February 28th, 2012
07:00 AM ET

Why does America lead the world in school shootings?

Editor's Note: Dr. Frank Ochberg is Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Michigan State University and former Associate Director of the National Institute of Mental Health.

By Frank Ochberg - Special to CNN

School shootings are far more frequent in America than in other countries, although terrible massacres have occurred in Russia, Israel, and several European nations. In the high-crime neighborhoods of inner cities, school turf is relatively safe. We have learned to harden the target and patrol with vigilance.

And even in those suburbs and small towns where spree killings have occurred, the rates, per capita, are lower now than in previous decades. School is a safe place - until, as in Chardon, Ohio, the unspeakable happens. Then, even though the risks are low, it is fair to ask, why does this still happen? Why here, in America?

Let's be clear. There is no single, certain answer to these questions. The possible factors include failure by classmates, parents and school officials to see the warning signs; bullying and revenge; serious mental illness; violent role models; drugs; access to guns, and a culture that condones extremism.

America has its share of these factors, but which are significant and which are more prevalent here than across the Atlantic?

Warning signs

Students do not become mass killers overnight. They nurse their fantasies and they leak evidence. Insults, threats and plans are posted on websites. Classmates often know when a student is ready to strike back. Parents hear rumblings and have accurate gut sensations.

Within our country there are communities and neighborhoods and school districts that are relatively cohesive, vigilant and able to discuss warning signs of danger. There are some communities that are not as well integrated. They must be coached and helped.

After Columbine and Virginia Tech and other notorious school shootings, new programs to share information were developed and several plots were nipped in the bud. This evolution of information sharing occurs in other countries, but it is difficult to measure, nation to nation, who is ahead and who is behind. I see no proof that America is losing this race to improve detection of warning signs.

Bullying and revenge

We have too many bullies and too many youngsters at the mercy of bullies. But we also have a growing system of anti-bullying school programs. Despite rumors to the contrary, the Columbine killers were not bullied. There is no evidence that America, compared to other nations, has more bullies, more bullying, more victimization, and more victims who are ticking time bombs, hatching plots of lethal vengeance. However, we certainly can and should promote school programs that protect all children from stalking, hazing, and the new, evolving forms of abuse: Ostracism and humiliation through electronic social networks.

When boys are bullied they may fantasize about revenge. To dream of turning the tables on a bully is common to all eras, most cultures, and the source of drama, film and literature from the Elizabethan stage to the spaghetti Western. But whether a slowly evolving fantasy of mass murder is a product of mental illness, of bullying or of other sources, there are usually signs along the way.

Major mental illness

We do not have more major mental illness than most other countries. But we may be less caring of our mentally ill. Back in the Kennedy era, we launched community mental health programs to care for people with schizophrenia and similarly severe disorders, including depression. We wanted treatment available close to home, with compassionate supervision and with proper medication. We tried to stop the revolving door to the asylum, and, in fact, we tore down the large state hospitals. Our best intentions failed.

The program was never fully funded and our American system of care leaves much to be desired. The most serious mental illnesses, schizophrenia and depression, often become overt in adolescence. A boy who is smart enough to get into a good college becomes deluded, obsessed, strange, scary - and he gets rejected, isolated and stuck in a fantasy world. Those fantasies can become lethal. These forms of mental illness are seldom the source of homicide (far more often they torment and demoralize the disturbed individual). But when they are dangerous to others, we need good answers.

We do not have a sophisticated system of care and protection. If we did, Mr. Cho would not have killed 32 students at Virginia Tech. But America is really no worse than other nations when it comes to the numbers of seriously mentally ill, of violently mentally ill, of insufficiently treated violent mentally ill school-age boys. (Yes, we are talking about boys and young men; by far, they are the school shooters).

Violent role models

Violent role models, on the street, in the cinema, in the news, have been with us for as long as I recall, and are not limited to America. Back in the '60s, an American counter culture leader said, "Violence is as American as cherry pie." But other parts of the world, such as Northern Ireland, the Balkans, the children's armies of Africa, the terrorist camps of the Middle East, have their violent role models. Machismo is not an American word, nor is Hooligan.

