By Fareed Zakaria
It is difficult to find a country on the planet that is more anti-American than Pakistan. In a Pew survey this year, only 12% of Pakistanis expressed a favorable view of the U.S. That number has probably dipped even lower in the wake of the NATO air attack on a Pakistani army post that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.
Pakistan’s leaders are only slightly better disposed since they continue to support militias in Afghanistan that wage war on Americans. Populist rage and official duplicity have built up even though over the past decade, Washington has lavished Pakistan’s government with praise and aid, the latter totaling $20 billion.
It is time to recognize that the U.S.’s Pakistan policy is just not working. I write this as someone who has consistently supported engaging with the Pakistani government as the best of bad options. But the evidence that this engagement is working is thin - and gets thinner with every passing month.
Supporting Islamabad has been premised on two arguments. The first is that if we don’t, the Pakistani government could collapse and the country’s nuclear weapons could fall into the wrong hands, perhaps even ending up with al-Qaeda. This misunderstands the problem. Pakistan is not Somalia. It has been ruled by a professional military for most of its independent existence, even when there has been a nominally civilian government in charge—as there is today. There have been no Gaddafiesque colonels’ coups in Pakistan; instead, the entire military, with its command chain intact, has moved to replace the civilian government. The military remains widely admired as a national institution that works.
The second argument is the one given by businesses when they pay off the Mafia: we need to keep these guys as allies, or else they will become enemies. The problem with this protection racket is that it isn’t working. Admiral Mike Mullen finally said publicly what insiders have said privately for years: Pakistan’s army, despite getting over a quarter of its budget from Washington, funds and arms the most deadly terrorist group in South Asia.
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دبي-الشرقية 1 ديسمبر: تُصادف اليوم ذكرى يومِ الشهيد العراقي المتمثل بقيام القوات الايرانية بأعدام اكثرَ من 160 ضابطا وجندياً وقعوا في الاسر بعد معركة "البسيتين" في الحرب العراقية الايرانية .ففي مثل هذا اليوم من عام 1981 اقدمت القوات الايرانية على ارتكاب جريمتِها بتكبيل هؤلاء الاسرى، واطلاق ِ الرصاص عليهم ، خلافا لجميع الاعراف السماوية والقوانينِ الدولية التي تُوجب رعايةَ الاسرى ، ومعاملتََهم بشكلٍ انساني .ومنذ ذلك التاريخ يستذكر العراقيون هذا اليوم بعد ان عدّوه يوماً للشهيد العراقي تخليداً لارواح شهداء العراق، ومنهم نحوُ ربعِ مليونِ شهيد في هذه الحرب ضحوْا من اجل وطنهم وشعبهم ويقوم العراقيون بإحياء هذا اليوم من خلال وضعِ وردةِ الشهيد على صدورهم التي تعبّر عن أسمى معاني الشهادة ، والقيامِ بفعاليات ٍ جماهيرية تمجّد شهداء العراقِ كافة، واستمروا على ذلك حتى التاسع من نيسان عام 2003 وبرغم مرور اكثرَ من ثلاثةٍ وعشرين عاما على انتهاء الحرب بعد اجبارِ القوات المسلحة العراقية الحكومةّ الايرانية على الرضوخِ لقرار مجلس الامن 598 لعام 1987 بعد عامٍ من المراوغةِ والتهرّب، فأن تقاريرَ المنظمات الدولية تُشير الى احتفاظ السلطات الايرانية الى الان بعشراتِ الاسرى المسجلّين في الصليب الاحمر، وما زالت عوائلهم تأمل بعودتِهم this is to let you know that today is the memories of more than 2000 iraqi civilians who were shot dead by iran back in 1981, down with evil iran and evil syria, why USA is not doing any thing to get red of iranians thugs and the syrian governments....those evil are behind every bad deeds in this world.
Hopefully for the better, it is already apparent that you will soon get your wish...
You got it all wrong bud, its U.S.A behind every WAR for the last 50 years.
United Stupids of America=USA
Tom. RADICAL Muslims are the current problem and have been for years. Fareed is doing fine. People in tribal regions have been oppressed by many of those radicals, some of their children forced to fight for them. Insurgents from other countries infiltrated Pakistan region. Its a bad area, tough to navigate. Pakistan has made many good efforts and we have heard our gov praise their efforts. But they also know that they are still being attacked by those in Paksitan. And they just happened to be in the vicinity of the Pak soldiers, just as Bin Laden was close to the military(we are sorry for your loss) . America doesnt have Muslims or good Pakistani, they have a problem with extremst who attack around the world. Continue the dialogue, help Pakistan people, but the ISI and militar need to be honest with the US of their intentions and vice versa. LETS not talk hate, lets start opening up. Lets bring India to the table, lets work together for the same goals.
Thomasn = Useful I D I O T.
Wow, every Tom, Dick and Hairy are shooting s hit on here tonite..
STOP PAK AID
STOP PAK AID 
STOP PAK AID 
STOP PAK AID 
STOP PAK AID 
stop BEGGING FOR AID
20 BILLION DOLLARS WASTED ON PAKIS ALREADY
FIX YOUR 16 HOUR POWER SHORTAGES FIRST
Pakistan is at war with secularism
Pakistan is at war with the civilized world, it is at covert war with the Americans , the west and NATO
Pakistan is at covert proxy war with Afghanistan and India.
PAKISTAN , ITS ISI was responsible for the Mumbai Attacks in India too and
the MUMBAI GUNMEN CAUGHT WAS A PAKISTANI AJMAL AMIR KASAB FROM PAKISTANI PUNJAB PROVINCE
IF IT IS TERRORISM , THEN IT IS FROM PAKISTAN
US top brass has lost patience now, it can't keep compromising with Pakistan as US Soldiers come home in bodybags, time to act AGAINST PAKISTAN, THE INTERNATIONAL HUB OF TERRORISM
To put it mildly, PAKISTAN IS A LIAR AND TRAITOR
IT HAS SUPPORTED TALIBAN FOR DECADES AND IT SUPPORTS AND SUPPORTED TERROR AGAINST INDIA FOR 65 YEARS, it sheltered BIN LADEN and got 20 billion dollars of AID
WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW THAT PAKISTAN SHOULD NOT EXIST AS ONE LANDMASS NOW , ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND WE NEED TO DISMEMBER PAKISTAN
TOP AFGHAN INTELLIGENCE HEAD HAD BLASTED PAKISTAN FOR SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN COVERTLY
WHY HAVE WASTED 20 BILLION DOLLARS ON PAKISTAN ????????
PAKISTAN WAS NEVER AN ALLY
hiding BIN LADEN FOR 5 YEARS IS NOT SIGN OF AN ALLY , IT IS SIGN OF AN ENEMY
GETTING AID AND SEND HAQQANIS TO KILL AMERICAN TROOPS IS NOT SIGN OF AN ALLY
PAKISTAN IS A TRAITOR AND ENEMY OF AMERICA
It looks like Iran and Syria are both having internal power struggles and difficulties, so yes you may get "our" wish soon Dr. Abo.
Pakistan is a state sponsor of terror. It is the central hub of terrorists worldwide. All the paths of all the major terrorists caught worldwide have passed through Pakistan. Pakistan is haven to AlQueda, the Taliban, and assorted terrorist groups. In fact, Pakistan is even guilty of passing nuclear technology to other rogue states, courtesy of AQ Khan. Pakistan is littered with terrorist training camps and madrassas, which churn out thousands of hate-filled militants each year. Drop a big one on the Pakistani ISI-and terror will decrease.
I dont agree with dropping anything, but I agree with your assessment on where the probems are coming from and Pakistan should take care of them, as they are also causing problems for China, India and others around the world, and Pakistani are not owning up to this enough. But creating more chaos wont solve anything.
Drop one on one who can drop one on you? I was with your factual statements until that one. The US has had nukes longer than any one and knows first hand that it's not good to use them.
Pakistan is bankrupt, Pakistan needs America, Americans can uriiiiinaaate on Pakistanis and they will think its zam zam cola! Such is the state of Pakistan. First the West used Pakistan to harm India and Pakistan obliged with enthusiasm. Now the chickens are coming home to roost for both.
Your comments are stupid and ignorant, and very generalized about Pakistanis. Most of the Pakistanis live with dignity, and do not want to rely on US aid, it's corrupt administration, as an arrogant administration here in US
Oh you don't have to worry about Zam Zam cola anymore. You'll be wishing for any cola soon enough.
Agree......
you sir are an ignoramus
Dont waste ur-ine. You indians probably want to drink it.
Man, you guys really suck
Pakistan should have never gotten drawn into America's war.they should keep the supply lines closed to bleed U.S. financially, continue secretly supporting the mujjahadeens to liberate Afghanistan, make Iran a strong ally since they seem to be only ones with guts, and give them nuclear arms.
Dont drag Iran into this, Iranians arent fond of Pakistani either. Oh yes allow mujahadeen to continue to destroy lives. RADICAL Islam is the entirity of the problem, and I dont equate all Muslims in this category, there are some amazing people in all faiths and horrific radical people everywhere, but the worlds problems are being dominated by Islamic radicals. You dont see so many radical Christians, Jews, Hindu's, Bahai, Buddhists behaving this way or being as large in number and attacking other faiths.Its their time to prove that they are being truthful when they say they want a true democracy for all people.Im praying that Islamic radicals will open their eyes and hearts and realize GOD created us all as humans and only he is our judge, and not one religion should dominate anyone, for we are all equal. Hopefully they will separate religion and state, but doesnt look like that will happen.So they have a lot to prove to the world. Hopefully those who educated out of their Islamic country will lead the people to a vision of a path that accepts all people, and if you leave a religion, that its YOUR choice and no one can judge you but GOD. And God does love believers and non believers eually as all of his children.
Who ever says or believes that Pakistan is Bankrupt State is either ignorant or speaking far from reality. Worlds largest known deposit of coal. Worlds second largest deposit of Copper. more than two hundred various colors of high quality marble. One of the largest untouched and untapped deposits of natural gas. One of the youngest population feeding labor. the enigma is that in spite of all that Pakistan is still a poor country! These are such kind of resources which brought Britishers to India in the form of East India Company.
It is easy to blame Pakistan for harboring terrorists, what about United Kingdom? A country which harbors most if not all the dictators, murderers and terrorists from Pakistan. Let be Musharraf, the illegitimate ruler who sold Pakistan to US in the name of cooperation with the World or murderers like Altaf Hussian who neither have the guts or the balls to go back to to Pakistan and lead his party. Yet UK allows him and his entourage to commit all terrorist activities from London.
If we want peace in the World, we must work for justice and do justice. US with all its might attacked an has destroyed Afghanistan and in the end is now being forced to find a way out to save its face and keep it bruised dignity. But ten years ago, they will not consider a peaceful solution. Now after losing their respect dignity and the war on terror they are doing what they should have done 10 years ago.
On the other hand Pakistan has lost 34000 lives including 14 or 15 thousand civilians and yet Pakistan is to be blamed for all the mistakes and follies of NATO and US?
US still has a chance and an opportunity to make things right but as for UK. I can only say, there was a time when the sun never set in United Kingdom,soon when there will be a time when the sun will not rise on UK. I just home that time comes soon..
Pakistan is poor in leadership and educated masses and where ever there is lack of education, religion prevails. Best example is the southern bible belt States of US. Those are the ones which have the lowest rate and standard of education. Those who are counting Pakistan in failed states are ignoring the realities of the ground. Pakistan DOES NOT Support terrorism. But Pakistan does have every right to choose its friends based on its own interests and priorities.
You got it all wrong bud, its U.S.A behind every WAR for the last 50 years. United Stupids of America=USA
An ignorant statement. I can name a half dozen wars in the last 50 years in which the United States played no part. And that's just off the top with no recsearch.
Thomas, I bet you believe that the holocaust never happened. That the US blew up our own buildings on 9-11. We honestly don't care what you think. But if you try to hurt my country or my family I will use any means necessary to destroy you.
Thomas = Useful I D I O T for the muslim war mongers.
Most americans are ignorant/st–up–id when it comes to even attempting to understand what is going on.
They trust their authorities like CIA/FBI/govt can do no wrong. Truth is these organization meddle with the whole
planet and then the common id-oi-t on the street here says they are being attacked.
US forces are in foreign lands, and they are being attacked. What is hard to understand here.
Thomas, please go to a real school, not a Madras, and learn some history. The only War we were behind was Iraq and George Bush should hang for that. USA is not perfect but your hate mongering Clerics are the biggest evil in the world right now.
hey freddy! why didn't you name them already, huh?
INDIA should be awarded for tolerating Pakistan as Pakistan has exported terror since day 1
UNITED STATES should be awarded for tolerating Pakistan since SEPT 11,2001
PAKISTAN HAS NEVER BEEN A PEACEFUL COUNTRY
The amount of pain Pakistan has inflicted on the United states is unprecedented and India has been dealing with the menace of Pakistan by fighting its terror groups for 65 years
PAKISTAN = TERRORISTAN
Look at the number of people killed by or because of American involvement since wwii. Millions and millions.
As for Fareed Zakaria, there is hardly is no Journalist/News Analyst more anti Pakistan than him. Like father like son. Merry Christmas
The WORLD talks trash about the USA for gettin too involved and we WASTE BILLIONS in Pakistan. Please tell me WHY we should bother?!?!?! We need to start taking better care of our OWN!!!! God Bless America
Agreed. Withdraw all US citizens from Pakistan, close down our embassy, expel them from the US, break off diplomatic relations, and do not cent them another cent. Tell them no thanks, have a nice life without our money. If they threaten us, send in our drones. With friends like the Pakistan government, who needs enemies?
Pakistan's GDP is $210 Billion per year, you people have "aided 11 Billion in 9 years". US keeps acting like Pakistan is runing on your aid. FYI, After Pakistan Tested Nuclear Wepons, we were under sanctions for 8 years and we survided just fine without your Aid. So take your Aid and shove it.
DJ, do u think that USA is doing it for the goodness of its heart or is their an ulterior motive? USA has given some aid, actually very little, rest is for services provided by Pakistan. And it has cost much more then what we have got from USA. So take your aid and spend on your own folks. We do not want it!!! Also USA never does anything without a raeson. This is a business process for them. They asre making 5 folds more then what hey have provided!!
I agree. These US id-oi-t-s need to take their aid and shove it up you know what.
The reason aid is still there is certainly not out of kindness of heart.
Some of these frea-k-in-g US folks have been watching Disney movies all their lives
where good/bad guys are clearly defined. Now these id-io-t-s have grown up and applying
same thought process in the real world. There are no good guys, only levels of bad guy.
The Pakistanis keep telling us to shove our aid, so lets do just that, 20 billion a year in aid to their schools, food and army, bring it home where its needed and see how their government copes without it, goodbye we tried to get along its not working, your goods arent welcome in our country, we withdraw our aid, nice seeing you, your on your own....
Yes, Pakistan's GDP is $210 Billion dollars. Pakistans revenue is $25 Billion Dollars. It's expenses are about $36 Billion every year. The military, the ISI, the Govt, the schools, hospitals etc. etc. get about 1/3rd of their money every single year from the United States.
To the Pakistani here, dont be judging all Americans by a few of them or by the government. We tried to give AID to the people and the money did not end up being given to the people, remember? Most of us applaud the good things youre doing there, but you have to admit a lot of the problems are coming out of NW, where people can train and hide and some officials have to be aware of it, but I do believe that others do not. I have a friend from there whose family is in the NW, she told me years ago that Al Qaeda was kidnapping her nephews and nieces and using them in a bad way, and if a parent fought them, they killed them.She said they were invading their homes, so if AQ fired on people, the fire came back at their home because radicals were amongst them. Its a bad situation and most of us do believe that YOU, THE PEOPLE of Pakistan deserve freedom and democracy and also deserve to be living without insurgents and Talibans amongst you, funded by some in Pakistan. You know people here are doing the same things some Pakistani do on forums, defending their country by nature-but we all must be open minded and good hearted to tell the truth and open our eyes to the issues of the other side as well. I see both sides and I dont blame the PEOPLE on either side. Pakistan has some wonderful people, Ive met many. But you understand when we feel the hate from Pakistan(and the people arent seeing both sides), you can understand the responses. Also , Please Americans, realize what these people have to endure, its not THEIR fault what has transpired in their country. They are innocent victims just as we are sometimes. I hope the Pakistani and American people will have dialogue, and understand both views, maybe we can show a good example to the world, despite our governments/militaries. Im open to discussion and I dont blame the normal people , I blame the people who are radicals around the world.Lets talk, not hate.
Great reply Maryam.
I am surprised at the patronizing tone Fareed has towards Pakistan. Sometimes he comes across as a coconut!
I personally believe the way forward is to convince India/Pak to sign a trade treaty, have them buy/sell from each other, increase people to people contact, and see what happens. The only losers will be smugglers and people in Dubai (often one and the same).
@romany are you high? or just ignoranly baised like that indian fareed zakria? get educate yourself you ignorant. its 20 billions since 2002 . its 90% of it is in milatary aid and fees for the the transport route they use.
Way to go guy, you just opened up a door for every half literate mooslim who learned a few new difficult english words today to use them all in one sentence..
You know you a pakistani when 1. You own $ 300 machine gun & a $5000 rocket launcher but run around barefoot. 2 You have more wives than teeth. 3 You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof & suicide. 4 You can't think of anyone u haven't declared Jihad on. 5 You consider TV dangerous but routinely carry ammunition in your underwear . 6 You are amazed to discover that mobile phones have uses other than setting off road-side bombs. 7 You refine cocaine for a living but have a moral objection to drinking beer.hahahahhahahaha
@rav: Lol, awesome bro, you nailed it. Though it's told with a humor there are absolute facts behind your words. Good job.
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@rav..please try to get the facts correct.
it's heroin, not cocaine
Yes Pakistani’s do own weapons but that would be 10 % (could be less)of the population same as people in Taxes own weapons and other states do, 2. Pakis are not Arabs and average men does not have more then 1 wife, apparently average male (middle class) marries at the age of 28-32 after making himself financially stable. 3. Yes Pakis suffered a lot from suicide bombing but there were no suicide bombers before 9/11, most of the bombers come very poor family backgrounds and get brain washed in madras’s which worked for USA in 1980’s to defeat Russia. 5 . I don’t know any Pakis that carries ammunition in under wear and stop looking at people’s underwear it’s gross. 6. There are dozens of corporations that are developing application for smart phones in Pakistan, don’t forget that Pakistan is nuclear armed and I’m pretty sure that there Nukes are not using mobile phones. 7. In Canada-USA every single city has drug issues, sometimes I feel that drugs is legal and I don’t how you goggled to find that relations between cocaine and Pakistan, cocaine is expensive drug and even in North America handful of people can afford it.
Pakistan need is a good leader that can increase the level of education, Pakistan ideal place for outsourcing and forget about Kashmir (cannot afford another war). It is difficult but not possible.
I hope I get some positive feedback.
LOL you nailed it hahaha....
Rav Man, You are a Genious Sir. Such a funny yet true potryal. They dont have money to feed this country, yet have a Jihad with everyone. Now they think China will feed them instead of the USA. China does give a dime to anybody of they dont get back two.
中國人常被稱為「亞洲的猶太人」。
中華民族的悠久歷史和文化，可以追溯到基督降生之前的幾千年。
中國曾在很長的時期內一直是世界上經濟、技術和社會組織最先進的國家。
中國在11世紀所達到的經濟發展水平，任何一個歐洲國家在18世紀之前都沒能趕上。
現存最古老的一本印刷書籍，是公元9世紀在中國印刷出來的。中國的鑄鐵術比歐洲要早1000年。
在11世紀的宋朝，中國就有了鋼鐵工業，年產生鐵十多萬噸。
馬可波羅在中國發現了一個有200萬人口的城市，而當時歐洲最大城市的居民也不超過區區5萬人。
時至16世紀，中國仍具有世界上最高的生活水平。
在明朝統治的最後一個世紀，中國人開始外流，形成首批規模頗大的華人社區。
Pakistan is a Nation of 180 million people there are lots and lots of good people. I can assure you that more than 99% of the people are loving kind hearted and not what you may think. Please visit and see for yourself. War is a bad thing most people are poor and want peace.
Iron, you asked for feedback. Let me try to be as fair about this as I can:
I grew up in Texas and I assure you that more than 10% of the Texan population is armed at any given time. Not many automatic weapons, just a sidearm in the pocket and a rifle in the truck. Some western people think that is uncivilized, but we don't go shooting in the air to celebrate anything. It's basically a mutually-assured-destruction philosophy, but without all the killing and dying.
It is true that most Americans do not distinguish Pakistanis from Arabs. Most Americans tend to assocate plurality of wives with Islam because Mohammed had more than one wife and that sort of thing set a precedent.
Pakistan's ISI has supported fundamentalist muslims to wage a proxy war in Kashmir on Pakistan's behalf. I happen to think that it was madness in its conception and, given the fact that the Pakistani army has also been the target of terrorist attacks, it has clearly spiraled out of control.
I'm not assigning blame to the ISI, just the responsibility. Yes, the US supported the Taliban back in the day when the first priority was to undermine the Soviet Union's construction of a pipeline to Iran. We are partially responsible for the mess, and when people ask "why are we there?" I answer that we have a mess to clean up.
Pakistan's government is sufficiently advanced that it has nuclear weapons. Pakistan's people, on the other hand, often lack running water and electricity. Please don't think I'm trying to insult anyone, I'm sure that plenty of Pakistanis enjoy both. The key word here is "often" and I stand by it.
The most direct way to respond to the charge of "cocaine" was to answer in "heroin" but you didn't do that and I find that just a tad bit evasive. Incidentally, a lot of people in Chicago can afford cocaine.
And now, the part you've been waiting for: when you said "Pakistan [needs] a good leader that can increase the level of education" I completely and 100% agree with you. You are absolutely right and even in the US we could stand to have more support for education. Bravo.
As for "ideal place for outsourcing" I cannot say.
Most people here in America are tired of being the world police and are tired of wars and would prefer not to get involved in other nations problems. sadly our past policies have only created new enemies and problems to face today.
as for this situation with pakistan, best option would be to stop providing them aid and just pull out since the Military gov provides funding and training for the numerous militant groups. just withdrawl the aid and all our personel and let them hate us
the US isn't the World Police ....unless the World Police are 'on the take'. We aren't involved in places like Afghanistan nor have the particular $&power relationship with Pakistan from an objective, no strings attached position police should have, b ut maybe more like cops running a protection racket. Whatever the human rights issue, we would never have been in Afghanistan if their main export was broccoli. We go in in order to protect our own interests plain and simple. If there is any off shoot such as bring democracy to a nation, that is just a good pr side effect...only imposing democracy on another country through armed action is an oxymoron = not possible. Imposing Democracy,...Not remotely possible. Democracy HAS to grow from within and in any case, that's not why we're there. We are there purely to protect our interests..as the old men with the money see best. Look at our relationship with Saudi Arabia. Most of the 911 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia but we never said boo to them...that's because they have something we want. I wouldn't matter how many places were blown up by Saudi folk..as long as the scales are balanced in favor of us getting what we want from them. George W was goooood friends with the Saudis, they having bailed him out in his failing business.
Anybody who see us as going forth into the world with lily-white motives drank the pr kool-aid. And no. We are NOT the scariest country in the world and we do have declared human rights (even if behind the homeland Security new world, we can be taken from our homes and held indefinitely....to keep us safe. Which hasn't been repealed so mark my words: the Bill of Rights is being eaten away with our blessings "Oh George W. keep us safe! Go ahead, take my Rights away but keep me safe!" and Obama has not done away with the encroachment.... The most effective barrier against terrorism IS the Bill of Rights. If you treat even your enemies according to the laws, you take away 'wind in the sails' used by those drumming up new terrorists. I
Well tell that to your leaders (to stop aid). US is not doing any favors here
by giving aid. They want something in return.
If I buy something from you, am I doing you a favor?
@mulllah pete you seem particularly naive over the aid that is given its not 9 billion over 9 years its $20 billion a year funding a 3rd of pakistans army, you may not need the aid but it was europe and america that poured aid into the areas hit by floods and disasters, they certainly did, your government cried out for it, many of your people are poor and starving, ive travelled around your country and they live on aid from foreign governments without it they would die as their own government does nothing to help them. as for jobs do you really think alot of foreign companies will keep their jobs in pakistan if america severs ties with the country, they are already under pressure in their home countries to not oursource.
I don't think it is possible to buy our friends. Pakistan is a glowing example. I feel the same way about Israel. Here is a country that spied/spies on us and had over 50 years to create a Palestinian state. Our so called foreign aid policy is worthless and all foreign aid should be stopped. The money could be better spend cutting our deficit or taking care of America's needs. I would stop all foreign aid except for humanitarian purposes.
As compare to 1.3 billion indians, Pakistanis are not working in American banks and big corporations and hiring other Indians and then outsourcing all the jobs to India too. Soon Americans will be lining outside the Indian embassy so they can get their jobs in India.
Hello Mamoo, Got any facts to backup what you are claiming, or is that your jealously coming out? If Pakistani youth were taught to hammer out programs in C or Java instead of hammering on AK-47 triggers and typing in assembly language instead of assembling IEDs, and learn to love business and an honest living instead of loving to hate US citizens, jews and Hindus, perhaps Pakistan would have been an outsourcing destination like India and the Phillipines.
PAKISTAN IS AN ISLAMIST THEOCRACY THAT LIVES AND BREEDS RELIGIOUS , SECRETARIAN HATE
and it has made INDIA an enemy, then it made Afghanistan an enemy and then it has made the WEST it's enemy and UNITED STATES is Pakistan's enemy now and Pakistan wants AID from the United States ????? SO PAKISTAN SUCKS says noted author Salman Rushidie
It would be nice if the entire Middle East would pack up their hate-mongering asses and move to Jupiter. We're all so sick of your violence, your repression of women, and your breeding of terrorism and war. Go away.
Thank-you.
We all know you're of Indian origin. Please stop using your platform to spread hatred against Pakistan. Pakistan has paid a higher price than any other nation in the world against the so called war on terror. We all know India was a russian ally during cold war and Pakistan has always stood by the US.
Dil Dil Pakistan!
Pakistan Zindabad!
u went through alot writing that in arabic and english lol.....first learn ur history,,,,it was Iraq who started the war from using america's weapons and support...Iran only defended itself...if ur really mad be mad at USA
I have following your negative reporting on Pakistani over many years and cannot take it anymore. Initially, I failed to realize why such hate comes our in your writing, I feel compelled to expose you of what you stand for. Although, I am not journalist or a writer but, I will try my best to my ability.
Looking at your background explains lots of things
• Indian born
• George Bush insider
• Neo-kan (Wolfowitz) buddy
• Uses his Mulism name to full advantage and pretends he has some insight on what Muslims are feeling and can speak for them.
• Indian government insider (who spreads propaganda against Pakistan) constantly.
• Makes his living off trashing Muslims instead of helping them in anyway
• Your article should say Propaganda 101 From India
• I think it is fair to attack you back someone should and expose what you stand for.
• Please stop pretending to some moderate anyone reading you Bio will come to same conclusion.
Or is it @Osman? Guess that doesn't matter.
Reading your statements above, just the one, don't need too many more, it is obvious that you are yet another Paki dreaming up new conspiracy theories every day. New they are but have the below commonalities.
1) The world is out to get Pakistan.Only a few Pakistanis are 'misguided' – How many millions of Taliban are there?
2) Pakistan is being targeted because we are the true protectors of Islam – The taliban are peace loving people, eh?
3) US-India-Israel nexus has been formed only to eliminate Pakistan – Too much Zaid Hamid??
4) What I believe is right because my father, brother, cousin and school teacher believe it too – A clear case of national brainwash?
Think! Do you think it's possible to attempt that ?
Right on mark Usman. Absolutely correct.
Well done Usman and about time....this guys is really masking his hate for Muslims and Pakistanis!
Ya' think?
It seems like France has been the new world leader in Libia and now in Syria. The USA appears without a leader. Russia is about to move some wars ship in Syria. THE USA just killed 24 Pakistanies military most likely with a drone not quite the way to win over friends. To me as long as the USA are not a fair trader in the middle East they will be perceived as bias, tilted toward Israel, but again it is what it is. I personnaly think the average Americans mean well but reserve me judgment for the higher up.
Its because we are now ruled by a coward named Obama. Hopefully we will have our own liberation soon. Democracy is a good thing because it allows the people to correct their mistakes bas on experience.
More terrorist leaders have been killed since Obama took office than the whole 8 years of Bush/Cheney.Pakistan hid Bin Laden from us and claimed to be an ally.I do not want one red cent of my hard earned tax dollar going to this,or ANY backward islamic republic...but I digress...Obama is not a coward(Bush did not have the stones to get Bin Laden)nor is he ineffective....he has been having to clean up after NeoCon knuckle draggers like yourself.Have a nice day.
Fighting for peace in this part of the world is like screwing for virginity
Somalia + nuclear weapons = Pakistan
it proliferated nuclear technology to Libya , Iran and North Korea
It sheltered BIN LADEN for 5 years
It took 18 billion dollars in aid and used it against India than fight terror
What an "ally" ...TERRIBLE ROGUE....
WHY IS AMERICA GIVING EVEN A DIME TO PAKISTAN ( AN ENEMY, NEVER AN ALLY )
Can any country shelter Bin Laden for 5 years near IT'S military academy, ONLY PAKISTAN
Can any country proliferate Nuclear weapon technology to Iran , North Korea and Libya, ONLY PAKISTAN
Can any country support HAQQANI Network so that it kills US Troops as they come home in BODYBAGS, Only
Pakistan
Can any country have its overseas citizens plan the TIME SQUARE bomb plot, ONLY PAKISTAN
Can any country orchestrate the MUMBAI attacks on India , ONLY PAKISTAN
Can any country nurture the TALIBAN TO KILL it's own people ( ALI MENTIONED Pakistani civialn deaths ) , ONLY Pakistan
Can any country take 20 billion dollar aid and use it against India as opposed to feed its people, ONLY Pakistan
Can any country attack the Taliban negotiator,destabilize Afganistan by training Afghan Taliban as a strategic weapon, ONLY Pakistan
Can any country's citizen ( Khalid sheikh Mohammed) Pitch ideas to Bin Laden on flying planed into building on Sept 11, Only Pakistan
Can any country's citizen ( David headley alais Dawood Gilani ) act as scout for the Mumbai Attacks , Only Pakistan
Fareed Zakaria says that Pakistan is a Frankenstein's monster breeding Islamic Terrorism
Ohh dear!! USA cannot stop Bribe to Pakistan .. Its Impossible to stop giving money to Pakistan!! there are so many reasons behind it ! and u r just a kid ( Lovely Indian Kid! )
Pakistan will get $billions upon Billions !! $$$$$$$
Sorry my Jealous USA & Indian fellows ... Pakistan is getting $$$$$$$ !!
