Could Israel and Turkey go to war?
Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu speaks during a news conference in Ankara on September 2, 2011. Turkey expelled the Israeli ambassador to Ankara on September 2 and suspended all military ties with its one-time ally after a UN report condemned excessive force used by Israel on a Gaza aid flotilla. (Getty Images)
September 8th, 2011
08:30 PM ET

Could Israel and Turkey go to war?

Editor's Note: Soner Cagaptay is a Senior Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and is the co-author, with Scott Carpenter, ofRegenerating the U.S.-Turkey Partnership.

By Soner Cagaptay - Special to CNN

The Arab Spring and recent dramatic deterioration of Turkish-Israeli ties present Israel with a uniquely threatening security environment.  Since 1949, Israel has always had the comfort of having Turkey, one of the two major Levantine powers, as its friend. This is no longer the case. In fact, conflict seems to be looming between Turkey and Israel.

In the aftermath of the 2010 Flotilla Incident, Ankara attempted to intimidate Israel by saying its warships would escort missions to Gaza. Now Turkey and Israel are at dangerously opposing ends of Levantine politics. Not only is Ankara no longer a trusted friend of Israel, but it has also begun to emerge as the key regional actor opposing Israel.

When Turkey became the first Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel in 1949, Israel took comfort in the fact that it had the backing of one of the Middle East's most influential players. The strength of the Turkish military allowed it to become and remain a friend of Israel despite Islamist opposition to it.

Following the Camp David Treaty in 1978, Israel established a cold peace with Egypt, bringing the second major Levantine power closer to its side.  Whereas in the 1960s Nasser’s Egypt represented the center of opposition to Israel in the region, Cairo ceased to pose a threat to Israel in the wake of Camp David. This security environment is all but gone.

For starters, Turkey has become like the old Egypt under Nasser - positioning itself as the regional center of opposition to Israel. Meanwhile, Egypt is becoming like the old Turkey.  The outcome of the forthcoming Egyptian elections is far from certain.  Yet it is very likely that the Muslim Brotherhood will emerge as a power to be reckoned with in the Egyptian polls this fall. Even if the Egyptian military stands for maintaining ties with Israel, the Muslim Brotherhood will push for limiting those ties.  Accordingly, Egyptian-Israeli ties will continue to become more cold and tenuous with each passing day.

For the first time, the two major states of the Eastern Mediterranean are aligning against Israel. This is the most important shift in Levantine politics since Camp David or even since 1949 when Turkey recognized Israel. This new balance is a serious threat for Israel, which must now consider an increasingly hostile Turkey and an ever colder and unfriendly Egypt when it evaluates its security environment.

Yet, the new balance carries risks for Turkey, too.  Ankara’s September 8th announcement that its warships will escort new flotillas to Gaza bears the potential of armed conflict between Turkey and Israel. What if the Israelis decide to stop the next Turkish navy-escorted flotilla as they stopped the Turkish-backed flotilla in 2010?  Will the Turkish navy ships choose to react? As chilling as this scenario sounds, it is not unlikely.  If the two countries fail to slow the escalating situation, they could well find themselves in conflict.

The specter of conflict also hangs over gas exploration in the Eastern Mediterranean.  Turkey objects to Israel’s desire to drill in its exclusive economic zone in the Mediterranean Sea largely because it hopes to block the Greek Cypriots from having the precedent of an exclusive economic zone in which they could drill for gas to the detriment of the Turkish Cypriots.  The latest escalation between Turkey and Israel might just pour oil on the political flames of gas exploration in the Mediterranean Sea.

Perhaps Ankara is only bluffing to bring Israel to its knees, and perhaps the Israelis would rather let Turkish navy-escorted flotillas sail to Gaza than risk regional war.  But one thing is clear: The Arab Spring and the Turkish-Israeli Winter are churning up the Mediterranean.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of  Soner Cagaptay.

