By Fareed Zakaria, CNN
While incumbent politicians around the world are struggling to hold on, one is thriving so much so that he's been called a king.
I'm talking about Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who last week struck a deal to bring one of his main rivals, the Kadima party, into his government. Netanyahu's coalition now commands more than three-quarters of the Knesset — the largest parliamentary majority in Israeli history.
Netanyahu faces no plausible rival as prime minister. So he has an unusual, and perhaps unique, opportunity to use his new power to secure Israel's future.
When pushed on the Palestinian issue, Netanyahu has often cited the constraints of his coalition to explain why he had not taken bolder steps toward resolution. In the past, he seemed to like being restrained: He refused to form a national unity government in 1996 with Shimon Peres, and he refused again in 2009 with Tzipi Livni.
But now he has enough broad support — a big enough base with many moderates — that he could move toward a peace settlement without endangering his hold on power.
What should Netanyahu do next? Read Fareed’s Washington Post column to see what he thinks.
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Am a regular admiring and appreciative viewer of GPS. However, the report on Israel and book recommendation only told part of the story, thus were not completely accurate . I have not seen anything in the Israeli online press calling Netanyahu 'king of Israel' – that seems an exaggeration. No one wants peace more than myself (dual Israel-US citizen) or majority Israelis. However, contrary to GPS view, with regular rocket attacks across neighboring borders targeting civilians and constant threat of much worse necessitating reinforced rooms being built in private homes across the country, main candidates in Egyptian elections talking about Israel as their enemy and negating their Israel peace treaty, Iran proxy and Israeli hating Hizbollah powerful in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza still dedicated to Israel's destruction and Iran repeatedly supporting that in talk and financing the latter two, Israel is still under existential threat. Fareed mentioned the weakness of the Palestinian Authority, which in light of all above is a very serious factor in whether any peace agreement would be able to hold, and even more that same authority's government school textbooks have maps showing a single Palestine with no Israel, they have named streets and squares after terrorists who have killed many Israeli citizens and their government supported television often vilifies Israel and glorifies martyrdom by attacking Israel. None of this was mentioned in this report, nor was the controversy raging regarding Peter Beinart's book, which represents an important point of view but is not the whole story either. Since Israel is in actual danger, my request is to be more careful about the realistic implications of your reporting on it. People without all the information could easily think Israel is secure and simply doesn't want peace, rather than understanding the complexities of the situation and Israeli fears. I only hope that in spite of the difficulties peace can and will come, but please do not jeopardize Israel in your reporting. Thank you.
much like the threat Palestine has endured, are what Israelis have sown in the Middle East. It's sad that Israelis have had to build safe rooms to protect themselves from those they've practically dispossessed, imprisoned, and dehumanized.
I'm a Lebanese born American citizen, and I want peace for the region; but it's truly sad how Israelis have deceived themselves into believing they are victims, and, as such, pseudo-victims, can never be trusted to understand what existential threats mean. Israelis are victims of their own fear and power-politics. It's true to the laws of nature that the Middle East body has rejected a foreign and toxic transplant.
Can you NAME ONE WAR Israel started without being attacked first? If you can not answer this question it means that Israel IS a victim.
The war that Israel started when they stole the land with Britain & America's help.
Loki... Can you NAME AN EXISTING STATE the land Israel "stole" belongs to? If you can not name this state it will mean that your statement above is A LIE.
Thinker ..When you go back to the history where Israelis were before invaded Palestine ,go back to the history 2 centuries back.Then you will answer how comes jewish were in Germany and other countries untill point the arab league suggested that every country have to open the door to jewish instead of leaving them without country.And one Arab country has done .It is Morocco and you find Moroccan jewish having privilege of a country and citizenship but the ones in Palestine are looking to build The Israelii dream Callled The Biggest Israel and a lot of videos show the conservatives broad castings them and spreading fears of Palestinians and Muslims .Israel and Palestine have to come to one decision despite any religious impacts.We live in new era why fighting upon a holy place while Most of people dont have that religious beliefs like before ..
You may be a Lebo, certainly sound like your still lost in the woods, but your damn shure NOT an American! Citizen papers you may have, but it is clear that you deserve neiter freedom, nor security and shuld be Transplanted right back to that "hell hole" you and your type has created. Your a craven coward who suports terror and spews hate no reasonable person can understand or condone, and while PEACE in not what you want, real peace is not to be found until you and your kind are burried under the same ground you seek to steal once more. The suffering and blood shed are yours and yours alone to cherish in your stupidity, so wrap yourself in that blanket of lies you so cherish; and may it be you and your families shroud for all time.
The Lebanese man who commented. I wonder who tried to overthrow Syria, Jordan and your country? The PLO. Israel has been attacked by Arabs simply for being Jewish, no other reason, and the Israelis treat arabs as good or better than any arab country. Admit it, Israel is a peace seeking country for which they have no partner for peace. The Arabs lose every war they fight with Israel, because Israel is right, by devine intervention, they are the chosen people, and the Arabs are barbarians who seek to destroy Israel simply for being a Jewish state. It's time for arabs to take responsibility for their own loses, and make peace. We in the west are sick of your excuses. Israel is our great ally; you are not!
Israel does not have to start any wars. Israel has over 200 nuclear weapons to destroy the whole of middle east. They have the US military might given to them for free. They are just killing Palestinians and their women and children in scores and keeping them in dire needs and disgraced as animals. They are treated as third class citizens to serve the upper class(Jews). That is worse then a war. Degrading, humiliating and slowly wiping the Palestinian population and a race. Jews know this but will never admit their cruelty and in humane treatment. That is worst then Apartheid.
The problem with Arabs is that they claim what's theirs is theirs. and what's others' is also theirs. If Jews are a transplant in their only ancestral home ever, what are you doing in the US?
Thinker23 is an Israeli state-paid propagandist, he spends the entire day on CNN forums to attack those that post the truth and rightfully criticize Israel. There are a bunch of them, they post the same lies, canned responses, badmouth, namecall, threaten.. usual Israeli methods to silence everyone that doesn't serve to their interests. They want to fool as many people as possible and continue the status-quo. United States can't help USPS but sends billions of US taxpayers' money every year to these warmongers in addition to military and other aid. Americans had nothing to do with middle east but got involved in wars because of Israel, to eliminate their enemies at no charge to them. In this process, Americans lost enormous amount of money, thousands of soldiers.. gained enemies.. lost credibility throughout the world.. Why? Because Israelis bully the US politicians in an ongoing basis through their lobbies and threaten them with their votes. They pump lies and propaganda into the US public in a daily basis. The US economy is going down thanks t Israel. With an ally like them, US needs no enemies, but it gains enemies as well thanks to Israel. Israel is not your friend, they don't care about the welfare of Americans. Your true enemy is not Arabs, it's Israelis. Wake up America!
@Existential threats
In East Asia, the Chinese and Koreans had also had their holocausts under the NIPPONS, but they put the past behind them, look forward and focus on their countries' development, instead of holding Tokyo to account. Today the three nations hardly speak about their troubled past. Of course Israel is in a different context – geopolitically.
So no one of Israel-bashers can name a single war Israel started? Pretty embarrassing, don't you agree?
Mike... Did you disagree with something I've said? If so WHAT WAS IT?
What the Israelis have sown in the Middle East is prosperity, something that the Arab States fear most, because the nature of the societies cannot provide their people. Culturally, it is a misogynist desert, void of tolerance, honesty, intellectual discourse and civility. The delusional thinking. Is that suicide bombers deserve anything more than universal condemnation will keep Palestinians in poverty and misery for their entire lives. That is what they count on to keep the hate alive. If they ever succeed in destroying Israel, they will have themselves to blame for their lives, and that will be a sad, overwhelming reality. Their movement is devoid of logic.
Thinker23 Israel started the 1967 war period. There is sufficient evidence that the Israel civilian politicians recognized the bluster of Egypt and the other countries as simply that: bluster. The Israeli military however was so intent on war and the securing of more land that they essentially controlled the politics in Israel and certainly had more real power than the civllians so they simply used that bluster as an excuse for invasion. There are many books, some written by Israelis' that bear this out.
