Editor's Note: John Kao, dubbed "Mr. Creativity" by The Economist, is the chairman for the institute of large-scale innovation and author of Innovation Nation. You can follow John on Twitter, Facebook and at www.johnkao.com. This post is the first of six pieces by John about his recent trip to China. Check back each morning this week at 8am for the next installment.
By John Kao – Special to CNN
I recently had the rare privilege of traveling in China as a member of a U.S. expert panel on Chinese innovation. We were convened by an agreement between the governments of the United States and China to contribute to an “innovation dialogue” that has been underway for the past two years and that is seen as being of strategic interest to both countries.
Our itinerary led us to a broad array of players in the Chinese innovation system, including policy makers at both national and state levels, entrepreneurs, managers of state-owned enterprises, academics, representatives of think tanks and others. It also involved a whirlwind tour of innovation hot spots in Beijing, Nanjing and Shanghai. We visited science parks, venture incubators, corporate labs of multinational companies, as well as start-ups in life sciences and digital media. We also sat down with our Chinese colleagues in a variety of settings, often accompanied by deliriously appetizing cuisine, to discuss the issues at hand.
What has emerged is a rather startling picture of a country on the move, whose drumbeat is...innovation.
In “China as an Innovation Nation,” which the first of six pieces, I will sketch the dimensions of China’s innovation drive in the light of the country's resurgent place in the world. It is important at the outset to get a sense of the scale of China’s innovation effort as well as its flavor.
In my second piece, “Why is innovation so important to China,” I will explore the question of why innovation has moved to China’s center stage and how that reflects some of China’s key underlying assumptions about its national strategy.
In the third piece, “Chinese innovation - paper tiger or king of the hill?” I will discuss whether China’s drive towards becoming an innovation nation is appearance or reality.
My fourth piece, “In search of the Chinese entrepreneur,” will examine Chinese entrepreneurship and innovation - its character, enablers and obstacles.
In the fifth piece, "Innovation war or innovation peace?" I explore the potential for a collision course between China and the U.S. in which the traditional notion of trade war must be broadened to include the potential for an “innovation war.” I will offer some thoughts about what an “innovation peace” might look like, where the U.S.-China innovation relationship could go and in what ways it might benefit global civil society.
And finally in the sixth piece, "Sunrise on the Bund," I will offer a few personal observations on how to make sense of the complex, essential and often contradictory phenomenon that is China today.
Let's get started. Her is my first post, "China as an Innovation Nation":
One of countless dioramas displaying new Chinese science parks. (Courtesy: John Kao)
In my most recent book, I defined an innovation nation as “a country that is mobilizing its resources in a pervasive and innovative way... a country that is committed to constantly reinventing the nature of its innovation capabilities to improve the lot of humanity.”
I then observed, “Right now there are no Innovation Nations. But America has the potential to become the first...”
Based on my experiences in China, I now wonder if my assumption needs to be revised, and if China is now a contender to be the first innovation nation.
As a mirror to these thoughts, the Chinese Academy of Science sees China as becoming an “innovation driven nation” meaning “that innovation has become a major driving force for development and with high innovative development and strong innovation capability.”
Any discussion of China must begin with a few general statistics to get the scale of what we are talking about. With a population closing in on 1.4 billion people, China has surpassed Japan to become the world’s second largest economy. Relatively unscathed by the global financial crisis, China currently enjoys foreign exchange reserves of over $2.5 trillion, of which over $1 trillion is U.S. debt.
One could point to several factors that transformed China in a few short decades into the world’s factory: The Chinese work ethic and high savings rate, favorable valuation of the Chinese Yuan relative to the U.S. dollar, and the benefits of being able to make social tradeoffs that come with a centrally planned economy, all of which can boost productivity in targeted areas. Another way of saying this? The Chinese work hard to make things that we (and others) buy on credit. These things are increasingly supplied by a Chinese economy whose strategy is validated by a growing economic surplus augmented by high savings rates and deferment of both consumption and the kind of social entitlements that we take for granted in the United States.
With regard to the specifics of innovation, China now graduates more engineers and scientists than the U.S. China accounts for 12% of the world’s global research and development spending, making it the second largest in the world. Its investment in R&D has increased to 1.6% of GDP and China plans to grow this figure to 2.5% by 2020. China is said to be building over one hundred new universities. Science parks are springing up around the country like mushrooms after a rain. And while isolation because of language barriers has historically been an obstacle to globalization, it is noteworthy that China is now on track to becoming one of the largest English-speaking countries in the world.
Most significantly, Chinese leaders all the way to the top are now publicly emphasizing the importance of innovation as a fundamental driver of China’s economic and social development. This is reflected in an active planning process; the 11th 5-year plan (2006-2010) for China emphasized the importance of innovation and the current 12th 5-year plan goes even further. It describes efforts to promote a wide range of strategic emerging industries in energy, environmental protection, next generation information technology, materials science and new kinds of vehicles. New talent development schemes and government-driven financing regimes are part of this story as well.
And these are not just words. Innovation is actively managed at all level of government. Developing a new generation of innovation savvy leaders is a top priority. There is also an evident willingness to experiment - whether in terms of new kinds of venture incubators, global alliances or investment models. Nothing, it seems, is off the table for consideration. In line with this, China’s many economic development think tanks are actively studying the innovation strategies and development models of other countries, most especially the United States.
And while it may be fashionable to knock China’s approach to innovation as being primarily focused on theoretical research and the filing of patents, the thinking in Beijing and elsewhere is far more sophisticated. In fact, the definition of innovation shared with us at the Chinese Academy of Sciences is that it is “a complex process of value creation, including, scientific & technological value, cultural value, economic value and social value, concerning activities ranging from scientific discovery, technological invention, business model innovation and their application as well as social diffusion.” Not a bad definition in anyone’s book.
Given the above, it would be the ultimate irony if my book “Innovation Nation,” which was recently translated into Chinese becomes more widely read in China than in the United States, even though it was written for a U.S. audience with the goal of stimulating our own national conversation on how to improve our own national innovation capability.
The views expressed in this article are solely those John Kao.
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I think the author of this piece has attended one too many Chinese banquets on his travels and is still a bit drunk....
I'll add one little ditto to his new found definition of innovation which gives it perspective...
"All controlled by the party."
Now read the new sparkly definition of innovation in China....
it is “a complex process of value creation, including, scientific & technological value, cultural value, economic value and social value, concerning activities ranging from scientific discovery, technological invention, business model innovation and their application as well as social diffusion – ALL CONTROLLED BY THE PARTY.
Not such a glitzy definition of innovation anymore is it?
You can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig
You shouldn't judge China's success out of political, ideological point of view. Of course its ambition is planned and controlled by the central government. But it has the money to spend on education, research and development. Most countries in the West don't. Maybe China might come up with some inventions that would benefit us all.
REASON never meant that, try to read between the lines.
First of all, China is a feudal country. Regardless the corruption that is pervasive at all levels of government, and the more than 5000 students' death in the 2008 SHICHUAN earthquake because of poor built school buildings ; the funny thing is that, we do not have CNN, Facebook, Twitter... in China,(I'm a Chinese student studying abroad ) which means even people do understand English, have no idea what's going on in the world , and the government choose what they could know and what they could not !! So the whole innovation thing is lie obviously. The truth is that Chinese government spends huge amount of money per year to keep rebels in control. Some people just wrote an article that governments have done some wrong, they are arrested and in prison. So, it is very clear that the only thing Chinese government wanna do is to keep themselves safe but not for the good of Chinese people. I realize that many american do not really understand what kind of county China is . My whole family stay in China , i obviously China could be a innovative country, but the truth is that i do not see any change except keeping on building and changing the appearance of big cities!! Only democracy could change China !!
You don't seem to know the reputation of China: king of imitation. t is not only recently, but it has been a tradition/ (skill ?) for so long. From switch watch to Italian car, they excel at imitate other countries' products. Recently, it's Iphones etc. The government, recognizing the value of innovations, and has imposed a quota of researches among universities professors. Know what happened ? There are widespread or plagiarized and fake (fabricated) researches reports, just to fulfill the mandatory quotas. China has a loooong way to go to have real, honest innovations. Read the post from "Voice of Chinese" below, he has living experience, he is intelligent, and he tells the truth. He is actually the hope of the US that by accepting chinese students here, they will see the value of democracy, and will come back to change their country later.
China has over 1.3 billion people. If you hear different voice it is normal., including these students studied in US. As political science you should learn how many percentage of Chinese feel happy, but not one person (even a crazy guy) complain.
Run a country is not too much different to run a company. Each company has its own management style. Buit its price of stock is decided by its profit and potential profit, not decided by a fired employee's complain.
The truth of Wenchuan earthquake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake: estematged total death 68,000.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/28/china-census-half-towns-cities: under-14s accounting for just 16.6% of the population
Wenchuan is a developing area. In develping area has higher birth rate than develped area, which mean under-14s acounting more higher percentage of the population. In a develping area it is not pratical to expect all building having high quality.
you forgot to mention all the money to invest in military and corporate espionage in which they gain the latest technological advancements on all of their "innovations". If a large portion of chinese come here for college educations than I guess they still need to invest more money in their education system. What does it say when a recent study of Chinese affluent say their biggest wish is to permanently leave China?
What China government doesn't realize is that you can't just tell people to be innovative. That's not how that works. It's like telling someone to go paint a masterpiece. All they can do is create an environment which is conducive to free thinking. Which they are not willing to do. So keep telling people to innovate. It won't work.
I also find it strange that every little thing China does they have to brag about. I mean, who says "we are going to innovate, here it comes, get ready!" Most countries just do it. "We are going to be this, or that or awesome in this or that." How about let the wind blow where it takes you and tell us afterward? I dunno, that's how most countries do it.
When the US made the World Trade Centers, they didn't say "This is going to be a super awesome memorable building someday." Nope, that wasn't their intention. They needed an office building, so they made it. If China did that you'd see 20 articles of them talking about it before hand and how the world will bow to their great achievements.