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Topics: Foreign Policy • Israel • Middle East • Security • Turkey

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  1. Onesmallvoice

    I only wish that Israel and other countries would try to pressure Turkey into granting the Kurds the independence they deserve. After all, the Israelis already have their homeland whereas the Kurds still do not and haven't for over 2000 years since the Sarmatians drove them from what is now Ukraine.

    September 8, 2011 at 9:48 pm | Reply
    • Kar

      As is the problem with Israel and Palestine, you can't just magically give an ethnic group a piece of land and live happily ever after. Someone stands to lose, although at least in that case secession would probably not create millions of refugees living in limbo.

      September 8, 2011 at 11:56 pm | Reply
      • Big Spender

        God gave the land of Israel to the Jews over 4,000 years ago. Its recorded in the book of Genesis,, God did not give any part of that land to the Palestinians. This feud has been going on for over 4,000 years. I encourage you to read Hal Lindsey's book Everlasting Hatred, It is an eye opener, It talks about the Islam religion, and how they want to control the world with there religion, and they will die for it. They are a very deceiving people. The Muslims hate the jews and the christians with a passion. Islamic religion is a false religion and its a demonic religion. There is no God name Allah, The Prophet Mohammed was demon possessed. as most of the islamic people are,

        September 10, 2011 at 3:27 am |
      • Jason

        Looks like Big Spender has a very objective view on the conflict (note my sarcasm)

        September 29, 2011 at 2:20 pm |
      • Eric Martin

        BigSpender = Cal Thomas. Brainwashed Moron.

        Palestinians have lived there since the neolithic moron.

        Read a book that was written by a dumb religious scholar.

        October 1, 2011 at 2:55 am |
    • j. von hettlingen

      @onesmallvoice, do you know how many Kurd there are in the region? Approx. 30 millions spread all over Iran, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, Lebanon etc etc.
      Turkey has definitely adopted a different stance towards the Israel-Palestine conflict ever since the Islamic AKP took over a few years ago, which also undermined the authority of the military, defender of Attatürk's secularism. The flotilla-incident last year soured its relationship with Israel, a former strong ally. After the fall of Mubarak, Israel feels now a cold wind blowing in Egypt. No doubt it has all reasons to worry about its future in the region!

      September 9, 2011 at 5:09 am | Reply
    • Jim

      WOW Jesus Is Coming Back Very Soon! People Get Ready!!

      September 9, 2011 at 11:54 pm | Reply
      • Big Spender

        Yes he is Jim, its only a matter of time, I think the Gog and Magog war is going to happen soon. all the countries in the middle east that are spoken in Ezekiel 38 and 39 are aligned and Turkey is one of them.

        September 10, 2011 at 2:51 am |
      • JJArise

        YES! Our Lord Jesus Christ is nearer than what people think. The Day of the Lord is coming very soon. Yet people are going about their lives as if He will not return or doesn't exist. THUS ARE THE DAYS OF NOAH! Just like it says in the Bible. God's Word is TRUTH.

        September 10, 2011 at 11:44 am |
      • DiesenMann

        False messiahs don't come back.

        September 28, 2011 at 11:37 pm |
    • louis

      If the Kurds were given a piece of Turkey this would not present an existencial threat to the Turkish State. And how about theTurks helping the palestinians to get their land back , you see... you help my enemy, I help yours and the loser: Israel because it is a small State and will not be able to deter Arab Aggression. Israelis deserves to live in peace. and so does Palestinians.

      September 20, 2011 at 6:24 am | Reply
    • Runia

      It is easy to speak for Kurds when you don't live in Turkey. Independence for Kurds will never be granted. Millions of Turkish people died to protect those lands from foreign countries. They also protected the lands where Kurds live as well.
      They can have the rights like all the minorities from a normal country. Turkish people are not the ones that refuse peace with them, they are. It comes easy to defend the Kurds when you don't know that they kill pregnant women and children. Innocent civilian lives are lost everyday in Turkey because of they terrorist acts. These are their means of persuading the public in Turkey.
      Most of them receive money and weapons from countries or organizations that want to harm Turkey. This is a fact and not paranoia.