I am not going to post a massive rejonder to the ignorant lies you just spewed, but I would like people to consider why on earth we allowed pro-terrorist (or worse) elements such as yourself a haven in the United States?
Lee... The war of 1967 was started when Egypt blocked the Tiran Strait. According to UN Resolution 3314 blockade of sea ports of another country is a bonafide act of aggression justifying the attacked country to use force against the attacker.
Peace is never been on Bibi's mind and never been in any Israeli's mind. You are one of the most benefiting Israeli's out of this conflict, a settler with a free and ilegally occupied land. Don't make it sound like you are a peave lover person and those people are bombing you.
You stole their land and out of the 100% of the land, they have 8.79% left and you still draging with the negotiations till nothing is left. The whole world know that.
Jews have had a continual presence in the holy land for almost 6000 years. It was the Arab Nations that fought a war in 1948 seeking to destroy the Jewish population. They lost. Now if you could answer me this question, what about all the Arab Jews that were kicked out of their countries, lost their land and all their material possessions? What has gone on in the Middle East has been a war. And with war there are always bad guys on every side.
Stealing is in the eye of the beholder. Most Jews believe Arabs stole the land of the Jews, and turned it into a desert; Thinking in these terms doesn't advance a solution, either way. If the Palestinians who weren't even a people before the 1960s now want to have a state of their own, let them have. But only if that doesn't make Israel more vulnerable to attacks on its population and threats to its edxistence.
I found your comment exemplary in its analysis of what Israel faces on a daily basis. excellent job!
you are naive in attributing any type of fairness in reporting or dialogue to Zakaria. He is a well established one sided anti semite in the US.
Vivian,
Thanks for your comments.
I'd like to discuss with you a direct to consumer public service campaing that is in development about the conflict. I hope you are interested in learning about the campaign. If so how do we connect?
Gregg Solomon
New York
Good morning,
I agree withyour comments and would like to connect to discuss a direct to consumer campaign that is under-development.
Thank you,
Gregg Solomon
New York
Yes, Bibi can and should negotiate peace – the question is with whom? Hizbollah, Hamas, Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, corrupt and the impotent PLO?
Vivian Deutsch 's comment is in place. While Fareed Zakaria is correct in pointing out Netanyahu's strength and ability to move more boldly toward a Peace agreement he somewhat underplays the difficulties from the other side. The other side is weak and divided, with the Hamas part totally and openly calling for the destruction of Israel. Abbas and the Palestinian Authority speak in one way to the world and in another way to their own people. They also have set impossible preconditions for talks. Logically and rationally the Palestinians should move toward Peace now, but this is given their internal divisions and the fact that Extremism always rules in their midst very unlikely to do so.
good analysis.
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How much can you trust Netanyahu, Fareed? Is he as sincere as he wants to portray himself? Some world leaders hadn't had a high opinion of him. Netanyahu had apparently complained in the past he couldn't take "bolder steps toward resolution", due to "the constraints of his coalition" in the peace settlement. It might just have been an excuse. Why was he so outspoken and brazen when it came to other issues? He has no guts to go against the grain and avoids to defy his supporters, as he depends on their votes to stay in power.
Well, now that he has a broader coalition he can try ...but he'll almost certainly fail, because this conflict IS NOT really about territory. Muslims haven't yet accepted self determination for the Jewish people, especially in land that was once ruled by Islam.
you assume that the old testament is 100% correct about the kingdoms of old, but you are probably wrong.
Also, Ashkanazi jews are 90% European, so to think these are the same people wandering through the desert in your fairy tale is quite a stretch.
fapmaster... Why don't you tell us what YOU assume? You may start from explaining the reasons it's NOT Israel but someone else who should decide who can and who can not live in Israel.
Fapmaster-Zionism has little to do with religion. It's mostly a secular movement. Most Jews, who are secular, believe that the land belongs to the Jewish people as a matter of history, not because Yahwe says so.
WHAT in the world Fareed?? reallly the guy Netanyahu is a war criminal, and u are saying that Israel has a lot to be threaten from the Palestinians ??? The Israel has the worlds most powerful weapons it does not give them the right to cage in millions of Palestinians in a jailed wall thousands of Palestinians go through check points to go to work and the r harmless they have NO weapons, why don't u ever say the death total from both sides and will see the real threat to our world. Come on, over 8,000 Palestinians are in jail for no reason, children and women, homes and trees r destructed every day by the IDF. Please, I watch CNN because I thought it is a two sided media, and now ur glorifying a war criminal, I can't trust any media source, u a network for to show what is going on with humans around the world, show more about the middle east educate the world what is the "indigenous" Arab/Islam people what r they like?? I really want to thank u for ur effort CNN, and understand even though there is freedom of speech u still decide to go with to report on things u think will get ratings instead that is sad, it's no wonder why Al-jazeera is illegal in the US to be on cable?. Peace, and thank u for all the reporters who work so hard to bring the truth. The 90's was ur era CNN u had great reporting. I sound very repeatable but, I really hope for world peace and I wish we all see our similarities and not our differences, I know we all agree : )
I think it was too bad you had to sarcastically refer to Bibi as a King, simply because he is overwhelming popular in the only democracy in the middle east. He is a terrific leader and respected by a huge majority. He is also willing to engage the the Palestinians on the peace process, although they still do not recognize Israel or her right to exist.
As usual , they choose to only air their unending grievances rather than use the opportunity to engage in constructive debate.
the fact that they still do not mention Israel in their textbooks , and continue to teach their children hatred of Israel will continue to hold them down for generations. Enough already! Accept a small Jewish state in the midst of scores of arab states and get on with the business of modernizing your countries and helping your people.
A little of this emmis (truth in Hebrew) would do a great service to your readers and the Palestinian people
You are educated and articulate and have a forum in TIME- use it to allow the truth to shine through. Israelis are far from perfect, but Israeli arabs have better lives than most arabs in their own countries.
Thanks for reading
shalom
C Solomon, Los Angeles
What in the world indeed? You live in a make believe world. Palestinians live better than most Arabs in non oil producing countries. They could have their state if they wanted, at least since 2001 when they rejected the Clinton proposal, accepted by Israel's PM Barak.
If the Palestinians WANTED to make peace with Israel they would ASK FOR PEACE NEGOTIATIONS long ago. On the other hand, as long as the Palestinians are willing the war to continue instead neither Netanyahu nor any other Israeli leader will be able to make peace with them for the simple reason the ONLY way to make peace UNILATERALLY is to beat the enemy hard enough until the enemy will ask (or rather BEG) for peace.
Just a minor note regarding the "King". Julius Caesar would almost make himself a god before the world and his fellow Romans. As a result, his fellow Romans stabbed him to death inflicting multiple (23 ?) wounds. You might want to play down the "king" nonsense before it starts raising too many eyebrows.
Et Tu RZ?
Ridentem de voce! Well done ! Anyhow, he's definitely not my king. But given the choice, I'd take a benevolent dictator with limited powers and a fixed term any day.
Israel's foreseeable future does not unfortunately depend on peace with the Palestinians, but on elimination of the theocratic regime in Iran. Moreover, as long as the Mullahs reign in Iran, any peace with Palestinians will be illusory.
Well, the theocratic regime in Iran is only 33 years old. Somehow I do not recall that peace with the Palestinians have been seen as a possibility prior to 1979.
The only question any Israeli PM should ask himself is, will 'Peace' with Palestinians enhance Israel's security or decrease it? all the rest is details. Most Israelis are willing to give away the territories for enhanced security. The problem is that as long as the Iranian threat grows with Iran most probably getting the Bomb soon, any peace agreement with Palestinians may likely work against Israel's security, by allowing Iran to get it's missiles into the Wst Bank.
