mean in this context.
I would like to ask only one thing to any muslim who argue that islam is religion of peace. Well, show me one place in world were islam has shown control and lead peaceful way. One person who secrificed him self against terrorism. One country where killing did not happen to spread islam. One place in entire world...One figure in history...Fact is that islam is excellent relion followed by premature people.
Maybe they're upset by the fact that every single enemy soldier, tens of thousands more than the innocents we lost on 9/11, are all Muslims. It wound appear by the rivers of Islamic blood we have created, that we are at war with Islam. On the surface.
poor little muslims are mad at americans are they ?! too f...... bad for them ! the angry little muslims in america can just go back to their motherland and the ones abroad can stay over where they are and fume all they want .
gee wiz ! what about all of the free world [ that pretty much includes americans too] that are angry with the muslims that kill everybody but themselves and quite often kill themselves too [ including innocent women and children] !!!
All we want to do is live. Take care of your own business and no other country will try to do it for you. The problem is you can't or won't. So are we supposed to sit around waiting to be killed? We don't want to run your countries but if you can't we will try to install something fashioned after what's worked for us although we should be looking at what would work for you. Would you prefer Ghadaffi? I can't imagine you prefer being led by the Talibutts. They, along with Al Qaeda, are the ones causing you the heartache of us being in your countries which causes plenty of un-wanted heartaches of our own. Funny that a religious group hates a country.
"This leads naturally to the elevation of individual freedoms and the emergence of democratic principles that make the will of the people the basis of the authority of law rather than revealed religious principles."
You forget that "revealed religious principles" actually promote individual freedom and the will of a righteous people. Remember that what most people think of as "religious principles", or religion, are out of harmony with God (Isaiah 29:13). That is the mistake of almost everyone that thinks religion is somehow a hinderance to society and a peaceful world. What they think of as religion is really just the precepts of men couched in religious and scriptural language. If we all practiced revealed religion there would be no conflict.
Who are we kidding? Islam is the world's most intolerant religion, and no amount of sensitivity or concessions by the West will ever be enough to please Muslims. So toxic is the religion that liberal Muslims are essentially regarded as infidels, while conservative Muslims are, for all intents and purposes, animals. What we CAN do is dilute Islam while ensuring that Muslims have as little influence as possible in the world. That is our best hope.
The more pertinent question is: why should Americans appease muslims? Why is there no analysis of their 7th century nonsense beliefs to explain their illogical thinking, bizarre and violent behavior?
There is an answer for the West. Develop alternative energy and get the 'ell out of the Middle East and stay out. Without oil, the Middle East is a giant cat litter box.
Allow M'zlms to live as they choose, under the tyranny of their bogus religion, and we will live as we choose in a society with the freedom to practice whatever religion we wish, or not practice any religion at all.
As much as I can understand some of the frustration of M'zlms regarding our interferences, the fact is that their religion is too easily twisted to justify events like 9/11. It has not been a religion of peace and tolerance since the entrance of Mohammad in the 400's, and it has never evolved to keep in line with the modern world.
I'zlm is a cult with a 4th century mindset and access to 21st century weapons. It's expanse is a threat to the entire world.
the palestine issue had done permanent damage of US image in the muslim world. With US backing, why does peace still cant be achieved there?? last time hey blame arafat as the obstacle, now what?? I'm sorry to say it here; US had indirectly contributed to the creation of he largest open prison the the planet. where the prisoner are the palestinian, while their motherland had been aken away, they are humiliated, prisoned and accused as terrorist, of course; you 'll do what they do if your country is taken away from you right?
They can always leave and go back to the third-world country they came from.
So we can profile muslims here but not in airports? Can you say :"double standard"?