SABA ,,u need a paki diiccck,once u have paki diccck in ur ass u will not say anything bad for pakis,pakis r great,they r good people but it seems that u r from slumdog INDIA.
why is every Intelligence agency blaming Pakistan????? because they know the truth. India is helping and Pakistan is obstructing
PAKISTAN IS A TRAITOR
PAKISTAN IS A SNAKE THAT DRINKS MILK OF PATRON AND SPEWS VENOM ON THE PATRON( UNITED STATES)
PAKISTAN IS PLAYING DIRTY DOUBLE GAMES
Pakistan thinks it can fight a war with US with the F-16 'S AND AID that US provides, how ungrateful and treacherous
IS THIS PAKISTNI ARMY GOING TO FIGHT UNITED STATES ???????
Well dont know if Paki army can fight with American army or technology or nuke ..whatever !! but its for sure that Paki will get paid in $billions. Paki dont have to worry about the job crises or bad financial situation in USA !! Paki dont care if million in USA are jobless or living in tents or living in vans !!
u need to get fokked in ur ass,u whorrrre.
Because Russia has told us not to, and if we go to war with Russia all hell will break loose. They have at least double the nuclear weapons we have, and fighting a war with them could lead to the end of the world as we know it. If it were not for Russia, we'd have probably already done so.
Majority of people of pakistan support Army and America war against terrorism.. PAKISTAN lost more effected from terrorism. $60bILLION dollar per year..thousand of people life.....so don't be part of conspiracy theory that PAKISTAN is pro-taliban
$60 billions is almost 25% of Pakistan's nominal GDP. There is no way they can lose that staggering amount of money as a result of fighting terrorism. The Pakistani Military does very little in terms of eradicating Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. I advise to look into ISI and their role in the inception of the Taliban.
Afghanies(persian and tajik) should be wipe out of the earth, they are coward and have demolished their homeland. All trade supply should be stopped to Afghan people.. They should go to iran for port. Traitors
I think afghans are better than Pakis.
pakistan does spend 25% gdp on terrorism – how else do you think terrorist jihadis are paid?
It is my humble request to look in to the history of Pakistan pre Afghan refugee era. Facts: pre Afghan refugee era, no bomb blasting in Pakistan, no problem, economy was booming, feel of serenity was blossoming in every corner of Pakistan. After Pakistan open its arms to its Muslim brothers (Afghan refugees) Pakistan’s economy suffered tremendously, the prosperity gone instantly, locals lost business and money feeding these dogs. These SOB Afghanis destroyed our beloved Pakistan-- Perves Mushraf did the right thing by herding the Afghanis back to their Fu- –ed up country. Ate our food and now you dare barking at us, what a petty! http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/10915272-afghan-refugees-a-deteriorating-threat-for-pakistans-peace
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_refugees_in_Pakistan
Zakaria is nothing but a Puppet of New Delhi and Anti-Pakistani Contingent in US......He has got away with it for so long due to his name....if this was another anchor....they would have been shouted down!
True, but you can't exclud the possibility that certain elements within the military have a different agenda than the civilian government and the general public. The top brass of the military and the ISI are becoming so influential in the Af-Pak region that they – ironically – can no longer be seen as part of the problem but as part of the solution to Afghanistan's future. They boycott the Conference on Afghanistan on Monday 5 December in Bonn, Germany. Even Karzai, Hilary Clinton and Angela Merkel urged them to attend.
The ISI and the Pakistan military openly admit they keep contacts with the Terrorist groups inside Pakistan to retain influence in Afganistan (do you not even read Pakistani news sites?Dawn?). They know where they are. They made these groups and they are in Pakistan. The real problem in Pakistan is to condem drone attack that mostly hit there intended targets (insurgent leaders) and turn a blind eye to terrorist attacks on Pakistani soil on their intended targets (Pakistanis). Are these attacks on Pakistanis in their homeland not more hurtful to Pakistani pride than drone attacks to kill the insurgents? Or is it ok if they're are fellow muslims waging Jihad?
Mr Chris this is our country and we will do what we want, Americas supply has to be cut forever. All nation is united against America. We dont welcome you here so just get out of here. You can not tell us how to live, whatever we are we are happy. Just get out
@Usman-So the next time you have an earthquake or flooding, you don't want our money right? Millions of Pakistani lives are saved every year thanks to AMERICAN aide, how about your people start sending back all the aide the we provide.
We will be glad to cut off all money to Pakistan. You should be free to follow the ways of your child molesting, raping, murdering prophet as long as you keep your terrorist relatives at home with you where they belong.
Hashim who told u that Pakistani People support US armys war against Islam? No Pakistani Supports US war
No one supports your muslim war against humanity
Umand; does Allah ask that you hate and kill? The peace that islam talks, is it conditional?
" Love means loving that which is unlovable or it is not virtue at all"
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking. It is not easily angered, It keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
I agree that the United States is using Pakistan, and I also believe Pakistan is using the United States. I understand frustration and anger that we are there and attempting to pull strings. But I do not agree with making a nation the Enemy and thus a convenient place to put all frustration and problems. That is a lazy way of looking at things. Pakistan has it's own problems that are generated within and not caused by the United States. If the United States didn't exist the Middle east would still be fighting. If Israel didn't exist, the Middle East would still be fighting. True solutions come when people/countries can look within and take honest inventory of themselves. (the US very much needs to do this too) But the biggest block to solving problems in countries is always the Powers That Be, in every country.
The Powers That Be, in any country are the men with the money.
Why do so many feel good about hating? (I know we have haters in the us, but why do so many live in a state of hate, using up all resources in war, killing, tearing down others who are simply trying to live their lives and suppressing those who don't agree with you, instead of using those resources to build something good?
Pakistan may not be pro Taliban but they are definately anti-American.
yes Pakistani are anti America, its only game of nuclear power of Muslim Pakistan.
PAK a 3rd world country that have nuclear but can't control border, flood comes and you cry for help
Wrong. Pakistan ISI is the Taliban.
it's so amazing na..!every time zawahri records a statement when america wants.waoh is it coincidence.....!
america...just stop.you are going to lose in afghanistan and now you are pushing afghan war in Pakistan.according to FAS Israel has produced more than 125 nuclear bombs so have an insurgency in ISrael.
we are Muslim (thanks to Allah) Israel not MUSLIM that's why.
you never have $60 billions
That's nice to hear. Hope its true.
According to this article, the majority does NOT suppor the war on terror. Facts always getting in the way!
Sorry, your people of Pakistan may be great but many of us here in the US see the Pakistani government as our enemy. We wish to end diplomatic relations with your government and not send your government any more money.
Fareed Zakaria is an Indian, a highly biased lot against Pakistan since its very inception. His opinion therefore can neither be honest nor balanced. Pakistan-bashing is his favorite topic.
He is a typical ignorant american. Like all american he thinks that for a non-significant no good for any thing aid Pakistan will bargain its dignity? Forget it man. You better understand the real situation or just be reday for surprises.
Fareed has lived all over the world and has been a staunch defender of Pakistan for the longest time. For him to make these statements means a lot has changed in Pakistan. You yourself are blind to the critical facts.
Chris, Zakaria has never been a supporter of Pakistan. His columns have always focused on spreading negative propaganda... Pakistan definitely has problems... there's no denying that. But instead of just sticking to the facts, Zakaria's "truth" is in actual fact 10% truth and 90% speculations... Unfortunately, there's a lot of hatred in the US for Pakistan, and he plays up to that sentiment. He's not the first "reporter" to do it, and I'm sure he won't be the last... but it's definitely sad, to have biased media personnel inciting unnecessary trouble, all for the sake of furthering their careers.
Johnson, I believe you are right. Only a small fraction of Pakistani are sucks and trouble-markers. The problem is the 'majority' seems to be powerless in suppressing these junkies fanatic radical Islamist who paint an ugly picture of Pakistan in the world eyes. It is a fact, not propaganda. Just wonder who are in control of Pakistan these days.
no good for anything? runs a third of your army and feeds, clothes and schools the poor members of your society you chose to ignore. yeah you don't need our aid, and while your at it can you take back the immigrants from your country that LOVE it so much they have to come live in europe and america.
I am born American living in Pakistan for the past 15 years can tell how ignorant and arrogant the approach of the writer is, he has no idea what he is talking about the realities and truth on ground. I am one of the judge that how cruel "US policies" are for this region, they destroyed not only the color of this society but also brought their status from sole supper power to a power who is roaming in the barren mountains of Afghanistan for ?? Ask Farid Zakria
I concur! This guy probably has never visited Pakistan or seen the damage done by the drone attacks. Does the U.S expect love & support whilst the drones are busy killing Pakistani people? I don't think so. (And I am being fair and honest, nothing biased)
Maren Brekke it seems you are an American but married to a Pakistani woman, or you have been brainwashed by the Pakistani terrorists, that's the reason of you're speaking like an anti-American, what a shame¡
My Pak friends here in Los Angeles dong support USA but the benifits from USA. The PAK are toe faced back stabing people, the need to turn over the land the belongs to Afghans from thr Duron line. Thd Talib will distroy thete master Pakistan.
Fareed,
You know the facts but you are not telling the whole truth and the real interests of the nations involved in Afghanistan.
Now that Al-qaeda is almost finished in Afghanistan , US needs to withdraw respectfully. However, the undeclared agenda of protecting/monetizing Caspian Sea Oil/gas has/is in progress on behalf of US corporations. Karzai was a Unocal employee and zalmay Khalizad a Consultant in Unocal. The Talibans even visited Unocal's HQ in TX as a part of this grand design. That agenda is still alive to build both gas & oil pipelines from the Caspian Sea to Pakistan & India.That is why the US is blocking the less expensive but faster pipeline from Iran to Pakistan.
Now the Taliban are evil and must be destroyed, preferably by the mercenary but unwilling Pakistanis they have engaged to fight on their behalf . In the 80's both the Taliban /Pakistan were the darling of the fight against Soviets. when the Soviets( end game ) was achieved, the US abondoned both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
If Pakistan and USA have different objectives for this end game, this time around again, so be it. US should go home and Pakistan must learn to live on its own without US AID.
after ten years of fighting, nobody seems to have won. Mean while, my tax dollars fund a unwinnable war. I say, its time to get out with dignity and respect.
This is the difference between a Muslim from India and Pakistan – OPPORTUNITY. Fareed grew up with same opportunity as others around him regardless of religion, sect etc., and is now a famous journalist known for his balanced and fact based columns. If he was born in Pakistan, either he would have died before he was 10 or become a terrorist.
And who are you ? from greek origin...? Fareed is the best we have in this country, he speaks the truth and truth may not be sweet always.
Preach on Fareed!
He is telling like it is and it is the truth.
On the contrary, Zakaria is quite on the mark. Yes, he is Indian, but you quickly forget he is also Muslim, thus is not exactly predisposed to the stereotypical anti-Pakistan Indian bias. Furthermore, the Pakistani military does in fact support insurgents, largely to wage a proxy war against Kashmir to poke India. India cannot fully respond, because Pakistan has nuclear weapons, as does India. This in turn will continue to lead to low level conflicts, which may or may not escalate. Let us hope each country's nuclear deterrent continues to work. In the meantime, it remains that Washington's current policies toward Pakistan are utterly failing, and it is imprudent to continue providing the current levels of military assistance. The US could lean more closely to India – THAT will wake Pakistan up.
The US needs to stop the aid that has been going to Paki and divert it to the Indians in the form of advanced military hardware. If the Pakis want to play hardball we should provide hardball equipment to India. To he!! with the Pakis.
one of the more intelligent posts. i agree.
Mr Farooqui I agree with you Mr Zakria never for once said one positive thing about Pakistan His writing is very anti Pakistani and one sided and it has lot to do with his being Indian
Hahaha!! You make it sound like Pakistan is the most desired people/place in the world. Wake up!!!! You like it or not, PAK is the most dangerous place and full of mu$lims!!! Thats enough for it to be a breading ground of terror...
Are you saying Indian Muslims are supposed to be anti-Pakistan? That's good news and another proof that terrorist activities in India by so called oppressed Indian Muslim Terror groups are actually controlled by Pakistan.
Nailed itttttttttttttt
yes you are right. this is not good policy of journalism there is saying (enemy of enemy is friend)
It is general phrase that enemy of enemy is a friend. if you consider minues "-" as enemy than – multiply by – equals to plus "+" hence proved that enemy of enemy is a friend. Friend of a friend is a friend (+x+ = +). stupid interpretation but Pakistani rules.
Pak you
I thought all muslims are brothers ...If sombody says in favor of you..thats your Muslim brother....if he is against you then he is Indian...man make up your mind
Great statement. You are both concise and precise.
if Fareed has lived all over world, doesnt he know ? who actually made these terrorists ? who funded them in 1980 war agiant USSR , and now you guyz are disowning them....
hummh Indian RAW at CNN
agree
Again a very thorough commenting by Fareed. I just cannot understand why Pakistan is allowed to behave like a spoiled rich brat. The more deplorable things they do the more allowance they get, while a the same time the public school teachers are suffering. We should divert that money to those hard working public school teachers who are losing voice and working for a pittance. Shame on Pakistan, the most corrupt nation on the earth, their only export is terrorism.
Forget the teachers, they are like the Pakis. They cry for mo0re money while turnibg out the least educated American kids in the past 200 years
And every older generation has said the same thing of younger generations for thousands of years.
It is because you are old.
shame on the people who open the schools of terrorism in 1980's here in PAKISTAN against USSR, spoiled the world peace by investing billions of dollars funding with their NATOrious nation's. Nurture haqanis and other groups. and later deployed their forces.
Oh for heaven's sake Fareed! Are you that ignorant? Do you really not know why Pakistanis are becoming anti-American? Try looking at he drone strikes that sometimes get innocent civilians; try looking at the likes of Raymond Davis who kill people in Pakistan in cold blood and then get away on diplomatic immunity, only to say later that yes, I was a civilian contractor for the CIA; try looking at the two dozen soldiers who were killed by NATO helicopters last week. Seriously?! Are you that much of a mouthpiece now that you can't even rationalize why people in Pakistan hate the US?
Try looking into the dozen Pakistani citizens that get arrested with bomb vests in Afghanistan almost every month. And the fact that they are trained on Pakistani soil. Try looking into thousands of school kids, men, women who die every year as a result of suicide attacks in Afghanistan. Try looking into the beheading of an 8 year old, who was accused of spying, last year in Afghanistan. That is a lot of evil that is being infested into Afghanistan. These are the reason why most Afghans hate the Pakistani government. One more thing, what seems rational to you may not be to others. If you believe that what you have argued in written or oral form is accurately reasoned, then it is totally rationalized. You don't have the right to accuse somebody else of falling short of rationalization. You can't tell unless you are in their shoes.
Mr afghan ,do u think that every thing u wrote , happened in Afghanistan, all due to Pakistan ??? , for last three decades we r the sufferers because of you , You tell me only five years where Afghans live peacefully ??? do u think that creation of Taliban is only our fault ???? you are the Nation when no one to fight , you begin to fight with each others ??? ethnic grounds , religious grounds , social grounds ,and so many reasons , its your crop which is ripped and nothing else , and surprisingly u r blaming Pakistani , the cause of your every bombing or casulities try to think in broader perspective that who is behind all of that , you are not the only sufferer , Its IRAQ , PLASTININE , KASHMIR ,and many African Muslim countries ...........so it might not be an accidental event.....that we all r bombarded and ruined and all others are in peace .......there is lot in it ......think ........
Oh yea he is right in saying so coz Afghanistan was the most peaceful country since its birth, they never indulged in any sort of war. Such a thank less nation that you will never see ever being born again, like snakes, no matter how much u feed them they will bit you back..........Take back the baggage of 3.5 million Afghani ppls out of Pakistan and be respectable nation
Oh Irfan, now you know why the whole world is turning anti_Pakistan. Don't you realize that you don't get love and affection from other countries if (a) you indoctrinate your kids against the west and India from the first day of school (b) send in terrorists in to almost every neighboring country? (c) have a hand in most terrorist attacks carried out in the world? Most knowledgeable terror experts in the world understand that Pakistan is the epicenter of terrorism and has active state and ISI support and backing. Pakistan *MUST* be made to drop state-sponsored terror and become a productive member of the world community for the good of its citizens, and rid itself of radical Islam. The world cannot do this – eventually with the world's support, the moderate Pakistani public will have to rise up to the task. Else the only other solution is to break up Pakistan into 3 or 4 countries so the smaller pieces do not have the strength to create havoc in the world.
And the sage from India also speaks! The perceptive, all-knowing Zakariya! And he says: 'I write this as someone who has consistently supported engaging with the Pakistani government as the best of bad options.' Let me quote from Zakariya's 'The Post-American World' page 271. The 'option' he offers here is quite different. And so goes the great Zakariya: 'What the United States is lacking in a place like Pakistan is a broader effort to assist that country in its modernization and an effort that makes it clear that the United States wants to ally with the people of that country' (and not just the military). Instead of analyzing whether and to what extent the US failed in this respect, the great Zakariya goes off on a tangent now. Need I say more about the policy prescriptions of the guru? Sorry, I am not going to bother about his Time.com nonsense. Time spent reading his words of wisdom in The Post-American World is already time wasted.
An article by a well versed Indian-American political scientist is enough to tickle off many Pakistanis. Oh, the bitterness of reality.
reading your comment was time wasted. i will be sure to skip your comments in the future. you should just skip Zakaria's articles if you assume he has an anti pakistan agenda. The truth is, Pakistan's reaction to war time incidents is way over the top and is causing a complete lack of credibility for positions they take that may have some legitimacy.
Fareed Zakaria is indeed a tool. How he got a job with CNN is beyond me. All his articles are opinion based and like someone mentioned earlier, he loves to bash Pakistan.
Fareed is not the only one that sees the reality of what a worthless alley Pakistan truly is. Pakistan deserves bashing.
Tom the only thing that deserves a bashing here is YOU.Ignorant loser.
Tom try to use your brain ,instead of Fareed s , he is a bloody Indian and if you are Ignorant of the relations bet. two countries , since their creation , an Indian can never be speak gud for Pakistan , if you dig deep u might understand ...
You know your comments don't add anything, do you? When you have nothing to add why don't you STFU?
It would be my guess that most things in life are beyond you.
you are not helping yourself by attacking everyone that disagrees with your position. try to formulate an intelligent debate
Who doesn't? these days, even Pakistanis are bashing Pakistan!
I am glad to see some members of the press waking up to reality. Pakistan is simply not a nation worth American support. The Muslims of Pakistan will never be America's true ally or friend. It is time to support India, which would make a far more reliable ally in the region and the people of India have a more favorable view of America. India would make a natural ally and a good counter to Pakistan and China. Fareed is exactly right in ignoring the worries about Pakistan's nukes. There is a simple solution to Pakistan using its nukes against Western targets - it is called Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) and it worked very well during the Cold War. The Pakistani military controls the nukes and if America makes it very clear to Pakistan than any Pakistani nuke used by a terrorist on Western territory would result in the complete and utter destruction of all life in Pakistan, it would be a good deterrent and inspire the Pakistani military to keep a very good eye and tight control on their nukes.
what's the US mission there? safety of the rest of the world from potential terrorists getting nuclear and getting more powerful right?
the most important point Zakaria is making here is that pakistan isn't going to be anarchy ruled by terrorists like somalia.
so maybe we can leave them alone.
Pakistani military don't have control over border tribal regions where terrorists use as a training post, but if they seem powerful enough to keep them at a bay. it's not great but what can anyone do?
if pakistanis want to be left alone with their central military rule and tribal regions rather than intervened from the west with combination of drone strikes and humanitarian aids, leave them alone. let them do their fights and help when asked (not in private by dictators but by its people in public like Libyans did).
oops i didn;t mean to post my comment as "reply" to someone else. sorry
Often Pakistan uses a lame excuse that the areas bordering Afghanistan are lawless tribal regions. If Islamabad shirks responsibility for all the terrorist activities in the region and does not control it, how can it claim sovereignty over it? Either Pakistan needs to eliminate all these militants operating in the area or else someone else will do the job for them. Period.
mary you are wrong about threat to nuclear from Taliban.... its only key of America to enter Pakistan and take over our nuclear assets and it is not possible .........
Mary, the US did leave Pakistan alone, even though it knew about Osama bin Laden and the terrorists he was funding, even after the attack on the USS Cole, and even *after* the world trade center attack (the basement bombing). It was ONLY after 9/11 that the US gave the "will bomb you back to the stone age" message to the Pak military, if they did not support the US in its war against the Taliban in Afghanistan. Now who backs the Taliban? Pakistan! So you see, its damned if you do, MORE damned if you don't! Why do you think that attacks against the US will stop if US "leaves Pakistan alone"? Agreed that Pakistan's reason for existence is hatred against Indian Hindus and terrorism of India (even though more muslims live in India today than in Pakistan) and that is India's problem to solve and not of the US. But India has suffered from Pak terror since 1989! But if the Pak terrorist problem is not resolved permanently, the world is doomed to suffer from terror for a very long time – countries like Russia, China, India and Israel need to be united and join forces – the US cannot do this alone. C'mon, UN – this anti-terror fight is what the UN was made for, isn't it???
pakistan does not need american support or for that matter anyone else. take you support and shove ...you know where....look behind you. [pakistan has emerged as a military leader of west central asia and has everyone baffled and jealous. thats the way it is my friends ....time to bow to pakistan.
pak is big joke thats all ... just look at the pict .. they all look funny and stinky dressed in parachute pants lol
no worries...pak is on self destruct mode..if nato and US don't finish it off..pak itself will terminate itself...just chilll
Agree...its going downhill...no hope.
Pakistan is not going to silently disappear from the world map. It will try its level best to pull the neighbors into the ditch. The birth and death of Pakistan will be one of the most catastrophic events in world history.
Well, above comments show how much Pakistanis are obsessed with Indians. What Fareed is saying is absolutely right, and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that. Pakistan is a country whose very foundation was on religious fundamentalism. No surprise, that now it's the most dangerous country in the world, whose only export is terrorism. The surprising part of this is that, when anyone tells Pakistanis the truth, they think it's an Indian or American or Israeli master plan. Wake up and see what's around you. Blaming Fareed about his comments, won't change the future of Pakistan. Stop blaming American's for your condition as well. You can't have snakes in your backyard that bite only your neighbors and leave you alone. It's a well know fact that Pakistan has continued use of "terrorism" as a state policy, right from the time of Zia-ul-Haq, Benazir Bhutto and Pervez Musharraf. The world would be a much more prosperous, better and safer place without Pakistan (I'm not the only one who thinks this, just because I'm Indian). People all over the world now know what Pakistan stands for and what it exports. So, open your eyes, stop blaming others, and take steps for the better future of your country.
Sumit..the world would be a better place if people like u and ur indian buddy Fareed Zakariya were shipped off to mars.Isnt it a fiield day for some indians because of all the Pakistan bashing ur friend does.Shame on people like u.Ill personally get u a ticket to mars.:)
wow, sumit comment was just confirmed by indian hating commenter above. now i'm seeing how deeply racist those people are.
Sending me or whole world to Mars or Venus won't change the reality my friend. Your country needs a revolution to get back to it's feet. Extremism doesn't help anything. The more you turn a blind eye towards the reality, the more it will haunt you in the near future. Open your eyes !!!
Sorry but ...look at your country and tell us what your country has offered to this world? Terror ? Look at your schools , education system. ..look at India now...great power ...education..economy..military might...democracy at its best when there are hindus,muslims,christians,skihs,paris,jains, buddhists living in harmony. I guess we will all agree that the world will be a better place without terrorists and countries who train terrorists in camps...give it a second thought.
Mehreen, Wake up and stop this nonsense. When the Americans with their 5000 LBS daisy cutters some to teach your nation a lesson, there wont be much help from any source. India was stopped , several times by the Americas from attacking Pakistan. 2001, 2008, it was close. So Get some sense in your thick Paki Head, A begging nation with no economy and sustainability, needs to wake up. Remember what happened in 1971, dont let it repeate again.
hahaha Mr Kaul , thats wt i try to tell every one that , that u Indians cant never ever think or do gud in Pakistan s favour , that prove me right , we know how prosper u r , back in your home , and almost hitting the moon with ROCKET , in u , not ever try to understand that for last three decades Pakistan is the stagefor international games , America defeated USSR through Us , used us , now playing in our field , next to us trying to harvest snakes , in form of Indians , in our neighbour , we cant stop to indulge our selves , not to play in our national intrest , in Afghanistan,........and telll me any time when u people gave us breathing space .......every time u try to blast our asses and still doing that with Israelis ......isnt it ???????
Dear friends, there is no use in fighting with each other. We all are human beings & love their own countries. So better fight against terrorism instead of fighting each other which is a big hinderance of our growth & happiness.
End of the day, everyone wants happiness in life
Comment in English, if you know English. It was an headache to read your comment... just like your disgusting country.
India had also supported terrorism in sirilanka , bullying bhotan a small state, killing kashmiris, what do they indian think they are PUWITAR, their RAW in collabration with MOSAD had conducted terrorist attacks in PAKISTAN (in 80's several bomb blast in Karachi), and SIRILANKA.
pakistan has emerged as a leader of the west central asian region and a gateway to europe and central asia....hindus......eat your heart out!!!!!
Yes pakistan has become a leader..leading their citiizens to doom...India will have the last laugh...u fool. Look at India ..its one of the most emerging economies of the world, powerful yet peaceful, powerful but not arrogant......what has pakistan to offer to the world..terror ? Tell your govt to invest in education ...because your country cant stand another war with India...u will be screwed big time...so shut up and just take it ..u tough guy.
Sorry summit, but as u can see Muslims all around the world are being targeted, not jst pakistan. Not to say there is corruption in Pakistan, but being a third world country just like India, there is corruption everywhere. Now coming back, why would it be a stressful full situation for a muslim country which has a nuclear weapon. If india is given all the US aid. So be it, another reason why there is distress in the country is because, History recalls pakistan raised these same people Mujahideens aka talibans for 1 billion dollars worth of aid to Zia ul haw, to Soviets. Thus at that time these mujahideens were heroes.. I would suggest all the people who have wrote comments in favor of Zakkaria to open their eyes. Think out of the box. He is an indian working for CNN, the credibility is completely ruined. And what makes u think Americans haven't benefited from Pakistani military.. With out permission of a strong military country no outsider can attack like US did so close to home country .. to capture Osama, Assuming he did exist. All your opinions are in favor of Zakariah lack international political knowledge, and show complete ignorance, much loaded with emotions. see how muslims are suffering around the world. its sad thought, I favor peace . I am an American.. And if the true AMERICAN PEOPLE were ruling American military, i would live and let live., (meaning people who actually want truce not intervene in other countries affairs, show some literacy)
and excuse my typos.. didn't revise.. but i am sure u can fill in the blanks. but you know.. what ever the case maybe.. attacking ur own allied post killing pakistani soldiers, is not right.. no matter what Zakarias opinions are.. no matter what pakistani army does.. its wrong.. there are always two sides to this story.. I hope there is enough justice on this post of walls to believe that that was wrong. ! I hope things get better in both of the nations.. and india look past the history and get over th e emotional attachment. I am sure no one here on these posts wants muslims or hindus dead..
Just who in their right mind can blame the Pakistanis for hating us? Since 2001, we've been running their government for all intents and purposes since G.W. Bush himself threatened to litterally bomb Pakistan back into the Stone Age if they didn't collaborate with us againt the Taliban in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. As a direct result of this, the Pakistani people are now suffering a great deal We really need to reverse our foreign policies everywhere!
Exactly Mary please LEAVE US ALONE!!! We don't hate the normal american civilian but yes we v much dislike the US government almost as much as we dislike our own inept corrupt government. Please we have nothing against you all we want is for u to leave us alone let us deal with our own matters.
Fools, then why do you get American aid and arms for free for fighting against taliban. Why do you need F16s and 25s to fight them... that too free... fools...
@suresh my English is weak & i am ready to teach it from your sister .........tell her to tusion me....waiting ...huhhh
the aid is a joke...if you follow the details on this aid you will find it is not delivered to the Pakistanis.
It is more of propoganda and media advertisement then anything being given to them.
The F-16s were not an aid by the americans...it was all paid for and on top of that the U.S delayed the delivery while having gull payment and when delivered the planes they were missing lot of the technology that was provided to Israel for the same planes.
Do some research before writing.
Get realistic on the U.S gov policies...they are all lies.
Amercian people on the other hand are very innocent of what their gov does.
Pakistan and taliban mentality one and the same. The soonner the world realizes the better.
Pakistan is supporting the taliban. Pakistan is very good at lying.
you are an Indian khurra. figure it out what i mean if you are that intelligent.
You are an India dukkar
go figure it out...u love day..figure it out if u understand that too.
If you read the history you will find that the U.S gov is the one who made the talibans, supported them and then since itself promotes lies and deceits it found itself fighting them.
This article of non-sense shows your naiveness on the international matters. I use to think you do write some unbiased news. But this one really shows you are no more a mouthpiece. A quarter of the pakistan's economy run by US aid?? Are you kidding?? Do you know how much aid did US gave since last 2 years to pakistan?? This is more of a propaganda . Pakistan has suffered more than $65 billion of losses since last 10 years and US had hardly provided aid of $7 billion to $9 billion. And this also includes all the expenses spent on private security contractors for covert war inside pakistan. Get your facts correct. If they were receiving money is such huge amounts then why the pakistan army explicitly declared last year they no more need US aid.
Fact of the matter is US generals have lost war in Afghanistan and now wants to bully Pakistan to spill blood of Pashtuns before they leave. US now has lost moral ground of a super power. It is US who is showing aggression and it is US who needs pakistan for safe exit in Afghanistan.
If US generals continue to show aggression then in no time US would meet the same fate of USSR. They will be buried in Afghanistan.
Mirza's comments are the only logical comments in the above discussion with logic and facts. America is looking for an escape goat................thats the summary of the current situation.
