Editor’s Note: Steven Kull is director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes and author of the recently released book, Feeling Betrayed: The Roots of Muslim Anger at America.
By Steven Kull, Special to CNN
On the ten-year anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, many Americans are wondering whether the risk of a terrorist attack against America has been reduced. The picture is mixed. With the death of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda is weaker. With revolutions in several Arab countries, frustrations with unpopular autocratic governments - a recruiting theme for terrorist groups - have been mitigated. But one important contributing factor has not improved - widespread anger at America in the Muslim world. While views have improved in Indonesia, throughout the Middle East and South Asia, hostility toward the United States persists unabated.
This does not mean that most Muslims support terrorist attacks on America. On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong. Al Qaeda is quite unpopular.
However, anger at America does contribute to an environment in which it is easier for anti-American terrorist groups to recruit jihadists, to generate funding and to generally operate with little government interference - witness how bin Laden operated in Pakistan and the widespread anger there when the Pakistani military failed to prevent the United States from taking him out.
Trying to understand Muslims’ feelings toward America has been the focus of a five-year study I recently completed that included conducting focus groups and surveys throughout the Muslim world. I sat for many hours trying to understand as Muslims explained to me why they are so mad at America.
Muslims have much they do not like about how America treats them. But there is one thing that is the most fundamental: their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam - a perception held by overwhelming majorities.
The fact that many Americans blithely brush off this accusation without really understanding it is one reason this anger persists. To understand it one must go deeper into the Muslim worldview.
Muslims tend to view current events through the lens of a long-standing historical narrative. According to this narrative, going back to the Middle Ages Christian forces from the West have persistently sought to break the grip of Islam on its people. By holding fast, Muslims believe, they were able to flourish as a civilization, at times superseding the West in many dimensions.
Today, they believe, that struggle continues - except today the challenge is greater. Western cultural products are seen as seductively undermining Islamic culture. More importantly, Western powers have gained extraordinary military might that is seen as threatening and coercively dominating the Muslim world and propping up secular autocrats ready to accommodate the West. U.S. support for Israel, sometimes described as ‘America’s aircraft carrier in the region’, is seen as integral to U.S. plans for domination. All this is seen as also serving Western economic interests, such as in securing oil, which dovetails with the agenda of keeping Islam under foot.
Muslims overwhelmingly believe that the 9/11 attacks, and any attacks on civilians, are contrary to Islam. However, many Muslims do believe that America must back away from the Muslim world.
America did not back away after 9/11. Rather, it advanced into Afghanistan, into Iraq, and expanded its forces based in the Gulf. Many Muslims, with their penchant for conspiracy theories, even wonder if the United States somehow engineered the 9/11 attacks to justify this advance. When George W. Bush, in what has to go down as one of the greatest public diplomacy missteps of all time, announced a “crusade” against terrorism, the assimilation of American actions into the long-standing narrative of Western hostility to Islam was all but complete.
Like most Americans I initially viewed this as a big misunderstanding. Muslims, it seemed, underestimated the pluralism of Western society and with an overactive historical imagination had strung together various elements - each with their own good explanation - into a paranoia-tinged narrative of American hostility to Islam.
And yet with time it became clearer to me what it was about Americans that gave them this impression. Sure, Americans are happy to have Muslims go to their mosques. If they want to sneak away to pray 5 times a day - fine.
But for many Muslims this pluralistic bonhomie masks an American narrative that is actually quite oppressive. This narrative is one that some Muslims think they see even more clearly than Americans themselves.
According to this American narrative - which Muslims perceive as arrogant and dismissive - human society naturally and inevitable evolves through the stages that the West has gone through. As in the Renaissance, religion is largely banished from the public sphere, thus allowing pluralism and diversity of beliefs in the private sphere while maintaining a secular public sphere. This leads naturally to the elevation of individual freedoms and the emergence of democratic principles that make the will of the people the basis of the authority of law rather than revealed religious principles.
From this assumed American perspective, Muslim society is seen as simply behind the West in this evolutionary process. Retrogressive forces in Muslim society are seen as clinging to Islamic traditions that make Sharia the basis of law, not the will of the people, and inevitably keep women in their traditional oppressed roles and minority religions discriminated against.
Muslims see this narrative as being used to justify America actually violating democratic principles in relation to the Muslim world. Even if it is contrary to the will of the people, the United State props us autocratic governments on the basis that they are relatively more progressive - according to the assumed Western narrative - than what the people would do if they had their way. When the Algerian military in 1991 overturned the results of a democratic election when it appeared that an Islamist party would prevail, America and other Western governments turned a blind eye. When democratic forces arose in Tunisia and Egypt, Muslims perceive that the United States only joined the parade when the outcome was irreversible. Still, America supports autocratic forces in Bahrain in the face of pro-democratic forces calling for change.
A particularly frustrating feature of the U.S. narrative, for Muslims, is that it divides Muslim society into a progressive liberal and secular sector on one hand and on the other a regressive Islamist sector that seeks to impose backward Islamic traditions. America then seeks to promote the liberal forces and to undermine the Islamist forces.
This is not simply imagined. Currently in Congress there are efforts to ensure that U.S. funding of democracy promotion in Egypt only benefits liberal, secular parties and does not in any way benefit Islamist parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood.
To most Muslims this American perspective on Muslim society is simply incorrect and American efforts to choose the winner is really about America seeking to impose its Western secular model of governance and to eradicate the role of Islam in the public sphere. Since to Muslims Islam is, by definition, meant to be in the public sphere, American efforts are seen as seeking to undermine Islam itself.
The assertion that America is misreading Muslim society is supported by polling data. While Americans do tend to divide the Muslim public into secular and Islamist groups, polls show that Muslims do not divide so neatly.
Overwhelming majorities endorse liberal principles including that the will of the people should be the basis of governance, government leaders should be chosen through free elections and that there should be full freedom of religion.
At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion.
Obviously there are some serious contradictions here. But these contradictions are not primarily between sectors of Muslim society but rather within Muslim individuals. This could be described as an “internal clash of civilizations.”
Muslims are well aware of these tensions. They are drawn to the liberal ideas of democracy and pluralism and they want to find a way to incorporate them into their societies. Al Qaeda’s model of rejecting all Western influences in favor of purely traditional society garners little support.
At the same most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role. They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture. Integrating these aspirations with liberal ideas of democracy and freedom of religion is a decidedly challenging endeavor.
So it is particularly infuriating to Muslims when America intervenes in a way that is destabilizing, trying to root for one imagined side against another, in what Americans conceive of as an inevitable evolution toward the victory of one side.
If this were in fact a conflict between external groups, such interventions may in fact strengthen one side over the other. But because the conflict is actually primarily an internal conflict, America’s interventions produce a backlash, making Muslims feel that they need to do more to defend their Islamic foundations and making advocates of liberal ideas suspect.
There are reasons to believe that this effect was al Qaeda’s intended goal of the 9/11 attacks. By provoking America into military action against Muslim targets, al Qaeda hoped to revive the age-old narrative of the crusading West and to drive the Muslim people into the arms of al Qaeda’s vision of a purely traditional Islamic society devoid of liberal or Western elements.
Al Qaeda did not succeed in drawing in most Muslims. Al Qaeda’s terrorist methods are seen as wrong and its vision as too extreme. The hold of liberal ideas is not easy to shake. However, al Qaeda did succeed in pulling the United States into a position in the Muslim world that has alienated much of Muslim society.
By intervening in ways that have enhanced the polarization of secular and Islamist forces the United States has also made it more difficult for Muslims to build a political space within which they can find a middle ground that integrates these elements into a more coherent whole.
As America begins to gradually disengage from Iraq and Afghanistan there is the potential for negative feelings toward the United States to begin to abate. Muslims generally perceive U.S. military forces in the region as a threatening presence designed to keep the region the way America wants it to be. Any lightening of America’s military footprint will further mitigate this sense of being coerced.
But perhaps most fundamentally, America’s relationship is most likely to improve as it comes to understand, accept and embrace the whole of Muslim society and the course of development that it has chosen for itself. Muslims believe that they are on a different path than the West . This path is central to their notion of their freedom to practice their religion. When they feel that America is threatening their religion and their aspirations, they grow resolutely hostile.
As Americans we may believe that it is not possible to blend such a form of religiosity and liberal values. Maybe Muslims will conclude this too. But only when Muslims perceive America as no longer being an obstacle to their endeavor will they be able to move forward in their discovery. And it is only then that America’s relationship with the Muslim world will become more amicable.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of Steven Kull.
"On the contrary, overwhelming majorities reject terrorism, including the 9/11 attacks, as morally wrong. Al Qaeda is quite unpopular."
Only because they started killing lots of Muslims.
From a new article on Pew research poll: "But the situation in Jordan and Pakistan is different. In Jordan, confidence in bin Laden rose to 60 percent from 55 percent. In Pakistan, 51 percent of those surveyed registered confidence in him, up from 45 percent four years ago."
Muslims also so extremely large numbers in support for terrorism against innocent Israeli citizens.
Now if you ask them is killing innocents compatible with Islam they will of course say no. The problem is that non-Muslims aren't innocent in the eyes of their religion, and especially Jews.
Oh, and that report was talking about a decline in support for terrorism. Most Islamic countries started with higher numbers that went down after terrorist started killing Muslims in large numbers. Those two countries were the exception.
There shouldn’t be a shadow of doubt in anyone’s mind that all muslims hate America. They live in some western countries and enjoy a safe and respectable life compared to where they came from but still they want to destroy it. Some say it openly and some in a subtle way. Like Fareed Zakaria of GPS CNN, he always tries to bring topics which warrants that America is going down (which is his deepest desire like all muslims), China, India and any other country in the world is going up. He always picked the negative side of any news to make US look bad.
WhistleBlower – Fareed is a very smart man. Remember a good mirror is your best friend. It reflects your true image, even if you are ugly & stupid!
Whistleblower – Fareed Zakaria is not a Muslim. Check up on your facts (and and review your grammar) before you start playing professor and journalist.
"cog" and "True," Whistle didn't call him a muslim. He said, "like all muslims." He was making a comparison.
Perhaps you two heroes should learn some reading comprehension prior to posting comments, eh comrades? Your scholarship is atrocious.
Fareed Zakaria is an Indian, born in a muslim konkani family.
This article failed to mention how the view is also due to America's selected Monarchs. The West had put Gadaffi, Mubarak, as well as many others in charge to keep the people oppressed. So in a way the narritive is correct, the West is trying to dominant the Middle East. Not necessarily physically, but influences certain groups.
Many Muslims love the idea of the US, however it is the fact that many Americans have drawn a hostility towards Muslim Sharia Law. It isn't because it is oppressive towards women or rules out Democracy, this is a common misunderstanding; it actually promotes woman's rights and Democracy. The issue is many mistaken cultural norms for religion. That is a big issue in the region, mixing culture and religion when they go against each other.
Nonsense Brian! While there are extremists and some misconceptions of how the average American/westerner thinks, they are not far off from the way many of the worlds governments look at their cultures as the article states.
Conversely, Americans/Westerners look at all Muslims with a broad stroke instead of realizing that the pictures we see of rallies and marchers make up only a small part of their numbers.
We have gone in and backed dictators for oil. we have allowed oppressive regimes to thrive at the cost of their people countrymen- how else should they feel given what they see upfront and in their faces?
Christian Fundamentalists are trying to wipe out Islam. They are also into getting rid of your civil liberties too. They believe that ONLY their take on Christianity is correct and they will never shut up about it or stop trying to undermine or destroy alternative approaches to Christianity. They are bigots with a smile for other Christians they intend on dragging into their faith and look of pure blood lust when looking at Muslims. It is the Christian Fundamentalists who are dragging the West and especially the US down. They want to tear down the Dome of the Rock and replace it with the mythical temple of Solomon. They are using Jews to help them destroy Judaism too. I believe, having been raised and abused by these fascists, that if they were allowed to kill people who disagree with them they would and they would say they got the okay from God himself. All you have to do is pay attention to these extremists on the Right to know what they have planned for us. Moderate Christians, for the most part, want nothing to do with them but do not have the moral fiber or courage to stand up and say "not in my name." This gives the fringe extremists the belief that other
Christians support them. They do not and they do not support anything else either. At least moderate Muslims do protest and do die protesting.
Saying all muslims hate America is like saying all christians hate Egypt. Not only false, but extraordinarily ignorant.
Sorry - not replying to you personally - but I didn't see a "Post" button anywhere. My view? I couldn't care less about whether America hates Muslims. I hate ALL relligions equally! I say "good riddance" to the lot of 'em! We don't NEED religion - we need more ethics. And stronger self-esteem as people. Then we might get somewhere.
Sorry Whistleblower, I cannot agree that all Muslims hate America. I know muslims that don't. They also happen to want to change it, just like some Christian fundamentalists. I don't think that is a sign of hate. Just that they have a different religion. One that doesn't allow for freedoms for others.
To CalgarySandy,
As a (supposed another) Canadian, I'm just embarrassed by your ridiculous attack on Christianity. Muslim defects-caused the 9-11 attacks. After much fuss and study, I'm done with considering any conspiracies. And as for fringe Christians or whatever...geez Lousie...the US went to war because 1. they were angry, and/or like scared children who wanted revenge, and 2. it bolstered the military-industrial complex. Those comments will make some Americans angry, but I see them as the true cause of launching a war in Iraq.
To believe that it's Christians who want to exterminate Muslims....holey mackerel dandy. Sure, that's right. We're dropping bibles from airplanes...not. Believe whatever you're simple mind makes you feel happy. The war(s) are about revenge, and oil. That's it. What an embarrassment to Calgary.
I am Muslim and love this country. All you arguments are now invalid.
Allah is the devil (an old pagan idol from the middle east – research it!). Muslims are ignorant people. The U.S. is naive. Hope total destruction comes soon! Have a great day!
Wow Sandy how insightful bringing extremist Christians into the mix. You have some conspiracy theory circulating around in your head eating up the common sense. These Christians are not barbarians seeking to kill those that do not except their mindset, they are only "pushy" with their ideologies attempting to save the lost. Immerse yourself in Muslim culture if you want to experience true radicalism. As for the downfall of America, now that would be the loss of "American Spirit" and hardworking initiative my parents grew up with, not radical Christians.
What decline in support for terrorism are u talking about? After Mubarak's fall, over a million people from the Muslime brotherhood in Egypt were chanting " Obama Obama we are all Osama" in Tahrir Square. The USA is going to regret not standing by Mubarak their ally who knew how to deal with those terrorists.
@will, it is easy to "lose" our "american spirit" when our government is completly refusing to do its job. and these christian fundamentalists are a bit more than "pushy." some are downright hateful.
@miriam, really? mubarak knew how to deal with those "terrorists"? the simple fact that he was overthrown is a clear example that HE DID NOT KNOW HOW TO CONTROL THEM. which is a thought process that has created this whole problem. its people like you that will always ensure that the muslim world will always have angry feelings toward the US.
In all fairness, most of us Americans didn't seem to have particularly strong negative views about Al Qaeda until they killed a whole lot of us.
It is true that most Americans do not understand Muslims. Our arrogance infuriates people all over the world. But to claim the Muslim community is not secular but only has internal strife is obtuse. Hiding behind the Karan to justify your treatment of the Kurds in Turkey, Iran, and Iraq is just as bad as western civilizations using the bible justify the crusades. We may be no more advanced than you, but until you realize the value of the separation of church and state, the Muslim world will not advance.
In all fairness Frank, very few people in the US had even heard of Al Qaeda prior to 9/11. It's hard to dislike something you are not even aware exists.
CalgarySandy and John R.: What the hell is wrong with you Canadians!? You and Europe have this schizophrenic penchant for socialism, appeasement, and political correctness. Much like Neville Chamberlain with Nazi Germany, the West ignores the threat from Islam at our peril. Moreover, unlike Christianity, the teachings of Islam are anathema to peace. Christ taught only peace and love. Mohammed conquered, pillaged, and murdered. The contrast could not be starker. Whether men have historically corrupted the respective religions is another question altogether.
CalgarySandy and John R.: What the hell is wrong with you Canadians!? You like Europe have this schizophrenic penchant for socialism, appeasement, and political correctness. Much like Neville Chamberlain with Hitler, the West ignores the threat from Islam at our peril. Moreover, unlike Christianity, the teachings of Islam are anathema to peace. Christ taught only peace and love. Mohammed conquered, pillaged, and murdered. The contrast could not be starker. Whether men have historically corrupted the respective religions is another question altogether.
@WhistleBlower – No, not all Muslims hate America. That statement is simply not true.
@Whistle & Kyle: Tell me the truth.. How many Muslims friends or Muslims do you know? Where do you get your info from, is it from the media? So, please first, go and have a chat with some Muslims before saying "ALL MUSLIMS", dip shixt....
as a movie producer, why amrican always target, because there is no sensor board for the international religious movies,
as a muslim, they do not accept any religious move on jeses moses mohammad, because they are came in this word for the peace and not for trouble , there person is egeption and made movie in states there fore they are not going behand him, they are thinking why state gave the permission and that guy made movie against their religion.
I read with interest as someone alluded that because Fareed Zakaria was born on the Indian Sub-Continent, he could not possibly be a Muslim.
I have only one, sensible response. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!! x-D
I worke in the US and one thing I found out is that most americans are mostly open minded and accepting of others, the problem arrise on the lack of knowledge of other cultures, most americand are not sducated enough to understand..
is a nice way to put it I guess...
People who come to our country need to respect our culture more, not the other way around. You have things backward.
my education may not be as far up the ladder as some, but my common sense is off the charts. and i read more in one day than most college students read in a yr. just because some of us dont have that framed piece of paper on our wall to prove we can grasp what is going on around us and whats being said, doesnt mean were unable to see another persons point of view or the points of their religion. its amazing that a piece of paper on wall can make someone think those that dont have said piece of paper are just stupid, and refuse to learn. wow, lol, id expect better from some one that educated.
@ Daniel, you do need to understand the enemy.. this article is all about understanding them; it seems to me that they (Muslims) and the right-wing of Christianity in America want the same thing..I am sincerely deeply Christian and I want the opposite for both..
Daniel is exactly right!!! Thank you sir
There is a lack of education about culture on both sides of the issue. So what? America is a country of vast numbers of immigrants. We cannot be expected to learn about the culture of each of them. However, we do not see the violence and inhumane things done in other cultures like we see in Islam. Perhaps we should not judge a culture by the small percentage that do things we Americans can NEVER understand, but we were reminded on 9/11 what that small faction is capable of. I would like to count the number of Christian churches in the Middle East, compared to the number of mosques in America. For me, this article means nothing
Dr. Ruth –
It is certainly true that all Muslim men are not terrorists. It is equally true that the great majority of terrorists world-wide ARE Muslim.
Part orf the issue is that the American Muslim community is generally mute on the issue.
A question that is not being asked, much less answered:
Why aren't Muslims in this country – many of whom who are American citizens – marching in the streets, demanding that the Islamists and radcials stop killing innocents in the name of Allah. Instead, it appears that American Muslims have circled the wagons.
I'm waiting for a reply...
Dr. Ruth...to put it nicely...your spelling $uck$. I've moved around the US and Europe for years, and I never once tried to insinuate that they lacked culture or were illiterate. What you don't realize, is the MAJORITY of the world has no interest in visiting countries in the middle east.
Daniel, your view is the PRECISE cause of the religious street wars in US cities in the past, where the US Army had to patrol the streets in American cities, because the majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture. Where churches were burned and hundreds were killed.
Brilliant way to try to repeat the mistakes of history and ignore the hell out of the first amendment.
Reply to Dr Ruth: If Americans knew more about Islam, and how the Koran says to "kill the infidel wherever you find him," and how the Koran says that lying is morally acceptable when used to deceive infidels and advance Islam, they would not tolerate the invasion of large numbers of Muslims into our country, where they are pursuing their goal of an Islamic America. Ignorance is bliss. When they learn the truth, it will probably be too late.
It's just a matter of jealousy and insecurity.
FACT: All terrorists flying planes on 911 were MUSLIM, so, if the Muslim community dislikes being grouped together or labeled, here is a suggestion. DO SOMETHING, try denouncing those who killed on 911, do it in public. You won't and you know why. Another attack of any kind on US soil where a Muslim of any kind kills or destroyes will start a chain of events the Mid-east won't even believe. We don't care if you are offended, get over it.
@daniel: Yet, when we Americans travel to other countries, we expect to be treated as if we are more sophisticated than the natives of the country we are visiting. It is no wonder some countries treat us with disrespect. We treat others as if we have a superiority complex built into our psyche.
I can't tell you how much I adore the fact that your post in re: the stupidity of Americans is filled with grammatical and spelling errors. I guess most Muslims just aren't educated enough to grasp the English language.
To Jimrytown. I've been to 3 other countries, and I haven't acted at all as you describe. Just because some do has nothing to do with anything. a spurious fact at best.
I fully knew i was the foreigner and asked for no one in any of these countries to change any laws or customs to accommodate me. Even if I had laid permanent roots in one of these countries i would never try to bend them to my will.
@flyingram @drdetroit FACT: All successful terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11 have been perpetrated by non-Middle Eastern Males. In fact, except for one by and Israeli, they've all been by white, Christian Males! Go to fbi.gov and see for yourself.
Who does that tell you, statistically, to be watching out for?
Dan is right. If we live with each other in peace, as is the case here in the US, there is no need to "educate" ourselves to another's culture.
Dr Ruth-
Your comment about Americans being closed minded about other cultures is a very "closed minded" argument. Americans are exposed to different cultures everyday of their life. For example, I wake up every morning to an American breakfast, Greek for lunch and Indian for dinner. I know countless foreigners who come to America and refuse to try different segments of dishes because they are only use to their home food (that's ethnocentric).
Also, your accusations are not based on facts or statistical findings. Here is something for you to research: After 9/11 how many books about Islam were sold in the United States? Compare that to how many books about American culture are purchased in Muslim societies? The truth sometimes hurt. and the fact remains- A majority of Americans are more cultured than any other society on this earth!!!!
Americans are real accepting of all who come here but why do you feel that they need to understand or be educted about other cultures. This country belongs to Americans, you come here, you learn our culture. We go to your country, we learn your culture. You need to be educted about how the world works and stop believing that yours is the only culture and everyong else must conform.
So I guess you will be wearing a face covering burka the next chance you get then? Those our their customs, not ours. So the misunderstanding is where?
I agree with Danny!
I love how American's are the ones seen as not educated in the ways of others, but we are to assume that others are completely educated, and absolute in their understanding of Americans? I find that rather absurd, and difficult to believe, and unsafe to assume all that you have stated.
You sound very EDUMACATED...
Well said flyingram, I doubt you ever will get a reply. Funny how CNN and their ilk never pursue this...
That is also the case for most muslims..they do not know or understand the average American..they hate our government and so they hate us as well.
Rowan, one of the great things about education is that it shows you how much you don't know. You say you have heaps of common sense, which, in truth, simply means that it's easy to have all the answers when you only understand the bare surface of what are actually very complicated issues. This country is full of people who consider themselves experts on politics, economics, and science based on nothing more than their simpleton observations, and people who actually know these subjects in depth just shake their heads in despair at what those people think they know.
Daniel: People who come to this planet need to have a better understanding and respect of all cultures regardless of what country you come from or which country you migrated to. Americans like you are narcissistic bigots.
Go home. Absent that, learn not to mangle the English language. If you don't like this place, leave. We don't have to respect your culture. You're here. Assimilate or go home.
On 9-11 MILLIONS of MOHAMMADENS CHEERED in their streets. If you convert to Christianinty from Islam, you are worthy of execution. What kind of religion does that? Why should I respect your religion. I do not.
@DisconsolateChimera: Looked into it...you're right. Najibullah Zazi, Faouk Mutallab, and the FedEx printer bombs never happened...our mistake. Idiot.
@DisconsolateChimera: Looked into it...you're right. Najibullah Zazi, Farouk Mutallab, and the FedEx printer bombs never happened...our mistake. Idiot.
@DisconsolateChimera: Oh, and Nadal Hassan at Ft. Hood didn't happen...
Know your facts before you spout off on things you know not.
No, it's NOTa nice way to put it. You work in the U.S. and make dollars but can't write English properly???You talk about Americans not being educated but your message here is full of errors..... isn't that typical? When you learn to speak, read and write correctly, you should come back. Check the literacy scores in the atlas and you'll quickly see that the U.S.is very literate. Not everyone here is cultured but many of us have passports and enjoy traveling to other countries. We go there to see the world and visit. We return home and share our nice travel stories. On the contrary, many people come to the U.S., work, send their money homem, live many to an apartment, don't get to see the rest of the U.S. because they're busy working to send the money home and then speak ill of Americans. Not everyone is this way but many are and this too should not be overlooked.
Americans are more understanding and aware of other cultures than any other people. Those who come to this country need to appreciate and respect their way of living. If some one gets offended seeing a female in a bikini, he does not belong here. Period.
the word you are looking for is ignorant
Funny – it's always Americans who have to 'change' to make the world better. We give money, training, supplies, military hardware, support, education, leadership... but still the people who wrote or contributed to the article, and the very basis of it's publication is that people who receive all this STILL THINK we don't accept them for who they are??? We are so open to everyone's personal philosophy, until it infringes on others' foundational rights! What bunk! All we hear about from the louder Muslims is that they teach death to anyone who doesn't believe what they do, and death to Americans period. (I get that those are from radicals...) but the simple truth is, why is this even an issue that the Muslim community is afraid of U.S. being judgmental about their religion? They don't need us to bless their religion, any more than we need them to bless anyone else's, nor do we need the Muslim community to expect "Americans" who include ALL RELIGIONS to 'recognize' their right to believe what they want? I really just don't care, and wouldn't try to change them – where do they get the idea that some people here are any more concerned about them than any other element in this life that might polarize a few people here or there. But hear this – if you believe that Muslims have the right to believe Christians should all die, there will be problems. If any Muslims survive the next 50 years thinking that other people in the world must bow to behavior expected within the Muslim community, you have another think coming. My problem right here and now is the kind of notion that we must impose Muslim ideologies or religious behavior out of respect to their beliefs on ourselves – you are completely crazy. I don't have to learn about Muslims – but their community better also leave me alone. (besides the fact that their basis is factually wrong) – but we can coexist with all but the radical nut-cases that seem to represent the loudest presence. I encourage REAL Muslims to do some PR to show the difference, but in reality, it will all be for nothing since they are all doomed anyway.
Let me say that I am an American Muslim. My grand father and great grandfather both fought in the U.S. army. Let me say that EVERYONE that lives in America does not have ancestral roots here. We all came from different places and therefore have to respect one another culture. Islam does not permit the use of violence against Christians and Jews. On the contrary it says respect the people of the book. It says to use violence only in self defense and even in that case you cannot harm woman or children and it condemns suicide. Also, for those ignorant people that say that most "terrorist "are muslim, you need to educate yourself! The word terrorist is used to loosely. I condemn the 9/11 attacks and Al-Qaeda and I openly say that! But think of all the other people that commit terrorism (instilling fear into people). There are plenty of gang members who claim to be Christian. Look at the Norwegian terrorist that killed all those people two months ago. Look at the Zionists in Israel who claim to be Jewish that committed all those atrocities. Somebody can say that they are a religion but they must be judged by their actions! I encourage all of you to educate yourself about Islam. I don't care if you believe in it, I just want you to understand and respect it as I do for every religion!
From Wzrd1
"Daniel, your view is the PRECISE cause of the religious street wars in US cities in the past, where the US Army had to patrol the streets in American cities, because the majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture. Where churches were burned and hundreds were killed."
Wizard, what on earth on your talking about? "Religious street wars"? "...majority Protestant populace told the immigrant Roman Catholics to abandon their religious culture"?
I'm not American. I am religious. I live, with a green card, in AZ but travel the world to compare economies and cultures of other nations. In this day and age of the internet, with the ability to look up and study anything, I'm just stunned someone would be able to paste together a few characters of flotsum.
For what it's worth to anyone, I've know quite a few people of the Muslim faith, and other faiths, including atheist (not necessarily faithless, either...). Part of it is US foreign policy...we know that. But quite honestly, a great deal of Muslim hate is taught by Mullahs and clerics based upon their narrow perceptions. I've rarely met so many people who are tongue tied to give actual reasons for hating a country and yet are unable to do so. Poorly based perceptions...people in every country in the world are guilty of this. It's the reason Muslims hate the US, but it's also why the US went to war in Iraq.
Ah, who cares. 7 billion people in the world. We all hate each other. For some reason or another. Aliens could abduct all Americans, or all Muslims. In 10 years, there'd be another hated group. It's the true nature of people.
Daniel Allen - What gives you the right to tell immigrants here to assimilate? Did you forget that this country belongs to the NATIVE Americans? Your words are hypocritical.
Dear Dr. Ruth,
I'm so glad you had the opportunity to live and work in the US.
I've also had the opportunity to live and work outside the US. I am a Christian, USAF(ret), and a respecter of peoples and their cultures.
I insisted on my children learning at least one other language than our native American-English to expand their minds. With another language, I instructed them about the culture as well. I've gone as far as to immerse my children in the cultures of other countries as they learn the language. They've even attended the regular schools for the countries we lived in rather than attending DOD schools. What a wonderful opportunity to discuss cultural differences (not always taken to be negative as the word differences may infer) and seek out the logic and understanding of the said differences. With this comes acceptance of others, unconditional love, and respect.
I do NOT seek to convert others to my faith. It is my faith and that's all there is to it. If someone asks me about what I believe I will share, but not beat them over the head with it.
I believe the US government has gone way overboard through the years of our existence sticking political fingers into other people's business and stirring up problems all for the desire to strengthen the almighty dollar. I am ashamed for the way American has manipulated and violated other countries' rights through financial and political maneuverings.
I live in Mexico now and will be returning home soon. It is sad to see so many of the beautiful young folks of Mexico aping the sad trends of American behavior as seen on television programs and movies. I believe we are responsible for our cultural output as a nation and we are failing the world with the drivel we spout in these medias. The majority of
Americans are not justly portrayed on television or movies. We just want peace, comfort, and a social conscience we can live with. I see this as well for other countries our media tries to color with select news stories to incite violence or strong public opinion in the US. The 'news' of today is not much about news, but more of exploitation and sensationalization of some obscure fact to manipulate the public minds.
Regards.
We in american are tolerant of different religions, but you don't hear a christian, catholic, mormon, or a hindu scream allah
right before he blow himself and other around into pieces and telling us we are ignorant of muslim religion sorry but
we never know what the ideals of other people are.
Dr. Ruth,
As to your grammatical and spelling mistakes in your posts...it's ok. I haven't read or heard an American who can speak or write out own language perfectly! Second languages are not always easy. American English is one of the most difficult languages to try to master with all the various pronunciations and myriad meanings for the same word. I'm thankful that when I speak or write incorrectly the language of another, they don't attack my intelligence, but accept what I'm trying to do -communicate.
Again, Regards.
We're educated enough to know that Muslims can't be trusted.
I agree. Americans are generally very ignorant when it comes to other cultures and people. It's sad given the fact that the US is so diverse.
I am Egyptian christian and I love America and its open minded kind people. I chose to come here so I respect their culture. If anyone does not, then they should leave and go back to where they came from.
Look! I am a doctor now too! The interwebs make us all super edumacated!
If your culture includes the destruction of other cultural (religious) icons, the wanton murder of anyone who happens to get in your way (including your own), and the publicly announced mission to kill "infidels" wherever they may be then I need no further understanding. Oh, and you'd be surprised at how well sducated (sic) we are...
@sugpie 1953....every religion does that. Please spend some time learning about the history and religions of the world.
It's true many (but certainly not all) Americans are not educated about other cultures and many Americans who travel abroad don't bother learning the culture of the country they visit. Tourists to the USA should learn something about our history or culture but we should learn from them as well. In fact, many Americans don't know enough about our own history & culture. Many of our high school students can't name all the states on a map and many don't know who the President was during the Civil War. So first we Americans need to learn our own history & culture before we expect visitors to learn USA history & culture.
Dr. Ruth – you are contradicting yourself ... "that most americans are mostly open minded and accepting of others, the problem arrise on the lack of knowledge of other cultures, most americand are not sducated enough to understand". Regardless, of whether the country you choose to immigrate to is accepting of you or educated enough to understand your culture – as you say – YOU are the one making a choice to come here and YOU are the one who needs to respect your host country, not the other way around. Otherwise it is rude, threatening, and leads to a push back. Are you open minded, accepting, and educated enough to understand the age-old saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans"?
Daniel Allen: " I've been to 3 other countries, and I haven't acted at all as you describe. Just because some do has nothing to do with anything. a spurious fact at best."
Just become some do has nothing to do with anything. Please remember those words the next time you're about to denounce/categorize an entire religion and the millions of different people that practice it.
If you want to educate yourself about the "culture of Islam" start with history book and read about the 8-10 million Indians and Persians who were massacred by Mohammed for refusing to convert and follow their bloody trail through out the last 1500 years right up to today and the people being murdered in Africa as I type this for the crime of not being Muslim and refusing forced conversion. That's all you really need to be educated about understand what's going on.
Well, after reading all that tripe I have come to the conc;lusion that the average American is pretty much uneducated and stupid.
Clueless bafoons that chant USA USA #1 #1 while being 41st in infant mortality, 34th in Math, 38th in literacy and not even in the top 10 when it comes to standard of living. Estonia beats America.
And you people are too stupid to notice that you're not numer uno anymore. Unless of course you count starting wars.
The Christian extremists like Bachman and Palin are all around us and you bafoons cheer them on.
Dr. Ruth,
Please do not lecture us about being uneducated when you have 4 misspellings in your comment.
For all of you who want to send Muslims back home or demand that we "respect your culture", I can only ask you where I am supposed to go as a Muslim, career soldier and card-carrying member of the DAR? Yeah, my multiple-great grandaddy was George Washington's army surgeon. Does it stick in your civilian craw that I am preserving your rights to bash my freedom to religion? Now who is REALLY the better person?
i agree Dr. Ruth. some of us are not educated enough. so that is why our first education lesson being 9/11 is so problematic. if say, your first time skiing you went down a hill ran into a tree and cracked your head open, you may be reluctant to go skiing again.
also, its somewhat ignorant to say we are not educated on other cultures. your speaking to a country that was LITERALLY and still is built on immigration. what you have in the middle east are basically all the same people who follow the same religion, but want to live their lives and be governed differently. and they have been fighting about this for a ridiculous amount of time. we debate about our problems, not strap bombs to our followers chest and blow up women and children and innocents in supermarkets and office buildings and places of worship. so, who is really ignorant here?
Well put.
@Daniel Allen "People who come to our country need to respect our culture more, not the other way around. You have things backward." – So much for a "false" American to make such a statement... Dude, did your ancestors respected the Native American Indians and their way of life?!! You have the audacy to post such a comment where your ancestors (provided you are a second/third/fourth generation US citizen) practically wiped away the Native Americans because of cultural differences... So get some history lesson before you start bragging about how others shoul drespect your culture... The original post is spot on... Because you Americans live in such a big continent, you are ignorant of other cultures and how they live... It was just a few months ago where school teachers were saying Brazilians live in the Amazon jungle and they live like monkeys... This was published in local pepares and was all over the internet.. Talk about ignorance.. shhhhh
On 9/11, it was generally unpopular in a good deal of the Arab world. I know this because I was in Egypt when the attacks took place. No one I knew was celebrating those attacks, despite the fact that CNN seemed to find the few celebrations that went on and broadcast them.
Israel angers Arabs (note use of Arabs instead of Muslims) for reasons other than that which you mention. First off, from the perspective of the Palestinians, the side with which Arabs can identify, Israelis are the ones overwhelmingly killing innocent Palestinian civilians. The fact that Arab regimes used hatred of Israel to distract their citizens from questioning autocratic governance didn't help Arabs' opinions of Arabs.
Saying that non-Muslims aren't innocent in terms of Islam is the thing I probably disagree most with your statement. Only the Jihadist viewpoint, that held by Bin Laden, argues that non-Muslims are legitimate targets of violence. You're taking a small subset and generalizing that view for an entire religion. That's not okay.
sorry but your last paragraph is WRONG.
Explain please.
You fail to mention the daily rockets that the palistinians fire into Israel everyday, ALL DAY...EVERYDAY.
And Its the Mooslum country of Jordan that kicked the palistinians out decades ago. Why don't you condemn them. and why doesn't one of the large Mooslum countries over there, give land to their fellow palistinian "Brothers"? Oh yeah.....its not the right dirt.
As far as the Israeli-Palestinian issue: I really regret opening up this can of worms; it immediately sucks all attention away from the issue being discussed. So the short of it: I'm not agreeing with the view; I'm merely stating it. It's wrong and hypocritical. Palestinian militants do fire rockets into Israel and kill innocent Israeli citizens. And as far as other Arab regimes, I agree; they use their citizens' sympathy for the Palestinians to deflect criticism while consciously refusing to actually help Palestinian refugees.
