By Nicole Rojas, GlobalPost
Who said protesting was for grown ups? As these photographs show, kids are joining the masses at Occupy protests around the world.
The protests, which began in New York City as hundreds gathered in Zucotti Park to "Occupy Wall Street," have spread to cities all over the world.
And, the adults, some of whom have made the Occupy camps their home, are bringing along their little ones. Many believe they have must seize this "teachable moment" to educate their kids on income equality and the right to protest.
In Zucotti Park, a Brooklyn mother organized a sleepover for more than 80 parents and their children. A makeshift library within the park has a collection of children's books for parents to use.
Now that Occupy Wall Street has entered its second month, police in various cities are demanding that protesters leave their camps and increasing the use of violent means to remove them. And as some protests turn violent, the question remains, is it still safe to bring these tiny protesters out to demonstrate?
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Pedophiles.
raping children with their radical ideas of a government free of corporate corruption amiright?
You're the rapist.
Right, they support Socialism. So it's only normal to force those ideals on their children. Hey I have a question for Occupiers, what were you doing to feed those babies before you went to the mooch camp?
This isn't a matter of socalism or capitalism or any sort of "-ism". This is a matter of my (not yet existing) great-great grandchildren having to pay off my debt. I don't know about you, but that thought turns my stomach. I have a strong back and a good head on my shoulders- I work for what I have and I pay cash up front. MY CHILDREN WILL NOT PAY MY DEBT! I will not pay for the banks' debt either.
1. No one in a county that forces a child to swear an allegiance to their government every day at school starting at age 5, and lasting till they graduate can talk about pushing ideals on children! That is government indoctrination at its worst...sorry..it is....
2. The fact is that social mobility is at a stand still, middle class jobs are disappearing faster than we can replace them, college tuition is climbing at an exponential rate at the same time that wages have not increased in the last 30-50 years. I hate to point this out to everyone, but the 'CHILDREN' are the ones that are gonna be SCREWED by this greed!!! If any of them have half a brain, they are going to be the most radical ones out there.
3. For those who keep trying to label this a socialist movement, why don't you take half a minute to put down your tea bagger emails, and try to think for yourself instead of letting David Koch program your head, and look around. This is no more about socialism than the United States supports Islam as a nation religion. This is about people like me, who went to school, bought a house I could afford (on a 30 year fixed mortgage), and did everything right, and I am screwed because of a few rich people have set up a nation that lets the few prosper at the expense of the many.
Right now, the top 5% of Americans have 73% of the national wealth, while the bottom 80% have a combined 7% of the national wealth. This is not a pro-socialist movement, it is an anti fascist one!!!!!
Last I want to point out what I keep saying. Don't be so fast to fight this, and fight the people out there. This is the best chance our nation has to fix it. There are 300 million guns in the US, and historically, social inequality can only get so bad before people start killing people. Right now, the gini index places the inequality between the haves and the have nots at almost the same level as the great depression. If the rich on the right, and their brainless lobby group that David Koch owns and operates (Tea Baggers) are successful at killing this movement, the next time they engage the working class, it could very well be on a battle field. And the working class far outnumber these idiots. I am not saying I would support that idea, I am simply stating a historical fact. We are always three meals away from a civil war, and it is questionable on whether or not the rich are gonna try to demand our food next. They have already taken everything else....
Buddy, those kids don't even know why they are there; they're just being used by their activist parents to gain sympathy. It's pathetic.
@ Me: They are feeding the children just fine. and Mooch camp? Humm. Isn't it the banks that just asked for and got a bail out hand out under claims that they needed it to help the people, then they horded the money for themselves. These protesters are not moochers. they are fighters. they have the guts to stand up and do what people like you are too chicken and ignorant to do.
So next time, do some research before you speak. It will help make you not look like a idiot.
Are you kidding me, parents teach their kids views all the time. Religion and such. Why should this be any different, because its something you are against. The the place of the parent to teach their children their values and believes.
I say let them protest... after all they have every reason to be angry with our generation and our government. Look at the mess we are leaving behind for them
Sharing your values with your children ? Sound pretty Un-American to me ....
Marines are supporting Occupy Wall Street This article not getting enough press look up info on..
Marines have been flocking to the social networking/aggregator site Reddit to voice their anger at the life-threatening injury inflicted on 24-year-old Iraqi war veteran Scott Olsen by Oakland police during the recent Occupy protests. Video showed Olsen go down after taking a tear gas canister to the head. As fellow protesters tried to assist him, police lobbed a flash grenade into their midst–right next to Olsen’s already fractured skull.
If online reaction is any indication, it’s not a stretch to think Olsen’s injury could be the start of something very big. We have a lot of military combat veterans in this country who haven’t been treated very well since they left the service. No job prospects. Inadequate medical coverage. If they take their anger offline and into the streets, the OWS movement will become an extremely potent, and WELL TRAINED force.
those marines are all a bunch of tools. I don't care if Scott Olson was a national hero. Police told him, and everyone else, for 30 minutes that they would start making arrest and firing off tear gas. They chose to stay and get tear gased. He has no one to blame but himself for what happened. Had he been an upstanding citizen, he would of left and we wouldn't be discussing this now would we?
Feel free to post your personal name and address, tough guy. I believe a certain element feels differently and would be happy to discuss this "tool" of a marine...face to face.
Zlul the first amendment gives you the right to protest and he was being an upstanding citizen by doing it peacefully
Marines should not be supporting anything but the war. Service Members can't tie a branch name to anything political.
USMC, I thought the same when the crowd at the Republican debate booed the soldier asking a question from Iraq. Would ANY of those arm-chair conservatives have treated him so poorly face-to-face? I give a big "Uh-Rah!" to all Veterans exercising the civil rights they risked their lives to defend!!!
Alex the unemployed Veteran
As for whether a Marine can demonstrate, yes the do have to be careful, it must be as a civilian – it is a pretty slippery slope when an armed service takes sides BUT veterans can freely do whatever they want. And as for that tough guy mouthing off, I'm not a Marine, but I'd be more than happy to help them show you some manners.
BULL$H!T- Some Marines support OWS, and many more do not. Don't speak on behalf of anyone but yourself. Threatening people and making ridiculous statements about the armed forces joining a socialist group of union shills just embarrasses the proud service men you claim to represent. Olsen knew the risks when he remained after being told tear gas would be used. He chose to stay and was injured as a result of his own stupidity. If you decide to join him and you get injured, don't blame anyone but yourself.
@USMC: So what you're telling us is you're willing to harm an american for his opinion? Sounds just like another Socialist. I think I'm seeing a pattern here. You'll get your chance to batter Americans for their beliefs, but don't think they'll sit and take it because you may be a devil dog or know one.
Your comment suggests "all Marines" support the anti-capitalists. I assure you that is incorrect. We take our oath to "defend the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic," VERY seriously. You can try to convince yourself otherwise, but we will follow orders if and when they are given. Semper Fidelis. For 236 years....Semper Fidelis.
Nah, I don't think that at all about the good ol USMC. I was just referring to the moron a few posts up who named himself USMC as if he represents them all, indicating he was going to do harm to the gentleman who called the idiot who got a canister to the face a tool. He is a tool, instead of supporting Occupiers, he should be out finding true blood americans if he really feels there's an issue and speaking with them. Not hacks ready to give up our way of life to Socialism because they're upset they don't get to make upwards of 25,000 a year.
Notice how the same right wing morons who try to corner the market on being a patriot, waving that flag, and dressing up like its 1794, will tell a gay solder to get back in the closet and a marine who actually cares about this nation that they deserve to get a cracked skull!! The truth is, the right has sold this nation to make a personal profit, and they are as much an enemy of this nation as the people who attacked us on 9/11. Who was it that said, don't ask what this country can do for you, but what you can do for this country. These people want to get out of paying their fair share, and are willing to sacrifice our economic stability as a nation just so they can make an extra buck. If we continue to allow them to control our representatives, we are going to be left with a 3rd world nation, and they are all going to take off on our jets, with our money, and resources, and go to a nation better fit with their ideology, somewhere like the North Korea where they really can kill anyone who disagrees with them!!!
Brand the movement socialism all you want, one of the main issues of the movement was the bank bailouts which was socialism for the rich. So in that aspect #OSW is against socialism. But it's easy to label any group that wants some economic fairness as socialist. And who gets to define true blooded Americans? You? lol
To all ya tea baggers here...there seems to be a lot of you... Don't you feel like an idiot now that everyone knows that the person who hired and trained all the central organizers of your 'grassroots' organization (grassroots meaning owned by the 9th richest person in the US), and the person who is hiring your political puppets like Caine, is also in business and making a killing with IRAN!!! You idiots are all marching around repeating the lines from your local leaders, who are repeating the lines of the national leaders, who are given those lines by David Koch. And while you all 'think' you are fighting for this country, you are really lobbying to deregulate business so your boss (David Koch) and make even more money working with a nation (Iran) who is on our terrorist watch list. While you guys are walking around screaming socialism because a few Americans believe in that crazy idea that if you work your tail off, you should have an OPPORTUNITY to be successful, they guy that controls your group is ACTUALLY doing stuff that could destroy this nation.
