Editor's Note: Juan Cole is Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History at the University of Michigan. The following is reprinted from his blog Informed Comment. The views expressed in this article are solely those of Juan Cole.
By Juan Cole, Informed Comment
What's the worst case scenario of an Israeli air strike on Iran's nuclear enrichment facilities? Below is what I came up with. I think each of these scenarios is plausible in its own right, and that all could well ensue.
1. Iran is now threatening to strike at any third country in the region that aided Israel in an airstrike on Iran. The aftermath is therefore likely to be further conflict in the region.
2. Oil prices will spike. I imagine you could easily see $150 a barrel or maybe even more. This development could throw the U.S. and Europe back into deep recession.
3. Hezbollah would likely launch rockets, causing at least severe inconvenience to some 1/4 of the Israeli public, which might well have to move house again, and possibly much worse if Hizbullah is able, as they claim, to target toxic gas storage in Haifa or even the reactor at Dimona with modified Chinese silkworms.
It is not clear that the Israeli public would appreciate all that trouble; they didn’t, in former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s case (his 2006 Lebanon war was extremely unpopular and his party is no longer in power). A Hezbollah official said on Sunday that Hezbollah would be willing to go to war with Israel if Syria were attacked, so it seems likely the same thing would hold true with regard to Iran.
4. Israel would destroy Lebanon infrastructure in revenge for Hezbollah rocket attacks.
5. The Syria uprising would be over with. It would be impossible for the Syrian National Council to continue to oppose the government and risk being tagged as genuinely Israeli agents. The Baath would be consolidated in Syria.
6. An Iran-Baghdad-Damascus-Beirut axis would be strengthened, allowing for resupply of Hezbollah capabilities. Beirut would be pushed into arms of the new axis. Gulf oil states and Iraq and Iran would quickly rebuild Lebanon.
7. Iraq would be radicalized. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in Iraq would have to support Hezbollah and Lebanon or risk losing face inside al-Da’wa and losing backing in parliament of Sadr, al-Hakim and other Shiite religious forces. Al-Maliki has already given, as a reason for supporting al-Assad, the danger that Israel will take advantage of turmoil in the Fertile Crescent. Iraq would likely use its oil wealth to help rebuild Lebanon and al-Maliki’s Islamic Mission Party (al-Da’wa al-Islamiya), which helped create Hezbollah, would strengthen relations with it. You could see cleric Muqtada al-Sadr’s Mahdi Army supply men and arms to Hizbullah in Lebanon, as well.
8. The European left and liberals would be horrified and unlike in the past could well take action. Remember that the scenario is that Israel, having gone rogue and poisoned Isfahan and maybe other populations with toxic chemicals and radioactivity, went on to destroy Lebanon’s airport, harbor, electricity plants, oil refineries, roads, bridges, etc.
Ireland, Norway, and possibly some other European governments, plus large numbers of European civil society organizations and unions might well slap economic boycotts and sanctions on Israel (50% of Israel’s trade is with Europe).
Significant negative measures by the European Union are not impossible, including in area of scientific and technological exchange. In my view, the Campaign for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement in Europe would become a wave and once that happens, it could have a long term impact on the Israeli economy.
9. The region’s diplomatic dynamics could be changed. The possibility exists of a rupture between Israel and Turkey. It is also possible that Egypt will terminate the Camp David peace accords. The Egyptian military won’t care about the strike on Iran, but the Egyptian public would be horrified by that and by the likely third Lebanon war. The Muslim Brotherhood, now dominant in the Egyptian parliament, would have to react strongly or risk losing credibility in the eyes of the Egyptian public.
10. Over succeeding years, significant Israeli out-migration could occur by Israelis with sufficient education and training to find jobs elsewhere, who became convinced that the Middle East will just never settle down and be a pleasant environment for them.
This development would strengthen the internal position of the Palestinian-Israelis and possibly of the Haredim (who are probably more committed to staying and toughing it out), and weaken the Ashkenazi secular elite. Ironically, Barak has admitted that some of the impetus for preventing a nuclear Iran is to forestall this out-migration scenario, but he doesn’t seem to realize that a strike on Iran could actually have a similar demographic outcome if the region doesn’t take it lying down.
It seems obvious to me that if all these developments actually occurred,they would be much worse for Israel than if Iran actually did start a weapons program and Iran and Israel replicated on a regional scale the Mutually Assured Destruction of the U.S.-Soviet standoff of an earlier era.
The views expressed in this article are solely those of Juan Cole.
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February 6, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
GAG AND MAGOG
VOICE IN THE WIND AND FU WAHABI THOSE ARE SHIIA VILLAGE IDIOTS LIVE IN USA .
most of those shiia thigs who lives here are terrorists help iran and hizboallah and send money to them those evil shiia kelab al majoos al safween worse than kelab al wahabeen .....middleast should run by non rlegion group. keep your faith in your home and in QUM AND THE EVIL CITY OF NAJAF AND KARBALA THE HOORE CITIES WHERE MOTAA ( LEGAL ADULTERY -ZENA IS PRACTICED ). LA3ANAKUM ALLAH YA KELAB YOU DESTROY ISLAM IRAN MUST END HIZBOALLAH MUST DIE AND END AHMEDI NEJADI THE CHIEF OF THE SHIIA MUST BE ELEMENATED. HE IS RETARD LIKE ALL THE SHIIE3A WHO MARRY THEIR COUSINS AND SISTERS, INBREED NATION OF EVIL ( GOG AND MAGOG)
February 6, 2012 at 9:32 am | Reply
IRAN IS EVIL
iraqi government of NORI AL HALEKI ,KILLING CHRISTEANS
لا يتعلم العملاء من دروس التاريخ ، فهم مدفوعون باحقاد متجذرة في نفوسهم على كل ما هو عراقي وعربي ، فمع اقتراب موعد الانسحاب الامريكي المفترض من العراق تسارعت خطوات المهزومين باتجاه التخلص من قادة العراق في الاسر في اقرب وقت ، سواء باساءة معاملتهم اكثر مما سبق بمنع الدواء والعلاج عنهم لاجل قتلهم ، او التهديد بتنفيذ الاعدام بهم كما حصل مع شيخ الاسرى المناضل طارق عزيز . ان المزيج الواضح من الحقد والرعب من تحرير العراق هو الذي يدفع العملاء في بغداد للتهديد باعدام قادة العراق الاحرار والشرعيين ، ولكن هؤلاء لا يفهمون التاريخ ولذلك لا يأخذون العبر منه ، فالتاريخ يقول بان الاعدامات التي تنفذ للتخلص من الاحرار تزيد لهيب الثورة اشتعالا بدل اخمادها ، وامامنا مشهد اغتيال سيد شهداء العصر القائد صدام حسين حيث تحول الاغتيال الى مناسبة لزيادة عزلة الاحتلال والعملاء وتوسع شعبية القائد الشهيد والبعث .
واذا كان العملاء يعتقدون بانهم سيفلتون من عقاب الشعب فهم واهمون ، لان جرائمهم اكبر من ان تمر بلا عقاب ، ومنها اغتيال مئات القادة وتصفية الاف الكوادر المقاومة للاحتلال ، واعتقال عشرات الالاف من معارضي الاحتلال ، بالاضافة لتدمير العراق وتبديد وسرقة ثرواته علنا بحيث اصبح العراق المحتل في مقدمة الدول الفاسدة والفاشلة . ومهما اعتقد العملاء بان الاغتيالات سوف تضعف الثورة المسلحة ضد الاحتلال فان النتائج ستظهر لتؤكد بان الدم كلما سفك زاد لهيب الثورة وعجل موعد الحسم .
ان طارق عزيز يمثل احد اهم الوجوه المشرقة والمشرفة للعراق الحر والمستقل والسيد وصانع انجازات التقدم العلمي والتكنولوجي ، وهو كان يعد من افضل الديبلوماسيين في العالم ووصل امر الاعتراف بقدراته حد ان جورج بوش الاب حينما كان رئيسا ، وبعد فشل المفاوضات في عام 1991 بين وفد العراق برسائة طارق عزيز والوفد الامريكي برئاسة جيمس بيكر وزير خارجية امريكا وقتها ، قال امام بيكر وغيره بانه يتمنى لو كان لديه وزير خارجية بمواصفات طارق عزيز . هؤلاء هم رجالات العراق العظام سواء الاسرى منهم او من استشهد ومن مازال يقاوم الاحتلال بلا كلل .
ان اسرانا يخطون بتضحياتهم تاريخا مشرف للعراق ةوالامة العربية ، بصمودهم ورفضهم الانحناء لغطرسة الاحتلال ووحشية عملاءه ، وهم يعرفون منذ البداية بان درب تحرير الوطن وتحقيق اهداف الشعب ليس نزهة وانما هي تضحيات كبرى لا تنتهي الا بتحقيق اهداف الشعب ، ولذلك كانت وقفة رفاقنا وهم في الاسر مشرفة وتجلى ذلك في تمسكهم بمصلحة الشعب ورفضهم الرضوخ لتهديدات بالموت رغم ممارسة ابشع انواع التعذيب معهم وحرمانهم من ابسط حقوق الانسان الاسير ومنها العلاج وتوفير الدواء .
البعث الذي كان ومازال يناضل من اجل تحرر الامة وتحقيق المجتمع الخالي من الفقر والامية والمرض ...الخ وهذه الاهداف لا تتحقق الا بتضحيات مناضليه الذين يعرفون ان الاعدامات والاغتيالات مصير متوقع ومحسوب ، مثلما يعرفون ان الموت دفاعا عن الوطن هو خير خاتمة للحياة ، ففي النهاية جميعنا سنموت في يوم ما ولذلك فان اختيار الموت المشرف هو احد سمات صناع التاريخ والحضارات والتغييرات العظمى في مسار الانسانية . في ضوء ما تقدم فان التهديد بتنفيذ الاعدامات او تنفيذها فعلا لن يوقف مسيرة تحرير العراق واعادة العراق الى حالة الدعالة والاستقلال والامن وامان لمواطنيه كلهم بل على العكس سيزيد اصرار الثوار على التعجيل بالنصر وطرد الاحتلال وعملاءه .
وهنا لابد من تكرار التنبيه الى ان ما يسمى منظمات حقوق الانسان التي كانت تنظم الحملات الضخمة ضد العراق تحت واجهات خرق حقوق الانسان وكانت حملاتها احد اهم ممهدات غزو العراق تلتزم الصمت المطبق الان تجاه معاناة اسرانا وتعرضهم لاشد انواع خرق حقوق الانسان وعلنا ، ومع ذلك لا تفعل هذه المنظمات شيئا وكأن الامر لا يعنيها ! واذا كانت الدعوة لحماية حقوق الانسان جادة فان من الحتمي معاملة كل البشر بصورة متساوية لا ان تجري عمليات انتقاء وتزوير وتضخيم من اجل الدفاع عمن تريد امريكا حمايتهم لكن مناهضي الاحتلال الامريكي لا ينالون اي قدر من كشف ما يقع عليهم من مظالم .
وبهذه المناسبة فاننا نكرر دعوتنا للكتاب والصحفيين الاحرار في العراق وفي الوطن العربي لرفع اصواتهم دفاعا عن اسرانا وكشفا لما يتعرضون له من مظالم فظيعة ، وذلك احد اهم واجباتهم الوطنية والاعلامية والاخلاقية ، والصمت بازاء ما يحصل لاسرانا ليس سوى خيانة للامانة ونكوص عن مسار النضال الوطني والتحرري ، والتاريخ الان يسجل كل شيء .
المجد لاسرانا الشهداء الاحياء وفي مقدمتهم شيخ الاسرى القائد طارق عزيز .
تحية لرفاقنا الصامدين في سجون الاحتلال والعملاء .
You mean Maliki? I translated your article in the google translator, it is all about pro Saddam Hussein and Tareq Aziz. Where has the current Iraqi government killed Christians? The insurgents supporting Saddam's Baath party, and Al Qaeda have been very busy blowing up religious centers of all kind particularly Christians and Muslim Shia. Give it up Saddam is Dead, he won't come back, so move on with your nonsense.
History has shown us time and time again that those who don't learn from their past mistake are doomed to make it again and for worse. All the wars and their real historical backgrounds that are controlled by the self-serving elites and the industrialists, has proven that the outcome of each and every contemporary wars has been nothing but total disasters. Case in point: Iraq. We lied through a rigorous propaganda mainstream US and its European lying media about each and everything about Sadam and his regime. What was the purpose for these lies by our governments and its subservient press and media? To fulfill some fabled Jewish "elders of Zion" garbage about Israel owning the entire Middle East and wiping out its Arab population. Just fulfill a fairy tale Zionists' pipe dream, we killed over 2 million innocent Iraqi civilians and call it as "collateral damage". We did the same in Afghanistan, Libya and now getting the same evil wheels oiled against Iran just to satisfy the religious bigots against Iran. In order to justify our Western self serving high moral grounds by calling Islam as a backward destructive religion in comparison to its so called "Judeo-Christian" religion. Our population in the United States has gone through a systematic dumbing process so anything the special interests hand-in-hand with our sold-out greedy idiots in the Congress and the Senate plans the dumb American sing and dance to their garbage through the mainstream media and its hype. News is given more like an entertainment and the great majority of American buy the garbage of our mainstream media. All those who are now trying to justify an Irani attack know well that even if Iran had 20 nuclear bombs it poses no threat to Isreal leave alone USA. We faced tens of thousand of nuclear bombs from the former USSR and had our military strategies well planned and well placed for any event that could escalate a threat from the former USSR. Isreal is a super-power militarily and thanks to USA and its military assistance to her that now israel is threatening the world peace. All those Taludic tribes know well what the prophecies of the Judea is!
No where in your rambling did you give one iota of a sensible thought. Having read all that blah blah self loathing hypocrisy we are all now dumber.
Mohamad, a knife in the hands of a cook prepares delicious food. The same knife in the hands of a fool causes tragedy. If Israel by your account is a super power, give me one example of one terrorist organization that they support, show me a country on the map that they are meddling in that country. Tell me of one incident that Israel has hijacked a plane, car bombed a building, bomb strapped homicide bombers to blow buses, cafes,.....and kill innocent people. Whereas all of the above and more are just trade marks of the Iranian regime. NOT THE PEOPLE but only the regime. Israel was the only country on this planet that helped Iran to convert a vast desert area in Iran into the most productive agricultural land. Gave them the technology that they did not have. All these when Iranian government had no problem with Israel. No one really knows why Iran is so much against Israel? Only one guess, distraction. To occupy the iranian people with that hypothetical enemy and keep the people living in a stage of "revolution". Just like Bashar has done in Syria. So, remember the knife, that is the bomb in the hands of a foolish regime. Don't you agree it can create disaster? I am sure you agree.
@mellow – what about all the IRanian scientists who are murdered? Who is behind those killings if not Israel? Or you think Iran is killing its own elite scientists to mislead the world?
Yess. Bulls eye.
Yess. Bulls eye. If Israel attacks Iran Iran should aims all their missiles to the Israeli Nuclear Centre, Dimona.
Mello: You need t o re-read your history, Israel or as it was called in the 1930’s Palestine, was bombed and people were assassinated buy the Jews (British as well as Arabs ) Where do you think the Mosad came from. They were using terrorist tactics before the state of Israel was founded. If anything the Palestinians learned how to use terror from the Jews. Let’s not forget the kidnapping of former Nazi’s out of other countries and the killing of Americans (USS Liberty). They may have started off as country who need our support but the past 20 year they have changed and are now just much an oppressor as the country’s they claim are out to get them.
Well stated and very true!!!!
So Israel using its military to bomb and kill innocent palestinians constantly, isn't terrorism? They just do it with an actual miltiary uniform on. Israel depriving Palestinians of food and medicine isn't terrorism? So when the Palestinians retaliate against Israel, who uses missles, helicopters and a miltiary force, with the only weapns they have, rockets, suicide bombers – that isnt self defense against a military might?
Mohammed. Please calm down. You need to turn that anger and energy into positive action. For example. Find out who your Congressperson is, and if that person is a HAWK Republican, work on the campaign of his/'her opponent to get that person out of office. Only by changing the inside through Democratic action, working tirelessly for change – election after election, until we have a Congress we can be proud of. A Congress that will change our policy on everything – especially Foreign policy. We need a government that actually lives its' values. Kick these right wing war-mongering, religious self-righteous out....
Mohammed, I'm with Dan, I feel that I've lost 10% of my brain cells trying to comprehend this irrational gibberish you've posted. BTW, if I may ask, how long to it take you to conger up these brilliant thoughts?
well said Mr. Cohen, we live in a world dominated by propaganda. the Irak war was a huge lie which worked with many people. they are trying the same lie with Iran, using the same propaganda: it is no more WMD, it is "nuclear weapons"!! what happened to the WMD in Irak??...WMD does not work anymore, nuclear weapons is another term they found for their propaganda to war....but where are the proofs?? the war propaganda people forget one important thing: Russia and China signed a treaty of self defense with....Iran a few years ago...!
The problem in the Middle East is Apartheid Israel. Get some good news here:
http://www.democracynow.org/
Jay and Dan: You put down the original post by name calling. Can you articulate no logical rebuttal to what's been stated?
"If Israel by your account is a super power, give me one example of one terrorist organization that they support, show me a country on the map that they are meddling in that country. Tell me of one incident that Israel has hijacked a plane, car bombed a building, bomb strapped homicide bombers to blow buses, cafes,.....and kill innocent people"
@mellow..The Israelis have been meddling in Lebanon for quite some time along with their refusal to permit the palestinians to to have a homeland, it that really any different than meddling in a country? Are you aware that the first airline hijacking in the Middle East was done by Israeli agents? Look it up. Bombed buildings? How about the Hotel David, look it up. Kill innocent people? In their last attack on Gaza and Israeli sniper shot a 12 year old girl who was merely seeking shelter, they used phospherous weapons against a civlian population killing many innocent men, women and children. During the 1948 war there was a policy of ethnic cleansing by Israel against the Palestinian population as well as the massacre of un-armed men in some of the villages in order to scare the rest to leave. I think Israel has shown more than once that it is no less capable of crimes against humanity than any other country and that it will support terrorism when it feels necessary.
Mellow, I think you need to go back on history to read about how Israel created, then you will understand what Israel doing now and what are their goals; don’t be fooled by majority of US media. (Israel originally starts a terrorist organization in Europe to get Balfour promise and now it is a terrorist land).