I guess to some parts of the world, we are just living our lives and we aren't involved in some kind of childish popularity contest. Isn't it underachievers who brag of their accomplishments before they do them?
Honestly, who does this guy think he's fooling? This looks like a soft propaganda article for China. Why are there so many Chinese "Americans" eager to sell out the United States? Why are they content to live here while kissing up to a nation that would harvest their organs if they crossed the wrong official?
I'll pull out some choice excerpts:
"I then observed, “Right now there are no Innovation Nations. But America has the potential to become the first...”
Based on my experiences in China, I now wonder if my assumption needs to be revised, and if China is now a contender to be the first innovation nation."
I think he's smoking opium, because the US invented the airplane, the modern automobile, the telephone, the cell phone, sewing machines, record players,audio cassettes, dvds, cds, photographic film, solar cells, radio, the television, the digital computer, the Internet, the assembly line, air conditioning, traffic light, the light bulb, the bull dozer, liquid fuel rocket, eletric guitar, radiotelescope, the shopping cart, nylon, supermarkets, deodorant, atms, microwave oven, chemo therapy, cloud seeding, transistor, supersonic jets, the video game, the atomic bomb, the air bag, cpr, various computer languages, compilers, bubble wrap, integrated circuirt,transistors, communication satellite, LEDs,various types of lasers, wireless networks, the personal computer, mini computer, mainframe, supercomputer, and so on and so forth. I've only listed about 1/4 of what is there. But you get the idea.
China is not even in the same league as the US. This article is a complete joke and this guy seems to me like a traitor to our nationality.
I thought John Denver is dead and buried. The country road must have brought him back from death to zuck kwoks for another day and swallow another mouthful until he truely is full of it.
I read that in Chinese culture, smiling doesn't mean the same as it does in the West. The guy in the article is smiling, but that does not mean he's friendly. In China smiling is often used to deceive people.
John Denver's ghost
asian people especially chinese like to brag just as you have mention they like to praise and flatter themselves unlike westerner which went through century of imperial mentality , they alway trying to belittle other so as to position them as the best the top. unfortunately belittling other to gain prestige is worse them bragging about oneself.
I also believe Mr.Kao has attended one too many state orchestrated high volume theatre production which western audiences are carefully handled. Most of the power and money circulate among the party members, their scions, and their henchmen, and rarely makes its way to the common people. Building a lot of impressive building with equally impressive sounding name such as Incubator does not amount to much when all they are really innovating is how to steal ideas from the west as efficiently and sleathly as possible. I guess you can call that innovation. The spirit of innovation must have its counterpart which is democracy and freedom of expression (it should include freedom to think outside of the box and not follow things the party dictates). Somewhere along the journey, the author probably lost his objectivity in facing the enormous facade of civilized behavior. Trust me, they can build a whole city for you to roam around and come back delirious with optimism when 50 miles away could exist the soviet style concentration camps. such a society build on elaborate lies is not optimized for creativity, especially concerning the furtherance of human values, and such writeups only add to the lie they deliberately perpetuate.
"What Descartes did was a good step. You have added much several ways, and especially in taking the colours of thin plates into philosophical consideration. If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants." Sir Issac Newton.
If China wants to innovate, it doesnt want, nor need to reinvent the wheel. It needs to study the current state of the art, aka 'stealing our technology' and then improve upon it and go further. While China may still be playing catchup in a number of areas, in some cases they produce pure, home grown technological advancement. For example the laser target designators that the military uses to 'paint' targets for smart bombs use technology covered by a Chineese patent. Kind of ironic when some consider China to be our single biggest military concern after the fall of the Soviet Union, no?
I believe that you've zucked one kwok too many and swallowed one mouthful too much and that is exactly why you are full of it.
Stealing tech is stealing tech. Standing on the shoulders of giants is studying books.
Lets face it, we americans stole nuclear technology from the Germans, stole advanced rocketry designs from the Nazis, as well as various weapon models including for our M4 and M16 assault rifles. America "stole" such technology in the past because you cannot innovate with only fire sticks and stones. You need a solid foundation and that foundation to "steal" from was Europe in the past. Now the same occurs with China, but it is funny that we call them tech stealers. Worse still, the majority of uneducated and poorly informed American people agree that China are tech stealers haha. Its called the pot calling the kettle black or smthg heh.
You are 100% spot on Reason!! China has been the complete opposite of an innovation country. Look at their technology, they just recently built an aircraft carrier...an air craft carrier..how is that an innovation? Next, they just show cased their new stealth fighter...ya know, the same technology we developed 40 years ago. I think this author is delusional. Especially if its controlled by the ruling party.
Just because your uncle paid you fifty cents for fingering your punkass does not mean you are 100% innovative.
China didn't build the carrier, they bought a use one from the old CCCP
by that same definition, America and europe stole "gunpowder" technology, stole the idea of "printed money" from China, stole "mathematics" from the Arabs, etc. Theres no point reinventing the wheel. If the US were not so mercantilist and started freely exchanging and sharing technology with the developing nations of the world, then there would be no point in stealing would there? plus it would bring many people in the world out of poverty, but something tells me that is the least of the US' concerns.
us companies are not investing in america they are investing in china. if a american can teach, has computer skills, is an engeneer and can't get a job here they can get a good job in china. the us has to import its drs because education is being cut. china has high speed rail, investing in its country. the us is cutting back.
You can also put lipstick on a kwok head such as you but you're still just a kwok head. Not just any kwok head but a typical and limpy American kwok head.
3 years old yet?
i'm married to a chinise. please don't use the word kwok in talking about chinese just say chinese. other wise i agree with you. Though the general person in china is just like the average american and trying to better their lives.
That's how Apple Corp is run. Totally closed system so that their internal products totally work seamlessly.
Of course, that also means those products don't work so nice with other popular products.
And you live in a country that is controlled by a party of corporate leaders that have no concern for the American people anymore.
ouch....touche' you have a point there...
I'm sorry but, our politics issues is a joke compared to China'a dictatorship. It's like comparing the flu to AIDS.
Check how much you make and how much this John Kao guy makes. That should give you some basic idea of who is right and who is wrong here. If you get things so right so often, then I suppose you would be making a lot more. : )
Honestly, who does this guy think he's fooling? This looks like a soft propaganda article for China. Why are there so many Chinese "Americans" eager to sell out the United States? Why are they content to live here while kissing up to a nation that would harvest their organs if they crossed the wrong official?
I'll pull out some choice excerpts:
"I then observed, “Right now there are no Innovation Nations. But America has the potential to become the first...”
Based on my experiences in China, I now wonder if my assumption needs to be revised, and if China is now a contender to be the first innovation nation."
I think he's smoking opium, because the US invented the airplane, the modern automobile, the telephone, the cell phone, sewing machines, record players,audio cassettes, dvds, cds, photographic film, solar cells, radio, the television, the digital computer, the Internet, the assembly line, air conditioning, traffic light, the light bulb, the bull dozer, liquid fuel rocket, eletric guitar, radiotelescope, the shopping cart, nylon, supermarkets, deodorant, atms, microwave oven, chemo therapy, cloud seeding, transistor, supersonic jets, the video game, the atomic bomb, the air bag, cpr, various computer languages, compilers, bubble wrap, integrated circuirt,transistors, communication satellite, LEDs,various types of lasers, wireless networks, the personal computer and so on and so forth. I've only listed about 1/4 of what is there. But you get the idea.
China is not even in the same league as the US. This article is a complete joke and this guy seems to me like a traitor to our nationality.
You missed the point. The USA is in the top right now, but it is not improving, it is not making effort, it is not shaking up. The Chinese are coming fast, are working hard, they know that they are not at the same level and this is the reason why they are working so hard...If the USA doesnt move up sooner or later the Chinese Top Students are going to lead the way. And I am not even american, I am South American...!
Hi Smart Black Guy,
Appreciate your comments. I would be the first person to say that the US is the lead country regarding innovation. What concerns me is our lack of national will to maintain and even enhance the roots of our innovation success – education, infrastructure, policy, finance, etc. – that made is great in the first place. When I say innovation nation – I mean something specific – a country that has embraced innovation as a national agenda, not a country that is more or less innovative
@John Kao
Please explain what you mean by "national agenda". Do you mean a desire to be "No. 1", or thought to be
"No. 1" by the rest of the world? It seems to me that until China can show the rest of the world (and its
own regional neighbors) that China's "national agenda" values the civil liberties of its
own citizens as individuals rather than as compliant members of a "stable, harmonious social order) then
what ever else is on their "agenda" is nothing more than the maintenance of power by the CCP.
Your a moron, along with most of the other posts, lies lies and privatize thats the conservative mantra, go away and take that texan with you. Read my Lips; No More Texans! and good for China at least the Party there works for the people not the corporations there not borrowing a trillion dollars they are lending it. They would of shot those bankers as well they deserved.
Yes, but who controls the Party? There are so many factions in there. It's not like it's a single-minded machine.
I dont think you have a good understanding of English. The subject is Inovation....not Politics ! We understand and forgive !
I understand Reason's reasoning, but he should consider that he may still be fighting the last war. The CCP is run mainly by engineers, who seem to understand that they have huge problems to grapple with, and only have to look back at their own history to see how failure usually gets dealt with. We are run largely by lawyers, and people trained in financial manipulation, who seem to be serenely unconcerned that failure might prove to be anything less profitable than success. Things are always the way they are...until they are not.
China is also building about a thousand airports too. Filling out patents doesn't equat to innovation. China's current system only involves copying and any dialogue between the US and China consists of how many factories Walmart can ship over to help China "innovate".
Innovation doesn't involve just technology, it involves human ideas such as Democracry, human rights and all the other wonderful things China is telling their citizens doesn't really exist. Wealthy citizens also tend to want more which the gov't is not likely to cede, the same goes for "ideas".
I concur, the author is drinking alot of China kool-aid. Even China's wealth don't believe in their education system (which churns out ppl who can pass exams but couldn't think of an idea if their livelihood depended on it).