I'm afraid that you do not understand the situation, A-Jad... To make it easier for you try to answer the following question: If tomorrow Israel will remove ALL settlements, ALL military bases, ALL checkposts and will withdraw to the cease fire lines of 1949... WILL PALESTINIANS SIGN A PEACE AGREEMENT WITH ISRAEL AND COMPLY TO ITS CONDITIONS (let us leave Iran aside for a moment...)?
The only question any responsible Israeli PM should ask himself is, will 'Peace' with Palestinians enhance Israel's security or decrease it? all the rest is details. Most Israelis are willing to give away the territories for enhanced security. The problem is that as long as the Iranian threat grows with Iran most probably getting the Bomb soon, any peace agreement with Palestinians may likely work against Israel's security, by allowing Iran to get its missiles into the West Bank.
I'm afraid that you do not understand the situation, A-Jad... To make it easier for you try to answer the following question: If tomorrow Israel will remove ALL settlements, ALL military bases, ALL checkposts and will withdraw to the cease fire lines of 1949... WILL PALESTINIANS SIGN A PEACE AGREEMENT WITH ISRAEL AND COMPLY WITH ITS CONDITIONS (let us leave Iran aside for a moment...)?
Thinker. .Maybe they would and maybe they wouldn't...probably not because the dispute isn't really about territory. But in any event, Israel should think of theocratic Iran first.
.Maybe they would and maybe they wouldn't...probably not because the dispute isn't really about territory. But in any event, Israel should think of theocratic Iran first.
Reaching a peace agreement with the Palestinians would be an extremely positive development for Israel because it would eliminate the most "convincing" anti-Israeli argument from its enemies. Today Arab and Iranian leaders tell their people that Israel is "oppressing" poor stateless Palestinians and "steals" their land. What would they say in case Palestinians would make peace with Israel? On the other hand there is no Palestinian leader or leaders ABLE AND WILLING to make peace with Israel on ANY conditions. Therefore, there is no "maybe" here. There will be no peace no matter what Israel will do until the majority of the Palestinians will realize that peace is better than war (or, alternatively, that war is worse than peace) and will demand their leaders to make peace with Israel.
Naive. Iran's rulers are vehemently anti Israeli because of their Jihadist, apocalyptic religious beliefs. Palestinians are just a pretext, peace or no peace.
A-Jad... Iranians rulers will not remain leaders too long in case the PEOPLE of Iran would not support them... and I doubt that they will be able to find a "pretext" convincing enough to send millions of Iranians to their death at war with Israel in case there will be peace between Israel and the Palestinians.
Thinker, nobody in Iran cares much about Palestinians. Certainly not enough to get killed for them. But they will follow their Shi'a apocalyptic jihadist beliefs to death. The reason they seek to destroy Israel is almost purely their extremist version of Shi'a Islam. FYI it requires the death of many or all Jews for their version of Messiah (12th Imam) to 'return'. You can't underestimate the power of religious madness just because you may fall into the trap of some commentators presenting tham as 'rational.' They're only 'rational' within their apocalyptic madness.
A-Jad... Can you explain where all those fanatic Shia jihadists came from considering that less than 35 years ago Iran was in pretty good peaceful relations with Israel?
Because 35 years ago Iran wasn't ruled by religious fanatics like it is today.
A-Jad... AS I've explained earlier no religious fanatics can last long enough WITHOUT popular support. This means that they NEED popular support to stay in power. Is it clear enough?
not bloody likely
I don't think the King will do anything to free the Palestinians because his own people will do away with the King's head as it happened in the past with that one prime minister who started talking crazy. Israel has those fundamentalists who are just as deranged as the most deranged Palestinians, Iranians, or any orthodox religious groups.
They just will not allow any progressive thinking that won't permit any more illegal settlements
Palestinians ARE FREE already. Some of them live happily under their own democratically elected government of Abbas and the rest live no less happily under the democratically elected government of Hamas...
Further, "Illegal" means "IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW" and as long as THERE IS NO LAW forbidding the Jews to live in the West Bank but allowing the Arabs to live there Jewish settlements will remain NO LESS LEGAL than Arab villages.
The simple fact is the Palestinians already have a higher standard of living than most Arabs in non oil producing countries. Even the Gazans live better than ordinary Egyptians. Hopefully peace between Israel and them will materialize sometime. It's a secondary issue for Israel, not of the existential kind, like the Iran problem.
Zakaria joins the rest of the anti semites in calling Netanyahu "king of Israel". I thought Zakaria was a bit smarter than that and wouldn't let his anti semitism be so obvious...but I guess not...his venom got the better of him and it spilled over into his column.
Excuse me...has any one seen my pipe & slippers?! All the comments here are just a repeat of the past 60 or so years, I am Jewish, and quite frankly BOTH sides need to grow up and start acting like adults instead of children!!
Liam, 60 years ago Israel didn't face a country 12 times its size in population and more in territory, that actually seeks to annihilate it.
Hmmm. How about Egypt, Syria and Jordan combined? In 1967 these three countries tried to annihilate Israel. Of course, it happened only 45 years ago, not 60...
Iran is now thinking about attacking Israel. If America doesn't stop this, it will take Iran about 35 Minutes to blow Israel of the face of the Planet. Lets see what happens.
Right now the opposite is true. If Obama hadn't been holding Israel because if his reelection considerations, Israel could blow Iran off the map. Matters will be different in 1-2 tears , after Iran gets the Bomb and probably drops it on Tel Aviv, causing its own total destruction in response. Sad. These countries shouldn't logically have any beef between them. But Islamists do not follow western logic.
dbone... Somehow I doubt that Israel will sit idle waiting to be nuked by Iran.
If you believe in the Messiah coming from Israel, Israel has to make it. We should make it, plus they are our best ally.
I meant "We should help them make it" not "We should..
Loki, There never was a Palestine, nor Palestinian people; they are made up indeed. Israel never stole any land; you are brainwashed by the left. It was no mans land until the Jews developed and made it prosporous. They are up against barbarians from the dark ages who hate Jews. Israel has no partner for peace and never did. Arabs do not want another state; they want to destroy Israel. Now wake up!
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Netanyahu is a yahu and a terrorist criminal. He has blood on his hands of innocent children who were in protection of UN. He has killed innocent children several times with intent to kill and wipe out the Palestinians race. UN has resolutions against this criminals actions but US always protects his back end. He is no different then Bin laden. He is a bully and a war monger. He will never accept peace because his ultimate goal is to destroy and kill all the Palestinians.
Yep, there you go a king.
Meaning feudalism.
Meaning I told you so.
Down with the criminal Likud.
Marlon Brando says Hollywood is owned and run by Jews. Let's not forget their casinos in Las Vegas, etc. etc. They can rightfully own these, but they will never have all of the Palestinian land. Anything post-1967 has been nothing but trouble. This land should inspire peace, not war. Don't be so greedy. Nobody can take things like money and land with them after death. Did Ramsey take the Pyramids with him to the grave?
God Bless Israel and good luck IDF vs Iran, if it happens.
God damm Israel and bad luck if they start another war. Israelis are responsible for the polarization of the world population and religious clash. They created it all to benefit from it, which is how they make Americans eliminate their enemies at no cost to them and get billions of dollars of US taxpayers' money as aid on top of the other military and other assistance every year. Americans always lose in this friendship, which means that Israel is not an ally. Israelis pumped so much lies and propaganda into US public on a daily basis, Americans are all brainwashed and think that their enemy is Arabs. It's only natural that when you unfairly and unconditionally support the violent state of the middle east, their enemies become your enemies. US should dump Israel as an ally and become neutral in the middle east affairs as soon as possible to recover, Americans lost enough money, soldiers, credibility, and gained enough enemies because of their so-called ally but actual enemy Israel. Wake up people!
The fact is that neither you, Loki, nor anyone else can NAME A SINGLE WAR Israel started without being attacked first. Pretty embarrassing, is not it?
where are the Ghandi's and Martin Luther King Jr's of the palestine people.
they could have peace and their own country.
it seems they would rather endanger their own citizens by citing violence.
they could turn the world against israel if they asked for peace instead of
the asking civilians to fight.
