February 28th, 2012
07:00 AM ET

Why does America lead the world in school shootings?

Editor's Note: Dr. Frank Ochberg is Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Michigan State University and former Associate Director of the National Institute of Mental Health.

By Frank Ochberg - Special to CNN

School shootings are far more frequent in America than in other countries, although terrible massacres have occurred in Russia, Israel, and several European nations. In the high-crime neighborhoods of inner cities, school turf is relatively safe. We have learned to harden the target and patrol with vigilance.

And even in those suburbs and small towns where spree killings have occurred, the rates, per capita, are lower now than in previous decades. School is a safe place - until, as in Chardon, Ohio, the unspeakable happens. Then, even though the risks are low, it is fair to ask, why does this still happen? Why here, in America?

Let's be clear. There is no single, certain answer to these questions. The possible factors include failure by classmates, parents and school officials to see the warning signs; bullying and revenge; serious mental illness; violent role models; drugs; access to guns, and a culture that condones extremism.

America has its share of these factors, but which are significant and which are more prevalent here than across the Atlantic?

Warning signs

Students do not become mass killers overnight. They nurse their fantasies and they leak evidence. Insults, threats and plans are posted on websites. Classmates often know when a student is ready to strike back. Parents hear rumblings and have accurate gut sensations.

Within our country there are communities and neighborhoods and school districts that are relatively cohesive, vigilant and able to discuss warning signs of danger. There are some communities that are not as well integrated. They must be coached and helped.

After Columbine and Virginia Tech and other notorious school shootings, new programs to share information were developed and several plots were nipped in the bud. This evolution of information sharing occurs in other countries, but it is difficult to measure, nation to nation, who is ahead and who is behind. I see no proof that America is losing this race to improve detection of warning signs.

Bullying and revenge

We have too many bullies and too many youngsters at the mercy of bullies. But we also have a growing system of anti-bullying school programs. Despite rumors to the contrary, the Columbine killers were not bullied. There is no evidence that America, compared to other nations, has more bullies, more bullying, more victimization, and more victims who are ticking time bombs, hatching plots of lethal vengeance. However, we certainly can and should promote school programs that protect all children from stalking, hazing, and the new, evolving forms of abuse: Ostracism and humiliation through electronic social networks.

When boys are bullied they may fantasize about revenge. To dream of turning the tables on a bully is common to all eras, most cultures, and the source of drama, film and literature from the Elizabethan stage to the spaghetti Western. But whether a slowly evolving fantasy of mass murder is a product of mental illness, of bullying or of other sources, there are usually signs along the way.

Major mental illness

We do not have more major mental illness than most other countries. But we may be less caring of our mentally ill. Back in the Kennedy era, we launched community mental health programs to care for people with schizophrenia and similarly severe disorders, including depression. We wanted treatment available close to home, with compassionate supervision and with proper medication. We tried to stop the revolving door to the asylum, and, in fact, we tore down the large state hospitals. Our best intentions failed.

The program was never fully funded and our American system of care leaves much to be desired. The most serious mental illnesses, schizophrenia and depression, often become overt in adolescence. A boy who is smart enough to get into a good college becomes deluded, obsessed, strange, scary - and he gets rejected, isolated and stuck in a fantasy world. Those fantasies can become lethal. These forms of mental illness are seldom the source of homicide (far more often they torment and demoralize the disturbed individual). But when they are dangerous to others, we need good answers.

We do not have a sophisticated system of care and protection. If we did, Mr. Cho would not have killed 32 students at Virginia Tech. But America is really no worse than other nations when it comes to the numbers of seriously mentally ill, of violently mentally ill, of insufficiently treated violent mentally ill school-age boys. (Yes, we are talking about boys and young men; by far, they are the school shooters).

Violent role models

Violent role models, on the street, in the cinema, in the news, have been with us for as long as I recall, and are not limited to America. Back in the '60s, an American counter culture leader said, "Violence is as American as cherry pie." But other parts of the world, such as Northern Ireland, the Balkans, the children's armies of Africa, the terrorist camps of the Middle East, have their violent role models. Machismo is not an American word, nor is Hooligan.


We do have drugs and a drug culture and aspects of this problem are more severe here than in many other parts of the world. Crime is connected to the drug trade and this crime can spill into the school. But the type of school shooting that occurs in the suburb is seldom connected to this urban issue. There may be an indirect connection, since drug wars arm young soldiers of drug wars, and arms are a large issue in America.

Access to guns

Access to guns is a significant factor in American school shootings. If kids could not and did not bring guns to school, we wouldn't have Columbine, Virginia Tech or Chardon, Ohio. There have been crimes with knives and bats and fists. But school shootings are gun crimes. Kids with guns kill kids at school.

I do not think America is an extremist nation, compared to other nations with bloody histories and despotic leaders. True, we have polarized political speech, and some of that speech is about access to guns. But the reason we have an American school shooting problem that exceeds other nations has to do with access to loaded weapons by kids who should not have that access.

I'm not offering a gun control solution. But any serious attempt to prevent school shooting will have to attack the problem by determining who should not be armed, and preventing dangerous boys from bringing guns to school.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of Frank Ochberg. For more on the subject of school shootings, Dr. Ochberg recommends reading reports by the U.S. Secret Service and the FBI.

Topics: United States • Youth

soundoff (2,270 Responses)
  1. jal

    Cant outsource schooling...or can you? I will let the 1% decide that for us. After all, they are the job creators and this nations problem solvers. Heck, Mitt Romney works harder in one day than a well trained electrical engineer does in 1 full year!

    February 28, 2012 at 7:33 am | Reply
    • Victor E. Maffei

      Because guns are there for it, stupid!!!

      February 28, 2012 at 9:13 am | Reply
      • IggyC

        Guns are the tool, we need to find the motive.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:22 am |
      • Emmy Skaddittle

        but if the tool wasn't available, they wouldn't have been shot

        February 28, 2012 at 9:34 am |
      • Bzzarr

        Iggy-Mean while lets lock up the tool room.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:35 am |
      • AceRyder

        Bzaar, so to stop the what, maybe dozen's of deaths by crazy, gun weilding teens, you'd take firearms away from EVERYONE else? Leave firearms only with criminals, the ones who aren't afraid of jail and wouldn't comply with requirments to surrender a weapon?

        February 28, 2012 at 9:40 am |
      • ThePROFESS10NAL

        If there is a way to kill someone, it will happen regardless of guns. Guns are part of our reality and they wont be going anywhere EVER. No such thing as getting rid of them. You take them from people, the criminals will find a way to get them... and if not that, they will find a way to make one.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:44 am |
      • nerve9

        Yeah, but you don't leave your table saw unsecured around children, do you.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:53 am |
      • The REAL Truth...

        @AceRyder – here we go again, the same old whine. "But Mom, theirs is bigger than mine, so I need a bigger one!" Did it ever occur to you that criminals (who will always be criminals BTW) may not find the need to "carry" if hand guns were banned and controlled. No one is talking about taking away ALL guns, just those that are as easy to get as drugs!

        February 28, 2012 at 9:56 am |
      • Kip

        Guns are already illegal for kids to carry guns. Its already illegal to have a weapon on campus. Its Illegal in most cases to shoot some one.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:15 am |
      • Jerry, Florida

        It's not handguns as many shootings are done with rifles as well. In other countries people run amok with machetes, and of course there are suicide bombers as well. There is NO one answer.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:17 am |
      • Don

        Guns are a tool this is true but a tool with a very specific purpose, to kill. When that tool is left all around and is way too easy to acquire because of gun fanatics and the NRA those tools get misused like any tool does when it is not put in specific places and kept to where it is to be used. You want to end the school shooting and a great deal of the crime in America, where we have more people die from guns than anywhere else in the world, you need to limit the access to guns and control how they are stored, kept, and owned. Yes, I know, if we do not have guns only criminals will have guns. Criminals get guns easily because so many lame people own them and do not keep them safely locked up, no supply of guns. criminals do not have guns. And as far as protecting against government take over, your puny rifle is really going to defend against an armored personal carrier or tank filled with soldiers in body armor and weapons that will destroy anything you hide behind. Get real, the only people who go off about having guns are very paranoid individuals who have an inferiority complex in the jeans and feel that big ole gun will make up for it somehow.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:29 am |
      • j. von hettlingen

        Yes, apart from the easy access to guns, one also has to look at the social aspect of these tragedies. Very often we have youngsters who are neglected at home and excluded from the society. At school they feel discriminated not only by their shoolmates, also by the teachers. A twist of fate and the – irreparable – damage is done.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:29 am |
      • Paul

        Lack of access is the key. As one poster stated (paraphrasing), one does not leave the table saw wide open and available to those who do not know how to operate it. Similarly, I make my firearms inaccessable to my children (and my table saw key as well).

        February 28, 2012 at 10:33 am |
      • Jay

        True... USA is the only country where everyone have access to guns, including children. You have disagreement with somebody, go home and take a gun and shoot.. go and kill each other America until you learn..

        February 28, 2012 at 10:38 am |
      • Falconi

        @Jay – See Switzerland for more information on gun access. Here's a hint: The Swiss model was what our founding fathers based the Second Amendment upon. My opinion: The problem starts in the home. Not only with PARENTS who leave guns available for their children, but also with PARENTS who do not properly educate their children. We cannot rely on our public education to instill the moral fiber that we (You and I) hold dear. That must be done in the home.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:55 am |
      • Breeze

        Exactly! Marijuana is a "tool" to get high but it illegal because the government does not want us to get high. But, when it comes to guns, it's not the tool that is the problem according to gun nuts. Get real. If guns are easily available to high school students then they will acquire and use them. Well, at least the U.S. leads the world in some school-related endeavor!

        February 28, 2012 at 11:04 am |
      • Brian

        Guns were even more available in the 60's. 70's and 80's. Has nothing to do with it at all. Look at the roll models and leadership these kids have. The television, X-box, greed, single parents that work 2 jobs, a suit happy society that takes no personal responsibility for anything. And a country with absolute wimps for leaders. Republican and Democrat alike.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:06 am |
      • DOD

        Guns kill people but they also protect people. All cops have guns. Remember, If there is a gun in every house, criminals will think ten times if they want to brake into that house.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:10 am |
      • Mamatrois

        Lack of parenting. Period. Face facts. Know what your kids are going through, go through it with them not as a friend but as the mature guide on ALL Things. When will people wake up to this. Parenting is a full time, non stop, no topic off limits job.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:11 am |
      • Cynic

        A gun is a tool, and that is all it is. You can kill with a number of objects.

        Why is it that random shootings like this receive so much national attention? Because in a country of 80 million gun owners, shootings like this are rare. Therefore, they are news-worthy.

        There are more fatalities by automobile, so they are rarely reported nationally. I wonder that so few people want to take automobiles away from us, because fatalities happen so often. On the other hand, there are gun control advocates who text or use cell phones while driving, thus making it all the more likely that they will kill someone while irresponsibly wielding a 3,000 pound weapon. Do they ever think of their own irresponsible behavior?

        February 28, 2012 at 11:25 am |
      • Wally Rogers

        I agree completely !

        February 28, 2012 at 11:37 am |
      • Rob

        Tougher Gun laws USA.... you have to or this will keep happening.... take your pick...

        February 28, 2012 at 11:40 am |
      • wial

        Yup, as the article makes crystal clear, the major difference between America and other places is the ridiculously easy access to guns. Most everything else is equal. Probably the access to guns drives some of the other differences, such as the social and emotional distance we have between each other - one of the very worst things about our culture. The right of a few people to carry around instruments of destruction that make them feel more like the men they will never truly be hardly outweighs the right of us as a people to be safe and caring for each other, does it? One of the ironies is the gun nuts are exactly the kind of people the Bible's Book of Proverbs tries to educate into full adulthood, yet the same people act like they're the only ones who understand the Bible. America's journey to redemption will be a long one, I'm afraid.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:47 am |
      • XDJX

        the motive- raising the bar every year= stress

        February 28, 2012 at 11:59 am |
      • TheMovieFan

        Vic, are you replying to jal?

        February 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
      • vman2003

        Do you even realize that Switzerland is second in the world in gun ownership , close behind U.S. Yet you don't hear much about school shootings in Switzerland. Sorry, but you'll have to look for another reason other than simplistic scapegoating

        February 28, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
      • Hot Carl

        More gun laws are needed so criminals and psychopaths can ignore them, too! Morons.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
      • Matt

        Guns have always been around, and bullying has always been around? So whats changed we must ask? Thats right, parents/lawyers infiltrating school issues trying to sue everyone over fights. So schools just call the cops and now kids get criminal records for a little fight. Fighting/conflict is inherant in our nature!!! Supress it, and rage builds, and mass killings ensue!! When you look at it in the contexts of whats changed the awnsers are usually staring you right in the face!!

        February 28, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
      • Matt

        Another great analogy is Forest fires...huge campaigns to prevent them and supress the little controllable fires...Then we got Super Fires that were uncontrollable...turns out a little fire is a necessary evil...and so is a little fist fighting now and then...black eyes/bloody noses heal(if it ever gets past pushing/pulling) gun shot wounds to the head don't!!

        February 28, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
      • Jillicentix

        What we really need to do is bring back the duel. That way if someone insults you or provokes you to a murderous rage, you and that person can shoot at eachother respectably without involving the unnecessary deaths of innocent bystanders.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
      • Jay

        The tool room IS locked in a school area... some are just able to break the locks and get the tool while everyone else is left helpless.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
      • Charlton Heston

        Guns are more effective than knives. We need to allow students to carry guns in classrooms, just as they are allowed in public recreation centers,which is the way it is in Fairfax, the home of the NRA. Students have the right to defend themselves and to worship the second ammendment.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
      • ease up

        There no longer seems to be an out let for the simple childhood agression of pushing and shoving.
        Every thing now calls for strict interaction with authority and anger builds to this type of action due to the lack of release of pressure at a lower non leathal level.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
      • Paul

        the issue is not guns. if you want to know the real issue i believe it is a fundamental problem with how our education system works. http://therollingmacaroon.tumblr.com/post/18002397589/rsa-animate-changing-education-paradigms-by check that video out. That is what's wrong with all of this.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
      • Tony Bowling

        Nearly every school shooting and other seemingly motiveless group shooting has two very distinct factors: The obvious one is guns are available but the key one is that the shooter is on or has recently been on mind controlling medications. Not street drugs. Something given to "help" the person. You will either see this info in the initial report or later on at the trial or something. It may even be "he was diagnosed as having ADD" which nearly always means he/she was put on meds. And no, I do not care that you think meds helped you or your best friend. These incidents mostly happen with drugs. FACT.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
      • Kyle

        Because we are #1 in exporting terrorism and massacring other nations for their natural resources so our oil executive (Mafia) can screw us more and more!

