October 12th, 2011
02:00 PM ET

Questions about the alleged Iranian plot

A number of Iran analysts are expressing doubt over the alleged plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador to the United States. Here are some excerpts:

Former CIA operative Bob Baer expressed his skepticism about the allegation that Iran was behind the plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Robert Baer is a former Middle East CIA field officer and TIME.com's intelligence columnist.  He is also the author of See No EvilThe Devil We Know and The Company We Keep. Here's what he had to say:

"There are very few groups operationally better than Iran’s Quds Force. They know what they are doing. The only proxies they use are ones they’ve vetted. They don’t let their own citizens get involved. They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims. It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed."

"So why were they all of a sudden so sloppy? Why would they take this risk now? Who cares about Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Ali Jaber, anyway? He’s not a royal. He’s probably not the main interlocutor between the United States and Saudi Arabia. Why not go for Saudi Prince Bandar in London? Many other targets would serve Iranian interests better."

"Everybody is looking for evidence that there is going to be a confrontation with Iran. Everybody is jumping on this as a sign of conflict to come. But there are many questions here that need to be answered."

Gary Sick is a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s Middle East Institute and an adjunct professor at the School of International and Public Affairs. Sick served on the National Security Council under Presidents Ford, Carter and Reagan. He was the principal White House aide for Iran during the Iranian Revolution and the hostage crisis. In the following blog post, Gary Sick reiterates some of Baer's questions: 

"I find this alleged Iranian plot very hard to believe. In fact, this plot, if true, departs from all known Iranian policies and procedures. To be sure, Iran has plenty of reasons to be angry at both the United States and Saudi Arabia. They attribute the recent wave of assassinations of physics professors and students, as well as the intrusion of the Stuxnet worm, to the U.S. and Israel. And the king of Saudi Arabia is reliably reported to have called for the U.S. to bomb Iran."

"Iran has reportedly been involved in past assassinations in Europe and bombings in Argentina and elsewhere. But the assassinations were of Iranian counter-revolutionaries in the 1980s, and the bombings were always carried out by trusted proxies — normally a branch of Hezbollah. Iran’s fingerprints were always concealed beneath one or more layers of disguise."

"Iran has never conducted — or apparently even attempted — an assassination or a bombing inside the U.S. And it is difficult to believe that they would rely on a non-Islamic criminal gang to carry out this most sensitive of all possible missions. In this instance, they allegedly relied on at least one amateur and a Mexican criminal drug gang that is known to be riddled with both Mexican and U.S. intelligence agents."

"Whatever else may be Iran’s failings, they are not noted for utter disregard of the most basic intelligence tradecraft, e.g. discussing an ultra-covert operation on an open international line between Iran and the U.S. Yet that is what happened here. Perhaps this operation is just as it appears. But at a minimum both the public and the Congress should demand more detailed evidence before taking any rash or irreversible action. If Iran is really as stupid and as incompetent as this case implies, then perhaps they are their own worst enemy and not the clever and determined adversary that they are made out to be."

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  1. mojacar

    might have something to do with the venezuela -iran , iran -china , iran russia blossoming romances as well as the ongoing need to get real estate for more u.s bases in the neverending israel saga .
    if this turns out to be a sting operation gone wrong lends more credibility to the lunatic fringe theorists about who realy set up the 9 11 stuff

    October 12, 2011 at 8:40 am | Reply
    • j. von hettlingen

      According to Robert Baer, a certain agent provocateur had set this up to stir up bad opinion against Iran? Well the U.S. would look foolish if it bought this story! Nothing surprises us in these days!

      October 12, 2011 at 11:30 am | Reply
      • ohthatchar

        I smell a big, false flag, here. I could tell Holder was lying before the words got out of his mouth.

        October 12, 2011 at 1:54 pm |
    • iShepherd

      Look up: Lavone Affair. and look up: operation Northwoods

      October 12, 2011 at 11:33 am | Reply
    • Fat Jeff

      Sounds like the US is trying to start another fake war under false pretenses like they did in Iraq.

      October 12, 2011 at 12:18 pm | Reply
      • dan

        If that were true, wouldn't a war be more justified if the bombings succeeded rather than by stopping them?

        October 12, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
      • Rabble Rabble

        It also would have been a better idea to show it as an attack on an American as opposed to a Saudi ambassador that the people know little about. I'm not sure what to make of this yet, but I don't think it's as cut and dried as you say it is.