These comments are mostly full of hate and ignorant statements. Pretty sad to read them.
Truth may hurt but it needs to be voiced. US public is subject to lies and propaganda by Israeli controlled politicians and media in an ongoing basis. They make Americans think that Arabs are their enemies and Israel is their ally, because it's their filthy method, they create polarization among world population and use religious clash to benefit from it. They make Americans eliminate the enemies they created, at no expense to them. Americans suffers the consequences in various ways, deeply. They they receive sympathy and billions of US taxpayers' money as aid every year on top, in addition to military and other aid and investments they force. They threaten US politicians in an ongoing basis through their lobbies and with their votes. Israel is the most violent nation that continuously violates international law, murders innocent people including children, bullies and threatens every nation and person that rightfully criticizes them. Any non-Israeli brainwashed individual that falls for the lies and propaganda needs to go through renovation and think clearly, it's hard but it needs to be done for the world to stop feeding the parasite/leech so that they come to terms with UN and the world. The entire world condemns the actions of Israel but the US because of the unethical politicians, which made US lose credibility in the world enormously since the 1990s. Wake up!
how is syria working out for you ? another muslim country going down the drain ,
because of the internet islam is doomed . go back to saudi monkie
Israel is the most violent state in the entire world, they continually violate international law and bully other nations when they are rightfully criticizes. United States can't help USPS but sends billions of US taxpayers' money every year to the warmonger Israelis in addition to military and other aid. Americans had nothing to do with middle east but got involved in wars because of Israel, to eliminate their enemies at no charge to them. In this process, Americans lost enormous amount of money, thousands of soldiers.. gained enemies.. lost credibility throughout the world.. Why? Because Israelis bully the US politicians in an ongoing basis through their lobbies and threaten them with their votes. They pump lies and propaganda into the US public in a daily basis. If the current status ends, the money and aid pouring from US will stop, so they do not want a solution to their artificial (self-created and fueled) problems. The US economy is going down thanks t Israel. With an ally like them, US needs no enemies, but it gains enemies as well thanks to Israel. Israel is not your friend, they don't care about the welfare of Americans. Your true enemy is not Arabs, it's Israelis. Wake up America!
95 percent of terrorism activity in the world. Of these twenty (Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, South Sudan, Yemen, Iran, Uganda, Libya, Egypt, Nigeria, Palestinian Territories, Democratic Republic of Congo, Central African Republic, Colombia, Algeria, Thailand, Philippines, Russia, Sudan, Iran, Burundi, India, Nigeria, and Israel) all but four of them (Democratic Republic of Congo, Central African Republic, Colombia, and Burundi) involve Islamic terrorism. In terms of terrorism fatalities the top four nations (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Somalia) accounted for 75 percent of the world total of terrorism related deaths. All of these were the result of Islamic radicalism, often directed at other Moslems and not just non-Moslems (“infidels”).
I think the U.S is responsible for the deaths of about a 100 million people in wars starting with the genocide of the natives, through all the wars of the 20th and 21st centuries. How many have the drones killed so far, any idea? What the terrorists kill is a drop in the ocean compared to the toll from hell-fire missiles and nuclear weapons.
Well said!!
I WISH THE WORLD AND ALL THE PEOPLE KNOWS OF SUCH INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW. UNFORTUNATELY, NOT SO.
America leaders must not being used again into wars and conflicts etc.. LET'S HAVE A CHANGE – ENCOURAGE FOR PEACE YES PEACE...
Benjamin Netanyahu is called a king of Israel??? Really? Is it true? I cannot believe it.. For all Christians in the world if Israel appoints a king – that is the sign of the last day... There is a prophecy about it... Everybody knows about it... All Christians know what it means... Prophecy says that we dont know place and time, but when Israel appoints or calls somebody a king, thats the time when he will start the Final World War, Armagedon... I cannot believe it... And if we take into account the aggressiveness of zionizm and threats of war from everywhere everything seems possible... it doesnt look like a fary tales any more... I am scared that I live in this time... God save the earth and humans from such horrible future... I hope that we live in peaceful time and not at that time about which talks the prophecy....
Balfour sponsored the Aliens Act 1905 to restrict Jewish immigration into Britain. The aim of the 1917Balfour Declaration was to get the Jews to leave Britain and Europe and move to Palestine. His motives were anti-Jews rather than any sypmapthy for the Jews, and the only Jewish Member of the British Cabinet, at the time, Edwin Samuel Montagu wrote a Memo describing the Zionist idea as a "mischievous, evil idea", adding that Jews from Europe and Russia had nothing in common with the Jews of Palestine, other than sharing a religion. The whole memo can be read on the Jewish Virtual Library website.
How right he was and the proof is there before us. Sixty plus years of occupation, oppression and the degradation and dehumanization of the Palestinian people, Jews, Christians and Muslims.
If the Palestinians did not like "occupation, oppression and the degradation and dehumanization" they would NEGOTIATE A BETTER DEAL long ago. They had Sixty plus years to do it.
The Israel-Palestine conflict can be summed up so simply it is remarkable that the media cannot (or will not) pick up on it:
The Palestinians and their governments do not accept the existence of Israel. Period. End of story.
Until this changes there will never be peace and any talks are entirely pointless.
Which country can you name would accept their lands being occupied and taken over by a people from all corners of Europe and Russia? Today, a Palestinian in the occupied territories cannot get his brother to return, whereas a Jew living in Vancouver can just pack his bags and go anytime. Injustice and open-air prisons will never bring peace. Your centuries of sufferings in Europe were no fault of the Palestinian people.
Who has the "right" of it is irrelevant to my point. Israel is willing to accept a Palestinian state, the Palestinians are not willing to accept Israel. As the path to peace calls for a two state solution, obviously the party that will not accept two states is the primary and overwhelming impediment to peace. The media likes to pretend otherwise, but we both know there is nothing Israel can do that will stop the conflict short of a mass exodus (which is not even remotely feasible or moral).
Can you SHOW THE LEGAL DEEDS proving that the land of Palestine belongs to the Arabs? In return I'll explain to you that it's up to Israel to decide who can and who can not come and settle in Israel. Deal?
Israel has never been the aggressor in any of the conflicts they have been in. The fact they have gained due to their victories is great.
"King of Israel". Considering Netanyahu is the only elected leader in a multiparty system anywhere in the Greater Syria region, what sort of inflammatory, propagandist crapola is CNN really about?
Rights are only irrelevant in an apartheid state, not one which claims to be a democracy. The whole world knows how much "rights" the Palestinians have. The Palestinians should only accept a one-state solution with equal rights for all, with no special status for Europe's and Russia's Jews.
why don't we ask Palestinians living in Israel, working in Israel, and enjoying everything Israeli society has to offer whether they want to move to an arab country...Dubai, Saudi Arabia, or any other arab country in the world....their answer will be a resounding NEVER. Now let's ask Jews living in arab countries whether they'd like to be able to go to Israel...and their answer will be a resounding YES. case closed!
Israel ALREADY IS a state having equal rights for all its citizens. It's up to the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza to decide if they want to have one state, two states or no states... as long as they'll leave Israel alone.
Another red herring. The real apartheid regime relevant here is Islam, where Muslim men sit on top of their women, these women squat on Christians and Jews (despised "dhimmis"), etc.
We don't know where it will start, but we know the place where it will end. Megiddo Mountain.
ZAKARIA
YOU'RE AN ANTI SEMITE AND YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.
Edwin Samuel Montagu wrote a long memo ( available at the Jewish Virtual Library website ) calling Balfour an antisemite for propsing that the Jews of Britain and Europe should move to Palestine. He thought it was a 'mischievous, evil idea' to get rid of the Jews and make them settle in Palestine, whose people they had absolutely nothing in common with, other than sharing the religion of the Jews of Palestine.
Netanyahu I believe is himself a child of Polish immigrants. There are no Hitlers and no holocausts and Jews have wonderful, prosperous lives whether it be Palm Beach or Wall Street or Hollywood or Paris. Does it make sense to live in the middle east where the odd rocket kills a Jew and a hundred Palestinians are butchered by hell-fire missiles. And there is no end in sight.
