World reacts to America's promised U.N. veto
Palestinians take part in a rally in the West Bank city of Nablus on February 24, 2011 to protest against a US veto that nixed a UN Security Council resolution on Israeli settlements and calling for unity between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. (Getty Images)
September 23rd, 2011
08:51 PM ET

World reacts to America's promised U.N. veto

Editor's Note: Every week, the Global Public Square brings you some must-read editorials from around the world addressed to America and Americans. The series is called Listen up, America!

Israel – Diminishing American power means Israeli leaders have a “small window of opportunity” for an agreement, writes Leon Hadar in the Tel Aviv-based Haaretz.

“The failure to defeat the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan, the specter of a nuclear Pakistan turning into a failed state, rising concerns about the decline of Iraq into a civil war after the U.S. withdrawal, the growing power of Iran and its regional satellites, the threat that the Arab Spring is posing to regimes that were willing at least to accept the U.S.-backed status-quo and the deadlocked Israel-Palestinian peace process − all these are clear indications that the era of Pax Americana in the Middle East is over.”

Lebanon – “Obama is resoundingly and definitively correct when he says there is no short-cut to a durable peace,” says an editorial in the Beirut-based Daily Star. “But the task isn’t impossible.”

“Popular uprisings have broken out in a number of Arab countries, where people have been paying attention to what Washington has said and done. For the most part, they have been disappointed, and they are certainly going to be disappointed by Obama’s latest stance on the region, a flagrant declaration of bias toward Israel and the kind of “same old” policy that has even less value in a year of dramatic change, the kind of change that Obama himself once promised.”

Saudi Arabia – “Et tu Obama?” is the headline in an editorial from the Jeddah-based Arab News.

“In his own words, Obama sought a “new way forward” with the world’s Muslims, reaffirming the message in his speeches in Ankara and Cairo. The U.S. leader squandered it all at the United Nations on Wednesday, in the ultimate betrayal and sellout of the cause of Middle East peace.”

United Arab Emirates – In a pair of editorials, Abu Dhabi’s National says of the Palestinian statehood bid,

“Nonviolent resistance and appeal to international opinion - which greatly favours the claims of the Palestinian people - pressures Israel in ways that suicide bombers and handshakes on the White House lawn never can."

The second editorial adds,

“The Palestinian Authority could have explained this U.N. bid much better, most importantly to its own people. As Israel arms its security forces and settlers in anticipation of violence, there is a danger that violence during Palestinian protests could undo whatever progress is made at the United Nations.”

Australia/Turkey/Oman – “[B]eing on the wrong side of history is never a comfortable position,” writes Australia’s former foreign minister in an op-ed for Project Syndicate, published by Muscat-based Times of Oman and Istanbul-based Zaman, among other news outlets.

“And that is exactly where the U.S., Israel, and its closest friends –including my own country, Australia - will be if they resist the tide of international sentiment in favour of moving now to recognise Palestinian statehood.”

Jordan/Canada –“[I]t is becoming harder and harder to believe that the United States is capable of negotiating a peace between the parties,” writes member of the Jordanian royal family Prince Hassan bin Talal in the Toronto-based Globe and Mail.

“To anyone on the outside looking in, including those of us who are good friends of America, the disconnect between rhetoric and action can only mean one thing: that the U.S. can’t be relied on to guarantee Palestinian rights as assiduously as it does Israeli rights, and that it lacks the heart and moral conviction to be a sincere and impartial partner for peace.”

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  1. lonestar

    I am so ashamed to be an American today. This day officially marks the end of us being the world’s greatest super power and a symbol of hope and freedom to the rest of the world. Yesterday, the most important country of our time politically, that had trusted us for more than 40 years, finally lost its trust in us, and took its grievance to the UN. This is symbolic that the world has lost its trust in us. This means we have lost our reputation, which means we have lost something that took hundreds of years to earn, but is now lost and can never be earned back. This happened because we abandoned the most important principle that we were founded on that, “All MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL", and we let a tiny powerful group hijack our policies by buying our politicians. I can't believe that a tiny powerful group can get a black president to support their apartheid policies, in this day and age. Maybe GREED triumphs over conscience in the short run.

    September 24, 2011 at 11:22 am | Reply
    • Thinker23

      "I can't believe that a tiny powerful group can get a black president to support their apartheid policies, in this day and age. "

      You're right, you should not believe these blatant lies.