OK, I agree with all the human factor, and secondary factor you mentioned. But you can not move away from hard facts: US is cutting investment in technology, education, and run by politicians with only one goal in mind: re-election. While China is investing in all the right ares with substantial amount that they actually can afford using their cash reserve. Granted, there're many factors and other things that severely hinder the progress China would like to achieve, but that's not the problem. The problem is how can US survive this race in the long run by not investing, being completely bankrupt and run by selfish, short sighted politician only interested in self preservation?
We haven't got a chance and our leaders haven't a clue.
Don't listen to Steve, by we he's referring to the mouse in his pocket. I think they both have cancer or something, so they don't have a chance, sadly.
One can hardly speak of human rights in a comparison between China and the US. Is China's track record perfect? No. Good? No. But compared to the US's incarceration rates, wars, and laws such as the Patriot Act, China is merely a brother to the US, not magically worse.
You have no idea what they do to their people...
Yea china should be more like US kids. Go to school, fail at learning anything, fails all exams, and voila, unemployed and welfare. Smart think you dumbazz
Yeah, too bad most of the poor chinese don't have a chance to even fail at school because they DON"T HAVE ONE. How do you think the Communist slave lords keep their workforce in check?
but they can alway be daley lama donkey just like all the tibetian under his rule right
Overall the U.S. school system is better than China, but that’s not because the education systems are better, it’s because the overall environment the education system is in is better. Chinese Kids had to compete fiercely in order to get a chance to higher education because there aren’t enough universities. And for many going to university is the only way out because there aren’t many other opportunities. This is the main reason why U.S. kids can afford to have all kind of fun (and of course learn all sort of things from it) but Chinese kids can’t afford to. They have to earn highs score in order to get over the first hurdle.
U.S. as a society also offers much more to the kids. Business environment is better. Land and water are less poisonous. Those are some of the many reasons why wealthy Chinese want to send their kids to schools here. It’s not really because of the schools are better. I am a Chinese making a good living here in the U.S. and I wanted to send my kids back to Chinese schools for some time so that she can learn hard working and discipline.
Hard work and discipline? How long are people going to think that Asia invented or somehow has a lock on hard work and discipline? If all those things you mentioned are better here in the US, how would you deduce they got that way? How would you account for these better things?
I've got the answer for you.
HARD WORK AND DISCIPLINE!
The US (and Europe) - WESTERN tradition - has not always had its current problems. When China becomes a rich nation, let's see how they fare. The truth is that many civilizations become lazy because they can. It's a cycle.
BUT, you can certainly still learn hard work and discipline in the US - where Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and Barack Obama were largely educated. Don't fall for the propaganda that hard work and discipline is a uniquely Asian (or Chinese) virtue.
Stealing technology from other countries is not innovation.
Says the guy whose country stole NAZI technology and scientist after WW2.
stole? Stole the atomic bomb? Stole rocket technology? – HA you forget Goddard, the grandpa of rocketry.
The Chinese must have hacked into your azz and stolen your virginity. It's too bad you have a sore azz.
Being able to steal your virginity is considered innovative by Uncle Sam's standard.
As for "innovate talents", China also has an enormous pools of talents from of oversea educated Chinese and non Chinese who are willing to move to China and be part of this great course.
People who have the means are leaving China, not returning to it. The newly made millionaires are buying their way to other countries because they don't trust the government and its political and social policies. They are willing to make money in China, but not willing to expose their families or their futures to the policies and control of the communist party.
Innovation do not happen without troubles. The innovative years of United Sate is not particularly a good example by today's standard. The fall out is yet to fade away. China is doing what it can given the enormity of its problems and cultural limitation. They will get there and other countries will have their turns.
I don't think John Kao ever really believed that the US would be (or wanted the US to be) the first "innovation nation."
You can't order people to innovate. Innovation is an organic process requiring fertile topsoil of freedom, which provides both a marketplace for ideas and incentives to pursue them. Innovation requires a culture of freedom which China does not have, and which the Chinese regime could never permit, lest they lose their power. They are their own obstacle.
I am what "USA" calls an "overseas educated Chinese" and there is not enough money in the world you could pay me to help grow an evil empire. Not all of us are slaves to their twisted ideology of yellow nationalism.
I agree, however Chinese success mainly because they are willing to change. To reach their goal, they will change.
The past 30years of China just prove my point.
We (you and me) change too right?
I think what Another means is that the kind of change needed for innovation would be too far for the Chinese Communist Party. Freedom is an idea they could never brook. All evidence points to increasing tyranny, not freedom, in Chinese society. If anything, the past 30 years has shown that China has become more skillful at silencing political dissent and persecuting groups it thinks is threatening.
"Chinese troll doesn't understand freedom, not surprising"
You need to understand that even the so-call CCP is changing. CCP even censor their own Premier Wen's CNN interview with Fareed. CCP is in gradually changing. Their leaders knows their people need freedom, but they also know they need to be fair to all because millions are still consider "poor" and "uneducated"(they call them farmers) in world standard. Once Chinese have reach "middle class" status, freedom will come naturally without blood.
A sign of progress in China is that they've extended censorship to their own leader? I'm not sure I understand.
@ Questioning
Just another form of democracy; we can call it disagreement or struggle within CCP.
China is succeeding because they are good at stealing and the rest of the world can't believe a civilized country would do that.
Mr. Kao is being paid by the Chinese govt....No doubt. Anybody who can only say good things about the Chinese Govt. is being bought by the Chinese Govt...
How about if you give your uncle "Another Position" not "Another Preposition"? Your uncle will certainly be aroused by the way you bend over. The only problem is that he is too poor to pay you.
Oversea Chinese are like Jewish people, they never forget their roots and their ancestor sorrows.
The first wave of foreign investors that start the the20th century "China miracle” were overseas-Chinese from Singapore, Southeast Asia, Taiwan, Hong Kong and not from USA or the west.
Right after culture revolution, it took more than "good business" to invest in China.
Uh huh, and what did "overseas Chinese" from Taiwan get in return for helping midwife the "China miracle?" Over a thousand missiles pointed at Taiwan, and increased isolation in the international arena.
No thanks.
Those missiles were there before the Taiwanese investment in China. The relation between the two countries is now better than ever.
The missiles have always been there, the relationship has never been better.
It seems strange to put those things together. Maybe what you mean is that Taiwan was forced into an arrangement with China because of the missile threat. That seems more plausible.
I am going to respond to this without trying belittle comments made by USA here. It depends which area of industry you get looking at. China made it easier for the Taiwanese and Singaporean to invest. But for others it took a little bit more learning and understanding, and a whole lot more work. To say most of the investments came from these countries is pretty much off-base. Obviously you are either from Taiwan, Singapore or HK and I am really happy for you, that you are proud of your countries accomplishments.
Anyone who could make money went there and dumped money. General Motors for instance. And we are talking in the billlions.
So, USA, think before you say something and do check your facts. I agree with you though, a lot of Taiwanese, Singaporean and HK investment, particularly in the electronic sector and small scale industries. But most of the investment came from the West.
I cannot argue with you. Very true, compare to the west, the inisial invetment is very small. My pont is just that:
The first wave of foreign investors that start the the20th century "China miracle” were overseas-Chinese from Singapore, Southeast Asia, Taiwan, Hong Kong and not from USA or the west.
****Right after culture revolution, it took more than "good business" to invest in China.****
ps. Why this do not happen to india consider India also has many oversesas Indian?
"To say ***most of the investments*** came from ......... " Did I said that?
USA, you are right.
kwok head, it all started when factories in Hong Kong moved to China in the 70s. The U.S. companies are late commers. They did not want to miss out their opportunities and continue manufacturing American BS artists.
When I see a Chinese Jimi Hendrix or Beatles or Spielberg or Jobs or Edison or Gates or Etc...I'll believe. Until they can lead culturally, they can only copy the best in all areas of endeavor, scientific or otherwise....because it starts with inspiration and rebelliousness. In the mean time they have banned shows that show time travel or other unrealistic things...thus dulling the imagination of the youth. Creativity is not found at the end of a hammer or sickle.
Well said!
For those americans who doubt China, look at Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan and overseas Chinese. They shared the same genes, dna and blood type, if they can succeed and be technologically advanced especially in the electronics, oil n gas and banking, I believe China will succeed and be a leading innovation cerntre in the future. By the grace of GOD they will achieve it.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Please stop, I might laugh to death if you don't.
Communist China DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD, much less, your god. Only the magical communist fairy can save it.
Genes, DNA, blood type don't matter. What Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan have that China does not have is freedom.
Your average Chinese citizen has more "freedom" than most people such as yourself realize. Contrary to popular (and ignorant) belief, people don't just "disappear" after criticizing the CCP or their leaders. If that were the case, many Chinese citizens (and I mean hundreds upon hundreds) I've met should all be in jail by now. What the Chinese government doesn't allow is the dissemination of critical opinions in a public forum such as a internet website or political rally. They (right or wrong) consider that to be inciting civil unrest and anarchy. After all, China is a nation where they have seen plenty of history in popular/commoner uprisings, not always yielding the best result.
Oh and the average Chinese citizen has the freedom to travel, own properties and private business. They also have religious rights to *certain* religions. 25-30% of Chinese identify themselves as very religious. Another 30-40% identify themselves as somewhat religious or subscribe to certain beliefs from many religions. Their religions of choice primarily Buddhism, Taoism or Chinese folk religion. The main reason behind why certain western nations complain about religious freedom in China is because *their* religion of choice (Christian/Catholicism) is heavily regulated. Christianity is a very intrusive religion that brings a lot of demands to their followers, including utomost loyalty to their "God". The Chinese government does not like the concept of dual loyalty.
Gordon, you tell the truth about China.
A fundamental change happening to the Chinese (including mainland China) is the millions of conversion to Christianity. As the west has enjoyed, Christianity is the base of freedom and democracy. I believe this is the main factor for Chinese peaceful rise within or abroad.