Why dont you muslim loving jackwagons get your facts right.USA has not killed millions of Iraqi's.Your "peacefull muslims are murdering far more people all over the middle east and beyond.Your hatred for Israel is bogus and sad.I would prefer to live in peace with the Jews then live with you wacko muslims who beat your women,marry them at age 9 or less,and throw acid on them.All in the name of a pedifile named mohammed.Its time America,Israel and her allies end all this cancer in the middle east.You also cheer when muslims blow up Israels people,lob grenades at kids,and shoot them.I hope Israel gives you what you deserve.
Couple of quick points. First, about Iraq,I agree that it was a ridiculous war that cost both Iraqi and American lives. 2 million Iraqis, however, is a ridiculous figured justifed by only your imagination. Estimates made by multiple independent groups put the total at 100K+. Also, you go back to blaming Israel for all middle east wars, which is again a fantasy of yours. America had its own interests in invading Iraq, Afghanistan, and aiding the Libyan campaign without silly conspiracy claims that Israel "owns" the U.S. and dictates its foreign policy.
Finally, though I wish to avoid any attack on Iran due to the international headache it would cause; stating that Iran is not a threat to Israel is naive. They have been arming both Hezbollah and Hamas for decades fighting a cladenstine war against the Jewish population though Israel has never been a threat to Iran. 200,000 Hezbollah missles next door in Gaza and Lebanon are proof of that undercover war. Israel has are certainly justified in defending themselves against constant attacks from Iran, whether they are direct or by supporting third party terrorist organizations. A nuclear Iran is, indeed, a threat to Israel.
Nonsense. Israel must never allow the Islamic-Fascist regime in Iran to wield any nuclear weapon. Iran, and its fascist-style Islamic government is the enemy of freedom and a threat to all peaceful people. Winston Churchill recognized the evil of Nazi Germany and was successful in fighting fascism and bringing about peace in Europe. Perhaps the hot-headed young men in the middle east, bred with ignorance and contempt for the Western ideals of freedom and democracy, will cost us a great deal of death and destruction. However, we will survive in the West and live to see the end of the fascists in Iran, as we lived to see the end of the fascists in Europe. It's well worth the sacrifice.
Really? You invoke a pipe dream in the same sentence that you speak of the "Protocols" as if they were anything more than a Czarist forgery. Lame.
And welcome to the world u live in.!.
hinduism, denial of truth by a hindu, doing best , what a hindu, negative does best, his hinduism, lies about truth absolute. If it was not hinduism of hindus crocks, world would not be facing mayhem today.
Mohammed was a child molester. Your prophet was nothing but a psychotic pervert.
Go blow a goat!
hindu's mama.
I cant stop laughing
All of you act like little kids.
Grow up. Saying things like "Hindu's mama" and "go blow a goat" say more about YOU than the person you're attempting to insult.
pce out.
the only problem israel could have if it strikes a military attack on IRAN is ISRAEL GETTING WIPPED OF THE MAP
@ Iran is Evil -You are full of anger and hatred and probably need some mental help. May God bless and give you peace before you die, my child.
Well Said
Don't you mean Israel is evil?
Even in the Koran/Quran it sais Israel belongs to the Jews. The real muslims know this. Than their are the muslims who say what is written is taken out of context and than they make up stories how g-d changed his mind...
Its in the Bible, New Testament, Quran. Pick a religion. Israel belongs to the Jews. Palestine was just a region 2 centuries ago...It was never a country lolol ...
Let them blow each other up... Who cares.... Let oil prices spike so Electric cars and industry revolutions are forced to happen.
I'm sick of the middle East and Africa... They all want to kill each other – so let them just do it. It's not my problem and SURE AS HELL isn't the problem of the US.
We need to rebuild our own nation and quit focusing on others while trying to police the world.
Hallo Tyler,
due to the fact that I served the last ten years partly (always for 6-8 month) in Afghanistan I can tell you that you are absolutely right. They will never change their mind because the are infected by a so-called religious virus. The problem is that it is not the religion itself, its their own bloody brain which is in someways de-organized. I am totally with you, if they wnat to wipe out each other, let them do it. Furthermore, how dare they are by telling other countries what they have to do or to support.
حَوّامتي مُمْتِلئة بِأَنْقَلَيْسون Because I said so.
حَوّامتي مُمْتِلئة بِأَنْقَلَيْسون Because I said so. And having a hovercraft full of eels is never a bad thing.
Interesting, yes, I believe a nuclear Iran is not the end of the world. I know that the Arab/Persion Mideast are a bit miffed at the US/UK/French hoisting a Jewish state on them without much consultation or suitable payment in kind BUT there it is, and the hoisterors are all BROKE. I wish we could collectively be a little sorry for our extreme arrogance but it really isn't the fault of the Jews who are, after all, Abrahamic Arab brothers.
Let us see.. Iranian leaders have promised to their own people and to the Arab states that Israel would be "erased from the map" and in case Iran will get a bomb these Arabs and Iranians will demand the Iranian leaders to make true of their promises. If it would not happen then some contenders would emerge pointing that the current leaders of Iran are LIARS and Zi0nist agents and that they (the contenders) would end Israel if they were in power. This makes an Iranian attack on Israel very probable in case Iran will get nukes. This also makes Israeli action to prevent Iran from getting nukes very probable as well. I'm sure that Israel will not use force against Iran uunless as a last resort in case there will be no other way to prevent Iran from getting nukes. If it happens, however, Israel will not ask anyone's permission and will use enough force to assure that Iranian counter-attack will not follow.
Iran is crazy, but not stupid. If Iran launches a nuke towards Israel, Iran would cease to exist. Israel has 200 nukes or more, many of them positioned in advanced submarines backed by the US Fleet.... Its 2012, everyone will start making nukes because the technology is almost 70 years old... compared to the type of nukes Israel has, If I were a Jew I woudnt be lossing any sleep over it...
If Israel makes peace with its neighbors, they will not have all this drama!
If Israel would make peace? Are you consuming the poppy? Israel has been targeted for destruction since birth. She has attempted to make peace with all her neighbors and has tried the appeasement route with them all as well. It comes down to the nations around Israel just wants war to continue.
CORRECT, Osama (and, your name is a HUGE clue).
So, let's look at what those war mongering JOOOOZ would have to do to make peace.
1. Give back ALL the land taken in '67. (of course, aside from having NO buffer in case of attack, DO realize that Iran, Iraq, syria, , etc., have said there will be NO peace so long as Israel exists...but, ok, let's just assume they're lying)
Israel gives it all back and there's peace, right ?
NOT SO FAST:
2. A 2-state solution. Well, EVERY Israeli leader has agreed since 1948 -so, THAT's not an issue.
3. There is also the demand for right of return. SO, the Arabs get their state, AND then, through return , represent a MAJORITY of Israel's population...in other words, they get TWO states, for all intents and purposes.
4. Jerusalem- ANY historian will tell you that, with VERY few exceptions, the ONLY time Jews have been free to worship in Jerusalem, is when THEY controlled it; and dont you Christians think that Muslims will let YOU infidels worship either...history proves otherwise.
BUT – ok, let's play the game. Israel gives ALL of the above. THEN what do you have ?
Terrorism...and the governments that be will say (as they do now) "Huh ? it's not US...it's FRINGE groups, we cant DO anything about it ! – but, the reality is, after giving up everything, the Jews STILL are at war.
Yes, Sadam...you're right....but the "peace" to which you refer, is peace because Israel would no longer exists.
I agree with the guy name OSAMA statement. Israel makes it a big issue out of Iran. Even though Israel is way a head over weapons technology. About War between Iran and Israel, I don't this it will ever exist.
Iran wouldn't nuke Israel, a nuclear attack would be suicide.
Israel has long-range ballistic missiles (Jericho missiles), fighter-bombers (F-15s/F-16s) and state-of-the-art German Dolphin class submarines (reportedly capable of launching cruise missiles) to retaliate with its own nuclear weapons.
Iran would be wiped out.
Osama... One side can start and maintain a war but BOTH sides are necessary to make peace. If and when Iran, the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab states will ask for peace negotiations Israel will glaldy agree.
Paki786... I'm not sure about YOU but I would be worried in case my neighbor was running around with a gun yelling that he is giong to kill me and all my family members... even if I had TWO guns.
Skeiron... In September, 2001 the US had all the things you've listed and more. Nevertheless, in September, 2001 Afghanistan DID attack the United States.
Osama attacked the USA, not exactly Afghanistan.
@ Thinker, nice name, but it will be good if you can do that just once. I'm not an Ahmadinejad fan, not a muslim, not an Iranian...but can you please quit the "erase off the map" comment? He never said that. Fox news has done a good job of brainwashing the neandarthals wandering in north america. Do your own research and get your news from multiple sources. Just don't believe what you're fed on biased news channels.
to Thinker23: Iran never said they would eliminate israel, their words were mistranslated on purpose and you know that! Thinker23 is a stupid pro-war racist jew who is telling the propaganda lies on CNN. Thinker23 is not interesting to read, please go away!
Mark, Jew for Peace
When Israel stops stealing land they may begin to sleep better at nights.
Hebrew were of Abraham faith but not Jews, they are none but mix breed of Egyptian and Persian hindus and their believe is nothing but teachings of Hebrews subordinated to hindu fundamentals of racism based on, not human equality commanded by Hebrew and Islamic teachings but Pharoahnic hindu Egyptian hinduism, racism. No need to kosher a pig.
An you are one of the Bast***ds
Hey you, can you stop obsessing about hindus? You sound like a HO... Who can't stop obsessing about a round headed di...k.
Only a hindu ignorant can have love for a hindu, ignorant, Bassd–t is of the hindu, and you are one of them hindu, Bas–t–rd.
Mohammed was a child molester. Your whole religion is based upon the rantings of a pervert.
The Arabs will not tolerate a nuclear Iran, they will aquire nukes too. If iran got it all will get it!!!
there is no way we will strike Iran. the US is pressuring us from every possible direction,and even Bibi,with all due respect,can keep his pride in check when it comes to Obama,and especially when it concerns Iran.
Dan... Use of force against Iran is NOT a matter of choice, it's a matter of necessity. Neither the US nor Israel will do it unless as a last resort in case there will be no other way to prevent Iran from getting nukes.
Thinker23 is a dangerous warmonger jew...let's ignore this guy,maybe he can go and post somewhere else, on foxnews maybe.
Thinker23=racist moron!
Thinker23 is a dangerous warmonger jew...let's ignore this guy,maybe he can go and post somewhere else, on foxnews maybe.
Thinker23=racist moron!
Mark, Jew for Peace
Israel needs to be invaded and its weapons of mass destruction need to be dismantled. Israel is the only nation in the ME that has nukes. What makes them so special?
Thinker23 is an Israeli shill. Ignore him, he gets paid by the Israeli government.
I hope you are right an attack on Iran would be a disaster What could Iran do? Forget the straights of Hormuz. One of the worlds biggest oil refineries sets on the coast of Saudi Arabia 100 miles across the gulf from Iran. A nice fat sitting target that produces 550,000 barrels of oil a day. With heavy bombing it could take years to repair. Sink the ships at the loading docks so they are out of service. How about shooting down satellites at random to stop international trade. We had better think carefully!
Remeber the Gulf war, and how Iraq, with a huge military force, was going to wage the "Mother of all battles", and wolrd war 3 was going to ensue?Well, in case you are two young to remember, Iraq was defeated in humiliation withing 2 weeks with almost no casualties on the other side.
Iran is a primitive 3rd word nation. They do not have the capability or technoligy to compete even remotely with US and Israeli mkilitary power. Which is why they so desparately want nukes.Israel could pummel Iran into submissin in about 3 hours. The rest of the Arab world woud jump up and down and scream anti-semetic comments, and then do nothing, because they want Iran taken out as much as Israel does. They would secretly be delighted if Isreal did the work for them, and I would bet money that right now there are secret talks going on between Israel and other Arab leaders assuring them there would be no consequences of an Israelli attack,.
@jim No, Iran is not some 3rd world nation. They are 2nd world. Big difference. Afghanistan is 3rd world though. Also, Iran is a far better military machine than Iraq ever was. I don't get why you are making comparisons between the two countries. Also, to think ISrael would pummel Iran in just 3 hours is the last straw and isn't even laughable, but sad that you could even think such a thing and be taken seriously.
to moron Jim: Israel gets all his weapons thanks to us in the USA. Israel cannot hit Iran or Israel would come under heavy retaliation from various angles (Hezbollah, Iran, some arab countries,...) AND Russia+China would get involved: Russia+China signed a treaty of self defense with Iran.Israel knows that, Jim does not!!
So please moron Jim, think before you write, or maybe you have no clue....maybe you know now??
Mark, Jew for Peace
I have to agree with my battle buddy, Soldier. Iran in fact has a very strong military, and a stockpile of semi-current weapons. Iraq had outdated tanks and some cruise missiles, and is about half the size of Iran. If we went to war with Iran, or if Israel attacked Iran, there would be a blood bath that hasn't been seen since WW2. Personally, being deployed to Kuwait, smack dab in the middle of the two countries, makes me hope that a peacefull resolution can be found. We just finished our convoys out of Iraq, and I am looking forward to coming home. If this situation breaks down, I have a feeling I may not be seeing my family for a long time...
I don't know if any of you play video games, but this sounds a lot like the Battlefield 3 campaign.
If only Germany had a decent Chancellor who would go all out and try to arrange a peace conference between Israel and Iran instead of this Washington-loving Angela Merkel, maybe this conflict could be avoided. This goes to show that the current European are self-serving and amoral at best!!!
Can you elaborate on this please? I'd like to know what exactly can Iran offer to Israel and what Israel can offer to Iran to make such "peace conference" productive. Please?
to George: Please do not answer Thinker23, he is a stupid warmonger jew with no brain!! let's ignore him, not worth the time!
Mark, Jew for Peace
Sure Merkel is going to wave her magic wand and all of a sudden there's going to be peace in the Middle East...
I agree with you George. Where are the Europeans when it comes to the killing in Syria? Why does everyone point their fingers at the U.S. and say – "let the Americans fight them." Sorry. We have had enough of it. If Israel is so rigid in their demands they will not compromise, and the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world have offered a hand of peace, only to have it spit on. Let the games begin between them. With this issue I am an isolationist!
Linda,
You don't have a clue as to who has been offering the hand of peace and who has been spitting on it. Just look at how the arab "governments" treat their own people, and you'll have some idea of who wants peace.
I agree with you. I would love to sit this one out. But being deployed to Kuwait, I have a feeling it might have a little impact on us... Don't worry, its just about 15,000 of us here... At least this time the enemy might be wearing uniforms so we don't have to be as paranoid about kids asking for candy, then blowing themselves up.
Totally worth the college money!!
Juan Cole is cavalier rgarding the unacceptable danger of Iran becoming militarily nuclear. If he lived in Israel and he and his loved ones were at risk from the holocaust deniers in Iran his assessment, though still wrong, would at least deserve attention. It does not deserve serious consideration. The obvious bias regarding other issues like a spike in oil prices, not qualified by its expected limited duration is an example of the lack of reliability by Cole's analysis..
Let start by saying I hate the Iranian regime.
Israel seems to want to do what it wants when it wants and use its political influence in the USA to drive our foreign policy. Last I checked this is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA not of Israel, Attacking Iran would be stupid and unnecessary. Iran could never use a nuclear weapon against Israel because Iran knows if it did, or even if it was suspected of doing it, it would no longer exist . Don't let political rhetoric fool you, Persians and Jews have always gotten along and still do despite what their political leaders spew on TV. I agree that the current regime in Iran should NEVER have nuclear weapons but bombing Iran will only prolong their existence and create a tuff situation for the only other non Arab state in the Middle east, Israel. Instead of focusing on rhetoric and scaring their population at the prospect of the Iranians using a nuclear device on Israel, the Israeli leadership should focus on constructive efforts to get rid this Iranian regime and negotiate a final settlement with the Palestinians to for once and for all shut the Iranian regime's mouth about Israel's 'abuse' of the Palestinians.
Mike... The Al Qaeda terrorists somehow COULD attack the US on 9/11/2001. Do you really believe that they DID NOT KNOW they would no longer exist after their action?
My two favorite in-laws are Jewish, so my problem is not with Jews, it is with the Israeli government and the hard-liners that support it. Mike is 100% correct in his assessment of Israel. It does what it wants when it want, and ignores the U. S., its biggest supporter and financier. It Israeli provokes a war, it should be left to fight it itself. Let it solve its own problems, come what may. If Israel would end its Occupation of the Palestinians, maybe it could find friends in the Arab world and end the need to be the military state that it is. Leonard Schwartzburd gives his Ph.D as credentials for his comments. I give my own Ph.D to say he is wrong.
Don:
WHY is it that ignoramuses like you spout and parrot nonsense.
You make it sound like the ONLY grond that the Arabs have for peace, is the return on Gaza and West Bank. You only show IGNORANCE.
1. With the Exception of Abbas, NO ONE has said that peace will come at ANY price other than Israel's destruction. NO ONE has said that return of the territories is the only demand.
2. What about right of return ?
3. What about Jerusalem ?
Mike , well done pal I think your comment is the most educated response I've ever seen on here. I normally never post anything but I like reading people's thoughts. Your response was so good It forced me to comment good work !
Don... If tomorrow Israel removed ALL settlements, ALL military bases, ALL checkposts and withdrew to the cease fire lines of 1949... WOULD THERE BE PEACE, in your opinion? YES OR NO? It's a pretty simple YES or NO question and one does not need a PhD to answer it. Good luck!
what you and alot of other people are forgetting is how cheap life is to muslim extremists. would it be suicidal for Iran to nuke Israel? absolutely. would this deter them from sending the nukes? absolutely not. they will all be martyrs to the cause of eliminating Israel from the earth. suicide is not a bad path for these people. on the other hand, the democratic and diverse population of Israel do not wish to be martyred by Iran. that is why a pre-emptive is so necessary. and we should all be forever grateful to Israel for blowing up Iraq's nuclear facilities when it did.
Leonard, well said.
Jaun Cole – possibly one of the weakest arguments I've read in a long time. Anyone who refers to rocket strikes on any nation as a "severe inconvenience" is severely misguided. If someone shot missiles at your ivory tower at the University of Michigan I believe you'd be slightly more than "inconvenienced."
What Cole fails to state is that by not doing anything Israel and the world have far more to loose than oil prices and further instability.
