CNN’s Security Clearance blog reported yesterday that according to the U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the Obama administration may transfer combat helicopters from existing Marine inventory to Turkey.
“The DSCA has formally notified Congress of a possible sale of AH-1W Super Cobra Attack helicopters to Turkey. The notification was required under the U.S. Arms Export Control Act. Turkey's ongoing fight against the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK, is one of the reasons for the proposed sale a State Department official told CNN.”
This arms sale has led some to ask: Could this come back to haunt the United States, leading the PKK to carry out terrorist attacks against American targets?
Turkey expert Soner Cagaptay, a Senior Fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and co-author of Regenerating the U.S.-Turkey Partnership says “not a chance.” He argues:
“First of all, this external focus is missing from the group’s ideology. The PKK is a terror group established during the Cold War with the aim of fulfilling a nationalist dream. In other words, it is very much like ETA in Spain, and not at all like al Qaeda in the Middle East. The group’s raison d’etre is not jihadism, but virulent and violent nationalism.”
“What is more, it would be a suicidal act for the group to target the United States. PKK attacks on American interests would unleash U.S. fury against this already weakened group that could result in its annihilation. The PKK’s major bases are in northern Iraq controlled by the Iraqi Kurds who are America’s friends. Iraqi Kurdish action against the PKK, supported by the United States, would be the PKK’s death knoll, and the group knows this well."
Selling weapons to Turkey and helping Ankara pacify the PKK is a rare case in which Washington can have its cake and eat it. Soner Cagaptay believes this sale is good for the United States because:
“Since the beginning of the Arab Spring, Turkey has emerged as America’s key ally in the Middle East. Turkey fiercely opposes Syria’s brutal crackdown and this angers Damascus as well as Bashar al-Assad’s patron, Iran. In retaliation, as I explain in the post Why Syria and Iran are becoming Turkey’s enemies, again, Syria and Iran have started encouraging the PKK to attack Turkey. In other words, a proxy war is taking place in the Middle East: Turkey and the United States are lined up against Iran and Syria, which hope to use the PKK attacks to change Turkey’s policy."
“If the PKK is successful in hurting Turkey, then Ankara will stop confronting the Assad regime and Tehran. The United States needs to help Turkey become more effective against the PKK. In this regard, news that the White House is considering to give Ankara helicopters, an effective counter-terrorism tool across mountainous terrain, is most welcome.”
These are Soner Cagaptay's thoughts. We'll have more perspectives in the coming days. What do you think?
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if the US gives the weapon to turkey it means it declares war on 40 milion kurds who live in Turkey, iraq, iran and syria..Turkey have been a good example for newly democratic arab countries...in Turkey only few month ago 1000s of civilian kurds were found in mass graves killed by turkish army who routinely conduct extra judical killings of civilian Kurds..
i mean has not been
Arms deals know no mercy and ethics. If the U.S. doesn't sell to Turkey, other countries will! The PKK will get Russian made arms from somewhere, of course nothing to compare with the high tech weapons from the West.
The PKK has been massacring innocent Turks for too long. The Turks have been fighting back slowly, killing the militants one by one as they are caught. Why not mention the tends of thousands of murdered Turks killed by the PKK?
No why dont we talk about how much innocent Kurds the Turks have killed? PKK is just fighing for there country and fightining for freedom. Let the TURKS come after PKK and well see what happens.
Right Kurds killed thousands of Turks just like 1.5 million Arminian didn't massacred by vampire Turks.
Forty thousand people have died in the war with the PKK, giving weapons is not a solution. Turkey must find a democratic solution. The military solution is never going to work. Plus the Turkish government has killed thousands of people in a dirty war– human rights workers, writers, journalists... there is no freedom of the press there, people are jailed for "insulting Turkishness" ... I think if America was smart it would use Iraqi Kurdistan for it's military bases and tell Turkey clean up it's human rights situation before we give them any weapons. Unfortunately, our government is as corrupt as Turkey's.... the USA just doesn't care. But it's going to come back to bite us. And you can see very clearly from the tone of the comments here, that nationalist Turkish people (note I make a distinction between Turkish people and nationalists) have a foaming at the mouth, narrow minded bloodthirsty aggression, there is no rational argument. It's a mistake to give weapons to people like this. The mentality is "revenge". It's very feudal.
more worst God will revenge US in diffrent ways so i ask us not to do that it revenges killing of those innocent and thier opperessin upon US
Sometimes oversimplifying leads to untenable conclusions. The characterization of Kurds by lumping them together is one. Distaste for Turkey allows the writer to overlook the fact that Turkey and the Iraqi Kurdish Government have no friction over Turkey pursuing PKK into Northern Iraq. Peshmerga have had their own skirmishes with the PKK.
In Syria the Kurdish population does have a distinction between long established Kurd populations and Kurds from Turkey and Iraq who have been in Syria for one to three generations. In recent weeks Kurds have begun demonstrating against the Assad regime.
In Iran, Kurdish anti-regime activity centers on PJAK. This dependent of the PKK is clinging to holdouts in the Qandil Mountains area of eastern Iraq
Although recruits come from Turkey, currently PKK recruits tend to be weighted towards Kurds from Syria and Iran. PJAK recruits are from Iran.
Dario’s premise regarding the drones and AH-1Ws are based on misperceptions on, if you will, greater Kurdistan.
See my blog about Turkey's violations of human rights this weekend to see whythis is a very very bad idea to sell these things....www.istanbulgibbs.blogspot.com
Hi Jeff,
So shall we expect you to write similar blogs about US, France, Italy and UK any soon ? Oh sorry I forgot these are perfect countries...And of course they never used any weapon at all against civilians and they always obeyed human rights...What a beautiful world we live in...:)
I believe Turkey has long way to go to truth Democratic state–they have a law banning criticism on Turks, so Armenians can't say anything about Genocide during WWI.
Turkey supports illegitimate Turk Republic of Cyprus and frankly speaking–why Kurds can't have their own country?
You should udnerstand that PKK is not figting for Kurdish people. PKK is a terorist organization. They are using Kurdish people to reach their goals. and US,Israel,Germany and France are the main countries which support PKK financially and provide weapons and training mostly Israel..
You ask for Kurdish independence, then why not USA let Palestine or Northern Cyprus be independent instead of blocking them their rights in UN?
Eat your heart out.
As ATATURK said "ne mutlu Turkim diyebilene" and "Yurtda sulh Cihanda sulh"
How fortunate that some one cane say that he is Turkish and Peace in the nation and the world.
Study the events surrounding WWI and you may understand what British cost you
Dario,
Your claims here are unfounded. Please stop giving false information to people.
Here is a small list of your self-created pseudo-facts and some basic comments :
1- "last week Turkey has used internationally banned chemical weapons against Kurds..world should not stay silent and boycott Turkey!!"
Total rubbish with no supporting proof whatsoever. Where do you get these rubbish ? And how can you easily believe it ?
2- "if the US donot allow the war to be balance we will have to attack civilian Turks too"
PKK (from which I understand you are a member of ) has been killing and nearly always killed civilians. And tragically mostly Kurds. So if you think until now PKK was fighting against Turkish army ...thinkg again...
3- "innocent Kurds who fight for their freedom"
What a romantic spill on a terrrist group who can even kill Kurdish babies in south east. Kurds are already free in Turkey. Like Turks living in US. They are citizens who can vote, who can be elected(and indeed they are in the parliament) and in the last couple of years (finally) they got their basic language rights. So those innocent Kurds are already integrated to the society. If they werent there would be a huge civil war with nearly 1/4th of Turkish population.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,711536,00.html
any one speak about kurds are terrorist in turkey and 99 percent of this country is muslim and diplomat' you can read hundreds of intellectual forums news etc you can not see any turks around but when talk about kurds yes you ll see those warrior turks. i m do not have an any relation with any kurds for daily lives etc or my family and my family from eastern turkey we are 7 brother sister all of us are out of country (no body live their country for fun this is guy will say no discriminitaion but its stick your ass all your life even you ask those people they says east of turkey is in hunger because of pkk funny)
baz when i m liitle kid 30 yearsago there wasnt any pkk in my fathers villlage one your army shots from the head 6 people then gues what now no young people in that village almost 500 young people is in irak mountains .
did you idiot ever think why people live their home and live in mountain even your army is ass do not want t to stay there for afew days . I cant belive how this turkish people works i did try to understand all my life yes you are total racist nation .. you just came that 1077 thats mean only 1030 years now instead of racism read some about kurds idiot . Not your offical dictators m kemal ataturk history read some other source pls and when you look to mirror next time please call your self racisit.