It was Hitler who wanted you to leave Germany, not the Palestinians. Go back and live in peace.
I don't know about anyone else....but I am so 'burnt out' on this whole Israel/Palestine situation that at this point I really don't care what goes on there. I am neither Jewish or Palestinian so I have no more of a vested interest in the outcome of this situation than I do in the outcome of any other world ethnic squabble that does not directly affect my life.
Sorry POD, vested interests are not the only things in life which should drive us. I too am neither Jew or Palestinian, but remaining quite is not an option, in the face of such inhumanity and injustice perpetrated on a defenceless people by foreigners who remind us everyday of the holocaust.
If the Palestinians did not like the current arrangement they would NRGOTIATE A BETTER DEAL long ago, don't you agree? They had plenty of opportunities.
1947: A Year of Terror
Jan. 12—Four killed by Irgun terrorist bombing of British headquarters.
Jan. 13—Arab kidnapped and castrated by Jewish terrorists.
March 1—Sixteen Britons killed by Jewish terrorists/Britain invokes martial law
March 10—Jewish informer killed by Jewish terrorists.
March 11—Two British soldiers killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 8—British constable killed by Jewish terrorists.
April 22—Eight killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of the Cairo-Haifa train.
April 25—Five killed in Jewish terrorist bombing of British camp.
April 26—British police official killed by Jewish terrorist.
May 8—Three Jewish shops in Tel Aviv whose owners refused to contribute to Jewish terrorist groups burned down by Jewish terrorists.
May 12—Two British policemen killed in Jewish Jerusalem.
May 15—British policeman killed in terrorist ambush.
May 15—Two British soldiers killed in terrorist Stern Gang attack.
May 16—Two British police officers killed by terrorists.
June 5—Jewish terrorists introduce letter bombs in Middle East.
June 28—Four British soldiers killed in Jewish terrorist raids.
July 3—“Anti-terrorist” Jewish families beaten up by Irgunists.
July 18—British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 19—Another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 20—Yet another British soldier killed by Jewish terrorists.
July 23—65 Jews killed when Haganah sinks immigration ship.
July 26—Two British soldiers killed in booby trap.
July 29—Three Jews executed by hanging. Jewish terrorists retaliate by hanging two British soldiers.
Aug. 5—Three British police killed by bomb; plot discovered to poison the water supply of non-Jewish parts of Jerusalem with botulism and other bacteria.
Aug. 15—Twelve Palestinians killed in raid by Haganah troops.
Aug. 18—Shops of five Jews in Tel Aviv destroyed by Jewish terrorists.
Aug. 23—Five Arabs of one family—two men, a woman and two children—killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 7—French foil Stern Gang plot to air bomb London.
Sept. 21—British messenger killed by Jewish terrorists.
Sept. 26—Four British policemen killed in Irgun terrorist bank robbery.
Sept. 27—Illegal Jewish immigrant killed by British.
Sept. 29—13 killed, 53 wounded in Irgun terrorist attack on British police station.
Oct. 4—Two Jews killed in ambush, two Arabs killed in retaliation.
Oct. 13—Two British troops killed by Jewish terrorists in Jerusalem.
Nov. 3—Jewish policeman killed, reportedly by Stern Gang after refusing to reveal secret police matters.
Nov. 12—21 killed in British-Jewish clashes.
Nov. 14—Jewish terrorists kill 4 Britons in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv
Dec. 13—35 Palestinian civilians killed in Jewish terrorist attacks.
Dec. 18—Palmach (“assault companies”) kills 10 Arabs, including 5 children, in nighttime raid on northern Galilee village of Khissas. The following day Haganah troops blew up the home of the village elder of Qazaza in central Palestine, killing several inhabitants. Wrote The Times of London:
A s s w h o l e – everytime we have discussed anything, you have lost.
Because, you are muslim, 1000 years from now your great great great grand-children will tell everyone how Patrick tried to ridicule you.
Now, you want to be me.
G R O W U P
The muslim nations could just g@ng up on Israel and attack it, they only outnumber Israel 1,000 to 1. Oh, that is right, they tried a couple times and got pushed back, lol!
Refer to American Ralph Bunche's official UN Report on 'Zionist Terrorism' in 1947-49.
israel is a turd hole..nuttinyahoo is the king of turds
jews are the kings of terrorism
Netanyahu has been described by State Department negotiators in the past as a liar who would not fulfill any peace agreeement made with the Palestinians, even if one was reached. He builds settlements and authorizes illegal outposts. His goal has been for negotiations that give nothing to be held while settlement buidling goes on,and on, and on.If a peace deal is ever reached, it will not be done by this man. Nothing he has ever done suggests that he will change.
It is only by God's will and protection that Israel still survives. Though surrounded on every side by enemies that want to stamp it out, and outnumbered 1,000 to 1 by Muslim aggressors, Israel prospers.
Jihadis are no better than winged monkeys that flew out of the witch's but.
2012.05.14 (Ghormach, Afghanistan) – Religion of Peace bombers take down seven civilians at a market.
2012.05.14 (Adamawa, Nigeria) – Fifteen Christian villagers are massacred by twenty Fulani raiders.
2012.05.13 (Pattani, Thailand) – Muslim terrorists throw grenades into a Red Cross fair, injuring two dozen.
2012.05.13 (Saadyiah, Iraq) – 'Insurgents' blow up a home with a family inside, killing the mother and injuring a child.
2012.05.13 (Dhoraji, Pakistan) – A religious scholar and two others are murdered by sectarian rivals.
2012.05.13 (Bhutto Nagar, Pakistan) – Two Shiites are abducted, tortured and then shot to death by Sunni radicals.
I could swear I read somewhere of a Brooklyn rabbi committing atrocities in Jerusalem. You must have missed that in your list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein. Let me educate you a bit.
No, you don't get more hawkish than bibi. Now he gets a freen hand to basicall do what he wanats and all of a sudden bibi is a dove... Either you'er trying your hand at comedy or you're high, which is it?
Will Israel ever support and defend itself like the hundreds of other countries across the planet? and stop being America's most expensive welfare state?
Consider it done... An Arab country (Iraq) receives THREE TIMES more US aid than Israel. All Arab states combined receive FIVE TIMES MORE aid than Israel.
So when will the doilie heads and towel heads go at it? Hahahahahaha
Reading this gibberish really entertains me. First, if you disagree with Israel you seem to be an anti-Semite. Why is that? Why are you barred from disagreeing with how Israel conducts itself under the penalty of be called anti-semitic? Israel started the 1967 war and claimed it was due to a build up of Egyptian forces on it's borders. CLAIMED! BUT, it is still STARTING a war. Seems like they are using the same excuse now with Iran. All you Israel supporters still haven't justified why Israel expands settlements. Are the Palestinians just supposed to sit idly and watch? I wouldn't and I'm Italian. I'm not running to Italy to defend her neither did my parents during WWII. Jews, are you American or Israeli? You are destroying America by standing by Israel. They need to return the land taken in 1967 and stop all this warmongering. Remove your settlements and stop building concentration camps for Africans. You of all people should be against ethic cleansing. You want Israel to be free of African culture but didn't Germany want to be free of Jewish culture? You are wrong. Most of you are turning a blind eye to the truth just because you are Jewish.
The fact is that it as Egypt (and NOT Israel) who started the 1967 war by blocking the Tiran Strait. According to UN Resolution 3314 blockage of sea ports of another country is a bona fide act of aggression justifying the attacked state to use force in self defense. Further, in 1967 about 95% of Israeli oil came through the blocked port of Eilat meaning that Israel DID NOT HAVE A CHOICE but to remove the blockade. Still further, the fact that most of Egyptian molitary was concentrated along Israeli border preparing for a crashing offensive made it relatively easy for the Israelis to beat them. An army preparing for an offensive usually is not well prepared for a defensive and this is exactly what happened in 1867.
