Innovation war or innovation peace?
September 16th, 2011
08:00 AM ET

Innovation war or innovation peace?

Editor's Note: John Kao, dubbed "Mr. Creativity" by The Economist, is the chairman for the institute of large-scale innovation and author of Innovation Nation. You can follow John on TwitterFacebook and at www.johnkao.com. This post is the fifth of six pieces by John about his recent trip to China. The first post was China as an innovation nationCheck back tomorrow morning at 8am for the last installment.

By John Kao – Special to CNN

The classical definition of a trade war applies to the behavior of two states that raise trade barriers against each other in a tit-for-tat cycle of protectionism and retaliation. The ultimate result is what economists call an 'autarchic equilibrium' - the state of self-sufficiency the countries arrive at once a trade war has burned itself out. Trade wars have traditionally occurred over physical goods such as commodities - finished products such as textiles and the like. But in the 21st century, trading in intellectual property, business models and other intangibles has risen in prominence. It is therefore worth asking whether the stage is being set for a new kind of innovation trade war, particularly between what some have called the G2 – i.e. China and the United States.

Read post 1: China as an innovation nation.

Some have argued that China, given its resources and scale, is now seeking eminence across a complete range of innovation agendas. The 12th 5 year plan certainly supports that thesis. Its ten pillars are: first, a portfolio of special technology projects aimed at breakthroughs in clean energy and deep-sea exploration. Second, expediting emerging industries such as new energy sources, next generation IT, biotech, new materials and new energy vehicles. Third, upgrading traditional industries through innovative new technologies. Fourth, innovation to improve quality of life by focusing on food production, agricultural efficiency and protection of the environment. Fifth, enhancing studies in basic science. Six, fostering young talent. Seven, upgrading the investment infrastructure for technology and innovation. Eight, reforming the technology management system. Nine, accelerating commercial development of technology. And, ten, expanding technology and innovation collaboration internationally.

Whew. Not much seems to be missing here, though Chinese leadership acknowledges they are in catch-up mode. Thus, the question that one member of our delegation repeatedly asked of the Chinese is: “If you develop all of your innovation agendas, what will you want to import from other countries that will enable any kind of two-way innovation-based trade?” The answer back usually amounted to homilies of the “we are a developing country trying to make its way in the world and are not out to eat anyone’s lunch” variety.

Read post 2: Why is innovation so important to China?

A world shaped by innovation rewards those who obtain leverage from smart uses of global resources. China has such some of the key resources, e.g. talent in abundance and its advantages are magnified by the fundamental differences between innovation and industrial business processes. A few key scientists, a few billion dollars, some incentives and subsidies, and you’re off to the innovation races as Singapore’s experience with its life sciences and digital media megaprojects – the BioPolis and Fusionopolis – so clearly demonstrate. Science fiction author William Gibson foresaw almost two decades ago a world in which wars would be fought not over territory or natural resources, but over the services of a talented person crucial to developing a new technology. Leverage from innovation assets, once established, does not depend on size, natural resource base, population or other traditional aspects of industrial scale.

As if this were not enough, to increase its trove of innovation assets, China has shifted its innovation policies over the last five years or so, beginning in 2006 to favor its base of innovation assets. These include so-called “indigenous innovation” policies to foster domestic innovation through financial support, exclusionary practices for foreign technology, and linking access to Chinese markets to access to foreign technology on terms that are perceived generally as being unfavorable to Western or non-Chinese companies.

Read post 3: Chinese innovation – paper tiger or king of the hill?

One particularly sensitive area involves a Chinese policy to establish catalogues of technologies appropriate for domestic procurement. These technologies were required to be indigenous – either developed by a Chinese company or a Chinese joint venture with a foreign company. Onerous requirements for disclosure of technology produced an outcry among international companies despite the allure of doing business in China. This summer those procurement policies were rescinded under pressure from the United States and other countries.

However, China’s ratcheting up of the innovation agenda sets the stage for further conflict at a time when America’s innovation engine shows signs of flagging. It is a sensitive time and therefore common sense is needed

Are the Chinese out to get us? No.