Christianity is the source of all evils. Don't you know that Judaism, Catholic, Muslim, Orthodox, Protestant, Mormon, and many other derivatives, they all worship the same god, yet they are all fighting to cancel out each others?
What are you on? Haven't you see what that religon done to...your user name, church and state were once two different things, but now, church rule state. And to USA, study some east asian reigons such as Tao, Buddhism and Confucius, they much more peaceful than the self proclaimed "peaceful" and "democratic" religon.
&&& I also suggest you get your brain checked if you think that way, don't you know the history? Slavery, crusades and soo many death were caused in the name of your perfered religon. (=.=)
@That'snottrue:[
1. If “Tao, Buddhism and Confucius, they much more peaceful”, why so many wars and killings in Chinese history?
2. If “Tao, Buddhism and Confucius, they much more peaceful”, why our Chinese ancestors willing to be sold "for the price of one pig" as a hard labour in the west and stay?
3. If "Tao, Buddhism and Confucius, they much more peaceful", why today when people need help on highways, no Chinese are willing come to help?
Are Taoism, Buddhism and Confucius lack of true love?
The true meaning of Christianity or love is: “I am willing to die for you”.
Please show me one god other than Jesus Christ who are willing to die on the wooden cross for all human race.
How brainwashed can you be? You can ask the same thing of christianity, if you haven't notice its the only religon that requires members to recuite more members, lol, be brainwashed as you want, but do it on the belief blog please, this is non religon related yet you choose to relate to it.
you're an idiot
China greatest innovations are the tools they use to steal others innovations. Face it, China does not own the technology to built a modern airliner nor a modern jet engine. China has barely harnessed electricity. Everything in China's space program has been stolen from other countries
CHINA IS A ZERO INNOVATOR – they tend to kill off anyone with creative thought or those that think for themselves.
Free the Chinese from their Communist oppressors. Kill the Chines terrorists that haunt the halls of their central government – treat them no less than they have to all those they have tortured or butchered for human organs to be sold on the market, and outright killed for pleasure. May these Communist low lives face peace only through a swift decapitation – which is a far better death they have dealt to many innocent people.
The Chinese must have harvested your limpy Tibetian kowk and sold it as dog food for your Uncle to munch on.
Can you tell me which country invented compass (2400 years ago), making paper (2100 years ago), printing (1200 years ago), gun powder (1100 years ago)? China never limits anyone to share these innovations, still it took the other countries several centuries, if not thousand years, to learn and master how to use such technology. You can google and wiki, if you are willing to learn more REAL facts:
The importance of these inventions was perhaps first discussed by the British philosopher Francis Bacon (1561–1626), who in 1620 wrote: "Printing, gunpowder and the compass ... whence have followed innumerable changes, in so much that no empire, no sect, no star seems to have exerted greater power and influence in human affairs than these mechanical discoveries." Bacon was likely unaware of the origins of these inventions, and was not writing of the ancient Chinese inventions but rather their Western analogs. However, his writings do show the importance of these technologies to the early-modern European world."
come on, i'm a Chinese like you. stop saying there were(or 'are'?) 4 great inventions in China's history. but what else, which influended the human history dramatically, did Chinese found? no one, right? that's Chinese invention capability? and hell no too! most of Chinese are satisfied with the 4 great inventions because we are taught that we should be proud of them. but these teachers did teach us that we should be more inventive and should not copy so much. how sad, isn't it?
I think Chinese should be more realistic, but not to deceive ourself. and we do know that most young Chinese, esp. those receiving college education, know what is China and Chinese. however, they would definitely become another typical Chinese after graduation because we have been through our Chinese education from our family, our teachers, our mates and our society. we have a twisty education that is the reason causing our other twisty systems.
i don't think we would have any change in this time, not even in the following 50 years or hundreds years. what we can do is we need to adapt to the environment we live. thanks to Mr. Darwin!
I'm definitely not thanking the chinese for inventing paper.. thanks to them, my desk is covered with it. You've mentioned innovations from 500+ years ago.. what have they done for me lately?
Hard to take someone seriously when they can't even spell "Tibetan" correctly. Generalizations, stereotypicals, political rhetoric, check. Ignorance, double-check.
Obviously he's just a fake Tibetan. I suppose he is just a lama lover such as Richard Gerbil Gere and I doubt that if he knows where Tibet is.
It's the syndrome of the vocal minority. From what I have seen with my own two eyes, many Tibetans don't care about Tibetan independence and all that. They are too busy living their lives.
Why would they want independence anyways? China has spent significant capital developing the area and raising the standard of living. If they became independent they would not have the natural resources or technical know-how to sustain themselves. If would make as much sense as American Indians trying to declare independence from the U.S, only to come back later to ask for economic and logistical assistance. Ideology is no good to those starving to death.
Do you know anything about patent law? If your patent expired everybody can make it or copy it. Do you know generic drug? We have a lot of drug companies making generic drug here. It has no any problem legally and morally.
I saw a design presented to me by a factory. According to the factory it was developed at the Qingdao Technical University. They told me that it was a new way of producing a product that we market and is environmentally friendlier. I recognized the process as I had seen it before. I did my best to tell that it was a copied design, and finally gave up. Funny thing is, I have seen this sort of antics countless times.
One most common comment made to me was, if something was made in China for the first time, even if it was made elsewhere, than it is made by that Chinese company and they hold the patent for it in China.
It would be hard thing to look at China as an innovation nation, until they respect the contribution made by others. It will be tough to look at their innovation and say WOW!, until they stop pilfering other peoples inventions and claim it to be their own.
I think their innovation days will start when they look at themselves in the mirror and say, we are our own biggest customer. The day they start making products for themselves is when they will truly stat innovating. Until the day comes where they stop the copying and stealing of patents, and just sit and design for themselves, is the day they wll become truly innovative. Not because their academy of science says, they are becoming a nation of innovation.
China has smart people, but their minds have been limited by rules of the rulers. Their intelligent was developed in the way of their coping and hacking from others. Sad but there is nothing can do about it.
Come on. They don't even allow to make fiction movies about "go back in time" or "future time". How innovation is that?.
I don’t see innovation in China. I just see them as a good copy machine.
Innovation is ‘inventing’ … ie new drugs, new technologies, solving mathematical problems… I just don’t see that coming out of China.
Say what you may. Does the Chinese care what you have to think of their ideas ? I don't think so. As long as, the ideas benefit their country and eventually the general public, who cares what the West, Indian (or pseudo-Tibetian) and the rest gotta think ?!
Yes they do. They paid a handful people to say a good thing about China on the internet.
And you must have been paid by your uncle for your innovative way of bending over. Let's see if you can come up with an innovative way to grease your azz.
Maersk, angry and calling names do not making "China innovation". What is your point about China innovation?
ed, let's see if you can come up with an innovative way to munch on your Uncle's dirty kwok. Please don't just rub and spit on it because that is not innovation for me.
yes Like CNN and iraqi stealth WMD. still not found
This article is a joke. No country has made more by outright stealing intellectual property. China is the bootlegging capital of the galaxy. If stealing intellectual property is innovation, then China is the leader in innovation.
Just look at Ai Wei Wei. He is an innovating artist, but they put him in jail with numbers of crimes such as child molester, tax invading, traitor, etc... They don't even like innovating idea, how can it be an innovating country?
If we can accept tha world is changing, why not accepting CCP is changing?
A fundamental change happening to the Chinese (including mainland China) is the millions conversion to Christianity. As the west has enjoyed, Christianity is the base of freedom and democracy. I believe this is the main factor for Chinese peaceful rise within or abroad.
Between “a prosperous China” and “a strong China Communist Party”, which one do you think the Chinese leaders prefer?
a properous china so she will kick lazy america ss
Sure...only after they steal the technology from this country...only a lib media outlet like cnn would cover this to suck up to the reds.
The fact is in China if you are lucky enough to live in a city with a storm sewer system; it is probably your sanitary sewer system, also. If China becomes an innovation nation I say "More power to them". Maybe we can steal some of their innovations for a change.
no need to steal china will sell it to you soooo cheap than you will be too lazy to steal it
There is one more reason for the Chinese emergence – stealing and copying everything that the West invented.
You forgot to mention that even you yourself is a Chinese copy. It's about time that you acknowledge you have a Chinese father who stole your mother's virginity and made copies of himself.
oooo then thank you china will sell you a cheap nylon rope for you to hang yourself
"Innovation" is a catch-all word used to retroactively define "whatever worked." If Joe Schmoe had written a standard procedure exactly like Dick and Mac McDonald's speedy service system, but by bad luck, just hadn't gotten popular, his procedure wouldn't be considered "innovative" even though it was identical to the "innovative" one.
Give me a break! Just because China spends more money on research does not make it an innovation country. What important thing has China invented in the last few decades. Instead, US has invented countless things without which country like China would still be living in Stone Ages, things like electricity, steel making, computers, internet, iphone, aviation, space technologies, on and on. US is not an innovation country? What maotai are you drinking?
How about if I give you my kwok and you come up with a innovative way to zuck it?
Do you realize that a lot of the U.S. inventions are actually invented by foreigners living in the U.S.? Even your space shuttle is a Chinese scientist's idea.
@Maersk
"How about if I give you my kwok and you come up with a innovative way to zuck it?"
wow your so talented with your so words, your spelling is not even close to correct, how about innovating your spelling and repeated phrase to people on this blog.
and by the way the reason foreigners here can invent great stuff here is because the US does not hold people down, this is a immigrant nation, funny how your Chinese couldn't invent this stuff in your own country, you had to come to the USA to do it, so much for innovation and freedom in china huh : )
you spelling it not good even troll above spell better
Yo, get your facts straight. Steel was invented in China.
Pretty hard to form a genesis of true innovation, when the vast majority of achievement has been handed over by willing global corporations, or outright theft / spying ("Chinese stealth bomber, Chinese / Russion spacecraft", anyone?). Appearance of innovation IS NOT innovation or capability of innovation.