      September 24, 2011 at 11:40 am | Reply
    • Chris

      Get a grip.

      1. There will never be peace between Arabs and Jews.
      2. The truth is that Issac was the Abraham's son whom he was willing to sacrifice. Issac's descendents (JEWS) are indeed God's chosen people and just as God promised Israel would be given back to them, so it has been fulfilled.
      3. Some 1500 years after Issac & Ishmael was born, Ishmael's descendent the child molesting war monger Mohammed was born. He started his own book 1500 years after the fact and changed the story from the Jews being the chosen people to the Arabs being the chosen people. Which is laughable but look at all the Muslims today that believe this huge lie.
      4. Arabs hate Jews more then they love life.
      5. Jews love their own so much that they often trade guilty Arab murderers just to get back the body of a murdered Jew. You'll neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvveeeerrrrr see an Arab do this.
      6. Israel exists today to show the greatness of God, not to show the greatness of the Jews.
      7. Israel shall exist till the end of time. There will be no more exodus of the Jews. It's only a matter of time before the final Jewish Temple is built in Israel.
      8. For all you foreigner's as well as fellow Americans that say any ill towards the US for the No vote in the UN you can kiss off. Whatever country you're in you either owe the US your life or you owe us your countries money for WW2 dues. So when you go to sleep at night remember to think the US in whatever prayers you say that WE AREN'T COLLECTING AT THIS VERY SECOND!!

      September 24, 2011 at 12:06 pm | Reply
      • giampaolo

        Holy moly you are frightening!!!

        September 25, 2011 at 1:44 am |
  2. Walter Sieruk

    If the UN gives the Muslim/Arabs who are the people who call themslves the "Palestinians" control and power in the West Bank they would only let the jihadists use that land as a base to launch murderous rockets attacks in the State of Israel. as has been in Gaza. These "Palestinians" are being disingenous in asking "only" for West bank. For in reality they actually want all of the land. So they are making a bid for one part of the land at a time. This is an old trick that goes as far back as ancient China. For example, the in BOOK OF WAR by Sun Tzu it reads ""At first, then, exhibit the coyness of a maiden, until the enemy gives you an opening; afterwards emulate the rapidity of a running hare, and it will be too late for the enemy to oppose youi."

    September 24, 2011 at 11:25 am | Reply
  3. Walter Sieruk

    The West Bank and all of that land belong the the Jewish people. As seen in the Bible in Genesis 28:13-15. 35: 10-12.
    Deuteronomy 32:48, 49. Pslam 105:7-11. Furthermore, the Jews also have all of that land because of the rights of history, as seen in First Kings 4:20,21,24,25. 8:55,56. Thus these so called "Palestinians" have no valid claim to any of that land at all.

    September 24, 2011 at 11:33 am | Reply
  4. GAB M

    Reading all the nonsence, First PLO leaders have failed there own people, By not teach them the true word of peace, They cannot sign a peace treaty because they cannot stand behind it. When teaching kids that Jews are the enemy of Islam
    Teaching them that signs and protests instead of throwing rocks. When Hamas shoots missiles at Israel its ok? The Arab world should understand this if G-D forbid a missile will hit a school and kill school children Israel responds will be very hard, and Hamas hinds behind there own people many people will die. Point in hand there will never be peace in Israel because Arabs will never accept it, only when they do- we will have peace- STOP BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE JEWS AND AMERICA-

    September 24, 2011 at 11:38 am | Reply
  5. Trip Richert

    I have a hard time accepting the Israeli demand that they have rights to lands that currently have a majority Muslim population that Israel has taken through war, yet they call themselves a Jewish state. To me, this could cause, and by some accounts (obviously disputed) has already caused, a religious state that opresses a religious minority. This is an unacceptable situation on a moral level.

    September 24, 2011 at 11:40 am | Reply
    • Trip Richert

      That being said, most experts that I have heard discuss the subject have said that the UN recognition will cause more problems that it will solve. I'm not convinced that this objective is a good one for the PA and the world. We need peace, not more conflict, and peace is not achieved through unilatteral action.

      September 24, 2011 at 11:41 am | Reply
    • Thinker23

      "I have a hard time accepting the Israeli demand that they have rights to lands that currently have a majority Muslim population that Israel has taken through war..."

      Can you elaborate which lands you're talking about? For starters you may recall that Israel offered to return all lands captured in the Six Days War of 1967 to the Arab states in return for peace...