But what I'm trying to point out is that Arabs view Israel as a country that kills innocent Palestinians (read almost any news report on Israeli raids/attacks, and you see that there are one or two civilians that die as collateral damage). Throw in the fact that most of its neighbors were at war with it at one point or another (I realize that the aggressors were often Arab states), and you get the current Arab dislike of Israel.
I was traveling through Pakistan just after 9/11. Being American, a lot of people who knew me, wanted to explain themselves. Each and every one of them came up with almost the same conclusion, that Osama Bin Laden is not responsible for 9/11. Common comments made during that trip was, the MOSSAD is responsible for 9/11. That happened to be my last trip to Pakistan, and promised myself, I will never set foot in there again.
But the problem is, they are as confused as anybody else. They are in denial, and most likely are still in denial. One cannot say, well it may be because they are poor. The amount of money they have spent on violence could have been directed elsewhere.
The fact of the matter is, the hatred or distrust of the United States among the Muslim world is rooted in the Palestinian conflict. Years of vetoes, and years unyielding loyalty to Israel has cemented this belief. So to tell them that some of their fellow Muslim brethren are responsible for extreme and inhumane violence falls on deaf ears.
So this "can of worms", has to be dealt with before any other progress can be made with the Muslim world. I believe Israel has it's own legitimate right to exist, and to defend itself. But Americans have protected Israel without regard to human rights or other humane needs Americans want.
The Muslims on the other hand have never openly condemned any of the violence. This in turn has tarnished their reputation for good. It will take generations for either side to mend fences and fix what has been damaged. Islam will never be a religion of peace until until all the violence it has adopted in recent years is condemned by the majority of Muslims openly.
Any form of fundamentalism has always been bad news, whether it is Christian, Islam, Hindu or Judaism.
Jake, you are the one who is wrong. You make a flat statement and you are utterly unable to back that assertion up with FACTS. Because, you HAVE no facts.
Daniel also misstates the attacks as DAILY, when it's well established to NOT be a daily attack pattern, such are easily located and eliminated! It's the intermittent attack that is successful and not easily eliminated.
But then, I have EXPERIENCE in the region, with Arabs in particular, due to nearly 5 years of Persian Gulf region deployment.
One thing forgotten is the Arab culture, one of incessant warfare between tribes until Islam, when warfare nearly ceased. But, the mindset still remains, "Me against my brother, me and my brother against my cousin, our family and tribe against an intruder." That is not implying a warlike people, but a factual view of any potential defense against intruders, which HAS happened in the past.
THEN, we can throw the Persians into the mix... Where a convenient scapegoat is available in Israel, a matter that is not a concern of Persians, but persists, as one can blame the scapegoat for nearly anything one screws up. Yet, a nation that has a substantial Jewish community that has been there for several thousand years.
The funny thing is, many Arab nations have two court systems. One, Sharia, for Muslims. The other, secular, for things not covered in Sharia AND for non-Muslims. The State of Qatar actually sponsored and built a handful of Christian churches for expat workers, to include a Roman Catholic church. They also have a state store system so that non-Muslims (or anyone who lies on the application about religion) can purchase alcohol.
to Kar, Rowan, WZRD1 and others -
thanks for a beautiful mature discussion on this incendiary topic. If only everyone could resolve disagreements without being disagreeable. Read maggots, read – this is what discussion forums are for. Not to spew your inner garbage of hate.
If the Arabs in Muslim countries truly identified with, and cared about, and were concerned about the safety and welfare of, the Arabs in Israel, (inappropriately called "Palestinians"), they would allow those that want to, to immigrate into their countries. As it is, they deny them permission to immigrate in order to keep the feud going. So whatever troubles they have, are not the fault of Israel, but the fault of those Arab nations that are using them as pawns in their strategies against Israel.
Hey wizard. It is EVERY single day these rockets are fired into Isreal. Most are small and never hit anything, but i think about if someone was doing the same to my town. I would round em up and gage them to. A country is allowed to defend itself.
Look up a Show on HGTV about people buying houses in other countries. Try to find the one with these sisters buying a house in Tel Aviv. The show is not at all political, but the fact is, every home has a bomb shelter and every town square has a place to run for shelter when the sirens go off. Its not a paper tiger they're running from. regardless of the hand you think the palistinians were dealt, you cannot allow assault on your people like that.
Here are a few instructive verses from the Koran. Remember, this is the most holy book in Islam and all are commanded to obey it.
8:36 The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;-
Inna allatheena kafaroo yunfiqoonaamwalahum liyasuddoo AAan sabeeli Allahifasayunfiqoonaha thumma takoonu AAalayhim hasratanthumma yughlaboona waallatheena kafaroo ilajahannama yuhsharoona
8:37 In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.
Liyameeza Allahu alkhabeetha mina alttayyibiwayajAAala alkhabeetha baAAdahu AAala baAAdinfayarkumahu jameeAAan fayajAAalahu fee jahannama ola-ikahumu alkhasiroona
8:38 Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).
Qul lillatheena kafaroo in yantahooyughfar lahum ma qad salafa wa-in yaAAoodoo faqad madatsunnatu al-awwaleena
8:39 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
Waqatiloohum hatta latakoona fitnatun wayakoona alddeenu kulluhu lillahifa-ini intahaw fa-inna Allaha bima yaAAmaloona baseerun
And, for further on how to treat Christian, Jews, and all other infidels, please read here:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/009-friends-with-christians-jews.htm
That's not a call to murder; I'd put it in the same category as Christians' belief that salvation can only be attained through accepting Jesus. The Bible is no more calling for the murder of nonbelievers than is the Quran.
I've always hated the argument that Muslims don't condemn the violence.
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
Read up on some good old Muslim condemnation. It's never as well publicized as the violence and the idiots spoutting hate. I know some of the links don't work, but that's what happens over time when news websites change links. Sorry for that, but there's plenty of working links.
I lived a year in the Sinai as a part of the Multi-national Force and Observers. I tried to understand not only the plight of Israel and the Palestinians, but resolve in my mind the differences between the three main religions in conflict in the region. I left with little respect for the Arab (not Muslim) cluture, the Jewish claim to the region, and all three of the religions. They all seem to be causing chaos across the globe and each religion appears determined to eliminate the others. All have a holy book they claim to be the "words of God" yet all of the books were written by men with an agenda and constantly revised by new groups of people with new agendas. I might point out that the true victims are those of us who have no favorite mythology yet suffer the evangelical efforts and the resulting bloodshed from these three religions. I'd prefer you simply allow people to choose whatever religion they want including the choice of no religion. Let your own special gods sort it out later.
Spinoneone, you're taking anecdotal and out-of-context text and using it to justify your own perspective. That's wrong, because I could do the same with ANY other book and spin it to fix ANY given viewpoint.
Your statement "Israelis are always killing INNOCENT Palestinians" is not truthful. The IDF goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties. It is the cowardly acts of H amas and I slamic Ji had who launch missiles and rockets and mortars against Israeli civilian targets without regard for the fact the targets are civilians. The IDF responds, but always tries to not hit civilians, just hit the t errorists themselves. The IDF has in many cases dropped leaflets on the ground to warn civilians to clear an area BEFORE it is to be bombed. Israel cannot help it if those who carry out attacks against its citizens then go and hide among their own women and children as a shield against retaliation.
Then come fight with us to eradicate this "small subset"...
Vorps....Spinoneone, did not take those verses out of context. They are stand alone verses. If you still insist that they ARE out of context, would you kindly put them into context for us?
@Traveler "The fact of the matter is, the hatred or distrust of the United States among the Muslim world is rooted in the Palestinian conflict."
That is utter horse crap. Muslims have been maiming and murdering anyone and everyone they're come in contact since the day they first appeared on the scene, their body count was in the hundreds of million nearly a millenia and half before the United States or the state of Israel even existed and stands as indisputable fact and evidence to the falseness of your claim.
The so call Palestinian issue is just the handy excuse of the day to rationalize the behavior of people who've engaged in the same actions against EVERYONE they've come into contact with through out their history.
ALL OF YOU...READ LARRY L...HE HAS IT EXACTLY RIGHT.
Well, Kar. In UK the ordinary, everyday Muslim communities were out in force on 9/11 on the streets of London and other major cities. Cheering, dancing and letting off fireworks.
They had huge posters of the planes hitting the twin towers in every street. It was disgusting.
i know how i feel about muslims and about islam. i think that those that attacked us on 9-11, those that continue to terrorize not only the u.s. but other countries and people of their own faith, are fanatics extremests. they do not represent the whole of islam. they are what snake handlers, and the end of the world cults are to christians. people tend to forget that every aith has these people who make the whole of the religion look bad. i do not hate muslims nor do i fear islam. i feel as long as their faith does not preach fear, death and slavery to all those who do not embrace islam, they are just like any other faith in america. and should be treated as such.as long as they realize as the christians have come to realize, they can not force their faith on anyone else. i still feel pain at the thought of 9-11 and islamic people were in that building too. there jihadists do not care who they kill or who they sacrifice. as for us being in islamic countries. i would ask that muslim people remember, we who live here in america have very little say as to where our troops end up, just as you have very little say in your country. in the end islamic christian jewish buddists and all other religions are made of of normal people with little say so who are just trying to live a life in their country the best we can. not all islamics are the same, not all americans are the same either.
Rowan -
There is a world of differnce between garden variety fringe religious groups and those who have a long track record of blowing up innocent people in nearly every corner of the globe.
The question remains – why is there no sense of outrage, demonstrations, and complete repudiation of this mass murder from American Muslims?
Flyingram, there ARE demonstrations and outraged speeches, but western media doesn't bother covering them at all.
I've personally been present for some, while I was deployed.
As for fringe groups, one can think of the Branch Davidians, with their .50 cal machine guns. We can think of abortion clinic bombers. We can think of armed Christian militias who plan for the demise of our government. We can think of the KKK, with THEIR abuse of religion "supporting" their views. Indeed, I was told by one "minister" that being black is the mark of Cain. He apparently forgot about some flood and Cain's children treading water for over a month.
American Muslims have repudiated every single act of violence. But our news conferences and essays are never reported on the news.
What difference does it make why Muslims are mad at America?
This is sort of like trying to figure out why the backwards fool down the street hates all his neighbors. No matter how innocent his neighbors might be he'll just making excuses and finding other reasons to continue with his hate and hostillty. Why? Probably because, like too many Muslims in too many cultures around the world, he prefers hate which he understands how to do over reasoned thinking which he has no real idea how to do.
Why don't the moderate Moozlums speak out against the radicals you ask? Because they fear being killed as well. you can't even draw a cartoon of Moohamed without riots in the streets as a reaction. Look up the Danish Cartoonist who was killed. His cartoon caused riots around the world. Mooslums killed other Mooslums. Then they killed the cartoonist. I saw more intelligence in the people who worshiped the big ape in the King Kong movies.
Wzrd1, the argument about the violence from Christian "fringe" groups is old. In every single instance, those acts are denounced by Christians, and the perpetrators are punished severely. But tell me where in America there are Christian terrorists training camps, and instances in recent history where Christians (not military) have gone into a foreign country and killed 3,000 innocent citizens. The terrorists on the airplanes prayed to Allah and carried through in the name of Islam. I agree that they are only a faction of the religion, but they are a formidable faction and they claim to justify their actions with their religion. Given the size of the Christian religion, there will always be people who perform horrid acts and just happen to have gone to church, thus I supposed you could label them as Christian terrorists. But I would expect you, as a veteran having served our country, to know the difference.
@flyingram....you are using the limited view media is showing you to support your argument. That's extremely close minded. But that is how America works. Most Americans have no desire to actually learn what is going on in other countries. They just take what they see as happening on the TV as gospel that everyone is acting that way. Its the same for the people in other countries. They only see the bad side of America on TV. Spend some time interacting with Muslims that live here in America. Travel to these countries and live for 6 months. You will see a different side.
We have Christian fundamentalist groups here? Do you see people standing up and speaking out against them? I do.
the "subset" of extremist moslems is about 7%. 93% are not extreme! Btw, that 7% is about 150 million people.
"Given the size of the Christian religion, there will always be people who perform horrid acts and just happen to have gone to church, thus I supposed you could label them as Christian terrorists."
BTK Killer – just happened to send taunting notes from his church, and terrorized Kansas for decades. A good Christian boy.
I thought that Pres. Obama was going to improve Muslim/American relationships. All the pundits and columnists implied it would happen. He gave the Cairo speech, remember? And now they hate us more than ever. How come no one is talking about this?
Absolutely! If there AREN'T any Muslims, there won't BE a Muslim problem...
i will agree with you on one serious point you made. you said" if you ask them (muslims) if killing INNOCENTS is compatible with ilsam, they will say NO. the problem is that non muslims are not innocent it the eyes of their religion" this is something that people of the west are totally ignorant and the liberals and muslims ALL DENY. the so called moderate muslims are against terrorism because most of the victims are muslims. if all of the victims were infidels, no muslims would be speaking out against terrorism.
Moderate Muslims want the same results as the jihadists. They're just not willing to fly planes into buildings for said results.
ill have to agree with you. but ill also ask a question. now that the "sane" muslims see how little they mean to the fanatics, dont you think they will see fit to make some changes? people do not tolerate someones foot on their neck and totalian rule for long. esp after they have taseted freedom from it.the fact is just as christianity had to change islam
will be forced to do the same. im not a christian, nor am i islamic. im pagan. we had our wars, we went thru our time of greed.but to me to go to war, to kill in the name of my God and Goddess would be an abomination. the reason? they are the creators. the soul, the divinity, the good part of me was given to me thru them. i could not put blood of an innocent (one who has not tried to harm me) on the hands of my creators..it would be like contaminating my whole faith.
If you read the Koran, you will find that the Koran does not call people who are not Muslims infidels. They call those people "People of the Book". I believe they consider Infidels to be people who have left their Muslim faith – and people who have not faith. Read it and see what you get from it.
"People of the Book" refers to Jews and Christians who are treated as 2nd class citizens in Islamic societies.
This is just not true in millions of ways: ) which always brings us to the same starting point; " the lack of knowledge about the other, yet we are so fast to judge and stereotype !!". To give an example, the church of vicinity, among others with Christians, still exist in the wholly land despite the Muslims having control of it for the last 1500 yrs!! And not to mention that Muslims are allowed to marry Christians and Jews (e.g: ex president of Egypt Mubarak! !). So it's none sense to make such a bold claim that muslims believe that non-muslims are all guilty!! Not any more than Christians believing that non-christians are "guilty" for not taking Jesus as their Savior!! Sometime ppl, intentionally or innocently, (mis)quote the quran or takes out of context! Like gentalmen above quoting. ..and kill them (infidels) wherever you find them... Which particularly talks about the time of revealing this verse when the Arabs were fighting! So the "infidels" are 1st, the Arabs, and2nd, the ones that were attacking the early Muslims, and 3rd the ones that broke the truce! And I believe that the media, whichi is in the business of bad news first, is not an adequate source of education! We don't turn on CNN or fox when we get sick,we go see a doctor, andsometimes, a specialist!!!! Well, "learning" about others is no different! !!
I'm using a tablet so forgive my spelling.
@david
You clearly are the one who does not know what your talking about. In fact, your a clear example of a westerner applying western values to what they see in the muslem world and completely misinterpreting what they see. In Islamic countries men are allowed to marry non-islamic women, because it is understood that the children inherit the religion of the father. Thus they are following the will of Allah and spreading Islam. This is also why women who marry non-muslims is considered to have betrayed islam by many in the middle east, Because that woman's children will be the fathers religion istead of muslem. I have only seen one exception to this and that is when the Islamic familly involved is very secular, such as what you might find in Turkey.
Have to assume you're being sarcastic, because it would suck to believe someone was really espousing genocide. That didn't work out so well in WWII btw.
CNN, please moderate such posts. I realize there may be a tongue-in-cheek element going on here, but most other cultures throughout the world do not understand satire, and this type of post will only serve to inflame members of such cultures.
It may hurt your feelings, but in the USA we have freedom of speech. As long as we do not breal US laws, we can say what we want to and quite frankly I don't give a rip about what other cultures do.
having the freedom to run your mouth and meaningful dialog that leads to change is NOT the same thing. In countries where they DO NOT have freedom of speech the powers that be worry about what you say, where you can say anything you want here because you don't have the power to change anything with your empty words.
I don't know about that. Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. changed a lot of things with just words and courage.
So we should censor speech because some people are too ignorant to understand the concept of satire?
shut up cnn reader . in this country [ america ] there is such a thing as freedom of speech . it does not say there cannot be any tongue in cheek involved. if other countries do not understand our humor , that is their problem ! you must be a liberal !!
You people don't get it. When you are feared you are respected. Who gives a damn if they like us. We were attacked and thousands of innocent Americans were killed. I dont give a damn if they ever like us.
fear and respect are light yrs apart. im sorry you cant see that. if i fear you, i will obey you, but at the first chance i will eliminate you. if i respect you, i will watch your back. i will listen to you,and i will be the first to be at your side. see the difference? this is why dictators dont last long. nor are they comfortable, even in luxuory.
rowan,
The Islamic world respects power and strength not the weak and powerless. I am sorry you can't see that.
A more foolish view is impossible, as it ignores human nature.
Humans NATURALLY attack what they fear and will keep attacking it until it is destroyed.
It is no coincidence that the top predators disappear wherever humans have substantial numbers, the humans kill off those apex predators.
But, we are the good guys, the peaceful and peace loving United States of America, FEAR US FOR WE ARE GOOD.
Can you be MORE un-American than that?
regardless of your definition is of fear and respect, we need to make it a very painful, expensive proposition for anyone who attacks us. We didn't go into Iraq for weapon of mass destruction, that was just to appease the masses. We went in there because we lost 3000 people on 9/11 and we had to go show strength and power in the region. So why not take out a dictator? After we invaded Iraq, Syria, Lebonon, and Libya among others knew that they could be next, and they backed off in their aggressions toward us. But thanks to the huge number of spineless wimps in this country, the liberals castrated us with all the "Where are all the Bombs?" questions. They made it to where Obama wouldn't invade another country even if it was the best thing to do. We are Impotent til he is out of office.
Fear does not bring respect. If I fear you, I'm going to find a way to destroy you.
Why is it that only Americans buy into the notion that (Muslim) terrorists crashed the planeson 9/11? Has any of the commenters ever demolished a building? EOD??? And who killed JFK again? I must ask all you experts one simple question: Who benefited from 9/11 the most? Who benefited when JFK died? Or when any significant person was assassinated? Isn't it easy to prop up a few patsies for all to direct hate towards?
cnn reader.... how about this? uh.. no! this is america. this is a place where freedom of speech is a valued thing. so valued that we send our troops to die for it. will i have it taken away because someone may be offended? no. i didnt NOT like the comment made. i found it offencive. very.. but wil i stop that person from saying anything? NO! because when i stop him, someone will stop me. then someone will stop you. and it will go on and on. until that right is forever gone. i may not like what he said, youre not going to like what im posting now. but i didnt like your post either. would i stop any of them?no.. my nation was built on freedoms like these. my armed forces died to allow me you even the one we find offencive have this right. just as i tried to explain with the patriot act. what is done to one can be done to anyone. what right is taken from one is taken from everyone. thats how repression starts. with one.no i wont see my troops die for nothing. nor the citizens being afraid to say whats on their mind.
Your correct. After spending trillions of dollars in killing muslims, what has America left with? Huge deficits and a dark future. Welcome to future.
I am a partial-Muslim and I can testify. In my Mosque in SF, in an AMERICAN city, about half the congregation in some way condones or agrees with Bin Laden's attack on capitalist America. I am a partial-Muslim because, while muslims are not all terrorists, the Qu'ran is on Al-Queda's side. But Americans need to be aware of radicals like them and stop turning a blind eye in the name of "tolerance".
You are a Hindu and NOT a muslim at all. Koran is NOT on Al-Qaeeda side at all. Stop spreading lies.
Half of them agree with Bin Laden in some way? If you are just "half" Muslim as you say, then why are you attending fringe, extremist splinter group meetings? THERE I NO WAY that even 5% of the Muslims in a typical mosque would EVER agree that killing innocent people is okay. In my mosque, there is not even ONE PERSON who has agreed with al-Qaeda .. the closest thing every said on the subject (which is not the same thing as condoning it) is that "While al-Qaeda's terrorism is unIslamic, America and its puppet states (Israel, Egypt, Jordan, etc) inflict many 9/11's every year on the Islamic world".
By the way, that is true. 200x more people died in our false war in Iraq than in 9/11, a war based on lies.
Back to the point, there is no way what you are saying is true. San Francisco muslims will likely be MORE liberal, not less.
Half agree with al-Qaeda? Not even repeated, scientific, professional statical polling show any numbers like that. You must be lying.
A partial-Muslim? Is that like being partially Catholic? Partially pregnant?
You are a bald faced liar is all that you are, making false claims and false assertions without base in fact.
Unlike you, I HAVE read the Quran. One end to the other. Every argument Al Qaida uses can be shot down by the remainder of the verse AND with Hadith.
Sell your goods elsewhere, those who know better will call you a lair every time.
Isn't that amazing Muhammed? SF is a pretty liberal city...yet %50 of people in your mosque feel that in some way Osama was justified. These people in your mosque (I'm sure) appreciate the religious freedom (as well as other freedoms) of the US – yet they still have contempt. I don't understand this... I remember talking with a "moderate" Muslim woman (at least that's what she portrayed herself as). She's successful, independent, but wears the hajib to show the world her piety. We had a nice discussion, she denounced killing, loved the US, etc., however when I asked more probing questions, I found out her idea of moderation was not my idea. I found out that "yes", she was against killing because she was incapable of it, however, she wasn't totally against the Osama's in the world killing. Unfortunately this conversation as well as other things I've witnessed leaves me with an unsettling, and disturbing view of Muslims.
Lol partial Muslim! Well you must b the 1st of your kind!! My mom used to tell me,liers always at some point expose themselves!
What is a partial Moozlum? You just want us partially gone?
Where did you get that lie? The Quran condemns violence not condones it. And Islam is a religion, not a political movement.
This guy is a Muslim who pretends to have a Hindu name. He understands, most of the people will know the posted information is a lie. He wants the general public to assume that it was a Hindu who posted because of his last name. Manoj is mostly a first name and is not a last name. If for argument sake, if the posted person is a Hindu, I would not assume that he would leave a Hindu name (Manoj ) in the Name.
Please, Muhammed, come back and explain how you can be a "partial Muslim". It is anything like being "partially pregnant"? Either you are a Muslim or you are not a Muslim - let us know when you decide to admit that you ARE a Muslim.
What's a partial Muslim?LOL!! Please stop spreading lies. No real Muslim would condone Al Qaida's actions, ever! Quran does not encourage violence nor killing of innocent people. Let's all try to understand each other and coexist. Spread peace not hatred.
Tom,
good fertilizer? In a way you're right – Muslims are fertile people and, since relationships are within marriage, birth control isn't emphasized much either. So it's a matter of time when any way you look, all you'll see would be Muslims. You appear to be white from your tone, so stay tuned, and my descendants will outdo yours in every way, because yours won't even exist (natural selection based on fecundity)
America and its bombing of Libya( over 17,000 bombs drooped one for every 350 people) the destruction of the water supply and the electricity grind in Tripoli while killing over 3,000 civilians which they were to protect is a big factor in our relations not only with Muslims but the world in general
Let's face facts JOE. It's the republican agenda. They're after OIL. OIL!!!
REPUBLICAN AGENDA. THEY ARE GREEDY AND WANT OIL! George Bush is to blame because he's... wait... I forgot, obama has been in office for a while, hasn't he. Sorry!
You are forgetting that France among other European countries demanded action from the U.S..
It's so ironic how these so called "Christian" Conservatives fail to practice the core principle of Christianity: LOVE. They are usually the most racist and close-minded of all.
That's what Hitler said about Jews.
Hope that you have the same fate as him.
Freedom of speech does not mean you can incite genocide.
ARROGANT DICK-HEADS. YOU WILL BE PUNISHED BY GOD.
That's exactly right. We will not back down from protecting Israel. Muslims before World War II did not hate Jews. They got along fine. But when the Nazi losers helped to propagate the idea that Jews were blood drinking baby killers it gave uneducated Muslims and losers like Osama Bin Laden the fuel they needed to start this fire of hatred towards Israel. The Muslim hatred of Israel does not come from Palestine and Israel fighting over territory. It comes from Germany in the mid 20th century. The fact that most people don't know that, Muslims and many Americans included, simply shows how idiotic the general public really is. This hatred of Jews has nothing to do with the war of 1967 where Israel was surrounded by armies and air force of many Muslim dominant countries. France thought Israel would lose the upcoming battle and they owed Israel a fleet of fighter jets that they wouldn't deliver because they thought they would lose. I can't stand the French and this is one reason why. Israel had already paid for these jets and France would hold them back in a time of war just so the Muslim dominant countries that wanted to wipe out Israel might get mad at them. So now France always tries to play the integrity card in war times when truly they are as devious as any country about money. France is also still yet to be downgraded to a AA credit rating which will help to tip this "non recession" into a real recession and possibly a depression. One can only hope because America needs some huge changes made and the people won't get out from in front of their TV's until the cable gets shut off. LOL.
While many Palestinians and Jews were friends before 1948, Jews were hated by many Arabs before then. Consider the Hebron massacre of of Jews in 1929, the 1888 massacre of Jews in Isfahan and Shiraz, Iran, the 1834 pogrom in Safed where raging Muslim mobs killed and grievously wounded hundreds of Jews, and hundreds of other massacres going back over 1000 years in that area.
they hate us because we back the terroristic regime called israel
No, they hate us because we aren't all a bunch of hypocritical muslims.
I really wish they'd ban religion. It's always in the way of peace.
Wrong. Israel is a country surrounded by millions of people who wish to see them dead. They have 100% right to defend themselves.
Hawaiidude:
If you think Israel is a terrorist regime, I would conclude you got hit on the head by your surfboard too many times.
Israel is the one true democracy in the entire Middle East, and it is a very reliable US ally. The majority of Americans disagree with you, and stand with Israel.
Besides the fact that Israel has the right to defend itself against unprovoked attacks, please answer this.. Why was the PLO formed in 1964, 3 years before the 6 day war? Israel never sent troops into Arab countries before that. Please justify the hundreds of terrorist attacks against Israel before 1967. They would target schools and school buses. Please justify that. Gaza is 100% under Palestinian control. Why is Israel still condemned for occupying it?
It is futile to worry if the Muslim world likes us or not. They hate each other for crying out loud. They still hate the Euros for offenses 900 years ago. Trying to get on their good side is a waste of time. We the USA should always strive to do what is right and let the chips fall where they will.
What difference does it make why Muslims are mad at America?
This is sort of like trying to figure out why the backwards fool down the street hates all his neighbors. No matter how innocent his neighbors might be he'll just making excuses and finding other reasons to continue with his hate and hostillty. Why? Probably because, like too many Muslims in too many cultures around the world, he prefers hate which he understands how to do over open-minded reasoned thinking which he has no real idea how to do.
Exactly!
I know if I was a muslim I'd hate my life too and want to ruin everyone else's. Look at the koran. It's full of hate.
@Kyle...you have never read the Bible have you? Any religious text speaks out against anyone doing what they do not think is "right." We have preachers here in America spewing hate about gays, or whatever. Don't make it out like the Koran is the only religious text that contains text that could be construed as hate.
Jeff S.. You're comparing apples and oranges. While the bible has violent pasages, they are not taken as literal anymore. Christianity has undergone a renaissance and the age of enlightenment. The Koran is taken literally by hundreds of millions of Muslims. To make my point.. Jesus was a great role model (BTW, I'm neither Christian nor Muslim). He preached love thy enemy and turn the other cheek. Mohammed was a violent warlord. He personally beheaded hundreds of men (mostly POWs) and took women and children as slaves. He is considered the perfect man and is to be emulated by Muslims.
Regardless of any of the various answers or discussion of this question, the fact is that Islam's aim is to convert the world, one way or another. We must not forget that "Islam" means "submission." That is, submission to "the will of Allah," which was invented by a merchant who specialized in slave trading. Even the moderate demands of Islam are incompatible with Western culture. Islam means to change the culture, not cooperate or "assimilate" in any form. Look for many more "Freedom Rider" type events such as those at the amusement park in New York last week. Moderate Muslims have the example of the well contrived critical theory that the civil rights movement utilized in the 1960s, and they will/are using it to "change America" even further from itself. And all in the name of "Diversity." (See George Orwell).
Bravo! Great response.
Agreed! Steven Kull's "study" is not very reliable if his lengthy article does not mention the Muslim world's hatred of Jews. America could change its culture so that it resembled Puritanism, but as long as we support the right of the Jewish people to govern their ancestral homeland, Muslims will continue to hate America. I believe that hatred of Jews is the greatest evil this world has known, certainly in the last few centuries. But we liberals have allowed this blatant racism to use the euphemism of "anti-Zionism," and we no longer raise up the moral outrage that is clearly justified. Incidentally, I am a non-evangelical Christian who has read the English version of the Quran.
It's myopic to say that all Muslims hate Jews just as it is politically incorrect to state that there are many self-loathing Jews. After reading the Torah numerous times in Hebrew, it clearly stated that the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) would arrive and that there would be a great nation from the progeny of Ishmael although there would always be a convenant with the offspring of Isaac. I mean, seriously, this hatred between any groups is pure propaganda used to control people AND create financial leverage kind of like the East Coast vs. West Coast rappers. The typical Muslim in America has complete benevolence for all of the People of the Book. Peace simply isn't profitable nor does it sell headlines.
Yea, and then in the article itself it says that many Muslims have a penchant for conspiracy theories and choose to believe that the US government is behind the attacks in the first place. So basically, when they agree that 9/11 attacks were morally wrong, they are still putting the blame on the US, and not on Al-Qaeda and its supporters, where it belongs. Very twisted but serves to convince some naive Americans that we are on the same page in regards to the basics of morality.
Actually those who openly questioned who was really behind the WTC outside of the U.S. were not Muslims or "partial Muslims" at all. Unfortunately most people seem to make their minds up on the first vitriole spewed the loudest. But again, has anybody worked in demolitions??? I'd love to hear their intellecutal view on implosions.
"Only because they started killing lots of Muslims." Why would they do that for? are not they suppose to be untolerateing ,west-hating, kill-them-all Muslims? why would they killing their own brother and sisters and kids? specially in those countries that are under attack by foreign army (Iraq, Afghanistan,Pakistan)? If i tell you human has two legs then if you see somebody with four you should automatically assume this is not human. You can not say this human has four legs. it is not your fault. Fascists and muslim-baby-meat-factory owners (fox,cnn,abc etc.) propaganda to just too strong.
Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
Many writers have stated that we need not get involved with Pakistan. However we cannot afford not to. Pakistan is the bastion of terrorism that is a constant threat not only to the US but to the rest of the civilized world. We cannot and must not let Pakistan be on its own, until we feel safe. We must however stop giving them any further aids as bribes. We must force ourselves in and take control of the lawless areas under terrorist rule. Moves such as helping the freedom movement in Baluchistan ( a state in Pakistan between Afghanistan & Pakistan and with coastal access to the Arabian Sea) will help us immensely. It will open up our access to Afghanistan from the Arabian Sea and allow us to control the terrorists on both sides of the border.
Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
We cannot and we will not rest until Pakistan's fangs are removed!
Muslims are mad at anyone who is not muslim, plain and simple.
To clarify what you are saying.. If you are not a Muslim, then you are insulting Allah(by not believing in him) and therefore you are to be converted or live as a dhimmi (a second class citizen) or killed.
You really hit the nail on the head concerning non-muslims.
God says of Ishmael (Arabs).
Gen 16:12 "He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward[b] all his brothers.”
Yeah... but most of the bible and the koran are a myth.
That scripture right there is nothing more than common sense they knew about their kind back then... bunch of angry camel bangers.
Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists.
Many writers have stated that we need not get involved with Pakistan. However we cannot afford not to. Pakistan is the bastion of terrorism that is a constant threat not only to the US but to the rest of the civilized world. We cannot and must not let Pakistan be on its own, until we feel safe. We must however stop giving them any further aids as bribes. We must force ourselves in and take control of the lawless areas under terrorist rule. Moves such as helping the freedom movement in Baluchistan ( a state in Pakistan between Afghanistan & Pakistan and with coastal access to the Arabian Sea) will help us immensely. It will open up our access to Afghanistan from the Arabian Sea and allow us to control the terrorists on both sides of the border.
the problem is deeper then we think. it was on CNN about a month ago that Obama was in talks with the muslim brotherhood . then we have politicians siding with CAIR and the push to build a conquer mosque at the world trade center. the muslim brotherhood is taking control in the recent uprisings in egypt and syria acting as a peaceful alternative . the alqeada has its roots in the brotherhood- here is the problem; the brotherhood's goal is to destroy israel and the u.s.a. do your research about the muslim brotherhood and you will see they are deceptive, acting like a peaceful group but they really deceptive. Just like that USA muslim TV station were they tried to show a tolerant side of islam- the TV station director beheaded his wife (this was in the news about a year ago) . islam teaches Teqeya which means to lie and decieve your enemy to subdue him. so we have extreme muslims and so called moderates, but the question is; since the quaran teaches submission to allah even by jihad, will the moderates obey the Imams when the time comes ?
@TrueAmerican
Remember 9/11. Remember the country which sourced the perpetrators of 9/11 massacre – Pakistan based terrorists....
Amazed to read this comment.... Not a single from amongst the 19 (9/11) hijackers was a Pakistani. Please read about the "Hamburg Cell". They were trained in Afghanistan. Pakistan has lost c. 35,000 innocent lives since 9/11 due to the war on terror. Every other day is like 9/11 for us here in Pakistan. The loss to economy is billions of dollars. Thank you for all the funding, most of which is actually re-imbursement of military expenses incurred fighting the war.
Majority of people in Pakistan do not hate USA. We have many reasons to love USA. (Al Pacino for one) We do however regret the price we have had to pay for siding with USA repeatedly. (We are no saints either) but an amazing coincidence is that each time USA had a strategic interest in the region the democratic government is toppled and the military dictator receives US blessings ($ in military aid). In 60's the U2 plane shot over USSR took off from Pakistan. Early 70's Pakistan brokered US-China dialogue. In 80's Pakistan became a front line ally of the US in the Afghanistan resistance war against soviet invasion. You already know about Pakistan-US alliance after 9/11. So during each of these events we were the blue eyed ally of the super power who backed a military dictator. (60s Gen Ayub, 70 Gen Yahya, 80s Gen Zia and post 9/11 Gen Musharraf). In the interim period when we were under civilian rule, we were the bad guys. Between Yahya and Zia..."we will make a horrible example of you" -Kissinger. Slammed with Pressler and other amendments (sanctions) as soon as soviet's pulled out of Afghanistan. Hit with US sanctions in the 90's again as we were left with no choice but to conduct nuclear tests after our arch rival cinducted first in May 98. Its so nostalgic to hear once again how evil we (Pakistan) are now that US is contemplating a pull out from Afghanistan. Like I said we are no saints but we are dissapointed that the arrogant super power ignores our regional politics and rather supports our rival. After all the sacrifices since 9/11 Obama announces civil nuclear deal with our rival. Why is extremism spreading in Pakistan? primarily because our economy is not doing well. Like any other Asian economy we can easily exceed a 6%+ GDP growth p.a. but we are criticaly energy deficient. I wish I could not feel bad when I see US assisting our neighbor with what we really need instead of the military aid. If any of you can clap with one hand then I will submit to the notion that only Pakistan is at fault.
I am a born and raised U.S. citizen and I am appalled by the majority of comments I have read here. It seems most U.S. citizens commenting here are indeed culturally illiterate and extremely arrogant. We all most definitely need to be culturally aware of others' customs. If George W. had his head screwed on tight, he wouldn't have uttered the stupid "crusade against terrorism" statement. Being culturally aware can make a big difference and it is extremely arrogant to think that individuals should only know about "their own" culture. We live in a "global village" on "spaceship earth" and we have to get along. Open your eyes and minds and learn something, people. Stop embarrassing me and making me apologize for you.
So... how about obama and libya? Want to blame Bush for that too?
How about screwing your own head on tight and learn a few lessons here... Before Bush Jr. was in office, the WTC was attacked. You know, during the Clinton administration. Then it was attacked again, before the "crusade" comment. Therefore, it's safe to say that Bush Jr. didn't start a "holy war" as you so freely imply.
People like you are why this country is during into a dump. You think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't. You are obviously uneducated and you are obviously a liberal blissfully pointing the finger at Bush as your kind love to do with the least bit of common sense. I'm so glad I'm not you. I enjoy being intelligent.