      September 29, 2011 at 5:56 am | Reply
      • Kaan

        Runia,

        When you speak of Kurds, you speak as if the PKK (terrorist group) represents all of the Kurdish population living in the region. This is a false assumption, infact most of the Kurds does support the Turkish government and dislike the PKK and would like to be granted rights such as Kurdish as a second language in schools to be the most. But when Turkish army sends out orders to burn down villages, which my family is a living proof of, I wouldnt expect any Kurd to kiss the Turkish flag and sing the national anthem. First, the facism has to end in Turkey or brought to a minimal level.. then Kurds must be represented rights.. then, I GUARANTEE you there will be no such thing as PKK.. Turkey will be united at last and I reckon that it will be the biggest power in the middle east.. I am waiting for this day to come.. are you?

        November 15, 2011 at 12:05 am |
    • amerikro

      If they were driven out of ukraine then ukrain should give them their land back huh.When do we start giving back native americans their land,what do we do in year 2050 when mexicans are majority.Are we ready to give them California,Arizona,Texas,New Mexico.Where do we draw the line.

      October 1, 2011 at 1:39 am | Reply
    • JimBo

      Well, well, well... look how the tide has turned in the past 6 months! Everything played to strenghten Turkey's hand. Turkey can NOT help but be the biggest player in the region. All of Turkey's regional adversaries have been weakened (Syria, Greece, Iran, Iraq, Armenia...) while it's allies richer and more powerful (Azarbaijan). Israel on the other hand is ever more concerned about it's existence due to Iranian threat and is forced to face two options 1. direct confrontation/war with Iran which will cause irreperable damage to Israel's economy even is Israel ends up being the victorios side and years/decades of economic/military uncertainity 2. Accept nuclear Iran and live in even more of a paranoid state where entire middle-east is heavily arming due to arms-race in the region(I don't need to remind you that this is not the most Israel-loving region in the world:). And believe me US, EU, Russia will be very happy to sell weapons in these challenging economic times.

      February 18, 2012 at 6:10 pm | Reply
    • Miranda Kerr

      Like it or not, Turkey can not help but to become the leading power in the region. Economically and soon militarily. The entire middle-east is going through democratization process rapidly(Arab-spring) and I can see it benefiting Turkey not Israel in the coming years. It will not benefit either country to go to war but time is on the side of Turks. Read George Friedman's predcitions about Turkey in his recent book "The Next 100 Years: A Forecast for the 21st Century"...

      February 18, 2012 at 6:19 pm | Reply
  2. David

    What about Turkey's exterminationof its Christian minorities. The crime surpasses the Holocaust of WW2 but yet the world treats Turkey as a legitimate state.

    September 8, 2011 at 9:56 pm | Reply
    • Onesmallvoice

      Unfortunately David, the right-wing thugs in London, Paris and Washington couldn't care less about what the horrific Turks did to any of their minorities. These people are totally unprincipled and amoral to the very core!!!

      September 8, 2011 at 11:23 pm | Reply
      • idkak

        LoL.. wondering if some of the people here are for real or have they on something? This is a joke.. . people learn history and stop blabing about minorities who by the way have the right to be elected and freedom to do as they please as much as all the other citizens in Turkey. What ethnic cleansing are you guys gals blabbing on about? If Turks had done such a thing there wouldn't be a single Greek Cypriot, Armenian, Kurd,... whatever to even talk about it today....

        September 10, 2011 at 3:46 pm |
      • Jay

        @idkak,
        Of course the Turks cleansed them – Christians are now less than one-eight of one percent of Turkey's population. So there really aren't any Christians left to talk about it today. Turkey's overwhelmingly monolithic religious composition today is the strongest proof of its treatment of minorities. So please don't try to toot your own horn – you've no horn to toot. Turkey has cunningly nationalized all the main historic churches to declare them "historic sites" off-limits to worshippers. What kind of religious tolerance is that? It isn't. Nobody believes your pretentious claims of "tolerance" – there isn't a single example of a Muslim country which treats its minorities as well as Western countries do.