Robert, are you sure that Israel should RETURN all the land taken in 1867? You should realize that if it will happen the Palestinians will get NOTHING because these lads were taken from Jordan, Egypt and Syria. NOT from the Palestinians. Further, if you believe that there should be no Jewish settlements in the West Bank what about ARAB villages there? What (if not racism) makes you believe that the Arabs should have MORE rights than Jews? Finally, every 4th Israeli is an Arab but the number of Jews living in the Palestinian-controlled areas of the West Bank and Gaza is EXACTLY ZERO. Who is guilty of "ethnic cleansing", in your opinion?
Those settlements in the West Bank house thousands of Jews, but you knew that.
I have to agree that your moniker describes you perfectly, "You Lie". I've stated that the number of Jews living in the PALESTINIAN-CONTROLLED AREAS OF WEST BANK AND GAZA WAS EXACTLY ZERO. There are no Jews in the PALESTINIAN-CONTROLLED AREAS. All Jewish settlements are located in the regions CONTROLLED BY ISRAEL.
Again, Israel controlled is the key word here. Why are they "controlling" Palistinian land? AND, they are expanding the settlements. Please tell me you know this? Please tell me you read about the UN and their take on settlement expansion? Why do Jews deny they are doing wrong? So, Baruch Goldstein was right for what he did? Killing praying moslems? I understand Israel needs security but at what expense? Continue to harm innocent Palistinians? Israel will never have international support as long as the media prints what it see.
Robert... Can you NAME the state Palestinian land belongs to? If you CAN NOT it means that Israel has at least as much right to control this land as anyone else. Further, it is PERFECTLY LEGAL for a state to control enemy territory DURING A WAR. Still further, THERE IS NO LAW forbidding Jews to live in the West Bank but allowing Arabs to live there. Finally ,can you NAME at least one UN Resolution that was violated by Israel but complied with by the Arabs? Thank you.
Robert... Baruch Goldstein was A TERRORIST and a mass murderer and this is how he is being remembered in Israel. On the other hand, a terrorist and a mass murderer Yasser Arafat became the first Palestinian President. The terrorist organization Hamas received the majority of Palestinian votes. Something to think about, don't you agree?
I can't name just one; Israel has ove 80 UN resolutions. Israel's settlements are illegal. They need to et out of Palestine and stay in Israel. Why can the Jewish terrorist, Netanyahu, expel hundreds of thousands of Africans on the premise of culture dilution? Can't he US do the same? Can Germany? France? Admit it, Israel is all about itself and what it can take from everyone else.
Robert... You can not name EVEN ONE UN Resolution that was violated by Israel but COMPLIED WITH by the Arabs. You see, if one side in a deal refuses to comply with its terms the other side is under no obligation to comply with it, either. Further, "illegal" means "IN VIOLATION OF A LAW". As long as THERE IS NO LAW forbidding Jews to live in the West Bank but allowing Arabs to live there Jewish settlements will be no less legal than Arab villages. Still further, ANY country can and should expel illegal immigrants. The US, for example, expels hundreds of thousands of them every year. Are you calling President Obama A TERRORIST because of that? and YES, so does Germany, France and most every other civilized state.
mention Israel/Palestine...all the bigots wake up. you should all be doing something useful with your time. Fareed get paid big money for his words...good or bad. Israel and Palestine will exist beyond our time.
The only leader called King of Israel in modern history was Ariel Sharon. That's because he was a winner in war and a doer in peace. Netanyahu has much to prove in both fields. He must first bring the downfall of the Mullahs in Iran, then peace with Palestinians will be achievable. The pther way around won't work for Israel.
Jews are very brave. They kill the Palestinians and steal their land everyday. Wonder what happened to their valour and killer instincts when they were being rounded up in Europe. Why were they so docile?
Go back to your ancestral homes and stop your murderous rampage and greed a la Madoff.
If the Palestinians did not like the current arrangement they would NEGOTIATE A BETTER DEAL long ago. They had plenty of opportunities... They could even bring the LEGAL DEEDS proving that the lands "stolen by Israel" belong to the Arabs to Israeli court and demand compensation...
Salmon. Give us a brake. 6 million Jews in Israel confronting 300 million Arabs and 1.5 billion Muslims is brave enough in my book.
You forgot to add the 1 billion in the West whose guilt you've encashed on with your incessant holocost cries. Which camp did you escape from then? Didn't your book advise you to fight rather than undress?
Haha Salmon. Since you towel heads deny the holocaust in the first place, what are you talking about? Israel exists not because of the holocaust, but because Muslims can't fight modern wars, where technology counts more than numbers.
No one denies the holocaust. Finkelstein's 'Holocaust Industry' says it all. Uganda and Argentina and some place in Canada were all considered as a refuge for the Jews. Balfour who came up with the idea of a Jewish homeland on land which didn't belong to him was an ouright anti-Jew. He did it not out of any sympathy but to get rid of them. And the most vocal opponent of this Zionist plan was the only Jewish Member of the British Cabinet, Edwin Samuel Motagu, whose Memo can be read in detail on the Jewish Virtual Library website. I have copy of a letter he wrote to Lord Rothschild for the Bankers support in getting the Jews to agree to a place in Palestine, a British Mandate territory. The colonial bas**rd's legacy is what we see today and the thieving goes on at the hands of the 6 million escapees.
While crying over anti-Jews ( won't use the word semitic, because, Arabs and Palestinians are semitic, the Western Jews are not; they are white/caucasian ), you have no problem in using derogatory words for those whose lands you steal.
You use lies, which are worst than anything in a debate. E;g. Ashkenazi Jews "aren't semitic" is a red herring. DNA tests prove that Ashkenzi Jews are mostly of Israelite descent, with some infusion from Europe an, Slav and Khazar host populations. Sephardic and Eastern Jews are also mostly of Israelite descent some host population influences. If anyone doesn't historically belong in the subject country, it's "Palestinians" who are Arabs originating basically in Arabia. Most Israelis would nevertheless have no problem with "Palestinians" having their country in the West Bank, if that's what they want, provided that doesn't impair Israelis' security.
Well, genius, if you agree that Palestine was A BRITISH MANDATE TERRITORY why do you think that the land of Palestine belongs to the Arabs and not to the Brits, for example? Or to the Turks because it were the Ottoman Turks who ruled Palestine for 600 years prior to the Brits?
Salmon... According to every dictionary, "Anti-Semitism" means "Hatred of Jews". Since you disagree with all of them can you explain WHO ARE PALESTINIANS? You may start from your statement about "Arabs AND Palestinians" implying that Palestinians are NOT Arabs. If so WHO ARE PALESTINIANS, in your opinion? By the way, if you're interested to know how a Semitic Jew who lived in Judea 2000 years ago looked like you may visit your local church. They'll gladly show you pictures of a Jew who was born in Bethlehem and spent his entire life in Nazareth, Jerusalem and other places in the area. Good luck!
My re ply is being censored. Sorry, the Jews of Palestine share their ethnicity with the Christian and Muslim Palestinians. The western Jews are white/caucasian, NOT middle eastern. The Icelandic Jew and the Palestinian Jew are not related to each other or to Ibrahim of Iraq ( Mesopotamia, ). It is absurd and dishonest to suggest that the Palestinian does not belong there, but the Russian Jew does. Your own Professor of History at Tel Aviv University, Shlomo Sand in his book "The Invention of the Jewish People" disproves everything you say. Is he too a self-hating Jew? All Christians do not belong to Nazareth; neither do all Muslims belong to Arabia or Jews belong to the middle East.
Salmon, you may or may not be educated about your own people, but you obviously know nothing about Jews. Read my post on DNA below. Jews were expelled from the subject land by the Romans in 135 AD. Maybe a few remained, which explains some small traces of Jewish DNA in Palestinians. In any event, all that is old history that shouldn't be a determining factor in today's resolution efforts. All Jews who've emigrated to the land from Europe certainly had infinitely more rights and moral reasons to do so (to save their lives) than Arabs and other Muslims have a right to emigrate to Western Europe (to improve their lives.) But with you, it's always the same. What's your is yours, and what's others' is also yours. You Arabs should have 10% of the land surface of planet Earth and still be allowed to immigrate to Europe and the US, while the Jews who had nothing on Earth, no country at all , shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to that little piece of land that you've turned into a desert and practically abandoned. Talk about hypocrisy and warped logic.