By the way, you embarrass yourself. Maybe you should stop acting like you have a bleeding heart for everyone else and learn how to apologize for your own shortcomings, which I'm sure would take a lifetime to list.
Is that you, Rodney?
Actually, Americans are very culturally aware. Other countries are very unaware of other cultures besides their own. Do you actually think that Muslim countries are aware of western cultures? They think that raping western girls (in western countries) who wear mini skirts is OK because in their country it is. Honor killings in western countries is on the rise. Do you consider this to be culturally aware? In Asian countries, their lack of awareness of other cultures is also obvious. How many mosques are there in the U.S.? How many churches and synagogues are there in Muslim countries? No, you have it backwards. Americans are quite culturally aware compared to other countries.
Art - I'm interested in your cultural competence. What kinds of things do you know about other cultures?
i do not know of any islamic country that gives equal rights to minorities that muslim citizens have. when muslims talk about their rights in usa i am totally amazed.
Shouldn't we judg ourselves by the being the best we can be & not compare ourselves to others who have different standards than we do? Why compare USA to countries that have less freedom? Why not strive to make the USA the most free country in the world & that has the highest standard of human rights? Why should we race to the bottom? People immigrate here b/c the US has a lot more freedom & opportunity than other countries & we should be proud of that & not look at as a negative. Let's strive to be a better country & not become complacent for the status quo.
You are totally correct, it is written in their quran, they read it 5 times a day or w/e. The fact that they are just blatantly denying that they don't believe in it, but will go on to say that they believe and follow everything the quran says, now that is just a lie. The quran says a lot of stuff about killing and raping women who are not muslim and are of other religions, it allows for several marriages, which muslims completely deny. I am not capitalizing quran or muslim because those words mean nothing, they are worse than the word it.
F Islam and their fake religion, I could care less if they hate us stand in line you whiny crybabies.
I think the topic must be 'why Americans are still mad at muslms'. We'll let's see There was Naser Abdo, Khalid Aldawsari, Muhammad Hussain, Mohamed Mohamud, Nidal Hasan, Faisal Shahzad, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, Naveed Haq, Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to name a few. But then, what can you expect from a left leaning CNN.
i honestly dont think all muslims are terrorists...but muslims in large numbers support terrorism and hate americans and western values...its same wherever they are...asia,africa,europe wherever...how do u know which ones are extremists and which ones are not? ...they know what is going on and still that is not stopping from immigrating to this country...their loyalty is to islam and other muslims only...not to their own country or the country they immigrated to..this might sound like conspiracy but muslims always want to force islam on local cultures...look what is happening in europe...if the local cultures oppose that they turn violent...lastly islam was spread by the sword not by he word...
Hey Chanceofflight......good try with your taqqiya. Do you want some quotes from the Quran? Show me one muslim country where Shariah is the law has equal rights for women.
Can you show me a non-Muslim country that has equal rights for women? Equal pay? Equal access to career development? Equal right to stay home to raise children if wanted?
When you denounce the Koran's provisions for killing everyone who doesn't believe as you do, maybe I'll buy you a cappucino
According to sources cited on Wikipedia, at least 20 of muslems supported 9/11, although at least 60% of muslems believed "The Jews" did it.
Don't they have 7-11's in Mecca?
very true
Of course the Muslims are not in support of the terrorists. But its a two way street. Its not like anybody (except the tea party) supports the war anymore. Everybody wants out of the middle east. The "political leaders" that made these decisions and continue to support them are in our eyes, exactly like Al Qaeda. We don't support them, so to all Muslims, don't stereotype all Americans as trying to oppress your religion, its like us saying all Muslims support Al Qaeda. These "political leaders" with their wrong decisions over and over make Americans as a whole look bad. Thanks Republicans...
The truth is that most Muslims do support terrorist acts. I don't know from where you get your information that they do not. Recent polls in several Middle Eastern countries show support ratios of between 25% and about 65% for attacks on Israel, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Americans when taken. There is a concept in Islam called tackquia (spelling?) which makes it okay for Muslims to not be truthful with non-Muslims when they are protecting or supporting other Muslims. If you don't believe this, go ask the Coptic Christians in Egypt how well they are being treated these days by the Muslim majority.
If the Muslims don't like us, even hate us, then maybe we should just open a Crusades style cleansing, up to date like. Get rid of the fundamentalist among you or you will continue to be the world's most violent and disgusting cult.
MUSLIM'S LISTEN UP:
Islam is the only major religion in the world that sends its young sons and daughters to blow up innocent people – then dances in the streets, smiling at the CNN cameras to rejoice over mass murder.
*** Muslims riot over a Danish cartoon, yet en masse – remain silent over world-wide attrocities against non-combatants.
*** In certain parts of the Muslim world, mutilation of female gentalia is tolerated, beheadings of innocent people is tolerated, women in burkhas are beaten, and seething foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of Jews is taught to young Muslim kids in madrashas.
Once upon a time, the Muslim world stood at the pinnacle of achievment in mathematics, science, engineering, the arts, etc. No more. The Muslim culture has subjected Muslim people to centuries of decline - to say nothing of killing your own people for not embracing the wahibists' beliefs and practices.
Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry about dishonoring the Prophet Mohammed and Allah's teachings.
Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry about the rising tide of fear and restrictions that your presence throughout Europe invites (i.e., the "Islamifcation" of Europe).
Dont't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Worry instead about the beseighed Jewish state that will never stand for being pushed into the sea - as the madman from Tehran as repeatedly threatened.
Don't worry about America, I say to the Muslim world. Get your own house in order by rejecting the 15th century backwardness and ruthless thugs you have running many Muslim countries. Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia, Yemen and Syria - I hope and pray are only the beginning of working to return a great religion into the 21st century so that you are, in more than word alone, "the religion of peace" (as Bush and Obama have said).
I disagree with the tenants of this story. I detest the abominable distortion the free press takes with interpretation of fact.
And ofcourse Israel does not consider Palestinian as human and kill eveyone (women, children). Making life miserable by occupying land. If Israel just leave the occupied land there will be peace. Or only if America stop its aid then next month there be peace. Israel also knows by population it can not absorb palestinians. Look at the people lives on settlement and Palestinians life outside those settlements. Look both sides.
Because America Supports Israel and Israel does not give Palestinians their state
I love America and hope that can change
WHO CARES!! So the muslim world is mad at us. WHO REALLY CARES? I hope it's a long hate cause the feeling is mutual.
Bravo
Troll alert!
Sunni islam was the Islam of learning, science, and tolerance that made all the great breakthroughs in the past. Shi'Ite islam has, however, become far more popular and displaced Sunni islam in a large part of the arab (and persian) world – Its popularity can be attributed to it being tailor-made for uneducated, violent people who are social regressives. Shi'Ite islam is actually very similar to the Baptists among American evangelicals, which may explain the animosity between them and Shi'Ite Islam..
Oh Allah, The Greatest protector of the universe, The One and Only Creator of mandkind, The Creator of Sun and Earth, The Great Manager of the entire universe, The sole Creator of haven and hell fire, continue punishing US for invading Iraq, Afganistan and bombing Libya for you are The Almighty and Creator of the entire universe. The blessed Ramadan is over with billion of muslims all over the world praying for your mercy and protection from being supressed and opressed by the super powers, NATO led by US. Oh Allah, sent your military to US to stop them from bombing muslims countries as well as weaker nations. Show USA and NATO your powerful military, earth quakes, hurricanes, flood, fire and Your might since they are defiant of Your existence and your Power. Destroy these nations and all their agents, spies, informers and individual for helping US and NATO in bombing weaker nations and for turning wealth as their god. Oh Allah, The Great Sustainer of the universe, grant our prayers for you are Al-Mutakabbiruun, Samiiun and Basiirun. Oh Great Helper, help us in getting rid of evil doers for You hear our soft voice prayers asking for your help. Wasallahu 'ala saidina Muhammad, wa'ala aali saidina Muhammad, subhaana robirobika robbil izzati amma yasifuun wa aakhro da'waahum anil hamdulillahi robbil aalamiin. Amiin, Amiin Ya Robbil aalamiin. Recite this prayer 40 x.
Allah is an infidel!
Thank you Brian.
who cares what muslims think?
Why am I a 'bad guy' or a 'bigot' for adamantly and openly opposing a group of people who's core belief is to subjugate me to their way of life by force or be put to death???
If you aren't outraged by islamist's stances on enacting sharia law, you are either one of them or not paying attention.
Take a deep breath, the world is what it is. The only thing America needs to do is put a stake in the ground. Walk with us or not. If the choice is not, that's ok, just leave us the hell alone or face the consequences. That also means our leaders have to be willing to to walk away from bs fights, ie Afganistan. We don't need everybody and everybody doesn't need us.
LOL...Muslims don't hate jews or christians. I have many muslim friends and they do not hate me.
They, like myself, do not approve of Israel policy towards arabs. I suggest that you read therecent wikileaks on Israel to get a better prespective. Most jews that live in muslim countries live pretty peacefully.
In fact Muslims refer to Jews and Christians as 'people of the book' meaning they worship the same god and believe in their holy scriptures and message ie Moses and Jesus.
Lets stop blaming world hunger on muslims and trying to tag the world against them.
There are plenty of facts supporting that Muslims don't particularly care for Americans. I've been to the Middle East and seen this. But there are plenty of Europeans that don't like us either. Have you ever wondered why? It is becuae we are not even subtle when we tell them that our way is the only way. The fact is that we have no respect for the many hundreds of years that their culture has endured. Check out the CIA involvement in placing Noreiga as a rebel leader in Central America. Is it surprising that some of the nastiest leaders in the middle east were also supported by the CIA & the American oil companies? Do you know anything about Iran-Contra?
Actually, innocent means innocent. Muslims see others as deviating from the true path, but not true criminals. To fight their warriors to bring the people into Islam is considered righteous, but to kill the unarmed, the women and children, is a heinous act
American has suffered from Muslim hatred ever since they started siding with the Jews (Israel) at every turn. 3 oil crisis, countless wars, trillions of $'s wasted, all for a friendship (U.S. and Israel) that is so one-sided it is a disgrace. One day, some of the American political toadies who have steered the U.S. in this direction will be tried for treason.
This is not the land of Allah. Do not try to change our land with Sharia law to match your backwards religion. This is already going on in England as well as other countries and is failing miserably.
We feed, they breed.
Really? Pew research? You may as well say "I have no interest in facts." They did a study on who has confidence in Bin Laden? Like he's a politician, or something? What a contrived, useless poll.
The problem is not religion, but America's support for Israel and thus far, America's support for oppression/occupation of Muslims in Palestine and Israel. That's the real problem, not religion.
2000 INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED ON 9/11.
BUT, HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT MUSLIM CIVILIANS WERE KILLED BY AMERICAN WEAPONS?
DO AMERICANS FEEL SORRY FOR MUSLIM CHILDREN AND MUSLIM CIVILIANS? IF NOT, THEN WHY NOT?
IF NOT, WHY DO YOU EXPECT US TO FEEL SORRY FOR YOU?
RESPECT MUST BE MUTUAL. YOU LIKE US, WE LIKE YOU. YOU DON'T LIKE US, GO AND F YOURSELVES YOU DIRTY RACISTS.
leave the USA TONIGHT!
If the world attacked an more powerful Alien race, killing perhaps several thousand of their kind in their home-world, without first trying to negotiate, what do you think would happen?
I know we'd get annihilated.
The world learned the cost of "Total War" is "Total War", in WWII.
No it's not right, the whole thing, from the first mass attack to the latest is not right. To make it right, we must all be 100% right, God doesn't accept anything less.
So get yourself 100% right before you start trying to put yourself in place of God.
Respect is EARNED, not demanded. How can the world respect a code or religion that preaches that respect is to be demanded?
Jihad is significantly about improving the self. Have you and your people forgotten?
Salaam alaikum.
Um, what race is Islam again?
Absolutely. Peace, justice, mercy; All of these are for Muslims only. Anyone on their s#it list (like Israel) is fair game for torture, terrorism & whatever else they can think up.
Why Muslims are still mad at America. All this "It's not me, it' al Queds." is a ruse, a ploy, the red herring. It is all of islam that wishes to eliminate America and Westerners. The sooner you realize that, the sooner we can end this Jihad thing (by elimiinating them before they eliminate us because that is the only way a Jihad ends).
You know the holocaust did occur. And it is also true that Muslims were massacred in Croatia. A couple of hundred thousand people were killed in tribal violence Rwanda.
It all 3 cases U.S. money and U.S. lives were lost (or at least on the line) to protect civilians.
You know, mass killing occurs, we should not deny it.
The leader of Iran is not correct to deny the holocaust, and everyone (who worships God) should call him out on it.
Bin Laden was behind the 911 massacre, he was an international criminal. The U.S. had no choice but to respond. I am basically a pacifist, but when cornered I will defend, and I remember thinking at the time of 911, we have to fight to defend ourselves because they are attacking us at home.
The response to many genocidal acts, is often genocidal. But it is important to realize that Bin Laden did not offer any credible negotiation stance, and his methods were themselves "Total War" which can only require a response of "Total War" right back at him. By Al Quaeda's own official statements, killing tens of million of U.S. citizens would be ok, in order to get the U.S. to acquiese to all demands. Meaning, if Bin Laden had nuclear weapons, he would have used them immediately, he would have used them in the mid-90's.
Recently, in Libya, Colonel Gadaffi said there would be no mercy on the people in Benghazi. Well look what happens when you force people into a corner and give them no other way to respond (because pacifists would be hung along with the perpetrators) you can expect a quick defeat.
If the Taliban rules Afghanistan (so be it) has been my position and the position of a majority in the United States. I was okay with Afghanistan being 100% muslim territory, and I am still ok with it. As for the first Gulf War, if the people of Kuwait hadn't been on T.V. pleading for help (and they were), I would not have been for the first war.
As far as I know our guys were only in Kuwait to help out a people under occupation from a hostile nation, and after the war (as before) oil was traded at market price. And Kuwait and Saudi Arabia still have national control over their oil fields, meaning they have always been the ones who decided where the money goes.
Right now oil sells for an economy killing price, but if the United States or any other nation attempted to cease that oil, it would spark heavy civil unrest in that country (worse than Vietnam) and would cause dozen of other nations to tak arms against that country.
Oil can sell for 1000$ a barrel (and given the true value of the dollar it may sooner than later), the U.S. and all other nations will simply have to accept that and find a peaceful alternative (because that is the best way to go, and the correct way to go, by any law). And as Christian U.S. citizen, I want it to be that way.
It is also true that Islam is responsible for the greatest holocaust in human history. It occurred when the Delhi caliphate existed in India and is responsible for the deaths of over 80 million Hindus over the span of a few decades in an attempt to forcefully convert the population to islam. One caliph even ordered that 1000 Hindus be executed every day for an entire year and it was carried out. To this day there are muslems in Pakistan who look upon that act of barbarism with pride.
You bring up Israel...interesting. US support for Israeli occupation of stolen Palestinian land is probably the biggest reason why Muslims, and a lot of other people, hate us. We are seen as hypocrites in the eyes of the international community, and for good reason.
True, Mr. Zakaria is smart, intelligent, and knowledgeable but NOT the least naive or even a liberal in the general sense. Liberals like Anderson Cooper, Wolf Blitzer, Tom Freidmann etc. generally fight for freedoms for all peoples, especially the minorities even at the cost of being insensitive to the majority as well as all other minorities (e.g. 9/11 controversy). At best these liberals are naive and a have a totally unrealistic & skewed view of the world.
On the contrary my former countryman Mr. Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim, and like the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims in the world he hates America, Israel and the entire free world, and believes that the entire non-Muslim world is ganged up against Islam. He fights for almost every Muslim cause in the world be it Palestine, Chechnya, Kashmir, Kosovo, Bosnia etc, and also just as his ilk all over the world NEVER EVER FAILS to connect Muslim discontent (incl. American Muslims) with every other real & perceived inequality against Muslims anywhere in the world, e.g. Burka ban in France, Minaret ban in Switzerland, opposition to GZ VICTORY Mosque, enhanced interrogation of terrorists, security checks at a/ps etc. etc. He has FAMOUSLY SAID several times that EVEN AL-QAEDA’s hatredness for America is due to our policies!
What happened man ? You seem to be upset about something. Did the dowry not suffice your needs ? Its alright, take a pill I am sure there is another way out, like a 7 eleven or a gas station.
Five years of studying and this is what he came up with? I certainly don't have his expertise but I would consider how the West has always interfered in the ME even before it was carved up by the Sykes-Picot agreement between the UK and France. How the state of Kuwait was created just to steal an oil lease. How tha Palestinians were kicked out of their country by the Balfour agreement. Does anyone really wonder why the Muslims don't trust the West? As a Western American, I am apalled by the US blind support for Israel regardless of what is fair, just and legal. Of course the US has precedent – the trail of tears. At least the US is consistent in it's oppression in pursuit of national interests. Of course no US politician can criticize Israel. It would be political suicide. Want to cut the deficit? In 2010, the US provided Israel almost 6 billion dollars in aid and loan guarantees over the table. Who knows how much under the table? This is why there will never be peace in the ME. Too much risk of lost revenue. Can Israel survive on its own economic merits without US taxpayer money? It is ironic that the British started all this and the US takes the hit.
Islam has been waging uninterrupted war against non-Muslim groups for literally thousands of years. "Jihad" has become a major part of their society values. There are 3 types of Muslims: those who kill civilians with terrorism and justify it by their religion (the smallest population); those who openly claim that this is wrong (a small group), and those who say nothing about it. The last group are the largest and most quiet of all. They either indirectly support terrorism, or are too afraid to openly criticize it, or simply don't care. In any case, their silence and lack of outrage over the hijacking of their own religion enables what is going on.
Survey the major religions of the world. Study those who have moved into the modern century in their own base countries. Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and others have meshed with modern society. They have embraced capitalism, democracy and human rights. Islam is hundreds of years behind. Sharia law still calls for stoning women, lashing men, cutting off the hands of criminals, and violence towards non-combatants of competing religions. Name the number of major religions on the planet that do not allow women to show more than their eyes in public, not leave home without a male escort, and not drive automobiles or freely attend school. The count comes back as ONE.
For all the complaining about fundamental Christians, name the last time one strapped a bomb to himself/herself and killed innocent people. Keep looking...we're all waiting.
Now find a story about a Muslim who has done the same. The press is FILLED with such stories.
Then grow a set of proverbial testicles and ask why. Is the press just picking on Islam and only printing stories about Muslim extremists? Are they simply ignoring the throngs of Muslim leaders speaking out AGAINST terrorism?
ONE religion today is producing the overwhelming majority of terrorist criminals throughout the world today. Anyone who says that all Muslims are terrorists is a fool. Anyone who denies that Islam produces believers who are responsible for the most acts of murder justified by religion in our century is a bigger fool.
Until Islam fixes its OWN problems from within, it has no absolutely no right to claim to be "mad" at anyone...but itself. But as we've seen, if we are waiting for Muslim leadership to hold its own responsible for terrorism and murder, we have a long time to wait.
.there are Muslims and non Muslims all over the world and within American society who don't approve and agree with American foreign policy and their double standards toward other nations and this is the sole reasons America is hated around the world...they are seen as oil thirsty bully and etc....it has nothing to do with religion.
It must be said again.
"At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion."
And it is this majority whose beliefs are entirely incompatible and irreconcilable with a western secular culture. These are the muslims who are dangerous to a progressive, tolerant, secular, and free state. These tend to be the muslims who play the victim card the most, who protest the most, who call for the destruction of the secular state the most, who hoot and holler when their beliefs are criticized, who support the EXECUTION OF CARTOONISTS AND JOURNALISTS; all the while enjoying the benefits of that same secular, liberal, free state.
The irony reeks as heavily as a dead animal on a hot highway: That these muslims who hold these beliefs, use the benefits and principles of the free society to destroy that society and replace it with a THEOCRACY.
Is the core assertion of the article's author that Muslims have always hated US? And, that it is not a recent development, therefore Muslims will continue to hate US no matter what???
It seems it is innocent Americans who have been victimized by the longstanding sentiments behind 9/11, rather than Muslims. Who are the victims when thousands are slaughtered over a perceived insult?.
Sunni fatwa no. 107166: " Democracy is a man-made system, meaning rule by the people for the people. Thus it is contrary to Islam, because rule is for Allaah, the Most High, the Almighty, and it is not permissible to give legislative rights to any human being, no matter who he is."
Regarding politics: "The Muslims in a country that is not governed according to Islamic sharee’ah should do their utmost and strive as much as they can to bring about rule according to Islamic sharee’ah, and they should unite in helping the party which is known will rule in accordance with Islamic sharee’ah."
To be a good Muslim, one must be anti-democracy, ergo anti-American.
Thank you for conceding your opinion to us as it matters a lot or atleast in your world it does. The "muslim dismay" if you may call it is a moral imperative to the covert operations of American agencies in order maintain enslavement of the world.
The fallacy of your argument is that you assume muslims are the "bad guys" like the "communists" have been potrayed as filthy barbarians by the American media, politics and capitalist thugs to protect their interests. Maybe you should start reading into facts before dumping so much cynicism in one paragraph.
As for the "innocent Israeli citizen", israel recognizes every Israeli citizen as a "reserve" and trains them likewise. This makes innocent and israeli oxymorons, just like yourself and information.. Have a good day
No, they mostly do not support terrorism, they are of peace religion. Only jihad.
If muslims or anyone else is mad at America, the exit door is open. Please leave.
The issue would be alleviated if more Americans were respectful and open towards minorities. This country is founded on immigrants.
I don’t see Muslims standing up and saying terrorism is wrong , jihadists are wrong Osama was wrong , we want the Jews to respect us and would like to be friendly to them …Show me that before I should care that Muslims are un happy with America.
How about you grow up first ?
Thay can all go straight to hell
I had Muslim co-workers who, when 911 occurred, pointed a finger at me and said, "see what we can do". Prior to 911, some of these same people claimed they were converted "Christians", but quickly converted back to Muslim on 911. They would explain to me that America was stealing their oil. They would also claim that they will never forget the Crusades. I would hear other people in other areas of this country tell me the same story about Muslims exclaiming "see what we can do". But I am told by lawyers that this is just a part of diversity that we have to accept.
Yet throughout the last Thousand years (since AD 79) the Jews were protected and given shelter in Muslim/non christian Countries around the than known world.
9/11 was an act by criminals who happened to be muslims just like the Italian Mafia/IRA happens to be Catholics. The Jewish terror groups eg. J.D.L. & other extreme jewish groups happen to be Jewish.(Other extreme groups like the American Terrorists KKK, "teaparty", etc. happen to be christian). Does that mean all Christians/Catholics/Jews are bad and that their religion is evil???? NO. It is people not religion that kill and commit unspeakable acts in the misguided belief that their religion requires them to do so.
Right, Brian. The article writer also completely ignores the correlation between those advocating Sharia and a more-or-less strict interpretation with the Koran, with the imperialist nature of Islam itself. The Koran and Hadiths are quite clear that nonbelievers, even those of the book (Christians and Jews) are to be converted or dominated.
So, it's NOT OK for the West to spread – but it's perfectly OK for Islam to spread including it's control of not only religious life but secular life as well.
Interview the losers in any struggle and you'll get similar responses and gripes. But frankly, if anything, the west is Too tolerant of Islam and it's clear goals.
OK everyone, question of the day:
Please list here all the things that the Muslim religion has done to improve the quality of life of it's adherents:
1. Ummmmm.....
if you believe all muslims hate america and are out to get us, you are no less paranoid than they are. in the U.S., we have small groups of people, mostly this "Christio-American" group of conservatives who are paranoid and angry about muslim presence. i equate it to the KKK. you think they are out to get you, taking away your freedoms and your ideals, but in reality they are just another group of people living as the species human on earth. and on the opposite side you have the EXACT same belief about americans coming from Islamist extremists. two groups of extremists, with moderate sensible people in the middle who's boring opinion of people generally being good and not wanting to kill eachother is overshadowed by the juicier story of all the nut jobs and how much they hate eachother. i dont buy it. my muslim friend and i can get along just fine when we sit down and have a common conversation.
Yet for the past 1000 years since AD 79 the Jews were protected in Muslim / non christian Countries of Asia/Africa.
9/11 was an act by an outlaw band of Criminals not by Islam on the Americans. These criminals just happen to be Muslims. If you were to look at other criminal groups like the Mafia,IRA,JDL,RSS,"Teaparty" etc. whose members are Catholics,Jews, Christians and Hindu's. Does this mean that all Catholics, Jews, Christians, Hindus, follow an evil religion??? No. It is not religion that causes people to commit horrible crimes in the misguided belief that their religion causes/requires them to do so.
The Muslim populace should leave our country or be forced to do so. They have no place here. This is a Christian nation; and our culture is more important than theirs...why is it that we do not stand up for our culture? Muslims are not peaceful and will always cause problems...muslims burn Christians.
listen there is no reason for a five year study. what Muslims are mad over is the cultural change that is happening over the Muslim world as a direct result of globalization. why they are angry about is the fact that their children are walking around dressed like men. what they angry about is the lack of concern in the younger generation about religion and moral beliefs. Westerners always say that the Muslim world is stuck in the past, but if you listen to what the Creator says in the scriptures you can see that women are of a great value and what do you do with valuables you keep them in a safe place where thieves cannot get it. so if Abraham was going to kill his son because the Creator told him to and we praise Abraham, then why do you attack Muslims for wanting follow what they scriptures say not only the Quran. Is it not rotted in the old scripture that women should be covered to a certain degree. so when you tell the young that they are stuck in the past if they follow God's commandment we have a problem with that. When you try to push a certain image of "current" or "standard" upon us which goes against what God has told us through the Bibles and the Quran we take that as an attack to under mind God's religion. Its not America that we have a problem with, its the corporations whom are pushing their products for profit without any thought as to what consequences it will have on the human race.
Just wondering why America has all the problems when Christians and Jews are killed often in Muslim countries for their beliefs. We go after terrorist and their supporters we do not target a religion just because. I believe there are many more Muslims living comfortably in America then Christians living comfortable in all Muslim countries put together. Not to mention the treatment of women in oppressive Muslim societies, as a father of 2 daughters I hope the Muslim world and beliefs do not continue to grow.
The roots of problems are not religion, the roots of problems are power and Money. Nowadays most people inculding some muslims and non muslims use Islam and other religion as weapons and tools to kill inncent people in the name of Islam or other religions. Islam is a beautiful religion. Go to the source and gain knowledge and remove the hatred and never let those people to succeed and win.
I agree with this 100% The definition of innocent varies on who you talk to. They say they are against hurting innocent people but if their daughter strays away from their religion she is not innocent, she deserves to die. This is called an "honor killing"
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It's amazing to me how you see things with only one eye. I don't want to defend anybody here but you can not judge people and you didn't live their experience or what certain things mean to them. So, please don't say this group of people are innocent and the opposite are not..
so whats your point? jews are innocent? most of them are, except those (zionists) who vow to do the same to muslims in israel and palestine as was done to them in europe. Good article
It seems some of my posts do not measure up to CNN's interpretation of freedom of expression.
"Now if you ask them is killing innocents compatible with Islam they will of course say no. The problem is that non-Muslims aren't innocent in the eyes of their religion, and especially Jews."
This is only true for those who hold a distorted view of Islam. I have done more tours in the Middle East than I care to recall dating back to DESERT SHILED and in that time I learned a great deal about Islam and Muslims.
When Mohamad created (for lack of a better term) Islam he was seeking a return to the true religion of Abraham, the Abraham of the Old Testament and the Torah. He believed that Jews and Christians had strayed too far from God's path as revealed through Abraham's teachings. I can't recall right now if it is in the Qur'an or a Hadith but it talks about "Children of the Book." The bottom line is this, if you believe in the God of Abraham, you are NOT an infadel and should be treated with respect and dignity. Unfortunately, it's not really working out that way.
Islam is not compatible with democracy. Christianity has struggled with democracy itself. Slavery never would have happened without the blind consent of the church. Witness their wholesale mistreatment of generation after generation after generation of gay and lesbian Americans. Americans fell face first into the trap that Al-Quada meticulously created to further turn the tide of Muslims against Christianity. This perceived hatred of other religions works both ways.
The same could be said for some radical ultra orthodox Rabbis in the illegal Israeli settlements, Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, and fundamentalist American clergy like "Pastor" John Hagee, founder of his Christians United for Israel. Hatred is hatred, no matter the source.
Regarding the Muslim view that the West seeks to detach Muslims from their faith, is it not a basic tenet of Islam that the duty of every Muslim is to try to establish Sharia throughout the world? (And thus detach the West from Christianity or secularism?) It seems that the Muslims are merely projecting their own beliefs, in reverse, upon the West. It appears to me that the anger of Muslims is based on their not well founded assumptions about the West, not on anything that the West has actually done.
I am a Christian but do understand why Muslims hate America for the biased and dubious roll they play in ME affairs. Basically, America has for 60 years acted as a dishonest broker, they pretend to be a fair unbiased intermediater between Israel and Palestine. Muslims have had enough....they choose to fight back taking their fight for a fair deal to the heartland of the USA. You take an unbiased look and ask, who terrorizes who?
Ah, but majorities of muslims favor democracy and freedom of religion...and, majorities of muslims think muslims shouldn't be able to convert from the muslim religion.
Um, what's wrong with this picture? Hint: they believe in freedom of religion...as long as everyone is in their religion. Otherwise, you're in a very different category. In every islamic country, other religions are treated like dirt - presuming they are allowed to exist at all.
The cult of islam needs to get its head on straight. And if majorities of muslims are angry that the U.S. doesn't support them when they try to dominate any population to weak or stupid to defend itself, tough.
from the article...
Overwhelming majorities endorse liberal principles including that the will of the people should be the basis of governance, government leaders should be chosen through free elections and that there should be full freedom of religion.
At the same time, equally large majorities say that Sharia should be the basis of government, that all laws should be vetted by Islamic scholars to ensure they are consistent with the Koran and that Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion.
Muslim hate America, because it has different rule for different people. It believe in democracy, but reject the election of hammas and Islamist inalgeria. there is no election in saudi, uae, jordan, but it has concerned about election in Iran where there is some democracy. In the UN it has veto 41 time in favor of Israel, you it believe in election it should not use veto to abstract the will of world. and respect the World authority. CIA agent killed two ISI officer in lahore it want freedom for his life, like mulmis does not have blood in their vain. It favor mujahedin in Afgan to become supper power, but after its interest fulfill, mujahedin name changed to Terrorist. It has count how many American killed in Iraq and Afganistan, but what about iraqi and Afganis. In their new 2700 people killed in Syrea but there is not count of death in Libya. We believe in Islam which believe that we should follow the instruction of Almighty to gain susses in this life and second life after this world. and all our deed surround on this concept, you have choose this world, don't impose your rules on us.
It seems to me that Islam is a paternal organization. Men being the protectors of their women and their faith. "THEIR women" Power does not relinquish easily. We are pushing equality and the men of Islam aren't buying. This may be a tough road as it seems all men of Islam would rather die than to share power with their women.
hey george, i hate to be the bearer of bad news but most faiths dont get the equality issue yet either, esp. in the south. islamics as far as i can tell are worse but the women being a less person is still there. it seems that men feel the need to control women on all fronts. i dont understand it. the only religion ive seen where the woman is not only equal but sometimes above a man is in some pagan faiths. where there is a god and a goddess to be worshipped. and needless to say im a pagan. im not above my mate, but he isnt above me either. the decisions are made between us. if one cant be reached then the person with the most experience with the issue makes the final decision.and lets not forget in some asian countries its still tradition for the woman to walk behind the man. as long as there are only gods and no mention of the divine female are in the faith, the situation will not change.
The Apostle Paul said that in Christ there is no male nor female. That implies equality.
The Hindu religion has both gods and goddesses and let me tell you: there is no such thing as equality between men and women. There is no equality between all kinds of people there. In China, there is no religion by law and there is no equality between men and women. Men want to control women as property all over this planet and religion is just a very popular tool to help achieve that.
Men are controlling due to nature. Let's not forget we aren't above animals. We are animals.
Religion or not, the control factor would still exist. People would simply make up another mythological god to use as an excuse to be human.
Interesting opinion that is not borne out in fact of observation. Consider Turkey, Iraq, Egypt, Iran, all have women in government, women working, women driving even women politicians.
What you speak of are a small number of Arab nations and some really bizarre African nations.
Muslim is a religion and it is no more paternally oriented than Christianity. As a matter of fact they believe in the same God and their religion has the same roots just a different spin.
Allah is not the God of Christianity. Allah has no son. The God of Christianity gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him might not perish, but have everlasting life.
Who can really blame them when we see the results of female dominate Government in the West? Regardless of the token white males here and there, the West is Feminized. This is the leading reason why it is also broke and crumbling. I don't agree with Islam in general as my other post clearly shows, but you are using an obvious argument that is easily rebutted on many points. Not all traditional wisdom is wrong.
We have never had a female President of the US, and our country is drowning in debt - over $45,000 for every citizen, and $.42 of every dollar that the federal government spends is borrowed. You should allow your opinions to be influenced by the facts.
terrorist....
So, is the answer voting for a woman? Last I checked, women are humans as well. Sorry, but gender has nothing to do with debt. That's a horrible argument you're attempting to make. Seriously. If you think you have something magnificent to retort with, let me give you some names to play with:
Nancy Pelosi
Michele Bachmann
Sarah Palin
Care to make another point?
Politics makes women grow male genitals. Just look at Bill Clinton's wife.
Who can really blame them when we see the results of female dominate Government in the West? Regardless of the token white males here and there, the West is Feminized. This is the leading reason why it is also broke and crumbling. I don't agree with Islam in general as my other post clearly shows, but you are using an obvious argument that is easily rebutted on many points. Not all traditional wisdom is wrong. More subtle thinking is required.
George Thorn, You are wrong. This is not called islam but just pure culture. Islam gives men and women equal rights. Go to the source and gain knowledge. Shotting people is easy but curing them very difficult.
Unfortunately, Islam and the west are two parallel lines that are destined never to meet because Islam is too big a phenomenon to be reduced to a bedroom or worship house affair. No apology!!! You guys can go to blazes. Your aspersions cannot change anything. Islam has a distinct way of life. The west may struggle hard to make a demon out of Muslims. It doesn’t really matter if light and darkness remain at loggerhead for eternity.
Not entirely true, unless you want to claim that Muslims are a different species, mentally, than the rest of the world.
Islam and the west meet exactly when large numbers of muslims, like yourself, abandon their homes, societies and cultures and come over to the west to share in its progress and prosperity and, yes, freedoms.
People like to have food, a roof on their head, and eventually the latest technologies and the right to choose what they want to do.
You cannot change it, friend, people like not to have shackles, religious or not. So we will change the definitions embedded in our religions to make it agree with what we want to do.
Christians do it. Muslims do too (and have *always* done so - contrary to popular belief, Islam was way more flexibile and understanding than Christianity was until relatively recent times, when, for some bizzare reason we've regressed).
The problems you see are not islam vs. non islam - its just two groups of people getting to integrate. A thousand years ago, Islam ruled supreme both technically and in terms of proposperity and envious Christian terrorists attacked Jerusalem. Now the tables are somewhat turned. History is ever changing.
"Islam was way more flexibile and understanding than Christianity was until relatively recent times...."
Really???
In modern-day Turkey (the birthplace of the Christian Church), how many Churches are still there? All but a scant hand-full have been destroyed, or turned into mosques.
Where's the "understanding" of which you speak?
They come to the west for Dawa and jihad.
Also, the crusades were a reaction to Islams taking of Jerusalem.
I think that if you will take the time to search the history books you will find that the Moors from North African coast were busy invading the southern stretches of Europe eventually moving as far north as parts of Poland. The only way to counter this is to go on the offensive. In more recent times, say about 1801, the Moorish Pashas of the Barbary Coast States, an extension of the Ottoman Empire, declared war on American shipping. After Great Brittain, the Muslims are our oldest enemy. However, we have patched relations with Great Brittain, but I doubt if we will ever see a day of peace out of Islam.
how profound... not really... why dark and light? that's biases.. how about green and blue
Light and darkness are apt. Jesus said "I am the light of the world." Muslims reject the light of the world, leaving them in darkness.
Jesus also said he'd return in the same generation as the followers he was preaching to according to the bible. Here we are two thousand years later and people are still thinking he's going to return.
lol
So much for being the light of the world. Both religions ARE darkness.
delex, by all means be distinct way of life. enjoy your faith. just dont hurt others in the name of it. dont expect others to be as you are or be of your faith. that is not your decision. i do not try and force my faith on anyone. nor do i recruit members. it is only when people of a faith decide that others not of their faith need to die or convert, we decide that faith is a threat. and therefor the people of it become a threat. i dont wish to stop you from worshiping your god. but i wil try and stop anone who would kill me and mine for not embracing your faith.
Darkness and light. Pure division, no unity, no rationality, no basis in fact.
