Editor's Note: Soner Cagaptay is a Senior Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and is the co-author, with Scott Carpenter, ofRegenerating the U.S.-Turkey Partnership.
By Soner Cagaptay - Special to CNN
The Arab Spring and recent dramatic deterioration of Turkish-Israeli ties present Israel with a uniquely threatening security environment. Since 1949, Israel has always had the comfort of having Turkey, one of the two major Levantine powers, as its friend. This is no longer the case. In fact, conflict seems to be looming between Turkey and Israel.
In the aftermath of the 2010 Flotilla Incident, Ankara attempted to intimidate Israel by saying its warships would escort missions to Gaza. Now Turkey and Israel are at dangerously opposing ends of Levantine politics. Not only is Ankara no longer a trusted friend of Israel, but it has also begun to emerge as the key regional actor opposing Israel.
When Turkey became the first Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel in 1949, Israel took comfort in the fact that it had the backing of one of the Middle East's most influential players. The strength of the Turkish military allowed it to become and remain a friend of Israel despite Islamist opposition to it.
Following the Camp David Treaty in 1978, Israel established a cold peace with Egypt, bringing the second major Levantine power closer to its side. Whereas in the 1960s Nasser’s Egypt represented the center of opposition to Israel in the region, Cairo ceased to pose a threat to Israel in the wake of Camp David. This security environment is all but gone.
For starters, Turkey has become like the old Egypt under Nasser - positioning itself as the regional center of opposition to Israel. Meanwhile, Egypt is becoming like the old Turkey. The outcome of the forthcoming Egyptian elections is far from certain. Yet it is very likely that the Muslim Brotherhood will emerge as a power to be reckoned with in the Egyptian polls this fall. Even if the Egyptian military stands for maintaining ties with Israel, the Muslim Brotherhood will push for limiting those ties. Accordingly, Egyptian-Israeli ties will continue to become more cold and tenuous with each passing day.
For the first time, the two major states of the Eastern Mediterranean are aligning against Israel. This is the most important shift in Levantine politics since Camp David or even since 1949 when Turkey recognized Israel. This new balance is a serious threat for Israel, which must now consider an increasingly hostile Turkey and an ever colder and unfriendly Egypt when it evaluates its security environment.
Yet, the new balance carries risks for Turkey, too. Ankara’s September 8th announcement that its warships will escort new flotillas to Gaza bears the potential of armed conflict between Turkey and Israel. What if the Israelis decide to stop the next Turkish navy-escorted flotilla as they stopped the Turkish-backed flotilla in 2010? Will the Turkish navy ships choose to react? As chilling as this scenario sounds, it is not unlikely. If the two countries fail to slow the escalating situation, they could well find themselves in conflict.
The specter of conflict also hangs over gas exploration in the Eastern Mediterranean. Turkey objects to Israel’s desire to drill in its exclusive economic zone in the Mediterranean Sea largely because it hopes to block the Greek Cypriots from having the precedent of an exclusive economic zone in which they could drill for gas to the detriment of the Turkish Cypriots. The latest escalation between Turkey and Israel might just pour oil on the political flames of gas exploration in the Mediterranean Sea.
Perhaps Ankara is only bluffing to bring Israel to its knees, and perhaps the Israelis would rather let Turkish navy-escorted flotillas sail to Gaza than risk regional war. But one thing is clear: The Arab Spring and the Turkish-Israeli Winter are churning up the Mediterranean.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of Soner Cagaptay.
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I only wish that Israel and other countries would try to pressure Turkey into granting the Kurds the independence they deserve. After all, the Israelis already have their homeland whereas the Kurds still do not and haven't for over 2000 years since the Sarmatians drove them from what is now Ukraine.
As is the problem with Israel and Palestine, you can't just magically give an ethnic group a piece of land and live happily ever after. Someone stands to lose, although at least in that case secession would probably not create millions of refugees living in limbo.
God gave the land of Israel to the Jews over 4,000 years ago. Its recorded in the book of Genesis,, God did not give any part of that land to the Palestinians. This feud has been going on for over 4,000 years. I encourage you to read Hal Lindsey's book Everlasting Hatred, It is an eye opener, It talks about the Islam religion, and how they want to control the world with there religion, and they will die for it. They are a very deceiving people. The Muslims hate the jews and the christians with a passion. Islamic religion is a false religion and its a demonic religion. There is no God name Allah, The Prophet Mohammed was demon possessed. as most of the islamic people are,
Looks like Big Spender has a very objective view on the conflict (note my sarcasm)
BigSpender = Cal Thomas. Brainwashed Moron.
Palestinians have lived there since the neolithic moron.
Read a book that was written by a dumb religious scholar.
@onesmallvoice, do you know how many Kurd there are in the region? Approx. 30 millions spread all over Iran, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Lebanon etc etc.
Turkey has definitely adopted a different stance towards the Israel-Palestine conflict ever since the Islamic AKP took over a few years ago, which also undermined the authority of the military, defender of Attatürk's secularism. The flotilla-incident last year soured its relationship with Israel, a former strong ally. After the fall of Mubarak, Israel feels now a cold wind blowing in Egypt. No doubt it has all reasons to worry about its future in the region!
WOW Jesus Is Coming Back Very Soon! People Get Ready!!
Yes he is Jim, its only a matter of time, I think the Gog and Magog war is going to happen soon. all the countries in the middle east that are spoken in Ezekiel 38 and 39 are aligned and Turkey is one of them.
YES! Our Lord Jesus Christ is nearer than what people think. The Day of the Lord is coming very soon. Yet people are going about their lives as if He will not return or doesn't exist. THUS ARE THE DAYS OF NOAH! Just like it says in the Bible. God's Word is TRUTH.
False messiahs don't come back.
If the Kurds were given a piece of Turkey this would not present an existencial threat to the Turkish State. And how about theTurks helping the palestinians to get their land back , you see... you help my enemy, I help yours and the loser: Israel because it is a small State and will not be able to deter Arab Aggression. Israelis deserves to live in peace. and so does Palestinians.
It is easy to speak for Kurds when you don't live in Turkey. Independence for Kurds will never be granted. Millions of Turkish people died to protect those lands from foreign countries. They also protected the lands where Kurds live as well.
They can have the rights like all the minorities from a normal country. Turkish people are not the ones that refuse peace with them, they are. It comes easy to defend the Kurds when you don't know that they kill pregnant women and children. Innocent civilian lives are lost everyday in Turkey because of they terrorist acts. These are their means of persuading the public in Turkey.
Most of them receive money and weapons from countries or organizations that want to harm Turkey. This is a fact and not paranoia.