At the root of Muslim "anger" is a fundamentally flawed ideology. When one separates the abrogated verses of the Qur'an from the remaining "revelations", the ahadith and the four recognized schools of Islamic juriprudence, it is clear that Islam is the only "religion" that commands the faithful to conduct (physical) jihad and, when conquered, offer unbelievers three choices: submit (and pay the jizya), convert or be killed. This "world view" insures a perpetual state of "anger" until such time as the ultimate goal of Islam is achieved – world domination. And even if only 10% of the faithful pro-actively pursue this goal, that "small minority" adds up to an army of 150 million.
The story's opening premise that "Muslim are still mad at America" is deeply and tragically flawed, since it implies that Muslims in general were mad enough at America to knock down the world trade center.
Muslim "anger" is rooted in a fundamentally flawed ideology. When one separates the abrogated verses from the remaing "revelations", it is very clear that the Qur'an, ahadith and the four schools of Islamic jusiprudence, unlike every other religion, command the faithful to commit (physical) jihad and offer the conquered infidels three choices: submit (pay the jizya) convert or be killed. A state of "perpetual anger" will exist until such time as the ultimate goal of Islam is achieved – world domination. And even if only 10% pro-actively pursue this "Islamic worldview" that is an army of a "tiny minority" of 150 million.
CNN – why are you publishing such news ? In the mainstream media, I am now regularly seeing news favoring Islam and muslims in general. Looks like the media has decided to hold the islamic terrorists up and sing and praise them. STOP PUBLISHING SUCH BIASED ARTICLES TRYING TO SWAY PEOPLES OPINIONS. We know muslims are violent lot and they are in their rightful place – like in somalia and afghanistan and pakistan – warring, bombing each other. DONT TRY TO PUSH FALSE AGENDA ONTO PEOPLE. BE RESPONSIBLE !
Muslims like to play victim or martyrs but, what about crimes against Christians in Arabian countries? Muslims play nice just because they can't slip your throat. But wait, just wait!
"Since to Muslims Islam is, by definition, meant to be in the public sphere"–that about says it all. Add the majority who want public laws to be government by shariah, and conversion to other religions banned, and that is reason enough to ban Muslim immigration. Let them live in their own countries and leave ours alone. Islam is incompatible with western notions of freedom and democracy.
We're still one up on them; at least we don't kill unarmed citizens en masse and unprovoked. Pull the hell out and let them all kill each other. As far as I'm concerned, good riddance. The United States owes no apology to anyone, even though our idiot President feels a need to do so. We have every right to defend ourselves and after 9/11, I certainly wouldn't put a lot of faith in that group. After all, if they're so against the violence perpetrated against the US, why wasn't there a larger outcry from the Muslims here in the US?
Muslims are still mad at pretty much everything. I'd be shocked if America were the exception to the rule.
There are more than 700 different Muslim sects and denominations (compared to 950 different Christian ones). To think the 'Muslim community' is a single thing is another indication that the Westerners aren't paying attention.
Who do you think is fighting each other in Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan?
The Pope in the Vatican does not speak for all Christians. No Islamic person speaks for all Islam.
Yes, Americans are so closed-minded. We welcome you to our country, along with your culture, your religion, and your koran. You are free to roam about this country unattended, you may hand out your religious literature, you may preach in out streets. But if you have come here to kill us, we don't have a problem killing you and those that sent you. If only I had such freedom in your muslim countires. Perhaps I'm just closed minded.
Some of my friends in america are muslims and they are great as human beings ,Its all propaganda against muslims .I got authentic holy Koran translation and i bet everyone reading it will be impressed
Muslims like to play victim or martyrs but, what about crimes against Christians in Arabian countries? Muslims play nice just because they can't slip your throat. But wait, just wait...
Islam is incompatible with Western values and democratic forms of government. Kull's own admission that huge majorities of Muslims believe that it should be illegal to convert out of Islam and that Sharia law must dominate is proof. Americans understandably revile Islamic imperialism and reject the accusation that self-defense against Islamic imperialism is an attack on Islam. Muslims see themselves as victims when in fact they are the perpetrators.
Muslims like to play victim or martyrs but, what about crimes against Christians in Arabian countries? Muslims play nice just because they can't slip your throat. But wait, just wait and the sun will rise!