"In Germany, [the Nazis] first came for the Communists, and I did not speak up, because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak up, because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak up, because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I did not speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me – and by that time no one was left to speak up."
–Martin Niemoller
I think the situation with Iran is difficult. Right now, Israel holds a bit of a trump card in the region, if they can't cope with larger opposing conventional forces, they have the nuclear card in their deck. That gets neutralized if Iran has them too. Also they have to consider the possibility of unstable leadership using the things in an irrational way. Comparing the risks of the items in the article above with the increased possibility that their country and its population might not survive a future conflict at all as a result, it kind of puts a different spin on the probability that they will act. I kind of think they will act preemptively, alone if they have to, as in spite of all of the real downsides, they may conclude that it is the course of action with the highest probability that their nation and their people survive in the long term. It is difficult to guess what all factors they are considering, but the risks of the war genie escaping the bottle seem very real and the potential ramifications very disturbing and difficult to guess. I would hope that other nations are increasing their emergency stockpiles of crude, because if war breaks out, aside from what bigger problems could develop, it seems likely that at least for the short term, the supply side will be crippled.
WAR IS STUPID, LEARN TO ACT CIVILIZED!!! THIS IS FOR ALL THAT PROMOTE VIOLENCE RATHER THEN PEACE!!!
it is 2012 but i guess some of humanity is still behind on they're spiritual awakening, i hope for the sake of humanity people learn to coexist. myself i only care for the well being of my family, i dont mind dying because i understand life is just an interlude, if we would all learn to be productive rather then destructive we might actually advance further and colonize space, therefore eliminating all the the stupid wars for land and resources. just an optimistic outlook in a pessimistic world, peace brothers and sisters i hope one day we all learn a better way of existence.
I have no doubt that Tel Aviv will be vaporized if Israel attacks Iran. The Evangelical Christians are hoping for that, as they think it will force Jesus to return. That's why they are egging them on.
Israel will not use force against Iran unless as a last resort. If it happens, however, Israel will use enough force to assure that Iran would not be willing or able to lauch a counter-attack.
Ridiculous and sad, but true. Religion poisons everything it touches.
NO, ckelley – incorrect.
Those who are prone to violence will always find justification.
If it wasnt religion, it would be nationalism.
Actually that is incorrect. Jesus statesthat, "no one knows the day or hour" when he will return. So your comment is just as inaccurate as Harold Camping's prediction that Jesus would return in 2011.
No doubt Israel has to do its cost-benefit analysis before it rushes into this foray. It's going to be a no-win game. The Hezbollah in Lebanon would terrorise the Israelis. The others – the GCC states – would watch and hope Iran and Israel destroyed each other. Not to ignore is the international outcry against Israel, which would trigger further anti-Semitic sentiments.
I think the Israelis should all go to hell. And the Persians too.
I think everyone on earth needs to die before we find peace.
Here's to extinction. Here's to Israel and Iran destroying life on earth.
Uh.,, heres to you first.
listen to ron paul. peace is the only answer! we must let israel figure this out for itself. enough is enough. we do not need another war and $150 oil. GOP idiots
GOP idiot chickenhawks like Romney Gingrich and Santorum have no clue
Some valid points but "The Syria uprising would be over with" is an absurd. It is their own conflict and they do not care about Israel.
No, I think he's right. In a situation outlined above the insurgents would probably lose popular support because it would been seen as weakening Syria against an aggressive Israel. It would be the outside threat that forces people to rally round the flag. You've seen it happen here, why wouldn't it happen there?
i guess that israel will have to take that chance and better sooner than later while the syrians are fighting each other, the egyptians are fighting each other, the Libyans are fighting each other, the yemenis, etc. ad nauseum. Coles' arguments are specious. Its not surprising that the arab apologists would jump on his bandwagon as they are always looking for a way out of the holes they dig for themselves.
What are you talking about ? What is the guy whose family was killed supposed to do ? Do you really think they more interested about conflict between foreign countries somewhere far away than the war in their own village ? You probably have no idea about what is going on in Syria.
We destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq back in June 1981. We destroyed the Syrian nuclear facility that was being built (with North Korea's help) back in September 2007. We WILL destroy Iran's nuclear reactors as well. You are afraid of oil prices spiking? We are afraid of human casualties here in Israel. The Palestinians and their supporters keep crying how their sweet, innocent women and children are dying at the hands of the IDF. Well, plenty of innocent women and children are dying in Israel too at the hands of Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran and WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES JUST LIKE THE USA DID IN RETALIATION FOR 9/11 !!!! If you're not with us, then you side with the TERRORISTS !!!!
You can take your false dichotomy and your association fallacies and shove it.
@er – Drop Dead...You can go straight to HELL !!!!
@Israeli Supporter – Drop Dead – spoken like a true hater. Israel needs to be on their own. I don't want one cent of my tax dollars supporting this oppressive terrorist state.
sounds like you received a degree in psychology from a local community college. no degree in history or political science however
Why can't people figure out how to co-exist in peace? I worked with Persian and Jewish coworkers. We all got along fine. Dam religions are the source of so much hate in this world. Religion is the only way to command mass of lemmings to bow down to some city, or convince themselves to be some chosen people.
ONe side can start and maintain a war. BOTH sides are necessary to make peace.
It's ok, IDF soldier...you can take the heat from these guys on here.
YOU , I and MANY others KNOW that the reason Israel is mollified, is simply cowardice.
People wont speak FOR Israel out of fear of the reprisal (think Rushdie).
KEEP up the good work, my TZAHAL friend.
MANY support you.
Linda,
Grow up. War has had many positive effects: ended slavery in the U.S., defeated the nazis, broke the U.S. away from the tyrannical British in 1776, pushed Iraq out of Kuwait, etc. etc. Sometimes war is the only way to solve problems, unfortunately. The Arab governments are now showing the world that they are better than the nazis or the communists or the Maoists who killed tens of millions of their own people. They don't care about their "muslim bothers". They simply want power, and they view Israel as a threat to their power, because Israel has Western Democratic principles. Also because they are xenophobic (look it up) and hate anyone who is not just like them. Muslims in general are brought up loathing anyone who is not of their narrow-minded sect. That's why there is so much in-fighting in the Arab world. The mo-rons in this blog who talk about Israel murdering the palestinians (as in "Philistines – uncultured brutes") don't know what they are talking about. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, the palis turned what had been farms and villages into the dreck that it is today. If the palis stopped firing rockets at Israel, stopped blowing up buses and restaurants in Israel, the palis would live in peace with Israel. But they jsut want to destroy Israel, not live in peace.
Linda,
Grow up. War has had many positive effects: ended slavery in the U.S., defeated the nazis, broke the U.S. away from the tyrannical British in 1776, pushed Iraq out of Kuwait, etc. etc. Sometimes war is the only way to solve problems, unfortunately. The Arab governments are now showing the world that they are NO BETTER than the nazis or the communists or the Maoists who killed tens of millions of their own people. They don't care about their "muslim brothers". They simply want power, and they view Israel as a threat to their power, because Israel has Western Democratic principles. Also because they are xenophobic (look it up) and hate anyone who is not just like them. Muslims in general are brought up loathing anyone who is not of their narrow-minded sect. That's why there is so much in-fighting in the Arab world. The mo-rons in this blog who talk about Israel murdering the palestinians (as in "Philistines – uncultured brutes") don't know what they are talking about. When Israel pulled out of Gaza, the palis turned what had been farms and villages into the dreck that it is today. If the palis stopped firing rockets at Israel, stopped blowing up buses and restaurants in Israel, the palis would live in peace with Israel. But they just want to destroy Israel, not live in peace.
I support the right of Israel to exist. I do not support aggressive acts that may lead to a wide spread war in the Middle East that would suck in the United States. So, while I support your right to exist I do not think it is the responsibility of the United States to back that up. Either you are a country that can stand on it's own or you are already in the death spiral. In either case leave the US out of it.
If you recall Israel sat on their rear while taking inbound Scuds from Iraq killing there people. They stayed out of it due to US pressure. If Israel naisl Iran do you think for one second Iran will not try to get the US involved?
Chris... Let me understand... You support the right of Israel to EXIST but you do not support its right to DEFEND ITSELF?
Agreed, we should not be wasting our TAX dollars on such wasteful things, from which we gain nothing. Let them clean their own backyard. Why meddle in between them ?
I guess I'm with them then.. i will not send my son back over to defend you people.the whole area can goto hell as far as i'm concern..We have problems over here that we need to take care of so screw the Israelies and screw the islamist you people can take your religion and shove it..Btw is is all you people do over there??I never here anything good about that area so am just wondering...
Iran has it coming to them anyway . If oil prices go up it is because American oil companies speculate them up , that has been the way since Katrina . The American government is all about the money it can take from it's people and everyone else is fair game too . It is long past time that the country most likely to support terrorists for the religion of peace gets payback .
IDF, you are part of the problem that brings Middle East rage against Americans.
But of course! If there was no IDF or even no Israel there still would be Arab terrorism and Islamic militance... and they would find another reason to hate the West.
and otherwise, middle east thinking would be to love americans? absurd and pathetic
Here we go...
IDF soldier, thank you for speaking the truth with your knowledge and insight! As an American military member serving overseas, I wish to extend my solidarity with you and all of Israel because your enemies are indeed mine as well. I am sorry to admit that Obama has failed to acknowledge the threat that Iran poses, but in the end, I know that the Israeli military has the might and the will to pulverize Iran's nuclear facilities. With regard to Hamas, Hezbollah, and all other Islamic terrorist organizations in the world, they are hell bent on destroying Israel and the United States and provoking fear in the hearts of many. THEY WILL NEVER SUCEED! May God be with you, and your country – Shalom!
IDF... I stand beside you. Every country has the right to deffend one self, as yes we did in 911. We did it to protect our country, women, children and way of life that sad to say the terrosists seem to think is wrong. So instead of taking us on as a military they decided to kill thousands of inoscent civilians. The same type of ppl that know if they go against Israel they lose, so they attack by missles from Gaza. PPl are mad because civilians died in OIF. Yes they did, but when looked at and I am a vetrean of OIF X2.. The terroists killed more civilians then we did (IED's, Ethnic Cleansing, suicide bombers, ect), but they blame us. They say our propaganda is false ok well some is as every ones is at times. But I have never seen Israel throw the first punch, but have seen them kick the crap out of anyone throwing it. Iran well they are still upset with the USA because Iraq was a stronge hold and in 8 Years of war they achieved nothing, but we took them out in 2 weeks, would of been 1 but yeah sand storms stop progress, lol. So let them talk crap and throw crap at us, but when it comes down to it they are all scared cause if either Israel/USA wanted non of the Arab states could take us on, even if they all joined together. Look at Military assets and compair all together, all together may equal just what the US has. Oh and to all the religious ppl out there, religion is crap and Jesus "obalished it", due to the same reason you all say "Jahad, or whatever", when all ppl see ppl as ppl and not race, color, man/woman, jew, christain, muslum, hindu, ect. then there will be no religion and life would be good. It is called faith, and we are hated because we let that prevail and we let ppl be ppl. So hate us all you want, but the USA will and always stand behind Israel our brothers, commrades. So no worries cause Israel has a big freakin stick and a even bigger one behind them to support them (US Military). So I say BRING IT ON!!!!
Go sell your story to "Faaux" News. I am sure they will be entertained. How many civilians did you gun down Soldier ?
U.S. Soldier, thank you for fighting for us and thank you for what you have written. Well said!
... and "Red" is an ignoramus!
That's well and good but please, keep the US out of it.
right on.
Right on, right on.
One way an Israeli non strike on Iran could radically weaken Israel. Iran would try to destroy Israel as they keep promising.
wishful thinking.
...and "Fred" is a dip-shi-t!
Isreal will do what they believe is in Isreal's best interest. As any nation should do. Will an attack be effective? Who can say. Will there be repercussions? Probably. Will that stop Isreal from doing what they believe is in Isreal's best interest? No. Understand that if Iran has the bomb, it will find its way to Isreal. If the US thought the first one was headed for New York, there is no doubt we'd be taking action.
How does 4,000 degrees in downtown Tehran sound?
As an Iranian-American with family in Iran.... pretty bad
Juan Cole's analysis is "ass-backwards", akin to warning a would be murder victim against fighitng back lest she make too much noise and disturb the neighborhood, and survival may involve emotional scars.
The alternative to Israel acting now, is a nuclear Iran and the countdown to Israel's destruction in a nuclear holocaust. The Iranian leadership has repeatedly made clear its goal of "wiping Israel off the map". TheJews have learned that passively waiting for death by holocaust is a bad idea, the hard way.
If you think that Hitler was right and the jews should all be killed, or something of the sort, then just say-so directly instead of hiding behind this silly analysis.
bravo! perfectly put. how long would America allow Canada to build a nuke to send tot New York (assuming Canada was a country that vowed to wipe America off the face of the earth)?
you others are definitely anti-semites rooting for Iran to do this.
just one question: what medical or technological advances from Iran are you using today? None! now go look up all of the incredible stuff that has come out of Israel to better all of humanity, and then you can shut up!!
"Hezbollah would be willing to go to war with Israel if Syria were attacked..."
FACT: Sep 2007 – Israel bombed Syria's secret nuclear plant in the desert. Not a peep from Hezbollah , Iran, Russia or China.
Things that make you say 'hmmmmmm'
Thank you Frank, Sgt. John, Navy Corpsman. The U.S. stands for what is right, even with our current spineless president.
Well said IDF Soldier! The US Armed Forces stand beside you, regardless of what our liberal political leadership says.
Hell Yeah we do. Enough is enough. We can't talk to these phyco's. It never works. Let's get it...
Hahaha IDF soldier, Israel supporter, navy corpsman and Sgt John are all the same person. They all came from the same IP address.
Georgia Man, I highly doubt you even know what an IP address is let alone how to look one up. You are a clown.
...sorry Fareed but your best defense is to have a good offense...
الفلسطينيّون في العراق : الجريمة المنسيّة
شبكة المنصور
عبد الكريم بن حميدة / تونس
انخفض عدد الفلسطينيّين في العراق من 34 ألفا إلى 6 آلاف لاجئ فقط في غضون سنوات الاحتلال الأمريكيّ التسع. بعضهم حطّت به رحلة اللجوء في البرازيل، وبعضهم الآخر في الأرجنتين .. وكثير منهم ما زال قابعا في أحد المخيّمات على الحدود مع سوريا أو الأردن..
ضاقت بهم أرض العراق بعد أن كانت لهم ظهيرا وملاذا.. وغدر بهم الشقيق قبل الصديق.. وعجز شرفاء العراق عن حمايتهم، فحملوا حقائب الرحيل.. وشرعوا في سفرة تيه جديدة.
من شتات إلى شتات.. ومن لجوء إلى آخر..
ذلك شأن الفلسطينيّين منذ نكبوا.. وذلك شأنهم منذ انتكسوا..
في العراق المحتلّ يتعرض الفلسطينيّون لسلسلة من الانتهاكات التي تطال حقوقهم المدنيّة والقانونيّة، مثلما يتعرّضون للتضييقات والملاحقات التي تصل حدّ استهداف ممتلكاتهم وأرواحهم.
عماد عبد الرحمن حمّاد آخر الضحايا الفلسطينيّين في العراق.. اعتقلوه.. وعذّبوه.. ثمّ قتلوه.
تهمته الكبرى أنّه.. فلسطينيّ!!!! وعليه أن يدفع ثمن فلسطينيّته على أيدي مغاوير الداخليّة "الأشاوس".
لن يكون عماد الضحيّة الأخيرة لهوس السلطات العراقيّة بالدم العربيّ. وبالتأكيد لن يكون الحلّ في تعهّدات يقطعها الطالباني أو المالكي للسلطة الفلسطينيّة أو المنظّمات الدوليّة.. فلطالما تعهّد هؤلاء وغيرهم بتوفير الحماية للفلسطينيّين.. لكنّهم لم يفعلوا.. ولن يفعلوا.
المشكل بالنسبة إلى الذين هُجّروا من العراق إلى داخل الأراضي السوريّة والأردنيّة أنّهم لا يتمتّعون في مخيّماتهم الجديدة بصفة "لاجئ". وهذا يعني أنّهم ليسوا مسجّلين أو مدرجين على قائمات اللاجئين، فلا الجهات الفلسطينيّة الرسميّة تتحمّل مسؤوليّتهم، ولا المنظّمات الإنسانيّة الدوليّة تعترف بوجودهم القانونيّ وتضمن لهم حقوق اللاجئ مثلما تنصّ عليه المواثيق الدوليّة.
كأنّه عزّ على هذه الجهات أن تمنحهم "شرف" اللجوء!!!
هم "بدون" فلسطين.. لا يطالبون بحقّهم في المواطنة، فذلك أمر بعيد..
إنّهم يطالبون بحقّهم في اللجوء، أي الاعتراف بهم لاجئين مع ما يترتّب عن هذا الاعتراف من بعض حقوق.. تكفل لهم بعض حياة...
السلطة الفلسطينيّة في رام الله، والحكومة الفلسطينيّة في غزّة كلتاهما تتعاملان مع موضوع اللاجئين الفلسطينيّين في العراق وكأنّه شأن يخصّ أصحابه دون سواهم.. فهم المسؤولون عن شتاتهم.. وعن تشرّدهم.
هؤلاء الفلسطينيّون يطالبون فقط بالاعتراف بهم "لاجئين". وهذا يقتضي من سلطتي غزّة ورام الله تمكينهم من الإقامة القانونيّة ومن الوثائق الإداريّة التي تقنّن وجودهم وتمنحه شرعيّة تنأى بهم عن كلّ أشكال الضغط والابتزاز والملاحقة التي تنتهك كرامة المرء وتصادر حرّيّته. ذلك أنّ حماية هؤلاء اللاجئين تُعتبر مسؤوليّة أخلاقيّة إضافة إلى كونها مسؤوليّة سياسيّة وقانونيّة تقع بالأساس على عاتق ممثّلي الفلسطينيّين قبل أيّ طرف آخر.