Runia,
When you speak of Kurds, you speak as if the PKK (terrorist group) represents all of the Kurdish population living in the region. This is a false assumption, infact most of the Kurds does support the Turkish government and dislike the PKK and would like to be granted rights such as Kurdish as a second language in schools to be the most. But when Turkish army sends out orders to burn down villages, which my family is a living proof of, I wouldnt expect any Kurd to kiss the Turkish flag and sing the national anthem. First, the facism has to end in Turkey or brought to a minimal level.. then Kurds must be represented rights.. then, I GUARANTEE you there will be no such thing as PKK.. Turkey will be united at last and I reckon that it will be the biggest power in the middle east.. I am waiting for this day to come.. are you?
If they were driven out of ukraine then ukrain should give them their land back huh.When do we start giving back native americans their land,what do we do in year 2050 when mexicans are majority.Are we ready to give them California,Arizona,Texas,New Mexico.Where do we draw the line.
Well, well, well... look how the tide has turned in the past 6 months! Everything played to strenghten Turkey's hand. Turkey can NOT help but be the biggest player in the region. All of Turkey's regional adversaries have been weakened (Syria, Greece, Iran, Iraq, Armenia...) while it's allies richer and more powerful (Azarbaijan). Israel on the other hand is ever more concerned about it's existence due to Iranian threat and is forced to face two options 1. direct confrontation/war with Iran which will cause irreperable damage to Israel's economy even is Israel ends up being the victorios side and years/decades of economic/military uncertainity 2. Accept nuclear Iran and live in even more of a paranoid state where entire middle-east is heavily arming due to arms-race in the region(I don't need to remind you that this is not the most Israel-loving region in the world:). And believe me US, EU, Russia will be very happy to sell weapons in these challenging economic times.
Like it or not, Turkey can not help but to become the leading power in the region. Economically and soon militarily. The entire middle-east is going through democratization process rapidly(Arab-spring) and I can see it benefiting Turkey not Israel in the coming years. It will not benefit either country to go to war but time is on the side of Turks. Read George Friedman's predcitions about Turkey in his recent book "The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century"...
What about Turkey's exterminationof its Christian minorities. The crime surpasses the Holocaust of WW2 but yet the world treats Turkey as a legitimate state.
Unfortunately David, the right-wing thugs in London, Paris and Washington couldn't care less about what the horrific Turks did to any of their minorities. These people are totally unprincipled and amoral to the very core!!!
LoL.. wondering if some of the people here are for real or have they on something? This is a joke.. . people learn history and stop blabing about minorities who by the way have the right to be elected and freedom to do as they please as much as all the other citizens in Turkey. What ethnic cleansing are you guys gals blabbing on about? If Turks had done such a thing there wouldn't be a single Greek Cypriot, Armenian, Kurd,... whatever to even talk about it today....
@idkak,
Of course the Turks cleansed them – Christians are now less than one-eight of one percent of Turkey's population. So there really aren't any Christians left to talk about it today. Turkey's overwhelmingly monolithic religious composition today is the strongest proof of its treatment of minorities. So please don't try to toot your own horn – you've no horn to toot. Turkey has cunningly nationalized all the main historic churches to declare them "historic sites" off-limits to worshippers. What kind of religious tolerance is that? It isn't. Nobody believes your pretentious claims of "tolerance" – there isn't a single example of a Muslim country which treats its minorities as well as Western countries do.
People that have no knowledge of history say Turkish people imposed their religion on the countries they occupied during the Ottoman Empire.
They never forced them, if they wanted to change their religion it was their choice. The Ottoman Empire was huge, it spread over 3 continents, but how many of those countries are Muslim?
Lets be serious Romania is not Muslim, Bulgaria is not Muslim....and are many other countries in the same situation.
Turks respected their religion and did not interfere. Do you know why? Because the Cristian Religion is accepted in Islam, also its prophets, books and angels. And guess what it is the same God. To know this you would need to expand your religious culture. Read a bit!
I love this blog and I think that this is a serious issue and I hope that it is resolved
How about the Vietnam war? I wish someone would compensate them for all those deaths. How about the slavery? How about the American Indians? You are sittting on their land enjoying being fat and ignorant. If you are making a statement about Kurds and how Turkey should give them a piece of land, well, stop for a second and think about it.
Can you show where Turkey is on the map? It seems like your fortune cookie knowledge about world history and politics makes you and people like you a mutant.
Vietnam war? Why pull US into a Turkey-Israel dispute? The issue here is– does Turkey have the moral authority to raise the Palestinian issue when the Kurds in Turkey are suffering and being killed for even longer (since the Ottoman days) and when Turkey has butchered 1 million+ Armenians in the not too distant past and still refuses to acknowledge it? According to your logic, if a concerned Mongolian were to comment on this blog, you might as well raise the massacre of civilians by Genghis Khan in the 1200s?
You have no clue....Kurds have exactly the very same right of any Turkish citizens...I know because, I am a half Kurd...I have never felt in anyway that I was discriminated against in Turkey...It is in Western powers interest to brake up Turkey...No wonder Turks have been paranoid about this plan for decades...
As fars as Armenians, We do not deny Armenians and in fact many of them were killed...But, just as many Turks as well..It wasn't planned genocide and reaction to what Armenians gangs did to Kurdish villagers...It was a brutal civil war...There is no excuse for for this events of course...It dark chapter in history now...
Thank goodness the living God is in control. He will destroy all lands coming against His people. It will be bad for everyone but we must keep trusting Him and look up.
Well if Turkey says that the Kurds may not have a state then what is this thing called the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus that only Turkey recognizes?
Blaming the Western countries for Turkey's problems with its Kurdish citizens (as some seem wont to do) is strange and irrational also.
Note: My previous comment should not be construed as encouraging conflict in any way. Merely pointing out that people should be more open to considering other points of view and sometimes compromise for the good of the world's population.
Thanks for showing your ignorance and ugly face.
The history shows that Turks are conquistadors,they are the folks who has to say the least, if not to stay in silence...
Mutants: You are simply following the crowd,whatever they direct you, without having the intelligence and self-consciousness what is going around the world. You are absolutely blind in your pride...You are the best Mutant.
BTW,So good that there are also so many self-aware, educated, respectful and great Turks around the globe...
The views of Cagaptay's neocon zionist employers permeate this article. Turkey didn't send the flotilla, it was the initiative of a NGO and Turkey has every right to be angry about its citizens being attacked and murdered in international waters by israeli pirates. With Mubarak gone and Turkey turning from friend to enemy, Israel is in deep deep trouble, but continues to thumb its chin at the world with the knowledge that America and western governments are subservient to its lobbies such as AIPAC
You can always tell a Jew hater, and a hater of democracy. Blaming Jews for American politics. Your own leaders keep you in ignorance and poverty. TM
Zionist = Racist
I don't hate jews, but I sure hate zionists, you see it was Israeli zionists behind 911
I only wish Obama showed a shred of concern over the fact that the IDF killed an American citizen during their raid. But NOPE. Israel gets to do whatever they damn well please and if this situation does escalate because of their actions, you better believe America will be drawn in and our sons and daughters killed.