Plus I'd urge you to read Montagu's memo to Balfour. It's available on your very own Jewish webiste, Jewish Virtual Library, devoted to the Zionist cause.
Are the Chinese and Assamese Jews also related to the Russian Jews, with an infusion of oriental blood. And how about the racially abused Ethiopian Jews. I guess the Latvian Jew shares their DNA too.
Salmon, Shlomo Sand and yourself are refuted by scientific data. Almost all Jews in the world are related and have a common origin, in the subject land. The DNA evidence is overwhelming on this, but of course Arabs aren't much interested in real evidence. They tell themselves these imaginary tales and end up believing their own imaginary inventions. Palestinian DNA is mostly Arab, originating from the Arabian Peninsula. It does show some traces of Israelite origin. Much less than Jews. But, hey, if the Palestinians claim to originate from the Land of Israel, they should simply revert to their Jewish ancestry, complete with Hebrew language and Jewish religion. Problem solved.
Now you're talking racism.
Zi0nism is elitist. Elitism in the ugly cousin to racism . . .
Plus I'd urge you to read Montagu's memo to Balfour. It's available on your very own Jewish webiste, Jewish Virtual Library, devoted to the Zionist cause.
All Jews in the world are related by DNA, does that go for the Christians, Muslims and Buddhists too? What an intricate web we weave, when the intention is to decieve. So your own Israeli Jewish Professor of History is wrong and you are right. Now if on humanitarian grounds you say the Jews should have a place where they feel safe; it may sound reasonable, after centuries of western anti-Jewishness. But then you don't move to another part of the world and start slaughtering the locals. You have failed to live in peace. And, in fact Jews are much safer in Europe and North America than they are in Israel. Ironically Jews are safer in Iran, than they are in Israel.
So, while you at it, tell me when the holocaust was in progress, how many Jews were rounded up and killed in the Arab/Muslim world?
Do you guys have any shame at all?
by DNA??? wow!!! so much incest!
DNA is defined as a nucleic acid that carries the genetic information in the cell and is capable of self-replication and synthesis of RNA. DNA consists of two long chains of nucleotides twisted into a double helix and joined by hydrogen bonds between the complementary bases adenine and thymine or cytosine and guanine. The sequence of nucleotides determines individual hereditary characteristics.
What does Monatgu have to do with the (non) issue you've started, of whether European Jews are really Jews? here's a conclusion of an expert from the US National Academy of Science "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level." The reasons for that are in Jewish culture of inter marriage. (As to Ethiopian Jews, they're indeed an excetpion that proves the rule. As to them being 'racially abused' that funny coming from a Muslim, an Iron age religion that calls Christians and Jews 'apes and swine' and kills other non-believers.
I wouldn't be surprised if the scientist was paid off by Madoff
Haha. There were many DNA researches on this subject, all coming to the same conclusion. Believe what you may. This culture of lying to yourselves weakens mostly yourselves. One of the reasons why your countries are so backward, can't compete and fight with Western countries. Down the abyss you go, all 56 Muslim countries of the world, with no end in sight.
So says the Bible. The Bible also says the world was created 6000 years back. Do you believe that too? Using some biblical story about natives of the middle east to come from Latvia and Russia to steal land; I think that is unconscienable; devoid of any sense of justice. As for "thinker' he is too juvenile to take seriously.
Jews publish dictionaries, control sites like wikipedia, making it more and more difficult to seek the truth.
I asked you a simple question. You say all the Jews in the world from China to Palm Beach to Ethiopia to Iceland are all related and connected to the middle east. And I asked you if the same logic applies to the Christians, Muslims, Buddhists inter alia.
And????
No. The reason is that Jews are a people, not a religion.
It will never end . . . until one side or both are annihilated . . .
Who paid the scientist for his reasearch. Some Gold or Platinumstein? I thought so.
And I asked you another simple question. " While the European holocaust was in progress, how many Jews were rounded up and killed in the Arab/Muslim world? No reply????
Yesterdays enemies are today's dearly beloved friends and those that didn't do you any harm are your new enemies.
The Arab/Muslim world had a very substantial part in the holocaust, as it supported it in words and action (Google Mufti of Jerusalem) and practically forced the British to close Palestine to Jewish immigration- a crime against humanity that doomed millions of European Jews to death. This behavior toward the Jews was in line with the barbaric treatment of Jews in the lands of Islam, throughout the sorry relations that began with Muhammad's massacre of Jews in Medina and their total ethnic cleansing from Arabia.
So the Jews are a people and Christians and Muslims are not a people?
And you say the Mufti was responsible for the holocaust, not the Europeans who I believe at the time were all Muslims including Hitler's admirers among the British aristocracy and the royals. And we mustn't forget the Canadian Prime Minister Mackenzie who thought Hitler was like 'Joan of Arc' and of course Mr Blair,Canadian Director of Immgration who when asked how many Jews should be allowed to immigrate into Canada, said "None is too many" and of course the Americans and Canadians who refused entry to ships carrying fleeing Jews. They were all inspired by the Mufti as were the French, the Italians and other Europeans.
Does "evil" come to mind. I guess not, it's anti-semitic.
You want me to google. And who owns google. One of your 'people'?
The US is a meritocracy. Jews succeed in it without any favors. On the contrary, probably. If you don't like that , stay in Arabia. Why do you Muslims flock to Western Europe and the US, if you don't like their culture? Why do you emigrate out of your self made deserts if you forbid immigration to any place you ever laid a hand on?
Does the Jewish meritocracy include the world's biggest swindler Madoff?
Were you thinking of Madoff?
So, Samon, you haven't answered my question. What are you doing in the US? In Western Europe? don't you have enough living space in Arabia? or in all other countries you've misappropriated from Persia to the Atlantic? why do you invade other people's countries if that's bad?
Salmon... If you believe that ALL Jews should take responsibility for Madoff are YOU, as a Muslim, take responsibility for Osama Bin Laden?
But for the Mufti, the millions of Jews would all have been saved and here I was cursing Hitler and the Germans and all those Europeans loading the wagons. Darn! Sorry guys. It was the Mufti all along.
The Mufti stands for Palestinians as he was their foremost leader. Had they not prevailed on the British to close the doors of Palestine, millions could indeed be saved. That's a historical fact. But you don't like fact. Which is why a dialogue with you is futile. It will be a deaf dialog as long as you retain that Muslim culture that only sees itself. Good night.
In addition to the Mufti, I don't like Marlon Brando either, hear what he said about the Jew to Larry King. ( Youtube ).
Haha. Larry King himself is a Jew. Many successful people in the Us are Jewish. What;s you point?
HIs point is that every Jew is responsible for Madoff... but somehow I doubt that Salmon is willing to take responsibility for Oslama bin Laden.... Right, Salmon?
Give me a break with 'young Palestinian kids' etc. Blame their own people send them to the front line and hide behind them. If you care so much about morality, where are you when Arabs indiscriminately kill innocent Israeli civilians; where are you when Arabs kill infinitely more of your own kids? you don't really care. at all. It's all propaganda for you.
You are a bunch of fools. Thinker telling me that his dictionary ( published by "successful" jews ) says antisemitism means hatred of Jews. Really??? As if I didn't know that. The point I was making is that the word's ethnic connotation has been hijacked as western Jews are not of semitic race, but white/caucasians.
How more dishonest can you guys be, to transfer the blame for almost a millenium of hatred of Jews in the West with major pogroms, inquisitions, holocausts on to the Arabs/Muslims, knowing fully well that that history was not replicated in the Muslim world. And that says it all, when you have blinkers on.
