By Fareed Zakaria, CNN
Tom Friedman recently wrote a sharp op-ed on "The Arab Awakening and Israel" in which he quoted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu speaking before the Knesset in late November. Netanyahu said the Arab awakening was moving the Arab world "backward" and turning into an "Islamic, anti-Western, anti-liberal, anti-Israeli, undemocratic wave."
I agree with Tom Friedman that Netanyahu's view of the Arab Spring is wrong - in fact it is bizarre given recent events. In Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt, the moderate Islamic groups that are assuming power have made it clear that they intend to respect minority rights, work within the system, maintain and enhance democracy and strengthen the rule of law. In the Egyptian case, a more fundamentalist party is, in fact, outflanking the Muslim Brotherhood on the right because the Brotherhood ended up being so moderate. Now, there may well be reversals in some areas as these parties try to impose their social conservatism on the societies, but that does not make them necessarily undemocratic.
For decades, political Islam was the language through which people resisted dictatorial regimes. That gave these parties a special status, a kind of halo effect, which has helped them once the dictators fell. But is it likely that these forces will have staying power? Will they generate coherent governing philosophies that people buy into? The answer is: Only if they are competent at governing. And to be competent at governing and to stay in power, these groups have to moderate themselves. The history of countries from Indonesia to Pakistan suggests that over time, the more radical political elements lose their popular appeal because their mystical attraction was tied up in their opposition to the dictatorships. Once the dictatorships go, their appeal dwindles.
So far, nothing justifies Netanyahu's extreme pessimism about the Arab Spring. Sure, Egypt has taken a harder line on Israel and demonstrated stronger support for the Palestinians, but we always knew that was going to happen because the publics in these countries have long felt this way. Washington either bullied or bribed the dictators to suppress popular views on foreign policy. This shift is an example of democracy in action not anti-democratic forces!
Despite the shift, there is no indication that Egypt or Tunisia now wants to wage war on Israel. The broader change in these countries is that they are now much more concerned about themselves – about good governance, social justice and economic growth. When you go to Egypt today, the vast majority of people talk about their own domestic politics. Yes, people have very tough views on Israel, but mostly what they're concerned about is what's going on at home. As Tip O'Neill said, all politics is local.
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I believe that there are billions of people who don't want any type of Islam that punishes people for not wearing cover over your face or for driving a car, among some other things. It is already bad enough that most people already punish others for being naked and eating the wrong things.
No there aren't billions, those "billions" live in strict Islamic societies that kill women and ban women from living a full life. Are you that ignorant or foolish? Look at the stories! Truth lies in the stats, not in hope that they will be like Muslims in the US. Muslims in the US and Canada escaped that are are great but those numbers are few. They must look at the Islamic countries shaking their heads wondering why in the same way that any religious person watches immolation of a gender in horror.
Dear Ann!
Ignorance is the biggest enemy of our time; you need to talk to some muslim women who converted to Islam in North America; why would they do that at the age of 20 or 21 living in North America; what make them do this all and you must know there are thousands of them now and 80% of these converts are women and 75% of these women are in age group of 18-30.
@Tasneem
Ignorance my dear Tasneem. That's elementary.
Please don't talk about things you don't know. Islam was never about covering women or not letting them drive. and yes there are billions of muslims, myself included, that want to have absolute freedom for men and women.
@Mouf
While your disappointment is understood and your 'thoughts' are appreciated, it is unfortunate still that most of YOU only think/want. Most often on this forum, the likes of YOU keep busy managing the image of your religion. IF on the other hand you made effective efforts, YOUR culture would EARN respect. YOU wouldn't have to defend it using all means available. THINK!
@Ann Marie: "Truth lies in the stats"! Beware of statistics.
The urge for self-fulfilment and doing what one wants is universal and human. So what the people in the Arab world want has nothing to do with democracy, because the word democracy sounds so Western and let autocrats put the blame on the West for inciting protesters.
Mouf: then why is it that only in Islamic countries women have to cover their faces? It might not be stated in Quran but it is implied and there is where the problem lies. The genocidal epileptic warmongering Mohammud started that crap with his women. Guess who is the perfect example for Muslims?
Absolutely, islam is nothing but a political, misogyny, anti West machine. Then they come here and want to i stall the same laws here so they can slaughter women with impunity.
You people all seem to think that the tribal societies of Saudi Arabia and the madness of the Taliban are indicative of Islam as a whole. Do you people know that Indonesia is the worlds most populous Islamic country? Women there don't wear burkas. Some of them may choose to wear a headscarf but how is that any different than the Jewish tradition of covering one's head? How about Turkey? Do you think they are wearing burkas there? When I was in Morocco some women wore chadors, some wore abayas, and some wore veils, but many also wore western clothing as they saw fit. Freedom means letting people make choices you may not agree with. If you believe in freedom as something more than just a catchphrase you have to support the right of people to make their own choices. No one should be *forced* to wear a burka just as no one should be forced to wear jeans. However, no one should be prevented from it either.
Ahh the ignorance. I find it funny that these ignorant people make such childish comments. I guess what else can you expect from fox (false) news watchers? I think it's pretty funny that these people are trying soooo hard to put down Islam but it just keeps growing and growing. haha. We're going to be the majority one day whether you like it or not so just get use to it.
And to my fellow Muslims, you don't need to explain anything to the stubborn ignorant people. Only educate those who are willing to learn. Don't waste your time on such maniacs. They're going to criticize us no matter what we do or how we do it. Ignoring them is the best remedy. If you stop paying attention to them, they'll stop talking. They only attract people who are within their own hate cults. In an actual intellectual live debate, they would never prosper.
Quran 24:31 does not just imply that woman be covered, it demands they be covered. Islam is the religion that lucifer created to decieve the world.
. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head.1 Corinthians 11:2-16 (New American Standard Bible)
The veil and long robes are more tribal and environmental results of local conditions than any thing in the Koran. Imagine yourself in the heat of Saudi Arabia wearing shorts and tanks and facing sand blasts. What the Koran calls for is modesty and that applies to both men and women. The prophet's wife was a business woman and one cannot deal in business without dealing with other people, men and women. The prophet's wife asked him to marry her. The prophet's wife wasn't hidden from the public because she was a women. The prophet's daughters worked outside.
A religion can be highjacked and used in various ways for personal, social, and/or political gain. This also applies to Islam, Christianity and Judaism. The problem in the Middle East with Israel is not a religious one, it is a resource, land, and political one. What one should remember is nobody holds the truth. The basic common denominator to humanity is don't do to others what you do not want done to you, and this can be found in all the religions. Application is another story.
Now for the Arab Spring to be worthwhile, those people have to tackle education, employment, healthcare, and other everyday problems. They can't be stuck on the dress code, alcohol, ... and expect to move forward, if the goal is to move forward, and this still needs to be defined. Is moving forward is allowing all to strip dance and sell the body one way or the other (for both men and women) under the banner of freedom?
To those that promote "Islam" as being "good". Enough, Islam as a religion needs to be WIPED off the face of the earth and never again shows its ugly face to mankind PERIOD! I've seen firsthand in U.A.E, Yemen, Iraq, just what "Islam" really is. As for America, you are free (more than I can say for the above mention countries) to practice your religion as you see fit, but don't EVER approach this nation with "Islam" as a peace loving religion. ALL (BAR-NONE) of the morons that committed terrorist acts upon this GREAT nation were followers of Islam.
@richunix: Really? All terrorist attacks on the US have been carried out by Muslims? Do you think Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim?
Bin Laden = Islamic soldier with a sustained global agenda i.e. Terrorist
Timothy McVeigh = Lone madman
Your attempt to obfuscate doesn't hold water.
Ann Marie, please don't be the kind of person who never visits other countries and believe whatever the media says. Based on my experiences I would like to inform you that you are deceived and need to get educated. With the exception of Saudi, the entire Muslim world (arabs or non arabs) don't force women to cover their face or even cover their hair. Some Muslims believe that they should and they do but it is up to the person to decide. I have been in Saudi and can tell you that what they enforce is tribal habits that didn't change for centuries. Islam tried to change a lot of their thought process but wasn't very successful. I know Islam have idiots like Bin Laden or Saddam that are a disgrace to any race similar to Hitler, Bush and Sharon is a disgrace to any race, so lets not blame it on religion and know that we are human beings and some of us are stupid, but shame on who follow stupidity.
There is about 3 billion people on the planet. almost a billion of them are considered Muslim. Whether they are practicing or even believing Muslims is another story. It is impossible to get an accurate count. At least 300 million of those people live in India and Bangladesh which are democracies and have western style parliaments. Then there are the mostly moderate Muslims in Turkey. Iran is mostly moderate despite it's oppressive government cloaked in Islam. In all the countries I have mentioned (except Iran) they are not strict on Islam and you can see many women walking around with their hair blowing in the wind. So to say there are billions of Muslims living in strict Islamic countries is far from true.
@truthsquad true 1corinthios does say that in the new american standard bible but it also continues on verse 11 HOWEVER, in tue Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman for as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and ALL THINGS ORIGINATE FROM GOD. ... verse 16 with respect of the covered head of the woman it continues to say "but if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God" . Am not going to comment on the whole islam thing, every one chooses but it seemed aproppiate to continue a verse that does not end its explanation where u ended it. it basicly says all are equal enfront of God for we are all his creation. In other verses paul says that in the end it doesnt matter God does not diferentiate in preference one above the other he sees his love over creation. all post de chapter it is in, thats all. not interested in fighting, debating or arguing through internet religion. srry for any miss spells not my first language.
I as a Muslim was taught by my mother to respect woman (nun's cover too) cause woman is a mother, sister, daughter, a home maker and our society doesn't believe in using woman as a commodity, a display object, a tool to satisfy the hungry eyes of men. We marry and lots of time they are arranged marriages cause elders are experienced and they choose a girl that fits your needs and you learn to adopt to each other and care for each other and Love grows. This is the case for me. My woman in my family cover by choice and they are all highly educated and open minded. If a woman doesn't want to share her beauty or her body with public, it is not a wrong thing. SHe is not public property.
Uhh please, how many women of islam cover head to toe because they're told if they don't they'll get a good stoning? You're really going to call that freedom? HA, good luck with that. I like how you use the moderates who give their women an ounce of freedom as your example of a perfect islam. Its a joke...
Well dear I appriciate Your Thouths..But dont worry about other's view about Islam..They also know that in Christianity and Judaism women needs to cover head...They are actually jealous bcz Islam spreading very fast and People getting peace...They are people of Lust ..So keep fighting and Love you ..
By choice? Highly doubtful, mostly through fear, submission and being uneducated. Most muslims in the middle east do not want their women educated.
Freedom is being allowed to cover one's self as much as it is about uncovering yourself. There are a good number of African American women here in the US that choose to wear the burka. Are these women living in fear? They may not understand that the burka, chador, and abaya are *tribal* affectations that became part of Islam but it's their choice, isn't it? And yes – the burka is *not* part of Islam. That sort of covering is a *tribal* holdover from a period before Islam. In fact, covering like that and the seclusion of women has western roots as well. It was common in ancient Greece. It was an ideal in Christian Byzantium. Heck, I wouldn't actually be surprised if the Arabs picked up some of the tradition from the Greeks.
Take a trip to London during the summer in Edgware road in London and you will see arab woman from arab countries with tight jeans and more on the top they take their veils off while on the plane before even taking off from saudi arabia
What a lot of BS coming from a self deluded sub human. So your elders find you a female who will be a nice fit for you. Slavery by any other name. Guess when the saudis let the young girls burn to death at a girls school, because they were in their bed clothes during a fire, the, "Elders" , chose NOT to let them share their beauty with the world. Your meme is going to be destroyed and you MFs will be hunted down.
Your comment is invalid as from beginning to end of teh Quran a woman is discussed and used as a piece of property, a commodity. Reaqd your Quran, you know nothing of your own religion.
@Lil Bush
You replied really well, and explained your thoughts. I am a Christian, and I can relate to you Sir that you are correct. If your wife chooses to display herself it is for your enjoyment and not others. Adultery is a sin, and others who are single should respect a family and should not lust for a married woman. A mans wife is not public property you said it best! God Bless!
The Spanish were able to justify the inquistion. The Nazi justified the holocaust.
LllBush:
Nuns voluntarily join a religious order and choose to wear such attire. No one forces them to be nuns and no one will beat them up nor will they be killed for not wearing their pinguin-looking nun outfit.
In Muslim countries women are murdered by the Islamic police if they show their ankles while walking. Even Neanderthals were more civilized than the leaders of many modern day Islamic countries.
You forgot to mention that Muslim women are presidents and ceos and revolutionary leaders. Not just housewives and mothers. Great for you, you had an arranged marriage. You have about an equal chance at not divorcing as any other. If you think the elders can find a better mate for you than you can find yourself then so be it. But in Muslim countries as in the rest of the world, arranged marriages are on the decline. Parents often have their own interests in mind when deciding and as you mentioned women are not property, then collecting a dowry for one seems to contradict that idea.
Lil Bush (referring to what I wonder) conveniently avoids the very words that are troubling to the west coming from the mouths of Muslim leaders and clerics. State TV in Egypt is full of clerics spouting ignorant anti-Semitism, touting female genital mutilation, and pointing to the most backwards part of Sharia and calling for it to be law. Would you practice 7th century medicine and call that progress?
If you want to practice Islam fine - religious freedom is your right. But Islam has to do the same - make religious freedom legal in Islamic countries, and all of the rights of human kind, such as free speech, and free assembly? Until Islam becomes moderate, we have a problem.
"and they choose a girl that fits your needs "
you didnt mention anything about her parents choosing a man that fits her needs.
I agree with you Lil Bush. I for one am sick of being oppressed, as are so many Muslim women. However it is not our religion which oppresses us, nor our fellow Muslims, its ignorant people in the west who decide that we are not capable of making our own decisions. I hold a Bachelors degree, am currently in law school, have lived in a country independently for five years away from my family and I have spent countless hours doing charity work, whether it be with churches on thanksgiving or with Muslim refugees. I have friends of all religions, for whom I would do anything. I am a woman. I don’t cover my hair, but I chose to dress modestly. I believe my body is not for public display. It is not for advertising purposes and it definitely does not even begin to represent everything I am worth inside. I am confident. I am happy. I have survived some of life’s toughest challenges. Yet you (the west) still point to me, and say I am oppressed? You say I am stupid for choosing Islam as my religion? Then you have the audacity to say you support democracy and women’s rights? You can’t even tolerate the fact that I have different views on how a woman should dress!! So I suppose what you mean to say is that you will only support a democracy if it’s one in which only your views are supported… (kinda like a dictatorship)? Give me a break. Learn if you want to understand, stop learning if you want to be ignorant, but PLEASE don’t you dare stand up and speak on behalf of millions of women about whom you know absolutely nothing. Nothing is more oppressive than you telling us how we are supposed to feel. – And no, I am not an exception. Most Muslim women I know are absolutely amazing and well educated, even ones living in muslim countries.
Asalamu alaikum Tasneem
kme.in refers to your comment and the other anti islam comment below.Islamic countries don't force women to cover their faces or oppress women.In fact women in Islam are liberated since they're not exposing themselves to the slavery of men's desires.
Like Tasneem mentioned the majority of converts are women in their young age,why would they convert to the beautiful religion if it opressess women????Please do survey Muslim women and ask them how much Islam gives them their rights and freedom.You'll be amazed!and then come back and PLEASE post your results.
Well Its a matter of understanding ...how people full of lust can understand Desire for peace...International Media oppose every act which leads to women respect bcz thier business will shutdown..
Unfortunately Muslim women now days not knowing much about thier rights and responsibilities..But now growing up ..Thanks
I've lived in moderate and conservative Muslim countries, the stories are same.. These women deserve better.
I'll field that one, White.
Most of these girls are raised in a consistantly watered down Christianity. Nobody in the west has anything good to say about the religion except the evangelists and the media assures us that they are all nut-jobs. Spirtuallity abhors a vacuume. This, coupled with wanting attention from Daddy (negative or otherwise) is the root of the problem. The ones who do it volentarily won't stay there for long, unless they married into the "faith".
I am a Muslim women. I support the choices a woman makes when she covers or uncovers her body. If a woman wears a bikini or a niqab, I am not going to judge. I also stand up against oppression of women and gays. Oppression is a horrific sin according to Quran and the example of the prophets, Muhammad and Jesus, peace be upon them. There are just as many Muslim women who make their own decisions, contribute great things to their societies (participate in societies, in professions, etc) as there are those who are oppressed by a misogynist culture. But as a woman who has these freedoms, I must work extra hard to support all sisters (Muslim and non-Muslim) who are deprived of their rights.
Khadija, the first wife of the prophet, was a business woman. Islam is not the enemy. Tyranny and misogyny are. Just take a look at all the countries that want democracy and to have their current leaders resign because they are resisting them as oppressors and criminals.
Uh, if you are not covered head to toe in Saudi Arabi and other Muslim countries, you will be freely beaten with sticks. Why are Muslims so blind to the truth of what they believe in? How can you claim that is freedom?
That's some Nazi freedom.
Of course women can't drive in Saudi Arabia because they are so free, free, free! Do you delusionals even hear yourselves? Are you robots?
Do the little girls who are mutilated by their relatives feel free also in the beautiful freedom of Islam? Over 90% of Egyptian women are genitally mutilated, and don't say it is because of their "tribe" because they are "African." It is because FGM is promoted by the leading clerics at the most well-regarded Muslim Universities in Egypt (an oxymoron if there ever was).
Do the dead Coptic Christians feel the freedom of Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood? What is coming is Islamic takeover a la Iran.
Egypt will be the Sunni Iran.
6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head.1 Corinthians 11:2-16 (New American Standard Bible)
Thank you, the apostle Paul preached that women should cover their heads in church. Whether women cover their heads or not isn' the issue. Islam has a violent bent that even Christian hating athiests haven't shown in this country. We aren't killing one another over religion or politics here. How long will it be before the Muslims begin doing what they do everywhere else? Muslims have a propensity for rioting and everywhere they live, they either kill non Muslims or Muslims from other sects and that is a fact. Muslim commentors, please address that?
Kevin, I'm not a Muslim but am happy to address that. When you say we're not killing over religion or politics "here," what do you mean by "here?" I assume you don't mean Oklahoma City, since that's where Timothy McVeigh committed a massive terrorist attack. You also can't mean Norway, because that's where the right-wing Christian extremist Breivik committed a massacre in July of this year. You can't mean Austin, Texas, since that's where Andrew Joseph Stack flew his plane into an IRS building in a suicide attack that killed 1 and injured 13, in protest over tax policies. And I'm sure you don't mean Iraq, where (presumably predominantly Christian) U.S. forces have killed by some estimates over 100,000 Iraqi civilians. So where's "here"?
Then the Enlightenment happened. There has been no Martin Luther in Islam. There is no Enlightenment in Islam. There is only one rule, one book, the Koran and the Hadiths, and there is only one truth. You either ascribe to it or you keep quiet about it. Those are the two forms of Islam today, and only one is vying for political power.
There is every reason to fear political Islam because where theological Islam is the religion of the state, those are the enemies of the West, and of human rights and dignity, where there is corruption, repression, and stunted economies. Pakistan. Iran. Somalia. Mauritania, and I could go on and on.
Here's a more practical and fact-based view than Zakaria's wishful fancy: http://townhall.com/columnists/tonyblankley/2011/12/07/secular_liberal_egypt_we_hardly_knew_ya/page/full/
@ Mouf, Well get up off of your butt (you and the other "moderate muslims" and change things! The most terrible people on the planet are PUTTING THE FACE on Islam by carrying out jihad, suicide bombings, and the crappy treatment of women on a weekly basis. And all you can say is, "oh that is not the way it is suppose to be" ... Pathetic.
@ savoir! Must be easy to say that stuff when you know that you will be beaten senseless by muslims of you own country for exposing any of your body parts other than face/eyes and hands. THAT is the reason we think muslim women are oppressed.... NOT the other nonsense you spewed out.
I couldn't find anything in the Qur'an about covering your face. There is a passage about covering ones hair but then i wish you read the bible before leaving your racist comments here. Since many people don't want to educate themselves let me quote the holy bible for you, "6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head.'1 Corinthians 11:2-16 (New American Standard Bible)
So what? The Bible is filled with ancient directives that Christians understand belong rightfully in the past, because we can evolve and be practical. Where is the similar modernism in Islam? Point to the scholar, point do the leader, point to the book.
Would you practice medicine from the 7th century? Then why do you try to live by sharia law? Pointing this out is not "racism" since Muslims are of all races. It's simple common sense.
Muslims have to change. How bloody and violent that will be is up to the Muslims.
Fareed : Just to point out with islam where they are 2 faced.
http://news.yahoo.com/hezbollah-chief-rare-public-address-lebanon-095610140.html The going chant is death to america and Death to isreal.
This is a chant were it is almost an instinct to say.
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/05/egypts-rising-salafi-party-says-christians-will-be-better-off-under-sharia-law/ Sharia Law in that part of the country that demands islam is the law of the Land?
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/05/hamas-celebrates-muslim-brotherhood-election-victory-in-egypt/ Have you seen the Hamas Charter?
What happens in countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran is not because of Islam. That is because some governments distort and pervert Islam to support their own agenda. For instance, the burka in Afghanistan has to do with an oppressive, misogynist and tyrannical influence of these men who took over the government. Nothing in Quran says a person has to cover their faces. Women in the time of the prophet were not shut away in their houses. They were out and made equally respected contributions to the society. Remember Queen Rania is also a Muslim.
So Saudi Arabia, the home of Mecca and Medina, is not really Muslim, because they are so oppressive to women.
I fear your version of Islam does not actually exist, though it should, in fairness to you.
philly RN.....I was not going to post any more comments since I posted a huge one already, but ur question was too tempting....saudi.....representing Islam...wt a joke. Yeh sadly Mecca and Medina are there, but please dont take Saudi as representing all Muslims. I am sure there are lots of amazing Saudis but, Saudi seems like it will alwas remain backwards. Im not gna say anything more about Saudi, dont want to end up making too many generalizations!
@ survivor! So what happens in Saudi stays should stay Saudi right? HAHAHAHA!! OK. If you spoke such things like, " but please dont take Saudi as representing all Muslims", There would be Saudi muslim men club you over the head with a smile on their faces.
@ PhillyRN very true.
Sweetheart, U r right and U keep on believing that. I will pray for U.
Yes, the new Islamic states care more about governinig then starting a war with Israel, but when they fail governing – guess how they will divert attention of their angry public. Read history books Fareed!
And yet, in spite of this "peaceful" Arab Spring, there are more jihadi youtube videos espousing violence and hate than ever before, calling for the destruction of the West, the formation of a Muslim caliphate to rule all Muslims everywhere, and an Ummah of believers which must occupy the whole world. The Occupy movement could learn a thing or two from these guys:
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/5890.htm
I'm not worried, no, not me Fareed. This all seems perfectly normal, a normal part of peace and stability. Or, NOT.
The Muslim Caliphate that is developing in the Middle East is a serious long term threat to the West. You simply cannot ignore Fundamentalist Islam’s primary goal of spreading Islam globally and converting or killing all infidels. As these people start controlling more and more of the Middle East we are going down a very dangerous path.
I have a question of logics.
If we assume that Newt Gingrich´s claim that the Palestinians are "an invented nation"- is true, then, how – by following the same logics – the Americans, people of the United States, can be a nation?
Islam doesn't punish people for not covering their heads. Saudi Arabia and Iran does but its not because Islam tells them to. They do it because they claim they follow Islam, which they don't, what they do is instead of follow the true teachings of the religion they choose alien interpretations that are so alien to the religion but extreme in appearance and they ignore the true core rulings of Islam. In other words they choose form over substance to convince the naive they follow Islam since they came about to power on a religion platform.
Saudi Arabia and Iran do punish people for not wearing a head cover, but its not because Islam tells them to. They do it because they claim they follow Islam, which they don't.
What they do is instead of following the true teachings of the religion they choose alien interpretations that are so "far" from the core of the religion but extreme in appearance and they ignore the true core rulings of Islam. In other words they choose form over substance to convince the naive they follow Islam since they came about to power on a religious platform. Politican Islam is not supposed to attack its neighbors unless it was attacked by them. Its not supposed to use weapons unless weapons were pointed at it.
Muslims now on Changing to manage by the people for the people, the fanatics(wahabbis) who hijack Islam are caught off guard.
no matter how much you abuse..but true Islam near to be implement in major parts of the world ..Look at Americans who demanding Islamic banking..
haidar haaaaaaaaaaaa islam bank
Individuals are different. Some dont borrow, only save. It has nothing to do with religion, except for you.Generations before,many people were more frugal about how they spent.People are going back to that way, NOT because of Islam, but because some from a few generations got over zealous with material things after coming out of poverty for some, or being passed down the wealth or success for others. I think people needed the recession to get realistic and slow down. You are no different from the rest of us just because of Islams so called teachings, there are plenty of Muslims just like a few of those in our society,. People make it look like all of America is doing badly. For those who didnt lose jobs, there are quite a few who just tightened their spending because of the economy and are doing just fine. Islam didnt invent saving nor not to borrow. There are MANY non Muslims who have practiced it out of practicality, not religion.
