On GPS this week at 10a.m. and 1p.m. EST on CNN, I sit down with Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman. In a long ranging discussion on domestic and foreign affairs, Huntsman lays out why he thinks he has the staying power to go all the way.
Next, I talk to Harvard academic Tarek Masoud, just back from Cairo, about the surprising rise of the hard-line Islamist Salafis.
Then, why is the outlook for America’s energy future surprisingly robust? I explore “fracking” and shale gas with one of the world’s top energy experts, Daniel Yergin.
Here's a transcribed excerpt of my conversation with Jon Huntsman:
Huntsman on his 15 minutes of fame?
Fareed Zakaria: Let's talk about the temperament, though, because it is, it seems to me, one of your problems, which is that the Republican primary wants people to say incendiary things. I mean if you watch the rise of Herman Cain, you watch the rise of Rick Perry, you watch the rise of Newt Gingrich, there is a market for people to say slightly outrageous things as a way of proving that you're, I don't know, politically incorrect or willing to not cotton to the mainstream media. You just refuse to say those kinds of incendiary things.
Jon Huntsman: Well, it may give you your Warholian 15 minutes of fame, Fareed, but in every case that you've cited, they've all come down. They go up and then they come down, because there's no staying power, there's no sustainability there. And all I'm saying is I've got a track record. I'm a consistent conservative, when you look at my record. And my track record would speak to accomplishments as governor. I've lived overseas four times, three times as a United States ambassador. I've been in business.
So when we get our Warholian 15 minutes of fame - and I think it's coming this month, as we gradually build up with a sustainable rise in New Hampshire - we'll have the staying power...
Fareed Zakaria: But you're predicting something about Newt Gingrich, who is still up. You think that that candidacy will fade?
Jon Huntsman: It's hard to know. We'll have to see where the marketplace goes. But all I can tell you is this, Fareed, I'm not going to pander. I'm not going to bluster. I'm not going to contort myself into somebody I am not. And I'm not going to sign those silly pledges like everybody else has done. And I'm not going to make that sojourn to Donald Trump's office….
I'm tired of politics as show business. This is serious business. It's not about ratings for Donald Trump. This is about jobs for the American people. This is about getting on our feet and securing our place internationally. And if we don't get our act together, we're going to see that end of the American century by 2015. And that is a price that is too high for any of us, the most blue sky, optimistic, can-do problem solving people this world has ever known. Too high a price for us to be paying.
Tune in Sunday at 10a.m. or 1p.m. EST on CNN to watch the full interview.