Drugs

We do have drugs and a drug culture and aspects of this problem are more severe here than in many other parts of the world. Crime is connected to the drug trade and this crime can spill into the school. But the type of school shooting that occurs in the suburb is seldom connected to this urban issue. There may be an indirect connection, since drug wars arm young soldiers of drug wars, and arms are a large issue in America.

Access to guns

Access to guns is a significant factor in American school shootings. If kids could not and did not bring guns to school, we wouldn't have Columbine, Virginia Tech or Chardon, Ohio. There have been crimes with knives and bats and fists. But school shootings are gun crimes. Kids with guns kill kids at school.

I do not think America is an extremist nation, compared to other nations with bloody histories and despotic leaders. True, we have polarized political speech, and some of that speech is about access to guns. But the reason we have an American school shooting problem that exceeds other nations has to do with access to loaded weapons by kids who should not have that access.

I'm not offering a gun control solution. But any serious attempt to prevent school shooting will have to attack the problem by determining who should not be armed, and preventing dangerous boys from bringing guns to school.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of Frank Ochberg. For more on the subject of school shootings, Dr. Ochberg recommends reading reports by the U.S. Secret Service and the FBI.

Topics: United States • Youth

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  1. Rosie

    Its called the Second Amendment. That's why. The rest of the civilized world doesn't believe in the wild wild west.

    March 3, 2012 at 7:01 pm | Reply
  2. eric

    when it comes to bullys and being victim that has ben around since forever. i think that issue come with the fact that we dont let people fail anymore. we teach our youth that its ok to be second and third ans so on. they get trophys just as much as the winners. when it comes to electronic and network bassed crap its becasue we shelter our kids from the truth to much. if a child is strange its not a bad thing to tell them that from time to time. as far as gun control well if someone wants a gun they will be able to get it. there are tones of ilegal arms on the streets that it wont take much asking before someone will sell one to you. i believe that the biggest issue is that parents don't pay attention to there kids like they used to. in most households both parents are working all day and when they get home they just don't have the energy to confront there kids in a constructive manner that could curb the violent behavior. i also think that accountability is a big problem especially with the parents and them not taking responsibility for there kids behavior. dicapline is a big issue these days, go back 20-30 years and kids had a beter sence or repercussions for there actions but not now. kids are mean creatures and they have a bad sence of right and worng that dosnt develope until they hit adolesence so if they are taught from a young age that there is really now recourse for there actions then they think there is none latter.

    March 3, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  3. Bloooper1

    Gun are not the first problem. I happens at schools !!!!
    Apparently something is wrong in schools. Maybe 'Chrstian' limited scope of vision triggers individuals to feel outcast.
    (so will all religion visions do by the way) Should teachers not teach to think and reflect/question youngsters and not tell them what they 'have' to accept ? I don't mean they are capable of seeing (whatever) truth. But shouldn't they as an individual have the right to think about it freely (not unlimited however; respect for the other is essential) ? Wasn't that something we did not like ourselves at the time ?

    March 3, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Reply
  4. Jeff

    Interesting that the author failed to consider or investigate the basic nature of man. I know that we live in a country where the majority of Americans espouse the view that man is basically good. However, it is plausible that this accepted majority view is wrong. Everyday, CNN and other news agencies report violent incidents across this country. These violent incidents include people of every age, race, gender, and socio-economic background. Is it not possible, that while the above issues could indeed provide partial explanation as why this individual commited these acts, that the real factor is that humans, are indeed, basically or inherently bad?

    March 3, 2012 at 10:02 pm | Reply
  5. Rob

    "Anyone who blames this on the availability of guns is an idiot."

    Ironically, this is the most idiotic comment of all.