        September 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm |
    • Runia

      People that have no knowledge of history say Turkish people imposed their religion on the countries they occupied during the Ottoman Empire.
      They never forced them, if they wanted to change their religion it was their choice. The Ottoman Empire was huge, it spread over 3 continents, but how many of those countries are Muslim?
      Lets be serious Romania is not Muslim, Bulgaria is not Muslim....and are many other countries in the same situation.
      Turks respected their religion and did not interfere. Do you know why? Because the Cristian Religion is accepted in Islam, also its prophets, books and angels. And guess what it is the same God. To know this you would need to expand your religious culture. Read a bit!

      September 29, 2011 at 6:04 am | Reply
  3. ajd041

    I love this blog and I think that this is a serious issue and I hope that it is resolved

    September 8, 2011 at 10:02 pm | Reply
  4. Gungorkaya

    How about the Vietnam war? I wish someone would compensate them for all those deaths. How about the slavery? How about the American Indians? You are sittting on their land enjoying being fat and ignorant. If you are making a statement about Kurds and how Turkey should give them a piece of land, well, stop for a second and think about it.
    Can you show where Turkey is on the map? It seems like your fortune cookie knowledge about world history and politics makes you and people like you a mutant.

    September 8, 2011 at 10:48 pm | Reply
    • Sharma

      Vietnam war? Why pull US into a Turkey-Israel dispute? The issue here is– does Turkey have the moral authority to raise the Palestinian issue when the Kurds in Turkey are suffering and being killed for even longer (since the Ottoman days) and when Turkey has butchered 1 million+ Armenians in the not too distant past and still refuses to acknowledge it? According to your logic, if a concerned Mongolian were to comment on this blog, you might as well raise the massacre of civilians by Genghis Khan in the 1200s?

      September 9, 2011 at 4:08 am | Reply
      • mr280zxt

        You have no clue....Kurds have exactly the very same right of any Turkish citizens...I know because, I am a half Kurd...I have never felt in anyway that I was discriminated against in Turkey...It is in Western powers interest to brake up Turkey...No wonder Turks have been paranoid about this plan for decades...
        As fars as Armenians, We do not deny Armenians and in fact many of them were killed...But, just as many Turks as well..It wasn't planned genocide and reaction to what Armenians gangs did to Kurdish villagers...It was a brutal civil war...There is no excuse for for this events of course...It dark chapter in history now...

        September 9, 2011 at 11:49 am |
      • Parker

        Thank goodness the living God is in control. He will destroy all lands coming against His people. It will be bad for everyone but we must keep trusting Him and look up.

        September 10, 2011 at 7:19 am |
    • Statehood questions

      Well if Turkey says that the Kurds may not have a state then what is this thing called the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus that only Turkey recognizes?

      Blaming the Western countries for Turkey's problems with its Kurdish citizens (as some seem wont to do) is strange and irrational also.

      September 9, 2011 at 8:42 pm | Reply
      • Statehood questions

        Note: My previous comment should not be construed as encouraging conflict in any way. Merely pointing out that people should be more open to considering other points of view and sometimes compromise for the good of the world's population.

        September 9, 2011 at 8:53 pm |
    • George Smith

      Thanks for showing your ignorance and ugly face.
      The history shows that Turks are conquistadors,they are the folks who has to say the least, if not to stay in silence...

      Mutants: You are simply following the crowd,whatever they direct you, without having the intelligence and self-consciousness what is going around the world. You are absolutely blind in your pride...You are the best Mutant.

      BTW,So good that there are also so many self-aware, educated, respectful and great Turks around the globe...