So, your people and country is stupid enough to loose 65 billions for the sake of USA hahaha what a joke.... if you were that capable, you would have preferred 65 billion, that you are imagining. Your army did not think what you are thinking and they were confident that they can make a killing money by taking money just like they took in the afghan war... and lead millionaires life... . Idiots like you do not have access to right information, good studies and values... unfortunately you are from a [officially] disgusting country...
Is this Imran from YSU? If so, this is Brian D. from YSU. write me back if so and catch up with what is going on...If not I won't expect a reply.
Brian.
Are you kidding me, you lost $65 billion, your nation has $65 billion. Last time I checked, your Porkilan never had Foreign exchange reserves of more than $18 billion. If not for the Americans, your Army would not have the fancy F 16s and the latest equipment. How many more kids will you brain wash to kill as sucide Bombers. WAKE UP, DOOMS DAY IS CLOSE> SOMEBODY GONNA GET HURT AND IT AWFULLY LOOKS LIKE PORKILANd
How would Americans feel, If Pakistani military enters there territory and kills dozens of their soldiers.. We will be terrorists then, they'll do the same with us, that they did with Afghanistan. What do we get after fighting this never ending war? Some 40,000 civilian deaths and more than 65$ billion loss to our economy..? How lame of you Mr. Zakaria.
FAREED: The US has pushed this string up the hill about as far as it can go. Though the nuclear risk with Pakistan is much higher I think than you are willing to accept. Just remember nuclear proliferation to unstable Governments of N. Korea, and several Middle East Bad boys was conducted by Pakistan through their guy Khan. You cannot tell me Pakistan did not know!
But as my local Pakistan friends here in Houston who are now US Citizens have told me; the Mullahs in Pakistan hate the US and no matter what news these Pakistanis take home on visits about how well they are treated here in the US these decision makers refuse to accept for their hearts are hardened against the US. I give our relationship with Pakistan a minus -2 for any chance of healing much less continuing. This is a cultural and Religious distrust of the US by Pakistan and no amount of making nice will end it!
Guys Americans support Pakistan NOT to help its people but to further their own interests. And to be upfront and capitalist, as most americans are, the price ain't worth it and the Pakistanis have figured it out after being screwed by Americans for over sixty years. What Pakistanis are saying is SCRAMMMMMM.....no more free lunches and freebies....go India. And India is saying ...... we want more!!!!! It is not complicated. America needs to pay up market value. tell you what....to solve alll the problems...let us have an appraisal done and then pay the price...is not this the Amercian way........huaaaahhhhh!!!
farid is struggling to justify his job so he usually engages in such khurra stirring. pakistan has emerged. take a bow farid. bend down
Fareed, are you aware that Pakistan has made triple the sacrifices the United States has made over the war in Afghanistan? That Pakistan's expenses in helping fight the war far exceed those of the US? They have cooperated for over ten years with this country and what do they get in return? An invasion that insults the sovereignty of their country and just recently an attack on two military bases, killing 24 Pakistani soldiers. Call me crazy, but it sounds like if anything, it is the friendship with the United States that brings no benefits to Pakistan. But I expect nothing more from you Fareed, than spreading your biased, kiss-up to CNN opinions to people who don't know better than to believe you. You're not a real journalist. I highly suggest you reevaluate your career choice.
Thank you, Fatimah. I totally agree. Yes, Fareed Zakaria does have the wrong opinion about the U.S. government which is quite corrupt itself because it's being run by a bunch of right-wing fanatics in Washington!!!
Fatimah agree with you 100%. Pakistan has paid a higher price than any country in the Afgan war. Fareed, be fair that all I ask.
A typical case of 'What I believe is THE truth. What I don't like can't be right' syndrome. Oh yeah, it does looks like you have company from @smallvoice et al.
Everyone, read the caption underneath the picture before you make a judgement.
In 65 war US govt banned weapons supply to us leaving our soldiers with outdated equipment, in 71 US govt did worse and we didn't hear a peep out of them when indira gandhi openly admitted that she broke up Pakistan. Then you came in Afghanistan in 78 and we helped you with our lives, lands and resources, what did we get in return after 10 years, in 1988 US govt abandoned us, placed more sanctions on us, not just military but economic too! In 1998 more sanctions because we tested nukes AFTER india, who by the way, contrary to what you would have us believe, are an existential threat to Pakistan! And then 9/11 happened and there you came once more to us wagging your tails. And after 11 years, 40,000 deaths, almost 70billion of losses (thanks for the 20 billion in "aid" btw), you have the audacity to blame us for playing a double game? I think it may be a case of pot calling the kettle black here!
No country on the planet has been more supportive of Pakistan over it's short life span than the US. You forget the billions in Aid both Military and the highways, airports, bridges, power plants, schools, and hospitals all built and paid for by the US. Good luck when Pakistan is run by the same terrorist organization the ISI and Pakistani military made to control Afganistan. They will eat Pakistan alive once the aid gets shut off. Pakistan is on a one way trip to an isolated oblivion of unspeakable corruption and self destruction. I think it's best if the US washes it's hands of this one way friendship and focuses on India and Afganistan.
All of your aid has strings attached! who are you trying to fool? And if US has been supportive then its due to its own vested interests! May that be china, Afghanistan or soviet's downfall! And for that we have kept our end of the bargain as well. You have done us no favours at all, all of your aid was a business deal. So lets stop this charade of being "allies". You have betrayed us times and again and we are sick of you as you are of us.
Are you kidding me? Pakistan is on way to destruction and isolation? US almost defaulted on its debts, unemployment is at 14%, your army is trapped in two countries who dont even have proper weapons to fight with and are humiliating US! You are a citizen of that country who has in the past decade attacked or invaded 5 sovereign countries and Pakistan is on the way to isolation? We have just concluded trade deals with India, china and Iran! where as you are owing trillions of dollars in Europe and Asia! You dont have good relations in South America, all of them probably hate US. Your relations with China and Russia arent that great either and the muslim world is no friends of yours (except maybe the Saudis). We on the other hand have good relations with China and our relations with Russia are getting better day by day. You and the brits have plundered africa to poverty! So that leaves you with what? Europe and Australia? Hollywood fantasies and CNN crap (written by people like Zakaria) are all very hunky dory but ground realities are very different my friend.
And leave the ISI and Army to us Pakistanis, we know how to deal with each other better than you think.
Go to a bank in Pakistan and ask for a loan or assistance, there will be strings attached to every aid or assistance. You are not begging 10$, you are begging billions... you will have strings attached to your throats... get practical.... Your army is the most richest, it gets budget with out any auditing of expenses and it gets aid from USA, it made a killing money back in the Afghan war and then it supplies arms to all the millitants and makes money... so, every child wants to get into army because they want to make money .... such a disgusting country...
First of all i dont think you have read my comments properly. Secondly, go and ask zakaria what Musharraf told him on record, live on television about the "aid". Thirdly i would recommend you either take english courses or go learn banking because no bank in the world will issue aid. There is a huge difference between aid and loan. Let me give you and example, the money we borrow from IMF is loaned (that is heavily stringed too), we have to repay it but the money we get as aid is not meant to be returned. As chris in his reply pointed out they are meant for the development of the country and thats the ONLY condition the aid should have. But that is not what happens. So what US does is NOT aid but its bribing the politicians. just like to get out of a ticket you pay the cop 50 rupees, US bribes our politicians in the name of aid to get their dirty work done. WE DO NOT NEED THEIR AID!
And Pakistan is a million times better than your slum of a country, where there are people who are actually "untouchable". You want me to carry on??
Pakistan has always feared India, righly or wrongly. Pakistan has always felt insecure with any sort of relationship with any favorable or unfavorable government it has dealings with. Pakistan promotes narcissism better than any other country on earth. The US has been an effective money provider to whatever regime is in power, and, it has neither bought friendship nor reduced tensions. Pakistan is dangerous to itself and anyone involved with it. Pakistan has been adept at playing everyone, and is a fence straddler.
The best solution for the US is to recognize that Pakistan deserves what is asking for, to be left alone, without any outside support of corrupt regimes, and to fail on their own duplicity. Let it be. Just let it be. Their neighboring countries cannot and will not be any better dealing with Pakistan then the rest of the world, but they will also have to make the difficult decisions that the western world has been reluctant to make. Let it be.
The US needs to let Pakistan deal with their own creation. Let it be.
Pakistan is a failed state in every respect. Its central government cannot control large sections of its own territory. It cannot prevent its citizens or resident foreigners from raiding across the border, as is required by international law. The US drone attacks across the border are therefore legal, legitimate, and necessary. Pakistan's foreign and domestic policies are idiotic. It spends most of its sovereign income preparing for a war against India that it has not the slightest possibility of winning. At the same time, its own people decline ever more into poverty and ignorance. The Pakistanis who commented above prove the comment about ignorance. The best policy for Pakistan to avert ultimate collapse is to request reincorporation into India. India, of course, would be insane to agree. It is long past due for the US to stop supporting Pakistan financially. American financial aid serves only to assist the Pakistani military to continue an insane policy to the great detriment of the Pakistani people, who deserve better.
Stop watching Hollywood movies
and bury your stupid head in the sand of denial.
Stupid Iindian pretending to be some one else.
i'm afraid you are right. I do feel sad for the intelligent rational pakistanis that must exist albeit you couldn't tell from the pakistanis posting in this forum
Stupid Pakistani hating Indian you are Zakari. Avoiding critical facts.
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STOP PAK AID STOP PAK AID STOP PAK AID STOP PAK AID STOP PAK AID
stop BEGGING FOR AID
20 BILLION DOLLARS WASTED ON PAKIS ALREADY
FIX YOUR 16 HOUR POWER SHORTAGES FIRST
Pakistan is at war with secularism
Pakistan is at war with the civilized world, it is at covert war with the Americans , the west and NATO
Pakistan is at covert proxy war with Afghanistan and India.
PAKISTAN , ITS ISI was responsible for the Mumbai Attacks in India too and
the MUMBAI GUNMEN CAUGHT WAS A PAKISTANI AJMAL AMIR KASAB FROM PAKISTANI PUNJAB PROVINCE
IF IT IS TERRORISM , THEN IT IS FROM PAKISTAN
US top brass has lost patience now, it can't keep compromising with Pakistan as US Soldiers come home in bodybags, time to act AGAINST PAKISTAN, THE INTERNATIONAL HUB OF TERRORISM
To put it mildly, PAKISTAN IS A LIAR AND TRAITOR
IT HAS SUPPORTED TALIBAN FOR DECADES AND IT SUPPORTS AND SUPPORTED TERROR AGAINST INDIA FOR 65 YEARS, it sheltered BIN LADEN and got 20 billion dollars of AID
WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW THAT PAKISTAN SHOULD NOT EXIST AS ONE LANDMASS NOW , ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AND WE NEED TO DISMEMBER PAKISTAN
TOP AFGHAN INTELLIGENCE HEAD HAD BLASTED PAKISTAN FOR SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN COVERTLY
WHY HAVE WASTED 20 BILLION DOLLARS ON PAKISTAN ????????
DEAR FARID,
YOUR TALK AND OPINION IS TOTALLY NONSENSE TO SAY THE LEAST. SO WHAT DO U PLAN TO DO IF PAKISTAN ACCORDING TO YOU IS AN ALLY WITHOUT BENEFIT. WHAT BENEFIT ARE U LOOKING FOR .... IF NO BENEFIT THEN YOU ARE GOING TO BOMB PAKISTAN OUT OF THIS PLANET. LETS SEE WHOM US IS PLANING TO BOMB OUT OF THE PLANET IN NEXT FEW YEARS.. IRAN, SYRIA, PAKISTAN.. PLACES ALREADY BOMBED IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN . SO IF THINGS GET OUT OF HAND IN IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN THEN US OF A WILL BE FIGHTING PEOPLE OF IRAQ,IRAN,AFGANISTAN,SYRIA,PAKISTAN. NOW WITH ATROCITIES BEING COMMITTED IN THESE REGION WHAT COST WILL USA PAY HUMAN AND ECONOMIC AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENT. .THATS WHAT YOU WANT FARID .. WHAT GOOD IS MONEY THAT IS BEING MADE BY YOU WHO DOES NOT WRITE ARTICLE IN A NON BIASED WAY.
Zakaria's comments are against Pakistan due to his Indian origion. If you do PEW survey around the world about US foreign policies you will get the same results even in Canada and Britain. Long ago Canadian even attack US and burned the while house.
Farid.. you loser!! .. get your facts straight first.. are you that oblivious to NATO strikes? are you that ignorant of why in reality only 12% support US? You still dont understand when Musharraf told you that the money given to Pak by US was Paks money given to them so that US could carry out their covert operations in the Pak Afghan border? Thats called payment my friend.. not AID. You know very well that Pakistan has got nothing out of this friendship other then thousands of dead civilians and soldiers and more than $65 billion Paks money gone in gutter. If this friendship is without benefits to anyone, its Pakistan!
You really are a biased Indian whose favorite past time is Pak bashing. Go do something important, as Pak is here to stay.You and your cow-urine drinking Indian lobby that you are part of can do nothing to uproot it. Give it your best try!!
Cow-urine.. You PIG-URINE drinkers. PAKIs will stay but we will convert them to Hindus and take it back as part of India. We dont have to try.
this fake nash can go to hell. we must embargo pakistan and use more drones.
Modernity and dark ages.. cant live..togather... i
The whole generation of Pakistanis who post messages here are products of Zia Ul Haq's assembly line of brainwashing school curriculum. They have been programmed to believe in conspiracy theories that always the Indians, Israelis and Americans have no other occupation than to damage Pakistan. They have been taught distorted history which pretends as if they are part of the Arab world. They can not explain their identieis without referring to India. So, unfortunately their mindset will not change and the country is destined to go down the toilet
Fareed Zakaria , i will only say that you are very big KANGAR. Dont know anything about Pakistan , only get the money for writing these type of articles.
Isn't it ridiculous that while Washington has been giving billions and billions of dollars to the Pakistani government and its military to fight against Al-Queda and the Talibans, while affecting its (U.S.A) ECONOMY, and the Pakistani government and its corrupted military has been using these billions annd billions of dollars for their own personal uses and also of funding and arming Al-Queda and the Talibans, when will Washington open its eyes and see Pakistan's DIRTY GAME and double crossing?
You are such a dumb analyst whole article is one sided , didn't expect such rubbish from a person like you , You ya You need to enhance you knowledge about that particular region.
Fareed Zakaria is a brilliant mind, and having been born in the subcontinent has as good an understanding of the region as anyone else. If Pakistanis do not like to accept bitter truths, too bad.
Ahh i lived more of my life on both side of the worlds than zakariya and you.. and I am telling you he is a fail.
These are evil tactics from narrow mind ppls who think them self as champions of democracy and freedom.well yes off course whatever you are doing around the world is right.
Hats off to Pakistan!!!
official duplicity ..................... In the name of their historical-relations with extremists(taliban etc) they are supporting Taliban also, but on the other side they are reaping the benefits by superficially siding with USA also!!!
So even USA can't complain about it!!! As it is a 'bilaterally' acknowledged thing!!
Its exactly like -– 'drone attacks' as well as 'claiming that USA does respect PAk's sovereignty'!!!!
No country has ever ever made a "fool" of USA the way Pakistan has managed to fool USA!!! And for so many years!!!
Hats off to Pakistan!!!
If this continues with the same rate .... and parallelly if they manage to give birth to a half a dozen OBL (improvised, tech savy versions).................... then without ANY fight on the battleground, USA can be made to bite the dust!!!!
USA-Pak relationship is now based on distrust, fear, compulsion (on the mart of USA and not on the part of Pakistan ... Anyways Pak is not bothered of the welfare of their fellow citizen and there is money/power concentration in a few handfuls ... Pak will simply discard the unwanted chuck of their civilian masses (watch karachi, muhajir and other outbursts) .......... the way they did it in 1971 !!! ... Pakistan can very well survive without USA aid ..
And when there is a realisation that Pak has indeed managed to survive without USA aid ... then USA would get back to square one!!! .... all that is spent on Pakistan would be reduced to zero!!! ... there are many money suppliers to Pakistan in OIC )
But Pak is shreud country!!! ... They don't want to show that they indeed can survive without USA's aid ... they would/should try to squeeze out from USA as much as possible to do so ... no free lunches to USA!!!
Frankly speaking 'drone attacks' hardly make any dent to sovereignty!!!! .... it kills a few civilans at the most .... Anyways Pak, as a country, hardly cares for civilians .. there is no value of life there anyways.....
Drone ttack does a teporary damage and doesn't capture the land (sovereignty is said to be attacked if any country permanently encroaches the land and region!!)
'Drone Attack' is like hostile ambush/attack and then run away .... kind of battle! It is not meant to capture the land/region etc.
USA is trapped in a situation like "50 vietnam wars" at same time!
Pakistan would be written in history books as a country who WON THE WAR AGAINST the mightiest country by making it bankrupt by "official duplicity' tactics !!! ...
The strategy which westerns world used in the Iran-Iraq war.... and prospered at the cost of destructive battle in neighboring countries (by provoking both coutries and then selling the arms to both sides!!!!) .... same tactic is played against USA ... but in a subtly different manner ....
Claim that Pak is on the side of USA on 'war on terror' and behind the scene pass on help/arms to gurrilla militants and taliban!!!
And ensure that the WAR on Terror becomes everlasting!!!
Anyways there is no other means of survival/earning in Afghanistan........... In the history of Afghanistan, their only means of earning money was --WAR!
Its going to hit hard on USA (and going to be like salt rubbed on their wounds) .... because USA is pulling out of Afghanistan with accomplishing the (so called) 'war on terror' ... But reality is that 'USA has lost the war in Afghanistan' and it has also cost USA almost 1.3 trillion USDs!!
Pakistan does not claim to be a friend of USA, and has repeatedly announced that it is an ally of China. The Americans are just using Pakistan as a transport route to get its military supplies into Afghanistan. Pakistan is basically arm twisted by the American forces to cooperate by allowing that access.
China!! ahaha , what did china give you .... let me tell you... no money till now. Yes, you got nuclear prints from them and ya... some helps in arms because China wants to keep you like dogs to attack India... geo politics.... you are like those dogs... who can lick any thing and eat any thing for money..... But your main master is USA... he gives you life... the real cash... ask your army... they will give out standing statments to press... but deep down... they are licking balls...
Indians are a dancer producing generations , they need not enter here to debate about pakistan , usa or china...i would adivse them to concentrate on dancing and movie making , and dont waste time in this fruitless talks...
@ SURESH you are now trying to become American bully dog ......sucking its penis.....to change your so called image ...but never ever , we ruled you for almost 700 years and bashed you .......and you are now afraid of us ...but wait Mr......we r coming.....
REALLY? You complain about India being in Afghanistan well guess what, so is China, and China is everywhere, working peoples resources, but thats ok isnt it? America and Pakistan must work together for one reason. The world knows Pakistan has hiding places that the insurgents use to train and attack people all around the world. Osama was found there and many more. You are aware? Is this Americas fault? US wouldnt be there if Pakistan hadnt allowed them to be there in the first place.We need to work together to stop these groups.Pakistan and India need to solve their problems.
good post
i dont know wot should i write about ur comments....but this is a really worrying moment for both of the countries....Pak n USA.....should be resolved........society needs to be clean......for God Sake...sit together and resolve the issue....
i agree
Now as per their understanding osama bin laden is no more......why are they staying here in this region...USA should leave to their peaceful country and leave the region more peaceful without them. Isnt that agenda/, Well Pakistan already had smelt that when they started war in Afgahnistan and the shrewd leaders were successful in delaying it. but now the true american/cia agenda comes to show its colors.....Stay there you americans and see what happens further......your techno-based inflated egos and your most civilized people will show the truth soon. and you will see how these persion/tajik cats who are using infidels help against muslims (whether afghan muslims or pak muslims) would all come to know...Islam would be successful once again....
ad, this has nothing to do with Islam or occupation. Americas agenda is to train Afghans to defend themselves, NOT occupy. Youre a radical...no one wants religion forced on them. People have the right to choose what they want for themselves because only GOD can judge them not you or me.Americans went after the cause of their problem...there are many good Muslims but radicals are destroying the name of Islam and killing is against the TRUE word of GOD...anyone who said that GOD defended their killing in the name of religion, did not believe in a kind and loving GOD. Because GOD created us all equal as humans, so get over it.
Americans like the AFGHAN people, and they deserve to be safe from radicals, and radical Muslims are to blame for the decade of war. If radicals would leave the Afghans and the rest of the world alone, there would be peace, but they dont want peace. US does, but they will not tolerate attacks on them, so all countries should go after their own radicals.
Zakaria! Stop beating in the bush.
Taliban, Al-Qaeda dates back to cold war, formed, funded, trained and promoted by the CIA in collaboration with it`s allies in the region. US used them in the name of Jihad against USSR and dumped them when the objectives were met and let Pakistan deal with the rest. These products of CIA after being dumped, turned against US – a natural reaction in any relationship.
Kikk..US gave money to Afghans against Russia. Osama came to Afghanistan to join them. US did not have boots on the ground. US supported Northern Alliance against Russia. Americans understand your plight, so how do you suggest we get all the terrorists in Pakistan? This is what needs to be discussed.
you cant argue with religious fanatics with facts. facts are irrelevant. just mention the "west. israel or zionists" and watch the replies you get.
Pak is playing double game with Taliban. If Taliban were dead they wouldn't be able to milk the US.
Pak is angry because the US killed their honorary citizen not long ago.
Pak Pakistan !
WSJ published today that Pak CLEARED the airstrike that killed their own soldiers. Double face Pak, who would have thought ?
It does not mater whether Fareed Zakaria is Indian or Muslim. What matters is what he is saying. There is truth in some of his sentences, but there is also a total lack of consideration of the collateral damage caused by drones. Not only is Pakistan fighting the Taliban from within, now it has to cope with NATO air strikes. What is the underlying message here? Typically, someone has to be blamed for a decade of war. Bin Laden is dead. The chaos is not over. US has to leave the region. Its a headache. I don't think Fareed Zakaria has the capacity or the experience to fully understand the tribal areas of Pakistan. Its not something you learn while wearing suits in studios. It calls for onground journalists. Fareed Zakaria is certainly not that.
from comments on this column it seems only asian readers are interested in such kind of stuff. Common Aericans dont believe such fairy tales.
Zakaria, I wasn't expecting such a nonsense comment from you. What NATO (99% US) has done to Pakistan border, killing 24 solidiers, I think they are on the right track. Why US has to put their nose into everybody's business. Fix your economy and payback China.
PAKISTAN DESERVE NUCLEAR TO CLEARED TERRORIST
You know you a pakistani when 1. You own $ 300 machine gun & a $5000 rocket launcher but run around barefoot. 2 You have more wives than teeth. 3 You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof & suicide. 4 You can't think of anyone u haven't declared Jihad on. 5 You consider TV dangerous but routinely carry ammunition in your underwear . 6 You are amazed to discover that mobile phones have uses other than setting off road-side bombs. 7 You refine cocaine for a living but have a moral objection to drinking beer.
The last one was aweeesome "You refine cocaine for a living but have a moral objection to drinking beer" or may be even heroin..idiots
Karthik, this guy Rav is a Legend, such an awesome , I dont what to call it, its poetry man.
I have an idea. Lets attack Pakistan, replace their civilian government with a pro us guy and do nation building for them. Oh wait , we already tried that with Iraq and Afghanistan.........
Yay. another country that we will make an enemy of, and when the same thing happens here like in Iran, and the people get sick of us and overthrow their government and install an anti-U.S. government, Americans will wonder why they hate us.
Fareed Zakaria, I sense anti Pakistan bias from you. Very disappointing........
It really is not all that difficult to be anti Pakistani these days. All you need is a functioning brain.
MR Zakaria: you are one of the journalist seems liek on zionist payroll, your artilce shows nothing but hatred about paksitan. Being as indian i know you have to do work very hard and make your bosses happy otherswise you will loose your job. IMHO: pakistan has done alot for world community and it is time for us to recognize their sacrifise.
Hey Dude(Pakistani),
what's your real name,"pakistan has done alot for world community "?. Can you list atleast 2 good things that pakistan did for world.
Listen, all you Pakistan haters. We are so arrogant. We think if we don't provide AIDS to Pakistan. It will disappear. You fail to remember that Pakistan was already under sanctions prior to 911 and guess what? It became a nuclear power. How stupid do we have to be to think like this?
Did all the Indians have their fresh glass of urine this morning. IF not, were you out. Can I offer you mine?
India’s foreign minister has been criticised after speaking to the United Nations for three minutes before realising he was reading the wrong speech.
SM Krishna, India’s External Affairs Minister, read from the speech of the Portuguese Foreign Minister in front of the Security Council on Saturday before being corrected by an official.
By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:13 PM on 15th February 2011
By Siddharth Kara, Special to CNN, 03-06-2011
A bonded laborer named Haresh in West Bengal, India, once described to me how he took a loan of approximately $110 from the local landowner to get married to his beloved wife, Sarika.
Two decades later, Haresh told me, “My entire family is still in debt to the landowner. Sarika and I work in the fields, my sons and their wives work at the brick kilns. One day my grandchildren will work for the landowner. There is no way to repay these debts. We will only be free when we die".
Author Arundhati Roy: India's economic success a 'lie', BBC Headline, 02-06-2011
Comments from Indians about fareed Zak’s article on “america bcoming soft”
§ Indian Engineer
Yeah, that's what India needs right now, bring all the Indian engineers to work for India and not for this racist country called United states of america. You have no idea what will happen to the USA. It will be the poorest of the West. Do some research dude.
October 9, 2011 at 12:30 pm |
Hey Yankees this is what Indians think of you:
Hey Yankees this is what Indians think of you:
§ Proud Indian
When we were kids in India, all we knew about the US was these wonderful words.... Civil rights, Bill of rights... Emancipation Proclamation.. Land of opportunity... etc...
After we came here and lived in many of the cities in the US... we learned those words didn't make sense at all.
We also learned that USA became wonderful land ONLY because of a handful of people. The rest are stinkingly racist and dumb
Nice try, Pakistani! Your trying to pass yourself as an Indian wont work.
Is it Freak Zakria or Fareed Zakria? I think Freak is more appropriate.
This is an interesting topic: Fareed is indeed indian and will always be biased against Pakistan – its just the history of the 2 nations. On the other hand I do agree that he is a good journalist but very biased. People in America do not have all the facts of what has happened in pakistan since 9/11. The fact is that Pakistan has lost over 35,000 people in terror attacks including civilians and military. I am disgusted by some people here saying how pakistan is supporting terrorism – there is no way. The reason people dislike America is not because they hate the American people – it is because of the US policies of drone attacks that kill one terrorist and 20 innocent civilians. After losing so many people in the last 10 years with so many bomb attacks – people feel that this has been brought upon them due to the US war on terror. SO before anyone tries to call pakistan a nation of terror – please know the facts of how they have been suffering for the past ten years. 9/11 was one tragedy in the US but these tragedies occur so often in pakistan.
I agree that pakistan military had or has connections with the taliban. It was in pakistan's self interest to support them in the past but not now. The military needs to get rid of those people. They have realized that these people are enemies of pakistan also. The civilian government in pakistan are all corrupt. There wave of the future is imran khan. He is an upcoming leader that pakistanis are looking forward to having in power to change the future of the country.
To all my indian friends who just need a chance to bash pakistan – please grow up and realize the situation before you just start bashing becaue it is pakistan.
To all my pakistani friends – America is not your enemy and stop thinking that way. America has its interests I agree but we want a stable pakistan and have been helping to have the democratic government to be stronger so there are no more military coups.
People in the west knows Pakistan since 2001.But one has to talk to south asians to know more about pakistan. In 60 years of independent pakistan, no government completed their full term(that shows how stable pakistan has been).Pretty much all prime ministers who ruled country either they are killed or ran away to Britain(Sr.Bhutto was hanged,Zia-ul-haq was killed in mysterious plane accident,Benazir ran away to Britain and later killed in pakistan,Nawaz sherif ran away to Saudi,Musharaff ran away to Britain and current Mr 10% will go to jail or will run away to NY where he was living prior to becoming Predident).Their military created number of jihadi groups even they played major role in creating Taliban.Mr 10% who was in jail for 14 years(on corruption charges) is their president.Watch any of pakistan shows you still get a feeling of 80's(it's like an american stil living in cold war era).They are outdated and didn't move to 21st century yet. What ever is happening in pakistan is just a begining and there will be more voilence and more destruction in the future.They talk about revolution and they don't even know what it means.I am not anti pakistan but wanted to present facts about mecca of terrorists.
Al-Zawahari or whatever name is, he is living in pakistan just like Osama was living. They are not afghanistanis and they cannot live in rugged mountains and afghanistan's tough conditiions specially when they are getting old.Mullah Omar is in Afghanistan as he is a real Afghani and they are made of afghani soil and he will prefer to die in Afghanistan.
what is your real name azhar – santosh kumar?
Dude,
Proud to be an India Muslim.
Dude,
Proud to be an India Muslim just like Zakaria .
Azhar, just wait till Shiv Sena has their way then we'll see how proud you are.
What do you know about shiv sena?
azhar dude u r right about ur facts but let me tell u another thing..the reason why nobody ever finished their era is because after the 3rd leader that pakistan had the 4th one was a corrupt..luckily u guys had nehru for some time but we had mohd ali jinnah for a year the reforms ur nehru brought were amazing and same would be for us if mohd ali jinnah was there so that was a bad luck then a mistake by our 2nd leader was that he denied alliance with russia and went to U.S, in anger russia gave india the resources that U.S at those early time didn't gave us...u guys are creating your own MIG i mean come on u guys had some amazing luck in ur early times! u had resources since beginnig, now enough praising u guys, now the reason why the era was never finished because pakistan has only been ruled by 2 political parties! peoples party and muslim league(N) that is it and whenever they were opposed for corruption they resigned because they knew they'd be back people's party has ruled 3 times and this current era is the 3rd and the worst one, muslim league(N) nawaz sharif twice these 2 parties are corrupt without doubt! and they have been spoiling us truly but what has it to do with the people? does the govt and just 2 political parties represent the whole country? if they would have finished their era god knows where we would have been and nobody likes mr 10% seriously because he went to 100% and hes the reason we are falling...our leaders have been bad but we want peace dude u guys went up because of ur strong private sector that encouraged international organisations to invest in india and host many international tournaments...ur private sector was born in 1947 but ours was born and killed in 1971 and then ressurected in 1977 because of bhutto who nationalized industries...so it's not that u guys have a very good govt noway man! its ur private sector billionaires making it happen and u guys should be happy ur not a neighbour of afghanistan because taliban refugees and god knows what has been a gift to us from afghanistan! so stop accusing pakistan for everything we just want peace man!
