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By Fareed Zakaria, CNN
When I was in college, in the early 1980s, I invited Ronald Reagan’s defense secretary, Caspar Weinberger, to give a speech on campus. At the time, U.S. colleges were hotbeds of opposition to the Reagan administration, especially to its defense policies. Sure enough, as Weinberger began to speak, a series of students stood up and began to heckle. One after another, they rose and chanted a single line, “Deterrence is a lie!”
I am reminded of that turbulent meeting as I listen to the debates over Iran’s nuclear ambitions because it highlights a strange role reversal in today’s foreign policy discourse. It used to be the left that refused to accept the idea of deterrence - searching instead for options such as a nuclear freeze. And it used to be those on the right who would patiently explain the practical virtues of deterrence.
The conservative thinker Charles Krauthammer wrote in the New Republic in 1984. "Deterrence, like old age, is intolerable, until one considers the alternative."
Yet today it is the right that has decided that deterrence is a lie. Krauthammer, the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute and others denounce containment and deterrence and would lead us instead to a policy that culminates in a preventive war. It is the right’s version of the nuclear freeze - a simple solution that actually doesn’t solve anything. Strikes on Iran would probably delay its program a few years while driving up domestic support for the government in Tehran and providing it with a much stronger rationale for pursuing nuclear weapons. Yet sophisticated conservatives insist that this route is preferable to deterrence.
Deterrence is a difficult concept to accept because it is counterintuitive: The prospect of destruction produces peace. And yet its record is remarkable. Great powers went to war with brutal regularity for hundreds of years. Then came nuclear weapons, and there has not been a war between great powers since 1945 - the longest period of peace between great powers in history. The United States and the Soviet Union had a more intense and far-reaching rivalry than almost any two great powers ever. Each thought the other wanted to destroy its way of life. And yet, this rivalry did not result in war. Both sides were deterred.
If deterrence doesn’t work, then why are we not preparing preventive war against Russia, which still has a fearsome arsenal of intercontinental ballistic missiles? Or against Pakistan, home to a military-intelligence regime that has been implicated in more major acts of terrorism in the past 10 years than Iran has in the past hundred? The argument that Iran would be deterred does not rest on its reasonableness but on the regime’s desire to survive. “Rulers want to have a country that they can continue to rule,” says Kenneth Waltz, one of the most distinguished theorists of international relations.
To gain credibility with his conservative critics and with the current Israeli government, President Obama has gone along with them, ruled out containment, insisted that he does not bluff and spoken of a “window” of opportunity for negotiations. This might prove a serious error: It boxes in the United States, limits Obama’s options and forces him on a path that could push him into an unnecessary, preventive war.
Anguish over the prospect of an Iranian nuclear weapon is understandable. It would be better for Israel, the Middle East and the world if Tehran does not acquire such weapons. The U.S. effort, in collaboration with almost the entire international community, to prevent this from happening and to put tremendous pressure on Tehran, is the right policy. But were Tehran to persist, were its regime to accept the global isolation and crippling costs that would come from its decision, a robust policy of containment and deterrence would work toward Iran as it did against Stalin’s Soviet Union, Mao’s China, Kim Jong Il’s North Korea and the Pakistani military.
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This sort of common sense and reasonable thinking has no place in today's politics.
Right, common sense...to compare secular totalitarian regimes with a parliamentary theocracy. Fareed, you are truly a fool
Fareed. Maybe you should have paid attention in Poli Sci 101. Communism (Russia)and Totalitarian Theocracies(Iran) are entirely different animals. When a country that threatens war and has terrorist arms spread out all over the place to carry out attacks –...Excuse me, Fareed. What are you thinking? There is no margin for error in nuclear Iran.
P.S. I'm afraid you know less than I do about nuclear deterrance. In game theory, deterrence is founded on cost-benefit analysis. (1) What make nuclear deterrence so special are the intrinsic characteristics of nuclear weapons. (2) Their destructive capability is such that only the most perfect protection against their effects would guarantee that an aggressor’s cost-benefit analysis would favour a gain on his part. Perfect protection, however, simply does not exist. In reality, nuclear deterrence depends on more than just nuclear weapons: it also depends on the proper balance of those weapons to the infrastructure of military' and political power.
Believe P.S. even the theocatic regime knows how to calculate the risks and benefits of their nuclear ambition.
please read: Even the Iran's theocratic regime knows how to calculate their......
Logic101 I think you are wrong!
All govt and people essentially operate the same way encompassing much of the same desirses, fears and human weaknesses. Think of how we would react if we were in their shoes and just then the right path will show itself.
Exactly.
Stop wagging your forked tong and post some references or shut up.
well all these comments have one thing in common: man's point of view!
as a woman I'd say at least one good thing about this is that all you hu-mans are actually talking about this and discussing your points of the view.
so lets hope that something good is coming out of all this: men talking : )
which is way better than: men killing...
(regardless of the tools they use be it the good old sticks and fists or nuclear)
From a psychoanalysis point of view: Fighters are Lovers...
Israel Iran
Russia US
Peace on earth
Once again, our third world reporter has lost his mind. The difference between Iran and Cold War Soviets is that Iran is building these weapons to annihilate a race (the Hebrews). The Soviets were doing it to gain power. Deterrence in the Cold War was feasible. With Iran, it's not. Zak is a left wing nut job that clearly doesn't understand what's really going on here. I wish CNN would get rid of him. Zak's "deterrence" only enables Iran to develop nuclear weapons at will and won't stop anything. Mr. Zak, please grow and brain and put away your third world political nonsense!
I agree – If we knew now what we did not know then about the Nazis, and they were developing a nuke, would be still allow them to proceed? Of course not. Why are we even discussing deterrence? While the young citizens of Iran should rise up and topple their whacked out leaders, they won't do it, leaving others to do it for them. It should be Turkey or Saudi Arabia, but they won't do it. All the Iranian leaders want is to make us believe that they are rational actors, but we all know they are not. Once they get the bomb, they will deliver units to all their actors and threaten that if the US retaliates (after they wipe Israel off the map) then their actors have instructions to attack the US from all sides. They will have deterred us, but the deterrence was never a factor with them.
Pulling $#%^ out of your a s s? Show me credible evidence that they are out to "annihilate Hebrews". And no, Faux News doesn't qualify. You're spewing the same garbage that got us into Iraq.
The Bob. Israel has for a long time now been the boogy man in arab society. It was only 3 years ago here in New York that Amadenijad proclaimed annihilation of the state of israel. I heard him say it with my own ears. The Iranian regime has also threatened israelis across the globe over the last month, which led to the department of homeland security sending messages out to all jewish organizations in america. Stop watching MSNBC and pull your head out of obama's ass. The threat is real for Israel and the US. Iran is not soviet russia. This is not about power, but about destruction of a people.
opportunist and woopitydoo are the prefect examples of the phrase: "Do not underestimate the stupidity of the American people."
Whether the WMD lie happens twice or 20 times or 200 times, it doesn't matter, they'll keep following their deceitful leaders because they're nothing but sheep.
Pull your heads out of your àsses and look for the facts instead of just spouting bs all over the place that you haven't even verified for yourselves. Ahmadinejad did not say he wanted to wipe Israel off the map and that is already PROVEN. Check F'in wikipedia if you don't believe me. People keep ranting about this "Iran wants to destroy Isreal" idea, but there isn't a single SHRED OF EVIDENCE that ANYONE in Iran is actually planning to do such a thing. AND FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME: anti-Israel does not equal anti-semite you dumbàsses!!!!!
Jezus Christ, you id!ots p! ss me off!
If Iran insists on building nuclear reactors the ONLY option left is first strike!
i didnt know "Hebrew" was a race, next time i will pick that as my race for the census question of race
we pay too little for oil now i think $8-9/gallon is a better price. plus united states is not going bankrupt at all we got money to blow. i think its a great idea go bomb iran for israel. since israel has so much use for united states. war is a great idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sarcasm)
lets go bomb iran
Shahin
Americans are so ignorant that every Friday after prayers, after the imams have revved them up, they take to the streets and throw stones, overturn and burn cars, kill anyone who is different. They then go home and beat their wives and children because they feel immasculated by their teeny tiny manhood. Then they smoke cheecha and talk at great kength about how they are going to settle scores from 1000 years ago.
TheBob err Abdul err dingbat give me credible valid reliable references that Iran has not stated multiple times that they would wipe out Israel as soon as they can.
Deterrence does not work where the Iranian Government is willing to martyr its entire nation (knowing that a sure, thorough and swift nuclear response would follow) so that they could get the "bragging rights" that it was they that killed all the Jews in Israel.
High ranking US generals have specifically said they believe Iran is a rational actor. I think I'll take their assessment over a nondescript idi0t's opinion commenting on CNN.
Have you noticed how uncivil the leftists are in their responses? Name-calling is really big in their world. They misstate the facts and invoke George push and Iraq, yet have no cogent reply as to why they think its OK for a fanatical, terrorist regime to build a nuclear bomb.
They are very similar to those who argued that Hitler represented no threat to the world back in the 1930s.
A genius for the obvious, I take it you just don't read the comments from the right? They're so completely civil and never misstate facts. Better get down off your high horse cause FOX News is the biggest reason for all of the incivility between the right and the left, and they practically cornered the market on name calling and misstating and/or omitting facts.
It's hard to see how anyone would care about bragging rights after they're dead.
If you'll observe, these suicide bombers tend to be young and naive. The government of Iran is neither.
You'll never see any terrorist leaders deciding to sacrifice themselves. Bin Laden was living far from the fighting, where he'd be safe. No dummies there.
Major Tom err Abdul err Mohammed . Stop flapping your gums and provide references or shut up.
There is only 1 type of 'deterance' that terrorist Arabs understand..pure, unequivical violence. Death is a release for them. Their grandios image of themselves and their mach desire to prove their manhood is without equal. Now, should a nuclear accident of their own stupidity occur and take out thousands and radiating their city..only then would they reconsider pursuing a nuclear course..death and destruction is their MO..let it be...
Well then it's a good thing they're not arabs, isn't it?
m0r0n.
Sorry about your lack of knowledge, Iran is not an Arab country! Try to read a little bit more ..
All moslems are the same.
They all venerate the book of lies, murder, mayhem... The Q'ran
I agree 100% with Fareed. The notion that the U.S. and Israel can prevent WMD's from falling into the hands of terrorists by preemptive strikes and constant war, is folly. A different strategy is needed. Israel is its own worst enemy because it constantly inflames sentiment against it in the Arab countries by pursuing these policies. Israel is not any more safe by following these policies than we are for invading Iraq and staying forever in Afghanistan.
Iran is not going to go to the expense of making a bomb and then handing it over to terrorists to attack Israel. They know we would figure out it came from them and retaliate. They are not going to nuke anybody because again they know the result is that they would cease to exist. I believe most of the tough talk from them is a combination of Persian pride and internal politics. We are making this bigger than it needs to be.
Can you elaborate on Israeli policies you disagree with, Tom?
preemptive strikes, as I said.
Well, Tom, can you list all "preemptive strikes" Israel committed in the past? I do not recall any...
its the policy of the israeli government to protect its citizens. The manner it has been forced to utilize to protect its citizens is taking out rocket launchers before, during and after launches. sorry you disagree with this approach, tom, but until you have lived with daily attacks you cannot empathize.
Thinker 23: I can only assume you're joking, but just in case you're not:
The invasion of the Sinai in 1956, attack on the arab armies in 1967, the bombing of the USS liberty in the same year, the invasion of Lebanon in 1982, the Osirak Reactor bombing in 1981, the bombing of Tunis in 1985, The bombing of a syrian reactor site in 2007, the SECOND invasion of Lebanon in 2006, I can't think of any more off the top of my head but there's probably more. (and I didn't even mention the 1948 arab israeli war...)
Thinker 23: I can only assume you're joking...
No, I'm not.
The invasion of the Sinai in 1956... was in response to the closure of the Suez Canal and blockade of the Tiran Strait by Egypt. Both these actions were acts of aggression according to the UN Resolution 3314.
... attack on the arab armies in 1967...
Similarly, Israeli actions in 1967 were in response to the closure of the Suez Canal and blockade of the Tiran Strait by Egypt. Both these actions were acts of aggression according to the UN Resolution 3314.
... the bombing of the USS liberty in the same year...
The attack on Liberty was A MISTAKE... unless you believe that Israel DELIBERATELY tried to start a war against the United States.
... the invasion of Lebanon in 1982...
...was in response to more than 10 YEARS of attacks by Lebanese-based terrorists. Each one of these attacks amounted to an act of aggression according to UN Resolution 3314.
... the Osirak Reactor bombing in 1981, the bombing of Tunis in 1985, The bombing of a syrian reactor site in 2007, the SECOND invasion of Lebanon in 2006, I can't think of any more off the top of my head but there's probably more. (and I didn't even mention the 1948 arab israeli war...)
Well, Israel was (and still IS) AT WAR with Iraq, Syria and all other Arab states except Egypt and Jordan. Attacking enemy military installation DURING A WAR is a far cry from an UNPROVOKED PREEMPTIVE STRIKE against a peaceful country. Now I'm asking you again: Can you show one or more of UNPROVOKED PREEMPTIVE STRIKES Israel committed in the past against a peaceful country?
Let Iran march towards acquiring nuclear capabilities. the west cannot stop that no matter how many SANCTIONS they force on Iran. Instead, the west should put all their energies and resources to integrate IRANs' populace as well as the rest of the Arab population on to the world stage. work to bring propserity and reduce or eliminate prejudice against the Iranians and other Arab nations. This is the best answer to solving the OIL CRISIS and the so-called IRAN problem. In the long term Muslims will be embraced by the world community and extremism will be marginalized.
... what a wonderful world!
I agree with you. Nothing can be achieved by antagonizing a people and drumming up calls for war. Embrace the people and they will decide what is best for them. it may take some time but they will. Deterrence works as it did at the height of tensions during the cold war.
You sir are a nut.
That's what Ahmadinjad said too.
The primary danger if Iran obtains nuclear weapons is that they will provide such weapons to proxies. If Hezbollah sets off a nuke in Tel Aviv how does Israel react? If a single nuke detonates in New York from an unknown source, what does the US do? This is and has been Iran's pattern of behavior throughout the Middle East – they use puppet organizations to do their dirty work.
The leaders there will be happy to use proxies to spread destruction and terror.
And the day terrorists detonate a nuclear weapon in New York or Tel Aviv Iran's gonna say "Hmm I wonder who did that...", right?
Give me a break. You Americans should just stick to Hollywood. That's the only place your imagination doesn't harm more intelligent people.
How do you deter someone without credible threat of real force? Deterrence must be backed up with real threat of harm!
Most people would consider America's thousands of nukes and israels hundreds of nukes to be a real threat of harm.
Bill from BC... Most people do not have a problem with cops carrying guns. The very same people have a problem with violent murderers carrying the very same guns. Similarly, VERY FEW peaceful countries are afraid of American or Israeli nukes because neither one of these countries has any reasons to attack PEACEFUL countries. On the other hand, those threatening or even trying to attack other states have understandable concerns about American military power. Similarly, the Arab and Iranian rulers calling for destruction of the Jewish State are afraid of the possible consequences of their efforts.
هل فقدت عقلك؟ ويجب أن هاجمت ايران، وفي اسرع وقت ممكن! لا يمكننا السماح النظام الايراني مجنون تشغيل في جميع أنحاء العالم مع الأسلحة النووية، وتهدد الجميع في طريقها! هذا أمر غير مقبول! ويجب حماية إسرائيل مهما كان الثمن! لا يمكننا السماح لجارتها كما العدوانية كما ان تمتلك ايران اسلحة نووية. من شأنه أن يزعزع الاستقرار في المنطقة! فريد زكريا، استيقظ!