    March 3, 2012 at 10:16 pm | Reply
  6. Harrisongto

    While I can't think of anything sadder than yet another school shooting, blaming guns is just stupid. You ban guns and stabbings go up, you ban knives and then what? A gun is a tool, and like any tool it can be used properly or it can be used improperly. The problem is parenting across the board, the kids that do these school shootings all seem to have in common that they feel left out at home, neglected. If you don't give your kids the support system they need this happens. My wife and I have 7 children, and I spend every minute I have talking to them, teaching them things and just being there for them. I don't smother my children though either. On the subject of guns again for a minute, there is no education there at all in most homes. When my kids turn 12, they get a .22 rifle for Christmas (though with hunting allowed at a younger age now that may be 10 soon enough) and they're taught to respect it for what it can do. The first thing they're taught is what damage a gun can do and to always respect it. The guns we have in our home are not to protect us from a government, because as some anti-gun idiot already put it, that would be fruitless, a 12 gauge isn't going to beat a soldier. HOWEVER, the guns in my home are to protect it from people who don't respect or care about others and may try to do harm here, home invasion, burglary, etc.. We live way out in the country so those are always risks nowadays, we also hunt and shoot for fun as part of educating the younger kids about guns. If parents in this country were somehow required to be parents, our kids would be so much healthier and their kids and on and on. I sat down with my kids and we watched the news talk about the school shooting then we all discussed it at length. I think in these cases the parents need to be fully investigated and if it's shown that they are neglectful and aren't providing any support system for their kids then I think they should be charged with murder also. That may be extreme but if someone hurts one of my children like that you can bet that the other kids parents are going to have to deal with me in one way or the other. If my dog bites someone I get in trouble, obviously kids are more valuable than dogs but the same thinking should be applied. If your kid, who is your responsibility and whom you owe it to to raise properly with respect and morals does something this horrible, you pay for it too. Your kids are going to be what they see on a daily basis, be a parent and this s^it will end. Our prayers go out to all those effected by this senseless tragedy, even to the parents of the shooter who were on some level to blame for this.

    March 4, 2012 at 12:31 am | Reply
  7. Canadian Jack

    Teach children about empathy. Most children never learn how to feel it even when they become adults. Without empathy, angry people hurt and kill other people. If we develop empathy we become more expert at detecting the violent tendencies in others. Teachers need it more than the students they teach. Empathy makes us all safer.

    March 4, 2012 at 7:36 am | Reply
  8. syzito

    Gun control is an excuse not a reason.Only the knee jerk loons[Democrats] call for gun control and completely ignore logic and evidence.

    March 4, 2012 at 8:28 am | Reply
  9. yuri pelham

    I agee with the assessment and read readers reaction confirming my view that the situation won't change. America is commited to it's guns and nothing will change. Notice there are no more calls for gun control... jiust a few ineffectual whimperings. The killings will continue.
    If you want to live in a civilized society move to Canada.

    March 4, 2012 at 8:47 am | Reply
  10. cj

    The writer failed to answer the question of how many of these perpetrators obtained their guns via legitimate means, which, if he did, would likely destroy his conclusion.

    March 4, 2012 at 9:08 am | Reply
  11. SB

    NO, NO, and NO. all those reasons are just crackpot theroies of why school shootings happen. When it comes down to it, its all the parents fault. Its not the guns fault, mental illness, thats just stupid when are we americans going to get our thick skin back, HUH tell me when. our nation of MEN has turned into a nation of cowards and thin skinned babies.

    March 4, 2012 at 10:19 am | Reply
  12. mrcomment

    A fact is being ignored here. When I went to school in the 50s and 60s we had just as much or more access to guns but this kind of thing was unheard of. Maybe it was because we were raise by a culture where the role models and values were different at that time no matter what people tody would like to think.

    March 4, 2012 at 10:22 am | Reply
    • Beth

      There were not semi-automatic weapons for people to have back then. There weren't as many people in this country then. There were not video games including first person shooter video games back then. TV and movie imagery for the most part was much less violent. There was usually a stay at home parent (usually the mother) supervising kids at home. (Not advocating that we return to that but the result was overall maybe more parental supervision and less chance to nap parents' guns??). The thing is–once a thing like Columbine happened kids learned of it and I think that students who might not have thought to do what they did got the idea from that event. The other thing is–it if a fact that without access to the guns used in the various school shootings that have occurred most of the those killed in school shootings would still be alive. That's a fact I'd respect gun rights advocates' opinions more if they showed concern about these victims and showed that their lives are MORE important than easy access to guns. I don't hear that from them. I'm sure people who want gun rights also care about victims of gun violence but the first thing we hear from the is about THEIR rights. What about the rights of those killed by gun violence?

      March 4, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Reply
      • EarnanM

        Beth, your ignorance is noted. Not only were semi-automatic guns availabe in the 1950s and 60s, but you could buy them through the US mail with no need to pass a background check or provide any identification.