To all lovers of Indian Food:
Did you know food is sprinkled with cow urine to bless it. If you don't believe me then ask your best Indian friend or your favorite Indian restaurant. If they are honest they will confirm what I say.
Low class Pakistani. Your comments tell a lot about yourself.
You just confirmed that you are a nut. And a bigoted, disgusting NUT at that. Go away! This forum is not for uncivilized barbarians like you.
Will the Indians please answer this question that has been burning within me for so long. When your Prime Minister drank his urine, was it because of it's refreshing taste, scarcity of water or just tough times? I beg you. Please answer this question.
He drank it because yours was not available.
Get out of all islamic countries and nuke them all because they are not our friends,
The biggest problem with Pakistani's is they are liers,you cannot trust them with anything.Its in their blood.Osama was in their backyard for years,as long as they were given aids by the USA they were satisfied.They would sale their own mother for their benifit.Fareed is right.
dude we weren't the one's who attacked and took over hyderabad which was a matter in the united nations of the disputed territory..ur just being a typical indian attacking pakistan verbally and btw aid(the funds given) aids(the illness with no cure) and ur right aids were given without doubt in terms of drone attacks, taliban rivalry, destruction of economy, taking innocent people as prisoners, killing our soldiers, harsh policies over pakistan, not focusing on the removal of pakistani govt but rather the nuclear power we have despite the information they have of how corrupt the prime minister and president is...yup they have given us aids!
Mahesh, would you be so kind and answer my question above. I'm sure you must know the answer because you seem to be a fan of human urine also.
Low class Paki. Your comments tell a lot about yourself.
first of all the stats of the majority of Pakistanis hating U.S is correct! the thing rav has is wrong first of all u don't live in Pakistan so shut up man! secondly Pakistani govt is corrupt, there is a possibility that the army and govt could be supporting the terrorrist groups in order to get more aid from U.S so they could fill in their swiss banks by the way guys all the aid and the quarter of american budget that comes into pakistan goes into the swiss bank accounts held by our leaders and btw american leaders are well aware of that! nothing is actually applied onto us..terrorrist groups have their seperate mosques in PARTICULAR i repeat PARTICULAR RURAL AREAS where they are brain washing muslims with less knowledge of Islam! they go crazy and they start bombing and in result not just americans but we Pakistanis die too so Pakistan or it's people are not the reason we all are suffering and 9/11 is happening it is our president and commander in chief all doing this and the CIA and the american govt is well aware of that, to solve all the problems U.S should stop wasting their money into pakistan now and should now actually concentrate in making an effort in changing the Pakistani govt and the U.S has that power, im not saying that U.S should control Pakistan, they should make the president resign and get the elections started and right now is the best time because finally Pakistan has seen a change in politics and thank god it's positive a new leader with the name of Imran khan who is considered to be honest and has educated people in his party has risen...right now american guys i jus wanna tell u that our leaders are a'holes! we don't want them the president played some intellectual politics and he became the president and hes the worst guy ever born trust me! u want proof? the name of the guy is asif ali zardari, just go to google and write meaning of zardari and you'll get all the good words used for him in the urban dictionary etc...people of Pakistan want peace guys because with the name of war on terror our economy is in a slump..first time in the history of Pakistan people are dying of hunger everybody is getting poor except the politicians and too much divided groups and lawlessness has made these leaders arrogant and they would deny to resign...i just have one question from the people of america and government..u guys know that Pakistani leaders are corrupt and inhuman like hell and with americans even the pakistani people are suffering infact we are in a worse condition we don't want that, we are going through hell every guy is frustrated here then we here U.S gave some aid and did some more drone attacks that killed some civilians, a bomb blast in some area killed 20 people taliban then says stop supporting U.S and no more bombs, Nato attack kills 25 pak army soldiers, black water personnel in pakistan kills 2 people, U.S forcing pakistan to increase it's budget in military and loan payments, what do u guys expect from us to love u then?? You guys know the leader is bad just change the pakistani govt and then see what happens
Ahsan, you speak so much sense! Pakistan needs more people like you – moderate, forward thinking muslims, proud of their religion and secure enough in their beliefs that they can coexist peacefully with people of all religions and wipe off the Kafir word from their dictionary. You are right , both India and Pakistan can go a long way if somehow their corrupt leaders could be replaced. Unfortunately, with too many good folks staying away from the dirty politics, its tough to find good leaders. Maybe thats what the west should be doing – funding intellectuals in both countries to fight elections and set up good governments – rather than wasting billions fighting in the Afpak mountains.
Mr Zakaria your article lacks in substance and facts and its borderline sensationalism. it might be suitable for the enquirer but not CNN. You ask why? Its because i could have come up with same article sitting in my living room. so spare us with your rhetoric. you obviously have no insight into anything thing and you base your info on what you hear in the evening news.
I travel a lot to Pakistan. From what I hear from Pakistani industrialists, mr. Zakaria is right on the money of what is going in Pakistan. If the Pakistani elite are saying the same thing, it has to have some kind of truth, right?
good article Mr. Zakari...for your first point..about nukes falling in the wrong hands ...most ppl think they already had when pak got them in first place..then pak leaked the technology to iran and other groups for cheap money...so we already have that situation on our hands...
90% of Pakistan hates us and 99.9 %of Americans cant stand Pakistan.....so whats the problem, cut off the country of hate. Let them find aid somewhere else. We dont work this hard to have our flag burnt and our people killed....let Pakistan seal there own fate. Shia Law and death, sounds like a fun place to be.....NOT
TP..a dude where did the shia law came from? correct ur facts man pakistan has a majority of sunni muslims! and btw the islamic law is called the islamic sharia and pakistan is hardly following that we have the laws that U.S follows it's just that lawlesness in pakistan seems like it's not being followed
But my American "friend", the US will kiss Pak's butt to help them not get their butts kicked by the Taliban. Afghanistan will be another Vietnam if Pak does not help the yankees. Yankee wanna go home to momma.
Hey brown boys.....you will have more suffering, war and hate than we will ever know, it was your choice hope you enjoy your sad life.
Oh yeah.....boooooolouuuloooouuuuuuloooouuuuuuuullllouuuuuuuuuuu....whatever that freaking sound is, might want to try it on your girls ass......oh wait....I hate curry Pie.
American people and the world i just want u people to know that the influence of taliban has been increasing some people like 2% of pakistani population have started liking taliban because they are anti americans, trust me guys when i was a kid i had a dream to go to the u.s and may be live there because i admire a lot of american business people and celebrities but now after 9/11 the way we pakistanis are treated by americans and the govt why would i go to a country that would not respect me!? or my people and instead creating furthermore problems..they know everything they just be naive when creating propagandas against us i don't know what the hell is going on but when theres a bomb blast u can see that CNN and BBC would just have it on headlines that a bomb blast took place in pakistan but when a pakistani navy ship saved 22 people from pirates of somalia that included just 4 pakistanis 11 egyptians, 1 sri lankan and even 6 indians it didn't come on CNN or BBC? why?! if america wants to help us truly they should find a proper way!! and trust me we don't want aid we need physical help guys! and btw people here majority! the anti americans, they hate the american govt not the people, i would say like 15 to 20% people would hate the people too the rest don't when i personally see an american or any foreigner even indian i would try my best to comfort him here in pakistan but i hate the indian govt and the american govt without doubt!
It's the people who "elect" the government so the government is a reflection of the feelings of the people.
boy i know the peole do it but u know what happened in pakistan how zardari played his politics bhai even ur a pakistani hopefully u knw how he outplayed everybody and now refuses to resign i hate zardari he is destroying my country and the world, he should be dead, and now when the people are against him and there have been protests against him why isn't he resigning, i surely don't want the current pakistani govt to represent it's people they are illetrate and have no respect for their people..i just want american and it's people to stop being against us and in reality help us out rather then just accusing us and by just giving aid and showing responsibility, we are dying we are suffering and leaders dont care
and obviously don't forget the fake and forced votes man and then the division in people..politicians use the policy of divide and rule how do u expect it to be a people's leader..still many people in the interior sindh say "ke hum benazir toh kia uska kutta bhe khara ho usko bhe vote de ga"..now what do u expect man?! is he a people's leader?
Ahsan,
I have seen lot of your comments. Very sensible. Brother, I do wish that Pakistan does well economically in the future and the poverty reduces. I just wanted to let you know that you comments were very educational and you should continue in the same tone with out instigating hatred and let others living outside of Pakistan know how real Pakistani citizens feel and think. If you do have any oppurtunities to be in US or any other country please do so since it will be an opputunity to educate one person at a time about the difficulties pakistani citizens are facing (not the government or the military leaders or corrupt politicans) but the common man. I believe that will go much further in making others understand what Pakistan is all about.
Thank you
Fareed, there is one more point you missed. The fear is that withdrawal of support for Pakistan will result in them seeking aid and assistance from China. Thus at the end, the Pakistani political structure will remain, and the only outcome is that the US will have even less influence.
Pakistan is now on right track. realizing who is enemy and who is friend. PAK CHUN woyi wan soye
Biased article from an Indian......
Pakistan is being mistreated by the US and NATO. More of their soldiers and civilians have been killed due to this so-called "War on terror" than all the casualities combined of the West. They have reasons to be angry at us. Fareed needs to write anti-Pakistan articles because he needs his job.
Fareed is just trying to save his job in CNN. He have no brain. amd his GPS lost satellite signal, needs to be turn off.
LOL!!! I have seen the program once. This guy Fareed seem to put more effort in his make up than his interview prep. I think all surface level intellectuals have to heap on make up to feel like they are being taken seriously.
I am sorry my friend. He has more brains in his pinky finger than all our madarsa educated intellectuals. He has a PhD in political science from Harvard. That's good enough for me. What do you have, my fellow monkey man?
ProudestPakistani, I wonder which country are you from? But none of that, Mr. Zakaria's father was a politician in India and here lies your answer. Most likely, he used some of his father's corrupt money, taken from my poor Indian brothers and sisters and bribed Harvard, because if you ever visit Harvard, the rich do anything they want because their parents keep Harvard running.
LOL.That WAS funny!!
Against all odds Pakistan has survived up to now and it is a nuclear power unlike India that boasts about its economy but people are still born and die on the streets of Bombay and Calcultta. Where is the so-called wealth of India when people live in such conditions. Pakistan may be poor but people still have better lives than Indians.
We refer to our WMDs as "nuclear assets". Assets for asses. Just shows how we prioritize our needs and what we value most being a third world Islamic banana republic.
I liked that comment about "Freak Zakria" and not "Fareed". Good one.
I see that you have a finely honed, eclectic sense of juvenile humor.
Farid Zakaria must be joking? I would turn this the other way around that the US is NO FRIEND OF PAKISTAN. How easily everyone forgets that Pakistan (not India who were close allies of Russia!) supported US during Soviet Afghan invasion that helped bring down the mighty USSR! For all the sacrifices Pakistan has made for the US it has been treated like crap, used and discarded like an old shoe. Meanwhile, India who started the nuclear arms race with Pakistan by exploding their nuke have been rewarded while Pakistan was punished for being a Muslim nation with a nuke! How pathetic is that? For all those Pakistan-bashing Indians who have posted hate messages I have a question for you – if you are such a peaceful people and peaceful neighbour why did you start the nuclear arms race in the sub-continent? Why did you help in the break up of East Pakistan, and why do you persecute and murder thousands of Muslims in Kashmir and Gujrat? This is all conveninently forgotten and all of India's sins are forgiven as it has mighty $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ dollars for the US while poor poor Pakistan can not offer?
i totally agree to khan! pakistan has been an american ally since 1948! and this is the respect we get! we helped them in everything we sacrificed ourselves for U.S and now just because they give us aid the govt expects us to be a slave and india that has mostly ignited fire and pakistan mostly trying to make peace..is considering them to be a peaceful nation? u gotta be kidding me!
You are perfectly right! Pakistan has been trying to "stoke" peace in Kashmir since 1989 using AK-47's and more recently Pak Govt, military and the ISI carried out a major peace initiative in Mumbai. How can the world forget this, huh?
Hey Indians Look. You must be so proud:
BBC News, Dec 2nd, 2011
India Dalit boy 'killed over high-caste man's name'
A low-caste Dalit boy has been killed in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh for sharing a name with a man of a higher caste, police say. They said Neeraj Kumar's father Ram Sumer had been asked to change the names of two sons as they were the same as those of Jawahar Chaudhary's sons.
Almost as proud as when one of your muslim brothers blow up and another mosque, if not today, then very soon.
It's funny how when US military killed 24 you hate the US, how about when the Islamists blow up a mosque, will you hate Islam?
At the rate of flag burning that is going on, maybe it would be good business to manufacture flags and export them to Pakistan.
It's better to have a wise enemy than a foolish friend. The US is the biggest of all fools.
Look ma, no hands! I can light my turban up in fire.
What has happened to all my Indian's friends. Have they gone to pray to the monkey god for some "shakti".
When it comes to childish name calling, writing about urine drinking and nonsense devoid of facts, the Pakistani system must be doing something right in their Harvard-Of-The-East Islamic infused education. Bravo.
No, they went away, disgusted with your uncivilized comments.
Americans should go back home. They are the most hated around the world and are not welcome anywhere, let alone in Pakistan, as the latest Philippines egg-throwing at Clinton attests to.
Turn over our land:
The Durand Line (Pashto: د ډیورنډ کرښه) refers to the porous international border[1] between Pakistan and Afghanistan, which has divided the ethnic Pashtuns (Afghans). This poorly marked line is approximately 2,640 kilometers (1,640 mi) long. It was established after the 1893 Durand Line Agreement between a representative of colonial British India and Afghan Amir Abdur Rahman Khan for fixing the limit of their respective spheres of influence. It is named after Henry Mortimer Durand, the Foreign Secretary of British India at the time. The single-page agreement which contains seven short articles was signed by H. M. Durand and Amir Abdur Rahman Khan, agreeing not to exercise interference beyond the frontier line between Afghanistan and what was then colonial British India (now Pakistan).[2]
A joint British-Afghan demarcation survey took place starting from 1894, covering some 800 miles of the border.[3][4] The resulting Durand Line established the "Great Game" buffer zone between British and Russian interests in the region.[5] This poorly marked border cuts through the Pashtun tribal areas, dividing ethnic Pashtuns ((Afghans)) on both sides of the border and lies in what has been described as one of the most dangerous places in the world.[6][7][8] Although shown on most maps as the western international border of Pakistan, it is unrecognized by Afghanistan.[9][10][11][12][13] Rival maps also are said to display discrepancies of as much as five kilometers.[14]
Pakistan used US dollars to shelter and protect OBL. They should be ashamed. If you want your national sovereignty recognized by your allies, dont lie and steal from them. Dont even try thr "we didnt know he was here" arguement. In my eyes, anyone who sheltered him should face the same fate.
Pakistanis are amazing,They know their country is screwed up, whole world hates them,their country is tagged as terrorist state,they blow up themselves to kill their own people,women and kids still they considered themselves as civilised.
"Azhar" would you call yourself a civilized person? Your writing surely doesnt reflect much civility.
Jeff, what part of my writing doesn't reflect civility?Have ever watched pakistan talk shows?
For one, hiding behind a muslim name "Azhar" isnt kosher if you are going to attack that community. Second, you talk of Pakistanis and entire country as they are all terrorist. Condemning an entire community for the sins of few – that isnt a enlightened person, is it? Like Fareed Zakaria, you are using words as weapon to disparage 170 million people. I dont know what is so civil about you, it surely isnt reflected in the words you have written and so I am simply calling you out as uncivilized.
Jeff, first thing, use your real name.A person with name Jeff knows lot about Pakistan?second I never said entire pakistanis are terrorist.I was referring to the current situation of Pakistan.
azhar my man seriously u should reconsider before sarcastic pakistan as civilized...seriously the only difference in india and pakistan in terms of bad conditions are that the rate of bomb blast and taliban is more in pakistan except that there's not much of a difference...u guys kill ur women and children too so please look at yourself and then comment on someone else!
In order to understand the Pakistani mindset,one has to be learn psychology. This is a nation born out of separation from India and the people have never come to terms with this event. Therefore,Pakistanis suffer from a huge inferiority complex and hence look at every event/action as a threat to its existence. Its size does not allow Pakistan to feel safe and feels threatened from all sides and therefore has made destabilization of the neighbourhood as a way to survive. The US is seen to be the biggest threat to its survival because the Military is genuinely worried that their ways will have to end,should the US use its strength in Afghanistan to sort out the mess. The Military in pakistan has made sure that Civilian Governments can never become credible and thereby, the People will support the Military. It is time that the US called a spade, a spade!
It is too bad. Pakastan has poisoned their relationship with India over Kashmir. They have done the same with Afghanstan through Imperial-type interference. They betray the US as a badge of honor. That leaves them Iran–bad company–and China–which has Imperial ambitions throughout Asia. If Pakastan is surrounded by enemies, well, in large part, they are the cause of that.
Agree with Karur fully. Pakistanis are paranoid about their survival, but do not have the same sense of purpose as Israel. This is because Pakistan has no legitimate reason to exist. There are more Muslims in India,from which pakistan was carved out for religious reasons. pakistan's North is full of Pashtuns, who have more in common with the Afganis. Therefore, the Military wants to control a nation concept that is not viable
Look at Fareed's picture on the top of this page, looks like he is constipated !!!!! – he is a joke.
......I think everyone's pretty much screwed. Stop killing each other over silly, selfish crap, then maybe the world will start to heal. All I've read so far is hate-based. We're putting ourselves in this situation.
Let China deal with Pakastan. Our long term interests lie with India. Workwith Russia to encourage stability in Afghanastan. We have been effectively funding the Taliban war against our own troops by funding Pakastan's military. Let's cut our ties and let them go into the medieval abyss they seem intent on throwing themselves into.
Gary, Russia has just announced that it will close any Nato routes to Afghanistan, if America doesn't remove it's missile that are pointed at Russia. As for India, India has never been a friend of America, not during the Cold War and it never will be. Learn your history then make a smart comment. Also a wise man once said, "No one can conquer Afghanistan."
Back off Farid and scoot. Nobody invited ya'll to Pakistan so the party is over. Go take your show somewhere else.
Are you 2 generation Paki with an American passport still owing allegiance to Pakistan?
I think that muslims, christians and jews should probably all stop the bickering since they are all children of the SAME god. The SAME god who preaches peace and love across the board and would be ashamed of what his children have done with his legacy.
Its obvious that the middle east is the problematic section of the world. muslim culture is based on stupid lies. you treat your women like crap and live life like animals. come to the western world and be enlightened. you wont have to worry about your leaders killing innocent people or your government collapsing either.
DEEEESSTROOOY PAKISTAN!
I wish for thanks giving we could shoot Pakistanis instead of turkeys.
IRAN IS EVIL THATS ALL WHAT THIS ARTICLE IS SAYING INCLUDING HIZBOALLAH AND SYRIA AND THE SHIIA EVERY WHERE
مرَّت – إلى لحظةِ كتابةِ هذه السُّطور-أكثرُ من ثماني سنين والشيعةُ يحكمون بلدي (العراق) مكافأةً لهم من المحتَّل على دورهم الخياني المعهود في تذليل العقبات أمامَ جيوشِ المُحتَّل الجرَّارة.
لقد تحقق للشيعة ما كانُوا يصبون إليه وترنو نحوه عيونُهم وأفئدتهم ليل نهار، وهو اعتلاء سُّدةِ الحكمِ الذي كانوا ومنذُ اليومِ الأوَّل لنشأة دينهم يُمنُّونَ نفوسَهم في الوصول إليه سواءً بالثورات أو زعزعة الأمن واستقرار البلد أو التعاون مع العدوِّ الخارجي وصيرورتهم بطانة له.
- الشيعي والعقيدة الاقصائية:
على الرغم مِن أنَّ الدُّولَ التي تبّوأ الشيعة فيها سُّدةَ الحكم معدودة على عدد أصابع اليد الواحدة وعلى فترات زمنية متباعدة نسبياً، إلاَّ أنَّ ثمَّة توصيفاً جامعاً لتلك الدُّول، وهو الفشل الذريع في إدارة الدولة وتحقيق أدنى متطلبات الحكم. والسبب في ذلك أنَّهم كانوا وما زالوا مسكونين بعقيدة اقصائية لا مكانَ للآخر فيها معهم، ولا يُمكِنُ للآخر – السُّني خصوصاً – أن يتعايش مع الشخصية الشيعة لأنَّها شخصيةٌ تحتكِمُ إلى حساباتها الخاصّة بها وعلى رأسها طائفته التي تُّعدُّ أكبرَ من أيِّ عنوانٍ آخر؛ فالشيعي هو ابن طائفته، ويحنُّ لِمن يحكم باسمها، وهذا أمرٌ أصبح مشاهداً وملموساً وواضحاً لكلِّ ذي بصر وبصيرة سواء في العراق أو البحرين أو لبنان أو الكويت أو سوريا أو غيرها. فكل شيعي في هذه الأماكن كان ولا يزال ابن طائفته الذي يحرص على تحقيق أكبر المكاسب لها، ولو على حساب وطنه ومواطنيه .
من هنا نصل إلى أنَّه لن ينفع في حكم العراق أو أيِّ بلد آخر سوى أهلِّ السُّنة لأنّهم يمتلكون من الأفق وسعة الصدر والمكان الرحب ما يجعلهم يحتوون كل الطوائف والمذاهب؛ فليس لديهم عقدة تجاه الآخر، كما أنَّه ليس لديهم عقيدة إقصائية موجهة تجاه أحد من البشر؛ بل الكُلُّ في الدولة السُّنية له مكانه حسب اجتهاده ، وحرصه على وحدة و كيان الدولة ، وأمن مواطنيها ، وهذا كلُّه بخلاف الشيعة الذين طفحت تصانيفهم ومؤلفاتهم في التأكيد على الفصل بين الشيعي والآخر السُّني من خلال عقد المباحث الطويلة في تحقيق معنى "الناصب" وانطباقه على أهلِّ السُّنة، وبيان أحكام هذا الناصبي عقيدة وفقها بصورة لا تُبقي بعدها أيَّ أثرٍ من آثار الانسجام بين أبناءِ البلدِ الواحد. فالسُّنيُ نَجِسٌ تُستَحلُّ غيبتُه وتُستّحلُّ أموالُه ودمُه، وهو كافرٌ كُفراً أغلظ من كفر اليهودي والنصراني، مع ضرورةِ مخالفتِه وعدمِ الالتقاءِ معه تحتَ أيِّ عنوانٍ ولو في الإله أو النبّي – كما صرَّح بذلك أكابرُ مجرميهم كالجزائري والمفيد والطوسي.
- الشيعي وثقافة القطيع :
الشيعي يتحرك ضمن ثقافة القطيع، فهو لا ينفك عن ثقافته التي رُّبيَ عليها منذ نعومة أظفاره، ولا يختلف في هذا الأمر العامي الجاهل أو المثقف المتعلم سياسياً كان أم طبيباً أم مهندساً أم غيرَ ذلك؛ فالجميع محكومون بقول المرجع الذي يُحرِّكُهُم كما يُحرِّكُ الراعي غنَمَه، والمراجعُ هي الأخرى تُحَرَّكُ كأحجارٍ على رقعة شطرنج من قبل الدولة التي تحكم باسم الطائفة مُمثَّلةً اليوم بإيران.
- شيعة السلطة وسلسلة الإخفاقات:
لقد عجزَ شيعة السلطة في العراق وبعد كلِّ هذه السنوات العجاف، وبعد الإمكانيات الهائلة المتوافرة في هذا البلد أن يوجدوا استقراراً ولو نسبياً، وأن يصلوا بالعراق الذي هو من أغنى دول المنطقة والعالم إلى درجة الاكتفاء الذاتي فضلاً عن أن يحققوا له الرفاهية، مع أنَّ المحتل قد سخّر كل إمكانياته، وجعلها تحت تصرفهم، وفتح لهم أبواب الدول جميعاً لاستقبالهم والاحتفاء بهم، ومع ذلك فإنَّ العراق اليوم بفضل الحكومة الشيعية من أسوء البلدان في كل المجالات: الأمن والاقتصاد والصحة والتعليم والخدمات والتنمية.
لقد باتَ أكثرُ العراقيين اليوم بحاجةٍ إلى كيانٍ يحفظُ لهم كرامتَهم المستباحة مِن قبلِ إيران وأذنابِها، ويحفظُ أموالَهم وأعراضَهم ودماءَهم المنتهكةَ وتحت أيِّ مسمىً كان سواءً الأقاليم أو الفدرالية أو الكونفدرالية أو أي عنوانٍ آخر، والسبب نكرره ونقول هو حكمُ الشيعةِ للبلاد، وعلى من أراد أن يتأكد من حقيقة هذا الأمر فليس عليه سوى أن يُقلِّبَ صفحاتِ التاريخ ليجد هذه الحقيقة ماثلةً أمامه كالشمس في رائعة النهار.
- التاريخ الأسود للدول الشيعية :
لو استعرضنا لقطات تاريخية سريعة كأمثلة، سنجد أن الدولة البويهية لما تسلَّطت على مقاليد الخلافة العباسية استعرت الفتن بين طرفي بغداد، وتأججت الفتن الطائفية والاحتراب المذهبي. وعندما تسلطت الدولة الفاطمية سامت أهلَّ السُّنة سوءَ العذاب، ووصل اضطهادهم لأهل السنة إلى درجة أنه من وجد في دار أحدهم موطأ الإمام مالك، فانَّه يعاقب بمصادرة داره وتشريد أهله والزج به في السجن هو وأولاده. أما الدولة الصفوية فحدث ولا حرج، فقد مارست بحق أهل السنة في إيران أبشع صنوف التنكيل الذي كانت نتيجته تحويلهم إلى الدين الرافضي قسرا. ولننظر إلى الحكومة الإيرانية في ظل الثورة اللاأسلامية، وكيف أنها أسَّست القوانين الدستورية لإلغاء الآخر – السني على وجه التحديد.
- الخلاصة :
إذا أردنا استقرار بلداننا، وأن ينعم أهلونا بدفء الوطن وحرارة المواطنة فلابُّد أن نعي حقيقة واحدة – بدون تزويق ألفاظ أو تجميل عبارات – وهي أن الشيعي لا يصلح لحكم نفسه فضلاً عن حكم الآخرين. ومن أجل ذلك نقول للشيعي قبل السُّني: إن كنتَ تريد العيش مرفهاً، مرتاحَ البالِ، آمناً في سربك، معافىً في بدنك، عندك قوتُ يومِك... فما عليك سوى الانضواء تحت حكم سُّني رشيد لا تحت حكم شيعي غير سديد.
The problem with Fareed is his Indian bias and the background. He is not a fair writer and blaming Pakistan for all the wrongs of the US policy is his way of saying..I am an American now. Given his Indian background and pro-India stance, it's like asking a russian commentator to provide unbiased opinion of US defence policy at the height of the cold war. Fareed cannot be trusted with his views.
You are an American now according to your own words. Which also means that you used to be from somewhere else. Perhaps from the Shangri-La called Pakistan? Or from somewhere else, does not matter. What matters is that based on your own logic, nobody should trust any of your views either.
Good one!
I dont know where you get your information from. Pakistan or Pakistanis are not anti- American. They have nothing agaisnt US. They have lost may lives and infrastructure becasue of the war in Afganistan. The resentment is becasue of these losses. Mr. Zakaria has an agenda from somewhere. He is making use of his position to show his animosity towards Pakistan. It is really a shame becaseu his father and mother were not as much anti-Muslim as he is.
So Mr Zakaria, you don't have balls so to say what US has done was dangerouos and wrong by attacking and killing Pakistani troops. You have got a new task to Brain wash that Pakistan has done nothing to Prevent War on terror. You are a total failure on the Foriegn policy issues. You want to people think your way! WHY?
I don't think there is anyone more anti-Pakistan than fareed himself.
Beig an indian he does not leave any chance to make stupid baseless statements.
I wonder how does CNN allows this? Isn't there unbiased reporting anymore? What happened to true journalism?
Why doesn't he get fair and talk about the USA who is behind all the wars in the world and all the current problems in the world are feuled by USA.
With friends like pakistan, who needs enemies...
An Indian Hindu hiding behind China.
Would calling someone a 'Pakistani' equal to cussing him?
Who cares about those arabs commenters who write in arabic which how stupid to say something no one understands what's the point of typing something up even if it's veiled threats it's pointless unless your opponents speak the language. And if something bad the FBI is listening and can track you down (anonymizer or not). What America needs to do is get out of Afghanisatan and Pakisatan as quickly as possible. And no, that's not a misprint. Their names should be reflective of their true god–the devil.
Pakistan a country with numerous resources but with leaders with IQ level of 5th graders.
Here is short summary of what Pakistan did for USA.
1) Choose US over Russia as Ally since the creation of Pakistan.
2) Pakistan Join CENTO (Alliance again Russia), just to please USA
3) Pakistan did not took part directly in Arab-Israel wars, again just to please USA
4) Pakistan lost half of the country (Pakistan was at fault) and did not get any direct military support from USA and at they end they had to raise white flag and accept defeat.
5) In 1980’s after Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan Pakistan was brainwashed by USA that Russia is going to invade there land, USA provided full military and some what financial support to Pakistan to train Mujahidin’s against Red Army in Afghanistan, at the end Red Army left and its economy collapsed, USSR was also broken into several countries, it is not wrong to say that former soviet Union was defeated by Mujahidin’s and the won the war for USA.
6) Pakistan is home to millions of Afghan refugees due to ongoing wars in Afghanistan in which USA is directly or in directly involved. Afghan refuges also brought drugs and weapons which resulted in thousand’s of death in Pakistan.
7) After 9/11 Pakistan shook hands with USA again to eliminate al-Qaida and Taleban from Afghanistan, the outcome of this is 30,000 thousand deaths in Pakistan and loss of 60 billon $.
The conclusion is ‘Might is Right’, poor (finically and mentally) will always suffer and the Might will always take full benefit of poor.
What I like about the picture is that, at least they took effort to make a Nice Flag of USA
God bless America and Pakistan..