      September 24, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Reply
  6. Deharry

    Someone way before stated the obvious solution to this problem.While the Palestinians apply for Statehood, Israel should be offered US Statehood. As it stands now, the US has to offer monetary support of $4 Billion and provide military protection of Israel, just as it does for any of the 50 states. The exception is that Israel pays no taxes to the US Treasury, has 78+ Senators and 350+ Representatives supporting it in Congress by representing it.
    Statehood would get some taxes out of them and get our noses in the middle of all that OIL!

    September 24, 2011 at 11:45 am | Reply
  7. willard

    I'm belived that mideast. Other county know that presdient obama are keep sercet his of muslims so untied state of amercian will get mockery out of his presdient obama alright cause he is not strongest of his presdient so he is still weak of his presdient. I know that amercian are make playing game vote for his presdient 2008 so he make history of his black presdient. We want get out of presdient obama so he was very dangerous

    September 24, 2011 at 11:45 am | Reply
    • gia

      English, dear. Look into it.

      September 24, 2011 at 11:50 am | Reply
  8. volante

    america is stolen land we live on stolen land n d founding fathers commited genocide we r d ultimate evil usa wers only a mask of peace 2

    September 24, 2011 at 11:59 am | Reply
  9. Chris

    1. There will never be peace between Arabs and Jews.
    2. The truth is that Issac was the Abraham's son whom he was willing to sacrifice. Issac's descendents (JEWS) are indeed God's chosen people and just as God promised Israel would be given back to them, so it has been fulfilled.
    3. Some 1500 years after Issac & Ishmael was born, Ishmael's descendent the child molesting war monger Mohammed was born. He started his own book 1500 years after the fact and changed the story from the Jews being the chosen people to the Arabs being the chosen people. Which is laughable but look at all the Muslims today that believe this huge lie.
    4. Arabs hate Jews more then they love life.
    5. Jews love their own so much that they often trade guilty Arab murderers just to get back the body of a murdered Jew. You'll neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvveeeerrrrr see an Arab do this.
    6. Israel exists today to show the greatness of God, not to show the greatness of the Jews.
    7. Israel shall exist till the end of time. There will be no more exodus of the Jews. It's only a matter of time before the final Jewish Temple is built in Israel.
    8. For all you foreigner's as well as fellow Americans that say any ill towards the US for the No vote in the UN you can kiss off. Whatever country you're in you either owe the US your life or you owe us your countries money for WW2 dues. So when you go to sleep at night remember to think the US in whatever prayers you say that WE AREN'T COLLECTING AT THIS VERY SECOND!!

    September 24, 2011 at 12:08 pm | Reply
    • Semper Fidelis

      Chris your post is really good Thank you.
      I would take issue on one point. You loaned us Brits plenty during and after WW2 and for that we are truly grateful. But at this moment you owe us upwards of $370 Billion dollars so I hope that our relationship with America would be regarded as 'give and take'.

      Can I also mention for the ignorant on here that America supported Israel because they kept the arab world in check for decades enabling America and UK to have their unlimited oil supplies [without which none of us would have flourished.]

      I think we should thank Israel for a job well done. They well paid us back.

      September 24, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Reply
  10. volante

    the world is so lost to think dat any land blongs to any1, a sad state wer in u wuld thnk dat we wuld b above all dis being dat we all claim peace luv n respect as our own so dark r these times i our whole existence is on d line n nations bicker like children in a playground

    September 24, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Reply
  11. svann

    Maybe if you give palestinians a little breathing room they would stop attacking you?

    September 24, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Reply
    • Semper Fidelis

      It would appear that the Palestinians have had 7 attempts at breathing space since they first REFUSED dual Statehood with Israel in 1947.
      Those 7 attempts were made in the form of offers of land and PEACE from the Israelis. EVERY offer was turned down in front of the whole world.
      Hamas and Arab [who openly supported the Nazis] manifestos state quite clearly; they have no wish for peace with Israel, they call for its annihilation.

      Civilized people are a mixed group. Some of us can read English and understand what the arabs are saying' some of us prefer to spout anti-semitic hate for the fun of it.