The kurds helps turks when they firs time win the war whic they came in to anatolia and in that time the soldier of roman empire kurds they change the side during the war and believe me one day they will close that door for you
look that this ..
Give the Turks anything they need asap, they helped us everyday in Afganistan, Iraq, those 3 cobra's is only a stop-gap until Turkey roles out it's first 12 of a potential of 600 attack helicopters next summer, all made in Turkey. Give them anything they need, predators, slammer missiles etc. Turks will even role out the new ANKA-I advanced UAV followed by the ANKA-II (Armed version) with the new "CIRIT" missiles, new and even more advanced than the US stinger missile, and the new Turkish SAGE Standoff Missile all throughout 2012-13. The PKK are little rats (even their ugly women fighters) from the mountains, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Like my boy Bush says, "You're either with us, or against us, make my day, Punk!"
could you prove this please ?! where did you read this about the 1000 civilian kurds killed by the turkish army ?
turkish army is helping the victims of the earthquake in Van Turkey, where 90% of the people are kurds ! and what does the PKK do, they attack the soldiers and attack the aid convois !!
why does this hate come from? I am a Turk and I live in Turkey like so many of my friends who are Kurds live in Turkey. We have the same right. we get same education. we vote in same places.
There is no war between Kurds and Turks. there is Turkey's military defending our SAME county from terrorists. PKK is a totally terrorist organisation. Lets not talk about " Turks killed so many Kurds" I lost my uncle and causin with boming attack to a public bus by PKK along with 7 other people ( some are tourists from dif countries). shouldn't I need to get mad at Kurds? but I lnow the difference between Kurds and PKK.
if you live in Turkey, governement is yours and military is yours. they are also defending you so when PKK boms someplace in Turkey, your loved ones dont get hurt.
today there are lots of different etthnicity live in USA. do they get weapons and attack the govenmet for their rights or do they try to take over one state and make independent county for them? NO
I suggest to everyone to think logicly. in this world, nothing worth to kill someone. If you concern about Kurds too much, you wouldnt let them join PKK and go live in mountains like animals !!
Turks have not alowed Kurds to fight for their rights in parliment and jailed elected Kurdish MPs who never involved in violence..so for Kurdish youth PKK is seen as the only way to fight for Kurdish rights
You are an ignorant uneducated biggot.
Kurds have full right in Turkey, what are you talking about? The main reason people intend to think they are oppressed is because we won't allow Kurdish as an official language in the country. I would assume you're an American. Would US ever agree to make Arabic language ever an official language in the country? I guess not. They can speak it in the street loudly nobody would do anything. They are opening their private school with Kurdish as its official language and we encourage them in doing so, it's allowed.
As for the jailed Kurdish MPs, they all have been convicted as having links to terrorist group PKK. Would you agree an Al-Quaedi member as a senator? I guess not.
Prior to talking without knowledge, atleast put yourself in the people place and try to think that way. Your psychological abilities though may be to limited to success at it.
You apparently never learned Turkish history very well, Kod. But then again, the people taking up for the Turks here most probably never finished grade school!
kod
Are comparing Arabs in USA to Kurd in Turkey.. That is nonsense. Kurds lived in homeland for thousands of years, even before the Turks emigrated from Mongolia. How do like if after WWII , say the Greek took over you land and would not even allow you to educate in your language . My friend, be fear Kurd are people like the Turks. The problem is not PKK; there is a Kurdish rights problem. Negotiation with democratically elected Kurds representative is the only solution. Peace the Kurds and Turks need not more war machines.
Kurds do not have "full rights" in Turkey. Kurds are still jailed for speaking their language, they are not allowed to have education in their mother tongue, and in these days they are victims of lynching and all kinds of prejudice. Kurds in Turkey are like Black people in the 1950's America... it's dangerous for them unless they try to "pass" as Turks. I'm American, not Armenian, not Turkish. I've seen for myself, and I've also seen the outrageous behavior of nationalist Turkish people (I have wonderful Turkish friends but nationalist are frightening)... who are not a good advertisement for a democratic Turkey. There are laws in Turkey banning criticism of the state and of Ataturk (article 301), furthermore, giving drones to Turkey which is so close to Iran these days seems crazy to me.
All Armeninan's are waiting for a news about Turkey to slander and false accusation. I see this all the time from you tube to news paper blogs. Their parents raise them with hatred agains Turkish people. So Dairo, why don't you write in another blog realted to Armenia and don't waste our time with your bullsh... Let Kurds talk here. So we would know the truth.
While the experience of Kurdish Mp reflects Sorany's assertions, the position that implies young Kurds look only to the PKK is false. Also overlooked is something that goes beyond effective political representation.
Eastern Turkey has been shorted in terms of public infrastructure, jobs, education, healthcare, and now, response to earthquakes. This can't be done by Kurdish MP alone; so it's also a political issue. The PKK cannot bring about a rump Kurdistan, and it can only bring pressure by prolonging the agony.
Hopefully the US provides the Turks with the weapons. I support wiping out all terrorism for some darn peace.
Sorry folks, I never posted that idiotic and mean-spirited comment above. I'd thank this jerk to vomit his ignorance under his own name instead of mine!!!
Why does America always wanna stick there nose into everything? Always tryna start war FIRST of all PKK is not a terror group there just fighting for there country and fighting for peace and freedom. Turkey hasn't done any good but kill and murder innocent Kurds. They will get whats coming for them PKK will always fight back. If kurds had gas like the Suadi kamals America would help us out and make KURDISTAN a country.
Now... who does not know their history?
PKK has been recognized as an international terrorist group for over a decade. And calling the terrorist group "Kurds" is a gross over-generalization. There is no doubt that there have been many wrong doings in the Turkish History to many ethnic backgrounds. However, not all the people who have been wronged take up their arms and go up to the mountains. In fact, it's not even a sovereign country Kurds are fighting for, perhaps you should look more into that as well. PKK wants a state, sponsored and paid by Turkish Government. It obviously is not a possibility.
There is a problem, and there's a solution to this problem. Terrorism and PKK is not a part of that. The terrorist group inevitably will be eliminated. There is absolutely no question about that.
The solution to this problem will be economic and diplomatic, have no doubt about that. There is no hate in Turkey against Kurds, the hate is towards PKK.
One other piece of information to you that you might find useful in your future dealings when you're stating your half and inaccurate opinions: As the founder of Turkiye clearly stated, anyone who feels that they are a part of Turkiye, who is a citizen of Turkiye is a Turk. It has nothing to do with your race, ethnic background or belief system.
Oh one more piece of information?
Any idea how PKK gets its money?
Illegal drug transportation.
FYI.
I hope US will never provide Turkey with weapons against Kurds–Kurds live in that land much longer than anybody else.
Then let's all pack and go back to Europe since Native Americans lived in USA much longer than we Europeans came and massacred them. If only we knew what were the boundaries of tribes in stone age, then everybody would retire to their original homelands. Now that is an idea.
Your name is no Matt but ignorant Turk who is ashamed of that Mongolian name.
The government of Turkey has committed more terrorism than the PKK.. more than 3000 villages burned, a million and a half displaced people, several massacres (let's skip over the Armenian genocide and start with the genocide of Dersim in 37 and '38 which killed AT LEAST 70 thousand men, women and children. Turkey uses chemical weapons on it's insurgents– there is plenty of evidence for this. The PKK is not totally innocent, but in the scale of things, what the Turkish government has done is far worse and if the USA supports them, out of our ignorance or greed or both– there will be blowback. I'm very disappointed in my own country and in Obama's decision.