I am from neither of those countries, but I hope they stop fighting....
War cannot bring peace!!!
Ever since I was a kid in college, I have hearing Pakistanis and middle easterners called USA the great satan. It's a cultural thing for these people to hate America. Thats why their countrties are in great difficulties, because the citizens are unable to see reality as it should be. And not realise their leaders are the real satans.
It is difficult to find a journalist on the planet who is more anti-Pakistan than Fareed Zakaria!!!
I am certain that the Pakistani polls on America doesn't reflect the true feeling of Pakistani for America. In fact if these polls were for the ruling Government it would come out to be 95% against the Government but you shouldn't be surprised if the same people reelect this Government the fourth time in next year.
Fareed, you truly show your true Indian Color. You don't miss a single chance where you don't find any reason to criticise Pakistan. My friend marrying a white person doesn't make you white!
Well what can he do he has hindu blood and a jewish wife to please.
Typical Pakistani argument starts with bias and ends up being hatred. The progression is evident in just two posts here.
Most Pakistanis have Hindu blood, whether they like it or not....what do you think your ancestors were? Scientologists? I know you like to pretend that you have Arab roots...ha...ha...ha.
True Fareed !!! you are right its hard to find a country more anti-american than Pakistan. Would you mind telling your audience any other country who lost 35,000 civilians, 9000 soldiers and over 20,000 soldiers injured and still as a front line state fighting side by side. Understood you need to keep your job and move up the ladder but please show some professionalism?????
Right. Mr. Fareed need more broader vision of political issues around that region. He needs to open both eyes.
Please Sir have some time on this link from Pakistan's future leader about "Friends without benefits" Thanks
https://www.facebook.com/ImranKhan.Official/posts/192027320884383
As I can see that there is so many stupid comments about Pakistan, about Muslim war about Muslim are terrorists... common to all u Americans... let me remind you what u have done in past with Iraq with afghan and in WWII ... how can you forget this all so easily ... and 1 thing this war is not our war this is not Pakistan war..This is US war firstly CIA made Al-qida Taliban and all this terrorist groups in afghan they train & equipped them to fight with Russia... They have created all these funking groups to make this world hell... This is all your country made kind... so bear it...And stop blaming to Pakistan... Why you Americans don’t accept your mistakes... You have lost the war in Afghanistan...as simple as u can read this... Americans are looser ... when they start losing they start creating problems... NO OFFENCE... this is fact...
And if you’re talking abt ur 20 billion aid dam ur aid... Coz v have lost 90 billion in ur war ... how can u forget the civilians getting killed in ur drones attack... WE ARE NOT ANTI AMERICANS...WE LOVE PEACE AND WE WANT PEACE...
You Americans live in a peace full modern environmentally green and co lour full societies...
Let us make our country peace full systematic modern and environmentally green and colour full Pakistan...
GOD BLESS YOUR AMERICA, AND TO ALL U AMERICANS.... AND TO ALL UR FOOLISH AND RACIST Politicians
PEACE....
Pakistan was never a friend of U.S even when Soviets occupied Afghanistan. They were friendly because getting rid of Soviets was in their national interest
U.S created the monster to fight Soviets by aiding extremist islamic forces in the region and now that monster is out of control.
The real blame goes to the British who created country like Pakistan on the basis of religion and ignored all the warnings that any country that is created on the basis of hatred can never live peacefully with those with different ideology.
It is time for U.S to rethink its policy of aiding the countries like Pakistan without understanding the cultural differences and core values of such countries.
I do not believe that U.S /U.K or NATO for that matter can fix the problem they created.
Pakistan needs a strong and non-violent leader that can eradicate extremists from that country. However looking at the military culture that they have it looks impossible.
dnt u woory so much abt pakistan and its military...woory abt ur India and ur poor people ... u poor chandraa lol ...
get a life chandoo BABA... hahah
Mullah Atif, Go to your Madrasa and tell your boys not to mess with rest of the world.
I am not worried about India or U.S because they are not in any mortal danger.
Pakistan is very unlikely to survive if it continues on this path.
You will surely self destruct like suicide bomber and then rest of the wold will have to pick up the pieces and move on
First he seems to recommend cutting support to Pakistan so the military can take over again. Then he acknowledges that the military gets a large percentage of its budget from the US. Maybe he is saying we should cut support until the military takes over, then resume the support??? Obviously, he has been in front of the camera too long. Thanks again, CNN, where legitimate journalists go to retire
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Pakistanis in home and abroad have been caught in terror plots ( TIME SQUARE TERROR PLOT, MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACKS had involvement of American living or Canada living Pakistanis ) BE ASHAMED NOW
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad ( A Pakistani ) pitched ideas to BIN LADEN TO attack US by flying planes into buildings, BIN LADEN APPROVED THE IDEA
SO A PAKISTANI MASTERMIND WAS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SEPT 11, 2001
Pakistan has TAKEN 20 BILLION DOLLARS and yet it sheltered Bin laden for 5 years and allowed Haqqanis so that American soldiers get killed and get sent in body bags – THUS PAKISTAN HAS EARNED THE HATE from civilized world
Pakistani civilian deaths are due to the Taliban that Pakistan created and the strategy backfired, PAKISTANI ARMY AND ISI ARE RESPONSIBLE
STOP BLAMING INDIA AND ISRAEL AND EVEN AMERICA
YOU WANTED AMERICAN MONEY, YOU BROUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF CREATING TALIBAN IN THE 1980'S
YOUR SELFISH INTEREST IN HARMING INDIA BY BEING A US MERCENARY SEVERELY BACKFIRED AND STILL, WORSE STILL YOUR NATION SUPPORTS AND HARBORS TERRORIST GROUPS
Pakistan is solely responsible FOR NOT BEING LOVED.
Fareed: We all know you're of Indian origin. Please stop using your platform to spread hatred against Pakistan. Pakistan has paid a higher price than any other nation in the world against the so called war on terror. We all know India was a russian ally during cold war and Pakistan has always stood by the US.
Leofact, your facts are all messed up
Pakistan never stood by U.S. They fought Soviets only because they were afraid of Soviet takeover of Pakistan after Afghanistan.
Pakistan is paying the price for their own mistakes. Pakistan created Taliban and is still supporting it.
Where is Mullah Omar ? Everyone knows Quetta Shura is hiding in Pakistan.
If Pakistan wants they can stop all the bloodshed by giving up Taliban leaders but they won't do it.
Fareed is as much American as any other news anchor on CNN.
Chandra, actually you facts are messed up. Pakistan created the mujhadeen with the help and funding of America. Pakistan has been USA's ally since it became independent. Pakistan was never in fear of USSR takeover of Pakistan but those were the intentions of India as it was the only reason it support USSR. America invited the leaders of mujhadeen to the White House and calling them their best allies. These are the facts.
Why do you conveniently forget that that Saudis also pumped in money to build the Taliban ? Why don't you mention that Saudi's set up madrasas to preach extremist wahabi ideology ?
Blaming the non-Islamic countries alone will give you the additional platform to claim it's a global war against Islam. Is that why?
Dear Friends, As far as I understand the people of Pakistan; they are not against US at all. They are peace loving people except few extremist and those few are being supported by other countries to destabilize Pakistan. I can bet on that. If two things can be changed I'm sure that will help improve the situation. A – US Foreign Policies B – Biased Media.
No country on this globe would tolerate intrusion to its internal matters; same is the case with Pakistan.
I hope thing improve and we start respecting and loving each other. Negative comments on such sites is no help at all but the opposite.
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MMNH, I preached that same stance for 3 years but everywhere I went, I saw hatred. People in Pakistan are hating America while people in America are hating people in Pakistan.
Who would I believe? Fareed Zakaria – someone who has a PhD from Harvard in political science and is a Muslim himself or the bunch of semi-literate Pakistani buffoons posting here? Hmmm....let me guess, that's a tough one..(NOT)....option #1 perhaps?
That he is of Indian origin means diddly squat to me. On the other hand, what he said about Pakistan made total sense.
This dog and pony show is a renegotiation tactic. An average Pakistani lives below a dollar a day and could care less about coming out on the streets. This is American tax money at its best.. Pakistani political parties that get funded by the USAid money gather these people and make some noise.. so the US can throw more money at them for education and grow positive influence. How about we start using NO US TAX money diplomacy with Pakistan for once.
Pakistan has us by the 'marbles'. They know we won't cut off funding to a nuclear country. We believe it is in our best interest for them to have a stable government.
I am just not informed enough to say whether I agree or not for certain. With rumors of Pakistani nuclear weapons technology sold, what appears to be either gross incompetence or actually secretly supporting terrorists...it may be that the very thing we are tying to prevent, we are actually helping to fund.
The only thing I can say our monetary support has maybe done is that it has stopped what could have been a devastating nuclear war with India. We bribe them every year to put on the back burner how much they hate them.
If Pakistan wanted to make a real protest, they would burn our dollar instead of our flag.
Sure we already have done that with stooping your NATO supplies... dnt you worry and tell ur US govt we dnt want ur AID..
Good Job Fareed, u r trying to tell both US and India how loyal you are to both countries, by making Pakistan notorious in the whole world. We are paying a huge price of someone else's war. You may call yourself an expert but you have no idea what we have gone through this past decade (due to US war). Its easy for you to count the paid and unpaid US $$$ (most of which is paid to the US supported Generals not civil government) but its hard for you to count those innocent lives that are lost due to every day bombing for one decade in Pakistan. You are answerable to God , please have the courage to tell the truth....
Mr. Bushra, truth is what most people can't handle, because if truth leaks out America will engulf its self. I just recently read an article, with shows most Americans and senators think "America is expection" in everything it does. I want to ask why? Because she can kill innocents and get away with it. American media is controlled by the Israelis, hell almost everything in America is Israel's. Even in Pakistan, the Jang group a.k.a Geo Tv is controlled by America, they get paid for promoting pro-Americanism and in return they get scholarships to America, and enjoy luxurious parties. When I brought this issue with the Jang group, they kicked me out of their office. So what I was saying, truth is very hard to handle.
Generalities are always wrong. ... See? THAT generality was wrong. The US isn't Israeli run. There's plenty of anti semitism here. The US isn't perfect by a long shot, but it isn't THE cause of all ills in the world. (a generalization and wrong) As long as people as individuals or nations can vent all their frustrations, anger and pain on a perceived Bad Guy, they can be united in hate or rage..neither of which solve anything. The best defense against destruction is treating people fairly..all people, which includes treating americans as you would want to be treated, and americans treating Pakistanis and Pakistan the way we would want to be treated. The further off center from that the worse the situations get. Power mongers are not exclusive to the United States. Pakistan, India, and any other country on earth has these same human parasites and the vast majority of people the earth over just want to be able to live their lives, raise their families and have a degree of safety. Human Predators, as individuals and as hunting packs, either rule in whatever country they live, or control us via financial control via things like the banking industries and major corporations, or creep around in every society, hidden from sight until they strike. The human predators are not the majority of any population and it would be nice if we all could understand that the people of another country aren't out to get us..and though we can realize the controlling force in a country may have malignant intent, the people generally don't. And most who do have been brainwashed by those who are malignant. Most people are basically good people. Not perfect but decent and it is lazy to tar everyone with the same brush
Jeanie,
Yours is a great effort to take the debate to a higher level. I must appreciate your ability to explore multiple perspectives to a truth.
Bushra,
What can anyone say about you? Let me tell you the truth. YOUR truth can't be handled by people because it's full of hogwash conspiracy theories. It's not because the world can't handle the truth. In fact, unlike a typical Pakistani(YOU), the rest of the world actively seeks truth. Reason people don't like YOUR truth is because it's full of hogwash conspiracy theories. Try still, you may one day understand the rest of the world.
Peace.
PAKISTANIS intelligence ISI COPIES TERRORISM FROM EVERYWHERE
PAKISTANIS intelligence ISI COPIES SUICIDE BOMBINGS FROM IRAN
KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMAD – PAKISTANI WHO MASTERMINDED SEPT 2011 BY GIVING IDEA TO PLY PLANES INTO BUILDINGS
FAIZAL SHAZAD – PAKISTANI WHO PLANED TIME SQUARE BOMB PLOT
LONDON BOMBERS WERE OR PAKISTANI ORIGIN
AJMAL KASAB WAS THE PAKISTANI GUNMAN OF MUMBAI ATTACK
DAWOOD GILANI ( HEADLEY) – A PAKISTANI PLANNED MUMBAI ATTACK
TAWAHUR RANA – A PAKISTANI PLANNED THE MUMBAI ATTACK
PAKISTANI – TERRORISTS OR TERROR SYMPATHIZERS...
MUSLIM PAKI ARMY killed 3 million bengali muslims during the 1971 war ..IT IS CALLED BENGALI GENOCIDE
Amnesty International is calling for an impartial investigation into mass graves found in BALOCHISTAN ( ILLEGALLY CONTROLLED BY PAKISTAN)
10000 BALOHI MEN AND CHILDREN HAVE DISAPPEARED IN THE LAST DECADE, ISI IS BLAMED FOR KILLING THEM BY AMNESTY REPORT
PAKISTAN AND MOST OF ITS MUSLIMS ARE TERROR BREEDERS
INDIA HAS A SIKH PRIME MINISTER , DOES PAKISTAN HAVE A HINDU PM
AS PER LAW IN PAKISTAN HAVE A HINDU PM, NO...BECAUSE IT AN ISLAMIST THEOCRACY
AS ONLY GOATIES LIKE U WANNA DOMINATE,...PAKISTANI MUSLIM HYPOCRISY AT ITS PINNACLE
WHAT S A SHAME ON YOU
WHEN TERRORISM IS THE TOPIC , PAKISTAN IS BACK
WE KNOW PAKIS ARE INVOLVED IN Mumbai attack, Sept 11 and Time square plot
What do you mean friends without benefits ? They screw the US every chance they get. I think that's a really big benefit. FOR THEM
Next time try using som KY or something. It's beginning to hurt.
yah !! US is giving aids to pakistan. what kind of aids, all out of dated guns and expertisees and CIA covert agent
who are tracking PAKITAN NUCLEAR BOMB. And as Fareed Zakaria,in reply to Khane Gee I would like add a one thing
He got married WHITE JEWISH GIRL. Amen.
I totally agree with Farid, It is time to stop helping and be really up front with Pakistan, they should be kissing our A.........S with all these aids they receive from US, but no they turn around and burn our flag and show how much they hate us. I promise you no matter how much we do for these radical Muslims, they turn around and stab you in the back.We are the infidel to them no matter what. According to their faith the infidels must be killed.God bless America.
He cant even spell the province in Canada in which he lives
Personally, Im sick of all this talk about, who did what and what not. Nobody is innocent from any angle except civilians caught inbetween. Maybe cause I woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, but Im thinking, just do it, you lieing spin doctors, just do it, start the last war ever than man shall fight and we will let kARMA sort it all out. Bunch of frkn stupid children running this planet.
Please go meditate over this. You could turn out to be the great yogi sent to save the planet.
On this topic Irfan Husain's article http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/03/doomed-but-not-divorced.html in Dawn is more balanced . Two nations cannot befriends unless there is some convergence of values. Any one can see from the discussions, the type of thinking even the educated Pakistani readers have. There is no meaningful discussion using facts. Instead of giving aid, USA should consider paying pakistan for each transaction. For example the Pakistan airbase could have been taken on lease with penalty clause for breaking the lease.
Better to have a wise enemy than a foolish friend....
Pakistan should hold themselves responsible for providing moral and material support to terrorists for decades. And then claiming its inability to control terrorist elements within its borders.
Guys, it time now to speak the truth...
I am pretty certain that the Unites States policies specially after 911 are the key elements in creating radicalism. It is more visible in Pakistan than else where due to their force inclusion in so-called "war on terror" waged against the will of those people and with the help of their puppett president Musharraf. Act of so called terrorism is a direct By product of this injustice...Shame on BUSH and his team.
What?! You must have skipped the cause and effect class in grade school. Radicalism is what brought about 9/11. Really don't want to call you names, but some of the unfortunate Bush policies are as result of 9/11 which is a result of growing radicalism among fundamental religious zealots. Some countries, like Pakistan became fertile ground for radicalism to grow. The Pakistani Army and ISI either closed a blind eye or encouraged it's growth because at that time, the intended target of their terrorists was India. Pakistan continues to play with fire. and it is slowly burning them up from the inside.
An impressive / truthful account of the reason of anti-Americanism in Pakistan.
I am not taking sides but when America was attacked on 09/11 they never heard anyone – They never asked for any opinions – They never sat back and investigated what actually happened and why.... SO now apply the same in this situation. Pakistan's sovereignty has been violated by NATO strikes, their two dozen soldiers were killed – PAKSITAN WAS ATTACKED BY NATO.
So If America was right to demolish whoever attacked their country – what's wrong if Pakistan is doing the same footsteps. What's so wrong in this? After all they (Pakistanis) learnt this from their best friend i.e. “USA”.
Mr. Fareed Zakaria, if you peer into history, Pakistan has survived without aid from the USA before also. They survived during the time they were building nuclear weapons, and with numerous sanctions, survived for years while almost every nation was positive Pakistan was going to collapse. The thing you don't know about the people of Pakistan is that they will sacrifice their lives for their nation and their army. You mention the $20 billion in aid to Pakistan, but you don't mention the $70 billion lost to Pakistan's economy because of the war on terror. Pakistan's stock market is still one of the best in Asia while everything that is going on in Pakistan. The rage of the Pakistani people builds up because of what the "democratic" govt of Pakistan is letting the USA do in the country. I have enough respect for you but writing only one side of the story is a bit false and harsh.
If you peek into your recent past, Pakistan has continued to be a pain in the ass.
Oh, lots of countries aside from Pakistan also hate the US. And by the way, it's also difficult to find a country that's more anti-Pakistan than America. And it is precisely this wrong-headed belief of American exceptionalism, the absurd notion that American lives are in any way more precious than any other life that fuels this anti-American sentiment in much of the world. No other country in the world would have the audacity to violate a country's sovereignty, kill 24 of its soldiers, and then complain about lack of cooperation. The nerve!
It's difficult to find a media more anti-Pakistan than CNN with Zakaria. BTW Mir Jafar was also from India.
What would America do if:
1. You were not a supper power and you had to fight two x 10 years war with or against supper powers in last 30 years.
2. You were drwan into a war because you were next to a triable land where your previous war heros reside. these are the hearos that were created by CIA but now they turned against you.
3. You get involved in a war and loose over $100 billion dollars in economy and loose 35000 people including over 5000 solders.
4. Everyday you master tells you that you are no doing enough and you make more sacrifies but one dat you are freind and next day you are enemy.
5. To top everything now you have a corrupt government that only cares about their pocket and being a Rent-A-Cop.
6. 90% of your population wants nothing with this war or anything with AL Qaida's vision to blow up. But when more people get killed, more poor people get brain washed to fight against establishment for supporting the war.
At the end, war has no winner. Undoing this mess will take a long time but the start has to be the end of war and US leaving the region.
And Pakistan chose to Islamize their society at all stages starting with school education. You chose to build an army of terrorists and push them to acquire strategic depth in India and Afghanistan.
See what happens now? Afghanistan never had much hope. Pakistan and India had the potential.
While Pakistan was busy shooting it's foot, India persevered and took the train to progress and democracy.
Now that you see they are doing better, you can't tolerate their economy either. So, you create bands of terrorist groups to hit Mumbai, their financial capital and New Delhi, their political capital.
In the meantime, you see Afghanistan is getting better and is now educated about making choices. They choose to align with a growing India as opposed to the snake breeding Pakistan. So, your plans change and you want to kill Americans in Afghanistan and spoil their plans to establish peace and progress in that country.
The warning to the US is clear – Either be prepared to fight a long guerilla battle send back many coffins home a la Vietnam OR lose your face and leave a failure.
One trend is clear – Pakistan always played truant and is never trustworthy. You continue to be an unsettled country that never introspected. Now China is a part of your latest hallucinations, I can only wish you good luck with that.
It's time to play hardball with these Pakistani's. They don't understand anything but a slap in the face!
i'm a 2nd gen american from pakistan. i am the 12%
Mr. Zakria you are trying so hard to be more American than the natural born Americans; and that by madmouthing Pakistan. I see a lot of similarities between you and that Ijaz fellow. With the best of intents you will always of licking boots of a master somewhere. You have painted Pakistan in a bad light. if Pakistan was AMerican enemy Ayub Khan would not have volunteered his best battalion during Korean war. Pakistan would not has stood next to US during the cold war. Pakistan would not have sided with US against USSR in 1980's. Pakistan would not have worked on rapproachment between China and US. BIG SHAME ON YOU SIR.
and convenient selection of facts to paint a biased picture. It has been tried before.
Zakria the toady
Hi Zakira, I just wanted to inform you that the reason that Pakistan's military has been able to maintain so much power since Pakistan's independence is precisely US aid and partnership with the country beginning with the cold war.
Here are some good academic journal articles to read about the topic:
Jalal, Ayesha. 1990. The State of Martial Rule: The Political Economy of Defence in Pakistan. P 49-56, 125-128. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Siddiqa, Ayesha. 2007. “Introduction” to Military Inc: Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy. Karachi: Oxford University Press.
Also, A Case of Exploding Mangos is really good.
Why you are westing your time? He can't read. He just take dictation from RAW and CIA.
A typical paki who can't tolerate things he doesn't like.
Pakistan has seen its worst already in this suicide blast which affected pakistan not USA the militants were behind Pakistan not USA for last 3 years. The thing about support from US we dont need it now nor did we want it before it just just a bad governance.USA has failed in Afghanistan and they cant control it and Obama has to leave Afghanistan anyhow before elections which he is failing miserably.US people are most innocent ppl in the world because til today after 9-11 They can figure out who did it their FBI or OSAMA.
Killing soilders and innoncent ppl of Pakistan will only bring hatred in Pakistan. I also use to think USA is our Ally but they have different comments everywhere even when they go to INDIA.I will Salute USA and accept it as world leader when it solves issue of Palestine and Kashmir. Instead of stealing OILS and Killing Innocent children and womens.
بعد احتلال العراق في التاسع من نيسان عام 2003 كشفت احداث ما بعد الاحتلال حجم الماكنه الايرانيه التي حصدت عشرات الالاف من ارواح العراقيين عندما دخلت عناصر المجلس الاعلى ومنظمة بدر بعد التاسع من نيسان وسيطرت على كل مؤسسات الدوله ومعها دخلت مجاميع المخابرات الايرانيه المتمثله بقوة القدس واوجدت لها مخالب في اغلب محافظات العراق واشرفت قوة القدس على تصفية ضباط الجيش العراقي والطياريين والاجهزه الامنيه والكوادر البعثيه ...
واستطاعت ايران من خلال احزابها المجلس الاعلى والدعوه والفضيله ان تؤسس لعمل تخريبي واسع في العراق من خلال 500 شركه ومؤسسه كواجهات استخباريه يشرف عليها الجنرال" قاسم سليماني" وتتوزع هذه الواجهات في كل المحافظات حصة بغداد وحدها 50 واجهه مدعومه بملايين الدولارات وتعتبر "مؤسسة شهيد المحراب" التابعه للمجلس الاعلى من اهم المؤسسات الاستخباريه والقتاليه ويديرها عمار الحكيم وما مرصود لها من الاموال شهريا يتراوح من ( 15 – 20 ) مليون دولار شهريا ويصرف هذا المبلغ على شكل دفعات بلغت ذروتها في عمليات الاباده الجماعيه التي قامت بها مليشيات بدر وجيش المهدي عام 2006 -2007 وباشراف مباشر من قبل ابو مهدي المهندس ( نائب ) في البرلمان العراقي والمساعد الاول للجنرال " قاسم سليماني" ..
المعلومات //
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وردتنا معلومات عن حلقات المخطط الايراني للسيطره على العراق ما قبل وما بعد الانسحاب الامريكي من العراق والمخطط ذو شقين :
الاول / القيام بحمله واسعه من الاعتقالات تشمل البعثيين وقيادتهم وضباط الجيش السابقين والاجهزه الامنيه السابقه وفي جميع المحافظات والتركيز على محافظات ( الانبار \ صلاح الدين \ نينوى \ ديالى ) وصدرت التوجيهات الايرانيه الى رئيس وزراء حكومة الاحتلال نوري المالكي لتنفيذها فورا تحت سنياريو ايراني مرسوم عنوانه ( معلومات عن عملية انقلاب يقوم بها البعثيون وضباط الجيش العراقي السابق ( وبدعم من دول الخليج العربي ) ..
سارع المجلس الاعلى \ منظمة بدر \ وبتوجيه ايراني للتعامل مع هذا السناريو من خلال سلسلة من المعلومات التي تصب في هذا الهدف ..
ادناه نص المعلومات التي رفعتها منظمة بدر الى التحالف مع توجيهات الى عناصرها ومصادرها لمتابعة هذه المعلومات المفبركه
● كتاب موجه من منظمة بدر الى فروعها في العراق بتاريخ 26 \ 10 \ 2011 وهذا نصه :
( مجموعه كبيره من قواعد وانصار حزب البعث وصلوا الى العراق وبدعم من حركة الوفاق الوطني ( العراقيه ) لتشكيل تنظيم قوي باسم ( مغاوير البعث ) لكن بنفس الافكار في محافظات الموصل والانبار وتكريت واعلان تلك المحافظات قواعد امنيه لهم حتى يشنوا تحركاتهم وحربهم ضد العمليه السياسيه من تلك المناطق لذا يتم اخبار مصادركم عن هذه المعلومه واخبارنا بالسرعه الممكنه ) ..
● كتاب موجهه الى اللجنه الامنيه للتحالف الوطني بتاريخ 2 \ 11 \ 2011 وهذا نصه :
( حصل مكتب الجهاز المركزي لمنظمة بدر على معلومات تشير عودة العناصر البعثيه لازلام النظام البائد مطلوبه ومحاربه للعمليه السياسيه في البلد من الدول اليمن سوريا ليبيا وقد تم توجيهها للسكن في المحافظات الموصل والانبار وديالى وتكريت وستقوم مكاتبنا في المحافظات المذكوره لمتابعة الموضوع واخبارنا بالتفاصيل
اخباركم تفاصيل اكثر .. تقبلوا فائق اشكر والتقدير
تحدث نوري المالكي" كاذبا " قبل اصدار اوامره للجيش والاجهزه الامنيه بشن حملة اعتقالات واسعه شملت كافة محافظات العراق واشار ان المعلومات وردت الى الاجهزه الامنيه من سوريا وليبيا بوجود مخطط انقلاب على الحكومه تنفذه عناصر بعثيه وضباط من الجيش العراقي السابق
الشق الثاني //
1- يتبنى فيلق القدس الايراني عمليات التصفيات الجسديه وتشمل سياسيين كبار ومسؤولين كبار مشاركين في العمليه السياسيه وصدرت التوجهيات الى ابو ( مهدي المهندس ) المسؤول المباشر عن المجاميع الخاصه في العراق المرتبطه بفيلق القدس الايراني للتواجد في العراق للاشراف على تنفيذ العمليات وبدعم معلوماتي ولوجستي من قبل حكومة المالكي .
2- صدرت توجيهات ايرانيه الى المجلس الاعلى \ منظمة بدر \ بالتهيأ للقيام بواجبات خاصه بعد الانسحاب الامريكي من العراق وخاصة في محافظات \ الانبار \ الموصل \ صلاح الدين \ نينوى \ ديالى
على ضوء هذا التوجيه عممت منظمة بدر توجيهات الى الى كافة الفروع في المحافظات وادناه نص الكتاب الموجه بتاريخ 30 \ 10 \ 2011
● ( بناءا على توجيهات امين عام منظمة بدر الموقر تقرر اعادة هيكلة منظمة بدر بشكلها السابق بشكل قطعات عسكريه على شكل فروع لممارسة دورها في المرحله المقبله ما بعد الانسحاب الامريكي وادخال كافة عناصرها بدورات عسكريه خاصه بحرب الشوارع والمدن وبدون استثناء وكل كافة انواع الاسلحه وتقديم جرد كامل بكافة الاعضاء الحضور ومقدار تسليحهم واحتياجالتهم بما يتناسب بالمرحله المقبله ونرجو من الاخوه كافة الالتزام بالموضوع وبدقه ولكم فائق الشكر والتقدير ....
نسخه منه الى \ مديرية التدريب العسكري
وحدة الضباط لبدر )
موقع
ابو مريم الانصاري
● كتاب صادر من منظمة بدر بتاريخ 22 \10 \2011 والموجه الى الجهاز المركزي الخاص بالتصفيات الجسديه وهذا نصه :
( كتابكم المرقم 986 في 19 \10 \2011
(الاهداف المذكوره في كتابكم عناصر بعثيه مخابراتيه مطلوبه لنا وتتخذ من محافظة الانبار سكنا لها وملجأ لتنفيذ مآربها ولقائتها منذ سقوط النظام ولليوم وتم تزويد مصدرنا في الانبار بمعرفة اماكن دورهم وتواجدهم وتحركاتهم )
انتهى
● كتاب موجه من قيادة منظمة بدر بتاريخ 22 \ 10 \ 2011 موجه الى الشورى المركزيه لمنظمة بدر هذا نصه :
( يتم النظر بقرار تجميد اللجان الخاصه المرقم 1042 في 6 \ 3 \ 2011 يراسه الاخ ابو هشام الاحمدي وتسليفها ودفع الامكانيات اللازمه لها لغرض وقوفها الى جانب القوى الاخرى في المرحله المقبله بما فيها لجان المتابعه السريه وتصفية العناصر المعاديه )
موقع
ابو علي الهاشمي
المعلومات التي حصلنا عليها ومن مصادر موثوقه جدا ان المرحله الحاليه التي اسمتها ايران بالضربه الاستباقيه للقوى الوطنيه وضباط الجيش العراقي السابق والبعثيين ونفذها رئيس حكومة الاحتلال نوري المالكي ترافقها عمليات اجراميه كبيره اعد خطتها فيلق القدس الايراني وباشراف " ابو مهدي المهندس " الذي يتواجد حاليا في العراق ويتنقل بحريه محميا من قبل حكومة المنطقه الخضراء لتنفيذ العمليات الاجراميه
1- القيام بعمليات تصفيات واسعه في محافظة بغداد وديالى والانبار تشمل المعارضين للمشروع الايراني .