        October 12, 2011 at 12:33 pm |
      • Josh

        @dan You're right about that. And the commenter after you is right to be skeptical about why they'd go for Saudis instead of Americans. Then again, that could be explained by the geographic position that SA has with respect to Iran, and how that would benefit us by them allowing us to have more bases there. They also hate Iran, so... But my thing is, why is the US reacting so strongly to something Eric Holder himself said "could not be tied to the higher echelons of the Iranian government"? Given that, how is "no options are off the table" a proportionate response? There's definitely something wrong here. No evidence to say it was staged, but at the very least, it seems there was either a misattribution of blame or at the very very least, an excessive quickness to divvy out the blame.
        Also, I find something wrong with the idea that the Quds would use Mexican drug cartels as their hit men. I find something even more wrong with the idea that they just so happened to get an informant instead of the real deal. What are the odds? The story is littered with plot holes.

        October 12, 2011 at 1:04 pm |
      • steven

        So true, we're already on the edge of bankruptcy. Why not destroy another country & rebuilt it with taxpayer money. We can print more. 🙂

        October 12, 2011 at 1:45 pm |
    • Betty

      This sounds like another, in a long line of arrests that have been made recently, of the intelligence agencies finding a vulnerable person with the propensity but not the means to attack, then providing them with the means, followed by an arrest.

      October 12, 2011 at 12:31 pm | Reply
      • flashinpan

        Are you insinuating that there's something wrong with that? It sounds OK to me...

        October 12, 2011 at 3:41 pm |
    • gerr

      America's "lunatic fringe" conspiracy story tellers are clones of the Iranian president. Proud and persistent in their public stupidity.

      October 12, 2011 at 12:44 pm | Reply
      • Dude

        Actually gerr. Those of us who don't trust the government have more real-world experience. We've run businesses or had enough run ins over the course of our life to see corruption in the government. We are less naive and insolated by a fantasy world where the government does no wrong. Wake up and except that the most educated most experienced people in this world, especially the wealthy, have zero trust of the U.S. government.

        October 12, 2011 at 2:34 pm |
    • steven

      I think its our own secret ops trying to pull a fast one. Remember when Iran had their first elected president it was the CIA who helped get rid of him. U.S. needs something to keep people's minds off the economy what better way than blame someone else for something you did.

      October 12, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Reply
  2. coder

    the CIA is still trying to figure out how the russian's got into afghanistan..... so the doubt casted now, really means – they still have no idea what's going on in the world around them.... its a shame really, so much power and such pathetic goals

    October 12, 2011 at 8:40 am | Reply
    • really?

      Really? Coder, are you that naive? You highly underestimate our intelligence services and what their agenda is, their agenda is to protect your ass....

      October 12, 2011 at 9:55 am | Reply
      • DavidtheDoubter

        I really don't trust our CIA or the Bush administration OR the Obama administration. This sounds very fishy, maybe the Zionists want war between the US and Iran! Maybe our own MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX doesn't want to see the defense budget cut, or maybe THE OIL COMPANIES NEED TO REINFLATE THE PRICE OF GAS.
        I for one do not believe the Iranians are this stupid, but our CIA – yea, I'd believe they are this stupid or this dishonest. They failed to warn us about 9-11, they've under-estimated the resolve of the enemy, heck they couldn't even find Osama, well maybe they LET HIM LIVE to keep the 10 year war going.
        An organization like the CIA is only good at feathering their own nest and under-mining the democratic traditions of this country.
        They failed against Cuba, repeatedly, what is to say they have gotten any better?

        October 12, 2011 at 10:34 am |
      • KJ

        I completely agree with you, "Really" Intelligence group are always looking for a way to do things differently! This is a very dumb article from what I thought was an intelligence man.

        October 12, 2011 at 10:37 am |
      • jamesjoaozinho

        If you have any clue about the history of our intelligence agencies. They've done everything except protect. Most of their actions have been about removing leaders who don't match with our economic goals. You must be a pure idiot to comment like you did. Pick up a few books before assuming that U.S. intelligence has anything to do with protection at all. This whole thing with this plot is bogus. It is an obvious created distraction to divert attention away from the Occupy Wallstreet Protests. Duh!