        February 28, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
      • Lucke

        Motive: 1st one: just for the sake of trying it... 2nd: because they liked it.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
      • John N

        @Emmy, no, if the killers had no guns, the victims would have been stabbed or beaten to death. Besides, gun laws are there for the mostly honest people. If someone is going to kill someone, I have a hard time believing they'll flinch at breaking a gun law.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
      • LearnMath

        VMAN2003 – seriously, you make no sense in your argument about Switzerland vs America's shootings...
        There are 8million people living in NEW YORK CITY!!!! there are 7 million living in Switzerland....Euros trying to compare statistics with the U.S. are really so lame. Canada who likes to compare themselves against the U.S. even has 50 miilion people....seriously?? we have 350+ miillion people and quite varying demographics...the U.S. is unique to the world, unique is all I am saying. (PS no, I don't proofread web blog entries, seriously?)

        February 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
      • Steele

        Anyone who blames this on the availability of guns is an idiot...Bad people find ways to do bad things....the gun wasn't pressuring that kid to shoot the kids that obviously made his life miserable enough to snap.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
      • StevenR

        It's the guns. Here you go "responsible" gun owners. How about IF YOU DO NOT SECURE YOUR GUN AND IT GETS USED IN A CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME.

        I am SICK AND TIRED of idiotic gun owners saying "I left it on the coffee table and it got stolen so I am not responsible". YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE! Keep your G.D. guns OUT OF THE HANDS OF CHILDREN AND CRIMINALS OR YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.

        I am all for RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP, I just have NEVER SEEN IT!

        February 28, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
      • Brad

        all 350,000 of them and obviously our current laws prevent the wrong people from getting them. Its too bad these kids who got shot at didn't have guns because then maybe the killer would have thought twice about doing this...

        February 28, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
      • chiavarm

        Until you can guarantee that NO ONE (even the bad guys) then you cannot act like we can prevent the wrong people from having a gun. Also whether you like it or not; everyone benefits from the free access to guns. Criminals do not know who is armed and those that aren't and thus some portion of potential criminal activity has been prevented.

        February 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
      • Carlin

        There are two problems: 1. Most people are stupid. 2. Guns are efficient high-powered killing machines. Put them together and it is pretty obvious why these things happen.

        February 28, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
      • TheRealCitizens

        If you try to take my right to guns, heck, if you try to take my guns, i will shoot back.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
      • Andrew Wayne

        Guns are not the problem, they are simply a means to an end. If you take away guns then they will grab a knife. Take away the knife, well how difficult is it to look on the internet and find ways to mix common household cleaning supplies into something that goes boom? Identify and treat the cause.

        Gun control is a favorite target when politicions want to look like they are doing something but do not want to or cannot put forth the funds to treat the underlying issue. Most gun control regulations are knee jerk reactions because its easy for the government to be reactive than proactive and guns are an easy target to place the blame on.

        As someone said before. Outlawing guns would only mean outlaws have the guns and what do they care for the laws of man?

        February 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
      • Kandi

        Wut the F are you naive people talking about?

        If a gun wasn't there, there would have been a knife or a f'n rock.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
      • markinfl

        Kandi, total failure as an argument. That boy could never have killed three people and seriously injured two more with a knife, much less a rock. Only an id.iot would compare the effectiveness of a knife with a gun.

        Feel free to bring a rock to a gunfight. dumb.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
      • Karen

        Why would you call someone stupid? It's people like you who talk down to others that cause a lot of the problems we're talking about right now.....

        February 28, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
      • ruffo76

        This was a tragic event, but do we all need to wear bubble wrap suites now and stay safe behind a protective shield. If we're getting rid of things that when improperly used cause tragic deaths. Then why save a few people a year when we can save millions. lets get rid of cars. yeah! LETS ILLEGALIZE AUTOMOBILES THERE RESPONSIBLE FOR A HELL OF A LOT MORE TRAGEDY AND HEART BREAK OUT THERE...

        February 28, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
      • toxictown

        I am as liberal as they come and not a huge gun fan but I don't think banning guns is the way to go either. I have many safety concious, law-abiding gun owner friends. Criminals and nuts will find thier way around laws. There is something darker and deeper going on.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
      • Karen

        too many haters on this crazy blog...................

        February 28, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
      • Ali

        Nobody can control human behavior. It hasn't work for thousands of years and it will never work in future. But we can control guns distribution. Gun can kill tens of people in 5 seconds. How many people can get killed in 5 seconds by a knife?
        Not too many people want to accept this simple fact. I guess protecting second amendment is more important than saving lives.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
      • r battiston

        Why so much gun violence in school. Simply because you Yanks are wackos. Yes wackos. Well obviously not everyone, but enough that you have way too much senseless killing, not that there is sensiible killings. If you didn't have all those guns handy, you'd use something else.

        February 28, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
      • LoonyBin

        You people are ridiculous. Whenever you outlaw something, you create problems. Look at drugs. Drug gangs are around because drugs are illegal. In Portugal, after they legalized the drugs, the gangs went away, because the black market went away and normal cops were there to take care of drug related crime (instead of thugs). In this case, it is a very isolated incident with a bat S#it crazy kid. There are many kids who grow up with guns who understand how to deal with them responsibly. Most of you pretentious yuppies just have no clue what i'm talking about because you spent you life in a smog-ridden city. Good for you.

        February 28, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
      • Adam

        Hey Emmy Skaddittle the 9/11 hijackers didn't use guns and they still killed a lot more people. They found a way, bad people always do.

        February 28, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
      • George

        Guns have been around for a couple hundred years and this phenom has really only become prevalent in the last decade or so. So what has changed? The internet for one. The ease with which one can slander, tease or bully another person is magnified to such an extent that, even with anonymity, you can cut a kid to shreds. Perhaps our children have thinner skin as well. They were raised by Mr. Rogers and Barney where no matter what – you were the most special person in the world – so it goes to reason that when reality dictates that not everyone likes you (justified or not) that your reaction might be more extreme than a person raised in another era. Just my 2 cents.

        February 28, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
      • matu421

        the real problem is firearm education!! too many people dont have it!! i believe every man woman and responsible teen should carry a gun. i also believe that before you buy a gun you must complete a firearms training course, paid for in part by the sale of the firearm. for those that get guns illegally always have and always will! it is important for the whole family to know the safety rules of a firearm. it is a tool, and that is what i teach my children. just like every other tool on this planet there is a right way to use it and a wrong way to use it. those that use it in the wrong way either are mentally disturbed or have not had the proper education with a firearm!

        February 28, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
      • FactChecker

        @Brian: "Guns were even more available in the 60's. 70's and 80's" - I doubt it. In the 50's criminals made zip-guns by hand because manufactured guns were hard to get. They often exploded when fired. The saturday-night-special changed all that. Cheap guns (even automatics) are so easy to get now that no one would make a zip-gun.

        February 28, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
      • schlammerhammer

        Because Americais a screwed up society. iPads as a brain but no manners, decency or culture. We are a bunch of barbarians uncivilized and f.....up. Produce kids but don't know whow to raise children.

        February 28, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
      • Sarajane

        If cars were not available we could save more lives than than if guns were not available.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
      • Marz

        You cannot blame guns in general as the root of the problem. You take away guns, then there will be knives. you take away knives then there will be hammers. Hand Axes, ice picks, the list can go on and on and on. As everything in this world is a "tool".

        The problem reflects back to parents needing to be responsible for their children. They need to be there with an open ear and listen to their child talk to them about their problems. Communicate. The biggest problem that I have seen with children (being a parent myself) is that most parents do not listen to their children. They are so quick to send their kids to their rooms and remain.

        Is it so hard to ask your child after school "How was your day?" and talk to them.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
      • Chris

        There are a lot of countries with guns..........and knives.... and bridges... and chemicals... and gasoline.... and all sorts of dangerous weapons. So who is stupid here?

        February 28, 2012 at 11:51 pm |
      • foreigner

        technologically,america is an advanced country.socially,it is primitive.americans are half-civilized.

        February 29, 2012 at 12:00 am |
      • True American

        1. Other countries should not compare each other to the U.S.
        2. Guns are not the problem
        3. Bullying is the issue here
        4. Jews are not the problem
        5. Fix the God-Damn School System

        February 29, 2012 at 12:03 am |
      • everettreb

        When I was in high 35 years ago we didn't have all of these shootings and we had even easier access to guns.
        There is something else going on and anyone thinking that getting rid of guns is the answer is dreaming.

        February 29, 2012 at 1:20 am |
      • Robert C

        Iggy C is correct. Guns are only a tool. If you take away all the guns then they will use something else. Remember that video from Fenger High School in Chicago Illinois where the kids were using their fists, feet, and a 2×4 to kill another student?
        They need proper education not oppression.

        February 29, 2012 at 1:28 am |
      • Barfy Spewsalot

        Back in my day it was common to get stabbed to death & yet we all had guns. England got rid of all guns yet there are STILL people getting murdered by thugs with guns. There is STILL criminals preying on victims. Has England gotten safer? They still havce cameras in every nook & cranny don't they?

        February 29, 2012 at 2:01 am |
      • Barfy Spewsalot

        Back in my day it was common to get stabbed to death & yet we all had guns. England got rid of all guns yet there are STILL people getting murdered by thugs with guns. There is STILL criminals preying on victims. Has England gotten safer? They still have cameras in every nook & cranny don't they?

        February 29, 2012 at 2:02 am |
      • Earnan M

        Guns are effectively banned in Ireland, yet a mentally ill ex-student was able to enter the Sullivan Upper School with a home-made flamethrower.

        At least his victims were only coated with flaming gasoline and not shot. I'm sure they appreciated that.

        February 29, 2012 at 2:32 am |
      • jojo

        guns dont kill people ...people kill people and if there where not guns there would have been something else like a knife ..if it was a knife would u be says the same thing ...if someones going to do something there going to do they will find away ....

        February 29, 2012 at 3:20 am |
      • chefdugan

        The answer is simple: the lack of discipline in the American family: parents wanting to be buddies rather than role models, and the TV culture. The more you watch the dumber you become.

        February 29, 2012 at 9:26 am |
      • JD Anderson

        When I was twelve years old I owned a 410 shotgun and a 22 rifle. When I was sixteen years old I owned a 12 gage shotgun and a 30-06 semi-automatic rifle. Which you could find in the easy rider rifle rack of my Ford pick-up parked in the parking lot of my high school; just in case I wanted to go hunting after school. Most of the guys I went to school with did the same thing. You never heard of a school shooting back then. What's changed? PARENTING!!! You can't discipline your kids anymore, a lot of these idiots wouldn't even if they could. Way too many fools out there having children with no clue about how to raise a decent law abiding citizen. These kids are bringing the guns from home, where apparently the parents are not in control. The laws are on the books already, all we need to do is enforce them. If your child goes to school and shoots anyone the parent should be held as accountable as the student. Start locking up some of these parents and I bet you see a decrease in these types of incidents. Parents don't talk with their kids anymore. Communication is done through texting or e-mail. Parents don't even go in their kids rooms to actually get some insight into what their kid is into. You want to make more laws, make laws concerning parenting and the responsibilities that come with it.

        February 29, 2012 at 11:25 am |
      • Frank

        Because 8 of 10 Children's FATHERS have been replaced with CHILD SUPPORT CHECKS!

        February 29, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
      • keeretam neestand

        Not to mention the culture of war & violence that is constantly in the face of the American TV viewer to keep them desensitized promotes wars & violence. And with no many guns on the streets with NRA working overtime, no wonder there is so much killings within US society.

        March 2, 2012 at 7:05 am |
      • Prettygal

        Everyone–send them to a Catholic school–they will be safe!

        March 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
      • The Phantom

        Thoughtfully the second amendment is in our consittution. It protects its citizens from knee jerk soultions. Perhaps we should not have stopped all fist fights over the years? During my years in school many students carried knives, occasionally brought guns to school and never cut or shot anyone. Seems as though the more our nanny state and 'those who know better' influence our behavior the worse the outcome.

        March 3, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
      • Shawn S

        I like the quote from the movie, Shoot em up..."Ah come on, everybody knows that people kill people, not guns...but they sure make it a lot easier!"

        March 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm |
      • me

        Guns are illegal in Mexico.

        11,000+ people were gunned down in Juarez Mexico last year.

        That gun control law isn't working to well in Mexico is it.

        Our housecleaning lady had her neighbors son house sitting for her in Juarez. She returned to Juarez and the boy was found murdered in her house.

        Gun control laws in Mexico aren't working well are they.

        Someone needs to teach these kids, ideally it would be their family and friends that MURDERING someone in not just agains the law but the bible teaches it as well.

        Having 1st hand viewed the Columbine event, thank God their propane bombs didn't go off. Their propane bombs would have leveled the whole school. There'd be knee-jerk idiots wanting to ban propane grills.
        The parents of columbine killers denied any knowledge but search warrants turned up drawings, plans and stolen guns in the boys rooms but the naive parents never knew about it. Maybe take some time and get involved w/ their kids and these things won't happen.
        These kids have issues and their issues have to be dealt w/.

        March 4, 2012 at 12:02 am |
      • MG.

        This fits Einstiens definition of insanity; which is ...doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome! This is another example of gun control laws that simply don't work! Perhaps, if the intellects put discipline back in the schools they'd have better results!

        March 5, 2012 at 5:01 am |
      • Jorgen Duus, Denmark

        There are americans who say; "People kill, weapons don't". I think they're dead wrong.
        If the gunman who attacked that Connecticut School hadn't held a gun in his hand, he'd never achieve to kill so many before being stopped.

        It's not: "People kill, weapons don't"
        Instead it's: "People WITH weapons kill, people WITHOUT don't".

        December 14, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
      • Thinker23

        There will always be someone with a motive... It's the availability of tools that makes the deadly combination (motives and tolls) possible.

        December 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
      • ando

        For people who argue that gun is only tool, it is people who kill people not a gun, and stronger gun control will not solve the problem: " If so why don't this country legalize its people to have bomb or rocket? It is not about the tools right? So is it Ok to have any tools to kill including a nuke?
        If no one have access to mass killing weapons, bad people have to make a great effort to kill a bunch of people. Save more life.

        December 14, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
      • mom

        Agree! Because guns and ammo can be obtained SO easily. Any lunatics can get them and cause great harm to other innocent people. Take away the guns, and no more innocent people like 4 year old killing his dad, 5 year old killing 2 year old,and all these innocent lives lost and hurt.
        Sadly, many lawmakers still don't get it and many just can't make the most common sense. Look at other developed countries with no wars, we are by far the worst in gun violence. Shameful!