2- العمل على اعادة الاقتتال الطائفي والبدء بعملية التهجير الطائفي من خلال سلسلة من التفجيرات تطال مناطق شعبيه واسواق شعبيه في المحافظات السنيه ترافقها حملة تصفيات جسديه وبدعم حكومي لاحداث حاله على الارض تسعى الاحزاب المرتبطه بايران منذ فتره لتطبيقها وهي فصل اقضيه ونواحي من محافظات سنيه وضمها الى محافظات شيعيه ومنها مدينة بغداد .
3- هيأت ايران قوات مدربه على حرب الشوارع والاختطاف وهي قوات من الحرس الثوري وقوات الباسيج ترابط حاليا قرب الحدود العراقيه الايرانيه في كل من قاطع محافظة " ميسان " " ديالى " " الكوت " ستدخل افواج من هذه القوه بعد الانسحاب الامريكي وتتمركز في مناطق حزام بغداد الجنوبي .
4- اعدت ايران خطه لدخول اعداد كبيره من عناصر القاعده المرتبطه بايران وستدخل هذه العناصر من المنطقه الشماليه وتحديدا عبر محافظة السليمانيه وتتوزع هذه المجاميع في محافظة التاميم – كركوك والمناطق المحيطه بها وصولا الى منطقة الخالص في محافظة ديالى وتدخل مجاميع اخرى باتجاه محافظة صلاح الدين وستقوم بتنفيذ عمليات تفجيرات واسعه في المناطق المذكوره تطال مناطق تسكنها " الشيعه " ..
لما تقدم اعلاه نوجه نداء الى فصائل المقاومه العراقيه والقوى الوطنيه وشيوخ العشائر بالانتباه الى المخطط الايراني الخبيث الذي تنفذه حكومة نوري المالكي واحزاب ايران وبتواطأ من قبل شيوخ عشائر وسياسيين واشخاص في المحافظات المذكوره استهواهم الدولار والتومان وما يغدقه عليهم المالكي من اموال ومن مناصب على حساب عروبتهم وعراقيتهم وابناء جلدتهم ليصبحوا جسرا يؤمن دخول اتباع ايران وحرسها الثوري ومليشيات الاحزاب الى مناطقهم وتقديم المعلومات لهم وقد وردت هذه الاشاره في التوجيهات التي اصدرتها منظمة بدر لاتباعها
Iran is NOT evil. I agree that The Powers That Be may have evil intent, justified by their own rhetoric and beliefs that they are right but the Iranian people are NOT evil. In greek mythology the god Saturn kept eating his own children through fear that one day they would overthrow him. Eventually his wife hid a son and Saturn ate a stone wrapped in the baby blanket instead, Zeus then grew up to overthrow his father. The evil, as far as I'm concerned in this story, was Saturn eating all his children. This is what I see happening in overly controlled Islamic states. Why don't people realize gripping something so tight, so it can't change and grow is a kind of murder.
No coup occurred in pakistain according to zakaria?? Musharaff came into power by a military coup that deposed the prime minister at the time. hello!
Well Said FZ. There is a good solution to Pakistan's problems:
Pakistan needs to be divided into 3 smaller countries – Sindh+ baloch, east Punjab and then North West area with all the turban heads.
East Punjab and sindh could be made successful like their neighbors India / China – with industry and agro based businesses.
The North West region should be bombarded daily without any mercy till there are no more men left over age 12.
Sindh – Baloch and Punjabis have some brains – they need to form their own separate nations.
to save Pakistan, form new nations.
Or ask India for help – they divided you in 1971 – they can do it again with ease.
India can turn Pakistan into ashes in seconds.
In 1971, Pakistan surrendered 100,000 POW's to Indian Army.
Indian army could not feed these lepers – they never expected 100,000 POW's surrendering.
Now, Indians will NOT take any prisoners – there would be 100,000 suicide bombers
Merciless eradication of Islamists in Pakistan is in the greater good of world peace and human civilization.
I thank Obama and my country US & NATO for taking the Acton they did few days ago.
Here is Four facts.
1) What Pakistan's government is doing is not for ISLAM.
2) U.S is not Pakistan's Ally but using Pakistan as a puppet.
3) Pakistan needs a new leadership that does not listen to any country, but look for the best of its people.
4) Pakistan (as a country) has lost thousands of lives in this America's war. Yet, people are ignorant and don't credit Pakistan.
Read half of the comments.. (didnt read further bcoz it was nothing but hatred for each other) It was surprising for me to see the hatred for the nations targeted by the US in the name of war on terror.. .. I wonder do Americans ever look at the number of people killed by the US all over the world and the numbers killed by the so called Talibans ...
I condemn 9/11 and wish the true culprits be punsihed for their act... but the strategy US opted to eliminate terrorism can never produce positive results.. no one has the right to bomb the whole nighbourhood if there is a suspect living there... this can only be understood by someone who has lost all his innocent family members in a drone strike which was carried out only b/c there were some reports that there is terrorist hiding in that area.. the only way that person takes his revenge is by suicide bombing.. not in America or Europe.. but in the same country and killing his own countrymen.. and the problems multiply.. not for US but for the country being targeted I know its not easy to understand until you have experienced it urself.. and I pray that none of you get to experience that....
Only if i didnt believe in a just God, I would have been more hopeless for Pakistan than anyone of you.. have some heart people..
boycott and put sanctions on Pakistan if they stopped the military supplies to our troops we can stop importing their goods here and into Europe...they have useed exterism to blackmail the world in order to milk the west...We should declare the ISI/MI and Army connected to it as a sponsor of terrrorism...If we do not end Pakistan's terrorism before leaving the region, than it would be clear to all of us..that we are in bed with Pakistan. Hense, with the terrorists. I remind all that the "mastermind" of 911 was a Pakistani born(with pakistani parents and paki passport) and ISI agent KSM (we have hid this fact from our people to please pakistan)...
An eye opener article.
Too bad we can't put a wall around the Muslim World and let all the factions anillate each other – which they would with great joy.
Praise Allah
Pakistan – friends without benefits? Pakistan was a frontline state in the Afghan war against the Soviets.
“What is most important to the history of the world,”Brzezinski asked, “the Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?”
Big deal. Anyone with a brain would realized that the "prize" of a healthy Afghanistan or Pakistan from a US perspective is pretty useless.
If one billion Indians turn their A$$e$ toward Pakistan and F@rt simultaniously and US ignites it with their state of art technology then Pakistan will turn into ashes in seconds.
One billion Indian A$$e$ Wow. If it happens, all the pashtuns would run toward India.
@yesIndia – Keep wishing and keep living in fool's paradise.
@PeshawarStrong – hahaha – you got it damn right – lol
If India truly thought that they can turn Pakistan inti ashes, they would have done that decades ago
Well, they broke up Pakistan into two in 1971 and created Bangladesh – that was a good start, won't you agree?
why dont you fools understand, no matter what happens, Pakistan will have the last laugh in any case, and this is what is killing the US and its stooges, US has been played on its own game. All what has happened over the last few years should be text book material for International Relation course books no how to deal with super powers
PAkistanies don't need a freind who does not respect their borders – Period
@yesIndia - Keep wishing and keep living in fool's paradise.
There would have to be clearly defined border to respect them.....
borders? very soon there will be a civil war in pakistan and country will be split into 3 countries.
Pakistan will be next after Syria...tick tock tick tock..its only time !! get ready for some internal killing in that horrible country
First, Afghanistan is a beautiful desert wasteland. There is nothing there on which to build a vibrant economy. Afghans made wealthy by the US presence more their moeny to Dubai. The US needs to exit, Bin Laden is gone the rest of the looney's are just a PIA. Pakistan is another exit story. Neither love nor money can transform either the civilian or military leadership to their desired state of being a peer to India and China. So, let the SU and Pakistan get over that notion. The Pakis have wasted their opportunity. The had help – good and bad, but now they need to come to grips with the reality of the region and so do we in the US.
Muslims in Pakistan, are extremely violent, and far too many are involved in terror activities. Indeed elements in the government itself, are now being identified with terror activities.
Pakistan's government cannot conceal this from the world, in today's instant news environment. The media get the news of their actions, before they can squelch it.
How many Pakistanis do you personally know? Please realize that its a country with over 160 million population.. most of them dont even care who is ruling the country and what Americans are doing mostly because they have to works 12-14 hours in a day to feed their children..
How many Pakistanis do we need to know to get their mindset? A whole 160 Million? How do those beggars on the streets of Islamabad matter in terms of foreign policy?
It is enough that I see the vitriol in your words; you who belongs to the privileged few in the oligarchy that is Pakistan. You who chose to enjoy the benefits of the west and the liberal immigration policy to gain citizenship while continuing to bear allegiance to your real homeland, Pakistan; you are who I have a problem with.
You Pakis put up a facade in public and propagate hate in private. That is precisely the reason why we have so many 2 generation Pakistanis who want to blow themselves up in London, New York, Boston and elsewhere.
You don't assimilate sufficiently and demand separate system of law all over the world including Europe, USA etc.
Now tell me, why should all these be ignored? Combativeness is not the solution, understanding is. However, Pakistani (or Islamic?) culture doesn't allow you to engage on equal terms with non-muslim poeple. Darel Harb is it??
yes there is no other country more anti america than pakistan in world and it is just because what america has done to pakistan. Its is america who is killing innocent tribals in pakistan. it is america who wants to take possession of pakistan nuclear assets just to make israel happy. I accept that our leaders are corrupts but as a nation we know who is our friend and who is our enemy and for those who blame pakistan a terrorist country, they badly need to know the facts and figures of those innocent human beings killed by american troops in iraq, afghanistan and pakiistan just because they are muslms.
"oh, woe is me. we are innocent victims. we haven't done anything wrong. its all the fault of the West, the US, Israel, the zionists, anybody but us." the credo of the palestinians and now the credo of nazia zafar. good luck with this whine. being false to your own history will not help you in dealing with the future.
So..who is your friend? No one, that we can see...
Fareed Zikria is an american has viewed the problem with American eye. Its a falacy that america has helped pakistan in last 60 yrs.As a mater of fact it has always tried to strenghten negative forces i.e. Dictators , Usama's and democratic pupets like zardari.It has tried its best to keep the region unstable , cause the unstable Afghan/Pakistan some how sevred the interests of US.Americans cannot subdue nations any more. People can understand the difference between right and wrong.
Were you sucking your thumb all this while?
Pakistan as a sovereign country is responsible for it's actions. You chose to nurture poisonous snakes in your back-yard. You brainwashed your entire citizenry in the name of Islam during Ziael Haq's rule. Those citizens are not the fodder that feeds the Taliban ranks. Who are you blaming??
You chose to inculcate Saudi Wahabi extremist ideologies in your school text books in the name of Islam. Are you going to blame America for that folly?
Now, you chose to play China against the USA. Go !ick some chow mein butt. China is no America to be naive with you.
The US unwisely, in the name of human-rights and political correctness goes over board in financial aid. China will have no such qualms. The moment India-China trade volume goes above $50 Billion, they will screw Pakistan in Kashmir.
Pakistan only started their nuclear program after the surprise test by INDIA, called the “smiling Buda.” Pak did what they had to protect against Indian aggression. Which can be seen still in Kashmir where more than 70,000 people have been killed for asking for their human rights, and 700,000 of Indian soldiers are present in Kashmir even today. Yet the whole international media and the world community is quiet about that, no one wants to mention that or talk about it. Pure injustice and high level of hypocrisy from the states and media.
And this article is just another propaganda against Pakistan Nuclear weapons, just to create fear in people and justify attack to take them away. If any of you want to know the truth, search on internet of all the incidents regarding nuclear weapons, you’ll find that every country, including America have at more than once compromised the security of those weapons, with their carelessness, and yet Pakistan get all the heat.
Just look up Pakistan command and control system of those weapons, and compare it with the rest of the 8 nuclear states.
Truth seeker,
What it takes you pakistani's to accept that your country is nothing but a failed state and your government created terrorist organisations to export them to neighbours and now they turned their guns on you.
YAaaWn...
Read this on the other blog. Got no NEW conspiracy theory ??
hmmmmm Pakistanis in home and abroad have been caught in terror plots ( TIME SQUARE TERROR PLOT, MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACKS had involvement of American living or Canada living Pakistanis ) BE ASHAMED NOW
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad ( A Pakistani ) pitched ideas to BIN LADEN TO attack US by flying planes into buildings, BIN LADEN APPROVED THE IDEA
SO A PAKISTANI MASTERMIND WAS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SEPT 11, 2001
Pakistan has TAKEN 20 BILLION DOLLARS and yet it sheltered Bin laden for 5 years and allowed Haqqanis so that American soldiers get killed and get sent in body bags – THUS PAKISTAN HAS EARNED THE HATE from civilized world
Pakistani civilian deaths are due to the Taliban that Pakistan created and the strategy backfired, PAKISTANI ARMY AND ISI ARE RESPONSIBLE
STOP BLAMING INDIA AND ISRAEL AND EVEN AMERICA
YOU WANTED AMERICAN MONEY, YOU BROUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF CREATING TALIBAN IN THE 1980'S
YOUR SELFISH INTEREST IN HARMING INDIA BY BEING A US MERCENARY SEVERELY BACKFIRED AND STILL, WORSE STILL YOUR NATION SUPPORTS AND HARBORS TERRORIST GROUPS
Pakistan is solely responsible FOR NOT BEING LOVED.
I think 1 Billion Indians might have something to say about Pakistan and their crap. I personally know several that are ready to throw down now – obviously it's a touchy situation but Pakistan plays both sides of the coin....and should pay the price for it.
Hey all pakistan supporters, agreed no body likes any kind of hostile talk against their country.Stop blaming USA for your problems.Lets rewind and go back to 2001.Prior to 2001 Pakistan government was overrun by army coup and was being ruled by Mushraff sice 1999 and who was boycotted by whole world and facing sanctions.Pakistan was struggling with economic sanctions.After sep-11 attacks USA needed pakistan to enter Afghanistan then musharaf started negotiating with secretary of state Colin Powell for aid against allowing USA troops to use pakistan.In one of the colin powell's interview he made fun of musharaf for keep begging for aid in every meeting he had with him.After 2001 from the 20 most wanted list of America everyy terrorist who were captured by CIA were captured in Pakistan.Every terrorist captured in other parts of the world have visited pakistan before their capture.Why does pakistan has militant camps supported by ISI on eastern side of their borders.Having problems with neighbours is common for any country but training militants and sending them into neighbouring countries to kill innocent people, how can somebody justify this kind of terrorism exporting.Pakistan should look into their own backyard and solve their internal problems before blaming others.
US and PAK both are the creator of Terrorists. Very few like US and PAK. US is increasing its enemies. 60% world population hate US. One day will come when China or Russia will take over.
since you made up your own facts, don't "worry" about it. The 40% of the world that doesnt hate the US will protect you from China and Russia which would not allow you to speak your mind as you can do at the present time
Notice we r increasing our list of enemies while under Obama's leadership......... so much for Dems being less likely to engage in war and hit-jobs around the world.
Zakaria you are right coz... you are not talking all the world.... All world is against usa at thime.... and you told you before you are out of mind also.
NEWS NEWS USA APOLOGIZED FROM PAKISTAN OVER ITS SOLDIER,S DEATH.
PAKISTAN IS THE REAL POWER THAT'S ALL OK
If this NATO bombing of Pakistan had taken place under GW Bush, the CNN headline would read "Bush administration makes enemy of once friend Pakistan" Notice how Obama's influence/affect on the decision to bomb is not the subject of the article. Believe it that if he were a repub, that would be the angle – the war-monger President who escalated our military presence more than his scaling back of it. He also has made declarations of which heads of state should quit office – as if half of the U.S. isn't calling for Obama to step down, also. Why isn't he heeding those requests? Why is it that OTHER presidents and heads of state should step down based on popular wishes but not Obama? He and the media are the greatest hypocrites the world has ever witnessed.
Maybe in the future, we need to build up our allies such as India. Time to create our future friends. India is already leaning to other nations for support/future growth. We need to be part of India, Indonesia, Thailand and Burma's futures... These sort of nations can be mutually beneficial.
Here is short summary of what Pakistan did for USA.
1) Choose US over Russia as Ally since the creation of Pakistan.
2) Pakistan Join CENTO (Alliance again Russia), just to please USA
3) Pakistan did not took part directly in Arab-Israel wars, again just to please USA
4) Pakistan lost half of the country (Pakistan was at fault) and did not get any direct military support from USA and at they end they had to raise white flag and accept defeat.
5) In 1980’s after Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan Pakistan was brainwashed by USA that Russia is going to invade there land, USA provided full military and some what financial support to Pakistan to train Mujahidin’s against Red Army in Afghanistan, at the end Red Army left and its economy collapsed, USSR was also broken into several countries, it is not wrong to say that former soviet Union was defeated by Mujahidin’s and the won the war for USA.
6) Pakistan is home to millions of Afghan refugees due to ongoing wars in Afghanistan in which USA is directly or in directly involved. Afghan refuges also brought drugs and weapons which resulted in thousand’s of death in Pakistan.
7) After 9/11 Pakistan shook hands with USA again to eliminate al-Qaida and Taleban from Afghanistan, the outcome of this is 30,000 thousand deaths in Pakistan and loss of 60 billon $.
The conclusion is ‘Might is Right’, poor (finically and mentally) will always suffer and the Might will always take full benefit of
Pakistan
1) Choose US over Russia as Ally since the creation of Pakistan – Since India was in camp with the USSR (not Russia)
2) Pakistan Join CENTO (Alliance again Russia), just to please USA – (Since India was in camp with the USSR)
3) Pakistan did not took part directly in Arab-Israel wars, again just to please USA – Coz Israel would kick serious butt and Pakistan in within reach of their missiles.
4) Pakistan lost half of the country (Pakistan was at fault) and did not get any direct military support from USA and at they end they had to raise white flag and accept defeat. ( The Punjabi Sunni supremacists subjugated the other half of Pakistan, . now Bangladesh.)
5) In 1980’s after Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan Pakistan was brainwashed by USA that Russia is going to invade there land, USA provided full military and some what financial support to Pakistan to train Mujahidin’s against Red Army in Afghanistan, at the end Red Army left and its economy collapsed, USSR was also broken into several countries, it is not wrong to say that former soviet Union was defeated by Mujahidin’s and the won the war for USA.
(Pakistan was greedy for US $ and Saudi Riyals. In addition, Pakistani to prove their 'pure adherence to Islam' brainwashed their own citizens with the help of Saudi Wahabbists and actively promoted Al-Qaeda, Taliban as their proxies in Afghanistan )
6) Pakistan is home to millions of Afghan refugees due to ongoing wars in Afghanistan in which USA is directly or in directly involved. Afghan refuges also brought drugs and weapons which resulted in thousand’s of death in Pakistan. (The Af-Pak border is porous and the ethnic Pashtus there never recognized it. They still believe Pakistan grabbed land that is rightfully theirs. The US has nothing to do with this. Pasthus believe they are living in their own country as long as they don't cross the NorthWest Pak provinces. Pakistan has to deal with them directly.)
7) After 9/11 Pakistan shook hands with USA again to eliminate al-Qaida and Taleban from Afghanistan, the outcome of this is 30,000 thousand deaths in Pakistan and loss of 60 billon $. (9/11 was Pakistans contained experiment gone global. The ISI/Army still hope to keep the Taliban/Al-Qaeada under control as strategic assets against Afghanistan and India. )
Come on Liar, repeating your version multiple times will NOT make it the truth.
HEY LOOK IT FIRST BEFORE ANY THING
Here is short summary of what Pakistan did for USA.
1) Choose US over Russia as Ally since the creation of Pakistan.
2) Pakistan Join CENTO (Alliance again Russia), just to please USA
3) Pakistan did not took part directly in Arab-Israel wars, again just to please USA
4) Pakistan lost half of the country (Pakistan was at fault) and did not get any direct military support from USA and at they end they had to raise white flag and accept defeat.
5) In 1980’s after Russia’s invasion of Afghanistan Pakistan was brainwashed by USA that Russia is going to invade there land, USA provided full military and some what financial support to Pakistan to train Mujahidin’s against Red Army in Afghanistan, at the end Red Army left and its economy collapsed, USSR was also broken into several countries, it is not wrong to say that former soviet Union was defeated by Mujahidin’s and the won the war for USA.
6) Pakistan is home to millions of Afghan refugees due to ongoing wars in Afghanistan in which USA is directly or in directly involved. Afghan refuges also brought drugs and weapons which resulted in thousand’s of death in Pakistan.
7) After 9/11 Pakistan shook hands with USA again to eliminate al-Qaida and Taleban from Afghanistan, the outcome of this is 30,000 thousand deaths in Pakistan and loss of 60 billon $.
The conclusion is ‘Might is Right’, poor (finically and mentally) will always suffer and the Might will always take full benefit of
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Pakistanis in home and abroad have been caught in terror plots ( TIME SQUARE TERROR PLOT, MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACKS had involvement of American living or Canada living Pakistanis ) BE ASHAMED NOW
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad ( A Pakistani ) pitched ideas to BIN LADEN TO attack US by flying planes into buildings, BIN LADEN APPROVED THE IDEA
SO A PAKISTANI MASTERMIND WAS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SEPT 11, 2001
Pakistan has TAKEN 20 BILLION DOLLARS and yet it sheltered Bin laden for 5 years and allowed Haqqanis so that American soldiers get killed and get sent in body bags – THUS PAKISTAN HAS EARNED THE HATE from civilized world
Pakistani civilian deaths are due to the Taliban that Pakistan created and the strategy backfired, PAKISTANI ARMY AND ISI ARE RESPONSIBLE
STOP BLAMING INDIA AND ISRAEL AND EVEN AMERICA
YOU WANTED AMERICAN MONEY, YOU BROUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF CREATING TALIBAN IN THE 1980'S
YOUR SELFISH INTEREST IN HARMING INDIA BY BEING A US MERCENARY SEVERELY BACKFIRED AND STILL, WORSE STILL YOUR NATION SUPPORTS AND HARBORS TERRORIST GROUPS
Pakistan is solely responsible FOR NOT BEING LOVED.
friends without benefits? more like we're giving Pakistan millions and we're getting ...........
Ok all of them are right but listen, did u ever think who is responsible for all this mess , if you go around your final destination is the corrouption and those who support the cossrouption.
Pakistani leaders like Gillani Zardari nawaz sharif altaf hussain they are corroupt and the countries like usa and england they support them nicely. We know that corroupt peoples they always think themself they donot care america or pakistan etc, they want to save there asses.
If world wants to bring peace in this world bring justice. They bring the money by money laundering commisions not a single country did audit of there money, if common people will do $100 fraud the IRS the all agencies will F**** u but they donot care how these peoples are bringing the money
If america want a complete solution in Afghanistan just trust on the people and justice.
"It is difficult to find a country on the planet that is more anti-American than Pakistan" difficult?? Fareed, don't you remember the big-time Iraq-invasion that we did resulting in the DEATHS OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of civilians? If you compare this to that of the recent deaths of Pakistani soldiers, I'll be surprised if you don't see how Iraqi's feel towards the US...
The US cannot even run it's own country properly anymore. It's time to take care of business at home and stop meddling in every corner of the world. Bring ALL US troops home, keep them home and let them protect our borders and keep the trillions given away all over the world especially when not appreciated or misused, which is usually the case. The deficit would be fixed immediately if we did that.
WE WANT CNN without FAREED ZAKARIA. He is too misleading!!!
Too bad you don't like to hear critical analyses. Here's my piece of advice you moron – You will not like everything that you hear. Don't be a Paki. Reform and progress.
Ah, wait, what am I hoping for?
Well u should first go to a doctor and get urself a check for mental sanity -anyone speaking truth can not be termed as anti Pakistan and anti-islam -do remember Fareed is himself a muslim ...but not one of like u pakis
All good PAK muslim remained in India and all NA-PAK went to Pakistan
I agree with you Bushra. It is no surprise that the indians on this blog are supporting Fareed's point of view and Pakistanis consider his views biased. This is enough to make him controversial. Fareed is of Indian origin and uses CNN's forum to spread antiPakistan propaganda. I hope someday CNN also realize this.
come on people i really think that we are taking all this pakistan and u.s thing way too far, all the pakistan need to do is look what is happen in syria,and know that the u.s is not there fighting. there terror that are fighting pak and u.s are just the same as the assad,just want the people to know what is wrong and not what is good i'm so so pleace to know that the younger one are trying to go to school, the ones that they think don't like us are getting it all wrong its not that they don't its just that the ones that we make come here see what they have and there people in power are taking it away from them,when they can make there life much much more better then it really is today,and for the pak people just so you all know that is what the people in power are doing,why do i say that they get all that money from us and what do they do with it make weapon come on wake up people and looking,they are the one that sleep good eat good and do all the good things and what are you the people are doing dieing for what,do you think the u.s will just come and bumb you come on bs,
Pakistan is a terrorist state –All the Pakistani's do not like Fareed anyways therefore u see such a hue and cry in comment section. Pakistan was created on basis of religion-they do not want to see an Indian Muslim being so sucessful
Their hemorrhoids start flaring up when they see a Muslim from India with a Harvard PhD telling the truth about a banana republic called Pakistan.
Too easy to bash Pakistan for anyone since anyone who supports it will have his career ended in the US media. Do you guys know that this war on terrorism has cost Pakistan 30,000 lives and more than $70 Billion in losses to the economy of a poor country.
Soooo many of these comments are about the color of Zakaria's skin... You guys normally this racist or is today special?
If we elect Ron Paul it won't be long before all of these nuts have to pick another country to hate. We need to have nothing to do with any of them.
Ron Paul 2012
Its time for Congress to halt ALL financial and other aid to Pakistan.
I think this would be a great idea for the Pakistani masses, who see little of this as your so called Aid is given to a handfull Agents.
Plus $2B a year is peanuts for any one and especially for a 180M People.. That works out to be around $0.20 per person per week....LOL
Please also note that because of the US War and Desrtruction in the Region, Pakistan has lost over 35,000 People, 3,000 Soldiers and Over $75B since the War on Terror Curse!
.....Pakistanis in home and abroad have been caught in terror plots ( TIME SQUARE TERROR PLOT, MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACKS had involvement of American living or Canada living Pakistanis ) BE ASHAMED NOW
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad ( A Pakistani ) pitched ideas to BIN LADEN TO attack US by flying planes into buildings, BIN LADEN APPROVED THE IDEA
SO A PAKISTANI MASTERMIND WAS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SEPT 11, 2001
Pakistan has TAKEN 20 BILLION DOLLARS and yet it sheltered Bin laden for 5 years and allowed Haqqanis so that American soldiers get killed and get sent in body bags – THUS PAKISTAN HAS EARNED THE HATE from civilized world
Pakistani civilian deaths are due to the Taliban that Pakistan created and the strategy backfired, PAKISTANI ARMY AND ISI ARE RESPONSIBLE
STOP BLAMING INDIA AND ISRAEL AND EVEN AMERICA
YOU WANTED AMERICAN MONEY, YOU BROUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF CREATING TALIBAN IN THE 1980'S
YOUR SELFISH INTEREST IN HARMING INDIA BY BEING A US MERCENARY SEVERELY BACKFIRED AND STILL, WORSE STILL YOUR NATION SUPPORTS AND HARBORS TERRORIST GROUPS
Pakistan is solely responsible FOR NOT BEING LOVED.
This article is anti Pakistan propaganda as usual. Fareed Zakaria, being of Indian origin is biased against Pakistan. CNN if it stands for neutral unbiased reporting and analysis should not publish such biased articles about Pakistan by a controversial writer who is Indian origin.
I do not agree with his claim that in the past he supported Pakistan in his previous articles. I am a Pakistani. I would admit that there is terrorism, militancy, incidents of religious intolerance against minorities and many other ills in Pakistan but Pakistan has lost more than 35,000 lives including thousands of army men in the war against terrorism and Fareed is blaming everything bad in the region on Pakistan.
I request CNN not to publish Fareed's articles about Pakistan in future.
I agree with you...
Fareed ..... has over the years been very Anti-Pakistan in his Programs and Articles.....The only reason he gets away with it lightly is because he has a Muslim name.
Basically, he is Pro-Indian and normally represents the Anti-Pakistani sentiments of the Indian Media!
I was stationed in pakistan when the afghans were fighting russians & both america/sadia were funding. It saddens me to see the state of our relationship with both countries. Pakistan has usually sided with the US throughout the history. From helping the US to fly spy planes into Russia from pakistani bases during Eisenhower's era (risking bad relations with russia) to helping us engage in the very first dialogue with china.
Where did the Pakistanis go wrong ? Or was it us ? At times I wonder if we as the American people have made the wrong choices. Come to think of it, the same ISI we blame today for almost everything wrong was the real best friends we had in another spy agency until few years ago. So, who has changed then? Apparently Pakistan's line of action has stayed the same. They were supporting taliban 20 years ago and they still are to this day. The only major change has come in our policy where we have abandoned people who were once our allies like the taliban. Yes, they have not been the ideal citizens but why do we have to impart our values on a people so different ? Why do we have to implement our system of governance when it clearly doesn't work in that environment looking at Mr Karzai who is nothing more than a joke!
But then I see a principal shift in our believes. Now we hate the muslims as a nation. Apparently, we as a country will always need something to hate & after the commies its time for the muslims and Now I feel like all the years of my life have been spent in vain. Friends from yesterday are enemies of today. Humanitarian values we once held dear are going down the drain.
God Bless America!
The freedom of thought that you display that makes America the America we know it for. Though I disagree with your statements, I am proud of the American value system. I am glad you are arguing for the other side of the coin and criticizing the USA which is welcome introspection.
All the brainwashed Pakis on this forum, on the other hand, display a bone headed approach to facts. They stubbornly insist that the US and the rest of the world see facts from only ONE perspective, the PAKI PERSPECTIVE. That SUCKS Like HELL!
I HAVE YET TO SEE A SINGLE PAKI CRITICIZE THE OFFICIAL PAKISTANI POLICY.
Why should the Paki trolls here be trusted? They group-think and simpy spam nonsense.
God Bless America! May America be bestowed with the strength to lead the world down the right path.
Ever notice that when it is time for the Pakistanis to go back when their visas run out NONE want to go back..............USA must have something they like.
Fareed ..... has over the years been very Anti-Pakistan in his Programs and Articles.....The only reason he gets away with it lightly is because he has a Muslim name.
Basically, he is Pro-Indian and normally represents the Anti-Pakistani sentiments of the Indian Media!