        October 12, 2011 at 10:44 am |
      • @really

        You should really learn to read...

        @KJ "I thought this guy was an intelligence man" um.... he was... A guy that actually worked in the CIA comes out and tells you what is going on in the CIA and you respond with "This is a very dumb article from what I thought was an intelligence man." I swear to god you'll be happier in life if you at least try to educate yourself.

        October 12, 2011 at 10:58 am |
      • Jean Sartre, Milwaukee, WI

        I'll protect my own ass, thank you... don't need any silly CIA creep to do that!

        October 12, 2011 at 12:37 pm |
    • Elaine Connelly

      coder: You must be an Obama supporter, after all he is a muslim. They are allowed to lie, obfuscate, pull in foolish idiots like you. Liberal Troll, that's what you are.
      I would much rather have a next door neighbor that is a CIA agent than some foolish little boy/girl like you.

      October 12, 2011 at 12:29 pm | Reply
      • RAybee

        Elaine Connelly, you are an idiot! Obama is NOT a muslim, if he was he would have been killed for attending a Christian Church, you must be a birther also.

        October 12, 2011 at 12:43 pm |
      • Kristi

        RAybee, u r sooooo we tah did!

        October 12, 2011 at 12:54 pm |
      • RJ888

        Elaine, you are a great example of the severely flawed education system in this nation. Educate yourself before posting!

        October 12, 2011 at 1:30 pm |
      • steven harnack

        You are either a howl-at-the-moon crazy person or you do a fantastic immpression of one. I'll bet that you talk to your television too, right?

        October 12, 2011 at 1:42 pm |
  3. T

    Most people don't believe the government anymore and feel like stories like these are no more than propoganda to justify our police towards Iran.

    The government has lost all credibility during the past 10 years with all the Yellow alerts, WMD, Al Qeda in Iraq, etc etc. No one believes anything our our government says. If CNN is not careful, no one is going to take what they say serious in the future either if they keep reporting this kind of garbage....

    October 12, 2011 at 8:51 am | Reply
    • James

      Agree with you completly. It seems americans like you are waking up to the nonesense. Right down from when Roosevelt provoked Germany's declaration of war right up to the Iraq war. Americans have been living a LIE.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:01 am | Reply
      • Boy Genius

        James, where did you learn about history? Germany attacked Poland in 1939. United States entered WWII in December 7,1941. How did Roosevelt provoke Germany ?

        October 12, 2011 at 11:45 am |
    • Cynic

      I agree with you completely, but I do have a question. Someone takes CNN seriously now?

      October 12, 2011 at 10:15 am | Reply
    • DavidtheDoubter

      I agree with you, the oil companies see the middle east as a great place to stir up trouble (keep that price of crude high because of the uncertianity), either that or the Zionists want an excuse to bomb Iran.
      Either way, this is just too fishy.
      The Irans might be nasty but I don't think they are this stupid.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • TrueBeliever

      Agreed. How stupid do they really think EVERYONE in the US really is? Yes, there sure are a lot of sheep that just don't want to know what is going on around them, but not all are. I don't believe the propaganda. I knew a gentleman that worked for the Army releasing "altered" information and if the public really knew...

      October 12, 2011 at 10:59 am | Reply
    • iShepherd

      Look up: Lavone Affair and look up: operation Northwoods

      October 12, 2011 at 11:35 am | Reply
    • Anon

      I know from first hand experience that there are many liars and corrupt prosecutors in the upper echelon of the U.S. government. Honest people can't survive in this environment. You have to bring so many cases, and uncover so many plots each year, that unless you fabricate most of your cases, you don't make your bonuses. There isn't enough crime to go around and there's high quotas in the CIA, DOJ, SEC, FDA, IRS etc... Be VERY VERY careful what you do in this world because there is a bad government official waiting to spin the truth.

      October 12, 2011 at 2:07 pm | Reply
  4. Girt

    Who cares about Saudi Ambassador to the U.S., anyway?
    Have you ever asked yourself???
    This scenario is like a Hollywood movie! Remembers me the movie 'Unknown' :))

    October 12, 2011 at 9:04 am | Reply
  5. F

    I think the US is trying to prepare another "Weapons of Mass Destruction" type drama to attack Iran. Or it could be Israel trying to assassinate Saudi Ambassador to create an atmosphere that forces US to attack Iran.