        June 11, 2013 at 11:07 am |
      • Peter Trainor

        WHat a very stupid question? How about this, why is the USA the leading killing maching in the world!! And by world I mean of all wealthy nations. Forget 3rd world nations where machetes and bats are use. This is the USA which is suppose to be the top nation, but ONLY top when it comes to killing, having the most fat folks, the most expensive and terrible health care, education is worse than any other top nation and the most expensive too. Folks live less and will die sooner due to their poor health and diet or due to anybody killing them. If that isnt the case then COPS, yes USA cops, will kill any innocent person at any time too. Cops in the USA, again a top nation, are the most lethal and violent and they answer to NOBODY and they get to walk out free instead of heading to jail or the Hague for their war crimes. In Europe cops or anyone else doesnt go around shooting, maiming or killing 24/7 like in the USA. Heck, even China or Cuba are much safer. If a cop in Cuba ever kills any innocent civilian then "Castro is evil."

        June 11, 2013 at 11:54 am |
      • Darryl

        "Gun" is a misnomer and a more gentile word. Let's use the term for what it is. . .a "weapon". This is the term used in the armed forces because that's what it is. . . . . . a weapon!

        April 9, 2014 at 10:09 am |
    • joe engineer

      No, Mitt doesn't do more work in a day than an electrical engineer does in a year. In fact, our man Mitt doesn't do anything useful during the course of a day. Running for President creates no wealth and gains the country nothing. Our engineer, on the other hand, does.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
      • Drowlord

        joe engineer has a hard time with sarcasm.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:36 am |
      • Mel

        I think "Jal" was being sarcastic. Of course, the average engineer will do tons more work in ONE HOUR and contribute to the innovations, output and profits of a company than mitt romney, snatorum and gingrich's "work" COMBINED over their lifetimes.

        Electrical engineer OR computer scientist > born into riches republican

        February 28, 2012 at 9:45 am |
      • artyEss

        I think you mean 'irony' or 'ironic' not 'sarcasm' or 'sarcastic'.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:15 am |
      • Don

        Good Ole Mitt hasn't done an hours worth of work in his whole lifel most people do more getting the kids off to school in a morning than Mitt has done in the last 10 years.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:30 am |
      • RobMichigan

        What party do all those hard working welfare recipients belong to?

        February 28, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
      • Lee

        Yeah, I think he was being sarcastic. At least I hope so. I'm an electrical engineer, so I may know a thing or two about what an electrical engineer does, and well we all see what politicians do. I just wish I had their benefits. I don't have to work less, I just want their benefits.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
      • StevenR

        Mitt is a useless bag of dirt. Self made man? OH PLEASE! Son of the GOVERNOR, WEASELED INTO AN IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL, got MILLIONS from his dad's friends to start a company. Pretty self made, huh?

        DISGUSTING. EVERYTHING the OCCUPY movement is protesting. The rich get richer and we all get screwed. Job creators? GIVE ME A BREAK!

        The only way Mitt would be a good choice is if the OTHER CHOICE were SANTOURM (Google it!) or GINGRICH!

        February 28, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
      • Andrew

        To answer RobMichigan's question: "What party do all those hard working welfare recipients belong to?"

        They belong to the Republican party. There are studies that actually show that. People who utilize the largest amounts of government funds and populations that use the most government funds are largely conservative and religious. The connection is obvious – they are uneducated, so they don't make any money and they're gullible. They believe in God, and they believe that the only reason THEY need government money is because the "liberal elite" put them in that position. A the same time, they believe that they're conservative neighbor next door who is also using government funds is actually liberal "welfare mother" using their tax dollars (not sure why they think they pay taxes) to sin against God. In fact, both of them probably believe that about each other. It's freaking crazy.

        There are social and demographic studeis about this that say it much more nicely than I just did, but that's basically what they say. Start here: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Mark

      Blah blah blah, more of the typical and rather juvenile class warfare.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:30 am | Reply
      • nerve9

        Way to whip out the GOP buzzword! Do you get special points for everytime you use one?

        February 28, 2012 at 9:54 am |
      • Tom

        Notwithstanding, his statement is irrefutable.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:22 am |
      • Hahahahahaha

        Mark thinks he's rich!!!!! Too funny!!! Hey Mark, when the "real class warfare" starts, everyone posting here will be on the same side!!! The POOR side. It's just that most redneck GOP members are too stupid to realize it yet. Hahahahahaha

        February 28, 2012 at 10:24 am |
      • Don

        It is so pathetic anymore, say anything that counters the right wing thought process and points out obvious defects in their non thinkiing and they immediately go to the one line come back, "Class Warfare". Most of these morons do not even know what it means all they do know is how to say it and think it means anything and to be honest they really do not have a clue.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:32 am |
      • Jillicentix

        Lol. High School shootings are just 'juvenile class warfare'. I get it.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
      • screeny

        Um. Go back to your talking points manual, please. This story is not about class warfare. You're supposed to froth (I use that word on purpose with you people) at the mouth about freedom and protecting yourself from the criminals and terrorists and maybe how if Obama doesn't become even more republican than he already is you might need your guns for second amendment solutions. Got it?

        February 28, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
      • The Phantom

        The distinction may lie more with ones who take care of a situation by themselves or ones who wait on someone else to do it. Not being poor or rich.

        March 3, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • james

      they have rights to own guns. they are scared to take a punch from a fellow(every one is a coward.. they need a gun for protection). i still believe schools are way safer than some streets in the east coast though less attention is paid.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:04 am | Reply
      • T

        You are an idiot. Take a punch? Try being tormented and tortured for years and so how rational you are. SToP making excuses for the bullies.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:14 am |
      • Gerry Daley

        Right wing nuts find *any* excuse to blame liberals and excuse the unimpeded NRA campaign to put guns into the hands of just about anyone. The fact is, easy access to any sort of weapon is possible here and the end result is an appalling amount of slaughters which get expalined away by the crazy right-wingers.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:47 am |
      • IG88a

        Fist fights and hand to hand fighting are actually more dangerous than many people think. A 10 yr old died after a fight that was in the news. (I'm not saying arm 10 yr olds). But people should understand that fists are still dangerous and a handgun could be used to protect one's self. I don't agree that law abiding people should go to jail if criminals break into their gun safes. Thats not fair to law abiders. I think many gun owners don't realize how they put their right to own guns in jeopardy by leaving them so accessible to their kids when these tragedies occur. There always some left wingers that then think the guns should be taken away from everyone except the agents of the governments they want to rule over their lives. We need to respect the fragility of life but also our rights and freedoms we have in this country. When we allow the government to infringe on the rights they are not delicate in how they restrict. They usually infringe in broad strokes and seldom slacken when overreached.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:10 am |
      • melvinslizard

        Why don't you look up the story about the 10 year old girl that died this week after getting in a fist fight with a classmate. 10 years old, 1 punch, 1 bloody nose, and she was dead before the end of the day. The other 10 year old girl is being charged with HOMICIDE. Your statement is ridiculous.

        February 29, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • lesawithane

      I agree with the comments about gun control and you will not help by taking guns away from law abiding citizens. Criminals will never now or in the future comply with gun laws. Its silly. I do believe that if you are a parent, and you own guns, that you NEED to be held accountable for those guns plain and simple. There will be be people who say "oh it was stolen or taken without my consent-its not my fault" Listen-if own a gun and know how to shoot-you KNOW how to secure your guns in a way that only YOU can get them. If you leave it covered up on the top shelf of your closet-YOU should be held accountable. PERIOD. Kids cant go into a gun store and buy a gun. Know your kids-if there is a problem you know of, or you dont like who your kids hang out with COME ON! Be a parent! Be responsible for helping your child. There are always signs of distress...always if you know your child. Its just so sad that this boy thought the only way to help himself was to harm others. What makes a child want to harm another person in such a horrific way...I feel for him and his demons...I have two girls and two boys, one boy of which is going into highschool. I have been a parent, and have established a trust with him, and actually KNOW him. Im tired of parents not parenting and this ends up happening....

      February 28, 2012 at 10:09 am | Reply
      • Don

        If so many law abiding citizens did not have guns so easily available for criminals to steal there would not be so many guns in the criminals hands to commit crimes with. Also, if every gun owner was required to own a gun safe to own a gun and had to keep them locked up and was sent to prison for 10 years any time one of his guns got into the hands of a criminal there would be far fewer guns in criminla hands. This whole concept that criminals will not comply with gun control is true. But most of the guns criminals have are stolen from the so called law abiding citizens who do not know how to control a deadly weapon they insist upon owning. Trust, me, criminals do NOT go to the local gun store to purchase their guns. Why should they? Go into any trailer park in America and any 2 out of 3 trailers has more guns than you will ever need.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:36 am |
      • lesawithane

        @Don-that is what I was trying to say. The people who dont lock up guns the correct way-just make it easier for crimminals to get a hold of these guns...This is why legislation stating that if you own a gun-you need a safe to go WITH the permit would help a bit like you said. 🙂

        February 28, 2012 at 10:43 am |
      • Didi

        The safe is a good idea, but what about people who use their gun for protection? What about farmers who keep their .22 on the table to keep the varmints down? It isn't always best to keep every gun in the house locked up. I agree with you 100% that it is a gun owner's responsibility to store his gun properly (when not in use), and that a parent needs to step up and be a parent. As a hunter, I've found one of the best ways to keep my kids from thinking guns are cool toys is to let them see the animals I've shot. Video games and movies might be gory, but they're fantasy. A deer hanging in the garage waiting to be butchered is tangibly real.

        I realize not everyone is a hunter, and that some hunters aren't comfortable sharing the experience with their kids. Parents are individuals, as are their kids. Like you said, lesawithane, the important thing is to know your child. Be aware of what happens at school and who your child's friends are. Sadly, parental involvement isn't going to prevent every tragedy, but it will go a long way toward getting a child help before he strikes out.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:17 am |
      • Cynic

        Don, how often do criminals steal the guns of law-abiding citizens?

        This shooting is news because such a shooting is rare. Why don't you suggest that we control automobiles more stringently? Many more people are killed by automobile than by gun.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:28 am |
      • mvg

        I agree that it is the PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY to teach their children right from wrong and proper gun handling procedures. My family has owned guns since before I was born and I can remember that even at 3 years old I could look at the weapons in the gun cabinet (not lockable) but not touch them unless an adult was present and gave me permission. We were all taught that guns are NOT toys. I NEVER took any of those weapons out of the cabinet or to school. My family would have figuratively killed me.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
      • Charlton Heston

        Law abiding citizens are only law abiding until they pick up a gun and shoot somebody for some stupid reason. The law abiding citizen argument is smoke screen propaganda by the NRA.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
      • GunLaws

        Funny how gun nut jobs go on and on about how gun laws or restrictions wont make a diff...

        But .. when we look at it. The other countries like UK etc who are strict have WAY WAY WAY less gun violence then us.
        So... how can u say it wont do a thing.. when its been proven OVER AND OVER it does..

        February 28, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
      • Bill

        I agree with a good portion of your comments but there comes with all these guns everywhere a kick-ass mentality all too often on the part of the parents who are the gun owners. Their parenting technique probably goes along the same lines. We also assume that they know enough about proper firearm use to keep them secure...I suspect in most cases they likely don't! I also wonder to what extent these gun owners are liable for the harm caused by their weapons; we may need to get something done to insure this. I also wonder if the school teachers and others are observing/evaluating, even informally, a kid's visible "mental stability" – the way they do about impropper dress, etc., this might help since often these kids have plenty of signals that there's potential problems brewing. Just some random thoughts. Another sad event.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
      • StevenR

        Keep your guns in the safe while you are gone. Take them out when you get home. Simple. You make the CHOICE to own a gun, you keep it safe. If you lose it and someone uses it in a crime, YOU SHOULD DO THE TIME.

        I am ALL for RESPONSIBLE gun ownership.

        I have just NEVER seen it.

        February 28, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
      • toxictown

        I mostly agree w/the anti-gun ban folks...mostly. Law abiding gun owners are not the problem (usually) BUT...there are an awful lot of guns floating around out there. There has to be a way to reduce that number and keep better track of things so they don't end up in the wrong hands. Guns are easy and make impulsive violence easy. Yes, the UK does not have much gun violence but they have an awful lot of knife (and boot) violence. Humans are violent and will use the tools at hand.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
      • BelgianWoman

        Law abiding citizens don't need guns. Guns for "self defence" are useless: more lifes are taken by guns bought for "self-defence" than saved. Do you really think a burglar, who always comes unexpected, will give you the time to go and get your gun? You could only get it quickly when you have it next to your bed, loaded. But then again, that is why so many "accidents" happen with guns. Almost every day, we read about children killing other children in the US with daddy's loaded gun. And a teenager who wants to cause a bloodbath in a school can only make lots of victims with a gun; with a knife, you could never make that much victims before being stopped. "Guns don't kill, people do" is a lame excue: many killings and murders would not happen if the killer didn't have a gun at his disposal.

        February 28, 2012 at 7:02 pm |
    • S.R

      You are right the 1% create jobs in foreign country's so they can build there already inflated bank accounts while ruining this country from the ground up!!! Mitt has never worked a real job in his pampered life. He doesn't compare with the working man.....he couldn't take it!!!

      February 28, 2012 at 10:25 am | Reply
    • jal

      Companies would rather outsource than take initiative in creating a healthy work environment. The "job creators" are casting judgement on everyone, but themselves for creating a unhealthy work environment. What do they care, just find them "yes men" that will use violence in the middle of no-where. This way it wont make the headlines.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
      • Barry G.

        Let's face it–

        The US is the number one producer of arms (weapons),
        our children watch so much TV and video games (much of which is filled with violence),
        and our legislators serve the interests of the lobbyists, who represent the arms industry,
        rather than represent the interest s of the people they have sworn to serve and protect!

        February 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Tammie

      I've got two words for you....GUN CONTROL. Duh!!!! I am so lucky to live in Canada 🙂

      February 28, 2012 at 10:44 am | Reply
      • infonomics

        Now, now, O'Canadian, don't forget about your serial murder the pig farmer and the Greyhound bus-riding decapitator, just to name a few.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:41 am |
      • set

        Yes, so very lucky:

        February 28, 2012 at 11:44 am |
      • kls817

        If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Duh

        February 28, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
      • kls817

        Yes you are lucky to live in Canada. You don't have to pay for a military, and you can relax knowing that if a foreign country tries to invade you, then big brother USA will come to your rescue.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
      • StevenR

        Gun control is not a ban. Just TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. You right-wing gun nuts are all about personal responsibility when it is SOMEBODY ELSE. Now YOU take responsibility. If your gun gets used in a crime, YOU DO THE TIME.

        February 28, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
      • DAT

        Kls817 – And if widgets are outlawed, only outlaws will have widgets. See how truly meaningless that old saying is?