PKK is a rag tag organization of cut throats and thieves who's daily life begins with rubbery. They are stooges of foreign government and the highest bidder, which at this time it is us. We will use these poor people to cause mayhem for other parties involved, Iran, Syria and Turkey and will use them to do our bargaining with these countries.
President of Iraq, NOT the Prime Minister Nuri Almalikie, but the president is Kurdish and he knows who he is dealing with. He has had his battles with PKK way back, where in the 70th and 80th they were doing Saddam's killing for him. That is why they don't care much for this bunch and who kills them.
Get real.
Esther, your comment above is a slap in the face to our own founding fathers here since that was also true of them. After all, our founding fathers and the Kurdish PKK have the selfsame goal of achieving their independence!!! Evidently. you know very little about Turkish history too.
If our founding fathers killed innocent babies in their beds, then they were terrorist too. But I recall they fought the British soldiers and a ruthless King who were actually killing babies.
What is "rubbery"?
Is it some form of sleazy body contact?
To AGS.I fail to see the logic that Other people would have done worse means that Erdogan now mreits a reward. One is rewarded for their positive actions, not their lack of negative actions.Erdogan was elected under the premise of dialogue and reform, and Kurds have seen none of that. Under Erdogan\'s leadership, Turkey has continued its crackdown on activists, politicians, and journalists in an attempt to censor all dissenting views under the name of fighting terrorism . Erdogan is admired in the West for being a moderate Islamist leader (aka shock and awe that he\'s not a bearded violent crazy Muslim ) and for supposedly taking a strong stance in supporting the Arab Spring. Both achievements are exaggerated and neither are sufficient to merit Person of the Year when his crimes continue to pile up.
Wherever you say , i can tell you are turkish teerorist state propaganda and back round of Ottman genocide empire.
Thank you, sam. Like you say, the Turks have always been barbaric and still are to this day. Then again, the right-wing thugs in Washington have neither morals nor scrupples themselves so they'll probably give those freaking Turks whatever they want, sadly enough!!!
John, do you know how many Ministers, Professors, Lawyers, Doctors, Senior Military Officers, successful businessmen, Members of Parliment, in Turkey are Kurdish? Do you know what proportion of the total Kurdish population in Turkey support the PKK? Obviously not, so stop making a full of yourself; go and join an Open University course or visit the nearest library in your neighborhood and do some research.
John, once again you're ignorantly wrong! Both the right wing republicans and the liberal democrats agree that the PKK is a terrorist organization. Both parties of the government want to see peace in that region and will do anything to support Turkey. They know the importance of Turkey, weather it be today or in long history. Don't think for one second that the USA or anyone else for that matter will ever support the Kurds over the Turks.
Ahh, you noticed. Don't resist.
Please come quietly
Sam, I told you to stop posting on here, you're embarrassing yourself and your Kurdish brothers by writing like a 5 year old.
dirty usa policy when kurdish smell freedom turkish start fuming
Remember when US air dominance over Northern Iraq provided the two peshmerga armies to push back and establish a Iraqi Kurdistan Government?
No?
You must have been born the day before yesterday...
Definately not!!! I know there are a lot of moral pygmies here who'll strongly disagree with me but I strongly advocate that these horrific Turks be somehow compelled to grant the Kurds the independence they so soarly deserve. Unfortunately, Washington D.C. is crawling with a lot of low-class people willing to do anything for a buck. Moreover, the Turks have always been barbarians throughout much of history and in fact, Pope Urban II called the First Crusade(1096-1099) because of this barbarianism toward the Christins living in Asia Minor.
Hey pipsqueak, why are you dissing pygmies? Think height makes you a better person? There’re a lot of people out there taller than you…
So you want the United States to go to war with Turkey so that it will slice off a hunk of its east, stomp on Damascus until it does likewise, and then war with Iran until they give up some territory to suit PJAK? Are you out of your fracking mind?
And you assert Turks have always been barbarians (Sorry Conan) through much of history. So what you are saying is that those barbaric Turks have been around longer than history? How is that freaking possible? That’s like, duh?
And Pope Urban, bless his soul (can I do that?), the First Crusade sent a lot of the peasant army into slavery before ever getting to the eastern Mediterranean. And when the other army composed of knights and their servants and logistics train (they were richer) took Jerusalem in June 1099, the knights set about slaughtering its Jewish and Muslim inhabitants. The humble knights then set up a kingdom that swore fealty to no state, much less the Byzantine empire.
Here's another ignorant Tea Partier with nothing on his mind. People like this Dave Takaki think that they're funny when they're not. People are being killed and this jerk wants to make a joke out of it! Enough is enough!
Please write your congress to grant independence to Northern Iraq so that Kurds can have an independent state. Somehow a big opportunity is being missed, don't you think? Now, I wonder why?
of course not Turkey is a barbaric regime,and history is witneesed that ,US must support people not govermets to operess its people not allowed them to have thier own rule in the majority provines.
The United States is NOT a gunslinger for hire. But we do freelance, sortuv...
Turkey is nato ally we shouls support them
Hey you, could you post that mumbo-jumbo under your own name? This above post which I never posted in the first place is making me look dumb!!!
John,you're ignorant, not dumb! Although I could be wrong.
Syria is going to go different from Libya. That said, Incirlik AB over the border to the north will probably see more activity come late winter...
Yes, Turkey is NATO member, but that doesn't mean we should support whatever they want to do.
Turkey has been very close to Iran in the last few years, it's very dangerous and crazy to give them weapons. All that technology can go straight to the Iranians. Plus, the PKK, PJAK has been fighting Iran. We're making a huge mistake.
It is wrong to sell Turkey weapons to be use against the PKK?
PKK are not an enemy of the USA, they are fighting for Kurdish people right in Turkey. Kurds under the leadership of PKK wants to be friend of the US, EU and Israel.
Turkey’s Islamic Government are not friend of Israel and USA
PKK are not an ally of Iran and Syria in the upcoming war in the region. Turkey’s Islamist Governments are trying to revive Ottoman Empire by using the US and EU.
Kurd wants to be friend of the US, EU and Israel but so far the US and EU preferring friendship with Islamist of Turkey instead of Aryan Kurds under the leadership of PKK.
Time will tell that the US and EU are wrong, supporting Islamist Turkey are going to bring more problem for the US and EU interest in Middle East and Asia. Islamist Turkey are using the US and EU.
Islamist PM of Turkey is an ally of Islamic terrorist organization in the Arab world. Turks are standing up against Israel and Jews today and they are going to stand up against the US and EU tomorrow.
PM of Turkey was trying to use Shi’a Iran and the US but Islamic Shi’a of Iran is aware of his double face policies.
PKK are not part of Iran and Turkey’s conflict in Syria.
PKK are seeking peace for Kurds within Turkey and the region.
Hamma Mirwaisi
Member of the Kurdistan National Congress (KNK),
Representative of KNK in America
And the author of the book, “Return of the Medes”.
PKK is not fighting for the right of the Kurdish people in Turkey.
PKK is a terrorist organization that smuggle drugs in order to make money.
The solution to the problem will be within Turkey, under one roof in peace, once PKK and their worthless leader is eliminated.
if you read the history you read how the ataturk move total Kurdish population many many time to mid turkey and killed alot. those Muslim who you talk about are educated 500 years by ottoman and lived with them. mr soldier of jihad.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,751600,00.html
this link is feb 21 1927 and dont read every thing just the description of your holly leader mustafa kemal ataturk and you ll happily see the word DICTATOR which press his picture on cover.
Tukey's Islamic Government? It's the Turks that are secular, not the Kurds. The Kurds in the south are the one's that are backwards, un-educated and historically religious.
How many Kurdish fathers kill their own daughters because they "think" the girl's honor is damaged because a random boy talked to the girl in the market? Countless!!!
how many years ago turk come anatolia 1071 malazgirt battle. and last 150 years turk try to destroy kurts who is native of hat land even pkk talk about peace more right to kurds and your prime minister erdogan just talk about destroy. and i cant believe the us politics save erdogans imams here in Pennsylvania for long years..:) last time turkish army obviosly used chemical guns at kazan valley. how ever the kurds open anatolina doors to turk at 1071 (kurds change their side and from roman empire army they switch to turkish side )one they will help you the owner of land kick you out then you ll understand racism is wrong way
Martin Luther King Jr.