    It is definitely not in Iran's interest to do this. Everything has a purpose and this 'claimed' act doesn't fulfill any purpose at all. So most likely, US government is lying like it did in the past in case of Iraq.

    Election around the corner, Obama needs election issues and this can be the one!!!

    October 12, 2011 at 9:10 am | Reply
    • JasonP

      LOL, he NEEDS election issues? Yeah right. Obama would gladly admit he's got enough election issues.

      October 12, 2011 at 9:55 am | Reply
    • Andreas Martinsen

      Yeah right, and starting another war is just what the american public wants.

      Get real.

      October 12, 2011 at 11:23 am | Reply
    • sfoch

      Agree. This plot wouldn't benefit Iran at all. Killing an ambassador is akin to desecrating a temple. Iran's policy has been consistently to build regional solidarity and to further isolate Israel (something that has been happening in recent years). This "foiled plot" appears to be anti-Iran propaganda in an attempt to reverse that trend. I am in no way in favor of the Islamic Republic or a theocracy for a government, but you can't just believe this. Iranian secret service could easily kill an ambassador and wouldn't involved thug mexican cartel to do it. Furthermore the ambassador does not make the policies and Iran would not want to create open war with their neighbor for such a small gain. The strong words from Biden and Clinton for the "entire world" to "unite against iran" and "isolate Iran" furthers the propaganda's strategy. The USA/UK did the same thing to Iran in the 1950's with operation ajax. I would like to see a different government in Iran but this approach will lead to military conflict and the deaths of americans, israelis, and iranians. To date, NO terrorists or suicide bombers have been Iranians (though the USA says they are "state sponsors of terror" something that the region also labels Israel).

      October 12, 2011 at 3:41 pm | Reply
  6. FeyKname

    Heh, it's going to be hard to sell this to the skeptical part of the public as anything but a false flag operation. If that's what it is it was likely done with the Saudis consent and assistance making it easier to sell to their people that they're going to spearhead the bombing of Iran side by side with Israel and the US, both playing a more silent role in attempt to make the Sunni Muslim world think it's the Saudi's idea to do so. KSA vs Iran has been brewing (or cooked up) for some time now, it looks like the US is gearing up the pretense for it, either as a bluff for some behind the scenes horse trading or actual war.

    October 12, 2011 at 9:15 am | Reply
  7. AGA

    iraq, libya and now iran have one in common. they all have oil which value will answer for the west's financial problems and will satisfy their greed. after iran, the final invasion will be in saudi arabia

    October 12, 2011 at 9:17 am | Reply
    • Mac Qurashi

      More oil will not answer the economic problems of the West. It will only make oil companies and their exectives rich. The profits never trickle down to the 99%.

      October 12, 2011 at 11:20 am | Reply
  8. Thomas

    This NEWS is a J O K E ..... Bunch of liers these Americans. they r still looking WNDs in Iraq lol

    October 12, 2011 at 9:26 am | Reply
    • JasonP

      It's the Republicans that have been itching for war with Iran. Look it up.

      October 12, 2011 at 9:56 am | Reply
      • Lisa

        Yaaa, it's just an excuse to put sanctions on them and paving the path to trigger a war on Iran.

        October 12, 2011 at 10:29 am |
      • Craig

        look it up where? The Huffington Post! Fact: Since 1900, the only wars that have been initiated by Republican (Progressive Replublicans that is) are the Gulf War, Iraq and Afgan. Dems got us into WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Balkans.

        October 12, 2011 at 12:04 pm |
      • rod

        jason- I agree with you. Most likely Dick Cheney was intrumental. Haliburton revenues are down and he was the one that profited the most out of the Irag was.

        October 12, 2011 at 12:11 pm |
      • DaveinCincy

        You are in desperate need of a history lesson....grab a book occassionally and read. It'll do you wonders.

        October 12, 2011 at 1:52 pm |
    • Rabble Rabble

      WNDs? I'm guessing a typo, but I like to go with the idea of Weapons of No Destruction. Take this however you want.

      October 12, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Reply
  9. greencook

    I agree, this looks like a Gulf of Tonken fabrication.