I am surprised that Zakaria as a muslim is not even aware the importance of Jerusalem to all muslims. It is supposed the third holiest place in Islam after Mecca and Medina. Indonesia too has has no diplomatic relationship with Israel so what the crap is he talking about. I believe there will be war but like what Ron Paul said the war is in the middle east belongs to Israel itself who can take care without dragging us
It's actually kind of funny how Jerusalem plays a part in Islam it was the frist city that was prayed to because like Christen Islam comes in part from Jewish tradtions as soon as they got Mecca that all changed the only thing now with it is it is said where Mohammed accend to Heaven but there also another story that said he accened else where it also in another story where the final battle with start it importance in Islam is more Symbolic than anything else really
@mike, there is more in changing the qibla (direction of prayer in Islam) from Jerusalem to Mecca and has nothing to do whether the Muslims got Mecca or not. The story has to do with faith and the believe in the message sent by the messenger (PBUH) as stated in the Quran ( first and second verse of the second part). I would love for anyone who presume or form an opinion about anything in Islam to ask someone who has a knowledge of the religion rather than get it from someone who does not practice it from a random person who expresses the view of his own-self. I wish you all great holiday season and wish peace to all.
Islam doesn't come from "Jewish tradtions" God sent many messengers to people the first ones to come carried the same message that was brought by the latter ones. The rules have changed but the core beliefes were supposed to be the same. Islam didn't copy Tora Islam told people about the one God, some other rulings were similar because they came from the same God. There were other messenges that were not from the Israelite line but its funny that Jews like to through that idea out all the time to indicate they are the original ones. Well you are not. There is one God thats were the similarities are coming from.
Gliese... The war in the Middle East belongs to the entire world... but if you disagree you'll have to ask Ron Paul for an alternative of the largest oil fields on the planet that probably will become inaccessible for many centuries in case this war will happen.
Quite honestly, I don't think Jerusalem is even mentioned in the koran....
Zakaria is a christian fron India
JD Shami,
This is a lie and what you are s Sham.
Fareed was born in a Konkani Muslim family.
It is irrelevent but the guy seems too smart to be religious at all.
If only the people in the Middle East had his paycheck and education and luxury of living free they might think like him, but centuries of abuse cannot undue what has been done and the religious leaders are not going to suddenly let women be free. Please stop telling women to appreciate Islam and claim to be Liberal.
Don't be envious of Fareed's intellect. It's not easy to achieve what he did even with loads of money. Think middle eastern sheikhs ?
Living free is a choice. It is for the middle eastern people to decide and make the right choice.
I would love for Ann Marie to define freedom and whether or not it should include that ppl of any society as a whole should be able to live their lives according to what they chose it to be?
Is it OK that everyone strip and sell his/her body one way or the other (for both men and women) under the banner of freedom?
Where do you draw the line? Freedom itself can be exploited by few to use the masses in not so or for lofty goals.
Islam is a militant cult bent on world domination. Just have a look at their koran- it's a blueprint for conquest.
All they have to offer is murder: murder if you leave the religion, murder if you say something they don't like, murder if you draw a cartoon they don't like, murder if you are an infidel.
Non-Muslims had better wake up. There is no moderate Islam because to be a moderate Muslim is to be murdered.
Amen
the same could once be said for being Christen there been many times thoughout Christenity history along with the Jewish faith where reilgion been used to justify murder on a grand scale all religlions seem to have a growing phase where this happens. Reiilgion itself isnt bad its the fantaics that give it a bad light do not take the actions of a few to condem the many.
Mike: Well said. You are absolutely spot on. I wish there were more people in the world like you.
The difference is that there is nothing in Christianity that condones murder. The Qu'ran does condone murder and it doesn't require twisting of the text. You are simply repeating some lies that other people have told for a long, long time.
Name one time in history when Jews have killed mass numbers of Muslims or Christians in an attempt to spread Judiasm.
Charlie S: the conquest of Canaan (see Book of Joshua) was one. There are plenty of others. And yes, I know christians and muslims weren't around yet but...I'm sure the native Canaanites weren't too happy about it. The christian crusades didn't work out too well for a few folks in that area either.
But not lately!
Mike the key word is PAST. Islam is the PRESENT. Big difference. It's incredible how many people will say Islam and Christianity are exactly the same because both included violence, only one was in the past, and one is current. Does that make for logic in anyone's mind?
OK fair enough... but.... we are NOT talking about 243 B.C. And any other date in a far distant history where there was no such thing as RATIONAL THOUGH. Just remember that. We are talking about 2011
What a very black image of Islam you've got! Bin Laden is the one who should be blamed Anyway.
Please read about Islam and its prophet before proclaiming such black ideas.
Tamer,
Don't stick your head in the sand...the quran preaches hate and the killing of the non-believers. Noone is making up lies or creating a black ideas about Islam, all you have to do is read your quran and you will find plenty of verses which promotes intolerance of everyone else. I used to be a muslim but not anymore, it is an evil religion!!!!
Good point. I'll just take a gander at today's news. AH !! 58 killed in Muslim suicide blast... OK, that's all I needed to read.
only if US/NATO leave the muslim lands problems will be solved. There was no violence before these stupid invasions. Please leave them alone. Western powers have interfered for decades and created stupid Bin Laden so that they can continue their aggression. History does not start from 9/11. For muslims west has sucked their resources and helped dictators for decades. But I know retards would not understand. Just leave Africa, Middle East and other areas and stop acting like global police force and things will get better.
Arif: The agressiveness began a long time ago and is a religion that promotes eradication of any who don't convert. The experience of the British in Khartoum is another example of how prophets arise in Islam to conquer other cultures. Christianity does not condone killing over religion, Islam does. Remember Christianities guidance comes superiorly from the New Testament whereas Judaism and Islam still, with adaptation and modification, practice the Mosaic Law. Mosaic Law is more heavy handed, forceful, and has severe punishments for disobedience and not being a member of the culture.
Is that what you did, 'just look at the Quran?' Because you sure as hell hav'nt read it – and no, 4 word excerpts/quotes provided by bigoted websites don't count as having done any 'reading.'
Oh and please don't go on a copy/paste rampage from some random website (most of which tend to get the numbering wrong, let alone the translation itself), I'm getting tired of going through such lists and having to explain what the actual translation entails.
If you want to include a Quranic passage and claim it is evil/commands the killing of Jews/Requires that adherents hate America, then please check with an Arabic Speaking scholar on what the non-redneck understanding of the passage is... You can do this online too!!
What is 'Darel Harb'? What is 'Darel Islam'?
The Charter of the Islamic Movement Hamas was written and approved by Islamic scholars and says that the Prophet himself declared that "the time will not come until the Muslims will kill the Jews". This means that someone is not telling the truth here: the Prophet, the Islamic scholars or YOU.
Forget words, look at deeds. EVERYWHERE islam interfaces with another culture, there is conflict. EVERYWHERE islam interfaces with another branch of islam, there is conflict. This belief system cannot tolerate ANY disagreement. Roits and murder over a cartoon? Enough said!
Simply go to Memri.org and you can have the reliable English translations from the Arabic of Muslims scholars quoting straight from the good Koran "Jews are apes and pigs," and 'If a nonbeliever will not convert, you may kill him," and the every popular "If a Muslim leaves Islam, you may kill them for it is forbidden."
The state TV of Islamic nations have their own TV evangelists quoting from the Koran and justifying all kinds of violence and hate, the kind of hate speech that would be illegal in Europe, the kind of violence that would get them investigated by the feds in the US.
Muslims who claim this is not so are lying. Go to Memri.org and see for yourselves - a scholarly organization that only provides translation of media from the Muslim world.
Its funny you say that where as i see that americans and the western NATO forces have killed more people in recent years than anyone else all over the world. You base your opinion on what you hear, and what the media tells you. But has anyone ever told how many innocent people have been killed by non muslims.
World wars were no muslim wars. Herosihima was non bombed by muslims, holocaust was not muslims fault.
Throughout the history power struggle and greed has led to wars and religion has been used as an instrument to support these unjust wars. Are you a better person by wanting to kill? Is moral high ground not a better place to be at.
All i see in the comments i read to a good article is hatered and you against me and me against you comments. What about tolerance? Have anyone of you tried to understand any religion be it christainity, jewism or even islam. Come one people......why are you making opinions without seeking the truth.
You're right. The holocaust wasn't committed by Arabs. They just want to finish the job.
As far as I can perceive, the people in the Middle East are a bunch of barbarians and not worth the blood spilled to save them from themselves.
Why do Muslims bomb mosques? Are there Jews hiding in them?
I can come up with 100 things about your religion like this too.
All of the Christian violence is from ages past. The violence of Islam is very much of the present. If Islam is not violent, if it is partisan conflict that is the source of the violence, then why are Muslim nations riddled with violence against non Muslims and even Muslims of different sects?
The symbol of Christianity is the dove. The symbol of Islam is the bomb. 18,000 murders have occurred in the name of Islam SINCE 9/11. See the list of each murder, carefully recorded at: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
There is no equivalent of this violence in Christianity or any other faith. Only Islam.
I don't understand Zakaria's optimism. It appears that moderate islamic countries such as Indonesia and Turkey are becoming more Islamic, and I don't see any conservative Islamic countries moderating.
Women in Saudi can now vote and run for office, soon they'll be able to drive.
The Muslim Brotherhood has decided on a CIVIL state, not a theocracy.
The Ennahda has been incredibly pragmatic with it's 'no compulsion in religion or politics' motto
Just some emphatic examples of conservatives moderating, oh but it's also worth mentioning that our adherance to our social values are NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS.
"...soon they'll be able to drive..." – We've been hearing that for over a decade now. We are talking about driving an effin car for heaven's sake, not swim in a bikini!
Get realistic.
"...our adherance to our social values are NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS."
Alright, don't drive. LOL
Way to build a straw man, "women not driving" isn't an islamic social value. Ok retain your bubble of ignorance ... LOL
Women driving is NOT an achievement either. Silly you consider that worthy of mention.
Women driving or not is nothing to do with Islam. If one country have this law then why you are saying it is islamic or un-islamic it is their law it is not something came from Isdlam relegion
Sorry but if you're mutilating the genitals of little girls in the name of Islam, that's my business. Female Genital Mutilation is prevalent in Egypt. If you're killing Coptic Christians, that's my business too.
As for the other gains BigD mentions, this is just the first step of what must happen. It's no guarantee that human rights like free speech and freedom of religion will be encoded or enforced in Egyptian law. Will their even be an Egyptian law, or will there only be Sharia?
I wonder if Zakaria has bothered to look at the rate at which Christians have been fleeing these countries since the changes have taken place. They surely can't get out of Iraq quickly enough and things have become much worse i Egypt for Christians. Of course, we won't hear anything about this in the media, though.
Fareeds point of views are Inconsistent, flawed and based on his own personal experiences and his paymasters?
There is strong need to fear political Islam.. As proved so many times earlier..the more radical Islamist you are... the brighter your chances of coming to power over period of time.. and once you are in power.. damage is done..
Zakaria, I really like your reports because it holds an objective view. I wish I was as optimistic as you are my friend, but Iv lived long in Middle East, and Iv heard and seen a lot. Its a place that likes to impose power of another. It starts from family and branches off to society as a whole. Its very authoritative driven region that fears free will and free thinking. Ofcourse, this contradicts when Middle East was the hub of philosophers, specifically Baghdad, the library of the world in the 10th century. The religion has taken a toll on this country, a religion that cannot be separated from politics; main reason being the sheria law and the "islamic jurisprudence". So long as Middle East is controlled by Islam, people will be impoverished and enslaved. Unless, Islam can separate its-self from imposing Laws, such catholicism did when it ruled over Europe. This my friends will be the only way, is if you keep your religion views and believes at home, and take care of business when your at work.
Amen!
This is the real issue, the culture there is far from a cohesive society under the rule of law as it is in the West. The Arab world hasn't had the conflict between reason and religious orthodoxy yet, but haye have to see that economically, politically and intellectually they are falling further and further behind. The Arab spring may produce true Democratic societies eventually, but they appear to have a long road ahead of them.
You actually said 'the culture there is far from a cohesive society under the rule of law as it is in the West.' and i just about died laughing. I hope you are a master of comedy and were being sarcastic. usa has the largest prison population in the west. usa has largest percentage of rapists and violent offenders on the planet. Millions of homeless people. Hate crimes in every state. Completely broken economies at municipal, state and federal levels. Corruption at all levels of government. Population despised around the globe. Yeah, that's some real good 'cohesion' you got there. Jersey Shore is calling you.
I have accompanied Fareed's take on the Arab Spring form its onset and he's always been extremely optimistic about it. But here's a news piece The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/02/egyptian-election-islamists-sharia-law .
Sharia law has nothing to do with Freedom or Democracy... I'd like Fareed's take on this.
It's odd, but so often the case, that the aggressors see themselves as the victim.
There is little doubt that extremist views come from a some Muslims, but when you get beyond the war of words, and take the actual death toll, the clear aggressor are the western powers (with the USA being the number one exporter of violence, death, war, forced ideology, and general unrest).
The simple truth for America is that we can remain somewhat isolationists, without much worry of terrorism. Other than protecting corporate interest abroad, there is almost not reason to stick our noises in the affairs of foreign governments. We are living in a hemisphere much removed from the rest of the world; separated by vast distances and great oceans. Yet we preoccupy ourselves with unfounded fear and hatred, due to religious dissimilarities. Strange, disquieting, and quite ungodly.
We'd be better off embracing the cultural differences between people, with entrenched chauvinism, and a propensity for genocide being an exception... and a call to action.
please do not use 'We" and "america" in your comments. . whether you live in America or not, you clearly do not share American values and thus are not an "american". You appear to be a Muslim apologist or Palestinian propagandist altho your "accent" does seem Pakistani
I love it, I just love it. An american calling another american a non-american for having the gall to utilize their free speech. Moron comedy at it's greatest.
Now, lets have an article on Jew faith and or Christian faith and how people don't want it!
the muslims brotherhood is far from the real truth and soon when they hold on power the people will discover nothing changed , and they will be overthrown by the people , they are heading toward hell , the people will know their real face , just wait and you will see everything
It is easy to criticize Israel, but there Israel is part of the middle east and its knows its neighbors very good and better than all the remote viewers. When Israel LEFT Gaza, Islam took over and 1000s of rockets are being fired on Israeli cities targeting civilians – isn't that what everyone are saying, give land and peace will come to in the middle-east as simple as that.
Look what happened in Turkey with the "moderate" Islamist party of Erdugan, Anti-Israel propaganda is a cheep and effective way to win the hart of the Islam voters. That goes the same in Egypt, rather than talk about public health, education, social service and improve economy, they are focusing on Israel, we should envy Egypt, they probably have a flourishing economy and a state-of-the-art health system.
When the world will understand and realize what the problem really is, which is easy and simple, then the solution will be possible in 1-3 decades, but so far we had wasted decades on a false believe that if we appease them rather then stand for what we truly believe in, than the problem will be solved.
Your wish can never be granted. Sorry brother, you can only expect to be left disappointed.
You just can't build a functional society where the ultimate authority is God himself. Even if they start out as moderate, respecting the minorities and all that, in time it's going to be a downgoing spiral with holy men competing in whom beholds the most righteous interpretion of the quran. It is alsoe an effective method in getting rid of political opponents as you can't really argue with the holy text.
Agree. Your points are very well made.
A case in point is Pakistan. Jinnah wanted to establish a secular Pakistan, a modern democracy to be a model to the Islamic world. The dictator General Zia-Ul-Haq during his reign of ~11 years plunged their entire country into an intolerant brand of theocracy. The average brainwashed Pakistani was and is too busy lapping up the continuing propaganda by their Army/Intelligence forces.
The concept of a secular Pakistan ended up being the epicenter of global terrorism.
Well said, Overlord, well said, and historically accurate. There might be a "dream" of a "moderate" religious government, but the goal of EVERY Ibrahimic religion is total conquest, therefore they all bend in the same depraved direction eventually. The only reason the Catholics don't run Europe like the Muslims run the Middle East? The Enlightenment, the Renaissance, the Industrial Revolution...NONE of which have taken place in the Middle East! Free thought? Not in Islam! Free speech? Same answer! While that was true in "Dark Age" Europe, eventually, they climbed out of it *themselves*. Unfortunately, the damned Church didn't go away, but just hides in the background telling people who to love and how to give more to the Church.
And yet, history has shown the evil and brutality that has emerged in nations run by leaders and governments that reject God and religion. How many tens/hundreds of millions of people have died at the hands of atheistic leaders in the last 100 years alone? How about the communist governments of today that regularly drop their trousers and take a big, steaming dump on religion? Is there not corruption, intolerance, and brutality in China and North Korea? Even in secular societies there are governments that are filled with selfish corruptocrats. Good God, look at the corruption at the UN! I agree that having a religion-based gov't is not a good idea, but to ignore the atrocities manifested by atheistic governments is inexcusable.
Clearly dumping on religion is easy for those who are too lazy to do their own research and engage in their own critical thinking.
There are many ways to screw up a society. Religion is just one of them. But faulty socities share the same belief in a truth seperate from scientific facts. It's irrelevant if the guardians of these truths are called nazis, communists, imams, popes or tea baggers, it's not going to work if people are aloud to veil their lust for power behind interpretations of ancient scripts or corrupt science. In a healty society any man can be draged down from his pedestal by anyone who can arguably present a better idea, vision or a more accurate fact.
the west needs to get over the denial and accept islam by its very definition its ideology and dogma is – anit everything about Western, jew, non muslim, democratic, freedoms – there are and will always be irreconcilable difference time to face it
Getting over the denial is only the first step. Denial is followed by – Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.
Wonder where action comes at, if it does that is.
islam is a dangerous cult of fanatics. It is the most oppressive cult on earth, there have been 3 suicide bombings in afghnistan today alone (shia holy day). So much for the religion of peace.
and how many deaths have been caused by Christian wars in the last century alone?
care to provide examples of war that is based on christainity?
There have been wars waged in the name of Jesus. However these were waged by corrupt Pope's for political reasons more then religious.
The Spanish Inquisition could be used as an example of a war for religion in which Catholics ordered Muslims and Jews to convert or die. While this tone of convert or die is wrong. The major difference we see when comparing the Bible with the Quran is that the Quran tell's Muslims to kill unbelievers and convert or die. The bible on the other hand referring to Jesus in particular said to "love your Enemies."
Of course killing has occurred on both sides but if you look at the numbers more people are killed by Islamists around the world every day than were killed in the entire 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition. There will always be crimes comitted on both sides. Society is a testament to this where murders happen all the time even for non-religious reason. But by putting everything in perspective and looking at what the religious texts say you can get a clear picture of which religion teaches love and peace, and which one teaches hate and subjugation.
In my previous comment I meant to say more people are killed by islamists each year then in the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition. hear is a link for reference. If you scroll to the bottom of the page it shows every death commited by an Islamist.
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
In my previous comment I meant to say" more people are killed by islamists each year then in the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition". hear is a link for reference. If you scroll to the bottom of the page it shows every death commited by an Islamist.
http://thereligionofpeace.com/
TruthOrDare: Um...The 30 Years War, The French Reformation, The Crusades – that should get you started.
Were in the 21st century budd. You guys are still in the 7th century using you jihadist propaganda; we have passed that stage 1000 years ago, and from the looks of it you guys will never pass this stage because your religion has its root from violence, occupation and corruption. Just do some studying on your prophet Mohammad and what he was all about; you will easily find that he fought and killed many and threatened the use of violence if people did not convert. Im sure he also profited from it because he was a tradesmen as well.
Now tell me if the wars done in the name of Jesus truly reflects what he taught in his lifetime. How many wars did Jesus lead? How many did he murder? and so on and so forth. Now do the same for Mohammed. Catch my drift? Religion can be misused as it is quite evident in probably all religion at one point or other but none has the perfect example by its founder like Islam. If one truly believes Muhammed is the perfect example of human life, then we should be truly glad most muslims don't actually know the whole story. We should count our blessings.
By your definition then, Christianity is a religion of gay pedophiles, colonial war mongorers, and extremist terrorists and Judiasm is a religion of Zionism and war instigators. Is that what you're generalizing? Is that correct, would you say?
I would say that is pretty accurate.
Um, no crap Judaism is a religion of Zionism, Zion means God's land, Judaism is based upon the premise that they must uphold God's commandments and that they have a right to live and exist in a certain area of the middle eat. Zionism is the political / social fruition of Judaism, its Fruit being the beautiful state of Israel, that democracy, that place of law and order, where all people (jews, christians, muslims, WHATEVER) have rights and freedoms in Jerusalem,
That is a fruit worth savoring and saving.
so your attempted insult is fail, as judaism = zionism. Sorry to disappoint you
I am 100% agree with Israeli minister. And we Indians and Israelis know muslims better that anyone else in world. We have 200+ million muslims in India. ANd we are worried a lot about this. They are ticking time bombs rrady to explode at appropriate time.
yup muslims are explosive, handle with care.
Mr IndiaGuy learn from history you do not own the India....look at yoru history who rules the India most of the time. You are talking about who knows better about Islam. Pls go back and read the history then you will understand what silly you are talking about
TOMTOMA, Some how you think you own India. India's history is very old. In that Muslim rule only spread few centuries if you eliminate before 1400 where they are only established in few parts of the country. I am not saying that you don't belong to India. But you behave as if you don't belong to India. That is the problem. You live in India. But you love Pakistan. That is the problem at least as perceived by most o Hindus. So we love it if you can really show your love for India and Indians.
YOu Indians killing Muslims and then demand Polite behavior.......Its you cruel mind which actually taking avenge of 1000 years rule .....Look at Kashmir few hundred Freedom fighters make .7 million indian army mad......Big economy with big poor natoin..
Haidar, you would be better served to channel your creepy rage against Muslim terrorist groups that kill Muslims. Heck with that. Muslims have been brutalizing Muslims for over 1,000 years, or is that Muslim peace and love that is being practiced in Syria right now?
Why dont you check the history. Most of the cases it is the Muslims who start the riots. Hindus only retaliated mostly. Do you expect us to die without protest?
Why dont you see what you did in Pakistan and Bangladesh? Compared to that you got a royal treatment. In fact India is only country I guess where minorities have more rights than majority people.
LOL dude the hindus have massacred muslims by the millions over the course of history.. stick a nose in a history book. jeez if stupidity was a stock, I'd buy it today.
i just love how they add the "yet".. part
They torched synagogues and christian churches in Egypt during the uprising, and Zakaria is optimistic? We look at Islamic theocracies in such places as Iran, and Political Islam isn't to be feared?
What world does Zakaria live in?
I'm a Jew (well, basically an atheist but that's a different story), but even in Israel, the ultra-orthodox Jews time and again try to steer the state in a more religiously intolerant direction. The only reason they fail is the same misconception most people have of Israel–they think the vast majority of Israelis are Jewish zealots, but they aren't observant at all. They're just Jews who want (and deserve) a homeland to protect them.
Zakaria's "nothing to fear" philosophy reeks of the political miscalculations made prior to the Holocaust.
Stop Holocaust darama....
Forget how Jews and charistains kill muslims in Spain ??? All Masjid were converted in churches...Dotn teach us civilization..World now better know about you .. Just wait ...Muslim Brotherhood will teach you justice after their govt...
Uh Haidar, you conveniently left out the brutality that followed Muslim armies that swept through northern Africa, into Spain, but thankfully were stopped at Tours. For centuries the Muslims ruled Spain w/an iron fist, looking to convert everybody. If these Muslims were so tolerant, then why were they forced out starting in 1492?
What were Muslims doing in Spain? Forget how Muslims CONQUERED Spain and forced Islam down unwilling Spanish throats? Hooray for Spaniards who forced Muslim rulers out of Spain!
Too late Haidar. Millions of people can now read English translations of the Quran, Hadith, Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad and the al Azhar-approved English translation of Reliance of the Traveler (Sunni Sharia Law book), which says Muslims can kill non-Muslims (1.2, (2), page 584) and Muslims can kill their own children (1.2, (4), page 584) without ANY RETALIATION!! You don't get to tell us "what Islam is." We can read it for ourselves.
I don't believe all this. Zakaria is a muslim so trying to defend muslims. They are going to make trouble once they get stable with with there home politics. They are the villian of the universe. Trouble maker.
Fareed was born in Mumbai, India. He is not a Muslim. He is a naturalized American citizen.
He works for CNN, therefore he's an Honorary Muslim!
This is incoherent nonsense! In Iran the leadership is completely hard line Islam and there is no "halo" effect or sign of it losing power. There is nothing to stop that from being the eventual outcome of the Arab Spring and it is naive to assume otherwise. Democracy was altered in the UK during the Thatcher period in the 1979 Scottish independence referendum when a 40% rule was brought in to negate the overall positive result. Once in power the Islamists will turn democracy into something that serves their own purposes – and they will never be out of power again.
let us wait and see what will happen in 2012 to this arab spring country. i fear for the worst. religion should never able get involve with politics cos their mind is totally control by their religion. Religion is death.