        February 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
      • BelgianWoman

        "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns": true. But when they know you don't have a gun, they will be less eager to kill you with their gun. An armed criminal only gets really dangerous when he's facing an armed victim. So, when I hear a burglar come into our house, I try to call 911 and if that's not possible, hide under the sheets and pretend I'm sleeping. But NO WAY I would wave a gun in the face of an armed burglar! Remember: those who live by the sword, will perish by the sword. This is also true for guns, as we can read daily in articles about shootings in the US, where even little children kill each other with daddy's gun.

        February 28, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
      • Tracey Vance

        Your right Tammy, we are very lucky to live in a place where I don't have to worry about my children's friends shooting them with there parents gun. To reply to the pig farmer. We have a couple of serial killers where as you have hundreds. To the person who mentioned our military. The only reson why were in Afganistan is to help you. We have never had to ask anyone to fight our battles. We are a peaceful neighbourhood living next door to trailer trash.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
      • USNoBrainers

        To kis817 first of all Canada never needed the BigAmerica as you called it. US always asked Canada to support them in their war and invasion in other countries. We don't need US to help us but you need us. Since WWI. and secondly the reason for all those shooting in US is americans always had a problem to control their anger, you people will need to control your anger and also need yo know how to mind your own business. That would make a huge favor to a lot of Countries around the world. And don't come telling me that we didn't had any mass shooting in Canada, yes we had, in the last 100 years probably not more than 10. But in US just in the last 10 years you people had hundreds of them.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
      • Jim34

        We also have a trade surplus with you Americans. Keep buying our oil.

        February 29, 2012 at 12:44 am |
    • Pat

      WHY? Perhaps it's because of our wonderful christian evangelical NRA gun culture of hatred and bigotry and macho crap that's propagated by hypocritical politicians and greedy pastors.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
      • Dominique

        so true.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
      • steven


        February 28, 2012 at 4:47 pm |


      February 28, 2012 at 10:50 am | Reply
      • Cynic

        Why do you have to shout to get your point across?

        February 28, 2012 at 11:29 am |
      • Dance This Mess Around



        Husband and father of five.....and you cant even spell "friend" ?
        Why do i think you are 8 years old ?

        February 28, 2012 at 11:34 am |
      • TheMovieFan

        Turn the Caps Lock off.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
      • theoldchief

        It's very telling that people would respond to this comment with criticism. This is one of the things that aggravates the problem highlighted in the article; people would rather condemn than try to understand. As a result we end up in confrontation. Our "role models" in life – teachers, parents, political leaders – are missing in action. The very people who should help us to understand one another and to build social skills, are guilty of derilection of duty. What are we left with? Hollywood, TV, video games, and socially-inept friends, relatives, neighbors, and classmates. Growing up in this cynical world has become very lonely and scary.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
      • TJ

        Listen to theoldcheif.....

        February 28, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • Rizzo

      if it wasnt guns , it be pipe bombs , or knifes , please egt off teh gun kick . Guns protect

      February 28, 2012 at 10:58 am | Reply
      • Sarah

        I'm surprised you looked away from Fox news long enough to type that!

        February 28, 2012 at 11:37 am |
      • ardeerd

        Rizzo – nice line, stopped shining your guns to type this while waiting for someone to trepass on your property to let them have it. Small minded people like yourself love guns, thus, America has a rate of violence more than 10 times that of any other developed civilized nation on earth.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
      • wolfman

        I guess it's the Republican way of population control since contraceptives are so anti-religious.
        Here's your new slogan "More guns and less pills and condoms" ! Is that mindless enough for you?

        February 28, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
      • StevenR

        Here is my line:

        If your gun is used in a crime, YOU GO TO PRISON.


        February 28, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
      • steven

        BS. That is the biggest false logic. If the criminals have two guns ... then I need more .... etc. BS. If all guns had to be stored in a vault at the police station and then checked out to use for hunting, and then back in after hunting, maybe we could control gun use.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
      • Philomenas

        Something is deeply wrong in the USA soiciety. Kids, Dogs and drunk know it.
        Time for somebody to listen or not

        February 28, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • badteachers

      It's 21 century, it's not 19 century, It's not Wild West, need to be changed,
      NO Sympathy

      February 28, 2012 at 10:59 am | Reply
    • Schools are lawless

      There is also the first grader that stabbed kids with a syringe. The kids that try to poison the teachers soda cans and tell the principal "yes we were trying to kill her." The kindergartner that stabbed class mates with scissors. The kid that exposed himself to the class in first grade, in second grade, in third grade... he's all grown up in jail now.
      Teachers are alone in a classroom with 15 to 30 kids. ALONE
      If a child gets stabbed with scissors, does the teacher provide immediate medical attention to the hurt child, try to physically disarm the attacker (with "appropriate force" of course), or run down the hall calling for help?
      Kids are socially mandated to be separated from their parents, go to a government run facility that provides little to no security, put in a class room with juveniles who are not held accountable for any violence they commit. Special ed students cannot be expelled for fighting. NCLB. Just suspension, a day off to put those knuckles on ice and get ready for the next opportunity to pound someone.
      That is why no one is shocked or confused when they see movies and TV shows depicting bullying or kids with guns in schools.
      Its common. Its there every day. Like the socks your spouse won't put in the laundry hamper. You look away, sometimes get annoyed, but do nothing.

      February 28, 2012 at 11:02 am | Reply
      • teacher

        What's worse, that I learned recently, is that special ed kids can file for and get their expulsions expunged from their records. This means a kid has done something serious enough to get thrown out of a district, he gets only two weeks out, his record gets expunged, he goes into a new room, school and district. The teacher and kids have no right to know that he was expelled nor what he did so they can watch out for it. Do you know what it takes to get expelled these days? And we have no right to know? Not safe.

        February 28, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
      • teacher

        And 15-30 kids? I have between 26 (this is considered a 'remedial small group' ) and 39 depending on the time of day.

        February 28, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
      • Toshi

        Many of the concerns that you express are due to unfortunate budgeting issues. If the school systems had more money then they would be able to have more manageable classroom sizes. Which would make it easier to control those rare (few and far between) kids who are behavior problems. You are not mandated to put your child in a government building, there is home schooling, or many private or charter options in most parts of the country. Finally, most of the kids who are offenders are NOT in special education, those are the kids who are getting some mental health support. It is the mainstream kids with the behavior problems and the chronic victims that do not get the mental health support that they need, likely because of lack of mental health availability in the schools or parents who have blinders on.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:08 pm |
    • bilderberg zakaria

      more guns
      less prescription dugs

      February 28, 2012 at 11:13 am | Reply
      • conservative values?

        Fewer guns, total accountability of the permit holder and access to healthcare for those who need it.

        I can smell the conservative stink coming right out of your post, bilderberg. I'm not a liberal either. I'm a rational.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
      • Tony Bowling

        Totally agree. Guns don't kill people. People on mind altering meds with guns kill people. Proven time and time again.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
      • Conner Mentall

        Please give me grenades and land mines. Why can't I have those too for protection???

        February 28, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • Q

      It's cause there aint enough guns and there are too many laws.....TEAMERICA

      February 28, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
      • gar

        Yep, just what we need... more guns. Everyone should own at least a dozen...

        February 28, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Hot Carl

      Don't blam guns, blame stupid inbred parents who don't keep their guns LOCKED.
      Whoooo-hooooo! We're #1! We're #1! Ha ha ha, take THAT China! Looooooosers!

      February 28, 2012 at 12:28 pm | Reply
    • joe

      You never see a massacre at a gun show, do you? Columbines and Virginia Techs will continue to occur as long as responsible, sane adults are not allowed to carry guns on school grounds. One or two armed faculty or staff members could have saved dozens of lives at VT. We have let politicians decide that the Second Amendment doesn't apply at school, and as long as that is allowed to stand, criminals, terrorists, and crazy people will take advantage of "victim disarmament zones" to commit mayhem. Remember ... when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

      February 28, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Reply
      • Lyntoon

        Bang, bang, bang! The Wild West lives yet!

        February 28, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
      • StevenR

        Get real. More guns equals safer? You must be INSANE.

        February 28, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
      • toxictown

        Yes, people (who have prob never taken a basic gun safety/target course) firing at will in enclosed public spaces is an excellent idea! How come you are not king of everything!!!

        February 28, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
      • Earnan M

        "Lyntoon" and "StevenR" are the onsane ones here.

        There are more guns on American streets today than ever before. Millions of ordinary people are carrying concealed pistols every day thanks to "shall issue" permit laws in 40 states. And the violent crime rate is DOWN, not up.

        The murder rate in the US is at its LOWEST in decades. DOWN over 52% since the 1990s, despite a roll-back of gun control laws at the Federal level and in almost all of the states.

        Gun accidents are at an all time record LOW.

        MORE guns and LESS crime. Not a theory: a FACT.

        February 29, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • JSMAN

      This was a very well written article. In response to all the people on this post, however, I wanted to add my two cents to the gun control issue. I agree that EASY access to guns is part of the problem, but someone already broke the law by allowing that kid to have a handgun as he was under 21. Unless the real issues are addressed, talking about gun control in this context is meaningless. The real tragedy here is the breakdown of the family (this child's in particular). If we need something to cry about, cry about the effect of post-modernism on our children. When children are brought into a world with no moral code and no hope, you end up with this. Before you go ranting on about how we need to eliminate guns in this country, look in the mirror and ask yourself what have you done to provide the next generation with a reason for living past perpetuating American capitalism.

      February 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Reply
      • SadWorld

        I could not have said it better myself. There is little accountability in today's society. Kids run amuck with no respect for authority. Parents, on the other hand, are too busy keeping up with the Jones' to care about what bothers their children most of the time. They would rather buy them the latest gadget then to sit down and spend quality time. We are a society dominated by instant gratification, brand names and the superficial lives of celebrities. When you can't keep up with what society deems popular, you fall behind and end up being bullied and victimized. We need to go back to simpler times.

        February 28, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • Anonymous

      You idiots are babbling over gun laws and children are dying. Disgusting

      February 28, 2012 at 12:49 pm | Reply
      • JOSE0311USMC


        February 28, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
      • Toshi

        Where is the mental health support for these kids, before they fall apart?

        February 28, 2012 at 10:12 pm |
    • theoldchief

      Lack of access to weapons is NOT the key, and gun control is NOT the answer. The "key" is responsilbility and accountability. As I said in an earlier post, our "role models" in life – teachers, parents, political leaders – are missing in action. The very people who should help us to understand one another and to build social skills, are guilty of derilection of duty. What are we left with? Hollywood, TV, video games, and socially-inept friends, relatives, neighbors, and classmates. Growing up in this cynical world has become very lonely and scary, and violence like this will continue until we ALL take responsibility as social animals that must coexist, and be held accountable to one another for the things we do here at the top of the food chain.

      February 28, 2012 at 12:52 pm | Reply
      • Charlton Heston

        Great idea! Let's pass a law that requires people to be more responsible!! That would be a lot easier than regulating gun sellers.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
      • Tony Bowling

        It is interesting that a Psych wrote this article because his type are likely the cause of this: Nearly every school shooting and other seemingly motiveless group shooting has two very distinct factors: The obvious one is guns are available but the key one is that the shooter is on or has recently been on mind controlling medications. Not street drugs. Something given to "help" the person. You will either see this info in the initial report or later on at the trial or something. It may even be "he was diagnosed as having ADD" which nearly always means he/she was put on meds.

        February 28, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Time Bomb

      As to the argument that if we took guns away from citizens only the criminals would have them, what do the criminals in other countries with stricter gun laws use? I do not see any evidence that their citizens are being killed or put helplessly in harms way any more than we are here in America (and I am talking about countries with similar lifestyles and socio-economic status as the US, like the UK, not countries such as Afghanistan that are not truly comparable). The lack of guns in those countries hasn't resulted in their law-abiding citizens being sitting ducks, as the pro-gun argument would have you believe. I also find it somewhat ironic that people who might otherwise take any possible measure to ensure that a fetus doesn't get aborted won't take any possible measure to make sure a born child isn't shot to death.

      February 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Reply
      • toxictown

        Humans are violent monkeys and will use what is at hand so..in countries w/o guns it will be knives, machetes, sticks, etc...Guns however, do make it quick and effective (you can take out more at once that you can w/a knife). However, we have a "cat out of the bag" scenario in the US in that there are piles of existing weapons already deployed. Even if all gun manufacture and import ended tomorrow, there would still be plenty to go around for the forseeable future.

        February 28, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • SoundSmart

      As a Russian with substantial US experience I'd say one word:


      Their availability also affect the "culture".

      Not "violent computer games"...

      Not "mental illnesses" etc...

      It started with CULTURE some 200 years ago. But then GUNS' availability started affecting the culture. Now it's all intermixed.


      No one needs a HANDGUN for "hunting" – it's USELESS against ducks and dears. People use RIFLES and SHOTGUNS (19th century style) for hunting in Russia and the rest of the world – those are more than adequate to take a dear or moose down. Not something you can conceal in your freaking pocket! Go figure...

      The handgun was designed to kill PEOPLE. (Come on! How may "sudden bear or tiger attacks" does the average human have to sustain per year? Just common sense.)

      February 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Reply
      • Earnan M

        Russia has a higher rate of violent crime and murder than the US.

        The murder rate in Russia is 15 per 100,000 persons. More than THREE TIMES AS HIGH as the 4.7 per 100,000 in the US last year.

        Whatever Russia is doing, it's not anything we want here.

        February 29, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Richard White

      Sirs: I believe the statement on "Why..." American schools lead in shooting crimes... etc. is very misleading. The Madras schools and the policies of Arab countries controlled by Muslim policies kill more students by far than the "nut cases" in America. If you wish to gather the statistics in Afganistan, and several remote areas in Pakistan, you'll find "official" slaughter of any progressive schools teaching in the "Western tradition". So, I don't believe you... PERIOD.

      February 28, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Reply
      • Dan

        Did you even read the article? He's referring to school shootings that are carried out by psychologically disturbed teens not religious nut jobs.

        February 28, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
      • situationalawareness

        @Dan: Same deal, just a different name for the same issue.

        March 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Barry G.

      Hey, I wonder whether the fact that the US is number one in such shootings has anything to do with the fact that the US is the number one producer of arms (weapons), whether it has anything to do with the fact that our children watch so much TV (much of which is filled with violence), and whether , and whether it has anything to do with the fact that our legislators serve the interests of the lobbyists, who represent the arms industry, rather than represent the interest s of the people they have sworn to serve and protect!

      February 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm | Reply
    • americangirl

      because anglos have a gene in them that predisposes them to mass murders....

      February 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Reply
      • Earnan M

        African-American males commit over half of the murders in the US.