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
two people who achieved their aspirations and paved the way for the end of oppression on their people. neither of which fought with weapons to achieve their goal. soldiers fight soldiers. terrorists blow up bombs in public places. if you want peace lead by example.
I sincerely wish Peace and Own Country for Kurdish people ,but done non-violent way.
oh so if any group of people want to secede from any country, that's ok with you. what gives them the right to take that land with them? if 100 people said oh we're taking this city with us, who's to say that's not their struggle and their right then?
the kurds have all the rights they've asked for and need. so no need to kill innocent soldiers and civilians for so called kurdish rights. kurds' representatives are in the parliament. whoever supports these bloody killers is a terrorist too.
KNK is a terrorist organization directly supporting the PKK. Please get his/her IP address and arrest this person.
Ft this usa every one has fredoom of speech go back to turkey and arrest every one doesnt think like you not here usa racist man.
Give the Turks anything they need asap, they helped us everyday in Afganistan, Iraq, those 3 cobra's is only a stop-gap until Turkey roles out it's first 12 of a potential of 600 attack helicopters next summer, all made in Turkey. Give them anything they need, predators, slammer missiles etc. Turks will even role out the new ANKA-I advanced UAV followed by the ANKA-II (Armed version) with the new "CIRIT" missiles, new and even more advanced than the US stinger missile, and the new Turkish SAGE Standoff Missile all throughout 2012-13. The PKK are little rats (even their ugly women fighters) from the mountains, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Like my boy Bush says, "You're either with us, or against us, make my day, Punk!"
Another right-wing idiot here who apparently never got past the 5th grade in school, judging by what he posted above.
Not being able to answer but try to answer back in a idiotic ways is defines "being 5 grader"..... Like you do...
Who needs to think when everything is black and white, and where weapons, not humans start and prevail in armed conflict. I’d chose having the will to fight over a weapons catalog any day. And that boy Bush, well, he’s just another drugstore cowboy with a big hat and no cattle. Whole lotta of dried chips in that empty feedlot.
I’m positive about Turkey in many ways, but that doesn’t put me in your corner.
And since you apparently haven’t been watching, Turkey isn’t focused on the PKK or PJAK. The focus is on Syria. FM Ahmet Davutoglu has all but said to Bashir Assad, “You’re next”.
For a select few, Incirlik AB is going to be the new downrange…
wavv you speak about alot of war killer machines . you should think why a woman goes mountains and live her house to fight think think and think again. look your words ugly woman offens every where ?
Is Turkey an ally of the US in fact as well as in name? I wonder! Its current prime minister is creating an Islamist state, not only betraying the democratic ideals of modern Turkey's founder, Ataturk, but also adopting a foreign policy close to those of Iran and Syria, undemocratic supporters of terrorism. Turkey is attempting to play both sides of the game, just like Pakistan. The US should take these factors into consideration before treating Turkey as a true ally. And incidentally, why shouldn't the Kurds have their own nation?
Jeez, if you’re wondering about something, go find out. Your comments indicate you should go about edifying yourself…Turkey is a bilateral ally as well as a fellow NATO member. To characterize PM Erdogan’s foreign policy as seeking closer ties to Iran and Syria is absurd.
Apparently you have never studied Turkey’s evolving foreign policy (who’s FP doesn’t evolve?) since the shift began about ten twelve years ago. And not to dismiss Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, but if you are looking to Turkey’s current foreign policy, consider Stratejik Derinlik, or Strategic Depth, published in 2001 by Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey’s current Foreign Minister. He was involved in the FP shift before Erdogan became PM in 2003.
Turkey is if anything in the process of dismantling Iran’s strategic influence as it gears up to logistically support the FSA and provide it with safe haven from the Syrian Army.
Expect Turkey’s military to encourage the FSA to conduct cross border attacks in a manner that encourages Syrian Army units or militia to chase in hot pursuit into Turkey. That will be a casus belli (excuse) to expand intervention.
Eugene, first of all you just dont give people there own state because you want them too or feel they should have one. If thats the case then we should give back the US to the Indians and Mexicans, etc. That kind of thinking is just ignorant. Also to claim that the current government wants to be like Syria or Iran is again ignorance. Turkeys interest in Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc is to peruse its economic advantage. Is the USA Islamist because they are heavily in bed with the Saudi's which are the most religious fundamentalist Muslim country in the world? Are you getting the picture yet? Its about money Eugene. But I'm sure you don't want to understand that considering that you have an agenda. Stop playing the spin game.
I agree with you completely! Kurds have right for own state.
if america gave independence to its states,turkey will also give independc kurds:-)
Pakistan was hiding Osama Bin Laden. Therefore your opinionis worthless.
US's biggest problem in the middle east, in the following years, will be Turkey's nationalism and expansionism. Remember this.
Syria's regime will be over soon, with or without Turkey's help and Iran could be dealt with different policy approaches, like those discussed by Fareed on the last GPS.
Are you familiar with Stratejik Derinlik, or Strategic Depth, published in 2001 by Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey’s current Foreign Minister? Davutoglu's intention to supplant Israel as the United States' strongest ally in the region even as it continues to assert Turkey's ascendence into a regional power has thus far proven successful. The vacuum created by the Arab League, Iran's isolation, and Israel's loss of street smarts in its (Avigdor Lieberman is much to blame) Foreign Ministry has aided Turkish Foreign Minister Davutoglu's shaping of the region.
How are you not aware that Turkey is in the process of dismantling Iran’s strategic influence as it gears up to provide logistical support for the FSA and provide it with safe haven from the Syrian Army. The drones being transferred to Incirlik are likely to have their ATOs switched from watching the PKK in the Northeastern Iraq AO to Syria.
Expect Turkey’s military to encourage the FSA to conduct cross border attacks in a manner that encourages Syrian Army units or militia to chase in hot pursuit into Turkey. Turkey will manage this intervention with Syria with US and or NATO in the background.
Remember this.
Davutoglu's policy has failed till now. At this point Turkey must be the only country in the world that has bad relationships with every country in a radius of 500 km around its borders. Everybody realised Davutoglu's "zero problem with neighbours" policy is an other word for "submit to Turkey's power". And imagine he tries to establish this even now that Turkey has not enough power, imagine when Turkey achieves this power...
The doublet Erdogan-Davutoglu in Turkey's leadership is dangerous not only for the region but for Turkey also and they will put their country in serious troubles because of their ambitions,
Considering that Turkey is not and doesn't look to be a new member of the EU, and revealed itself to be a lousy friend to Israel by allowing a flotilla to leave it's ports to break a blockade, The idea that the Turks will become a closer ally of the US than Israel is absurd! Unlike the Turks, the Jews and Americans have an understanding and a shared culture that Turkey cannot hope to match. Further Erdogan has undermined the secular government established by Ataturk and right now the US is not enthused by Islamic nations. His penchant for putting journalists in jail, reveals what kind of a leader he is. Turkey won't be able to make any progress with the west until Erdogan is gone.
Good God, NO. But of course, somebody somewhere will sell them sooner or later. Probably Russia or Germany. Don't we have enough war games going on yet?
What's happening isn't a game
Kurds act like rats, Palistians act like rats, Somlia islamists act like arts, taliban act like rats, pakistanian islamists act like rats, Syians act like rats, lybians act like rats, egyptian islamists act like rats and is there a common theme with Islam? This is truth look at news in the world about them...
So if we in the West live the daily rat race, what does that make us?
Hey, who stole my cheese?
The United States National Treasury nor American lives should be spent on these rats. We have wasted lives and money on rat infestations with very little promotion of humanity. Russia and China like rat infested countries and Putin must have a hairless tail between his devil's legs.
You REALLY don't like rats.
I really do not believe that we need to provide these weapons to Turkey. In 2003 my unit occupied Sinjar Province. If we had not had the direct assistance from the Top Kurdish General and his men, we would have had a blood bath. The Kurds did an outstanding job assisting us with securing this area. They were EXTREMELY LOYAL and TRUSTWORTHY and were fearless when we engaged Arab extremist.