I've LIVED in Muslim nations, I even had my wife on an extended visit (read YEARS) to them with me. It was nice, being deployed and back to base, yet living off post. She quite liked it there, once she got used to the call to prayer 5 times per day. She wore western attire when out, though when we went to the souqs, she DID choose to wear an abayah without a veil, that measure of respect for the culture got us best prices.
We were guests in many Muslim homes, dining with their entire family, where we played with their children. Something you know very well is NOT done with untrusted strangers.
Favorite topics of conversation, religion and politics.
I've even corrected one young Saudi who was visiting in Qatar on a youtube video that was haram, as an Egyptian slaughtered 19 camels in about as many seconds, hence the animals saw their fellows slaughtered, a haram practice.
HIS friend considered, then spoke the verse I referred to. His friend apologized to me.
I told him, he owed me no apology, as I was not offended, but he should consider WHO he offended during his next prayer.
We got along quite well.
In English please?
Islam is a very disruptive religion.
Islam does not integrate well into any existing cultures. From its antiquated dress codes to its disruptive practices it seeks to clash rather than integrate itself.
And this is why many Americans do not like Islam.
Americans believe in freedom of religion. They do not believe in religion becoming integrated into government or religion taking over the cultural practices of the secular society. And this goes for both disruptive evangelical Christian faiths as well as for Islam.
Islam is a religion screaming out for reformation. Something that most Christian religions went through hundreds of years ago in order to make them more compatible with modern secular society. It is time that Islam underwent a reformation so that it can integrate into modern societies.
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You're confusing Islam for a monolithic religion.
Dress codes: Is the Yarmulke a similar piece of antiquated clothing? The cross that some Christians wear? Your implication is that non-Western fashion elements are antiquated.
Freedom of religion: the same was said of Mormons, Jews, and Catholics in various Western countries at different times. All have proven themselves willing to integrate. Muslims are no different. Cultural/religious custom should not be thought of as anti-Western; otherwise, most immigrants are anti-Western.
Islamis(mix of religion gov't): this is where I think Muslims in the Middle East and in the West differ most. I think there's a much higher proportion who are perfectly fine with separation of religion and gov't; biased Western caricatures of Muslims beholden to Shariah above all else have perpetuated that view. Muslims I know (myself included) live perfectly contented under a Western rule of law that affords the right to practice one's faith, among other rights.
On the note of religion and gov't, I disagree with you that Americans are broadly against it. I see people like Perry and Bachmann (GOP candidates) validate their views on the basis of faith and bemoan the Godlessness of American politics, and I worry that the separation between evangelical Christianity and state is by far a more pressing concern.
Islamic Reformation: Islam's not monolithic; there are different ideologies in Islam; progressivism, for instance, views religion as a largely public affair. Islamism views "Islam as the answer", as a basis for government. There're Muslim feminists, just as there are fundamentalists. Point being, Islam's not in need of a reformation, because it already has so many competing viewpoints.
In my opinion, the biggest obstacle to integrating Muslims into the West isn't themselves, but Westerners that can't help but to single Muslims out.
Islam is not just a religion it is a whole way of life for these people. Not on my watch
They single themselves out
Which religion isn't? I take it you're either agnostic or atheist.
Catholics for one. I was raised Catholic, and i don't remember us having to dress a certain way, and we didn't have a separate monitary system. We certainly didn't ask any local government to let us use our own court system to solve issues. We let our women leave the house without a male escort. And we let them drive cars as well. We were told to forgive infidels, not kill them. Any other questions?
only when they decide to exterminate anyone not like they are. and follow thru. there in lies the difference and the problem.
some christians do wear crosses. The point is....are they forced to? Muzlum women wear burkas. Are they forced to? No to the first question. Yes to the second? That is the difference
Daniel, YOUR WATCH?! WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You are not the Emperor of this nation. You are a citizen. Interfere with the rights of others, go to prison. I'll laugh at your foolishness.
We DO have freedom of religion in this nation. It's here to stay. Get over it and yourself.
My old neighborhood in Philly is now predominately Muslim, complete with long vacant churches being sold and now being mosques.
There is no conflict there, they're right down the street from a Catholic school and church.
The ONLY conflict is from pinheads like you who want the first amendment repealed, for that IS what you want.
Not going to happen on MY watch. A veteran and one who swore an oath to defend our const i tution. I may be retired, but my oath, my word of honor has never had, nor shall it ever have, an expiration date.
You overlook the fact that there is one basic fundamental difference between Muslims and all the groups of immigrants before them. All the other groups merely wanted to be left in peace to live their own lives as they saw fit. They had no ambition to conquer the other inhabitants of the areas they immigrated to and force an alien and barbaric belief system on them through deceit and coercion. Catholics and Jews were not a threat to previous residents of an area because they shared the same basic values as Protestants. This is not the case with Muslims. Muslims have no intention of assimilating into our society. They intend to radically change our society in ways that no Catholic, Jew, Protestant, or even unbeliever would be willing to tolerate. Look at what they are already doing in Brooklyn. They congregate in the middle of the street and block traffic five times a day. Non-Muslims have a right to use the streets for their intended purpose of driving from one place to another. Muslims prevent non-Muslims from using the street for its intended purpose by using it for a Mosque. That is just plain wrong. Every last one of them should be arrested and hauled off to jail for blocking the street. We are supposed to be tolerant of complete nonsense on their part, but they have no obligation to abide by the rules of society?
Daniel Allen: "we LET OUR WOMEN out without a male escort", "we LET OUR WOMEN drive"
We let? Do Christian males own "their women"? You disgust me and you are just as bad as any Muslim or other terrorist. Daniel Allen and others like him are the enemy. Fundamentalism is the enemy and it doesn't matter which religion it comes from. Stamp out fundamentalism in all its forms.
Why would you care if Islam is a way of life (and it is) when you carry your Christian ideals everywhere you go? Hypocrite.
Wizard, I too am a veteran. And you know what? I don't want that trash in MY country.
fundamentalist, you took that WAY out of context. It's easy to offend those with no common sense.
By saying "we let women drive," he is referring to society in that certain islamic nations do not let their women take part in daily activities, but our society does. I don't feel I need to waste my time explaining this any further to you because you will more than likely become angry and take my words out of context as well.
You're lucky CNN lets you post comments, being whatever gender it is you are. You're lucky! Oh man, so offended! SooooooOOoooo offended! Hypocrites!
islam will intergrate of no longer be a religion. there is no other way. not only from the stand what the rest of the world will not bow down but also because its people will grow tired of being oppressed, having no rights save what their faith seems to give them. all you have to do is look at history. relgions changed and became more tolerant when it came to do or die. islam is fast appoaching that point. i see alot of knnowledge and alot of history in the islamic faith. it would be a shame to lose all of that because a few fanatics were allowed to dictate what is to be because the real islamics sit and do nothing. ive a what if for the fnantics? what if the christians did not become more tolerant and went on killing islamics who did not change religions? so much would have been lost. many faiths who have tried to be in complete control of everything and everyone self destructed. because absolute power corrupts absolutelly.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
I think I have a problem with a religion that wants to kill me, maybe the quote above has something to do with it? I mean if you're fine with a group of people wanting harm to be placed upon you then hey, it's a free country...
Your name is apropos because a dog is smarter than you moron. Inside job? Man your stupid. I suppose you believe the world is flat and the moon landings were faked too. Idiot
Exactly correct Jimmy
Jimmy the only Kool-Aid Drinkers are the one's believing the official Conspiracy Theory. Do some research, particularly involving WTC Building 7 which was NOT hit by planes filled with jet fuel. It still managed to symmetrically and completely collapse into it's own footprint. This was obviously a controlled demolition ( watch the videos of it collapsing ) . It can take months to rig a building that size for demolition but on 9/11/01 it was ready to go....and it did.
Your theory has been de-bunked numerous times by contracted professionals from lots of countries. Just stop already.
You seem to be the only Kool-Aid drinker here with the conspiracy theories. Welcome to the internet, people can look things up quite easily.
Perhaps you should check out information by the MIT professors and structural engineers that reviewed the towers collapse. There where "clip" like structures that held up each floor. All it took was one side of these clips to fail, then the other side failed, causing the incredibly heavy floor to fall onto the next floor – which took out that floors clips, and then let the pancaking begin...just like dominoes – straight down. The towers were made to resist fire, wind, earthquakes...but that little design flaw did not take into account the floor giving way in the manner that it did. All you conspiracy theorists are idiots. I'm not above thinking the governement (OF ANY NATION) might do things to "stir the pot", but you all are seriously retarded if you think the US governent deliberately wanted to kill the 3k inhabitants. Amazes me how gullible people can be, how malleable their minds are...frightens me a little bit. It just shows how easily someone can be radicalized and influenced where their common sense is totally abandoned.
I hear McD's put earthworms in thier hamburgers too.
Try the tinfoil hat next time to keep the radiowaves out.
p8 i agree with you. ive never seen a building come down so evenly. even with demolition timers. the say it melted. fine. it did but some part of those floors started buring before others. it got hotter quicker on one side. that being the case, there should have been some tilt at the impact sight. there was none. it came straight down. this is just common sense. if you burn a piece of paper which part of it will become ashes first? the part that was set on fire first. there was no tilt. no slippage. just straight down all the way down. and the heat was not evenly distributed.
Amen brother. I'm a converted-muslim and I agree: Muslims are responsible for what the Qu'ran says. Just that Bin Laden was the only one with balls to follow it.
And now he's dead. Thrown over the side of a boat in what I'm sure was an honorable service. However, to your point, he had no balls as he refused to take operational action himself, only sent others to die. I can do that if given the opportunity. And all he, and he Takfieri buddies accomplished was to bring death to thousands of Muslims. And the killing continues daily, but not over here man! The press supresses the body counts so the folks in the US don't even care anymore. You folks really strategically screwed the pooch and bought yourselves a 50-100 year problem.
From a country that has made killing you so scandalously depersonalized that you die at the hands of robots. It's not a real deal. No reporters with robots, no films of crying widows. Really no evidence that a person existing at all. Probably not even a body left. Very much like being thrown over the side of a boat when you hoped to be a celebrated martyr. And it gave us the excuse to destabilize the entire region with impunity. Have you noticed that we are everywhere over there and nobody is criticizing us? Nobody at all. Almost surreal isn't it? Again, big big strategic mistake for little tactical gain. What one would normally call "defeat". And once we fully co-opt the Taliban again, our problems in the area will soon be over.
And our casualties, while regrettable, are very very low for this length of global operation. Insanely low. And this coming from a country that happily slaughtered 700,000 of it's own people in a Civil War over only 4 years. Again, poor choice of enemy. We have a remarkable capacity for violence as a people. That's not good.....for you. You know I'm right. Everyone is the Muslim world I'm sure realizes this was a huge mistake. We killed entire Indian tribes on flimsier pretexts. I am not proud of this, it's just what we do. And now it appears our government has decided to settle all our old scores, which again, you gave us permission to do. That will have continuity regardless of who is in the White House. I've heard some commentators say that the terrorists have a long view and can outlast us. Well everybody dies, and continuity is a real bit@hkitty to maintain. We however fought the cold war for over 40 years.
Who are you addressing? Use the reply button below the post you are answering.
Jimmy, if you're gonna go off calling someone an idiot, make damn sure YOU don't come off as the idiot. You know the difference between your and you're right? Who's the moron now?
Islam's "longstanding historical narrative" is one of conquest and conversion. If by "back away from the Muslim world" Muslims want non-Muslims to leave them unmolested to continue the longstanding historical narrative of conquest and conversion, then they are barking up the wrong tree. I believe in "live and let live", but if it's not reciprocal on your part, then we're going to have a problem.
True historically, but point out how Muslims in general (beyond Al Qaida and other Jihadis) are actively or rhetorically seeking to conquest and convert the rest of the world.
Look up the Muslim Brotherhood. Now becoming a viable political power in the mideast. Also look up their plans for the US.
Well, we could start with Israel. The Muslim world will not accept any peace agreement that includes recognition of the state of Israel to exist.
Then there are the forced violent convernsions of tribal Africans, and those who refuse are slaughtered viciously.
Big Bob: I actually know a reasonable amount about them. Starting from their founder, al Banna, their scope has very much been on reinstilling Muslim values in Arab countries; never has it been on actively converting non-Arabs to Islam. As far as Arab non-Muslims, I think their views differ, but consensus seems to be that religious differences have been begrudgingly tolerated, provided no one converts from Islam to something else. Recent trends are worrying. The only instances I can think of is Sayyid Qutb, one-time Muslim Brother, and some other hardliners. But after espousing his view of converting nonbelievers, he became estranged from the organization as a whole. I personally worry about the plans of the Muslim Brotherhood due to the implications of Islamist thought for Egypt, but their goal as an organization isn't whole-world conversion. As far as the Muslim Brotherhood itself, it doesn't speak for the entirety of Islam, nor is it a monolithic organization in itself; there are many competing views. So basically, can you state proof of systemic desire to convert the world?
Southerner: peace with Israel is a whole different ballgame. The biggest blocks have nothing to do with the desire to convert Israel. To name a few: refusal to name Israel as a Jewish state effectively blocks Palestinian right of return. Arab autocracies lose their largest criticism deflector if Israel and Palestine make peace. Land. Settlers. The degree Palestinian autonomy.
As for African tribes forced to convert to Islam, it's not systemic. It's a more aggressive version of isolated incidents that can be seen in any religion. The image that comes to mind is a CNN report of a Muslim praying in the U.S. while being pelted with crosses by some radical evangelicals shouting "repent! repent!".
It is becoming clearer every day that the American government is not a true reflection of American citizens any more than governments of moslem countries are true reflections of their citizens.
The Muslims are very selective about their history. Long before the crusades, they invaded Europe. See Charles Martel and the Battle of Tours for details.
You all fight because you all are obsessed with religion.
people will always find a reason to fight, religion is just a very convenient divider.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
They fight because it is a part of their religion, a long history of it as well, this isn't something new or profound with Muslims, it has nothing to do with either sunni or shiite, it's an integrated part of their religion
since u don't hav any religion to call your own,you should know that it takes an enlightened man to understand the qur'an.stick to pragmatism,the religion of your fathers.if you know your history books, then you know it takes a lot more.
Islam conquered much of the world through violence. It maintains the territory that it controls through violence. It is in essence a violent religion.
Unlike, say...Christianity? Don't throw that stone too hard, you might break that glass house you live in.
Christianity, in it's biblical form, pre-dates Roman Catholicism by nearly 350 years. The Early Church never persecuted or threatened anyone. It was, after all, a Church. When the old Roman Empire began to seriously falter, the emperial leadership knew that they were running on borrowed time and decided to put the Christian Church to "good use" by incorporating it into the gornmental fabric of Europe. Thus, for the very first time in it's history the Church became political. Then the repression and corruption began. In its "pure" form the Christian Church is In fact, PURE.
Seldom did the west war for Christ. Muslims fight exclusivly for Allah!
Mr. Davis might want to re-read his Early World History book. The Church began at Ephesus when Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter and made him the primary Bishop among the Apostles which is now called the Pope. Catholic or Catholicus is a Latin word roughly meaning 'universal', hence the Protestant translation of the Nicene Creed for those churches that want nothing to do with Catholicism. Peter went to Rome to establish The Church there and died there at Vatican Hill. Therefore, The Church has always been in Rome since the first century A.D. and it wasn't necessary to call it Roman Catholic until it had to be distinguished in name from the Orthodox Churches and Protestant churches.
Jesus created one Church which still exists, men created the rest.
Islam hates the USA well newsflash do not move here we do not want you........live in your own biggotted hatefilled economic failure of a country no one cares.......just boot Obama so we don't pay for the ingrates to hate us.
I want to see an article, why the West is mad at the Mooslims.
The author say Muslims – in general – are mad at America. What's even worse is, when Muslims in America are mad at this country, because of the way they're treated. Except for their religion, many are not much different from the Americans. Yet feeling disenfranchised, they experience an "internal clash of civilizations". They now see America and especially the American foreign policy in the Middle East from a different perspective than before.
The schism between Muslims and Christians is ancient. The U.S. had supported regimes in the Middle East, which were/are America friendly and secular. The idyll never lasted long, depending on the political cycle. We can never change the mentality of the people there. It's a different religion and culture there.
. Religion is an excuse to maim and kill until another excuse comes along. Relax have some spareribs and a Mesopotaimian Lite, death is but a prayer awawy. After then you get to live forever!. Huh?
I agree with the Muslim world that the US has no right to look down on the Middle East as being "backward" and "behind in common evolution of societies". That indeed is unnecessarily condescending. And let's face it – As long as we have homeless people dying in our cities; sick people dying because they could not afford the ridiculous health insurance premiums; or families living in their cars evicted from their homes by scrupulous bankers, we have NO right to look down on ANY foreign nation or society.
We (the US) should have realized many years ago (right after WWII) that the Middle East has the right to live their lives as they please, without the USA forcing them.
That, by the way, also is true for our support of Israel: If that country cannot make it in the Middle East on its own, living on land stolen from the Palestinians, the US has no business to keep supporting that fallacy.
Of course one would say: "but what about the oil". What about it? If the US would have invested all those tens of trillions spent on wars in the Middle East and support for Israel to become independent of foreign oil, we would not be living in a world today that is constantly threatened by Islamic terrorism. And – we would have had a positive trade balance, a much stronger US dollar and a flourishing economy. I have wondered so often why our politicians are so stupid to not see this. Or maybe it IS true – That all those senators are in the pockets of big oil, meaning they are not as stupid as I thought – Taking care of number one instead of the American people.
If the latter is true, we are doomed. Regardless of what the Middle East thinks of us.
No matter how condescending it is, it is the truth and they should be made aware of it. When societies still behead people for "sorcery" or refuse to let their women get an education they are in a backwards society. Any society that does not believe in equal rights for all humans and the liberty to do as you wish without harming others is in a backwards society.
It's ok though, globalization will get them up to speed. Sharia law will never, NEVER dominate the world, as the Muslims wish.
Stolen from the Palestinians? Where do you think the Jews originally came from? Sweden? King David reigned over Jerusalem for 33 years. King Solomon built a temple in Jerusalem. Each tribe of Israel had its own territory there in ancient times.
Your study of history is quite lacking when you state that Israel is "living on lands stolen from the Palestinians". Actually Israel was a country and a nation on those lands from 800 BCE until about 70 AD. Israel was conquered by Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans, and others and had its lands stolen by those forces. Israel has every right to the lands between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. There never was a Palestine as a country. It never existed. There are no Palestinian people, only displaced Arabs primarily with roots in Egypt(Yassir Arafat was an Egyptian), Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon. The term Palestinians used before the 1960s referred to Jews who lived in the area. The PLO adopted the term in the 1967-68 era when it was heavily involved in terrorist acts such as airplane hijacking, kidnapping, and attacks on civilian targets, including Munich Olympics 1972 and wheel chair bound Americans.
If you think Israel stole those lands, then you better give up your own house and move away because most certainly, your property was stolen from Native Americans too.
Accept our religion and leave us alone or we will kill you.
There is no real reason to allow the Muslims in America to conduct their lives in a manner that is contrary to the core values of our citizens – the enemy is no longer at the gate – it is inside the walls and intent on destroying us from within.
Unfortunately they are Muslims first and at best Americans second.
I say this after trying to inter act with the local Muslim community – there is no interest in becoming part of America – but it is there goal to change America.
A careful reading of the Koran will not reach any other conclusion – they are not to be trusted period.
Actions speak louder then words and their actions to date indicate exactly what they are up to ................ when are we as a nation going to realize what we are up against and take the appropriate actions to rid ourselves of Muslims.
A pit drastic I admit – but we are well past the point of trying to work with them.
I remember a guy who once had the same believes in a country far, far away – His name was Adolf Hitler.
Those who have no knowledge of history, are doomed to repeat it.
Wanting to defend oneself from someone who wants to kill you in the name of Allah, and killing Jews for economic gain are not the same thing.
Spot on concepts. Deport them all. They are all terrorists in their minds. They will smile in your face while stabbing you in the back – both literally and figuratively.
MHO- everyone needs to respect the other. Muslims have the right to believe what they would like. Americans also have their right to live as they choose. When respect stops, conflicts start on both sides.
Chicken and egg though- like watching Israel and Palestinians. Who cause the escalations? Depends who you ask... media skews it as to their flavor of the day.
We should respect others and let them live the life they choose without resorting to hate and violence.
Muslims do NOT have the right to believe what they like when what they believe is that they are doing Allah a favor if they kill anyone who refuses to submit to Islam. Their rights end where the rights of the rest of us begin.
Why should I respect islam? It's garbage. So is christianity.
In case all you morons forgot this country was founded on christian principles, not musl1m , not buddhist or hindu and everyone in the world is breaking doors down to get in. The mul1m nations are crap when it comes to freedom and tolerance and they want to bring that hatred and intolerance here via their culture and sharia law. Why should we accomodate something that has utterly failed elsewhere??? Musl1ms consider themselves superior to non-musl1ms and can't stomach the fact that christians are running this world!
They obviously don't value education 'cause they're breeding like rabbits and they say they cherish their women but won't afford them the same freedoms their men enjoy. Stop making them the victims 'cause they aren't. They've had every opportunity to denounce these radicals, to call and give their condolences to the victims of 9/11 but not a peep. Why? Because they secretly rejoice in our demise. The ONLY thing they respect is STRENGTH and compassion is considered a weakness. So to all you libtards out there speak softly and truthfully but carry a big stick 'cause you need to make your enemies respect you before you can trust them and that respect comes from fear of retaliation. We don't have their respect because of a decade of nansy pansie policies for our troops overseas. Enough is enough and I have the utmost respect for our troops in musl1m lands because trying to stay alive under these b.. S.. policies is an impossible task.
Same rules for everyone in this country. If you don't like it then then you're not welcome so leave. When everyone has to follow the same rules nobody can complain and everyone knows what is right and what is wrong. Musl1ms want a separate set of rules for themselves and don't want to assimilate into OUR culture but want us to adopt their culture.
Give me a break! If Muslims do not care about this country and they can go back where they came from. Muslims need to start speaking out about terrorist acts throughout the world. Instead of the USA
Fighting all Muslim countries should join hands and fight the bad Muslims .
Muslims are two face. Now you see them them and now you don't. Have we forgotten where the terrorist
Came from who AT&T he'd us on 9/11?
Every religion teaches values and culture towards building good society. I guess, Islam is no exception to it. However, one area Islam diffes greatly with other religion is in the area of interpretation (intentional mis-interpretation) to achive vested interests. What really worries me is the 'SILENCE' form the religious leaders when the religion gets mis-intepreted, Religious leaders in any other religion openly condems the mis-intepretation.... But i have seen this harldy with Muslim clerics. It is very important for a cleric to stand up and clarify the real meaning of KORAN rather than being silent. In my view, SILENCE from clerics is as good as supporting extreme thinking... it's common for a normal person to mis-interpret as they are knowledgeable enough, then it becomes the responsibillity of clerics to bring them back to right track...
I do not trust the muslims in the U.S. because their allegiance is to that damn religion of theirs and not to this country!
We all live in a global society, we must be more understanding on how our neighbors feel and think. Yes it is not easy to understand the muslim world, but we can´t make them understand us with violence and weapons.
by the same token they can not be allowed to " express" themselves with the same. the fanatics want jihad and it seems the christian fanatics are more than happy to give it to them. the problem is on both sides of this fence. this wountry will not sit by and watch another 9-11 and call it an expression of faith.
Wafflling over a "global society" is how we ended up in this quag-mire to begin with. Forget pacification and global feelings. That kind of bull-blather is killing America. God bless America!
I do understand the violent, primitive muslims, it's them that need to understand US. We are not in their country. They are in my country.
Multiculturalism was a failure. Next.
Palestine may be an example of what the British and American did. The folks living on that piece of land for about 1500 years had suddenly become refugees. Because a dead nation of 2000 years ago was reborn with the help of western powers. It was Europeans, the Romans, conquered Isreal, not the Palestinians. Of course, everybody and every nation have the right to survive, Isreal and Palestine inclusive. But Palestinians have no big guns and big mouth, the western powers control advanced arms and media. Americans have made the situation tangled and complicated.
Look at Iraq. After American's liberation, there are bombs exploding everyday. No American casualty in August is big news.
American heroes and world police officers, please take a break and contemplate what have you done to the world.
Steven Kull have written a great article.
natiion building. it seems america thinks every country wants to live as we do. right now the mexicans are going back to mexico. thats how bad our economy is. 2 % of the people here control 90% of the money. this is where capitolism has gotten us. and not big business controls the government. a recipe for disater. public schools are being closed, teachers can not get a fair wage. there are few factoies left in america to pay decent wages. a college education now does not guarrantee a good job. many end up flipping hamburggers. the middle class is falling into the ranks of the poor. a min wage job can no longer support one person. it still angers me that , during bush's reign, the senate said no min wage raise. they did this for 7 yrs. but for every one of those 7 yrs, they voted themselves a raise. now most of america is expected to live on a wage that is at the least 7 yrs behind. and we the people are allowing this.
sorry for the typos. the actions of the senate still make me so angry. and nothing has been done about it. not much is said. whats being done to the middle class and the poor isnt right to say the least. ive an 18 yr old son. he graduated this yr. hes a fine young man and im proud of him. i just dont see a future for him right now. he doesnt either. he knows college is a must, but sees where alot of college grads end up.
Just a few more facts are needed here:
1. Mohammed died in 632AD, and by 750AD, Islam had spread, through conquest, all across Northern Africa, into Asia Minor, and up into Spain, Portugal, and France.
2. The "Crusades" were launched to RE-CAPTURE lands that were conquered by the Muslims.
3. The newly-freed United States of America had to build from scratch, a military in order to protect our shipping from Muslim pirates operating out of Tripoli. Before this, Britain protected colonial ships, but once we gained independence, we were on our own.
Islam imperialistic and xenophobic at the same time.
Where's the Muslim conquest been in the past 200 years? Also please don't extrapolate *anything* about Islam from the Somali pirates who're not acting out of faith.
It's been nowhere, only because the west is better able to protect itself from their sword-wielding militaries.
In short, we build better weapons.
That's a poor question kinda like asking what has "Christianity" invaded in the past 200 years. If Westerners can't use history to justify a particular outlook, then Muslims shouldn't either.
How about South Mindanao in the Philippines?
Muslims arrived there and just planted their flag.
Horatio: No, it isn't. From ~6th-7th Centuries, the Rashidun and Umayyad Caliphates underwent a period of expansion through conquest. This is the Islamic imperialism that Dennis points to correctly. He then goes on to say that Islam is still imperialistic. My response is: name examples of that imperialism. Imperialism usually implies an empire's invasion and annexation of someone else's land, so I'm asking for proof of a monolithic Islam invading and subjugating large swaths of other people's land.
Dennis: Random obscure references like Mindanao notwithstanding. And you can't imply that Islam is imperialist if it does nothing to act like an empire. Where's its centralized government? Its expansionary tendencies? Its open warfare with surrounding states?
There's still some land grab in the name of Allah going on, be it Kashmir, Kosovo or Chechnya. The Dar-ul-Islam idea has never dwindled, at least in the minds of some Muslims, and we the rest need to be wary of the political Islam, not ordinary Muslims.
I'd agree; Islam as a political idea can be hugely problematic; I've studied Islamism (Islam as "the answer to everything", including organization of government) a little, and I still don't understand its draw and disagree with its conclusions. However, part of the problem with it is that it doesn't explicitly mandate a specific structure; it leaves room for individuals to structure government to their own specifications, for better or for worse.
So you get to have a reset at 200 years and westerner civilization is held accountable fo a 900 year historical narrative perceived by most muslims that justifies there current grievances? How convenient.
So who are are the infidels that muslims are instructed to kill again exactly? Not the People of the Book was it – just the agnostics, atheists and those muslims that have left the faith? If I'm wrong please instruct me. Is there instruction for muslims to kill those of no faith?
As an agnostic, explain to me how much tolerance Islam has for those who believe as I do. Muslims want understanding, respect and to be left alone. Would atheists or agnostics be left alone, understood or respected in a muslim dominated land?
Satty, you took what I said out of context. My point is, Islam isn't an empire. In terms of the "call to kill the unbelievers", that's language bin Laden chose; he doesn't speak for and lead all Muslims. The thing is, Islam isn't monolitihic; it doesn't have one leader or one voice. You're identifying an extremist thought and extrapolating it to an entire community. You wouldn't be killed for being agnostic (exception: Shabab in Somalia, or other extremists). Muslims writ large might not like the concept of agnosticism, but the majority wouldn't force a conversion or kill you for it.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
This also might have something to do with it...
As has been mentioned elsewhere, the Quran can be twisted and taken out of context to justify your views. The same can be done with any other religious text. It's how people interpret those texts that makes the real difference. Some (Al Qaida and other Jihadis) have chosen to do what you've done; use Quranic passages to validate murder. The majority of Muslims choose not to interpret those passages as such.
Well it is a pretty blunt statement regarding kill others which I personally do not condone, but a large group of people do and that is scary in and of itself
so was and sometimes still is christianity. the crusades were a very dark time in the christian faith. as were the witch hunts. this want done solely for religious puposes. it ewas done for control of a population and territory. all in all it seems to be something that all faiths face. they all need to recognize greed and lust for power when they see it. faith should have nothing to do with either.
religion has nothing to do with any of this! it's simply stone age people with stone age beliefs, they have simply not evolved, gorrillas are still gorrillas, monkeys are still monkeys, just a bit more intelligent than radical muslims
sorta like some black people in this country! jesus, has anyone seen in person or on video the s#$%^$#t they do????? disturbing
If Muslims are going to be mad at America until we accept Sharia law, they will always hate us and their hatred needs a muzzle.
Put yourselves under Sharia Law if you think it is so great, however, do not harass others that don't follow your illegitimate "law" or you will suffer the consequences.
I wish the author would have looked at the difference between Muslims in different regions too, especially where they aren't the majority. Otherwise, enlightening article.
there is a very big problem, most of us don,t want to look at. world should try to solve the problem of israel, and phalstine, I think this is a catalist to whole thing, those who support terrism try to boost it with war of islam, and west logic, In my view west, and America are better friends to muslims than thier currupt,rejims,dactater,and leaders . when there is a disaster any where, even in muslim world america and western world stand very tall in helping victoms,as compare to muslim world.even leadership of those countries steal most of that help, should reach to needy
I've "looked at it" already.
Muslims took land from the Jews, and the Jews took it back with a better army.
And the muslims don't like it.
Sorry Muslims, we don't like people that abuse the brain washed, and never will.
How can anyone understand a society with violence and weapons? Neither Americans nor Muslims have made the right steps to undertand and respect each other.
Muslims' will get a long fine with the rest of the world when they accept the fact that they will NEVER be able to dominate the world with Sharia law.
NEVER
OK here's how you can convince me it was a "inside" job.
Find ONE person who wired ANY of the builds to implode. Now we know it takes MONTHS to wire a building, even longer if you have to move office desks, chairs, pictures, take down drywall, wire the explosives, lay the wire back to a central area, repair the dry wall, paint, move everything back to where it was before you started, clean up the mess. And not ONE person noticed, and the people who wired the building didn't say ONE word to anyone, not their wives or girlfriends.
So you want me to believe that they didn't say a word to anyone, nobody noticed anything was out of place, the "government" managed to kill all the people who wired the building, because if they didn't the people who did wire the build would only be safe if they talked. Then they flew a airplane into the building, why? They could have just blown up the buildings with the same results.
As far as a fuel fire not getting hot enough, here's a picture of a collapsed bridge, that was caused by a gasoline fire. The bridge was part of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge.
http://weblog.sinteur.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/ba_colspeaerialbbmaze3.jpg
But like I said find me just ONE person who did any of the work, just ONE.
It's not simply that it collapsed but HOW it collapsed....it was perfect. So we are supposed to believe the building just by sure luck collapsed into it own footprint just like a controlled demolition ? Do you have any idea on how unlikely this is ? As far as the building being rigged in advance....entirely possible. Heck it could have even been built right in.
It's called physics. You should familiarize yourself with it. You have something that massive structurally weakened the way it was, and guess which way it's going to fall? Straight down, with gravity. You would've needed a very different force acting on it to make it topple. In fact, there were people who said that after the first impact, the buildings *did* sway, but because the force of the impact wasn't enough to topple them, they fell straight down.
Believe what you will...but I watched them fall as well...the floor immediately below the impact zone collapsed onto the floor it, then they collapsed onto the floor below them, and so on...if it were a controlled demolition they would have taken out the support for the botton floor and collapsed the building onto itself...see the implosion of the old Aladin Hotel in Vegas for an example of how it is done (Video is on the web). The engineers who designed the WTC were on History Channel saying the collapse is exactly how they would have expected if jet fuel fires weaked the i-beam floor supports. I suppose in the world of truthers everyone except them is part of the conspiracy.
the floor right above the one that was weakened collapsed 20 feet. and since this thing called gravity was in effect, the next floor below the weakened one couldn't take the thousands of tons that just dropped 20 feet. It caused a domino effect. Go look at any controlled demolition, and you will see distinct timed explosions. There were none on 9/11
dan the plane hit one side. the fuel ignited first on one side. one side of that building got hotter faster than the rest. there should have been a tilt, a major one. there wasnt. not only that the second building fell exactly the same way. straight down. youre going to beleive that 2 huge buildings fell exactly the same way even though they were not hit by planes in the same spot? that the impact side did not get the most heat and get it first? that due to these facts the top floors should have slipped at least a little? but instead both went straight down? i dont knnow who did it, or why. i just know it shouldnt have fallen that perfectly.
The planes were not on the edge of the buildings. The planes penetrated the buildings and ended up inside (the middle) of them. The gas that was on fire is a liquid it poured down stairwells and everywhere else. It wasn't contained to one side of the building. Your knowledge of physics is poor. One side of a floor would not have held the weight of the entire structure that was above the floor in question. No tilt would have happened even if you say that all damage was to exterior of the buildings. It may have held for a fraction of a second and thats all.
And to fly a plane into a building, you have to fly into the side of it. You make the statement that they hit the side of the building as if they should have come up through the basement. You don't make sense. Those planes went will into the buildings. I believe the survivors from the lower floors before you. They said plane flew into deep into the building and it brought them down. They have a lot of evidence too. You have only your dislike for the USA
I was thinking you were a fool when I was reading your other posts. But thank you for removing all doubt with this whopper of a post
Whether it is UFOs, TWA 800 or the 9/11 mass murder, the conspiracy theorists are, as a group, fact blind. The ready fire- then aim approach ignores irrefutable evidence - and plays into a sub-culture in American life that sees the shadow of black helicopters looming just over the horizon.
As the expression goes, "THERE ARE NONE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE."
If you knew, or better yet studied HOW the buildings were constructed you'd know why they collapsed as they did. It was basically an inverted suspension bridge. Cables ran up one side, over the top and down the other side with immense tension on the cables. (You can see where the cables attached in the photos after they came down.) They were built like no other buildings in the world. The tension cables were to keep it steady in the high winds you get at that height. The heat from the jet fuel melted the sleeves separating the floors.
There will always be conspiracy theorists and they will always deny science and common sense when crafting explanations for conclusions they have already made based on nothing.
FOX X-Files Spin-off 'Lone Gunmen predicted 9/11 – MARCH, 2001.
I think it is beyond apparent when you watch the first 9|11 Memorial video by the Naudet Brothers, you see actual footage of the fire crew, preacher a large amount of people, even survivors all in the lobby of one of the towers. They are still in the lobby when the tower starts to collapse, pancaking down on them. I know people said explosives were wired into the bottom of the building, if that were true, the lobby would look like chaos. People believing it was an inside job simply do not want to accept Muslims did this. They would rather believe our own Government would want to kill these people, than Muslim Terrorists doing it. Sick really.
I think President Cheney knew the attack was coming and was prepared to impose Homeland Security and invade Iraq. Follow the money; straight to Halliburton!
Duuude ..... take the tin foil hat off and go out and get some sunlight.
Amen to your post. Wonderfully put. I am waiting for the answer myself. The "Truthers" just don't want to admit we have been attacked.
It does take months to wire a building with explosives and building 7 just happened to have been under construction for several months just before the attack. Do your research.
ARE YOU 1 OF THOSE GOOFY CONSPIRACY IDIOTS???...YOU PROBABLY VOTED FOR OBAMA TOO...
if they don't like it let them go home. home, where suicide bombers control elections.
home, where doctors, dentists, and engineers are a dime a dozen.
home, where corruption rules everyday life.
home, where allah rules supreme
hope there is not a bomb on the return flight.
the great silent majority would be glad to be rid of them, and their sharia.
HOME.
The matter is simple: Muslims are mad at America because Americans are not Muslim and Israel exists. Muslims need Bible education from to be civil. Secularism is de-spi-cable to them.
all muslims are terrorists
Seems like you are right–
Why don't you go home to Europe, White Boy?