I only wish the world would stop holding Israel to a different standard when it comes to defending itself.
Turkey's citizens were not attacked and murdered in international waters by Israeli pirates. They were killed while trying to run a military blockade when they attacked Israelis who were inspecting their ship, as Israel has every right to do under the Oslo accords.
Zazos what you anti-israelis always forget to mention about the Mavi Maramara incident is that those Israeli soldiers where attacked while trying to initiate a boarding ... citizens of any country shouldn't be abducting soldiers of a foreign country trying to initiate a boarding. Who the hell attacks a well armed force initiating a boarding and expects to not be treated in kind? They knew very well that the worst that could happen was arrest and deportation, instead they escalated an already doomed situation for nothing! ... The abduction and beating of Israeli soldiers is inexcusable ... especially for a self stylized "peace flotilla". Think from both sides for once.
The whole mid east hates each other who cares although the U.S. would be involved because Iran would get involved. It'd be a mess.
Same old anti semitic rant. The Jews run America. AIPAC runs the white house. The Moon landing was done in a studio and the Goverment circles your home in blacked out helicoptors. Take your paranoia medicine and get some sleep.
Anyone who argues that Jews run America is crazy. However, it's not hugely controversial to believe that American foreign policy in the Middle East is heavily influenced by AIPAC and similar organizations. It's not just a standard antisemitic rant; if Israel didn't have the political power it did in the United States, Obama wouldn't get shouted at for moderate statements on his views about Israel (by Netanyahu, but also Congress), Congress wouldn't have granted Netanyahu a joint session in Congress to do nothing but rant, the US would do more than veto any UN security Council bills on Israel, and the US would have long ago forced Israel to stop being so counterproductive to US foreign policy in the Middle East. Our policy in the region with relation to Israel has been so counter to the pragmatic realist view we've held with every other country there.
It is pretty... well, stupid to suggest that if the US foreign policy does not follow YOUR scenario it means that it is ruled by the Jews. The US government and Congress are doing what is good for America. Not necessarily what is good for Israel and definitely NOT what is good for Hamas. Try to realize this simple truth.
What simple truth? Tell me how our policy towards Israel is in US strategic interest. It directs Arab hatred towards the US, making us a target for terrorism, and hardens Israeli positions to any foreign policy issue, isolating the country from the world. The thing is, nothing but heavy lobbying efforts and political influence can explain our unwaveringly nonsensical policy towards Israel. I'm not saying the US would have turned its back on Israel; I'm saying that you'd see more (any) criticism of Israel's actions by leaders, as is the case when our other allies have done something we disagree with.
I guess I still don't understand what your criticisms are.
Your not kidding! 20% of Congress just got back from a trip to Israel, all expenses paid by AIPAC. Our bought and paid for politicians giving allegiance to another country.
they do control the US at least for now.
Kar: What is our policy toward Israel? We support the only democratic country in the Middle East, that happens to be nearly surrounded by enemies that want to destroy her. Noting nonsensical about that.
You want something to take to the UN, you will get it and it is legal too.
The Temple Turk.
Unfortunately, the article failed to avoid a usual pro-israeli prejudice.
Indeed, Israel failed the friendship test and can no longer be considered a reliable partner of Turkey. I would like to add that Turkey had long tolerated criminal acts by the Israel's ultra-zionist groups. Those include Israel's criminal acts in Palestine as well as dangerous overtures with Kurdish terrorists, Greek nationalists and now Armenian extremists.
I would like to seek more coverage of US and EU reaction to the deteriorating political situation in Israel and whether they will call for its ultra-zinoist government to step down. They have done so successfully in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. The should do you the same in Israel. Just like in other Middle Eastern countries, the winners will include the local population as well as international community.
The biggest question is how long will it take for common sense to prevail in the White House, Congress, Senate and EU capitals?
We told Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya, "You need a government that represents the will of the people." So, what do we tell Israel? "You need a government that represents the will of the people. Oh, sorry. You already have that government. Our mistake."
anche gli utlimi shncerseot sembrano confermare le impressioni fin qui maturate: eccellente realizzazione dei nemici (sia per design che per modellazione), ottimi anche gli effetti particellari, gli shader e l'illuminazione in generale mentre le ambientazione sembrano scarsamente ispirate artisticamente e, tuttosommato, molto povere per poligoni e texture (ma sembra non ci sia ombra di aliasing).se manterranno la fludit all'altezza di quanto visto nei video, credo che visivamente dovrebbe rendere pi di quando non avvenga con immagini statiche. attendo con molto ottimismo questo gioco, l'apetto grafico mi interessa fino ad un certo punto (purch la machina sia sfruttata a dovere, come sembra avvenga in questo caso) mentre mi aspetto una elevata giocabilit . rimane solo un rimpianto: se high voltage, che comunque una casa minore e con ridotte capacit d'investimento, riuscita ad ottenre questi risultati, ci avessero provato capcom o ea, minchia, che gioco usciva fuori!
Israel has benefited from friendship of Turkey and Egypt for long long time and what it has given in return,miserable lives to Palestinians and gift of 9 dead bodies to turkey,just imagine if US stops its support to isreal do you think (this group of cynical thinking idiots) isreal will survive,You already know the answer, only need some courage to accept it.
The Turkish leadership needs to be put back in place. They think they are some sort of an emprie, but act like a bully and like a histericl woman. Who are they to judge when Turkey slaughters thousands of Kurds every year?
The Gaya strip is a terrorist place that fires missiles on almost daily basis on Israeli civilians. Does Turkish leadership wants to be percieved as supporting terrorism? do they realy want to enter a military conflict with the best air force in the middle east? they better start cooling down and realize their true position as a third world country that better focus on upgrading its citizens lifes instead of pushing its nose where it does not belong
Israel is the far greater bully that is stealing more and more Palestinian lands. They also have their own terrorist group known as settlers. Google "Israeli settlers" to learn more about these violent thugs.
Well, both Israelis and Turks are brutal people. Israleis are stronger but Turks are not donkey riding Arabs. They can be more brutal than Israelis. May god help peace loving people like us!
Hope Hitler come's back and finishes what he started.
erdogan wants to humiliate and punish israel for not bowing to his wishes,to issue apology,to open gaza to terrorist and lastly to pay conpensation..what else do you want erdogan?you under estimated israel by showing you can put israel to there knees and to show to all muslim countries around the world that you can dictate anything you want to inpose to israel and that is precisely for your personal gain only ..in the frst place,flotilla incident will not happen if your crazy goverment and you!will not allow it to sail if you have mutual respect to your ally..why single out israel when you're humiliated seriously by assads syria for your macho rhetoric???you looked liked you are just bluffing??jmachoman!ejejeje
Turkey now claims they will send warships with the next flotilla. I think Israel made a big mistake in not apologizing.