Have just read your article, finally someone has showed common sense, can only hope that the government will also show more common sense also. Enjoy reading your articles in general as you always give excellent takes on todays situations
I run(Iran), Wisttler(Western) can catch me, if they can, is already said it all. Ahmednagat said, "Western can not attack Iran, they will keep talking rather".
woman's view
well all these comments have one thing in common: man's point of view!
as a woman I'd say at least one good thing about this is that all you hu-mans are actually talking about this and discussing your points of the view.
so lets hope that something good is coming out of all this: men talking : )
which is way better than: men killing...
(regardless of the tools they use be it the good old sticks and fists or nuclear)
From a psychoanalysis point of view: Fighters are Lovers...
Israel - Iran
Russia - US
Peace on earth
That is definately wrong, Fareed. The best option however, is to engage the Iranians and make the same deal with them as the U.N. did with South Africa some time ago. That is, South Africa can have nuclear enery for peaceful purposes but not build nuclear weapons. There is absolute no reason for that not to happen with Iran and we need to make Israel agree.
They've tried that already, George. Several times. Iran REFUSED.
Uh... no. IRAN has tried to make just this offer half a dozen times now, AMERICA rejected it out of hand every time.
Your logic is a joke, as is your choice of handle.....you think you're tough like Georgie Patton? I doubt it.
Tom... Calling your opponents stupid works at a kindergarten level but it is not very effective in the elementary school where something more substantial is expected.
Deterence has a negative-cyclical nature. Who is the judge and who is the violator? Judging, in-and-of itself, is a violation of the first commandment and therefore a criminal act (to some), let alone acting on those judgments through administering punishments.
I would say that both sides need to admit thier faults, or the other side will do it for them, through "deterence". This is the path that is most likely. Sad really.
"First commandment" of whose? Are you talking about that book of fairy tales?
أعلن الناطق الرسمي باسم الحكومة علي الدباغ عن ابلاغ الجانب الايراني بعدم السماح بأستخدام أجواء العراق وأراضيه لمرور أية شحنات سلاح الى سوريا. الدباغ اوضح أن الحكومة ابلغت نظيرتها الايرانية من خلال سفيرها في العراق ومبعوثين اوفدتهم الى طهران بعدم السماح بمرور أسلحة أو مسلحين لأي طرف في سوريا. من جانبه قال المستشار الاعلامي لرئيس الوزراء علي الموسوي أن السلطات العراقية ستقوم بتفتيش الطائرات بشكل عشوائي للتأكد من سلامة حمولتها، فضلا عن الشاحنات المغادرة عبر المنافذ الحدودية, مبينا أن تفتيش الطائرات سيتم بأساليب مفاجئ
print in English, YOU TOOL!
Expand your brain, and learn a language other than English, you TOOL
Bien dicho Tim!!!,...The one who speak two languages or three is worth for two,...
Take your chicken scratch to your mosque, where it belongs. Either write in English or get lost.
shut up you hateful little sheet with a brain of a chicken
attack syria and get red of those who killed 12,000 children women and civilians in this way you can tell the muslim world that usa are not killing civilians in afganestan wake up obama and get red of the evil in syria and iran...
You must be a dumb Wahabi or Salafist, Who love Evil Abubakr, Umar, Uthman, Maviya and Yazid and Hate Prophet and his Progeny. In past your ancestors was the servant of Ummayid and Abbasid and now you are Serving Al-e-Saud and Terrorists.
Did God (Allah) appoint you to be judge of them? I don't think so.
The U.S. can never please people in the middle east. If we get involved, people in the streets burn U.S. flags and chant "death to america". If we don't get involved, they posters like this one complain that we do nothing.
There is no way to win. I say, stay out of all of it. Why don't you ask the Saudis to get involved? They have a competent military, sufficiently large to deal with Syria. And they are your Arab brothers. Ask the king.
Staying out of the Middle East will be way more expensive to the US than staying in, Tom. You see, ignoring your enemies NEVER makes them disappear.
Thinker23-
The only reason Arabs and Persians are as you call "enemies" are due to the political, economic and military actions of the US over the past 50 years. Its interesting you invoke UN resolutions to defend your argument for Israeli pre-emptive attacks, but you forget the fact that Israel is in violation of over 80 UN resolutions pertaining to the West Bank and illegal settlements.
Even Hoja Meyer who is a holocaust survivor is against the policies of Israel and the illegal occupation of the west bank.
Both Nelson Mandela and Jimmy Carter call Israel and apartheid state and it is clearly a zenophobic state as well.
Judaism is a religion and not an ethnicity or race. Anyone can convert to become a jew. Does this give them the right to go and bulldoze someone's house because its "holy land" and you are now part of the "chosen people" because you ancient "holy book" says so?
You insult and berade Iranians for their "theocracy" and the mullahs, yet you support a very similar kind of religious fanaticism which demonstrates your hypocritical and biased nature.
"in this way you can tell the muslim world that usa are not killing civilians in afganestan "
When civilians are killed as a result of U.S. military actions, its because of accidental targeting or because some crazy soldier did something he was not ordered to do. The U.S. has a better record of avoiding civilian deaths than any other military. For anyone to say that civilians are killed intentionally by the military command, is a lie. Unfortunately innocents are killed in war. You mention civilian deaths in Afghanistan but then you want the U.S. military to go to Syria. Its illogical.
Let's see if we can have 10 posts with no insults.
There are two kinds of "collateral damage". In the often referenced case, there is a mistake of some kind. In the second case, the military decides that the target is if sufficient value that that any inevitable civillian deaths are acceptable. We have crashed civillian deaths info both types. For example, when we destroyed the Iraqui national TV station during the invasion of Iraq, we knew that non-combatants we're in the building. Israel has also done such strikes such as when it dropped a 1000lb bomb on a house in a residential neighborhood.
But this is not the same or similar to targeting civilians, as some groups supported by Iran do.
It's "get RID", not "get red", you m0r0n. Spend some of that oil money on learning basic English before posting on here. Better yet, just stick to oppressing and raping your women. Nobody in the civilized world cares about what you have to say anyway.
Deterrence causes proxy war. The millions of lives lost in the proxy war between the United States and the USSR was better than all out conflict between the two powers, but it also forces minor actors to suffer most of the costs of war while the superpowers sit back and don't acknowledge their suffering.
I'm not advocating for a preemptive strike or all out war. I'm just saying that deterrence is not a clean option with no costs. Using deterrence, we still funded conflicts in Afghanistan, Iran, Korea, all of which we have significant foreign policy problems in to this day. These costs are significant, long term, and should not be ignored.
The proxy wars were due to the U.S. and Russia trying to get control over territory thru having governments installed who were "aligned". I don't think that type of geopolitical strategy would be applicable in this situation.
Iran funds the Syrian government and supplies them with weapons. They fund the Hezbollah and Hamas. They dare do all of this without nuclear weapons to defend themselves from retaliation. With a nuclear deterrent, they could step up these efforts. I think the situation is very analogous. Iran is very willing to fund proxy wars and spark conflicts all across the middle east. Currently, they are a relatively small player, and if they go too far, they can get their butt kicked by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, or one of its other larger, more powerful neighbors. With a nuclear deterrent, their influence will be vastly strengthened. You also need to get a new Persian history book. In Operation AJAX, the US and Britain overthrew the government of Iran to install the Shah. Google it.
Good post.
So now we are talink about balancing of risks.
The people who think that preventive war Is justified seem to think that Iran will use its weapons once it acquires them. In am undecided and would like to see more reasoned arguments supporting that position.
I see that there are parallels between the USSR and Iran. Iran is the only government of its type. The USSR was also the only government outs type when it started. Both governments understood that they would be viewed with hostility by the West. So they would seek a means to secure their survival. Nuclear weapons secure them from military attack.
All that being said, the religious nature of Iran's government worries me. Worse, there is a messianic component to the religious ideology of the government. These are important differences between them and the Soviets.
But I am also concerned that our religious types are the most vocal in the loud calls for preemptive war. How much of their fear is being driiven by their religious conviction? Religion is no basis for foreign policy.
Our military leaders have said that they think that the Iranian government is a rational actor. Apparently, Israel's intelligence and military communities think the same. Even in Israel, it is it's religious voices who are loudest in calling for pre-emotive war. We should not easily dismiss the views of the people who are best trained to assess these things. I amazed at the number of people who think they know the answers when so many experts are so unsure.
We need to do some more sober thinking and not rush into another war.
Doesn't Zacharia realise that the situation in Iran is exactly the RESULT of the cold war period of deterrence. Of the two great powers trying to bifurcate the world into allies and enemies. That is why Iran ended up being an enemy of the USA.
America's best strategy is to shift to a more sophisticated foreign policy. Instead of the dumbed down "you're either with us or against us" doctrine, America should be looking to form constructive relations with nations such as China and Russia. Imagine that if it had in place such relationships, the international community would indeed be strong enough to deal with threats like Iran.
Well said. I completely agree. If we hadn't installed the Shah and supported his dictatorship for several decades because the democratic government of Iran was talking to the Soviets, the revolution of '79 would never of happened, and we wouldn't have the problems we have today.
Except, we may have done it anyway just for Britain to have their oil. In any case, a smarter foreign policy that considers long term consequences would be very welcome.
You did not install anyone. Back then, you and your family were still riding a donkey around the neighborhood.
Read Iranian (Persian) history Ajax. Outsiders did not install the Shah. I think we supported him because he was giving us
access to listening posts on the border with Russia. And we overlooked his human rights abuses – not that the current Mullah controlled government is any better than the Shah was – different sides of the same brutal coin.
In this case we did a bit more than support.
We participated in the coup which overthrew their socialist. Even then we were in an "us or them" mode and did not distinguish between nationalist, socialist and comunist local governments.
oh, yes-it is always important to avoid today's genocidal threats from a soon to be nuclear nation-and ramble on about "doesn't he realize of course this is our fault"...Hush up..Pay attention-psycho Islam dude-wanting to bring about the end of the world who wants to start by engaging in genocide against Israel to "get the party started"-and you are babbling about what again? Thatnks so much for playing. LOL
Hey bornNraised. everyone knows Fareed Zakaria is a muslim and may be liberal but then who are you? Jew or neocon who hates all muslims and liberals of any religion or race! Stop preaching war and destruction. You say Iran can not be trusted then who you trust? GW Bush or Dick Cheney or Collin Powell who lied about WMD's in Iraq......in a UN speech infront of the whole world? You want us to trust these goons who killed thousands of innocent women, men and children? Just because they hated arab muslims or wanted their oil? Or should the world believe Israel who has all kinds of nukes and killed thousands of Palestinians and stolen their land from them? For your information, I do not hate America neither I am anti jew or Israel but when I read or hear hate and war mongering from people like like you then I wonder and fear how dangerous this world has become? Leave Iran alone and let and live in peace.
This guy is a fool. Russia and China don't want to partner with us!! they want to take us over. They want the U.S. to be vacation land for Russian and Chinese lawyers in love.
LOL...
idiot.......moron......
As Larijani said Iran is not seeking a bomb at least for now. You can be sure as long as Khamenei is alive Iran will not go toward a bomb. He publicly denounce the bomb and in a country like Iran the religious leader cannot change his words without losing his place.
SO a "religious leader" whose religion Islam instructs him to lie to infidels can not change his word? Please. When you start threatening genocide you need to be taken seriously. Only an idiot thinks that this is an "energy program"..
Yes. You don't know any thing about our society. It is almost impossible for him to change his word without losing his job. It is a fatwa and it is not something that he change or lie about. He may not be honest but when he publicly gives a Fatwa it is almost changeable. For example, Khomeini gave a Fatwa to kill Salman Rushdi. At the time,the government of Iran was looking to cancel the Fatwa (because of the cost for the country) but they could not do that since it is a Fatwa.
yeah sure Amir, I believe everything you say because you never lie hehehehe...
Oh, yes a Religions Islamic leader would never lie despite the fact that his religion instructs him to lie to infidels. SO are you lying or are you just not thinking?
I am not going to discuss with you since you will never understand. Personally, I wish he never gave this stupid Fetwa and does not close the possibilities to build a bomb but in reality he did and we should wait until he dies.
Inshallah Ahmadinadork will die soon. The Great Repressive Religious leader Kameini has been talking to his maker, Allah the magnificent, and Ahmadinedork will visit with Allah soon.
So now we are basing our assessment of Iran's motives on the words of the Ayetollah? You gotta be kidding me. And he has credibility because...?.....
Well I undrestand the fatwa,how ever the reason he gave the fatwa not to make the A bomb is because they already have one or more. the black market. money talks hello its any body out there with brain.
Amir... Even if Khamenei will not give the order to USE the bomb there will be enough contenders who will declare him a traitor and a Zionist agent for not giving an order to destroy the "cancer of the Middle East". Then one of these contenders will take over Khameneii's job and will give the order so many Iranians and other Muslims were waiting for so many years.
Amir... Every single ACTION of Iran suggest that Iran IS trying to develop nuclear weapons. No matter who of Iranian leaders declares that this is not the case.
I guess you also believed in your leader GWB that Iraq too possessed WMD's even after we discovered none right?
Well, considering that Saddam USED WMD's killing some 60,000 Iraqi civilians it is pretty safe to assume that he HAD them, genius? GWB was correct.
news flash. All religious leaders lie when they sell you the tales in their various books.
it's part of the job.
It's all about POWER, and u look like you are sucked in just like the rest of the religious zealots...
IN THIS HOSTILE WORLD AS DESCRIBED BY ZAKARIA, NUKES ARE THE BEST SELF-DEFENSE FOR IRAN AND NPT IS STUPID.
Khazaii warned that any Israeli attack on Iranian atomic sites would lead to the collapse of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
"Inevitably attacks on safeguarded nuclear installations of a party to the NPT by a non-party shall lead to the collapse of the NPT,"
oh, you mean the non nuclear proliferation treaty that Israel isn't a party and last time I checked didn't stop anyone from proliferating?? LOL, LOL
you mean the "hostile world" where they fund murderers and terrorist around the globe-specifically Hezballah, Hizballah, many murders in Iraq, assassin teams in Afghanistan. Terrorists in Latin America, at our doorstep with Mexico.
Gee maybe if there was Regime change in Iran-the wonderful Iranian people would flourish and the world as you say would not be so "dangerous" from all the murderous crap Iran is responsible for?
hey captain correct, people like you mention Iran funding hezbullah, hamas and other terrorists groups who kill innocent people but who funds Israel to kill Palestinians and tell me how many has been killed by American funded proxies, CIA agents and dictators around the world? How many people innocent people killed by democratic america in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. vietnam, korea, south america???
hey Ekram u simple minded sandworm.
if the rocket attacks against israel would stop, Israel would stop attacking those who fire.
end of all attacks.
quite simple, isn't it.
@Captain Correct
IT IS US DOUBLE-STANDARD TRICK IN MIDEAST BY ASKING ALL MIDEAST NATIONS TO SIGN NPT BUT NOT ISRAEL.
Does this Zakaria ever make any sense? I keep searching for some logic in his babble.