        Does that mean Blacks have a gene that predisposes a very great number of them to murder people? Is it better if they're only killing one or two people at a time?

        February 29, 2012 at 9:45 am |
      • situationalawareness

        America != Anglos

        Wipe that thought out of your mind.

        March 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Chole

      You can, but it would cost more.

      February 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm | Reply
    • Tom

      Because we have too many guns and too many cowboys. No guns = No gun violence. It is mathematically perfect and factually correct. When are the 85% of the country not fascinated with guns going to reign the children (gunners and the NRA) in?

      February 28, 2012 at 1:13 pm | Reply
      • situationalawareness

        That's a conceited and narrow point of view. Actually, that's a disarming point of view. Whether you want it or not, the very reason for weaponry held by civilians is for protection. It wasn't until the 20th century that the concept of owning weapons only for hunting purposes even came into existence. (yes, I realize you didn't mention the hunting aspect, I figured I'd nip that in the bud before it became a conversation piece)

        There is no "LOL OMG liek do xyz and it fixez everything!!!~@ duhh!~!~@" approach to this. In fact, it's so many miniscule things that have changed, and I nor you can put our hands on one aspect that controls it all.

        That being said, since I can count the number of school shootings that have occurred in America in the last 20 years, and the fact that America's population count is 450 million, I'm thinking it's a fine tuning and not a crowed mass hysteria.

        March 1, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • Jake

      Blame the inanimate object, don't blame the parents who kept firearms somewhere that could be accessed without their knowledge by a mentally disturbed 15-year-old.

      February 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm | Reply
    • Chris

      Your gun laws DUH!!!!! aw Americans...so dumb.

      February 28, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
    • Allyssa Sue Warberg

      Remember. Guns don't kill people – the reported death of those children is a fabrication of the liberal news media. As the NRA crime lobby keeps telling us, the solution is not to remove the guns from the hands of children, it is to arm all children so they can defend themselves.

      February 28, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Reply
      • Patrick

        Yea just like the little 10 year old girl that was killed by her class mate using only her fists. D*m guns!

        February 28, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Upset Voter

      There is not a politician in the world who does as much for society as an engineer. All politicians provide is hot air and we already have enough global warming. BTW ... As much as I am disappointed with President Obama, the last administration thought it was good that our largest export is jobs. The economy was in collapse as they left because they ignored it.

      February 28, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Reply
    • GvH

      The headline is almost as stupid is our nation's obsession with guns. The NRA will spin this like they always do...but they aren't sticking up for your liberties, it is all about money. How can anyone sleep – that supports the rabid proliferation of guns in this country – when there are literally thousands of victims who die because of this ridicuous situation. My heart goes out to those families and friends who have lost a loved one.

      February 28, 2012 at 2:24 pm | Reply
    • AmericaIdiot

      Swiss are 2nd in gun ownership. Yes. You forgot to mention the 2:1 ratio in ownership. We have more guns by a HUGE margin.

      February 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
    • Vijay

      Simple Reason : Gun Gun Gun Gun Gun

      February 28, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Reply
    • boink

      mitt romney will ask his nascar team owner friends what to do... santorum will declare schools forced education against the bible and newt will push for more shootings so kids will quit school and get a job

      February 28, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Reply
    • chris

      because guns are availible and bullies are targets !!! i say survival of the fittest , and the bullies are the weak ones !!!!

      February 28, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
    • JMS

      The Truth About School Violence is a good book that talks about all the different components rather than blaming any one facet.

      February 28, 2012 at 2:52 pm | Reply
    • Joey Boy

      It all comes down to one thing – the moral decline of society.

      February 28, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Reply
    • tough call...

      Are you being sarcastic, or are you just plain looney?

      PS, consider apostrophes...

      February 28, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Reply
    • Way Out There

      You realize many politicians that are members of that 1% that are making decisions to rule your life are Democrats?

      February 28, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Reply
    • miss.lyd

      This is an answer to all the replies and not only to jal. Go to YouTube. Type "CARMAN" and listen to his song "AMERICA AGAIN". I hope that that song will answer many questions that are wirling around

      February 28, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • historiansreality

      As someone who lived through Columbine, I will tell you its not because of bullying, or guns. People will always kill each other. But America leads in this category for one reason: 0 tolerance policies. Kids are punished excessively for school fights; 30 years ago, you would have 2 kids throw down in the gymnasium, and after it was over, you would shake hands and disregard your differences. Now...kids feel helpless, because if they fight back, they are arrested. We have raised our kids to be a bunch of sissy's who cant stand up for themselves without government intervention. THE GOVERNMENT IS TO BLAME. PROZAC AND THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES WHO FUND DRUGS WHO DRIVE PEOPLE INSANE ARE TO BLAME.

      February 28, 2012 at 4:08 pm | Reply
      • Gutienbauer

        seems like your traumatic experience left some permanent damage. I'd advice a psych consultation..

        March 4, 2012 at 1:14 am |
      • historiansreality

        Now that right there folks, was an intelligent comment.^^^^^^Everyone look above^^^^ we have a true scholar right here. Grow up.

        April 19, 2012 at 2:48 am |
      • Jeraldine Rhodes

        I've read this months ago, and this comment is the only thing that I can wholly agree with on WHY this keeps happening.

        December 18, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • Monti


      It's the guns. Here you go "responsible" gun owners. How about IF YOU DO NOT SECURE YOUR GUN AND IT GETS USED IN A CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME.

      I am SICK AND TIRED of idiotic gun owners saying "I left it on the coffee table and it got stolen so I am not responsible". YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE! Keep your G.D. guns OUT OF THE HANDS OF CHILDREN AND CRIMINALS OR YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.

      I am all for RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP, I just have NEVER SEEN IT!


      How many of your friends that hang out with you at the Tofu bar are gun owners? Sounds like you know nothing of gun owners. Myself, I am a Liberal who owns guns. it is easy to hate what you fear and do not understand and use it as a scapegoat.

      February 28, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Reply
      • Vergil

        So by that token, if your car is stolen and used by a drunk driver to hit a bus full of school children killing half, you should be punish to the same extent as the driver since you did not do enough to secure your car. "But I locked it". Did you put a steering wheel locking device on it? Did you put a tire boot locking device on it? No? Then you could have done more. What if one of your kids take a kitchen knife and guts the bully at school? Should you be held responsible since you allow you child access to the deadly weapon? how about when your little Timmy snags the full bottle of ibuprofen since his little girlfriend has been having headaches and she take too many and her liver fails and she dies? The possibilities are endless. Raise your kids to have respect and have compassion or their fellow humans. Case closed not FO!

        February 28, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
      • situationalawareness

        Since strawman analogies are abound I ask you this: if I hack into your computer and transfer money from another persons bank account into an offshore account with the use of said computer, are you responsible?
        Yes, it has quite a bit of similarity, since you need to learn how to keep your computer safe and secure yet accessible.

        March 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Southern Jaw

      I agree with that! Mitt's the pitt.

      And given that we don't give teens permission to drive cars without a license, why not license teens before they can "drive" a gun to school or anywhere for that matter? See a kid with a gun, hey where's your license? Then duck.

      February 28, 2012 at 4:37 pm | Reply
    • kl

      another liberal hack who will never get it. Blame guns and everything else but failing to recognize the truth. CNN and their like (liberal democrats) have been for taking prayer and sound Biblical principles away from our kids for 40 years.. you now are reaping what you sow. you laugh all you want to but when Jesus comes back you will see the Son of God in all his glory.

      February 28, 2012 at 5:14 pm | Reply
      • situationalawareness

        whoa.. buddy.. what?

        easy... we're talking about real world things here, let's not get all nutty. btw, liberal != anti-gun.

        March 1, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • 4peas

      All of these issues can be found in other developed societies, except the access to guns. It is the single obvious reason this happens. I have lived in a number of countries and the US is unique in this respect. The parents of these kids take no responsibility; they are not accountable. The other day a 3rd grader in Texas brought a loaded gun to school. Nothing will happen to the parents. What is wrong with these people?

      February 28, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Reply
      • JP

        One more thing, Americans love their guns and are addicted to violence. Watch the boob tube, it's like the Roman games broadcast 24 hours a day. Look at the movie heroes, from singing cowboys to the latest gun toting macho men. The society is so steeped in it they can't see life without it, some posters here equate anti gun posters as being weak. Sad to stay but stupidity is going to keep America from any change anytime soon, we're just a step above those cultures who shoot machine guns into the air at birthdays and weddings and if there were no laws against that I'm sure it would be happening in every city.

        March 1, 2012 at 9:38 am |
      • situationalawareness

        @JP: it's obvious you aren't American, nor have been in America. You're basing American culture and living from mainstream entertainment/television broadcasts.

        March 1, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Lew

      Love it.

      February 28, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Reply
    • Chad

      The problem is gun legislation. The supreme court has deemed that God gave us the right to own guns, just as the founding fathers deemed God gave us the right to own human beings. Flawed reasoning, flawed results.
      In civilized countries like Australia, when they have a single massacre, they outlaw guns, as they did in 1996. Problem solved.
      Until we as a culture decide that we need to get rid of all guns that are not used actively for hunting purposes, we will be condemned to this sort of horror.
      You can look for warning signs, do psychological analyses, you name it... until we take guns away, we will continue to see these headlines.
      Obviously there are occurrences that can be singled out in other countries, but I would imagine that America has more gun violence than the rest of our allies put together.

      February 28, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Reply
    • August

      Can we look at the involvement of parental units at home? Both Mom and Dad are working full time to pay bills and children have no guidance at home. This isnt a gun control problem. This is a problem with what is going on in America. Other countries dont have it this bad because other countries are there for their children. We just ignore them until something bad happens for the most part.

      February 28, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
    • Norm

      It's VERY simple.
      We've outlawed corporal punishment and now our children have nothing to fear.
      It can't get any simpler than that.
      Ask yourself when all of this kind of insane behavior started.

      February 28, 2012 at 5:44 pm | Reply
    • Food4Thought3

      President Obama is to blame.

      Actually, it is because gas prices are rising.

      Just kidding, it is because we don't have nationalized health care.

      Wow, it is fun to make completely irrelevant news the culprit.

      Enough blaming the 1%. After all, they're 1%. I bet you think the US would never have debt/deficit if it just had more money.

      February 28, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Reply
    • justice4sarah

      We are #1 because of 'ZERO Tolerance" These kids are so suppressed, this is the ONLY avenue left for them. DUH! Let them take it out back and settle the issues, like we did a few years ago. 9 out of 10 they will walk away renewed friends and the problem settled and no one is KILLED. Nothing will come of it but a few bumps and bruises. These idiot school officials are to BLAME for every child killed in schools, past, present and future.

      February 28, 2012 at 5:58 pm | Reply
      • Toshi

        OMG Sarah,
        I don't even know if your pathetic narrative deserves a response. Should we have the schools schedule a specific time of the day for fights with those we can't get along with or should they just be allowed to leave the classroom whenever they want to and go beat the tar out of each other?
        if anyone in school now days even gets bumped into or looked at the wrong way the parents are usually calling the principal before midnight demanding that the other kid be disciplined. Maybe our parenting and the examples that we set for our children in people skills and positive social interactions should be put under the microscope.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
      • justice4sarah

        No we should not, they did not do this years ago. The students took it upon themselves to handle this. But know they are suppressed to a point of bringing a GUN to school and KILLING each other. Now what was your comment in regards to my pathetic narrative?

        February 29, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Charlton Heston

      Why are there so many people who claim that knives are just as effective as guns? How do you kill somebody twenty feet away with a knife? This argument is always about "If you take away guns, they will use knives, or spatulas, or bats? So this 16 year old kid in Ohio and others like him are going to become expert knife throwers? Even if they could throw ten knives accurately in 20 seconds, they wouldn't do as much damage to skulls or torsos as a gun. Potential victims can hide behind a desk or even a window because the energy in a thrown knife is so much less than a bullet. Handheld knife attacks in a classroom could be easily defended by multiple people and running is an option too. Knives are nowhere near as effective as a gun unless you get the hand-held knife very close someone's body. It's a loosing argument, but gun lovers keep making it.

      February 28, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Reply
      • situationalawareness

        sigh.. knives are not the only choice. Actually, knives are better for close quarters combat than guns. There are a myriad of ways to kill large numbers of people at once. Handheld weapons are only one concept. Humans are weak, it's not hard... the problem is having the desire to do it. THAT is the problem.

        March 1, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
      • Marcos

        there are other effective method beside using knife and you don't even need guns.
        1.learned to drive your parent's car (in my city's car crashed record one SUV kill 15 people bystander)
        2.Molotov grenade. (ingredients only need unleaded fuel +bottle+handkerchief which are plenty available)
        3.Acid vial from the schools chemical lab (favorite weapon of some men in Mid East to destroy their wives' faces)
        4.the last one is Gas leaked bomb just need lighter and big wrench find the gas source in the school broke their pipe and light them up (boom)
        See no need guns and any fanciful weapon but can cause lot of victim and damage.
        I just saying that if people want to kill someone he/she will always find a way to it even without guns.

        March 2, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • mim

      Look at what is on TV and in the movies in this country. GUNS and violence.
      Look at how depression is treated – anti-depressants that create as side effects, anger, suicidal tendencies and violent behavior.

      These two factors say a lot about why America is on top for violence in and out of schools.

      February 28, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Reply
    • donald S.

      there number 1 in school shootings because...............duh america has to be the best at everything. Havnt you heard?

      babababababababababbaabbaba bird bird bird is the word!!!

      February 28, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Reply
    • smj

      The swiss people all have automatic weapons in their home. The children there are not shooting up the schools. If you own a gun, lock it up. Trigger locks, gun safe, whatever works. Its your gun, and there is some amount of responsibility there. If your child takes your gun and shoots up a school, well how did they get the gun? You cannot help stolen property, but you can control what is yours.

      February 28, 2012 at 6:50 pm | Reply
    • Bruce

      Countries with more gun controls have fewer problems with school shootings. This may not be a popular thing to say , but the truth is the truth. My father had hunting rifles and I'm not anti guns – however, we as country apparently don't try hard enough to keep them out of the hands of our kids. The owner of the gun used in this and any other shooting involving juveniles should go on trial with the under age shooter.

      February 28, 2012 at 6:52 pm | Reply
    • YouGuysAreNuts

      Most of you are crazy. Guns are not the problem. If every honest American carried they would be less crime. If you look at states that have implemented carry permits, as the number of permits goes up, the crime rate goes down. More innocent people are killed by carless and drunk drivers then by guns. I don't see anyone trying to ban alchol or stop giving drivers licenses to idiots.

      In America, everyone has the right to go to school no matter how many issues they have or how violent they are. If we kicked the bads kids out of school we would have less issues. If our schools focused on education instead of sports we would have less issues.