I would like to see Turkey allow Kurds within its border to move freely for trade and information. It is similar to Cowboys and Indians. We still have a hard time reconciling our own issues. These people should be happy that Saddam is not in power and that their quality of life has increased since the war ended.
Like you I would wish for a just solution for all Kurds. And as to Native Americans, they weren't given citizenship until 1924, after women in 1920.
I can appreciate your respect for peshmerga, considering your being up against the Syrian border, and the Iraqi-Syrian frontier being a line on a grid or quad. But peshmerga aren't the PKK, and yes I have mixed feelings about them and PJAK.
But front and center is the impending intervention with Syria where Turkey is already shaping the parameters of what will be an insurgency that will attempt to expand with desertions from the Syrian Army to the FSA's ranks. Unfortunately for the PKK, it is somewhat allied with the Assad regime and relations with the peshmerga armies is poor.
Jim you are in idiot my friend! The Kurds that helped you are the Peshmarges and are not affiliated with the PKK lunatics. We already gave them the entire Northern Iraq and that is not enough for them, they want all of South Turkey which will never, ever happen. Are you willing to give New Mexico, Texas, Utah, Arizona, Colorado to Mexico? Too many morons here don't understand that the majority Kurds are living in peace inside Turkey with much more freedom then they ever had under Saddam. It is the proxy group PKK that kills other Kurds and creates unrest that the Turks want to destroy. I can't believe the US military sends people like you to war, you just don't get it Jim! It was the Turks who delivered your ammo, water, food supplies in Iraq. Turks are NATO, if one goes, everyone goes. If we give Israel 3 billion per year and apaches, we can give Turkey 3 cobras. When the new Turkish spy sat goes online early next year at 7 meter resolutions, it will be a game changer. The PKK training camps will be found and if it is found in other ally nations, those camps will be destroyed by the Turkish Airforce. I hope Turkey rethinks that Euro Typhoon package of 100+ aircrafts with full tech transfer until their F-35's arrive.
At least Jim sees the conflicting values and imperatives. With you its all binary, right and wrong. Things in the real world are far more complex. I find your fascination with weapons and weapon systems as impoverished.
And by the way, a seven meter resolution means that the optics cannot distinguish objects smaller than 22 feet. In the terrain of northeastern Iraq I wouldn't call that a great leap forward when MQ-1-9s or RQ-1s have a much higher resolution and can be redirected without using up finite fuel supplies onboard an intel sat.
Also, I don't agree with the current government in Turkey but they pulled the nation together and they will never allow sharia law, rest assured. They put Turkeys economy at 13 in world and targeted 10 by 2023 and they are not lazy ad most importantly corrupt. They won't be in power forever guys, calm down.
Odd way of looking at foreign policy and international relations...glancing comments with little substance to support ideations
I read in many military journals that close to 50% of the US marines, army and navy are incompetent soldiers that are recruited from the ghetto and undisciplined (don't know if this is True). I want to get Jim's views on this. If the Turkish army had US technology and weapons they would be an example for all. When Turkey gains nuclear power within the next 5 years, and the money saved from gas and oil imports (around $75 billion per year) diverts into research/development, space technology, education and military defense spending, look for Turkey to surpass France, Germany and the UK. Turkey is slowing developing, it's new Altay main battle tank about 1,000, and the milgem ships I heard will be around 12, and the TF-2000 destroyers around 12, with 2 LPD's and mini aircraft carriers. The only reason why France is so stable is due to over 60 nuclear reactors and never had to worry about oil. Turkey should have gone nuclear when they did 40 years ago. When you don't worry about oil, you can focus on other areas like fine tuning your military.
That 7 meter resolution is the GokTurk-1, GokTurk-2 in 2q-2014 with better optics will be at 2 meters (around 6 FT resolution). 22 meters is not that bad, open up msn maps and zoom in at 20 meters, you can still figure out the objects. The ANKA's will also have optics that can view great resolutions. Turkey will also get the MQ-1 and maybe the RQ-1 if the bill is passed.
You need to remember they will be observing other nations with that Sat to see if the rumors of PKK training camps are true in nearby nations, Greece, Armenia, Syria, Iran, Jordan. I understand the regions conflict much more than you or Jim as I have been following this region since the early 90's, when Turkey took in 600,000+ Kurdish refugees after the Gulf War, 40% joined the PKK. Unlike you I am a forward thinker and 'my fascinations with weapon systems' is to list the progress of Turkey, pal.
Why does America always wanna stick there nose into everything? Always tryna start war FIRST of all PKK is not a terror group there just fighting for there country and fighting for peace and freedom. Turkey hasn't done any good but kill and murder innocent Kurds. They will get whats coming for them PKK will always fight back. If kurds had gas like the Suadi kamals America would help us out and make KURDISTAN a country. FREE KURDISTAN
Sure sell them weapons.
We sold our soul. We're nothing more than a super bully that commits mass murder. Screw this place, it's just another insane country on the planet Earth.
Boohoo, if you don't like it...
The U.S should stop selling weapons to Israel who killed thousands of Arabs with these weapons .
The majority of individuals on here have no clue about military technology. 3 Super Cobra attack helicopter are nothing for Turkey but a stop-gap measure. 3 attack helicopters are not game changers. They are negligible. Even if congress does not allow such sale it will have absolutely no affect on the Turks. They are producing a highly advanced attack helicopter which uses state of the art US technology which has been transferred to Turkish Aerospace Industries. The US abandoned the Comache attack helicopter program. Turkey purchased the engine technology for this and applied it to an Italian attack helicopter design it purchased from Agusta Westland. The product is a highly advanced lethal attack helicopter the T-129.
I think that Erdogan is still a problem, and Turkey's hostility towards Israel makes the matter more problematic. Turkey has a long way to go towards becoming a stable, secular government that supports a free press. Turkey did not help the US in Iraq, so let them worry about the PKK on their own. Friends don't provide harbors for fanatics trying to break blockades, and then get upset because the blockade was successful. Countries like that don't make good friends. Let's see the Turks get rid of Erdogan and move back towards secularism before the US provides it with support!
How unfortunate that we Kurds in Iraq believed that the U.S.A. is our friend. But the U.S.A. helps our enemy (Turkey) by providing wapon to kill the Kurds. No wonder that the U.S.A. becoming so unpopular among all the kurds. As of myself Iam already disgussed by the obamas administration for supporting all the terror states and groups in the world for a fistfull dollars. I hope my fellow Kurds will wake up and see who is our true enemy!
Unfortunately, Goyje, you're quite right. The right-wing thugs in Washington are acting only in their own self-interest and couldn't possibly care less for you Kurds. In fact, their only interest in your part of Iraq is the extensive oil deposits there. Until we somehow manage to vote these amoral, self-serving people out of office, there will be no true peace in the Middle East!!!
Only if Turkey posts videos of exploding towel heads on You Tube.
Terrorism has no language/ethnicity etc.. so if we are fighting Al-Qaeda with Turkey's support then we should support their operations against PKK. American people are with Turkish People on any anti-terror action!!!
Another ignorant, Turk-loving Tea Partier here. Don't worry, the right-wing thugs in Washington will give those Turks anything under the sun, compliments of the American taxpayer!
if it creates jobs here... why not.
We sell to anyone who is willing to pay...
Kurds of Iraq are already angry of the US for leaving Kurds in the mercy of Turks and arabs...Kurdish people not leader in Iraq will suport PKK until turkey recognise Kurdish rights..US should make a moral decision and not help Turkish dirty war against innocent Kurds who fight for their freedom..if US donot respect Kurdish people, we will look for other weapons that can inflict heavier casualties on Turks..after all Kurds will never give up their rights,,if the US donot allow the war to be balance we will have to attack civilian Turks too
Kurds never see the US as an enemy and therefore they should not alienate Kurds too..
Just like the support Turkey is currently giving to the US in it's fight against Al-Qaeda, Turkey will receive assistance in it's fight against the PKK. The PKK is a terrorist organisation which does not believe in democratic values, only in violence and intimidation of the local Kurdish population.