      September 11, 2011 at 10:22 pm | Reply
  5. Zazos

    The views of Cagaptay's neocon zionist employers permeate this article. Turkey didn't send the flotilla, it was the initiative of a NGO and Turkey has every right to be angry about its citizens being attacked and murdered in international waters by israeli pirates. With Mubarak gone and Turkey turning from friend to enemy, Israel is in deep deep trouble, but continues to thumb its chin at the world with the knowledge that America and western governments are subservient to its lobbies such as AIPAC

    September 8, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Reply
    • zionist

      You can always tell a Jew hater, and a hater of democracy. Blaming Jews for American politics. Your own leaders keep you in ignorance and poverty. TM

      September 8, 2011 at 11:46 pm | Reply
      • Northwoods

        Zionist = Racist

        September 9, 2011 at 2:07 pm |
      • deadcolonywalking

        I don't hate jews, but I sure hate zionists, you see it was Israeli zionists behind 911

        September 9, 2011 at 5:26 pm |
    • Texas Bob

      I only wish Obama showed a shred of concern over the fact that the IDF killed an American citizen during their raid. But NOPE. Israel gets to do whatever they damn well please and if this situation does escalate because of their actions, you better believe America will be drawn in and our sons and daughters killed.

      September 9, 2011 at 3:53 pm | Reply
      • AMartin

        I only wish the world would stop holding Israel to a different standard when it comes to defending itself.

        September 9, 2011 at 5:06 pm |
    • Bob

      Turkey's citizens were not attacked and murdered in international waters by Israeli pirates. They were killed while trying to run a military blockade when they attacked Israelis who were inspecting their ship, as Israel has every right to do under the Oslo accords.

      September 11, 2011 at 11:55 am | Reply
    • Dan

      Zazos what you anti-israelis always forget to mention about the Mavi Maramara incident is that those Israeli soldiers where attacked while trying to initiate a boarding ... citizens of any country shouldn't be abducting soldiers of a foreign country trying to initiate a boarding. Who the hell attacks a well armed force initiating a boarding and expects to not be treated in kind? They knew very well that the worst that could happen was arrest and deportation, instead they escalated an already doomed situation for nothing! ... The abduction and beating of Israeli soldiers is inexcusable ... especially for a self stylized "peace flotilla". Think from both sides for once.

      September 13, 2011 at 5:42 pm | Reply
  6. Hasselhoff

    The whole mid east hates each other who cares although the U.S. would be involved because Iran would get involved. It'd be a mess.

    September 8, 2011 at 11:34 pm | Reply
  7. zionist

    Same old anti semitic rant. The Jews run America. AIPAC runs the white house. The Moon landing was done in a studio and the Goverment circles your home in blacked out helicoptors. Take your paranoia medicine and get some sleep.

    September 8, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Reply
    • Kar

      Anyone who argues that Jews run America is crazy. However, it's not hugely controversial to believe that American foreign policy in the Middle East is heavily influenced by AIPAC and similar organizations. It's not just a standard antisemitic rant; if Israel didn't have the political power it did in the United States, Obama wouldn't get shouted at for moderate statements on his views about Israel (by Netanyahu, but also Congress), Congress wouldn't have granted Netanyahu a joint session in Congress to do nothing but rant, the US would do more than veto any UN security Council bills on Israel, and the US would have long ago forced Israel to stop being so counterproductive to US foreign policy in the Middle East. Our policy in the region with relation to Israel has been so counter to the pragmatic realist view we've held with every other country there.

      September 9, 2011 at 12:11 am | Reply
      • Thinker23

        It is pretty... well, stupid to suggest that if the US foreign policy does not follow YOUR scenario it means that it is ruled by the Jews. The US government and Congress are doing what is good for America. Not necessarily what is good for Israel and definitely NOT what is good for Hamas. Try to realize this simple truth.

        September 9, 2011 at 6:00 am |
      • Kar

        What simple truth? Tell me how our policy towards Israel is in US strategic interest. It directs Arab hatred towards the US, making us a target for terrorism, and hardens Israeli positions to any foreign policy issue, isolating the country from the world. The thing is, nothing but heavy lobbying efforts and political influence can explain our unwaveringly nonsensical policy towards Israel. I'm not saying the US would have turned its back on Israel; I'm saying that you'd see more (any) criticism of Israel's actions by leaders, as is the case when our other allies have done something we disagree with.