        The US government even sold military semiautomatic rifles to civilians. In the 1960s an M1 carbine-a semi-automatic rifle with a 30-round magazine-could be bought from the US government through the mail for under $30.

        So where were all the school shootings back then?

        March 5, 2012 at 9:55 am |
  13. Nani

    There is much stress in our society than many other industrial societies and certainly more than when I was growing up. When growing up in the 60s and 70s there was different kinds of pressure: in high-school there wasn't the high stress (there was stress but compared to now mus less) to get the grades, to do well in sports so that you can get a scholarship to go to college since the middle class can't afford college, and the usual social pressure. Look at what the kids are forward to: if they get into college graduate with $100K loan, tough job market if you did not major in science/engineering/math, and if you get a job you can't pay off the loan or even go to graduate school. Middle class was able to send kids to college without loans, grad school help was available, and whn you got a job it was 3x the cost of college room/board/tuition. Now if you are lucky to get a job it's equivalent to college room/board/tuition. Social pressures with middle class parents losing financial security due to job lay-offs, lower salary, and losing savings due to recession, there is pressure. 50% of kids do not live with their biological parents, 50% of births are illigitimate, and little or no parenting, adds to the stress of the kids. Add on top of that bullying, without societal support mechanism you get a highly stressed kids ready to explode. It will take a long time to defuse this problem in our society...we have to change and care about our societal well being rather than the pursuit of the love of money.

    March 4, 2012 at 10:36 am | Reply
  14. Rick S.

    People who go to school are a bunch of snobs.

    March 4, 2012 at 11:34 am | Reply
    • ProgressivesRule

      Yeah!! Even though I myself got not one, but TWO post-graduate degrees and used them to make a fortune for myself, win election to the Senate, and run for POTUS! I'M not a snob for doing that. But if YOU do it, then you obviously ARE a snob, who only wants to fall in line in the ranks of Obama's People's Educated Snob Army (the PESA). And once the PESA gets to critical mass, then you know what comes next. The destruction of America as we know it, and its replacement with a socialist regime that will take away our freedom of religious expression! Better vote for ME if you want your life to continue as it is.

      March 4, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Reply
  15. pi

    All other fwctors are common across all other countries as well. The main difference is access to guns. We need better gun control laws.
    Advocates of gun control have mentioned thatother objects can kill including knives n javelin. None of these can kill inmass manner like guns have.

    March 4, 2012 at 11:53 am | Reply
  16. chilipepper

    I think America is no.1 because it started in the hood along time ago The mindset of harming people, killing people if you get dissed. It was in the music and video's. Then it has just carried over years after as a normal mindset.

    March 4, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
  17. giniajim

    Hate to break the bad news, but his is fantasy ("But any serious attempt to prevent school shooting will have to attack the problem by determining who should not be armed, and preventing dangerous boys from bringing guns to school."). Our legislators will guarantee that there will be no limits on "who should not be armed". Sorry.

    March 4, 2012 at 1:09 pm | Reply
  18. John M

    Freedom isn't guaranteed to be safe. In order to have your rights and freedoms absolutely protected, you accept some risk. If you prefer to be less free in order to be more safe, emigrate. It's just that easy.

    March 4, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Reply
  19. oneSTARman

    PSYCHO KILLERS – The ONLY country on EARTH that ever INCINERATED CITIES with Nuclear Weapons, Held MILLIONS of Kidnapped Families in Slavery and committed GENOCIDE on the Native Population. Most of the world's WEAPON'S, almost ALL the Land Mines and Chemical and Biological Weapons – come from the USA.

    March 4, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  20. amargeet

    Parents are careless & do not control the weapon chest at home. Parenta must ensure that kids going to school do not carry anything illegal. They must keep arms & ammunition in seperate chest.In school, supervisors & security must have frequent rounds to staff room, library & cafetaria where tempers riose after class hours.

    March 4, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Reply
  21. Yah Yeah

    Bring back the paddle!!! That's how we USED to keep bullies in line. Now kids fight them off with guns.

    March 4, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  22. Beth

    Bullying is an even bigger problem in many other countries and teachers and schools do even less in those countries than is done here to prevent bullying. Obviously with access to guns as big as it is here it enables people who lose it to snap and shot many people whereas without that access at most they could stab a few others with a knife. I'm for improved gun control. people don't need this much access to guns.

    March 4, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Reply
  23. ???