I came to conclusion from your comments that it is diffecult to get to right or wrong side, but lets be human, why spending billions of dollars on weapon to kill other whether kurds or turks, why not pumping that money into economy to improve the life of turks and kurds together, turks and kurds both are terorrists when they not stopping killing eachother, the only cleaver guys here are american by watching us killing eachother and making money of us. people always expect goverments to make first move and changes, but I don't think turkish goverment has took this move as yet,
1.PKK is a NARCOTRAFFICING organization. They are now addicted to the drug money.
2. PKK does not represent anybody except their own members.
3. More Kurds were murdered by PKK than anybody else.
well we kurds rather die by kurds and anybody else
The PKK is a terrorist organization recognized by the US State department. If the United States doesn't want to help out, then it shouldn't classify the PKK as a terrorist organization – and perhaps let them come over to the States to open a bureau to promote their violent Marxist, nationalist ideology, and see how that works out.
Otherwise it should s.t.f.u. about 'them evildoers', and 'if you're not with us, you're against us' rhetoric, and drop the hypocrisy.
If we don't sell them, the Russians or Chinese will.... its just that simple...this way there is some political leverage...
last week Turkey has used internationally banned chemical weapons against Kurds..world should not stay silent and boycott Turkey!!
Gadafi has not used chemical gas against libyan but a NATO Memeber turkey did..Turkish leaders should be tried for crimes against Humanity..
search on youtube and see the victms
turkey is fighting terrorists armed with heavy weaponry. kaddafi was bombing civilians. turkey killed 49 armed terrorists last week, and 0 civilians. if these were by chemical weapons, let them be, as it protects lives of innocent soldiers.
Gadafi like Turkey was killing revolutionary youth..Turkey in the recent month has arrested and kidnapped many civilian activists and burried them in massgraves that the world is silent about it...
PKK is a terrorist organization. As such, the US should sell the Cobra helicopters to a NATO ally that is fighting a war against terror. The PKK sets up roadside bombs, kills innocent civilians (including Kurds), traffics drugs into Europe and regularly crosses the border into Turkey from Northern Iraq to engage it's violent campaign. Kurds in Turkey enjoy as much freedom as Turks do. This terrorist organization's true aim is to destabilize the region and to divide Turkey. Many outside sources are also funding this terrorist organization for their own political goals which in most cases is to prevent Turkey from gaining power in the region or to prevent it from joining the EU.
Kurds in Turkey enjoy as much freedom as Turks do" it's easy to type when you know it's not true.
I know it's true, because I've seen it. The Kurds have their own political party (BDP). They can purchase land, marry a Turk (which happens all the time), speak in Kurdish, etc etc. Just because many Kurds leave in a poorer region of Turkey (East) doesn't mean they don't have rights or are being mistreated in any way. I have many Kurdish friends who agree with me. The PKK is a menace to both Turks and Kurds.
PKK is NOT a terriost group for the last damn time. Oh really? The Kurds in Turkey are living the life right so your telling me Turks havent killed millions of innocent Kurds? Your just a crucial person and your a bandwagon.
hi
im a kurd what you guys are saying is just hating on eachother. you guys are talking about PKK being a terrorist organization lets go through a quick quiz and see whats has happened in turkey
Firstly ten years ago when i went to turkey you listen or talk kurdish on the streets or anywhere you will be arrested and turkish police will do alot of things to you in prison? Pkk didnt stop now we are getting school language muzik tv channels you may say what else do they expect the main thing they want is let me give u a example in United Kingdom its one flag but got 4 different goverment inside thats what us Kurds want and socialism in turkey.
Secondly someone was on about democratic and some one was on about earthquakes what democratic changes have turkey achieved zero one biggest example in 1999 another big earthquake had happened turkish goverment got funds of citizens to improve the homes in turkey 12years have gone pass wheres the funds off the earthquake gone let me refresh the minds its gone to north off turkey renewed the motorways and many homes in north turkey whats happened to the south the south where the babies are dieing right now.
Thirdly you guys are on about political ways it has to be sorted fair enough Kurds has given a try off everything to bring the peace what does fasist Turks do we bring out a political party where are the members in prison for being kurds remind you again they aint and havent been involved in any attacks or terrorisizim protests at all.
If i was to go on about it will never finish i guess i properly be the youngest one who has writen anything on here and a person who has sit down and listen to both sides for one second think and feel it from the heart and you will understand the truths.
i had forgotten to add am agains usa off selling weapons to turkey let turkey be independant and not rely on others and sort this 30 odd yrs war
There is no doubt that Kurds in Turkey should have their democratic rights; and it is not fair to label their struggle in this path as terrorism. However, I believe that Kurds should always think of peaceful and democratic methods to achieve their rights. But let me talk about US’s possible deal of selling weapons to Turkey against PKK.
First of all, PKK is not a group like al-Qaida and we know that with all the pressures on this organization inside Turkey and abroad it has a significant support among millions of Kurds in Turkey. Therefore, it will be very unhealthy deal for the United State if takes only armed guerrillas in mountains in its consideration. Selling weapons to Turkey to kills Kurdish rebels might cause backlash for US, and seriously damage its image among Kurds who are counted by many as one of the closest people to the United States in that region .
Second, the United States should not look at the PKK in same way that Turkey does. We know that it has been for many years PKK exist in that region, in Turkey, in Iraq, in Syria and in Iran; PKK has many supporters across the world, mainly in Europe and a great voice among Kurds in Turkey; but never has done anything against Americans citizens or US interests. Contrary, we see that they always have tried to be close to the United State and in some cases, indirectly, have helped US in its mission to succeed.
Let’s talk about their presence in the Qandil Mountains or all along Iraq border with Iran where now Turkey wants advanced weapons from the US to push PKK out of those areas. From 2003, PKK has guarded thousand kilometers of Iraq’s border with Iran from being a safe haven for terrorist groups as al-Qaida and Ansarl al- Islam; the groups that many times Iran has tried to settle them there against American soldiers and to undermine US mission in Iraq.
Third, one might think that the United States now needs Turkey’s satisfaction to help bring some changes to Syria, more clearly to throw out Bashar al Assad’s regime. There is no doubt that Turkey wants a regime change in Syria may be more than any other country; and this is why when Arab Springs and uprisings arrived Syria, Turkey immediately forgot the famous “Zero problem with neighbors” policy and backed the Syrian opposition. However, question is this: are the outcomes that Turkey is preparing or working for in Syria after Assad the same ones that the United States wants? Considering deep and long time relationships between Turkey’s Islamic rooted government with Islamic groups inside Syria, Hamas and other groups, the future Turkey has drawn for Syria remains under question; and this is something that, might explain Israel’s concerns about Syria’s future.
After decades of chemical attacks on Kurds in Iraq by Saddam Hussein, still Kurds are very angry at western countries and blaming them because of selling those weapons and materials to Saddam’s regime. Now, Kurds in northern Iraq have very fruitful and friendly ties with the Unites States because of removing Saddam’s regime. With all these it will be a very weak decision for the United States to ignore Kurds and provide Turkey the weapons it requires against Kurdish rebels; as we know these weapons will not help to bring a peaceful solution to the Kurdish issue in Turkey.
turkish teeroris state.
PKK is definitly want peace for Kurds but not peace at any cost, rather a peace with dignity..PKK declared one sided ceasefire many times..and even send a group of fighter to hand themself to police as a good will gesture,,but all the PKK who gave themself in were jailed and tortured. and turkey continued attacking them..Turkey want to get rid of any one who declare himselfe as a Kurd..to be an accepted Kurd in Turkey u have to want to study in Turkish, must hate Kurdish leaders who faught for Kurdish rights in Turkey and love those who massacared civilians Kurds..
Turkey conducting silent genocide against Kurds with the help of US weapon. Turkey uses chemical weapons on Kurds. how can the US justify supporting Turkey?