Yesman the kwok head, All I can see is that you're a typical and innovative American BS artist. Show us how stealing alone can build you a stealth bomber.
american has the money it buy the scientist with all the facilities now china has the money guess what???
Well at least China's investing in these things, in the US the fundings go to the CEOs.... enough said. The people who are only seeing China as a copycat nation are narrow minded arrogant fools, depite US's deperate situation, they still would rather pick on other's problems....no wonder the boat's sinking.
China is not stupid to do something that is not profit to them. There is nothing is a "free lunch"
Same thing with the US, you know "the war on terror" or oil..... so can you tell me why one is working out why the other's crashing and burning? My guess...well war does not create wealth, business do.... the US is unashamed to interfere in other country's problems/ make them bigger....although in the end it doesn't really benefit the US....
&&& As for the innovation part, how can the US be an innovative nation when it's public school system is failing....? Don't you need some basic knowledge/ideas for new ideas to grow?
What about the free lunch you got from munching on your uncle's dirty kwok?
So they basically slaves to the world? All they do is save money and work. No social life?
Of course they have social life, they are having Joe to munch on their kwoks.
Wow! you are everywhere. It is amazing how you are able to keep up on depending China from every unfavorable comments in the internet. I guess it is your full time job and you have to work overtime otherwise the communist bosses will be all over you.
educate the retard like you is unfortunate a life time job i guess
Can you tell me which country invented compass (2400 years ago), making paper (2100 years ago), printing (1200 years ago), gun powder (1100 years ago)? China never limits anyone to share these MOTHER-of-all innovations, still it took the other countries several centuries, if not thousand years, to learn and master how to use such technology. You can google and wiki, if you are OPEN-MINDED enough to learn more REAL facts:
The importance of these inventions was perhaps first discussed by the British philosopher Francis Bacon (1561–1626), who in 1620 wrote: "Printing, gunpowder and the compass ... whence have followed innumerable changes, in so much that no empire, no sect, no star seems to have exerted greater power and influence in human affairs than these mechanical discoveries." Bacon was likely unaware of the origins of these inventions, and was not writing of the ancient Chinese inventions but rather their Western analogs. However, his writings do show the importance of these technologies to the early-modern European world."
They're all invented by India. China stole them and made them their own. They also stole an Indian board game as well and called it Chinese Chess.
Seriously? All of things were invented in India and the Chinese just stole them all? Do you have *any* evidence to substantiate your outlandish claim? I can think of no credible archaeologist or historian who would agree with your absurd assertion. In fact, I don't even think any Indian would lay claim to the invention of any of those things Peace listed. Plain foolishness.
@Bob, I feel pity on you. I want to help you, may be you can consider to remove your brain from the couch, rise it back to the normal operation level, and try to boot it up for reasoning usage.
A crazy person also has right to speak, please respect him or her.
The Indians are extremely innovative. Just look at the most leathal weapon that they have invented, the cobra that coils in their diaperhead.
By the way, they are also working on a new innovation, an automated finger that will finger their azz instead of their bare hand when they are done. Walmart is placing a big order for such invention because American BS artists love to have their azz fingered anyway.
OMG, please check the fact before you speak. India chess only less than 1000 years, but chines chess is about 2000 years old!!
your try to insult the indian because indian did not invent these thing. your try to say indian so dumb they did not invent these , am i right ? you son of a gun! insult the indian by flattery woow good one.
@Another preoposition,
Hello brother. Agreed. The Chinese who travel overseas innovate because they work and live in an environment that lets them decide what they want to innovate in. There is no 'big brother' telling to innovate this or that because its good for the party.
As with most people, you usually do well in what you enjoy, not in what you're told to enjoy.
Most morons over here are too short sighted to see that the more they shop at Walmart, the more they are financing China's war machine, the one their children will end up fighting to keep the rest of the world safe.
@ObamaReagan,
YOU have no idea what China does to Africans (now being colonized by the communists). We don't hear it in the West because the fad is to praise China because they can force slave labour to build them an airport in a week.
Can you tell me one of the name of the "slaves"? I know most of the African folks in US were descendants of slave, while there is no slave in Africa right now, some may be starving though. Were you confused or you are still stuck in the slave era?
Why yes, just google "Africa China colonizatoin" and see what Africans really think of China, and what intelligent people see, not the idiots lined up at Walmart. See how, not the handful who benefit from suitcases full of cash from China, but real Africans trying to feed their families but only see China ship in Chinese workers to take their jobs, the ones created by "Chinese investment".
This is just scratching the surface.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/IA05Ad01.html
China's PM endorses investment in African agriculture and finance, meaning control the slaves through stomach and wallet. I guess since Europe\America made the same social error, China feels they have to do it too since imitating is what they do best.
@ObamaBush
The west were in Africa long before the Chinese recent migrationt. If the west have done much good for the African, why then the Africans kick them out? (You don't need to google for the correct answer.)
I have an idea what China is doing you. It forces you to bend over and shows you what comming from behind really means. Now can you please be a little more coorperative and bend over just a little more?
for one thing American love to shop . They shop untill bankrupt.
Bankrupt can count as a new innovation in you a nation that go bankrupt like fiji
China will never, ever be known for anything else besides producing cheap, toxic stuffs and counterfeiting.
I suppose that you have already invented an automated finger to finger your azz instead of using your bare hand to clean it when you are done?
you forgeting something.
AND SELL IT TO AMERICAN, go buy it in walmart while you still alife
Seems like a lot of people here has never been to China nor know anything about the country and its people. Instead its back to the standardized recital of stereotypes and political talking points devoid of critical thinking skills. Couple of key facts.
1. Every "innovation" based country has ridden on the back of others at some point of their development history. The U.S. is no exception from this rule. Someone already brought up the post-WW2 era so I won't elaborate too much that but let's just say that Albert Einstein would not have ended up here if weren't for the rise of Nazism in Germany. Moving ahead to the innovation in IT/internet technology during the past 2 decades, that growth is heavily dependent on Asian immigrants, specifically Chinese and Indians. One quick peek at any IT company campus will prove my point beyond a shadow of doubt. In fact, their participation in the science and technology field far out-strips their relative U.S. population percentile. Coincidence? I think not.
2. Regarding the return of investment for "Taiwanese" investors, some of you may need to become acquainted with how many Taiwanese are actually full time residents in China right now, family and all. In any special economic zone where there is a heavy Taiwanese business presence (Shanghai, Suzhou, Nanjing, Fuzhou, Xiamen), residency often follows. Fact is, there are a lot of Taiwanese who are willing to go back to China to set up permanent shop there because not all Taiwanese (not even half actually) want full independence from China. Many Taiwanese (as well as many overseas Chinese) still look upon China as their homeland and wants to return at some point, political ideology and rhetoric aside.
3. The *rich* or *educated* leaving China is a common misconception these days. Indeed, the rich are filing for residency in countries such as Canada, Singapore, Australia or here but it doesn't mean they are actually selling off their businesses and relocating. They usually do this because they want to safeguard their personal assets (incase the CCP changes their policy), education for their children, or to take advantage of the other country's social benefits (Canada is a good example of this). They are not picking up their roots to move shop, never to return. Most simply split time between the two countries they have residency in.
4. The single party Chinese government can actually be helpful in this situation where the nation is trying to do a major directional change. They are not vulnerable to political infighting and bickering which often bogs down if not outright kill the process. The upper echelon of Chinese leaders are not as ideologically driven as some may think. Even the concept of Communism is fluid to them as they adopted many features of capitalism while renaming their official political philosophy, "Communism with Chinese characteristics" which is nothing like any other form of Communism we have seen in history. One may even dispute whether China is really a Communist nation anymore. Now with regards to Chinese leaders, these days (and some may argue ever since the Deng Xiaoping days) they are best characterized as pragmatists and technocrats. Their leadership style is based upon analysis, problem solving and patience. Their solutions are usually not intended as a series of "short-fixes". They tend to take the long term approach over 5, 10 or even 20 years. This is unlike a lot of western democracies where policies are often changed or even reversed because the opposition party won over control. Henry Kissinger went over all of this in painstaking detail in his book "On China".
In closing, go ahead and continue to underestimate China. Many people across the globe have been doing just that for the past three decades and the only thing they have to show for it is the word "fool" stamped on their forehead. I myself will continue to look for opportunities to invest in various aspects of China as I have already done in the past. Allowing for obtuse political ideology to get in the way of objectivity is not something I want to participate in.
1. These Asian immigrants are nothing if there are innovation from innovation of Job, innovation of Gates, and innovation of Internet from the USA.
2. If it is so great between Taiwan and China, Taiwan don't buy weapon from the USA to make China so mad every time they do the business.
3. I am glad that you are aware of CPP change policy as they like.
4. I am glad that you gives credits to capitalism that China also is trying to make copy and make it better.
I rest my case.
1. Right, that's the reason why many students of Asian immigrants are outperforming all other students in our schools. That's also the reason why some universities here have had to put a "cap" on Asian American student admissions so other minorities can be admitted. Never mind the fact the China was arguable one of the dominant civilization in the world from the time of the Roman Empire up until the 16th century. Never mind the fact that during the 1500+ years, China far outstripped the rest of the world in terms of inventions and scientific advancements. You would know this if you had read some history books and became educated on the topic. Until then, I have little interest in your ignorance.
2. Business and economic relationship are the primary drivers behind foreign relations in the modern world. Very few countries are reckless enough to go to war against someone they have significant economic tie with. Buying arms from the U.S. is part of a political game, a negotiation poly, a horse trading poker chip. How naive of you for not being able to grasp the concept that politicians will sometimes do a bit of "acting" in the public eye while doing something completely different in private.
3. And we don't? How many times have our tax code changed during the last 30 years? Are you telling me that our citizens/corporations also don't try to take advantage of foreign tax shelters? Hell, we are the king of offshore accounts on this planet. Let's not even talk about other policies such as the "Homeland Security Act" or "Patriot Act". Pot calling the kettle black.