Don't fear political Islam – yet
Please sit idely by and wait till its to late. Islam is my enemy and i will fight it with every breath i take. and so will any true blooded american.
You can either fight islam, or you can do what they want and serve islam!
...and they say americans don't hate muslims. This nut job wants to kill muslims till his last breath, hehe. Meanwhile on the other side of the globe this goofs islamic mirror opposite is sitting in his moms basement hating american christians all the same, harhar. Complete and utter fanatical morons on BOTH sides of the fence dreaming of machine gunning down those 'evil' people on the other side. Even if the majority of people in the american army are not christian fundamentalists the boys in the secret societies (like Skull and Bones) ARE religious/cult believers and THEY control the levers.
Personally I am really tired of hearing about Israel and Palestine. For over 45 years I heard them nothing but bi tch and complain to each other. Build a wall around them and let them have at each other. To the victor go the spoils. Then they can shut the he ll up.
"there may well be reversals in some areas as these parties try to impose their social conservatism on the societies, but that does not make them necessarily undemocratic" (!!!)
So, if Egypt enacts Sharia law, imposes special tax on Christians (there are very few if any Jews left in Egypt), according to Zakaria it would be completely democratic.
If "liberated" people of Lybia demonstrated against the only Jew who returned to Tripoli and tried to open a synagoge, according to Zakaia it is "democracy in action"!?
From Mr. Zakaria writing it appears that he has a very simplistic view on democracy....
Well..Islam is here to stay and will permeate all segments of society , all over the world... Lump it!..u don't have much of a choice when there a billion and counting scattered all over the world. And the Converts being mostly from the free western world who consciously chose Islam as their religion . Try to learn a little more about this religion from correct sources innstead of trying to fight it coz thats gonna get u no where.
Over my dead body.
Islam is the religion of Oppression, Violence and Terror. The world should definitely fear Political Islam! Religious Islam has made sure of that. They kill each other Muslims in the name of Islam, they kill Christians in the name of Islam, they kill Jews in the name of Islam.
Thats what they said during the Crusades.
Why do people always bring up the Crusades? The last Crusade was over 700 years ago and people were so ignorant they still believed the world was flat.
The naivete of Mr. Zakaria's point of view is incomprehensible. Granted, the Islamists are gaining power through pseudo-democratic means as they are better organized, but once in power the resulting theocracy becomes inherently undemocratic. We are in for a long, tough and unpleasant ride. The anti-west and anti-Israel rhetoric will be ratcheted up. One cannot negotiate with a party that believes that you do not have a right to exist.
So I guess that separation of church and state is just an idea that must be enforced when it comes to those dangerous Christians and their nativity scenes. Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Taliban and Al Qaeda convince me that Islam and politics don't mix. How naive are you Mr. Zakaria or are you something else?
We all can see very clearly what the objective of Islam is, but there are so many, particularly here in America who are totally decieved to its agenda. Islam is a false belief system because it only produces death, destruction, chaos, and oppression! But, where the spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ is, there is real liberty! All humanity wants liberty, but most do not know what liberty truly is or how to obtain it. Well I'll tell you where liberty is, it is only iin Jesus Christ!
So only your way is the right way? Isnt that what the Imans say?
As the song says "listen to the holy men who twist the words of way back when"
We would be better off without any organised religion.
Right Gerry.
We should have atheists running everything,just like they did in the Soviet Union and Cambodia, and now in China, Cuba and North Korea. How many hundreds of millions have died at the hands of atheistic leaders in the last 100 years alone?
I like it when Western pseudo-intelletcuals like to comfort themselves that progress is inevtiable.
As a Copt myself who lived to see the evolution of the polticial Islam, I can see how deluded the likes of Zakaria.
I give him execuse: He never listened to those guys in their Mosques. He never listened to a dialogue between one of his moderate and the more fundamentallist. It is just a matter of tactics on how to get the 7th century utopia.
Yes dear Zakaria, the world getting better even if it was for the worse. Goi back and sleep.
The idea in the article about islamists and what would happen if the reached power is completely unrealistic/over optimistic. The writer said that people will judge by their competence however, experience doesn't prove this assumption. If we look at the current parliamentary elections we will know that many people I would assume 70% of those voting for them would be doing so for either the financial aid they get from them or because of the influence of religion on the Egyptian mentality.
Egypt suffers from ignorance and poverty, this makes people very vulnerable to those who use religion in their campaigns it also makes them more biased and ready to overlook their mistakes because they really respect religious figures.
I am not sure about the future of democracy in Egypt specially with rise of political Islam movement. How would I have freedom of speech in the future if my opponent calls me an infidel for criticizing his ideas!!!!!
Anyone who works for CNN is an Honorary Muslim!
And they also allow foxy zero IQ's to comment here
So far none of the govt. supporting single religion got success. Reason is simple. Goal of govt. should be taking care of people of country where it belong. When govt. is based on certain "ism", goal of govt is changed from protecting and well being of people to protecting and well being of its "ism". Result will be corruption. See Pakistan, Saudi etc Islamic countries, Communist China, all such countries have same problem. Yes, they appear successful country because of huge media censorship. Does, Islamic govt make me worry ? Simple answer is YES.
To think that Fareed gets very well paid for writing this ridiculous drivel. The Muslim Brotherhood, which was aligned with Hitler, is the originator of the modern Jihad. Sharia law is a horror that enslaves and abuses many. Fareed doesn't talk about that. Fareed's father is listed as being an "Islamic scholar". Fareed is actually a closet Muslim, using "Jihad of the Pen" to calm the future victims of Islamic conquest.
is it true that the women have be to covered so as not to tempt the men?how can you condem a woman for adultery and stone her to death and the man married or single walks away? woman are not property? think again!
Oh UR soooo right
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1097520–hezbollah-says-acquiring-more-weapons-in-rare-public-address?bn=1
The muslims religion is as evil as anything this world has ever seen. They will use the freedoms of the west to move in and force their agenda. We are only fooling ourselves by not confronting it now, time to stop being politically correct and tell it like it is.
While I often agree with Fareed on economics and the global political climates, I vehemently disagree with him on Islam-related issues. He has a soft spot for it every time I watch or read. You cannot tell me the Arab Spring rising is pro women rights or pro freedom. The moderates are the ones taken out e.g. Mubarak
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1097520–hezbollah-says-acquiring-more-weapons-in-rare-public-address?bn=1
One time while vacationing in the middle east I saw a muslim by the side of the road with his arm all the way up a camel's butt. " Car trouble? " I asked.
Ba-Dum Chick.
Religion usually is a set of rules and if you don't obey, there are consequences. Islam is no different, it just happen to come up in that region with their own sets of tradition that were molded into the facets of the religion. Christianity and Judaism are no different. That being said, revolution is not good for any established organization.
Spoken with true ignorance, Jose. Suggesting that Islam is the same as Judaism and Christianity is the epitome of stupidity. Try leaving Islam in a Muslim country and see how that works out for you. In fact, try converting from Islam to another religion in the Muslim world. In some countries it's considered worthy of a DEATH sentence.
Compare that with leaving Christianity and Judaism in the Western world. One can easily leave or convert without being harrassed, receiving death threats, or being the victim of "honor killings." See the difference?
You can't tell these Islam-apologists anything. They have been programmed all their lives to think their violent ways are the ways of "peace". Islam's peace is when they rule the world with an iron boot. They don't understand western ideas of peace and freedom, it's pointless to debate them. They are taught that everyone is really a muslim, and they approach things from that angle. They see islam in all parts of life in their countries so they foolishly assume that it's like that for the west. It's pointless.
I lived in Nigeria where i grew up knowing that Islam is a violence religion that will not tolerate other religions.There a places where a church cannot be built,while you have mosque everywhere.The country has and still experiencing civil unrest and wanton destruction of innocent live and property because muslims want to have their way.So honestly speaking i will take more than just post a few line on the internet to convince me that Islam is peaceful religion.I have read the quran and i can say Islam encourage violence as means of propagating religion ideas.Until such atime when the rights and freedom muslim are enjoying in the west can be be enjoyed by non muslim in countries like Saudi arabia,Iran,pakistan,Yemen and all other Islamic countries,then we can say the Islam is indeed a peaceful religion.Among the predominate muslim in the northern Nigeria peolple like Osama bin Laden, and all oher terrorists are the real muslims.
A friend of mine recently describe this really well, he said, seperate the muslims from Islam. Islam is not about what muslims do. He went on to say that women being treated in a very unislamic way in some places such as not letting them drive or go to school which he said is completely against the rules of islam.
Some interesting facts that cannot be ignored.
Is jihad against the rules of Islam?
Every religion has its apologists – I know people who live in a dedicated Christian community house who claim that they are not religious – that athiests are more "religious" than they are. The other one is to dissociate their beliefs from organised religion claiming that to be a corruption. Islam cannot be be separated from "Muslim" and for every interpretation of their rules you will find another that contradicts it. Even your friend knows what Imams are saying around the world and he knows that many of those Muslims would see him as a bad Muslim – and they would kill him too.
The problem is not one with Islam as a religion. The problem is, as Mr. Zakariah pointed out, with Islam as a form of government. In the US and much of the West, there are three distinct things: government, culture and religion. Each has its own role and place in our lives. In some places they overlap. But in much of the Islamic world, all three of these circles overlap totally. There is no Venn Diagram; there is only one circle. So the government then begins to rule by Islamic Sharia law and the people are bound not just by their religion but also by their civil law simultaneously. This is the slippery slope. I have no issue with the religion any more than I do with Scientologists, but the problem becomes trying to live within the governmental legal side of it. After all, it's not the Quran that says women can't drive or whatever; it's the government that makes the laws based on their strict interpretation of the religious texts.
It is a time to take sides. Not of one religion over another or one type of government over another. Some believe the answer to our problems is to kill and hate our "enemies", others think the solution is to love and learn and be compassionate. Which side will you choose? Do you think we can end hate with more hate and killing?
How would you have responded to Hitler?
Hate never solved anything, however, let's look back over the last century only; the El Sauds attack and take over the western region of Arabia killing thousands of what they called non-believers, even in the foreign embassy's. W W II the Arab's quietly stayed out of the fighting all the while selling information and oil to both sides. After the war, the kind Brit's assisted the Jews to form Israel, while redrawing lines for Kuwait, Jordan, Pakistan and a dozen other ex-Empire locations that the couldn't afford anymore. Then the Brit's politely walked away and left the whole region to fend for itself, which has resulted in what you see today on the news. The Arab's claim land with an excuse of standing on it for 50 years, the Jews were there for thousands before, the Arabs answer; build Mosques over every church, or Synagogue they can find, cry to the media about their poor lives while they drive their BMW's and Mercedes to mosque, Arab's are the first to be the victim, always, and will never change, they are still waiting for Salah El Din to come back and save them for the infidels.
Salah El Din was Kurdish, If he came back, he would never do them any favours no more, trust me on that.
So when should we fear political Islam? When it's knocking on our door and forcing us to join their cult?
It's so cute when pretentious, left-wingers like Zakaria have their head in the sand, and they invite everybody else to do the same.
Not buying that. Islam is a danger to the entire planet, because they will NOT live peacefully with any other religion.
We have already seen Christians in Egypt say they will be forced to leave Egypt, as they will not be able to live there if Islam is in charge.
You do know that indonesia is the worlds most populous Muslim country right? Do you also know it has a strong and well respected Christian population as well? How do I know? My sister in law is an Indonesian Christian. Islam isn't the problem any more than Christianity is. The problem are the idiotic thumpers – both Christian and Islamic who think that they know what is best for everyone else on the planet. In the US I'm a heck of a lot more afraid of Christian fundamentalists and their political agenda (Domionists) than Muslim extremists.
You outta be kidding man. This is about the most silly argument I heard ever since the Twin towers were brought down.
Islam is the worlds most disruptive religion.
Islam is a religion full of human rights violations.
Islam should be illegal in the U.S. because it seeks to be a form of government and not just a religion.
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Why would people rid themselves of a tyrant and then opt to place themselves under another tyrannical rule?
Why not give the people the freedom to live and worship as they choose?
I hope Mr. Zacharia is right, but he's painting a pretty optimistic view of the situation. And he missed one key issue that seems obvious to me (and probably others). As he states – the parties that overthrow the dictators lose their appeal when folks forget about the dictator. However, one easy way to stay in power for these parties would undoubtedly be to focus their passion against another topic of consternation – say, Israel?? Would these politicians stoop so low as to pander to their electorates via anti-Israeli rhetoric and even actions? It doesn't seem too far fetched. Be afraid.
Zakaria is a muslim...what else is he going to say...don't believe for one second that ISLAM is a religion of PEACE. It is not and anyone that says it is, is a lying pos.
Uh to be honest of the three popular religions (Jewish, Christianity, and Islam) can you really say any of them are about peace? NO!! None of them are about peace because HUMANs have influence them to meet its own needs!!! So you can go back and do a little more research on that statement you made!!!
Jews and Christians don't strap on suicide bombs and blow up marketplaces and religious centers.
you should've changed your display name to "thereisanIDIOT"..cause it's you.
You see a lot more of this xenophobia in American than you do Canada. In Canada, we have extremists - they planned to cut the head off of our Prime Minister - but we also have many more Muslims who are just like everyone else. They go to work in the morning. They love their families. They watch TV and enjoy movies. They want nothing to do with any form of extremism, and they get frustrated to get lumped in with them. Much like Americans hate getting lumped in with the Crusades. I can't believe how much hate is spewed here. Nothing good has ever come from hating people. I'm surprised pious America has not learned that from its many churches and faiths.
Zakaria is an Islamist schill. Know that Islam is a socio-political theocratic way of life. It's a cult. It's a dangerous, controlling, violently retributional cult.
Honestly, to a certain extent all religions are cults.
Meanwhile, Muslims keep killing each other - this morning's headline "Dozens killed in rare Afghanistan attack". How is this attack rare?
Mr. Fareed Zakarya – way to go in trying to pull wool over American eyes. What do Americans know about Muslim Brotherhood? NOTHING! So let's feed them lies and make them sound like a fuzzy and cuddly group of people who may just be the right answer for the middle east. YAY! Everybody is happy now. Now go do more shopping guys – your credit cards won't max themselves out.
look at what muslims did to India – they murdered by rampaging mob. Why don't you people educate yourselves about what islam did already to other countries and now today is doing to france, uk, sweden. Look it up and learn that muslims have zero tolerance for anybody but themselves and want to murder everyone else and as soon as they can they do. Those Indian Hindus know what murdering thugs the mudlims are.
@indigo: How many murders in America today?
@Mike that is a great point and one that needs to be made on all these comment boards. To all those that might bash me for agreeing with Mike I would first like to point out that I served in the Marine Corps for 8 years and I love my country, with that said I feel that many people that live here have such an odd and idiotic view of the outside world.
I traveled to Egypt for 3 weeks with my family a few years back to see the sight and experience the culture. People at my job and even friends (who know me and know where I have been) were all saying the same crap "why are you going to Egypt? Your not scared someone will blow you up? You do realize that they are all crazy and hate Americans don't you?" well my response was "How safe do you really think it is in America?" I mean living in a large city like Philadelphia is 10x more dangerous than Cairo. Their are many areas in Philly that I wouldn't feel safe walking around during day or night time hours yet I walked freely through Cairo, Giza and Luxor and no one even gave me a dirty look. I was amazed to see children playing in the streets late at night without any adult supervision and you know what a man told me when I asked about this???? He said "why would I need to watch my children, who would hurt them?" I know people in the U.S. that wouldn't dare let their children play outside at midnight during the summer while in Egypt this was common and people didn't have the same fears we have in America.
I have also been to many islamic countries and they are all different just like all christian societies are not the same. Try opening your minds up to something other than hate you will be a better person for it.
In the name of religion – ZERO.
@Julie: If Muslims want to murder everyone else as soon as they can, how do you explain my friend Abbas who I have known for 20 years and has not yet killed me? 20 years isn't as soon as he could. He could have killed me at any time in the last 20 years. He's been in my house, he could have killed every member of my Christian family in the last 20 years, but didn't. Maybe - and here's a shocker - all Muslims are NOT the same? Think on it.
If the popular view among the people in Egypt is that they want stronger national support for Palestine, how is it difficult for Israel to view the Egyptian revolution as a setback? This article ironically agreed with Netanyahu's view to a degree that Egypt will be more anti-Israel by expressing that the people would like more support for Palestine. No one can argue that supporting foreign dictatorships, in the interest of national security, is a flawed strategy but if this revolution represents a true opportunity for the feelings of the Arab people to be expressed, then Israel's concern is more than warranted.
@Christ R: Did you know that Indonesia and Turkey didn't implement sharia but democracy. Now there is a purist group of Islam known as wahabism sect trying to implement strict law on Indonesia. They insist that democracy is western product. They said that Indonesia Islam was wrong and must be cleansed by new way just like on western asia and afghanistan.
Soon or later, this group will change Indonesia and Turkey and Morroco and Egypt into Afghanistan.
Thru much religious study many of the great Christian leaders have found evidence that leads the world to now see that Islam was created by Satan, Lucifer as the religion to cause man to fall away from God. Islam is a satanic church, a religion of the perversion and lies.
Despite your anti-Islam propoganda, people continue to flock to Islam. I guess all the people that reverted must all be stupid or brainwashed except you guys, the Islam haters. You are fighting a losing battle. Islam will prevail and not due to forced conversions but due to its truth. So keep your near and dear ones close, because it won't be long before one of them will come and say.. I've reverted back to Islam. God is Great...
Really, show us some real statistics that show people are "flocking to Islam". They are forced into it or prevented under the threat of death from leaving. No one in their right mind flocks to a cult that is Islam.
Look at the stats in Western countries and see how many have reverted but according to you they all were forced into it. You are so stupid. Even Tony Blair's sis-in-law has reverted.
Only people converting to Islam are pedophiles that feel they can as the Prophet was a child molestor who couldnt control his masterbating on a 9 year old girl.
No one is flocking to Islam, this is a lie that they try and spread. Actually world wide, thousands of Mosques are closing for lack of a congregation.
You're blind then. No one is coercing European, Hispanic, Asian and African decent Americans who previously belonged to another religion, now taking Islam as their belief. The fundamental problem is that you're ignorant of what the religion is and those who practice it. Pity on you, but we all know regardless of what those that know end up saying... haters are still gonna hate.
Flock? Flock or die might have something to do with it.............No one I know immigrates to Pakistan or Iran or Saudia Arabia but I sure do know thousands of you hypocrits that try to live in America or other western nations.........why is that?
Actually, the opposite is true. Most folks prefer beer, dogs, and toliet paper when exposed to them.
Tell you what Fareed, go to Egypt in a year or so and pubicly name your teddy bear Mohammed and then draw a picture of Mohammed and and see how long you last. In fact, do it in any muslim country and see what happens. Let's see how long your rose colored glasses last.
With all due respect "Ron Mexico", I'm pretty sure Fareed Zakaria has more knowledge and formal study on international trends, rule, and history than you. Leave the talking for those who are educated on the topic.
Really?? Your knowlege of Mr. Zakaria is impressive . . .not. You still didn't address what I said because you know it's true, period.
As a believer in God who is not Muslim I believe that everyone should have free will to choose how they worship and that is precisely why I worry about Islam being a form of government as I believe as a majority government it will restrict my freedom of choice. You want to be a majority, then prove to others that if you are, that you will not take away freedoms people have worked for so hard over that last 400 years.
Since Muslims kill all non-Muslims, all Muslim countries must have no non-Muslims. Even up to today Jews still live in Iran. Christians, Hindues and Parsis still live in Pakistan. There are so many Christians, Hindues, Jews living in the Middle East.
They are a very very small percentage and have been interviewed many times on how dangerous it is living amongst Muslim who try and kill them all the time.
Yea they live in hiding, are put to death for prosletizing or converting to something other than Islam............your asertions are fantasy, many of us have been there your countries are third world volent non rights repsecting NON DEMOCRACY TRASH run but nuts........
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/06/world/asia/afghanistan-violence/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Isn't it funny we're talking about peace and Islam, and yet on the SAME WEBSITE 58 were noted killed in Islam Politics?
Just saying.....Peaceful Middle East? Some people here are not reading their history books. Even recent history.
Calling Islam the religion of peace is like calling Hitler a funny person. How the hell is it peaceful? it has one of the bloodiest history started by none other than Muhammed who has personally been involved in war or raids. he is a war monger,murderer, child molester, liar,a jealous hateful vile person. A man of peace would be someone like Buddha, Jian originator, Jesus, who have not killed anyone. Muhammed is a great military strategist and an opportunist who was able to form his own group and conquer others. A religion of peace my foot! 80 million Indians who perished under islamist conquest is ample proof that it is not.
@Fareed Zakaria
I enjoy reading the article, and i thought the picture used from the Gettys Images was breath taking, well selected Sir!
Don't fear Political Muslim ....YET? When then? They're coming here and running over and beating their kids in our country, there are studies that more than suggest civil violence increases when the population percentage gets above 10% Muslim. We've been warring with people of the Muslim faith for 10 years now and their still suicide bombing each other and us. Do not fear them, isolate them, guard against them, purge them from the rest of society, but don't turn a blind eye to them or they will intentionally hurt you and hide behind a shield of vocal "peace loving do rights that turn to the East 5 times a day and tell you that they represent peace.
It's 2011. Time for ISLAME to get out of the stone ages.
The veil and long robes are more tribal and environmental results of local conditions than any thing in the Koran. Imagine yourself in the heat of Saudi Arabia wearing shorts and tanks and facing sand blasts. What the Koran calls for is modesty and that applies to both men and women. The prophet's wife was a business woman and one cannot deal in business without dealing with other people, men and women. The prophet's wife asked him to marry her. The prophet's wife wasn't hidden from the public because she was a women. The prophet's daughters worked outside.
A religion can be highjacked and used in various ways for personal, social, and/or political gain. This also applies to Christianity and Judaism. The problem in the Middle East with Israel is not a religious one, it is a resource, land, and political one. What one should remember is nobody holds the truth. The basic common denominator to humanity is don't do to others what you do not want done to you, and this can be found in all the religions. Application is another story.
Now for the Arab Spring to be worthwhile, those people have to tackle education, employment, healthcare, and other everyday problems. They can't be stuck on the dress code, alcohol, ... and expect to move forward, if the goal is to move forward, and this still needs to be defined. Is moving forward allowing all to strip dance and sell the body one way or the other under the banner of freedom?
Way to fog it up sir. It is the precise requirements within the Quran, the modesty quota, that is being stretched and implemented as law. why is it only in muslim community we have this problem? Sure, some might choose to dress that way but most are coerced by parents, relatives, neighbors, and society at large to act a certain way otherwise you would be the white crow. It doesn't even have to be physical abuse but rejection and ostracization that works quite well too. Veiling woman is nothing more than an attempt by jealous possessive men to guard their property from other men. Nothing more simple than that. Muhammed himself is a first class evil person who fornicates with little child and consummates with a woman whose husband, brothers, and father he had just killed in battle. What kind of animal such as him calls himself a man of peace??? If any modern person did that, he would be considered a sick individual by any standard and yet here is a whole class of humanity obviously oblivious to that fact. It boggles my mind how even intelligent people desperately tries to mis-interpret Muhammed's crimes and sometimes even deny them, so that they could keep on believing in this evil. If you want to know the real god, face yourself alone, and question everything. Otherwise, you will make the mistake of living a lie your whole life.
Sorry Mr. Zakaria, but Mr. Netanyahu makes a lot of sense. These new Muslim regimes may have 'made it clear' they will work with in the system but those are just words and they don't offer much comfort. Their predecessors don't have the best track record when it comes to tolerance of any kind and there is very little to indicate this new wave will be any different.
The two possibilities here is Fareed is an absolute moron, which I don't think he is or that he is a Muslim and would welcome the Muslim Brotherhood in our country. I suspect that he doesn't really care much for the state of Israel so would love to see it's neighbors attack. Really, can anyone, I repeat, ANYONE tell me a peaceful Islamic nation that respects the rights of it's citizens, is friendly to the west and doesn't want Israel destroyed. When I think of Islamic nations I think of Iran. Where the country is essentially run by Islamic Clerics. Do we really need Egypt turning into another Iran? Do we need Lybia turning into another Iran? Or Syria? This Arab Spring is yet another sign of the "end of times". Never before have people with so much hate had so much power. Sure Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews and did so to millions. However Iran is seeking nuclear weapons. Can you imagine them lighting up Israel with Nuclear weapons? I am sure that is their goal. That would be the start of WWIII. Life on this planet would cease to exist as we know it and would never return to normal. Fareed seems to be okay with all of this. What is wrong with this picture?