Dear Sirs
Mr Soner Cagaptay, is not an independant Turkish expert but a messenger of Turkish state that has been oppressing Kurds for many Years..so I donot expect him to give impartial views on the issue
Even arguing about this subjet is wrong. Turkey is a US ally, a Nato member and PKK is wordwide recognized as a terrorist organization. Imagine Turkish people are questioning their support to US agains Al-Kaide . It is the exact same thing. The US should do everything to eliminate terrorism worldwide.
God I love to see the day that china and russia hit the US of A with atomic bombs, hahahaha i will love it, I am as intelligent as god and as bad as the devil, I will do anything to bring these two countries to war against the US of A. We as PKKs are everywhere and the criminal us, and britain know this fact well, also they can never defeat the PKK even if they dispatch every criminal american and uk soldier to fight the PKK because PKK is the people, and if the west wants to carry out genocide against the Kurdish people, well then noone can stop them ha, let them come. The US and The UK helped the former iraqi regime in arabising Kurdish cities and genocideagainst my beautiful Kurdish people, and they have been continuously helping each and every regime in the region to kill and slaughter the Kurds they think we dont know, they helpedshah in killing Kurds, they helped successive iraqi regimes in killing Kurds, they have been helping criminal turks in slaughtering Kurds, the WEST esp Britain and America and partly french and germany. Maybe so well they defeated the taliban and iraqis then they can defeat my beautiful, brave and strong Kurdish people. hahahah to the west swear the west is history whether they like it or not. I am moving to either china or russia, so best we can do, we will do to hit the west. Maybe china is stop, not knowing the west always hits its interests, like in libya and other places in africa and the middleeast, the dragon isasleep heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy x i love u west hahaha
God I love to see the day that china and russia hit the US of A with atomic bombs, hahahaha i will love it, I am as intelligent as god and as bad as the devil, I will do anything to bring these two countries to war against the US of A. We as PKKs are everywhere and the criminal us, and britain know this fact well, also they can never defeat the PKK even if they dispatch every criminal american and uk soldier to fight the PKK because PKK is the people, and if the west wants to carry out genocide against the Kurdish people, well then noone can stop them ha, let them come. The US and The UK helped the former iraqi regime in arabising Kurdish cities and genocide against my beautiful Kurdish people, and they have been continuously helping each and every regime in the region to kill and slaughter the Kurds they think we dont know, they helped shah in killing Kurds, they helped successive iraqi regimes in killing Kurds, they have been helping criminal turks in slaughtering Kurds, the WEST esp Britain and America and partly france and germany. Maybe so well they defeated the taliban and iraqis then they can defeat my beautiful, brave and strong Kurdish people. hahahah to the west swear the west is history whether they like it or not. I am moving to either china or russia, so best we can do, we will do to hit the west. Maybe china is stupid, not knowing the west always hits its interests, like in libya and other places in africa and the middleeast, the dragon isasleep heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy x i love u west hahaha
God I love to see the day that china and russia hit the US of A with atomic bombs, hahahaha i will love it, I am as intelligent as god and as bad as the devil, I will do anything to bring these two countries to war against the US of A. We as PKKs are everywhere and the criminal us, and britain know this fact well, also they can never defeat the PKK even if they dispatch every criminal american and uk soldier to fight the PKK because PKK is the people, and if the west wants to carry out genocide against the Kurdish people, well then noone can stop them ha, let them come. The US and The UK helped the former iraqi regime in arabising Kurdish cities and genocide against my beautiful Kurdish people, and they have been continuously helping each and every regime in the region to kill and slaughter the Kurds they think we dont know, they helped shah in killing Kurds, they helped successive iraqi regimes in killing Kurds, they have been helping criminal turks in slaughtering Kurds, the WEST esp Britain and America and partly france and germany. Maybe so well they defeated the taliban and iraqis then they can defeat my beautiful, brave and strong Kurdish people. hahahah to the west swear the west is history whether they like it or not. I am moving to either china or russia, so best we can do, we will do to hit the west. Maybe china is stupid, not knowing the west always hits its interests, like in libya and other places in africa and the middleeast, the dragon isasleep heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy x i love u west hahaha
who says Turkey is a friend to usa in the region ? name one friendly act they have done for usa since the libration of Iraq ?
america should not and can not delete Kurds in Turkey , they are 1/4 of the population , usa should better push turkey to peacefull negotations to solve the Kurdish problem .
there is a big kurdish problem in Turkey, there is a big racisim in politicians and in state TVs , just look at the recent earthquake many politicians and TVs expresssed happiness for Kurds being killed by quake !
there is a big problem in Turkey, USA should not take side of Racists by giving them weapons .
they should better listen to Kurdistan Regional Government's advises to hold peacefull negotations to solve the problem of Kurds in turkey, not to delete them . they are not deleteable .
Given Turkey's brazen confidence in the Middle East and the unchecked ultranationalism of its citizens, I would think the more pertinent question is not whether the sale of weapons will turn the PKK on the US (obviously, no, since the PKK can do without yet another enemy and besides, the US is already heavily aiding and abetting Turkey) but rather whether those weapons in the hands of the Turkish state will only be used against the PKK. Will Turkey one day threaten the Kurdish region in Iraq with the same weapons? Will Turkey threaten American forces? Israeli forces? Greek forces? It's anyone's guess but I guess when it comes to $$$, it's $ first and thinking that comes later...
int this article, one guy, Soner Cagatay, talks like barbaric turkish army spoke person, And another turkish commenter are lying about kurds. Turks are good at cheatting rest of the world about kurds, armenian, greeks, christian. I know them well . They ara perfect liers. They massacres, kills and come to play victim role. This is disgusting! Shame of america if they give this guns this barbaric country. Everythins is not only economy, take care a little bit about human being. Don't support this mongolian massacerer.
Amerikans should be happy to have Turkish peoples operating your Charter School education, we knows more how to educate than your corrupt system. Our schools teach Turkish character and culture to improve your children in the world they must know the language of peace set forth by our Hocaefendi Fethullah Gulen.
http://www.gulencharterschools.weebly.com
http://www.gulenpoliticians.blogspot.com
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/34651
Under his direction, Turkey has transformed from a secular state into an Islamic country with 85,000 active mosques – - one for every 350- citizens – - the highest number per capita in the world, 90,000 imams, more imams than teachers and physicians – - and thousands of state-run Islamic schools
this is his imam !!!!
and this movement (imam fetullah gulen even he doesnt has high school diploma) has supported by us politics for 20 years and he is still in here Pocono Pennsylvania with the money of American peoples tax. wake up America those or your moneys kills people around the world without your knowledge.
NO... U.S. should not sell Turkey weapons to use against the PKK
Turkey has not alowed Kurds to fight for their rights in parliment and jailed elected Kurdish MPs who never involved in violence.
Turkey used chemical weapons against Kurdish PKK rebels
Unfortunately the mentality of Turkish doesn’t change yet and they still do not realized that they are not important as they were before fall of communist and they still want to do what eve they want without any one tell them that is wrong, let us see briefly who many problems does created in the area, They have problems with Greece, Cypress, Armenia, Syria, Iraq, Iran. Although the problems inside their country such as Kurdish, Christian, the Alawis, and many more. But the in the near future we will see how the Turkey will divide as suppose to be long time ago.
Why should the US have to care about Peace in Turkey?
Peaces in Turkey are serving the US interest better than selling weapon of wars to Islamist Governments of Turkey.
Since World War II the US Governments business of selling weapons of wars was very productive to the US economy. For last sixty years the US, EU and Israeli’s enjoyed money profit from arms sales. It was morally wrong to do such business but who cared about human right, religious doctrine or moral values.
please continue to read the rest of the article below:
http://kurdistanjaff.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-should-us-have-to-care-about-peace.html
Turkey used chemical weapons against PKK
German website Der Spiegel says examination of photographs of eight scorched Kurdish rebels shows Turkey used chemical weapons
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3935422,00.html
Turkey used chemical weapons against PKK-Video
https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=174983632588897#!/video/video.php?v=174983632588897
I'd hardly call a hebrew newspaper a credible report as they have an agenda against Turkey as well as the so called German investigators, as Germany is known to fund the PKK $9.0000,000. You people would believe anything that comes out against the Turks. Give me something more credible and I'd believe it, but so far, all I'm seeing is here say. Nothing more. I'd hardly call it evidence.
where is those moneys come from??????????
http://www.voicesempower.com/major-investigation-of-gulen-charter-schools-by-new-york-times/
I SUGGEST THAT USA TELL THE KURDS THEY SHOULD HELP THEM WHEN USA ATTACK IRAN AND USA CAN USE THE KURDS LANDS TO DO SO AND IF THATS OK THEN ASK TURKEY NOT TO DO SO , BUT IF THE KURDS HELP IRAN THEN ATTACK THEM AND GET RED OF THEM.