The United States is the world's biggest producer of disinformation against Islam and Muslims. The Norway attacker was inspired by American hatemongers. While scaring the good American people of Islam and demonizing Muslims, US governments have embarked on war based on deceit, like the unwarranted invasion of Iraq. Afghanistan has become CIA's biggest base of operations in the world, spreading terror and chaos in Afghanistan itself, neighboring Pakistan, Iraq and western China. US soldiers have been involved in enormous rights violations and killings in Iraq, Afghanistan and recently Pakistan. In just one incident in Fall 2006, CIA drones killed up to 80 underage boys and girls studying Quran in a school attached to a mosque. No terrorists or HVTs were killed. The only reason US targeted the kids is because the school was owned by a family member of one of the fiercest Afghan resistance fighters opposed to the US occupation of his country.
After all these achievements, the US propaganda machine uses US media to ask the same dumb question again and again: Why do Muslims hate America?
As an Arab-American, I agree with of the ideas and points raised in this essay. But the author forgets the biggest issue of all: U.S support for Israel despite all of the injustices commited by that country. Members of the intelligentsia might see the U.S from these complex ideological and historical points of view, but for the average citizen of Islamic majority countries, it really comes down to support for Israel. Drop U.S support for Israel and you will have people cheering "USA, USA!" in streets from Marrakesh to Jakarta.
This does not account for the terror rockets, the bus bombings, the 3 lost wars against Israel, because above all things, they are different than their neighbors. The Israeli's are not doing this to themselves. The absolute rage that the muslim world cannot exterminate them far exceeds their complaints against them. Simplisitic, surely, truthful, I think so.
Lots of comments here. Personally I could care less why Muslims don't like Americans. The feeling is Mutual–The sooner they all go somewhere that I don't have to listen to or read their rhetoric the better.
Islam is backwards on a cultural scale and it is also backwards on the economic scale and the political scale. If the people of Islam are on a different path, it is one of their own choosing. The West has taken religion out of politics and it has nothing to do with America's presence in the middle east. Oil is what pulls the rest of the world to the middle east, and by and large the West doesn't interfere, all it wants is oil, and relations with whoever will sell them the oil. It is wrong for Muslims to expect America to export democracy or try to enforce it in Muslim societies. Ataturk saw that Islam was incompatible with a modern culturally diverse society as Sharia law and other aspects of Muslim culture are not compatible with rational law derived from the will of the people. Their is no freedom of the press in Islamic countries, and there is no freedom of religion either. Their culture is very foreign to westerners and to be honest, extremely primative to western values. In effect, America is not Islam's problem, Islam's problem is how to meet the West or the East in a non-antagonistic way. If all they want to do is convert the rest of the world to their religion, then we don't want to engage them. All the rest of the world is interested in is free trade, the rest is entirely up to them to work out for themselves. But they are so uneducated in the ways of the modern world that rational thought is not a big part of Muslim civilization, there has been no Islamic version of the age of Enlightenment which undermined religious authority in the West. Muslims have no idea how oppressive their view of things is to a Westerner, oppressive and backwards.
Speaking very simply, you would think by now that the Muslim population would see that around 6 to 7 thousand Americans have died on and after 9/11, and hundreds of thousands of muslims have died as a result...The odds seems stacked against their dogma and initial backing of the dark horses among them. For a culture that was instrumental in Math.. they aren't doing too well.
More people in the world throughout time have been killed in the name of God- any God- than for any other reason, except possibly due to fear and intolerance of someone different. "God/mother nature" doesn't discriminate- only Man does. It is astounding to read how much hatred written here is fueled by fear, ignorance, or religious belief. An American doesn't have a standard skin color, hair texture, religion, culture, language, food, or body type. For those of you who do not like what I've written, there is no need to call me names or insult me. I have laid my life on the line for my country and have an Honorable Discharge from the military and I am college educated. When my kids ask me what I want for my birthday, I always say, " I want man to stop killing each other. I want wars to stop." We all have red blood, need air to breathe and food to eat. We all need the Earth.