    Whoa, wait a minute here. Based on what statistics that says America is the leading nation in school shootings? Why, because there was just a shootout at an Ohio high school? Now all of a sudden the US is the most unsafe place in the world? Look, there is always some kind of violent act being commited every day in this country anywhere. No matter how hard we try, we will never eliminate violence from this world. We can suppress violence, but never could we eliminate it. Were that possible, a single violent act could tear apart the ideal peace we longed for and throw the entire world into chaos. Ultimately, such chaos would mark the end of humankind for eternity. See the paradox here?

    March 4, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Reply
  24. Blessed Geek

    Congo, Somalia, Tamil Tigers, The Lord's Resistance Army, Pakistan and Mexico lead in school shootings.

    Oh, 3rd world are not considered? Are you sure the US is not part of the 3rd world already?

    March 4, 2012 at 9:25 pm | Reply
  25. satmatt

    The per-capita murder rate in Canada (where we have strict gun control) is less than 1/3 of what it is in the U.S. Our incarceration rates are 1/5 of the those in the U.S. NRA devotees can argue & justify all they want, but "them's the facts, Baby"'!

    March 4, 2012 at 9:28 pm | Reply
    • EarnanM

      And yet the murder rates in most of the US states bordering Canada are lower than the rates on the Canadian side of the border.

      New Hamphire and Vermont-states with very few gun control laws, Vermont even allowing anyone to carry a concealed handgun with no need for a permit-have murder rates lower than their neighbors in gun-controlled Quebec.

      Manitoba's murder rate dwarfs that of Minnesota or North Dakota, where "shall issue" concealed weapons laws allow hundreds of thousands to carry guns.

      Saskatchewan's murder rate is well above that of Montana, a state so opposed to gun control that it passed a state law telling the Federal government that its gun laws didn't apply to guns made and sold in Montana.

      Even Washington, home to the big-city crime problems of Seattle and Tacoma, has a murder rate only slightly higher than that of British Columbia and all of its gun control laws.

      March 5, 2012 at 9:45 am | Reply
  26. ron

    Philosophically speaking this society is paying for the sins committed in the past. What goes around comes around.

    March 4, 2012 at 9:42 pm | Reply
  27. VT Faculty

    Several faculty were among the 32 who lost their lives at the hands of Seung-Hui Cho. (You mistakenly state it was 32 students in the article).

    March 4, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Reply
  28. Jonathan

    The "there's just no answer" anti-gun-control crowd is horrifying. There are 20,000 gun deaths a year in the United States, by far the most in the developed world, even though we have more people in prison (both total and per-capita) than any other developed country on Earth. Don't say "they'll just use knives instead", because those other countries don't have 20,000 knife deaths. Our murder, suicide (gun suicides are successful far more often than other forms), and gun-accident rates are all terrible, and no other Western country has this problem. Gun control seems to have worked for nearly all of them, and it could work for us too.

    March 5, 2012 at 12:11 am | Reply
    • Mike E

      There is an average of 41 drunk driving deaths per day. What do you want to take from the American people first? The automobile or the alcohol? Make sure you read up on American history before you answer this. It isn't a "right" to have a car. It IS a right to have a gun. What are the statistics for law-abiding Americans that kill with guns verses illegal gun holders at the time of a crime??? Laws are in place to remove your rights to either if you are an idiot.

      March 5, 2012 at 3:23 am | Reply
    • EarnanM

      Jonathan-like so much of the gun control lobby-wants to blame guns and gun owners because he doesn't want to have to confront the real problem: a small portion of the population that is extremely violent and is responsible for the largest part of the violent crime problem in the US.

      Jonathan claims, without a shred of evidence, that if only we would eliminate guns our violent crime problem would go away.

      Jonathan fails utterly on the facts.

      The US has a higher rate of murder using knives than the handful of rich western European countries the gun control fanatics like to point to as our should-be role models.

      The US has a higher rate of murder-using fire, using cars, using clubs, using poison-than those wonderful peaceful rich western European states.

      The US has a higher rate of murder with hands, fists and feet than those places. Is that due to "reasonable boot control" in the UK? Maybe Germans or Belgians only have one hand each, or are required to wear padded mittens at all times?

      Or maybe it's not the weapons?