I am guessing by your ignorant comment you are african american, how about you go back there?
Wow the fact that you assume African Americans are ignorant makes you a close minded redneck. Why don't you go back to Europe? This country doesn't belong to you.
Regarding buildings being wired. . . there were many things out of place leading up to 9/11. WTC complex was being rewired for fiber optic cables on upper floors. Video cameras were taken out of use during this time. Magnetic door locking systems which were the locking systems for all main doors in building were turned off so wiring mechanics had easy and total access to building. German Shepherd dogs that were there up til then starting after bombing of 1992 were discontinued in use during this wiring project also.
Folks need to research and not blindly believe and follow.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911security.html
Great links on this above link. Happy hunting.
911 was an INSIDE JOB. Open your eyes beyond the mainstream media and join us.
World Trade Building 7, a 47 story building fell 7 hours after the first two. Controlled demolition. AND NO PLANE HIT IT.
You are crazy. The fact that this kind of junk exists is itself evidence of how badly we have educated children in critical thinking.
get back on your medication
The video gives very little evidence to support its quick conclusion that it was a controlled demolition. Just because it looked like one, doesn't mean it couldn't have happened any other way. It surprises me how easily one could make absolute conclusions, when even the laws of physics take decades and countless experiments to test any given theory.
Exactly right, the most basic building demolition projects take two months of site preparation at the very least yet the 911 truthers choose to ignore that indisputable fact. They are amongst the dumbest people alive.
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&version=3&hl=en_US%5D
Interesting, but in the long run, it's become apparent this decade that Muslim anger at America has little to do with America and a lot to do with the sad fact that Muslims globally are more interested in killing someone-anyone-than get themselves out of the 7th century.
Muslims have much they do not like about how America treats them. But there is one thing that is the most fundamental: their perception that America seeks to undermine Islam – a perception held by overwhelming majorities
Heck yes! But why is that? It's because the extremists have a vision for a worldwide Caliphate...the entire planet under Islamic rule and Sharia Law. Of course we're going to undermine ANY system that seeks to infiltrate, divide and conquer the US. That the majority of Muslims don't share this vision is neither here nor there. The majority of Afghans did not share the Taliban's vision either, but they suffered under Taliban rule for a decade. When Obama slinks out of Afghanistan, the Taliban will be back in power within a month. The extremists are Islam's wolves and they have no problem with slaughtering Muslim sheep, along with Christian or Jewish sheep, in order to realize their dreams. What the Muslim majority thinks about the US isn't important. If they are not prone to extremism then they are a non-concern to us. The concern is that they will not stand up to the wolves when the time comes, and we'll all be doomed.
Until Islam understands the reasons why we seek to undermine it, then there can be no peace. And they'll just have to waste their lives being mad at us.
Exactly, the rest of the world will never accept worldwide Sharia law, so the Muslims will always hate the rest of the world. When do we put these rabid dogs to sleep?
Come on Cody, lose the hate!!! It would be nice if we Americans became a little more religious and a lot less greedy!!! Maybe then we won't be quite so anxious to go to war and try to conquer other countries around the world!
Some countries are more successful at dealing with muslim imperialism. For example, China.
If muslims were to invade China, their guts would hang from every telephone pole from Kashmir to Beijing.
This continued attempt to demonize America around the world by our very own media is ridiculous. On this page, it's talking about how the muslim world is angry with America. On another page, it's about muslims b!tching that they are so profiled and discriminated against in the West (LOL). Well....don't you think since we've been attacked on 9/11 and since muslim hatred towards America continues around the world, the people in the West might not trust or want islam infesting it? Americans are some of the nicest people on the planet and we are very open-minded but don't think for a second we're not smart enough to know who the enemy is.
Truth is, these tensions wouldn't exist if Islam didn't exist. Islam teaches Muslims to alienate themselves from anyone that is not willing to accept Sharia law, which happens to be alienating themselves from the majority of the world.
Who flew the planes moron? Was it CIA agents? George Bush Lovers? Was the plane on autopilot and the people parachuted out? Or did the americans reponsible give their lives up for the cause? Explain please your theory on who flew the planes, and tell my why those passengers that made phone calls before dying lied about the middle eastern men with accents taking the plane over. Answer those questions please.
Why would someone want to explain anything to someone who just called them a MORON ? What really kills me is the total lack of respect towards people with different or opposing views. Is it because we don't have to be accountable that common decency and respect goes out the window here ? I refuse to stoop to that level even here.
@ P8TRIOT....that Daniel guy is the one that's blind and ignorant!! He comes from people who fear/hate muslims the most...think about what I'm saying. Of-course he will spew hatred towards anyone who opposes him (he's a scared little man, I'm sure). Just ignore him...
He's that and worse. That is what makes people like him so dangerous.
People attack what they fear and do their best to destroy what they fear. Eventually some WILL seek extremist measures and be as bad as those who they fear. And they'll be treated as an extremist.
They actually believe that they repeat from extremist hate sites and deride those who speak from direct, personal experience and even with some intelligence information as liars and not knowing about what we SAW.
Indeed, I have a know it all cousin who knows ALL ABOUT the Middle East because her and her husband had their honeymoon in Morocco. My hysterical laughter rather undermined her, as Morocco is Berber and in Africa.
@mary–
Are you kidding?
Seriously you are having the extreme and blindingly stupid audacity to say Muslims couldn't possibly be behind these attack that the Government was? So you now want to say Muslim terrorists did NOT do the Embassy bombings in Africa, the USS Cole, the Bali bombing, the London bombing, the Madrid bombing, WTC 1 bombing back in 1993, India bombing, shoebomber, underwear bomber, the UPS explosives found in the planes of printer ink cartridges, recent Nigeria bombing, the near Times Square bombing, I could go on. You want to say all of those were done by the US Government and NOT by Muslims? How about the Lockerbie bombing, let me guess the Scots did that one huh. Yeah keep your head buried DEEP in the sand. Your denial is outstanding.
I agree with you and also ask for proof from them. It is that bury the head in the sand mentality that allowed the attacks on 9/11. When will this nation wake up and realize that in our quest to make the rest of the world like us we are making enemies everywhere?
What they can't explain away is why the 19 Egyptians are honored in the mooslum world. They sure believe these boys did it. Did we just make those people up? The families and followers of the 19 are proud of what they did. Has any of those men we accused shown up alive? Did we just have them tied up with the luggage so they couldn't refute the story. Those men were alive one day, and on 9/11 they flew planes into our buildings and died. These men had hometowns that now honor them. Their families know they did it. These same men took flying lessons in the midwest. The people who owned the company remembers some of them. And they also remember these men only wanted to learn how to operate a plane once its flying. The 19 had no interest in learning how to take-off or land a plane. Coincidence i guess.
We're still waiting on how you came about your fact Mary. You make a statement that a hundred Moussad agent flew back to Israel after 9/11. How do you know this? You love to state facts, but cannot back it up.
If a spy is so easily seen returning from a job- Then is it really a spy? Hundred of Mousad agents? Come on? Really? You really think such crafty spies are so stupid? I think it is obvious- if Western Nations wanted to attack any country- they could make up an excuse WITHOUT attacking themselves first. For Hundreds of years- MUSLIM NATIONS used the excuse of protecting Islam and Muslims from others in order to launch THEIR RELIGIOUS WARS.
It isn't that people don't want to believe you truthers. You just don't show any believable proof. There is not one person standing up and acknowledging they helped wire the buildings to explode. There is not one person who can prove beyond a doubt that there were explosives planted. We can prove beyond a doubt that two planes were flown into those buildings. Why if tons of explosives and miles of wire were planted in the buildings would planes be needed to fly into them? We are just asking for proof positive and from the people responsible for the actions taken in your belief of what happened that day. We are not asking for you to use nasty words and remarks and any that were used on you were not justified either. Just please give us the proof we are asking for.
You don't have opposing views, you have fiction, fabrication and a serious case of delusion. You're called a moron because your beliefs ARE MORONIC to say the least. As far as I'm concern anyone who expresses the idea that the towers were brought down by a controlled demolition should automatically be forced to under go a psych evaluation to see if they're an imminent threat to themselves or others they're so utterly and hopelessly disconnected from reality and married to their fictions.
Hey P8triot, it wasn't luck that the buildings collaped, 2 really large oblects with thousands of gallons of gas flew into them. I'm supposed to believe it was lucky that the buildings came down. Go take a physics class. I do love when the truly ignorant make themselves known.
I beg to differ with your Theory. I'm not saying I know who did it. I just believe there was much more going on that day then what we were led to believe. Gee they found that Hijacker Passport pretty fast though. Lets see the plane hits the building and vaporizes into a fireball BUT the Passport survives...Priceless !
The plane did not vaporize into a fireball, it was the fuel that vaporized into a fireball. Finding a passport, things are what they are. Idiot.
@ WAYNE Hey Wayne or whatever your real name is are you paid to do this stuff ? Or are you just another fat imbacile who wraps themselves in an American Flag while watching Monday night Football ? So as long as an "Official" tells you how it is then that must be " how it is " After all our Maninstream Media and government would NEVER lie to us would they Wayne ?
Guess who agrees with me. The Moozlums u love so much. They know who flew into the buildings. Their posters hang in the streets of Middle Eastern countrys and they are celebrated as hero's. These men's families are very proud of them. Their hometowns have celebrations in their honor. We didn't make this crap up.
did you not see the massive amount of paper debris coming from the 2 towers? It looked like a ticker-tape parade. It all was not vaporized. You need to quit watching the Daily Show for your information. You have no knowledge of physics.
Gee all that paper came out of the plane without burning....incredible !
There will always be conspiracy theorists and they will always deny science and common sense when crafting explanations for conclusions they have already made based on nothing..
Like these guys ?
http://www.ae911truth.org/
I'll explain it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No...the americans on those planes did not willing give up their lives??? Now who's stupid!!! However, the supposed terrorist did THINK they were conducting a mission called for by muslim extremest "Al Queda" or who-ever. But they were actually ordered etc by undercover agents (passing for muslims) from either the US or Israel....PERIOD!!! Why don't you explain the hundred or so Moussad agents that returned to Israel the day after the attacks?!?!!? Those building's were brought down and those poor people died so the US could steal all of the natural resources from the Middle East that they no longer possess!!!!!!!!!!!!
please provide the name of one Musad Agent that went back after 9/11. How do you know this information? It wouldn't be public knowledge. Do tell. The ignorant are waiting for your knowledge.
Mary......we're waiting on your intimate knowledge of Muassad and its goings on. How do you know about these agents? or maybe you are a liar.
Mary, do the world a favor and go jump off a bridge. No one will miss you. You have no brains, and have no business being in a democratic country. The idea that people like you are allowed to vote makes me want to puke.
You are just believing lies. What you are saying is false.
Someone near Mary throw a net over her get her the mental health care she so desperately and obviously needs.
Frankly, I think it went down exactly the way it obviously did, with hijackers and lots of fuel. I just wonder how Dick Cheney knew it was going to happen so he could move the chimp to an undisclosed location. I think Cheney called Osama and told him to go ahead, and I'd like Cheney to have a chance to defend himself in court if that's not true. If it's not true, why is Bush so sad about Osama's death?
Shut up already, you relativist douch-bag!
My experience has been that in America, people tend to ignore others who hold different beliefs. Jews ignore Gentiles, Catholics ignore Protestants and atheists ignore everyone. I can assure Muslims that if they want to live in the 12th century, no one here will object!
As long as they dont try to get autonomy in America to replace our laws with their own sure they can do what they want, they just need to keep it to themselves.
The problem is with Muslims is that they are brain washed to hate other religions. I have lived with Muslims so know this first hand. While living in India, they support Pakistani team and for that matter any Muslim team. I am here in US for almost 20 years. I have rarely seen/heard Muslim clerics denouncing terrorist acts whether be it in US or around the world. They were celebrating 9/11 attack in most parts of the Muslim world. How can you celebrate death of innocent people? I agree that in US and West, Muslims are more moderate but still they hate Christians (some blame goes to Christians too). Around Indian subcontinent, they hate Hindus. They have crusaders like Ahmed Deedat etc whose sole aim is to belittle other religions.
Yet those people celebrating would gladly accept our free handouts and monetary aide. Screw them.
All.
In the butt.
They like it anyway.
yes – I have lived with muslims and I second Atul's views. They fight with every other non-muslim country. And they also fight within own countries; detonating suicide bombs etc. They are a violent and disgrace to this world
I welcome an analysis that focuses on Western/Christian culture as the Muslem nemisis. All too often is heard the refrain that if Israel would just disappdear, the Muslim threat would decline. The fact is that if Israel was gone tomorrow (with its 5 million Jews), Muslims would still want revenge against the 1.5 billion Christian West for abscounding with their rightful ownership of the world. This isn't going to change no matter what view westerners have of Islam. While I believe the whole world would welcome a better understanding coming from both sides, the reality is that only fear of the West's military power, and particularly that of the U.S., will deter Islamofascists from wreaking havoc on us and our children.
They hijacked planes scheduled to fly across the country so the gas tanks would be full. The picked them up in Boston so it would be a short flight to New York. What i saw were 2 building collapse after 2 very large planes flew into them. Brilliantly simple on the Mooslums part. Your hatred for your own country skews your logic if you have any. And yes thousands of gallons of gasoline can weaken building supports enough to make a structure that weigh thousands of tons collapse.
No planes or jet fuel was involved with WTC Building 7 Collapse. It was demolished.
I agree to some extent! This was the greatest lie evr told to the US and it's citizens. I formally apologize to all american muslims!!!!
Mary....at least give me the source of your mis-information, so i can look it up myself. Typical liberal
"typical liberal"
Just plain outstanding Daniel. You are the epitome of the reason I have $5,000 in cash stashed in my house – in case my family ever finds itself unsafe and needs to flee before the trucks pull up outside the house. I would never leave my country unless my country left me, and I it sure feels like it is leaving me by the day.
I am honestly in fear of the ignorant, simplistic mindset taking over the country, with this mindset believing that all of these complex, intractable problems have easy answers. When that mindset becomes ubiquitous, people like me (take your pick, Jewish, intellectual [for SHAME!], socially responsible) are rounded up and put onto trucks and into freight cars again.
I want to be clear this is not a personal attack. It's just when I hear rhetoric spoken and the person has all the answers, the "gestapo alarm" goes off in my head. At that point I realize the person speaking would not change his mind for any reason short of the appearance of a burning bush, in light of whatever facts may exist.
Remember that old adage about wisdom is realizing you know nothing? People who make sweeping generalizations and personal attacks against the other group while claiming to have the best interests of the country at heart frighten me. This goes for both liberals and conservatives.
We have just as serious an internal battle at home as in the Muslim world, not between the liberals and the conservatives, or the Christians and the Muslims or Jews, but between miserable pugilists who only exist to goad the people with opposite viewpoints, and the people who are honestly and sincerely trying to improve the world through honest debate and trying to at least validate, if not agree with, all perspectives.
Of the two sides just listed, which category would the phrase "typical liberal" fit into, do you figure?
If I wasn't jet lagged on top of insomnia, I wouldn't even bother to comment, because I'm not going to change your mind any more than you're going to change mine, and I can respect that other people have a different viewpoint, but I figure maybe a person or two will read this and a lightbulb will turn on with the silent majority of Americans who are sick of all the vitriol and just want to be Americans who don't need to stash wads of cash to flee the country in case they pull up outside in the truck.
Don't think it can't happen again. It can and it will, though something tells me you're not going to be the one on the bus.
Kevin, you can't just claim the term "socially responsible" for yourself and expect others to go along with your assessment. It's a non-content label intended, it would appear, to demonize everyone who doesn't think exactly the same way as you do. It seems to me to be anti-intellectual; claiming the moral high ground without showing that it is deserved. It occurs to me that how to define what is "socially responsible" is exactly what is being disputed here. Muslims, apparently, believe that what is "socially responsible" is a governing system tied in closely with Sharia. Atheists a system where religion is relegated to the fringes if not done away with altogether. Socialists want a system where power is concentrated in the hands of a few, in the name of the many. Federalists want a system where power is maximally retained in the hands of individuals, where actual governance is as close to home as possible. Christians may belong to either of these latter two groups depending on personal or denominational concerns, or be following another vision of what is "socially responsible".
So, yes, you are arguing for your vision of what is "socially responsible"; but, so are they. Please, stop misapplying the term. It doesn't belong to you and your ilk alone.
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You must be the virgin Mary because you are surely naive. Either that or you are a Muslim. Please ask your fellow Muslims to move to a Muslim country. We don't want Sharia law here.
All Americans, you are fighting for a lost cause. Take it from us, you can not fight Muslims. If they are already there in your homeland, they will take over. Here are the strategies they use – they will produce more, they will import more and they will convert some of your folks. And they will wait till the critical mass is reached before they claim for their pound of flesh. Even if one particular Muslim man/woman is liberal in his values and thoughts, there is no guarantee that his/her son will be liberal in his thoughts. You will wonder 'why', answer is that's what they are taught in very very passionate way. After all, one can not speak "English" if he is taught "French" all his life. This I am telling from thousand plus years of experience we have with them in India. So, forget fighting them. For your help, I can share my strategy, I will switch over, I don't want to get killed or traumatized.
Hey, "An Indian", you fail to realize that liberal ideals are already being assaulted in the US, not by Muslims, but by idiotic right-wing Christians.
Unfortunately the Hindus do not have clean hands either. Just look at the victims of the riots. They are men,women and children who happen to be Christians, Muslims and Hindus. Most cases killed by their neighbors. It is easy to create hate for another human being and blame it on religion. It is criminal people that kill and not whatever religion they claim to practice.
an indian [india] did you star in the movie dumb or dumber ? you people have been around a long time killing each other . other then a handful , the rest of you are poor uneducated slobs who mistreat women and attempt to brainwash your children . and you are going to do what to who ?
Mary, you have lost your mind!!!!!Your an infidel!
the massive amount of energy given off by those falling building are more than enough to knock a neighboring building down. Kudos to the architects that more buildings didn't fall. A smaller building is destroyed right next to two huge demolished buildings and thats your proof? My god your ignorant of physics.
p8tri0t -
You said, " I just believe there was much more going on that day then what we were led to believe."
Your comment is a classic example of the difference between mere opinion and provable fact. The difference is an anathema to the so-called conspiracy theorists - which of course - is why they ignore it.
The same small fraction of society will always talk the way patriot does, don't try to reason with him. Just accept that the our society produces a small number of people like him that don't cause any real problems.
@skepticoftheskeptics : We no longer are a fringe Minority FYI. More people are waking up everyday. Keep believing it's "just the Muslims" . Forget the Financial Terrorists sucking the world Economy dry. What were the Twin Towers symbolic for ?
@ flyingram ...And you probably think Water Fluoridation is good for you.
You are the classic example of a person who cannot think for themselves. I
You are one if the whack jobs that believes this conspiracy crap. I bet yout hink Palin and Bachman would make great presidents too
You believe a Conspiracy...The Official One.
Ever wonder why so many people don't believe the official Conspiracy Theory ?
Palin and Bachmann...NO !...Ron Paul ....YES
YES. EXACTLY. He's no Dispensationalist.
Meant to reply to a Vote Ron Paul shout out.
Or..."RuPaul yes!!"
Hopefully though we can still have Bachmann and Palin jello wrestle at the convention? And I'm thinking a Ron Paul/Kim Kardashian ticket might win the day. Ron Paul seems like a decent guy, but he'd have that wacky checks and balances thing to deal with, so his agenda would be DOA baby.
You listed Actors for 911 as a source. Do i need say more. George Clooney is an Idiot. He was one of many liberals who fought for a Washington state law that you can't have fires on the beach anymore because it helped cause global warming.
I can't even begin to explain how absolutely stupid the American haters are in this country. Go Katt Williams. a brother who loves the USA
i love my country tyvm. my family have always been in the armed forces. i supported our troops even when i did not agree with the war. i speak up for my country, i upho;d the rights of others. even people like you who have to resort to name calling. its called freedom of speech. ive lost loved ones in this war and others. dont ever say i dont love my country. i simply refuse to be fed whats told to me as gospel. i open my eyes and use my mind. something was very wrong with the way the buildings fell our governments reaction. the refusal to see who was partially responsible for 911. follow the money trail, it leads to the sauddies, most of the hijackers were saudie, a saudie prince led the group that claimed this abomination. yet we looked elsewhere for what was under our noses. as a matter of fact, if you care to lok the financing of the taliban is STILL mostly funded by saudie money. you say i cant see the truth, i say you only see what your blinders will allow you to. due to the name calling as far as im concerned enjoy commenting to yourself.
Hey Mate ! Well said.But sadly a piece of paper is what is percieved as a yardstick to define stupidity and intelligence.
"People only believe the official story of 9/11 because they don't know the official story of 9/11."
Well John, please enlighten the rest of us poor ignorant fools as to the "official 9/11 story. I'm sure you have intel the rest of world was never privileged to.
You obviously haven't lost two friends like I did, who worked in one of those buildings. Take a bath and take your quaran in there with you.
Go to hell
I used to live in alabama.
Well, what's the REAL story? I've read all of the conspiracy sites. And they've all been debunked by people using common sense.
I'm not American but visited many times these naive liberals will destroy your county like they are destroying many other western countries in this world. Muslims have nothing but excuses for their failures. They blame the Jews, America or the west but never from their religion.
Could you cut the Tea Party lingo out? It has no place here. Leave that for the ignorant Tea Partiers to use!
It doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to figure out why the Muslims hate us so. Just look at what we're doing abroad, defeating and occupying one Muslim country after another, trying to make their religion a thing of the past and getting them to embrace Capitalism instead. If I were a Muslim, I'd feel the same way!!!
Capitalism is a religion????
American military might is on their way, preventing the quick advance of Muslim religion worldwide.That the only reason they're mad at America.
If we want to get a long with Muslims we all just have to subscribe to Sharia law! Problem solved.
Get your burkas on ladies, guys stop shaving and start beatin those women for wanting to be smart and do something more than housework.
I don't have a burka - where do I get one?
I wish we could just get rid of religion. It creates so many unnecessary problems such as these.
I read the article and searched the comments for the word 'illiterate'. I didnt find it once. Which is remarkable, because the greater majority of the muslim world is in fact illiterate. Many are illiterate except for the fact that they can read the Koran, in Arabic, whether it is their native language or not. The muslim world hates America, because it is illiterate, uneducated and their mullahs and clerics TELL them and preach hate....many have no knowledge of the world outside the 50 mile radius of their homes...the knowledge gap that exists is wholly islam's ...
We don't believe in muhammad.
Who cares if they are mad at us?! We are mad at them. If they want to come and stay, then "melt" into the melting pot. Otherwise, go back from whence they came and practice their dark age's so-called religion. When they visibly do more to "clean up their own," then we might like them again.
One can never reconcile Islam with women's rights, universal suffrage or Western democracy. There is no such thing as a "moderate Muslim." A moderate Muslim is an unfaithful Muslim.
Yes, America should back off Muslim business, we do not belong in Iraq [ aka Babylon], Iran, Afghanastan, [poppy opium capital world supplier] America should stop trying to be what it is not, world police force to enforce democracy. We should be exporting USA manufactured goods but Nixon 1974 trade agreement with China caused exodus of America's manufacturing based economy, look at what we have now. Muslims have right to be mad at America for interferring but personally, I dont trust any of them since they can lie to cover up agenda playing good guy/bad guy routine. America should stay out of their busisness and they should stay out of ours and NO MOSQUE at GROUND ZERO, which is major insult and represents Muslim conquest of America, do the research yourselves. With that in mind Americans have right also to be mad at Muslims too, works both ways.
I really don't care if Muslims are mad at America. America is very welcoming of all religions and cultures. What we object to is a society that comes to America and then wants America to change it's legal system and laws to accomodate them. While it may be okay to oppress women in a Muslim country or carry out Sharia law, it is not okay to do that in the US. If their idea of religious freedom practices violates the democratic principles and laws that this country was founded on, they should simply not come here.
I wish CNN had a kiddie section for the violent idiots that inhabit these boards, a place where they could play Doom-like scenarios on each other without disturbing the adults.
Why do Muslims hate Americans? Read the comments these fools make.....it's no mystery.
I've been traveling the world for 30+ years. The rest of the world has always "not liked us" but loved us at the same time. It's the "haves & have nots" scenario that have existed since man first walked the earth. We have nothing to apologize for and I don't have a problem being envied by the rest of the world. I thought that was part of what we are e.g. the best country in the world to live in. So, we are going to drop to second or third best so others will like us. I have not desire to be liked by all or most. Respected? Yes. Only the acutely self-absorbed and insecure care about being liked. Unfortunately, that's a lot of Americans.
As an American, I tell the muslims that: (1) Bush created the present us against them mentality, and (2) many Americans can not listen to others and are simply unteachable on this issue as a result. If you doubt this, read the comments here.
How can one man put us against another culture? Did Kennedy put us against Cubans? Did Nixon put us against Vietnamese? I am of course talking about mentality. Bush didnt put us against them. I can, with complete confidence say, it was the actions by the select few that attacked our country on 9/11. What about the attacks that followed after Bush left office? Oh wait, there were not any more attacks because I guess the mentality that Bush caused made people aware of their surroundings and thus caused a decline is attacks and attempted attacks.
I say that we are too sensative to other cultures. People who come to the US need to learb our culture and respect our way of life!! If you dont like the way we live, get out!
Mulims are not tolerant and Americans and whole world is mad at them.CNN is biased printing articles like this proof that it is infiltrated by muslims.
Steve's article is written for trolls. Five years of research distills down to this article? That's extremely hard to believe. If anything Steve completely ignores how the west is leary and weary of Mohammadists undermining the western way of life. So thanks for the troll bait and once again the quality of the article is a shade away from having been published in The National Enquirer.
Who cares what ragehads think of us...they are the ones that have been fighting for centuries about one thing or another! They started the 9/11 isue...not us...there are countries in the world in turmoil and most of them are raghead countries and we should carewhat they think about us! LOL!cnn can go to h e l l also along with the writer of this article for trying t push the agenda for us to kiss the behinds of the filth from the middle east.
Let's get honest here- the only real sticking point between the USA and Islam is the USA's continued support of what the USA govt helped create: Israel.
How did the US create Isreal? They are a far older country than we are and mature in many other ways. All part of the plan my friend.
Amen Joe. Israel existed long before Islam was even a fart of an idea in mohammed's brain, and will exist until long after Islam disappears, and Christ returns to his throne in Jerusalem.
I hope, God willing.
What history books are you reading? Israeli perspective of history? Palestine is older than Israel or any other country. Stop spreading Israeli historical propaganda.
I think the reference is to Israel creation in 1948; yes, in religious (i.e.biblical) terms they have been around a lot longer, however the mandated removal of Palestinians from their homes (of which US was a part in deciding) which they rightfully believed were theirs since no 'secular' state of Israel existed on that land is what Chris means. (I think !)
The notion that arab muslims (since there were no "palestinians" in 1948) were kicked out of their homes so that Jews could steal / move in to them is wholly FALSE. One of the many myths of arab propaganda they so gleefully propagate to justify their terror against jewish civilians (and others) today in Israel, and around the world.
You're correct. Israel is the root of all evil. USA is bankrupt, no net job gain since September 2011. It's all because of American support for Israel. If there was no support for Israel, USA and Muslim countries would be in good terms and there would be no need for wars and 9/11.
But, because of irrelevant farts called "Israel", we all have to suffer.
Israel is a small "fart", as irrelevant and ugly as possible. But, Americans gave them trillions of dollars, equipped them with the most advanced weapons so they could occupy Muslim land and torture and kill Muslim civilians and bully Muslim world in general. There cannot be peace without justice. USA is bankrupt. No net gain in jobs since Sept 2011. 100 million of Americans use food stamps to survive. Your life standard is worse than in Albania.
Israelis and Jews have a "victimhood" complex. They are Islamophobes (they hate Muslims) and they wish to force us to respect them. They want to be "masters". They expect us to feel sorry for their suffering in the Holocaust. If we don't (not necause we don't care, but because we are busy with our daily lives), they get angry.
USA needs to show respect to Muslims. Otherwise, go and f yourselves.
Why all the hate. Most of the world worships your god. Languages differ but many people are in league with Satan. I think that's how it translates out.....yes that's it. Hope that is educational.
I'm sorry, that's BS. I'm not even kidding. If you hate America, we're a free country, you're free get f-ing out of here.
I despise my government's policies in the Middle East, Mr. Manoj, because they are immoral and unjust, not to mention illegal. I am American and believe in American ideals about freedom, justice, and democracy, which my government tramples shamelessly. If you actually suppprt US government policies in the MIddle East, I'd say GET THE #*$^#&# OUT since people like you are a danger to the ideals, principles, and future of this country.
...If people like YOU are the future of this country, please go eat a bullet along with the rest of liberal society.
AGREED! I could not have said it better myself!
These guys need to revisit history. The Muslims (Moors) attacked Spain and France WAY before the Crusades. Their civilization peaked about 1400 AD (quick, name the last great invention from a Muslim country). The rulers of these countries don't even need their subjects in order to remain wealthy from oil money. Muslim women have been treated like cattle for so long they think they are fortunate that they aren't treated like dogs. ANd THEY are mad at US? Gimme a break...
Lets see, Algebra... that sure came in handy with lots of inventions. Most of the star charts and astronomy came from Arabs... that came in handy too.
What do you tell a Muslim woman with 2 black eyes? Nothing...she's already been told twice already!
Does this argue against doing business with people around the world? If people are actually genuinely trying to have their own struggles to run their lives and nations within and without religion as the above states, can Americans ever do business abroad. Doing business inevitably puts us in the position of wanting stability and someone competent to work with. It seems that people abroad who are competent too often are perceived negatively.
As always, the root of the problem is religion. Not just Islam, not just Christianity: all religions that raise their people to believe in something unfounded, and to instruct them to destroy all who who do not believe. The human race is doomed to fight itself to extinction over the boogey-man.
Muslims invaded Christian land first...the Byzantine Empire, Egpyt, washing through Christian north Africa, then very much interwoven into Europe, eventually into Spain, an attempted invasion of France, into the Balkans. The crusades was an attempt to reclaim land that Muslims conquered and to abate the threat of invasion into European heartlands. The Muslim preoccupation with their distorted view of history is nothing more than excuse to justify their anger. The Saudi version of Islam has spread throughout and Islam, once in many ways more tolerant than Christianity, more forward thinking and willing to embrance modernity, has become very much less so and these intolerances more than anything arethe roots that feed their anger. But it's always easier to blame someone else. Some Christians do the same thing with gays. Muslims use westerners.
Do you really care???? there have never been any Christian lands...Jesus was very clear !!!! My kingdom is not of this world!!!!!
Hey big sir, blame Pres Bush again. Muslims have hated us long before Pres Bush came to office. In reasoning it only took 6 months to come up with the attack on 9/11. Apologist make me sick to my stomach. I could care less what any muslim thinks. If they hate us so much go back to the Middle East. They yell that they just want a new life, but they turn around and act as if they never left their own country. I am sick of them thinking we should have to change for them. They can all go straight to *)KF. No I do like or trust any one of them and if that offends you so be it. I dont care what so ever.
They are mad because we have not been "subjugated and subdued" – as their unholy quran tells them to do to infidels / nonbelievers,
we have not submitted to their false prophet or their demonic lord. And we never will.
I'm not sure from your text, but are you yourself "subjugated and subdued" to a holy spirit? If not then I read it wrong, I apologize. But if yes, then explain how one persons lord is any less ridiculous than another's?
Islam "subjugates and subdues" people by deceit, force and violence. Christianity does not "subjugate and subdue" anyone. Christians are Christians because they voluntarily choose to be followers of Christ. Christianity is spread by verbal persuation and by Good Samaritans demonstrating Christian values. Islam and Christianity are as different as night and day. Before you criticize Christianity, you might want to think about educating yourself on the subject.
ahpii,
the very key difference between those who follow my God, and those who follow your demon,
is that no one will threaten me with DEATH or condemn me to being stoned to death if I decide to convert OUT of christianity (or judaism, or buddhism, or hinduism, etc)
only islam is that sick, that afraid of its own potential to fail that they need to hold a sword to people's necks in order to get them to convert, and to stay converted.
sick cult is sick, and needs to be cured.
If we took just a short break from handing Israel everything they want on a silver platter and helping the Palestinians get their own state it would go a long way towards ending this mess. Muslims believe we will help Israel 100 % with no chance of ever recognizing the Palestinian rights for their own homeland and they resent that. This is the number one thing we could do right now and it would really help a lot.
A homeland for the Palestinians will not solve any conflict in the region. Nations in the area wish for Israel to cede lands for this brand new nation, yet they are unwilling to give a hectare of theirs. The US gives plenty to both sides. Perhaps the answer is to stop giving to both sides.
giving this newly invented group of people "the palestinians" anything is equivalent to taking away EVERYTHING israel wants,
its right to exist, its right to its own holy city (jerusalem), and its right to not suffer terrorist attacks and rockets every single day as it has been since they first gave the "palestinians" autonomy.
If you knew anything about history, and the words and statements of arab/ muslim / "palestinian" leaders,
you'd know this was part of their plan to destroy Israel, just start with a little piece, and move from there.
Palestine does not exist. Why is it that Israel is the only country on the planet that MUST give away land to people who have vowed to destroy them? Imagine if Iran and North Korea demanded parts of the US. There was a fight, Israel won. THere were more fights, Israel won those too. Usually winners get the prize.
No, it would not help at all. It would make things worse. Consider the current distribution of land between Muslims and Jews. 22 Islamic states have more then 5,000,000 square miles. Israel has 9,000 square miles. There are 1.3 billion Muslims worldwide, and just under 5 1/2 million Jews in the nation of Israel. Israeli Jews have less than half the land per person that Muslims in Arab states have. Israelis have no land that they can give up and still be able to defend themselves. The Arab Muslim countries should be allowing Arab Muslims in Israel who want to, to immigrate into their countries. However, they won't do so, because they want the conflict to continue. Since Arab Muslim countries could mitigate the conflict by changing their immigration policies, but choose not to, the blood is on their hands.
Muslims seem to think Western civilization is as it always have been. They fail to realize we have changed over the decades and centuries as well. The West has learned to accept differences in its people to a great extent. We are not 100% there, but we move closer. Democracy is not what 50.1% want or force over the 49.9% others. It is respecting all the people's freedoms and rights, not imposing the will of that majority on the minority. What we in the West do not understand is how one man's conscience can be forced by others. If one man reject Islam, is that not a private matter for him? Why should his neighbors be able to deny him his thoughts? A century ago, a Western woman would not have dared to bare her ankle in public. Respecting the rights of women meant allowing those women to decide whether a bare ankle was scandalous or not. Islam teaches peace. Peace is come by through tolerance. Tolerance is respect. You respect by accepting someone's differences of your own. The West is not imposing its will on Islam. Islam is rejecting the respect of their followers to decide to follow or be different. Either tighter chains will be needed or the system fails. Freedom knows the only lasting chains are self-imposed. When Islam recognizes their neighbors can be different without harm to themselves, Islam will be stronger – perhaps not in numbers but in faith.
When will the world realize that the heart of this issue is GOD & HIS right to rule here on this planet, moslems believe it is their god's right to rule here JEWS & (real) CHRISTIANS disagree, ask yourself what religion calls for the annihilation of all others....islam! We are in a religious war, islam will not stop until they subjugate or destroy everyone & everything that is not moslem. you don't believe me read their book!
Islam is a totalitarian political system. There's no disputing that. Their irrational judicial system & violent religious tendencies are anathema to a Progressive and tolerant society. I just don't give a crap what they think about us because they are embracing an oppressive ideology. No thanks.
USA has been muslims best friend for years. We kicked saddam out of kuwait, and supported muslims in ethnic cleansing in serbia, and have led the way in getting rid of dictators in the arab world that have killed millions of innocent muslims on their own. We allow them to migrate to our country to become citizens and make something of themselves, and all they do is complain. Don't like this country, you have the right to leave and go somewhere else. When are you people gonna wake up and realize the USA is the best friend you've ever had?
Well, the study would make more sense if it did not seem like there is a genuine push to commit genocide in the middle east against Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims. Israel is regarded negatively because it is a state that is based on a religion other than Islam.
Assad oppresses people, the Iranian theocracy oppresses people, but they survive because they claim to support Islam and hate Israel.
@BigByrd: So, no religion = no war? Sounds like the best option for survival!
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Mmm, I believe WWI and WWII were started for reasons other than religion. Oh, I guess you wouldn't know that. Your kind are too busy watching Sponge Bob and playing computer games to be educated.
Agreed, religion is not the reason for all conflict and human suffering. But without it, wouldn't we see a lot less? What if all the resources and energies poured in to supporting a house of worship were turned toward easing poverty, disease and famine on the globe? To protecting the meek from those that seek personal gain through violence? But not in the name of religion, in the name of Mankind.