It is pointless to examine why Muslims/the Islamic world are "mad" at America. It is only relevant to be aware that Muslims/the Islamic world ARE "mad" at America, so that American vigilance is primed against further Islamic terror attacks.
9/11 was the very first time the vast majority of Americans gave any thought to Muslims or the Islamic world. 9/11 and subsequent Islamic terror attacks focused American, "infidel" attention on Muslims and Islam. Millions of Americans, including myself, read the Koran in order to get some insight into what Islam was about. What I and many others read in the Koran made it excruciatingly clear why so many Muslims are capable of such atrocities; not just against "infidels", but also the centuries of atrocities committed by Muslims against "infidels" and against other Muslims right up to right now.
After 9/11 and subsequent Islamic terror attacks, Americans and other "infidels" learned what life in the Islamic world was like. The Islamic world is a place of gross injustice, bigotry, tyranny, violence, poverty, ignorance, brutality and hatred. Americans and other "infidels" learned about the enormous suffering of women, religious minority and the poor of the Islamic world. The Koran, which is "the way of life, government and law in the Islamic world can be judged by the routine horrors of the Islamic world. The Islamic world can be judged by how the most vulnerable citizens of the Islamic world suffer.
I ask you all; WHAT KIND OF AMERICA would please Muslims/the Islamic world? WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE would WANT the approval of Muslims/the Islamic world?
Americans; the rest of the "infidel" world should be deeply complimented by the fact that so many Muslims and the Islamic world despises us- or is "mad" at us. Muslim/Islamic world hatred and anger at America and the "infidel" world should assure us that we are a good, peaceful, fair, lawful, generous, just and progressive people. We should be very glad that Muslims/the Islamic world hates our guts.
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Soldiers that have been there that I know say that the people are happy to see them and want them there. What he says contradicts that. Where are the people that he is interviewing? Are they in Iraq or are theyin the states?
9/11 is so overrated. That's right, I said it. Overrated!
All of 2,300 people died in those attacks, while hundreds of thousands have been killed, maimed, tortured, orphaned or widowed by America's "revenge" wars that tore apart two countries.
Its not just muslims, EVERYONE's mad at America.
Americans are very nice people, at least they believe they are. They dropped a bomb and killed 100,000 civillians in Hiroshima/Nagasaki. They forget. They teach in their history books that WMD's were found in Iraq, and so they landed there. This is wrong. They watch millions die in Africa and yet seem so concerned about keeping thousands of young misguided American troops in Iraq to help the Iraqi people. Muslim clerics incite anger amongst the uneducated and coerce even young children into committing suicide in the name of Islam. This is wrong. The belief that another human should die in upholding your religion is wrong. Look at yourselves, all of you. You speak with pride of your country and religion. There is little to be proud about. Islam is a beautiful religion. But it's image is ruined by the loud and uneducated few who fight to enforce doctrines of an old age. We are beings of intelligence and thus should be allowed to use our mind to decide on our faith and actions. Nothing should be forced. Americans took California from the Mexicans after taking America from the natives. They forget. Truly, they are nice people, who actually believe that their leaders are making the right decisions and are helping the world out there. The average american however wouldn't know whether Iraq was the capital of Afganistan or not. Business and advertising is so dominant in the american society that they can't even see soccer for it's superior skill based game, simply because you can't stop a soccer game for advertisements! On South Korean TV, you will see advertisements calling for young boys to join the american army. In America, they are actually proud of people who are in the army. Their pictures are on the wall in their living rooms! In my country, those who join the army do so because they can't get any other job. I've travelled to no less than at least 80 countries. I find organized religion to be the most destructive form of belief, that allows people to cause unsightly pain to others in the name of their God. If they had any sense at all, it would seem obvious that God would never support death or pain in his people, black or white or green. Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself who you are and what you want the world to be. Leave the army, stop attending those sermons at the mosque, try and use those brains of yours and not listen to your corrupt leaders who more often than not have their own interests in mind. Use your mind to think of a different way. Religion is for good, but none of you are following it properly, so stop being religious and just do what feels right, in your heart. I've got to go wake my baby up and go play some tennis. Have fun!