Do they want to achieve everything that is possible? Yes. They are simply pursuing what they believe to be in their self interest and with what one US official described as “ruthless pragmatism.”

Would we do the same thing if we were in their shoes? Undoubtedly. Wasn’t the approach of Britain in the 19th century or the US in the 20th a similar application of pragmatism?

Do we have an opportunity to reinvent the game? Yes. There is nothing that says that the US has to be an innovation cow to be milked by the fast follower strategies of China and other countries. But new forms of “innovation protectionism” and saber rattling are not the answer either.

Read post 4: In search of the Chinese entrepreneur.

Rather I believe there are ways to build engagement between the United States and China for mutual benefit as well as that of global civil society. In my view, the U.S. and China have an opportunity to take a fresh look at innovation together: assess best practices, establish common metrics and frameworks that will allow for better collaboration given the disparity of economic models and the assumptions that underlie them, as well as the importance of innovation as a global agenda.

In the world of 21st century innovation, collaboration is the name of the game. Accordingly, it would be interesting to find or two global grand challenges that one could imagine constructing a kind of blended value chain – China and the United States – to cooperate and focus on that particular grand challenge. Through such a process, I think we would both learn a great deal about what innovation is “for” and harness our two countries innovation engines for benefit rather than narrow competitive advantage. Innovation peace is preferable to innovation war.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of John Kao. Visit CNN.com/Innovation for more.

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  1. USA

    "In the world of 21st century innovation, collaboration is the name of the game. "
    Is there enough mutual trust between the two? Romney apologies for calling China "thief" would be a good start.

    September 16, 2011 at 10:48 am | Reply
    • j. von hettlingen

      Colloboration works well if the parties share the same culture, interests and values. I doubt if a seamless colloboration would be possible between the U.S. and China as both have the same goals but different world views.

      September 16, 2011 at 11:55 am | Reply
      • Choco monster

        Thief is very accurate. China calls patenting other peoples stuff innovating. And they are trying to doninate (not coexist with) the world.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:03 pm |
    • USA

      @j. von hettlingen
      I agree that there a still some fundamental difference between the 2 countries. It would be most beautiful things happen to mankind if both can come to more understand of each other and work together.
      To the American, it is hard to understand why "poison baby formula” that end up deforming Chinese babies even happen. To the Chinese, it is hard to understand why "carpet bombing" Iraq and Afghanistan back to Stone Age and now American is playing Santa to rebuild.

      I think, we overseas Chinese is in a unique position to help.

      September 16, 2011 at 3:57 pm | Reply
      • Tenpa

        It is just not misunderstanding. One is a communist state with totalitirian regime at the helm while the other is a democracy. I am sure with where you are living, you can understand the difference. There are still areas that are in total military control and prisons where tortures are regular. And I am talking about electric cattle prods in the anus and the mouth, beatings till you pass out, starvation, thought reform and the whole shebang that continues in 2011!!You can't trust a country that has no problem rolling over their own students with tanks.

        September 16, 2011 at 5:01 pm |
      • USA

        @Tenpa. I don't expect you to understand China completely. If you follow Chinese history, you will definitely see more mind boggling things like the practice of woman's feet binding, instead of saving life sailors would negotiate price with victim's families while the poor fellow is drowning, etc and all these happen before CCP.

        Put political system aside, there are still many basic differences cultures and moral values between the two great nations.

        September 16, 2011 at 7:04 pm |
      • hoffa

        Its hard for Americans to understand why the Chinese talk about working together but then steal industrial and military information whenever possible. Actions speak louder than words.

        September 18, 2011 at 6:41 pm |
      • Choco monster

        Thief is very accurate. China calls patenting other peoples stuff innovating.