4. You must be joking. Capitalism is not an absolute concept. In fact, capitalism in the purist form is in actuality anarchy because there is no regulation and everything is driven by profiteering and unadulterated greed. Find two countries in the world that practices identical capitalism without tailoring it to meet their national needs. Can you? What China has done is no different than what any other country in history which has adopted capitalism has done, including us. Way to apply a double standard.
It's good that you rested your case because from what I can say, you have no idea what you're talking about half the time.
You can't rest until your uncle has come. Do you forget he's paid you fifty cents for your innovative kwok munching skill?
are you so kind of lawyer wanna be , most USA politician are liars.
Better stay away from lawyer profession or else you will bankrupt USA as fast as G. Bush the junkies
If you want to benifit American you tell the truth of China.
If you want to fool American you just lie to them about China.
If you have a soft throat you want a hard Chinese kwok.
If you want to be full of it you swallow American BS.
Innovation, my ass. Chinese copy (when they can) and steal (when they can't) western (primarily USA) technologies and ideas, didn't invent a single thing on their own.
If you repeat a rumor for one thousand time it will became truth. Keep going!
It must be Ass-Ache you got they may be you should sleep on it opss i mean sit on it while you thinking
At the end of the day, they're Communists. Not so innovative, is it.
At the end of the day, you'll still be dumb and stuck in the 1950s. People like you takes a country back in time you know, why don't you try learning about other countries instead of name calling, which proves your limited intelligence.
And what are you, an innovative kwok munching machine?
WOW! As always, so much misinformation and emotional rhetoric untempered by logic, facts or reason. I've been travelling to China on business several times a year fro 20 years now. Unlike the author of the article, and most of the people providing comments, I feel I have quite an accurate insight into China. Here are some facts (not rumours)
1) The claim that China graduates so many engineers is completely misleading. The university system in China is extremely inadequate. The overwhelming majority of these Chinese engineers barely qualify for even an Associates degree (much like an assistant engineer) in the Western world. Of the remaining 15% who have a respectable degree, it is assumed that the majority of them plagiarized most of their work, bought off professors etc. At the end of the day, the advanced engineering skills of China probably equate to 5% of what the US graduates in a year.
2) The Chinese will never truly innovate if they don't find a way to protect intellectual property. There is absolutely zero respect for intellectual property, whether they be brands, ideas or technology, in China. Anyone with a truly innovative idea in China would never release it into China because they know it would be ripped off so fast. Note that China files all their patents in the US because they don't trust the Chinese system.
3) Corruption in China is cultural. They idea of take what you can get away with before someone else takes it is absolutely ingrained in their culture. It will take decades to evolve away from this. There can be no significant progress in innovation until this too is brought under control.
4) The Chinese government lies about everything. Most of all, their economic numbers are a complete fabrication. Take for example their debt. Their true overall debt is massive compared to what they publish, but they hide debt in all sorts of creative ways. One example....because they absolutely have to keep the population working to avoid revolt, they keep building gigantic new cities. These are now known as ghost cities because no on ever actually moves into them. The government banks loan funds to build these cities to corporations created just to administer that city. That corporation holds the debt and it's never collected. However it doesn't appear on the government's balance sheet. The hidden debt for this alone is estimated at 2 Trillion dollars. This is only one of countless examples.
Sadly, China is a mirage that will undergo a disaster sometime in the next 5-10 years when the rest of the world finally realizes it was a mirage.
You should worry about your having to munch on dirty kwoks for a living in the next 5-10 years instead because it is not going to be a mirage, it's a reality, just look at how your uncle relies on munching on the Chinese kwoks to keep him alive.
everybody knows your a troll working for the CCP, that's why i always see you spitting your propaganda in these blogs.
the fact is that china does rip everything off from overseas company's, but amazingly with all the ideas they rip off others it would be surprising to note that 99% of those ideas are not improved or increased in quality but actually decreased in quality and features. if Chinese government didn't have anything to worry about then they would let their people have an open society with news and internet, but its a fact that once someone starts lying that then must tell 10 more lies to cover it up and this is why china will never be the great innovator.
with the way things are now in the world Chinese government is living on borrowed time, and that time is near an end, its just too bad that many will probably have to be sacrificed just to ouster the government there just like Libya.
freedom is for all, dictatorships are over!
@freedom to think and speak openly without retrobution
You mean like george bush and the neocon
@HowlinWolves
Whether China is sick or health, China is always my mother.
If you really love China (if u are a Chinese), please do not use that kind tone of voice when speaking about your dear mom.
Very comprehensive and well thought out list. I think its also worth noting that Chinese culture, as I saw it, is extremely averse to soliciting for solutions from lower level employees or encouraging critical thought that challenges the larger organization's assumptions. The managers are seen to have all the answers and it would be below them to ask for opinions from their employees. China's rise has been impressive because of the scale of its development and because there was so much untapped potential lying dormant for so long, but I don't see its culture encouraging the kind of creativity and unconventional thinking that makes places like Silicon Valley hotbeds for innovation.
You are so smart. Yes Chinese goverment fabricate everything. They even fabricate 3 trillin US dollars. I don't know why the US has so many smart people like you and you still borrow these frabircate dollars.
the only truth is USA owe china money
hey china..give us the money to spend ..dont give it to the US...Russia will protect you and give you better technology..US will drain you and provide you with inferior technology only.
Ideologically, China and Russia are at the same level and so knows it well to maintain the friendship.
we are not killer like usa
Some of the points on this board do not make any sense.
1. Why democracy has to be something related to innovation. I think it's democratic USA stole loads of scientists and technologies from Nazi Germany, which is not a democratic country at all. Plus, during cold war, Russia is almost as innovative as US. The problem of Russia is that its population is smaller than the western countries combined. Sort of like what US is facing EU and China nowadays. And there are tons of democratic countries which are not innovative at all.
2. The american media are not telling American public the truth (or technically the whole story) about China's copying story. US is leading all industrial countries to embargo technology export to China and a bunch of other third world countries that have the potential to compete with US. The embargo is to the ridicuous level, a couple of years ago, even the Apple G4 was on the list. Of course these countries will not follow US patent law, because if they follow US patent law it means that not only they can not get products from other countries but they are not allow to build anything for improving their lifes as well. So why these countries need to do it?
The people here are educated to think commies are all bad and cant' innovate. They can't handle the truth.
Some comments:
1. Chinese communists have been changing, they have adopted capitalism in many aspects; how about the western capitalist countries headed by US? Have they not adopted socialist ideas and socialism in some aspects and benefit from so doing?
2. No matter how "evil" acts the chinese government committed, does it make China one of the fastest developing countries in the world?
3. "innovation" : does it have to be so revolutionary as the invention of "electricity", or "computer"? Innovation basically is changing for the better, based on the existing techonology; in this sense, China is doing innovation every day: looking at the phones you are using, the shoes you are wearing, the toys -
Very true. Not all innovation have to be revolutionary. Equating "innovation" to the invention of "telephones, refrigerators, iPhones, and electricity" is an extremely shallow and narrow view of scientific progress. There are so many innovations out there that one cannot see or feel, but that does not mean they don't exist.
Modern China has just emerged from the disasters of Cultural Revolution merely 30 years ago. How can you expect a nation of that proportion to create a Silicon Valley overnight when it barely emerged from the poverty line? How many years did the Western world take to "innovate" the modern conveniences that we see today? If I remember correctly, the first industrial revolution gained momentum after the 1830s and it took the U.S. and Western Europe some 100+ years to reach the type of scientific advancement and living standards that we now enjoy today. So far, China has only enjoyed 30 years of peace and stability.
Things of this magnitude take lots of time and lots of persistence, investment, and societal stability. Rome was not built overnight.
Vasicly china is an innovative country to world over, before their is Made in china and so cheap. most of the people in third world do not have or even seen a light bulb, a radio etc.. because on cheap made in china at least they can owed one no matter how bad quality it is. just imagine people in africa a billion of them subject to western master slave system.
China has turn the world into true socialism and their are no more master and slave. for decade farmer in third world country fare the worst now because of china, for the first time in their life the can enjoy better standard of living because china pay more for their crops. usually US will release so call strategic stock and depress the price and push world farmer into debts.
" rare privilege of traveling in china "...........whaaat.....?
kill inocent iragi women and babies are ok . Mr peace old boy??
HowlinWolves has a more accurate assessment of China than the rest of the commentators here.
Perhaps not in 5-10 years, but China is a catastrophe waiting to happen. I just hope I live long enough
to witness the inevitable implosion.
What kind of implosion? Like the great depression + years of recession + jobless and more jobless + Ohoo, more jobless......
I thought you just saw one. I guess you can live in peace now.
You haven't lived long enough yet. The fact that you might have to zuck on the Chinese kwoks for a living is not going to take 5 to 10 years.
China's "innovation" comes from stealing other peoples' ideas either through immense espionage or educational plundering. I guess they learned this from the Soviets...who paid for the consequences of being a common thief.
What a mockery...
Does China's "innovation" include stealing of your virginity? If it does, how do you feel losing it to China? Do you feel you have a sore azz that requires greasing?
By the way, are you related to Curious George, the fool who went to Iraq looking for a real iraqtion? As a result for his search of a real iraqtion, the only things that are still growing here in the U.S. is unemployment, prison population, national deficit, and Arlington Cemetery.
curious gearge train US GI killer so that he can lead rebel to fight for an independence California
Good article
Hey. Chinese made guns.
How is ANY of this to the "strategic interest" of the United States. To corporations that have bled America dry and now are attaching themselves like ticks on the Chinese dog maybe..... but certainly not good for the US as a whole.
Yes clearly a piece of Chinese propaganda targeted at U.S. consumers. He conveniently neglects to "say in other words" what "the benefits of being able to make social tradeoffs that come with a centrally planned economy" REALLY mean... pollution.....corruption.....executions ... on a scale that if they happened in the United States we would have overthrown our government a long time ago.
As for the "Irony" of his book being read more by Chinese than the U.S. market for which it was intended... well why not .... isn't "borrowing" our ideas what they do best?