Muslim culture was damaged by the writings of al-Ghazali, who argued that cause-and-effect doesn't exist and everything is the will of Allah. Nine hundred years ago his work "The Incoherence of the Philosophers" took Muslim intellectual life away from reason and turned it towards mysticism. They have declined ever since. The Renaissance happened IN Christian Europe, Big Oil happened TO the Muslims. The fight against Jihad is definitely a clash of civilizations and until it is won by the West the Muslim culture is a source of danger for the world.
Why would Muslims be surprised that we support liberal causes in their countries and not rabid religious causes? One wants to include us and one wants to kill us.
They never wake up!! Even in India lot of muslims intentionally supports Pakistan cricket team to upset fellow indians. If you say rabbit has 4 legs, they will say no it has only 3 legs. This is what their behavior. No one can do anything unless Allah shows up in front of them and say something for their good.
Why is the Middle East stuck in the crusade era? Those wars occurred over 500 years ago. times have changed. society has made significant technological break throughs as well as advanced individual freedoms for peace. Let alone, when Muslims refer to us (Americans) as a crusading force that dates back over 500 years ago, do we need to remind them that America was not even a country then? Let alone, how could Americans been planning an agenda to take over the Muslim world since before the conception of the American nation? Sounds like these nut jobs in the Middle east need a history lesson and common sense.
I really don't care that much how Muslims feel toward us. The author claims that a majority of Muslims denounce terrorism. Maybe that's true. I don't think so, but maybe it is true. Regardless, Muslims still hold the rule of the Koran above the rule of law and that puts them at odds with the west.
If you truly want to change opinion, you need to first have understanding. For those who truly want world peace, consider hosting an AFS exchange student – this week! Having a teen from the Middle East shows you just how alike we are, and lets the student have a loving family in the US. Everyone wins, (which is the basis for true justice).
Western Society is an open secular society based on individual rights. Islamic Society is a closed religious society based on religous dogma which cannot be challenged. Like oil and water these will never mix but one should not attempt to impose its principles on the other. Live and Let Live and we all will Live in Peace.
You bring up a good point: religious dogma in politics. Religious intolerance isn't just the language of Islam. If we want to take a step in the direction of our own version of Sharia Law, vote a Bachmann or Romney or Perry in to office. How many generations of Presidents with these viewpoints will it take to bring us down that path? No, we would all be consumed in a nuclear firestorm before we got too far. And some people think that would be God's will. Scary.
Does POD stand for Piece of Dung ??? That is obviously what inhabits your skull. Peace can only be achieved when two parties desire it. They don not want peace; they want to conquer and abolish us and our way of life. How in the world did you become sooooo naive ??? What do they have to do kill you and your family to make you believe that they, Like Hitler are just plain EVIL ????
We can engage in a discussion when women are treated equally and when there aren't attacks on Christian churches in Muslim countries. You have to understand how to live in the 21st Century.
I'm pretty sure they are mad at us because we don't have intercourse with children. We think it's silly that any god would loathe having their picture drawn. Because we don't beat up women and young girls and make the cover their faces. Because we don't stone our friends over wild accusations. Because we don't all have sweet beards. Because we think the desert sucks. Because we actually have a use for all the oil they have. Because they can't seem to figure out where the deodorant isle is.
The article completely ignores the issues of what Muslims in the Middle East do to their own people. Death for adultery and a myriad of human rights violations. Islam is a primitive religion stuck in the Dark Ages (and not the Middle Ages as the article likes to refer to it).
If the Muslims immigrants are unhappy in America why don't they return to their countries? America should never have allowed them settle here. It is like raising wolf's in your own backyard.
Do the Muslim countires allow easy immigration into their own countries for the non-Muslims or allow their places of worship?
Where ever the Muslims become a majority population they kick out or make life so difficult for the non-Muslims, e.g. Middle East, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kasmir, Bangla-desh, etc.
That's a BIG 10-4 !!!
The world is full of religious fighting and for some weird reason most fights involve muslims against somebody else. Name me just one non-muslim group with whom muslims actually get along. Just one, please!
The dead.
well said!
Clever! Had not thought of that one.
I REALLY dont care if (some) Muslims are mad at America. If you dont like this country, dont live here, move here or otherwise interact with us. Its a personal choice. If you dont like that your government supports or interacts with the US, change your government.
According to this article, Muslims think the West is trying to change them and that is bad. The FACT is the Koran says Muslims have an obligation to CHANGE all non-Muslims. If words dont work, then by force. It is Muslims that want to FORCE others to change to accommodate them. I lived in Saudi Arabia where I could not attend a Christian service BY LAW. No Western country forbids the practice of Islam. I have lived in Qatar where I was forced to comply with Shria. Same in Afghanistan, UAE, Iraq, Iran. Non-Muslims face systematic discrimination, persecution and physical harm in all but a very few Muslim countries. And somehow they are the ones who are mad?
I have many very good friends who also happen to be Muslim. I know we can coexist on a personal level. But the overwhelming masses and their leaders thrive on an anti-western, anti-christian belief. The very things they CLAIM are the policies of the west are in fact actual policies in their countries.
Go solar, go alternative energy, do anything to break our dependence on oil so we can rid ourselves of the entire Middle East.
Along with your well considered alternatives I add one more: Go Nuclear; All over their countries. Make them Glow so that Allah will recognize them in Hell.
AMEN
Who cares what they feel or think.Muslims attacked America. They murdered innocent people in cold blood.
It is an outrage that I cannot go a day without seeing this garbage in our country.If they are mad at us just have them leave.
They do not belong here anyway
You got the right cure for it doc, no doubt. If Muslims want Sharia law then they need to go back to those dark forbidding countries in which they practice it. Their goal however, is to spread it around the world like a cancer.
"Muslims are well aware of these tensions. They are drawn to the liberal ideas of democracy and pluralism and they want to find a way to incorporate them into their societies. Al Qaeda’s model of rejecting all Western influences in favor of purely traditional society garners little support."
To which I reply: Saudi Arabia? Muslim extremists other than al-Qaeda? Yes, there may be many Muslims who aspire to these things, but there are also many who despise us simply for who we are and what we represent.
I could not care less what muslims think about ANYthing.
The United States is not a perfect country and may not have the best foreign policies. I will be the first to admit that. But at least we're not flying planes into buildings. If Muslims want to be WITH us and not AGAINST us, then they need to start policing up their own. They need to start helping get rid of the bad apples out there that are giving the good ones a bad name. Then and only then will there be a coexistence free from hatred and tension.
Personally, Muslims have to be more controlling of their fanatic brothers. A united muslim community can drive those cowards underground, but, having said that, please, come to the United States, please come to Canada for that better life you seek, but leave your hatred and violence behind from where you come from. If you want to continue fighting, then go back home and kill your brothers, – don't do it here. Be a man and go to a battlefield and die. We welcome and respect your beliefs, we don't tell you to accept ours, we ask you respect them. Our way of life is a priviledge, many died to give it to us. Do not violate that honour you are given to come to Canada and The United States . Treasure the freedom to live as you please.
Um....who gives a rats @$$ what they like?????
You go girl !! They should all go back to the lands that live like that, leave America.
Why can't we rid ourselves of Oil dependency by finding alternate energy methods and let the middle east go back to what it was... a desert. If the west stays out of the picture they can go back to fighting among themselves and do the killing for us.
We could rid ourselves of Arab oil dependency by drilling here, drilling now, and paying less, but Democrats won't allow it. They would rather that we continue to purchase oil at inflated prices from people who want to destroy us.
The article seems to say that it is indeed a long running conflict in which the worlds Muslims want to see their way of life be law in whatever country they reside. If that is true, then I ask all Muslims to leave America. And I ask you why you came here in the first place? This country has founding principles that were laid down as law just for the purpose of avoiding what Islamic society apparently wants. I guess it is still the Crusades of the Middle Ages going on, but Americans didn't know that before 9/11.
It's all about whose religion is better... "My imaginary gawd is better than your imaginary gawd." Well guess what, my Tooth Fairy and Santa kicks all your gawds butts!
Psalm 14
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
NEWS FLASH! You are part of the problem.
We have a problem with terrorism for two main reasons. Our presence in Saudi Arabia and support for their government, and, the biggest reason of all, our support for Israel. Our support for Israel is utterly bizarre in that it violates the first principle of foreign policy which is to only make moves on the international stage that benefit your own nation. Our relationship with Israel actually hurts us a great, great deal. Many people falsely believe we support Israel because of our mutual problem with radical islamic terrorism. In reality, we have a problem with said terrorism because we support Israel. I have nothing against that country, I'm sure it's filled with good people. However America needs to start putting itself above all else, even if it means not coming to the rescue of other nations.
Your broken and cowardly logic does not explain terrorism around the world.
Israel is not "occupying" anyone outside of Israel, so why are there daily attacks around the world by muslims, done in the name of islam? ALL over the world.
India and the Sudan and Algeria and Pakistan and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and Tanzania and Germany and Australia and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and Sweden...
I guess thats all Israel's fault too, D-bag?
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
It's a big problem when their religion agrees with killing anyone other than themselves...
Support for Israel DOES benefit our nation. They are our ally in the war against Islamic domination and control. Israelis share our values of freedom and individual rights. Like us, Israelis seek peace. We need them as much as they need us.
All it's going to take is one more successful terrorist attack on the West and muslims will be hunted down in the streets like the pathetic, brainwashed dogs that they are. Pull your head out of your a$$es and stop blaming us because we don't put up with your religious nonsense.
Muslims have a great life here. I think they try to push it to see how far they can force their values on the people around them.
Yes, that is why you find them concentrated in certain areas. They do not assimilate. In twenty years their neighborhoods will all be ghettos which the cops will call "no-go" zones. They have mouthpieces who try to paint a picture of them being like the rest of America, but they are not, and that is just to lull America into a drowsiness which upon awakening to the danger it will be too late.
Some of them are honestly just mad because they're supposed to be blessed by Allah but all they have is a bunch of violence, sand, and women who hate them
everyone please look up the exchange David Horowitz had with a young lady from the University of California at San Diego. She runs the Moozlum student association. This women is the face of moderate Izlam. You defend them, but most want you gone as much as they want me gone. your not going to be spared because you defend their garbage religion. Look it up.
Muslims kill non-Muslims because this what Koran teaches. As much as I believe in freedom of religion i can't and won't allow a muslim around my family. This country doesn't need a religion that teaches murder.
Then out with the Christianity too.
Thou shalt not kill. Exodus 20:13
Far out, man! Was that in Harry Potter?
They will "still" be mad forever. Seriously, they are taught to hate.
so many stupid and ignorant people here ...american really need to get educated about outside world and stop watching too much football
Again, people are making assumptions on things that they don't understand. It is easy to hate, and make judgements, rather then sitting and understanding. As an american, I have be fortunate enough to listen and help people understand. If we took time to listen, the world would be a better place.
Are you joking? Muslims should be mad at themselves or whoever tricked them into following a religion with a rich and continuous history of violence and destruction. A religion which makes them kill people who don't agree with them and destroy precious historical cultural landmarks. So yeah...Muslims should be mad at themselves. "I told you so," won't help the situation though as they are equally proud as their religion is violent.
It is even worse – the punishment for apostasy from islam is death. So the hatefulness goes farther – kill ANY infidel even that one is your "former comrade". I do not know of anything similar in other ideologies (islam is warrior's ideology masqueraded as religion). Simply disgusting.
AMERICA: IN GOD WE TRUST!
No. Over time, as people become more educated, the USA will become more of an atheist society. It's already happening. We'll never live opt see it, but the day is coming when the US money will no longer say "In God We Trust". I say it'll take another few hundred years. But it's coming.
Wish I could be here to see it. It will be a great day.
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You'll be long dead and explaining your hate to G O D long before our money says anything different.
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It will be a day when humankind will mark another feat in its ascension to a better and safer future. Remember the Ancient Greeks – they would rejoice as well over such a victory ...
First this headline is misleading
A Clash of Civilizations? You bet, and it's not going to stop until: Muslims abandon the Shira Law that forbids women to show their face in public and prevents women form becoming educated. And, drop all requirements that their governments adhere to Shira law.
Nothing wilt sop until then. Nothing.
In fact, I refuse to deal with any woman who has their face covered. I refuse. If they want to live that way, go back to your own country. get out of here.
The US should adopt a law as France did that makes it illegal to cover ones face like that.
Jim
Muslims still mad at america? MUSLIMS took over 3000 lives on 9/11 in America and muslims are mad at america?Send all of the mad muslims back to the flea infested garbage heaps they love so much.I'll NEVER get over my anger at and distrust of ALL muslims.Muslims blame all terrorist acts on al Qaeda or the taliban when most terrorist act are carried out by just plain muslims.It's easy to tell if a muslim is planning a terrorist attack. If they are breathing.they are making plans.
The Beast (Cheney/Bush) Killed MORE Americans in Iraq than Osama Bin Laden did on 9/11 – and for NO REASON except to give Cheney's Halliburton a way to Steal BILLIONS and move it Qatar.
I don't give a rats azz about mooslims reasons for their anger, Lets really make them angry and exterminate them
America in the Middle Ages? So...Islamists want to BOMB the MAYANS? Got to HURRY before the 'End of Days' in 2012
Who gives a s*** if they are "still mad". They are Americas enemies so they will always be "mad".
What in the hell makes you think I care how they feel CNN?
Who gives a rat's behind whether they're still angry.
The enemy is Islam, not Muslims.
Like POGO said, "We have Met the enemy..and He is Us." The USA Patriot Act and Homeland Security have done FAR MORE HARM to The America That I Grew Up With than 19 Saudis and Pakistanis could EVER have done.
Islam is a PUTRID FESTERING SORE ON THE A$$ of the world.The religion of cur dogs
Amazing how the most fundamental and most critical reason why Muslims have an unfavorable view of America is not even mentioned. Muslims don't hate America. There is a difference between despising the foreign policy of a government and hating an entire country. Our government's unwavering support for Israel and its brutal occupation is one of the main reasons Muslims and even non-Muslims alike from across the world have an unfavorable view of the American government. Let's not forget that Palestinians are not just Muslim but also Christians who in many cases are equally oppressed and discriminated against. Muslim and world opinion of America will change only when our foreign policy changes.
Muslims need to quit asking the West for help in any form, and stop coming here to also take. I can't tell you how many patients we see at my hosp from muslim countries who are on Medicaid. Same in europe.
Reason number 1 why they don't like us: We're infidels.
Reason number 2: Our government keeps interfering with their governments. (I don't count Afghanistan. The Taliban asked for it by not turning over bin Laden.) This interference is not fully supported by the American people.
Reason number 3: WE'RE INFIDELS.
Islam is not a tolerant faith. When it was created and spread, it looked for enemies. It will not stop with Israel. It will not stop with the USA or Christianity. Look at the lives that people live in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Somalia. The biggest victims of Islam are it's followers.
Don't forget: there was a Muslim army knocking on the doors of Paris before any Christian army even thought about Jerusalem. Heck, there weren't any Christian states in existence in 732 AD.
I think that all muslims are evil, hate Americans because we are superior to them, and because we don't have to wear dirty beards......THEY should all be exterminated!!! Flat out!
Jesus had a beard. Would you call his "dirty"? You have the right spirit, let me tell you. (I am being totally sarcastic, you are a complete idiot and not to mention IGNORANT)
It took him 5 years for this study!!! I wished he asked me it will take 4 hours, go ask any Christain arab they will tell you the truth, just read thier Quran. Bin laden is the true Moslim. The problems with non Moslim they can't face thier terror. we live it every day.
Terrible article, you didn't mention the Tyrannosaurus Rex in the room; Israel. They hate us and attacked us on 9/11 because we give money and weapons to Israel which kills Arabs and occupies a country that treats the muslims terribly. Khalid sheik Muhammad even said so him self that he master mined 9/11 because the USA supports Israel
a few quotes from the Koran state to kill the infidels, we are them by the definition of what an infidel is.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
Dont you know that 85% of China is islam,70% of Russia is Islam etc stop hate
Links to your ridiculous claims would be appreciated, from what it looks like in other sources you really need to learn how to read.
Tom, please don't quote things out of context. Don't pretend you understand the Qur'an. That verse was revealed at a very specific time for a very specific event in Islamic history. It had nothing to do with Christians or the West. You're only fooling yourself. Muslims were instructed to fight those who were fighting them.
Nobody sees the reality here. They hate the US because of it's dominionist and dispensationalist foreign policy agenda. Sharia law is something everyone is shaking in their boots over. Ooooo the boogeyman. Little do you all know that American Dominionist Agenda is the SAME thing, just in christian clothes? And those clothes are so much cuter, and warmer and fuzzier than the Islamic Burqa. Dominionism hides it's true self behind "family values," "morality," and the Christian Right. Why does our government so strongly support Israel? Why are our troops stationed in Arab and Muslim lands? Dominionism and Dispensationalism are FRIGHTENING. Muslims hate our country because they SEE this.
So true! It takes a bully to understand a bully, hey?
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
There, now there is no question of whether or not they want to kill us, it's in their bible to do so
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iif was obligatory on Muslims to kill non Muslims today Islam would have been the only religion in the world. read your history. The verse you quoted is a war time verse not peace time. Killing of innocent women, kids, old and no combatant is totally forbidden in Islam.
Well until a quote appears that states so, I'm going to have to discredit your personal belief... doesn't matter if they are innocent if they are against islam, they are infidels and will be treated as such.
Our country was founded by the Christian Right. That is why we have freedom of religion and other individual rights.
The Muslims are mad at us? They wouldn't be so angry if they'd accept us as much as they're insisting that we accept them. Furthermore, I wish Christians would quit pretending that they aren't trying to bring people to Jesus when we all know the truth: Of course that's what Christians are doing. Any kid in Sunday school will tell you that.
Unfortunately, the loudest people pushing God are actually using His name to achieve more power for themselves; and that includes Christians and Muslims. If everyone with a "religious" agenda (including politicians here in the U.S.) would just back the hell up and quit trying to push their "religious" ideas at us, everyone everywhere would be happier and live more peacefully. And for those loud Muslim or Christian people, here's the lost message from God: Love one another. Surprisingly, that simple message doesn't include guns or war or even pressuring people to accept your view of God in the first place.
In the USA, we welcome people of all faiths, but we're not going to change our country to fit you. It is your responsibility to find your way and assimilate. If you find that you are more comfortable with the culture of the country you left, you are free to leave and return there.
this ccountry is controled by the all seeing eye illuminati open your eye people
Muslims are mad at the Great Satan (aks USA) for a very simple reason.Alla* created the Universe purely for the Believers. Alla* commanded that all Unbelievers should bow and pay Jeziya to the Muslims, yet after all these years the Americans are not obeying. How can this be halal?
And gee! All those wimmens going around with their ankles and wrists uncovered!!! Haraam! Haraam!
"America seeks to undermine Islam ..." Hmmm – I think that is quite the contrary. Islam attempts to silence Christians all over the entire world with violence.
It amuses me a great deal when Muslims call our United States "Zionists" and we get so offended. The truth hurts. Look up dispensationalism. What is up with armageddon-focused foreign policy supported by the right wing Christian conservatives (who, by the way have completely bent what the true meaning of a conservative is).
Correction: Certain individuals who call themselves "muslim" choose to silence christians all over the world.
The USA made a big mistake going into Iraq the 2nd time and we probably deserve some of the dislike by Muslims. But the Muslim religion is based off hate of everyone that isn't Muslim. And if there are no others to hate and kill they would kill each other (12,000 Iraq's killed by suicide bombs). Oh, by the way alot of Muslims blown up by muslim suiicide bombers carried quran's. It's OK for Muslims to burn the Quaran by the way !
Who cares if they are mad. Flip the story and find out why America is still mad at the Muslims.
If it were not so close to the tenth anniversary of 9/11, I would check my calendar to be sure it wan't 4/1. Muslims mad at America! How ridiculous, last I heard they killed 3,000 Americans and some of them hid bin Laden. I wish I could write a CNN article on why Americans are mad at Muslims.
BFD, so people from around the hate America. What we need to watch out for are the ones trying to be are friend.
When a Christian church can be built in Mecca then I will sing kumbaya with Mooslims. Otherwise, as someone earlier stated, if a nuke goes off any where in the world, Mecca must be vaporized. Mooslims must understand that.
Why Muslims are still mad at America is for the basic simple fact, Islam and the Western world DO NOT MIX and never will.
Why Muslims are still mad at America ......Are you joking ? The real headline is Why Americans are still mad at Muslims after 9-11.....because they have tried on numerous times to attack and kill us again....lets see there was the Christmas day bomber the underwear bomber, the Fort Hood shooter, the Fort Hood shooter want a be, the army reciting center shooter, the Holocaust Museum shooter, the Time square boomer, the plot by Muslims to bomb synagogues and we as a nation and people are on HIGH alert because Muslims like to kill on anniversary's of there last attack, so what does this all tell us ? Muslim's are nothing but sick-o killers.
So the world tour applogies, the ass kissing, and the bowing to the muslims by the holy one has not improved our relationship with the muslims one iota? Hmmm. The only time the muslims will be happy is when all non-muslims have been beheaded. When the muslims flew airplanes into the WTC, the muslim world rejoiced. Wake up America, your anointed one is on the side of the muslims.
Muslims never wake up!! Even in India lot of muslims intentionally supports Pakistan cricket team to upset fellow indians. If you say rabbit has 4 legs, they will say no it has only 3 legs. This is what their behavior. No one can do anything unless Allah shows up in front of them and say something for their good life.
I must be truthful I dont trust muslims I feel if the dont like american way of life go home you crazt terrorist. loosen the rag you have tied around your head
..." most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role. They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture. Integrating these aspirations with liberal ideas of democracy and freedom of religion is a decidedly challenging endeavor."
I am an American, a combat veteran. my family has been in America since the 1600's...I don't want any part of the Muslim aspirations. I believe in humanity and not in any deity. Muslims particularly irritate me. They are impotent, backward cowards who use fear, murder, torture and a book of myths to gain and keep power. I prefer that they keep their disgust for the human race and desert idolatry along with the oil in the tents and dirt streets of the middle east. I don't care if this offends anyone.
Richard,
You claim you don't want anything to do with Muslims yet you serve a military that wants everything to do with Muslims and their land and resources. A bit hypocritical wouldn't you say? Read a little history my friend about Islam and Muslims. Maybe you will come to appreciate some of the many contributions that they made to western civilization. Let's not forget when Europe was going through the Dark Ages, Muslims were busy making breakthroughs in medicine and technology which without, Europe would have remained in the Dark Ages and the "discovery" of the "new world" would not have been possible. I challenge you to think with your mind as opposed to your hatred and ignorance. Read just a few pages about Islamic history and civilization and I guarantee that you will be amazed...
There is nothing more beatiful and peaceful than Islam.
yup
i agree
death to us part!
Yep they remind us all of the Amish
Female stoning and Sharia law...Nothing more beautiful. Especially on a cloudless clear day.
Let's get to the point – if, Muslims feel that America is wrong because they want to turn America into a Muslim state – then my answer is simple. I would like it if all of you whether born here or not go back to where you came from and make trouble in your home country. America is founded on Christian principles and I for one will fight to keep it that way. There is too much trouble with a religion being used to further people of the Muslim faith to make inroads here in America. We welcome all who come to America for a better life but not those who seek to turn this great country into another Muslim state. Go back to where you came from – there are more of us than you. We want you gone..Preach your hatred somewhere else.
The bottom line is this country wasnt founded by anybody that had anything to do with Islam. These Muslims need to go back to where they came from and realize they are not welcome in the USA.
Jimmy, muslims may not be welcome in your house, but please do not speak out loud on behalf of everyone. I hope you realize the striking similarity of your behavior with those who you are allegedly fighting.
If you really want to understand how a Muslim feels, then live with Muslims, or better yet in a predominantly Islamic nation. There are three reasons IMO:
1. anti US sentiment because of her protection of Israel,
2. they perceive the 2 wars Bush got us into as a war on muslims,
3. and most dangerous is "Jihad", the zeal to spread Islam [as opposed to the commonly labeled "struggle"]. Muhammad spread Islam by the sword if you remember.
While there are good muslims, they are often silent, and cautious on criticizing terror attacks in fears for their own lives. Something as small as a conversion from Islam to Christianity is an automatic death sentence. Again, there are so many good Muslims that get overshadowed.
It is unrealistic and unfair to develop a Muslim stereotype and then assert that Muslims want this or that, as though all Muslims wish for the same outcomes. Having traveled in a number of Muslim countries and lived among some Muslims in Europe, there are widely differing expectations among them and in the ways that they apply Islam to their daily lives. Islam often is intertwined with other cultural considerations. Some insist upon women wearing the veil and others never that, some want to live under Sharia law and others do not – many oppose restrictions which they say are not contained in the Q'ran and others adhere to practices which they say have been legitimately imposed. Others who have emigrated to other, often non-Islamic countries and regions have accommodated themselves and their practices at least to a degree to the cultures in which they now live.
Mr Kull, thank you for a well worded, well thought out, informative article.
Quran (2:191-193) – "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."
looks very peaceful, I mean heck if you kill everyone else then you're left with paradise, awesome religion there....
I was always amazed on how taking things out of context/ from an entire book creates unrecoverable damage to ones understanding of that exact book. Tell me, if I take similar looking excerpt from Torah or Bible, will I not have the same result?
How is it out of context exactly?
Quran (2:216) – "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
These are statements on what to do in the religion, nothing to be taken from context, it's a direct quote for an action, not a bible story.
If you are amazed then tell me how it should be taken? being your "version" of what it's contextually describing... seems pretty clear to me
Um... no, you will not find anything about the acceptance of killing anyone in the Christian's New Testament. And it would be very hard pressed to find anything remotely like it. The Christian church teaches tolerance and love for all, even at the death of the individual christian.
So, NO, you won't find passages in the New Testament about the need to kill people because of their beliefs- except the killing of Christ- but that is what it's all about.
Thou shalt not kill." (Exodus 20:13)
"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." (Koran 9:5)
wrong. Again out of context. Look a little further than your nose and understand that this verse was dedicated to a period of time in Muhammad's life. Do a little research will ya?
You know what CNN....we should make the USA look just like the middle east. The middle east is, after all, a booming modern society with tolerance and respect for everyone in the world. Let's just load up the boats and bring them all over here wo we can all live together. In muslim countries, people of all faiths get along just fine and nobody wants to kill each other. Personally, I think we should have more suicide bombers and religious homicidial maniacs in our society. That is just what we need. Maybe we can even move Mecca over and put it where CNN headquarters is. The more muslims the better! Maybe they won't be mad at us then!!! BOO HOO FOR ALL THE NUTCASE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD!!!!! NOBODY LIKE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'M CRYING IN MY BEER BECAUSE THEY ARE SO OPPRESSED HERE!!
Muslims are never happy. Look at their countries, they live like animals and blame everyone else.
Who cares......
WOW.. Really good work
"U.S. support for Israel, sometimes described as ‘America’s aircraft carrier in the region’ "....Hmmmm does this guy is actually suggesting that IF the US did not supported Israel they way the US does things might be different? Yes, he is saying that. what a *******
Ultimately koll’s analysis is an attempt to fit a square peg in a round hole. Any analysis must begin with certain basic facts.
1. The Koran is a literal dictation from G-d to the angel Gabriel to Mohamed.
2. Islam means submission to the will of G-d as reflected in the Koran and the moral parables as reflected in the hadiths.
3. Islam divides the world into Dar al Harb (the other) and Dar al Islam.
4. Dar al Islam is in eternal conflict with Dar al Harb and is required to conquer it and not co-exist with it.
The failure to deal with these basic facts renders Koll’s analysis beside the point - no matter how he might dress it up politically correct verbiage.
At bottom, Koll asks the West to accept and understand Islam, he makes no similar request of Islam. He is simply an apologist for Islam.
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Maybe Koll and the rest of the Muslims should accept and understand Christianity.
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I agree.
LOL "Understand". As in "listen – we're here to take over – and if you don't give up your religion and follow us, you will be killed"? If Islamists don't like America, they should pack up their brainwashed families and leave America – and go back to the mess they started from... Not take their troubles to America and start wars with people who are trying to help them overseas.
Literal dictation might be stretching it a little. Mohamed had visions in his dreams that he had someone write down for him when he was awake. 20 some years worth. Who knows what he actually remembered from his dreams, or what was actually written down was the same as the dream. We will never know as it is forbidden. Memories from one persons experience, might be true, might not, there isn't any cross reference to confirm like in the Bible with thousands of witnesses and many writers all recording history.
Steven, About 12 years ago, there was a near revolt in Iran by the youth demanding greater liberalization and democratization of the government. Back then, the US / Iran relationship was almost showing signs of thawing. I even knew a couple Iranian college students who had been granted educational visas to study in the US. However, the religious right in Iran eventually cracked down on their own people, taking steps like increasing internet censorship and cracking down on socially liberal activiites that violated Muslim.
Do you think the youth liberalisation movement is still alive in Iran or has the Iranian regime and the course of world events over the last 10 years, perhaps caused the young liberals to resent the US as their parents did?
apparently 1700 years of history has fallen on deaf ears, they have been disliking everyone for that time then 200 years ago we came along and there you go. hopefully they will post this story tomorrow so I can twice not care.
Really? Christians going into the middle east during crusades after 1000 AD bad, but Muslims driving Christians out from 600 to 1000 AD good? My experience with most non-American muslims is their education levels are terrible and they rely on pretty poor sources for their arguements. I was once told that Christians ate babies by a Muslim from Turkey. I've also heard a muslim say he hated jews and that they all should be killed not realizing a close friend of his was jewish. The reality of the situation can be boiled down to people in power want to maintain their power and they will say what they can to either keep or change a situation. My advice to Muslims out side of America is quit blaming us for things we really don't have control over.
Religion is based upon region, education and culture. One will not work in every area of the world. If Islam can provide a stable and beneficial cultural environment for the people, may it be strong. The inherent problem is people who subvert any and all religions for their own ulterior personal motives.
Nice: but WHY don't we SEE the MILLIONS in the streets proclaiming this? Both to yourselves and other religions. Just look at Al Jerezza..or however you spell it. ACTIONS speak MUCH louder than words my fellow human beings.
For the very same reason that you don't see millions of Americans in the streets screaming for our government to cease bombing innocent civilians.
CAiR is founded by who? Why do they exist?
http://www.actforamerica.org/index.php/learn/recent-news/10-newsmaster/1687-brigitte-gabriel-takes-the-gloves-off-on-fort-hood-and-cair
Islam fully oppresses women, which means about a half billion people. So, where is the global feminist outrage? Why is there no million Muslim march on DC for their rights? Silence means they either do not know, or do not care. Which one is it?
CAIR is a terrorist organization
Frankly, I don't believe you. Here is what your own leader had to say on the subject:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
1998 speech to Muslims in California by Omar Ahmad, co-founder of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
CAIR was founded as a HAMAS propaganda tool. Islam means "submission," not peace. It was spread by war, not peace. It's enforced by death threats, not peace. Its followers kill "infidels" in EVERY Muslim country. The Quran and Hadith are FULL of intolerance and commands to conquer or kill nonbelievers. There's no such thing as "secular" Islam. Once Islam gets a foothold, its followers won't rest until Islam controls all aspects of life, which means criticism will provoke death threats, like in EVERY Muslim country today. America: Beware! Islam is against freedom of speech, freedom of thought, equal rights for women. Read the Quran and Hadith! USC has translations. They are not texts of peace. They are texts of anger, backwardness and murder.
MORE about justice ... and a very subjective version I might add. The quality of life you offer is hardship, strife and conflict.
America is going the way of all Empires: broke and despised. We cannot afford our massive military, and it is our military that causes so much hatred. In 100 years America will be like Britain and Germany now – former World powers living peacefully with their neighbors. Hopefully the nut cases here in the U.S. can be contained until we get to the point where we can get along with people.
America isn't going to sit around, after 9/11 and let their country get messed-over by lunatic bat-sh17 muslim extremeists. You need to put the bong down, or take your delusion elsewhere. Maybe the middle-east somewhere?
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Nobody gives a rats a$$ what muslims think. They still stone to death for dating a non-muslim.
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The rules of the religion (while these geniuses make "law") is bottom-feeder material, making those who follow the laws the lowest-of-the-low. How can anyone live with themselves after beating their women for disobedience? Or killing their own family members for ANY reason whatsoever? I suspect it's called "mental illness" that lets them live with themselves. There are pills for psychopaths to help. And for the rest of them, there's cyanide. When they've done the unimaginable, they take it out on, and blame the West... and then b!tch and while about not being treated properly, for not licking their quaranny boots clean.
Such a bunch of words!! Islam is a political party. I have not read the whole Quran, but what I have read it espouses a potlical order ruled by violance.You either agree with them or suffer death. SURA 9:5 " Slay the idolaters where you find them." I'm sure they mean me & about 300m others.
Same pathetic Liberal BS – just based on Dr Joyce-style "research." Islam is the problem. In its current form it's a crude Medieval religion – just like the Catholicism that gave rise to the Crusades. It needs to undergo a reformation and be brought into the modern age. But anyone stupid enough to think that you can really understand what Muslims – or anyone else – think by asking them should be doing something productive – like working in a convenience store somewhere. What they say, what they do, and what they really wish for are all different things.
First off don't immigrate here if you are mad at America, second you should be asked if you believe in freedom of religion if you answer "no" well no green card or student visa have a nice day in your rathole failure country of hate filled origin............most muslim countries are racist biggots and kill you if you disagree............even Saudia Arabia has a law that it is death to spread any religion but islam..........gee how wonderful.
This is proof that all that nonsense about Obama improving America's image in the world was pure B.S. Just more lies from the idiots that supported President ZERO and the clown posse in the current regime.
Personally I say increase funding to Israel and concel funding to Obama's allies in the mideast the islamofacists.
A very idiotic headline.
Just like a headline asking, "Why do Christians still support the Ku Klux Klan," would be just as idiotic.
The majority of Muslims don't hate the USA. Just like the majority of (Caucasian) Christians don't support racist views against non Caucasians.
Who cares if they are mad at America they hate everyone........they are hate filled people in a hate filled false religion.
And you think some of us have forgiven the muslims for the jihad against America, NOT A CHANCE IN HELL, we havent started with mad yet and we NEVER forget, time will come that those muslims that are mad at America will fall to their knees and beg for forgiveness for their sins and We The People shall show them our furry and they shall see what Christians do when we are mad and hell hast no furry from the christian wrath and the shall feel that wrath.
go pick pieces of bones around ground zero in the meantime
Religion is the problem. Islam just being one of them. Please come out of the dark ages and join us in reality.
I think the dichotomy between democratic values and religious ones isn't as internalized as the author believes. Anyone with two neurons to rub together, regardless of their religion, would understand that you can't have freedom of religion and theocracy in the same system. It's not just a cultural contradiction. It's a *logical* contradiction. They live in a different culture, but the Muslims of the Middle East aren't idiots.
Hmmm... because we still haven't stopped interfering in the affairs of countries with majority muslim populations on the other side of the world to serve our own interests?
We live in a society where our schools, media, and government make it taboo to even dare to utter a bad word about Muslims.
Read the Koran, people...Even the "nice Muslims" (not extremist) are supposed to kill the infidels (those who are not Muslim). They are not allowed to befriend a Christian or nonbeliever.
These people are your neighbors, teachers, doctors, etc...and they are told by their religion to kill us.
When will people start to think for themselves instead of letting the media and government tell them what to think???
Islam was spread by the sword, it is hardly a religon of peace. The crusades were organized to throw the muslims out of the holy land which they had taken by conquest.They took Constantinople and Crete. They invaded and held Spain for hundreds of years and were pushing into France when they were stopped at Tours. They took parts of Italy and Sicily and invaded far into Eastern Europe finally being halted at the gates of Vienna , Austria in 1683.They have always been an aggresive menace and will likely always be so. The only reason they are not at the moment is they are militarily backward.
this article fails to mention US support of Israel and Israel's idiotic settlement policy – the US keeps pressing for peace while Israel keeps expanding it settlements into Palestinian territory – take a look at a map of Palestinian territory and you will see it is shrinking significantly....this is Apartheid plain and simple...that double standard infuriates Muslims and Bin Laden said it was one of the reasons why the Twin Towers were attacked...not all Isaelis want these settlements..it's the radical right
What you are calling "Palestinian territory" is part of the traditional Jewish homeland.