على أنّ هذا الجهد الوطنيّ الضروريّ لا بدّ أن يرافقه جهد إقليميّ دوليّ يخصّ منظّمة التعاون الإسلاميّ والمفوّضية السامية لشؤون اللاجئين (الأنروا)، ذلك أنّه لا يبدو أفق إنسانيّ واضح للمأساة التي يعاني منها فلسطينيّو العراق. بل نعتقد أنّ الرهان على الأمل في عودة الرشد إلى الحكومة العراقيّة أشبه ما يكون بمطاردة وهْم لأنّ ما يتعرّض له أشقّاؤنا هناك إنّما هو جزء من حملة ممنهجة لتهجير من تبقّى منهم تحت ذرائع شتّى وبأساليب تتفنّن القوّات الأمنيّة الحكوميّة في تطويرها وابتداع الجديد منها كلّ يوم.
على أنّ كلّ هذا لا يجب أن يُغفل دور منظّمات المجتمع المدنيّ ووسائل الإعلام في إثارة هذه القضيّة ومنع اتّساع رقعة معاناة فلسطينيّي العراق، وتسليط الضوء على هذه المأساة حتّى لا ننتقل بعد فوات الأوان من الصمت والغفلة إلى الرثاء والعويل.
مثيرة جدا للاهتمام
What's this Garbage ?
piece of garbage from the dumbster
م وتمنحه شرعيّة تنأى بهم عن كلّ أشكال الضغط والابتزاز والملاحقة التي تنتهك كرامة المرء وتصادر حرّيّته. ذلك أنّ حماية هؤلاء اللاجئين تُعتبر مسؤوليّة أخلاقيّة إضافة إلى كونها مس
Juan Cole your imagination of what will happened if Israel strike Iran getting the best of you, if the allies in world war II would have felt like you Hitler would have ruled the world, the only fear you have to have is Iran with nuclear capability.
actually, WWII, the holocaust, and the creation of the soviet union and Israel all happened exactly because the allies did think like Mr. Cole and let Hitler become the full blown madman that he was. a pre-emptive strike against him would have resulted in a far different world!!!
When asked, the Arabs said "We're with Israel on this one. Go ahead, bomb em."
@ Mr. Cole so, in your mind Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebannon all turned around over night? They have become technological power houses to be reckoned with right? Are you aware 1963, 1967 that Isreal against all odds defied Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt in the south; all far advanced than Isreal at the time. Lets fast forward till now. Yes, it would be a tough war on Isreal no doubt. However, they can handle these 4th century throwbacks no problem. If Isreal, in a hypothetical situation with its back against the wall, will have no problem detonating their Nuclear Bomb. I am certain Iran would be the brunt of that one. You will then see The Middle East bow at the knee to Isreal. So, to any doubters out their thinking Isreal is small and weak you will see a ragging bull; that i am willing to step out and say.
Juan Cole really hates Israel, thus we can only conclude that Israel should do what is best for Israel, regardless of what State Department lapdogs like Cole think about it.
You wrote about the damage of Israeli strikes. The strikes that truly cripple Israel are the general labor union strikes to which the country will be subjecting itself starting tomorrow morning – devastating in morale, economically and socially.
Not to worry. It won't happen. It's called a bluff.
This may be a bluff, but it is also a bluff to make Iran show its hand, and that is a very dangerous thing to do when the smart and most popular move at this point is to fold.
No one needs to attack Israel with nuclear weapons.
Sadly.........Israel is bent on doing a great job of erasing itself from the map.
Even it's own people will pick up and leave.
There is no question that Israel is going to attack Iran's facilities. It is just a matter of time.
Iran has every right to processing it's nuclear fuel for civilian purposes and Israel does not accept that. That is why Iran's offer of a nuclear fuel exchange on it's own soil was rejected. It was a fair offer and Israel made the fatal mistake of turning that offer down. War or peace.....those are the only two choices:)
Welcome to earth...the world u live in
Another liberal professor trying to prevent Israel from defending itself against the Muslims that want to destroy Israel how pathetic
consider the source for this "analysis"...check out Cole's C.V. and past pronouncements..he has been anti-Israel since he could talk..
As a Jew who hates war and loves justice, Israel is a pariah and my fellow American Jews are the enablers for endless war. We can not kill them all and so we must negotiate. There must be a Palestinian homeland. And American Jews must stop hurting our nation over their faith. It is simply treason.
With a established well know desire to wipe Israel off the map, negotiations is only a slow death to Israel. A honorary American Jew that votes!
Now just who is wiping who off the map? Get a crayon and start filling in the lines since Israel became a country.
Any child with a crayon can see the answer. The holy land was supposed to be shared not confiscated.
Thank you, tillzen. You are brave and rational.
Iran has many options that you will learn about when you push the trigger
What are the options?
72 options per resident according to their nutso mullahs. not terrific options i would say.
Yes.....which camel to hide under
Why are people so stupid?
First, talking about it is a warning that provides an opportunity for counter measures to minimize the impact.
Second, why advertize and assume responsibility for the consequences? Why not use a sub, surface in the middle of the ocean and quietly pop a few, then submerge. Who, what, when – no body knows. It could be Russian or Chineese, who knows? It could be someone private, funded to make sure terorists do not get a hold of nucliar weapons.
Are people that dumb and stupid? What are the "big" shots in Washington are being paid for?
Exactly now all these possibilities will more likely be negated than enacted or possible through consequential chaos. Long live Israel!
For the moment, political reasoning is being implemented to make sure no submarines have to pop anything. A little destruction is not overlooked anymore, especially when Iran has one eye on America and their good eye on Israel. Besides, China and Russia have no grudge with Iran in any way, so why would Iran look east instead of west? If Israel hits Iran, we have a war. If America hits Iran, America will have every nation under the United Nations targeting them for extreme nationalism. Hitting Iran is stupid.
Yeah lets listen to a Mexican and a white guy (editors) speculate about Israelie strategy. Brilliant.
Juan Cole, you may be right in your assessment of the fallout that could occur to Israel if Israel decided to take out Iran's nuclear sites and I admire you for your insights! However, you seem to be ignoring the other side of the coin: What happens to Israel 2 or 3 years from now if Iran launches a well-placed nuclear warhead that detonates, say at Ben Gurion Airport? 40% of Israel's population would be incinerated immediately (halfway to Jerusalem in the East, the shores of Tel-Aviv in the West, Herzliah in the North and half way to Beersheva in the South). Jerusalem, Ashdod, Ashkelon and Netanya would experience huge losses of life within a 5-10 year period due to cancer caused by overdoses of radiation poisoning.
Eventually, we would see at the very least a death toll of 60% of Israel's population. That translates to 3 and a half million people – another holocaust for the Jewish people. Simply put, my question is: Can Israel afford NOT to preempt such a plausible outcome? Which scenario is worse, Mr. Cole? I would very much like to hear your response.
Israel is a self-serving war mongering nation.
Israel does not want democracy or peace.
It's long term interests are served by chaos.
It will sacrifice whoever or whatever it can to get the land it needs.
Obama is their last hope. A president who understands that the real democracy of it's neighbors will eventually expose the pariah and force it to confront it's failures.
If only he can hold it together long enough. Clinton tried and ran out of time.
Republicans are poison.
" Iran and Israel replicated on a regional scale the Mutually Assured Destruction of the U.S.-Soviet standoff of an earlier era." The professor needs some education. Iran could care less, they want those 72 Virgins, while Israel fights to survive.
You mean Israel fights to expand beyond it legal and ethical borders.
Ten ways an Israeli strike on Iran could radically weaken the United States? That is the question to ask.
Actually, the right question is: In how many ways a failure to carry out a preventive strike against Iran will weaken Israel.
One: a million or two of Israelis will be killed when Iran starts its nuclear bombardment of Israel. Do you need any more reasons? The ayatollas make no secret of their plans. Israel is a tiny counry, and a single nuclear bomb may semply destroy it. I would much rather see that bomb detonate over Tehran or Qum.
Israel makes no secret of their plans. Take a crayon and start filling in the map since Israel became a country. Any child can see who is wiping whom off the map.
arabs keep attacking, keep losing and keep crying. 1948, 1967 and 1973. like a child i knew that ran headlong into a wall, cried, got up and did it again. when his parents finally took him to a dr they discovered that the child was mentally ill. sound familiar? when egypt finally made peace, they got the sinai back. the palestinians dont want peace, they want to send rockets and bomb school buses and then cry, like you, "Woe is me, woe is me, we sent one rocket and they sent back three". "how unfair!". keep whining and singing the arab mantra and you will remain miserable. "woe is me, woe is me. we are our own worst enemy"
The Iranians love their children too. Yet in your world, Israeli children are worth more.
"Iran and Israel replicated on a regional scale the Mutually Assured Destruction of the U.S.-Soviet standoff of an earlier era" – This suggestion is utter nonsense. The difference between the former Soviet Union and modern day Iran is that the Soviets were never suicidal. The Iranian leadership is,indeed, suicidal, and would welcome a conflagration at the end of which they could envision themselves as the leaders of the surviving Arab/Moslem/Middle East world.
It would be completely rational if Iran wanted a nuclear deterrent. Look at what America, Soviet Union, British have done to Iraq and Afghanistan? They are right between these killing fields. Look at what Israel continues to do to Palestinian land and 'International' Jerusalem ? Take a crayon and start filling in the map since Israel became a country. Any child can see who is actively wiping whom off the map. If, still not proven, but if Iran desired a nuclear weapon it would be for the same reason Israel does. For peaceful purposes, just as the Israeli's claim.
let the idots, Israel and Iran, kill each other. Who cares, i don't,... just don't get us involved in another war,.... ALL this area is screwed up, Israel included. the Israelis like to think they are better, but they are as bad,.... so people of the middle east, screw yourself and leave us alone!!!!!!!
If Iran were to possess nuclear weapons I don't believe we'd see all out war but rather the terrifying meeting of a terrorist, Iranian produced fissionable material and a suitcase bomb capable of taking out Tel Aviv (as an example). It could take years before anyone finds positive proof of its origin.
Get over this peace thing it will never happen.. Israel will control the Holy Land until the end of time! I, a Christian, and most Christians I know, will drop what I am doing and fight along side any Israeli soldier or civilian! The only way peace will happen is if Israel's neighbors just get over the fact Israel is here to stay! The US has your back, I mean its people not our so called "leaders"!
Juan Cole...Professor of HISTORY. What is Juan doing explaining to us what will happen in the future. Israelis will leave Israel????? Clearly Juan has no comprehension of why Israelis stay there now, with rockets and mortars being fired at them. This is nothing new for Israel. Israel just has to reveal that Iran really is developing a Nuclear weapon, as Israel has been trying to tell people for years.
This article is as far off base as you can get.
you are correct. he should be teaching his revisionist version of history in ramallah.
Juan Cole is both Anti-American and Anti-Israel. He is very much Pro-Iran due to his religious faith. Items 1 – 3 he mentions have been happening for decades irregardless of the current situation in the middle east. Not surprising that he uses the term "revenge" in item 4. How about retaliation or more accurate "...defense of.." Items 5 – 7 are already happening...with Iran serving as the head puppet master. Item 8....hate to break it to you, but the EU needs Israel more than Israel needs the EU. Item 9, Egypt, under the rule or the muzlim brotherhood and with influence of Iran, will break all peace agreements with Israel. Item 10, will NEVER happen. Interestingly enough, Cole fails to state that Iran, along with the rest of the muzlim world, has openly and very clearly stated their intentions to wipe Israel off the map. If any other country or community of countries made these statements they would be crucified. so what happens. Does Israel allow a country like iran to get a nuclear weapon or do you take action? I guarantee you that if Mexico had been threatening to wipe the US off the map for decades, was ruled by religious radicals and was close to creating a nuclear weapon and delivery system we would most certainly take strong, decisive action.
you are exactly right. as a U of M grad and lifelong resident of Michigan, I have had the displeasure of following Juan Coles' pro palestinian and anti Israel diatribes for many years. he has remained consistent in his views and in singing the Palestinian mantra: "woe is me, woe is me, everyone but us is responsible for our misery". He has been able with his excellent english vocabulary and subtle semantics to disguise his true agenda, the removal of Israel from the Mideast and the ascendancy of the Palestinian cause. With this article, we no longer have to read between the lines. He advocates no action by Israel assuring the ultimate destruction of israel by Nuclear weapons provided by Iran to its proxies in Lebanon. His attempts to instill fear wont work as he lost his credibility a long time ago.
Why is it whenever anyone says anything deemed negative about Israel, that person is considered anti-semetic or anti-jew? Mr. Cole was outlining what he thought could happen. Frankly, I thought he pointed out the obvious. There was nothing in his writings that stood out as anti-jew or pro-palestinian. So would all you jews out there and pro-Israeli's consider the facts and the true danger of Israel attacking Iran. I have watched anti-sematism rise over the last 5 years. This isn't just because people woke up and decided one day that they didn't lke jews. Rather, it's the actions of Israel and the bullying that they continue to do. Secondly, it's the jews around the world that cry anti-sematism whenever anyone gives an opinion that they disagree with. I'm sue the University of Michigan will get many letters denouncing what Mr. Cole has written and asked that he be fired due to his anti-semitism. It's the jewish way. Shame on you all!
It would be completely rational if Iran wanted a nuclear deterrent. Look at what America, Soviet Union, British have done to Iraq and Afghanistan? They are right between these killing fields. Look at what Israel continues to do to Palestinian land and 'International' Jerusalem ? Take a crayon and start filling in the map since Israel became a country. Any child can see who is actively wiping whom off the map. If, still not proven, but if Iran desired a nuclear weapon it would be for the same reason Israel does. For peaceful purposes, just as the Israeli's claim.
take a crayon and mark the territories the arabs lost in 1948, 1967 and 1973 . mark the sinai returned to egypt when they agreed not to attack again. mark the areas from where rockets are launched by hezbollah and hamas and the areas from where the suicide/homicide bombers come and your coloring book will more accurately reflect the realities of the situation.
I am impressed by you, you did not argue the facts of this matter.
"peaceful purposes"? like the threatened annihilation of Israel? your agenda, like Juan Coles' agenda, is transparent, Israel should not remove the nuclear capabilities of Iran but should wait until they are destroyed by Iran
I am impressed that you did not argue with the facts in this matter. Demagoguery is all you got?
The article is right. Nobody should do nothin. Everybody should hide their heads under the covers while Iran gets the bomb. And if Iran drops it on Israel, it's not our business. If the radiation from the bomb kills everybody in the middle east, so what? If the radiation travels around the world and kills tens of thousands of other people, well it's not our fault just because we are f-ing cowards.
If you look in the internet the Israeli nuclear history you will be amazed of the Jew/Israeli/American and NATO hipocresy on this matter. All these countries know that Israel has over 300 nuclear heads. The constraints on the size of Israel's stockpile include several potential variables, several of which are generic to any nuclear weapons program. The Dimona reactor may have operated an average of between 200 and 300 days annually, and produced approximately 0.9 to 1.0 grams of plutonium for each thermal megawatt day. Israel may have use between 4 and 5 kilograms of plutonium per weapon [5 kilograms is a conservative estimate, and Vanunu reported that Israeli weapons used 4 kg].
The key variable that is specific to Israel is the power level of the reactor, which is reported to be at least 75 MWt and possibly as high as 200 MWt. New high-resolution satellite imagery provides important insight this matter. The imagery of the Dimona nuclear reactor was acquired by the Public Eye Project of the Federation of American Scientists from Space Imaging Corporation's IKONOS satellite. The cooling towers associated with the Dimona reactor are clearly visible and identifiable in satellite imagery. Comparison of recently acquired commercial IKONOS imagery with declassified American CORONA reconnaissance satellite imagery indicates that no new cooling towers were constructed in the years between 1971 and 2000. This strongly suggests that the reactor's power level has not been increased significantly during this period. This would suggest an annual production rate of plutonium of about 20 kilograms.
Based on plausible upper and lower bounds of the operating practices at the reactor, Israel could have thus produced enough plutonium for at least 100 nuclear weapons, but probably not significantly more than 200 weapons.
Some type of non-nuclear test, perhaps a zero yield or implosion test, occurred on 2 November 1966 [possibly at Al-Naqab in the Negev]. There is no evidence that Israel has ever carried out a nuclear test, although many observers speculated that a suspected nuclear explosion in the southern Indian Ocean in 1979 was a joint South African-Israeli test. If Israel attacks Iran Iran should aims all their missiles to the Israeli Nuclear Centre, Dimona.
These points all assume that Israel makes their Strike Public... What if they do it covertly using paid mercenaries from a half dozen countries not associated with Israel. Yes, Iran will blame Israel, but without solid proof, it will just be speculation. Captured mercenaries may be from Africa, India, China, etc..
Since this is a conflict with the government of Iran, and not it's people, bombing them would be ineffective and would anger the middle eastern world. Why not utilize EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) technology to destroy their power grid, communications, transportation, and ability to research and develop nuclear energy. Very few civilians would be injured. Their ability to respond in a military fasion will be greatly reduced except for sites and devices that have hardened against EMP. These could be struck with conventional bunker buster bombs, again keeping civilian injuries to a minimum.
Very few civilians will be affected when most everything related to electricity won't function?
Mutually Assured Destruction, in order to be viable as a deterent, requires two rational actors. Iran is not that. So, from Israel's point of view, relying on MAD really isn't on the table (and rightfully so). Striking Iran is potentially disasterous for all of the reasons mentioned in this article, but all of those potential outcomes put together are still not as bad as Nuclear Winter in Tel Aviv. And that is why Israel will (and should) strike.
NEWSFLASH: A strike on Iran will happen. There is no way that Israel will live in any world in which Iran obtains nuclear weapons. Because if Iran gets nuclear weapons, it could give them to its proxies, Hezbollah and Hamas, not to mention other terrorist organizations such as Al Qaeda, who it has been secretly supporting and giving weapons. Israel would be doing the world a monumental favor if it conducts a successful attack. It has taken out Iraq's nuclear program and Syria's nuclear program. There is no way they are going to let Iran get a pass. Yes, there is likely to be consequences at home in Israel, but it cannot sit by while Iran gets nukes and the potentiality of them giving them to terrorist organizations. Hopefully Israel (and others e.g. U.S.?) can reduce the amount of retaliatory damage by hitting all aspects of Iranian government and military, and not just the nuclear sites.
Stupid leaders make good people do bad things! It would be nice to see some of these so called leaders get on the front line and lead their country into battle! If this was required I believe a lot of wars would never happen. If your beliefs are that a person of a different religious faith is a bad person then that make you a bad person and if everyone respected each other views on life things would be much easier. I think the leaders of Iran and Israel including religious leaders should go into a room with no weapons and figure this out. I think some stupid leaders just need a good butt kicking instead of making good people do bad things!!