        I guess I still don't understand what your criticisms are.

        September 9, 2011 at 1:12 pm |
      • Northwoods

        Your not kidding! 20% of Congress just got back from a trip to Israel, all expenses paid by AIPAC. Our bought and paid for politicians giving allegiance to another country.

        September 9, 2011 at 3:16 pm |
    • deadcolonywalking

      they do control the US at least for now.

      September 9, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Reply
    • Bob

      Kar: What is our policy toward Israel? We support the only democratic country in the Middle East, that happens to be nearly surrounded by enemies that want to destroy her. Noting nonsensical about that.

      September 11, 2011 at 12:04 pm | Reply
  8. DPRK

    You want something to take to the UN, you will get it and it is legal too.

    September 9, 2011 at 1:21 am | Reply
  9. Jericho

    The Temple Turk.

    September 9, 2011 at 1:22 am | Reply
  10. Editor

    Unfortunately, the article failed to avoid a usual pro-israeli prejudice.

    Indeed, Israel failed the friendship test and can no longer be considered a reliable partner of Turkey. I would like to add that Turkey had long tolerated criminal acts by the Israel's ultra-zionist groups. Those include Israel's criminal acts in Palestine as well as dangerous overtures with Kurdish terrorists, Greek nationalists and now Armenian extremists.

    I would like to seek more coverage of US and EU reaction to the deteriorating political situation in Israel and whether they will call for its ultra-zinoist government to step down. They have done so successfully in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya. The should do you the same in Israel. Just like in other Middle Eastern countries, the winners will include the local population as well as international community.

    The biggest question is how long will it take for common sense to prevail in the White House, Congress, Senate and EU capitals?

    September 9, 2011 at 2:45 am | Reply
    • Bob

      We told Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya, "You need a government that represents the will of the people." So, what do we tell Israel? "You need a government that represents the will of the people. Oh, sorry. You already have that government. Our mistake."

      September 11, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Reply
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        April 23, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
  11. sharon

    Israel has benefited from friendship of Turkey and Egypt for long long time and what it has given in return,miserable lives to Palestinians and gift of 9 dead bodies to turkey,just imagine if US stops its support to isreal do you think (this group of cynical thinking idiots) isreal will survive,You already know the answer, only need some courage to accept it.

    September 9, 2011 at 3:42 am | Reply
  12. ISRAELI

    The Turkish leadership needs to be put back in place. They think they are some sort of an emprie, but act like a bully and like a histericl woman. Who are they to judge when Turkey slaughters thousands of Kurds every year?
    The Gaya strip is a terrorist place that fires missiles on almost daily basis on Israeli civilians. Does Turkish leadership wants to be percieved as supporting terrorism? do they realy want to enter a military conflict with the best air force in the middle east? they better start cooling down and realize their true position as a third world country that better focus on upgrading its citizens lifes instead of pushing its nose where it does not belong

    September 9, 2011 at 4:10 am | Reply
    • Northwoods

      Israel is the far greater bully that is stealing more and more Palestinian lands. They also have their own terrorist group known as settlers. Google "Israeli settlers" to learn more about these violent thugs.

      September 9, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
    • Ash

      Well, both Israelis and Turks are brutal people. Israleis are stronger but Turks are not donkey riding Arabs. They can be more brutal than Israelis. May god help peace loving people like us!

      September 17, 2011 at 7:45 pm | Reply
    • FENA SIKERIM

      Hope Hitler come's back and finishes what he started.