        September 19, 2011 at 12:27 am |
      • Tron San

        1972年,日本著名歷史學家 井上清 Kiyoshi Inoue 寫了 《釣魚島的歷史解析》 一書,該書再版為書名 《釣魚島歷史與主權》。

        在該書中,井上清寫到:

        1971年11月,我初次去冲繩旅行,在那裏收集了許多關于釣魚群島的歷史資料,1972年初,我又利用到西歐旅行的機會,去英國海軍資料館查閱了英國海軍繪制中國南部、臺灣和琉球方面的海圖,航海日志以及探險記錄。

        眾所周知,釣魚群島自明朝以來就是中國的領土 – 井上清寫到日本及琉球在1867年以前實際上沒有一份釣魚群島的歷史文獻。

        與日本及琉球方面正相反,中國有許多關于釣魚群島的文獻資料。

        至少在16世紀中葉,釣魚群島就有了中國名字。如釣魚島、黃毛嶼、赤嶼等等。

        井上清幾乎是在日本有影響力的歷史學家當中唯一一個敢于尊重事實,堅持說釣魚群島屬于中國的 – 這樣絕無僅有的一個例證。

        November 24, 2011 at 8:09 pm |
    • Maersk

      Ronny is Mormon's moron who thinks he has a chance of winning the presidential erection. But the fact that there are a lot of people who have a bigger kowk, the chance of him winning is nil. Furthermore, Oba Mao (not related to Chairman Mao) is known to have a bigger and lengthier kwok than Ronny.

      September 16, 2011 at 8:32 pm | Reply
    • fugunancy

      China is a thief...

      September 17, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Reply
      • Maersk

        I suppose China has stolen your virginity and now you can not sell yourself as virgin to your uncle?

        September 18, 2011 at 12:30 am |
  2. Kailim

    Yes, there must be mutual trust prior to collaboration. But mutual trust bases on mutual understanding, and mutual respect breeds mutual understanding.

    September 16, 2011 at 11:08 am | Reply
  3. USA

    Despite all the China Bashing of inhuman and totalitarian etc, I am sure millions of starving poor would jump for a Chinese style government in a heartbeat rather than their present so-call "empty promise democracy".

    September 16, 2011 at 11:10 am | Reply
    • Tenpa

      Millions will not jump to live inhumane lives with no freedom. they might if they get to be party members, their families or their coteries. But they will immigrate to the west with all the money they loot from China. so, it will basically be the same in the end. keep dreaming.

      September 16, 2011 at 5:04 pm | Reply
      • USA

        @Tenpa
        Do you remember the old news "hundreds Chinese refugees found in cargo container on route to the west"? How come we do hear them anymore? Instead we hear the rich Chinese kids racing Lamborghini in Vancouver?

        Is CCP reality that bad as you said?

        September 16, 2011 at 7:34 pm |
      • Maersk

        Does the "loot" also include the looting of your syphilistic kwok? If it does, what did the Chinese do with it? Were they creative and innovative and turn it into dog food and fed it to your uncle?

        September 17, 2011 at 10:30 am |
      • Tenpa

        it is a fact that 90% of China's rich and influential are the communist party members. Check out the interesting article on forbes.com on this matter where 90% of the richest Chinese are communist party members.

        September 18, 2011 at 7:33 am |
  4. Kailim

    In fact, China is not that bad as envisaged by some foreigners. I think we enjoy more than enough freedom, but we don't have the western type of democracy. Our governments since Deng Xiaoping for the last 30 years are quite efficient and really care for the people's well being, compare to government of Mao. The issue is how to keep this form of government going without reverting to the old days.
    I have stayed in the US and Europe. To me the democratically elected governments there are good at issuing blank cheques and do nothing.

    September 16, 2011 at 11:32 am | Reply
    • Tenpa

      @Kaillim: don't try to sugarcoat the real China here. You have more than enough freedom? Tell that to the Tibetans who are regularly beaten, tortured, and denied justice. Where is the young Panchen lama that was kidnapped with his family when he was five. Where is Tenzin Delek Rinpoche? Where is Runnaye Adak who was imprisoned simply for stating that he wants Dalai Lama back in Tibet at a picnic. Why are you guys so sick to put electric prods into people's mouth and Anus, hang them by their wrist for days, beat them senseless day after day? why do you imprison 12 year old or 15 year old for protesting and putting them in prison for 15 years?
      US might not be perfect but it is much much better than a communist state masquerading as a responsible state. Until China decides to embrace democracy and adhere to the international acceptable justice system with deference for human values and difference, it will never evolve to be a responsible country.