I think John Stuart Mill said it best when he said, "I did NOT say that all conservatives were stupid, only that most stupid people were conservative." There are two types of conservatives, rich ones and stupid ones, and nothing really in the middle.... But I guess that is why there is a statistically significant linear relationship with educational attainment and the degree of one's self identified liberalism.... Go drink your kool-aid flavored tea....
@USMC As a British Army Vet, he can borrow my wheelchair afterwards. Aint life grand serving your country.
This "hero" also runs the website I bet I hate the Marines more than you, and is a traitor!
Probably not since they don't know what they are talking about half the time.
I am a mother of three and a co-founder of Families for Occupy Charlottesville in Charlottesville, Va.. This is a teaching moment for my children (8, 5, and 1) as well as others. My 5 year old daughter loves to bake and has made lots of food for the occupiers. We have had music and arts events. While many adults may turn a blind eye to another adult speaking, when a child in their Halloween costume runs up to you chanting "occupy your future, occupy your hearts" and hands you some candy... well that is hard to ignore.
On the issue of security, we have an emergency plan in place and posted for all Families for Occupy Charlottesville events. There is nothing more important to us as parents as the safety and security of our children; it's why we are out here.
That your turning your kids into political tools? Yeah, people notice that.
does your child have a choice... you are their parent they do as you say.... using them as a tool to manipulate is wrong – and at some point they may realize this and if their hearts aren't actually into it resent you for it – I support some of what I see coming out of OWS, and definitely support the right to free speech, but seeing parents use, yes I use the word use here, there children in this way is depressing... wouldn't it be more useful if they spent their time in school/doing homework learning more about the world so they can start forming their OWN opinions about it, and in the process giving themselves a broader skillset to participate in the society of the future... essentially by making them protest instead your helping make tomorrow a dimmer place – for your children – good for you -
Brilliant. Have them occupy a book or their homework. They have no clue what this is about and they will have to live with your decision not to find work so they have to eat ramen noodles everyday. It's sad really.
Indoctrinate much?
I'm sure your children will "learn" the importance of demonstrating, especially the one-year old.
Hopefully, violence will not break out and the police will not respond with tear gas, for their sake.
You need to start using your brain and keep your children safe at home. They can demonstrate when they're adults.
Don't support either movement but it's the same thing that was going on for the Tea Party rallies.
Who would they use as human shields if they didn't' have the kids? That's all they are there for.
My children are not tools or shields. My children are people. I am teaching them to care for other people. This is no different than when I teach their Sunday School each week or when they collect things to send in care packages to send to our troops overseas. They are learning to be citizens and stand up for their rights.
EXCUSE ME?!?!?!?!??!?!??!!??!?!
Remember remember the 5th of november my dear friend. we are coming. we are the 99%. and we will not stop until the 1% IS OUT
That is a sick response.
I haven't seen people asking if it wasn't ok to bring children to other protects.
As long as the children are safe, getting an education and are well few. Most kids will protect on weekends or after school and go home at night. How great that they will be able to tell their kids that they were involved in the Civil Rights Movement of 2011.
The parents of these children are teaching them not hurting them. Also in Israel there are Kibbutzim and Moshavim which are socialist villages. Everyone is free to come and go, to join or leave the community. It really is a great environment. One of sharing and caring. It is also not for everyone. So socialism works on a voluntary level. and some Kibbutzim and Moshavim have more money then regular run towns or villages.
This protest isn't even about Socialism. It is simply about corporate America getting away with robbing the "little guy" (the middle class) Wepay high interest on credit cards, a fee every time we want to take our money out of an ATM, a fee for keeping our money in the bank...Ect. These fees add up to Billions of Dollars and these Billions of Dollars go into the hands of the few. I won't even go into the mortgage situation...
So yes send your children and your grandparents to Occupy 5 minutes or a day. It is a good learning experience probably better then a day at work or school.
Agree, Aliza. Who complains when parents drag their kids to church to have their minds poisoned with ages-old bigotry and prejudice? Of course parents make these kinds of choices for their children and children 'inherit' many values from their parents. Clearly the corporate shills bad-mouthing the OWL protestors are terrified at the thought of intergenerational opposition to the beliefs, goals, practices, and teachings of the corporate parasite class. Keep it up. Power to the People!
Pedophiles rush to places like OWS if they know children will be there. They will find any opportunity to get close to children, whether it be a disaster or a demonstration. I say no to children at these events unless it is during daylight hours and they can go home afterwards.
NOTE: I am a retired NYPD Lieutenant who dealt with these peverts in Thompkins Square Park and Washington Square Park.
So, basically what you are saying is that children shouldn't be allowed out anywhere, and they are not even safe out of the house after dark, even with their parents.... and even with all those nice policemen around the OWS protests. I guess they have better things to do than protect the public... like assault people for protesting and treating illegal camping like a serious crime that should be punished with riot squads.
He's saying you're an idiot for not knowing that obviously in a without rule of law situation, your children are not safe from those who would do harm to them. Stop trying to make everyone who serves the public an enemy, it really won't make your life better. Passing blame is a sign of weakness.
The ONLY Reason it wouldn't be safe, is because the POLICE are ATTACKING PEACEFUL PROTESTERS....THEY SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. THIS WORLD IS LESS SCARY THAT PEOPLE CARE ENOUGH TO PROTEST AND STAND UP AGAINST THE CORRUPT. LOOK UP REDDIT OCCUPY OAKLAND – A MARINE WENT DOWN DURING A PEACTFUL PROTEST BECAUSE A COP DECIDED TO ATTACK THE CROWD..
nope you're wrong...in oakland it was the protesters who were violent first throwing rocks and bottles at the police. and let's not forget that the very protest itself is breaking several laws already. go protest outside the white house for their policies or lack thereof and stop blaming the system that brought you the iphone that you have in your pocket, the PC that you posted that comment with, the hospital that you went to for your last check up, the absence of bread lines & work camps, etc.
Peaceful protest?Throwing crap is peaceful now is it? And frankly what is there in Oakland to occupy?You want equality go talk to the gangs that run that city.
You will find more pedophiles working as teachers,,priest, coaches and tutors..They choose these jobs to be around children..Should we lock up our children and not let them leave the home?..Like it or no this is a big part of history..I am sure that the children who did attend will appreciate being a part of history when they grow up .
I doubt Bob is anything but perhaps a pedophile himself – after all, why would that be their first thought? I am FAR more worried about kids in the park when the police storm it with horses.
Thanks for speaking out about your own experience and offering your prossional judgement. This group could use a little common sense. Some will be grateful and some......well.....
It's no different than the Teabaggers bringing along their kids to hold signs they have no comprehension of
Indeed the kids might have no comprehension of the movement, but they are also victims of various austerity measures!
I assume you mean corporate welfare... the only reason we can't afford social services (before it was fine) is because we need to prop up corporations/banks who ripped off the system... we need to bail out the true econimc drivers (the middle class) and make sure the opportunists (the corporations/banks) play fair... would it not make sense to bail out the middle class who are the ones that spend and ensure jobs are needed? Seems only the middle class play by capitalist rules while the privlaged have welfare... time to go back to kinds and queens i guess...
Except you will find fewer guns among the OWS folks... and more police presence, though so far that has mostly resulted in arrests and assaults by said police.
That's what happens when a bunch of protesters who know nothing about the economy think they know even more about the laws they are supposed to follow.
Hey zlel... who realloy knows anything about the ecnonmy.. its always a big deal to point out no one could have seen these things coming.. your simplistic view of the economy does not properly represent it either I am sure
People saw this coming. People saw this happening. Bankers didn't care because they made more money. The people borrowing didn't care because they were being given more money to spend. Its not simplistic, but most of OWS doesn't even have the slightest clue.
zlul actually most people didn't have a clue about the economy. There is a well advertised clip from a certain Cable station where financial forecasts was very positive about Bear Stearn, Lehman Brothers etc literally weeks before they collapsed. I have noticed that in my country, the few economists who did predict the Global Financial Crisis has spoken in support of OWS. One has even given a speech at an occupy rally.