I think American capitalist democracy it the best system on earth.
This system has transfer improve and supported china from a backwater into a future superpower. china well come all the world democracy and capitalist to invest here and turn china into the greatest superpower in this new millenium.
china will sell the golden rope to america and let them make good use of it.
What innovations have the Chinese really came up with. Unfair labor practices, poorly made products, censorship of their people.The thing is I dont blame the Chinese. I blame America for the ideaology that cheap is the solution. We have always been innovators of superiority, whether it be in automobile, flight , education, health. Hence our economy stayed healthy due to pride and labor was the best in the world. Now we have a new generation that has the concept of cheap is the solution. We have turned our backs on prior accomplishments and expectations our parents and grandparents have set for us. Its a shame!!!
well just stick to bomb (nuclear Bomb) must be of good quality you can sell it to Iran they wont mind pay a fortune because USA will be their testing ground for the new toy "Made in USA"
Iran must has the bomb but i think they prefer made in USA on this one.
By the way i am very fond of US toilet paper its such a nice design even got US first president print on it.
It's much easier to innovate when you can ignore patents.
It is also much easier to zuck kwoks when you can ignore VD.
Shouldn't you be in class at the middle school instead of at home?
he play football (i mean hand ball but weir they call it football . in us foot and hand is the same apparently just as horse does four feet same as four hand
As a matter of fact I'm at school. I am currently taking a course, an intercourse that is. I want to learn how I can be innovative and come up with a way to reach climax until I don't know whether I am comming or going.
As an overseas Chinese, I can see the future of China is bright and in time to come, she will be the beacon that lights and shows the way for many developing countries. A friend of mine who is a fund manager said the european unions and the u.s. is treading on thin film of financial default. Even u.s. govt have to resort to suing banks ( RBS, BofA,Goldman,JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Barclays, HSBC, Deustch bank , Bank Paribas etc...) to recoup their losses for fannie mae and freddie mac. These lawsuits will go into billions which will bankrupt almost ALL european and u.s. banks. The west does not look rosy at all. There will be more unemployment and home foreclousures. For those american trolls you better take a serious look at your own economy, rather than passing negative remarks about China. God says in the Bible, a pair of diiligent hands rule. The Chinese are very hard working people, they will pull through this hard times. I am not very sure about you americans and time will tell whether the end justify the means. GOD bless China.
The country (USA) needs to pay all the dept it owe's to China otherwise we will be all speaking chinese language in the next decade.
There are a lot of racist comments and China bashing. But let sleeping dogs lie. China is definitely on the rise, economically, politically and scientifically. All the racist chants in the world will not stop China. And when the dragon is fully awake and flexing its muscles, you better be on the right side of China.
I don't think a lot of Americans realize this...they rather point at other's past faults than their own currently problems. While China even with it's own problems is the complete opposite, no interference policy and all.... Chances are before US crash and burn completely...there won't be any respect.
PS. Americans NEED to read Plato's works, then maybe something can be done...
I thought China steals all it's "innovations" from other countries?
and for all the people who go about saying how strong the chinese economy is, how its become very wealthy. Just remember that it is a communist state, and the state media only reports what it wants to be heard. They could be having major problems over there but we will never hear about it.
And probably 80% of the population live in abject poverty over there, anyone up for a peasant revolt? that is if the military doesn't crush it down first.
yay China...
if china that weak how come America are so fearful of china, all the politicial talk about china this china that even redneck like you that suppose to have craw out from a deep hole talk about this nobody wimpy china .
How is that can you answer me?
China has innovated themselves into having 700 million men and 600 million women. Also, this policy is making the population age faster. The next policy will be that anyone at age 65 must commit suicide.
I like the policy that you are suggesting. As a matter of fact, when I get tired of watching Man VS Food, I turn to watching the 24-hour suicide channel to see how people commit suicide. It is so amusing to see those outawork people to come up with innovative way to kill themselves.
This communist country do everything for a show. This only benifit the upper red capitalism in China.
You can't tell me your being able to zuck some Chinese kwoks is not a benefit to you.
What do you consider a benefit, being able to zuck your uncle's kwok?
China is a copy country. Why not copy democracy from the US?
Unfortunately, the U.S. is not a domocracy, it's a demo-of-crazy. Just look at the fact that a fool was able to steal the prisidency once, started two wars that killed so many people, doubled the national deficit, and still got reelected for a second term. You can't find that kind of foolishness in China.
By the way, did Curious George find his iraqtion he was looking for in Iraq?
US stole stealth technology from Iraq. Prove is sadam hussein WMD is stealth WMD. untill this day it still can not be found. it still in stealth mode.
Thank to this sadam stealth technology even US puppet iraqi government still unable to find it. unfortunately the technology fell to US hands
Go China! Number one country in the world! Look at all the people supporting you in the comments thread!
There is a saying: Better steal and copy something good, than invent something useless and bad!
In ancient times China and the Middle East were the epicenter of civilization and inventions. If in those times there were such thing as intellectual property, then the West will still be backwards. Columbus couldn't have made his journeys if he didn't made a replica of the compass that was invented by the chinese, but still he discovered America by accident??? go figure...
There is proof that the rennaisance probably was ignited and influenced by Marco Polos travels when he showed the Italians artwork from China.
While the chinese used gunpowder for displaying fireworks, the west used gunpowder to make firearms, thats where the turning point was where the power shifted, the evil minded west tried to suppress the entire world with military might, with its crusades and colonization all over the world and thus stopped the development of asian countries by looting their resources and feeding the chinese opium, controlling them by making an entire nation a drug addict, wiped out most native americans and forcefully claimed their lands, sabotaged the middle east, trained arab warriors to fight of soviet communism, used them and spit them out like dirt when they were done with them, and thus created the Taliban and their hate towards the west.
Now the time has come for these nations to rise again, to bring back long lost civil manners, now is the time for China to get back their acts and show the world once again, it is a nation of people who can contribute great things to the world!
So tell me this then:
When China starts inventing things in the future, you would be fine if people around the world stole their trade secrets? Or you would just give them away for free? I'll be sure to remember your generosity.
Oh and I seem to remember Chinese nationalists boasting about gunpowder weapons when told they did nothing with gunpowder. Then again, gunpowder cannon and muskets were developed in India then the Mideast and Ottoman Empire before ending up in Europe. But I guess history doesn't fit well with your bias, does it?
if a donkey kicks u,and u kick back. what is the difference between u and the donkey?
no need patend you can steal it for feed but china will make it cheapest so winner is the factory not the office.
China figure that out already by innovate on turbo you ll alway stay ahead lazy just lag
@Anonymous, you are so delusional I don't know where to begin. Italian Art and Chinese Art are two different things. Italian and European art is more complex in every possible way. Chinese art looks like a child did it and it's only one color usually which goes well with the lack if creativity in Chinese society.
As for the compass, well it was made in China that's why it's faulty. Gun powder not no guns. Gee, who invented those? Your arguments are juvenile at best. I can think of two regions where there is a lot of trouble in China and one was forcibly taken. And no, it was never a part of China. Now the natural resources are being taken and the beautiful scenery is being polluted because Chinese people love to throw their trash EVERYWHERE. They have no respect for the earth.
Actually, you're the one that sounds like you don't understand anything, have you ever any studied art, because it sounds more like personal views. There are different types of art, as an artist I'd know, colours, style ect all vary, the fact that you can't enjoy non eupean art suggest your problem not his/her's.
&&& WOW, fallacy, gun powder was originately used for fireworks, but you know what the eurpeans done with it.
ps. GET OUT of which ever state you're in and see the world, and the art works.
"Italian and European art is more complex in every possible way. Chinese art looks like a child did it and it's only one color usually which goes well with the lack if creativity in Chinese society."
wow, Georgina. I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.
how can you compare eastern and western art? you have obviously never seen either, if you think european art is more complex.
stylistically, the two are a polar opposites. european art focuses more on humans and people; chinese art focuses more on nature and man's relative insignificance in nature.
trying to say one is better than the other is like... I don't know, comparing a cake to a sandwich. completely unreasonable.
Geogina are you a native indian??? what happen to jeraromo
uhmerican children, please ....
sing, dance, play with ball (football, baseball, basketball), play xbox ps3 ... etc
20 years later, what do you call a country full of singers, dancers and ballplayers? a 3rd world country
Greatest circus on earth ??
uhmerika #1, phuck china, phuck rest of world, uhmerika always #1
I like the phuck china part
Nice to see the five cent army represented here.
Innovation is not based on democracy , It's based on factory.
Years ago one of my friends living in Hong Kong told me that he had to visit Beijing once every 3 months, otherwise he would be outdated. China is changing so rapidly and so unevenly that many Chinese even cannot catch the pace. When you make a comment on China issues, make sure you have updated information – any knowledge from year 2009 or 2010 is a history.
Guess what, innovation requires DIVERSITY.
China's "diversity" is a 90+%, chauvinistic, Han domination of minorities that live on their fringes of their country. They'll moan about how racist people are to them, but tell them to accept immigrants that don't look like them and they turn into bigots themselves. About 22% of America is immigrants. That is the source of our continuing innovation. And you, China?
Not likely because China has enough people. It's the most populous country on the planet. Most countries when they rise the value chain require low wage laborers from abroad but China won't because she has workers in spades.
John Kao said the book was intended to stimulate US readers on matters pertaining to innovative capabilities. Definitely there are words that would "stir and provoke" the intended readers. Whenever any articles concerning China are on the news...it's like a new Pandora's Box being opened.
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irritated to woman's for nothing ,
Maersk, Communist Troll, abu, Anonymous, fahrenheit451bookstore (and there are others on this forum like you):
If you china-lovers represent the rising, powerful, 21st century wunderkind that is China...If you dimwits are the Chinese "innovators" that are going to make China "great", then no NONchinese nation on Earth has anything to fear.
You are all fools of the ugliest sort (especially the foul mouthed children, Maersk and jean smith)...