      Jonathan and his pals never seem to want to talk about places like Jamaica, with complete bans on guns and yet violent crime and murder rates far above those of the US. They're silent about Mexico-where almost no one can legally own a gun-mentioning Mexico's horrifying murder rate only when they think they can use it to justify stripping Americans of our rights. How gun shops in Texas are to blame for the appalling murder rates of Venezuela, Colombia and the states of Central America is something that Jonathan and his pals haven't worked out yet. But we can be certain that their eventual "explanation" will never address the cultures of those countries.

      March 5, 2012 at 9:09 am | Reply
  29. Mike E

    Typical media crap in the USA. I have a handgun at home and yes it is for home security. I have a concealed carry permit. I also taught my teenage daughter gun safety and we will be shooting this spring. I am a parent that knows where his child is and I know her friends. I am disgusted with the comments on here that blame everyone else and everything is either political or some stupid agenda. If we got rid of all the guns that means that only the criminals would have guns. If you think we will get them all out of America then you are an idiot. A person will commit murder no matter what method or object they use. Don't be so naive. The one thing we need to be licensed is being a parent. Too many people are allowed to freely pop out 3, 4, 5 kids by different fathers (this is irresponsible males and females) and the family dynamic is wrecked. Parents are not involved in their children's lives and yes, there are some that are mental issues and prescription drugs are an underlying cause. Lets get real on the gun issue. Statistics are manipulated by the variables you use and the ones you exclude. How many knives, drunk drivers, strangling, or other means is used and then compare that to gun murders. Do we want to restart prohibition because if we remove all alcohol from America there will never be another alcohol related murder???? Use your heads people...and if you can't comprehend anything beyond your political party or taking on the NRA then you need to go back to school or up your medication. Either way work on changing you instead of others all the time.

    March 5, 2012 at 3:17 am | Reply
  30. Ozmodius

    (Sigh)

    I mean isn't it perplexing how people ever had societies before that had guns to "protect" them?

    The same old arguments OVER and OVER again...........

    A gun is just a tool? A tool for what? Why for shooting and wounding/killing things! Or am I missing something here?

    You ban all the guns and only the criminals will have guns? Really? How about we quit making SO many guns......limiting their production?

    If he wouldn't have had a gun, he would have used a knife? Yep! He would have somehow killed 3 people by knifing them or heck, he even could have ran up behind them and choked them all to death. Are you people serious?

    I need guns to protect myself from the government? Yep, that gun is sure going to stop that Armored tank!

    Car crashes kill more people than guns! Yep! BUT that is not the only purpose of car, right? And those are usually accidents, right? Most people are NOT killed by guns by accident!

    Why don't all you so-called gun lovers admit the truth! Owning guns, past a certain number like ONE, is really about how powerful and strong you feel when you hold it in your hands. It makes you feel "godlike!" "I can take someone's life with this, you whisper to yourselves!.

    It gives you a sense of power, of control over other people, doesn't it?

    YOU people DON'T want anyone taking that feeling away from you. And you will SHOOT anyone who tries to. Ironic, isn't it?

    March 5, 2012 at 5:25 am | Reply
    • EarnanM

      So what exactly would your "solution" accomplish?

      Never mind that this murder was commited with a single gun.

      Never mind that most murders and gun crimes involve only one gun.

      Never mind that law abiding gun owners may own many different guns because different guns are used for different purposes-a shotgun for docks, a .22 rifle for squirrels, a .30-06 rifle for deer, and none of those are much use for defense.

      No, you simply don't like guns.

      You're extremely unhappy that the Supreme Court booted the absolute bans in DC and Chicago-the sorts of laws you would like to have seen all across the US-and now you're clinging to the straw of hope that if absolute bans are forbidden, maybe you can slip a "no more than 1" ban past the Court.

      Well, they're not having any of it.

      Congress isn't having any of it.

      And We the People sure as hell aren't having any of it.

      The truth is that you want to control us. Gun control is merely a means to that end. And we're not going to allow that. And if that means shooting, well, "MOLON LAVE!"

      March 5, 2012 at 8:23 am | Reply
    • imperfectobscurity

      Great post. And the reply before mine shows what you are up against! All I can say is "Good luck" to the sane US citizens. I hope you can spot the heavily armed nutters out there.

      December 14, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Reply
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