We all know the Turks piece is not a people but are Brbrion and drink human blood and are not a pkk Brberan they did not kill millions of people in Arminba and Kurdistan, Cyprus, Greece..............
Since PKK is purely a TERRORIST organization, and Turkey has been USA's major Ally since 1950s... I think selling them 3 Helicopters to hunt down TERRORISTS is the right call.
Turkey isn't going to let a bunch of ragheads divide their country just because they wish to do so... keep wishing.
You pig desired racist crap minded people! How can some body say yes to this question if he or she has not been blocked in his her mind and heart! I ll actually not even mention the moral because l don’t think the one say yes to this question will have anything about moral. Anyway Turkey clamming pkk as terrorist organization as well as the whole Kurds whom ask about their rights as terrorists, which means if you are a Kurd and don’t ask about your rights in the point of view of a thirsty to blood turk, means, you are a good kurds, otherwise you are a terrorist. Lest come to the definition or meaning of Terrorist! l don’t think anybody has right to call anybody Terorist unless everything about them been proven! If turkey step back their foot over the right of Kurds pkk will immediately except to leave guns and come too fight for their right politically which was the foundation of it, but Turkish government laying as always and even luck up the whole politicians of kurds, politician who fight for kurd’s right in the political arena. Pkk fight for their own right whom made up from kurds, but they are called terorist because they fight by the government! One should know that if one’s rights are banned and blocked in social life politically and in all other ways, one has right in any way to fight for his her right without be called terrorist.You call terrorist to somebody who harm things for their desire while there is no problem or they want more than the other! But kurds and pkk wants their basic human right language,political,economical rights, and to play an active role in the society. If you god damn against minded still don’t understand and blame kurds! Think about it vice versa that all your right has been taken from you and been killing everyday in every-way. All they want id basic human right like you have! A human cant say no to this if the humanity root still exist in he she.Are There any human in the world!
Instead of establishing the friendship with other peoples the US Administration misguided by some businessmen make more troubles for American people. Why you should support a racist regime like the Turkish regime against a people who seek freedom? Why you should support the new Islamic caliphate (Turkey) against a people who seek your friendship. PKK is not a terrorist organisation. On the contrary, they are freedom fighters fighting your well-equipped ally the racist and terrorist regime of Turks. You'll never feel sorry because you have no sense of sympathy towards others. These were you businessmen who supported racist regimes as the Apartheid killing and torturing thousands of innocent!
Feel a bit shameful and have some sense: Kurds gusted the American soldiers at their homes and celebrated the American flag not only in Iraqi Kurdistan, but in Syrian and Iranian Kurdistan. Do you believe that you should loose such people and make them a new enemy only to satisfy a racist and terrorist; the Turkish regime??!!
Feel a bit shameful and have some sense: Kurds hosted the American soldiers at their homes and celebrated the American flag not only in Iraqi Kurdistan, but in Syrian and Iranian Kurdistan. Do you believe that you should loose such people and make them a new enemy only to satisfy a racist and terrorist; the Turkish regime??!!
Feel a bit shameful and have some sense: Kurds hosted the American soldiers at their homes and celebrated the American flag not only in Iraqi Kurdistan, but in Syrian and Iranian Kurdistan. Do you believe that you should lose such friendly people and make them a new enemy only to satisfy a racist and terrorist; the Turkish regime??!!
I hope people who are not familiar with this situation are not fooled by these kurds posting their lies. Turkish Soldiers (some barely experianced 20 year olds) are killed by roadside bombs and mines. and they do this for freedom. i will tell the kurds this, as long as a turk is alive, our country will not be divided. Today kurds have as much freedom as turks. they have have kurdish channels. When kurds die in Van from an earthquake they are quick to request help from their government, next day they would get their weapons and attack turkish soldiers. You people are vermin and disgust me.
Turkey is a racist an terrorist state. Exactly as the Pretoria state based on Apartheid the Turkish racist state is based on the racist rules of Atatürk. Kurds seek the friendship and support of the West; Turks seeks Islamic expansion! It is shameful that American accept giving weapons to Turks despite the fact that Kurds hosted the American soldiers at their homes in Iraqi Kurdistan while Iraq was burning under the land of American solders.
Turkey is a racist an terrorist state. Exactly as the Pretoria state based on Apartheid the Turkish racist state is based on the racist rules of Atatürk. Kurds seek the friendship and support of the West; Turks seek Islamic expansion! It is shameful that Americans accept giving weapons to Turks despite the fact that Kurds hosted the American soldiers at their homes in Iraqi Kurdistan while Iraq was burning under the land of American solders.
First of all, if you read Abdullah Öcalans book, "The democratic solution of the Kurdish question" when he says; It would be impossible or unreality to make a border and create our OWN country, the Turks and Kurds have living for 1000 years ever since the Turks came to anadotolia year 1024 after christ, what ever would happen the Kurds and Turks cooperated every war, but when the National State Liberalism came to anatolia, the separatist were expanded in the other hand Mustafa Kemal wanted to give the Kurds their own autonomy, but a komplot were to happened against Mustafa Kemal by the Turkish separatist. And I only want to aware that Mustafa Kemal was good to Kurds and Kurds were good to Mustafa Kemal and not like the Turkish state does mention today.
PKK does not demand or struggle for separate state, PKK are not like they say in the media that they are separatist, PKK are for a united and a democratic society that every ethnicity and no matter what religion you believe in should live tighter and forever.
PKK does not get help from other countries like Germany, France, England or US, If you remember Turgur Ozal when he where assassinated by Gladio and international agencies just because he wanted to make a solution for the Kurdish problems in a democratic and peaceful way.
When they caught Abdullah Öcalan, the Turkish premie minister said that he is chocked why all this international agency energy were used just to caught PKKs leader.
US and other western countries only have economic and political interests in these matters just for their own countries sake.
And buying US equipment is only causing more problems for Turkey than solving the problems, the Kurdish people are the most thirsty of peace than any other people in this world.
Turks, Kurds, Iranians should be role models of peace in these days that even the Palestine and Israil problem will be solved. A democratic solution for the middle east problems is the biggest fear for the western hegemony states.
I wish and even Abdullah Öcalan wishes that the tears of Turkish AND Kurdish mothers will be stopped, and that is when the Kurdish and Turkish people will go against the state and the Western ideologic of society and recreate a new system in the society where freedom and peace will be a fundament.
Im living in Turkey for many years , and i can say PKK is a terrorist organisation who fights for a Kurdish country that never exist in Turkey . PKK killing Turkish soldiers and many civies every day there is no limitation about Kurdish rights they have same idendity and same rights they can become President of Turkey if they want . We love Kurdish people and they love us , we hate PKK.
But there are some facts.
1-) Kurdish people only 18% of Turkey so they dont have any rights about speak their language in goverment departments
2-) Kurdish people married their own brothers and sisters to raise population in Turkey
3-) Some of you saying "PKK fighting for free Kurdish country" no this is a huge lie. PKK is like Al-Qaeda of Taliban.
4-) Turkish Army didnt kill any Kurdish civie (ofcourse there are some deaths but this is war and things happens in wars , these are just accident).
5-) USA shouldnt give weapons to Turkish army because Turkish army already have many weapons systems and building their own.
6-) Dont think and say " Turkey is an Arabic country" or "Turkey is going to be like Iran" another huge mistake. Turkish people are different from Arabic people and Turkey didnt give support to Iran or Syria , we have always been with NATO and USA.
PEACE IN THE HOME PEACE IN THE WORLD