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I don't need to see that to know that it's all a big sham. We were warned by several Presidents leading up to Kennedy, who was likely killed for also passing this warning that the secrecy in this country was operated by those with dark intent for the world; and our our futures. Sad thing is there's no evil super genius behind it all, just a bunch of dumb greedy pigs who need to be exported to Afghanistan or Iraq to fight the wars they profiteer, or downtown Chicago to clean up the neighborhoods, maybe then to LA to deal with the rampant crime or better yet to a corner in Washington right outside some of the state houses.
So what gives? Who are the organizers and marketers behind OccupyWallSt? Why did they shield their registrar info for the domain? Is it some uber wealthy private company - hiring the Canadian non-profit to do this. You guys are about revealing the truth – can you shed some light on this. I don't want to be in the Matrix anymore, but somehow I don't think the masterminds of OCCUPY are getting arrested and gassed and think they are sitting back somewhere watching gold prices soar.
Those Anonymous teenagers need to be grounded by their parents. Seriously.
First, Tea Party members didn't stay overnight and "occupy" anything. Most had jobs that they had to get back to. Second, it is interesting that local governments forced the Tea Party to pay various fees for their rallies, but have been letting these looney "occupy" folks camp out without as much as requesting a nickel.
Its called civil disobediance, you tool.
Then don't moan about them getting arrested if it's civil disobediance.
Maybe it's because Tea Party supporters are the one's with the money? Hence why they are being selfish and don't want to pay any taxes. While the professional unemployed (teachers, nurses etc.) support the occupy movement because they have the skills but people are too greedy to let them be used to contribute to the economy.
And why were the tea baggers allowed to bring shotguns to there so called protests?
This is exactly right
Madjerry, some states allow open carry of Shotguns, actually a lot do. If you read the articles of law you'd know that, some of the Tea Baggers are lawyers etc who were very aware of their civil liberties. It's funny, people who say they don't have freedom are all of the ones who didn't pay attention in school or didn't even go. You'd be surprised just how free you really are in comparison to the rest of the world. Americans are just greedy and can't cope with the fact that they have reaped what they have sewn.
All of you sat by and watched Washington take us into N Korea, Vietnam, the Middle East etc. All of you sat by and watched Washington continually spend our money on strange projects at the whims of lobbyists, all of you are sitting by as our futures are hijacked by the socially inept and the mentally ill (Washington and Anti Washington people).
My best advice to you is to wake up, learn your rights, learn your liberties, meet others with RATIONAL MINDS, organize and hand Washington their pink slips, the DEMOCRATIC way, not the wahbaby berlin wall socialist way. Hitler doesn't rule the united states, big money does. Sorry but you don't get to glorify yourselves as oppressed people. The rest of the world is living off of dirt and sometimes even the flesh of other human beings, yet all of us have access to food even if we're dirt poor.
The middle class (or should I say economy drivers or wealth creators) have a point against the corporations (or should I say profit takers.. these terms better reflect the different classes), but using kids should be a no no...
At some point when are americans going to be building railroads in China?
Pretty soon at this rate.
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Little children who are old enough should be in school. A parent has no business exposing a little kid to all the germs and vermin at this left wing defecation fest.
And they're not the 99 percent. They're not even the one percent.
They just don't know it yet.
*Defacation
wrong. please don't correct someone else's *correct* spelling with your incorrect one.
They're more like the 30%. Funny thing is, if they weren't so crazy about Socialism I'd be right out there with them. Sadly, I'll hope and pray for my fellow americans to stand up; when I see them, yanno the ones who want to revitalize liberty of this nation and not duplicate the USSR, I'll help out with every fiber of my being.
These kids will be paying the heaviest price for Wall Street's scams, so yes, they should be able participate in the protests.
They are going to inherite the world we are fighting to maintain and so I feel they have every right to be there. If the police are going to react let them know they are fighting against families and the very fiber of what makes up democracy and freedom.
Why shouldn't the children be present? It's a great lesson in civic activism and, besides, no one's future will be more affected by Wall Street greed than that of our children.
The children should stay. They make excellent human shields for the protesters. They enjoy camping conditions, and learning camp songs like "We Shall Overcome." I'll bet kids raised under these conditions become the most conservative voters in the future.
Should kids be in television commercials pushing products that they don't understand? http://outlierideas.com
Why not. People brainwash their kids at church.
Ha, I agree with this. Good post.
And homeschool!
One wrong doesn't absolve all the others. I too was "brainwashed" in a Catholic church, I am no longer Catholic as an adult having reflected on just how absurd religion is now. But, I do indeed accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior
, you don't need a bunch of self righteous nuts to help you find God, only need yourself and a book.
@Me: So why are people worried about kids at a political protest? Doesn't that just insult the intelligence that these children will eventually develop? You yourself provide a perfect example of this by mentioning your own upbringing.
Of course children should be there. It is their future we are talking about. What a great way to learn about democracy. All those kids kept at home will one day ask their parents, "What did you do to stand up for me?" The kids at the park will know!
Kids are the future. Denying them a say in their future is the most criminal act of all.
Yes and no , it will be good for kids to learn about what's going on in this world , but they should only spend a few hours there a day
Ah you stupid members of this site. How do you ding dongs even function? I love the blame game that it is the Evil corporations that is our problem when it is all based in Washington. Of course you loser frauds won't address that because you are full of it and know this OWJ is a distraction from the failure of this communist President. Americans are not that stupid to fall for this as you will see when your loser president gets booted.
communism seems to be only practiced by the corporations in this country.. they get the countries money with no accountability.. all they are asking for is accountability.. who else created this mess??? Capitilism is let things fail... well did they let the banks fail? No! They said they were too big to fail (sounds like soviet banks to me with scare tactics and all)... if you truly like capitilism support the middle class who consume and create jobs... not the opportunists who tae advantage of the people cause that sounds like communism to me...
Secondly, Obama was democratically elected. That isn't communist. Your side lost in 2008, get over it. If you want to debate use rational facts not an emotional tirade.
He's your president too, whether you like it or not.
He's getting booted? I don't know if you've been keeping up on current events, but the candidates the republitards are putting up are the biggest bunch of losers this country had ever seen. Not one of them is fit to wipe Obama's a$$. Four more years!!!
Obama is not communist he was democratically elected. Has he actually nationalised any corporation? That is communism. Get your facts straight.
THIS SHOULD HAVE HAD MORE PRESS: LOOK UP FULL ARTICLE: Marines have been flocking to the social networking/aggregator site Reddit to voice their anger at the life-threatening injury inflicted on 24-year-old Iraqi war veteran Scott Olsen by Oakland police during the recent Occupy protests. Video showed Olsen go down after taking a tear gas canister to the head. As fellow protesters tried to assist him, police lobbed a flash grenade into their midst–right next to Olsen’s already fractured skull. If online reaction is any indication, it’s not a stretch to think Olsen’s injury could be the start of something very big. We have a lot of military combat veterans in this country who haven’t been treated very well since they left the service. No job prospects. Inadequate medical coverage. If they take their anger offline and into the streets, the OWS movement will become an extremely potent, and WELL TRAINED force.
The problem with your logic is that the Marines are also disgusted with this Marine's war protesting. A true Marine doesn't do that. They will not join him in that line. (so says a Marine).
ummm... Marine's don't support protesting? You're a good little robot aren't you?? The reality is that marines fight for the very freedom being expressed in this movement. It's sort of a double standard to go overseas and kill people in the name of freedom and then berate your fellow marines for expressing free speech at home. Seriously, if not for freedom what are you fighting for?
They will use children as human shields against the cops when they begin to riot. Mark my words.
Kids and young adults are the people whom seek change for a better world. Without them, changes would be impossible for society to progress
But they are kids, they have no clue what any of this all means. Indoctrinating them with political ideas is the same thing as indoctrinating them with religious ideas.
DEMAND ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS RESIGN....
–p a p a r a z z i n c . c o m – john v
and then what? Fill those empty seats with more of the same corruption from both sides? Yeah, brilliant plan....
Unfortunately the movement is spurring hatred of those who still have jobs and are living fairly well and those protesting don't have jobs or school. If this enthusiasm were put to use to do something other than protest then we could show the world what USA is really all about, inventiveness, creativity and enthusiasm. I have a job because i am self-employed and my car was trashed by a OWS participant who called me a greedy rich b!!!!h. Oh well this is not the USA I used to live in.
Yes, making up stories was completely expected from corporate Tea Partiers in response to this grassroots movement.
I'm sorry about your car. Maybe the protestors mistook you for someone else? Mistakes happen when people are angry and if you are a true Christain (and a US citizen mind you) you will forgive in time. By the way, have a good time trying to get a decent insurance payout on that car. Whatever faceless corporation you have insurance with will certainly have some fine print in that massive contract you have signed to cause you some problems.