The question should be "Why Muslims are mad (in general)?"
May be America will also stop supporting some people based on religion(God given land), looking for Armageddon, America and west also has huge religious society which wants to preserve their culture their history, Conflict of civilization is not just one sided as you see it.
And you have clearly proved your biased against Islam by simply demonizing the Sharia without looking at the actual form of Sharia which people want in different countries. Some may be Saudi style but majority of other countries have different Sharia rules which are much liberal and helpful to society.
let me simply put it like this, every religion, every nation, every culture, on this planet believes they are better then rest. IT is called Pride and too much of it is bad for your health. just like sugar
Christians began to think through the implications of the Christian faith. In time, this began a Renaissance, a Reformation, and an Enlightenment. The West leaped forward in the arts and sciences. And Islam remained trapped in its medieval past.
The Muslim Brotherhood affirms a literal interpretation of the Qur’an. Its fundamental principle was to establish the Qur’an as the “sole reference point for…ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community…and state.” Its official motto is: “Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur’an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.
As a Christians I the applaud the Muslim people for their desire for freedom. I only hope that their desires extend beyond politics and economics. May it be, as we Christians have discovered, first and foremost a freedom of the soul, a spiritual freedom, found as they turn to the God of the Bible and surrender their lives to Him. “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom” (2 Cor 3:17).
It's a well written article, however, as a "Muslim" from a religious minority, "druze", I feel I have quite a few comments to share:
Firstly, I've lived in both Abu Dhabi and Beirut, and I feel that this article, and the comments that this article has attracted use the word "Muslim" way too generally, and from what I know and see and experience in my day-to-day work, social and familial life, those "Muslims" that you talk about are not the ruling majority, they represent a portion of society that mainly consists of religious Muslim extremists, who generally aren't liberal in their thoughts and beliefs, also, they are not as educated and cultured as the rest of the Muslims that are found in our society. We, as Arabs and Muslims, would love to invite any American over here to our part of the world so they can come and see for themselves that Islam and its image is given such a bad picture in the media.
Also, Dr. Kull, in your article you talked about the various reasons why muslims are still mad at America, well, you've got the extremists that believe in bringing AMerica down and they perceive America as evil, but as for the bigger group of Muslims that are still mad at America, well, it's due to the negative image that many Americans have of our society, and just as you mentioned that to understand our problems one must read and study and dive deep into the Koran and our society, the same applies for us, when some Americans just sit and rant and condemn all Muslims and see them as evil narrow minded people, one can expect us to harbor negative feelings towards such unfair criticisms.
Also, a certain 'WhistleBlower' commented that all Muslims hate America, well, that person couldn't be any more mistaken, many Muslims like it, visit it, educate their children there, and send them on vacations there for a reason, on the contrary, there are so many good stuff that we have picked up and learned from Americans.
All in all, I feel that the way many Americans view all Muslims and cast them in a negative image, (that wacko Koran-burning pastor included) is the root of many problems, when one comes from a land that preaches acceptance, tolerance and love, one must abide by them, after all, that's what the Torah, the Bible and the Koran teach their followers
p.s.: I, like the majority of educated Muslims I know, have no problem with America, Christianity, or Judaism, on the contrary, we embrace them as fellow brothers and sisters who strive to excel in this world and help improve our societies.