In a way we are to blame for our woes with the Middle East. If we were more willing to drill our own oil and stayed away from theirs there wouldn't be the hatred and attacks. But we did have to go to the Middle East and get their oil to keep the tree huggers here happy. We are sitting on huge amounts of our own oil and gas. Just sitting on it. Meantime, we go to the Middle East, get their oil, interfere with their culture and they start fighting back with vicious attacks over more than 30 years. We don't listen to anyone else. Our government refuses to listen to the European nations that have already been the socialist route, found it is not a good choice and have been trying to warn our government not to take the same route. We don't listen when the Middle East says to leave them in peace with their culture. Yes, there are terrible terrible things they do to women over there, criminals don't have the ACLU to prevent them from getting their hands cut off for stealing, etc. I understand how that stuff hurts our hearts and makes us want to "save" them. It is horrible to know these things are happening to other human beings. It still comes down to we need to use our own resources and stop trying to change the cultures that have survived for thousands of years. We took the Native Americans here an forced them to live our way. What right do we have to do these things to people? We have a goverrnment running us into the ground and towards socialism. We are not a good example for the rest of the world. We need to get our own house in order. Get out of the Middle East, leave them to their cultures no matter how bad or ugly and work towards returning our own country to greatness. Sorry if I rambled, but at 62 years of age I am getting really tired of watching my country go downhill like it is.
"""Those building's were brought down and those poor people died so the US could steal all of the natural resources from the Middle East that they no longer possess!!!!!!!!!!!!"""
@mary, are you saying that they no longer want the dollars we have been paying for under universal trade? Maybe you are a raging idiot.
Not much difference between bin Laden and Fred Phelps. Both are (or were) mentally disordered religious extremists that have let their hatred of some imaginary 'other side' blind them. The difference is the Phelps followers don't feel as oppressed and as disenfranchised as the bin Laden followers do. In America, we have seemingly endless resources so most of us that are driven to succeed have a pretty decent chance of doing so. When you remove that element, it becomes easier to follow your leader to the death.
So if Muslim hatred of America stems from a historical narrative of Christianity attacking the Muslim world, then why do they show even more hatred towards Jews? Surely they can't feel threatened by a group that makes up only .05% of the world's population, and surely it means little to Muslims in Iran if the grandchildren of Palestinian refugees reclaim the land that they in turn took from others before them. What about their hatred towards Buddhists? Have the Buddhists ever done wrong to anyone? That didn't stop them from destroying Buddhist temples and ancient holy sites. Maybe you need to understand that Muslims have no tolerance toward any other religion or culture and in that respect they are fundamentally different from the modern Western world's belief in equality.
Lot of comments here so maybe this has already been said but based on the only view I have (the media) I would hold the radical followers of Islam in no better stead than the radical Christian crusaders of old. Arrogance is one group of people behaving like no other group has any value and, at extreme, must conform or die. Perhaps we Americans are guilty of mistrust of other cultures. But the Muslim/Islam faith appears to completely closed off from others who don't feel the same way. Just like the members of Asian and European cultures that bring their families to America for a better life and then form small – closed societies here. I think it's important to maintain your heritage and I believe America really does welcome cultures and faiths from other lands but these folks have come here for a reason and it's not unreasonable to expect them to participate in this society in positive ways. If there are so many Muslims who reject the violent and radical lunatics of Islam – why do they not speak? 10 years after 9/11 where are the thousands of Muslim voices rejecting this mayhem? By far most of what I see in the media is the predominantly accepted view of Islam – venom and carnage.
The trouble with Islamophobia is that it is an irrational concept. It confuses hatred of, and discrimination against, Muslims on the one hand with criticism of Islam on the other. The charge of 'Islamophobia' is all too often used not to highlight racism but to stifle criticism. And in reality discrimination against Muslims is not as great as is often perceived – but criticism of Islam should be greater.
Because what is coming out of these Islamaphobes are ridiculous accusations that have no merit. It's all about fearmongering.
mad at us? this is simple. i have no dislike of muslims, but i never hear them standing up to condemn the radicals every time they pull off some horrid terrorist attack... even if they cam from their own mosque. it comes of as silent approval. maybe we should be mad at them
I don't care what Muslims think about the US. Frankly, I don't care what any other country/group of people thinks about the US. Muslims should stay out of the United States. Their beliefs directly contradict the basis for freedom in the United States. Read the Koran if you think that statement is misguided, I have and know the truth. If they want to live by the rules of archaic religion so be it. If they want to come here they are the ones who need to change not us. If they don't like it stay in their mudhuts, desert tent, or wherever other hell hole Muslims orginate from. If they want to become Americans, and abide by our laws and rules then they are more than welcome to come to America.
This is disgusting. How anyone can have any discourse around islam without mentioning their systematic degradation and slavery of women is astounding. The world rebelled when South Africa relegated blacks to second-class status. The world, including idiots like this author, has no problem utterly ignoring the subjugation of an entire class of people.
ahh I see ... so the Muslims believe that as the will of the people changes then the law of Sharia follows and muslim government and religion will be dominant based on the free will of the people ...? I wonder what their response would be to Christians explaining Christianity to muslims in the bazaars and when the people choose to follow Christ and reject Sharia law .... will Muslims willingly accept that? or will they impose Sharia law on the infidels?
'Why Muslims are still mad at America?"
I do not understand the point of the question. Nor do I understand the reason for such huge analysis, Q&A sessions, blogs etc etc..
Isn't it a fact that Muslims are mad at everybody who is not a Muslim? Topics like secularism, pluralism and democracy are supposed to be anti-Islamic period. Why does this simple fact need a discussion?
I am a muslim and I do not hate anyone who is different than I am. But I do not feel the urge to prove you otherwise, since I do not think it will matter to you. I think it is all about having a broader view about things. Maybe I would be saying different things if I was actually from Middle East, but that only proves that it is easier to judge and make assumptions while standing aside.
My advice is to take your religion to the closet and keep it there. The Muslim faith has done nothing to improve the quality of life for it's adherents. Where ever it is, conflict and strife follow. I would be an athiest before I would follow such madness.
I assume despite your misuse of the English language you mean angry rather than insane. However, the simplest explanation is that not all Islamics are involved and that religious fanatics are always angry.
"This is not simply imagined. Currently in Congress there are efforts to ensure that U.S. funding of democracy promotion in Egypt only benefits liberal, secular parties and does not in any way benefit Islamist parties such as the Muslim Brotherhood."
We're giving those countries our hard-earned money. What have they ever done for us? I mean besides murdering our people.
Very well written. Taking an modern anthropological approach, the "clash of cultures" is more a function of friction and awareness brought about by the shrinking of the world though modern technology. Case in point. Al Queda. When OBL lair was raided, he had televisions, vcrs, dvds, computers, flash drives, etc. All modern inventions. Yet the philosophy of Al Queda is actively based on living life in a medival way. It is as if we are giving Borneo tribesmen automatic weapons. Recall what happened when American Indians were introduced to firearms and alcohol. A stable (albeit at times violent) societal structure that had lasted, virtually unchanged for millenia was completely disrupted. My feeling, is that but for oil and Israel, we would just let the deserts and peoples of the middle east be whatever they are going to be. The Taliban is utterly repressive, but then so is China, and so was the old Soviet Union.
I do hope that animosity is able to be reduced over time between Muslim and western societies. However, there is a fundamental difference that seems to make this very difficult. It is very important in Western societies to have a separation odf church and state. If it very important in Muslim societies that these be combined. Small countries like the Netherlands feel genuinely threatened that demographic changes will lead to religion influencing governmental policy (I DO NOT support the recent actions of Anders Breivik). However, I fight briskly to keep christian influence out of U.S. government policy, and I would fight briskly against ANY religion that tried to influence governmental policy of the U.S.
Frankly, My Dear, I Don't Give A Damn!!
Okay Steven Kull, now turn your attention to us, Americans. Why don't you now write an article about the muslim agenda in America"The destruction of our country through muslinsm". They took down the World Trade Center to build a mosque, lucky for us, they can't build on the site, so are so disgusting that demand to build a block away. Muslims are on a mission to build mosques (training camps) all over our country with funding from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the antichrist of IRAN.
The truth is, Islam does not choose to coexist with any other religion, and is totally non-tolerant of any other religion, so Islam wants to take over the entire planet, to get rid of, all other religions.
The goal, is world domination. pure and simple. Americans, are NOT going to accept that effort, in any way.
Dare I say you are wrong? People tend to forget that not all muslims are arabs and not all of us are wearing the same shoes.
I should have also mentioned that supporting Zionist Israel is not helping our popularity.
Who cares what a bunch of muslims think about us. Not me.
well , Do not buy the oil from med east ,and than we will see if you will ever have a job in the USA
All you anti-Islamic are the reason why Muslims feel negative about America. Look at these comments, how does the Quran justify all acts of violence against humanity? The reason Muslims don't support Al Qaeda is because Muslims are being killed? For goodness sakes, we treat Muslims as second class and spread all of these propaganda around to make a whole group look bad. If America wants good relations, start by being tough on Israel because that is what is holding the US back.
Thanks JJ , i wish that there will be more like you that understand whats going on.
We don't have room for these homicidal, crybaby, intolerant, brainwashed islamic retards in this country. Get the fuk out of here
I get bored with the stories of what Muslims are thinking and feeling.
Never do we see examples of brave Muslims coming forward a demanding their faith back from the extremists.
What we do hear a quick comment that 9-11 does not represent Muslims and then we an endless story about how they are being discriminated against and how the policies of the U.S. are hurting Muslim nations.
As others, such as wzrd1, have posted, the mainstream media does not portray the real reactions and feelings of everyday Muslims, instead they ALWAYS plaster the crazy Muslims as the "real" Muslims.
I love how the writer points out all of the contradictions and misconceptions within the Muslim community itself but then basically comes to the conclusion that they are right to hate us and that it's totally our fault. Utter nonsense.
To Everyone: If any of you were to actually read the Quran without being biased you would come to the same conclusion as wzrd 1, and other unbiased people have. Islam DOES NOT FORCE non-muslims to become Muslims, and neither does it condone 9/11. Please open your minds, and stop spewing lies on the internet!
Muslims.....Islamics...........Catholics..........Jews.............Protestants..........ALL religious people are MAD!
Interesting read – couple sentences really stand out to me that I think require a second look:
"Western cultural products are seen as seductively undermining Islamic culture."
The worlds population who now can view western culture through the internet is enormous – the question is:
Do free societies allow the free consumption of information? If so – then humans will naturally be drawn to the "cultural products" they prefer more.
"Muslims should not be allowed to convert to another religion."
I think this is very strange statement. Not allowing a person to choose their religion and instead be destined to only practice the religion they "grew up in" or the majority religion for where they live on the globe – seems to go against the basic human rights of humanity.
In general I think that much of the problem we have today regarding this subject is because today (like it or not – and you can't turn back the clock) the world is globally connected. The average person in the muslim world can easily get information (good or bad or distorted) on the non-muslim (or western) world – and the non-muslim (or western world) world can easily get information (good or bad or distorted) on the muslim world. The peaceful existence of our globe depends on individuals choosing clear, sane, logical rational thought that preserves humanity not hate.
JB
In fact, we have the same internal conflict within the United States. We have politically significant group of super-religious Protestant Christians who also view the Renaissance, the Enlightenment (in both its scientific and philosophical embodiments), and their secularizing tendencies, as anti-Christian and retrograde within the context of the fundamentalist Protestant Christian historical narrative. This religious force, while not representing the majority of Americans, is driving the ideological stance and the candidate selection process of one of our two major political parties.
Actually, I just formed a mental picture of the old WWII army recruiting poster that is so familiar to us all. The one with Uncle Sam pointing at the reader with the slogan, "Uncle Sam wants you for the US Army!"
Now, just replace Uncle Sam with Jesus on the poster and change the caption to "God wants you to vote for [ Insert any current GOP candidate.]!
There seems to be tension between freedom loving people, loving individual freedoms, and Islam. I feel especially sorry for women in the Islamic world who are opressed and have no individual freedom to chose their clothes or their activities. The Islamics in America can practice their religion because freedom loving Americans have fought, suffered, and died to oppose tirany that would oppress individual freedoms.
It states in the Quran that people of other religions must be converted or killed. Here is America, we have the freedom to possess firearms and until the Quran expresses love for all people, I'll keep my firearms close.
What I got from this is basically that Muslims are taking American foreign policy personally. America acts to preserve its interests and its way of life. If Buddhists nations were presenting a threat to our interests we'd be cracking down on them instead. It has nothing to do with their religion or their way of life so much as it has to do with their religion and their way of life as applicable to theocratic governments which do pose a problem for us. If they were all content to just sit in their individual geographic areas and not interfere with our needs in that part of the world and keep to themselves we'd have no issues at all. It is also worth noting that when the Caliphate did exist it was guilty of the same sort of political chess as America. The rulers and generals of the Caliphate pit differing beliefs against one another and waged brutal campaigns to bring Islam and Islamic rule by the sword to all the infidels. I suppose though they have a short historical memory when it comes to their own past. If they looked at the big picture they would find that america is no different from the Caliphate and is simply preserving its power and way of life. The difference is that empire building is frowned upon these days so we can't just go in and occupy territory indefinitely. The best we can do is nation building and hope it works out.
hey where is my post, i put a lot of work into it and followed all the rules. did I ruffle someones feathers or will you explain why my post is missing
Don't waste your time. CNN comments are a load of crap. They censor opinions that they don't like all the time.
We reject you Islam
We reject you muslims
We reject your false prophet, and we reject your devil allah. That is why you are mad at us, and I accept you being mad, because I am doing the right thing by rejecting you and your cult. I encourage you to be mad, and to wage your jihad, because I will continue to reject all of your falsehoods and lies, and with your jihad more people will reject you than will submit to you.
You are more than welcome to take our weak and cowardly into your ranks, since that is all you will get. Oh, and the racist criminals who convert to your cult as well, you can have them too.
WOW. Talk about a racist religion. Muslims are at the #1 spot.
"Islamic traditions that make Sharia the basis of law, not the will of the people, and inevitably keep women in their traditional oppressed roles and minority religions discriminated against."
But hey. I'm all for keeping the females home, naked, pregnant, etc, etc.
We should withdrawal all our troops from muslim countries, and stop buying and using there oil.
Let them all go back to being poor, camel jocks, and killing each other.
But then they will still use America as a skate goat for their problems.
OK. Now that what understand what Muslims don't like about America and the West, here's a proposal for Muslims. Stay out of the USA and Western Europe. We will deport all Muslim refugees out of Europe and the USA to Somalia. In return, we will stay out of your countries. We will buy no oil from you, fight no dictators for you (see Kuwait 1991 and Libya 2011), provide no food aid, engage in no trade with you, accept no students from you, won't allow your planes to land here, allow no immigration, and won't let our banks do to channel business with you. That frees you up to beat your wives, kill your daughters in "honor killings", starve your children, abuse your animals, and grow and consume your heroin. Deal?
Tough to tray and mix law and religion. Religion is generally a personal choice. Laws are not a personal choice. Just hard to see how an arguement can be made that because of "religious choices" a person is permitted to strap a bomb to his chest and kill innocent people. Islam has so many sectors and everyone of them think they are "right and justified". That is why they have fought each other for centuries and always will.
Isn't it interesting how it is "OK" for the "progressives/liberals" to excuse Muslims for clinging so strongly to their ancient and arcain religion... but the rest of the world gets maligned and impugned for expressing a desire to adhear to any of the other religions? Why so much sympathy and understanding for muslims and not for Jews or Christians? Why is it ok in Liberals eyes for Muslims to want to spread Islam across the globe? If this religious expansionism was occuring by Jews or Hindus... the Liberals would be shouting against it from the highest mountain tops! Someone please explain this to me/us.
I see so if Muslims undermine, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sheikism and every other ism on the planet it is OK. However if anyone defend these other religions or the freedom of religion they are hated by Muslims. Mohammed would be so proud of what he has created. A narcissistic self perpetuating ideology that attempts to destroy all other faiths while justifying itself by playing the victim all the while murdering, and/or discriminating against all "others".
Each time some journalist or academic writes about how Islamic anger dates back to the crusades, he should be required to provide the following background info: Egypt, Syria, Spain, Lebanon, and Tunisia (among others) were once provinces of the Roman Empire, whose religion was Christianity when they were invaded by Muslim Arabs in the 7th Century. The Christian population was reduced to legal second class status and placed under great pressure to convert to Islam, were absolutely forbidden to own land, and were now allowed to serve in the army. These are the facts. The Crusades were an attempt by Christian kingdoms in Europe to come to the aid of their fellow Christians and expel the Muslim Arabs from the lands they invaded previously. Excluding this part of the story places any author who does so in the position of being a propagandist and apologist for "Muslim anger". Readers should beware.
The Muslim World, as it appears to many American Born citizens is EXTREME! And it seems THEY want to PUSH their views onto the AMERICAN WEST. This is a Perception.... I stand like any other Home Grown American.... If you are against this country, they don’t come here. If you live here and hate its policies, then go back where you came from. However, if you accept that the WEST is about LIBERTY and HUMAN RIGHTS... they STAY and FIGHT.
Americans would love to find an environmentally safe alternative to oil so that we could forger Muslims altogether.
1 more reason to bring our troops and our money home.
Muslims are angry at the US because most Americans don't stick their butts in the air and bow towards Mecca three times per day. They want all the world to be under Sharia law where non-Muslims are virtual slaves to Muslims.
Americans have shed quite a bit of blood on behalf of Muslims.
Yeah, America did not withdraw from the Middle East after 9/11. Why should we? We went in to dismantle the terrorist network that murdered our people.
Islam owes America an apology. America does not owe Islam a thing.
The Muslim World, as it appears to many American Born citizens is EXTREME! And it seems THEY want to PUSH their views onto the AMERICAN WEST. This is a Perception.... I stand like any other Home Grown American.... If you are against this country, theN don’t come here. If you live here and hate its policies, then go back where you came from. However, if you accept that the WEST is about LIBERTY and HUMAN RIGHTS... theN STAY and FIGHT.
CNN must be owned by the Saudi's. We have article after article crying about how Muslims are not understood and how they are the victim when other muslims commit acts of terror.
Unfortunately, Islam (and to some degree other religions) is suffering due to losing its mechanisms of ideological suppression. In a world where information flows freely, it is impossible to close out the superior, advanced memes of the future and the space/information age. Preventing this ideological infiltration was always a key to maintaining a strong grip on the Muslim mind. The grip is slipping, the Emperor's cloths are off and it infuriates those that are powerless against the real will of Allah, the will to educate His children with the Eternal Truth, not those passed on in paper or verbal form which are subject to corruption.
Muslims need to clean house and accept responsibility for all the wars and conflicts they are involved in (look at all of the skirmishes around the world for the last 50 years and 90% of them involve Muslims–the religion of peace) if America is going to change its negative view on their religion.
THANK YOU CNN FOR ADMITTING THAT YOU ARE PART OF THE EXTREME RIGHT WING NAZIISM THAT IS KILLING FREEDOM THROUGHOUT THE WORLD . THE DELETION OF THE POST THAT i JUST ATTEMPTED IS PROOF POSITIVE OF THIS AND i AM DISGUSTED WITH YOUR POST ORWELLIAN WORLD JOURNALISM
This Lady may have stumbled
But She ain't never fell
And if the Muslims don't believe that
They can all go straight to hell
– With apologies to Charlie Daniels
its illegal for women to drive cars in saudi arabia, but no the west is the problem looooooool
"America seeks to undermine Islam." Well, if defend against = undermine, then yes. And please don't expect it to be as easy to forge the Islamification of America as it was in England. Islam is a threat to anyone who is not Muslim.
I feel so misunderstood by Muslims. Why aren't there any articles about that? I am so offended.
If most muslims are offended that America isn't going to stand for their brainless religious backwash and b-s, threats and refusal to let them treat women like trash – they can bloody well leave as quick as they came. "Their" women can stay in America where they have rights and a chance to live a humane, dignified life. It's that simple. Send these unwashed barbarians home.
For Muslims, the bell constantly rings by many that the US is the instigator of nearly all that is wrong. Their ignorant, comedic and illogical conpiracy theories and the cultural predisposition to avoid looking inward at their own failings feed their victimization. Is that the fault of the US yet again?
The largest problem I see coming out of the Muslim world is a religious bigotry that is as bad as the Spanish inquisition. Walk down the street in New York as a woman in a burqa you might get sneered at a time or two. Walk down the street in a major Muslim capital with a crucifix medal exposed on your chest and you probably will get killed or marked for death. Cultural intolerance is fine in their own country but when others don't tolerate their bigoted separatism in other countries, their "in your face" cultural practices, they cry of discrimination and vengeance.
Trying to understand such people only enables their twisted thinking....if they want to act like victims nothing we can do will stop it. The Arab spring has to happen in places like Syria, Iran and in SA and it is their only hope. If the terrorist groups spent as much time and energy trying to improve their own countries instead of how they can go after Israel, they would have a more successful society and be happier. Muslims have to wake up, hold themselves accountable, replace oppressive governments, and live in a real world and recognize those that are not of their faith or culture are on this earth as legitimately as they are and that is should be respected. They have to stop spending their energies blaming the US and others for their own failures and dreaming of revenge. For them to live in a logical world is the best we can hope for.
Lol pakistan was harboring Bin Laden. And he was responsible for killing people in 9/11. America, nor anybody else gives a rat's a$s about what Muslims think about that – nor do they care about the bells that ring in Muslims' ears. Most muslims I know shower once a week and have their ear canals crusted over with wax & filth – so if they're hearing bells – it's time to take a shower and use Q-Tips, and maybe get some anti-psychotic meds & brainwashing therapy to rid themselves of what Americans hate the most - extremeist religion.
Why is it that WE had no problems when Americans never even heard of Muslims? Time machine time.
Screw those muslim Arabs. We don't need them here.
Can any Muslim tell me why they continue to discriminate against women, and yet want a Westerner to accept this? Can any woman not born a Muslim tell me why they would support a religion that doesn't have equality?
Muslims = Haters
I said this 10 years ago and was screamed at by my sister-in-law; I know that all Muslims are not responsible for 9/11, but at the same time I can understand why there is prejudice against them. I live in New York; the 9/11 attacks had a great impact on me. I still am wary when I am in a public place and someone fitting the description is acting oddly. In fact, I was at a football game this weekend and there was a Middle Eastern of descent individual acting oddly, standing in the middle of the aisles placing cell phone calls, and it made me extremely uncomfortable. I wanted to leave. For all of you who will raise a clamor about this statement-no, I do not discriminate against anyone-I teach my son to be accepting of anyone, no matter their nationality. But given the anniversary, I was uneasy. I feel badly about that.
All I hear in these post is "I'm right, your wrong" and a lot of hatred. Sad
The majority of people in Islam-dominant countries hate Americans and make a point to express this hate in no uncertain terms. How do they expect us to react to this unmitigated hate – by taking them out to dinner and a movie?
Must see – about palestinian long-time stand concerning the west-
http://emunadate.blogspot.com/2011/05/palestinians-perhaps-their-most-amazing.html
The article is interesting, but ignorant of some fundamental realities. That Muslims are mad at America is a given fact. The reason is not. Could it be that Muslims are historically opposed to whatever culture they encounter, and demand submission to their world view as the only and correct view? Their atrocities speak louder than any of their attempts to put a veneer over their beliefs. Submission is inherent to their religion, and they demand it from everyone else. Agitation and victimhood are their tools – throughout the world. So, let them be mad. They will not submit to a rule of law that is other than their Sharia. Their world-view is based on total and absolute supremacy of Muslim males. Get used to the fight, get used to their anger. We will not submit to their view and we will not submit our daughters to their oppression.
Have any of you even read this: http://www.ronmillersworld.org/just-a-thought/four-years-later/
"...most Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role..." +++++ But this was NOT true until well into the last generation. In Saddam's Iraq, 30% of marriages were between a Sunni and a Shiite. Most Iraqi's didn't know their neighbor's religion sect. But it's all become polarized now. Christian and Jewish communities that existed in peace for over a thousand years in Iraq, the Arabian Peninsula, etc. have been terrorized out of existence. Consequently what "most" Muslims probably want is for religion to get off of their backs the same way most Americans do!
Aegis in Nashville, TN is building a prayer room for Muslims in their office building. No chapel for Christians, though. My supervisor would have a coronary event if I asked to pray FIVE TIMES a day at work. I can barely get time for a bathroom break..
Muslims are MAD at AMERICA?!! You've got nerve even making that statement. WHO is mad for those people that went to work that day and didn't go home? WHO is mad for those people on those planes that had an extended time to ponder the fact that they were going to die before their plane was smashed into the World Trade Center? WHO is mad at all the other terrorist acts perpetrated by Muslims? The only people Muslims shoudl be mad at are their OWN PEOPLE. WE did NOTHING to start this. You should be ashamed of yourself for even publishing this statement. It's bleeding hearts like you who are someday going to allow one of these psychos to bring a dirty bomb or a nuke into this country, and then we'll see who's mad THEN.
Muslims are mad at America because it supports Israel.
Muslims are mad at America because they perceive it is trying to undermine their Islamic society and replace it with western ideals. And yet, they have exactly the same goal for America, to replace western ideals with an Islamic society.
Muslims are mad at America because it promotes freedom and Islam cannot thrive where there are freedoms.
Muslims are mad at America because it allows women to be treated like equals to men.
Muslims are mad at America because................it is not Islam.........and this is the bottom line.
Pack em up in a septic tank and send em all home, then. At their two-faced corrupt government's expense.
I say, grant their wish...... Send ALL of them to paradise!
You need to do another story, with the heqdline: "Why Muslims can go fu*k themselves."
I live in Detroit and let me tell you. The Muslims are Muslims First, moneyhungry Second, and Americans Third....In that order. They arent interested in assimilating....they want us to change our ways for them. They are not about to integrate...they want to dominate this city with Sharia law and Americans be damned in their viewpoint. There is no integrating with them, as they are hell bent on making this entire area run by Muslims and their Sharia law! It's time to deport all people living here that are not bonfied citizens. Right after 9/11 we should have deported every person with Visas and Green Cards that were not full citizens....all of the oens from Muslim countries. It may be too late to do it at this point, but we should try. The way they treat their women disqualifies them to be citizens of this great country where we believe all people are equal. Their subversive treatment of women is rotten and we actually owe it to our citizens to screen for these types of people that will do nothing but dilute the values we hold dear. The Muslims are the only people that come here and want to change everything and not want to fit in and assimilate...the IRish, Polish, Scottish, Italians...and on and on came here and made their living within the structure we already had....the Muslims are the only ones that have to make America cow tow to their Sharia law and stuff... Time to send them all packing! I don't care why they don't like us, but they should leave. Let them all rot in their stinking third world filth! None of the Muslims here in Michigan denounced the 9/11 events....we didn't see them in the streets or making overt statements or anything. They hung out and were probably high fiving all of their Muslim brothers over a cold one while our people were dying! Oh, and the Muslim religion is not a religion....it's an ideology hell bent on controling every aspect of our lives......go watch some you tube videos by Gerst Wilder.....it is interesting and very true. It will scare you so bad you will be begging your congressional reps to get something on the ballot quickly to remove all Muslims that are not bonafide US citizens.
Geert Wilder is the man. Yes, it is an ideology bent on domination and subjugation, nothing more. A good Muslim can't function in a western society because their "religious" text calls on them to brutally kill Christians and Jews, and anyone else considered an infidel. In fact, if they're reading a translated Koran, they've already sinned, and are supposed to be killed. They're a joke and disease.
don't try to shove their religious laws down my throat
it won't be healthy for any of them!
Would it surprise you to learn that the Arabic-speaking population of the Detroit area has a very large Chaldean Christian and Palestinian and Lebanese Christian sub-populations?
To the bleeding hearts... go to another sovereign nation and demand that your rights/laws/beliefs be upheld instead of those already established. Do that and see what happens. We have freedoms so long as they don't impose on the freedoms of another. Take your sharia law and your traditions and go to a traditional Muslim country. I've spent a lot of time in one, and Islam does nothing but stifle the human elements of creativity and progress. It's why there is a direct relationship between technological/social progress and western exposure.
They hate America because we support Israel.
I am an immigrant myself. I came to this country 30 years ago and experimented the same cultural shock that I believe most people in then same situation do. Solution: I had to adapt myself to it, learn the language and consider this my new home. I have no regrets and I am grateful that I am living here.
To those who disagree or dislike this country they should go back to whenever they came from. I bet they came here looking for a better life but at the same time not willing to accept the necessary changes that come with change. Trying to impose anybody's beliefs or rules of conduct that we brought from our countries of origin is wrong. and violates our own desire to live in a free society.
They don't have to accept us nor do we have to be like them. We are the way we are and we are very proud of it.
What I see here, in one point, is that Muslims want to enshrine sharia law, in their own country's law, one of which would be a ban on converting to ANY other religion. That, to me, shows a certain amount of fear that there will be conversions to other religions and that force must be applied to prevent it. Not a very good picture of a religion that they claim to be the best. No freedom of conscience is not something that is desirable in any country. We extend to them such freedom and tolerance, is it really so hard, in their "worldview" to do the same? This is not meant to be hateful, in any way, I am trying to understand.
They like others dying, nor deaths of their own.
Some of the statements in the article are true but not all of them stated. Being a American I am not prejudiced against Muslims at all and treat them with the same respect as I would anyone I have contact with in my everyday life. Please remember that the U S government does quite a few things that the average American ( including me ) does not agree with !!!!!!!!!
Sorry – I don't care why muslims are mad. I can tell you that most Americans are still mad at them and pretty much want them all dead. Period.
Steven Kull is so full of krap. It's just not Muslims in the U.S., It's just not Arab Muslims in the Middle East. It's just no Muslims in the former states of the Soviet Union. it's just not Muslims in the outer provinces in China. It's not just Muslims in Africa, the Muslims in India, and it is just not Muslims in Indonesia who are mad at the U.S. They are mad at everyone. Ask the Chinese, ask the Russians, ask the Christians in Africa, ask the Hindu's and Sikhs in India, ask the Buddhists and Christians in Indonesia. So don't believe Steven Kull's B.S. that it's something the U.S. is doing wrong with the "Muslims". The Muslims have a problem with the rest world, the rest of the world was here before the Muslims came about, and the rest of the world can get along fine without them if need be.
This is the best comment so far. Steven Kull should care to reply this one. Muslims are mad at everyone who is not one among them. Need proof...go and check Nigeria, Bangladesh, Russia, China,India, Thailand.
Muslims trace their hatred of America back to the middle ages, according to the article. Yet, America did not exist in the middle ages. Seems to me that mankind needs an "enemy". Muslims have made America that enemy. Our freedoms, our lifestyle, our open tolerance of women (not to mention how we allow women to dress). All of these are rationalizations to make America the bogey man. If Muslims would work to eliminate terrorism, there would be no reason for the current American perception that much of Islam is working to destroy us. It has to work both ways.
Thank you Mr. Kull. This is very good article with lots of facts about ground reality. I think more of these articles need to be written and published to educate everyone. People should not waste time debating with narrow minded minorities or even read their agnostic views.
I remember watching on TV Palestinians CELEBRATING
on the streets in the West Bank hours after the attacks on 9 /11.
Then the silence from Muslim leaders in America.
The Israeli's stopped what they were doing for a moment of silence.
I also remember those people dancing in the streets after 9/11. I proudly display a framed front page from the local newspaper from the day we killed Bin Laden. My whole neighborhood was dancing in the streets and firing their AK-47's into the air! It isn't about religion, it was about justice for a mass murderer. I'm sure the reaction was very different in the Muslim World, and that the Mullahs didn't tell their faithful that their 'hero' died like the dog and coward he was, hiding behind a woman. Anyone else see the irony here???,.
I find this article to be a little infuriating. The Islamic world wants us to understand that they want Sharia to included in their society and they want us to "understand" that idea. We don't want Sharia law, or any other religious laws dominating our society. It is a simple thing to understand that we are who we are and we do not want any religious laws entering into our government or our societal structures. Half the planet is ready for Islamic rule, but not the US. In today's educated young, religion is waning in popularity for many obvious reasons.
they are mad?
well, I'm sure all "real" Americans are just peachy with that stupid statement.
9/11! It burns inside of me!
If they are going to connect something some of our ancestors did hundreds of years ago to those alive today, then they are fundamentally insane and we should treat them that way.
Moslims are up to no good in America.They don't like America and Americans .Moslims want to take over America thats why they are coming here.I don't thrust them.
And you are correct not to. Stick with that thought, even though so many will pressure you to let it go while telling you it is your misunderstanding which causes others to h8 you.
good god ya all!!!!!! so tired hearing about the muslims...from their religious views to how we do not understand them..hogwash...they need to be good citizens if they want u.s. acceptance..praying 5 times a day is a little on the extreme side....hating is extreme...live and let live...wish they would die..go to hell and rott forever...
Having studed the religion of islam with the help of my Muslim friend even he agress that all non muslims are called infadel. That the religion of islam is intended to concour the world for allah and all those who resist are to be put to death. Thats why you have different versions of islam around the world those that belive this totaly and those that broke off cause they belive its wrong to do that. Mabey people should sit down with a muslum and get them to read and interpit the Holly Book as i did and lean something.
Ummm that form of religion was surely made by someone who was very mad long ago. Because Islam is a religion of peace. I am a Christian but I have read the Qur'an and practice Satah and Eid. Long ago Islam and Christians worshiped together and called the heed under the same God. You even had Jesus and ect in there. We traded and lived side by side. But then Tyranny and Greed became increasing and Dictators claimed themselves as of a Prophet thus telling people what to believe in. Then other people felt betrayed and went with it. Today I think people and esp Muslims are trying to show this. I work with a Masjid here and we all are Brothers and Sisters. Why would you kill your brother and sister. So no not all non-muslims are Infidels that is just created by the old Tyrant Dictators to have excuse to cause holy war for there own agenda.
It is time to stop caring what they think, and take care of our own. Our biggest threat is China, which has basically stolen America's growth for twenty years. Still, we ignore it. Our second biggest threat is a government which is coin-operated. Oddly, we keep talking about how other nations, and people, 'feel' about America. Think about it - there is no reason at all we should care. America's biggest mistake was to be so arrogant as to think that we can, or should, save anyone from themselves.
Hey Steven, maybe you should write a piece about how mad America is at muslims, you could start with interviews of the the families of those lost in the Barracks attack in Beirut or the embassy attacks in Africa or night clubs in Bali or hotels in India. Islam is not a religion, it is a disease, one that must be eradicated for humanity to survive
Well as a Christian-American I am with open arms to my Muslim brothers and sister. See I have read the old and new testament as well as the Qur'an and I can say we really are not that different if you look at it. See most people who fear Islam would not see it like that because they do not take the time to study. Because they are scared of some thing "New" and different. Well Judaism and Christianity are more different then Islam and Christianity yet we live among in peace. Now how can you go and claim Islam is a Religion of Violence if 1.) A couple of people do it. 2.) You have not read or studied. 3.) Your uneducated and grew up radicalized of some other religion taught that Islam is the devil. Now I have helped my Muslim community here in my state help build there first Masijd and I have practiced Satah with them 5 times a day. We also pray to the same God. And we visit each others churches and Madjid's see we do that in peace and knowing the guy or girl next to me is a fellow American. These are as my Brothers and Sisters as any of you random people are. In the end we are Americans and America is our Home. : )
I am not an american but I lived in America also from my knowledge of happening I can say that Americans are open minded and wants the development by utilizing the talents. They don't stop anybody practising thier religion which is done in other countries especially those America haters Muslim countries.
Other countries are simply jealous !! They do not have the ability to utilize the talents or they little care about this. The high ranked politicians are busy about their own children and relatives. Where as Americans are not that selfish, they want an overall development and gives the opportunities to those talents and prosper technologically benefit of which is enjoyed by the whole world including those America hater Muslim countries. America do not go beg for the talents, the talented people realize that America is the best place to use their talents. Like other countries America has sufficient manpower to run itself not giving immigration to other nationalist. Don't take its open mindedness as its weakness.
What a long-winded explanation for anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world. It seems to me that Muslims do not share a universal hatred for "progressive" Muslim cultures such as Turkey, Jordan or Iraq; all of whom appear to judge other Muslim nations with the same bifurcated lens that US policy has operated. Where the US differs is, as the author points out early on(though casually discounts) is our support for Isreal. Face it, they hate us because we support Isreal. I am comfortable with that and am comfortable with the notion that the US is at odds with a culture that promotes anti-semitism and intolerance, irrespective of it's roots. He'll, if you're going to suggest that Muslims have a legitimate basis for their intolerance for the west due to the crusades, we may as well say that the KKK has a basis for their intolerance of blacks because the Moors once plundered and raved European nations.
While I do not in any way agree with the Muslim understanding of the West, I am happy to see someone writing an article about the concept of different world views. CNN in particular tends to not understand that there are vastly different world views. The US and CNN tries to make that square peg fit into the round hole. The US and CNN assumes that democracy can and should work anywhere in the world. They assume that Arabs and Westerners basically want the same things, have similar goals and values. Not so. The Arabs will never make peace with Israel because Jews and Christians are dhimies and a Jewish Israel can not be. Period. They are not interested in making peace. Arabs glorify death. They respect strength, not diplomacy. So, for Israel to give them one inch of land is just stupid. Never mind that they build their Dome of the Rock over the Jewish Temple which stood for 1000 years, 1500 years before there was such a thing as an Arab or Islam. Never mind that Jews have prayed for the return to our homeland for 2000 years. Never mind that Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran. It isn't about the land, it's about Islam and it's supremacy.