      November 4, 2011 at 1:32 pm | Reply
  13. asianobserver

    erdogan wants to humiliate and punish israel for not bowing to his wishes,to issue apology,to open gaza to terrorist and lastly to pay conpensation..what else do you want erdogan?you under estimated israel by showing you can put israel to there knees and to show to all muslim countries around the world that you can dictate anything you want to inpose to israel and that is precisely for your personal gain only ..in the frst place,flotilla incident will not happen if your crazy goverment and you!will not allow it to sail if you have mutual respect to your ally..why single out israel when you're humiliated seriously by assads syria for your macho rhetoric???you looked liked you are just bluffing??jmachoman!ejejeje

    September 9, 2011 at 4:45 am | Reply
    • Northwoods

      Turkey now claims they will send warships with the next flotilla. I think Israel made a big mistake in not apologizing.

      September 9, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Reply
      • Jay

        I think Israel made a big mistake in helping Turkey to capture Kurdish separatist leader Abdullah Ocalan. By doing so, they handed Turkey all the cards, and ensured that Turkey would turn its back on Israel.

        How come Turkey hasn't yet sent any flotilla over to Syria, which is bombarding populated cities using tanks? What's the matter – does Turkey have a selective flotilla policy? You know it does.

        September 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm |
      • Sam Cunningham

        Yes, you are right. Turks will send their warships and remove Israel from the map, just like all Mid-Easterns are willing to do. Especially post Arab Spring, Israel has no friends in Mid-East and US is sick and tired of Israel's bold and brat acts.

        September 10, 2011 at 9:19 pm |
      • Bob

        Why should Israel apologize for something it had every right to do?

        September 11, 2011 at 2:12 pm |
  14. Northwoods

    Israel's government has been taken over by religious fanatics that more than match the ayatollahs. We have Former Chief Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, leader of the Shas Party in the government, claiming that goyim (non-Jews) were created, like donkeys, to serve the Jews. The government was silent on his views of a Jewish "master race". We have the popular book "Torat Hamelech" written by two Rabbis and supported by many more which is a religious justification for Jews to kill goyim and even their babies pre-emptively because non-Jews are born "uncompassionate". Other Rabbis call for the anihilation of all Arabs, using Palestinian children as "human shields", and the settlers teach their children that goyim are sub-human, etc., etc. Although Israel complains about Palestinian "incitement" it says little about the incitement of its alleged holy men who are government employees. At least the British government, two weeks ago, banned the entry into the UK of one of the authors of "Torat Hamelech" for the hate speech in the book. It seems that in Israel the "chosen people" mantra has morphed into something else. The settlers who control the government exemplfy this. Unprovoked attacks on Palestinians and their property are steadily increasing and the government does nothing about it. Google or use Youtube and put in Israeli settlers to get a clear view of violent religious fanatics. Unless Israel reins in its religious fanatics, I fear it is doomed. It also appears that among the religious anti-Goyimism is increasing.

    September 9, 2011 at 7:37 am | Reply
  15. TowelHeadsAreMorons

    Most likely it will.

    September 9, 2011 at 8:01 am | Reply
  16. Grey

    Use some Grecian Formula on your mustache too. Idiot.

    September 9, 2011 at 8:36 am | Reply
    • AMartin

      Finally, an insightful comment!

      September 9, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Reply
  17. hellas

    the turks since they came from deep asia they where always agrresive and occupied lands that belong to other races for thousands of years!! after defeating byzantine they had in mind how to control the west and east and push islam to the heart of christian europe and then stoped in vienna almost bringing europe back to dark ages!! look what happened to balcan countries! look at the genocites they done to armenians,curds,christian minorities..ctr now they have a good economic growth they want their old otoman empire reborn and control east mediterranean sea!! no bullies will be accepted from neigbour (democratic) countries ! and dont believe their issue is the incident with the flotilla..their mind is on the gas and oil behind their borders!!!

    September 9, 2011 at 9:05 am | Reply
    • Sam Cunningham

      Ottomans treated all minorities equally. There is no single mosque in Athens. There are a number of churches in Istanbul. What ethnic cleansing are we talking about?