(aka Aussie Floods 2010)
Americans should shove off these old farts off the stage, and get the younger intellectuals into the US political arena. Old fellows in Congress think of nothing but money politics. And because these dinosaurs arent going to be around for too long, their policies and planning arent long term for USA.
It would be progressive politics if Congress is occupied with younger innovative mindsets, people who are capable of starting on clean slates. And who think tomorrow is their world, and concern – Americans' welfare will be their top priority in their policies.
So let's see... I suppose there were ZERO kids attending any pro-corporation Tea Party rallies?
If just two persons have a scuffle the ensuing running will probably end up killing a child and the parent is to blame for that!!
It's very inspiring to see these middle class "makers" standing up for their rights against the wealthy corporate elite "takers". In the 50s-70s many of the executive of companies "came up through the ranks" and had some idea of the details behind what products their companies actually made and in many cases had experience actually making them. Now we have the Wall Street Elite CEOs who are pillaging US companies for their rediculous benefits while having absolutely ZERO idea about the real details of the products their companies make. In far far too many US companies these days, CEOs like Bill Hewlett and David Packard are nowhere to be found.
very good.. i like makers and takers because the idea that corporations are job creators it total PR BS... they only create jobs if they have to, and then they try to pay the lowest wage as possible, a la walmart.. help redefine job creators to either opportunists or profit takers and focus on the true drivers, the middle class...
I didn't see teabaggers having a problem with it when they used their kids to hold grammatically incorrect or flat out misspelled signs. Really, it's their future that's at stake. I don't see a problem unless it's in Oakland where the cops thought they were in the Syrian security forces. As long as the kids are safe.
THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM ANONYMOUS
GO TO YOUTUBE AND SEARCH THE VIDEO "Anonymous- Operation No Middle Ground v2.0"
BREAK THROUGH THE BRAINWASHING OF THE FALSE LEFT-RIGHT PARADIM
WAKE UP FOOLS THE MATRIX HAS YOU
WE ARE ANONYMOUS
WE ARE LEGION
WE DO NOT FORGIVE
WE DO NOT FORGET
EXPECT US
close to 50 members of anonymous have been arrested and are facing 25-50 years in prison. they have done nothing lately but made idle threats....what ever happened to closeing down and eraseing the new york stock exchange oct 10???
they are nevous.
they have no idea how the FBI i swalking right up to their homes and knocking on their doors.
they dont know how the FBI is able to locate them.
others that have not been arrested are nervous and know they are being watched.
some were caught with all their hard drives erased. but the FBI can read an erased harddrive.
been tough cookies for anonymous. 50 years in federal prisoon starting at age 19 is a reality check
Not one person has been arrested. You just made this story up from thin air.
the knuckle heads behind lulzsec were arrested too,
whats got em all twisted is they dont know what the FBI are employeing that is locateing them.
if you dotn know how they are catching you, you dont know how to hide your tracks
its a dangerous game since hacking is 50 years in federal prison
10years. Not 50. And several accused members from different groups have been taken all over the world. Some didn't cover their tracks well enough (eg using a proxy) others were ratted out
I fully fully support them. Where can I donate money? (p.s. outside of charity, I have NEVER donated to anyone, i would donate for them so fast I would get friction burns from running to them to hand them all the money i could and I'm not joking). Where can I donate money to them?
Any parent that takes the children to occupy wall street should lose the custody of their children. It is well and fine if the parent wants to remain, but exposing their children to unsanitary and dangerous conditiions (no matter how worthy the cause) is a sign of irresponsible and bad parenting.
It's fine to manipulate the press and the people, but to bring children into the equation is nauseatingly wrong.
It's not like we are talking about putting a kid in a white hood at a KKK rally or forcing a child to carry a sign with a fetus on it while dad throws blood on a woman.
And you probably don't even have children.....
Yes, I have 5 children -one of them is in Ocuppy Denver. He's an adult and I support him. But young children shouldn't be there. It's too dangerous. And anyone that can't see that is irresponsible. It's cold out there. Want to protest? Fine. Leave it to the adults. I thought the same of the tea party idiots and I say the same to this movement.
I have children and Tina is right. They don't belong at these protests. Sorry but it's just not safe for them. They have zero control over who is there right now. And like it or not these protests are a power keg that might or might not go off. A good parent wouldn't take the chance. Teach your kids at home by the way you live your life. Taking any chance putting them in danger is foolish.
I;m sorry but you are wrong. What is going on at Zuccotti Park is less dangerous and less inappropriate than what I have seen and experienced at a professional baseball game, or strolling he streets of the city in broad daylight during Fleet Week. Seriously, when the Navy roils into to town you can pretty much count on seeing Naval personnel, in uniform, publicly drunk, vomiting in the street, all week long. When Yankee Stadium lets out the subways are insane for a while. I have been to Occupy Wall Street by myself and with my kid at a variety of times of day and never once felt unsafe and never once seen behavior I felt I needed to shield her from or explain to her... unless you count tobacco smoke, which I wish she wasn't exposed to, but what can ya do, right?
get behind one demand:
DEMAND ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS RESIGN -p a p a r a z z i n c . c o m
make this easy....
DEMAND ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS RESIGN...... NEW ELECTIONS/NEW REPRESENTATION.
SAME CORRUPTION NO MATTER WHO YOU PUT IN THOSE POSITIONS.
CHANGE STARTS WITH YOURSELF, STOP LOOKING FOR POLITICIANS TO "CHANGE" THINGS FOR YOU...
Does anyone know where we can donate money to Anonymous? I would donate money to them so fast I would get friction burns from running to them with fistfuls of money. I would run across the country if I had to to donate. So would a million other people. And I'm NOT joking. -p a p a r a z z i n c . c o m
no, the kids shouldnt be there. they shouldnt be at tea party rallies either.
LOS ANGELES—A member of the LulzSec hacking group was arrested this morning for his role in an extensive computer attack against the computer systems of Sony Pictures Entertainment, announced André Birotte Jr., the United States Attorney in Los Angeles; and Steven Martinez, Assistant Director in Charge of the FBI’s Los Angeles Field Office.
Cody Kretsinger, 23, of Phoenix, Arizona, was arrested this morning by FBI agents without incident. On September 2, 2011, a federal grand jury returned an indictment filed under seal in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles charging Kretsinger with conspiracy and the unauthorized impairment of a protected computer. The federal indictment was unsealed this morning upon Kretsinger’s arrest.
he was just one of many that was arrested world wide...tisk tisk....how did the FBI catch em???
The FBI arrested two alleged members of the hacking collectives LulzSec and Anonymous on Thursday morning in San Francisco and Phoenix and secured charges against a third suspect from Ohio, the Justice Department confirmed Thursday.
Search warrants were also being executed in New Jersey, Minnesota and Montana, an FBI official told FoxNews.com, which first reported the arrests.
One individual was described as part of the LulzSec group, the other part of the group that calls itself Anonymous, the official said.
tisk tisk
over 50 of these knuckleheads have been arrested world wide......they dont know what the FBI are employing that is catching them.
thats why all you get are idle threats from anon now.
what happened to that big oct erace new your stock exchange threat...lol
Kids should absolutely not be a part of it. I agree with OWS' intentions, but kids should never be indoctrinated into a specific political persuasion, left *or* right. I feel the same way about Conservatives' kids camp.
Let them play, let them enjoy Halloween. Let them be kids and stop trying to force your ideas into their heads when they're too young to know how to formulate their own opinions of the issues.
How can I donate money to LutzSec and Anonymous? I would give them EVERY dollar I have. I would RAISE money for them. Where are they? I want to donate .... -p a p a r a z z i n c . c o m
unfit to parent
If you want to raise money for this group please get in touch with me and we will figure this out. We must raise BILLIONS for this group... BILLIONS... and BILLIONS.. and no i'm not joking. –p a p a r a z z i n c . c o m
ridiculous
.WiKileaks is the most important website in the world. Period.
-p a p a r a z z i n c . c o m -j o h n v
I would work day an night to raise money for this hacker group, day an night till my fingers bleed.... till my feet bleed.
Everybody supports this movement. Everybody. Period.
Hey let's not look past the obvious. If children are present how can the cops fire in tear gas, and be just plain brutal? F the police, the Man, and the GOP sponsored tea baggers
End the fed
This movement is peaceful. The police have been violent terrorists. Wait, the police are terrorists. That explains it.
Better question, should cops even show up to escalate the situation?
Exactly. Take the police away and violence disappears.... The police are the only one's beating people. Has anyone seen a protestor with rubber bullets? tear gas?