    October 12, 2011 at 9:27 am | Reply
  10. Ali

    Here is some answers for Mr Baer :

    "The only proxies they use are ones they’ve vetted." Correct that is why they used a khodi or insider such as a relative which appears to be case here (cousin of a high ranking officer of the IRRGC)

    "They don’t get their own citizens get involved. They send other people to do it for them from Hezbollah to Bosnian Muslims." This was true in the early 80' but not true anymore. For instance, they used iranian agents who were caught in the Mikonos attack in Berlin or in the assassination of former premier Shapur Bakhtiar in Paris.

    "It would be completely uncharacteristic for Iran to be caught red handed". See above

    So why were they all of a sudden so sloppy? They always have been sloppy, they are just less sloppy than the western intelligence agencies

    "Why would they take this risk now? " Who knows the IRI has a history of irrational behavior

    "Who cares about Saudi Ambassador to the U.S. Ali Jaber, anyway?" See above

    Keep up with the good job in Holliwood and please do not go back working for the CIA !

    October 12, 2011 at 9:52 am | Reply
    • dlmacintosh

      Ali – Logical responses to conspiracy theorists? You must be one of "them", Ha ha 🙂

      October 12, 2011 at 10:17 am | Reply
    • Gene

      You forgot the detail that one of the assassins in Paris was related to an Iranian official (like the accusation here) – Surhadi. What is truly odd is the idea that they would choose Mexicans to target a Saudi. Mexican assassins in DC working for Iran - that is something unprecedented (even for Iran). They've used a lot of nationalities, but nothing like that.

      October 12, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Reply
    • Kristi

      Learn to spell A Hole!

      October 12, 2011 at 12:57 pm | Reply
      • Gene

        Ali did not misspell hole.

        October 12, 2011 at 1:07 pm |
  11. Thinker

    Not buying it...lets come up with a better story to attack Iran..
    By the way why are we still in Afghanistan? and Iraq?.....hmmm
    ofcourse our security and interests. repeat after me.

    October 12, 2011 at 9:52 am | Reply
  12. Danladi Buhari

    US is just looking for ground to go after Tehran. But be careful what you have sore will definetly be harbested. This is just Hillary Clinton said before Congress when Bush administration was seeking their nod to go after Iraq and Afghanistan.

    October 12, 2011 at 9:57 am | Reply
  13. robert saint amour

    Now comes the search for WMD..I'll give two to one odds that Iran is targeted within a month...Way to go USA..

    October 12, 2011 at 10:05 am | Reply
  14. Chris Fleming

    Credit to Bob Baer and CNN for posting an alternate view of the most recent "revelation" of a "terrrorist plot". America's credibility abroad has already been stretched very thin by exaggerated and biased reports of threats to national security and prosecutorial zeal in matters such as the Strauss-Kahn affair. Even if there is evidence of Iran-based terrorist operations in the USA, the early publicisizing of investigations seriously raises doubts about the judgement of the nation's national security leadership.

    October 12, 2011 at 10:06 am | Reply
  15. candy

    If they really hate this Iran president (or anyone else – the guy who needs to pay) so much, why don't they just give him citizenship and then send a drone to get him next time. It's totally legal, you know. No need to drum up this stupid WMD plot.

    October 12, 2011 at 10:10 am | Reply
    • rmosele


      October 12, 2011 at 11:43 am | Reply
  16. NYCitizen

    Gee, for the past two weeks, I thought we were going to have a conflict/war with Pakistan....I guess we changed our minds and decided on Iran!

    October 12, 2011 at 10:12 am | Reply
    • Cynic

      Just give them time. Iran this week. Pakistan next week.

      Anything to stir the pot and make us believe in government lies again.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:17 am | Reply
  17. Jardin T

    We've seen this before. Now, we are going to have someone shouting at the UN to condemn this act. Then accuse someone of planning to explode a dirty bomb in NY. Then Get ready for war. I heard GOP is coming back next year.

    October 12, 2011 at 10:15 am | Reply
  18. Jaydo

    I have been thinking what a perfect excuse this would be to start something with Iran.

    Some in government have been chomping at the bit to get involved militarily with Iran, this may be the excuse.

    I am very, very skeptical of the authenticity of this "plot".

    October 12, 2011 at 10:16 am | Reply
    • Cynic

      Yeah, like we didn't see this coming.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:18 am | Reply
  19. T

    It is a bit far-fetched to accept everything about this on face value. Is it the stuff of Hollywood? Yes, a really BAD film that is released to DVD one week after it is in the cinema. Not buying this- too convenient. Not that I am a fan of the IR gov't, not by a long shot, but this is really outta left field.