Saudi Arabia is actually very pro USA
The two possibilities here is Fareed is an absolute moron, which I don't think he is or that he is a Muslim and would welcome the Muslim Brotherhood in our country. I suspect that he doesn't really care much for the state of Israel so would love to see it's neighbors attack. Really, can anyone, I repeat, ANYONE tell me a peaceful Islamic nation that respects the rights of it's citizens, is friendly to the west and doesn't want Israel destroyed. When I think of Islamic nations I think of Iran. Where the country is essentially run by Islamic Clerics. Do we really need Egypt turning into another Iran? Do we need Lybia turning into another Iran? Or Syria? This Arab Spring is yet another sign of the "end of times". Never before have people with so much hate had so much power. Sure Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews and did so to millions. But he didn't have nukes. However Iran is seeking nuclear weapons. Can you imagine them lighting up Israel with Nuclear weapons? I am sure that is their goal. That would be the start of WWIII. Life on this planet would cease to exist as we know it and would never return to normal. Fareed seems to be okay with all of this. What is wrong with this picture?
Yes, they are muslim countries and they should be muslim in every respect. Don't forget the muslims ruled the world and gave it all the enligtenment and progress in science, arts, architecture, literature, culture,politics, tolerance, values, culinary delights, and on and on.
with so much "enlightenment, why are muslims countries so backwards and technically inferior? The only thing the middle east produces is oil. Other than Israel, no other country amounts to anything useful other than their oil. When it's gone, what will they do? The technology they do have comes from the west.
Very interesting comments made here by both sides. I saw a comment that islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. First, I do not believe that is true and second, so what. If heroin was the fastest growing drug in the world does that make it good? The majority of people in the U.S. that are converting to islam are inmates and people mired in poverty and or disfunctional families. They join islam so they feel a sense of community and belonging because they are otherwise misfits of society. Islam is not a religion of peace. In fact, islam is not really a religion- it is a cultural, political system. Look were islam is strongest; in countries like Indonesia, Iran, Egypt, Syria, Somolia etc. These countries are NOT known for their freedom of religion. You are born a muslim. You do not chose to become a muslim, you simply are one. Now, that may be true to a great extent in the west also, you are born a Christian and therefore are one, BUT you have a choice to change without the government sanctioning your arrest or punishment. The Jude0-Christian ethic changed the world and the prosperous nations follow that ethic. Sure, there is abuse, but that is what freedom is all about- making choices. The Bible is very clear that most will not follow God, but He gives us free will. Otherwise, there can be no genuine love. If, like in islam, you have to be a muslim, the choice is not from your heart. I dont hate muslims, I simply feel sorry for them as they do not understand true freedom and true love for God. If they did, they would embrace all people and denounce the extremists in their religion. They dont, becasue they understand there is justification in islam for their actions. Whether you believe it or not, the Bible is very clear about the way Satan will use islam to deceive people. Ultimately, we all have a choice to make. We can believe in God or not. We can believe in the God of the bible or the god of islam. IF we simply look at the world, we would see the actions of Christian organizations and the care missionaries give around the world. If you look at islam, where is the care spread around the world. It is all about rules and customs, not about changed hearts and love. It really is that simple: chose to cover yourself to obey a rule or chose to accept the gift of grace from a loving God. IF you cannot see that clear difference, then Satan is indeed achieving what the Bible states he would as God gives us a choice.
Thank you so much for that love. There are tears in my eyes. I'm converting right now. Do I need to make an appointment with the priest to have my son done by the back or he is available at all times to do it.
Having been to the mideast equating Priests to pedofile when 75% of Arab men bugger little boys is like Hitler calling one member of a criminal jewish gang the example of all jews...................
Um..I'm guessing since Islam wasn't invented yet when they wrote the bible, it is in fact NOT "very clear about the way Satan will use islam to deceive people".
I am not afraid of Islam as a faith.
I do not like any religion as a form of government. Islam in the west has few issues simply because LAW trumps religious practices that violate the rights of the individual, This is not the case in the East, where culture has been fused with religion that then becomes a tool for suppression of the individual. That is scary for everyone, no matter what the faith.
Hear hear. There are none that work – even a supposed gentle "Buddhocracy" like Bhutan are repressive to somebody (ie, southern Nepali-speaking Bhutanese).
Do I fear a political islam? No more than I fear the political machinations of christianity or judaism. These three "monotheisms" (indivisible one-ness of the trinity, anyone?) are based on the roots of judaic mythology that the jews inherited from the various cultures they were in close enough proximity to. That the three monotheisms are man-made isn't even an argument anymore, unless, of course, you have completely buried your intellect and reason, which most religious folk seem to happily do. (This, of course, has been the implicit instruction given by religious leaders over the ages... "Tear the eyes out of your reason...")
The fact of the matter is that as long as religion plays ANY role in the affairs of the general public there will be ridiculous discord, schisms and the inevitable foisting of whatever ad hoc rules and "morals" that a particular group is favoring at a particular moment. And don't try to argue that morality is somehow dependent on religion; that has also been completely refuted a thousand times over by people who have studied the bible and it's in more depth than most day-to-day religious people could even imagine possible. The concepts of morality were forged by natural selection during our trip up the ladder to becoming the ultimate apex predator, not by a bunch of desert dwellers who thought the entire world ended just past the horizon and had no concept whatsoever of the physical laws that are ultimately responsible for the natural events that were constantly mis-interpreted as originating from some angry "sky-god".
As Steven Weinberg so aptly put it: "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil—that takes religion. "
The only hope for this planet is to "grow up" and put the ridiculous and inane mythological horrors or religion BEHIND us. Only then is it possible for this planet to come together and work towards some kind of unity.
As it is, it would seem likely that the end of the earth will be brought about by these very people. Why else would fundamentalist lunatics attempt to breed a perfect red calf to fullfil some psychotic "prophecy" to bring about armageddon, mad ravings scribbled down by a brain-addled religious fanatic during the bronze age? A political Islam is completely enabled by the continued worship of jews and christians. What do you suppose would happen if one day the state of Israel came forward and said, "We officially no longer recognize judaism as anything but a series of historical traditions based on ancient elders who were attempting to galvanize the tribes of Israel for the sake of poitics. We affirm that there is NO yahwe or jehovah or "god" of any kind and that these are completely and utterly man-made devices and affectations. As such we will no longer allow any of these "traditions" to influence or be a part of the political course of this country."
Of course, this will never happen, as long as the 1% happily keep the 99% under fear of eternal punishment and reward as the reasons for living life based on a mish-mash of ancient fables and myths with their attendant rules and regulations.
unfortunately you are right. That is why the human species appears to be a failed species. we did not evolve intellectually so as to be able to separate our myths from reality.
So until and unless everybody sees the world your way we are all doomed? How is that different than the religions you decry?
Political parties based on religion as key principals of law are clearly NON DEMOCRATIC. This author is so biased in his reporting as to be unbelievable. Clearly the muslim brotherhood (a known terrorist organization) is not out for the good of the country or its people.............utterly preposterous and another example of Obama's arab spring democracy.....it is not democracy it is sharia law loving nutjobs...........another Iran another foreign policy Obama FAILURE!!! And eventually someone (US) with have to clean it up..............
A Christian Colombian girl who is taking a french language course with my sis-in-law liked the hijab and wanted my s-i-l to cover her head in the same way. We could see which way the wind is blowing. BTW, the girl's father is a surgeon and mother is a nurse.
A Romanian lady who has a doctorate in math showed up at our mosque asking about the prayer times and stated that since she is a mathematician she wants everything to be logical and Islam is logical. I guess even a doctor must be stupid for reverting to Islam.
David Kerresh had followers too and so did Hitler they converted to evil.............nothing new here evil doers have evil followers ..............like I said the muslims convert by violence to anyone that disagrees with them in poorer countries........claiming the good but violently enforcing sharia law there then wishing to move to western counties stay in Pakistan Iran , Egypt and Saudia arabia you have successfully screwed up all those nations do not come here to screw ours up..........
not many Saudis/Gulf Arabs move to the west actually, and why would they? the Gulf Arab states are very wealthy, ultramodern, safe and clean
Even a car salesman of inferior crappy dangerous cars gets customers sometimes...........does not mean they are wonderful cars just means they have some idiot sucker born everyday out there.........who will buy their bull.........t
Just like people will buy your BS about Islam.
Proud Muslim I am not against Islam although I do think it a false fake born in volence faith, (muhammed was a warrior and a murderer) and relatively new faith I see NO MIDEAST example of anything resembling democracy or freedom of rights so if your mideast birthplace of Islam is so wonderful, move there the USA does not want you screwing up our nation with crap about sharia law should be law or how wonderful Islam is when clearly you have ZERO examples of an islamic nation respecting the rights of others who are non muslim ZERO examles...........here we even have congressmen that are islamic and you can worship freely I do not see a lot of christian churches freely worshipping Egypt they just butchered thousands of them..............Iraq? Hillarious.......the Christians moved out or were killed. THE ONLY BS is your assertions of peaceful Islam...............non exist
these anecdotes if true sure do prove something, but i'm not sure what? that one has bad hair and the other a bipolar disorder?
quoting :
"ProudMuslim
Thank you so much for that love. There are tears in my eyes. I'm converting right now. Do I need to make an appointment with the priest to have my son done by the back or he is available at all times to do it."
Does Islam teach you to use colorful language like that on the one side and preach Allah on the other?
So when should we start fearing political Islam? When they blow up again New York, ....or Tel Aviv, London or Madrid? The apeasement policies of recent years have just opened the way for more power to Islamists throughout the world from Middle east to Afganistan, to Europe and America, one can see advancement of their ideology and policies.
I believe it was Dr. King who once reminded us that everything Hitler did in Germany to take power was "legal" by German law. It started as a democratic movement there supported by the vast majority of th epopulation and only lost majority support when the wars went badly. The danger inherit in true democracy is exactly why the United States is a representative republic, not a democracy. I don't understand why everyone thinks that because something is democratic it is OK. Democracy just means that majority rules, so if the majority want to do terrible things, then democracy says that is correct. I hope Mr. Zakarias optimism is proven justified when we look back, however history tells us that we better prepare ourselves for when it is not....
There are always consequences for doing terrible things. In a true democracy, those consequences will moderate the masses very quickly. In order to put these terrible things into action, the democracy must first be dismantled, which does happen. Many democracies in history were of the type that you had one or two elections before someone declares himself 'president for life'. If you bolster and support a new democratic movement you can prevent these 'one offs'. This was not done in the case of Nazi Germany. In that case the victors in WWI wanted to punish Germany, so nobody was in a position to influence events there.
Last two hundred years the Christain nations of Europe spread Christanity from China to West Africa killing thousands upon of innocent people and Muslims are called bad things. God bless you
The Arab Spring is a good thing. Brutal dictators have to go.
Brutal dictators go replaced by mullahs and hate filled more brutal sharia law....Christians killed in masse and no rights for anyone that disagrees with them............I think in six months of the muslim brother hood there will no longer be elections and they will be wishing Mubarack was back in power..............thankfully the military has not capitulated to the nuts yet.......
"Men deceive themselves in general matters, but come to know the truth in the details."
Shouting "Death to Israel!" is attractive because it makes disempowered people feel empowered. But once you are given a mandate to govern and the responsibilty is yours, some tiny foreign land that you can drive accross in an hour is the least of your concerns.
another example of why NOT ONE PENNY Of US TAXPAYER money should go to Egypt or ANY OTHER MUSLIM NATION....................Non democratic terrorist lovin crazies..........violent, rapists, pedofiles...........criminals. Who for some reason always wish to immigrate to the USA............but hate it......stay where you are and pay for your own.
Dude, as per your nic "LIBSlie", most of west is a bunch of liars since they are a bunch of liberals. Your assumption not mine. Since majority of you are liars then whatever you are saying is not worth listening to.
Yea watch Al Jezera for the truth........hillarious.............never met an honest muslim yet........or one that did not like little boys..esp in islamic counties........yea very logical
@LibsLie Please keep your aids and do not give any aids to any Muslim country. This is not aid these are bribes but you are too stupid to understand that. And you keep your dirty butt out of our countries and our affairs also. Do we have a deal?
I agree we should not give aid to any Muslim country, or any Muslim organization. For example, do not donate to the Red Cross because they share donations with the Red Crescent. As far as staying out of Muslim countries, I agree we should do that - when there are no more Muslim countries.
Tsk, tsk, ProudMuslim, your hate and infidel-phobia is showing. Well, after all, that IS what Islam is all about, after all. Infidels like me deserve to be slaughtered, right? We won't even talk about Muslims who don't have to live in squalor, but do, anyway, like bin Laden. The word "dirty" can apply both ways.
@ProudMuslim; I am an American and have been working in and around the Middle East for 15 years, the fact of USAID is one that you probably will never fathom. While some "AID" is freely given in countries like Sudan, Somalia, and Ethiopia for food and basic survival of starving peoples, I hardly think that it is a "Bribe", A starving women with a starving baby doesn't care that it say's USAID in the bag, she's trying to survive. The other "AID" has a process and system of required security in the bank for commercial projects and business initiatives; it has to be paid back! The only other "AID" is governmental and military, not cash but equipment [NOT weapons], and NGO support. You should thank your GOD that USAID was in Egypt during the worst months of the "Revolution", it delivered over 100K tons of grains and food stuffs to the Egyptian economy to keep your belly full [unlike Somalia and Darfur in recent years].
I think you will be singing a different tune when the USAID offices and Agriculture assistance is cut off from your precious Islamic nation, I have found that Arab's talk a great deal, then run to hide behind Momma's skirts, all the while shaking their fists and burning the American flag. BUT, still try to get the prestigious US Visa! Salam AliKum, Homar!
J, I'm Egyptian and I'm thankful to the usaid. Please disregard azzholes like this proudmuslim guy. I liked your last line, that was funny.
To @ProudMuslim (tee hee)
LOTS of men like to "do someone" at the back. In most cultures that makes them criminals unless the partner is fully ADULT, and VERY willing. Very few are. People who enjoy this stuff don't want to be on the receiving end of it; they want the feeling of dominating someone who is subservient (by inclination, or, more often, by force). Muslims get a big bang out of feeling dominant. That doesn't equate to being the one on the bottom.
Islam gives such men the great joy of being able to do so and feel righteous – even MANLY – in doing it. As if being too dinky for normal passageways is manly, somehow.
I seem to remember that Khadafi was "done at the back." By Muslims. The Arab Spring (tra la), no less. Have you asked them if they want more? To a Muslim, the aroma from that part of a person is probably...a perfume, and very arousing. Most other people just want to flush it.
So I suppose you're a true authority on "doing people at the back."
And you'd sit in judgment on a priest who is only doing what Allah calls righteous? That makes you a hypocrite, bud.
It is the "back-doing" that draws countless men to Islam. The dinky ones. Yet they call it being "manly"! Hilarious. They're also the ones who actually require a GOD to tell them they're real men.
Why do Egyptians Pakistanis and other muslims wish to move to the great Satan USA? And no USA citizens by the hundreds (probably not by the two or three idiots occasionally) wish to move there? Hmmmmmmmmmm go figure?
Keep you near and dear ones close. One day someone will say to you...I've reverted back to Islam...and then what will you do? It might just be your daughter who decided to marry a Muslim man.
lol that's the Iranian mullahs who call USA the "great satan" not Egypt or Pakistan
Don't fear "political Islam"? The political goal of Islam is world conquest and establishment of Islam everywhere. I'm not afraid, but I am angry. Don't try it around me.
Just the way Borat was saying: " Islam is a good religion............. NOT"
When are the millionaire, boobtube bobble-heads going to admit defeat and admit that their sacred Arab Spring is morphing into an Islamic ice age?
Let Islamists take over, you even would not have a chance to regret it.
There are NO moderate Islamists, it is better to call them NON-PRACTICING Muslims. A practicing Muslim is the one that imitates Mohammed who was characterized by being extremely immoral, cruel and merciless. The difference between a moderate and a hard liner Muslim is just the intensity how they practice their religion, a hard liner Muslim opts to lapidate a woman (kill by throwing stones) and a pious Muslim opts to hang her.
These brain-dead neanderthals deserve Islam.
Just like you and your son deserved it when your priest did you by the back. Did you guys go back for seconds?
Guys your anti-Islam statements will not deter people from reverting back to Islam or those who are already Muslim to frosake it. In fact, it's having the opposite effect. More and more people are becoming curious about Islam and once you look at it objectively, you will not go back to your erroneous and evil ways. Just like any other religion, society and country there will be good and bad people but we should not judge everyone based on the actions of a few.
Satan is always afraid of the truth but truth will always prevail.
I am happy to see that your a proud Muslim. There is a glaring statistic that in Muslim majority countries 90% of minorities have been eliminated over the past century. Are you proud of that record too? If so maybe we should learn from proud Muslims like you and treat Muslim as well as they have treated minorities.
Zakaria the Apologist. Apologize to the dead and burnt Christians in Egypt and Libya. Apologize to the terrified refugees fleeing shelling, be-headings, and honor killings. Apologize to the millions now living in abject fear. Go ahead . . . Apologize.
last time I saw the Christians in Egypt they were shielding the praying Muslims from the riot police
The trouble w/ this article is it ignores Iran, the original 'Arab spring'.
Fareed I love you but you have lost your mind. First there is a big difference between Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt. Morocco's and Tunisia has been moderate. Egypt is a completely different story. The Muslim brotherhood and the more conservitive party have been involved in killings of Copt christians. Talks to some coptic christians!
Zakaria, please watch the movie The Third Jihad. Jihadists and terrorists aren't the only threat to the existance of non-Muslims. Islamist fascists and supremacists are also a threat – they share the same goals as Bin Laden, but use different means.
The non-moderate Islamist fascists who want to kill non-Muslims and burn their houses of worship. They also support terrorism.
The wonderful "moderate" Islamist fascists who want to impose a "racist" social order where non-Muslims are reduced to a second-class "dhimmi" status. They have severe restrictions on their freedom of religion and will be put to death if they fully practice their religion. These wonderful "moderates" propose making non-Muslims pay an extra tax called "Jizya" until they convert to Islam. If they change their mind and convert back, they will be put to death. They operate in secular democratic countries and subvert the system using the host country's own laws until they can take away the rights of non-Muslims.
What is the big difference between these two groups?
There is not one example in history where the mix of religion and politics has ever worked. It does not matter which religion or political belief. Freedom is the first to go.
It is hilarious to see some comments here from Muslim men & Women saying the Islam promotes democracy /women right etc…..
1. Women are considered half men- in inheritance or court testimony and of course people nowadays extend this to every part of life. ( that’s why she shouldn’t be judge, or a leader and so on)
2. Islam dictates that women has to be covered – whether husbands/father enforce on their wives/kids or not that’s a separate issue – but the facts are Women’s hair, Arms , legs are considered “3ora” (equivalent to the word gentiles)
3.Islamic states donot allow non Muslims to be elected officials because it states in the Koran that non Muslims shouldn’t lead Muslims
If any one disputes any of the above- I am will to provide the versus from the Koran with page number- this is just to give the reader a flavor. As far as the western Muslims who live in Europe and the Americas, I truly feel for you – because western Muslims have been modernized enough to where they abandoned teachings like the ones listed above however they can’t or choose not to speak against their religion so they defend what is defendable and try to ignore the parts that doesn’t fit with their western world.
There cannot be compromise with such twisted views propogated against what muslims are truly about. It is obvious that a collision course is coming between true worshippers of God (Muslims) and worshippers of themselves (atheists and christians) who think that they know how to live a better life compared to the life we should live as instructed by their creator, some of these even deny that they were created !! Obviously this western mentality is worried of a way of living in which the rich do not focus on getting richer, but choose to share their wealth, where whole societies can live in poverty and still care for their families and those around them, where woman are protected and not discarded because men have had enough of them or seen something pretty, where they do not need to consume 80% of the worlds wealth to survive, where after this life they will have nothing, so they exploit and start wars with whoever they wish. As people continue to criticise muslims, it is ironic that more and more people are choosing to follow the creator, rather than their own desires. Islam is the best way of life, if not sabotaged or hijacked by anti-muslim sentiments or propoganda from the western world and media. It is this group of atheists and anti-islamic Christians who are the closed minded ones here, and who are listening far too much to the Jewish controlled anti-islamic media. Wake up western world, forces are at play here which are doing nothing but closing your minds. Read the Quraan and go and speak to someone in your nearby mosque about Islam, rather listening to people comment on Islam who are not even muslim and only know a fraction of what the religion is all about. WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP. Judgement day will not be a happy day for you if you are not following the creator of the heavans and the earth and all that lies in between.
How are woman better off in Islam when they have to wear a bag on their head and their husbands have other wives?
When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. Stop demanding that all humanity follow your belief.
John,
Obviously you are in denial. I used to be a muslim, now atheist, and read the quran several times over. The quran is a book that is full of hate and intolerance. Atheists do not preach the killing of non-atheist because they don not share the same belief. Unlike your holy book which encourages your people to kill the infidels.
You know it kills me to see someone who wants to hijack the true Islam and turn it into this wonderful, flowery, humble, loving, respectful thing. Just read about your prophet mohammad and what he did. This guy banged more women than you can imagine, he killed many men; he wants you to tax non-muslims; bend over 5 times on your knees and do the sit-ups facing some damn direction. Please dont paint Islam as this wonderful thing because it really is not. Im a minority and I lived in islamic countries and they are very hateful if you try to follow your own religion.You hijacked other's religion by choosing Islam and contributing to the Killing of innocent people
The real issue here is very simple that the arabs in general have decided to end oppression of their dictators that for the most part are allied with the western power ( New way of clonization) who derive them their resources and oppress them to the degree of abject poverty. Isrel has contributed tremedously to that effect. USA has invaded Iraq and Afganistan and Isreal is created at the expense of palestinean people who are forced into diaspora. Can you give me an example of islamic country who is occupying a western one. The Bush era and the neoconservatism who created this mess and the world is watching it's effect. Christians in the Miiddle East are not an oppressed minority. They are for the most part an economical and social power who had contributed positively in the history of arab countries. At least the arab christian population may exceed collectively to more than 40-50 millions.
No one is "occupying" a "palestinian" nation.....because there never was one.....
How can you be so filled with hate? What a miserable existence you must live.
zakaria, thank you for finally showing us how DUMB you are.....why are you a writer?
Dont attack Zakaria becuase you feel guilt, hate and anger with your zero iQ and not to mention the fear has taken over you and you are now paranoid and attacking a fair and balance journalist.
No he just actually does suck
It's pretty clear that Zakaria sympathizes with the Islamists.
Now you did it. started pulling words out of GOP book.
This is a very strange statement from otherwise very insightful Mr. Zakaria i.e. "The history of countries from Indonesia to Pakistan ...Once the dictatorships go, their appeal dwindles." I don't think this is true of India's neigbor Pakistan at all. Islamic parties hold tremedous sway in the country. The only reason they do not gain greater power is because ethnic rivalries between the Sindhis, Punjabis, Pathans and the Mohajirs is much more virulent than the love of the people for radical Islam. In fact it is the the Islamists who occupy the central position which is the minimum common agenda agreed to by most in Pakistan. Luckily in this is still a tribal country for most parts and therefore when it comes to voting people vote along ethnic lines. This has nothing to do with people becoming moderate. This model may ot work in Saudi Arabia for instance.
Completely agree....the islamists are successful with small majorities, simply because there is cohesion amongst them....the bulk of the people in the middle east are young....they don't want to trade a secular dictator for a religious one that is equally repressive....these people want facebook, not prayer mats.....
spot on
Mr. Zakaria,
How long do you think your 'Yet' will last?
So when Israel, in six decades, could not achieve peace except for two fragile treaties with Egypt and Jordan when she had 90% of the Arab countries had secular governments; yet, you expect the region to move further toward peace with 90% of the same countries turning into Islamic governments, and who knows, may be some will be more extreme than Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan!
Don't you see the new equation, Mr. Zakaria, 'Yet'?
They have the Oil, Population, Wealth and the 'Cause', while Europe and the US are struggling to keep their feet steady on the ‘grounds’, or should I say, on the sand.
The war is coming, this time is not the way which the West used to wage by superior weapons, bombs and mass killings; the war fuel this time is extreme faith, revenge and numbers. Just look at the map from Morocco to Iraq, from Somalia to Turkey and try to ‘recollect’ the same map two decades ago.
Well, I pity you and our friend Tom, if you both still can’t see nothing serious coming in the forecast.
shut up fareed. we dont care what you think about islamists...we KNOW what they are...we dont need you constantly trying to contextualize them for us....
Don't fear ISLAM(e). It's those Towel Heads that practice it that we need to fear.
For more insight into the Middle East read the international best seller -- king of Bat'ha
Calling the Muslim Brotherhood Moderate shows Zakaria's lack of understanding about the region. There have already been attacks from Egypt on Israelis, Egyptians have attacked the gas pipeline in Egypt which transfers gas to Israel, Egyptians have stormed the Israeli Embassy in Cairo, and have opened the border with Gaza, which allows terrorists and materials to enter the Strip to be used against Israel. This is moderation?
You are an idiot and totally wrong my friend
Shame,
Please be advised the following
2000 persons are killed in the world.
24 incidents are related/alleged to be done by terrorists(non Muslim too)
Out of the above 2000 half of the killings happen in good old USA.
Get over the baise.