      September 10, 2011 at 9:22 pm | Reply
      • Cosale

        Wrong! There wasnt a mosque in Athens because there werent many Muslins in Greece. Due to the massive increase in the number of Muslin immigrants (mostly illegal) during the last 20 years, the Greek Parliament decided last month to construct a very big mosque in Votanikos-Athens.The works have started on the cost of Greece despite the black economic period it passes (while schools close). The Greek Orthodox Church always supported the freedom to choose and practice any religion. Plus thousands of illegal immigrants are fed daily by Church's syssitia.

        September 24, 2011 at 2:21 am |
      • Cosale

        Dont try to fool readers here. Everybody knows Turks have destroyed and burnt thousands Churches. They even destroyed paintings etc in Hagia Sofia in Istanbul and turned it into a Mosque and have a bazaar outside. And burnt completely another 2 similar size churches nearby. Worst world crimes were made by Turks and Nazi..

        September 24, 2011 at 2:26 am |
  18. Kostis Kalopodareas

    History has shown how reliable Turkey is as a Western and an Israeli ally. A cursory reading of Frank Weber's "The Evasive Neutral"

    (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/32467/christoph-m-kimmich/the-evasive-neutral-germany-britain-and-the-quest-for-a-turkish-)

    will demonstrate how prophetic Weber was (go back in time to the late 80s, 90s, Gulf War I and II, and now this and examine the REAL facts and you will see how successive regimes in Ankara have played America as fools and made promises to Israel while feeding, covertly, Israel's enemies). Israel's mistake is in trusting the regimes too much. Now it is paying for its folly. Same goes for the US. HUNDREDS of billions have been poured into Ankara, and for what? As one Department of Defense official put it, right after Turkey refused the coalition to use Iskenderun and Incirlik for a northern entry point in Iraq in 2003: "Extortion in the name of alliance" (NY Times, Feb. 20, 2003, at A1; col.6).

    Hopefully, this is Isreal's wake up call. The regimes in Ankara change. The Ottoman mentality will not.

    September 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Reply
  19. Gillrocks

    People need to ask themselves why was the Mavi Marmara incident the only one that ended with casualties. There were other ships in that flotilla and none of them were harmed. Further more, there were other flotillas before and after the one with the Mavi Marmara bound for Gaza and all of them were intercepted quietly and peacfully. The reason was that the Mavi Marmara was loaded with IHH members, an extreme muslim group, practicly a terrorist organization that could care less about the palestinians. All they wanted to do is provoke the israelis and clash with their armed forces. Erdogan wants to use this incident to humiliate Israel and score points with the muslim extremists who he sides with. He wants to turn Turkey from a secular progressive country into muslim ruled dictatorship. He is a dangerous man not only to Israel but to all democracies.

    September 9, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Reply
    • Northwoods

      Israel made the mistake of attacking the Mavi Marmara at night and sending commandos down on ropes it also has been noted that rifle fire was going on as they came down. The passengers had a right to defend themselves. It is also is clear that from the autopsies of the bodies that some passenger were summarily executed. The other flotilla ships were not boarded this way due to the public outcry over the murders.

      September 9, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Reply
      • Gillrocks

        I agree that this incident should have been delt diffrently. The Israelis played into the IHH hands. Nevertheless the first soldiers boarded the ship with paintguns. If the passengers were real peace activists none of this would have happened

        September 9, 2011 at 1:19 pm |
      • Northwoods

        At night and if the paint balls are red it could be quite disorienting.

        September 9, 2011 at 1:58 pm |
    • hellas

      thats right gillrocks! after a visit to turkey i saw not a modest islam but a iran type of islam building up every day! they believe that their country will be leading the east like a new otoman empire!

      September 9, 2011 at 6:09 pm | Reply
      • Northwoods

        Go to Israel and you will find the same religious fanatics but with better weaponry..

        September 9, 2011 at 10:16 pm |
      • dzayo

        makedonija forever da zivee makedonija

        September 13, 2011 at 9:29 am |
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