No, not rubber bullets, real ones. Not tear gas, poison gas. Think before you speak (or type in this case). Police are there to monitor and keep the peace. If psychos with guns come or if the police demand they leAve and they don't, police hAve the right to remove them by force. Just enforcing the law. This is not anarchy, moron.
I know that OWS people are mostly peaceful, but if the police demand they leave and they don't, they are breaking the law. Pretty basic.
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No, it is not safe. The organizers are not able to provide anything but the illusion of security & do you want your kids there the time that the tear gas gets used? I wouldn't take my kids anywhere NEAR these protests. They are like kindling waiting for a spark.
Kids were with their carrying-gun fathers at Tea Party protests, weren't they?
Kids were in Tahir Square, weren't they?
This is no different then teaching children religion. Either could be argued to be 'forcing' adult opinions on a child. Both can be considered educational.
It is forcing.
I think children should participate in more Occupy protests. If anything else, so that maybe they can provide protection for their parents from all the police violence. At least I would HOPE that police wouldn't fire tear gas/rubber bullets at children.
If the parents or others involved in the protest cause the situation to decline where law enforcment needs to intervene than they should be charged with endangerment. Other wise there is no reason children should not attend. Although younger children may not really understand what the protests are about.
I have 2 sisters & our parents took us everywhere & taught us all the general knowledge about life that is crucial info! By modeling their beliefs, they taught their young daughters that success can only be attained through hard work & sacrifice! I see nothing wrong for kids to be given the opportunity to learn about politics & how the government works (or not)! School agers should be in school, but this is actually a great family bonding opportunity, aside fom being educational! Also, I think if the police are the 1s escalating the violence, that is a really disturbing developement! You don't get violent with unarmed people! All the police needs to do is monitor, keep the peace & get people to clean up after themselves, no violence necessary!!
Ferace if someone walked into your home would you demand the cops follow the law and remove him with force if he refused to leave? This is no different. They were ordered to leave and refused to do so. Do you expect cops to turn around and just walk away instead of enforcing the law? Time will tell if any cops stepped over the line here. The one fact we do know for sure that if these people had followed the law and left not one thing would have happened.
"And as some protests turn violent, the question remains, is it still safe to bring these tiny protesters out to demonstrate?"
I do not believe you can accurately call kids protesters. They cannot possibly form the consent necessary to protest and will do almost anythig they see others doing...
YES...otherwise they'll be the future's 99%.
I have been to OWS with my children (elementary school age) several times. Not once did I or my husband feel that they were unsafe. A trip to a crowded mall or a baseball game seems much more dangerous. My children learned a great deal about our government and about what it means to live in a democracy. My kids are now talking to their friends and teachers about politics and trying to think through ways to make this world a better place and ways to improve our government. Regardless of where you stand on the political spectrum, isn't this what all of us want for our children? To raise thoughtful, kind people who fight for justice and work to make our country even better!
They are all just cattle anyways, so I guess they should be part of the herd. The kids have social security numbers also, so they are all the same slave.
Actually I guess there is not a middle and lower class anymore, it is all one slave class LOL.
I don't think kids belong at any protest. They are too young to understand the issues and parents are just using them.
Ditto.
Law definition of slavery:
slavery [ˈsleɪvərɪ]
n
1. (Law) the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune
These kids are far too young to understand the dynamics of the issue and are either being blatantly used, or are just there because mommy or daddy couldn't find someone to watch them. Either way, they don't belong there. The "Occupiers" have been casually mentioning the potential for violence, and these idiots bring their kids. This is another reason why I can't support this movement. There people think protesting is a sport. You want to protest, move to Syria.
lol, speaking of law, every protester should rather be yelling heinous civil rights violations and actual law violations, which would include: Enslavement, treason, neglect. After all, the top 1% is being quite heinous.
lol, speaking of law, every protester should rather be yelling heinous civil rights violations and actual law violations, which would include: Enslavement, treason, and neglect. After all, the top 1% is being quite heinous.
I hope none of he kids are camping overnite in Zuccotti Park. Parents would SUE any professional camp that subjected them to such DREADFUL conditions, thoroughly unprepared for the weather as these guys are.
Mountain climbers camp in the snow, too. But they don't do it in ordinary sleeping bags or with ordinary tents or ordinary camping gear and they DEFINITELY do not sleep on CEMENT!
Some of the morons posting here keep talking about the law."if they just followed the law, they would not have gotten arrested, beaten, gases, whatever. What is being protested here is that the law and the lawmakers have been corrupted by the influence of corporate money. The derivative bundling that killed the housing market and sunk the economy WAS LEGAL. No one has been arrested or charged with any crime. There were hundreds, if not thousands of people involved in the ranking of the housing industry. The POINT OF THE PROTESTS IS THAT A CERTAIN VERY RICH SEGMENT OF THIS SOCIETY OPERATES ABOVE OR IN SPITE OF THE LAW; THAT THE LAW ONLY APPLIES TO THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE POOR ( THE 99% ), AND NOT THE RICH ( THE 1% ). SO WHY SHOULD THE LAW BE OBEYED IF IT HAS BEEN CORRUPTED?
Finally some sense. The law is not applied equally. That's a reason to be mad!
I'm going to answer that question in one word. HELL no.
#1 These children have no kind of clue about what this is.
#2 What happens if some trouble makers decide to infiltrate the occupiers ranks and get the police stirred up. These children will be caught right in the middle of it and could end up get trampled by fleeing crowds, or worse.
Parents have really got to be morons to take a chance with their chidrens lives like that.
"Hell no" = two words not one. Duh.
IF you are a Marine, Army, Navy, Air Force or any branch of the Armed Forces, I have only one question for you: are you placing your life on the line to defend FREEDOM or CORRUPTION? If you're a Policeman, National Guard, Coast Guard, etc, do you defend FREEDOM or CORRUPTION? The choice is simple, make it.
Overthrow Obama and his corrupt CABAL NOW!
Bringing children to an area that has the potential to turn violent or even a riot is irresponsible, so is making them sit in this miserable weather (referring to east coast ones of course, or wherever there is bad weather). I was down by wall street today and it was miserable
Children = human shield
Baby shields aren't going to matter if some idiots decide to attack the police. They'll get hurt worse than anyone else because they're so small you can't see them in a crowd of grown ups.
human shields! what good tactics! next time vote you morons for who s gonna do the job right!!! oh ya if you dont like it then quit! you were looking for job anyways when you found the one your at now! word of mouth doesnt work. its whats on paper that counts!
I don't see nothing wrong with children being there. Besides the wall street movement has enough money to pay for damages. I mean, if anything happens wall street occupiers are responsible and they can be sued. They have money.
I find it fascinating that so many people both believe that at any moment the police are likely to bust up a peaceful demonstration without warning, in a highly violent manner, and without a thought to the possible welfare of any children who may be present, AND that this is a totally acceptable state of affairs.
First: The police don't actually strike without warning like that very often. (Tony Bologna and his pepper spray being a notable exception.) Generally people who get arrested for civil disobedience choose to stay and be arrested, while at the same time many others disperse when ordered to.
Secondly, when did it become acceptable in the land of the free and the home of the brave for people to live in abject fear of law enforcement officers? Why do so many people speak as though it is perfectly acceptable for a police officer to violently assault a person with no weapons, presenting no threat to anyone, and seriously injure that person... who is, so you say, to blame for the assault on their person? What the hell?
If you lived through the riots and demonstrations of th 60s and 70s, you would realize how quickly situations can get out of control.
Why take that chance with your children ?
Even then there was generally some warning before things got crazy... Mayhem can break loose at any moment on any day... the world is a crazy place... but Zuccotti Park is not notably more crazy than any place else. I just don't subscribe to the theory that the NYPD is a pack a fascists who are slavering to club my kid like a baby harp seal. I actually think they would rather not.
Cathrine, I'm not talking about the police harming your children. I'm talking about the trouble that can erupt at any time. If you're in the wrong place at that time, well then it's to late.
But bobcat2u, the bottom line is that danger and it's unpredictable nature can never be completely eliminated. Attempting to eliminate it only results in denying yourself the opportunity to pursue your interests without actually increasing your safety. Visiting Occupy Wall Street is no more dangerous, and possibly less dangerous, than taking my kid to a Yankee game, but I have never heard anyone say that kids have no place at a ball game because of the occasional unpredictable behavior of the large crowds, many of whom are drinking.
Lady Catherine, there are dangerous people at the parks and they aint' the police.
There are dangerous people everywhere. Should I nail my door shut and never take the poor kid outside to play? Of course not. I should take her out and stay with her to keep her safe. The only people using dangerous weapons at any Occupations are the police, and I know enough to protect her from them. In part because, as I mentioned, they don;t, thus far, simply wade in without warning launching gas and swinging clubs. They issue many warnings before they start in with the violent tactics. If I were in the park with my kid and they told people to leave, I would wish our friends the best and leave quickly.