Not a week goes by without reporting a terrorist bombing in Pakistan, Afghanistan, or Iraq and it always kills from 5 to 60 or 80 people at a time. We do kill in America, but it's usually one at a time and usually it's some a**hole who really needs it. The muslim bombs kill women and children at a school or market without any provocation from the innocent victims. The bombs are indiscriminate
I totally agree with Fareed. The West is paranoid that the Iranian model will repeat in the Arab world and parties like the Muslim Brotherhood would become more regressive. The first step is for the West to ignore Netanyahu's comments. Even in Israel, his views are not the majority view. Secondly, all these 'politically correct' Islamic parties are on a crusade to undo the 'evils' of the past. In this mix, they include anything that is perceived'unjust' and for this, they tend to blame the West. All this will change, when the realities will show that they have to moderate their position,once in power. For once, the West is on the same side as the protesters and we should continue to take the high road
A review of the English Civil War and the English experience during Cromwell's Interregnum demonstrates quite well that we don't always want "fundamentalism." But, unfortunately, fundamentalist authority has to be had before we can appreciate less rigid thinking – and governance.
women have no rights. They must cover up. They can't drive cars. Infidels must be killed. Lets blow up people who don't believe as we do. What a great religion.
Who is Fareed and why is he the all wise, all knowing guru of the world. He is just another person with just another opinion. He is not blessed with any uncommon wisdom that provides all the answers to the worlds problems. I grow tired of hearing "Fareed says".
I think you are so far off reality you scare me, if you were Muslim I would say you are using TAQIYA, see no evil, speak no evil, act like Islam is good, but in your heart remain true to jihad, deny, deny, deny! you need to educate, and teach the true movement towards a caliphate which is already in motion. Heads WILL be fly if they don't convert. This is reality! Speak the truth. Yes you better fear political Islam, it is in the White House all ready. Muslim Brotherhood, Obama? Just tell it like it is, tell the truth! Fubar !
haha you must hang out too much in anti-islam fundi christian and Zionazi fanatic birther sites and the old myth Obama is Muslim.
I fear any government rooted in religion.
Bravo democracy! These women-stoning neanderthals deserve Sharia Law and an Islamic state for themselves and their children! Bravo democracy!
The Muslim civilization is coming back while the West is falling.
'...coming back...' You meant to type going back -wards, I guess?
Silly! Building a civilization needs more than just a religion. It needs science, technology, research, education...Oh what am I forgetting, entertainment, music etc. etc. Do you even allow the music in Izalam?
Fareed, you sound like a wolf wearing sheep skin. Using soft power and the media in trying to influence Islam onto others. Readers and listeners need to be careful.
Hail freedom and justice. The people chose and their will shall be respected. No one raised alarm when Americans voted twice for the devil in the 2000's. Americans are the last to judge how others vote given their track record of voting for ignorantes, war mongers, fundi christian, sx perverts, corp. dummies, corrupt leaders.
Islam is the only religion on earth that turns its most pious followers into suicidal mass murderers. Until that changes, Islam is to be feared and travel of Muslims into the west needs to be severely restricted.
Democracy and policies in line with the view of the people is a good thing, provided the people are wise enough to know what they want. Unfortunately, they don't know or understand rule of law and they don't see Israel as a potential resource, but as an enemy. In fact, Egypt would do well to try to copy Israeli society, developing it's educational system, economy and agriculture, a free press and an open Democratic society. It would also be nice for Gaza to try it themselves, as they haven't held an election in years.
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ضحكت وأنا أرى اسم المجرم الدولي حاكم الزاملي على شاشة بعض القنوات الفضائية العراقية، وأرى صورته للمرة الأُولى في حياتي. قد يستغرب البعض من أنني لم أر صورته من قبل، والحقيقة أنني لم أحرص على رؤية صورة أي واحد من هؤلاء الوضعاء يوماً من الأيام، وأتذكر دوماً قول النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم وهو يحكي قصة العابد جريج وكيف دعت عليه أمه حين انشغل عن أمرها بالصلاة قائلة: (أدعو الله أن لا يميتك حتى تنظر إلى وجوه المومسات)(1).. أتذكر هذه العبارة كلما اقتحمت عليّ سكينتي صورة من تلك الصور الشائهة.
أما لماذا ضحكت؟ فلأن هذا المجرم اختير في مجلس النواب العراقي لرئاسة لجنة التحقيق في التفجير الذي استهدف المجلس قبل أيام قليلة! كيف لعتل عاتٍ من عتاة جيش المهدي، المتهم بارتكاب جرائة إبادة جماعية بأدلة لا تقبل النقض، مستغلاً منصبه كوكيل لوزير الصحة زميله في الإجرام في أسوأ فترة للقتل الطائفي، كيف لمثل هذا أن يلعق تلك الدماء ويمسح سكينته بلباسه ليعود نائباً في البرلمان عن التيار الصدري، ويترأس لجاناً تحقيقية؟!
لا عجب إذن أن تأتي نتيجة التحقيق على تلك الصورة المضحكة! وحسب الفصال الذي يناسب المالكي!
من هو حاكم الزاملي ؟
هو حاكم عباس موسى الزاملي، من أبرز قادة فرق الموت التابعة لجيش المهدي، قضى سنوات في ايران وتلقى هناك دورات تدريبية في العمل الاستخباري. تولى منصب وكيل وزير الصحة في حكومة المالكي الأولى سنة 2006. المتهم الأول بتصفية مدير صحة ديالى النائب عن كتلة التوافق د. علي المهداوي والمرشح لمنصب الوكيل عند مجيئه إلى مقر الوزارة ببغداد لاستلام منصبه صباح يوم الاثنين 12/6/2006 فاختفى داخل مبنى الوزارة مع ثلاثه من مرافقيه أحدهم شقيقه، وفقد الجميع هناك ولم يعثر لهم من لحظتها على خبر!
باتت وزارة الصحة في أيامه تعرف لدى العراقيين بالوزارة الأمنية الثانية بعد الداخلية. تحولت مستشفيات بغداد في عهده، والمؤسسات والدوائر التابعة للوزارة إلى أقبية ومصائد للموت تتلقف أبناء السنة رجالاً ونساء، وأما سيارات الإسعاف فقابضة لأرواحهم وأجسادهم، تنقلها إلى أوكار القتل في حي الثورة وغيره من الأحياء الشيعية، موزعة إياها على المزابل ومجاري الصرف.
كان الزاملي يشرف على سجن تابع لوزارة الصحة، ولديه تنسيق مع النائب عن الائتلاف العراقي جلال الدين الصغير إمام جامع براثا الذي يضم معتقلا جرى تصفية عدد من العراقيين المناوئين للسيطرة الإيرانية فيه ودفنهم في مقبرة جماعية تحيط بالجامع.
اعتقال الزاملي
بعد أن فاضت جرائم حاكم الزاملي وأضحت روائحها تزكم الانوف، وبعد ان رفض نوري المالكي اعتقال هذا المجرم، قامت القوات الامريكية بدهم وتفتيش منزل الزاملي في 30/10/2006 واعتقاله ثم تسليمه الى القضاء العراقي بتهمة اختطاف العشرات من الأبرياء. ولكن توقفت الاجراءات ضده بتدخل المالكي لدى الامريكيين بعد تلقيه اتصالاً من مقتدى الصدر الذي يعد الزاملي عينه السرية في الاجتماعات التي لا يستطيع حضورها! أسفرت تحقيقات الجيش الامريكي عن حقائق خطيرة جاء بعضها في بيان له، منها:
- قيامه بتعيين أعداد كبيرة من أعضاء ميليشيا جيش المهدي الموالية لمقتدى الصدر في وزارة الصحة.
- تمويل ميليشيا جيش المهدي، وتحويل ملايين الدولارات الامريكية اليها. (وتابع البيان الامريكي: أفادت تقارير أن أعضاء الميليشيا هؤلاء يستهدفون مدنيين عراقيين مستخدمين منشآت وزارة الصحة وأجهزتها في أعمال خطف وقتل طائفية).
- اعترف الزاملي بعد اعتقاله مباشرة بمشاركة وزير الصحة له في جرائمه، وقدم للمحققين الأمريكان أسماء (61) من قادة فرق الموت في بغداد والنجف والسماوة.
- اعترف باستخدامه عربات الإسعاف لنقل الأسلحة والمطلوبين من أفراد جيش المهدي، ونقل المختطفين الى منطقة خلف السدة (في حي الثورة) لقتلهم هناك(2). إ.ه.
وزير الصحة علي الشمري شريك حاكم الزاملي
ما من شك في أن المسؤول الاول في وزارة الصحة عن هذه الجرائم الإنسانية هو علي حسين الشمري وزير الصحة في تلك الفترة عن التيار الصدري. من جرائم هذا الشخص أنه اوافق على استخدام جثث العراقيين المغدورين في ثلاجات الموتى على يد المليشيات في عمليات التشريح والدراسة لكليات الطب في بغداد والمحافظات، وأمر بالموافقة على الاستفادة من أعضاء هذه الجثث واخفاء اية معلومات عن ذوي ضحايا. حمل أمر الوزير الرقم 7598 في 17/9/2006 تحت عنوان "سري للغاية"، وتم توزيعه على دوائر الطب العدلي والمستشفيات العراقية. وكان هذا أحد أسباب استمرار ضياع جثث العراقيين المغدورين، وقد أسست لذلك شبكة لبيع الجثث المتورط فيها الوزير ونائبه الزاملي اللذان يشرفان على شبكة أُخرى استخبارية في المستشفيات لاصطياد الجرحى والمرضى وتصفيتهم على أساس طائفي. كما أنهما على صلة بشبكة استخراج الجثث من المشرحة مقابل مبالغ مالية حيث يضطر ذوو الضحايا الى استئجار عناصر من المليشيات التابعة لوزارة الصحة لتسليمهم جثث ابنائهم المقتولين والمرميين في المشرحة، التي يعني الوصول اليها من ذوي الضحايا تصفيتهم الفورية، وهي تجارة تدر مئات الآلاف من الدولارات على اصحابها شهرياً.
في وقتها كتب الصحفي الشيعي سمير عبيد في موقعه: "كشفت مداهمة الأمريكان لمقر الوزارة، واعتقال (الزاملي) عن تقارير وسجلات وخطط مرعبة كانت تقوم بها وزارة الصحة، ولصالح بعض القوى التي توالي إيران، حيث تبين أن وزارة الصحة عبارة عن مسلخ بشري، ودكان لبيع الأعضاء البشرية من خلال عصابات خاصة مهمتها المتاجرة بالأعضاء البشرية التي يتم سرقتها من الأبرياء قبيل وبعد قتلهم. ولقد اعترف الزاملي بأن وزير الصحة (الشمري) كان يقوم بتحويل الأموال، المخصصة رسمياً لميزانية الوزارة، إلى عصابات الموت التي تشرف إيران على توزيعها وانتشارها، من خلال مجموعات الحرس الثوري الإيراني المتسللة في العراق. واعترف كذلك بأن الوزير كان على علم بتوزيع الجثث على المستشفيات والمشرحة. وأنه كان على علم أيضاً بأن تلك الخلايا توالي إيران، وتنفذ توجيهات الحرس الثوري الإيراني حسب التصريحات التي أدلى بها لنا أحد نواب البرلمان العراقي المقرب من لجان التحقيق الخاصة بهذه القضية. لهذا شعر الوزير بالخوف فتمكن من الهرب ليلة الأحد المصادف 17/2/2007 الفائت نحو إيران، خوفا من الاعتقال والتحقيق على ضوء المعلومات التي أدلى بها وكيله الزاملي، والذي أدعى أيضا بأن الوزير كان يوقع على شيكات كبيرة لصالح عصابات الموت"(3).
وكانت سرعة اعترافه، وانتشار تفاصيل تلك الاعترافات جعلت الأمريكان يعلنون عن أن لجنة تحقيق أمريكية برئاسة الكولونيل مارك مارتنيز أحالت حاكم الزاملي واللواء حامد الشمري قائد حماية وزارة الصحة، إلى محكمة علنية وصفت بأنها ستكون أهم من محاكمة مسؤولي النظام السابق. لكن لأن ميليشيات جيش المهدي تحكم سيطرتها على القضاء والمحاكم ومراكز الشرطة، فقد تم اسقاط التهم الموجهة ضد حاكم الزاملي ومن ثم اطلق سراحه بعد أن عجز الشهود وأصحاب الدعاوى عن الوصول إلى المحكمة للادلاء بشهاداتهم!
وهكذا تم اطلاق سراح حاكم الزاملي في أسرع عملية اطلاق سراح، حيث لم تتجاوز فترة اعتقاله السنة الواحدة، رغم أن أمريكان صرحوا بأن محاكمته ستكون "محاكمة القرن"! وها هو اليوم عضو في مجلس النواب العراقي عضواً في مجلس الأمن والدفاع(4)!
نقض قرار الإفراج
أخيراً أصدرت محكمة التمييز الاتحادية بعددها المرقم/141 /هيئة عامة /2008 في 30/3/2010 قراراً تمييزياً يقضي بنقض قرار الأفراج الصادر من محكمة الجنايات المركزية في الرصافة ذو العدد/224/ ج1/ 2008 في 3/3/2008 والذي يقضي بالأفراج عن المجرم حاكم عباس موسى الزاملي وجماعته..! وقد طلبت محكمة التمييز الاتحادية بقرارها من محكمة التحقيق التعمق بالتحقيق مع المجرم حاكم الزاملي ومجموعته كونهم متورطين بجرائم موثقة لعمليات الخطف والقتل والتسليب، وهناك شكاوى مقيدة ضدهم من قبل المدعين بالحق الشخصي التي تؤكد قيامهم بهذه الجرائم(5). ومع ذلك أصبح الزاملي عضواً في مجلس النواب العراقي رغم أنه يحمل على صدره أوسمة بهذا العيار من أوسمة الجريمة!
ترى!
كم في حكومة المالكي ومجلس نوابه ودوائر دولته من أمثال الزاملي؟!
المضحك أن هؤلاء الحمقى ربما اطمأنوا إلى أنهم سيظلون طلقاء دون دفع استحقاق ما اقترفته أيديهم من جرائم ضد الإنسانية في حق سنة العراق!
خابوا وخسئوا.. وإن غداً لناظره قريب.
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Cram, this is an article about the conflict between the sunnies and shiates in iraq during the war. I skimmed reading it, I'm not sure why this person is posting this nonsense here, has nothing to do with Fareed's article.
Quote from Zakaria: "Despite the shift, there is no indication that Egypt or Tunisia now wants to wage war on Israel."
Really? How about the embassy that was a attacked by the populace. You said that govt is an expression of the masses there now – and all the rhetoric about abrogating Camp David – we should just ignore. How about how the Copts are being treated?... You are right, Zakaria, Nothing to feear
Zakari must be an islamist. Who is this idiot that everyone laps up everything he thinks & says? Just another idiot, who people find attractive.
Islamic religion/culture is still Medieval, like they got stuck in time warp. Western civilization went through Renaissance, Enlightenment, to modern age, Islam always stayed the same and that's exactly why Islamism is completely incompatible with Western culture. This is something we do have to fear, and something we must fight against.
I am not sure bout Zakaria, he seems to always be standing up for the commonly viewed more fundamentalist side. I nottice on CNN he constantly takes the more Iranian regime side of things as a journalist, taking his chance to side against Israel and with Islam. Just noticing, maybe I'm wrong, but i doubt it.
Your right about islam PPJ, I feel sad when I think what my country use to be, before the "great" prophet invaded it along with his followers, killing, raping, and enslaving our people into their religion for hundreds of years. Imposing their awful culture (not successfully luckily) and degrading the once proud women of our culture into nothing more than a dog. I can't lay claim to any one religion, but I do know Jesus, Moses, and Abraham didn't kill others into submission to their religion, or go around wedding 5 and 6 year old girls of his concquered areas, and creating a book which sanctifies these awful actions. Only If this never occurred, i only wonder!!!
Perhaps you should read about the jewish conquest of canaan. Joshua pretty much massacred every man, woman and child of Jericho to send a message to other villages of what would happen to them if they didn't surrender. Read about the early jewish battles and you will see that their history does not portray them to be a peaceful people in the early times. Of course,in those days, peaceful people had no chance to survive.
The Jewish people may well have a legitimate concern about what has been taking place during the turmoil in the middle eastern countries.
Except in the very recent history, Countries where Islam is dominant have not included legislative bodies attached to a Muslim government to make laws for the efficient administration of a country. The reason is that the Qur'an, the Hadis and the Fiqh gave a complete code of laws, a social and moral code, a criminal code, a cival code, and a religious code. Indeed, it is a code of life, most feel a perfect code adaptable to the people of all climes. Hence, there is no need for legislative bodies or kings and emperors as exsist even in the birthplace of Islam.
The only democracy is the election of a government leader who is required to receive his counsels from Muslim religious leaders. Though Islam sanctioned democracy, the government is only for carrying out the administration according to the true spirit of Islam. It is a government mixed with religion. The divorce of politics from Islamic morality and godless diplomacy do not find support is Islam.
This why Shariah Law is such an issue in America. American Muslims cannot pick and choose what parts of Islam they want to follow lest they exceed the pale of Islam. The blood, sweat and tears shed by Americans to preserve and develop a more perfect union that we enjoy today will give no quarter those that wish to hide criminal acts behind any religion. The Jewish nation of Israel will not wait for uncle Sam's OK to eliminate the sword of Damocles that hangs over their heads held by nations like Iran.
Great Article we would like to hear more of this subject be strong and don’t worry about what others are saying about you… Islam is a great Religion you should all understand it before you say anything bad about it, the media always show you the wrong side of it…the part they want you to know…we respect you respect us it’s simple!!!
You should talk to some Copt Christians in Egypt where they burn about 5 churches a year and murder more than 200 just because they are non-muslim. In addition before you say these are a few these are the safis which got 24% of the egyptian vote representing 20+ million people. In saudia Arabia they do not burn churches or synogages anymore do you know why? That is because they killed them all long ago. I somehow do feel they should be rewarded for this.
All you have to do is look at the majority Islamic countries in the world and it will tell you all you need to know about the culture of Islam. 3/4 of theme are pathetic!
One wonders if one shouldn't be afraid of one's obliteration by muslims – largest group of believers in the world (I understand). I don't think I will be around to see this, but one wonders what is to become of non-muslims of the world? It appears to me that there is an unrelenting drive by muslims of all types to change this world as we know it. Should we fear them?
The consequences for Israel being wrong vs. a commentator sitting comfortably in the USA are not comparable. Fareed like Obama are drinking their own Kool-Aid of wishful thinking. Like some people wanted to believe Hitler was not going to be that mean.......
first of all not only the islamists have a tough views on israel but also all egyptian people even liberals and secular
Netanyahu should respect palestinian's rights before speaking about egyptian's views once he does that we will let israel live in peace because we also wanna live in peace
What in the world.
What in the world is Fareed on CNN. Clearly he is against Isreal and pro Islam. Journalism should not be so biased, especially on CNN.
Religion and politics don't mix.
Any religion – any country.
Due to America , Despotism was result in Middle east . Without American support , It was quite impossible to retain power despot . That means , America was against Most majority people will . But American always forget their black history . When Revolvino takes place , American changed the side . They pretend that they are supporting people and revolution . Now again , when people wants to build their country by their own values , then again publishing news against it . West won the world by superiority of Applying organized violence . It is true . Often west forget this fact , but we never do . We will not accept western imperialism and double standard, extremist foreign policy . Now it is also sin . American people thinking style is that whole word will serve for their interest and will be slaves of American . Then america will be satisfied . Otherwise not . Only American think judge China as enemy only for their economic development . American immoral , devil work will be ended soon . You should do fear as two force is coming to resist you from stealing other country business , wealth , your double standard , extremist nature .
Its very simple: Lets do a little background check on your Prophet Mohammad. He was a tradesmen living in a area where their was no uniformity. People believed in different things and it was difficult to get along with one another. So what did Mohammad do? Well to benefit financially, he saw the opportunity to bring some uniformity, a sense of commonality; something the community can share with one another. Once he tried to offer a single religion that everyone can conform with, they kicked him out of Mecca. They didnt want to be told what to do; so what did Mohammad do; he recruited men so they could go back to Mecca and wage war. The war happened, their was blood shed and ultimately Mohammad gained control of the area. He threatened everyone that if they didnt convert to ISLAM (meaning SURRENDER) than they will be persecuted or killed. (kind sounds like what happens in that area now). So many surrendered just to continue with their business and not because they believed in the religion of ISLAM.
Convince me please, how does a man, who kills others and occupies them and forces them to convert become qualified as a prophet. How does such a violent man who wanted to benefit financially be called a prophet?
It makes absolutely no sense, and resembles the life in Middle East, which makes absolutely no sense. It all starts from the roots, and thats Mohammad! You have him to thank for the mess your region is in. Yes, the Kuran, the so called "holy Book" which teaches you about war in the first half and "peace' the second half. That sounds pretty unholy to me my friends.
But for Prophet Mohammed (Peace be upon Him) no other *person* who *established* a major world religion Waged A War.
Jesus, Buddha, Confucius, Tao – None of them went to war. I am talking only major world religions that were established by the teachings of a living person.
Please explain to me when did Jesus go to War or start a War? Please give me some facts as to when jesus recruited men to go fight and kill others or try to occupy a land and force everyone to convert? He was a man of peace and love and he preached to others peace and love; he condoned violence!
Moderate islam he says haha, tell that to the guy getting 500 lashes and a year in jail.
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Islamic leaders have met in Marriott, Houston for last 7 years and have moderated their tone significantly. Islam will be there but in moderation. Leaders are free. Kings are free. Masses may be attach to old traditions. But there is change here.
Extremism is gone. Egypt is like India. Pakistan has changed in Houston. There is free communication between heads of state.
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Indian Prime Minister Mr. Manmohan Singh has died in Mumbai in Beach Candy. Congress party has 30 days to choose new Prime Minister. Sonia Gandhi's Daughter Madame Priyanka Gandhi is favorite to replace him.
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Troll".. He's not dead get a life!
Zakaria writes articles any undergraduate could produce and makes millions. The man could have a curry farting gassy episode and still rae in e $$$. Shame on CNN.
I am sorry to say that Fareed is just there to allow the Hawkish US Media to Malign US Countries under his Muslim name?
No questions asked?
I have never read a constructive or balance article from this chap as he lets his personal views through all too often?
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Freedom of Press or press should be free from everything.
Press should come out of their nations and see everything objectively.
Let elites play the game here.... press wants to report it or not is press decision.
But Press should be happy. In last 11 years press has suffered heavily under Mariott Houston.
Press should be very smart and selfish always looking for personal satisfaction and happiness today.
Stupid people have descended on this planet today. Speech is rubbish. Masses are uneven and gone.
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Future Interem Presidents:
Don't get bog down in details... Have good relation with Iron Triangle. Press, Congress and Pentagon.
In Foreign policy or domestic solve problems with resources. Resources are available with CIA or Government.
You have to maintain WhiteHouse. Rest will be done by CIA. Have good relation with CIA and FBI.
They will give you full respect. All planes are yours. All Limo are yours. everything.
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Sam Rupani
Houston, Texas, USA
Islam should be considered a disease and not allowed to spread in the Western world.
Good Morning.
People like to watch games.
Internal games in 10 countries are in full swing.
Heads of state will not come to Houston and maintain their positions in this games.
Press is also busy covering these games.
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Sam Rupani
Houston, Texas, USA
Where their political systems will be based on Islam or not, why should it bother any one. it is their land for God sake, not yours. stinking infidels!
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Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is cremated today 1 hour ago.
A second duplicate Manmohan Singh will take its place till he is killed in accident and then Priyanka Gandhi becomes Prime Minister.
CIA CBI
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India has purchased 500 drones from Germany and 48 drones from America.... 2 for each state.
23 Drones more from America for New Delhi for Police use.
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Dish Network is out of hand. People watch it as if they are living in their respective country. It is very annoying.
Dish Network should be put under Police Rule and Censorship should be applied for language and Children.
Hollywood should be involved here for meaningful programs.
Ads are also very bad and should be modified.
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Sam Rupani
Houston, Texas
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It is duty of King to give Hier to Throne. Sweden has Crown Prince Micheal Rupani. He is very nice man. A road scholar who has MBA from Stanford. He also has Nobel Peace Prize. He is only 10. We will Micheal in future...
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Sam Rupani
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I smile everytime Fareed refers to "moderate" Islamic fundamentalists. I smile because of the obvious contradiction in terms. It apparently doesn't enter into Fareed's thoughts; nothing will deter that mindset of his.
The problem is: we have an Ass Hole called Fareed Zakaria, I think he is from Egypt and write as an expert. In a previous report, he mentioned that Obama call him reguarly for advise. People like him make me sick, he is trying to say there is moderat Muslims, where? can he tells me. My sister lives in Cairo, she went to attend her husband funeral, but she returned home to find her place is broken, and she lost her gole and money. they didn't even left some change for food. I need somebody to confirm to me that there is moderate muslims. good bye Ass Hole Zakatia
"War is deceit". Anyone who believes that the MB is moderate is either naive or has not read their history. There is no such thing as "moderate" in Islam. Islam is a radical political totalitarian ideology masquerading as a religion. Islamic sacred texts, ahadith, et al, stand alone amongst the religions of this world by COMMANDING the faithful to be intolerant -or worse – toward non-believers. I'm not buying your kool-aid Dr. Fareed.