      If it were not for Americans with guns, the whole world would be speaking German. Guns are not the issue, bad people are the issue. If it wasn't a gun, it would be a knife, or a stick, or something else.

      Those of you from other countries that do not like us Americans, stop taking our money, military support, and stand on your own two feet. Maybe then we could we could afford more police offers and train out teaching staff better.

      February 28, 2012 at 7:08 pm | Reply
      • YoureIdiot

        We don't take your money, you are selling your oil and gas to other countries to make money, you're the one who takes ours. We stand on our feet, we don't use your military, you are on a constant search to which country you will invade next, and then you asked other countries to help supporting you. Wake up. No one needs you but you need help.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
    • simple

      All cases so far, children been on medication either ADD or Anti depression. do some research before you speak...

      February 28, 2012 at 7:29 pm | Reply
    • loverspoint

      Why is America #1 in school murders? well they are terrible in all basic forms of education compared to the rest of the world, so they strove to reach the goal of being #1 at something, so they chose something they are good at-murder.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Reply
    • James Oreilly

      Since we seem to be of opinion that guns are the reason, although having had them in the house and around the house as children and with children, I have never seen seen one get up and threaten anyone. This leads me to belive it sits more in the education and personal accountability area. If we are signaling out things, more people are killed by cars than guns, fire kills many as well. We should outlaw matches and automobiles just to be sure. But why stop there....

      February 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Reply
    • Pat

      I dunno...could it be that Jesus prefers having guns to revering young human lives? I mean, if santorum is right (pun) then young people should just be used for target practice since education is a "no-no". Haven't the catholic priests proved that point over and over?

      February 28, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Reply
    • trauma

      we have training issues. both men and women, but it shows up as a problem earlier for boys.


      February 28, 2012 at 9:56 pm | Reply
      • trauma

        and we aren't giving kids a language to deal with trauma.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • P. O. Carl

      Anger, plain and simple. Everyone is mad about something. Look how polarized the country is getting. There is no middle ground anymore. DC is the best example, or worst, depending on how you look at it.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:42 pm | Reply
    • CADCAM

      This has nothing to do with guns. It has to do with a kid who was bullied and cracked...If it wasn't a gun, it could have been a baseball bat, poison, kitchen knife, etc.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:50 pm | Reply
    • Steph

      It shocked me that this article stated the boys that were involved in the Columbine shooting, Dylan and Eric, were NOT bullied. I am hoping (and praying) that this was a huge typo because I know first hand that those boys were tortured day in and day out at the hands of several other students. No bullying will ever exscuse the act of killing, HOWEVER, to dismiss what those two went through, and to say that they just woke up one day hating the world is not only false, but just straight APPALLING! I read CNN news on a daily basis and it disgusts me that such a well known and well accredited journalist news source would post such a thing. Bullying is REAL. And kids around the U.S. are affected daily by the abuse of bullies. It is our lack of understanding and articles like this that truly keep the world of bullying go round.

      February 29, 2012 at 12:15 am | Reply
    • Ann

      Metal detectors should be installed at all schools with limited entrances and many exits...like the airports. Kids are at school to learn and should not have to wonder if the wierd, depressed, emo screamo guy next to him/her is packin'.

      But then I'm for school uniforms and school ending at 5pm. I know kids want to express themselves and all that crap but all it does is give better/cooler dressed kids more ammo to bully or tease. Plus the purple hair has to go...who can focus on a lecture with a guy wearing a purple mohawk sitting in front of you? Maybe I'm old fashioned or watched too much brady bunch or Ozzy and Harriet...but something needs to give. We are going backwards as a society...

      February 29, 2012 at 2:29 am | Reply
    • Isures

      Of the 10 worst, only 3 were in the U.S., and 3 were in Europe. You gave examples of Russia and Israel but those two incidents were perpetrated by external terrorists, while many of the U.S. incidents were perpetrated by students. This is a significant difference if you're asking why it happens.

      February 29, 2012 at 5:15 am | Reply
    • 13Directors

      Surely you jest. I mean, anyone with pea sized brain knows that Romney hasn't worked in years. His money works for him. He's living off his investments and stockpiling it under his wife's name and in non-taxable trust funds for his sons, who I might add look to be just about the right age to serve our country.

      February 29, 2012 at 9:42 am | Reply
    • David

      "Despite rumors to the contrary, the Columbine killers were not bullied."
      -Are you serious? Have you no knowledge whatsoever of the shooting? Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were both bullied that's why they targeted anyone wearing a white hat. Listen to the interviews given by the then-students of Columbine High School and you'll see very clearly that bullying/revenge was the motivating factor.

      February 29, 2012 at 9:43 am | Reply
      • desert voice (troubledgoodangel or Nathanael or Bohdan or Voiceinthedesert)

        I agree with David. The whole world had learned after Columbine that those perpetrators were bullied. Bullying is found all over the world. Let's start there. He who says no, is a liar. I was bullied in Communist Poland after World War Two ... by members of the Hitlerjugend admitted to my school after the war ended. I speak from experience.There is ione cause for bullying in peace time (war or prison time is different), and that is: lack of swift exemplary punishment! The authorities in schools have self-castrated! They need to respons not with lectures and seminars on bullying, but with an instant whipping on the bare ass of the bully caught, in front of the entire school! End of the story of bullying! No other remedy is possible in the world because of the fouled human nature. All "other" remedies will be "too little too late"!!

        March 1, 2012 at 4:47 am |
    • c6022

      Mitt Romney is a tool.

      February 29, 2012 at 10:07 am | Reply
    • TheMagusNYC

      What's this about Mitt Romney working? Did not see any evidence of wages on his tax forms.
      Perhaps you are referring to missionary, lobbying, or charitable activities?

      February 29, 2012 at 11:15 am | Reply
    • Mike Murphy

      Just another prime example of our famous "Gun-Free Zone". It happens to be a "Free Gun Zone" for those who choose to take advantage of the law. Why don't we get our heads out of the sand????? The law-abiding armed citizen is supposed to stand by and let this happen...where are the sheepdogs? I know where the sheople are...

      February 29, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Reply
    • melvinslizard

      Did any of the anti-gun nuts see the story about the 10 year old girl that died after getting into a fist fight with a classmate? 10 years old, 1 punch, 1 bloody nose, and she was dead before the day was thru. But guns are the problem, right? Where's your push to ban 10 year old kids?

      February 29, 2012 at 3:28 pm | Reply
    • billy

      my son was bullied today a bully got in his face and pushed him, the bully got punched in the stomach by my son. now my son is suspended and the bully gets no punishment cause the teachers didnt see nothing .how long can we make our children run to the teachers when being bullied and nothing be done about it, and when they finally get tired of it they defend there self and get suspended i think fighting back is the only way to prevent a biuld up over time of being bullied and then finally kids loose it and cant take it no more and lash out in a major way. im glad my son is defending his self cause the teachers arent doing enough. my son had fear of this boy but not anymore

      February 29, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Reply
    • Rob

      The answer is easy. Because the majority of people in this country have no education and mis-interpret the second amendment (including the majority of the supreme farce). Individuals are NOT a militia for crap's sake. We still think it's the 1800's wild west.

      February 29, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Reply
    • peter

      Anti-gun commenters: if you had a gun, would you go shoot someone? Answer should be no, therefore the ownership of guns isn't the issue. If you didn't care about other people, desperately wanted to rob someone, had no fear of God, etc would you shoot someone? Probably yes, and so those are the reasons. But, how to the "non likey to shoot someone" people protect them selves from the other? I don't know. Did people go on shooting rampages in the 50's? How are we changing that this is becoming more common?

      February 29, 2012 at 7:50 pm | Reply
    • Sandy L

      These students have mental problems & they need to be addressed before they act out & kill. We need to have guns less available to students.
      What's wrong with our education system that we aren't made more aware of our students mental states????

      March 1, 2012 at 8:53 am | Reply
    • DG

      What is with Americans and their guns? If your spineless politicians would stand up to the NRA and get some tough gun control laws passed, maybe kids wouldn't be killing each other at school. Also, your 2nd amendment uses the phrase " a well regulated militia" – to me that could be the National Guard. Nowhere does it say that its citizens need semi and full automatic weapons in their hall closets.

      March 2, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Reply
      • Last of the Jedi

        Go live in Iran.Hitler took away Germany's guns and look what happend.

        March 5, 2012 at 1:16 am |
    • Havildar

      It is simple in the USA groups like the NRA,armed militia's in every State and the Worship of the misguided Second amendment has lead to wholesale slaughter in our Rural, City, streets homes, schools etc. The death toll is higher than in any other Nation on Earth. Yet the "spineless legislators" in the states and congress are afraid to act in a responsible manner when it comes to the wholesale easy availability of firearms on every street corners. Sue the members of Congress and the NRA for the lose of loved ones.

      March 3, 2012 at 10:11 am | Reply
    • cocopuf

      We are a product of our environment which teaches kids that if it feels good, do it. Also, we teach our kids that we came from apes as you see so often by National Geographic on TV. What do you expect from kids when we show them all this violence on TV, and even a lot of games.

      The moment we have taken our creator out of the equation of life and purpose in our lives in schools, morals and responsibility has gone down the tube.

      March 3, 2012 at 10:28 am | Reply
    • Prettygal

      Everyone-send your kids to Catholic school, if you want them to be safe. We are not Catholic, but our child is going to a Catholic school where he is protected. You don't have to be Catholic! Plus you get a great education.

      March 3, 2012 at 5:51 pm | Reply
    • Bloooper1

      Gun are not the first problem. I happens at schools !!!!
      Apparently something is wrong in schools. Maybe 'Chrstian' limited scope of vision triggers individuals to feel outcast.
      (so will all religion visions do by the way) Should teachers not teach to think and reflect/question youngsters and not tell them what they 'have' to accept ? I don't mean they are capable of seeing (whatever) truth. But shouldn't they as an individual have the right to think about it freely (not unlimited however; respect for the other is essential) ? Wasn't that something we did not like ourselves at the time ?
      Today, teachers in Europa are increasingly telling how the world is functionning. First of all the don't know just the alpha of it, seccond they get alle easily from journalists who think Rome ias the capital fo Spain. I am a master-professor and I know that students don(t even know who Mao, Stali, Napoleon or others serials were ..

      March 3, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Reply
    • Ben

      The problem with your silly analogy is that both Romney and the "electrical engineer" work harder in one day than ANY of your so-called occupy protestors. And, as someone who works 60 hours a week as he tries to get into the 1%, we are sick of your laziness and paying for your inactivity.

      March 4, 2012 at 10:21 am | Reply
    • COWBOY

      I am a firm believer in "TRAINING", the child should be trained not only at school, but also by the responsible parents-this is a MUST. The child or student must be made of all reprocutions of their actions but also those actions that DON'T require such force and how to impliment them into a situation.

      March 4, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Reply
    • jon

      Actually, I doubt if Mitt does much of anything daily. Probably just planning his new 10 million dollar house in La Jolla, CA. Nice.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Reply
  2. Bocknobby

    Many factors responsible, as the article states. But I still believe that too many Americans believe the way to deal with a problem is violence, and the fastest problem-solving option is a firearm. Television and cinema too often promote the notion that, to deal with a problem, bring a weapon. And don't be afraid to use it. Ask questions later.

    February 28, 2012 at 7:49 am | Reply
    • InkMot

      @Bocknobby: It's interesting that you perceive that movies and television present guns as "the fastest problem-solving option". My experience with movie and television storytelling is closer to the opposite. It seems to me that, whenever a dangerous situation might be quickly ended by the protagonist simply pulling the trigger on the gun in his hand, he chooses not to do so, is prevented from doing so or the weapon is otherwise shown to be ineffective. The story then proceeds with the antagonist eventually being dispatched by some complex innovation. It seems to me that movies and television more often attempt to show guns as useless.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:25 am | Reply
      • Drowlord

        You don't pay much attention to movies. While it's true that the primary antagonist in most movies gets away over and over again, there are always plenty of henchmen to sponge up the lead.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:39 am |
      • nerve9

        @InkMot Are you kidding me? What movies are you watching!?

        February 28, 2012 at 9:55 am |
    • Mark

      Nonetheless, it still remains that people do not seem to know how to solve problems without violence AND they have typically resorted to firearms. We can debate this a hundred ways – it's still someone becoming unhinged, for whatever reasons, grabbing a gun, and killing innocent bystanders. Every time, all the time. THAT is the problem

      February 28, 2012 at 9:33 am | Reply
      • Drowlord

        "People don't know how to handle problems without violence and they typically resort to using guns?" You are aware of the reality that gun violence is incredibly rare, right? I live in a suburb of Dallas with 250,000 people, and in a typical year we have 3 murders and 20 assaults in our entire town. And Dallas is a pretty gun-happy place. You're utterly delusional if you believe the USA is a place where people resort to violence to deal with problems, and typically use a gun, shooting bystanders every time.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:51 am |
      • nerve9

        @drowlord You need to get out more. Gun violence in this country is something like 100x higher than in most other first world countries. Just because your neighborhood doesn't have a lot of gun violence doesn't mean other areas don't. I live in a major city and we have shooting DAILY.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:58 am |
      • Ben

        I rent duplexes to college-aged kids. They don't pay rent, lie, destroy property and then, when called on the carpet and given the slightest consequence, redouble their destruction of property. The guns/shootings are merely a symptom. The problem is how these children and their parents were raised by the baby boomers.

        March 4, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • Sarah

      I agree completely. And, we have waaaaayyyy too many guns in this country.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:32 am | Reply
    • captain!

      Jean Luc Picard for President! Diplomacy and teamwork win the day, not violence. It helps to have phasers and photon torpedoes if needed, however.

      February 28, 2012 at 12:16 pm | Reply
    • boink

      so according to you only americans watch movies..... do u think about things sentence by sentence as u write them?

      February 28, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • mim

      You're on it.

      February 28, 2012 at 6:04 pm | Reply
  3. Lamb

    Our government frequently and openly advocates the use of force in conflict resolution. When kids see that the politicians they admire have no trouble justifying the use of force on someone they dislike, they take note.