      September 24, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Reply
      • impartial_oberver

        As a long, long time observer of Worl affairs since the Cold War, and having lived in various countries in my life, I can say this: The arab-Isreali conflict as we know it today (beyond the original conflict generated by the post WWII divison) is a consequence of Cold War brinkmanship and alll wars since the 50's were fueled by USA vs USSR affiliations and the need to secure oil for their economies. The pos- Cold War reality is this: The only agenda behind any and all Palestinian efforts and behaviour (where they keep balking at ANY type of negotiations) is nothing less than a ONE STATE solution: THEIRS. They never have and never will accept the existance of Israel; it's not even a point of negotiation and no Palestinian leader will ever enter any kind of negotiation that will result in a permanent, final recognition of a Jewish State of Israel (if they want to remain in power). They simply CANNOT acept that because they profoundly and unequivically believe that Isreal's land belongs to the Arab people. To summarize: Yes, the Palestinians have refused peace agreements MANY times and will continue to do so because they will not (cannot) allow a permanent, binding two-state solution; As long as there is a status quo, their leaders can retain power and the "hope" of a future unified Palestine with a jewish minority fading-way in it remains possible. Only Hamas has been honest about this goal; Ironically the terrorists are the only truthful ones here, and this explains their refusal to support Abbas' bid at the UN.

        September 24, 2011 at 4:20 pm |
  12. one voice

    I only see anger, rage, name calling, and discrimination in these posts. Nobody can change the past; we can only learn from it and move forward. I agree that Palestine should have statehood. The encroachment by Israeli settlers is very similar to what they European and later US settlers did to North American indigenous peoples. On the other hand, the relgious fueled violence does no good. It only reinforces and justifies the position of Israel and the Western World and denigrates the religion. As far as American power goes, it waxes and wanes like everyone elses, including China. It is time for Israel and Palestine to sit down by themselves and for once try to see the other side's point of view and hammer out an agreement. There must be no interference from any other nation, religious group, corporation, or organization. Their leaders must put their personal political aspirations aside and do what is best for the common good of both nations. Can this be accomplished? Maybe, with the right leaders.

    September 24, 2011 at 12:42 pm | Reply
    • impartial_oberver

      I've found one on-going truth in this World: ANYONE who is in power, no matter what position/rank they are in etc has his/her very own continuation in power as their first and formost goal.

      It is VERY naive to expect or ask for altruism or generosity from anyone who has elbowe'd their way into power, whether it's Obama (already putting his reelection efforts ahead of solving USA's problems) or Abbas (making a pointless UN effort just to consolidate support among his own base in the West Bank). This never was nor never will be about good will, doing "the right thing", making peace, etc. The US will gauge it;s behaviour by its own internal political pandering and national interests, the Palestiniians are hell-bent in an uncompromising, messianic "manifest destiny" drive to be a single Arab country by "absorbing" Israel" over time, by attrition or by violence (that's been their behaviour since 1948, non-stop: Sitting it out for decades alternated with terrorism) and Israel, in pure and simple survival mode will simply do what it has to do to not be exterminated, which WILL happen if the Arab /Palestinian ultimate goal is realized. We should ;leave emotionalism and "peacenick" language out of this for it is IRRELEVANT.

      Either Israel will accept that it needs to voluntarily cease to exist as a the home for the Jewish people by accepting the Arab #1 demand (Right of Return), a VERY UNLIKELY (suicidal) scenario.... or the Arabs (not just the Palestinians) need to resign from any hope or expectation of "re-absorbing" Israel by repopulating it with Arabs. This is also unliekly because the Palistinian leadership will do whatever it can to remain in power, just like all governments have done throughout history. Summary: NOTHING the UN can do will change this equation, and Abba;s UN dog-and-poney show was a Las Vegas act for his own political benefit back in Ramallah.

      It's a stalemate situation where unless the Arabs "give it up" and truly and permanently accept a two-state solution (which they have NOT by systematically ignoring any and all peace talks over the past 30 years) or unless Israel suddenly decides to commit suicide on a biblical scale (hence it's nukes) , This situation will remain a constant, ebbing open wound until some outside "game changer" forces one of these two "solutions" where one party WILL HAVE TO LOSE catastrophically. This is my objective thought on the topic. Optimistcally now, I have "hope" that new Arab leadership in various countries financing the palestinians will, over time, "let go" of the Right of Return because then AND ONLY THEN will this whole mess be settled.

      NOTHING the isrealis will do or not do will bring the Palestinians to an honest attempt at settling this situation short of the Isrealis giving-in on the Right of Return, which would be a renactment (VERBATIM) of Jews being marched to the showers at Auschwitz believing that no harm would come to them. Everyone understand this please: This will not happen, ever, not without an all-out war of survival fought to the last drop of israeli blood.