This guy makes Kissinger look like a drop out. He has an amazing grasp of the entire picture and can just as easily focus on the smallest detail all the while making it understandable to anyone with even a slight interest.
Obama needs advice he could do no better than talk to this guy instead of all the people around him who's only interest is Israel.
"Moderate Islamic groups"? That's a clever codeword if I've ever heard one.
The head of the Muslim Brotherhood is Mohammed Badie. You can read his "moderate" remarks on Jews and the like here:
http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/muslim_brotherhood?Multi_page_sections=sHeading_2
"Allah has warned us the tricks of the Jews, and their role in igniting the fire of wars…The Almighty said: 'Every time they light the fires of war, Allah extinguishes them; and they labor hard to spread corruption on earth and Allah does not love the spreaders of corruption."
Can y'all feel the love and tolerance?
لا زلِتُ أذْكُرُ يومَ اختطافي على الطريقِ الواصِلِ بينَ سَاحةِ اللقاءِ ومنطقةِ الوشاش وسطَ بغداد قبْلَ أكثرَ مِنْ أربعِ سنين على يدِ أفرادِ دوريةِ شرطةِ منطقةِ المنصور ثم بيعَهم ليْ إلى ميلشيا جيشِ المهدي الدجال . هكذا بَدأ صاحبي بسرْدِ قصتِه عليَّ بَعْدَ أنْ عَرفَ اهتماماتي في الكتابةِ ضِدَّ الفكرِ الهدمي الشيعي.
يقولُ صاحبي: لازِلْتُ أذْكُرُ السَّاعةَ التي اُختُطِفْتُ فيها كأنَّ أحْدَاثَها تجري للتو . كانتِ السَّاعةُ قدْ تجاوزتْ الثانيةَ ظهراً ، وكانتِ الشوارعُ شِبهَ خاليةٍ إلاَّ مِن بعضِ المارَّة هنا أوْ هناك حينَما استوقفت سيارتي دوريةُ شرطةِ المنصور ، وطالبتْنِي بهويتي التي تقرأ أنَّنِي موظفٌ في دائرةِ استثمارِ أموالِ الوقفِ السُّني حينَها طلبوا مِنَّي التَّرجُلَ مِنَ السَّيارةِ والركوبَ معَهُم وحينَها عرفتُ أنَّهُم مُقدِمُونَ على اختطافي ولاسَّيما بعدَ الحوادثِ المتكررةِ التي كنَّا نسْمَعُ عنْها ونراها أمَامَنا هنا أو هناك ، لمْ استطِعْ أنْ أُقاوِمَ أفرادَ الدَّورية لأنَّهُم كانُوا خمْسَةَ أفرادٍ مسلحين ، ولمْ استَطِعْ أنْ أطْلُبَ النجْدَةَ مِنْ قبلِ بعضِ المارَّةِ الذين بدورِهم أسْرَعُوا في الهُرُوبِ مِنَ المكان . فمنَّيتُ نفسي أنَّهُم رُبَّما يطلقون سراحي بعدَ أنْ يحققوا معي ، ولَكِنَّها كانتْ مُجردَ أُمْنيةٍ أُمّنيّ بها نفسي تشبثاً مِنَّي بهذه الحياةِ. لا أستطيعُ أنْ أصِفَ شعوري وخلجاتِ نفسي في تلك اللحظةِ ؛ فلقد كنْتُ خائفاً جِدّاً وأفكرُّ بأولادي وزوجتي وأمي وأبي ومصِيرِهم مِنْ بعدي ومدى حزنِهم عليَّ.
لم أُطِلْ الوقوفَ والتّوسُلَ بهم والتحايلَ عليهم كي يتركوني لأنَّ عنواني كان واضحاً ، وكان الخورُ والضعفُ قد بلغ مِنّي مبْلَغَه فصعدتُ معهم السيارةَ وأنا كُلّي أمَلٌ في حصولِ معجزةٍ ما ؛ لكنْ سُرعانَ ما اتصلَ أحدُ أفرادِ الدورية بسّيدٍ يُقالُ له سّيد علاء ، وبدأ يساومه في بيعي له . عرفتُ لاحقاً أنَّ السّيد المذكور مسؤولٌ عن بعضِ مجاميعِ ميلشيا مقتدى ، وهنا أدْرَكْتُ أنَّ موتي أصبحَ مسألةَ وقتٍ لا غير. وهكذا تم بيعي ب(100 ألف دينار أي ما يقرب من 75 دولار) وأُخِذْتُ إلى بيتٍ كائنٍ في حي أور ، وأُدْخِلْتُ غرفةً مِنْ غُرَفِهِ فوجدتُ أمامي ثلاثةَ أشْخَاصٍ أحدُهُما شيخٌ كبيرٌ والآخرُ شابٌّ مُرَاهِقٌ لا يتجاوز عمرُهُ (16) سنة والثالث رجلٌ قد جاوز عقدَه الثالث عرفتُ بعدَها أنَّ اسْمَه عُمرُ العبيدي وكانَ رجُلاً صاحبَ دينٍ وملتحياً فرُمِيتُ إلى جنْبِ هؤلاءِ . وبدأ الخاطفون يتصلون بأهلي لمساومتهم على مبلغ عشرين دفتر (200 ألف دولار) بعد أن أسمعوهم صوتي، وبدؤوا يتعاملون مع أهلي ويساومونَهم .
كانت لحظاتٍ عصيبةً جدّاً كُنَّا يومياً نؤخذُ لنُعذَبَ مدة ساعتين أو ثلاثة بشتى أساليبِ التعذيبِ ، ومنْها قلعُ أظافرِنا وثقبُ أجسامِنا بالدريل وسكبُ الماءِ الحارِّ جدَّاً على رؤوسِنا ، وكُنَّا جميعاً جزعين إلاَّ عمر العبيدي فمع أنَّه أكثرُنا تعذيباً من قبلهم إلاَّ أنَّه أجْلَدُنا وأصبَرُنا وكثيراً ما كانتْ تعلو وجهَه ابتسامةٌ صفراءُ ساخرةٌ . لا زلِتُ أذْكُرُ أنَّهم حينَما كانوا يأخذونَه من غرفتنا فإنهم كانوا يجرجرونه من لحيته ، ويشبعونه تعذيباً ، وكنُّا نسمعُ صُراخَه يومياً في الليل ، وكانوا يقولون له : ها أبو جفصة (استهزاءً باسم ابنته حفصة ) ها وهابي (شنو رأيك هسه) .
أذْكُرُ أننَّا كُنَّا في بيتٍ تسكُنُه عائلةٌ نسمعُ صباحاً صوتَ أطفالِهم ونسائهم وصوتَ أعمالِهم المنزلية ، وكنَّا نستغيثُ بهم وليس من مغيث حتى أنَّ الشابَّ المراهِقَ معنا توسل بامرأةٍ عجوزٍ في البيت وخاطبَها بقوله:( يمه الله يخليج بلكي تخلصينا )فالتفت إليه العجوز وهي تقول له: إنجب (اخرس) وهابية .
كان الجميعُ قدْ أيقنَ بالموتِ وطلبوه ودعوا اللهَ أنْ يُخَلِصَهم مِنْ هذا العذابِ الذي هم فيه ، وسُرعانَ ما بدأ التنفيذُ والشروعُ بالقتلِ حينَما همَّت مجموعةٌ بتهيئةِ عمر العبيدي لقتلِه وحينَها سألتُ عمرَ لماذا هذهِ الابتسامةُ على مُحيَّاكَ ؟. فقال أنا أحمدُ اللهَ ربي أنَّني لم أكنْ في يومٍ مِن الأيام مخدوعا بهؤلاء أو مخدوعا بدينهم لقد كنت أعرفهم وأعرف خصَالهم جيدا ، وأعرفُ أنَّ دينَهم هو من يأمرهم بذلك ولهذا أنا حينَما سوف أقابلُ ربي فإنَّي سأقولُ له بملءِ فمي لقد قُتلِتُ مِنْ أجْلِ دينِك ومِنْ أجْلِ حُمَاةِ دينِك صحابةِ رسولِك (صلى اللهُ عليِه وسلم) ومِنْ أجْلِ أنَّني نافحتُ ضِدَّ أعداءِ دينِك . فأنا مُرْتاحٌ اليوم لأنَّني لمْ أكنْ يوماً مخدوعاً بهم . أمَّا أنتم وأمثُالكم كثيرٌ من أهلِ السُّنةِ فلا زلتُم إلى هذا اليومِ وأنتُم أحْدُ شخصين ، شخصٌ لا يعرف لماذا هذا الحقدُ عليه ، وشخصٌ يعرف لكنَّه يقولُ ليسوا سواء – أي ليس جميعهم حاقدين وقتلة – .
لم يكد عمر العبيدي يُكْمِلُ كلامَه حتى سمِعْنا صوتَ جلبةٍ أمَامَ البابِ وإذا بمجموعةٍ تدخلُ علينا الغرفةَ لتقتاد عمر ، وتنفذَ فيه حكمَ الإعدامِ كما عرفنا ذلك لاحقاً .
بَعْدَ يومين مِنْ هذهِ الحادِثةِ تَمَّتْ مداهمةُ الموقعِ الذي نَحْنُ فيه مِنْ قِبلِ الجيشِ الأمريكي ، وأطُلِقَ سراحُنا ، ولم يُعْتَقلْ الخاطفون كالعادة.
سكتَ صديقي قليلاً ، ورفعْنا أيديَنا بالدعاءِ بالرحمةِ والمغفرةِ لعمر العبيدي ( رَحِمَهُ اللهُ تعالى) وجميعَ شهداءِِ أهْلِ السُّنة المغدورين.
في هذه الأثْناءِ دَخَلتْ علينا زوجةُ صديقي المخطوف لتُقَدِمَ لنا الشاي والبسكويت وقد سَمِعَتْ أطرافَ حديثِنا فقالتْ: واللهِ أنا لا اعرِفُ إلى هذا اليومِ لماذا كلُّ هذا الحقدِ عنْدَ بعضِ الشيعةِ على أهلِ السُّنةِ ... وهنا التفتُ حانقاً إلى صديقي الذي طأطأ رأسَه خجلا...
أحقاً يُوجدُ اليوم مَنْ لا يعِرفُ لماذا استشرى بنا القتلُ والتهجيرُ وانتهاكُ الأعراضِ وسرقةُ الأموالِ والممتلكات ؟... أوْ يعِرفُ ويعتقدُ أنَّهُم ليسُوا سواء .. حقَّاً لا أعرِفُ ، وأتمنى لو أعرِفُ
That is what we believed when Iran was taken over by religious nuts. Muslin truly believe that spreading their religion by force is necessary. They live in the 15th century. You are naive, this will not be good for the west. More muslins will try to immigrate, nut jobs will blow themselves up, and ultimately Isreal will use the nucleur option to save themselves. Great for the world.
Further more, I think Zakaria is one of the" Extremest Islamic Fundamentalists", and using his position in CNN to tell the world that there is "Moderate Muslims" I wonder who is financing him?
One more Obama is one of them and hate USA. he is no friend to Israel, o rEurope. One more year, and good bye Abdullah Hussin Obama. " I hope,Please God give me my wish this time".
"Political Islam" is redundant. Islam is inherently political. There is no separation of church and state with Islam.
You people are all crazed & delusional. There is NO GOD. The down fall of man will be because of religion. The sooner we rid the planet of the make beleive the sooner man can rejoyce and live in peace.
Wow. Take the blinders off.
Neither Friedman nor Zakaria know what they are talking about. Their many degrees notwithstanding.
What is interesting to me is that there a number of Republican candidates who are talking about the United States as a Christian nation, court Christian conservative support and support political agendas that include imposing legal sanctions that are explicitly based upon a Christian religious perspective? And the president is attacked because there those who believe he is a muslim. Do you think maybe religion is having an effect upon American democracy? If Americans are free to choose an option that is presented as Christian do not people in other nations have the right to choose options based upon Islam.
Washington either bullied or bribed the dictators to suppress popular views on foreign policy. This shift is an example of democracy in action not anti-democratic forces!
That kind of sums it up perfectly. Let those people chose. Let them travel the road to a different society. Hopefully – with respect to the diversity in their populations – they will forge a better country without a dictator.
Respect starts at home... something America hasn't perfected.
Im sorry to break this to you but Islamic Politics will never allow for diverse society that have equality. Its on of their five pillars to tax non-muslims. Its scripted in Quran that no non-muslim shall govern. They're only going to make you feel sorry for them, but I promise you: they will have no mercy on you once they have power. They will look at you as an unworthy person who doesnt deserve to be recognized. They're very dangerous, not because their inhumane, but their religion makes them inhumane.
You are correct that non-Muslims are taxed in an Islamic society ( Jiziah ) of which none exists right now in any of the 56 Muslim countries. However Muslims are also taxed in the same society through Zakat and other taxes and in almost all Muslim countries they are currently taxed. In any society all citizens are to pay taxes no matter what you call it. Why should non-Muslims not pay taxes? There are close to 2 billion Muslims and no one can control their politics except God. If your political system is fair and just you do not have to fear any other system. If not, it is Islam today, communism yesterday, socialism tomorrow.
Is this still around? Very well, let me say it again: I do not fear "political Islam" as Farheed calls it. Islam is a political system as well as a religion and there is no separating the two as he would have you believe. It do not fear it, I detest it, and it makes me angry. Don't try bringing it around me. (Do not patronize your local Muslim-owned businesses.)
CNN, fire this Muslim.
Applaud your journalism and unique perspective! You dare to pick on a challenging subject that is most often avoided thus missing the opportunity for a dialogue. Keep up your work.
CNN is totally retarded. To call the Muslim Brotherhood as MODERATE shows how delusional the reporting is. Even their liberal subsidiary Boston Globe gets it right. http://bostonglobe.com/opinion/2011/12/07/after-arab-spring-danger-arises-for-christians/cTCawXSpeiBrKQLuh6eCTK/story.html
The Muslim Brotherhood is as moderate as the Ku Klux Klan. Look at their leaders, look at their ideas, look at their writings, look at their writings, and develop a freakin objective backbone rather than this liberally tainted, pathetically naive, and forced democratic idealism. I am angry because this liberal slant without objective realism is what gave us Hilter. By the way I am an Egyptian Arab who worries that this is the advent of Arab dark ages rather tha Arab spring. I don't support the former regime but I am also not childishly infatuated with current events either.
I'm getting rather disgusted from writing things that just "don't get posted." No notifications that anything broke any rules, or was in some other way unacceptable. I post, and they just "vanish" – into a black hole, I guess. Because when I think the posting didn't go through, and post again, I'm told, "You already said that!" Did I? You could fool me.
It is extremely important to try to reach Obama (and other world leaders) and BEG them to study Islam from the "horse's mouth." And that consulting Muslims will always yield LIES. That's WHY they need to study the texts.
Guide him to the .pdf download at:
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/pdf/Prophet_of_Doom_5_Qurans.pdf
It's where the WHOLE Quran can be had in one download, instead of 114 of them (one for each "book"), which are offered in most other places – and that, of only ONE of the translations. It is done specifically to make it harder for people to get the whole book – they'd get bored and discouraged. I was not, but it took me a very long time, years ago, to get the whole Quran, five times over. At this site, it's all right there. Somebody worked very hard on this, and it's a very fine job.
He's a scholar. But in the law, not other things. Don't tell him what to think. Just mention that Muslim "advisers" may be less than fully "accurate," and that the texts ARE Islam ITSELF, and the only genuine source of knowledge. He needs to KNOW Islam, and studying them is the only way.
Zakaria is, like virtually every other commentator, making the predictable mistake of talking like a Westerner and talking like a man. He's right, in that the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse aren't shoeing their steeds in the front yard yet, and it's absolutely true that no man need fear radical Islam now (or ever, so long as he converts). However, from Egypt to Libya to Tunisia - and certainly in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, Morocco, Mauritania, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Eritrea, Kenya, Somalia (OK, I'll stop now, but I could go on, of course) - women ARE repressed and have everything to fear in terms of its getting worse all the time. Non-Muslims are being drive out all Muslim countries as fast as they can pack up and leave. This is a ridiculous and myopic statement on the part of the normally brilliant Zakaria and evinces a terrible myopia that if no one has a gun to your head at the moment there is nothing to fear. It also runs completely afoul of the DEEPLY analytically based findings of Dr. Jerrold Post that indicate that religious and ethnic states ALWAYS become more conservative and ALWAYS must have an enemy to legitimize continued power. Eventually, the enemy always becomes women, the most vulnerable of all citizens, once the "other" - be it Jew, Christian, Muslim (in the case of the Balkans), etc. - has been driven out or exterminated. This is how the Saudi imams, in power culturally since 1932, can now be focused on why TWO eyes of a woman are too tempting, so women must now cover one (not yet a law, thankfully). Saudi Arabia and Iran and Afghanistan and Iraq - whose women are now veiled when they were NOT prior to Shock and Awe - are more conservative than ever and getting worse. Ridiculous. And destructive. This is the kind of unthinking shooting from the hip that leaves unprotected the very people who are and will continue to suffer in repressive regimes of all kinds while pundits tell us there is really nothing wrong here, because they'll moderate in time. No one who believes he is of a master race or is more blessed of God than the rest ever moderates.
إنَّ المُتَفحِصَ الجيدَ لأخبارِ السياسةِ في هذا البلدِ أوْ ذاك يستطيعُ بسهولةٍ الوقوفَ على خُدَعِ السياسةِ وانْتهازيةِ الساسةِ ؛ فالسياسةُ لا مكانَ فيها للأخلاق – هكذا يزعم منظرو الأبيقورية والميكافيلية – فلا توجدُ صداقاتٌ دائمةٌ ولا عداواتٌ دائمةٌ وإنَّما هناك مصالحُ دائمةٌ ؛ فالمصلحةُ والمنفعةُ هما فقط ما يحدد الأُطرَ العامةَ لتوجيهِ السياسةِ بهذا الاتجاهِ أوْ ذاك .
- المرجعية الشيعية والابيقورية
كُنَّا نَظُّنُ- وبعضُ الظنِّ إثمٌ – أنَّ الساسةَ الشيعةَ لنْ يقَعُوا في فخِّ أبيقور أوْ هكذا ظَنَنَّا بِحُكْمِ أنَّ السياسي الشيعي كالطبيب الشيعي وكالاسكافي الشيعي بل وكالفنان الشيعي والرياضي الشيعي ...الخ إنَّما يتحركون في فلكِ المرجعية – التي ما رَكِبَتْ سَفِينةَ النجاةِ هي وأتباعُها إلاَّ بثباتِها على المبادئ الحُسَينيةِ – ، وكان غالبُ ظنِّنا أنَّهمْ لنْ يُحاولُوا رُكوبَ حِصَانينِ في آنٍ معاً وذلك لأنَّه يتعارضُ مع المبدئية التي فرضَها الإسلامُ على معتنقيه والتي جسدها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم الذي لم يساوم الكفار على دينِه، أوْ كمبدَئيِّةِ الحُسين بن عليٍّ (رضي اللهُ عنْهُما) في مقارعةِ الظُلْمِ الأمَويِّ – بزعمِهِم- إلاَّ أنَّنا وجَدْنا الشيعةَ على غيرِ ذلك.
فمن ذاتيات النفسيةَ الشيعيةَ المُقُوِمَةِ لها – كما يقولُ أهْلُ المنْطِقِ- أنَّها تُحاوِلُ دائماً أنْ تفعلَ الشيءَ ونقيضَه – والنقيضانِ أمرانِ لا يجتمعان كما أنَّهُمَا لا يرتفعان – وبمعنىً آخر تُحاوِلُ النفسيةُ الشيعيةُ أنْ ترْكبَ حِصَانينِ معاً – ولو كانا متباعدين – لتحقيقِ أكْبرِ قدرٍ مُمكِنٍ مِنَ المكاسبِ الماديةِ والمعنويةِ ولا نُريدُ هنا استقراءَ التأريخِ المؤكدِ لهذهِ الحقيقةِ المُخْزيةِ لأنَّ هذا الأمرَ يَطولُ ؛ ولكنَّنا لوْ فَعلْنا ذلك لوجدْنا مصداقَ ذلك من خلالِ أمثلةٍ كثيرةٍ ومتكررةٍ لعلَّ أوضَحَها وأشهرَها قضيةُ تعاونِ الشيعةِ معَ العدّوِ الخارجي وصيرورتُهم حصانَ طروادةَ له وركوبُهم حصانَ العمالةِ في الوقتِ الذي يزعمونَ فيه أنَّهم يركبُون حصانَ الوطنية.
قد يحْلُو لِبعْضِِهم توصيفُ هذه الحالةِ كمرضٍ نفساني ، والمُصابُونَ بهِ يُصَنَفُونَ في خانةِ المرضى النفسانيين . نعم قد يكونُ الأمرُ كذلك ؛ فالتشيع هو دينُ العقدِ النفسيةِ والأمراضِ الفكريةِ والعاهاتِ العقليةِ الدائمةِ إلا أنَّ السؤالَ سيبقى مُلِحَّاً عنْ سببِ ذلك بغضِّ النظرِ عن التوصيفِ العلمي لهذه الظاهرة .
من المعروفِ أنَّ الشيعي مَهمَا كان عنوانُه فهو ابنُ المرجعيةِ الذيْ لا يحيدُ عنْها – بسببِ المصلحةِ المشتركةِ بينَ الفردِ الشيعي والمرجعية ؛ فالفردُ يستفيدُ من المرجعيةِ الغطاءَ الشرعيَ لكلِّ ممارساتِه ما دامَ أنَّه متواصلٌ في تقديمِ قرابينِ الطاعةِ لها وحريصٌ على أداءِ واجباتِه الماليةِ تجاهَ هذا المرجعِ أوْ ذاك – وإذا كان هو ابن المرجعية فكيف يسوغُ للفردِ الشيعي أنْ يفعلَ الشيَء ونقيضَه .
إنَّ السببَ الذيْ يَجْعلُ الشيعي يركب حصانين معا ( حصان الوطنية والعمالة)- وهو في كلِّ ذلك لا يشعرُ بوخزِ الضميرِ أوْ ألمِ الإثمِ – يعودُ إلى أنَّ الرمْزَ وهو هنا المرجعية هي ذاتُها تفعلُ هذا الأمرَ مِراراً وتَكراراً وعلى مرِّ التاريخِ الغابرِ والحاضرِ، وإنَّ أسوءَ دهاليزِ السياسةِ مهما اشتدَّتْ عتمتُها فهي لنْ تكونَ أشدَّ حلكةً وظلمةً من دهاليزِ البرانيات في النجف وقم .
- شيعةُ لبنان وركوبُ حصانين
شيعةُ لبنان – حالُهم حالُ بقيةِ الشيعةِ في كُلِّ مكانٍ – يُحاوِلُون أنْ يَركَبُوا حصانَ الوطنيةِ مِنْ خلالِ إظهارِ العداوةِ المُعْلنةِ لإسرائيل وتسويقِ الشعاراتِ والخطاباتِ ومفرداتِ الأرضِ والتحريرِ والإسلامِ والصهاينةِ والوحدةِ والتكاتفِ ونحوِها .
وهُمْ في الوقتِ نفسِه يَركبُون حصانَ العَمَالةِ لإيران وإسرائيل وتحقيقِ سياسةِ الطرفين في لبنان والمِنطقةِ ، وإذا كانَ هذا الأمرُ ليس غريباً بالنسبة لإيران بِحُكْمِ أنَّ الشيعةَ في دُولِ العالمِ كُلِّها هي أفراخٌ لإيران ؛ فإنَّ الغريب أنْ يكونَ هذا الحزبُ عميلاً إسرائيلياً بامتياز حينَما يحمي الحُدُودَ لإسرائيل ، وكما صرح بذلك صبحي الطفيلي الأمين العام لحزب اللات السابق في مقابلةٍ له لقناة العربية الفضائية والذي ذكرَ أنَّ الحزبَ بات هو الحامي الفعلي للمستوطنات الإسرائيلية.
ويؤكدُ هذا المعنى بداهةُ العقولِ التيْ ترفضُ أنْ تقبلَ إسرائيلُ بوجودِ خطرٍ محدقٍ بها على بعدِ عدةِ كيلومترات وهي تمتلكُ النزعةَ الشريرةَ والقدرةَ الكاملةَ والقويةَ لتغييرِ هذا الواقع .