    February 28, 2012 at 8:41 am | Reply
    • smartaz

      Kids don't admire politicians. Most kids can tell you who the President is, but I doubt many can tell you who their own state representatives are.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:36 am | Reply
    • RustyWheels

      I don't think anyone admires any politician. But you're right about one thing. We have a lot of war mongers in the Republican party in Washington that want to bomb or invade every nation under the sun.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:42 am | Reply
      • Russell

        indeed, obama bombing libya, drone killing kids in pakistan, and now wanting to invade syria. God bless the peaceful obomber

        March 1, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • ardeerd

      Guns – The United States of America has a massive problem with guns. Violent crime in the USA is greater than that of almost the entire civilzed world. ALL other civilized nations on planet earth are completely puzzled by this love of guns in the USA.
      A politician CANNOT get elected in the USA by advocating gun control. Until Americans step up and admit this bizarre RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS rules their country, expect more of the same.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:48 am | Reply
      • ForGoodOfAll

        Sad but true, ardeerd! Violent school shootings and attacks on innocent citizens continue to threaten society. Gun shows that sell guns and ammo are everywhere, about as popular as flea markets these days. My family does not own guns, but I do not condemn those families that do own guns and keep them properly locked up. I blame the ignorant people that do not responsibly lock up their guns and ammo to keep the weapons out of the hands of children and the mentally incapacitated. I also blame government for being too lax in selling guns to people of questionable sanity and morals. More in-depth background checks requiring longer wait periods to receive firearms must be enforced. I know how riled up pro-gun people get about stricter gun control, but as a parent with kids in school, I worry about some bullied, neurotic & fed-up kid storming into my children's school with a loaded firearm because he/she wants retaliation.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • boink

      however fox news has no rating on it. so when a sponge minded kid sits in front of fox news and every 5 minutes gets drilled into their head that everyone against them is a nazi etc etc etc they leave the room thinking of ice cream and lollipops

      February 28, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Reply
  4. Fair Taxes

    Maybe America is No. 1 in School Shootings because America is No. 1 in allowing people to own and carry guns? Duh?

    Clearly, this idea that guns make us safer is not working for school children.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:10 am | Reply
    • IggyC

      Please check your facts.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:23 am | Reply
      • Don

        Please let us know which facts are wrong. It does appear that there is a connection between our gun culture and the use of guns in shootings, especially if you compare this to our neighbor to the north, Canada, where guns are much harder to obtain and shootings are much more rare.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • tlinda

      You are 100% right

      February 28, 2012 at 9:52 am | Reply
      • tlinda

        We feel safer here in Canada BECAUSE of the fact that there are less guns

        February 28, 2012 at 9:54 am |
      • Tom

        Ahh, I do find logic refreshing in the morning. 🙂

        It's hard to disagree with sound reasoning. However, some of our more dense will succeed in finding a way.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • Nom Deguerre

      As a law abiding citizen, I prefer to armed.. the fundamental issue that get left out by the anti-gun people is that criminals don’t obey the law. Only a fool would believe that “banning guns” would do anything other than disarm those who obey the law.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
      • The REAL Truth...

        Lot of "fools" around then!

        February 28, 2012 at 10:00 am |
      • Diane

        TIme to face reality, Nom. It's not like the criminals in other countries are wandering around killing with knives, poisons, golf clubs, or whatever. There are more deaths here because it's EASY to kill with guns, And though you may argue for arming for self defense, NO ONE needs an assault rifle to defend themselves, that's a false argument in the face of what Americans are armed with.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:48 am |
      • Rob

        Diane, google "UK knife attack stats" and educate yourself.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Mark

      Forget the tried dogma-
      Children can not own and carry guns legally. The fact that some children have access to guns is undisputed as is some of these same children, for whatever reason, decide to act upon whatever's in their heads. Without both parts of this coming together there would be no school shootings. Children's access must be better controlled, especially those with problems-
      Of course that is tough with parents today that do not pay attention to their kids, with their work or friends.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:26 am | Reply
    • ForGoodOfAll

      Agreed, Fair Taxes!

      February 28, 2012 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • Turn the Other...

      Just like the war on drugs has curbed drug addiction in the US.

      February 28, 2012 at 10:52 am | Reply
    • Julie

      Guns do make people safer, if used correctly. Having a gun for protection puts you on the same playing field as the criminals and oppressors that will have guns no mater what the laws say. The whole idea of having guns isn't to use it for violence but for the protection of peace. The more people who have and are educated in gun safety, the safer this country is.

      Now for the argument that criminals won't have guns if there are more gun laws, is silly. For example, this child was breaking multiple gun laws bringing this gun to a school and he was breaking even more law shooting the gun. Obviously gun laws did not deter this child from attaining and using a gun illegally, so why would it deter anyone else with similar motives?

      February 28, 2012 at 2:17 pm | Reply
    • Earnan M

      Please name a single state in the US where grade school or high school students are allowed to carry guns in public, carry guns to school, or even just obtain guns?

      None such exists, of course, but don't let reality and factrs get in the way of your hysterial gun-phobic temper tantrum.

      February 29, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
  5. A.A

    Bring back corporal punishment.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:11 am | Reply
    • Emmy Skaddittle

      then the principal would have been the one shot, that is not the answer. the kids need counselling

      February 28, 2012 at 9:36 am | Reply
    • Alfao

      You are so right. American kids are the parents at home. The so-called children right, privacy etc.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:40 am | Reply
    • boink

      corporal punishment never left that is why we are an evil doer country also...... point fingers at other countries so they cant point at us

      February 28, 2012 at 2:47 pm | Reply
  6. Dan

    The VT killer was 23, well within the age of owning a gun legally. Kind of wrong to say if kids couldnt get a gun there wouldnt have been the VT massacre.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:13 am | Reply
    • Victor E. Maffei

      NRA is giving this young man a badge of honor. Will probably defend his right to bear arms in defense of liberty.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:17 am | Reply
      • IggyC

        Victor, wrong again. Please stick to facts instead of spewing rhetoric.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:24 am |
      • texpatroit

        You should go back to your caveman country. Such a stupid reply.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:34 am |
      • Luke

        Victor, your NRA must be different from my NRA. My NRA is the National Rifle Association, they promote law abiding citizens lawfully owning firearms. Seventeen year olds do not legally own handguns. Nor is it legal to go shoot a bunch of kids in a school. What your NRA is, to me, is a mystery.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:56 am |
      • Earnan M

        Victor is a lying piece of crap, like so many of the anti-gun nuts who blame law-abiding gun owners for the acts of criminals.

        The NRA would prefer to see laws that allow adults-professors, teachers, staff and students like the tens of thousands of military veterans in university on the GI Bill-to carry guns for the defense of themselves and others.

        The NRA recognizes the plain simple fact that gun control laws have never kept criminals from obtaining guns.

        Campus gun bans have only resulted in campuses free of anyone who can fight back against a murderer.

        That's what Victor actually wants: more unarmed victims.

        February 29, 2012 at 10:02 am |
  7. Chuck Anziulewicz

    Why is the U.S. lead the world in school shootings?

    February 28, 2012 at 9:13 am | Reply
    • probity

      it occurs to me that you are the one looking down your nose at Americans, not the other way around.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:29 am | Reply
  8. Frank

    WE'RE #1 !!!! WE'RE #1 !!!!! WE'RE #1 !!!!! ........

    February 28, 2012 at 9:14 am | Reply
    • fuzzboxx

      USA! USA! USA!

      February 28, 2012 at 9:17 am | Reply
    • markishere

      Homer Simpson!

      February 28, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Reply
  9. Jim

    I am really curoius about how the NRA will respond.

    Why is America No. 1 in school shootings, NRA? Because there aren't enough guns in schools?

    They will probably say, only criminals use guns irresponsibly, and once an NRA member does something criminal, he's not an NRA reprentative anymore. Thus it's never their problem.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:15 am | Reply
    • Dan

      I am not much of a gun activist but what you are saying is that if all guns were banned there would no longer be gun crimes? Criminals wouldnt gain access to these weapons? Dream on dude

      February 28, 2012 at 9:16 am | Reply
      • Shane

        Well...I doubt there would be more gun crimes, and that's a start...

        February 28, 2012 at 9:25 am |
      • Diane

        By this logic, countries with banned guns would have just as many gun deaths, since the "criminals" would still get guns. Doesn't happen, though, does it?

        February 28, 2012 at 10:50 am |
      • Rich7553

        @Diane: Personal ownership of firearms is virtually illegal in Mexico, yet their gun homicide rate is twice that of the United States. There are an esitmated 80 million homes and 300 million firearms in the United States. However, there are only an estimated 30,000 gun deaths in the US per year (CDC). Of those, about 18,000 are suicides, 10,000 are murders, and 2,000 are accidental. Of the 10,000 murders, over 85% are committed by persons already having a felony conviction. In fact, firearms deaths are no longer in the CDC's top 15 causes of death. Since about 1990, over half of the states have implemented "shall-issue" concealed carry, yet gun deaths and violent crime have decreased significantly since that time and are now at their lowest level since the mid-1960s (FBI).

        February 28, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Jim

      Dan, this whole "criminals will get guns" is a bogus argument.

      America limits who can buy and use explosives, yet criminals don't go around blowing things up because they can get explosives.

      Moreover, just because we can't or won't ban guns, doesn't mean America need to make it so easy for criminals and children to get guns. Background checks aren't even required at gun shows. How does that make any sense?

      February 28, 2012 at 9:23 am | Reply
      • InkMot

        @Jim: Background checks are absolutely required at gun shows – just as they are required at gun shops. One completes the same form and waits the same amount of time while the licensed dealer calls in the background check.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:31 am |
      • Emmy Skaddittle

        criminals get guns by stealing them from morons that shouldn't have them in the first place

        February 28, 2012 at 9:37 am |
      • texpatroit

        You might want to get your facts together before running your jaw. Background checks are required. Now if you want to be free of guns, move to Russia, Iran, or any other country but leave.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:38 am |
      • DoggSho

        Wrong, criminals (or say I terrorist) have always obtained both legal and illegal explosives through thievery, over the counter, compromised and or corrupted officials; thus, it's the immoral character and or the root of the problem(s) that needs to be held in check, because if not then when you strip all guns away, those same maligned characters will resort to using vehicles, bats, knives, acids, and or simply their bare hands. To disarm the law abiding citizens -on the inverse, is to pro-arm criminals who are gonna obtain firearms illegally anyway.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:15 am |
      • Rich7553

        @Emmy: So your solution to the rampant car theft problem is to outlaw cars and punish those who get their cars stolen instead of punishing those who do the stealing?

        February 28, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Chris

      Yes. Like religious people do... "he did this horrible thing but he is not really part of our group".

      February 28, 2012 at 9:28 am | Reply
      • chris2

        ah... its nice to finaly find an atheist who claims Hilter, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Nehru, Mobutu and Honecker as their own.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Jeremy

      In Ohio it is illegal to let a child have access to a gun without adult supervision. When the shooter showed up at school with a gun, an adult had already violated the law. The sad reality is that too few children understand the deadly power and force of firearms. Even in the interviews, the other children reported hearing "fireworks". How are our children ever going to respect firearms and the tragedy that they can cause if they are never taught gun safety? Luckily we have the right to defend ourselves in this country with personally owned firearms. Regardless or whether you like that right or not, it is everyone's responsibility to prevent children from misusing guns, cars, alcohol, or any of the other "adult" things that have a lawful place in our society.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:40 am | Reply
      • lesawithane

        TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR WHOLE STATEMENT! See this is smart people. I grew up with guns, my father taught me to duck hunt. Im now a 30 something professional, dont use guns any longer, but believe that children SHOULD learn about gun violence that could happen in school. I keep hearing kids say " thought it was fireworks" . I know this school had a great system put in place which probably saved lives. My sons school does the same-but they didnt really learn the gun part. I think it should be added...at this point we cannot guarantee someone will not bring a gun to school-but at least our children will be even more ready if someone does. So sad...

        February 28, 2012 at 10:30 am |
  10. Conrad

    well in this country we are being bullied everywhere
    school,work,social life etc etc

    you add that a mentality base on violence and lack of respect of human life
    and you have your answer to why school shooting happen ..!!

    February 28, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
    • MrsFizzy

      And then consider that the rest of the world sees OUR country as a big bully...

      February 28, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Reply
  11. Frank

    Jim, would it make you feel better if the kid brought a knife to school and stabbed the others?

    February 28, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
    • Jim

      Frank, with a knife the victims could have at least run away or defended themself.

      Moreover, how many drive by stabbings have you heard about in the news lately? Or how about the kid in Florida killed by someone firing into the air? How many knives travel 1000s of feet and fall on unsuspecting victims in their back yard?

      February 28, 2012 at 9:26 am | Reply
      • Bob A.

        Frank – Jim is right. It's a lot harder psychologically – and more dangerous personally – to plunge a knife in and see the blood from arm's length than to point a gun at a body far away.

        February 28, 2012 at 9:31 am |
      • Frank

        More people die in car accidents. Should we close the highways and outlaw cars?

        Would it make you feel better if the kids were stabbed? So, they had a chance to defend themselves before dying from a stab wound? Would that make it better? Seriously?

        February 28, 2012 at 9:34 am |
      • The REAL Truth...

        @Frank – some ole, same ole 2A speel.. IF the kid had had a knife, I guarantee you there would NOT be 2 DEAD 17-yrs old at that school right now. The perp would have been jumped and disarmed. Many knife wounds are not life threatening – even when someone IS jumped by surprise. But in a school cafeteria, your going to see someone coming at you with a knife, and avoid it. With a gun.. .you are seeing the end result. No guns – the schools wouldn't need lock down policies and preparation would they. Your ill-formed logic as to the the "right to bear arms" is continually being spouted by the pro-gun lobby. I have no issues with guns. Used 'em. Have 'em. Hand guns sole purpose is to KILL. They should be banned or strictly controlled. And pls... don't retort with the "criminals will always have them" response. I'ts immature and asinine. Sure they will, but it's supply and demand. Cut the supply and the demand will go up. Kill the supply and they'll not have access to them.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:44 am |
      • Rich7553

        @The REAL Truth...: You say this because prohibition worked so well in the 20s and 30s and because the "War on Drugs" is working so well today? The government spent a ton of money on both of these prohibitions and one could still get what they wanted with little trouble. All prohibitions do is set up a black market.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
      • concerned

        @Frank – That argument doesn't hold water, the intended purpose of a car is not to kill people. We should make safer cars and highways so that less people die in accidents. On the other hand, there's not much reason for guns to exist other than to kill things. Making a gun safer would render it useless.

        February 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Shane

      it probably would not have happened that way. It was a concern of the founding fathers, that guns made it too easy to kill people. In their minds a knife/sword requires skill and then a closeness that makes it harder for someone to kill, to get their hands "dirty." They were probably right, so my guess is a knife would not have had the same consequences.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:30 am | Reply
      • Frank

        That's a nice "guess", but a wrong one.

        You guys make it seem like killing others was invented at the same time as firearms. People have been donig it for as long as there have been people, and they never worried about getting their hands "dirty".

        February 28, 2012 at 9:44 am |
      • The REAL Truth...