    I just saw the Frontline episode on Dr. Ivins, who the FBI had concluded was the guy behind the Anthrax letters. Turns out the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) concluded in their independent review of the scientific evidence that the FBI's case was inconclusive and that Dr. Ivins could not have been 'the guy' with 100% certainty. Now that same director, Mr. Mueller, says that Iran is behind this. There is a credibility problem here...

    October 12, 2011 at 10:19 am | Reply
    • Observer

      Fool me once, shame on you.

      Fool me twice, shame on me.

      Unfortunately, most of the people can be fooled most of the time.

      This is proof...


      October 12, 2011 at 10:28 am | Reply
      • NYCitizen

        I thought it was, at least according to George W. Bush, and I can envision Townsend doing pinwheels:

        Fool me once Shame on Me
        Fool Me twice Shame on You
        We won't get fooled again

        Sorry, I couldn't resist!

        October 12, 2011 at 11:01 am |
  20. Observer

    New estimate of U.S. war costs: $4 trillion.


    Let’s double down with another war and make it $8 trillion. That will make the warmongers happy.
    The taxpayers?
    Shaft them again.


    October 12, 2011 at 10:21 am | Reply
    • Retired Floridian

      Absolutely right-you nailed it!

      October 12, 2011 at 10:23 am | Reply
  21. Retired Floridian

    this is clearly a "dirty trick" setup by NSA and / or CIA to distract from domestic ecomonic problems, pave the way for a U.S. and / or Israeli strike directly against Iran, to protect the military and intelligence budgets from any budget cuts come November when the debt reduction committeee reports, etc. It could be anythinbg for any reason OTHER than an actual Iranian supported assassination plot.

    October 12, 2011 at 10:22 am | Reply
    • Observer

      The country should listen carefully to retired Floridians.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:34 am | Reply
  22. T3chsupport

    We've already been lied to so much, and we've lost and destroyed thousands of lives because of it.
    People are right to be skeptical.

    October 12, 2011 at 10:23 am | Reply
  23. Lisa

    Why would they go after the Saudi Ambassador when the Saudi Royals themselves regularly stay in New York City throughout the year? This story doesn't make sense – it seems like it is made up.

    October 12, 2011 at 10:25 am | Reply
  24. Shawn

    I agree this does not sound legit at all. I'm sure there are people in our government that know that. Hopefully somebody stands up and does what's right for a change. Whomever they are, they need not be afraid – millions of us got your back!

    October 12, 2011 at 10:30 am | Reply
  25. Johnny

    This story is as true as the story about Iraq having WMDs.

    Iran is not behind this and Iraq did not have WMDs

    October 12, 2011 at 10:31 am | Reply
    • Johnny

      We are lied to by our government on a daily basis... getting distracted of the real issues and problems.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:32 am | Reply
  26. Frak Oliver


    October 12, 2011 at 10:33 am | Reply
  27. nihalsam, switzerland

    Rings a bell: WMD in Iraq. With the US losing more and more support in the area and Israel with its back to the wall, something had to be done. But did it have to be so silly?

    October 12, 2011 at 10:34 am | Reply
  28. erich2112x

    They're getting closer to developing a nuclear weapon, and we're getting closer to sending in the drones to vaporize those facilities. When the propaganda machine begins to churn, that usually means war is on the horizon.

    October 12, 2011 at 10:37 am | Reply
  29. rick

    im sick of all this bleep i say lets take the whole middle east out and be down with it!!!!!!!!!!

    October 12, 2011 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • zack

      y dont u keep ur bleeping self out of wordly affairs and the bleeping world would do just fine.

      October 12, 2011 at 6:04 pm | Reply
  30. Var

    From the comments above it's clear that most finally "get it"! The end game is quite simply to keep the U.S. military-industrial complex alive and well, despite how much it actually costs the country. In not so many words Eisenhower, a military man himself, warned America about the dangers implicit in defence and homeland security, per se, becoming principal drivers or the countries policies and activities. People can be made to accept and do strange things when they are constantly made to feel afraid! Just look at Eisenhower's main advisaries during the 40's!

    October 12, 2011 at 10:46 am | Reply
    • Onesmallvoice

      Thank you, Var. You said it all.

      October 12, 2011 at 10:51 am | Reply
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