مع افتراضِ وجودِ تهديدٍ فعليٍ لـ( حزب الله ) ، ومعَ كُلِّ ذلك لا يتغيرُ أيُّّ شيءٍ مِنْ هذا الواقعِ . فهذا الأمرُ يُشيرُ – ولا ريبَ – إلى وجودِ نوعٍ مِنَ التفاهمِ أوْ بالأحرى نوعٍ مِنَ المصالحِ المشتركةِ في بقاءِ هذه الحالِ على ما هيَ عليْهِ . لذا فإنَّ أيَّ انجازٍ يدَّعيه حزبُ اللاتِ هو انجازٌ موهومٌ ومرتبٌ بين الطرفين ، وإذا كانت شعاراتُه الجوفاء تنطلي على من لم يَخْبُرْ أساليبَ الشيعةِ فإنَّها لنْ تنْطَلِيَ على مَنْ يقرأ ما وراء السطور وعايشَ هؤلاءِ اللقطاءِ مدى الأيام والعصور .
- في سبيل التشيع لا في سبيل الله..
إنَّ الفصائلَ الشيعيةَ فيْ لبنان لم تستطعْ يوماً أنْ تكونَ وطنيةً وإنْ ادعتْ ذلك تحتَ مظلةِ محاربةِ العدوِّ الصهيوني ويؤكدُ هذا التحليلَ التاريخُ القريبُ الموثقُ ولا بأسَ باستعراضِ بعضِه:
1- ذكرت وكالة رويتر في تقرير لها من النبطية في 1/7/1982: ( إن القوات الصهيونية التي احتلت البلد سمحت لمنظمة أمل بأن تحتفظ بالمليشيات الخاصة التابعة لها وبحمل جميع ما لديها من أسلحة . وصرح أحد قادة مليشيات منظمة أمل[التي انخرط معظم مقاتليها فيما بعد في 'حزب الله' بعد أن أبدلت إيران هذا بذاك] ويدعى حسن مصطفى أن هذه الأسلحة ستستخدم في الدفاع عنا ضد الفلسطينيين( السنة) ، وبعد أن أعلنت إسرائيل عن عزمها الانسحاب من لبنان ضاعفت منظمة أمل من مطاردتها للقوات الفلسطينية في بيروت الغربية والجنوبية، وفي جنوب لبنان).
2- ذكرت صحيفة (الجروزاليم بوست) الليكودية في عدد لها بتاريخ 23/5/1985 : ( إنه لا ينبغي تجاهل تلاقي مصالح أمل وإسرائيل، التي تقوم على أساس الرغبة المشتركة في الحفاظ على منطقة جنوب لبنان وجعلها منطقة آمنة خالية من أي هجمات ضد إسرائيل.. إن إسرائيل ترددت حتى الآن في تسليم أمل مهمة الحفاظ على الأمن والقانون على الحدود بين فلسطين ولبنان، وإن الوقت قد حان لأن تعهد إسرائيل إلى أمل بهذه المهمة).
3- وفي تقرير نشرته مجلة الأسبوع العربي بتاريخ 24/10/ 1983عن مقابلة أجرتها المجلة مع حيدر الدايخ أحد قادة أمل في الجنوب جاء فيها): وصلنا إلى معسكر حيدر الدايخ.. وكانت عناصره ترتدي الثياب العسكرية وتحمل الأسلحة.. بعضهم لم يتجاوز العشرين وبعضهم أطلق لحيته فأدركنا عندئذ أن هذه العناصر من أفراد الجيش الشيعي، وأن إسرائيل هي التي تدربهم. اقتربنا من حيدر الدايخ في وسط المعسكر ، وقد كُتب على بعض السيارات (قوات كربلاء) وسألنا حيدر عن سبب التسمية فقال: موقعة كربلاء لها مدلولات كثيرة في نظري، هي مأساة الإمام الحسين الذي حارب الظلم، ونحن نحارب الظلم.
وسألنا أحد عساكر الدايخ عن سبب حمله السلاح فأجاب: إن السبب في حملي السلاح يعود إلى المخاطر التي تتعرض لها الطائفة الشيعية وإلى التفتت الذي قد يعترضها في المستقبل.
وسألنا حيدر الدايخ : هل تعتبر أن تسميتكم الجيش الشيعي تعود إلى أن عناصركم من الطائفة الشيعية ؟ فقال: نحن في منطقة شيعية وجميع عناصري ( أولاد الجنوب اللبناني ) هم من الطائفة الشيعية، لكن هذا لا يعني أننا طائفيون، بل ليس لدينا أي بعد أو تفكير طائفي، يا أخي إذا كنا شيعة ماذا نفعل ؟ هل نغير هويتنا ؟ هل نغير طائفتنا كي نرضي بعض الناس ؟ نحن لا يمكن أن نتخلى عن هذه الهوية، ولا يمكن أن ننكر بأننا إسلام.
ثم يمضي الدايخ في حديثه: " كنا نحمل السلاح قبل دخول إسرائيل إلى الجنوب، ومع ذلك فإنها فتحت لنا يدها وأحبت أن تساعدنا فقامت باقتلاع الإرهاب الفلسطيني ( السني ) من الجنوب وغيرها ولن نستطيع أن نرد لها الجميل ولن نطلب منها أي شيء لكي لا نكون عبئًا عليها).
- الخُلاصة
هذا هو تاريخُ شيعةِ لبنان . كيف أنَّهم كانُوا ولا زالُوا أداةً بيدِ المحتلِ الإسرائيلي والإيراني لإضعافِ لبنان وتدميرِهِ وتدميرِ الوجودِ (السُّني) على أراضِيه ، وأمَّا شعاراتُهم الجوفاء عن الوطنيةِ والوحدةِ الإسلاميةِ وتحريرِ القُدسِ والوحدةِ الإسلاميةِ فما هيَ إلا هواءٌ في شبك لخداعِ السُّذجِ مِنْ أهْلِ السُّنة – وما أكثرهم
First World Nations, Please start accepting Christian refugees from Egypt
Unfortunately most non-Muslims haven't got a clue about Islam. I do, and I can tell you that it is the most pernicious politico-religious ideology in existence today, and has been for 1400 years. Unlike 20th century Fascism, which was a secular totalitarian ideology, Islamofascism is a 'sacred' totalitarian ideology, because Muslims believe the sayings of Muhammad, a 7th century bandit and his co-authors are the sayings of Allah, the Arabic name for God. And you cannot trust what Muslims say about Islam, because they're obliged to lie – the principle being that of taqiyya, lying to protect and further the faith...And Zakaria is nothing but an apologist for Islam!
I agree. They just have to look at what Mohammad did. After all, he is their symbol, he is the one that brought this religious believe. Its a damn shame how deceiving these back stabbers are. No matter how much you try to provide for them and befriend them, they will always think that they are better than you and you are just serving them to prove that you are worthy of their "wonderful" ideology. You know, I thought I had many muslim friends, and they all turn out the same. They think that your an infidel and while they will smile in your face and make it look as if everything is good, on the back of their brain washed mind they want to bury you.
mental retard
في مفاجأة مذهلة وغير متوقعة قررت الحكومة الإيرانية بإيران نشر بيوت الزواج المؤقت أو ما يعرف باسم زواج المتعة ليوم واحد، في الشوارع والأحياء، بحجة القضاء على مشكلة الاغتصاب المنتشرة بكثرة بإيران والكبت الجنسي الذي يعاني منه الشباب الإيراني، في دولة تبيح ممارسة الجنس مع أي فتاة، تحت ذرائع دينية وتحت هذه الذريعة، سيكون بإمكان أي إيراني ارتياد هذه البيوت، لممارسة الجنس مع فتاة تقدم هذه الخدمة لأي شاب يقرع بابها، بحجة أن الدين يبيح هذه الممارسات، والتي يطلق عليها صفة الزواج لدى الشيعة.
وتداولت مصادر إعلامية عن قوى الأمن الداخلي قولها إنها ستوسع نطاق ما يعرف في إيران بمراكز أو بيوت العفاف!!!؟؟ بهدف تقليص الاغتصابات وحل معضلة العلاقات الجنسية غير المشروعة وأكد تقرير رسمي للحكومة أنها مقتنعة بضرورة إشاعة الزواج المؤقت أو ما يعرف بزواج المتعة، لحل هذه الأزمة، وأنها مستعدة لإيجاد مراكز خاصة في هذا المجال.
فيما سمحت الحكومة للعديد من المكاتب ومواقع الإنترنت بنشاط يدخل في مجال تعارف النساء والرجال والبحث عن زوج أو زوجة، والزواج المؤقت حتى أن إعلاناً نشر في موقع رسمي يعلن عن تقديم مراكز دينية في مدن قم ومشهد وطهران لتأمين البنات للرجال الراغبين في الزواج المؤقت ويبلغ سعر الليلة الواحدة ما بين 50 إلى 100 دولار ويكون نصف الربح للمراكز الدينية الشيعية.
ونقلت صحيفة القبس ، عن الحكومة قولها إنها تهدف إلى تقليص حالات الكبت الجنسي لدى الشباب والإقلال من حالات الاغتصاب، وإن كل من يريد أن يقوم بالعمل الجنسي يستطيع الذهاب إلى بيوت العفاف ومشيرة إلى أن مثل هذه البيوت أو المراكز كانت موجودة في عهد الشاه السابق، لكن بعد الثورة تمت إزالتها لأنها مراكز فساد وانحطاط، إلا أن هاشمي رفسنجاني كان أول من طرح فكرة إيجاد بيوت العفاف أو مراكز الزواج المؤقت وذلك عام 1991 ولكن في الواقع تحولت هذه البيوت وفقاً لاعتراف أركان النظام إلى مراكز لفساد المسؤولين، إذ استولوا عليها وصاروا يلعبون بخلق الله كيفما يشاءون.
ولم يسمح النظام علنا باستمرار بيوت العفاف في عهد حكومة خاتمي ولا في الأعوام السابقة، حيث ظل هذا النشاط سرياً وعلى مستوى الشوارع أو البيوت الخاصة غير المرخص لها.
وأضافت الصحيفة أن هذه البيوت باتت مرتعاً لنزوات وشهوات المسؤولين وبعض رجال الدين الشيعة الذين لا يكتفون، عادة، حتى بأربع نساء حسب الشرع الإسلامي.
والغريب أن ويدعو النائب علي مطهري إلى تطبيق هذا المشروع بشكل واسع النطاق حتى في المدارس الثانوية والجامعات على غرار الحرية الجنسية المتاحة في المجتمعات الغربيةويتساءل البعض ترى هل يرضى رفسنجاني أو أي مرجع دين أو مسؤول كبير يدافع عن هذا المشروع أن يرسل إحدى بناتهم إلى بيوت العفاف لممارسة المتعة معها من قبل عشرات الشباب يومياً، أم أن هؤلاء ينصحون الناس فقط بإرسال بناتهم إلى بيوت العفاف لكي يمارسوا هم الجنس معهن لإرضاء رغباتهم؟.
OK all. Here it goes. The Muslim man is talking to his kid, trying to train the kid to be a good fellow. “Don’t lie my kid, don’t do bad things, do not be deceptive, don’t… don’t… and don’t…”. A few minutes later the phone rings and his wife, the Muslim woman, picks up the phone. It is a relative on the other end. The man looks curiously at his wife, and listens carefully. Oh it is this relative who is asking the man for a favor. The man quickly gets close to his wife, still on the phone going through normal deceptive greetings and so on. The man using hand and face, pointing and mime, conveys the message to the wife that she tells the relative on the other end that “The Muslim Man Is Not Home”. So the wife’s conversation ends with: “Oh Mr. … is not home, can I take a message?” The kid is seeing, listening and learning from all these.
There are tens of these type of scenarios in the kids everyday life. What do you all think that the kid is learning? The kid is learning to be deceitful, and tell lies whenever you think is beneficial to you. A Muslim life, teaching, and belief.
The fact is, on his early days, Muhammed as self proclaimed prophet, was trying to gather more believers in Mecca. The people of Mecca did not like the idea, did not like him. They planned to kill Muhammed one night when he was in bed sleeping. Somehow Muhammed found out about the plot (and claimed God told him). So he let his son-in-law, Ali to sleep in his place, and he flees the scene leaving for Medina (a clear cowardly deception). So he goes and hides in a cave, with a lot of made up stories on this, and ends up getting to Medina. In Medina, he gathers more of liars, bandits, deceptive people (so called new believers) around him. He goes back to Mecca, and in a fight kills all those who did not want a new fake, man-made God/religion.
When the prophet, who the Muslims call him as “Honest Muhammed”, is so coward and deceitful, what do you expect from the Muslim world.
Taqiah, which is used more by the Shiates, is a rule of life for a Muslim. Means that you can be deceiving, dishonest, liar, false, corrupt, and fraudulent, when you feel like it.
Now go figure out a way to live in harmony with a Muslim. Good luck.
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@ Amber... huh? "bla bla" what? what kind of reply is that?
Arab Spring for all its horrors and sacrifices should be be welcome with respect and joyful great promises and not that of apprehension. People did not go through hell and offered their lives just to wage another war afterwards. They must have envisioned a better lives for themselves and bright future for their children that were denied them. Let us rejoice and pray for them that they would live the life they dream about.
Alas the dream may not come overnight as is true in many struggling countries but a Spring is nevertheless a start.
To all Arab Spring countries, my thoughts and prayers are with you.
فيلق القدس الايراني سينفذ عمليات نوعية لتاجيج الحرب الطائفية في مدن ( سامراء ، الضلوعية ، بلد ، الدجيل ، المشاهده )
شبكة المنصور
منظمة الرصد والمعلومات الوطنية
وردتنا معلومات من مصادر مطلعة وموثوقة مفادها مايلي :
خليه تابعه لفيلق القدس الايراني تتواجد حاليا في مدينة البصره عدد عناصرها من ( 50 – 60 ) عنصر يشرف عليها من ناحية الدعم اللوجستي احد قيادات فيلق بدر المدعو ( ابو حسن الركابي ) من اهالي مدينة ( الزبير ) وهو من اهم مساعدي ( هادي العامري ) في البصرة ومن عناصر فيلق القدس المعتمدين في الداخل العراقي ستنفذ هذه الخليه عمليات مرسومه لها من قبل فيلق القدس في المدن التاليه :
( سامراء / ضلوعية / بلد / الدجيل / المشاهدة ) والغاية من عملياتهم هي أشعال ( الحرب الطائفية ) انطلاقا من هذه المناطق المذكوره . والعمليات هي :
1 / تنفيذ عملية ارهابية ( تفجير ) تستهدف اما مرقد ( الامامين العسكريين ع ) او مرقد ( السيد محمد ع ) في منطقة بلد .
2 / تنفيذ عمليات اغتيال لشيوخ عشائر من ( السنة والشيعة ) تظهر العمليات على اساس طائفي .
3 / ضرب جوامع سنية وشيعية في كل من ( بلد و ضلوعية و المشاهدة ) وتكون الضربات بالتزامن وبأوقات متقاربة .
عناصر الخلية التي ستنفذ العمليات مرتبطة بصوره رسميه بفيلق القدس الايراني ومن المقلدين لولاية الفقيه .
العناوين التي يتردد عليها بعض عناصر الخلية من ( العراقيين و الايرانيين ) وذلك من خلال المتابعة المستمرة لهم هي :
1 / البصرة / شارع الجمهورية / بداية فرع فندق الامراء / دار رقم 128 على 45
2 / البصرة / الطويسة / قرب مكتب الصدر بحوالي 45 متر / دار رقم 67
3 / البصرة / الطويسة / قرب مدرسة البنات / دار رقم 91 على 3
4 / البصرة / 5 ميل / قرب محطة القطار / دار رقم 84 على 2 على
لا يتعلم العملاء من دروس التاريخ ، فهم مدفوعون باحقاد متجذرة في نفوسهم على كل ما هو عراقي وعربي ، فمع اقتراب موعد الانسحاب الامريكي المفترض من العراق تسارعت خطوات المهزومين باتجاه التخلص من قادة العراق في الاسر في اقرب وقت ، سواء باساءة معاملتهم اكثر مما سبق بمنع الدواء والعلاج عنهم لاجل قتلهم ، او التهديد بتنفيذ الاعدام بهم كما حصل مع شيخ الاسرى المناضل طارق عزيز . ان المزيج الواضح من الحقد والرعب من تحرير العراق هو الذي يدفع العملاء في بغداد للتهديد باعدام قادة العراق الاحرار والشرعيين ، ولكن هؤلاء لا يفهمون التاريخ ولذلك لا يأخذون العبر منه ، فالتاريخ يقول بان الاعدامات التي تنفذ للتخلص من الاحرار تزيد لهيب الثورة اشتعالا بدل اخمادها ، وامامنا مشهد اغتيال سيد شهداء العصر القائد صدام حسين حيث تحول الاغتيال الى مناسبة لزيادة عزلة الاحتلال والعملاء وتوسع شعبية القائد الشهيد والبعث .
واذا كان العملاء يعتقدون بانهم سيفلتون من عقاب الشعب فهم واهمون ، لان جرائمهم اكبر من ان تمر بلا عقاب ، ومنها اغتيال مئات القادة وتصفية الاف الكوادر المقاومة للاحتلال ، واعتقال عشرات الالاف من معارضي الاحتلال ، بالاضافة لتدمير العراق وتبديد وسرقة ثرواته علنا بحيث اصبح العراق المحتل في مقدمة الدول الفاسدة والفاشلة . ومهما اعتقد العملاء بان الاغتيالات سوف تضعف الثورة المسلحة ضد الاحتلال فان النتائج ستظهر لتؤكد بان الدم كلما سفك زاد لهيب الثورة وعجل موعد الحسم .
ان طارق عزيز يمثل احد اهم الوجوه المشرقة والمشرفة للعراق الحر والمستقل والسيد وصانع انجازات التقدم العلمي والتكنولوجي ، وهو كان يعد من افضل الديبلوماسيين في العالم ووصل امر الاعتراف بقدراته حد ان جورج بوش الاب حينما كان رئيسا ، وبعد فشل المفاوضات في عام 1991 بين وفد العراق برسائة طارق عزيز والوفد الامريكي برئاسة جيمس بيكر وزير خارجية امريكا وقتها ، قال امام بيكر وغيره بانه يتمنى لو كان لديه وزير خارجية بمواصفات طارق عزيز . هؤلاء هم رجالات العراق العظام سواء الاسرى منهم او من استشهد ومن مازال يقاوم الاحتلال بلا كلل .
ان اسرانا يخطون بتضحياتهم تاريخا مشرف للعراق ةوالامة العربية ، بصمودهم ورفضهم الانحناء لغطرسة الاحتلال ووحشية عملاءه ، وهم يعرفون منذ البداية بان درب تحرير الوطن وتحقيق اهداف الشعب ليس نزهة وانما هي تضحيات كبرى لا تنتهي الا بتحقيق اهداف الشعب ، ولذلك كانت وقفة رفاقنا وهم في الاسر مشرفة وتجلى ذلك في تمسكهم بمصلحة الشعب ورفضهم الرضوخ لتهديدات بالموت رغم ممارسة ابشع انواع التعذيب معهم وحرمانهم من ابسط حقوق الانسان الاسير ومنها العلاج وتوفير الدواء .
البعث الذي كان ومازال يناضل من اجل تحرر الامة وتحقيق المجتمع الخالي من الفقر والامية والمرض ...الخ وهذه الاهداف لا تتحقق الا بتضحيات مناضليه الذين يعرفون ان الاعدامات والاغتيالات مصير متوقع ومحسوب ، مثلما يعرفون ان الموت دفاعا عن الوطن هو خير خاتمة للحياة ، ففي النهاية جميعنا سنموت في يوم ما ولذلك فان اختيار الموت المشرف هو احد سمات صناع التاريخ والحضارات والتغييرات العظمى في مسار الانسانية . في ضوء ما تقدم فان التهديد بتنفيذ الاعدامات او تنفيذها فعلا لن يوقف مسيرة تحرير العراق واعادة العراق الى حالة الدعالة والاستقلال والامن وامان لمواطنيه كلهم بل على العكس سيزيد اصرار الثوار على التعجيل بالنصر وطرد الاحتلال وعملاءه .
وهنا لابد من تكرار التنبيه الى ان ما يسمى منظمات حقوق الانسان التي كانت تنظم الحملات الضخمة ضد العراق تحت واجهات خرق حقوق الانسان وكانت حملاتها احد اهم ممهدات غزو العراق تلتزم الصمت المطبق الان تجاه معاناة اسرانا وتعرضهم لاشد انواع خرق حقوق الانسان وعلنا ، ومع ذلك لا تفعل هذه المنظمات شيئا وكأن الامر لا يعنيها ! واذا كانت الدعوة لحماية حقوق الانسان جادة فان من الحتمي معاملة كل البشر بصورة متساوية لا ان تجري عمليات انتقاء وتزوير وتضخيم من اجل الدفاع عمن تريد امريكا حمايتهم لكن مناهضي الاحتلال الامريكي لا ينالون اي قدر من كشف ما يقع عليهم من مظالم .
وبهذه المناسبة فاننا نكرر دعوتنا للكتاب والصحفيين الاحرار في العراق وفي الوطن العربي لرفع اصواتهم دفاعا عن اسرانا وكشفا لما يتعرضون له من مظالم فظيعة ، وذلك احد اهم واجباتهم الوطنية والاعلامية والاخلاقية ، والصمت بازاء ما يحصل لاسرانا ليس سوى خيانة للامانة ونكوص عن مسار النضال الوطني والتحرري ، والتاريخ الان يسجل كل شيء .
المجد لاسرانا الشهداء الاحياء وفي مقدمتهم شيخ الاسرى القائد طارق عزيز .
تحية لرفاقنا الصامدين في سجون الاحتلال والعملاء .
الحمد لله رب العالمين و الصلاة و السلام على سيد المرسلين وبعد.
فقد ورد إلى الرابطة السؤال التالي :لقد بات من المؤكد أن هناك آلافاً من عناصر جيش المهدي، أو من عناصر الصدر، أو من قوات بدر أو من قوات الحرس الثوري الإيراني، أو من عناصر حزب الله أو عناصر شيعية ربما يؤتى بها من بلاد أبعد من ذلك ، يتوافدون على سوريا و يعطيهم النظام وثائق سورية ، و يشارك هؤلاء بعمليات القمع و القتل الموجهة ضد الشعب السوري الثائر، ويقومون بدور الشبيحة المستوردين. ، فما هو الموقف من هؤلاء ؟ و ما هي الرسالة التي يمكن أن يوجهها العلماء تجاه هذا الحدث الشنيع ؟ وللإجابة على ذلك فإن رابطة العلماء السوريين تؤكد على المعاني التالية :
1- التأكيد على أننا لا نرى ضيراً من ضرورة التعايش بين أبناء الطوائف مع أهل السنة سواء في سوريا أو العراق أو لبنان أو غيرها من البلاد العربية والإسلامية .
2- أننا نحذر من مخططات الدفع باتجاه حرب طائفية لا تُبقي ولا تذر، ولن تكون من مصلحة هؤلاء الطائفيين .
3- نحن نرى في هذا التصرف حشدا أو تحشيدا طائفياً، كما نرى فيه توظيفا للبعد الطائفي لخدمة أغراض و أطماع مشروع التمدد والنفوذ الفارسي في المنطقة، بل إن ذلك يخدم أجندة أعداء الأمة في تمزيقها وسلب هويتها والقضاء على دورها الحضاري.
4- والحكم الشرعي في هؤلاء العناصر أنهم شر من المرتزقة الذين جندهم النظام من أبناء جلدته. لأن هؤلاء جاؤوا تنفيذا لمخططات استعمارية فارسية باطنية، وجاؤوا حاقدين يحملون عقيدة تستبيح دماء شعبنا . وبالتالي فإننا لا نتردد في اعتبا ر هؤلاء مجرمين، ما داموا على الأراضي السورية، ويقفون بجانب هذا النظام.
5- ومن حق الشعب السوري بل من واجبه الوقوف في وجه هؤلاء، والتصدي لهم ولجرائمهم، بل وملاحقتهم أينما كانوا ، بل إننا نخشى على هؤلاء الشبيحة الجدد من غضبة شعبنا السوري البطل الذي ما عاد يحتمل الذل والضيم. وسيتحمل النتائج حينها مَن أرسل هؤلاء الغوغاء من الطائفيين الحاقدين وخاصة ذوي العمائم السوداء الذين كنا نتمنى أن يكونوا قد تخلَّوا عن أحقادهم التاريخية السوداء
6- نحذر كل الجهات التي ترسل هؤلاء أن مؤامراتهم و مخططاتهم لا تخفى ، وأن استمرار هذا النهج سيعني أن تهب الأمة كلها للوقوف في وجه ذلك. و لن يكون هذا لصالح مستقبل علاقة الدول التي ترسل هؤلاء مع سوريا المستقبل، ولا مع الشعب السوري . بل ولا مع الأمة الإسلامية في العالم الإسلامي قاطبة.
7- وأخيراً نُهيب بعلماء الأمة الإسلامية أن يقوموا بالتصدي لفضح هؤلاء المجرمين ولفضح مخططات أسيادهم ، كما نهيب بهم أن يؤيدوا هذا البيان .ونهيب بجامعة الدول العربية ومنظمة التعاون الإسلامي أن يتحملوا مسؤولياتهم تجاه هذا العدوان الجديد على شعبنا السوري الحر . وحسبنا الله ونعم الوكيل [وَاللهُ غَالِبٌ عَلَى أَمْرِهِ وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَ النَّاسِ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ] {يوسف:21}
التاريخ الأمانة العامة
The thing is, Zakaria...
would you be honest enough to tell us if / when we SHOULD fear political islam?