Criminal occupation of Philistine by western hindus daubed as Israel in trinity, deception is nothing but colonization by western hindus, out laws labeled as Christians. Read statement of Iran between the line, it will not just be criminal settlers of Philistine but real colonizers will also may be the targeted in their home land in Europe and America by all means.
@ Mohammad you have issues dude and someone should take you in a room but I am sure you wouldn't go because people like you just like to run their piehole.
hindus hind, butt hurt, Yes every one should have an issue with base of illegality defined as hindusim by truth.
What???? What are you talking about??????????????
Aren't you one of the Phedophile's ?
I just love to hear english as a second language used by those that are certain they are convincing us they are smarter than us. Your and your brothers facination with Hindu's is telling. You hate them more than you hate us, and for the same illogical reasoniongs you use against anyone that isn't muslim. Get a clue, the hated ones are not Hindus to the rest of the world, they are YOU who practice such barbarisms that even the Hindus pale.
Only a hindu fool can claim this, hinduism is fundamentally based on filthy hinduism, racism, no worst hate on earth than hinduism and hindus like you ignore it.
US should wipe them all out and take the oil for ourselves, they will wipe each other out at some point anyway
Yes...carpet bomb
Israel is best with cluster bombs that America supplies
At that moment the US would no longer exist. The world will soon attack Israel. Watch and remember that I told you that over 80% of those armies that attack Israel will be destroyed. The rest will retreat. Syria will be rubble. It will not come from the Israel army. Watch closely when it happens. You will not have to wait much longer.
See what happens when you give money to sheepherders?
blood suckers do not give any thing to any one but they hind it in their hinduism, lies.
Why does the media think they need to protect Iran?
When you say Iran, people see a Islamic terrorist loving country, but 35 years ago it was not like this, or go back hundreds or thousands of years, please read about Persia, read about Cyrus the great. don't be ignorant, Iran is not Afganistan or Iraq, Iranian culture is great, Once Persia ruled the world just like the Greeks and the Roman Empire. Iran will not attack anyone if not provoked, also Iranian people will topple this Government really soon, people of Iran are fed up of this Islamic Government, In 1978 the revaluation happened because people wanted democracy, but Khomeini came from Paris and slowly turned Iran into the Islamic Republic, believe me 90 percent of the population hates the mollas (clerics).
I've always said...build a set in Texas that looks like ISRAEL...bring them all to the US...half of all the Jews live in the U S now...Give the Middle East to the Arabs...they will eventually get it any way...Let the Jews have the US...they already have most of our social infrastructure.....We have to divide the world to prevent NUCLEAR WAR....HAVE TO.
Why Texas not part of hindered land India, they are blood relatives of high cast hindus from Pharoahnic Egypt. hindus belong to their hindu brothers in their hinduism.
Now, why would you do that ? How about we give Texas back to Mexico ?
Mexico? hell with hindu, low life spaindiers. Nothing but hindu thief by nature.
what can I tell ya,, Jews are just smarter than the rest of ya all. They are smarter with their money, they get into very high positions like lawyers and doctors and the rest of the world is just jealous of em all. Its as well known fact, the reason for the Jews being persecuted is other people have always been jealous of the Jews for being much better off than they are. You can badger this comment all you want but you know its the truth.
You sure sound that way. Way to go.
and that is why jews will be prosecuted yet again, some one will rise and hit the jews hard, history will repeat itself
Anyone in their right mind that actually believes Iran is going to nuke Israel has got to have rocks in their head. Iran simply loves their terrorist friends in the gaza strip, west bank, lebanon and syria. If Iran were to drop a nuke on Israel, they'd end up wiping out all their friends too. Don't forget, Israel is a small country. A nuclear bomb would take out the entire region. Iran doesn't want to kill their sweetheart Palestinians, or do they?
Good luck with this group Adam, there is no room for rational discourse by many of the repliers.
Do you know how to read or watch the news? Muslims kill muslims by the hundreds, thousands every day....
Always refreshing to have a few politicians or the media actually considering the real long term consequences. Every action has a reaction. America has forgotten look before it leaps lately.
I DON"T CARE just as long as the US doesn't pay for it. We already borrow $6,000,000,000 from the communist chinese each year with interest and give it to Israel. This is there business. If they continue their terrible treatment of the people of the West Bank and Gaza then there will never be peace. That is NOT mine or the US's problem. Let Israel do what ever they want and let Iran do whatever they want.. If Iran gets the bomb so what to the US. They know if they use it we would then wipe them off the face of the earth so there is no way they will use it. The US has a department of DEFESNSE and IRAN does not threaten the US... they do not have a blue water navy, nor missles that can hurt the shores of the US... Not our problem. We are NOT the worlds police force and Israel is NOT the 51st state.
i dunno. between this guy and al Dar's hind of hindu handiwork i'm torn as to which poster on this board is the most at sea. vote early, vote often. no shortage of haters, though. to be expected when Cole is the source. enough for me! off to less rancorous shores.
A lot of delusion going on. The first problem is with the author. He states all these bad things that might happen to Israel if they attempt to stop Iran's weapons program. The author does not consider what happens to Israel if Iran uses its weapons program. A few tactical nukes in the right places will break the back of Israel. So what if Israel retaliates. Iran and the rest of the Arab world have plenty of space and population. My understanding is Israels nukes are tactical only. In summary from the warped heads of these leaders in Iran the loss life of a few million muslims is worth it even if the cost is 5 Arabs from every Jew.
The other item that people forget is the long history of opression on Jews by about everyone. I have formulate a theory that the cause of the oppresion was that unlike other oppressed people's the Jews continued to thrive even when oppressed. Their focus on education and work paid dividends as their skill set was ideal for the industrial revolution. There is nothing more infurating then the person who you oppress doing better then you. Another good example is the burning of Tulsa. Whites in the Jim Crowe south could not stand the possibility of blacks doing better then them.
But back to oppression. Regardless of whether it is right or wrong for the Jews to be in Israel or Palistine they feel they have no where else to go. Where ever they have lived they have been at best persecuted and worse slaughtered. This is it for them. They have no where else to go. They are surronded by despots who have destroyed their own indiginous Jewish populations and treat their own people little better.
It is easy for someone in the United States or Europe to chide Israel's behavior. However, we do not live in a postage stamp of a country surrounded by blood thirsty despots who slaughter their own populations with little thought of the consequences. Funny how were horrified of Syria. Is this no different then what the other despots already do in the past? Assads father already did far worse 30 years ago.
And yet, with all of these risks Israel still should strike Iran. Hasn't the Iranian President publicly declared his intent on "wiping Israel from off the map?" There is even a bigger risk of not attacking, the risk of doing nothing and having Israel's entire nation destroyed.
الاعدامات والاغتيالات مصير متوقع ومحسوب ، مثلما يعرفون ان الموت دفاعا عن الوطن هو خير خاتمة للحياة ، ففي النهاية جميعنا سنموت في يوم ما ولذلك فان" اختيار الموت المشرف هو احد سمات صناع التاريخ والحضارات والتغييرات العظمى في مسار الانسانية . في ضوء ما تقدم فان التهديد بتنفيذ الاعدامات او تنف"ي
I don't believe one word of this! This is just BS.
Actually your I disagree with many of the 10 reasons presented. Iran can be well contained in the gulf with all the military power west and gulf states have. 2nd I don't think the Syrian uprizing will end. We all know that Assad is trash that need to be removed with all necessary means.
Lets say worse case scenario, the entire middle east is pulled into chaos by Isreal attacking Iran...hypothetical, of course. Now, we all assume that the U.S. would be dragged in then as well. My thoughts are what would China do. It has a robust military, it has heavy interests in oil prices (almost as much as the U.S.). Lets say the U.S. managed to stay clear of the turmoil...would China be forced to step in as the newly appointed "world police"?
Nope, not a chance but China and India will fight each other though !
Any repercussions are better then the terrorist supporting regime iran who kill their own people having a nuke.....
Only a terrorist can clim what you claim in your hinduism, If it was not hinduism terrorism of western hindus, Muslim people would not answered in kind. Learn to live with La. the truth absolute, or be ready to vanish, hindus.
You should first get back to elementary school, so as to write in English ! BTW, why do you hate PIGS ? They are so Yummy !
Only a hindu secular, self centered can love a hindu self centered pig, human have nothing to do with it.
Why dont you eat some of that heart medicine in lahore before bashing hindus. I am a pakistani muslim living in US, and I would pick my hindu friends over you, because they have better morals and manners.
We bet on kelly Clarkson and Madonna in the Superbowl now. We bet on the housing market collapsing.
Where can we go and bet on the destruction of Iran?
Bet on Mohammad's head !
hindu Secular, self centered pigs head.
Worst case scenario? U.S. gets involved with this. Best case? Iran and Isreal wipe each other off the map and I never have to hear about either country again.
Of course harrison could also be wiped off the map, which might consider a worst case scenario, but others might not.
If i had to choose between the two. It's a NO BRAINIER. Cya Harrison.
The deaths of over 81,000,000 people would be a best case scenario? I can't decide who is worse, you or Hitler.
Yeah, there will be free supply of Oil !
The reality is that Israel, thanks to the non-stop threats by the Iranian leadership to destroy their country, have no choice by to take to military action to prevent Iran from having nuclear warheads to add to their ballistic missiles which already can reach southern Europe. Whatever downside there might be for Israel and the Israelis to destroy the Iranian war machine now is minimal compared to the existential destruction that Israel will be exposed to if Iran has a number of nuclear tipped missiles. All that Iran needs to do is succeed in getting two through Israel's missile defenses and Israel and its people are dead, as well as the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, and a large number of Jordanians. Of course if some of the Iranian nuclear missiles fall short of Israel and explode, Mecca, Medina and other cities in Saudi Arabia also might be history or if the missiles steer to the left, Cairo and the Aswan dam.
Now wouldn't that be fabulous ! All hostilities will end instantly.
I swear to the ayatollah I will completely obliterate all those who seek injustice on my Iran.
Shhhh...here's a tip, go take the help of Paki's, you would then realize the dream of owning a few nuclear tips...
Learn lesson from Pakistan Nukes, hindus of the west will run away as did hindus of hindered land india after spewing their hinduism to destroy Pakistan.
Even if Israel attacks Iran, they can only guarantee setting back their bomb program a year or two. The only way to guarantee it stops is to conquer and occupy Iran, so ground troops can secure all possible facilities. But I don't see either Israel or the U.S. doing a major ground invasion of Iran. So Israel would have to keep attacking Iran with air strikes every year or so to keep suppressing their bomb program. The point is, even a military solution is only a temporary one.
Wrong. The mistake would be to only attack the nuclear installations. Actually, to have a long lasting effect, it would be necessary to criple the Iranian military machine and all its offensive capabilities, air (planes and missiles), land and sea (navy). What you fail to mention is that a major degradation of the Iranian military and security apparatus would open the gates for an internal revolt by the oppressed Iranian people just as it has been taking place in the Arab states.
I see no need for Israeli ground forces or ground forces from any other countries.
What you are suggesting is an even more ambitious air attack than one confined to nuclear installations–yet even an attack confined to suspected nuclear sites would stretch Israeli air capacities. It's not a matter of hitting a single reactor in Iraq or Syria as before. I would also be wary of counting on the Iranian reaction to an Israeli attack being to turn against their government. Maybe. But an equal possibility is that they might rally around it. I seem to recall talk about how when the U.S. went into Saddam's Iraq, we would be greeted with flowers. Patriotism is a powerful force, and Iran has considerable cultural differences from, say, Libya.
Da Zionist Jooz got thier butts kicked the last time they acted up. You would think they were smart enough to learn from experience. Go for it Israhell and I hope they mop the floor with you this time. You need to lear how to get along with other people and countries and not want everything for yourselves, you Evil Greed and Murder and Torture will be your downfall. The world is tired of your crying and whining and supporting your welfare country.
News reports would indicate that Israel is seeing the window of opportunity closing for an attack on Iran, and the US does not have the political will to attack Iran either, further suggested by the removal of troops in neighboring Iraq and Afghanistan .The reality is – get used to a nuclear powered and nuclear armed Iran. They've already got them.
Israel is a silent evil, the cause of all the problems in the middle east, bunch of land robbers and the U.S. helped back in 1948. Sept 11 would have never happened if the United States were not friends with Israel.
JT – You are a 100%, full, pure, bonafide IDIOT. I take it you side with the terrorists?
Before you spout off, do you have any idea how Israel was obtained? By force with the United States help.
If some foreign power took a piece of the United States how would we react.
You could write this article into the past about Israel attacking Iraqi nuclear power. Only problem is that they did and there is not much that happened to Israel over it.
Juan Cole- Israel-hater and Islamist-apologist extrordanaire. Too many things to pick apart but here are a few: The Lebanon War was not popular in Israel because it didn't go far enough, not because it happened at all. Hezbollah needs to be disarmed sooner or later. The Sunni states will cheer an attack on Iran. MAD does not work when one side espouses a martyrdom and end-times ideology. The Soviets were rational.
Erase the dumb Pig Haters !
So basically, the pathological Jew-hatred among Muslims in the region is so deep and self-destructive that they would act against their own interests and even survival in order to take revenge on Israel for a perceived loss of face.
As for Europeans, that's hardly surprising; they need little excuse to revert to form where Jews are concerned.
Jews are nothing but hindus pretending to be Israelite, Israelite were Hebrews not Jews.
Your fellow pakistani again, go learn to spell first before giving other people history lessons. You deserve mr. 10 percent as your president. Itna uchal raha hay, zardari nay teri ma chodi hay kya. Thanda ho ka beh ja.
So basically all of this could be avoided if Israel stops beating the war drum?
I remember that time Israel vowed to wipe Iran off the map and drive every Muslim into the sea. Oh wait.
Jewish hindus will be lucky if they will be driven in to sea. may be it will be their predicted end.
All I can do is laugh at all this crap. I mean it is pretty serious on one side of the coin but on the other who really cares seriously. Iran wants a nuk@ and they will make one or someone is going to have to make war with them to stop it. Those are the two choices Iran with nuclear weapons or war with Iran take your pick. From the way everything looks and sounds war is coming and it is coming soon. I do not think Iran will use its nukes if it makes them but they might or they might sell them. It is really not a good idea to let them get a nukebomb but going to war is never a good idea as well. What is going to happen is anyone’s guess but it really does look like world war 3 might just be around the corner.
They may already have them, all they need is just an excuse to justify their existence. Go for it hindus and face truth about your hinduism.
You are blind, deaf and mute. Go deal with yearly flooding, earthquakes, wars, load sbedding, inflation and corruption in pskistan before uttering one bad word toward hindus. I have deep respect for my indian friends and you are a jahil. Shameless jahil.
hindu ignorant pretending to be Muslim,
Peace is coming soon.
More info later...
You know today it's Israel, which for some un-apparent reason, is Iran's enemy #1 but tomorrow it can be Russia or France. I am sure divestment campaigns would sound like a cake-walk compared to some real threat from un-touchable Autollahs.
There will be jubilation in the Middle East as has never been seen, when the Islamic superpower Iran destroys the Zionist war machine. The conquering Islamic armies will soon again inhabit Jerusalem, and Israel will exhist no more forever...Allahu Akbar!!!
The single argument spouted by all the war-mongers is simply too weak. You can't launch an illegal attack against a soverign nation because of the leader's publically stated opinion. Yes, i'm referring to the "wipe Israel off the map" comment the Iranian leader allegedly made. There is no proof or logical, tactical argument that Iran, a nation who hasn't attacked anyone in decades (or maybe centuries), would attack Israel either with conventional or nuclear weapons, despite his comment. If he did that, Iran would be pulverised. Everyone knows this. He knows this. The people of both countries involved knows this. Unfortunately for the war-mongers, this is their only argument for attempting to actually justify an attack on Iran, and it uterly fails so badly. Do you think the US president or any other head of state of any other country on planet Earth wouldn't love for some other nation to be destroyed or otherwise removed? By that rational, all countries on Earth should be attacked by each other. Just because the Iranian leader had the balls to voice his opinion in public, do you people actually think he'd initiate the destruction of his own country by attacking Israel? Surely if you have the intelligence enough to use the internet, you can put 2 and 2 together and see all the logic in all this. And why hasn't North Korea been attacked then? Their leadership constantly talks about destroying South Korea. They've even fired off shots at South Korea territory, and sunk a South Korean submarine....where's the response there, then!??
Well said. But the issue with the war mongers is that they want war no matter what, so they will ignore logic. To them, the "he's insane and will attack ISrael the first chance they get" argument is enough. They are experts, you see. =)
Logic doesn't come into play when you're talking about US foreign policy. Israel directs US foreign policy as far as the middle east is concerned. If Israel wants to attack, legally or illegally, the US will be forced to back them on the international stage. If things like logic and compassion and good will directed actions such as these, there would be troops defending the civilian populations in places like Burma, Darfur etc. But in this case, the puppet has no option but to respond to the puppet master, who, for reasons unknown, always holds the strings.
tell me what about the dome of the rock, would they bomb it?
If the war starts , i predict Russia will come to Irans aid ,, and the uS will have to give russia some consessions to stay out.
I think if a POLL of the American people was taken, and the exact question put to them was:: "Should the U. S. go to War with Iran if Iran attacks Israel?" The vote of "NO" from the American people would be very loud. Why is it that pollsters NEVER ask that important question? Because the powers in Washington would know we are against them. Let Israel fight their own battles. We are SICK TO DEATH OF WAR...... we have paid enough of a price over the past ten years. WAR is NOT the answer.
You need to read a little history. If we hadn't bailed out Europe in ww2, you would be saluting the Nazi flag today with no freedoms! Unfortunately, there will always be rotten people in the world like the Muslims and others who make slaves out of women, dont allow freedom of speech, religion, etc and who do not tolerate any other beliefs and who look on Christians as infidels and jews as pigs. Given the slightest chance, they will destroy all others. Sick and sad but true.
Why don't you attack? Then you will find out what will happen next. I like to see the day that you act stupid and do it. All Muslims will pour on your behinds and wipe you off the map as it was promised. We will do it. Just you do your part.
By the way, They are cancer and they should be excised. No one likes to have cancer around. Do you U.S?