..................Pakistanis in home and abroad have been caught in terror plots ( TIME SQUARE TERROR PLOT, MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACKS had involvement of American living or Canada living Pakistanis ) BE ASHAMED NOW
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad ( A Pakistani ) pitched ideas to BIN LADEN TO attack US by flying planes into buildings, BIN LADEN APPROVED THE IDEA
SO A PAKISTANI MASTERMIND WAS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SEPT 11, 2001
Pakistan has TAKEN 20 BILLION DOLLARS and yet it sheltered Bin laden for 5 years and allowed Haqqanis so that American soldiers get killed and get sent in body bags – THUS PAKISTAN HAS EARNED THE HATE from civilized world
Pakistani civilian deaths are due to the Taliban that Pakistan created and the strategy backfired, PAKISTANI ARMY AND ISI ARE RESPONSIBLE
STOP BLAMING INDIA AND ISRAEL AND EVEN AMERICA
YOU WANTED AMERICAN MONEY, YOU BROUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF CREATING TALIBAN IN THE 1980'S
YOUR SELFISH INTEREST IN HARMING INDIA BY BEING A US MERCENARY SEVERELY BACKFIRED AND STILL, WORSE STILL YOUR NATION SUPPORTS AND HARBORS TERRORIST GROUPS
Pakistan is solely responsible FOR NOT BEING LOVED.
Fareed Zakaria is USA citizen but his family is from India. Both Indian Hindus and Indian Muslim alike hate the concept of Pakistan for their on selfish reasons. The article is biased towards Pakistan and is not balanced. Zakaria wake up and smell the Tea, your your hate for Pakistan is blinding your intelligence. Open your eyes, Pakistan was a USA friend before USA had and real friend in SE Asia. No other country in the world has helped USA the way Pakistan has helped USA.
What a load of Trash.....The Pakis brand was very good across the World.......The Indians finally got in bed with the Americans, Israelis and Supported by the Europeans and have been trying to beat this Brand down!!
Remember...Pakistan is an Ideology...and transcennds all Human differences...Thus you can never beat it ...It will win!
Shame on you BULLIES!
Trolls and then more.
Add an argument of import. What am I asking of morons!
Don't you live in the west and enjoy all the privileges of freedom, secularism and abuse the liberal immigration policy to get a passport? Your true allegiance lies with your beloved 'homeland'. Traitors!
......Pakistanis in home and abroad have been caught in terror plots ( TIME SQUARE TERROR PLOT, MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACKS had involvement of American living or Canada living Pakistanis ) BE ASHAMED NOW
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad ( A Pakistani ) pitched ideas to BIN LADEN TO attack US by flying planes into buildings, BIN LADEN APPROVED THE IDEA
SO A PAKISTANI MASTERMIND WAS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SEPT 11, 2001
Pakistan has TAKEN 20 BILLION DOLLARS and yet it sheltered Bin laden for 5 years and allowed Haqqanis so that American soldiers get killed and get sent in body bags – THUS PAKISTAN HAS EARNED THE HATE from civilized world
Pakistani civilian deaths are due to the Taliban that Pakistan created and the strategy backfired, PAKISTANI ARMY AND ISI ARE RESPONSIBLE
STOP BLAMING INDIA AND ISRAEL AND EVEN AMERICA
YOU WANTED AMERICAN MONEY, YOU BROUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF CREATING TALIBAN IN THE 1980'S
YOUR SELFISH INTEREST IN HARMING INDIA BY BEING A US MERCENARY SEVERELY BACKFIRED AND STILL, WORSE STILL YOUR NATION SUPPORTS AND HARBORS TERRORIST GROUPS
Pakistan is solely responsible FOR NOT BEING LOVED.
saba y r u posting the same thing over and over again? just to hide our comments? your comment has no weight, you just saw something somewhere and pasted it here.
Fareed's statement and assumption is garbage. Friends without benefits is not true. America uses all nations of the world to it's advantage. If they have no use of any country then it's completely forgotten. When US needed Pakistan to beat the Russians they used Pakistan and created AlQueda and Osama. Now in this war they have used Pakistan in every way possible in which more Pakistani soldiers have given their lives more then Americans and the coalition combine. Pakistan is complex society and they have elements which are not friendly to the west. All Muslim nations around the world has this dilemma. Still Pakistani army has done a whole lot of dirty work for Americans. This is a known fact but never appreciated or rewarded instead people like Fareed in press are used to ridicule a friend we need.
Fareed's statement and assumption is garbage. Friends without benefits is not true. America uses all nations of the world to it's advantage. If they have no use of any country then it's completely forgotten. When US needed Pakistan to beat the Russians they used Pakistan and created AlQueda and Osama. Now in this war they have used Pakistan in every way possible in which more Pakistani soldiers have given their lives more then Americans and the coalition combine. Pakistan is complex society and they have elements which are not friendly to the west. All Muslim nations around the world has this dilemma. Still Pakistani army has done a whole lot of dirty work for Americans. This is a known fact but never appreciated or rewarded instead people like Fareed in press are used to ridicule a friend we need
frictions between Iran and NATO are also increasing by the day. This is the ultimate nightmare for the US and NATO to go to war with a combined force of Pakistan and Iran who are backed by China and Russia. Attacking Iranian and Pakistani nuclear and strategic sites is already part of the US plan but the consequences and fallouts of such reckless policy would then not be in the control of US and NATO
Pakistan’s refusal to attend the Bonn conference has reduced the US sponsored conference to just a farce. The entire endgame of US for Afghanistan is now in crisis and jeopardy. Pakistan’s approval is necessary for future US designs for Afghanistan and now the entire exercise seems futile if Pakistan does not become a guarantor of the process. Complete meltdown of US’s military, diplomatic and economic plans for the region are now visible. The attack on Pakistan’s military post is the costliest and deadliest mistake US and NATO could make and had completely misjudged the emotions and anger in the Pakistani nation and army
Just one NO from Pakistan has brought the mightiest countries to their knees! There is total and complete panic in US camp now. The US is now using all the military, diplomatic and economic pressures they can put on Pakistan to bring Pakistan army to back off. But it is not happening. NATO supplies are blocked for the last 10 days now and a major fuel and supplies crisis has begun to emerge in the Afghan theatre. US is now truly desperate but cannot go to war with a very angry nuclear armed Pakistan. Even the opinion within the US army and administration is fiercely divided on how to manage this crisis l
PAKISTANIS PRETEND AS INDIANS IN THE WEST to avoid being frowned at as Pakistanis in home and abroad have been caught in terror plots ( TIME SQUARE TERROR PLOT, MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACKS had involvement of American living or Canada living Pakistanis ) BE ASHAMED NOW
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad ( A Pakistani ) pitched ideas to BIN LADEN TO attack US by flying planes into buildings, BIN LADEN APPROVED THE IDEA
SO A PAKISTANI MASTERMIND WAS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SEPT 11, 2001
Pakistan has TAKEN 20 BILLION DOLLARS and yet it sheltered Bin laden for 5 years and allowed Haqqanis so that American soldiers get killed and get sent in body bags – THUS PAKISTAN HAS EARNED THE HATE from civilized world
Pakistani civilian deaths are due to the Taliban that Pakistan created and the strategy backfired, PAKISTANI ARMY AND ISI ARE RESPONSIBLE
STOP BLAMING INDIA AND ISRAEL AND EVEN AMERICA
YOU WANTED AMERICAN MONEY, YOU BROUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF CREATING TALIBAN IN THE 1980'S
YOUR SELFISH INTEREST IN HARMING INDIA BY BEING A US MERCENARY SEVERELY BACKFIRED AND STILL, WORSE STILL YOUR NATION SUPPORTS AND HARBORS TERRORIST GROUPS
Pakistan is solely responsible FOR NOT BEING LOVED.
Within Afghanistan, while NATO scales down their operations due to fuel and supplies blockade, the Afghan resistance sees this as an opportunity to increase attacks on the trapped occupation forces. The Afghan resistance, Pakistan army and Iranian armed forces can join hands in case of a NATO attack on Pakistan or Iran and that would unleash a global war if not a regional nuclear one. The stakes are too high and deadly for the US and NATO also. InshAllah Khair for Muslims and there is zillat for the Kuffar!
Somalia + nuclear weapons = Pakistan
it proliferated nuclear technology to Libya , Iran and North Korea
It sheltered BIN LADEN for 5 years
It took 18 billion dollars in aid and used it against India than fight terror
What an "ally" ...TERRIBLE ROGUE
PAKISTANIS intelligence ISI COPIES TERRORISM FROM EVERYWHERE
PAKISTANIS intelligence ISI COPIES SUICIDE BOMBINGS FROM IRAN
KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMAD – PAKISTANI WHO MASTERMINDED SEPT 2011 BY GIVING IDEA TO PLY PLANES INTO BUILDINGS
FAIZAL SHAZAD – PAKISTANI WHO PLANED TIME SQUARE BOMB PLOT
LONDON BOMBERS WERE OR PAKISTANI ORIGIN
AJMAL KASAB WAS THE PAKISTANI GUNMAN OF MUMBAI ATTACK
DAWOOD GILANI ( HEADLEY) – A PAKISTANI PLANNED MUMBAI ATTACK
TAWAHUR RANA – A PAKISTANI PLANNED THE MUMBAI ATTACK
PAKISTANI – TERRORISTS OR TERROR SYMPATHIZERS
America is always in a "kill first, then apologize" mode? And other countries are falling for this...so sad,sad,sad.
hey Pakistan’s refusal to attend the Bonn conference has reduced the US sponsored conference to just a farce. The entire endgame of US for Afghanistan is now in crisis and jeopardy. Pakistan’s approval is necessary for future US designs for Afghanistan and now the entire exercise seems futile if Pakistan does not become a guarantor of the process. Complete meltdown of US’s military, diplomatic and economic plans for the region are now visible. The attack on Pakistan’s military post is the costliest and deadliest mistake US and NATO could make and had completely misjudged the emotions and anger in the Pakistani nation and army
Battle orders has been released by the Chief of Army staff General Kayani. Now all Pak army formaitons will not have to take permisison from HQ's to fire at and attack the enemy targets posing threats to Pak Sarzameen and Pakstani Muslims. All hostile threats will be taken out and destroyed by all front line formaitons without needing any further permisison or clearance.
. The reaction from a Muslim nation has shocked and dazed the enemies, alhamdolillah. Be ready. The time has come. A physical war can start without any further notice!
The enemies of Pakistan are in total panic and today even the most rabid snakes in media were talking patriotic laguage as they can see the rope of hangmen around their necks now
Dear saba u people can only dream to destroy Pakistan and that dream u are seeing even in a day light! oh my GOD,tell me truly are u people not afraid every night from Pakistan? how u people get sleep?i am sure u are using sleeping piles?and remember u cant do any thing to Pakistan, Pakistan is a ideology its not a country with boundaries how u will fight or destroy a ideology? Islam is always defensive ,Islam is not a aggressor, this is the beauty of a Muslim and Islam as well. but when some body attack on us then no way dear.and listen Pakistan is much more develop then your,s India,we got the super class roads in Pakistan even F 16 can land on it during war or in peace time. heres yours unnecessary comments against Pakistan will give u nothing , try to stop this,and one thing more dear i never comment on any news before this but when i see comments against Pakistan spread by peoples like u then i make a group to ffffffffffuk u all here, person like you are the sole responsible for an anti Indian sentiments. this is the only job u are doing for yours beloved India. we Muslim will not say any thing to any body as long we are not being getting distrube.if u wana make us yours enemy on this world stage or in practical form then its up to u.if u are a Hindu i dont mind it at all and if we are Muslim u should not mind it at all.better to accept Islam and have a peace of mind and sole.if u have any question regarding about Islam then go to utube and listen the lecture of DR-ZAKIR A NIKE he is an Indian not a Pakistani . u will get the ans of all your,s question which u are looking or asking or blaming to the ordinary people here.and listen Americans will fallow their interest they will never listen u or me so dont try to make them a fool they are much cleaver then u or us.what ever u will say about india but reality is, it,s still hold the largest number of poor peoples on this planet.am i wrong?and if u are Hindu then why u are coming with Muslim name?better be a muslim and become my sister if u are female.
thanks for u kind attentions.
Pakistanis in home and abroad have been caught in terror plots ( TIME SQUARE TERROR PLOT, MUMBAI TERRORIST ATTACKS had involvement of American living or Canada living Pakistanis ) BE ASHAMED NOW
Khalid Sheikh Mohammad ( A Pakistani ) pitched ideas to BIN LADEN TO attack US by flying planes into buildings, BIN LADEN APPROVED THE IDEA
SO A PAKISTANI MASTERMIND WAS BEHIND THE IDEA OF SEPT 11, 2001
Pakistan has TAKEN 20 BILLION DOLLARS and yet it sheltered Bin laden for 5 years and allowed Haqqanis so that American soldiers get killed and get sent in body bags – THUS PAKISTAN HAS EARNED THE HATE from civilized world
Pakistani civilian deaths are due to the Taliban that Pakistan created and the strategy backfired, PAKISTANI ARMY AND ISI ARE RESPONSIBLE
STOP BLAMING INDIA AND ISRAEL AND EVEN AMERICA
YOU WANTED AMERICAN MONEY, YOU BROUGHT INTO THE IDEA OF CREATING TALIBAN IN THE 1980'S
YOUR SELFISH INTEREST IN HARMING INDIA BY BEING A US MERCENARY SEVERELY BACKFIRED AND STILL, WORSE STILL YOUR NATION SUPPORTS AND HARBORS TERRORIST GROUPS
Pakistan is solely responsible FOR NOT BEING LOVED.
Saba i think your knowledge stops here, you are saying only one weightless thing... please stop
While this forum was full with worst comments bashing Islam and Pakistan, now the tone changed. The propaganda war temporarily halted. Jut because USA's suppies are running out. The supply line is everything in a war. Its all a game. US (not most of the citizens but US Govt and US Army), GO HOME! You suck, You lost
Shut up! That middle finger you used to clean up after yourself today, it stinks. Ya P I _G!
There is a third reason that the author was pretending or did not want to tell you, that is: preventing Pak to fall into India's hand. Pak is the east gate to the oil tank/dollar. If china falls someday and US does not support Pak, there is only one choise left for Pak, back united with India. And that means the biggest oil tank will leak to the east.
Your argument presumes that India wants Pakistan back, which is absurd.
India has enough issues. To add an explosive to the mix would make things worse. Nay, Indians don't want Pakistan. It's only the puffed up, self-important Pakis who imagine such things to feel worthy.
Good Morning.
It will take 3 years to mend relationship with Pakistan.
Osama Bin Laden is alive in Saudi Arabia.
He came back.
Thanks
Regards
Love
Sam Rupani
Houston, Texas, USA
I totally disagree with all that.. plz do not implement or think that some ideas or approaches of some peoples would be of all the nations.... we are not such kind of people... come n see Mr. Zakir... meet with the youth of Pak n see how much we are patriot n hard worker for the nation .. we are all united.. we are all supporter of every our Pak military... without that U will not been able to do survival in Afghanistan.... more than us , we people die in Pakistan due to terrorist attacks.. its all coz of Afghan war on terror...Plz stop blamming of Pakistan nation due to some bad peoples in the upper part of democracy.... plz think n come talk wid us, the youth n the people of Pakistan... n dn't give wrong statistics about any data...
Fareed is of course correct! But he fails to draw the final conclusion, one that has been glaringly obvious for a long time now: the factor all the failed states in the world have in common, as well as all the countries where only tiny minorities have even an inkling of democracy – that factor is Islam.The teachings of that 7th century bandit and killer (addording to the Hadith itself, the ultimate Muslim source!) and his co-authors (the Koran wasn't finished until 60 years after Ol' Mo's death in 632) continue to stupefy the masses and are a cancer in the world. And the few Muslim thinkers (there aren't many) who admit all that publicly have to live in fear for their lives...As far as I am concerned, we should severely restrct Muslim immigration to the West...
Freed; You are short sighted person and I request you to think big. How you will explain USSR failure in Afghanistan. How you explain British defeat in Afghanistan? answer is Afghanistan can not be ruled by outsiders.. Now you blame, Pakis, ISI, CIA for USSR, Turkey for Biritish and so on... . Secondly Afghanistan people are extremely orthodox they will never accept modern world rule- Period. If you conduct free election in Afghanistan Taliban or taliban type party may wiin !! Not Kazai. This the tragic and bitter but true.from last many hundreds years. This the reason area close khaiber is under Taliban type of rule from British time now in Pakistan. Mr please Freed !!! do your home work than write.
Pakistan only started their nuclear program after the surprise test by INDIA, called the “smiling Buda.” Pak did what they had to protect against Indian aggression. Which can be seen still in Kashmir where more than 70,000 people have been killed for asking for their human rights, and 700,000 of Indian soldiers are present in Kashmir even today. Yet the whole international media and the world community is quiet about that, no one wants to mention that or talk about it. Pure injustice and high level of hypocrisy from the states and media.
And this article is just another propaganda against Pakistan Nuclear weapons, just to create fear in people and justify attack to take them away. If any of you want to know the truth, search on internet of all the incidents regarding nuclear weapons, you’ll find that every country, including America have at more than once compromised the security of those weapons, with their carelessness, and yet Pakistan get all the heat.
Just look up Pakistan command and control system of those weapons, and compare it with the rest of the 8 nuclear states.
An Implacable fool
Go or it TowelHead Paki, let the Towels fly, then start Begging Aid from America as more Pakis plot terror attacks from that Aid
well, I think the main reasons behind unrest in Pakistan and Afghanistan is the presence of NATO and ISAF troops in the region.
Everything will be OK if they vacate ASAP.
Pakistan presìdent arrìved today ìn Dubaì at 8 p.m ( Dubaì tìme) and state TV of Pakistan spread false news that He got heart paìn and went to Dubaì for check up.
Pakistan presìdent ìs nowadays ìn very much trouble and specìally Pakistan Army offìcìals are not lìstenìng to hìm after Amerìcan operatìon of 2nd May 2011.
Later Pakistan Army offìcìals kicked out all Amerìcan CİA agents from country whom were present ìn country because frìend of asìf zardarì , Pakistan Ambassador ìn Amerìca Hussaìn Haqqanì, was gìvìng unlìmìted Vìsas to Amerìcan CìA agents to lìve ìn Pakistan and they were doìng spy-work and also fundìng to terrorìst organìzatìons for terrorìsm ìn Pakistan.
Besìdes tensìons wìth Army He ìs also heldìng responsìble for dìaster of 12 top Departments of Pakistan and Wapda, steel mìll, Oìl Gas authorìty, Raìlways , PìA, and more 7 ìnstìtutìons of country are totally ìn dìaster due to corruptìon of asìf zardarì. All matters agaìnst hìm were already ìn Supreme court.
But later matter of Memogate Letter, whìch was completely agaìnst Pakistan Army and was wrìtten to Amerìcan Army chìef, came ìn front and tensìons ìncreased for asìf zardarì.
Tensìons were already present between asìf zardarì but Supreme court stood up before 5 days agaìnst hìs government over Applìcatìon of PML-N chìef Mìah Nawaz sharìf who requested superìor court to ìnvestìgate to Army chìef, İSİ chìef and presìdent asìf zardarì about connectìons wìth Ex Ambassador Hussaìn Haqqanì and about Memogate Letter.
Pakistan Army offìcìals are not agree to gìve Vìsas to Amerìcan CìA agents sìnce September 2011 and thìs ìs reason that all processìons of Shìahs durìng days of Moharam fìnìshed peacefully and nothìng bad happened. Army top offìcìals are breaking relations wìth Amerìca sìnce June 2011 and gìvìng control of ìmportant borders areas to Chìnese Army.
Amerìca brought asìf zardarì for theìr work but Pakistan Army ìs not agree to help Amerìca agaìnst İRAN and so that they pressurìzed Amerìca through Afghanìstan Card to vacate aìr fìelds of balochìstan whìch ìs border area near İRAN.
Amerìca made master plan to destroy Chìna before 11 years and now ìn fìnal phase they want to attack over İRAN through usage of few fìelds of Pakistan.
CìA made plan that when they wìll attack over İRAN from two borders, khyber and Gìlgìt provìnces, than Shìa people ìnsìde Pakistan wìll stand for the help of shìa people of İRAN and thìs wìll create Cìvìl War ìn between of dìfferent groups of Muslìms ìn four attached countrìes, Pakistan, İRAN, Afghanìstan and İRAQ.
CİA made plan that than all these people wìll enter ìn Chìna and bìg Chaos wìll start ìn Muslìms based Sìnkiang provìnce of Chìna.
Asìf zardarì has no cards ìn hands because Mìah Nawaz sharìf wìsely went to Supreme court and now Hussaìn haqqanì cannot leave Pakistan wìthout permìssìon of Supreme court. Now asìf zardarì ìs doìng what Army wants for betterment of country because Army has card of Hussaìn haqqanì ìn hands and ìf asìf zardarì refuse to accept any decìsìon of Army establìshment than they can use Hussaìn haqqanì agaìnst asìf zardarì.
Any person can face Artìcle 6 of the constìtutìon of Pakistan over the sìngle statement of Ex-Ambassador of Pakistan ìn Amerìca Hussaìn haqqanì and Artìcle 6 defìnes that Traìtor of Pakistan wìll face death penalty.
asìf zardarì ìs ìn complete trouble and Amerìcan CìA offìcìals cannot come to Pakistan due to strìct watch of Pakistan Army ìntellìgence and so that asìf zardarì went to Dubaì for SECRET meetìngs wìth CìA offìcìals to fìnd any way agaìnst Pakistan Army establìshment.
لا زلِتُ أذْكُرُ يومَ اختطافي على الطريقِ الواصِلِ بينَ سَاحةِ اللقاءِ ومنطقةِ الوشاش وسطَ بغداد قبْلَ أكثرَ مِنْ أربعِ سنين على يدِ أفرادِ دوريةِ شرطةِ منطقةِ المنصور ثم بيعَهم ليْ إلى ميلشيا جيشِ المهدي الدجال . هكذا بَدأ صاحبي بسرْدِ قصتِه عليَّ بَعْدَ أنْ عَرفَ اهتماماتي في الكتابةِ ضِدَّ الفكرِ الهدمي الشيعي.
يقولُ صاحبي: لازِلْتُ أذْكُرُ السَّاعةَ التي اُختُطِفْتُ فيها كأنَّ أحْدَاثَها تجري للتو . كانتِ السَّاعةُ قدْ تجاوزتْ الثانيةَ ظهراً ، وكانتِ الشوارعُ شِبهَ خاليةٍ إلاَّ مِن بعضِ المارَّة هنا أوْ هناك حينَما استوقفت سيارتي دوريةُ شرطةِ المنصور ، وطالبتْنِي بهويتي التي تقرأ أنَّنِي موظفٌ في دائرةِ استثمارِ أموالِ الوقفِ السُّني حينَها طلبوا مِنَّي التَّرجُلَ مِنَ السَّيارةِ والركوبَ معَهُم وحينَها عرفتُ أنَّهُم مُقدِمُونَ على اختطافي ولاسَّيما بعدَ الحوادثِ المتكررةِ التي كنَّا نسْمَعُ عنْها ونراها أمَامَنا هنا أو هناك ، لمْ استطِعْ أنْ أُقاوِمَ أفرادَ الدَّورية لأنَّهُم كانُوا خمْسَةَ أفرادٍ مسلحين ، ولمْ استَطِعْ أنْ أطْلُبَ النجْدَةَ مِنْ قبلِ بعضِ المارَّةِ الذين بدورِهم أسْرَعُوا في الهُرُوبِ مِنَ المكان . فمنَّيتُ نفسي أنَّهُم رُبَّما يطلقون سراحي بعدَ أنْ يحققوا معي ، ولَكِنَّها كانتْ مُجردَ أُمْنيةٍ أُمّنيّ بها نفسي تشبثاً مِنَّي بهذه الحياةِ. لا أستطيعُ أنْ أصِفَ شعوري وخلجاتِ نفسي في تلك اللحظةِ ؛ فلقد كنْتُ خائفاً جِدّاً وأفكرُّ بأولادي وزوجتي وأمي وأبي ومصِيرِهم مِنْ بعدي ومدى حزنِهم عليَّ.
لم أُطِلْ الوقوفَ والتّوسُلَ بهم والتحايلَ عليهم كي يتركوني لأنَّ عنواني كان واضحاً ، وكان الخورُ والضعفُ قد بلغ مِنّي مبْلَغَه فصعدتُ معهم السيارةَ وأنا كُلّي أمَلٌ في حصولِ معجزةٍ ما ؛ لكنْ سُرعانَ ما اتصلَ أحدُ أفرادِ الدورية بسّيدٍ يُقالُ له سّيد علاء ، وبدأ يساومه في بيعي له . عرفتُ لاحقاً أنَّ السّيد المذكور مسؤولٌ عن بعضِ مجاميعِ ميلشيا مقتدى ، وهنا أدْرَكْتُ أنَّ موتي أصبحَ مسألةَ وقتٍ لا غير. وهكذا تم بيعي ب(100 ألف دينار أي ما يقرب من 75 دولار) وأُخِذْتُ إلى بيتٍ كائنٍ في حي أور ، وأُدْخِلْتُ غرفةً مِنْ غُرَفِهِ فوجدتُ أمامي ثلاثةَ أشْخَاصٍ أحدُهُما شيخٌ كبيرٌ والآخرُ شابٌّ مُرَاهِقٌ لا يتجاوز عمرُهُ (16) سنة والثالث رجلٌ قد جاوز عقدَه الثالث عرفتُ بعدَها أنَّ اسْمَه عُمرُ العبيدي وكانَ رجُلاً صاحبَ دينٍ وملتحياً فرُمِيتُ إلى جنْبِ هؤلاءِ . وبدأ الخاطفون يتصلون بأهلي لمساومتهم على مبلغ عشرين دفتر (200 ألف دولار) بعد أن أسمعوهم صوتي، وبدؤوا يتعاملون مع أهلي ويساومونَهم .
كانت لحظاتٍ عصيبةً جدّاً كُنَّا يومياً نؤخذُ لنُعذَبَ مدة ساعتين أو ثلاثة بشتى أساليبِ التعذيبِ ، ومنْها قلعُ أظافرِنا وثقبُ أجسامِنا بالدريل وسكبُ الماءِ الحارِّ جدَّاً على رؤوسِنا ، وكُنَّا جميعاً جزعين إلاَّ عمر العبيدي فمع أنَّه أكثرُنا تعذيباً من قبلهم إلاَّ أنَّه أجْلَدُنا وأصبَرُنا وكثيراً ما كانتْ تعلو وجهَه ابتسامةٌ صفراءُ ساخرةٌ . لا زلِتُ أذْكُرُ أنَّهم حينَما كانوا يأخذونَه من غرفتنا فإنهم كانوا يجرجرونه من لحيته ، ويشبعونه تعذيباً ، وكنُّا نسمعُ صُراخَه يومياً في الليل ، وكانوا يقولون له : ها أبو جفصة (استهزاءً باسم ابنته حفصة ) ها وهابي (شنو رأيك هسه) .
أذْكُرُ أننَّا كُنَّا في بيتٍ تسكُنُه عائلةٌ نسمعُ صباحاً صوتَ أطفالِهم ونسائهم وصوتَ أعمالِهم المنزلية ، وكنَّا نستغيثُ بهم وليس من مغيث حتى أنَّ الشابَّ المراهِقَ معنا توسل بامرأةٍ عجوزٍ في البيت وخاطبَها بقوله:( يمه الله يخليج بلكي تخلصينا )فالتفت إليه العجوز وهي تقول له: إنجب (اخرس) وهابية .
كان الجميعُ قدْ أيقنَ بالموتِ وطلبوه ودعوا اللهَ أنْ يُخَلِصَهم مِنْ هذا العذابِ الذي هم فيه ، وسُرعانَ ما بدأ التنفيذُ والشروعُ بالقتلِ حينَما همَّت مجموعةٌ بتهيئةِ عمر العبيدي لقتلِه وحينَها سألتُ عمرَ لماذا هذهِ الابتسامةُ على مُحيَّاكَ ؟. فقال أنا أحمدُ اللهَ ربي أنَّني لم أكنْ في يومٍ مِن الأيام مخدوعا بهؤلاء أو مخدوعا بدينهم لقد كنت أعرفهم وأعرف خصَالهم جيدا ، وأعرفُ أنَّ دينَهم هو من يأمرهم بذلك ولهذا أنا حينَما سوف أقابلُ ربي فإنَّي سأقولُ له بملءِ فمي لقد قُتلِتُ مِنْ أجْلِ دينِك ومِنْ أجْلِ حُمَاةِ دينِك صحابةِ رسولِك (صلى اللهُ عليِه وسلم) ومِنْ أجْلِ أنَّني نافحتُ ضِدَّ أعداءِ دينِك . فأنا مُرْتاحٌ اليوم لأنَّني لمْ أكنْ يوماً مخدوعاً بهم . أمَّا أنتم وأمثُالكم كثيرٌ من أهلِ السُّنةِ فلا زلتُم إلى هذا اليومِ وأنتُم أحْدُ شخصين ، شخصٌ لا يعرف لماذا هذا الحقدُ عليه ، وشخصٌ يعرف لكنَّه يقولُ ليسوا سواء – أي ليس جميعهم حاقدين وقتلة – .
لم يكد عمر العبيدي يُكْمِلُ كلامَه حتى سمِعْنا صوتَ جلبةٍ أمَامَ البابِ وإذا بمجموعةٍ تدخلُ علينا الغرفةَ لتقتاد عمر ، وتنفذَ فيه حكمَ الإعدامِ كما عرفنا ذلك لاحقاً .
بَعْدَ يومين مِنْ هذهِ الحادِثةِ تَمَّتْ مداهمةُ الموقعِ الذي نَحْنُ فيه مِنْ قِبلِ الجيشِ الأمريكي ، وأطُلِقَ سراحُنا ، ولم يُعْتَقلْ الخاطفون كالعادة.
سكتَ صديقي قليلاً ، ورفعْنا أيديَنا بالدعاءِ بالرحمةِ والمغفرةِ لعمر العبيدي ( رَحِمَهُ اللهُ تعالى) وجميعَ شهداءِِ أهْلِ السُّنة المغدورين.