No, of course not, because you would have already done so, and still be continuing to do so, if you were an honest man, but you are not.
First you be honest and tell us why you are so afraid of political Islam? Has the political Islam done something wrong to you or you have done something wrong and now you are afraid of repercussions? And more importantly why is this discussion turning into an Islam-bashing debate? What are you really afraid of? That people of Arab countries will have a voice now? Until now they were ruled by tyrant dictators for decades. Only now are they able to get democracy. Until now their rulers were puppets of USA empire. Now they have their own elected leaders. The whole world is happy for them.
Do you know why you need to be ruled by dictators, and always being told what to do? Because your religion provides for that kind of leadership. The dictators fear that if they let you explore outside your religion, than you must convert or turn it into something else its not. Why do you think its so important for the name ISLAM to be in almost every sing major party running in the middle east? Because you guys cant relate to anything else but ISLAM. It really doesnt make sense that you scream and shout for democracy and try to have a voice, but than again you label your political parties under ISLAM and your laws are based on ISLAM. This is why you guys will never get anywhere because you are all stuck in this box of ISLAM. I know people who wont shake other women's hand because ISLAM prohibits that. Or someone who want eat a gummy bear because they believe that the jelly is made out of pork.
If there isnt a dictatorship to tie you guys down, shiit and sunnies will kill each other. You guys dont know what to do with your selfs. Instead of thinknig about the future of your children and try to modernize and work on technology and advance in life, you would rather talk about Islam and how can we convert more people into Islam. You make no sense, and your religion makes no sense. So long as their is ISLAM, you will never be free and your region will never be free
I agreed with almost everything in the article, but disagree with the implicit assumption that moderate islamic parties will be the most likely to be long lasting, with more extreme versions losing their popularity. This is too sanguine an outlook (perhaps a natural wishful thinking by looking at the situation through Western eyes). The fact that moderate Islamic parties seem to have emerged from the Arab Spring sets the stage for a more hard line future: if the moderate Islamic parties do not now deliver to the peoples' satisfaction, this allows them to be targeted and exploited by hard line elements. Given the enormous challenges the new moderate parties now face I think the chance of them being able to satisfy their restive populations is low and the probability of emergence of hard line governments in the medium to long term future is high.
I agree with everything that Zakaria said in this article but I would like to know why Israeli Prime Minister is so afraid of democracy in Arab world. If he has done nothing wrong, then he should be OK with it. Isn't Israel a democratic state too? I mean these are all Arab countries and only they have the right to elect their governments because this is what democracy is about. People have the right to elect their own rulers, you like them or not. These are double standards. The reason Netanyahu is afraid is that he knows the whole world knows country is carrying out human rights abuses of Palestinians. Until now Israel was feeling safe. The Arabs were being ruled by dictator regimes who were themselves puppets of USA (and Israel indirectly).
Israel is just acting like a pigeon who closes its eyes when it feels threatened. Mr. Netanyahu You are in denial. The whole world is getting aware of your human rights abuses against people of Palestine. The Arabs have the right to pick any rulers they want. This is their land after all. You are afraid the truth will come out.
Spring of spiders?
Spring: The fields are covered by thousands of blooming flowers blooming.
Life is celebrating everywhere.
However- if the fields are covered by thorns, flowers are not blooming and the spiders are flourishing.
The Arabs unrest results in Islamist parties taking power.
Islamists parties agenda don’t include the stand against the Islamist ideology standing for :*1-one religion ISLAM*2-one government KALIFAT*3-one law-SHARIA*4:imposed worldwide by an endless WAR.
The western politicians' and media prisoners in their definition of revolution and democraticy refuse to listen what is being said in Arabic and not English.
Is the free world the spider (Islamists) pray ?
Will the free world turn to be the spider(Islamist) prey?
Time will tell.
Remember: The Nazi get power by democratic elections.
Lesson: Understand a ideology before supporting their power takeover.
The price played later to stand against the implementation of such ideologies is beyond imagination.
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USA helped the Taliban to defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan without taking seriously their Islamic Jihad ideology.
The world harvests the terror seeds on daily basis.
Pls remember to enquire Islamist stand for the followings published and said often in Arabic however rarely in English.
"1:""**** JIHAD AGAINST NON-MUSLIMS IS OBLIGATORY***
Muslim can come closer to Allah by waging jihad against all non-Muslims,Christians,Jews, atheists,or polytheists in every possible manner.
Total rejection of non-Muslims and of the Muslims who have strayed from the path of Islam""""
Muslim brotherhood ideology pillar:
By Dr Ahmad ‘Abd Al-Khaleq in about Al-Walaa Wa'l-Bara.
Refer to Muslim Brotherhood Website- Oct 17 2008
2:Muslim Brotherhood rally in Cairo's most prominent mosque 2011 Nov 25 attendants vowing time and again, a Koran quote vowing that
***** "one day we shall kill all the Jews"*****
Ref:http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4153207,00.html
3:Muslim brotherhood leader speech in Cairo before 1 million people
****"Hitler didn’t finish the job- The Muslims will finish the Job""****
( Refer to BBS program "Third eye Egypt")
Ariely;
Get some education. Koran never demands from its followers to kill the jews. BTW it is not the Jews, Christians or Muslims who are threat to the world. Capitalism is the real threat and people like you are part of it. You want to create Islamophbia so Western governments can use our Tax money to make WMD's and drop them over Muslim countries so people like you can control their oil wealth. Stop fooling around. Nobody cares what you are thinking any more.
~~~ISLAM THE MOST BEAUTIFUL RELIGION IN THE WORLD~~~
to my dear brothers and sisters in islam, please do not bother with these ignorant people... it's sad really, they don't know anything about islam, or what it stands for.
to my dear sisters, i know it's insulting when they assume that you oppressed weak minded lambs, but we KNOW you are fiercer than lions and we have SEEN you on the front lines of most battles, carrying the islamic banner high up in the skies and in your homes. it's sad that they do not know that you are focal point of islam, teaching this beautiful religion to you kids and grand kids. forgive them, they are foolish enough to think islam survived without you! allah akbar!! god bless you!
to all bloodthirsty animals that assume we follow a religion of hate,know that islam will stay till the end of days and you can't do anything about it. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, the highest number of converts are from the US and the UK. the majority are WOMEN. open your eyes and see the truth!! most of you never heard of islam before 9/11, in the last 10 years the US killed more than 1.5 million people during afghanistan and iraq wars. talk about another holocaust!
this civilized culture (west) you boast about graduated the most ruthless murders in history, HITLER, STALIN, churchill, NIXON, BUSH,....
in the end all i can say is bash islam as much as you want but know that islam will always prevail.
Adnan
Freed Zakaria has written about the political Islamists. He tries to appease the west not to fear of the political Islam and the Arab awaking. He also has urged Israel to improve its ties with the new revolutionary government in the middle east. Such revolutionary movements have changed the political map in the middle east. The new governments are going to adopt a new policy and strategy whether on the local or the international levels.
What about Political Judaism ?
This controls Washington . This one creates wars and destruction around the world.
Humanity is not safe from Political Judaism.
Anyone ever read the "The Protocols of Elders of Zion". That should be an eye opener.
I think Zakaria is wrong. Muslims profess one thing and do another. You can never trust Muslim political organisation. Do fool yourself Zakaria or are you trying to fool us.
Islam doesn't punish people for not covering their heads. Saudi Arabia and Iran does but its not because Islam tells them to. They do it because they claim they follow Islam, which they don't, what they do is instead of follow the true teachings of the religion they choose alien interpretations that are so alien to the religion but extreme in appearance and they ignore the true core rulings of Islam. In other words they choose form over substance to convince the naive they follow Islam since they came about to power on a religion platform.
You are telling me that you know Islam better than Saudi Arabia, wher Islam started. You just don't know that you are not an Arab. If you are from any other place than Saudi Arabia, the Arab/Islam invasion 1400 years ago made your nation Arab lover.
Prophet Muhammad said 'No Arab is better than non Arab and no non Arab is better than Arab. No white is better than black and no black is better than white. The best among Muslims in God' eye is one who is most righteous.'. Islam started from Saudi Arab but it soon spread to Asia and Africa. Today there are more non Arab Muslims than Arab Muslims. Imam Bukhary who compiled Islam's most important book after Quran 'Sahih Bukhary' was from Bukhara (Central Asia) Today Islam is spreading around the world including USA and Europe and other Western Nations. In USA there are many Whites and Black learned Scholars of Islam e.g. Imam Siraj Wahhaj, Zaid Shakir and Hamzah Yousuf. There are many learning centres of Islam e.g. AlMaghrib (The West), Zaytunia and Al-Bayyanah. . Zakit Naik who is perhaps the most popular Scholar is from India.
Political Islam is not interested in what happens outside its boarders. If other nations don't attack it, a Muslim nation is supposed to stay good to its neighbors.
wow how did i know that this guy would tell us that islam is ok this muslim bas tard wants islamic law here everything he says about the u.s is bad and everytime anything is mentioned about iran or our enemies this bastar smiles cut his tounge out.
i say put the muslims on a boat and send them to an island let them kill each other there.
@Zakaria that is pretty harsh but there is some truth and logic to it.
@SOMEONE who does know, If they were doing something "amongst each other" than there would not be much of a problem at all. In fact if muslims were ONLY blowing up other muslims there would not have been a 9/11.
you all make me sick, and laugh at the same time, why do you even care about what islamic cultures do amongst each other, it is none of our concern.
I fear all religions.
IRAN MUST END
you wrong, we must attack now before it is too late i know them i born among them .Those evil will never sleep until they destroy sunnis, christeans and jews, they will export thier sick revolution and use the bomb to do it.
they have an evil cult for a faith called shiia, they lie and called it taqeya, they are barberain and dont respect life.
The world let Hitler do what he done and it was too late, now we must learn and cut the snake head and crush the snake egs before it posion our planet and kill our people. ahmedi nejad is sick thug and a lier the evil dwil inside of him.USA,UK, FRANCE,GERMANY,NATO MUST ACT NOW , ATTACK NOW AND LET THE INSIDE REVOULTION BEGIN LIKE IN THE MIDDLEAST.
الأثنين 12 ديسمبر 2011
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الكاتب: عبد الله الدليمي (*) :: خاص بالقادسية
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فالتشيع دين معادٍ للإسلام ويعمل على تقويضه من الداخل، سلاحه في ذلك النفاق الذي ينطلي على الكثير من أهل السنة "الطيبين". ومخطئ من يظن أن ما بيننا وبينهم مجرد اختلافات ثانوية في الفروع دون الأصول. فأركان الإسلام عندهم غيرها عندنا: صلاتهم غير صلاتنا، وصومهم ليس كصومنا (من حيث التوقيت وبعض التفاصيل الأخرى)، وزكاتهم لا تشبه زكاتنا، وهكذا بالنسبة للحج. أما بالنسبة للقرآن الذي هو دستور المسلمين فهو محرف بزعمهم. بل حتى أعيادنا لا يشتركون معنا فيها. وقل الشيء عينه عن المناسبات التاريخية الإسلامية، فما يسرنا منها يسوؤهم وما يسوؤنا يسرهم. ورموز الإسلام الذين نجلهم يلعنهم الشيعة ويسبونهم، والمصائب التي ألمت بالأمة الإسلامية كمقتل سيدينا عمر وعثمان – رضي الله عنهما- يتخذون من تواريخها أعيادا يجددون فيها أفراحهم – وهذا ما لم يفعله اليهود ولا النصارى.
ويكفي الشيعة بعدا عن الإسلام ابتداعهم ركنا جديدا لم ينزل به الله من سلطان، وهو "الإمامة" التي تلزم – بزعمهم- الاعتقاد بولاية علي (رضي الله عنه) وأحقيته في الخلافة وتكفير من يقدم الخلفاء الثلاثة (رضي الله عنهم) عليه. وحسب هذا الركن المخترع، فإن جميع أهل السنة كفار- ما يفسر إيغالهم في دمائنا وأعراضنا ومقدراتنا في العراق وغيره.
وهنا أهيب بكل سني يرجو من الشيعة خيرا أو يعول على شراكتهم في الوطن أن يعيد النظر في ظنه بهم، وأن يسترشد بمصادرنا ومصادرهم والتاريخ – قديمه وحديثه- ليدرك حقيقة الدين الشيعي.
ولمن لا يزال يتغنى بـالشعار الزائف: "إخوان سنة وشيعة... هذا الوطن منبيعه"، أقول: أزل الغطاء عن قلبك وعينيك لتدرك بأن الحقيقة هي: "دينان سنة وشيعة... صار الوطن للشيعة".
قل: (حكومة أحزاب شيعية)... ولا تقل: (حكومة وحدة وطنية)
يصر الشيعة على إضفاء صفة "الوطنية" على حكومة بغداد الإقصائية الاجتثاثية، ويزعمون بأنها تمثل كافة أطياف الشعب العراقي. وهذا محض افتراء لا يصمد أمام حقيقة كون حكومتهم حكومة إيرانية بامتياز. أما الساسة السنة المشتركون في الحكومة فلا يشكلون سوى "ديكور" لإيهام الرأي العام في العراق وخارجه بأن الحكومة تمثل العراقيين على اختلاف مسمياتهم وانتماءاتهم. فأعضاء الحكومة من السنة هم إما مجردون من الصلاحيات أو مضمونو الولاء للمالكي والأحزاب الموالية له.
وهنا أود أن أهمس في أذن السياسيين السنة المشاركين في الحكومة: إما أن تفضي مشاركتكم في الحكومة إلى درء مفاسد أو جلب منافع لأهل السنة، وتكون لكم صلاحياتكم واستحقاقاتكم الحقيقية كاملة دون نقصان... أو الانحياز إلى مقاومة سنية بشتى الوسائل حتى نأخذ حقوقنا بأيدينا، فالحقوق تنتزع ولا تمنح. ومن ليس لديه قوة لا مكان له في عالم السياسة.
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حب الوطن والحرص عليه أمر فطري، لكن يجب ألا يقدم على الدين الذي يفترض أن يكون على رأس أولويات المسلم الحقيقي. ولا تعارض – في الوضع الطبيعي – بين العمل للوطن والعمل للدين.
أما في حالة العراق اليوم، فالوضع غير طبيعي، حيث وضع الشيعة أهل السنة أمام مفترق طرق ليختاروا بين أمرين لا ثالث لهما: توحيد الله أو توحيد التراب. وانقسم أهل السنة بين هذين المفترقين، فالعلمانيون والقوميون والبعثيون آثروا وحدة التراب على وحدانية الله، فلم يجنوا أيا منهما. أما المسلمون الواعون والمدركون أن الدين هو المقدم على كل ما سواه (وفي مقدمتهم جنود القادسية العاملين في هذا الموقع المبارك)، فقد آثروا عقيدتهم على التراب الذي يجمعهم بأعداء الله وأعدائهم، فأخذوا على عاتقهم العمل من أجل الحفاظ على الدين والأرواح والكرامة لأهل السنة الذين أصبحوا هدفا للحقد الرافضي الدفين.
وقد نتفهم تقديم العلمانيين للوطن على الدين لأنهم أصلا لا يأبهون بالدين وتعاليمه ولا يقدمون أنفسهم على أنهم مسلمون، لكن أنّى لنا أن نفهم تقديم نخبة من "علماء المسلمين" لحدود سايكس- بيكو على العقيدة التي هي أغلى ما لدينا والتي نتعرض من أجلها لحملة شرسة من قبل الحكومة الشيعية لسلخنا منها؟
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والكلام هنا موجه لمن يدعون إلى "التقريب" بين السنة والشيعة – استنادا إلى اعتبار الشيعة – خطأ – مذهبا من المذاهب الإسلامية كالمذهب الحنفي والشافعي والحنبلي والمالكي. وهذا استناد ينطوي على أحد أمرين: إما جهل بكلا الدينين السني والشيعي، وإما نية خبيثة تريد إلباس الحق بالباطل.
إن الداعين إلى هذا "التقريب" يغفلون عن حقيقة أن الشيعي لا يكون شيعيا ما لم يؤمن بإمامة علي – رضي الله عنه – دون غيره... تلك الخرافة التي اخترعتها أهواؤهم وكفرونا على أساسها. ولا أدري كيف يكفروننا ويستحلون دماءنا وأموالنا ويعيثون في أرضنا فسادا، ولا يزال منا من يحسن الظن بهم ويرتجي معهم تقاربا هو أقرب إلى التقارب بين الدر والبعر!
ومن هنا أدعو علماءنا من أهل الفتوى – مجامع فقهية وأفرادا- إلى تحمل مسؤوليتهم في بيان حكم الشيعة بفتوى صريحة لا مواربة فيها كما فعل أسلافنا مالك وأحمد وابن تيمية والقاضي عياض والأسفراييني وغيرهم. فلا يكفي القول بكفر علمائهم والتوقف في عوامهم حتى تقام عليهم الحجة. وإن كان علماؤهم كفارا فكيف يسمح لهم بدخول بيت الله الحرام الذي لا يحل لكافر دخوله؟ وإن كان لا بد من إقامة الحجة على عوامهم قبل الحكم عليهم، فأين جهود إقامة الحجة عليهم؟ وهل يصح ترك الأمر معلقا هكذا ليكون الفرق بين المسلم والكافر عائما كل هذه الفترة؟
إن التفريق بين علماء الشيعة وعوامهم في الحكم غير مجدٍ وليس منطقيا، فلولا عوام الشيعة ما ساد معمموهم وسياسيوهم الذين يتبادلون أدوار الإجرام بحقنا بشكل متناغم. لذلك يجب العمل على إقامة الحجة عليهم لوضع النقاط على الحروف بما هو متاح من وسائل كالقنوات الفضائية ومواقع الإنترنت وسائر وسائل الإعلام، ولا بأس أن يستغرق ذلك سنة كاملة مثلا ليختار بعدها هؤلاء العوام إما اتباع معمميهم الذين ثبت لدينا كفرهم، وإما اتباع الدين الحق لنميز المسلم من الكافر ونضع حدا لهذا التمييع.
فعوام الشيعة يقلدون معمميهم ويسوقون لهم، ويأتمرون بأمرهم فيحرمون ما أحل الله ويحلون ما حرم الله من خلال:
- الإفطار في رمضان يوم يصوم المسلمون، والصوم يوم يفطرون.
- تأخير العيدين ليوم أو يومين مخالفة للمسلمين (للتوافق مع ماما إيران).
- منح أصواتهم الانتخابية لجلاديهم ليصلوا إلى مناصب حكومية يقومون من خلالها "بواجبهم" في ذبحنا على الطريقة "المجوسية".
- دفع الأموال كنذور وأتاوات (خمس) لتماسيحهم وأفاعيهم المعممة ليسخروها في محاربة الإسلام والمسلمين ونشر دينهم المجوسي.
- تقديم نسائهم وبناتهم فرائس لمعمميهم لممارسة الزنى باسم المتعة، وبالتالي نشر الأيدز وسائر الأمراض الصحية والاجتماعية.
- العمل كقطعان في مواكب اللطم والتطبير والتجمعات التي يؤججون فيها أحقادهم وثاراتهم ضدنا، ويسبون فيها رموزنا الذين أثنى عليهم الله في كتابه.
- تشكيل المليشيات الإجرامية كجيش المهدي وفيلق بدر وغيرهما لقتل أهل السنة وهدم مساجدهم.
هذا غيض من فيض من شرور القوم – عوامهم وخواصهم – ولا أدري ما الذي ينتظره علماؤنا؟ وكم من الضحايا علينا أن نقدم أكثر لجلادي الشيعة لكي يقتنعوا بوضع حد لهذا التمييع الذي طال أمده!
SHAME ON YOU OBAMA BEFORE YOU LEAVE YOU SHOULD ASK THE STUPID IRAQI GOVERNMENT THE DECORATOR NORI AL HALEKI TO RELEASE TARIQ AZIZ WHO WILL BE HANGED BY THOSE THUGS, TARIQ AZIZ IS CHRISTEAN AND THOSE MUSLIM EVIL ARE KILLING US
Hey folks, Will be the U.S. significantly greater off staying with Syria's Assad?
This is the situation in Pakistan and Islam never allows even forced converts to go back to their original religion. What kind of religion Islam is?
http://www.defence.pk/forums/current-events-social-issues/150061-another-hindu-girl-forced-convert.html
GOVERNMENT ALREADY KILLED 7200 SUNNI AND KURD AND PUT 132000 IN PRISON AND TORTURED 13000 M RAP,.....ED MORE THAN 4000 SUNNI WOMEN THOSE MILITIA THUGS ARE WORSE THAN SERBIAN ARMY , WHERE IS USA WHEN WE NEED THEM!!!///
جيفري فيلتمان نائب وزيرة الخارجية الأمريكية يؤكد اَن قادة العراق السياسيين قادرون على تدارك الازمة الراهنة في البلاد من دون اية مساعدة خارجية
نبيل العربي يحذر من القضاء على فرص تحقيق مصالحة حقيقية في العراق ويندد بتفجيرات الخميس الدامية
رئيس اقليم كردستان العراق يشدد على ان الاكراد لن يشاركوا في اي حكومة قائمة على اساس تهميش المكونات العراقية الاخرى
البارزاني يحذر من انه في حال إستمرت المشاكل السياسية ولم يجد الائتلاف الحاكم برئاسة المالكي حلولا سريعة فإن الاكراد سيقيّمون كل الاحتمالات
وكلاء المرجع الديني محمد صادق الصدر في النجف يحذرون من مغبة دخول عصائب أهل الحق في العملية السياسية ويتهموها بممارسة القتل حتى اليوم
وكلاء المرجع الديني محمد صادق الصدر في النجف يحذرون من مغبة دخول عصائب أهل الحق في العملية السياسية ويتهموها بممارسة القتل حتى اليوم
دبي-الشرقية 7 يناير: حذر عددٌ من وكلاءِ المَرجع الديني مُحمد محمد صادق الصدر في النجف من مغبةِ دخول ِ عصائب أهل الحق في العمليةِ السياسيةمشيرين إلى أن العصائبَ ارتكبت جرائمَ ومازالت تقتل وتُشرد وتُساوم وتَبتز.وقال عددٌ من وكلاء وطلبةِ السيد محمد الصدر في بيان ان الحديثَ عن المقاومة ومواجهةِ القوات المحتلة بعيدٌ كلَ البعد عن عصائبِ أهل الحق وأفعالِها وان العراقيين لن يَنسوْا ما فعلته العصائب من جرائمَ ومازالت تفعل من قتل ٍ وتشريدٍ ومساومة ووصفوهم بأنهم حية ٌ مَلمسُها ناعمٌ وسُمُها قاتل.. واتهم البيان العصائبَ بقتل ِ عددٍ من منتسبي الأجهزة الأمنية في النجف والديوانية بحجةِ حُرمةِ الانتماء فضلا على تنفيذِ 5337 عملية ً استهدفوا فيها الأبرياءَ بضمنِها اغتيالُ النائب عن الكتلة الصدرية صالح العكيلي.
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Many muzlims on CNN urge you to 'Read the Quran and then comment' because they aim to achieve one or both of the below:
1) Deny you the moral responsibility to comment until you have read the book.
OR
2) Get you in contact with their Book in hopes of conversion, if you are sensitive enough fall for that trick that is.
The Quran itself was purportedly revealed to Prophet Mohammed over 20 years. It starts off with inner purity etc. and gradually incorporates family life, collective life in society, rules to treating Infidels, banking, rules to govern, rules to war. All the rules are towards one purpose – convert and attract more people from the other religions.
Not coincidentally, Mohammad too started off first becoming a muslim himself, then converted his family, then his community and society in large. He then raised an army, fought wars, ruled countries/cities. His observations as he did this are all incorporated in the Quran. Human beings Muslim/Non Muslim are urged by the Quran to accept these observations as 'revelations from God'.
I cover alot of the topics you raised in book - Return of Ivanhoe to be out in 2012
Normally, a true scholar does not find it necessary to tell everyone that he is a scholar. This should be evident in his wriiten word. I enjoy the revelation of truth and would ask that if you have not yet authored a book, that you should. Validating your insight by using the Qur'an and the Hadis or Fiqh prevents anyone from argueing with you, and must take issue with Islam's sacred writings. Also no one can cut you short.
I agree with you absolutely! I too have studied Islam for several years now, and I am spreading the message that the writings of Muhammad, that 7th century bandit and killer and his later co-authors (the Koran wasn't finished until 60 years after Mo's death in 632) are the most dangerous nonsense anyone has ever tried to pawn off as the words of 'God'.
The Koran is based on the fact that whenever Muhammad wanted something; his neighbor's little girl, a city, someone's wife,a camel, you name it; he would roll his eyes back in his head and the Lord God of the Universe would speak through his lips and say that Muhammad must have it. But, yes, he did say other things also that are written down.