Frankly I have always been opposed to our attacking Iraq & the war in Af'ghanistan once the Taliban were driven from power. I also believe that the actions & behavior of the Israelies & Palestinians are shameful. I have no sympathy for any organized religions, but with that said, I have been avid observer of the Middle East & Central Asia for most of my 67 years. People of thhat part of the World have never liked the USA & I"m sick & tired of trying to understand why! How about they either learn to understand our culture or better yet we will just stay out of each other's business. And intead of our sending money for famine or disaster relief, we spend it at home. Keep our troops & our money home to help the people of our nation including the millions of immigrants who bring their vitality to America from the world over. I will remind all Muslims that it is safer to be a Muslim in the USA than a Muslim in the Middle East or Pakistan & Afghanistan.
Who care what the Muslim world thinks of the USA. They have never liked us or made any effort to understand us at all. They blame us for the failure of the poor governance of their leaders & their failed economies. We buy their oil, prospect & develop their oil & gas fields because they couldn't. Then we buy their oil!!!They make the rules but they won't get their hands dirty.. They have been at war with the Christian world since the 700's. They whine too much for me and we should bring all our troops & money home where it is needed. We should welcome all immigrants to American, A Punjabi Surgeon and nurse saved my daughter's life. All hard working immigrants & their families are welcomed to the USA by me. Safer than in Pakistan.!!! We will sell them wheat & rice at the world price-no more gifts.
CNN – why are you publishing such news ? In the mainstream media, I am now regularly seeing news favoring Islam and muslims in general. Looks like the media has decided to hold the islamic terrorists up and sing and praise them. STOP PUBLISHING SUCH BIASED ARTICLES TRYING TO SWAY PEOPLES OPINIONS. We know muslims are violent lot and they are in their rightful place – like in somalia and afghanistan and pakistan – warring, bombing each other. DONT TRY TO PUSH FALSE AGENDA ONTO PEOPLE. BE RESPONSIBLE !
it took you five years of research to put it all together but it seems perfect.
While this article may accurately reflect the underpinning of Muslim belief and anger against America, it is an inevitable declaration of the fundamental differences in our cultures. As American's, we do, and are intrinsic in viewing all other societies based on our tenants of freedom. When America backs or supports a government structure or political party that represents freedom, we are simply doing so because that is our basis for a successful society here. Why would we back a political agenda or party that runs counter to the basic tenants of freedom? As mentioned, the traditional Muslim religious based political and governance structures are not based on freedom (as we know it) and so seem very foreign and undesirable to Americans. The interesting point here is that the article seems to justify the anger felt by Muslims and proposes that America and Americans need to accept governments that do not hold freedom as paramount for its people. This simply isn't going to happen unless all of the oppressed peoples agree to populate only oppressed countries. On the contrary what is happening is the opposite. Islam is pushing to take over America and bind her down to Sharia law. As an American, this is unacceptable in my country. Here people are free. Do not impose your governance system and attempt to take away my freedoms for your religious beliefs. American's are very tolerant of other cultures. We do not generally seek out and kill those that draw cartoons of our religious symbols nor do we publicly declare Jihad and call for the execution of those that speak out against us (freedom to express yourself is acceptable to Americans). Until public violence is ruled as an unacceptable means to an end by Islam, there will be a divided co-existence between our cultures. Recent images in London only solidify the fear that America and the world holds for Islam. It simply isn't about leaving them alone to seek the path they choose....it's about them co-existing with others and without the threat of violence and death.
You left out the most important reason: America's support and protection of Israel, as it continues to steal more and more Arab land, year after year after year.
i don't usually disagree with CNN but i am now. muslims hate everyone and everything that is not muslim. that is their mantra.
kill the infidel. change every thing to muslim. where do you think the prez's champaign slogan came from. well how do you like the "change" now?
muslims are the most racist, bigoted, uncompromising people on the planet. why they continue to grow is beyond me except there must be some really, really stupid people out there. people who believe anything anyone says.
me, i'm sticking to santa claus and the easter bunny and Jesus Christ. why would i want 7 virgins in heaven? the one God gave me here on earth is more than enough. and once in heaven i'll Jesus Christ. alaha (don't care about the spelling) 7 silly virgins will be but a burning match in the lake of fire and that is for eternity.
i don't even want to think in those terms. go get 'em sheet heads.