If Iran could be invaded and attacked, US would have done it in late 70s. With 70mm population with knowledge and capability, it would not be a cake walk. Let us look at situation, Iran has direct control of Iraq( Basra), Syria, Hizbollah, shias in Gulf and KSA. If we put gun to their head, then they can turn up heat in Afghanistan, and Gulf. USA has hands soaked in blood. We made Iran fight bloody war with Iraq for 10 years where 1mm people died. Iran went through that. We do not have Iraq as proxy anymore. So if 600,000 Syrians and 1mm Iranians just decide to fight back i then we would see oil 300$. Once we start we would not know how to stop it. Israel will not attack since there is significant Jews in Iran. It will start a regional war where Pakistan will be under pressure. It will force China and Russia to take sides. So we are talking another 300,000 strong army required and 2-3 trillion cost where KSA and Israel fighting together. Now that is a recipe for spring revolution entering Jordan and Saudis . With Shiates willing to be proxy in Gulf, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia other places this fire cannot be stopped once started. Net net, Iran will gain by standing up to USA and Israel and ME will never be the same again. It this drags on for 2-3 years then USA will be no longer be taken as Super power. India and China will go for resources and may develop it own foot print in ME with Russia. Soon Saudi Arabia and Jordan will engulfed internal chaos. That is not what Israel wants or may be they want this to become a colonial power by giving direct protection to kings thus reinvent British Raj over oil.
By standing up to US, Iran is asking for respect and fair treatment as well as assurance that we will not follow regime change. For 30 years, they look at USA as someone who could always do trick given chance. For them it is matter of survival. Give then assurances and respect they will play ball. Attacking Iran will not solve any problem only push and ME towards a regional war which no body wants.
Oh so they fund Hamas, Hezbalah, murder Iraqis, kill US soldiers in Iraq and Aghanistan, have murderers and terrorists in Latin America and make genocidal threats wants "respect"? Maybe they should buy a record from Aretha Franklin or join some Gang Bangers in South Central???
Can you prove that! Do you have eyeness account or concrete proof that Iran has sponsored such terrorism or are you just relying on what the war mongering right has stated? Rightwingwar lunatics!
hey Blah Blah....
it doesn't even come down to that.
when a country repeatably publicly declares it's intent to destroy another country, and is acquiring nuclear weapons, and it's religion promotes martyrdom above life, that's about all the justification you need to blow them to hell.
If Zionazi Israelis insist on keeping their nukes to threaten its neighbors and keep its hegemony and illegal colonies in Palestine, then all of its neighbors have the right to have nukes. Blame Israel. Iran signed in to UN resolution to make the Mideast nukes free zone. Only Israel rejected and had the US veto it at the UN.
Israel doesn't threaten Iran with nukes. Maybe they should.
Israel shouldn't have nukes either. I doubt Iran would want them if Israel didn't keep clubbing all it's neighbors and stealing their lands.
If the Arab states and Iran were assured that Israel did not have nuclear weapons they would try to destroy Israel (again...) as they've done in 1948, 1967 and 1973. A large scale conventional war in the Middle East would result in hundreds of thousands of casualties and a serious economic crisis in the entire world. This means that Israeli nukes are a guarantee of peace in the Middle East. Allowing Iran to acquire nuclear weapons will sooner rather than later result in a NUCLEAR war in the Middle East with many millions of casualties and an economic crisis of epic proportions in the rest of the world. Are you sure that THIS is what you want?
You're delusional and insane!
so blah blah,
what part is "delusional"??
what part is not true??
Tony... Can you NAME the neighboring countries Israel stole lands from? Thank you.
Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon!
"Jordan, Palestine, Syria and Lebanon"...
Well, let us see. Jordan signed a peace agreement with Israel and does not have any territorial claims against Israel. The lands Israel took from Jordan (Jerusalem) NEVER belonged to Jordan because these lands were illegally occupied and annexed by Transjordan during the war o 1948.
THERE IS NO STATE OF PALESTINE and, therefore, there are no lands that could be "stolen" from it.
Israel took the Golan Heights from Syria after winning a war Syria started. This is NOT "stealing" by any stretch of imagination. Further, Israel was (and is) open to peace negotiations with Syria. If and when the leaders of Syria will decide to NEGOTIATE a peace agreement with Israel this future peace agreement will include exact definition of the borders between Israel and Syria.
Israel DID NOT take any land from Lebanon and it was confirmed by the United Nations.
Do you want another try?
I am a lying azzhole and proud if it.
Well, this is correct and I have to congratulate you, Tony. Making one true statement is a first step to telling the truth in the future.
ahhh..truth!
your stock just went up in my book.
now if you could only teach blahblah......
Stop with this Israel stealing land. Biblically, historically, this is their land. Islam will never accept any religion any state unless it's Islamic.
we must attack iran now................................all the minor evil will fall...iraqi shiia thugs, syria bashar al kalb and the terrorists hizboallah we must act now before it is too late.................many will help israel to end the persian mullas those towel head shiia muslims are terrorists
Respected, Mr. Fareed Zakaria Garu, Detterrent and Negotiation is no need to Iran. Because, Iran is a big Democratic country.
You get to vote for a mullah from group a
and a mullah from group b.
Thats democracy, the candidates are hand picked and pre-aproved.
and your non-point is???
deterrence doesn’t work if the president has dismantled and weakened your Armed forces.
For deterrence to work you need a strong milatary and a strong leader that no one will mess with. Shame Obama is not that guy. The Iranians see another Jimmy Carter at the helm.
Deterrence works when you are trying to deter a rational actor.
The leadership of Iran claims to believe that if they die in pursuit of their aims they will go straight to Paradise, this is not rational.
So, we keep on trying to deter them from increasing their nuclear capability, and they keep on agreeing to talk about thinking about talking about it while they keep increasing their capability.
الأخبار | الفضائية | المعرفة | الإقتصاد والأعمال | حريات وحقوق
الأحد 18/3/2012 م (آخر تحديث) الساعة 7:28 (مكة المكرمة)
الرئيسية: حريات و حقوق: أخبار: أكثر من 10 آلاف قتيل بسوريا
أكثر من 10 آلاف قتيل بسوريا
عدد القتلى مرشح للارتفاع في حال تغطية كل الوقائع(الفرنسية) قالت الشبكة السورية لحقوق الإنسان في لندن في تقرير لها إن 10130 شخصا قتلوا في سوريا منذ اندلاع الثورة في مارس/آذار 2011، ونشرت الشبكة قائمة تتضمن أسماء جميع القتلى وتواريخ وأمكنة مقتلهم.
وذكرت الشبكة أن من بين القتلى 676 طفلا وطفلة و520 امرأة و753 عسكريا من القوات العسكرية والأمنية الموالية للنظام ومن الجنود المنشقين والجنود الذين رفضوا إطلاق النار، وأضافت أن 368 شخصا لقوا حتفهم تحت وطأة التعذيب.
وتوزع القتلى وفق ما جاء في القائمة الاسمية على 14 محافظة، تتقدمها من حيث العدد حمصبـ3767 قتيلا، ثم إدلبالتي شهدت مصرع 1495 شخصا، تليهما كل من حماةودرعاوريف دمشق ودير الزور واللاذقية ودمشق وحلبوالحسكة وطرطوس والقنيطرة والرقة والسويداء.
وأوضحت الشبكة السورية لحقوق الإنسان بسوريا أن هذه الأرقام تمثل خلاصة ما تمكنت من توثيقه بالتعاون مع أكثر من 2000 ناشط حقوقي على الأرض وأكثر من 100 "كيان ثوري وتنسيقي" للثورة في الداخل السوري.
وأشارت الشبكة إلى أنها لم تتمكن من تغطية كل الوقائع وتوثيقها بسبب التضييق الأمني والملاحقة و"ارتكاب مجازر" وسط انقطاع كامل للاتصالات عن بعض المناطق التي حدثت وتحدث فيها تلك "المجازر"، ما يجعل عدد القتلى مرشحا للارتفاع بشكل أكبر مما هو مدرج بالقائمة الاسمية.
واستشهدت بما حصل في اجتياح حماة في أغسطس/آب من العام الماضي حيث دفن العشرات من الجثث في حدائق المنازل دون التمكن من التحقق من هوياتها قبل دفنها بسبب الظروف الأمنية وقتها.
مسؤولية الأسد
وحملت الشبكة السورية لحقوق الإنسان مسؤولية كل أفعال القتل والتعذيب والمجازر التي حدثت في سوريا لرئيس الدولة القائد العام للجيش والقوات المسلحة بشار الأسد، وقالت إن كل أركان النظام السوري التي تقود الأجهزة الأمنية والعسكرية شريكة مباشرة في تلك الأفعال.
وطالبت مجلس الأمن الدولي بتحمل مسؤولياته بشكل صادق وعدم العمل بمعايير مزدوجة وبإحالة المسؤولين عن ارتكاب جرائم ضد الإنسانية في سوريا إلى المحكمة الجنائية الدولية دون أي تأخير أو مماطلة.
ولفتت الشبكة إلى أنها تعتمد معايير صارمة في التوثق من أي معطى قبل إدراجه من خلال التحقق من شخصين لا يعرف أحدهما الآخر عن ذلك المعطى قبل اعتماده في قائمة القتلى.
كما أنها تؤكد احتفاظها بآلاف الصور والملفات المصورة والإفادات الخطية عن كل التفاصيل الواردة بخصوص أي من القتلى المدنيين والعسكريين الموجودين في القائمة، وفق أدق المعايير الدولية في توثيق انتهاكات حقوق الإنسان، حسب تعبيرها.
المصدر: الجزيرة
I think you need to replace the blue cartridge....
IRAN IS EVIL , THE EVIL LIE, EVIL KILL, EVIL ALWAYS LOSE.................................
UN PROVED THAT MORE THAN 12,000 PEOPLE WERE KILLED BY SYRIAN BASHAR AL KALB SHIIA THUGS GOVERNMENT.......................SHIIAZIM = EVIL
The author of this 'article' is constantly backing Muslims and Obama at all costs. He is a liberal to the core and cannot in any way be counted on to be unbiased in his 'contributions'. Constantly we see anti-American statements from him in context of the global community. Hey Fareed- Iran is dangerous, always has been and always will be. The reason Deterrence doesn't and won't work on them is that they cannot be trusted. They remain the number ONE sponsor of terrorist in the world and you are o.k. with them having nukes? I think maybe you would like to see Israel "wiped off the Earth".
State the policy anyway you want as long as it says we don't go to war unless attacked. Preventing a war by starting a war makes no sense. The Vietnam war, the Iraq war, and the Afghan war were all wars we started and were a waste of lives and money.
I can assure you that Israel will not just sit idle waiting to be nuked by Iran. Sorry...
You're right! Perhaps they'll take action and bring their own demise!
israel is the most trained air force and with the best jet fighters money can buy but they only attack groups or countries that wont retaliates like killing defencesless childrens ,women or old folks.example they bombed iragis nuk site or syria nuk site but when it comes to iran they just talk . they have been saying that for years that they are going to attack iran for years but no actions why because they are the best and trained for killing children ,women and old folks that can not defend themself. too much talk about israelis attaking iran that would never happens,rememeber they are too weak to attack a country like iran.sorry you guys waisting your time.
Israel will not use force against Iran unless as a last resort when there will be no other option to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. If it happens, however, Israel will not ask for anyone's permission to defend itself and will use enough force to assure that Iran will not be willing (or able) to launch a counter-attack.
You're a genius! Thank you!
Very good poin "vietvet!"
the cancerous regime of the terrorist state of Iran needs to be surgically removed. Its evil is unquantifiable.
And so should that thing between your legs!
Nice Freudian slip....
it always comes down to this...middle eastern men filled up with too much testostorone due to women covered up...
Thanks for confirming it.
Can I just state for the record that Fareed Zakariah never ceases to amaze me with his rose-colored Iran glasses. He really needs to get off the prozac. It makes him think Hezbollah and Hamas are floral deliveries instead of nuclear ones.
Well, he can't get off the prozak because you suplied him with your prescription!
so it was spelled correctly, and you still managed to screw it up....
methinks your trailer is missing it's axles....
moqtada al sadder and mahdi militia the terrorists iraqi shiia let go one usa soldeir that they captured since 2011 and they say we let him go as free well juster !!!!!!why you captured him in the first place you peace of sh it shiia thugs , he was defending you ..why shiia killed many usa people in iraq and iran, becuase they are terrorists thugs...usa should start attacking bashar al asad in syria hizboallah , and iraqi shiia change those thugs and terrorists before we deal with iran, the time is for the shiia to be hit hard so they can give up arm and terrorizim...
التيار الصدري يفرج عن جندي أميركي
مقتدى الصدر أمر الجناح العسكري للتيار بالإفراج عن الرقيب هيلز (وكالة الأنباء الأوروبية) أفرج التيار الصدري السبت في بغداد عن أميركي قال إنه جندي محتجز منذ صيف عام 2011، وأوضح أن الافراج جاء "لأسباب إنسانية".
وقالت النائبة العراقية بالتيار الصدري مهى الدوري إن مقتدى الصدرأمر الجناح العسكري للتيار بالإفراج عن المواطن الأميركي، مضيفة أنه جندي يدعى راندي مايكل هيلز وهو رقيب متقاعد يبلغ من العمر 59 عاما.
كما ذكر مصدر بالتيار في النجف أن الافراج تم لأسباب إنسانية، لافتا إلى عدم حصول أي مفاوضات مباشرة أو غير مباشرة مع الأميركيين أو أي جانب آخر.
وأضاف المصدر نفسه أن الإفراج عن المواطن الأميركي يمثل بادرة حسن نية من زعيم التيار مقتدى الصدر للدلالة على "القيم الأخلاقية والإنسانية والعقائدية للمقاومة الإسلامية العراقية".
وسلم الجندي المفرج عنه إلى بعثة الأمم المتحدة في بغداد التي نقلته إلى السفارة الأميركية، وأكد المتحدث باسم السفارة أن هيلز مواطن أميركي دون تقديم مزيد من التفاصيل.
وفي تصريحات مقتضبة للصحفيين، قال هيلز إنه أرسل للعراق عام 2003، وعمل بادئ الأمر جنديا لمدة 15 شهرا.
وأضاف أنه ظل في العراق بصفة مدنية منذ ذلك الحين وحتى يونيو 2011 عندما أخدته عناصر من "اليوم الموعود" رهينة، في إشارة إلى مليشيا لواء اليوم الموعود التابعة لجيش المهدي.
يُذكر أن وزارة الدفاع الأميركية (بنتاغون) تقول إنه لم يتم إدراج أي فرد من جنودها رهينة بالعراق منذ استعادة رفات آخر جندي مفقود الشهر الماضي.
better....
now try the green cartridge....
kingkong? Are you an ape trying to read the english language? Go crawl back under your rock caveman!
I could not disagree more with Mr. Zaharia. We cannot let the homicidal, suicidal government of Iran to even come close to developing a nuke. They use their proxy groups Hezbollah and Hamas to carry out terror attacks. Many of the weapons used by Iraqi and Afghan insurgents originated in Iran. They have called for Israel to be wiped out, and with a bomb I think they'll try to do it. I say, this is not just an American or an Israeli problem, but a problem for the whole world. If Iran gets a nuke, every country in the middle east will want one. It's time for the international community to step up.
October 27, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Reply
DR ABO WAQASS- CALGARY -ALBERTA
HOW CAN WE ATTACK IRAN- part 1 of 10 parts.
I USE USA FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN INCREASE THE JETS FIGHTERS IN THAT SIDE.
2- KEEP SOME GOOD FORCE IN IRAQ AND KUWAIT TO DEAL WITH THE SHIIA THUGS WHO WILL SUPPORT IRAN FORM the Iraqi evil government side.