The Cancer is now well proven to be muslim extremists of which you seem to fit the bill. Everyone is at fault here, there are no innocent parties, and you should know that above all others. YOUR religion is the one foisting bombing, beheading, stoning, burkhas, world domination and death to all that are not muslims. You could live peacefully in the US for your entire life with out a hair mussed due to religion, but in your stupidity of belief you think that your magical prophet will come back. Get a clue, Jesus isn't coming, Mohammad isn't coming, the 12th Immam isn't coming, but what is is death and destruction due to over belief and over confidence that you will prevail. Maybe there are others that will see to it that you don't, as they have for the last ten years.
The best thing that could happen to both societies is if you stayed in the desert in your tents, and we stayed on our side of the pond.
Only for hindu, out laws and western hindus pretending to be follower of Jesus in trinity, deception.
the cancer are the shiia thugs , Iranians, Hezbollah killers and terrorists, bashar al kalb of Syria. Iraqi nori al haleki, bader and Mahdi army all those terrorists helped by iran and USA. fk you all shiia thugs fk khomini fk ali and hissaain fk you muslims in iran
نفى إرسال مقاتلين لمساعدة نظام الأسد
نصر الله: نتلقى السلاح والمال من إيران
نصر الله: أغنانا الله من إيران عن أي فلس في العالم (الفرنسية)
أقرّ الأمين العام لحزب الله اللبناني حسن نصر الله لأول مرة وصراحة بأن الحزب يتلقى من إيران السلاح والمال بما يغنيه عن مصادر أخرى، نافيا إرسال مقاتلين لمواجهة الاحتجاجات ضد النظام السوري الذي يواجه -حسبه- مؤامرة حيكت بين الغرب و"دول الاعتدال العربي" لإسقاطه.
وفي خطاب ألقاه أمس الثلاثاء عبر شاشة عملاقة أمام حشد من أنصار الحزب في الضاحية الجنوبية بمناسبة المولد النبوي الشريف، قال نصر الله "نتلقى الدعم المعنوي والسياسي والمادي بكل أشكاله الممكنة والمتاحة من الجمهورية الإسلامية في إيران منذ العام 1982".
وأقر نصر الله بأنها أول مرة يكشف فيها بهذه الصراحة عن الموضوع، قائلا "هذه الحقيقة كانت في السابق تقال بشكل جزئي.. كنا نقول لدينا دعم معنوي وسياسي، وعندما نسأل عن الدعم المادي والعسكري نسكت حتى لا نحرج الجمهورية الإسلامية".
وقال "أغنانا الله من إيران عن أي فلس في العالم.. لسنا محتاجين"، مؤكدا أن هذا الدعم يغني الحزب عن أنشطة غير مشروعة تتهمها به الولايات المتحدة كتبييض عائدات تهريب المخدرات.
وأضاف نصر الله أن الدعم الذي تقدمه إيران بلا مقابل وبلا إملاءات، وهم هناك "يدفعون أثمانا باهظة لوقوفهم إلى جانب فلسطين ولبنان".
وتابع أن إيران إذا تعرضت لضربة عسكرية -وهو أمر استبعده- "فنحن نفكر وندرس ماذا نفعل"، نافيا أن يكون النظام الإيراني يحمل مشروع التشيّع.
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حسن نصر الله:
شريحة كبيرة من الناس وداخل الجيش ما زالت تؤيد النظام السوري
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احتجاجات سوريا
وفي خطابه شكر نصر الله أيضا لسوريا دورها في دعم حزبه، وقال إن هناك شريحة كبيرة من الناس وداخل الجيش ما زالت تؤيد النظام السوري، لذا فإن "افتراض أن هذا النظام معزول شعبيا غير صحيح"، نافيا إرسال مقاتلين إلى سوريا للمساعدة في مواجهة الاحتجاجات.
ويواجه نظام بشار الأسد منذ مارس/آذار 2011 احتجاجات قتل فيها أكثر من ستة آلاف مدني حسب المعارضة.
وحسب نصر الله، باتت المعارضة المسلحة تطغى على الاحتجاجات في سوريا، حيث هناك "قرار أميركي إسرائيلي غربي عربي على مستوى دول الاعتدال العربي بإسقاط النظام"، لأن المطلوب في سوريا هو "رأس المقاومة في لبنان وفلسطين".
وانتقد الأمين العام لحزب الله من يشترط من المعارضة السورية لحوار النظام، قائلا "من يحرص على سوريا لا يقول فات الأوان، بل يذهب إلى الحوار دون شروط، لا بشرط تنحي الرئيس".
وتحدث عن اتصالات أجرتها أطراف على علاقة بالمعارضة السورية مع حزبه، حيث أبلغوه بقولهم "لا تقلقوا من النظام البديل.. نتعهد لكم باستمرار دعم المقاومة ووصول السلاح إليها".
Israel bombs Iran Nuke facility. Consequence. Iran will stop shouting about its nuclear program. Ahmadinejad
would be gone. Bashar would be gone. Then what., WORLD PEACE...
Let's face it, Israel is the most peaceful country on earth, if they say they need to do a few harmless bomb strikes then we need to support them. After everything Israel has done for America, it should be America who does the bombing. God bless you Israel, the entire world is behind you.
Israel's government policies aren't smart. Having said that can anyone who is against Israel tell me why they would want to start a war with Iran when they are surrounded by its allies? If Iran had nukes aimed at NY & DC would you all not think they same way those in Israel are? Which is that we should do anything and everything we can to make a strike doesn't happen. The Jews and Israel have always been the scapegoats. Israel is smaller than NJ so leave them alone. What country in world history has given back the land it won in a war? If anyone thinks that Israel should concede land to the "Palestinians" then i guess the US should give back a good part of the southwest to Mexico. Right? If you people haven't noticed by now, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan don't like the Palestinians, nor want them in their countries.
I dont know about a weakened Israel (nothing new in this sort of prediction) but an Israeli land and airstrike is ready and imminent.
Iran would be devastated.
There is now way Iran could fight the Israelis on their own. Iran cant even fight and win a simple war with Iraq. Iranian battalions are still under the same leadership of chaotic and clueless commanders.
I think it's about time America ups it's aid to Israel, they only gave $3 Billion last year. Israel is a threatened everyday by people who hate them for no reason other than Anti-Semitism. Cmon America, $30 or $40 Billion a year ought to help them defend themselves a little better.
I dont know about a weakened Israel (nothing new in this sort of prediction) but an Israeli land and airstrike is ready and imminent.
Iran would be devastated.
There is NO WAY Iran can fight the Israelis on their own. Iran cant even fight and win a simple war with Iraq. Iranian battalions are still under the same leadership of chaotic and clueless commanders.
We, the U.S., have the most powerful military on Earth, and yet we found it somehow difficult to win "a simple war with Iraq," so saying that Iran could not do so either isn't very helpful to this analysis. I don't think Iran can win over Israel militarily. However, I also don't think Israel can win over Iran militarily. The IDF is a world-class force, but it is set up for defense against its immediate neighbors, not theater power projection. The point of this article is not that Israel shouldn't defend itself, but that it shouldn't try to defend itself with actions that actually make its position worse. In other words, this is a pro-Israel article.
If you think Iran doesn't have the capabilities of shooting down Israeli jets with their own jets and anti-aircraft technologies (i'm not just talking Howitzers, but modern Surface to Air missle systems etc), then you need to ditch that tin foil hat.
" A world without America is possible". A direct quote from Iran's leaders! We know what they say about Israel every other week. They pursue nukes, launch test missiles etc. etc... the late 1930's another country was taking similar actions of it's day. If anyone doesn't think we shouldn't do something before it's too late, they are either s fool, have their head in the clouds or somewhere else, or have a death wish.
You make a great point, honestly I'm more concerned with actions of countries than words. Words can incite people, actions can be interpreted in many different ways.
Right on Roy! Most of these clowns who are against hitting Iran couldn't even find Iran on the globe, or tell you what countries we fought against in WW2.
America is Broke and AIPAC controls the congress. Going into yet another war of aggression would be foolhardy at best.
The scary part to me is when you give people who are willing to commit suicide a nuclear bomb, you are risking the lives of millions of people. Israel does not want a nuclear Iran the same way the US did not want Cuba with nukes. They will do what it takes to prevent nukes in the hands of suicidal radicals that believe killing themselves is a means to an end. Would you give nukes to Hitler? The region is too unstable to introduce weapons of mass destruction.
I agree a 100%, you the world can't allow a nuclear Iran. Even though it's technically against the law for Israel to have weapons of mass destruction, it is imperative for their survival that they keep them, which no one can argue with. Iran has no business having them and even if they feel threatened it is because their own doings and doesn't justify them having them.
Wish of a secular self centered hindu,like a criminal wishing law enforcement not to have weapons to keep hindus in line, western jackals must be kept in check for good of La. truth abiding Muslims.
Israel is not above the law. If they would stop their state terrorism they might not need all their nukes. No more US tax dollars for Apartheid Israel.
It is inconceivable that Iran would eventually develop a nuclear armed missle. They are miles away from achieving that.
The real fear is this: Iran is planning to make small laptop size nuclear bomb devices and supply them to terrorists.
There is strong conclusive evidence to show that Iran supplied road bombs to Iraqi militants.
Iran was recently caught receiving over 6000 electronics for making such road bombs. The exporters are under arrest and now under US custody, pending further intensive investigations.
Out of these 6000, only 16 of these electronic devices were confirmed to be used in Iraq against allied forces. What is Iran doing with the rest?
The fear of Iran supporting terrorists has lessened somewhat because of the Arab Uprising and many terrorist groups have gone underground. These terrorirst used to get their funding from states like Syra, Libya and Iran. But they will be back.
How come the U.S. hasn't invaded Pakistan then, Einstein?
We are essentially at war with Pakistan. We are using drones to murder innocent Pakistanis.
The Muslims are eager to meet Allah. We should arrange the meeting.
hear hear!!
Look at it this way: If we stopped Mexicans from sneaking across the border to the U.S., and Mexico started lobbing rockets at the San Diego, how long do you think it would take before Tijuana would no longer exist?
Do some more research on the history of the Middle East. You could them make a better analogy.
America is not stealing land from Tijuana, silly. Also, the US is not holding Tijuana hostage keeping its people from fishing in their own waters or flying in their own skies. Israel is a terrorist state that has no respect for lives that are not Jewish.
If Cuba tried to get nuclear weapons (Cuban missile crisis), would we let that happen? No f**ckin' way!
By the way, the author of this article, Juan Cole, is a strong critic of Israel's foreign and military policy and its treatment of Palestinians. Look him up. He's not interested in Israel's security.
Criminal Jews do not deserve any security, only a hindu can be worried about his hindu Jewish brother in his hinduism.
Hey bloated pig! The Jewish and Hindu missiles will barbecue you and your kind very soon. You have toy handpainted cardboards for missiles which you take out on stupid processions and you think they will fly off their butt anytime you want. You will find out when you stick a cigerette lighter underneath it and it says "dud". LOL
nor does the Corrupt News Network (CNN) disclose this. nor does the little warped jew-baiter himself...guys like this get a voice because lefty a** holes control the world.
One way allowing Iran to have a nuclear bomb could radically weaken Israel – most of it's citizens would be dead
This analysis seems to be inspired by leading anti-Semites like (distinguished!) Prof. Mohammed Ayoob of University of Michigan, and/or CNN's Mr.Fareed Zakaria, or Dean ObeidALLAH, or Imam Rauf or Ethan Casey all of whom want to see the downfall of Israel and the West.
Amit-Atlanta-USA
No one in his right mind can see a hindu Jew to keep his hindu terrorism continue against innocent people but a hindu involved in their hinduism.
Someone named Mohammed and the others you mentioned are not likely to be anti-semites. They are semitic.
Google the word and get definition please.
it is amazing that after all these years, morons like you still insist that there is a semitic connection here. the word "anti-semitic" was devised, created, invented by a german proto-nazi to describe his hatred of jews, not his hatred of middle eastern extraction types. hitler described himself as an anti-semite while he was drinking tea with the mufti and planning the gas chambers...stop spewing your pathetic ignorance...googling something shows what a shallow moron you reall are.
Mohammad means spirit of truth and a hindu has no knowledge of, truth for a hindu is in HEM, the cannabis, brothers of hindu Jews pretending to be Israelite.
Hitler was a hindu by heritage, blood brother of hindu Maggie, trickster Jews, Swastika and cross qre of Egyptian hindus, sign of hinuism, racism, practiced by hindus of Egyptians and Persian origin pretending to be Israelite.
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) Auburn, Washington State.
Jimi Hendrix's grave is also just a few blocks away.
So what the author is saying is if Israel attempts to do anything about Iran's hostile development of Nuclear warheads then Hezbollah will use stockpiled chemical weapons against Israel and all the dictators from Nasrallah to Assad will rejoice. Is the author worried about these lovely regimes having weapons of mass destruction and spewing rhetoric about how they will use them?
Israel cannot depend on anybody to protect her. She must destroy Iran's nuke capability or else face a nation (based on the Koran) determination to kill every Jew. Funny thing, though – Turkey will emerge as the peace maker btw the Sunni & Shiate. All will fall under Israel's military might – Dont forget the 6 day war. The US is still in Afghanistan after 10 yrs.
Based on what part of Koran? That's utter nonsense. The book of Islam isn't much different than the book of Christianity, there is the issue with interpretation when it comes to a portion of Muslims. Persians and Arabs live a twisted "version" of religion which has nothing to do with what their holy book asks. The rest of the Muslim world (majority) live a much more peaceful version for that reason. Do not fall for the propaganda you hear, or please at least do not spread it.
Suggest you read the Koran first & see for yourself why ALL muslims in the Middle East want the Jews out. So don't mouth off something that you haven't seen or experienced. Its not an intellectual excercise!
Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176: Narrated by 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'" Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177: Narrated by Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Qur'an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
Qur'an 4:089: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
muslim liar...put them to sleep with lies, drink their blood while they snooze.
Muslims are not all running around killing Jews. Get a grip.
If you want to know about Islam, try mocking Mohd
that is true. they only kill jews when they can. sometimes they miss. sometimes the jew gets them first. after the islamic fiend is finished with the jews, he will be coming for you my little presbyterian friend.
Exactly! Just like not all Jews are stealing land or murdering Palestinian civilians. Just like not all Christians believe in the End Days work of Science Fiction.
It baffles me how we in America are so quick to promote an attack on Iran when the Israeli's themselves are still having a debate on the issue. Tamir Pardo, head of the Mossad, doesn't believe that a nuclear Iran is an existential threat to Israel. Yet we in America continue to tout this horn that a nuclear iran is the end to israel. Wake up people, they are war mongering. Israel has both the means and weaponry to take care of herself and not one Israeli troop has fought for the US. Don't fall for the rhetoric, say no to wars and yes to posterity.
Its easy to be Dr. Strange Love when one is well removed from war.
It's the Jewish media propagating and preparing Americans for a 3rd world war and of course the right wing fanatical Christians want to make their prophecies come true. It's hard to believe that in 2012 when the assumption would be that American people are smart enough looking at the past wars and history would not be on the same path of religious wars. But it is also true that history repeats itself. Dumb but true.
It is called propaganda. At least in the days of Pravda the Russians knew that most of the text in it was lies proposed by the State. In the USA today, many news sources have similar origins but many of us in America think that it is true and blindly believe the stories. That is why most stories paint Israel as a democracy instead of the Apartheid state that it really is.
Well.... War is an old fashion word. We are living in the 21st century, we have enthrallment on living rather destroying, and only the traditional refused Ass still concentrates on those stupid words. Save the Earth from the Evil eyes.
The creation of Israel was a good idea back in the 40s, especially in response to the unimaginable brutality of the holocaust. At the time of its creation, Judeo-Christian connections to U.S power corridors was stronger.
However, looking at a region that will soon to have another nuclear power, it will be safer for all humanity that Israel be dissolved or start preparing for that day. Just what it takes to perpetuate the existence of Israel goes against all conventions of human rights such as state controlling who breeds with who....etc. It is a joke that will not last.
The only real solution to lasting peace in the Middle East is to make Jerusalem and selected areas Internationally owned and managed.
The only realistic solution to lasting peace in the Middle East is to make Jerusalem and selected areas Internationally owned and managed. Why won't it happen? Because Israel wants the bragging rights to the Holy Land.
Israel and its minions threaten and bribe our congressmen. They use the same tax dollars we send them each year to bribe our corrupt leaders. That is how they get their way with the US.
The biggest threat to world peace is Israel and its facilitator, the good old USA.
you are not a jew. you are not a mensch. you are callow, traitor, a coward, a liar and a simpleton who thinks by sucking up you will be spared. Phe.
Personal attacks will not change the truth. Israel is a threat to world peace.
The hate expressed in the replies is disturbing, but not any more so than the bad grammar and worse logic in Cole's opinion piece.
it amazes me that everyone (almost everyone) on here has been educated beyond their intelligence! hasnt it occurred to anyone that there has been really no peace in the middle east for thousands of years? whether its been countries, empires, religions, tribes,everyone...that whole area is not happy unless they are fighting! if they have no one else to fight, they fight amongst themselves! if its been that way for thousands of years, what makes everyone think its gonna change any time soon? thats why there are dictators unfortunately, to keep their thumb on all the nutjobs!
http://focusonjerusalem.com/iraninbibleprophecy.html
The bottom line is that Israelis and Jews want to end the middle east as we know it. They want to change the structure to satisfy it's needs. They want to be the only power left with hundreds of nuclear bombs for deterrence but want to make sure no one else has a balancing power against it's military might. In addition they want to destroy any and all balancing power at any cost including a nuclear war which may cost Israel's own survival. It seems to me that the nation of Israel is and it's media propagating this strategy is not only foolish but also dangerously messing with the security of the United States and Europe's interests through out the middle east. The trade and dependence that Europe and US conducts in that part of the world is a vital life line for all the nations of the world. This will be a crazy and stupid act if Israel decides to attack Iran preemptively. Israel has already acted illegally but killing several Iranian scientists by convert spies network. There are several resolutions against Israel's mischief in the United nations but US always come to defend it by veto. But when they become outrage when Russia and China defend it's interest by veto.
"Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration." —Frank Herbert, Dune
So much paranoia. And the paranoia will lead exactly to the thing you wish to avoid . . .
Israel has been and will continue to be a threat to the middle eat of a nuclear disastrous war and the danger to millions of lives. Since the day Israel was created by the western powers there has never been a peace and will never be peace. Attacking Iran will be like messing with the hornets nest.