      September 16, 2011 at 5:12 pm | Reply
      • Maersk

        You must be a lama lover who still has a gerbil stuck in your azz. Should I ask Richard Gerbil Gere to help you free it?

        September 16, 2011 at 6:21 pm |
      • USA

        @Tenpa
        I think you have some points but that inhuman practice is not Chinese's exclusive right? We are living in a very cruel world; what you said about the inhuman acts also happen in Indonesia, South East Asia, Africa, Arabs and now the US is also copycat the same practice. In reality this cruelty has nothing to do communist or democracy but purely human ugliness.

        September 16, 2011 at 7:23 pm |
      • Tenpa

        maersk: making stupid statements that has no bearing on my comment is typical 50 cent behavior. What happened to all these people? Those are cold hard facts that still exist today. Lets talk about the deliberate Han population transfer inside Tibet where the local populations are made a minority in their own country with govt. subsidies and higher pay. About 2.5 million Nomadic tibetans who have practiced their way of life for 2000 years are forcifully being resettled into bunker style accommodations on the pertext of environmental concern (which never was an issue for those 2000 years and has more to due with the huge dams they are building to divert water to China).

        USA: of course it is not China's prerogative to be the abuser of human rights and rightfully you included countries that are well known for it for the exception of US. US had problems but it has democracy, it has freedom of speech, movement, right to religion etc that most of these countries either don't allow or restrict. If you are going to be a world leader and not a rogue country like Iran or what else, you need the moral authority to be accepted as such and China is far behind in that aspect. You can't be an innovative country when you don't encourage free thinking and have no respect for basic human values.

        September 16, 2011 at 8:17 pm |
      • Maersk

        Tenpa the lama lover, I am extremely sorry that the Chinese put an electric rod in your anus. Since you did not like that electric rod, would you have prefered Dalying Lama to finger your azz instead? Even Richard Gerbil Gere said that he had to pay 50 cents for a gerbil just to stuff it in his azz, so having the Chinese to service your azz shouldn't be that bad afterall.

        September 16, 2011 at 9:54 pm |
      • USA

        @Tanpa
        No doubt I am very impress with the people, culture and value here in the west; otherwise I would have move back home long time ago. However, in the last 40 years, I witness firsthand the deterioration of value in the west; America is no more the beautiful America I once love and respect. Democracy and communism is just a way of life, its outcome entirely depending on the quality of people it serves.
        Even the God loving German people is hard to face the truth that their ancestors wholesale slaughtered the Jewish people right?
        As the issue of Tibet, contrary to Xinhua, I am one of those Chinese beliefs that Tibet is a Chinese occupied territory which is no difference from American occupied territories of North America, New Mexico or the island of Hawaii. As for the level of American brutality in these occupied lands, I don’t think we need to get into the dark detail right?

        September 16, 2011 at 10:38 pm |
      • Tenpa

        USA: thanks at least for admitting that Tibet is an occupied country because I firmly believe that once Chinese have accepted that, only then will be able to move beyond mutual distrust and come to an accomdable solution. As long as one group denies this basic truth, the situation will continue to deteriorate and will not help either society. Yes, USA might not be the ideal country but i rather live there than in CHina any given day. US and for that matter, most of the european countries were engaged in Colonization in the previous centuries and some as far as the middle of the 20th century, but China is still at it today at his hour, on this day, and this year!! That is the difference. How did mr.Xi Jinping celebrate the 'Liberation of Tibet"? By putting the whole city under military control and tightened security all round, more so than usual, and that is saying a lot. Corruption is on the rise what with 90% of the 1000 richest Chinese being members of the Communist party members or families of the party members as found in Forbes.com by Dr.Lee. so much for the communist about serving the people.

        September 18, 2011 at 7:48 am |
      • USA

        @Tanpa
        Who is Han Chinese? Today majority of Chinese call oneself as Han Chinese. Are we really Han Chinese? In reality, Chinese today is so mix that we cannot say for sure where our ancestors really come from. As far as I know, there is not one Chinese dare to brand as “pure Chinese”. In that note, we could be related?!
        So, this is my take:
        As long as Beijing is doing their job, Chinese people is happy to let Beijing rule and have all the headaches. As for now, for Tibet to separate from Beijing is impossible because majority of Chinese are happy with Beijing and will back them up all the way.
        So my Tanpa brother, wait patiently for your turn; I guarantee you, it will come, for no government is permanent.