3- keep tanks and jets in Kuwait
4- improve the bases in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and uae
5- ask Qatar to not help or involve with Iran
6- increase USA sea base and naval strength in Bahrain
7-prepare the submarines in the red sea, Mideastern sea, and the Arabian sea
8- close down the straight of hermoze and increase inspections on Iranians boat and ships
9- keep forces in Turkmenistan north of Iran ,and the turkey borders.
10-keep economic bloc-aid
11- attack with multi nations France, Germany, Italy, holand, and UK ,use every thing you got to finish the mission
12-help with money and arms the resistant ( KURDS, ARABESTAN, LOURS, TURKS, BAHA'I, PERSIANS, BELOOSH, SUNNIS , CHRISTENS , ASSYRIANS GROUP AND MUJAHEDIN KHLAQ FIGHTERS ) use every means of propaganda TV, radios, news and secret short wave radios to teach the masses what to do and where to get weapon and money and how to attack the enemy and destroy the enemy war machine and infrastructures,
13- use virus to attack Iran computers and army computers, destroy their satellites, command and controls, nooks sites,
and attack QUM as the mullahs will hide at their shrines and use it to make fatwas .
14- freeze all Iran assets, stop them from immigrations or coming here as most are using USA and Canada to send money to Hezbollah and Iraqi thugs, stop Ahmad AL jalabi and arrest him as he is one of Iran spies
15-help Dr ayad alawi to take over Iraq as he won the election but Iran put AL maleki instead, Al maleki pretend he is with USA but he is a lire,
16 control the Iran Iraqi boarder and Syria Iraq border by using drones so no shiia can cross to Iran from Iraq and Syria
17- Iraqi kurds can help from north Iraq, the Sunni can help from west Iraq and the resistant can attack from inside Iran
18-Israel can take care of Hezbollah and leash hell if those terrorists Hezbollah attack Israel , that's why we must get red of Syrian regimes now to cut Iran arms before attacking Iran
I will write part 2 in detail on how we can do it .
BS! What make you so sure these countries would involve themselves in such an illegitimate and unjust attack on Iran? And what crime did Iran commit for a coalition of nations to attack it and kill its people? Attack Iran before its too late? Too late for what? Why don't you go back under your trailer or better yet, drink some Kool-Aid?
Pointing a gun at a cop is not a crime yet. Still, it is a good enough reason for the cop to shoot and, possibly, kill the person pointing a gun at him. Similarly, threatening to destroy another state may result in that other state to take the threats seriously enough to take action in order to defend itself.
actually, pointing a gun at a cop is equivalent to threatening a cop, which is a crime.
what you are outlining is "to start War World III".
THIS WILL NOT HAPPENS BECAUSE Gauging Arab public opinion Israel and The US are seen as more threatening than Iran. AMID US MASSACRES AND QURAN BURNING IN AFGHANISTAN
BUT, YOU CAN ADD YOUR DILLUTION AS AN APPENDIX TO THE BIBLE OR MAKE A HOLLYWOOD MOVIE.
Seems AIPAC's paid comment writers are dispatched in thousands to repeat the same lines of nonsense every time Fareed writes something. Interesting that the same chicken hawks argue that Iran will not retaliate if attacked because it knows it will be destroyed. Suddenly they are counting on Iran's rationality in order to tell you that the cost/benefit of an attack is in order. But another time they will tell you that Iran is irrational and thus should be attacked. Iran even refused to use WMDs when it was attacked by chemical weapons by Saddam. Enriching Uranium is legal under NPT and NY Times reported yesterday again that both Israeli intelligence and the US believe that Iran hasn't even decided to build nukes.
Well stated!
If you believe in the AIPAC paid NY Times report that Iran did not even decide to build nuclear weapons you should have no troubles to explain HOW will Iran possibly USE hundreds of intermediate- and long-range ballistic missiles it acquired during the last several years. Please consider that these missiles are virtually harmless without proper warheads.
How would Iran possibly use intermediate long and short range ballistic missiles? Well, your question will be answered when or if Iran's sovereignty is violated!
Bla, bla... I'll take this as an admission that you can not answer my question. Don't worry, no one can...
who is in control of USA's media, banks, politics, military and every organizations? Can someone answer this question? What does an average American know about these issues?
Yes, that's why Iran has built its nuclear facilities deep inside mountains and far underground with concrete fortifications, and also why it hides its nuclear program from inspectors. It is using a huge amount of its national wealth on this program in a country where the people are becoming increasingly impoverished. Their leaders speak often of eliminating Israel and have a yearly "World without America" week. They train and arm terrorists, and have said it would be worthwhile for Iran to be destroyed if it means Islam would triumph with the destruction of Israel. Fareed, you are either a liberal fool or the kind of Muslim who likes what would happen if Iran were to get its nukes.
This has been going on for TOO long!.. If this was going to work!, It already WOULD HAVE!... 1936 this was tried with Germany back then they called it APPEASEMENT and we all know how that worked out!, With the WHOLE WARLD AT WAR!... A MAD DOG is a mad dog and CAN NOT be reasoned with!, You have NO CHOICE but to put them down!..People will always say YOU DO have a choice!... Wishfull thinking will get you NOTHING... Time is WHAT HITLER WANTED and Iran Wants the SAME THING!...It is TIME to lay this to rest and DO what no one wants to do!, But MUST BE DONE and the World also knows it TOO... Crazy people with NUKES will use them just as HITLER DID!...Obammy is a fool and will stab Israel in the BACK !,If given half a chance... Israel SHOULD NOT TRUST OBAMMY!... He is a CONSUMATE LIAR!...
Are you insane or just stupid? Are you trying to compare Iran to Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany was on a quest to conquer the world and that is why it blitzed and invaded all of Europe and North Africa! Iran is not even trying to control or take any portion of its own region but just trying to take care of its people! Did the Iranian government ever said that it wanted to take over the Middle East or the world? You war mongers are just ludicrous!
Well, Iranian leaders declared MANY times that they were wiling to destroy the "regime in Jerusalem" as well as the "cancer of the Middle East", did not they?
Are you insane or just stupid?
Both.
This poor disturbed fellow forgot to take his medication again...
But all the talk about deterrence is unnecessary and irrelevent especially if there is no concrete proof and no actuality that Iran is in deed trying to build a nuclear bomb! What are you deterring? An attempt by Iran to build a nuclear bomb or just trying to highten the call for deterrence based on speculation or assumption? Its this same kind of assumption over suspected WMD's in Iraq that has lead to the carnage and misery in Iraq!
People like YOU is WHY this is STILL on going!... It takes a REAL MAN or woman in the White House to see this for WHAT IT IS!...Then to take REAL ACTION to END this!...
You mean dictators in the White House like GWB who lied to the American people, the UN and the world community about bogus WMD's and destabilized Iraq and the region for a hundred years, killed thousands of innocent people there, in Afghanistan and in America? Why don't you go jump off a cliff and do all of us a favor?
Can you tell us HOW will Iran possibly USE hundreds of its intermediate- and long range ballistic missiles that are virtually harmless without proper warheads, genius? In exchange I'll tell you that Saddam not only had but USED WMDs killing some 60,000 of Iraqi civilians.
Yes, and the sky is green!
"no concrete proof"....therein lies the jist of the problem.
if Iran would just let the nuclear inspectors go where they want when they want, they could validate Iran is not chasing the nuclear bomb.
but Iran won't. And they risk massive destruction in their country by not doing so....such a simple way to avoid massive financial and property loss.....
the only rational explanation is that the inspectors would acquire "concrete proof" if allow to inspect properly.
so, mr sandworm....the simple question is, why won't they allow the inspectors to do their job and avoid all this mess?
Duh! Didn't we do that in Iraq and the dictator and war criminal GWB expelled UN inspectors from doing their job to start an unjust and illegitimate war? In 2003 UN inspectors were on the ground dismantling short and long range missiles before the eyes of the world and the Iraq military was being made ineffective and obselete. Subsequently, Iraq was no longer a threat to its neighbors and neither was it an imminent threat to the US. But the dictator and war criminal GWB interrupted the UN inspectors and forced them out of Iraq to start his illegitimate war. So why should Iraq trust the west?
The only thing Al Capone could be Convicted of was Tax Evasion!.. Does That mean he WAS JUST A BUSINESSMAN!... In your eyes That would be the Truth!... People that lived in Chicago at the TIME will TELL YOU DIFFRENT!.........Wishing something to be true will NOT make it SO!... Reality is WHAT IT IS some people will never see it for WHAT it Truely is!...
did u spill coffee on your CAPS key? it's intermittently sticking...
As for Dictators in the White House!... First we HAVE TO PASS THE BILL to see what's in it!... This is Exactly WHAT DICTATORS DO!...
It was OK when Bush did it.
And YES, he pulled the same thing.
Comparing Cold War US vs USSR and Iran vs Big and Little Satan is moronic. Deterrence works because both sides fear certain death. For the extremist Islamist however, death is a great victory. This being obvious, how is deterrence supposed to work? Fareed, you have really not thought this out again, have you!
Hey, I've got a good idea! Let's bomb the heck out of them, invade, then occupy. They will welcome us as liberators, won't they?
You mean like Iraqi Freedom? Well, just ask the Iraqis how they are enjoying their freedom now when their market places and places of worships are being blown up each and every day!
no, that doesn't work well as history has taught us.
No more human loss on our side.
just drones and cruise missiles....nonstop....forever...
it's all about "life as you know it".
in the west, 1st world countries, we have everything to live for....all the luxuries of the world at our fingertips. Quite simply, we enjoy life. So deterrence works.
In Iran, 3rd world country, they have nothing to live for....life is intolerable...that's why they promote martyrdom. It's the best way out. That is why deterrence will not work.
Such is the saga of the sandworm....
Fareed would likely have suggested that the world contain Hitler rather than block the rebuilding of the German armed forces and air force for the same reasons he would suggest mere containment of a nuclear bomb owning Iraq. This type of cowardice only leads to a far wider conflict and ramifications, as it did in 1939. A rare time that Fareed has demonstrated cowardice in the face of an obvious threat of a nuclear bomb owning Iraq.
Fareed gets the Neville Chamberlain award this week for Gross Appeasement ! Proliferation of nuclear weapons is the greatest threat to human civilization there is.
ITS SKOPJA OR FYROM..... NOT JUST MACEDONIA!!!
I think the iranian leaders and the american ,eu leaders they all working for one thing higher oil prices so they could all make more money and you guys talk BS oh iam sorry more BS .
The view of Zakaria is shortsighted. He argues that Iranian regime would refrain from the use of nuclear weapons
because this would threaten its survival. Inevitably the time will come when the biggest threat to the regime will be
from within Iran. At this point the regime may take its chances with the regional nuclear war as its only path to
at least a short-term survival.
Iran may aquire nuclear capabilities that could hurt the U.S. but they will never be capable of delivering a mortal blow
to the U.S. However, in 2-3 years they may be capable of destroying Israel. Zakaria is, apparently, prepared to take
that chance but I doubt that Israelis are.
Eugene, Iran might not be able to deliver a mortal blow to the US, but a few nukes in major US cities, or even just one, would be devastating. And you know they will try to sneak them in through the networks they have already set up in Latin America. This problem is not going away unless we deal with it directly.
I do not want to go into technical details but delivering a nuke to the U.S. by land through Latin America has little chance
of success. The most serious danger for the U.S. is still the one mentioned by Einstein in his letter to Roosevelt: A nuke
delivered to a U.S. port by a cargo ship. This may happen one day if we allow every crazy regime to have nuclear weapons.
Well, genius, what if the bad guys will just load a nuclear devce on a commercial airliner and then detonate it just prior to landing in JFK International? If the world will allow them o HAVE nukes they'll find a way to USE them.
Fourth week in a row that Fareed's Sunday column is about the same thing.
Zakaria,s view its best i have read,i just dont undrestand why some of you guys dont get it ,either you have been paid to think this way or you are part of the problem, iran will never use a nuklear weapon ,perhaps no one can use it,all these arguments is about regime change that is it...nothing els or if iran reconizes israel and stop suporting hezbolah and hamas.am i right or wrong .you guys talking like iranian are crazy to use a nuklear weapon,they just want to sell energy and make money without being conected to west and america .
What makes it interesting is that Iran is doing what NPT allows it to do, enriching uranium and it is sanctioned and threatened exactly for that. Even according to Mossad and CIA Iran has not an active nuclear weapon program as NY Times also reported only two days ago. NIE report says the same. But this doesn't matter to the same guys that pushed US into the Iraq debacle. The swarming tactic of these commentators under such articles are organized by AIPAC. They also repeat the same fabricated narratives.
If you believe that Iran does not plan to obtain nuclear weapons ou should have no troubles to explain HOW will Iran possibly use hundreds of its intermediate- and long-range ballistic missiles that are virtually harmless without proper warheads. As of now NO ONE was able to produce a coherent answer to this simple question. Why don't you give it a try?
Why does anybody have conventional long range missiles, cruise missiles, etc. ? Start thinking. Countries use conventional missiles to strike back to increase the cost of war psychologically and hitting economic targets. Israelis even complain when a Palestinian throw a pebble stone at their tanks. So why are you so bothered with small unprecise rockets from Gaza ?
The primary danger if Iran obtains nuclear weapons is that they will provide such weapons to proxies. If Hezbollah sets off a nuke in Tel Aviv how does Israel react? If a single nuke detonates in New York from an unknown source, what does the US do? This is and has been Iran's pattern of behavior throughout the Middle East – they use puppet organizations to do their dirty work.
The leaders there will be happy to use proxies to spread destruction and terror.
There is one reason nuclear deterence works.... It is "the" reason there has not been a major war since 1945.
The simple fact is that nuclear weapons do not distinguish the elite from the common man... If you take out a city with a 2 megaton device, an awful lot of rich folks are going to be incinerated along with the rabble. The eductated elite are going to suffer the same fate as the common man... They can't send armies to suffer and die for them post-nuclear, they are now going to be part of the carnage...
This is about self-interest in the end... The rich value their own lives above anything else, and if they have to endure peace in order to stay comfortable, then they will make that "sacrifice" in the name of survival... If they have to spare the common man to live comfortably, then they will make that sacrifice, as well.... Greed knows no bounds, until it meets up with a nuclear weapon, then it gets very practical... very quickly.
Any nation that threatens to wipe another nation off the face of the earth, should be prevented from having a nuclear weapon. Enough said...
Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad.
The most infamous quote, "Israel must be wiped off the map", is the most glaringly wrong. In his October 2005 speech, Mr. Ahmadinejad never used the word "map" or the term "wiped off". According to Farsi-language experts like Juan Cole and even right-wing services like MEMRI, what he actually said was "this regime that is occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."
If we want to control the spread of nuclear weapons,then an open and transparent enforcement of the NPT
is an absolute necessity.Inspection of nuclear facilities has to be done for both Iran and Israel quite
irrespective of other foreign policy initiatives.War like propaganda will drive up oil prices,weaken the
Eurozone further and go against the successful experience of limiting nuclear weapon states throughout most of the
second half of the 20th.century.
I used to watch GPS because I thought it was one of the few programs on television that was truely "fair & balanced". After watching Fareed's performance this week, I no longer feel that way. He clearly has a strong bias towards the left as opposed to a clear independent view. I just wish there was one program on TV that didn't pander to the left or right!
Hard to tell.
But we have a problem.
Google 'ryan crocker j orlin grabbe'
Regards,
Google 'embedded contoller forth for the 8051 family'
Fareed ignores the most critical distinction here in drawing parallels between deterrence policies against Iran versus against the former Soviet Union. And missing this point essentially makes this entire piece ridiculous.