I think Israel made a big mistake in helping Turkey to capture Kurdish separatist leader Abdullah Ocalan. By doing so, they handed Turkey all the cards, and ensured that Turkey would turn its back on Israel.
How come Turkey hasn't yet sent any flotilla over to Syria, which is bombarding populated cities using tanks? What's the matter – does Turkey have a selective flotilla policy? You know it does.
Yes, you are right. Turks will send their warships and remove Israel from the map, just like all Mid-Easterns are willing to do. Especially post Arab Spring, Israel has no friends in Mid-East and US is sick and tired of Israel's bold and brat acts.
Why should Israel apologize for something it had every right to do?
Israel's government has been taken over by religious fanatics that more than match the ayatollahs. We have Former Chief Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, leader of the Shas Party in the government, claiming that goyim (non-Jews) were created, like donkeys, to serve the Jews. The government was silent on his views of a Jewish "master race". We have the popular book "Torat Hamelech" written by two Rabbis and supported by many more which is a religious justification for Jews to kill goyim and even their babies pre-emptively because non-Jews are born "uncompassionate". Other Rabbis call for the anihilation of all Arabs, using Palestinian children as "human shields", and the settlers teach their children that goyim are sub-human, etc., etc. Although Israel complains about Palestinian "incitement" it says little about the incitement of its alleged holy men who are government employees. At least the British government, two weeks ago, banned the entry into the UK of one of the authors of "Torat Hamelech" for the hate speech in the book. It seems that in Israel the "chosen people" mantra has morphed into something else. The settlers who control the government exemplfy this. Unprovoked attacks on Palestinians and their property are steadily increasing and the government does nothing about it. Google or use Youtube and put in Israeli settlers to get a clear view of violent religious fanatics. Unless Israel reins in its religious fanatics, I fear it is doomed. It also appears that among the religious anti-Goyimism is increasing.
Most likely it will.
Use some Grecian Formula on your mustache too. Idiot.
Finally, an insightful comment!
the turks since they came from deep asia they where always agrresive and occupied lands that belong to other races for thousands of years!! after defeating byzantine they had in mind how to control the west and east and push islam to the heart of christian europe and then stoped in vienna almost bringing europe back to dark ages!! look what happened to balcan countries! look at the genocites they done to armenians,curds,christian minorities..ctr now they have a good economic growth they want their old otoman empire reborn and control east mediterranean sea!! no bullies will be accepted from neigbour (democratic) countries ! and dont believe their issue is the incident with the flotilla..their mind is on the gas and oil behind their borders!!!
Ottomans treated all minorities equally. There is no single mosque in Athens. There are a number of churches in Istanbul. What ethnic cleansing are we talking about?
Wrong! There wasnt a mosque in Athens because there werent many Muslins in Greece. Due to the massive increase in the number of Muslin immigrants (mostly illegal) during the last 20 years, the Greek Parliament decided last month to construct a very big mosque in Votanikos-Athens.The works have started on the cost of Greece despite the black economic period it passes (while schools close). The Greek Orthodox Church always supported the freedom to choose and practice any religion. Plus thousands of illegal immigrants are fed daily by Church's syssitia.
Dont try to fool readers here. Everybody knows Turks have destroyed and burnt thousands Churches. They even destroyed paintings etc in Hagia Sofia in Istanbul and turned it into a Mosque and have a bazaar outside. And burnt completely another 2 similar size churches nearby. Worst world crimes were made by Turks and Nazi..
History has shown how reliable Turkey is as a Western and an Israeli ally. A cursory reading of Frank Weber's "The Evasive Neutral"
(http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/32467/christoph-m-kimmich/the-evasive-neutral-germany-britain-and-the-quest-for-a-turkish-)
will demonstrate how prophetic Weber was (go back in time to the late 80s, 90s, Gulf War I and II, and now this and examine the REAL facts and you will see how successive regimes in Ankara have played America as fools and made promises to Israel while feeding, covertly, Israel's enemies). Israel's mistake is in trusting the regimes too much. Now it is paying for its folly. Same goes for the US. HUNDREDS of billions have been poured into Ankara, and for what? As one Department of Defense official put it, right after Turkey refused the coalition to use Iskenderun and Incirlik for a northern entry point in Iraq in 2003: "Extortion in the name of alliance" (NY Times, Feb. 20, 2003, at A1; col.6).
Hopefully, this is Isreal's wake up call. The regimes in Ankara change. The Ottoman mentality will not.
People need to ask themselves why was the Mavi Marmara incident the only one that ended with casualties. There were other ships in that flotilla and none of them were harmed. Further more, there were other flotillas before and after the one with the Mavi Marmara bound for Gaza and all of them were intercepted quietly and peacfully. The reason was that the Mavi Marmara was loaded with IHH members, an extreme muslim group, practicly a terrorist organization that could care less about the palestinians. All they wanted to do is provoke the israelis and clash with their armed forces. Erdogan wants to use this incident to humiliate Israel and score points with the muslim extremists who he sides with. He wants to turn Turkey from a secular progressive country into muslim ruled dictatorship. He is a dangerous man not only to Israel but to all democracies.
Israel made the mistake of attacking the Mavi Marmara at night and sending commandos down on ropes it also has been noted that rifle fire was going on as they came down. The passengers had a right to defend themselves. It is also is clear that from the autopsies of the bodies that some passenger were summarily executed. The other flotilla ships were not boarded this way due to the public outcry over the murders.
I agree that this incident should have been delt diffrently. The Israelis played into the IHH hands. Nevertheless the first soldiers boarded the ship with paintguns. If the passengers were real peace activists none of this would have happened
At night and if the paint balls are red it could be quite disorienting.
thats right gillrocks! after a visit to turkey i saw not a modest islam but a iran type of islam building up every day! they believe that their country will be leading the east like a new otoman empire!
Go to Israel and you will find the same religious fanatics but with better weaponry..
makedonija forever da zivee makedonija
Also very intresting is the support of the zionists now for the pkk. An organisation marked as a terrorist organisation by by the US, EU and Russia.
However it were the same zionists who deliverd weapons and material to Turkey for their fight against the pkk. Also there were Kurds on the Mavi Marmara and they share the same religion as their brothers in Palestine. Salahadin who conquered Jerusalem was a Kurd...
The author should not presume that Israel will be intimidated into letting Turks break the naval blockade on the murderous jihadist regime in Gaza. If Turks try something stupid, there will be blood.
And this time some of it will Israeli blood.
If Turkey deciders to send warships they will either be forced into a port of Israel's choosing or they will be sunk. Attempting to break a blockade is an ACT OF WAR. Turkey would loose it's NATO membership, suffer being censored by the EUC, England and the US. The only question is will Erdogan be willing to go that far?
The turkish leaders are looking to play the role of the new islamic ruler & what better way then attack the jews. I hope that the israelis f them up. For starters they should open up a kurdistan liberation office & promote an independent kurdistan. I also noticed that its ok for the turks to butcher people like the kurds & armeians, and let fellow muslims butcher their own, thats ok by turkish standards.