Muslims are still stuck in medieval mentality, intolerant of other religious and cultures, deeply hostile to democratic traditions. That's the major reason they hate USA as a country who stands for the values they can't accept. The very existence of USA is a treat to them. On the other hand, USA owes them nothing and has nothing to apologize for.
Now some liberals and left wingers, living in USA, hate this country so much that they are ready to roll on their back and accept Muslim theocratic state in USA, or practically anything but the democracy they despise. Those people of course would not agree with this posting, but do save yourself time replying. Majority of those living in this country are proud of this country and its democratic traditions and are ready to stand up and fight for its values.
Wow. Great article. I find it interesting that Muslims here are angry not at the Christian west, but the secular west. If we were truly a Christian society, they apparently would not be so offended. The cultural values coming out of the movies, TV, etc., are not necessarily from a Christian viewpoint.
Another point I find interesting is that at least some American Christians feel the same way toward America's attempts to snuff out religion in the public square. Could it be we are fighting the same enemy?
But to Islam's discredit, its people in the US want to be treated with special consideration, but put a Christian in their country, and it's "death to the infidel."
Truth is – they are fine when terrorists kill us, they just don't like to be around when it happens.
"Daniel Allen – People who come to our country need to respect our culture more, not the other way around. You have things backward." That' s what they are saying about US too!
They need to get over themselves !!
While I do not in any way agree with the Muslim understanding of the West, I am happy to see someone writing an article about the concept of different world views. CNN in particular tends to not understand that there are vastly different world views. The US and CNN tries to make that square peg fit into the round hole. The US and CNN assumes that democracy can and should work anywhere in the world. They assume that Arabs and Westerners basically want the same things, have similar goals and values. Not so. The Arabs will never make peace with Israel because Jews and Christians are dhimies and a Jewish Israel can not be. Period. They are not interested in making peace. Arabs glorify death. They respect strength, not diplomacy. So, for Israel to give them one inch of land is just stupid. Never mind that they build their Dome of the Rock over the Jewish Temple which stood for 1000 years, 1500 years before there was such a thing as an Arab or Islam. Never mind that Jews have prayed for the return to our homeland for 2000 years. Never mind that Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran. It isn't about the land, it's about Islam and it's supremacy.
How about a story about why Americans are still pi**ed at the entire muslim world? How about a story about how muslims still will not clean their own house and how their sons and daughters are encouraged to strap dynamite to themselves? How about a story on how this filthy, backward "religion" is a cancer on this Earth and how there will be no chance at peace as long as there is one muslim left on it? How about a story on why almost every, single conflict on this Earth is muslims fighting people who are not muslims BECAUSE they are not muslims?
We,ll, at least they are now "mad" and not "offended," as it seemed they were every day in the past years.
There is one and only one person to blame for Muslim's hate of America.
Ray Stevens.
He wrote and sang "Ahab the Arab"
F*** THEM! We're told we must be nice to them even though 9/11 happened. Lets not forget all the stuff they done to antagonize us before 9/11, and we're told to now be SILENCED! Yet its ok for them to be mad. Mad because we've given them endless aid and better rights then US???
Who cares why Muslims hate America? Nazis hated us too and we didn't apologize to them.
Muslims hate America because they are idiots. They take the musings of a dark age desert mongrel seriously. They cover their heads because the contents underneath are inadequate to enable them to think clearly. They are obsessed with cleaning their appendages five times a day and strongly believe that their prayers lose credit if they pass intestinal gas. What else can you call them but morons ?
Why don't we simply ask Rick Perry to have a prayer group about this? Problems solved.
My impression is that Muslims and Christians are both pretty hateful people.
Maybe the fact that half of all Americans (Idiot Republicans) hold all Muslims directly responsible for 9/11? Maybe we aren't so different after all!
It is true that “Muslims believe that they are on a different path than the West . This path is central to their notion of their freedom to practice their religion…”
Here are some references from the Qur’an concerning the way the Muslims should treat all other “who do not believe”. IS THERE ANY WAY TO HAVE PEACE WITH SUCH BELIEVERS?
Qur'an:9:88 "The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive
hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah's Cause."
Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them,
take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every
stratagem of war."
Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and
are slain, kill and are killed."
Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all
surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
Ishaq:325 "Muslims, fight in Allah's Cause. Stand firm and you will
prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your
religion will be victorious."
Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to
Allah."
Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief
[non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole
world)."
Ishaq:324 "He said, 'Fight them so that there is no more rebellion,
and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.'"
Qur'an:9:14 "Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands,
lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them."
Ishaq:300 "I am fighting in Allah's service. This is piety and a
good deed. In Allah's war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is
righteous, true, and good."
Ishaq:587 "Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We
shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly
seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we
destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every
opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and
Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder
them, for they must suffer disgrace."
Qur'an:8:65 "O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are
twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there
are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels
are a people devoid of understanding."
Ishaq:326 "Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are
twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless
people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth."
Bukhari:V4B52N63 "A man whose face was covered with an iron mask
came to the Prophet and said, 'Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam
first?' The Prophet said, 'Embrace Islam first and then fight.' So he embraced
Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, 'A Little work, but a great
reward.'"
thank you KJMU....why aren't the defenders of islam responding to your quotes?
f*** your religion. take it and your followers elsewhere.
As a woman, I must admit that I am not a fan of the Muslim faith. Just looking at those photos of that woman who worked as a nanny to one of Gadahfi's grandchildren and how they had poured boiling water over her head makes me angry. The Muslim faith may have been built on peaceful co-existance thousands of years ago, but I don't see any evidence of that now. It is all political now. They may want to be left alone, but then they get to fussing and fighting. Then the western world has to step in and they resent us for it.
A very well-written article and it does address some valid points.
I'm a simple man and look at things on those terms. The reason I avoid Muslims is the same reason I avoid any religion that takes itself too seriously. Of all the countries in the world, the United States has the largest mix of the most religions, nationalities, cultures, etc. And with that comes conflict. It's just how life is. If you put whites, blacks, mexicans side by side, you're going to have conflict. But you also get a more diverse pool of people who can contribute more than just one ethnic group who all believe the same thing. Bottom line: the greater the advantage, the greater the disadvantage. When I was a Baptist, if you told me Jesus was gay, I would just get mad, tell you to go F yourself, and move on. If drunk, maybe a fist fight would happen. We both would get slightly injured and eventually move on our merry way. But when you take a religious group like Muslims into this conflict and insult Allah, buildings, plains, innocent people having nothing to do with the conflict including woman and children get destroyed. Muslims are not the only religions this fanatical about their beliefs, but they DO believe it. They need to come clean and admit that they will jump to murder if you draw a cartoon of Allah. People like that do not belong here for their safety and ours. Either they need to re-write their bible (believe me, Christians have done it MANY times) so that their culture can co-exist, or they need to leave. Period
Muslims are mad at everybody, not just America. They've been fed a pack of lies by their own religious and secular leaders, and have been told it's everyone else's fault but their own that they're in poverty, illiteracy and economic stagnation.
As far I was taught..."When in Rome, do like Romans do". Somehow muslims believe they can force their garb on us, in our own home.
The Goal of Muslims in America in their own words:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
1998 speech to Muslims in California by Omar Ahmad, co-founder of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR)
Muslims are MAD at AMERICA?!! The press has nerve even making that statement. WHO's mad for those people that went to work on 9/11 and didn't go home? The only people Muslims should be mad at are their OWN PEOPLE. WE did NOTHING to start this. Bleeding hearts like this are someday going to allow one of these psychos to bring a nuke into this country, and then we'll see who's mad then.
What the Koran says about jihad:
"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war." (Koran 9:5)
So, muslims are still mad at America? So.
I will remember, for the remainder of my time on this planet, the footage showing the display of Muslim jubilation over the death, injury and destruction perpetrated in the name of their god on September 11, 2001.
Muslims mad? What? Imagine that. Who gives a crap other than liberals who try to make themselves feel better by trying to appear "noble"? I couldn't care less if muslims are mad. Par for the course.
Just another pathetic and lame attempt by CNN to defend them. Ever notice we get these articles about the poor, pitiful muslims while we get other articles about, say, Christianity where that belief system is constantly dismissed?
Let's talk when planes high-jacked by Christians crash into buildings killing thousands, kill daughters for the sake of honor, cut off journalists heads, etc. Let's hear it for the Muslims!! Hip-hip-hooray!!
Creed of the the Muslim Brotherhood:
"God is our objective; the Koran is our law; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."
The Muslim Brotherhood's plan for a "grand jihad" to destroy America from within by her own hands:
The Muslim Brotherhood "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house by their hands and the hands of believers so that it is eliminated and Allah's religion is made victorious over all other religions."
Mohamed Akram "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America" May 22, 1991
LOL U MAD
Muslims are the enemy of America. I say to all American: Never trust a Muslims. Do not be deceived by what they are saying because it is nothing but lies. Rebuke them no matter what others say about them. Islam is not and was never a religion. Koran is not the words of God and never have been. It is a book written by muslims only and was made to deceived many people that they are peaceful people and culture. They are not peaceful. Their wicked heart is hidden and waiting for the day when they will strike like a viper and kill as many non-muslims as they can. Again, stay away from all muslim and rebuke. Do not befriend with them or you will end up dead.
Rebuke all muslims
Who gives a rats ass if they are still angry. I'm sick to death of catering to people who could care less about America.
Some people think that most Muslims in this country are moderates. Even if that's the case, it's irrelevant to the threat posed. Most Germans were not Nazis, and most Russians were not Communists, but that didn't stop the Nazis or the Communists from taking control of the government and imposing their will on the rest of the population.
god is great, religion is not. Maybe someday someone will realize that in the world we are all the same.
Well, most of America (save for liberal news organizations) are still mad at muslims. Goes both ways. Cry me a river.
What I see is that a Muslim is more than a religion it is a way of life. I believe that once a person is allowed to live in this Country, the United States of America, you become an American First, you have your freedom of religion but your way of life should then be that of an AMERICAN not a Muslim, or a Chinese, or a Russian. This is a melting pot and you must come together with the rest of us. You are no longer a Muslim way of life, you are an American. Change your ways and embrace the rest of us and you will no longer the rejected.
If the Muslims are so mad at America and despise our culture, how come so many of them have migrated to this country? I could not care less what these other countries who suck up our foreign aid feel. We certainly don't need any more contention in this country with our internal issues.
Death to America every body !!!!!!!!!1
This is a very easy question. Muslims hate America ONLY BECAUSE IT STILL EXISTS.
'Why still mad?' get lost....
How about freedom of religion in Saudi Arabia and the 50 other countries which the Muslims have taken over?
No Muslim will protest for this, as they are the wicked and evil.
History has proven that dictatorships (including monarchies) lead to oppression and persecution – there is virtually no such thing as a benevolent dictator (power corrupts...). Likewise, historical attempts to create theocracies are just as destructive (if not more so). The United States was founded on principles designed in diametric opposition to theocracy (especially the destructive historical experiments in Christian theocracy). Islam unfortunately tends toward a theocratic politic (sharia). The natural result of any political theocracy will be oppression and persecution. Freedom of conscience particularly (as well as virtually every other freedom) will be violated under such a system. The United States appears to have favored the lesser of two evils in the past by giving support to dictators instead of Ayatollahs and Mullahs. Americans should support the practice of every faith (not just Islam) – in both the private and public sphere. Americans should oppose every attempt by religionists (be they Muslim, Christian, or any faith) to develop a theocracy.
“…every [Christian] sect believes its own form the true one,
every one perhaps hoped for his own,… The returning good sense of our country
threatens abortion to their [political] hopes, & they believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god,
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.” – Thomas Jefferson
I have to question why CNN and other very liberal news sources continue to publish non-sense articles like this one. Unlike the other mainstream religions, Islam is belligerently undemocratic. It not only tolerates, but encourages bias against women,and everyone who is not Muslim. It also encourages violent proliferation of the bias. Certainly there are some small radical movements within Christianity and Judaism. But the mainstream of these regions has moved on to fully recognize democratic values and equality of all people. That is not the case with Islam, and Muslims have no-one to blame but themselves for change can only come from within. The only way Muslims can bridge a 500+ year gap with modern civilization and the other major religions is to look at themselves self-critically and stand up to abuses of human rights that are so pervasive in their countries. Blind adherence to long outdated rules that suppress initiative critical thinking is no way to improve yourself and earn respect of others. Unfortunately, recognition of democracy is at embryonic state in the Muslim world and the rest of the world should remain unforgiving. As we have witnessed with the fall of Communist Block in the 1990's, only unrelenting external pressure can foster change from within.
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who cares if theyre angry at us? i think we still have a right to be angry at them regardless of whether their beliefs in islam are the same or different of the extremists who attacked us
...his argument that the US undermines 'true' democratic processes in Islamic countries by supporting only secular groups is correct..because every time an Islamic group has the chance they create an Islamic autocratic regime: ie: Iran...elections in Iran havent been free or valid and the same revolutionary students that overthrew the Shah, now hold academics and political opponents prisoner....you cant have Sharia or an Islamic Republic without suppression of EVERY OTHER RELIGION ...which is uncivilized and unevolved...
We needed a five year study to ascertain why Muslims don't like us and they still don't know! its quite simple, we have a fair Democratic system that permits all religions to co-exit together and they are jealous of our success. They have one crazy religion that incites violence. If they would put religion on the back burner and not be obsessed with it, they would be much more peaceful people.
Not sure they are mad, they are disappointed with the US. Too many promises were made and none kept. Typical American's policy.
IF THESE SO-CALLED MUSLIMS WEREN'T ANNOYED WITH AMERICA THEY WOULDN'T BE FOLLOWING A CHILD MOLSETING MURDERER MOHAMMAD WHO IS IN HELL WHO PREACHES TO KILL THE INFIDELS WHICH IS ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THIS CHILD MOLESTOR! MUSLIMS NEED TO WAKE UP QUICKLY AND STOP FOLLOWING A FALSE PROPHET. IF THEY WAKE UP THEY WOULDN'T DISLIKE AMERICA AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ON THE CRIMINALS SIDE OF THE COIN! SIMPLE! DUHHH!!
terrorism, honor killings, car bombs, ieds, suicide bombers, abuse of females... and you can't find one moslem leader to stand up against them because he would be killed and would loose his zealot power base that keeps him in power- these men sound like the mafia.
People seem to forget that our country was built on Christian values. Why should we adhere to Islamic values if we are supposed to be a Christian nation. Make no mistake about it, the Muslims would like nothing more than to turn the US into a muslim nation. Do you think Christians or anyone else who wasn't a muslim would have any freedom at that point? If so, you might want to research the ways of Islam to see how truly oppressive it is. So who cares if they're mad at America. Good.
Muslims are still mad, that goes without saying, quite mad.
Howc ome I can't openly go to any christian churchin the arab world or invite a moslem friend to one of these church events without that church being bombed or straiffed with ak fire? Sounds like a really good religion to me. So affraid these little men of islam are!
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Why do these muzzies flock to the US and west when they don't like us and our 'decadent' way of life? To take advantage of job opportunities and live a quality of life not found in their muslim crapholes. Why does the US continue importing them when they are responsible for more terrorist and attempted terrorist attacks than all other nuts combined? Because Aericans are the most stupid creatures to walk the planet earth. Way to go PC. It is also nice how they shut down cartoon shows under threat of death and continue to try killing cartoonists they don't like. Now they are after David Letterman. These muzzies have a real problem with humor. The other day they attacked an amusement park worker and started a riot because they would not remove their head rags before getting on the rides. Although they blow up other muslims every day in their muzzie countries, we still import them just to spend billions on a new department designed to protect ourselves from their attacks. Terrorism aside, the last thing this country needs are a bunch of dark age, rag headed fundamentalists who have to whip out rugs and pray 5 times a day. The bible bangers are bad enough but these devout rag wearers will bring us down to the level of the muzzie sewers they crawled out of. Nice article the other day about "virginity tests' in the new free and islamic Egypt. Cheer up PC, soon coming to a neighborhood near you. The Christmas day underwear bombers are also a nice touch.
Ever notice the common variable in the problem is religion? Why hold onto something that is false, and causes so much pain?
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Now that ABDULLAH THE BUTCHER, the madman from the Sudan, has earned his rightful place in the Wrestling Hall of FAme, there is no need for these people to hold any grudge against the U-S-A. Many of them have yet to recover from what Hulk Hogan did to the Iron Sheik many years ago in MAdison Square Garden!!!!!!
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Prodaxa, good for you. Try it and you willl be happy. What the hell is Prodaxa.
"Muslims believe, that Jesus was one of the mightiest messengers of God that he was the Christ, that he was born miraculously without any male intervention (which many modern-day Christians do not believe today), that he gave life to the dead by God's permission and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission. In fact, no Muslim is a Muslim if he or she does not believe in Jesus!"
Yet the Quran states that anyone who believes that Jesus is the Son of God should die. They deny his deity and go out of their way to deny the Holy Trinity.
What will also surprise the christians is the fact that the Muslim does not take the holy name of Jesus, in his own language, without saying Eesa, alaihi assalam ("Jesus, peace be upon him").
Another "oh those poor Muslims" article from the Muslim News Network.
When nailed down, most American Imams will not acknowledge that Jews have a right to exist. Or that terror attacks are always wrong. We have ignored Islamic radicals even though they have take our embassies hostage and attacked military barracks with car bombs. 9/11 was the last straw. Muslims are mad, good, maybe they will take an aggressive stance against radical teaching in their own mosques.
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 6, Verse 85
Sura 5:72-73, 5:75 “They do blaspheme who say: “God is Christ the son of Mary.” They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a trinity: for there is no God except one God Allah. If they do not desist from their word of blasphemy, verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Christ the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him.”
Qur'an Sura 4:171: “O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” :desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.”
Sura 6:102 “The originator of heavens and earth! How can He have a child, when there is for Him no consort?”
Sura 72:3 “We believe that He – exalted be the glory of our Lord – hath taken neither wife nor son.”
Sura 112:1-4 “Proclaim, 'He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him.”
Sura 18:4-5 “Further, that He may warn those (also) who say, “God hath begotten a son”: No knowledge have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying what they say is nothing but falsehood!”
Ruthless scags make me puke.
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87.. Amman
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 6, Verse 85
so what?
The Koran talks about Jesus and so what?
what does that change?
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171, keep reading
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 6, Verse 85
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171, got it?
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
"And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 6, Verse 85
It seems that if you slap certain words like Islam, Terrorism, 9/11, and muslims, idiot trolls start replying like flies in feces.
"We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit" The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 2,Verse 87
"O Mary! God giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an, Chapter 3, Verse 45
"...Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of god..." The Holy Qur'an ,Chapter 4,Verse 171
"...And in their foot steps we sent Jesus the son of Mary..." The Holy Qur'an,Chapter 5, Verse 46
Muslims are bent out of shape because 911 didnt take America down, but our new muslim leader can finish the job before leaving office.
Your comment that there were not MILLIONS of Muslims celebrating in their streets on 9-11 is NOT TRUE and you know. it. Look at the facts....I was in France shortly after 9-11 and in their periodicals were numerous articles with interviews with muslims who stated that even though they did not like the fact that muslim extremists were the culprits, the US needed to be held accountable for it's actions in the Middle East and elsewhere AND THAT THE attacks were understood. Well, I understand why Israel would want to nuke all non jews and I think all non jews in the middle east need to understand that.
i do not know of any muslims country where the minorities have equal rights as the muslim citizens. when muslims talk about their rights in usa, i am just amazed.
Most Muslims are basically ambivalent about the US, just as most Americans are ambivalent about Muslim countries. Only the fringe in both realms has strong, negative feelings.
And there's nothing that can be done by either side to sway the feelings of these extremists. I have better things to worry about than how a handful of hate-crazed Muslims feels about the US, or how a handful of crazed Americans feels about Muslims. Those insisting that this is an issue worthy of attention need to get a life.
America doesn't have a Muslim problem. The world does. Muslims won't be happy until anyone who does not believe in Muhammad or Allah is either converted or dead. For real.
That is totally bs. Wake up and relieve yourself from your ignorance! Muslims do not force people to convert! That is against Islam! And, by the way, Quran starts with a sentence "read" (not meaning Quran). I guess you do not do much research and reading!
Regards!
You're right, they won't force you...they'll just kill you if you don't.
The author portrayed the American historical view as:
"As in the Renaissance, religion is largely banished from the public sphere, thus allowing pluralism and diversity of beliefs in the private sphere while maintaining a secular public sphere."
Hooey. This may be the common view of the situation, but anyone who thinks this has obviously not looked at the dates of the worst of Christian Europe and compared it to the Renaissance.
Here is the truth: many, if not most, of the worst excesses of Christian religious violence and interference in secular politics were during the Renaissance. Witch hunts? Renaissance, not Middle Ages. Inquisition? Renaissance era. Thirty years war wiping out a fourth of the population of central Europe? Renaissance again. Prosecution and massacres of the Anabaptists? Renaissance. Massive stripping of women's rights of the middle ages that were only slowly reversed by 18th – 20th century political activists? Renaissance. The conflicts between secular science and religious officials? That started in the Renaissance, too.
The Renaissance was, in religious terms, a great step backwards to the most primitive, violent and intolerant forms of religion that exist. The Christian churches during the middle ages was deeply flawed, but it was far more tolerant, it showed deep respect for science and human rights and spent much more effort trying to curb violence rather than encourage it compared to the Renaissance era.
Perhaps the author meant "Enlightenment" instead of "Renaissance".
Who really a flying F what these people think of us or anyone else. The world simply be a better place if these cults would realize there is NO god or gods and that they have been brainwashed for 100's if not thousands of years.
You want to believe in something ? Believe in YOURSELF and not some myth.
Join the modern world !!!
Why Muslims are still mad at America:
1) Treated as second class citizens.
2) Frequently referred to in the media as "them," those using the word "them," proceed to get angry when rightly compared to Nazis.
3) Frequently targeted by terrorists and other criminals here in the US; media proceeds to not cover these stories.
4) People get up in arms and scream when they try to exercise their First Amendment rights, by asking for a building permit for a community center/worship space in Manhattan.
And to top it off, most Muslims living in the United States are US Citizens, and should have equal protection under the law.
Derp.
because of acts like http://collateralmurder.org/
because of acts like http://www.collateralmurder.org/
tl;dr. Islam is a danger to the world.
Islam is not a danger to the world, ignorance is. It is very unfortunate that ignorance goes hand in hand with most Americans!
People like this guy and organization like CNN/NYT etc. would have been at the front in saying Hitler was misunderstood and had a point. Never again.......don't make me laugh.
How about an artical called "Why Americans are Still Mad at Muslims?" Could it be that a bunch of muslims hijacked jets and crashed them into buildings klilling thousands???? HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wake the "f" up.
I agree, I too don't care. Why not an article in Arabic, Pashtu, Persian, etc. on why Americans don't like Islam or Muslims?
CNN would NEVER do that...it's too objective for them.
The short answer to the article, I don't really care why muslims hate us, they may leave and not come back, or ever come over here. I don't really care for muslims nor islam, do they care???
Muslims bomb us, and CNN is worried about them being "mad" at us?
It's very simple really..if they don't like America and the way they are treated..go back to their homeland. We didn't ask them to come here, take advantage of the great things about America and then gripe because it's not perfect either.
You know what makes Muslims mad at America? CNN front headlines saying that most Muslims are still mad at America.
The better question is, Why are humans still mad at Muslims?
Living in the US for the last 35 years, Islam really doesn't come up that much in my daily conversations and when I have muslim friends over we don't discuss Islam. We have dinner and drinks.
CNN always reports on a specific group that hates Americans...............Why doesnt CNN or other media outlets report on why Americans don't like muslims......... MOST OF THEM ARE FED UP WITH THEM, BUT THEY DONT REPORT THAT, its always a one-way street with CNN....................
Anti-Americanism is becomming history in Muslim world. Every day Muslims started to realize that their problems are home grown. Especially younger generations start to get rid of Cold war type of conversations. The most stupid thing that every Muslim can do is hating America while the only wesdtern country which is less Racist ,more Tolerant to its Muslim population , and in the long term less hostile to Muslim countries. Believe me or not this republic (USA) is the only hope for Muslims for getting rid of their tyrans and starting a new era for their future. Only if they can get rid of their past mistakes and doing less harm to themselves. We as Muslims can learn from East Asians. One day East Asians was only enemies of Americans. But they rose from the ashes of war and now look at them ! If we as Muslims can change our views of the world , we will EARN more friendship and respect from Americans. look at Americans. they always correct themselves through history.they learn from their mistakes, We should too.
this article is ridiculous. Most muslims in the world besides those in iraq and afghanistan couldn't care less about America, They are people like you and I who just want to prosper and raise their families. I really don't get the purpose of this article
Simple answer – just have all Muslims head back to Mecca and stay there. End of problem. Seriously, if you want to come into this country, you should speak english, not be part of a terrorist culture and promise to open doors for old woman. Oh, take the veil off too.
Hey Muslims....right back atcha!
I doubt anyone cares anymore what Muslims are "mad" about – it's always something.
Maybe on the anniversary of September 11th we should show them how mad we still are....muslims are worse than rodents.
right on brotha.
give all the cops in the us the day off.
make it a national holiday.
9/11 payback day.
I don't even need to read this article to know that I don't care if MUSLIMS ARE MAD AT AMERICA. What a load of crap.
we dont care....get your house in order before you talk crap about the US....so tired of muslims...they are not the future of humanity....
Since so many Muslims are still mad at America, we should just get completely out of the Middle East. Withdraw all our troops, military bases, humanitarian aid, weapons we sell them, etc. I'm sure they'll be much happier left to themselves.
Oh please yes ! just do that! stop selling weapons and supporting tyrants that have made slave of us for decades, pull your troops away from our lands, and you ll see , we all would be more happy. and ps: muslims do not hate amarica, it is just stupid to say it this way. but i still remember when america wanted islamist (violent) to take control of my contry because they are so easy to manipulate. just leave us alone !! and we love you movies and way of life by the way, just stop killing us or helping those who do. very sorry for the death on 9/11, but also sorry for the hubderds of thousands of ours dead with your weapon too! you have a great democracy, we want the same, and we want to be free from you now
have you said sorry for 9/11/1973 that killed 3000 people and brough dictatorship by the way?(chilie for the ignorants)- we dont hate america, we hate hypocrisy!!!!!!
Very funny: a guy (or bunch or guys) raised in a culture driven by personal feelings and thought, trying to explain the mob mentality of a culture retarded by violence and poverty, where personal thoughts and ideas are punishable in various ways. These muslim guys have only one goal: eliminate the ones that are not like them. Nevermind the monb in their native countries, but how can anyone explain the isolation of muslims in our western civilizations? How can anyone deny their willingness to attack our values in our countries? Oh, this is politically incorrect and we should only look elsewhere while they keep growing in numbers, advance in our society and still blame us for all th wrongs of the world. Why? Because they can't think freely for themselves, they can only do as told by imams, mullahs or other religious figures. Sorry, the truth is they want to take over the world and we prevent them. And that's why they hate us.
I have two problems with this article, though it is interesting.
First, the author said "Al Qaeda did not succeed in drawing in most Muslims." While this is absolutely true, Muslims closed ranks around their own and did nothing to identify terrorists to those chasing them, and in fact often aided them with donations (though some of those donations were obtained fraudulently by fake 'charities').
Second, muslim society has fallen from their world-leading role that they had before the Renaissance, and have and are doing nothing to reverse the trend (fact: Largest college major amongst Saudi Arabia college students: Muslim Philosophy). In the 110 years of their existence, Muslims have earned a grand total of 8 Nobel prizes. Of the eight, five are Peace Prizes, awarded for NOT killing hordes of people-in other words, civilized behavior. Only one award was won in Science (two are in literature),and the one scientist of the group, while he is from Egypt, is now a US citizen, who earned his Ph.D. an the University of Pennsylvania and has worked at CalTech since 1976-hardly your typical Muslim.
Wee tiny Scotland has won nine Nobels in the same time period (remember, I compared the entire muslim population of the world versus tiny little Scotland), and seven of them in science for discovering things like insulin and penicillin, which together have and continue to save hundreds of millions of lives. In other words, Westerners earn Nobels for advancing knowledge and saving hundreds of millions of lives, while muslims earn theirs by simply not pulling the trigger.
In short, it seems that muslim society stopped advancing roughly 550 years ago, when Gutenberg invented the system of printing using moveable type. Muslim society had done a great job of preserving and growing scientific knowledge in the hundreds of years before 1455, but they have seemed to largely stopped since then.
We invade their countries, murder their innocent civilians with drones and bombs and take away their natural resources and CNN thinks they need to explain to us why they hate America. What a joke!
We invade their countries, murder their innocent civilians with drones and bombs and take away their natural resources and CNN thinks they need to explain to us why they hate America. What a joke!
We invade their countries because they killed our innocents, We killed some civilians as they use them as shields, we do not take their natural resources- they beg us to buy it from them.
Just wanted to straighten that out.
I do not give a damn whether or not MUSLIMS ARE MAD...what a load of crap,,,,We are americans not defined by kookie religion. You have to print this crap before 9/11/11...sick
I say blow'em all back to the stone ages and let God sort'em out!
As with all world wide problems it boils down to two outstanding issues, to many people and religion.
Who cares? I'm mad at them for killing millions of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists etc during the period of Islamic expansion in the middle ages. How about they give back Constantinople back for a start?
I totally agree.. WHO CARES!
Muslims organize their lives around the belief that a ghost authored their holy book. Get real.
As opposed to the Christian's book...written by the SON of an invisible man who lives in the sky and grants wishes if you live a good and clean life?
The New testament was not written by the Christ. It was written by those around him who witnessed what was said and done. Huge difference.
And THIS article gets a feature?!?! CNN, you need to report more on the Texas wildfires....we need volunteers, help...helicopters to carry water-donations for the families that have lost their homes and businesses...
%&*#@ The Muslim World and their Mamas
You just happened to be born on this pile of dirt and not that one...patriotism is for retards.
the next article should look like this...10 REASONS WHY AMERICANS STILL CANT STAND MUSLUMS.....
What do the muslims have against soap i mean every time i get in a cab i sitting there like what the __ is that smell i think the guy has a dead cat up front with him whatever it is they got some funky odor that is not humanly possible
Those who telling Americans killed Muslims: Why do you ever didn`t complaint about Muslim killer Russia? Why nobody in Muslim world give a damn about masacres in Sudan? Is it OK when we,Muslims kill each other? Is it OK if some not western country , especially Russians or Chineese kill their Muslim population? Why we are shutting up about every thing that Rassia or China do to our brothers and sisters? Wake up fellow Muslims. America is not our enemy , beware of China and Russia. And to Americans: You are not like europeans. Maybe Anti Immigrant,Racist Rightish style fit to them,look at their history ! But it is not fit to you, look at your ancestors.
WRONG!
i will vote for those that want to extermnate all of you.
well...don't be shocked. americans aren't that religious. they don't care about other peoples religion that much. if you are wondering why there are no morals or ethics in the way you are being treated...it probably has more to do with the structure of oil companies. and they don't have a brain so there's no morals there.
Quite simply, if they have a problem with their treatment in America, then let them return to their countries of origin. Further make it mandatory and law, that any foreigners that emigrate to America MUST assimilate to western culture or if they have a problem with that ... bye bye go home. They have done squat and have been collectively muted in speaking out against radical Islam. Islam at its very core is NOT a religion of peace, but rather one of violence, intolerance, divisive, prejudicial, and grossly disrespectful to women. I'm sick of hearing about their complaints in America. They never had it so good.
From the Statue of Liberty...
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,"
Guess that doesn't apply any more in your particular world view? Those yearning to be free means "Act as we do, or get out"? now?
When you can convince me that a prime cut camel rib eye is better than an USDA prime Cut Choice beef....well then we'll talk! Towel heads need to go back and pound sand if they don't like it here. Look at the damage they've done to Europe as a whole. It's NOT just us. They don't like anybody that doesn't smell like a camel.
WTC Building 7 continues to be a problem with the official government line on what happened on 9/11. Muslims were blamed for those events if you recall but I doubt Muslims took two to three weeks to wire up 7 WTC as someone appears to have done. If 7 WTC was an inside job and it seems pretty obvious that it was, than the rest of it is tainted too. And so Muslims may be mad at America because they have been accused and have had war waged against them for a crime or series of crimes that they did not do.
And shame on any American that has yet to look into crimes of 9/11 and not figured it out yet. Wake up and smell the coffee already before you have no country left.
Even beyond the evil fundamentalist muslims, why don't ordinary muslim societies let christianity open churches like America does for them? If you want equal treatment, treat us equally; Otherwise, don't complain.
you have plenty of churches in many muslim countries you know...not all of them are saoudi arabia (but thats your best friend...))- just google church tunisia or morocco or egypt etc...
Muslims need to learn that there is no god like Americans are learning.
If that's what Americans are learning, then explain the sudden advent of the Tea Party to the rest of the world. A bunch of religious-based conservatives looking to implement their bible-inspired morality on the rest of the country.
What a coincidence! The hate that Muslims feel towards Americans is mutual. Right back at ya' Akbar.
Fork islam!!!!!!!!!
Unfortunately, Islam is the religion of those who are inferiority complexed and self loathing. Especially those who convert to it as opposed to being born into it. The religious assertions of Islam are really disguised expressions of rage against those to whom Muslims feel inferior.
Pack em up send em all back to where they came from and then put a round every square inch in their homeland and then nuke em, gather up the chemical weapons left over in the various countries around the world and spread it all over em then torch em with napalm.
Muslims can kiss my as*
I don't care what muslims think about me or my country don't they get that. Just get on with your life.
I say we nuke the Muslim world and start over. A few nukes would actually improve the place. Its about the only thing that will work. While we are at it we should probably do Africa since there isn't much difference.
Musims, Arabs and other peoples are mad at America for it's blind support of israel and the bullying tactics, oil dominance, and occupation. It's really not America they hate though it's our support of zionism.
Blah, blah, blah................ Who really cares!
I'm against all organized religions. The #1 cause of wars in our history.
who cares? if they dont like us don't pay attention.
I think it imperative that guests in another country must respect all aspects of the host. Should one want to become an immigrant, that respect should continue without demands that the host cater to the relocating new citizen. Assimilation is our history. The idea of coming into another country, joining its culture and then making demands that the host accommodate the immigrant are absurd. If you don't like what your discover, move on. Don't try to change the host. If you do, it will no longer be what you found that made you want to immigrate. Get it?!
Mary is a sad person .............. I feel sorry for her warped thinking!!
Eff Muslims and their cry-baby ways. They don't agree with someone so they simply kill them? No sympathy here and they can simply stay out of the country.
Americans don't need to understand your culture. You need to understand our culture.
Texas is in an inferno right now, over 500 homes destroyed, Texans' lives have literally been turned upside down and "Why Muslims are Still Mad at America" is the top story on your webpage. Unbelievable! This is exactly why you have lost viewers to Fox News Channel! It's not rocket science CNN!
I'm so sick of this nonsense. Of course we're trying to undermine Islam! Islam breeds terrorism worldwide. And everything they preach is the exact opposite of what Americans founded their country on – the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Look at every predominantly muslim country on this planet. They're full of death, tyranny and the pursuit of sheer misery! They can't play most music, can't dance, cant shave their beards and the women can't even show their faces in public. What Liberty or pursuit of happiness is there at all? Yes, we want to undermine Islam and for good reason. As for the authors mention of "liberal values", I have to ask what, exactly, are those? I've never heard of such a thing in all my life. This guy's full of bull.
Love it or leave it.
Muslims suck, who care what they think. They all smell like curry and tobacco.
"Muslims want to preserve the Islamic foundations of their society and want their public life to be infused with Islamic principles. Most want Sharia to play a greater role. They want a quality of piety to pervade their culture. "
Funny, but that sounds just like the right wing evangelicals wishes for America.
Who cares why they are mad at America. What the muslims need to be concerned about is why Americans are mad at them. This isn't a game and it's not a popularity contest. This is a battle for survival and it is one we have no intention of losing. These morons will learn to behave themselves or they will be dealt with on terms of our choosing.
We believe they mean us harm and we couldn't care less why. We don't care what they think. We only care about what they do. This isn't an exercise in psychology. They can write all their concerns and imaginary grievances down on a stiff 3×5 card, fold it into a point and ram it where the sun don't shine. We couldn't care less. Here's the only thing that they need to know, if you f*@k with the bull, you get the horns. End of story.