Against the Soviets, you were talking about a major super power vying for dominance against the U.S. on the world scene. The Soviet Union was hardly a rogue nation, they weren't linked to any sort of guerilla warfare or acts of terrorism, and it was obvious that any sort of nuclear war would end in the mutual annihilation of both countries. It became an arms race against a defined and rational enemy.
Against the Iranians, you're talking about a country that is certainly not trying to compete with the U.S. for global dominance. However, it is more than willing to support guerilla and terrorist warfare. The great fear about the Iranians gaining nuclear capabilities really is that they might put nukes in the hands of these terrorists or do something crazy enough like fire off some nukes in the direction of Israel. In other words, the Iranians are more than happy to fight dirty and do NOT subscribe to the rules of warfare that the rest of the world does. They could care less about how they look to the rest of the world and international objection does little to reign them in.
Two completely different situations here... People are free to decide whether deterrence as an option is good or bad, but frankly, this piece is about comparing apples to oranges and fails to support its own conclusions.
Your own ignorance is obvious. There is a direct comparison between Iran and Nazi Germany. (Iran even means Aryan.) Hitler was not deterred from attacking Russia, even though his military staff thought it insane. The leader of Iran, like Hitler, has no trouble in sacrificing his population for "the cause." Iran has already begun it's conquest of the Mid-East, by its actions in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia, and its actions against Israel and its support for actions against US troops in Afghanistan. Zakaria's article on deterrence was illogical to the point of being stupid. Hitler was driven by his vision of Aryan superiority. Iran's leader is driven by his vision of Shiite superiority.
If President Truman had the ability to eliminate the Soviet Union's nuclear capability before it got off the ground, he would logically have done so, instead of forcing the United States to rely upon deterrence for decades to come. Deterrence with a necessary choice with the Soviet Union because there was no other viable option. With Iran, the United States doesn't need to rely upon deterrence and can nip the threat in the bud.
I would not be so sure. The price that you have to pay to destroy Iran's capabilities is too high and can actually destroy country in indirect ways.
Fareed, your weekly "takes" seem to be becoming ever-more bizarre and divorced from reality. Deter Iran, a country run by fanatical nutcases? You are selective in your anaogies. Perhaps the best analogy is with Hitler – could he have been deterred? Or – as happened – would he fight to the end, destroying everything in a Wagnerian climax? I think Iran is like the Nazis. The rational West needs to crush this animal before it devours itself and us.
Fareed – regarding your thoughts (3/18) concerning Iran, I don't agree with the premise of your narrative, nor the conclusion. The cold war comparison to the other nuclear powers seems out of place and somewhat dated. If Iran actually develops a nuclear weapon, it would further destablize an already unstable middle east. For their own protection, the other powers in the region would also be compelled to develop their own nuclear weapons as a counter to Iran. In addition, Iran would have the potential to act as a nuclear weapons vendor/supplier to a number of other terrorist groups. Or, in the alternative, provide certain technical capabilities to these groups. Further, Iran could also use these groups as proxies to attack the U.S. as well as its allies. Lastly, Iran is a religious theocracy (dictatorship) that routinely arrests, totures, and murders its own people - they are religious fanatics that understand one thing - the use of power. They are on a mission - develop a nuclear weapon to further their influence in the region and beyond.
Why would other countries in the Middle-East want nuclear weapons? Iran is only (diplomatically!!) hostile towards the Arab nations and most of them are under American protection and influence. So, no, Iran is not a threat to any of them.
As for selling secrets to terrorists; don't you think it would be a little too obvious if somehow after Iran got nuclear, so did the terrorists? Pakistan and Saudi Arabia BREED terrorists yet one of them is nuclear and the other is a major US ally. And Iran, just because it sends money and weapons to Hamas and Hezbollah (as if the US has never supported terrorist organizations to fight proxy wars) is suddenly a threat to the entire world?
You're falling for the "muslim threat" lie all over again.
really? hehehe...
Fareed, deterrence is a very logical approach when you have two existing nuclear powers. We're not there yet. Right now the issue with Iran is non-proliferation. Iran does not have the weapons yet, so advocating deterrence is very premature, and does not appropriately address the current state of reality. When you advocate deterrence with Iran, you effectively concede and accept their development of nuclear weapons. Is that really what you want?
You say Republicans have flip-flopped, from the old "mutually assured destruction" (MAD) approach with existing nuclear powers considered enemies, to persuing non-proliferation. Yours is a liberal flip-flop, but one that is very premature and not yet appropriate.
regarding your comment on right wingers favouring war,
i would argue that they are just stoking the fire of
intervention in iran,to keep gas prices going up.
that would definitely be the death knell to their nemesis,
president obama
Deterrence is an enduring policy, this of course is why we maintain our nuclear deterrent capability, so the argument we need to pursue a deterrence policy falls flat because we already do. The effectiveness of deterrence is assumed, there is no way to prove it works, or will work since it depends on the potential adversary's perception of the risk versus gain of obtaining or using nuclear weapons. Obviously our deterrence to convince nations not to develop nuclear weapons has failed (Pakistan, North Korea), because the value of obtaining these weapons was deemed to be more value than the risk/deterrence of not. That same calculation may be used when it comes to using them, and as mentioned by others already the USSR was likely more rational than the current actors in Iran, so the debate over whether we should depend on deterrence is a valid debate. The cost of being wrong will be severe.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. Deadly wrong.
1.) The Iranian leaders are extreme Islamic fundamentalists and it is their religious ideology that drives them. They are willing to die as martyrs and see it as necessary to bring about the return of the savior of Islam, al Mahdi that will herald the establishment of Islam throughout the world. This is their stated goal and even confirmed by those inside the regime as stated by ex Revolutionary Guard who was interviewed (incognito) on television recently.
2.) Iran funds terrorism worldwide for this purpose and nuclear weapons are needed as the most effective weapon to take destroy America. It is well known that Hamas and Hezbollah are working with the Mexican cartels (Congressman Tom Tancredo etc.). Even their support of Syria is to be able to put nuclear weapons into the hands of Syria. How soon you forget that Israel had to take out the Syrian nuclear program. Nuclear weapons in ships, launched by submarines or carried in suitcases is what America will have to live with vs. stopping the Iranian bomb by destroying their nuclear sites. How successful are we at stopping drug shipments and people from crossing our Mexican border (or Canadian for that matter).
3.) Containment is foolhardy. Russians love live vs. the love of death through martyrdom. Containment is playing Iranian Roulette with America’s freedom and security (Russian Roulette has one bullet, Islamic all chambers have bullets)
4.) This would not be a war and saying it would be is scare mongering. Israel air strikes took out Iraqi and Syrian nuclear sites and nobody said it was a war. This would not be boots on the ground or prolonged strikes even like Libya. People like Fareed misrepresent this to promote their agenda.
5.) Think of all the threats they will be able to make in regards to the Straits of Hormuz etc. Khrushchev backed away in Cuba, do you really believe that will work against Islamic fundamentalists? Do you want to be in the situation to find out?
6.) Not all Iranians are anti American but not all Germans were Nazis either. The West tried to appease Hitler before the war such as the Munich Pact that produced the “Peace for Our Time” agreement that England’s Prime Minister Chamberlain waved about. Wishful thinkers were responsible for WWII and tens of millions of deaths because they did not stop Hitler even though it was obvious what his plans were. Iran’s Islamic fundamentalist theology with its martyrdom to establish Islam and Sharia law worldwide is even more steadfast than Hitler’s goal of the 1,000 year Reich.
7.) Since America is not willing to help Iranian dissidents, keeping the existing regime from obtaining the ultimate power of nuclear weapons will at least provide more turmoil within Iran that could bring about regime change.
8.) It is insane that the world's largest military power would not use this strength which has been developed specifically to prevent a hostile nation from posing such an imminent threat to America. One successful attack with a nuclear weapon would be devastating to America and we have the means to be 100% effective to prevent it.
WRONG WRONG WRONG
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stopoilnow: you're pathetically misinformed. Your comment isn't even worth replying to, but anyways, I thought you should know.
By the way: Iran a threat to America? Sir, I'm pointing my finger at you while rolling on the floor, dropping tears, laughing.
Swallow some more Bush propaganda.
Funny you should talk about hitler though. I bet if you were German, you'd be one of his most loyal soldiers. Because that's how easy you are to manipulate.
Minutes, hours, maybe a couple of days of missile attacks by the highest technically capable armed forces in the world vs. the hundreds of billions of dollars extra in hardware and manpower over the years that will be spent by America to try to contain Iran. Plus never knowing on a day to day basis that all our defenses are 100% effective to the possibility of waking up one day to a nuclear event in America or against an American target. Technology is only advancing not in retreat. Compare the options and this is not a laughing matter. My agenda is protecting America.
Yeah Iran's gonna launch a nuclear missile at the US. Or even better, terrorists will smuggle a bigàss nuclear bomb into New York city (in pieces of course), assemble it and then detonate it! And no one will ever know it was Iran! Muhahaha the perfect plan! *scene goes to Khamenei sitting in a high chair petting his white cat Mr. Momo while drinking a martini*
Grow up. Pakistan didn't blow up the US, so what makes you think Iran will? Compared to Pakistan, Iran is a saint.
There is a complete and utter loss of trust as stated in the following exerp:
But like a lot of politicians, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also tends to contradict himself (sometimes within the same speech), often leaving the audience to decide for themselves where he stands on an issue.
Addressing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation meeting at the UN headquarters in New York City this week, President Ahmadinejad said nuclear weapons are “a fire against humanity.” But is Iran building the capability to make one of those fires? That's what the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) says it can't rule out without full cooperation from Iran.
Iran has a history of making "confusing, contradictory, and inaccurate statements,” US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton herself told reporters Monday.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2010/0505/Iran-s-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-in-his-own-contradictory-words
Iran is a threat to the entire world, not only to America. The reason is pretty simple: allowing Iran to acquire nuclear weapons will sooner rather than later result in a nuclear war in the Middle East. As a result, the largest oil fields on the planet will be turned into a radioactive wasteland sending the world economy into a crisis of unpredictable proportions and ending our civilization as we know it.
the only good things about iran is an iranians women pu ssies and the motaa FK, the rest of towel heads men and shiia thugs are pure evil
Please google 'meir dagan stahl'
Please google 'iran cornerstone of possible ww3'
Serious stuff?
Google 'whitman ryan crocker j orlin grabbe'
Click on
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Then search fior 'swiss ra' to understand what happened.
in the episode on March 18th, in " my take" you mentioned India and Pakistan did not fight a war since acquiring nuclear weapons, I hate to correct you but there was the Kargil war
Hi Fareed.
Thank you for writing this article. I understand your point of view and you make some really good points. However, do you think the ideology of Iran's leaders is an ingredient in the equation that makes this situation different from, for example, the Cold War with the Soviet Union? I'm curious to know what your reasoning is.
Thank you for taking the time.
Glenn
Deterrence only works against people who are not suicidal. Iran's regime backs suicidal people who are capable of using nuclear weapons to achieve their ends and treat all those who died from their side as heroes, even if they weren't in on the attacks. The thing is that some of those innocents might be people who also would die gladly for such a cause.
Iran is not the USSR. This support of suicide bombers makes them highly capable of anything.
How can deterrence work against someone capable of supporting suicide nuclear attacks? Please explain it some more because the thought seems impossible to reconcile.
I seem to recall a time when the American president (Reagan) called the mujahedin "freedom fighters", knowing all too well that they used suicide bombers and other coward and brutal means to slaughter communists in Afghanistan. Those same "freedom fighters" are now called Taliban.
How come your terrorist nation can have nuclear weapons, but Iran can't? Oh I see, it depends on whose side your on that actually determines whether you're good or evil, right?
cause we is bigger and stronger than you. also richer and better looking. thats why. live with it or die with it, it appears to be up to you.
Shahin... Iran CAN try to develop nuclear weapons and deal with the consequences of its efforts. Is it clear enough?
The Taliban were born later in the mid 90s, five or more years after the last Soviet left Afghanistan.
mr zakaria, you cant expect deterrence to work if one of the sides at the table desires nothing more than the glory of martyrdom.
what worked between the usa and the ussr, did so because both sides were afraid of Death. neither was involved in a religious crusade or jihad, like a significant number of muslims seem to prefer to call it.
No Iranian has ever committed the crime of suicide bombing. So your theory about Iranians being suicidal jihadists is completely flawed.
The IR leaders are survivors, not suicidal maniacs. If they were, Iran would have looked a lot more different today, after 40 years of IR rule. Taliban and Al Qaeda use suicide bombers because they actually believe in their "islamic" quest, but the IR leaders don't. They would say or do anything in order to remain in power. If you'd offer them more power and wealth in return for conversion, they would do it in an instant.
Don't be so naive.
boy, i dont envy your having to defend these crackpots. if being their spokesman isnt your job, why even try to do it? You not only sound "naive" you sound stupid. if it is your job, ever consider another line of work?
Send Zakaria to Iran and see if they will listen to his moronic blabber.
They will accept his offer to keep talking and talking. He will come back and describe how receptive the Iranians are, but they will continue their nuclear development while they talk. The Iranian objective is to develop a nuclear weapon, and there is nothing we can SAY to deter them.
I have one question for Fareed that I am very confident he cannot answer:
Precisely how would we deter a nuclear armed Iran from shutting down the Strait of Hormuz (and with it roughly a fifth of the world's sea traded oil), and once it did, what exactly would be our plan to re-open it?
If you cannot answer that question, you better be prepared to support a preemptive action that renders it moot.
They do not need nuclear weapons in order to attack the straight. And they most definitely will attack it if they are attacked.
US and Europe press sanctions on US for the actions of the Iranians...The American public now paying 4.30 a gallon for gas..sweet
Allow Iran to acquire nukes and you'll pay $50 for a gallon of gas... If you'll be able to find it, of course.
Allow a bunch of wild-eyed wackamoles like them to aquire nuclear weapons and gas prices will be very low on our list if problems.....The insanely hateful stements that their gov't has made in the past shows any "thinking" person that there is no possible legitimate rational for allowing it!
Fareed is really campaigning dilligently to protect the Iranians nuclear program from attack.
I hope the Supreme Leader appreciates all of his efforts.
Thanks again Fred – for sharing your astonishing ignorance. Keep up the good work for Iran.
hehehehe...
It is not that Iran would nuke Israel or DC as soon as they get a bomb, the issue is that the US prefers the current situation where we can deter Iran but they cannot deter us. We like being able to operate in Iran's backyard, or threaten them with airstrikes or 'regime change' if they misbehave, and not have them respond by threatening completely disproportionate devastation to our interests.
very true, and thats the way we like it. ever read "The Prince". thats the way it is
Deterence against Iran will work only once Iran changes their mindset into believing that love for Iranian life is greater then their hate for Israel. Sadly Iran will gladly die if it mean taking Israel with it, because all the remaining Arabs would be without an Israel...which is what EVERY Arabs dreams of for their people. They do not want to live in peace...they want to live without an Israel.
Iran is not an Arab country. They are Persian and speak Farsi. They are Shiites not Sunni's like most of the Islamic world. Othere than the Embassy attack, they have never comitted any terrorist acts against the U.S. They are not affiliated with Al-Qaeda either (AQ are Sunni and would love for us to attack Iran). They are not fanatical, they do exactly what the left and right in the U.S. do. Spew Propaganda to ignite their base. Just a little history for you as well. The Christians, and Jews in Iran actually supported Khomeni and the overthrow of the Shah, their is even a decent sized Jewish community in Iran. The average Iranian only remembers that we supported the Shah and his thugs, the elites use that limited knowledge to incite the masses (just like Faux news does).