WW3
oh please radicalize moslems? They are born natural dogs. deccendants of Ishmail who should have been aborted. The entire history would have been better! a perecet birth control for muslims is a bomb. Someone shold make the world a better place and rid us of this abomination of Islam and muslims
second the motion.
Hitler and his buddies had the same idea. Remember that little thing called WWII? Millions of Roma, Europeans, Africans, and others died because of crazy ideas like yours.
Fiine example of hindus height, like his pot head hindu sanatan, shaman high on his cannabis of revelation Hem.
"If Israel by your account is a super power, give me one example of one terrorist organization that they support, show me a country on the map that they are meddling in that country. Tell me of one incident that Israel has hijacked a plane, car bombed a building, bomb strapped homicide bombers to blow buses, cafes,.....and kill innocent people"
@mellow..The Israelis have been meddling in Lebanon for quite some time along with their refusal to permit the palestinians to to have a homeland, it that really any different than meddling in a country? Are you aware that the first airline hijacking in the Middle East was done by Israeli agents? Look it up. Bombed buildings? How about the Hotel David, look it up. Kill innocent people? In their last attack on Gaza and Israeli sniper shot a 12 year old girl who was merely seeking shelter, they used phospherous weapons against a civlian population killing many innocent men, women and children. During the 1948 war there was a policy of ethnic cleansing by Israel against the Palestinian population as well as the massacre of un-armed men in some of the villages in order to scare the rest to leave. I think Israel has shown more than once that it is no less capable of crimes against humanity than any other country and that it will support terrorism when it feels necessary.
Israeli agents planted bombs in Egypt and blamed it on others. It think it is called the Lebone affair. I am not sure about the spelling. Go and read, the information is free and available. Israel has been involved in state terrorism since its inception.
There is no use talking to radical Palestinians, Arabs or other hot-headed young men who chant slogans, espouse propaganda, and call for the destruction of the Jews in Israel. I'm no Jew, just a simple Texan with enough education and experience to understand that nothing good will come from the Arabs until their men shed their emotional childishness, learn to respect their women and emancipate them from the dark age mentality from which they enslave them. Without emotional balance and reason, and the Arabs, collectively, have none, there can be no peace.
I dont get it, its written in the Torah, Quran and New Testament. Israel belongs to the Hebrew people . It even sais it in the QURAN !!!! I dont understand do you not even know your own religion?
you have for the most part all missed the point entirely. iran is not run by sane people who assess pragmatically before they act. it is run by psychotics who believe their god can kick your god's butt and should do so. iran is willing to give nuclear material to anyone who would use it against israel or the u.s....iran needs to be stopped because they don't respond to the notion of MAD...they think destruction gets them to heaven faster...i'm sorry you don't understand this because most of you morons are allowed to vote just like regular people and are so easily swayed by your own self-delusions that you will walk off a cliff to prove that your god will save you. if you would just walk, that would be fine. but you take others with you and that's the problem. it is appeasers who must be stopped. i hope the bu.s.and israel turn iran into a glass parking lot asap...i hope the fbi arrests all shmucks who support rag head terrorists. I hope the fbi arrests all "sovereiign citizens who want to shoot cops. i hope the fbi arrests all jewish newspaper editors who call for the death of the president. i hope the fbi infiltrates and destroys idiot militia movements. i hope you people will all some day come to your senses.
And what exactly does the author suggest Israel do while the lunatic ahmadinedjan keeps promising to annihilate Israel and all Jews? Do you think for a moment that Israel will just let itself be destroyed by these dress wearing thugs?
Israel has an ENEMY in the White House in the form of obama. I'm sure he would celebrate the destruction of Israel along with the rest of his cronies.
Israel is ALONE and Israelis are all on their own once again...and the world doesn't give a hoot about that...but just remember that this is not the 1940s when the world allowed hitler to exterminate 6 million Jews with not as much as a protest. My own country turned back ships filled with german Jews and did not allow them to dock. All these Jews went to a certain death in the concentration camps. NOW, we have Israel and a powerful and rich world Jewish community who will see to it that for every Jew harmed or killed...a hundred arabs will die...the author should think about that!!!!
It is funny that when the Zionist do not get everything they want, they call our president their enemy. Israel is not above the law. Israel is not more important than Lebanon or Iran.
I think israel should stay calm, not distroy world peace, any mistake could bring very bad news for world,s economy.iron
can never attack israel. but if israel does that, will bring its enemies together, which has not been possible so far. most price will be paid by israel. so far most of muslim countries have been away from iron, this will work in faver of only iron
Good point.
World peace????????????????? What color is the sky in your world????????????????
It is fascinating that the people, the media, and what have you know what the state of Israel will do. I am sure the people that run the state of Israel are not entirely sure of what they'll do.
It reminds me of a visit to NYC OTB parlor years ago. Many people in the betting parlor seemed to know what the jockey's plan was for a horse. Is he going to exercise the horse? Is he going for the win? They would bet accordingly. Well know this. Israel will do what Israel will do.. The world will know what Israel will do AFTER it is done. Anybody in the comments area ever been up against the wall, life or death? You do what you have to do. SURVIVAL IS JOB # 1. God said to Abraham, "I am that I am". Case closed.
1. ذكرت في الحلقة السابقة ( السادسة ) اطمئناني لإخواني المترجمين العاملين في القواعد العسكرية الأمريكية الذين اتصلوا بي ليعنوا في رسائلهم توبتهم الى الله والوطن والشعب والذين تم تسميتهم بالأرقام بدلا من أسمائهم الحقيقية حرصا على أمنهم وحياتهم من قوات الاحتلال الأمريكي , وعاهدتهم بأنني سأقوم بتحويل أسمائهم والمؤشرة إزاء كل منهم أرقامهم السرية الى الجهات الخاصة المتعاونة مع المقاومة العراقية وهم كل من :
أ. المترجم التائب رقم ( 10) محافظة نينوى .
ب. المترجم التائب رقم ( 15 ) محافظة بابل .
ج. المترجم التائب رقم ( 20 ) محافظة التأميم .
د. المترجم التائب رقم ( 50 ) محافظة بغداد .
هـ. المترجمة التائبة رقم ( 75 ) محافظة بغداد .
و. المترجمة التائبة رقم ( 100 ) محافظة بغداد .
ز. المترجم التائب رقم ( 125 ) محافظة صلاح الدين .
2. أرسل لي المترجم رقم ( 50 ) من محافظة بغداد معلومات خطيرة عن عملاء مزدوجين للقوات الأمريكية والإيرانية وموثقة بالوثائق والصور التي تثبت ذلك وهم :
أ. العميل ( حسن سعيد حسن الكليدار ) مهنته ضابط شرطة متقاعد – محكوم سابق في زمن النظام السابق بتهمة مخلة بالشرف ( الرشوة والاختلاس ) لمدة سنين في سجن أبو غريب أثناء حكم النظام السابق .
عمله الحالي – عميل مزدوج للاستخبارات الأمريكية والإيرانية .ويكلف الى الآن بمهمات استخباراتي داخل بغداد وخارجها وخارج العراق
عنوانه : يسكن بغداد – الجهاد حي الأطباء
ب. العميل ( أمرو ألقيس حسن سعيد الكليدار ) قضى حياته في السرقة والنصب والاحتيال – هارب من الخدمة العسكرية أيام النظام السابق – خدم كجندي في الجيش الأمريكي في فرقة الخيالة الثالثة – كان من ضمن الفرقة القتالية التي اقتحمت الفلوجة – أنتسب الى الجيش الأمريكي عام 2003 والى الآن .
يعمل حاليا ضمن الاستخبارات الأمريكية في خدمة الجيش الأمريكي – عميل مزدوج للاستخبارات الأمريكية والإيرانية – ويكلف الى الآن بمهمات استخباراتية وقتالية داخل بغداد وخارجها وخارج العراق .
- لديه ورشة تبريد لتغطية أعماله الإجرامية
-عنوانه : يسكن بغداد – الجهاد حي الأطباء.
ج. العميل ( مروان حسن سعيد حسن الكليدار ) خدم مترجم لقوات الاحتلال الأمريكي – أنتسب عن طريق أبوه ( حسن سعيد حسن الكليدار ) الى الاستخبارات الأمريكية عام 2004 – والآن منتسب الى الاستخبارات الأمريكية
– يسكن بغداد – الجهاد حي الأطباء .
د. صديق عائلة حسن سعيد حسن الكليدار العميل المزدوج ( مازن التميمي ) يسكن مدينة السماوة ويعمل معهم ويرافقه في كل شي وهو احد أعضاء المجلس الأعلى للثورة الإسلامية (فيلق بدر)
د. صهر امرؤ ألقيس أي زوج بنت حسن سعيد واسمه العميل ( إبراهيم حربي إبراهيم القيسي ) وهو نائب ضابط سابق في الجيش العراقي ويعمل الآن مع القوات الأمريكية وقد نسبته القوات الأمريكية لحماية امن السفارة الألمانية وبعدها عمل في المنطقة الخضراء وكان يركب سيارة كولف حمراء .
عنوانه : منطقة المنصور حاليا .
3. إليكم الوثائق الموثقة بالصور أدناه للعملاء الجواسيس أعلاه ومعهم الكثير من العملاء العراقيين الذين باعوا دينهم وشرفهم للمحتل الكافر الأجنبي من الضباط والجنود الذين خدموا الاحتلال الأمريكي راجيا من أبناء العراق النشامى وفي حالة معرفة كل من يظهر في هذه الصور ان يزود المقاومة العراقية بأسمائهم ومناطق سكناهم او تزويد الشبكات والمواقع التي ستنشر هذه الاعترافات بأسمائهم وعناوين سكناهم وأية معلومات أخرى يعرفونها عنهم , والوثائق هي :
• اسمه ( أمرو ألقيس حسن سعيد الكليدار ) قضى حياته في السرقة والنصب والاحتيال – هارب من الخدمة العسكرية أيام النظام السابق .
• خدم كجندي في الجيش الأمريكي في فرقة الخيالة الثالثة
• كان من ضمن الفرقة القتالية التي اقتحمت الفلوجة
• أنتسب الى الجيش الأمريكي عام 2003.
• يعمل حاليا ضمن الاستخبارات الأمريكية في خدمة الجيش الأمريكي .
• عميل مزدوج للاستخبارات الأمريكية والإيرانية – ويكلف الآن بمهمات استخباراتية وقتالية داخل بغداد وخارجها وخارج العراق .
• لديه ورشة تبريد في منطقة المنصور لتغطية أعماله الإجرامية .
• يسكن بغداد – الجهاد حي الأطباء.
والعميل الجاسوس : امرؤ ألقيس حسن سعيد حسن الكليدار : هو من مدينة سامراء ومن عائلة الكليدار التي تسكن المدينة وهي عائلة مشهورة بالالتزام الديني والتقيد بالعادات والتقاليد , نشأت هذا العميل في بغداد , والده شرطي واسمه حسن وهو معروف بسقوطه الأخلاقي وانحرافه وقد حكم عليه سابقا بالسجن (10)سنوات بتهمة الاغتصاب والرشوة وطرد من الخدمة .
Thank's God For Support Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!
ISRAEL IS ETERNAL AND WE PREFER A WEAKED ISRAEL THAT A NUCLEAR IRAN BUT IT WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE WE ARE ISRAEL IN ALL AMERICA CONTINENT WE BELIVE IN ISRAEL "GOD" AND WE WILL FIGHT WHIT ISRAEL TOGETHER BECAUSE WE ARE ISRAEL AND IN "GOD" WE TRUST,ISRAEL THIS TIME WILL REACH THR TOP OF SUPREMACY WE JUST NEED TO PRAY TO "GOD" AS IN THE OLD TIMES....ISRAEL IS FOREVER LIKE IT OR NOT AND YOU WILL SEE IT FROM HELL OR MAYBE SOMEWHERE ELSE.........JEHOVAH I M PRAY TO YOU HOLY SPIRIT AND THE POWER AND LOVE YOU HAVE FOR ISRAEL THAT NOT AN ENEMY WILL TOUCH ISRAEL AND PROTECT WHIT YOUR HOLY SPIRIT THIS WONDERFUL LAND AND THE PEOPLE PLEASE "GOD" WE TRUST YOU AND WHIT YOUR OWN HAND REMOVE HIS ENEMIGOS FOREVER...THE ALL GLORY IS FOR YOU SAINT FATHER.I THANK YOU AND GLORIFICO TU NOMBRE WHIT YOUR SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,THANK'S LOVING "GOD".
Hebrew do not exist any more but hindu Jews of Egyptian and Persian origin, only a hindu can follow them in their place of hell and you are a hindu one of them believer of filthy hinduism, racism. A hindu gentile dog on leash of a hindu Jew has no place among human.
Apartheid Israel's days are numbered. If it attacks Iran, who know what will happen. I do think that they will be getting overnight packages from Hezbollah to the North. What goes around, comes around.
An excellent and credible analysis. I hope that Europe, Israel, and the U.S. are paying attention to this article. Better yet, tht the best and only way to dter Iran and other startes (such as Saudi Arabia) from pursuing nukes is to admit to knowing of decades of Israels' illegal nukes and issuing an ultimatum to Israel to vouluntarily destroy those weapons under international inspection or have the U.S. and Europe take them by force.
America is the root of all terror. America has invaded sixty countries since world war 2. In 1953 America overthrow Iran's democratic government and installed a brutal dictator which killed hundreds and thousands of Irani people. Then in Iran-Iraq war America supported Suddam and killed hundreds of thousands of Irani people. In 2003 America invaded Iraq and killed 1,000,000+ innocent Iraqi people and displaced 4,000,000+ Iraqi people.
any references for all that rhetoric?
The worst case scenario is the US being involved.
The second-most BAD scenario is Israel attacking Iran.
The US is overwhelmingly equipped to devastatingly defend itself against any absurd Iranian attempt to attack the US, which I believe is highly unlikely. The US can snuff Iran like a bug. Iran knows this.
Time is against the mullahs of Iran. Let the Iranian people change their own government and join the modern world. It will happen if we don't muck it up.
Wow such a flurry of torrents towards Shia's and Jews, by some Sunni idiots I guess.
I think there should be war and the balance of power must change as the current one (USA) is not working, the god damn evangilicals are the equivalents of the hizbollah and the the worst are the ashkanazis, they need to be replaced by civic minded christians.
I guess as they say the crusade will be complete by then.
very hindu way of a hindu, what shia or sunis have to do with hindu Jews or their hinduism criminality, keep filth of hinduisms, racism, where it belongs, with hindus.
Get educated! hindus are not jews and jews are not hindus! Pakistan will always be backward country, education is key for you to be knowledgeable !
Sign of hinduism, ignorance, take pill of truth to be treated for you sickness of hinduism, ignorance.
Muslims are the most violent people on this planet, they will kill anyone for the sake of religion. In my opinion there DNA is directly linked to being a Terrorist!
My parents taught me tor respect all life. Your parents gave you sweets everytime a Jew is killed and that is why your mouth is so rotten. Do not fret, go to the dentist and choose new teeth.
The only thing the Arabs understand is the heavy hand, the only thing they are any good at is killing each other. they have achieved nothing else in the last 100 years and beyond.
I see your point. The fact that we have invaded so many countries is a worthy historical note in our favor.
Listen Abdul, there is no proud American in your DNA so stop pretending. Lying is in your genetical makeup.
"or even the reactor at Dimona with modified Chinese silkworms"
Did I miss something here? Target a reactor with modified Chinese silkworms?
Did the Chinese put warheads on the little fellas or what?
Anyone that thinks that Israel is an apartheid state obviously doesn't know what that means. If it's so bad why do so many Arabs choose to live there. What about Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan's dislike of the Palestinians. They treat them a lot worse than Israel. When Israel has targeted the Palestinians in retaliation for suicide bombings, they drop leaflets to warn the people of the impending attack in hopes that the innocent will be spared. Israel won the land in a war in '67 , why should they give it to these people? At the very least they should just keep the territories the way they are.
President Carter and Archbishop Desmond Tutu can not both be wrong. Israel is in fact an Apartheid State. Jews are treated as first class people. Non-Jews who marry Israeli Citizens can not even live with their spouses in Israel.
Arabs live in their home land, if Jewish hinduism , racism is so good why they do not live their hindu blood relatives in Germany. Go back to hind, hell, hindu Jew belong to with their hinduism, racism. No one will stop them.
an iran with nukes multipies these questions by a million , so the alternative is they must strike regardless of the result of retaliation by iran on a conventional level.
Carter and Desmond are wrong, if you wanna believe what racists say go ahead "Angry-Jew", but if you would take the time to acquire some knowledge without your anti-israel feelings, you would see it isn't apartheid state. Also, look up the marriage laws, they can marry and if they can't its not because of Jewish law
Word mentally blind is definition of hindus ignorant like you. Blinded by hindu soul, filthy desire and unable to see truth absolute like animals.
The facts speak for themselves. Every one but you believe that both of those gentlemen are not racists. The point is that Israel is in fact an Apartheid state that favors Jews. More importantly, that also makes Israel a theocracy and not a democracy.
AngryJew is, in fact, Abdul the tent maker. You would be surprised at how many people believe that certain Muslims are iyrants, bullies, liars... The only one who lives in Neverland is you along with all the BAD boys.
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Nothing you say is trustworthy.
As I told you before, your education is deeply lacking. You could make a few bucks by suing the Ministry of Education in Iran.
i get what your saying, but look what happened in the 1930s/early 40s, the Jews had no where to go and 6M were killed as a result. Creating Israel may have also created problems, but the Israelis are not the ones starting the bloodshed, the country is so small, why can't they just be left alone. They Muslims have so much wasted land, then want the land the Jews developed. That really seems fair for the Jews to build and cultivate and the Muslims to rip the benefits.
No one's fault but their own, They joined Egyptian and Persian hindus to please their hindu soul,desire. They do not deserve any sympathies but wrath of truth absolute they denied. They asked for it and they deserve what they seek in their hinduism, transgration, punishment for their hinduism, denial of truth.
If having a reverence for all life is considered Hindu, then I am Hindu.
It would be nice to have CNN actually publish, say, an Israeli political analysis of the attack on Iran to retard or destroy its nuclear weapons program(s). Why we have Juan Cole writing this when there are people in Israel who are SPECIALISTS on Iran, possible scenarios of a post-attack nature, etc.. is beyond me.