Every once in a while the turks show their true face. Some of them like Erdogan still believe that they were put on this earth to wage war on the infidels e.g jews, christians etc. I don't see any diffrence between them and Al qaeda, perhaps they take diffrent kind of actions but at the end of the day they share a common goal.
And Israel's religious fanatics think they are a jewish "master race" and all others are sub-human and act accordingly.
Northwoods: Can you name even one incident in which the Israelis acted as if other races were sub-human? I think not!
well said Bob...silence is golden sometimes.
Death to Israel you morons!!!!!IISREAL IS THE REAL ENEMY AND ALAWYS HAS BEN.THEIR TIME IS UP!!!!!!!
When the war happens lets see who is going to f who up !!!!, There is TURKISH people all over the world,
Israel has just reaping what is has sown during the long decades of occupation and aggression. It's all it's leaders – and the voters who have supported them in elections – and their foreign faciliators' fault. It could have ended the occupations long ago with a favourable peace agreement, normalized it's relationships with it's neighbours and make the swords into plows. But it choose otherwise and now has to live with that. Like they say here, no tree grows as high as heaven and Israel's tree has just stopped growing. Not that it or it's vassals in the "West" will accept that for some time to come.
The Palestinians have never been willing to make a peace agreement with Israel that is even remotely favorable to Israel. Example: at Camp David, Israel offered about 90% of what the Palestinians wanted, but Arafat said "No."
What utter garbage. The only constant in this has been Palestinian and Gazan obstructionism. Israel left Gaza, even forcing Israeli citizens to leave. Gaza elected Hamas and started sending rockets into Israel. Showing land for peace doesn't always work. Land for peace is the only reason for Israel to give the Palestinians or Gazans any land. It takes two to make peace just as it takes two to fight.
I would feel sorry for Turkey if they think they can beat Israel.
They don't compare. As long as US don't take side, which it wouldn't due to fact that Turkys is NATO, Israel would be wiped out of map in a snap. Not only that, all mid-east nations would go after Israel. Israle shoudl stop acting brat. Somebody had to tell him "behave kid" and seems that it is Turks.
click on "like" if islam is a religion of peace....
Israel has some of the most advanced weaponry on the planet, and Turkey depended on Israeli technology for it's military which does not want war with Israel! Erdogan is a fool. Watch what happens to his popularity when Israel sinks one of their ships!
Two weeks ago I created an organization to stop the violence there. Unlike any other plan and it would reduce the tension and hostilities between Israel and its neighbors. http://www.mundusnovussolutions.org.
However, no, I do not think Turkey and Israel will go to war directly. However I do see them "poking" at each other throughout the region.
Let there be peace in the world.
if your friend killed your dog accidently but didnt appologise how would you take it?
what do you mean? If my friend accidentally killed my dog while my dog was trying to bite his ass I'd be really embarrassed.
Moron, It was not by accident. These "terrorists" on the Marmara had weapons ready to kill israeli soldiers. The Soldiers defended themselves. If we really wanted to kill them we would just have launched a missile and that would be it.
She's gonna blow. This is all in the Master Plan. Skeptics, no problem, keep trusting your intellect.
Go ahead sail the entire Turkish navy to Gaza, will make a great man-made reef... seriously, the Turkish navy wouldn't stand a chance against the IAF....Maybe when Turkey has apologized for killing thousands of Armenians, made peace with the Kurds, and settled their dispute with the Greeks over Cyprus, then they can moralize to the Israelis. I think the Turks are still hurt over being denied access to the EU, so their sucking up to the Arabs.
Nicely said!
Israelis are cowards. Their stock in trade is assassination, false-flag operations ie 911, slaughtering defenseless Palestinians and yelling anti antisemitism.
As we saw in their last invasion of Lebanon, once they encountered determined and trained fighters they ran like the cowards they are.
Israel will kiss Turkey's butt before ever going to war with them.
Looks like all my comments are being censored by CNN.
Anyways, this is exactly the scenario envisoned by our Mr. Fareed Zakaria.
Wait until Mr. Zakaria comes out with YET another scoop on how Europe & America pushed peace loving innocent Turkey into the waiting arms of the Islamists by supporting Israel and also not admitting them into the EU ( to facilitate greater Islamization of Europe & eventually America).
For example Mr. Zakaria has already covertly suggested to the Egyptians to abrogate its peace treaty with Israel by shamelessly calling it an agreement between two regimes and NOT two peoples, and urging them to join league with Turkey to pressure Israel.
The israeli's will stay in their own part of the med, if the Turks want a fight, they will have to go to them, like trying to break the Gaza bloackade, it is then and only then that the IAF will strike, sending all those wasted US tax dollars to the bottom of the sea.
deadcolonywalking, seriously, you blame the Israeli's for 911? LOL! you're delusional, you seem to forget that Bin laden admitted they did it. Was he a Mossad agent?
Yes, I do blame Israel for 9/11. If the US had not supported Israel, while claiming neutrality it would have never happened. Israel and its neo-cons have lead us around by our noses. Look at the group that got us into Iraq at Israel's bidding ie Wolfiwitz, Perle, Kristol, Abrams, Madoff and tell me what they all have in common. We claimed to be an independent party to achieve peace in that area and we have never done it. 9/11 would not have occured if the US was neutral and criticized Israel's atrocities.
Hey Turkey act on your promises or they are just empty threats. WW3 is inevitable and will start in the Mid East with Israel.
If this happens this will be one bloody navy battle and the U.S. will get involved.
I disagree, I don't think the US will get involved, The Israeli's can handle this all on their own. Egypt on the otherhand might try to help the Turks, by providing air cover... either way a lot of western provided military hardware will end up in the bottom of the med.
"Turkey objects to Israel’s desire to drill in its exclusive economic zone in the Mediterranean Sea largely because it hopes to block the Greek Cypriots from having the precedent of an exclusive economic zone in which they could drill for gas to the detriment of the Turkish Cypriots. "
You conveniently refer to Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots and fail to mention that Cyprus is an independent country, member state of the EU, and member of the United Nations and that it has signed all the international treaties conceding the demarkation of Exclusive Economic Zones unlike Turkey who refuses to sign it (really why?). And you conveniently avoided any mention tο the fact that Turkey has invaded Cyprus and is illegally occupying 40% of its territory, against numerous UN and security council resolutions. The hypocrisy of Turkey has no bounds, but also does not fool anyone except those who willingly turn a blind eye because of their own interests.
Turkey is just toying with Israel. First of all the IAF would tear the Turk's navy appart in a few hrs. Also since Israel, Greece (huge navy) and Cyprus have a military treaty between them I think they would help in case of a war. It would be in their own interest to stop Turkey from trying to seize oil and gas drillings in the Mediterranean sea since they have percentage that could really help Greece and Cyprus recover from their Economic chaos...Plus the Greeks simply hate the Turks. Who really likes them anyways. Even the EU closed the door to their face.