They have only been known as the chief sponsor of terrorism in the middle east for almost half a century now.
I guess that's just a nasty rumor?
republican guard by chance?
thanks for reassuring all of us that Iran doesn't arm, train and fund Hezbollah and hamas. Thanks for straightening us out that their proxies in lebanon didn't blow up 200 + marines and also that the US is wrong for thinking that Iran funneled "fighters" into iraq and Afghanistan to kill americans and other coalition soldiers. its amazing how wrong everybody is about peaceful Iran. Keep up those good educational posts so we can all learn why Iran should have nuclear weapons
when you brainwash your children, in school and at home with books and stories demonizing a group of people and offering rewards for dying so long as you also kill members of the demonized group, this is what happens: they'd rather die and sacrifice the future of their children to kill, to kill and to kill. what a wonderful culture
One question for Fareed – exactly WHO is IRAN building nuclear weapons to deter from invading them??? Israel has no desire or ability, Iraq is crippled after 20 years of war with the US, Saudi Arabia – not, so that pretty much leave just the US and the ONLY REASON there is a threat of attack by the US is IRAN's intention to build nuclear weapons, so who is the one trapped in their own in a paradox????
well put
good points
The Iraq war should not have happened.
Afghanistan should have been a special forces/cia operation with interpol guiding, to bring the criminals of 911 to justice....Not a fruitless war.
We are finally faced with a situation which calls for military action, to protect the interests of world peace and out come all the whiney –
"Why should we be allowed to have nukes and think we have the right to keep Iran from having them"...liberals.
Rubbish!
A nuclear Iran could very well be the spark that sets off a chain of events which bring about WW3.
Why dont you ask your God Allah and his profiteer Muhammed to reverse time and make it all go away?
Give 'em eight hours to evacuate personnel, then obliterate the entrances to the facilities.
It simply astounds me that he uses Pakistan and North Korea as positive examples...they are both perfect examples of why we cannot allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons capability. Ask the 46 South Korean sailors killed by a North Korean submarine attack how "deterred" North Korea is.
How would such attacks woul have been prevented short of regime change?
Deterrance only works when the other party isn't willing to escalate. Iran has shown that it doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks or does to them, they want what they want and they want it now.
How have they shown that thy do not care what the rest of the world does to them.
Also, do you have any explanation why never carry out the sentences they inflict on Americans they have charged as
spies?
Also, have you noticed that when the world protests the medieval sentences they sometimes inflict, they find some formula to change the sentence? How do you explain that?
Deterrence only works when there is a credible deterrent, and the party being deterred does not wish to risk an attack. These do not apply in Iran vs. U.S. Iran does not believe that the U.S. will use its military forces; credit Obama's naive foreign policies. Iran also does not care if it is attacked. This is a society that considers its dead to be martyrs, openly encourages individual suicide attacks, and believes that a U.S. attack would unite the Arab world against the U.S. On the other hand, Iran has successfully deterred the U.S. from attacking. Iran knows that American society does not approve of making the first strike, and that no American government can survive another Middle East war in which American soldiers die. Obama has put the U.S. in a position of weakness, which has been his intent all along. Obama wants to destroy the power of the U.S. because he associates that power with the colonialism that his socialist father fought in Africa.
So you view is that we have a Pesident who is secretly working for the Iranians?
They (Iran) already have the recipe for the atomic bomb. They might already have it.
Its time to put an end to these theocratic Islamic morons. They need a good smack with few 30,000 pound bombs and some pin point surgical strikes to take these clowns out. Can't wait to see "Shock and Awe" the sequel. Iraq is shaping up nice not to mention the fall of Libya. Hopefully those fools in Syria will fall as well.
A rather casual way to talk about killing a large number of people.
Yea but considering who would be the target of those surgical strikes we would all be better off.
@ Fareed, like the 3rd world game of soccer, no one gives a $#1T! Fareed is same moron who made big deal out of the South Korean education system comparing it to the US. He failed to inform us that its the one where kids off themselves before taking an exam and if they live long enough to finish high-school, the rest of those kids sit around and binge drink.
Military deterrence does not work when one of the parties thinks that the destruction of ones enemies outweighs the consequences that might happen. In fact the consequences for one party is considered a reward from their god. 13 virgins and and the good lfe is hard to pass up.
hehehe...
Containment is the only realistic way forward. An air campaign (lasting several weeks) will only delay Iran's nuclear weapons program (and lets admit that it is a weapons program.) In a few years a fiercly antagonized and hyper sensitive Iran will still become a nuclear weapons capable nation. Iran's leaders will always worry about the "use it or lose it" paradigm. Israel knowing this will be on a hair trigger. That is a nightmare destined to become a blinding tragedy of unimaginable proportions and consequence.
Happily, the US has the tools and knowhow to contain and deter Iran. As for proliferation-that can be managed by putting our allies under our nuclear umbrella. (Just as we did during the Cold War). Iran shows signs of change from within. It may take time. But I'm confident that Israel, the US and regional allies can outlast the current regime in Tehran. Are there risks for Israel in a containment and deterrence strategy? Yes. Serious risks. But the risks can be managed. We know how to do this. We've done it before.
We have to accept the truth-like it or not Iran WILL become a nuclear weapons power. No amount of bombing will prevent that. And the occupation of a nation with 70 million citizens is out of the question. Therefore, there is only one realistic path.
Israel will survive. The regime in Tehran will dissappear from within.
This is far too much prophecy from what we know now. It is quite possible that the regime in Tehran would not survive a sufficiently severe attack. It depends on how serious we are.
It is also possible that a following regime would the nuclear program. We just don't know enough to make such large scale predictions.
It surprises me that so many people commenting make such definite predictions about the future. No one has ever been able to predict all the significant outcomes of any major war. Yet we have so many non-experts in this debate blithely predicting the ramifications of a large scale conflict.
BTW-the Persians are very proud of their "5,000 year history". They will not follow the mullahs into oblivion. Persia not our-or Israel's-natural enemy. This is an astroturf confrontation the mullahs use to keep their own people under their thumb. The best way to win-is not to play their game. The weapons are a tool. The real problem is the hand that wields them. We can work on that with persistant pressure and a unfied strategy.
How ironic would it be if Iran's population wound up overthrowing the mullahs because they don't trust them with nukes?
mr. christ, Iran is oldiest known civilisation nation on earth today, more than 2500 years viable state, why iranian people should not trust their own state. who then they should trust ? iran is a great nation. how can american people trust nukes with Bush or Obama?. they are both mass murders. may be you don,t understand what are saying. paranoi jewish setlers regime have nukes, what do you think about it?
Abdul, it is irrelevant what Iran was, only what it is. It is a den of murderers, wife abusers, killers of children, ...
iran does not have nukesat the moment. but both Iran and egypt should have nukes in order to create peace in the region. only murderous illegal jewish setlers regime have nukes in the middle east. and this is why there can be no peace in the region. 4 milion jewish setlers with nukes are intimidating constantly more than 500 m. muslims in the region. Deterrence is urgently necessary in the region if you understand what you are talking about mr fareed. iam sorry this is what you supossed to say but you can not say this on cnn. you are muslim and your father was respected muslim scholar and polition i don,t think you are talking about your heart. it means that you are lier. muslims in the middle east have to defend themselvies otherwise can be no peace in the region. its also both morally and practicaly impossible to create viable peace so long the situation in the middle east remain as it is today.
Would you, dear writer, happen to be of the same persuasion as the fellow now in today's news who put a gun to the head of an 8 year old french girl at her school, and pulled the trigger? What a brave bunch you are.
Trying to compare "deterrance" or the concept of "mutually assurred destruction" as between the one-time reality of two major confrontational super powers on one hand, with a growing pandora's box of erratic and sometimes headless regiems is a fool's game. Zakaria is clearly infatuated with the idea of appeasing middle east fanatic states of a certain politico/theological bent... and such agendas are not the stuff of which unbiased reporting or commentary can be made.
Every country in the world must disclose nuclear weapons EXCEPT for Israel? every US congressman needs to get their head out of Isreal's &ss
It appears that the presumption for Zakaria's article is a nuclear-armed Iran, which if it were to take place that likley would be some years off. In any event, even the most remote prospect of Iran's developing nuclear weapons is serving as a vehicle for anti-Iran, pro-Israeli propaganda in the U.S., which igonres Israeli dispossession of land and homes owned by Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the West Bank and creates a convenient bogeyman to deter the exposure and critical analysis of deteriorating conditions and increasing poverty within the U.S. itself.
If Iran were to develop nuclear weapons it would not be so idiotic as to use them in first strike situations. If it did, Israel with its nuclear stockpile and even without using them and the U.S. would destroy Iran's defensive capabilities and basically bring an end to the Iranian clerics' rule directly or indirectly. But the oil fields would be spared for Western exploitation.
Would you, dear Gopherit, happen to be of the same persuasion as the fellow now in today's news who put a gun to the head of an 8 year old french girl at her school, and pulled the trigger? What a brave bunch you are.
Any and all of you guys, Gopherit, Acha Hine, Abdul, et al. ride a motorcycle?
One thing is for sure, a nuclear capable Iranian regime could be as repressive as it wants and never have to worry about intervention from anyone. That's just one of the benefits beyond national prestige and strategic deterrence with Israel.
Let's just send Abdullah The Butcher over there to deal with them!!
Why not let's all agree on a number of demonstrable facts.
1. The Iranians are not Arabs
2. Not all or most Muslims are suicide bombers. Most identified suicide bombers have been both Arab and/or Sunni
3. This issue of the Iranian nuclear program is not one of Muslims against Christians. None of Iran's neighbors wants it to have nuclear weapons.
4. The intelligence and military in Israel and the US have said that they find the Iranian government to be a rational actor
5. The Iranians have made statements indicating that they do not believe that the State of Israel should exist. They are a bit more ambiguous on whether, given the chance, they would end its existence
6. The Iranians have supported organizations which have been identified as terrorists organizations by the US government
All these are relevant facts. Unfortunately they do not all point in the same direction. But we can at least try to debate from a position of fact and less on name calling, prejudice or bigotry.
And Neville Chamberlain was saying "calm down" to everyone concerned with Germany prior to WWII. If you don't stop a growing menace when it is small, you have to deal with it when it gets disasterously ugly.
Yes, we sure got that "growing menace" in Iraq, didn't we?
These neo-cons would have us playing a game of Whack-a-mole.
... to Moonie... Indeed, yes. The exact same sentiment of downplay was what led to the holocaust and to the loss of millions of good men and women on the completely unnecessary battlefields of Europe. Belittling a nuclear threat is a fool's game, and you are very much a player.
These articles are doublespeak. Anyone with a brain can tell Zakaria really thinks Iran should have the bomb.
Isn't interesting that a comment beginning with "Anyone who has a brain ..... " is so often followed by a comment suggesting that the speaker has issues in that area?
Who is the aggressor?
Who is threatening to bomb whom?
Which country is taking, occupying and building settlements upon the lands of another?
Which country has hundreds of nukes and threatens to kill others for doing the same?
Nice work, Fareed!
Nuclear deterrence is alive and well, and is currently one of the most popular alternatives among the voting members of the National Security Council (NSC).
There will be no preemptive strike against Iran by Israel or the USA. Any preemptive military action would not achieve long-term objectives, and may trigger a larger and much-more devastating regional conflict.
The public-sabre-rattling rhetoric by the USA and Israel will continue, indefinitely. Secret diplomacy and severe sanctions will also continue.
Iran may halt their pursuit of a viable nuclear-delivery system in exchange for concessions. However, a nuclear-armed Iran is highly likely and probably unstoppable.
The strategy of nuclear deterrence is a viable alternative for dealing with a very difficult foreign-policy dilemma. Many NSC members have conceded that Iran will ultimately join the nuclear club, but with membership, there are rules and responsibilities. If Iran crosses a pre-determined line, or if they provide nuclear materials or weapons to extremists, they will face the consequences.
The Soviet Union leaders were rational. There was mutually assured destruction, and rational people would not risk an atomic war. The Iranians are irrational because of their fundamentalist radical theocracy. In fact their religious beliefs require and invite mutual destruction in order to bring about the coming of their Messiah (the 7th Mahdi). Therefore your comparison with the Soviet Union is ridiculous. Just because the NY Times quotes all kinds of apologists that Iranians are "rational" does not make it so. You are wrong and irrational.
What ever side you are on or whatever you advocate, the world is about to change. Iran is a geo-political centre point and what happens in Iran will be a turning point in world history. Iran is the real deal folks and there is no way around it. It is only about how much more convoluted or complex can the contingency possibly get. Zakaria's containment strategy is scary but does make sense on some ways as most other options are rather unrealistic and could be even considered ludicrous given the reality on the ground. Just keep that in mind. There are some important facts I'd like people to be aware of about the situation with Iran if they aren't so already.
1. The mullahs in Iran, to the dismay of most Iranians in Iran and abroad, are certified insane but as much as they are lunatics, they are patient, cunning, ruthless, selfish and greedy to the degree that there is infighting with regard to how much and who gets to steal the country's wealth to fill bank accounts in switzerland. The only question is do they have a death wish and that is certainly a calculation to be made, but to automatically assume that they are all uniformly hellbent on mass suicide when they are mostly made of up crooks just like your local thug or drug dealer is rather a foolish assumption. They want power, they want money, they want control, and they want to stay alive (mostly). Islam is just a front.
2. Ahmadinejad is in fact more like an Iranian version of Rush Limbaugh. Just says ludicrous, inflammatory things for attention and entertainment but is mostly useless. Supreme psychopath Komenei runs the show and he is infact as hard core is at gets. His revolutionary Guard is no joke and they are tightly wound, highly intelligent and very capable, and their agents are somewhat along the lines your average CIA or Mossad agent. They are not stupid, nor are they sitting around and just praying to Allah that that they don't get attacked. They have serious tricks up their sleeve and are ready to rumble.
3. Unlike Afghanistan or Iraq, Iran has been anticipating, expecting and preparing for a confrontation with the US since the early 90's. They are and have been uber paranoid and that has driven them to think about that day for the last 20 years. If a war broke out, they are not going to just fall apart and disappear like Saddam's joke of a government or retreat into the mountains like the Taliban. They have elaborate plans and well-developed strategies on how they would confront and fight a technologically asymmetric war with the US. Some are actually hoping for an attack so that their hard work and plans don't go to waste and that would actually unite the county and in fact allow those more lunatic hardliners to fully take over.
4. Iran has an effective strategy for shutting down the straight of hormuz for at least some time enough to cause major oil disruptions. This includes a strategy to deploy hundreds of 2 man boats with RPG's targeting individual carriers with the goal of attaining just one hit. Sort of like how sperm fertilize an egg. It is difficult to target so many little ships coming at you at random and to blow every single one out of the water without fail 20/20. This is why every once in a while you hear on the news how an iranian speedboat came charging at a US ship and then suddenly changed direction and disengaged. They are testing the US response times. Its not pretty but even during naval war games after 2003 the US military was aware of how effective this may be. Iran has been stockpiling these boats and designing hovercraft versions of their own since for a while now. Us would prevail for sure but the straight would be a messy sight indeed.
5. Most of the oil in the gulf including the oil in the arab states including Saudi is in fact locally populated by shiites (go figure). This is an unfortunate coincidence and if war was to break out, there are cells that have been set up in those regions and once activated, would unleash hell and to the oil fields, and with no way to control or turn those cells off since they are now acting independently. Sort of like Iraq insurgency or sectarian violence after Iraq invasion. No one knows who's doing what, where and when and it would take years to turn down the heat (literally).