      It doesnt matter who you think is "right", that you hate Jews as invaders or derride Arabs as terrorist brutes; This IS the situation (as I see it) and there is very little room for "negotiations". One of the two parties have to give on that one key issue, and trust me, it will not EVER be the Israelis (would you?).

      September 24, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Reply
      • Thinker23

        Kudos! I would not be able to say it better myself...

        September 24, 2011 at 7:10 pm |
  13. Semper Fidelis

    What on earth is wrong with CNN? Headline "World reacts to US veto" Then proceeds to print only Muslim comments from different areas.

    CNN also produced a picture and vast detail od Abbas' speech. With only a tiny mention of Netanyahu [who I reckon gave the speech of his life] And I'm not Jewish. I'm an English/Irish Catholic, before you start!

    Verdict:- Journalism as I understand it ["To give an unbiased account"] is DEAD at CNN.

    I'm going back to BBC, NBC and FOX news. They report accurately. Anyone but CNN.

    September 24, 2011 at 12:56 pm | Reply
    • dr seuss

      Good, Fox is where you belong.

      September 24, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Reply
  14. Socrates

    Palestinians and Israelis. Have you realized that you hate and fight with each other for more than 2000 years because of the stupid religion for stupid uneducated people who believe in something that you have never seen? Do you realized how stupid both of you look and sound? And there is nothing you can do about it because religion is so deep inside your minds like a cancer that you can't think straight. Poor religious Palestinians and Israelis, you will hate each other for the rest of the existence of both countries just because you believe in stupid things that you have never seen. Do you realized how stupid and idiotic are your lives? Good luck and don't forget to go to your churches and pray to that thing that you have never seen. Please learn on how to leave in peace with each other, it might take you another 2000 years but, it is never too late.

    September 24, 2011 at 1:05 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Socrates... Calling everyone "stupid" works at a kindergarten level but it is not really effective at the elementary school where kids expect something more substantial, genius. Maybe, you should consider going to elementary school?

      September 24, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Reply
  15. volante

    u blindfold yerselves with ignorance, civilized we r not

    September 24, 2011 at 1:27 pm | Reply
  16. Shanin

    Why are we supporting Israel? We don't have jobs because all our money is going to Israel, building them houses. I want to let the Israelis know that Americans are not supporting you and only the American government is supporting you! Building Israel means building a place for the U.S. to take over the middle east and this not human rights.

    September 24, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Reply
    • outcastjew

      No... our jobs are being outsourced to asia (india/china) and money is being spent overseas like buying products made in china which fuels their economy. also illegal immigrants are sucking money up from the welfare system which i am not trashing, just the illegals i say deport them all... have the get back in the lunch line and wait for their greencard or work visa

      September 24, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Reply
    • gia

      RIGHT ON! More than ever, our resources need to be spent at home. This guy's response about illegals and outsourcing is partially correct, but incomplete. We must also stop funding Israel. Let them figure out their own way.

      September 24, 2011 at 2:34 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Shanin: Why are we supporting Israel?

      The answer is pretty simple: the alternative of supporting Israel is supporting Al Qaeda, Hamas and their ilk. Most Americans believe that it's not a good idea.

      September 24, 2011 at 2:37 pm | Reply
  17. micah herman

    will you continue to hide behind your children teach them to blow them selves up for your cause hide in schools and hospitals to train terrorists hide in your church and defy allah and his teaching you dont want a state you want a place to train little children to hate and destroy them selves make peace realize we all want peace do you

    September 24, 2011 at 2:43 pm | Reply
  18. dr. G

    who are he terrorists? The Muslim world-we see it every day. Why make peace with them Never again

    September 24, 2011 at 2:44 pm | Reply
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    September 24, 2011 at 3:03 pm | Reply
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    September 24, 2011 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  21. the volunteerwino

    Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

    9Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.

    10This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.

    11For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.

    12Therefore thou shalt speak unto them this word; Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine: and they shall say unto thee, Do we not certainly know that every bottle shall be filled with wine?

    13Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.

    14And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

    15Hear ye, and give ear; be not proud: for the LORD hath spoken.

    16Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness.

    17But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the LORD's flock is carried away captive.