The biggest detriment to the future of Turkish Cypriots is the fact that they are being held hostage in their own land to Turkey's strategic planning in the region. They will never have their free will and they are already a minority to the thousands of Anatolian settlers that Turkey implanted in the occupied part of Cyprus,
relax nothing will happen it's all tough talk like Iran or North Korea.
Geee... i am trully amazed by some of the comments . Turkey killing christian minorities??? does any one know where is the center of the Greek orthodox church and the patrick ? in Istanbul. Do you know in which muslim city there are 3 massive synagoges ? Istanbul. Has anyone visited the cemetary of the Anzac soldiers which died in Gallipoli war in WW1 with its own chapels in Turkey ? do you know the house of Santa Maria Is near Ephesus in Turkey. . Do you know that in 1492 the ottomans took all the Jews in the country which were expelled from Europe and Spain and there is still over 25000 thousands Sefardi Jews in Turkey and some of them are renown businessman.... So your story of blood thirsty genocide loving turks doesnt fly i am sorry.... The problem with todays Israeli politicians are that they are very new in to the game of politics and diplomacy and they have played it righ in the hand of Erdogan. It was just painful to watch it. Furthermore when it comes to IDF swatting TSK i think TSK is little tougher than any of the arab nations military forces IDF has encountered . In a country if your son dies in military service it seems as a great honor you have to beat them truly until the last person and there are 80 million turks. Any military expert will be able to tell you.
Furthermore there are some further issues ... If there is a war today can Israel handle the economic cost? i mean there were half a million people over the weekend protesting in Tel Aviv because of the economic problems... Can they endure further military spending?Turkey at this stage has a robust economy with 9% inter annual growth rate it has vast mining operations as well as manufacturing ability... Can US help Israel with its own economic troubles .. ? can he afford to open a 3 rd theatre of operations without risking of loosing its Nato ally with the second largest standing Army of the Nato? I am by no mean a supporter of Erdogan i think he has his own agenda and i have great respect for Israeli people and for theit perseverence but their Netanyahu and his cabinet are comletely out of thier depth this time acting like spoiled kids... Dont forget all of this started not because of the flotilla . ( by the ,the children in Gaza needs foods , medicine like any other kid in the world no matter what their fathers are doing. And i think a race who survived the ghettos in Warsaw should understand this better than any nation) The incident started with Lieberman calling the turkish ambassador to his office and complining about turkish tv series . The way h did that was against every diplomatic ethics. He called the ambassador and the press . During the meeting he make the ambassador sit in a really low chair while he was sitting on something like a throne. And before the translator arrived he showed the seating arrangement to all the ress members and explain them this was THE way to treats the Turks.... because if history i can never warm my self to arabs i am a turk who genuinly like the israelis but i cant realy stand the bigots who took over Israel .....
Good comment and so true. Israel's thug FM Lieberman got the whole thing started. The arrogance of the Israeli government knows no limits. Robert Gates came out and talked about how ungrateful the Israeli goverment and Netanyahu are for US support. One thing he referred to was when our VP Biden visited Israel the Israeli government announced more massive settlement building. Israel loves to embarrass its allies with its arrogance.
Israel sure likes overkill. The murders of the the flotilla passengers has lost them an ally and the murders of five Egyptian soldiers last week and riots at the embassy has caused the Ambassador to run home. How to win friends and influence people!
Many tons of food, medicine and other supplies go into Gaza every day. And there is a defined process if people want to send more. The flotilla was a deliberate attempt to provoke Israel and create an incident.
thats was the offical line for the ghettos in poland by nazi germany....
quick fact..people seems to be forgetting that if Turks send warships to Gaza and if IDF fires on them, NATO will have to declare war on Israel as part of the pact...this wont be an operation, it will be automatic declaration of war (as a member state is attacked in international territory whether there is a blockade or not)
The US won't allow Turk ships getting near Israel. They know what it would mean. Turks have a lot to lose with this senseless act.
If one goes back in history he will find all kinds of crimes against humanity all over the world for many centuries. But if we only keep looking back we can never make any forward progress. Lets leave what happened 100 years ago alone and look what is happening in the world today- Africa and the rest. Too little too late was done for millions of Bosnian and no significant help is given to black African dealing with AIDS, hunger and ethnic conflicts. I remember watching Shindler's list in movie theater full of people crying about something the cannot change and wondering why nobody was doing anything for what was going on in the middle of Europe right at that moment. The situation in Eastern Mediterranean is dangerous and hopefully will not result in military clashes between tow big military countries- Israel and Turkey. For the people who brought up the Kurdish issue, Turkey is made of many different ethnic groups just like US and Kurdish people is just one of them.. PKK killed over 30 thousand people including Kurds who refused to be involved in terrorist activity . Any terrorist organization in any country is dealt the same way. Peaceful Kurds have equal right with all the other ethnic groups in Turkey. Simple example- President Turgut Ozal. Turkey elected a Kurdish president 30 years before US- elected its first non-white president. Sharma- I can give you examples of worse mistreatment of casts in India. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones at others. Let's all support and work for peace. Gary, Turkey is the second largest military force in NATO. I do not know the numbers but they may have as many soldiers as the entire population of Israel. Do not think Israel can just walk over Turkey. Greg, Turkey is lucky not to be part of EU right now. If you hold a referendum, the majority of EU countries would vote to get out of EU. Interestingly Greece and Spain were countries who voted against Turkey being accepted to EU and their main reason was economic instability.
It seems that Erodgan claimed that the monstrous Omar Bashir was not guilty of genocide when it is absolutely clear that the fiend is a hideous abomination. Erdogan accused France of wanting to steal Libya's oil also. Erdogan is woefully undiplomatic and ignorant on many topics. That is one reason why people are becoming annoyed and vary concerned about Turkish foreign policy).
Omar Bashir committed genocide is South Sudan and Darfur.
OK FIRST OF ALL YOU NEVER THROWN STONES IN GLASS HOUSES.
TURKEY VIA ARMENIAN SLAUGHTER OF OVER 1 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS. THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT AKP SAYS IT OCCURRED DURING WW1. LIKE THIS JUSTIFIES YOU LESS THAN 100 YEARS LATER PREACHING TO JEWS WHO KNOW THE REAL HOLOCAUST UNDER THE NAZIS. DOES SULTAN ERDOGAN DENY THE HOLOCAUSTS OF THE WORLDS REALLY HAPPENED AT ALL!!!