6. Most of the oil in Saudi Arabia is refined in just few factories and they are within target range of Iranian missiles. They don't need long range missile technology to hit the US. They just need to hit back at the gonads which for the US is the oil in and around the persian gulf. There would be no love lost between Iran and Saudi as they sort of already despise each other. If this were to happen or any other disruption in oil as described above, that would mean oil and the price of everything we hold dear including our food going up to a level that is difficult to even fathom.
7. Hezbollah and even Hamas would go ballistic if Iran was attacked.
8. Even in the remote possibility that iran doesn't go for nuke weapons an attack would be a self fulfilling prophecy and Iran would certainly start enriching weapons grade uranium and the whole thing would go more underground and even more risk that it would fall into the wrong hands. At least deterrence it is out in the open, (unless you subscribe to the 90 million people having a collective suicidal deathwish philosophy)
9. Other than bombing raids that would be limited in effectiveness and would actually help make Iran look like victim, any other military option would have to try to prevent most of the above as its second major objectives in addition to stopping the primary goal of stopping the nuke program. That would require a full on full scale assault on every level possible. Maybe the US is up for that but that level of pre-emptive attack is difficult to justify even for the US and even if it did justify, or could prevent the major economic fallout from oil prices and attacks in the region, the cost of such a war would be in the trillions and potentially never ending and that would even dwarf the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan. Some people in the US would love that including the military-industrial complex but the average citizen and the US economy for the most part would become completely exhausted.
10. The sanctions are causing Iran to have to come up with more ingenious means of trade including barter and selling or diverting oil through non-conventional means and increase to the east like China and India. Once these methods of transaction of solidified, after a war the price of oil will go throughout the roof and Iran may actually benefit tremendously if it is able to sell or trade its oil while most of the world suffers. High oil prices are good for Iran, bad for US. Thus a war is good for Iran's oil profits assuming they can still function as a country.
12. The US/Israel is doing everything in its power to stop Iran while avoiding war including desperate assassinations of scientists and even stuxnet which was a catastrophe wrapped in a disaster. This may be because they realize a war may not even be possible and if they could- like they did in Iraq, why wouldn't they do it already. Of course… they have to talk but walking the walk may be in actually more like... walking off a bridge.
I think that you are wrong about the likelihood of an attack. I believe that both the US and Israel have locked themselves in irretrievable positions on this. They will not accept a nuclear armed Iran. Hopefully, they will continue and they will find a face saving position which allows Iran to have an IAEA supervised nuclear program. But my guess is that there will be attack early in 2013 – right after the US election.
قصف على أحد الأحياء في سوريا (الجزيرة)
كشفت تسريبات لما يبدو أنها وثائق سورية رسمية كيف يوقع الرئيس بشار الأسد شخصيا على الخطط التي يضعها مركز إدارة الأزمة في حكومته محددا أولوية الحملة الأمنية الصارمة لمنع زحف المتظاهرين ضد نظامه إلى دمشق.
وقالت صحيفة غارديان البريطانية إن مئات الصفحات من الوثائق السرية التي قدمها منشق لقناة الجزيرة تصف الاجتماعات اليومية لجميع قادة وكالتي الأمن والاستخبارات السورية الذين يراجعون الأحداث ويصدرون الأوامر التي يصدق عليها الرئيس بعد ذلك. كما أوردت وكالة أنباء إنترفاكس الروسية أن قوة عسكرية لمكافحة الإرهاب وصلت إلى ميناء طرطوس السوري على متن ناقلة بترول من أسطولها في البحر الأسود.
وأشارت الصحيفة إلى أن القوة بلغت وجهتها في وقت أيدت فيه الحكومة الروسية دعوة من الصليب الأحمر لهدنة ساعتين يوميا للسماح بوصول المعونة إلى المناطق الأسوأ ضررا بسبب العنف.
وفي خضم تقارير عن قتال في ضاحية المزة بدمشق أمس -الأعنف في العاصمة منذ بدء الانتفاضة قبل عام- قالت الجزيرة إن الوثائق هُربت خارج سوريا بواسطة عبد المجيد بركات رئيس قسم المعلومات بوحدة إدراة الأزمة للدولة والذي يختبئ حاليا في تركيا مع نشطاء المعارضة.
وتلقي أحدث الوثائق مزيدا من الضوء المباشر على إستراتيجية النظام ضد الانتفاضة، بما في ذلك حشد آلاف المليشيات المعروفين بالشبيحة وأعضاء حزب البعث السوري في عمليات صممت لقطع دمشق وحلب وإدلب والمدن الكبيرة الأخرى عن المناطق المحيطة.
وكما كشفت الوثائق أن الميادين الرئيسية في العاصمة تقع مسؤوليتها على أفرع مختلفة بجهاز الأمن السوري الكبير، بما في ذلك مديرية استخبارات القوات الجوية السيئة السمعة التي كثيرا ما اتهمها مؤيدو المعارضة السورية وجمعيات حقوق الإنسان الأجنبية بالوحشية والتعذيب.
سحق المتظاهرين
وفيما يتعلق بأيام الجمع، حيث تبلغ الاحتجاجات المناوئة للنظام ذروتها منذ بدء الانتفاضة، تنص الخطط على عزل العاصمة عبر 35 نقطة تفتيش للتحكم في الحركة. وتُغلق الطرق المؤدية لدمشق من المدن المجاورة على نحو متكرر وتُنشر قوة من ألف فرد أمن في وسط ميدان أمية وحده.
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الوثائق أوضحت أن الأسد شخصيا متورط في المصادقة على إجراءات سحق الاضطرابات. وتوقيعه كان ظاهرا على إحدى الوثائق التي تخول عقوبات بالسجن للمظاهرات غير القانونية
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قناة الجزيرة/غارديان
ومن جانبها قالت قناة الجزيرة إن الوثائق أوضحت أن الأسد شخصيا متورط في المصادقة على إجراءات سحق الاضطرابات. وتوقيعه كان ظاهرا على إحدى الوثائق التي تخول عقوبات بالسجن للمظاهرات غير القانونية.
وفي إحدى الوثائق المسربة السرية حذرت الحكومة وزير الخارجية بشأن دول تحاول إقناع دبلوماسيين سوريين بالانشقاق.
وقالت الجزيرة: "كل مساء في تمام الساعة السابعة بتوقيت دمشق هناك اجتماع لكل رؤساء الأمن والاستخبارات لمراجعة ما حدث عبر البلاد أثناء اليوم ويعدون خططهم وأوامرهم لليوم التالي. وهذه الخطط تذهب لمكتب الرئيس الصباح التالي ويقوم هو شخصيا بتوقيع كل الأوامر ويعطي الضوء الأخضر النهائي".
ووصفت الجزيرة بركات كجاسوس معارض داخل القيادة التي توجه حملة فرض النظام والذي أدرك الشهر الماضي أن حياته معرضة للخطر وفر من البلد ومعه 1400 وثيقة تعتقد القناة أنها حقيقية.
وفي مقابلة مع القناة الفضائية بقطر قال بركات إن "مهمتي كانت نقل المعلومات للمعارضة داخليا وخارجيا. وأي شخص يقرأ هذه التقارير سيُصدم وسيدرك أن سوريا تعيش أزمة حقيقية من التقتيل والإجرام وقمع المتظاهرين. لكن رؤساء الأمن يرسمون صورة وردية في تقاريرهم ويتجاهلون حقائق هامة كثيرة على الأرض فقط لرفع معنويات الرئيس".
ومن جانبها لم تعلق الحكومة السورية على الوثائق. وقال التلفزيون الرسمي السوري إن ثلاثة "إرهابيين" وعضوا في قوات الأمن قُتلوا في معركة دمشق.
ومن الجدير بالذكر أن ميناء طرطوس يمثل الآن القاعدة البحرية الوحيدة لروسيا خارج الاتحاد السوفياتي السابق. وقد زار أسطول بحري روسي المكان في يناير/كانون الثاني فيما اعتبر من قبل كثيرين عرضا لتأييد موسكو الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/293526/guide-perplexed-fareed-zakaria-clifford-d-may
FIRST WE MUST GET RED OF HIZBOALLAH AND BASHAR AL ASAD THE KILLER AND WAR CRIMINAL, THOSE TERRORISTS ARE THE EVIL HANDS OF IRAN THEN WE CAN ISOLATE IRAN AND SMASHED IT TO THE GROUND .......
dont forget the terrorists NORI AL HALEKI THE PRIM MINST OF IRAQ HE IS ALLOWING IRAN TO KILL IRAQIS AND GETTING WEAPONS TO SYRIA GET RED OF THIS EVIL MAN
Sat and watched a Gator one time, eat a lahreggeod.Loggerhead must have been at least 100 to 120 lbs.Cracked him like we would a corn nut and sounded kinda' the same as well.Actually, sounded like when you turn your engine off and slowly coast down a rocky road, and the popping sound which your tires occasionally make when you go over a larger than normal rock.Muffled and crunchy!People have no idea just how powerful them jaws really are.
IRAQI SHIIA ARE STEALING IRAQ READ THE PROVE, I AM IN BAGHDAD NOW
IRAQI SHIIA THUGS ARE SENDING MILLIONS TO SYRIA GOVERNMENT TO KILL THE KURDS AND THE SUNNI, ALSO TAKEN IRAN OIL AND SALE IT FOR THEM
في عراقنا المزيَّنِ بالفقر والعوز والثكالى وفقراء الطرق الذين يمسحون زجاج السيارات في برد بغداد القارس والدولة عنهم في غيبوبة، أقول في هذا المشهد المظلم يخرج الينا مجلس النواب ببدعة جديدة في الإسراف والبذخ، وهذه المرة من خلال شراء عشرين قطعة سلاح لكل نائب. أود تذكيركم سريعاً وقبل الدخول في الموضوع ان كل نائب يستلم ما يقارب 12.000.000 دينار مقطوعة عن 12 يوم عمل في كل شهر اي مليون دينار عن كل جلسة سواء عقدت ام لم تعقد كما يستلم 22.500.000 دينار لثلاثين شخصاً يحمونه علماً ان الغالب الاعم من النواب يقطنون المنطقة الدولية والتي لا يكادون يحتاجون فيها لحماية من أحد، ويعلم الجميع ان عضو المجلس يستلم كامل المبالغ المخصصة للحماية نيابة عن الحماية على اساس ان يوزعها لاحقاً.
وفوق هذا البذخ الصلِف للمال العام الذي يجب ان يكون محلُّهُ فقيرات العراق وعجزته ومعوقوه ومعدموه قرر مجلس النواب ان يشتري لكل نائب عشرة مسدسات (من نوع CZ99 سعر القطعة في بلد المنشأ 500$ كما يظهر فيهذا الرابط وعشرة بندقيات نوع M16 سعر القطعة في بلد المنشأ 586$ كما يظهر في هذا الرابط وبعملية رياضية بسيطة سيتضح ان كل نائب سيكلف الدولة 21.720$ دولار امريكي علماً اننا احتسبنا الكلفة حسب قيمة الاسلحة في بلد المنشأ وتغاضينا عن عمليات الفساد الحتمية التي ستضاعف المبلغ وتضخمه، ومعنى هذا ان مجلس النواب سيقتني اسلحة بقيمة 7.059.000$ دولار امريكي اي ما يعادل 8.611.980.000 مليار دينار عراقي اذا اخذنا بالاعتبار ان عدد اعضاء المجلس 325 نائباً حفظهم الله ورعاهم ذخراً لنا وللفقراء والمعدمين.
ولإنعاش الذاكرة وحسب اود التذكير ان المجلس موشِكٌ على الموافقة على شراء سيارة مصفحة لكل نائب فضلاً عما ذكرنا من قبل من اسلحة، وتود رئيسة لجنة شؤون الاعضاء والتطوير البرلماني الدكتورة حنان الفتلاوي زعيمة مقارعة الفساد ان تجري مناقشة الموضوع بكل شفافية ولكن خلف ابواب موصدة في جلسة سرية خشية الفضيحة طبعاً وليس لسرية الامر، ولو افترضنا جدلاً ان كلفة السيارة المصفحة الواحدة 50.000$ دولار امريكي فان المجلس سيقتني مجمل السيارات بمبلغ 16.250.000$ مليون دولار وهو ما يعادل 18.281.250.000مليار دينار عراقي.
أقول لمن اراسلهم من عيون السلطة الرابعة حان دوركم الان، واقول للبرلمانيين: اذا لم تستحوا فاصنعوا ما شئتم
BASHAR AL ASAD AND HIS WIFE, SENDING MILLIONS OD USA DOLLARS TO LEBANON IN A STASH IN A DIFFRENT ANAME ACCOUNT, ALSO SENDING WEAPONS FROM SYRIA TO HIZBOALLAH 10 FULL TRUCKS EVERY DAY CROSSING TO HIZBOALLAH TO PREPARE FOR A RUN AND TO BE USED FOR EMERGENCY , those love birds killers and thug are preparing to empty syria from cash and weapons and move them to lebanon in the hands of the terrorists hizboallah i saw that my self, we have people on the ground at the syria / lebanon boarder sending these informations , some of the trucks also contain chemical weapoins to hizboallah...please inform the media now before it is too late
attack iran now before it is too late
October 27, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Reply
DR ABO WAQASS- CALGARY -ALBERTA
HOW CAN WE ATTACK IRAN- part 1 of 10 parts.
I USE USA FORCES IN AFGHANISTAN INCREASE THE JETS FIGHTERS IN THAT SIDE.
2- KEEP SOME GOOD FORCE IN IRAQ AND KUWAIT TO DEAL WITH THE SHIIA THUGS WHO WILL SUPPORT IRAN FORM the Iraqi evil government side.
3- keep tanks and jets in Kuwait
4- improve the bases in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and uae
5- ask Qatar to not help or involve with Iran
6- increase USA sea base and naval strength in Bahrain
7-prepare the submarines in the red sea, Mideastern sea, and the Arabian sea
8- close down the straight of hermoze and increase inspections on Iranians boat and ships
9- keep forces in Turkmenistan north of Iran ,and the turkey borders.
10-keep economic bloc-aid
11- attack with multi nations France, Germany, Italy, holand, and UK ,use every thing you got to finish the mission
12-help with money and arms the resistant ( KURDS, ARABESTAN, LOURS, TURKS, BAHA'I, PERSIANS, BELOOSH, SUNNIS , CHRISTENS , ASSYRIANS GROUP AND MUJAHEDIN KHLAQ FIGHTERS ) use every means of propaganda TV, radios, news and secret short wave radios to teach the masses what to do and where to get weapon and money and how to attack the enemy and destroy the enemy war machine and infrastructures,
13- use virus to attack Iran computers and army computers, destroy their satellites, command and controls, nooks sites,
and attack QUM as the mullahs will hide at their shrines and use it to make fatwas .
14- freeze all Iran assets, stop them from immigrations or coming here as most are using USA and Canada to send money to Hezbollah and Iraqi thugs, stop Ahmad AL jalabi and arrest him as he is one of Iran spies
15-help Dr ayad alawi to take over Iraq as he won the election but Iran put AL maleki instead, Al maleki pretend he is with USA but he is a lire,
16 control the Iran Iraqi boarder and Syria Iraq border by using drones so no shiia can cross to Iran from Iraq and Syria
17- Iraqi kurds can help from north Iraq, the Sunni can help from west Iraq and the resistant can attack from inside Iran
18-Israel can take care of Hezbollah and leash hell if those terrorists Hezbollah attack Israel , that's why we must get red of Syrian regimes now to cut Iran arms before attacking Iran
I will write part 2 in detail on how we can do it .