        September 20, 2011 at 12:19 am |
  5. G. R.R.

    hmmm. no. China is not our friend. YOu work and trust your friends, not your enemies. We have attempted multiple times to create treaties with them and they continue to cheat at them.

    September 16, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Reply
    • Maersk

      Are you telling me that your uncle is the most honest guy who doesn't cheat on you and fork another guy? Give me a forking break!

      September 16, 2011 at 6:24 pm | Reply
  6. Rick McDaniel

    A trade war or an innovation war, it doesn't matter.......sooner or later, we will be at war with China over manufacturing, and the fact that China is subsidizing their manufacturing.

    September 16, 2011 at 4:29 pm | Reply
    • Maersk

      Aren't you the product of the U.S. government's subsidizing the manufacturing of American BS artists?

      September 16, 2011 at 6:27 pm | Reply
      • blah blah..

        Maersk, You are my hero, LOL.. too many ignorant "Americans" here that they think they know the world and their way is the only way...
        ps, " " They can't even call them self correctly. How can you call a country the name of a Continent? Arrogant equals ignorant most of the time.

        September 16, 2011 at 7:28 pm |
  7. That'snottrue:[

    Again, geez the author really have nothing to do...

    September 16, 2011 at 7:57 pm | Reply
  8. cleancool

    @tenpa, you keep on focusing on tibetan issue, how about the native indians in your reservation in u.s. How did your government treat them. Despite america boast about their human rights and their so called image " democracy ", I have seen some of the native indians leaving in abject poverty without electricity and water, far worse than what the tibetans claimed they are facing. Check it out yourself. Go to Nevada state, see for your yourself. Americans always like to protrude the self righteous image to the world. GOD says in the Bible, there is one kind of people that can never enter His kingdom, is a self righteous person. This description fits your american character exactly. Check out the Wikileads and see for yourself what kind of pariah regimes which your state department deal with. These regimes are far worst than China. GOD bless China.

    September 16, 2011 at 10:10 pm | Reply
    • Tenpa

      Mr.Cool, I am a Tibetan and do not live in America. That should clariy the situation for you. And comparing US atrocties against native population that happened centuries ago is rather disingenuous. Also, I have seen that logic used against AmericANS whenever they try to bring crimes committed against tibetans or other nationalities under Chinese Colonization. One heinous deed does not excuse another heinous deed. some in America might live in abject proverty but they don't live in a country which denies them basic human rights. Hell, Most in China live in abject poverty for that matter then. But coming back to the point of the whole thing: China will not be an innovative country simply for the fact that they are not structured to be an innovative country. It is build on top-down linear carry out my order or you will be facing the firing squad. The minute people become innovate, they also see the farce of the system too which is that the communist party members are the real beneficiaries of the whole system and not the people. Forbes.com just came out with the research that 90% of the richest 1000 are party members or family of party members. most of the college students you see in the US or in other western countries are just sons and daugthers of of the elite ruling party members. I mean, who else has the money to fund such expensive colleges and stay aboard? Only the corrupt rich communist members who live of the backs of the oppressed people.

      September 18, 2011 at 8:02 am | Reply
    • AB

      Chinese atrocities on Tibetans one of the greatest tragedies of 20th century. Chinese have behaved and are behaving like monsters in China trying not only to colonize Tibet, but also to destroy Tibetan culture and Tibetan people. The most tragic part is that by and large most of the world watches Chinese torture of Tibetans passively. Shame on the people who accept Chinese torture without any moral qualms. I am not a Tibetan and I live in USA, and I know what Chinese are doing.

      September 18, 2011 at 11:41 pm | Reply
  9. Margaritaville

    Testing CNN posting response...