My children have spent a GREAT deal of time at Occupy Salt Lake City. We have experienced a great deal of culture, entertainment, and life experience from our participation. I am sincerely grateful for making the choice to include them. Together the three of us have made memories that we will take with us long after this movement is complete. My daughters see the reality much more clearly, that there ARE homeless people, that there are struggling families among our neighbors, and that we can work together as a community to try and bring change for the better. The children ARE the 99% they have just as much right to be there as everyone else. It is THEIR future at stake after all.
So, the losers are wailing that they don't have enough. Fact is, the losers have MILKED dry the budgets of USA and Europe. Now, they protest the loss of their give-aways. As a college grad, I worked very hard to get a better life, while the losers watched SNL, smoked pot and hung-out. Now, they teach their kids to resent the tax-paying "producers" in our Societies. Fact is, if income "equality" ever came to pass, I would get a job at Wal-Mart as a greater and sit on my rear collecting rather than producing. Personally, I TEACH MY KIDS TO WORK HARD AND TO RESPECT THE UPPER CLASS SUCCESS STORIES.
Cliff, I sense a bit of "little man syndrome" running through your blood. Do you think calling less fortunate individuals "losers" will increase your manhood? So sorry for you are inept and harsh critique of others will not cure this for you. Try a surgeon and maybe a little blue pill.
The "losers" don't have any children. They starved to death long ago.
Hope you enjoy all the conformity.
Children who "occupy" anything are only put up to it by their indoctrinating parents. These people should not be allowed to reproduce. We should cleverly think of a way for them to willingly committ suicide. The world would be better off.
"Children who "occupy" anything are only put up to it by their indoctrinating parents. " Sure. You can say the exact same of kids waving the flag at a 4th of July parade or praying in a church on Sunday. You get to indoctrinate yours. I get to indoctrinate mine. That's the deal.
Excellent point.
There is nothing worse than the indoctrination of the Republican Party and their war against the world.
well the phenomenon of social network has been to children take actions to solve some world problem however the companies will should take action to welfare our planet
well the phenomenon of social network has been to children take actions to solve some world problem however the companies will should take action to welfare our planet
Any damage to the children would have occurred long ago in the house. If they are demanding higher welfare, then their protest is just an extrapolation of their experience of their parents always being home. If their parents simply oppose govt intervention, then they will have another value experience entirely.
Should kids occupy Wall Street? Hell, yes, they are far more honest, mature and responsible than the adults who work there.
NO. Kids shouldn't be at protests. There are police and people there that are intentionally trying to bait them into rash action- bad things could happen.
That being said, pro-life protesters are the world champions of using children to push their agenda. Children are prominent at all of their protests.
CNN is now Fair and balanced.
Not if Gestapo Fuhrer Bloomberger is going to start launching his violent terrorist attacks on zee peaceful demonstrators. Zen zee children might become victims of the repression of the free expression of grievances. It is horrible. Bet they are waiting for Halloween. That and the snow.
Don't make your kid go to any type of protest I say. It's not right to make a kid hold a sign that they might not even agree with... I'm incredibly happy that my mom and dad never forced their beliefs in me.
Dear USMC – I noticed you didn't bother providing your name and address. What a tough guy. Being ex military does not give us special privleges when it comes to protests. I feel sorry the tear gas cannister and this guys head tried to occupy the same space but the shear fact he was a marine does not make the accident any more or less tragic. This country or at least I appreciate his service. They were told to leave. He obviously didn't learn how to follow orders.
gee you all are great targets now for some pyscho or terriosts!!! forget the police
It's easy to understand what society wants. They want to have extended families and better life for individuals. They want to end wars and war spending. They don't want banks and government using people's money for war promotion or create germ warfare. Their mission is end poverty, famine, and fake religion. Do you people understand what the protestors are doing?
They are radical thinkers. They fear 2012, earthquakes, earthquakes, unemployment, prisoner's debt...
Great piece of journalism CNN! This is really the important question that needs to be asked.
In the OWS Movement people are not showing up painting Obama as Lucifer and talking about protecting their 2nd Amendment Rights. As a result the cops are not afraid, even though the OWS is also trying to secure the benefits of the very same cops. I guess the top brass of the police has realized when the Koch-TEA system has been successfully imposed (thanks to the fear mongering baited onto the gullible electorate) upon America, their jobs will be transferred to be the privatized security network. As a result, the cops may not have any problems beating up "a bunch of commie kids"
Shame on all the adults who bring these kids out to this mess. Let the children be children and stop subjecting them to adult issues. No wonder we have so many youths out there with severe mental issues. Their parents must have subjected them to some severe adult issues.
The poor kids can't even read the signs let alone understand what it's all about. Shame on the adults. But I suppose when they can't get the older kids who have enough sense to say no, they turn to the kids who have no say so. Shame on the adults.
I am so glad that Christianity teaches that the poor will always be among us and it is God who bless people to become wealthy! Maybe these losers should go to church and see if they can get some blessings instead of waiting on a hand-out and equality. This is a teaching straight from hell!
Equality...who wants to be equal to these losers? Not me!
I wouldn't worry if I were you.
I am sure I could post even on Fox. I tried 3x here, and none got through. I guess thats why you are number LAST for viewership. I will never click to go to CNN news again. You suck.
Hey, my last post made it. Perhaps because I didn't mention the reality of paid trolls.
RON PAUL 2012! THE ONLY INTELLIGENT CHOICE THERE IS TO MAKE!!
Unless you need Health Care and don't have insurance.
Forget about Occupy Wall Street ...Forget about Occupy Oakland!
Red Herrings!
We are going down in flames!
I am the CFO of a small hospital 30 miles north of the Mexican border. We cannot afford to care for our own citizens and were recently forced to give $50K in orthodpedic surgery to a Mexican citizen for FREE!
This 82 year old woman came across the border with a work permit?? Really? No evidence she ever worked here but came straight to us for surgery. Go occupy the border...plenty of pay-offs there!
I am embarassed to be a hospital CFO and apologize to every citizen of this country bankrupted by healthcare costs!
Would the orthopedic supply company Stryker & Stryker give us the $20K in hardware to implant in this woman for free...NO! Would the big pharmaceutical company Cardinal give us the drugs to treat this patient for free...NOO! Would the orthopedic surgeon who makes $550K per year do the surgery for free NOOOO!.
Thank god we are not in Northern California where the average wage for a Registered Nurse is $70/hr while the rest of the country is unemployed.
I do not care about the @#$%! profit margin...we cannot even cover the damn costs from our vendors! I would rather work as a greeter at Wal-Mart for minimum wage.
If anyone has family considering a career in Healthcare Administration, please, please tell them to run away FAST.
I cannot do this any more.!
I QUIT!
Try not to worry so much Theend777, the system in place now will come crumbling down eventually. There is no way it can sustain itself. What you just referenced with your story is exactly what is wrong with our healthcare system.
The money in the end comes from the tax payer in your county. The mexican received their health care, your hospital posts net loss, however your vendors and suppliers will get what is theirs and the tax payers pick up the tab. Welcome to America.
$50 grand for a Mexican Senior Citizen?
I'll bet all those bombs George Bush dropped on Iraq cost a tad more than that each....
The problem with America is Americans. How many of you can give a presentation on our economy, our political system or even the history of our economy and how it has evolved? I can. I honestly believe only fourty percent of you understand our system. What you have heard or read on CNN does not count. The problem is that kids are protesting when they should be studying. The problem is that all of you will buy an electronic device for your children this Christmas instead of a copy of Plato's The Republic. If you cannot understand our economy you should not protest against it. My mother has kid, a minimum wage job and I am studying for my J.D. at Harvard. The only difference between you and I is effort. Grow up America.
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The problem with America is Americans. How many of you can give a presentation on our economy, our political system or even the history of our economy and how it has evolved? I can. I honestly believe only fourty percent of you understand our system. What you have heard or read on CNN does not count. The problem is that kids are protesting when they should be studying. The problem is that all of you will buy an electronic device for your children this Christmas instead of a copy of Plato's The Republic. If cannot understand our economy, the corporations that drive it and the politics behind it you should not protest them. My mother had four kids, a minimum wage job and I am studying for my J.D. at Harvard. The only difference between you and I is effort. Grow up America. I was born into poverty; however, I choose not to live in it.
Pseudo intellectuality, isn't that what they call it? Why not wait till you're finished studying before waving your diploma's. You'll obviously be doing it for years and years to come.