GET RED OF THEM NOW, SHIIAZIM IS EVIL MUST END
1. al-Assad IS in serious trouble. Obama was one of the first world leaders to call explicitly for al-Assad's ouster. ALL THE WORLD CONDEMN AND SANCTION HIM and we must keep doing it until he fall and then bring him as a war criminal along with russian leaders we must attack russian interest every where, they have blood in there hands.
2. Force is only answer aganist syria now.along with Hizboallah, terrorists must be hunted down, Yes, the Pentagon is reportedly preparing "detailed" contingency options for U.S. military action in Syria. That's what militaries do, and it's only prudent for the United States to monitor chemical weapons sites and eavesdrop on the regime's communications. It's also a good idea for the president to have a full understanding of what his options are and the risks and costs involved.
3. The U.S. intelligence community is concerned about hizboalla ,iran and iraqi shiia terrorists presence in Syria of fighters from Iraq's shiia branch, who are thought to be behind a spate of bombing attacks in Damascus and Aleppo.
4. . If al-Assad is to fall, the pillars that prop up his regime must first be removed. Iran and Russia, both of which continue to send weapons and advice, if not more, must be convinced that a post-al-Assad Syria is something they can at least live with. Both countries have met with members of the Syrian opposition, indicating they want to explore their options. Perhaps
5. Ignoring China. and use the human right tickets aganist them, make it tough for china to buy and sale to any memebers , china love money and will leave asad if there are economic snaction aganist this evil communist regime.
6. Focusing exclusively on the Syrian National Council he;p them, arm them , finance them, get no fly zones in multiple areas so they can get weapons and supplies, they are already in civil war , so no worries we can safe civilians , al asad already kilkled 14,000 civilians, and more than 132 000 in prison, killing daily.
.7- attack syria now alonmg with hizboallah as they are hiding chimechal weapons and stash and make the region un stable, attack them now and save millions of civilians later, attack them now and that will make it easy to get red of iran later. we all must be united to get red of those evil fregiemes, dont be silent SILENCE IS A CRIME, HITLER MUST NOT COME BACK AGAIN and he is a life and well as long as IRAN AND SYRIA THUGS ARE COMMITTING CIVILIAN KILLING.
So much of hate ! The fanactic muslims hate everybody who is non muslim. The fanatic jews hate everybody who is not jewish. The fanatic christians hate everybody who is not a christian. You get it ....
So much of filth and absurdity in some of these postings. Get a life you people. Grow tolerant. Don't be racist and bigoted.
I am glad a huge part of the US welcomes ideas, talent and creativity. That's what makes this country great. That's what will keep the US ahead of all other countries which are getting driven by religious zealots (Iran, Israel ...).
God bless the USA.
Of course, it has a small percentage of idiots. Some who are commenting on this page.
الناشطون وصفوا الأسد بأنه حريص ويلغي ما يكتبه من صندوق الإرسال بشكل مستمر (وكالة الأنباء الأوروبية )
نشرت صحيفة ذي غارديان لائحة بأهم الشخصيات التي ورد ذكرها في ثلاثة آلاف رسالة إلكترونية حصلت عليها، والتي تقول الصحيفة إن جزءا كبيرا منها نسخ من البريد الإلكتروني للرئيس السوري بشار الأسد sam@alshahba.com. وتصف الصحيفة الشخصيات التي تبادلت الرسائل أو لها علاقة بهذا العنوان البريدي بأنها مجموعة صغيرة ولكنها متنفذة وهم كالتالي:
بشار الأسد: يقول الناشطون إن الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد يستخدم اسم "سام" (Sam) كاسم حركي في مراسلاته عبر الإنترنت. وقد لاحظ الناشطون -الذين راقبوا هذا العنوان لشهور عديدة- أن صاحبه شديد الحذر ويتمتع بحس أمني عال، ويقوم بمسح الرسائل الصادرة سريعا.
أسماء الأسد: زوجة الرئيس السوري، وتستخدم بريدا إلكترونيا تحت عنوان ak@alshahba.com للمراسلة مع العنوان المذكور والحرفان الأولان يرمزان إلى عالية كيالي معلوف. وغالبا ما خاطب sam@alshahba.comصاحبة الحرفين AوK بعبارة "عزيزتي أسماء".
ويعتقد الناشطون أن عالية كيالي الحقيقية ليس لديها حق الدخول إلى العنوان، ولكنهم لاحظوا أيضا أن صاحب هذا الحساب لا يتخذ إجراءات أمنية عالية مثل صاحب الحساب "سام". وتصف الصحيفة المراسلات بين العنوانين البريديين أعلاه، بأنها تنم عن شخصين يرتبطان بعلاقة زواج، ولكن علاقتهما ترزح تحت وطأة ضغط العمل الشديد، ولكن على أي حال فإن المراسلات بين الطرفين لا تنم عن اكتراث بالعنف الدموي الذي يجتاح سوريا.
شهرزاد الجعفري: ابنة السفير السوري لدى الأمم المتحدة، وهي في بداية العشرينيات من عمرها. ويعتقد أن الجعفري وبعد تخرجها من الجامعة في الولايات المتحدة، عملت متدربة في مؤسسة براون لويد للعلاقات العامة في نيويورك بالولايات المتحدة. وبعد عودة الجعفري إلى دمشق، سرعان ما أصبحت من المقربين من الأسد وأعلى مستشاريه الإعلاميين.
ويقول زملاؤها في مؤسسة براون إنها استمرت في التواصل معهم، واستخدمت علاقاتها مع المؤسسة لتحصل على ثقة الأسد كشخصية لها خبرة في مجال العلاقات العامة. إلا أن إحدى الرسائل التي تبادلتها الجعفري مع مسؤول رفيع المستوى في المؤسسة أظهرت دعمه للجعفري والأسد، ولكن المؤسسة بررت ذلك بأن كلمات المسؤول لم تكن سوى كلمات تشجيع لمتدربة سابقة في المؤسسة، وهي لا تعني دعما للأسد.
هديل العلي: مستشارة صحفية إلى جانب الجعفري، وتتمتع بحظوة لدى الأسد وتأخذ على عاتقها كتابة تقارير عن الصحف اليومية وطريقة تعاملها مع الشأن السوري، ووقع خطابات الأسد على المناصرين، بالإضافة الى تأمين إيصال طلبات مقابلة الأسد من صحفيين يعتبرون مقبولين لدى النظام.
لونة الشبل: مذيعة سابقة في قناة الجزيرة. تقدم دعما قويا للأسد وقد تكون من أشد المطالبين بانتهاج أسلوب متشدد إلى أكثر حد مع المعارضين السوريين. كما تقدم المشورة بشأن كيفية إبقاء الانتفاضة تحت السيطرة.
خالد أحمد: أحد اللاعبين الأساسيين في المراسلات، ويقوم بتقديم تقييمات منتظمة عن الوضع المتردي في حمص. وهو مكلف بمهام إشرافية بوصفه مسؤولا سابقا في المنطقة التي تضم حمص. ويعتقد أن لأحمد صلات بالحزب القومي الاشتراكي السوري الذي ظل ومليشياته لمدة أربعين عاما من أشد المناصرين للنظام السوري. ويردد خالد رواية النظام أن هناك إرهابيين إسلاميين مدعومين من الخارج يحركون الانتفاضة السورية.
حسين مرتضى: رئيس قناة العالم التلفزيونية الإيرانية، ويتمتع مرتضى بصلات قوية بإيران وحزب الله ويقدم النصائح والمشورة للأسد بشكل مستمر، ويدعي في مراسلاته مع "سام" بأن ما يقوله يمثل وجهة نظر إيران وحزب الله. ويعتبر مرتضى عنصرا رئيسيا في تسويق رواية النظام عن ما يجري في سوريا.
رسائل البريد الإلكتروني كشفت عن شغف أسماء الأسد بالتسوق(الفرنسية)
قالت صحيفة ذي غارديان البريطانية إن أسماء الأسد كانت تنفق عشرات آلاف الدولارات على التسوق عبر الإنترنت بينما كان الرئيس السوري بشار الأسد منهمكا بتنزيل الأغاني على آي باد وتبادلها معها ومع الأصدقاء.
وكشفت الصحيفة عن تفاصيل دقيقة تتعلق بالأسد وزوجته أسماء، وذلك بعد التمكن من اختراق بريدهما الإلكتروني الشخصي، على أيدي ناشطين معارضين، وفي حين كانت جل اهتمامات الأسد بتحميل المواد الترفيهية وإهدائها لزوجته وأصدقائه، كانت زوجته أسماء مشغولة بالتسوق عبر الإنترنت.
وأوضحت الصحيفة أنه بينما كان الصراع يحتدم على الأراضي السورية، كانت زوجة الرئيس الأسد تنفق مئات آلاف الدولارات عبر شبكة الإنترنت لشراء البضائع، وكان الأسد يتبادل روابط لمواد ترفيهية مع أصدقائه عبر جهاز آي باد، وأنه قام بتنزيل ملفات موسيقى عبر برنامج آي تونز.
وقالت ذي غارديان إنه بينما كانت المدن والبلدات السورية تتعرض للقصف بالمدفعية الثقيلة وراجمات الصواريخ كان الأسد يرسل لزوجته أسماء أغاني لمطربين غربيين.
مطرب أميركي
وأوضحت أن المدن والبلدات السورية تعرضت لقصف شديد بمدافع الهاون في الخامس من فبراير/شباط الماضي، مما أسفر عن مقتل وجرح المئات من السوريين، وأن مجلس الأمن كان يخطط لاتخاذ قرار ضد من وصفته بالدكتاتور.
وأضافت أن بريد الأسد الإلكتروني يكشف عن أنه في اليوم التالي قام بإهداء زوجته أسماء أغاني للمطرب الأميركي بليك شيلتون، وأنه قام بإنزالها من "آي تونز"، وأن بريد الأسد لم يعكس الحالة الدموية والاضطرابات التي تشهدها البلاد.
وقالت إنه لا يبدو أن حياة الأسد وعائلته والدائرة الضيقة المحيطة به كانت تبدو وكأنها تقود البلاد الثائرة من حولهم، موضحة أن مطلع إحدى الأغاني كان يقول "لقد كنت أمشي مكسور القلب، لقد زججت بنفسي في الفوضى، فالشخص الذي كنت أمثله في الفترة الأخيرة، ليس هو الشخص الذي أردت أن أكون".
وأضافت الصحيفة أن الناشطين اطلعوا على عشرات الرسائل الإلكترونية الخاصة بالبريد الشخصي للأسد وزوجته أسماء، والتي تظهر كيف أن زوجة الرئيس كانت تنفق عشرات آلاف الدولارات في التسوق عبر الإنترنت.
وقالت إن أسماء الأسد كانت توقع على مشتريات ثمينة من الأثاث المصنوع يدويا والمجوهرات والأحذية الغربية بالرمز "AAA" وأنها كانت تشتري لها ولبعض صديقاتها، وأنها كانت تعيش حياة بذخ وترف.
وأضافت أن بعض التجار الأوروبيين لا يعرفون أن المرأة التي تتسوق من محالهم عبر الإنترت هي السيدة الأولى لسوريا، ولكن بعضهم قال إنه يعرفها أو أنه قابلها مرة أو أكثر، وأنها كانت لطيفة جدا في التعامل مع التجار.
وأشارت الصحيفة إلى تفاصيل العديد من الرسائل الإلكترونية التي أرسلها الأسد لزوجته ولآخرين، وإلى أن الرئيس السوري بدا متأثرا بالأحداث في ظل تفاقم الأزمة في البلاد.
فقد كشفت عن أن بعض الرسائل الإلكترونية التي أرسلها الأسد لزوجته كانت تقول "إذا كنا أقوياء معا، فنحن سنتغلب على هذا معا. أحبك".
كما أرسل الأسد رسالة أخرى في 23 يوليو/تموز 2011 يصف فيها روبرت موردوخ بكونه يهودي وإسرائيلي وأنه شيطان.
يشار أن لأذربيجان -الجمهورية السوفيتية السابقة الواقعة على الحدود مع إيران- علاقات ودية مع الولايات المتحدة وإسرائيل وقد تزايد التوتر بينها وبين إيران في الأشهر الأخيرة.
وفي الشهر الماضي اتهمت طهران باكو بمساعدة المخابرات الإسرائيلية في عملية اغتيال العالم النووي الإيراني مصطفى أحمدي روشان الذي قتل في انفجار قنبلة ثبتت في سيارته.
كما تدهورت العلاقات بين البلدين في يناير/كانون الثاني بعد أن اعتقلت أذربيجان رجلين للاشتباه في قيامهما بالتخطيط لمهاجمة أجانب، بمن في ذلك السفير الإسرائيلي في باكو وأحد الحاخامات، وقالت السلطات الأذرية إن المشتبه بهما كانا يتلقيان المساعدة من رجل إيراني على صلة بأجهزة المخابرات الإيرانية.
وتقول السلطات الأذرية أيضا إنها أحبطت خطة لعملاء إيرانيين وحزب الله اللبناني لتفجير سيارة ملغومة قرب السفارة الإسرائيلية بأذربيجان قبل أربع سنوات، ومؤامرة كانت تستهدف السفارتين الأميركية والبريطانية في العام 2007.
كما تنظر طهران حسب مراقبين بارتياب متزايد لجارتها بسبب علاقاتها التجارية المتنامية مع إسرائيل، التي كان آخرها توقيعهما اتفاقا بمليارات الدولارات الشهر الماضي لتزويد باكو بمعدات دفاع صاروخي، في حين تستورد منها تل أبيب أكثر من ربع احتياجاتها النفطية.
huber hadley – Looks like a albufous time and Sally, you looked amazing as usual! I'm so sad that I was sicky-sick and had to miss it. Please have another party? Or let's just make a plan to hang out and take silly pictures so we can pretend it's a party. Love you!
democratic rules my a ss
Shia thugs in syria , iraq and iran dont know the meaning od deocracy, give me a bbreak those evil cult , killed more than 14,000 cevilians....they arrive to power by force from his father al asad got red of the realy deocratic majority and put a minority 8% shiia thugs control with baathies and communist idiology they export terrorizim to lebanon , hamas and help hizboallah with arms..iran pay the bill, russia provid the weapons and syria do the killing and orgenizing crimes and terror.
syrian thugs will not give up the killing of cevilians, syria are sending 50 trucks a day to south leabnon hizboallah full with arms, weapons, chemical weapons, rockets and cash daily for the last month while USA, UK, FRANCE, NATO AND UN SLEEPING ...syria preparing to arm hizboallah and transfer the war to lebanon those evil my face their match and must be destroyed along with evil iran and the iraqi shiia thug stupid govrnment, unelected irawi shiia are sending weapons and cash to syria to hel the shiia killers to kill more....evil helping evil
HALAL MEAT..HA HA
The caller ID on Eman al-Obeidi's smart phone says private number. She guesses the call is from a fellow Libyan and promptly silences the ringer.
"I think the halal meat seller gave out my number," she says, picking up another piece of sizzling beef fajita. "That's why I don't buy halal meat anymore."
MMMMMMMMMMMM HALAL MEAT, U EAT SO MANY FK CO KS IN LIBYA
WHATS THAT GOT TO DO WITH STUPID MUSLIM WHO GAVE YOUR PHONE!!! HALAL IS BETWEEN U AND GOD