And the author of this article about innovation in China is whistling in the wind...
wow so mad at you debtor . But its ok as long as you pay the interest all your life
America will collapse on its own with its increasing uneducated black population and illegal immigrants receiving free aids from the country. This country is divided. Multiculturalism works only if the immigrants are talented and educated. A bunch of fruitpickers coming to your country won't do you any good, but it seems like that's what America has nowadays. The black populations are also increasing, contributing to more crimes (statistically proven), terrorizing their own citizens. Affirmative action ensures more less qualified people becoming "qualified". 1.4trillion dollar spent on War on Terror for almost a decade while China trying hard to develop its economy. The high tech fields in the US are mostly consist of white and asian scientist...(a lot of the asian scientists here are also chinese descents). Before you start mumbling your wishful thinking about China, Americans should really look at themselves. The future trend is obvious, America is in decline. And with that, Russia is happy:)
Considering the population size (PRC=1.34billion USA=310 million) the Chinese need only be less than 1/4 as innovative as Americans to keep up. They fail to come even close. You can't run a civilization like and ant farm and hope individuals will have revolutionary creative thinking in the future.
Do you know what we call scientists and inventors of Chinese descent in the USA? We call them Americans.
Motherland call them steal as much from racist white and come back to china and serve you ancestor home. And don't imitate lazy american its embarassing
Saying China innovation is the same with saying "stealing to become successful is ok". What a way to teach children.
Better than free someone by bombing them right
Opium War,Eight-Nation Alliance invasion were right too.
Troops of the eight countries invaded and occupied Beijing on August 14, 1900. Empress Dowager Cixi, the Emperor, and higher officials fled the Imperial Palace for Xi'an, and sent Li Hongzhang for peace talks.
"Following the taking of Peking, troops from the international force, looted the capital city and even ransacked the Forbidden City, with many Chinese treasures finding their way back to Europe."
An unknown number of people believed to be Boxers were beheaded both during and after the uprising. This became the subject of an early short film.
A U.S. Marine wrote that he saw German and Russian troops, bayonet women after raping them.
In Beijing, Bishop Pierre-Marie-Alphonse Favier posted a bulletin: in the first 8 days after August 18, Catholic Christians may steal life necessities, and declared that robbing within 50 taels of silver need neither reporting nor compensation.[14] On December 14, 1900, a French newspaper quoted a soldier's statement: "We are open to the Church from the North palace, the priests go with us, ... they encourage us murder, robbery, robbing ... we are doing for the priests. We were ordered to do whatever we want in the city for three days, kill if want to kill, take if want to take, and the actual looting of the eight days."
Robbery is right thing the way your ancestors taught you and saw what NATO and US did in nowadays
It is agreed, that the total amount of 21,000,000 of dollars, described in the 3 preceding Articles, shall be paid as follows:
6,000,000 immediately.
6,000,000 in 1843; that is, 3,000,000 on or before the 30th of the month of June, and 3,000,000 on or before the 3Ist of December.
5,000,000 in 1844; that is, 2,500,000 on or before the 3oth of June, and 2,500,000 on or before the 3Ist of December.
4,000,000 in 1845; that is, 2,000,000 on or before the 3oth of June, and 2,000,000 on or before the 3Ist of December.
And it is further stipulated, that interest, at the rate of 5 per cent per annum, shall be paid by the Government of China on any portion of the above sums that are not punctually discharged at the periods fixed.
And I think that kind of money to now can purchase all kinds of copy right.
That is no such a way of stealing or not. Now USA is the top country in the world, so you can said China steal your technology. But can you thinking about 500 years ago, China is the top country in the world, and other countries stolen the technology from China.
Thing will change when time fly. The top country can not be the top one forever. Every dog has his day，so do be so critical.
What have the Chinese invented in the last 500 years? And Americans? Seriously wiki this. The whole article is a joke. Chinese innovation is an oxymoron at the moment. 1.34 billion mainlanders and what do they have to show for it? This is all CCP propaganda.
not much but stupid chinese just has a bunch of us bond which worth same as toilet paper. dumb ccp just got crook by american with their toilet bill. truly not a thing to show for.
Russiapride.
America's problems are not racial.
African Americans have nearly 3 times the Per Capita Income as Russians and nearly six times that of Mainland Chinese. African Americans even have a longer life expectancy than Russians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
African Americans have made more contributions to science than 1billion Chinese on the mainland over the last couple hundred years. (not to mention contributions in the Arts, media, and music that people all over the world listen to)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African-American_inventors_and_scientists
In the past 400-500 years the list of Mainland inventions and innovations is shockingly short. (notice the list after the 1500's is shorter than the African American list)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_inventions
Americans are defined solely by a passport.
Russians are defined by a vodka hangover and a black eye.
Chinese are defined by delusions of victimization and ethnic splendor.
The bear has fallen on it's face in a stupor, the dragon is just waking up, and Captain America is still rocking the movie theaters.
Oh, and by the way, THE MOON LANDINGS WERE REAL!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholism_in_Russia
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92621334
Right on nateium!! Right ON!!!!! And very well said...
I have to laugh that you make references to wikipedia. Most info you find there is unverified information.
American elite are consist of white mainly and they owes china huge money so what can you say about african american? Which is way w......ay under down dowwwn luck
Behind all of the so-called "innovations" is huge squander of money, most of which is footed by the government.
democracy is the worst form of government cos they do nothing except issue blank check before election,lol
To blame others for their own failure that is the American way.
MY RESPONSE TO EVERYONE! YOUR ALL WRONG! INCLUDING MYSELF. THEREFORE NO NEED TO EXPRESS USELESS QUOTES, ARGUMENTS, FACTS, ETC. THE WORLD IS AS IT IS. WE CHANGE, PEOPLES PERCEPTIONS CHANGE, SOMETHING THAT WORKED BEFORE MAY NOT WORK WITH THE CHANGE. THAT IS THAT. KINGDOMS, GOVERNMENTS, NATIONS HAVE ALL FALLEN AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. FROM THE INSIDE OR THE OUTSIDE. There, i've said my part now. haha.
David.
My info is all referenced.
Laugh all you like. You've supplied no info at all.
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@smart black guy, you read a lot about Chinese news but you believe everything thing is true. You sound more like an ignorant fool who believe by reading something about certain race is true. Do not judge other until you truly know them. I suggest you change your nick to " I PITY YOU FOOL"
Some "Chinese" always said that Chinese government do not let the people know the trues, but how did you know what true is without facebook, CNN,twitter?
Outside Mainland China no one is limited to these news sources. We can access any information from any country or news agency in any language. Basically we have all the information in the entire world and in China you have only what the CCP government (PRC) wants you to read.
Which group do you think is more well informed?
Which group do you think is closer to "the truth"?
so where is Iraq & Libya WMD ? In stealth Mode.
You mean jew control new or Noe con double talk CNN counterpart of CCP propaganda machine just that chinese don't listen to propaganda while west think their CNN is truth dispenser. that say a lot about western sophistication mind control machine. Great innovation. the west won the cold war so now everything coming from there is truth? smart westerner or dumb as illiterate
China becomes an innovative country when there are more "Invented in China" than there are "Made in China."
"A LOST WAR" AND EASY ESCAPE HA HA"dear Amercians really i cant understand why u people are so stupid and wasting u tax $,( 400 billion$ can move u in a space in a home), on a war on mountains only, really useless and has no end and reason for u to fight it let them run their own country whats wrong in it they dont wana run usa they wana run their own country which is AFG, although u are intelligent no doubt in it that how can any country act against its own spy agency?can usa act against CIA?can India act against RAW?can israeal act against MOSAD?come on guys be logical we people are suffering more in this war of terror pls try to understand u cant gain any thing by not making Pakistan on yours side u will rather aggravate the situation as u can,t do any thing in the reagin without pakistan be sure about it.even u are a super power guys why u wana create more of your enemies?,have u ever thought that why chines and Russian wana more and more friendly towards Pakistan?they know the geopolitical importance of pakistan and know what pak can do for the reagion we did,t say that we cant act against any terrorist but let the time to be of ours choice not of yours we are already stretched al lot army wise any othere explanation u(my american friends) need pls feel free to ask.thanks
love to Pakistan and love to china and some love to usa if u wana less less
love to china,they are more innovative then any other country, we Pakistani know them more then any body else, they are really hard worker.
love to pakistan and love china.
China's so innovated that they have all the tools today to steal other countries' technologies
But can they also steal oil like american do?
If china can print toilet paper money. it will be way way coooool , Chinese will be as fat as american ss
China-An innovation nation,, but with what intentions is infiltrating PoK!
US should ckk the KSA-P*k bonding-2!
What the poor in China need is American weapon. Let feed them and let them collapse the Beijing. Occupy Beijing, Occupy Shangshai, Occupy Shenzhen, Occupy Dongguan!!! Go for it! Liberty freedom, justice!!!
All what Chinese are good at is hardworking, Actually it's useless. Let's take advantage of it.
All American government partisans should listen up. Sell those useless weapon to Chinese AS MANY AS POSSIBLE. ESPCIALLY THOSE U-BIRD SUPERSONIC WEAPON, SPACECRAFT, NASA WEAPON, silicon weapon, apple weapon, microsoft weapons, ibm, sun system, satelliate, rocket weapon to Chinese people as full as possible, So they will not be hungry any more. win back the us dallor back to americans.
All American are good at fighting with Terrorists, and happy in busy with fighting with them. it's interesting game which all usa good at playing with. why not playing with chinese? chinese is boring except working....
not to mention poor women and children "colateral Damage" criminal innovation
Well here is the link to incest problem in Indian state of Haryana. Can you provide a link to your source instead of creating news from your rear end as usual.
articles dot timesofindia dot indiatimes dot com/2010-08-28/india/28308732_1_minor-girls-karora-village-incest
不管怎么说，我永远支持你——我的祖国！
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I don't think building science parks and so is a proof of China's innovativeness, but certainly "deliriously appetizing cuisine" & a trip guided by the govt will make you think so
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