Studying won't change human nature. Studying did't make GW president, nor did it give the money to the Madoffs of the world. I studied. Thay didn't throw their yachts and mansions at me. Studying doesn't change morality. Bottom line is that corruption doesn't need a degree nor is it impressed by one.
Matthew, your post reeks of arrogance. You may have read Plato's Republic but it seems you have forgotten all about Socrates: “True wisdom comes in knowing that you know nothing.”
Just because you think you understand our economy, political system and economic history doesn't mean you do.
The simple fact is that if you are an individual that understand our economy and political system you should be out protesting.
How can one act morally without knowing what it means to be moral. How does one ever learn of the existence of morals? One learns through education. The average American child spends 7 1/2 hours using some sort of electronic device. Now their studies are hindered even further due to a movement that lacks purpose. I suppose in a great democratic nation such we ours we are free to be stupid. Every American is to blame. We have all contributed to our problems. Protesting will change nothing. Even Plato saw fundamental flaws in democracy.
"Aint" aint a word! Please chant it with me: "Aint" aint a word!, "Aint" aint a word!, "Aint" aint a word!
All in all, awww how cute the little kids are!
I wouldn't take my kids to a protest unless they fully understood what it was about and asked if they could be part of it.
Bingo! You took what I was feeling and expressed it better than I ever would have. It's okay for the children to be there if they understand exactly why they are protesting and agree with the views. If your just shoving signs into their hand and saying "hold this because it'll make the country better off", then your children are, unfortunately, tools. If I walked up to your child and read of the list of demands and why they are strongly for them, they better have good answers to back it (that they thought of themselves).
I have spoken to and seen the same type of liberal parents as these OWS ones who refuse to have their kids indoctrinated with the Pledge Of Allegiance but then take their kids to liberal political events to indoctrinate them with that ideology. Makes me wonder.
Really smart move on their part..
I pity the cop that pulls a Scott Olsen on a small child..
So, you'd be willing to risk having a kid shot in the face? Both protestors and police have demonstrated a willingness to use violence -are you willing to expose kids to that?
Kids need to stay away from the occupy wall street movement.
I was at Occupy Denver on the 15th and they stuck some kid on the bullhorn and let him prattle on about how, "I want a future too when I grow up, I don't want it stolen from me."
The kid was probably 8 years old.
He was only doing what he was convinced he should be doing by his parents.
If people want to express their beliefs that is fine with me. Do not start letting kids show up and protest, "down with the British! No taxation without representation."
People who are not mature enough to have an informed viewpoint other than what they have been told need to stay away from politics.
That is probably why this country is in so much political turmoil anyways.
You don't know that to be true. He could have heard the discussion his parents or others were having. One thing that has not been pointed out here is that this generation of children have access to information we never did and for that reason are smarter than we were at that age. So, while it may seem unlikely he formed this opinion on his own. I say go and speak with children between the ages of 8-10 to see just how much they know.
Gaspsssssss Oh my god the kids are protesting. Big deal. As long as they aren't protesting with guns like they do in the middle east who cares. Freedom of speech dummies.
JD-we are not talking about "can" kids protest, we are talking about "should" kids protest.
@Catherine, I love and support your choice to include your children in this. I was brought to a few anti-war protests in the early 2000's in high-school, and I'm no crazier than I was beforehand. Way to go, girl. Mad props. @WHATGIVES You wanted to know who is behind Occupy Wallstreet? People. The website was most likely paid for by one, or multiple, Occupants. There are many college educated people there, I bet out of the thousands of people there were some with web design specialties. @world? Occupy Portland is going strong but it's been longtime common knowledge that Portland police are know to shoot first, avoid questions later, so lots of people go home at night. Our elected officials are ignoring this so far.. Also, to stay on topic, Kids should be allowed to go to these things as long as someone is making sure they don't fall behind in school. What is happening will be memorable for decades, if not longer. Other countries are Occupied! 951 cities and 82 countries..This is bigger than just America..
This ain't heaven or the Soviet Union, claw your way up !! Riches donot fall out of the sky. The core of the capitalist economies is the creation of wealth, hw can this be done with sme fools wanting to occupay wall street. The fools must be lined up n shot before the destroy the world economy.
The majority of the OWS movement actually WANT JOBS. The right wing idea of them being nothuing but a bunch of dole-bludgers is absolute tripe for the overwhelming majority of them. There are teachers right now who are marking their student's papers on Wall Street to express their support. There are nurses who go there in between shifts. Too much cable news for you.
Nathan, your post makes no sense.
Really? Line them up and "shoot them" gee...that sounds a bit like the SOVIET UNION! You have no clue what you are talking about...and you are acting/thinking just like a perfect russian from the old world. Sad. Truly sad.
This is just a way to indoctrinate the next generation, just as when kids were taught to sing Obama '08 campaign jingles. If we forced kids to to chant Right-wing ideals, we'd be accused of brainwashing. But when the Left does it, it's a "teaching moment."
What is this occupy thing again? It's like dozens of causes all rolled into one event. And who said money is the root of all evil? There will always be an income gap unless you live in Russia... So instead of going to get yours you're willing to pop a tent and be unproductive indefinitely. Brilliant. That'll show em.
Shouldn't you be able to bring kids to a protest? Are we at the point where we are to assume protests end in violence?
Maybe the kids are there for protection. Imagine the outrage when the headline reads "Police pepper sprays 8 year old".
Its reminiscent of Egypt. Remember the photo of the old lady protester kissing the soldier? We need photos of kids hugging police in riot gear.
Why shouldn't they be able to protest? They will be paying for this muck up well into their old age... I think they should have a voice .. you bet !
YES Kids should join the movement. it is going to effect them why not let them know the truth about how the corp. world crewed them over. Iam active in not only the occupy protest but many other social issues that need to be addressed and I take my daughter to many of them so she can see not all that is taught in school or covered in the news is fact and that you must seek the truth in a country that has lied to its people for generations.
Why aren't they in school, and why are they being forced to sit through miserable weather and dangerous conditions for a cause they have no understanding of? Child abuse 101.
They are no better than Westboro Baptist freaks that bring their kids along to picket funerals. Child services should take their kids away.
"teachable moment" to educate their kids on income equality"
Scary stuff. Unless you're into socialism and dependency on the government for everything in your life. 'Work hard and you will be rewarded' is what I live by and what I've taught my kids. You want income equality? Put away the picket signs, get educated, go to work, and you too can have a house and a car -without having to beg for it or steal from those who have worked hard for it.
I'm tired of seeing all those young children "protest"! They really don't have any idea what their protesting! The parents ARE putting them in danger whether by police actions possibly getting out of hand or some creep seeing a chance to take advantage. Wait until they are older and have the capability to know what's going on before you bring them to such a setting! .
I'm tired of hearing about left-wing and/or right-wing opinions and the fighting/drama when those talking about it don't agree!
Guess what people EVERYONE has a opinion and whether its left or right/gay or straight/protester or non-protester they are allowed to have that opinion! Stop hating and saying someone's closed minded or say someone's an idiot if they are a conservative or a liberal therefore have views/opinions reflecting that! This is the United States and we are allowed to our opinions and voice them!
Ghetto to say the least
Well said.
What better way for children to learn about Democracy and what makes our country different from others? Protesting is one of the most American things a person can do! Those republicans and conservatives who bash protesters are fascists and do not even understand what America is or what democracy is. All kids should protest the government and corporate greed!
Children can have "a teachable" moment from the safety of their homes. There is enough coverage of the occupy wall street movement on TV where the children can safely watch it and discuss it with their parents – this would be the logical solution. But no, children are going to be used as shields of protection for protestors or as a propaganda, advertising method by the OWS movement. This is so wrong.
I think all children have the right to be traumatized at the sight of the Police chasing them and firing tear gas.
Maybe a good clubbing will knock some sense into these parents' heads.
Note the sign: Association of Musical Marxists.
These clods should talk to someone who escaped a Marxist country – you don't find too many pining away for it.
As a child, I participated in protest activities. As an adult I did as well. In school we all (should have anyway) were taught about the American Revolution, Civil Rights Movement, etc. I'm sure if the internet was around then people who have the same comments that have been posted on this blog about the OWS protest. Children will learn something from this, whether they have a clue or not right now. They will learn about their First Amendment rights, they will learn that their parents stood for something, instead of sitting at home doing nothing. So at the end of the day, as long as these children are not being physically, emotionally, medically, or suffering from neglect, let their parents decide whether they should be down there or not.
What I meant to say is as long as these chhildren are not harmed physically, medically, emotionally or neglected by being there, (that can be proved in a court of law, not by bloggers who don't agree) then let their paren't decide
Kids are not as stupid as you old folks were when you were there age: so yes they should be in OWS! And stop putting perverts in everything as they are in the world, just be on guard! This is the internet age not the carrier pigeon age!