في هذه الأثْناءِ دَخَلتْ علينا زوجةُ صديقي المخطوف لتُقَدِمَ لنا الشاي والبسكويت وقد سَمِعَتْ أطرافَ حديثِنا فقالتْ: واللهِ أنا لا اعرِفُ إلى هذا اليومِ لماذا كلُّ هذا الحقدِ عنْدَ بعضِ الشيعةِ على أهلِ السُّنةِ ... وهنا التفتُ حانقاً إلى صديقي الذي طأطأ رأسَه خجلا...
أحقاً يُوجدُ اليوم مَنْ لا يعِرفُ لماذا استشرى بنا القتلُ والتهجيرُ وانتهاكُ الأعراضِ وسرقةُ الأموالِ والممتلكات ؟... أوْ يعِرفُ ويعتقدُ أنَّهُم ليسُوا سواء .. حقَّاً لا أعرِفُ ، وأتمنى لو أعرِفُ
Mr. Zakaria, i believe you have your facts wrong.. Pakistan Army had been fighting America's war for which the army got reimbursements, not aid.. And while you may be talking about aid allotted, please check the figure for aid received by Pakistan.. And if Pakistan is funding the taliban, why do they attack them back? Pakistan has turned more militant after 2001, mainly because of the presence of foreign troops in af-pak, drone attacks, taliban backlash, and comments from the US undermining Pakistan's efforts.. but its okay, your article is just hypocritical, as always expected from you..
إنَّ المُتَفحِصَ الجيدَ لأخبارِ السياسةِ في هذا البلدِ أوْ ذاك يستطيعُ بسهولةٍ الوقوفَ على خُدَعِ السياسةِ وانْتهازيةِ الساسةِ ؛ فالسياسةُ لا مكانَ فيها للأخلاق – هكذا يزعم منظرو الأبيقورية والميكافيلية – فلا توجدُ صداقاتٌ دائمةٌ ولا عداواتٌ دائمةٌ وإنَّما هناك مصالحُ دائمةٌ ؛ فالمصلحةُ والمنفعةُ هما فقط ما يحدد الأُطرَ العامةَ لتوجيهِ السياسةِ بهذا الاتجاهِ أوْ ذاك .
- المرجعية الشيعية والابيقورية
كُنَّا نَظُّنُ- وبعضُ الظنِّ إثمٌ – أنَّ الساسةَ الشيعةَ لنْ يقَعُوا في فخِّ أبيقور أوْ هكذا ظَنَنَّا بِحُكْمِ أنَّ السياسي الشيعي كالطبيب الشيعي وكالاسكافي الشيعي بل وكالفنان الشيعي والرياضي الشيعي ...الخ إنَّما يتحركون في فلكِ المرجعية – التي ما رَكِبَتْ سَفِينةَ النجاةِ هي وأتباعُها إلاَّ بثباتِها على المبادئ الحُسَينيةِ – ، وكان غالبُ ظنِّنا أنَّهمْ لنْ يُحاولُوا رُكوبَ حِصَانينِ في آنٍ معاً وذلك لأنَّه يتعارضُ مع المبدئية التي فرضَها الإسلامُ على معتنقيه والتي جسدها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم الذي لم يساوم الكفار على دينِه، أوْ كمبدَئيِّةِ الحُسين بن عليٍّ (رضي اللهُ عنْهُما) في مقارعةِ الظُلْمِ الأمَويِّ – بزعمِهِم- إلاَّ أنَّنا وجَدْنا الشيعةَ على غيرِ ذلك.
فمن ذاتيات النفسيةَ الشيعيةَ المُقُوِمَةِ لها – كما يقولُ أهْلُ المنْطِقِ- أنَّها تُحاوِلُ دائماً أنْ تفعلَ الشيءَ ونقيضَه – والنقيضانِ أمرانِ لا يجتمعان كما أنَّهُمَا لا يرتفعان – وبمعنىً آخر تُحاوِلُ النفسيةُ الشيعيةُ أنْ ترْكبَ حِصَانينِ معاً – ولو كانا متباعدين – لتحقيقِ أكْبرِ قدرٍ مُمكِنٍ مِنَ المكاسبِ الماديةِ والمعنويةِ ولا نُريدُ هنا استقراءَ التأريخِ المؤكدِ لهذهِ الحقيقةِ المُخْزيةِ لأنَّ هذا الأمرَ يَطولُ ؛ ولكنَّنا لوْ فَعلْنا ذلك لوجدْنا مصداقَ ذلك من خلالِ أمثلةٍ كثيرةٍ ومتكررةٍ لعلَّ أوضَحَها وأشهرَها قضيةُ تعاونِ الشيعةِ معَ العدّوِ الخارجي وصيرورتُهم حصانَ طروادةَ له وركوبُهم حصانَ العمالةِ في الوقتِ الذي يزعمونَ فيه أنَّهم يركبُون حصانَ الوطنية.
قد يحْلُو لِبعْضِِهم توصيفُ هذه الحالةِ كمرضٍ نفساني ، والمُصابُونَ بهِ يُصَنَفُونَ في خانةِ المرضى النفسانيين . نعم قد يكونُ الأمرُ كذلك ؛ فالتشيع هو دينُ العقدِ النفسيةِ والأمراضِ الفكريةِ والعاهاتِ العقليةِ الدائمةِ إلا أنَّ السؤالَ سيبقى مُلِحَّاً عنْ سببِ ذلك بغضِّ النظرِ عن التوصيفِ العلمي لهذه الظاهرة .
من المعروفِ أنَّ الشيعي مَهمَا كان عنوانُه فهو ابنُ المرجعيةِ الذيْ لا يحيدُ عنْها – بسببِ المصلحةِ المشتركةِ بينَ الفردِ الشيعي والمرجعية ؛ فالفردُ يستفيدُ من المرجعيةِ الغطاءَ الشرعيَ لكلِّ ممارساتِه ما دامَ أنَّه متواصلٌ في تقديمِ قرابينِ الطاعةِ لها وحريصٌ على أداءِ واجباتِه الماليةِ تجاهَ هذا المرجعِ أوْ ذاك – وإذا كان هو ابن المرجعية فكيف يسوغُ للفردِ الشيعي أنْ يفعلَ الشيَء ونقيضَه .
إنَّ السببَ الذيْ يَجْعلُ الشيعي يركب حصانين معا ( حصان الوطنية والعمالة)- وهو في كلِّ ذلك لا يشعرُ بوخزِ الضميرِ أوْ ألمِ الإثمِ – يعودُ إلى أنَّ الرمْزَ وهو هنا المرجعية هي ذاتُها تفعلُ هذا الأمرَ مِراراً وتَكراراً وعلى مرِّ التاريخِ الغابرِ والحاضرِ، وإنَّ أسوءَ دهاليزِ السياسةِ مهما اشتدَّتْ عتمتُها فهي لنْ تكونَ أشدَّ حلكةً وظلمةً من دهاليزِ البرانيات في النجف وقم .
- شيعةُ لبنان وركوبُ حصانين
شيعةُ لبنان – حالُهم حالُ بقيةِ الشيعةِ في كُلِّ مكانٍ – يُحاوِلُون أنْ يَركَبُوا حصانَ الوطنيةِ مِنْ خلالِ إظهارِ العداوةِ المُعْلنةِ لإسرائيل وتسويقِ الشعاراتِ والخطاباتِ ومفرداتِ الأرضِ والتحريرِ والإسلامِ والصهاينةِ والوحدةِ والتكاتفِ ونحوِها .
وهُمْ في الوقتِ نفسِه يَركبُون حصانَ العَمَالةِ لإيران وإسرائيل وتحقيقِ سياسةِ الطرفين في لبنان والمِنطقةِ ، وإذا كانَ هذا الأمرُ ليس غريباً بالنسبة لإيران بِحُكْمِ أنَّ الشيعةَ في دُولِ العالمِ كُلِّها هي أفراخٌ لإيران ؛ فإنَّ الغريب أنْ يكونَ هذا الحزبُ عميلاً إسرائيلياً بامتياز حينَما يحمي الحُدُودَ لإسرائيل ، وكما صرح بذلك صبحي الطفيلي الأمين العام لحزب اللات السابق في مقابلةٍ له لقناة العربية الفضائية والذي ذكرَ أنَّ الحزبَ بات هو الحامي الفعلي للمستوطنات الإسرائيلية.
ويؤكدُ هذا المعنى بداهةُ العقولِ التيْ ترفضُ أنْ تقبلَ إسرائيلُ بوجودِ خطرٍ محدقٍ بها على بعدِ عدةِ كيلومترات وهي تمتلكُ النزعةَ الشريرةَ والقدرةَ الكاملةَ والقويةَ لتغييرِ هذا الواقع .
مع افتراضِ وجودِ تهديدٍ فعليٍ لـ( حزب الله ) ، ومعَ كُلِّ ذلك لا يتغيرُ أيُّّ شيءٍ مِنْ هذا الواقعِ . فهذا الأمرُ يُشيرُ – ولا ريبَ – إلى وجودِ نوعٍ مِنَ التفاهمِ أوْ بالأحرى نوعٍ مِنَ المصالحِ المشتركةِ في بقاءِ هذه الحالِ على ما هيَ عليْهِ . لذا فإنَّ أيَّ انجازٍ يدَّعيه حزبُ اللاتِ هو انجازٌ موهومٌ ومرتبٌ بين الطرفين ، وإذا كانت شعاراتُه الجوفاء تنطلي على من لم يَخْبُرْ أساليبَ الشيعةِ فإنَّها لنْ تنْطَلِيَ على مَنْ يقرأ ما وراء السطور وعايشَ هؤلاءِ اللقطاءِ مدى الأيام والعصور .
- في سبيل التشيع لا في سبيل الله..
إنَّ الفصائلَ الشيعيةَ فيْ لبنان لم تستطعْ يوماً أنْ تكونَ وطنيةً وإنْ ادعتْ ذلك تحتَ مظلةِ محاربةِ العدوِّ الصهيوني ويؤكدُ هذا التحليلَ التاريخُ القريبُ الموثقُ ولا بأسَ باستعراضِ بعضِه:
1- ذكرت وكالة رويتر في تقرير لها من النبطية في 1/7/1982: ( إن القوات الصهيونية التي احتلت البلد سمحت لمنظمة أمل بأن تحتفظ بالمليشيات الخاصة التابعة لها وبحمل جميع ما لديها من أسلحة . وصرح أحد قادة مليشيات منظمة أمل[التي انخرط معظم مقاتليها فيما بعد في 'حزب الله' بعد أن أبدلت إيران هذا بذاك] ويدعى حسن مصطفى أن هذه الأسلحة ستستخدم في الدفاع عنا ضد الفلسطينيين( السنة) ، وبعد أن أعلنت إسرائيل عن عزمها الانسحاب من لبنان ضاعفت منظمة أمل من مطاردتها للقوات الفلسطينية في بيروت الغربية والجنوبية، وفي جنوب لبنان).
2- ذكرت صحيفة (الجروزاليم بوست) الليكودية في عدد لها بتاريخ 23/5/1985 : ( إنه لا ينبغي تجاهل تلاقي مصالح أمل وإسرائيل، التي تقوم على أساس الرغبة المشتركة في الحفاظ على منطقة جنوب لبنان وجعلها منطقة آمنة خالية من أي هجمات ضد إسرائيل.. إن إسرائيل ترددت حتى الآن في تسليم أمل مهمة الحفاظ على الأمن والقانون على الحدود بين فلسطين ولبنان، وإن الوقت قد حان لأن تعهد إسرائيل إلى أمل بهذه المهمة).
3- وفي تقرير نشرته مجلة الأسبوع العربي بتاريخ 24/10/ 1983عن مقابلة أجرتها المجلة مع حيدر الدايخ أحد قادة أمل في الجنوب جاء فيها): وصلنا إلى معسكر حيدر الدايخ.. وكانت عناصره ترتدي الثياب العسكرية وتحمل الأسلحة.. بعضهم لم يتجاوز العشرين وبعضهم أطلق لحيته فأدركنا عندئذ أن هذه العناصر من أفراد الجيش الشيعي، وأن إسرائيل هي التي تدربهم. اقتربنا من حيدر الدايخ في وسط المعسكر ، وقد كُتب على بعض السيارات (قوات كربلاء) وسألنا حيدر عن سبب التسمية فقال: موقعة كربلاء لها مدلولات كثيرة في نظري، هي مأساة الإمام الحسين الذي حارب الظلم، ونحن نحارب الظلم.
وسألنا أحد عساكر الدايخ عن سبب حمله السلاح فأجاب: إن السبب في حملي السلاح يعود إلى المخاطر التي تتعرض لها الطائفة الشيعية وإلى التفتت الذي قد يعترضها في المستقبل.
وسألنا حيدر الدايخ : هل تعتبر أن تسميتكم الجيش الشيعي تعود إلى أن عناصركم من الطائفة الشيعية ؟ فقال: نحن في منطقة شيعية وجميع عناصري ( أولاد الجنوب اللبناني ) هم من الطائفة الشيعية، لكن هذا لا يعني أننا طائفيون، بل ليس لدينا أي بعد أو تفكير طائفي، يا أخي إذا كنا شيعة ماذا نفعل ؟ هل نغير هويتنا ؟ هل نغير طائفتنا كي نرضي بعض الناس ؟ نحن لا يمكن أن نتخلى عن هذه الهوية، ولا يمكن أن ننكر بأننا إسلام.
ثم يمضي الدايخ في حديثه: " كنا نحمل السلاح قبل دخول إسرائيل إلى الجنوب، ومع ذلك فإنها فتحت لنا يدها وأحبت أن تساعدنا فقامت باقتلاع الإرهاب الفلسطيني ( السني ) من الجنوب وغيرها ولن نستطيع أن نرد لها الجميل ولن نطلب منها أي شيء لكي لا نكون عبئًا عليها).
- الخُلاصة
هذا هو تاريخُ شيعةِ لبنان . كيف أنَّهم كانُوا ولا زالُوا أداةً بيدِ المحتلِ الإسرائيلي والإيراني لإضعافِ لبنان وتدميرِهِ وتدميرِ الوجودِ (السُّني) على أراضِيه ، وأمَّا شعاراتُهم الجوفاء عن الوطنيةِ والوحدةِ الإسلاميةِ وتحريرِ القُدسِ والوحدةِ الإسلاميةِ فما هيَ إلا هواءٌ في شبك لخداعِ السُّذجِ مِنْ أهْلِ السُّنة – وما أكثرهم
لا يتعلم العملاء من دروس التاريخ ، فهم مدفوعون باحقاد متجذرة في نفوسهم على كل ما هو عراقي وعربي ، فمع اقتراب موعد الانسحاب الامريكي المفترض من العراق تسارعت خطوات المهزومين باتجاه التخلص من قادة العراق في الاسر في اقرب وقت ، سواء باساءة معاملتهم اكثر مما سبق بمنع الدواء والعلاج عنهم لاجل قتلهم ، او التهديد بتنفيذ الاعدام بهم كما حصل مع شيخ الاسرى المناضل طارق عزيز . ان المزيج الواضح من الحقد والرعب من تحرير العراق هو الذي يدفع العملاء في بغداد للتهديد باعدام قادة العراق الاحرار والشرعيين ، ولكن هؤلاء لا يفهمون التاريخ ولذلك لا يأخذون العبر منه ، فالتاريخ يقول بان الاعدامات التي تنفذ للتخلص من الاحرار تزيد لهيب الثورة اشتعالا بدل اخمادها ، وامامنا مشهد اغتيال سيد شهداء العصر القائد صدام حسين حيث تحول الاغتيال الى مناسبة لزيادة عزلة الاحتلال والعملاء وتوسع شعبية القائد الشهيد والبعث .
واذا كان العملاء يعتقدون بانهم سيفلتون من عقاب الشعب فهم واهمون ، لان جرائمهم اكبر من ان تمر بلا عقاب ، ومنها اغتيال مئات القادة وتصفية الاف الكوادر المقاومة للاحتلال ، واعتقال عشرات الالاف من معارضي الاحتلال ، بالاضافة لتدمير العراق وتبديد وسرقة ثرواته علنا بحيث اصبح العراق المحتل في مقدمة الدول الفاسدة والفاشلة . ومهما اعتقد العملاء بان الاغتيالات سوف تضعف الثورة المسلحة ضد الاحتلال فان النتائج ستظهر لتؤكد بان الدم كلما سفك زاد لهيب الثورة وعجل موعد الحسم .
ان طارق عزيز يمثل احد اهم الوجوه المشرقة والمشرفة للعراق الحر والمستقل والسيد وصانع انجازات التقدم العلمي والتكنولوجي ، وهو كان يعد من افضل الديبلوماسيين في العالم ووصل امر الاعتراف بقدراته حد ان جورج بوش الاب حينما كان رئيسا ، وبعد فشل المفاوضات في عام 1991 بين وفد العراق برسائة طارق عزيز والوفد الامريكي برئاسة جيمس بيكر وزير خارجية امريكا وقتها ، قال امام بيكر وغيره بانه يتمنى لو كان لديه وزير خارجية بمواصفات طارق عزيز . هؤلاء هم رجالات العراق العظام سواء الاسرى منهم او من استشهد ومن مازال يقاوم الاحتلال بلا كلل .
ان اسرانا يخطون بتضحياتهم تاريخا مشرف للعراق ةوالامة العربية ، بصمودهم ورفضهم الانحناء لغطرسة الاحتلال ووحشية عملاءه ، وهم يعرفون منذ البداية بان درب تحرير الوطن وتحقيق اهداف الشعب ليس نزهة وانما هي تضحيات كبرى لا تنتهي الا بتحقيق اهداف الشعب ، ولذلك كانت وقفة رفاقنا وهم في الاسر مشرفة وتجلى ذلك في تمسكهم بمصلحة الشعب ورفضهم الرضوخ لتهديدات بالموت رغم ممارسة ابشع انواع التعذيب معهم وحرمانهم من ابسط حقوق الانسان الاسير ومنها العلاج وتوفير الدواء .
البعث الذي كان ومازال يناضل من اجل تحرر الامة وتحقيق المجتمع الخالي من الفقر والامية والمرض ...الخ وهذه الاهداف لا تتحقق الا بتضحيات مناضليه الذين يعرفون ان الاعدامات والاغتيالات مصير متوقع ومحسوب ، مثلما يعرفون ان الموت دفاعا عن الوطن هو خير خاتمة للحياة ، ففي النهاية جميعنا سنموت في يوم ما ولذلك فان اختيار الموت المشرف هو احد سمات صناع التاريخ والحضارات والتغييرات العظمى في مسار الانسانية . في ضوء ما تقدم فان التهديد بتنفيذ الاعدامات او تنفيذها فعلا لن يوقف مسيرة تحرير العراق واعادة العراق الى حالة الدعالة والاستقلال والامن وامان لمواطنيه كلهم بل على العكس سيزيد اصرار الثوار على التعجيل بالنصر وطرد الاحتلال وعملاءه .
وهنا لابد من تكرار التنبيه الى ان ما يسمى منظمات حقوق الانسان التي كانت تنظم الحملات الضخمة ضد العراق تحت واجهات خرق حقوق الانسان وكانت حملاتها احد اهم ممهدات غزو العراق تلتزم الصمت المطبق الان تجاه معاناة اسرانا وتعرضهم لاشد انواع خرق حقوق الانسان وعلنا ، ومع ذلك لا تفعل هذه المنظمات شيئا وكأن الامر لا يعنيها ! واذا كانت الدعوة لحماية حقوق الانسان جادة فان من الحتمي معاملة كل البشر بصورة متساوية لا ان تجري عمليات انتقاء وتزوير وتضخيم من اجل الدفاع عمن تريد امريكا حمايتهم لكن مناهضي الاحتلال الامريكي لا ينالون اي قدر من كشف ما يقع عليهم من مظالم .
وبهذه المناسبة فاننا نكرر دعوتنا للكتاب والصحفيين الاحرار في العراق وفي الوطن العربي لرفع اصواتهم دفاعا عن اسرانا وكشفا لما يتعرضون له من مظالم فظيعة ، وذلك احد اهم واجباتهم الوطنية والاعلامية والاخلاقية ، والصمت بازاء ما يحصل لاسرانا ليس سوى خيانة للامانة ونكوص عن مسار النضال الوطني والتحرري ، والتاريخ الان يسجل كل شيء .
المجد لاسرانا الشهداء الاحياء وفي مقدمتهم شيخ الاسرى القائد طارق عزيز .
تحية لرفاقنا الصامدين في سجون الاحتلال والعملاء .
الأثنين 12 ديسمبر 2011
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الكاتب: عبد الله الدليمي (*) :: خاص بالقادسية
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فالتشيع دين معادٍ للإسلام ويعمل على تقويضه من الداخل، سلاحه في ذلك النفاق الذي ينطلي على الكثير من أهل السنة "الطيبين". ومخطئ من يظن أن ما بيننا وبينهم مجرد اختلافات ثانوية في الفروع دون الأصول. فأركان الإسلام عندهم غيرها عندنا: صلاتهم غير صلاتنا، وصومهم ليس كصومنا (من حيث التوقيت وبعض التفاصيل الأخرى)، وزكاتهم لا تشبه زكاتنا، وهكذا بالنسبة للحج. أما بالنسبة للقرآن الذي هو دستور المسلمين فهو محرف بزعمهم. بل حتى أعيادنا لا يشتركون معنا فيها. وقل الشيء عينه عن المناسبات التاريخية الإسلامية، فما يسرنا منها يسوؤهم وما يسوؤنا يسرهم. ورموز الإسلام الذين نجلهم يلعنهم الشيعة ويسبونهم، والمصائب التي ألمت بالأمة الإسلامية كمقتل سيدينا عمر وعثمان – رضي الله عنهما- يتخذون من تواريخها أعيادا يجددون فيها أفراحهم – وهذا ما لم يفعله اليهود ولا النصارى.
ويكفي الشيعة بعدا عن الإسلام ابتداعهم ركنا جديدا لم ينزل به الله من سلطان، وهو "الإمامة" التي تلزم – بزعمهم- الاعتقاد بولاية علي (رضي الله عنه) وأحقيته في الخلافة وتكفير من يقدم الخلفاء الثلاثة (رضي الله عنهم) عليه. وحسب هذا الركن المخترع، فإن جميع أهل السنة كفار- ما يفسر إيغالهم في دمائنا وأعراضنا ومقدراتنا في العراق وغيره.
وهنا أهيب بكل سني يرجو من الشيعة خيرا أو يعول على شراكتهم في الوطن أن يعيد النظر في ظنه بهم، وأن يسترشد بمصادرنا ومصادرهم والتاريخ – قديمه وحديثه- ليدرك حقيقة الدين الشيعي.
ولمن لا يزال يتغنى بـالشعار الزائف: "إخوان سنة وشيعة... هذا الوطن منبيعه"، أقول: أزل الغطاء عن قلبك وعينيك لتدرك بأن الحقيقة هي: "دينان سنة وشيعة... صار الوطن للشيعة".
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يصر الشيعة على إضفاء صفة "الوطنية" على حكومة بغداد الإقصائية الاجتثاثية، ويزعمون بأنها تمثل كافة أطياف الشعب العراقي. وهذا محض افتراء لا يصمد أمام حقيقة كون حكومتهم حكومة إيرانية بامتياز. أما الساسة السنة المشتركون في الحكومة فلا يشكلون سوى "ديكور" لإيهام الرأي العام في العراق وخارجه بأن الحكومة تمثل العراقيين على اختلاف مسمياتهم وانتماءاتهم. فأعضاء الحكومة من السنة هم إما مجردون من الصلاحيات أو مضمونو الولاء للمالكي والأحزاب الموالية له.
وهنا أود أن أهمس في أذن السياسيين السنة المشاركين في الحكومة: إما أن تفضي مشاركتكم في الحكومة إلى درء مفاسد أو جلب منافع لأهل السنة، وتكون لكم صلاحياتكم واستحقاقاتكم الحقيقية كاملة دون نقصان... أو الانحياز إلى مقاومة سنية بشتى الوسائل حتى نأخذ حقوقنا بأيدينا، فالحقوق تنتزع ولا تمنح. ومن ليس لديه قوة لا مكان له في عالم السياسة.
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حب الوطن والحرص عليه أمر فطري، لكن يجب ألا يقدم على الدين الذي يفترض أن يكون على رأس أولويات المسلم الحقيقي. ولا تعارض – في الوضع الطبيعي – بين العمل للوطن والعمل للدين.
أما في حالة العراق اليوم، فالوضع غير طبيعي، حيث وضع الشيعة أهل السنة أمام مفترق طرق ليختاروا بين أمرين لا ثالث لهما: توحيد الله أو توحيد التراب. وانقسم أهل السنة بين هذين المفترقين، فالعلمانيون والقوميون والبعثيون آثروا وحدة التراب على وحدانية الله، فلم يجنوا أيا منهما. أما المسلمون الواعون والمدركون أن الدين هو المقدم على كل ما سواه (وفي مقدمتهم جنود القادسية العاملين في هذا الموقع المبارك)، فقد آثروا عقيدتهم على التراب الذي يجمعهم بأعداء الله وأعدائهم، فأخذوا على عاتقهم العمل من أجل الحفاظ على الدين والأرواح والكرامة لأهل السنة الذين أصبحوا هدفا للحقد الرافضي الدفين.
وقد نتفهم تقديم العلمانيين للوطن على الدين لأنهم أصلا لا يأبهون بالدين وتعاليمه ولا يقدمون أنفسهم على أنهم مسلمون، لكن أنّى لنا أن نفهم تقديم نخبة من "علماء المسلمين" لحدود سايكس- بيكو على العقيدة التي هي أغلى ما لدينا والتي نتعرض من أجلها لحملة شرسة من قبل الحكومة الشيعية لسلخنا منها؟
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والكلام هنا موجه لمن يدعون إلى "التقريب" بين السنة والشيعة – استنادا إلى اعتبار الشيعة – خطأ – مذهبا من المذاهب الإسلامية كالمذهب الحنفي والشافعي والحنبلي والمالكي. وهذا استناد ينطوي على أحد أمرين: إما جهل بكلا الدينين السني والشيعي، وإما نية خبيثة تريد إلباس الحق بالباطل.
إن الداعين إلى هذا "التقريب" يغفلون عن حقيقة أن الشيعي لا يكون شيعيا ما لم يؤمن بإمامة علي – رضي الله عنه – دون غيره... تلك الخرافة التي اخترعتها أهواؤهم وكفرونا على أساسها. ولا أدري كيف يكفروننا ويستحلون دماءنا وأموالنا ويعيثون في أرضنا فسادا، ولا يزال منا من يحسن الظن بهم ويرتجي معهم تقاربا هو أقرب إلى التقارب بين الدر والبعر!
ومن هنا أدعو علماءنا من أهل الفتوى – مجامع فقهية وأفرادا- إلى تحمل مسؤوليتهم في بيان حكم الشيعة بفتوى صريحة لا مواربة فيها كما فعل أسلافنا مالك وأحمد وابن تيمية والقاضي عياض والأسفراييني وغيرهم. فلا يكفي القول بكفر علمائهم والتوقف في عوامهم حتى تقام عليهم الحجة. وإن كان علماؤهم كفارا فكيف يسمح لهم بدخول بيت الله الحرام الذي لا يحل لكافر دخوله؟ وإن كان لا بد من إقامة الحجة على عوامهم قبل الحكم عليهم، فأين جهود إقامة الحجة عليهم؟ وهل يصح ترك الأمر معلقا هكذا ليكون الفرق بين المسلم والكافر عائما كل هذه الفترة؟
إن التفريق بين علماء الشيعة وعوامهم في الحكم غير مجدٍ وليس منطقيا، فلولا عوام الشيعة ما ساد معمموهم وسياسيوهم الذين يتبادلون أدوار الإجرام بحقنا بشكل متناغم. لذلك يجب العمل على إقامة الحجة عليهم لوضع النقاط على الحروف بما هو متاح من وسائل كالقنوات الفضائية ومواقع الإنترنت وسائر وسائل الإعلام، ولا بأس أن يستغرق ذلك سنة كاملة مثلا ليختار بعدها هؤلاء العوام إما اتباع معمميهم الذين ثبت لدينا كفرهم، وإما اتباع الدين الحق لنميز المسلم من الكافر ونضع حدا لهذا التمييع.
فعوام الشيعة يقلدون معمميهم ويسوقون لهم، ويأتمرون بأمرهم فيحرمون ما أحل الله ويحلون ما حرم الله من خلال:
- الإفطار في رمضان يوم يصوم المسلمون، والصوم يوم يفطرون.
- تأخير العيدين ليوم أو يومين مخالفة للمسلمين (للتوافق مع ماما إيران).
- منح أصواتهم الانتخابية لجلاديهم ليصلوا إلى مناصب حكومية يقومون من خلالها "بواجبهم" في ذبحنا على الطريقة "المجوسية".
- دفع الأموال كنذور وأتاوات (خمس) لتماسيحهم وأفاعيهم المعممة ليسخروها في محاربة الإسلام والمسلمين ونشر دينهم المجوسي.
- تقديم نسائهم وبناتهم فرائس لمعمميهم لممارسة الزنى باسم المتعة، وبالتالي نشر الأيدز وسائر الأمراض الصحية والاجتماعية.
- العمل كقطعان في مواكب اللطم والتطبير والتجمعات التي يؤججون فيها أحقادهم وثاراتهم ضدنا، ويسبون فيها رموزنا الذين أثنى عليهم الله في كتابه.
- تشكيل المليشيات الإجرامية كجيش المهدي وفيلق بدر وغيرهما لقتل أهل السنة وهدم مساجدهم.
هذا غيض من فيض من شرور القوم – عوامهم وخواصهم – ولا أدري ما الذي ينتظره علماؤنا؟ وكم من الضحايا علينا أن نقدم أكثر لجلادي الشيعة لكي يقتنعوا بوضع حد لهذا التمييع الذي طال أمده!
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عصابات ترسم الخريطة السياسية للعراق – مهزلة
الصدر مجرم مطلوب بمذكرة لجرائم قتل و اخر ارهابي يتخلى عن السلاح و الارهابيين من حزب الله و فوقهم مفتي الديار العراقية السيستاني الذي اجاز احتلال العراق ماذا يجمعهم؟ . الجواب ايران. فهي كالافعى تبث السم و تنهب خيرات عراقنا العظيم و تسيرهم بالريموت. ولكن سيأتييوم يهب فيه الخيرين الاحرار في وجه هذة العصابات العميلة ونتخلص من هيمنة الفرس
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