    September 16, 2011 at 11:32 pm | Reply
  10. Margaritaville

    Tenpa, you sound as if you are on a good track, idealogically (is that a word)? I also have tried to determine for myself what the Chinese social direction will be for the 21st century.
    Human rights abuses make me sick to my stomach, so I'll say only that as people, we choose to live and act in ways that are moral and ethical, and live by those choices responsibly, and comparing ourselves to China probably won't win us any Nobel Peace prizes, or anything...

    September 16, 2011 at 11:35 pm | Reply
    • Maersk

      You must have forgotten that Oba Mao (not related to Chairman Mao) won his Nobel prize for his continuation of sending the U.S. soldiers to commit crimes against humanity in Iraq and Afghanistan. Dalai Lama, on the other hand, came up with a theory and supposed to have proved that there is such thing as reincarnation. As a result, he was also awarded a Nobel prize. The Nobel prize commitee must have figured that since there are a lot of creative and innovative BS artists here in the U.S., they might as well create a new Nobel prize for those artistic BS artists such as Tenpa, the lama lover.

      September 17, 2011 at 10:13 am | Reply
  11. seamless trade

    I wonder why they don't understand that we need trade to be seamless. Maybe they don't understand seamless yet?

    September 17, 2011 at 4:04 am | Reply
  12. Christianna

    Clean up the planet. Restore Eden. Otherwise, innovation or no innovation or whatever innovation, every Earthling will be a total loser at this present rate.

    September 17, 2011 at 5:41 am | Reply
  13. Christianna

    Americans, beware: The Chinese and Arabs don't care what happens to the planet as long as they can climb upon to be #1. They plan to think after they reach the position of #1. By then, everything will be too late.

    September 17, 2011 at 5:44 am | Reply
  14. Christianna

    Americans, your inclination to blasphemy and immorality has been really bad to your families and to your brains; the reason you are no longer creative. Let China be #1 so they can start thinking about how to clean the planet.

    September 17, 2011 at 5:47 am | Reply
    • Mike Houston

      Here's a "blasphemous" "innovation": Morality is NOT a divine concept. And religions are the keepers (and
      enforcers) of intellectual stagnation. And the Chinese and the CCP cannot produce innovation by decree.
      "Innovation" will only come from truly free, uncensored, bureaucratically unfettered minds whether in China
      or anywhere else...

      Kao and other apologists for China's heavy-handed (and shallow-minded) approach to governance are
      whistling in the wind when they talk about who is, or is not, and "innovation nation"...

      September 17, 2011 at 6:03 pm | Reply
      • Maersk

        Mike Houston the kwok head, in terms of religions, you guys are definitely not creative or innovative, you can't even come up with your own funny man to worship. You rely on worshiping an imported religion of a man who was supposedly nailed to a cross. What you don't realize is that you are worshiping cruealty.

        By the way, I am extremely religious and I worship my goddess. I pray all the time and I wonder if you also pray like this: shi shi shi.......Oh My God...shi shi shi.......Oh MY God! I am coming!

        September 17, 2011 at 10:03 pm |
  15. Mike Houston

    There is one "innovation" the Chinese need to come up with while developing ethical medical procedures
    relative to human organ transplantation: How to clean up the mouths of their brainwashed, foulmouthed,
    nationalistic, children like Maersk. Their attempt to put a rational brain into this dirty little robot has obviously
    failed...

    September 17, 2011 at 4:46 pm | Reply
    • Maersk

      Talking about foul mouths, I don't think there are too many foul mouths fouler than yours around who would even eat Tenpa's syphilistic kowk like you.

      September 17, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Reply
  16. drifter

    Sadly China's goal is to be #1 on all fronts. Since there can only be one #1, will U.S. have the stomach by being #2? If not, true collaborations are unrealistic expectations. Innovation aside, political division in the U.S. Congress has dragged the whole country down further. So until we get rid of the useless rhetoric, work on the common goal, we will see more news of China surpassing U.S. in technology and economic growth.

    September 17, 2011 at 8:48 pm | Reply
  17. David Robins

    As the head of a US tech company ( http://www.binfire.com ), I can say with certainty that China has a problem when it comes to high tech innovation. Math and science could be thought in schools, but to be innovative needs cultural elements and a level of risk taking & independent thinking which some cultures reject. When it comes to innovative spirit, a few countries like USA, Israel and a few others have it, most others don't.