    18Say unto the king and to the queen, Humble yourselves, sit down: for your principalities shall come down, even the crown of your glory.

    19The cities of the south shall be shut up, and none shall open them: Judah shall be carried away captive all of it, it shall be wholly carried away captive.

    20Lift up your eyes, and behold them that come from the north: where is the flock that was given thee, thy beautiful flock?

    21What wilt thou say when he shall punish thee? for thou hast taught them to be captains, and as chief over thee: shall not sorrows take thee, as a woman in travail?

    22And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare.

    23Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

    24Therefore will I scatter them as the stubble that passeth away by the wind of the wilderness.

    25This is thy lot, the portion of thy measures from me, saith the LORD; because thou hast forgotten me, and trusted in falsehood.

    September 24, 2011 at 3:22 pm | Reply
  22. Carl in VA

    ....Excuse me Does anyone know if Canada is currently accepting applications for citizenship? Sheesh*

    Remember when we were a younger country thriving on noble intentions and honorable actions? When a promise was not mere words, but a testament of character that had a full pledge of unwavering support from all? Remember.... never mind-– now we ALL beat our chests claiming to have more insight and a better idea on every topic. So much for humility.

    If we had true leadership, the tough matters would be our first focus: Our OWN problems! (before meddling elsewhere) and becoming someone elses problem, or the blame for theirs* God, spare us from your wrath. We know not – – –

    September 24, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Reply
  23. the volunteerwino

    Barukh ata Adonai Eloheinu Melekh ha-olam, bo’re p’ri ha-gafen.

    September 24, 2011 at 3:56 pm | Reply
  24. Amer

    This is a quote from the declaration of independence of the United States:

    "The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world:

    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only."

    The US and Israel are concerned that upgrading the status of palestine in the UN will give palestinians access to international judicial bodies such as the International Court where they can sue Israel for crimes.

    September 24, 2011 at 4:12 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Amer... Upgrading the status of Palestine will mean recognition of Palestine as a STATE by the UN and its members. It will be pretty comical to watch the world recognizing the Palestinian state and the Palestinians REFUSING to recognize themselves. On the other hand, the day the Palestinians will UNILATERALLY declare statehood the newborn Palestinian state will find itself AT WAR with Israel and will give Israel EVERY RIGHT to end the war by FORCING the Palestinians to surrender. This is the main reason Palestinians REFUSED a Palestinian state in the past and will have to refuse it now... even if their request will be approved by the UN.

      September 24, 2011 at 6:30 pm | Reply
    • b

      u truly believe those nonsense you wrote? Israel been condemned so many times that a law suit is what scares her? come on ! why aren't you referring the Palestinians refusal to accept a Jewish state? the Jews don't have that basic right? the Israelis are accepting the Palestinians right to their own state but they demand the same recognition from the Palestinians.

      September 25, 2011 at 1:35 am | Reply
      • b

        my reply was referred to Amer ...

        September 25, 2011 at 2:58 am |
  25. greg

    I always get a kick out of reading these messages.

    That being said, both sides have likely done abhorrent things in the past to each other, and anybody who claims to be "right" or "wrong" about anything just doesn't "get it".

    I think the only thing that can be said here is that both sides need to get over the past. Bad stuff has happened to every nationality in the past, but if everyone lives by constantly holding grudges, true progress can never be made. Were people not so stubborn, perhaps new grounds could be made, but in the foreseaable future that's not going to be happening.

    And for the love of god, this is the internet. Nobody actually is going to be influenced by anybody's random babblings on here, and nobody cares how well informed you are or aren't. Ignorant people are going to be ignorant, regardless of what anybody says.

    September 24, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Reply
  26. Fred Mertz

    The Mubarak stooge of the United States is gone. The anger by the people of Egypt has been released, along with the anger by the people of Turkey against Israel.

    It came to a head last year when the Israel IDF fired 31 bullets, and shot the nine Flotilla workers. There were no weapons found on the flotilla. Then the Cover-up of the murder seems to be the only thing on Israel’s agenda. You think climbing on board and killing people was a better way than to just inspect the shipment? Do you think people are stupid and can't tell the difference between right or wrong?

    As America becomes the only backer of Israel from some long standing misguided allegiance, America's standing in the world also takes a hit and diminishes.

    America is broke, both financially and morally. Obama has followed the same failed pro-Israel policy of Bush and the NEOCONS. We can no longer project power with our National Debt which will cause cut backs in our military and foreign aid. Israel needs to make peace and relinquish its hold on Palestine and the West Bank occupation.