PEACE TO ALL
JJ seriously mate ... are your parents siblings????
the bible calls turkey gomer and they along with other islam countries will try and invade israel and god will destroy them. the end is near.all he wants you to do is say you are a sinner. his son died for your sins.jesus is standing at your door let him in.he wants to love you. there is not very much time left get a bible and read john it says love 221 times. john3:16
Catalan don't be amazed. Yes When it suited her Turkey has killed minorIties and has engaged in ethnic cleansing. Because traditionally she has been considered a strategic ally here in the US the coverage of some of Turkey's "accomplishments" is soft. Don't tell me about the patriarch having his seat in Instanbul. The partiarach is under a constant threat and if he weren't too much of a global symbol too be a target he would be long gone. If you won't to see Turksih respect for other cultures you only have to go to the part of Cyprus that is currently occupied by Turkey against UN and security Council resolutions. After having expelled all Greekn Cypriots from that part ofbthe island and populated it heavily with poor settlers from analatolia, Turkey has systematically over the last 30 years eliminated all trace of Greek culture. 80% of the churches (some of unbelievable archeological value) have been looted, converted to stables, bars, etc. Stolen icons have been sold in the black market and there some famous court cases even here in the US where the Republic of Cyprus was able to claim back some of her stolen cultural treasures. Greek names of streets and villages have disappeared in the course of two decades.
John you really havent visited Turkey did you? or known any Turks? YOu have to understand the fact that there is no wahabism in the country . It is the same sin whether you curse Muhammed or Jesus or Moses since they are all prophets in the religion which has been send by god . Now i am an atheist and i dont beleive in religion. However let me give you a little bit of history lesson . in 1963 Dr. Nihat Ilhan his wife and their three kids were butchered ( yes butchered with knifes ) by the nationalist greeks called the Eoka. The three kids were no older than 8 years old and they were taken to the bathroom put in the bath tube and their throats were cut. The images were than send the Turkish newspapers. This has started the whole operation or invasion . The reason to protect the minority of the Turkish population in the island. If you want to talk about stolen historical artifacts you just go and visit any british american or French museum to see all the stolen artifacts . Sorry but the patriarch is there since 1452 . If the turks wanted to get rid of him they had plenty of time and opportunitty. By the way John are you sure you are not from Greece since your name is very anglosaxon however you really have a issue with Cyprus and Greece against Turkey. As i mentioned before i am Turkish who has been living in cataluña for a long time. And i respect the greek culture i even went there for my honeymoon . The only different thing between the Turks and Greeks are apart from the bloody religion is the way the two country cooks the Musakka.I relly suggest you go and visit Turkey see with your own eyes you will be pleasantly surprised.
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I like Turkey for Thanksgiving on May 5th.
That's exactly what Sarah Palin would say about this article
Why don't you get some education?
The Middle Eastern Countries are making a big mistake, if they think they can wipe Israel off the map, God said in his word that who ever curses Israel God will curse them. Israel will never be destroyed, Israel belongs to the Jews, Period. and that means all of Israel not just part of it, In Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 its called the Gog and Magog War. It talks about the middle East Countries and Russia going against Israel, and God is going to perform a miracle, and destroy Iran. Turkey, Russia, Libya and Syria, It will be so bad, that the whole world will know that God saved Israel
What a bunch of crap! The imaginary being in the sky is sure a blood thirsty one if his plan is destroy Iran, Russia, Turkey, Libya, and Syria. How many millions of men, women, and children does that include? What happened to thou shalt not kill? Is that just for humans and imaginary beings can do as they please?
You and I may not understand everything He does or allows. God's ways are higher than ours and His secrets are His secrets. But He is a loving God who wants us (including you) to turn to Him for He is our Creator and the One who gave us His Son Jesus Christ as the Savior and our Lord to come soon. Jesus is the only Way to the Heavenly Father. As far as those who dont accept Him.....read His Word in the Bible and see their destination. Be at the right hand of Jesus and not the left. It is my hope that even you can be my brother in Christ.
It's reassuring to know there is someone who is not blind and who puts this into a Bible-perspective rather than a world-perspective. God's Word is TRUTH. He told us of these things that MUST come to pass. God's will be done. Be assured that He is in control and everything IN THE END will be done for His glory and His name will be glorified. Israel is God's chosen. He who blesses Israel is blessed and he who curses Israel will be accursed. The whole world can come against Israel.....BUT THE LORD GOD WILL PROTECT HIS OWN AND SHOW THE WORLD HE IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD! The good news is that God gave us His Son Jesus Christ as a Way to Him, and salvation and eternal life is offered to those (Jews and Gentiles) who accept Him. Prophecy will be fulfilled. OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS NEAR!
JJ...i suggest u read old bible and not the one written by paulus, or old/new testament. Holly bible are supposed to free from human interference because it came from Father.
U r right, Israel tribe are special in God eyes, even in islam quran its mention israel many times. But remember this, Jesus gave u superiority to test your faith to hold on Jesus word, and now Israelis has done many damage to the world, how do you think it will ended, put u to heaven...i dont think so. If u think killing other people just for your religion its ok to do, then what is the different between israel and Nazi?
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Israel is Destroying NATO
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for those who don't stand for Israel they will suffer and perish in time and those are the ones that marry there cousins and there seems to be a lot of those out there
GOG AND MAGOG IS DAYMAWNIC. DEY GON TRY REMOV ISREAL FROM MAP. BUT DEY FAIL. GOD DESTROY DEM KILIN BILIONS IN PROCES. DIS IS SACRIFICE FOR CHRIST KILIN JEWS. DEY RITTEN IN BAHBULL. BAHBULL IS TRU BECOZ BAHBULL SEZ ITS TRU. HOW DO I NOW IT AINT LYIN? CUZ BAHBULL IS TRU, REMEMBER? REPENT OR BURN. END IS NIGH. JAYZUS RITES IN ALL CAPS. IF U AINT RITIN IN CAPS U GON HELL.
YOU ROCKIN JAYZUSFREEK.
1. THE LAND BELONGS TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE. 2. NO SUCH PEOPLE AS THE PALESTINIANS. 3. MAGOG WAR VERY SOON, AND THE DEFEAT OF ISLAM ON THE MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL. 4. YESHUA THE MESSIAH WILL RETURN SOON TO REDEEM HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL
You know what I find really funny? The same people that wanted the Arab spring are now against the same very people they supported overthrowing their governments for the sake of Israel. Just like in Egypt, the protestors attacked the Israeli embassy, and now, people are calling the protestors rioters, when those same people called the protestors heroes when they overthrew their dictators like Hosni Mubarak. It's like you can't say anything to Israel and it's a taboo and Israel is allowed to get away with crimes.
Just like this situation, they are now going against Turkey, for the sake of Israel. I just hope more and more nations get tough with Israel, even the United States. Most of the problems, if you look at the bigger picture, are the cause of Israel. Sad to say, but that is the truth. Truth may hurt, but it's only evident more and more.
The truth is that the problems in the Middle East are caused by those who would destroy Israel. Every way in which Israel has been involved came about because she was, or was about to be, attacked.