    September 18, 2011 at 5:46 am | Reply
    • Maersk

      The kwok head of a US tech company, if what you said is even half true, can you please explain to me why I couldn't find any electronics at Bestbuy that are made in Isreal or U.S.A.? The only things I could find there that are made in the U.S. is American made BS artists, something that your company makes and they are not innovative products as you've suggested.

      By the way, you would never see me buying American made cars or electronics because they sucks. You, on the other hand, you litterally suck.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:13 pm | Reply
  18. Rick USA

    China will continue to rise because the international community is too afraid to do anything about Chinas theft of intellectual rights of other companies and countries, their lack of transparency in everything they do, their unwillingness to change their currency's weight..... they are heavily investing in every country to establish 'financial dominance' to make up for their up and coming financial meltdown. They have also destroyed their own country and it won't be many more years before they spread their wings and look to other countries to invade by either military means or financial buyouts. Their first steps are peeking at Iceland. Wanting to buy a huge chunk for a 'resort' which would no doubt give them access to another port. All in all.. Our international community needs to step up or be prepared to speak chinese.

    September 18, 2011 at 10:14 am | Reply
    • Mike Houston

      "China will continue to rise because the international community is too afraid to do anything about Chinas theft..."
      You're absolutely right, Rick. I noticed today that they have bought into Canada's shale/oil-sand fields (the largest in
      the world-comparable to all the crude in Saudi Arabia). And they want a trans-Canada pipeline to deliver it to the
      North American west coast (shorter ocean freight delivery to China). That the Canadians may accommodate them is
      very disappointing. Fear, do you suppose? Or corporate greed?
      And you're right about learning Chinese, too. Governments and businessmen will soon discover what "double talk"
      really is when it comes to talking about money or "business". Boeing just recently learned when they planned to
      build their new airliners there. Once the Chinese begin producing them in China, Boeing will be priced out
      of international sales of those planes...When we all fly around on the Chinese planes you'll know that China has
      "innovated"(stolen) damn near everything.

      September 18, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Reply
    • Mike Houston

      How long would it be before we heard Chinese sabre rattling over unrelated issues (Dalai Lama, human rights,
      environment, space...) if anything like taxes, tariffs, or repeal of "most favored nation status" were to be imposed
      on "trade" with China? Personally I'd love to see a boycott of Chinese stuff, but that's way too dangerous, I suppose.

      September 18, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Reply
      • Maersk

        Mike Houston the kwok head, for a kwok head like you, I'd much rather see you girlcott the Chinese instead. Start spreading your legs wide and bend over a little bit.

        September 18, 2011 at 6:53 pm |
    • Maersk

      Are you also a scaredy cat who is so afraid to say anything eventhough your hairy kitten was stolen by China?

      By the way, if you are so afraid of lossing your hairy kitten, why can't you put a chasity belt on it and lock it up? Don't blame the Chinese if your hairy kitten can be so easily stolen.

      September 18, 2011 at 7:22 pm | Reply
      • Mike Houston

        Get out of my country...

        September 20, 2011 at 12:06 am |
  19. Martin

    Innovation for China is stealing, copying and reaping off as much technology as they can from anybody they can whenever they can. The whole country dedicated to it, They have whole cities dedicated to hacking so they can go around the internet stealing anything they can.What is the world doing about it? not a thing because too many rich people are getting richer from it, and they own the politicians. Is probably too late to do anything anyway, too many countries depend on China's cheap products and since they stopped making their own is not like they can just stop doing business with them, so we are screwed, better start learning Chinese.

    September 18, 2011 at 7:30 pm | Reply
  20. Fair is Fair

    We need fair trade not free trade.

    September 19, 2011 at 9:18 am | Reply
  21. sandshoes

    If the US wealthy don't understand John Hobson as explained by Heilbroner soon. And then act on that understanding by facilitating innovation. Thier savings are going to turn into dust.

    November 7, 2011 at 4:38 am | Reply

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