The Muslims need to be in their own countries if Sharia law is the only law for them. America has our own law and we will not change it or accept Muslim law just to appease them.
It was a time when religion was considered the most pure, beautiful, holy and sacrificed part of our earth, our world and society. I would like to believe that the creation of any kind of religion was to guide us, teach us how to be more humane, to be more loving and live a life with ethics and morals. Today, religion has become a weapon or to be more precise, the most deadliest and destructive weapon for mankind. We use religion to bring war on each other. We use religion to create a dichotomy of US and THEM. We use religion to hate, to devalue, to terrorize and to kill one another. I believe that if there was a GOD up there looking down, the only thing he or she can do is to cry and be ashamed because in the end, we human beings took something that supposedly GOD created as sacred and used it for the destruction of our home, the earth.
Very thoughtful article. I couldn't ask for a better attempt to describe the cultural difference and perceptions between America an Islam. Unless and until we in America seek to understand other cultures, we will remain self-centered and at war with the world.
Thor, you are very ignorant or are intentionally spreading mistruths...many Muslim clergy and leaders both in the USA
and abroad have vocally condemned Al Qaeda, 911 and terrorism anywhere as against the true teachings of Islam.
"Overwhelming majorities endorse liberal principles including that .... there should be full freedom of religion."
Ridiculous. Outrageous. Idiotic. No Islamic state has freedom of religion. To the contrary, virtually all major modern Islamic figures demand the death penalty for any male Muslim who publicly denounces Islam and favor criminal laws against insulting Islam. Even the Obama Adminstration filed a resolution before the United Nations in September of 2009 which would criminally outlaw "defamation of Islam" as well as insult to any religion. We be vigilant and must stand against fascism while we still can!
History will prove his comment of "When George W. Bush, in what has to go down as one of the greatest public diplomacy missteps of all time, announced a “crusade” against terrorism" wrong. Really?
A interesting statement in Krull's blog is that "large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion"
Islam teaches there is no God but Allah. All people must submit to Allah. Muslims believe this inerrantly. Consequently, the manifest success and domination of Christianity and Western Civilization, Culture, Science and Business in the world is abhorrent to Muslims as it exposes their belief as a lie and of no consequence. On top of that, Muslims find that the crushing domination of the West over the Islamic World in any potential future military confrontation leaves them no source of hope they will ever fulfill their religion's goals. The resulting frustrated madness leads to the aberrant suicidal murderous behaviors tolerated to varying degrees by all Muslim societies.
Steve Kull has written superficially about a deeper subject.
Anti America is propagated out of every jihadist mosque because the USA stands as an ally of Israel.
The creation of Israel after WW2 by UK and USA are seen as a reversal to the existence and spread of islam.
It is proof of a lower god, a lower belief.
S Kull and all those he spoke to have failled to mention islamist Turkey invasion and occupation of Cyprus.
S Kull and all those he spoke to have failled to mention islamist Turkey invasion and occupation of Constantinople.
S Kull and all those he spoke to have failled to mention islamist crusades out of Medina against Christian Egypt.
Against Lybia, Tunisia, Algeria, Morrocco, Spain, and stopped in FRANCE.
S Kull and all those he spoke to have failled to mention islamist crusades out of Medina against the Eastern Mediterranean countries.
S Kull and all those he spoke to have failled to mention islamist crusades out of Medina against the European Balkans stopped in KOSOVO.
S Kull and all those he spoke to have failled to mention islamist crusades out of Medina against Central Europe stopped in VIENA.
S Kull and all those he spoke to have failled to mention islamist crusades out of Medina against Caucasian Countries.
S Kull and all those he spoke to have failled to mention islamist crusades out of Medina eastwards stopped in INDIA.
S Kull does not understand that islam is a false religion set up to attack Christain Europe.
Were there islamic forces attacking Europe at the time of the Holy Land Crusades?