        Uh no!! ...
        The concern of the founding fathers was to protect the newly for state independence. The 2A states "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

        It unfortunate the the pro-gun lobby hones in on the latter part of the amendment. There's nothing wrong with guns, but the "right" was to be able to quickly form a militia ("reserves") to defend life, limb, property and independence 200 yrs ago. That need for the "security of a free state" no longer exists in today's world. We have the military and the reserves to do that now.

        February 28, 2012 at 10:50 am |
      • Rich7553

        @The REAL Truth...: The Supreme Court disagrees.

        February 28, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
      • The REAL Truth...

        @rich7553 – "The Supreme Court disagrees."
        you are correct, but that doesn't make it the right decision – they are known for rulings with unintended consequences such as the SuperPAC's and Corporations.
        And back to your earlier response to an earlier comment of mine about gun control.. I NEVER said "prohibition". I said CONTROL. I'm not talking about Uncle Sam showing up at ur door and demand your guns. Prohibition does not work. That's stupid/crazy and will never happen. I'm talking about strict HAND GUN control. NOT about taking away all guns.
        In all seriousness.. .have you ever been deer or hog hunting with a handgun? You might, but it's rare.

        February 28, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
      • Rich7553

        @The REAL Truth...: Nope, never been hunting with a handgun. Mine serves two purposes only. Self defense and sport shooting. What exactly is "real hangun control"? 30,000 laws aren't enough? Attempting to legislate criminal behavior is doomed to failure. It has never worked, it can never work. At some point, everyone will be a criminal for one reason or another and personal liberty will cease to exist. A handgun is the most efficient, effective means of protecting one's life in case of a violent attack. Instead of handgun control, you should be advocating criminal control. Why is it that over 85% of murders are committed by felons? Why are they out on the streets?

        February 28, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
  12. Leigh

    I really think a huge part of the problem is our lack of empathy. We are a selfish society – look out for number one. Read the responses to articles right here on CNN – people are cruel, blame victims, think boys who are bulled are "sissies" and make jokes about violence. We are removed from reality – desensitized to the pain of others. So many teens simply can't put themselves in another's position – can't comprehend that many lives are connected and that an act of violence has a ripple effect. Why is this the case? Maybe it is the violent video games, the movies and reality tv, broken homes and kids spending their childhoods in daycare. Maybe it's praising a kid for every little thing and building them up as superstars when they really are just like all others. All I know is that so many kids today lack respect for others and it comes at a cost.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
    • Stacey

      Well said. You can treat the symptoms all you want, but if you don't treat the underlying problem, it won't go away and can get worse. As a mental health therapist that works largely in schools, I see the problem of our society's individualistic mindset get played out in full force. Despite the growing anti-bullying programs across the country, which is great, bullying still gets ignored time and time again in many schools, not just by fellow students who don't take it seriously because it's not happening to them, but by many teachers and school officials who have 'bigger problems" than a couple of kids who are calling someone names, afterall they are "just being kids". The teachers feel that they can't take their focus away from the tests they have to teach to, they can't take time out of the day to address bullying or provide a lesson on empathy and compassion to their students. That's not in the lesson plan. The students who come to me often tell me that their parents or their teachers just tell them to "ignore it" but of course that doesn't work. No one has been there to listen to them and by the time they get to me, which is hopefully sooner rather than later, all I can hope is that the ear I provide, the empathy I use, and the validation I give them is enough.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:39 am | Reply
      • Robert Mitchell

        Regarding being bullied, teased etc., I myself had been there done that being in school in the 70's and 80's being told to ignore it business, but didn't help one bit. In High School someone almost ran me down with a motorcycle, of which my dad dragged the boy off the bike and into the Deans Office. Putting thumb tacks on my chair in one class, stealing things out of my gym locker or moving them to another in the locker room. In my case it was me being shorter then others as if I am inferior and also was not the aggressive type. I never was beaten up and am lucky there. In Elementary School from 4th to 7 grade I went to a privet school and was a lot stricter then public schools and had very little problems there. I agree we have problem with guns in this country. In European Countries such as Germany, owners are required to lockup their guns and children don't have as easy access to them. Nobody in our family owns guns but knew friends that owned guns.

        February 28, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • lesawithane

      yes you are so right. We are a selfish society to the core. The moral compass is leaving our children so fast. Im a 30 something mother boys and girls. I have tried so hard to instill good moral compasses in all of them-while trying to balance the reality of violence. I do NOT pull the wool over their eyes-but keep them focused. Its hard to balance...but you have to let them know that even though you are polite and respectuful-that not everyone is. My kid is popular, gets good grades, and was still mugged on the street by a thug while he was headed home. The kid who came up to him reached out to shake my sons hand and then punched him in the face, told him to empty his pockets and that if he didnt-he was going to shoot him. It was a horrible lesson-but one that knocked him into reality. I hated that but thankfully my kid still stands tall and knows now that he too can defend himself and be proud of who he is. Life is much more tough for our kids now...this never would have happened when I was a kid

      February 28, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • Peggy


      Leigh, Absolutely fantastic post,

      I totally agree with all you have said. We seem to have forgotten the art of human kindness and think it acceptable to trample on the weak and to take out the opponent, without consideration of human and other costs. The way we do politics is a prime example.

      February 28, 2012 at 12:39 pm | Reply
    • trauma

      they need to teach kids a language to talk about trauma so they can explain what is happening to them. its just flat out missing.

      February 28, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Reply
      • trauma

        they need to understand intrusive thoughts. what to do when they are getting pounded with intrusive thoughts. how to get help (they tend to disregard in some cases because they don't see themselves as the problem...in the case of rapists for example. they don't see how going to the therapist is going to help. it does, but they aren't that far along yet. and quite frankly neither are some therapists). we need to build a language so they recognize what they are doing...when they start avoiding. when they notice that they have anger. follow that back to the original abuse/r. when they can't resolve that...they tend to bring that forward to anything that triggers thoughts of the original abuse/r. They need a language to even recognize in their own selves...so they can self report.

        February 28, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
      • trauma

        they need to be able to recognize and redirect if they are avoiding (school, friends, work, places, etc) so they don't lose their educational life. THESE YEARS DO MATTER. its very expensive to make this time up if you have to pay for it in college (i know, i've been there). don't lose your path right here. it starts very subtle. you don't even realize you are doing it. it seems safe to you. and its hard to convince your brain that [going back to school for example] is safe. and your brain is pretty smart. it will protect you. but after years of this...you will realize you lost too much. that's what i'm worried about. Do everything in your power to stay on your educational paths right here. Try to get every question answered. That's the only way you are going to be able to file this stuff safely in the past where it belongs and not drag it forward to everything in life. If you have questions...ask them now. (This is going to be a lifetime pivot point.) Trauma is a bear. It can show up years later. Your best defense to protect yourself is to get answers to your questions.

        February 28, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • Toshi

      i agree with your post, and then some. Our political leaders for the most part are not great role models for trying to get along with each other, divorce rates are through the roof, religions are intolerant of each other. What are kids to think. Most parents are working and have a tough time making quality time for their kids. Many parents do not want to think or acknowledge that their child may have an emotional or mental health issue. Its a hard pill to swallow. they often get defensive when it is suggested that their child may have an emotional or mental health problem. And yet these problems don't just pop up overnight. the problems have likely been brewing for many months or years. I work with these types of kids every day as a part of my job and often these kids have poor social skills and lack of empathy. They do not problem solve well, and they are impulsive. It is really hard to change this type of thinking unless they want to change it and there is parental support, often one of the two is lacking.
      I do not feel that the primary problem is guns, that is just a means to an end for the troubled human. The main problem is lack of adequate mental health support in the schools. Which is often a result of diminishing budgets for public schools.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Reply
  13. Isaac

    This never would have happened if America didn't infringe the victim's 2nd Amendment Rights and let every child in this school carry a loaded AK-47. (sarcasm)

    February 28, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
  14. hahahaha

    Here is the Problem, Just look at it, all the kids who are doing the shooting in the SCHOOLs are those young white KIDS.
    So what are their parents teaching them at home, or not teaching them at home. But o no I forgot Its in there genes, they came form Spain, Germany, France and ENGLAND, killing, Taking, Stilling and just plane doing EVEL,, So why are we all shocked today that something like this can happen again.!!!.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:22 am | Reply
    • Chris

      Yes, it is in their genes. This is why there are more school shootings in the US than Europe. It is because Europeans do not have European genes like those white Americans do... oh wait...

      February 28, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
    • Shane

      "stilling and just plane doing evel"? Seriously... did you come out of an Austin Powers movie?

      February 28, 2012 at 9:34 am | Reply
    • Peggy

      I believe that while some groups have community and extended family support, white kids live in more individual,isolated settings requiring everyone to toughen up and fend for his/herself, which creates undue pressure.

      February 28, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Reply
  15. Rosslaw

    We'd all be safer if all students 9th grade and above carried Glocks at school. Common sense.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:22 am | Reply
  16. Ausin

    Cannot wait for these idiots to bring the "Violent video games" argument to this.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:23 am | Reply
    • Emmy Skaddittle

      That doom games is too violent and teaches kids to kill

      February 28, 2012 at 9:39 am | Reply
  17. David

    Doesn't anyone think that maybe the media is a factor? Kids see the violence everyday on tv. They get mad someone and come up with this great copy cat idea. Just look at the headlines on this website. 90% of it is negative.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:24 am | Reply
  18. jerrycc

    I keep hearing it is Bush's fault.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:24 am | Reply
  19. rebiii

    We live in a society that glorifies violence as a way to solve problems, and there are a lot of guns available.

    I know from living south of the border that the countries that have the most problems with violence have armed populations. Often these are places like Guatemala which just went through civil wars where everybody ended up with a gun afterwards. Our own civil war may have played a role in arming our population.

    And we justify violence with war and the death penalty. The message is clear. It is acceptable to kill to solve problems, if you think you have a good reason. From there it is a short leap for kids to start making up their own reasons.

    I think the Bible is pretty clear on this. "Thou shalt not kill". But this is America. We kill people all over the world, and here in our own country, all the time. Are we really that surprised that these kids are doing this? It is what they have seen other people doing their whole lives.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:25 am | Reply
  20. Bill

    dysfunctional family
    dysfunctional society
    dysfunctional country

    it just about it

    February 28, 2012 at 9:25 am | Reply
  21. bigfoot

    You have to look at the upbringing of todays kids. there is no adult supervision and a lot of parents don't care what happens to them. I could go on and on but just don't have the time.!!

    February 28, 2012 at 9:26 am | Reply
  22. FauxNews

    We need to get rid of the brick-and-mortar schools and use the Internet to educate kids. It's faster, less expensive, and more efficient.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:28 am | Reply
    • Americaneedsrealists

      Now there is an intelligent statement; let's raise an entire generation of anti-social mal adjusted people that mommy and daddy have told their entire life that they are perfect with no outside influences.

      February 28, 2012 at 11:09 am | Reply
      • Jedidiah

        Very very well thought out response.
        You should post more musings for the rest of us to enjoy.

        February 28, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
  23. Tim

    Why is the U.S. number 1 in school shootings? Does the question even need to be asked? We have a gun crazy culture that hides behind the Second Amendment and refuses to take responsible steps to make sure some people don't have access to guns. 34 people a day die from guns in this country. It is a fallacy that more guns will provide better protection. Clearly it doesn't work. Require permits, training and track the guns that are sold. The Gun Lobby controls the politicians. They don't care how many people die, nor do they care about the Second Amendment. It's all about the money.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:28 am | Reply
    • texpatroit

      Is this little timmy geitner?

      February 28, 2012 at 9:42 am | Reply
    • bigfoot


      February 28, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Reply
    • Gutienbauer

      One of the best comments I've read. But you have to think, what do we do with the small penis population? Big SUVs just don't do it for them. If we control gun access, we'd need to find something else to make them feel.... "big".

      March 4, 2012 at 1:22 am | Reply
  24. Bob A.

    ...because you folks in the media glorify them. If you would just report them as the sad losers they are, instead of showing their fantasy killer costumes and homemade videos, fewer would emulate them. Who wants to be known, post-violent outburst, as a sad loser?

    February 28, 2012 at 9:28 am | Reply
  25. Brit in US

    The writer of the article cops out...the problem is guns in the hands of school children but he is not offering a gun control solution. What then?

    February 28, 2012 at 9:29 am | Reply
    • Jim

      What solution could the writer possibly offer that wouldn't offend the powerful and monied 2nd Amendment crowd.

      February 28, 2012 at 9:32 am | Reply
    • Gutienbauer

      the first step towards finding a solution is... to find the problem =)

      March 4, 2012 at 1:23 am | Reply
  26. citizen

    Why? Because we have no discipline and the schools have basically become an indoctrination center for the left.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
    • NKBL

      Idiotic comment. That's what's wrong with this country.

      February 28, 2012 at 12:04 pm | Reply
    • Jedidiah

      The left? Have ya seen who's running the schools these days? The left, that's so funny I don't know where to start. Been to a school board meeting lately? If they don't start with prayer they at least have some sort of biblical rant throughout the meeting. Rarely the realm of the left. The left. I still can't stop laughing. Contractors and architects are who are running our schools these days. Ha, sounds like our wars too. The left. Oh man, seriously!

      February 28, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Reply
  27. MikeMazzla

    You can spin it any way you want. The country with the most liberal gun laws and with th ebiggest gun lobby that fights any gun restrictions is also the westernized country with the most gun violence and deaths. Pure fact

    February 28, 2012 at 9:32 am | Reply
    • Dave


      February 28, 2012 at 10:37 am | Reply
  28. Gary

    Why?? Because we here in the US of A have become a land where personal wants have become much more important than family. We buy houses and cars that we can't afford; and which requires at least two incomes just to make the interest payments, let alone pay off the loan itself. IF we get married, it is with the preconceived idea that we'll just get divorced if it doesn't work out. We have no commitment to ourselves let alone to anyone else, including family. Yes, we are a screwed up, inward only concerned, Godless bunch of self indulgant people. How can we expect our children to be anything different?

    February 28, 2012 at 9:33 am | Reply
  29. Macmaven

    Too many kids having kids. No father figure in the home. A lack of parental involvement in their children's life. Take your pick. These problems exist in a variety of socioeconomic levels, not just poverty. Get involved with your kid's life no matter how old you are or what your family background is. It will work wonders.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:33 am | Reply
  30. Angiecallahan

    We are an angry people And asmany have stated, the use of ultimate violence is daily touted as an acceptable method to redress peeceived or realthreats and as a first resort. We have been at war pretty much for decades and a warrior society can expect violence as a perferred response on all levels. There was no mention of work place shootings but I would wager we are number one there too and I imagine we, among western countries, are also in the top of suicides. We have a death centered culture. Even christians focus on the death rather than the life of Jesus.

    February 28, 2012 at 9:33 am | Reply
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