Wow, bunch of ignorant rednecks in here. Where do you people gather your facts? Why the heck do you blur the view? The matter is that Israel killed 9 Turkihs citizens and Turkey sought solution thru diplomacy. All Turks wanted was apology. Israel didn't even do that. Can you imagine how bold and how brat and how spoiled they are? Now, Turkey is saying they won't let this ever happen again. What's wrong with this?
I agreed with u sam about Turk and Israel problem, the turks have right to defend their dignity as the same as Americans defend their dignity after 9/11 with invading other country. and to all please look to the history. in the past Israelis was force to move to middle east from europe because they made a lot of problem and confrontation. By israelis believe that the land of palestinians ar they promise land. This is not about religion at all, its about war for oil and lets not forget this "Jesus died killed by Jewish who think Jesus are called himself as God" its a fact.
I cannot bieleve you kissed that cute dog and that dirty baby I heard they can carry fleas. Babies, not dogs. Great haircut, by the way.
Of course Israel did not apologize because its military defended itself after being attacked by a group deliberately trying to run a military blockade.
Bob, please remember one fact on israel and palestine issue "Israel defending their "land" and that land its use to called "palestine"". No argue about that. To others, please look to history of Israel, do not be missinformed by mass media.
IF I CAME AND TRY TO KILL YOUR FAMILY AND YOU KILL ME, WOULD YOU THINK YOU OWED AN APOLOGY TO MY MOTHER? CASE DISMISSED, GO BACK TO SLEEP.
A nation must not apologize if it did not do anything wrong. Thow turks killed knew when they entered the blockade they were going to be boarded, they knew when they stabbed Israeli soldiers they ewre going to fire back. No western country would allow TERRORISTS launch missiles at them and do nothing! There is a big double standard when it comes to Israel, may be because the west is afraid of the Arabs? food for thought...
Israel Destroying NATO
http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/1076/077/Israel_Destroying_NATO.html
Erdogan is only doing what is natural as a leader. He is taking advantage of the Arab weakness to get Turkey back in control of the Middle East. His provocation with Israel will not destroy Turkey, but only gain him allies. If an engagement occurs watch Turkey reclaim what they can and go on the offensive against Syria in the name of fighting Israel. Erdogan may seem crazy but they are thinking ahead, way ahead. Something is not right here.
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Arabism & Islamism = twin fascisms!
Arabism = racism !
Against: Persian, Assyrian, Maronite, Copt, Kurd (in Iraq, Syria), Berber, On Caucasians, on "al-akhdam", anti-Jewish (not just on Israelis...), anti-Asians, Anti-Africans (not just in Arabs' genocide in Sudan...)
Islamism = bigotry!
Radical ISLAM has been waging a vicious bloody global WAR on non-Muslims or on those "not Muslim enough..." As in:
Thailand, India, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Philippines, Indonesia, E. Timor, Moluccas islands, Nigeria, UK, US, France, Israel, Germany, Russia, China, Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt...
Anti-Israelism's intolerance is only PART of the above "twin-fascism"! [Note, anti-Jewish Arab-Islamic racism in the area, dates back at least to the 1920s. The real root of "conflict" is at their hate education NOT what Israel "does" or does not].
Subtract religion from the debate and deal specifically with socio-economics. Religion is used as an attack point and excuse. If people are fully employed, well educated, happy, and have secure futures, religion is more like a private hobby as well it should be. It is often used as a battle cry, but like Northern Ireland and Ireland, religion becomes irrelevant when prosperity arrives. Now that the economy is hurting, old Irish tensions are flaring again. The best antidote for hatred is prosperity. Shiites are poor compared to Sunnis, Palestinians are poor compared to Israelis, Kurds are poor compared to Turks, etc. This is an economic issue clothed in religious frosting, but it will never get solved until the rich are willing to level out the playing field and share.
Someone told me that Israel with seven million people gets more aid from the USA than the State of Hawaii. Is that true?
The people who attacked the Israeli embassy didn't chant "long live Palestine", they said "we want to destroy Israel". That is the Arab street, its views. It's very simple, the common arab in Turkey or in Egypt has been brainwashed by the religious leaders to blaim everything bad on Israel. Long live Israel!
there are no arabs in turkey and not much love lost to arabs
Islam = war = submission = intolerance = hate = slavery = oppression = death
Exactly, islam is nothing but a hatefull religon. but the same can be said about all relgino in general. Israel and its neighbors need to come to peace, or it may destroy the world, economicly, and in many other ways. I dont think the USA can go on fighting syria, jordan, egypt, turkey, and russia if israel does go to war. Because they will have to engage them all. The path ahead is grim but light i believe lies beyond it.
I cannot bvlieee you kissed that cute dog and that dirty baby I heard they can carry fleas. Babies, not dogs. Great haircut, by the way.
Both of you are out of your minds.
time to watch and see back as Man destroys Man. nothing new if you look at the history books.its all a cycle.
Since 9/11 it's the War on Terror.
One "false flag" attack so called by error.
Blair, Bush, and Israel had a Pact in store.
Their next surprise is knocking at your door.
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Israels are blamed and hated for defending themselves against mass murder. Can erdogon remember a six day war ? Which was led by egypt. Israel will stand firm according to the book.
God gave israel ?? Are you sure ?? Exactly what time did he do that ?? Did it justify to give this land to some people claiming it was their land 4000 years ago.. Well then ,who were living there 8000 years ago ?? May be it was the land of Indians-does it mean it has to be returned to Indians after 10 000 years??
They use the Bibel to their convenience. If it hadn't been for WW II, Jews would haver never returned to the "promise land".
Whether you believe it was God or not who gave Israel is irrelevant. Just like Istanbul is now Turkish and not Constantinople – FULL STOP. Israel is and will be FULL STOP.
Turkey has now committed itself to a war with Israel whither they realize it or not If it doesnt it will loose face in the Arab world and will have no creablity left The drums are beating louder now Time for the Jews to bring them down a notch or two and if iran wants to interferr them as well
Even if the entire world tells Israel "Dude chill out a little bit", Israel won't care. Whatever happens from now on with Israel, from what I have seen, heard and read, this time Israel did this to themselves.
welcome to WWIII
You guys can keep on saying whatever pleases you, but not to alter the reality. Israel and US has blood on their hands, the list of the countries that Israel and Americans have attacked is countless; Casualties in millions; Children dead before they even know which country they belong to.
On the day of judgement i'm sure the Americans and Israelis would burn in Hell forever!
No peace with US and Israel on the MAP.
Turkey is the next super power. Just watch.
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Macho posturing this thing is, like Iran and its nuclear program. The only reason why they do these thing is to show how strong they are because if the Arabs perceive any weaknesses in them, they'll turn on both of them and try to attack those nations eventually... Anyway, I personally doubt the Turks and Israelis will fight in the end because both have loads to loose doing so!
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