    September 24, 2011 at 4:21 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Fred Mertz... Can you elaborate on the ways Israelis could "inspect the shipment" without "climbing on board"? I'm all ears...

      September 24, 2011 at 6:33 pm | Reply
      • abu

        Israel have no right to stop the ship for inspection in the first place. It is an act of terrorism.

        September 25, 2011 at 4:14 am |
  27. bezerkur

    america is not going anywhere. in these conflicts america has barely used its capabilities. yes economy is bad. yes people are whinning. yes people want change. however if the rest of the world feels the U.S is failing and weak and is going to repeat history ergo Rome, then you need to wake up from your dream. the U.S has the most powerful military in human history. be thankfull we dont follow the delusional visions of dictators.

    September 24, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Reply
  28. Sam Sapirstein

    Lets forget the assumptions, the history, the bad feelings, and the nuance-killing rhetoric employed by ideologs on both sides. Instead, let's consider current history. Since the Fatah-Hamas conflict of 2006, Fatah and Abbas have helped to secure Israel's eastern border. Since Hamas left the West Bank, no threats to Israeli security have eminated from there. Both sides have even quietly cooperated on some security issues. Since 2006, Israel has been threataned by Hamasian Gaza to the west, and Hezbollah in Lebanon to the north. The Palestinian Authority could have encouaged its own brand of terrorism, but has not.

    The fact of the matter is that Israel has repayed West Bank efforts at rapproachment with more settlements and more chauvinism. To hear Netanyahu speak, you might think that the settlements guarantee Israeli security. They do not. But even if they did, you will notice that those settlements are being built in the friendly(er) West Bank, and not in Gaza where the security threat is greatest. Either way, it makes no sense from a security standpoint.

    The message appears to be that the current Israeli government is aggresive and expansionist (though on whose behalf it is unclear, since most settlers are religious nuts directly transplanted from Brooklyn, as opposed to housing-deprived Israeli natives). The grim truth of this current historical condition cannot be cancled out by anything on the laundry list of past wrongs spewed by the hateful robots that regularly play in this terrible arena. As long as conservatives like Bibi and Lieberman stay in power, they will purposefully deny the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah any reason to recognize Israel, for RECENT history tells us that appeasing the CURRENT Israel will only result in opportunistic aggression.

    The settlements must go. End of story. There is no other option. This is what Israel must give up in order to achieve peace. If it cannot give on the settlements, it cannot give at all.

    If you come swinging at me with "you're a self hating Jew!" or "but in 1967!" then you already know that I am right, and you are wrong.

    September 24, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Sam Sapirstein... If you believe that Hamas is the ONLY Palestinian terrorist organization you're badly mistaken. There are many other organizations of mass murderers both in he West Bank and Gaza. The main reason the number of terrorist acts against Israelis dropped is NOT absense of terrorists in the West Bank but presence of the security wall/fence preventing them from entering Israel. Further, I doubt that even YOU will argue that removing the settlements will bring peace meaning that the settlements are (at best) IRRELEVANT to the peace process. On the other hand, removing settlements IN RESPONSE to Palestinian terrorism will prove (correctly) that terrorism works and that more terrorism will work even better making it painfully obvious that removing the settlements will result in INCREASE of terrorist activities. Don't take me wrong, settlements can and will be removed in full accordance with the terms of the future peace agreement just like they were removed from Sinai... and the best possible reason for the Palestinians to recognize Israel is PEACE NEGOTIATIONS they can not (at least, technically) have with a NON-EXISTING partner. This means that if and when the Palestinian leaders will be ABLE AND WILLING to make peace they will stop violence, recognize Israel and ask for peace negotiations.

      September 24, 2011 at 6:43 pm | Reply
  29. AaronM893

    you all need to read the bible and get your heads outta the sand. This may very welll be the true rapture as the book of revelations itself talks about. If palestine gets a state of israel that is it my friends. all im saying is you better start praying.

    September 24, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Reply
  30. KB3LVP

    Just wondering after Abbis gets his state how long before Hamas takes over Palistine and we have a new Mid-East War . Nobody can see this happening yet it will occur and then what will the UN do to stop the war probably nothing. The UN is biased against Isreal. and so is the whole world.

    September 24, 2011 at 5:38 pm | Reply
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