If your living in a park obviously you dont have a job and when you get sick and hungry isn't that same government your protesting going to be the one providing your medical and feeding you? If you really want to teach your kids something go to work and teach them that we are responsible for our own decisions. if you work hard every day you too can have what you want.No one is going to come up and hand it to you. If you sit in a park like a bum blaming "the system" for what you dont have well, you wont have what you want . Regardless of what you think that you are doing we are all seeing your greasy heads and nasty clothes and just think your a bunch of bums who dont even know really what you are protesting. You have no leader you have no organization you just go hold a sign in a park day after day.
Kids should not be involved in OWS much in the same way they shouldn't be involved in force fed religion. They are too young to have an opinion of their own, so programming them with the opinion of another is purely taking advantage.
I think it's really a great idea to expose your children to a social conscience. Considering the ways in which the politicians have been raping the populace since the 80s, it's not safe for the 99%ers anywhere. If you take your children to the protest, they will learn that part of the responsibility of living in this republic is making sure you're aware of what's happening to you and to every other person here. Like I said, a great idea.
It's probably best to teach kids the importance of being able to offer a solution rather than just complain. That kind of spirit happens with people that get things done and succeed in life. Teach your kid to be a complainer or a solution to a problem. Tough decision huh?!!
I have a granddaughter which will be born in April and when she takes her first breath will owe this country over $46,000 to a corrupt system , being run by 1% of the population and if this does not bother you and you can look your children in the face knowing they are in the same boat then your just a sheep and you bow to these tyrants. you cowards,Go Occupy its time for Change!
The 1% would be fine with cutting programs and balancing the budget. The 99% are the problem there. And no it's not a tax raising issue. Taxes are decided by who is in power at the time and after the decision the government spends within it's means. You can always vote for a tax raiser next election and change the vote in favor of raising taxes.
Educate.... or indoctrinate?
I don't mean this in a hateful way, but when do the protesters leave - to look for work, etc? Or have they 'given up' on the idea completely?
Some thinking is involved but here are some ideas, some of the protesters living in NY City, go to work at their part time jobs, then come down to the protest. The protesters that are retired or on disability, come to NY City for as long as they can afford it to protest. Students going to school in the NY City area, can attend school, then join the protests. Then there are people laid off from their jobs, they can stay as longs as they can afford it. My guess is there is a lot of young people there that can't find jobs and have maybe given up for now, getting their parents to help out till they can find work. Also there are going to be just regular people there, unemployed, frustrated, and see this as a way to protest against greedy corporations. Just some of my ideas, here's an idea for you think for yourself.
Seems people use 'The Children' to further their cause – such as Teachers here who, when they couldn't 'agree' on how big their pay raises were to be, brought the 'crying children' into the school board meeting AND it worked – they got what they wanted!!!
Here, it's looking like these people think the 'Gestapo' won't Tear-Gas them if they've got the little ones around but I would suspect the 'rich people' that were 'elected' really don't care about the 'poor people's' kids anymore than they care about poor people, LOL
They DO NOT want any FREE-THINKERS in THEIR Society – just good little worker-ants to do their(the Rich) bidding without any squabbles – Get in Line people – it's for your own good – they'll take care of you, LOL
Believe what you want but leave the children out of it, children believe whatever their parents tell them.
when the radical right christians take their kids to anti abortion demonstration filled with disgusting violent images it's not wrong, when the tea partiers bring their kids along it's not wrong, but when the hippie/commies do it.......
WOW!!!!
You have no idea what you're talking about, but you sure are angry.
Considering that congress is never going to fix the problem, none of us adulst are going to fix this problem and we're all going to just shove it and all this debt down to the children and say "have fun" then yes, I'd say they should be out there protesting the HELL out of this.
As one who actually escaped socialism regime, I can tell you that it's nothing more than a soup kitchen for 99% and a embassy reception buffet for the 1%. Once you become part of its structure, thru bribery or ideological chanting, you start living in own capitalist subculture and look outside through a reversed telescope – everyone else becomes so small, it mostly doesn't matter. Greed is universal but if you have none, then then 'occupy fields and streams' instead and make it like a kibutz. Good luck, and you can bring your kids there if you all like wearing same overalls.
where did you come from ... what country?
The same one that made their children wear emblems of socialist revolutions and regularly demonstrate happily, indoctrinating commune ideology, all from the appropriated churches and palaces where 1% lived and worked in. Not much is different there after thirty years, with the approved oligarchs and political oppositions playing with powers of 1% in their fake elections, open and shut economy, with 99% just working harder in a post-perestroika free-trade world. Social soup kitchens are still there with their free healthcare and ed, which you wouldn't consider adequate by paid-for standards and with banks and government indistinguishable from each other, milking the 99% who actually has to get up every morning to convert energy into rubles. But the government-planned economy with life-jobs are gone, so it's pretty much the same as here now – survival of the fittest. Go ahead, give your kid a flag and he is content for a day, but teach your kids to protest and they will never be bored by regular jobs.
frankly any and all political rallies should be free of kids since they do not have the knowledge at such a young age to legitimately voice any opinion ... this would apply to any kids that show up at a tea party event too.
@ this would apply to any kids that show up at a tea party event too.
Thank you!
I disagree with the overall argument but, The Tea Party has used their children – but call the OWS group children abusers ; funny how they twist the picture.
@Scott, Someone, CITIZEN, USMC, Darrius, Alex in Bremerton, WA, Joe, Bill, Crawford, CraigB, j. von hettlingen, Adrian, Stan Marsh, Nena, LCSWquilter, Jeffrey Root, NielsH, Aequatio Demon, Stephanie Palmer, et al: THESE ARE THE TRUE AMERICANS THAT I WOULD STAND BESIDE.
The Tea Party is the real TOOL (for lack of a more time-appropriate label). Any Tea Party member that makes less than $250K, has been brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh.
The Children are subjected to religious beliefs; that by scientific standards, (a disproven hypothesis) would be considered “junk science” (believe what you wish – its’ our right). Each day these same children are subjected to racism, class-warfare, and favoritism; but with the belief – that education is the keys to success. Now the cost of that education (for the shrinking middle-class) is vaporizing; the spending cuts are being aimed at what Tea Partiers call socialism. Let the children learn how our countries freedom really works.
When President Obama was elected, the extreme-right were threatening civil war – and ran to purchase there weapons; that the “Muslim-Terrorist” was going to take away. Now we are moving a major step closer toward what I would call the “AMERICAN-SPRING”.
It is my hope that peaceful minds will prevail, and send a message back to Congress and the 1/2/3%, we’re not going to take this without a fight; be it peaceful or be it by historic means.
How can you hope for peaceful minds to prevail after posting so many lies and all that hatred?
Those of you who are dumb enough to believe your children are going to pay your debt because of wall street shouldn't be allowed to vote. The sad truth is the government's deficits are almost exclusively drive higher because of Medicare and Medicaid. Don't want your kids to have to pay your debt, then pay for your own damn healthcare.
Oh. And while we're at it. Let's move the protests to Fannie Mae and freddie Mac – they owe the tax payers half a trillion dollars. I'm sure there are plenty of people protesting that have Fannie Mae insured mortgages (and not many people on wall street do since the caps for mortgages that are insured are low, so low that it only benefits poor and middle class people). But thye won't. They're hypocrites that want to blame others for their misfortune while not taking any themselves.
Of course children should attend. It is their future we are talking about. Remember that in our past children use to be self-reliant helping us on the original homesteads. Now we panic at the first thought of a child attending a political rally? How backward. Here in BC (Canada) we are working with students to occupy the schools as their is a union struggle. Trust your kids to get involved.... that way they can be part of the solution instead of just dealing with our problems in the future.
Correct. If these assassins, rightwingers, conservatives and the 1% who steal and kill people to steal oil and keep their profit high continue on power, there will be no future for kids.
There will be no future for your children if all you teach them to do is occupy a sidewalk where people who can't hold a job even in a good economy defecate.
Here's the dirty little secret, Jose: They're not the 99 percent. They're not even the one percent. Because 99 percent of them will be too wasted to vote next November.
They just don't know it yet.
Why, sure.
There are definitely plenty of details like that to take into consideration. That is a great point to convey up. I provide the ideas above as common inspiration but clearly there are questions like the one you bring up where the most important factor shall be working in trustworthy good faith. I don?t know if best practices have emerged around things like that, however I'm positive that your job is clearly recognized as a fair game. Each boys and girls feel the influence of just a second's pleasure, for the remainder of their lives.
Thats not so cool