What was not mentioned is the possible POSITIVE scenarios of a successful attack on Iran's nuclear programs:
1) Israel makes the first and possibly second strikes. The US carriers off the coast get attacked by the rabid Persians, and fire back, toasting the Iranian Air Force and missiles.
2) Hizbollah is not stupid enough to risk a second humiliation and stays out of it.
3) the Muslim Brotherhood does in fact negate the Camp David Peace Accords.. but so what? They never really had a full and meaningful peace with Israel anyway. "Peace" agreement for Arabs in the Middle East are simply stalling techniques to re-arm until one is strong enough to attack again. Israel was never laboring under and delusions with respect to Egypt.
4) Hammas and Hizbullah will lose a lot of their Iranian funding.
5) Saudi and the rest of OPEC will pick up the slack and the price of oil will NOT skyrocket just because Iran's oil will be off the market.
6) regime change will become possible in Iran.
Attack by hindu criminal Jews will initiate a protracted warfare, terrorist Jews have been able to avoid by playing stop of hostilities and than consolidating positions, but after attack on Iran, game of ceasefire and consolidation will be over till hindu criminal European Jewish settlers have been expelled from Philistine.
Hey Abdul, do you know what "Protracted" means= To draw out or lengthen in time; prolong. The war between Judea and Arabic countries has been going on for the past 2000 years, so what are you talking about????????? only Hindu Muslims have understood the relevance of making peace with other people and religion–Hamdulliallah!!! These Hindu Muslims love their children.
anyone who taken any classes from juan cole at U of M can attest to his anti israel leanings. he should never be allowed to write an opinion as an objective or disinterested expert. certainly he can voice his opinion but it must always be taken with a grain of salt
The lessons of all major armed conflicts since the WW II has been , that war has not resolved any dispute ! The right wing conservatives led by extremists , religious , and fanatics around the World have brought on wars , in almost all cases / countries over and over again . The neo cons in the U. S. , the right wing extremists in Israel , Taliban in Afghanistan and Ayatollahs in Iran and others in South East Asia . The Iran according to most news reports needs several years to reach the stage close to nuclear weapons stage , and many years for delivery of that weapon capability . Nevertheless , the right wing extremists in Israel and their neo cons friends around the world , would rather bring the trauma of a major armed conflict sooner , than give U. N. Inspectors and other negotiators time to resolve the issue , even before Iran develops a nuclear weapon . If this sounds familiar ? It is . The unnecessary War in Iraq from 2003 -2011 , was pushed by the same ideological class of people . The World continues to pay the heavy price for both Iraq and Afghanistan wars , and there does appear any end to that in near future . The U. S. can not afford another war with Iran at this time .
Juan, wishful thinking on your part.you are a antisemite as you hold Israel to a different standard.look at the Arab States enslaving the black animist population.sorry Jews don't roll over anymore.if they have to defend them selves they will take Back the sinai and neutron the whole middle east.Jews got their turn at being slaughtered. Never again means if the Arabs push them its at their peril
Famous last words. If President Obama says "roll over", Netanyahu better say: "how many times, sir"?
The Arab countries are not occupying the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem, Israel is doing that.
No need to be a hindu, ignorant, Semite, meanings, joined in essence or spirit is a fabricated word of 18th century by Europe, All of Germans or any group can be labeled a Semite including Hitler. Yes Jews are Semite with hindus of Egypt and Persia and so was Hitler.
Mohammad A Dar why do you keep referring to the Jews as Hindus. Here's a definition of HIndu from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu. Even if they were like Hindu, what does that have to do with anything?
label hindu never existed before 16th century and no where is to be found in old hindu text, Word hindu is driven from word hanood, orignally of Latin but part of Arabic, meaning, secular or self centered, in denial of truth or factual limit 360* also known as Chukrah in Sanskrit. Hun for great, Han to be in greatness and hin, to be negative to both of them.
ALLAH is a fraud.....GOD IS REALITY....
Word god is short of hindu god, goad, the belly, hindus pray to as deity including Europeans. Favorited by hindus, ignorant. Word Allah is of Latin origin, AL, the La, Limit,h most high, truth absolute 360*, reason for your hinduism, absurdity is lack of education, knowledge not of any one else. Allah is Physical sign,not hinduism, fabrication of pot head sanatans, shamans to be a human.
I hear that Israel is to be renamed .. the U.S of I, in partnership and harmony with it's protector.
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if iran is allowed to acquire nukes the world will become a battle ground, the arab nations now do not want iran to have a nuke, but if iran gets nukes the arabs will join iran because of the threat iran will impose to the entire region, and we all know what will happen with isreal and that will boil over into many places in the world including here, obama must stop playing games in pakistan and face the real threats of humanity.
I think its senseless to waste precious energy arguing, hating each other, and killing one another – over someone no one has any solid, concrete, physical proof of his existence.
IRQI SHIIE3A, IRAN AND HIZBOALLAH SENDING MONEY AND WEAPONS TO SYRIA GOVERNEMTN
TO GET RED OF SYRIAN REGIEME WE MUST START ATTACKING RUSSIA NOW BEFORE THEY ASK RUSSIA TO HELP THEM , WHEN WE CUT OF IRAN MONEY SUPPLIES WE WILL GET RED OF BASHAR, THEN WE MUST GET RED OF NORI AL MALEKI IN IRAQ AS HE IS THE BRIDGE BETWEEN EVIL IRAN AND THE THUGS IN SYRIA GOVERNEMTN , IRAQI SHII3A ARE HELPING AL ASAD WITH MONEY ,OIL AND WEAPONS , AND SENDING MILITIS KILLERS...USA START ATTACKING IRAN NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.THERE ARE SO MANHY WAYS WE CAN DO
America is sending our taxes to Israeli terrorists. What is your point?
Israel’s Peace Camp: Hopeless Nazis
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/israels-peace-camp-hopeless-nazis/
Is this Dr. Finkelstein credible? I have heard of him before. Is he the one who debunked the book "From Time Immemorial"?
Yes, he is. In America many of the important people in the writing business gave that book two thumbs up. It was Dr. Finkelstein who researched the book's references and found out that it was a pile of nauseating fiction. In it, supposedly, Palestine was barren before the European Jews arrived. There were other such lies but we now know, thanks to Dr. Finkelstein, that the book was a work of fiction at best.
So sad that none of you really believe in God .Otherwise you would have already acted or did not say anything at all.
I saw your "god" last time I got drunk. He told me that he had given me all of Nevada because I am one of the "chosen" people.
What was the God's name?
ALLAH, YAHOWA, YA HAY PLUS 99 NAME OF GOD........ALLAH HATRE SHIIA AND HATE IRAN . ALLAH KNOW IRAN AND SHIIA ARE EVIL THUGS.
THE TIME IS NEAR FOR THE END OF EVIL IRAN EMPIRE
What about the end of evil Apartheid Israel?
FK ALI FK HUSAIN FK ALJA3FARI FK KHOMINI FK AL SESTANI FK IRAN AND SHIIA OF IRAQ FK U ALL TERRORISTS MUSLIMS GET OUT FROM USA SHIIA THUGS
POTTY MOUTH.
Jesus is your savior. His teaching say: Do unto other as you would have done onto you. This means that Israel should not implement Apartheid laws that hurt non-Jews. Israel should not steal Palestinian land. Israel should not murder unarmed women and children.
تجمع اهالي بغداد .. يستنكر مسلسل اغتيال الناس الابرياء التي تقوم به قوات الحكومة العميلة بين الحين والاخرفي معظم مناطق بغداد المحتله .. التي كان لها ولايزال شرف مقاومة الاحتلال الامريكي واعوانه الاذلاء خدم الصهيانية وخدم بلاد فارس ..
شبكة المنصور
الجبهة الوطنية والقومية والاسلامية – تجمع اهالي بغداد
استنكر تجمع اهالي بغداد في لقاء صحفي على لسان متحدثه الرسمي .. الشيخ عبدالكريم الشمري والذي تحدث عن هذه الجريمة البشعة قائلا;
مرة أخرى تكشف قوات الحكومية العميلة عن وجهها الكالح وعن انحدارها الأخلاقي والإنساني السئ الذي وصلت إليه تلك أجهزة العملية .. التي تجردت وتبرأت بعضُ عناصرها تماما من الانتماء للدين والوطن مؤكدين صدق انتمائهم وولائهم الى قم وطهران ..كونهم بالاساس عناصر من فيلق القدس الايراني واطلاعات ايران الاجراميه التي تغلغلت في اجهزة الجيش والشرطه.. وبقيت هذه العناصر حاميـًا وحارسـًا ومشاركاً لكل جرائم الاحتلال وسوطا يلهب ظهور الغيارى الأحرار في عراق الجهاد ومستهدفة الناس الابرياء وخاصة في مناطق حزام بغداد الجهاد .. مثل مناطق ابي غريب والرضوانية الغربيه و الرضوانية الشرقيه ومنطقة اليوسفية ومنطقة التاجي والطارميه والراشديه ومنطقة المدائن واخيرا ماحدث في منطقة هور رجب ,, و ماسيحدث في المستقبل القريب في مناطق بغداد الاخرى.. التي كان لها ولايزال شرف مقاومة الاحتلال الامريكي واعوانه الاذلاء خدم الصهيانية وخدم بلاد فارس..
واضاف الشمري قائلا : لاغرابة في ان نرى اونسمع بين الحين والاخر جريمة قتل جماعية تستهدف الناس الابرياء الامنيين في بيوتهم في بغداد أوفي اماكن اخرى من العراق .. فهذا مسلسل مبرمج مدروس بعنايه تقوم به عناصر من فيلق القدس الايراني المسيطره على المفاصل الرئيسية لقوات الحكومة العميله والذي تتحرك بحرية تامه في المناطق التي تشرف عليها تلك القوات العمليه امنيا وبدعم من حكومة الهالكي العميله وعن طريق مايسمى بدائرة مكافحة الارهاب والتي هي اساسا منبع للقتل وللارهاب في هذا البلد الصابر.. وهذا ماحذرت منه الامانه العامة للتجمع في بيانها الرقم 128 بعنوان (بأي ذنبٍ يقتل العراقيين) من ان هناك مسلسل قتل جماعي مستمر في استهداف الناس الابرياء. ولا نظن يوما ان أفراد هذه الأجهزة وتوابعهم من المتورطين في هذه الافعال الاجرامية الدنيئة يتوقفوا عن القيام بها.. بل نحن في الامانة العامه لتجمع اهالي بغداد على يقين تام انهم مستمرون على هدر القيم والحرمات واستباحة دماء بناء شعبنا العراقي الكريم..!!
واستطرد الشيخ حديثه قائلا : ثبت لنا باليقين التام بان جريمة اغتيال 25 شخصا من بينهم خمسة نساء من اهالي قرية البوصيفي في هور رجب منتصف ليلة الجمعة في الثاني من نيسان الجاري قد نفذتها عناصر حكوميه اقتحمت خمس بيوت بسيارات عسكريه نوع همرونفذت حكم اعدام جماعي باسلحه كاتمه للصوت .. ولااعتقد ان احدا من العقلاء في داخل العراق وخارجه يصدق الادعاءات المفبركه الباطله لحكومة الاحتلال برميها التهم المتكرره عند الانتهاء من كل عمليه اجراميه .. على مايسمونه بالمجاميع الارهابيه ..
وفي ختام حديثه قال الشيخ الشمري : إننا في تجمع أهالي بغداد نستنكر هذا العمل الإجرامي الخسيس وهذه المجزرة البشرية الاجراميه البشعة .. ونطالب جميع أحرارالعالم اينما كانوا وكل الشرفاء الغيارى .. لاسيما الهيئات والمنظمات السياسية والإنسانية وجمعيات حقوق الإنسان ذات العلاقة في المنطقة والعالم بالوقوف الى جانب شعبنا العراقي الكريم باستنكاروادانة هذا العمل الجبان والدنيء ومحاسبة مرتكبيه وإلى تحمل مسؤولياتها الاخلاقيه والقانونية والانسانيه تجاه مايحدث من ظلم عظيم لابناء شعب العراق..! وأن يضعوا حداً لهذا التلاعب بمصير الشعب الآمن وبارواح الابرياء التي تزهق يوميا دون ذنب اومبرر.. كما اننا نحمل قوات الاحتلال الامريكي وحكومته العميلة المسؤولية الكامله على ارتكاب مثل هذه الجرائم البشعه ..!!
’’الله اكبر ’’الله اكبر ’’عاشت المقاومة الوطنية العراقية الباسلة ’’ عاش العراق العظيم’’
رحم الله شهدائنا .. شهداء العراق .. شهداء فلسطين .. شهداء العرب والمسلمين
الموت والخزي والعارالى المحتلين الغزاة وأعوانهم العملاء الأنجاس’’خدم قم وطهران ..
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IRANIANS WOMEN ARE GOOD FK,, EXCELLENT PUS....IES AND THEY GICE THE BEST DOGY STYLE FK EVER....MOTA STYLE ...I LOVE IRAN WOMEN
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عودة المجرم الارهابي المدعو ( ابو علي البصري ) المستشار الامني لنوري المالكي
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بعد هروبه بطائره خاصه وبدون تاشيره الى خارج العراق بعد افتضاح عملية هروب الارهابيين من تنظيم القاعده المرتبطه باستخبارات الحرس الثوري وعددهم ( 12 ) ارهابي معتقلين في سجون القصور الرئاسيه في البصره حيث اشرف على عملية هروبهم الى ايران باشر المجرم ابو علي البصري في مهامه كمستشار امني لنوري المالكي بعد عودته السريه مع تكليفه بمهام جديده هي الاشراف على الخلايا الخاصه لحزب الدعوه وهي مليشيات مسلحه مقرها الرئيسي في محافظة بابل والجدير بالذكر ان ابو علي البصري تم تعينه مديرا للامن والمعلومات في مكتب المالكي بناءا على توصيه من قاسم سليماني كون المذكور عمل في جهاز السافاك سابقا وعمل فتره طويله في جهاز استخبارات الحرس وبعد تعينه كلف حصرا بالاشراف على عمليات التعذيب للسجناء من اهالي نينوى وديالى وضباط الجيش العراقي السابق والبعثيين المعتقلين في السجون السريه التابعه للمالكي وكان هذا المجرم يمارس التعذيب بحق السجناء حتى الموت وترمى جثثهم خارج حدود مجافظة بغداد .
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المرافق الشخصي لابراهيم اشيقر الباكستاني وحقيبة ( Emergency bag )
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وردتنا معلومات من مصدر مقرب من مرافق ابراهيم اشيقر الملقب ( الجعفري ) مفادها ما يلي :
سئل المصدر مرافق " الجعفري" عن سر حمل هذه الحقيبه عند مرافقته للجعفري في كل تنقلاته اجابه بما يلي :
1- الحقيبه تحتوي على مبلغ قدره ( 200 ) الف دولار .
2- اقلام ذهب .
3- ساعات يدويه ثمينه .
4- مستمسكات شخصيه خاصه بالجعفري ( منها عدة جوازات سفر ) .
وتبين للمصدر من خلال الاستفسار من مرافق الجعفري ان حمل هذه الحقيبه تحسبا من وقوع امر طارئ وبدورنا نفسر هذا الامر الطاري ( تحسبا للشلعه السريعه )
هؤلاء هم قادة العراق " الجديد " الحراميه ولا نستغرب ما يفكرون به لانهم اشباه رجال جعل منهم المحتل " رجال" .
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I read in a article that U.S did a 250 million dollar simulation project to find out that U.S would fail measurably in war with Iran. This kinda makes sense because Iran is nothing like Saddam or Osama. Actuary there is no comparison because those are made in america but America hardly have any solid intelligence on Iran. Even nuke story gets written in million different ways. That at least tell everyone no one have any clue what is going on inside Iran. So I can't really say whether I believe even U.S not Israel that they're ready for confrontation with Iran.
One issue is war,one is the aftermath. Short term will probably be effective in airstrikes, however not as easy as many believe. Iranian subs will probably attack the carriers US have located in the earea at the same time the first bomb falls on Iranian ground. (yes they have such) are made in russia and are about 12 to 18 years old. In communication war ,each year is important but when it comes to sea battle its not really,these subs are a clear potential threat to the tree carriers US have there at the moment, it worked in WW1 and WW2 so why a 90-s sub would not be able to hit something thats large is beyound me. In terms of losses,a couple of thousend US troops will be in teh tub eventually and this is bad for us all ,as much of the carrier idea isnt so much about fighting as its about "potential danger" and a mean of pressure. Its like bismark, an old design and a very un-potential battleship in terms of what it cost and what it actually performed. If only one sub slips away its a fair chance it can sink one or two of the carriers as we talk full scale war now,and in war you do a duty -they would as any american would,and they dont have medieval weaponry as many believe. Its likely that a third of all aircraft is shot down so much of the "war" has to be done by missiles from far away,and cant be sent via Israel as its frankly too far. A single aeroplane wont ,in combat be able to reach iran and return without air fuelling and you just cant do that with 20 (which would be the minimum) easily.
This means that an airstrike on Iran,however they might want it, is quite difficult and more of a bark than reality.
Im saying this as an European, that everyone know no one will "win this" . A regime might fall ,but yet there will be fightings in decades ,and theres a fair chance that Israel will be wiped out along with the US troops as both russia and china has stated they will aid Iran if its attacked by Nato.
So ,thousends of lives for what? A possible nuclear threat? well hello there im raised in the 70-s ..potential holochaust is implemented in our brains forever.
Has Iran ever attacked anyone? No.
Will full scale war be a possibility in the middle east ?: yes
Will ANYONE in the region care a dime if Iran and Israel wipe eachother ? Sadly no. Iranians are persians,not muslims in that sence you might think,and are not at all friends with the neighbour countries , which Israel definatelly is not either.
A new korea war is about to rise,and its time to swallow some pride and return to the table.
Would US ever give up in a threat? ( i assume you say no) Let me then ask you ,no matter wich side you are on..would you believe Iran or Israel to give in ,without some kind of mutual understanding for eachothers cause?
I do believe its gonna be war,and god help us ,this time it will be costly ,for Europe,for US and for the middle east. For what? a dictator that maybe,is building waeponry? (i bet he do) my point is that iran probably already have nukes ,old soviet ones ..will we know these wont be used?
1 -and major part of israel is gone (its not so big as people think)..however its against iranian religion to kill .
And thats where i set my hope,israeli kill a lot,iranians dont,maybe they can -but can has not happened yet..so we need a bit of faith.
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