Yes, they were still being pushed back out of the Iberian Peninsula.
So the Holy Land Crusades Were A Legitimate Counter Attack!
large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion.
To understand Islam look at their conquests after the 7th century. In India from 900 AD to 1750 AD the conquests
led to the lying of 125 MILLION non Muslims and countless others who were forcibly converted and
If that is what they did they. This is the Islam the world outside USA knows and it is not pretty
Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) German philosopher and writer. He was one of the greatest philosophers of the 19th century. He was the first Western philosopher to have access to translations of philosophical material from India, both Vedic and Buddhist, by which he was profoundly affected. Counted among his disciples are such thinkers as Nietzsche and Wittgenstein, as well as Sigmund Freud. Author of his magnum opus, The World as Will and Representation, in 1819, he narrates the sordid tale as follows:
"...This of the fanaticism, the endless persecutions, the religious wars, that sanguinary frenzy of which the ancients had no conception! The destruction or disfigurement of the ancient temples and idols, a lamentable, mischievous and barbarous act still bears witness to the monotheistic fury...carried on from Mahmud, the Ghaznevid of cursed memory, down to Aurangzeb, the fratricide, whom the Portuguese...have zealously imitated by destruction of temples and the auto defe of the inquisition at Goa...We hear nothing of this kind in the case of the Hindoo...."
What would put an end to this problem is create an alternative to fosil fuel and give it away for free to the world. Thism would turn them back into the desart people fighting each other as it has been for a 1000 years.The only reason they have anything is oil.
And also let me clarify you guys on the word 'Jihad' most of you think it means 'fight or war or kill for God' and what not....In reality it means 'to work hard or struggle.' Jihad is an Arabic for struggle. When you go to work you are working hard to earn money, when you go to school you are working hard to educate yourself, and if you wanna use this word in the situation of a war then it means work hard to protect your self from the enemy's attack. If you feel that some one is going to hurt you, you immediately take action to protect yourself like you may call 9-11 or so similarly the war in islam is only allowed to defend and not to kill (even if they are non-believer).
For those who say that we are told to kill Jews, Christians etc. They are referred to ask "people of book." The Quran usually says "o people of book....." which includes Islam, Judaism, Christianity.
Why do we have to believe in this political propaganda and take it as a reason to start hating people around us? Remember unity bring about strength and which int urn makes a country strong and stable. If America continues to lack unity then it would be hard for it to recover from the problems it is facing today....Why cant we make it easier for America to recover from what has hurt its people the most? I am talking about recession, terrorism etc...
The US govt is gullible. Just say that you hate them, and they throw you money so you'll say you love them. Therefore, saying you hate the US is a money-making strategy.
I'm from a country which has one of the largest population of muslims in the world. Must tell you that muslims by nature is a rigid community both in thought and in action. Although the entire world has moved to a more progressive, tolerant and realistic approach towards culture and religion, muslim community has chosen to remain and live in the past clinging to a very outdated and primitive form of Islam, unwilling to accept and adapt to change, unable and unwilling to integrate with other cultures, societies and faiths very well. Most muslim societies have failed utterly on the political front as well, adding to their miseries and isolation. Neither its religious leaders, nor society in general has been able to show the true picture of Islam amd Islamic culture to the world. Hence, changing the mindset of such a society would be very difficult. It may happen gradually during the course of their evolution as a society.
It would be in the best interest of US to leave them alone, both politically and otherwise. Instead, it should try to better understand Islam and the muslim culture, and help the community to progress and integrate itself with the world.
and large isolated themselves from the entire world.
Just by observation, it seems like there's the message that says Americans should work harder to understand Muslims. But the reciprocal doesn't seem to be there, i.e. Muslims telling themselves that they should work harder to understand Americans. Why is that ?
Name a Muslim country that is not a craphole? Why does America want to import a culture that doesn't work? If Muslims have a problem with how they are treated in America I am sure that they are welcome to go home where they are from!
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