The reason I wanted you to refer to Montagu's memo was to make the point that much of what I say is supported by Jews, including Israeli Jews ( who you cannot accuse of being anti-semitic ). I have a letter with me from an Israeli Jew, a Professor at a British University confirming that Balfour's declaration for a Jewish homeland was based more on his desire to get the Jews out of Europe rather than any sympathy for them. Anti-semitism was deeply rooted throughout the West for hundreds of years. I know of Jews who weren't allowed to stay in hotels because they were Jews.
When you forget your own history, you are not going to learn any lessons from it.
It is total intellectual dishonesty to claim that all Jews are one ethnic group, unless of course the aim is to justify occupying the lands in the middle east, based on some mythology.
And as for Madoff. Be honest, how many of your people are or were involved in the world's financial crisis; so the greed is not confined to one lone guy.
One final point re culture, it is possible that I know far more about Shakespeare and Beethoven and Michaelangelo and the classics than you guys. And I wear jeans, have a big Mac etc. etc. So what's your point? Muslim immigrants to the West don't demolish people's houses and occupy their lands. They work hard and live peaceful, law abiding lives. You guys started your invasion of the middle east on a fabricated lie, a biblical myth and then introduced terrorism thru' the Stern and Irgun terrorists. Sure there were Jews living in Palestine for thousands of years but I can assure they were no relation of yours, the Russian Jew or the Chinese Jew. They were all local population.
Salmon... If you're curious how a Semitic Jew living in Judea 2000 years ago looked like visit your local chirch. They'll gladly show you pictures of a Jew who was boen in Bethlehem 2012 years ago and lived in Nazareth, Jerusalem and other places in the area. You'll be amazed to discover that HE DID NOT LOOK LIKE AN ARAB AT ALL.
Further, I have not seen anyone blaming Arabs/Muslims for hundreds of years of anti-Semitism. This is, apparently, your own original invention, Salmon.
Still further, the common definition of an ethnic group is "a group of people having common culture, language, history and smoetimes religion". Being an ethnic group DOES NOT justify "occupying the lands in the Middle East" or anywhere else. This being said, however, Palestinians ARE NOT an ethnic group and neither you nor anyone else have shown anything proving that the land of Palestine belongs to them.
Regarding Madoff... Be honest, how many of YOUR people are involved in terrorism? Are you willing to accept the responsibility for it? If not then don't blame the Jews for Madoff.
Regarding "invasion to the Middle East... Can you NAME AN EXISTING STATE the land of Palestine belongs to? IN return I'll name the states in the West Muslims are immigrating into. Deal?
Kiddo you don't go by the pictures you see in church. You moron, the guy was not Scandinavian or European with blonde hair and blue eyes. God, unfortunately for you racists, chose a woman in the middle east not a Polish broad. The guy was born in the Gaza neighborhood and spoke Aramaic, a language still spoken in parts of Syria. In Africa, his pictures are brown. What an idiot.
Peter, Paul all that gibberish. Have you ever heard of Palestinians or Syrians with those kind of English names. There were no frickin holocaust escapees in those days. Go back to Russia.
I don't see what this has to do with the subject, but of course Jesus was Jewish. Indeed, he of Davidic descent according to the New Testament, which is something that most New Testament scholars agree was the case. Salmon is as uninformed about this as most other Arabs, who claim that the Jewish Temple didn't exist in Jerusalem, etc etc. Muhammad's horse probably had more brains than his modern average followers .
Salmon... The vast majority of Jews have dark hair and brown eyes. So did Jesus.
One other point, the young Palestinian kids that you kill everyday had nothing to do with your torturous history in Europe. It is very likely that their ancestors were Jews or Christians before they converted to Islam. They are the real semites. If you want an end to anti-semitism, you could begin by being more sensitive to the sufferings of others ( using Brando's words ).
Listen to the words of Dr Hajo Meyer a Auschwitz survivor on youtube and reflect.
Give me a break with 'young Palestinian kids' etc. Blame their own people send them to the front line and hide behind them. If you care so much about morality, where are you when Arabs indiscriminately kill innocent Israeli civilians, kids and adults; where are you when Arabs kill infinitely more of your own kids? you don't really care. at all. It's all propaganda to you.
If the Palestinians in general and "young Palestinians kids" in particular did not like the current arrangement they would NEGOTIATE a better deal long ago. On the other hand, as long as they're willing the war to continue it will mean that they're happy with the results. When the number of dead Palestinians wil satisfy those still alive they will ask for peace.
And finally, I do believe that the Jews are a very accomplished people, because they believe in education and hard work and because of that they hold a sway over Wall Street, the legal and medical professions, Hollywood, media etc.
But too much concentration of these in a minority does raise questions. I think anyone would ask that question. Doesn't mean you are anti-anyone really.
It also begs the question why people who are a) very smart and b) been the target of victimisation throughout history, be so callous to the suffering of others and recognise that there can be no peace without justice for all.
The west bank and gaza we all know are only slightly better than Alcatraz.
The problem of the world isn't that Jews are 'accomplished people' but that Islam is an iron age religion, that causes retardation of all who practice it, backwardness of all countries who make it their state religion, and source of most violence in the world.
Netanyahu didn't refuse to join a coalition with Tzipi Livni's Kadima. It was Livni who refused to join Likud, while Netanyahu was practically begging her to join so he wouldn't be so beholden to the smaller parties. She left him no choice. Very similar to how the Palestininans have refused to talk peace with Israel, despite Israel practially begging them to sit and talk. If they weren't so intransigent, the Palestinians would get much of what they wanted.
Good thing you were hiding under that bi t h Ann Frank's bed while the Gestapo were pumping away. Too traumatized for any rational discussion. Don't forget to visit the holocaust memorial before shooting at some semite Palestinian kids speaking that funny semitic language.
How deep. Look who's harping on the holocaust now.
Yeah you bet. That's what happens when you totally ignore the points made and start the usual Islam bashing knowing full well tha t there is no way I am going to attack the Torah or the Bible which Muslims regard as holy books and revere all the prophets of the Bible. Although I can assure you there is a thousand times more violence in the Bible ( Deutronomy ) than there is in the Quran.
And you even show total disrespect for a Auschwitz survivor or what he had to say.
Unfortunately you guys are so power drunk now what with America's backing and hundreds of nuclear warheads that racism, occupation, war, nothing matters. To hell with world opoinion.
As for Thinker he is really a child; going by the pictures he see in church. Maybe he should go to churches in Ethiopia where Jesus ( or whatever his real name was ) is depicted as brown. The guy and his Mom are shown as Scandinavian looking in the West, because the day they show him and his Mom as middle eastern looking, the Christian world will go back to paganism. He spoke the language Aramaic, still spoken in parts of Syria and he was born what 15 kilometres from the Gaza strip? So go on dreaming Thinker ( who doesn't think )
You can attack the Torah to your heart's content. We don't restrict criticism of anything, including religious texts. I honestly believe that Islam is the source of all troubles in the wworld, starting with those who practice it. Most other non Muslims in the world believe that. If you need to styfle free speech, stay in the Lands of Islam. I ask you for the 5th time, why do you swamp Western Countries, when you have all these lands from Persia to the Atlantic to yourselves?
And for the 100th time why do you guys move to the middle east and steal steal steal. Why did you wait for Hitler? Just a coincidence?
And for the 100th time why do you guys move to the middle east and steal steal steal.
That's what Hitler, the Europeans and most Americans and Canadians said about the Jews, for a thousand years that "they were a source of all trouble". Honestly. You can do the research. In fact I believe Blair, the Immigration boss in Canada in the 30's had this to say:In a letter to a supporter of his anti-Jewish immigration policies, Blair wrote, “I suggested recently to three Jewish gentlemen with whom I am well acquainted, but it might be a very good thing if they would call a conference and have a day of humiliation and prayer, which might profitably be extended for a week or more, where they would honestly try to answer the question of why they are so unpopular almost everywhere...I often think that instead of persecution it would be far better if we more often told them frankly why many of them are unpopular. If they would divest themselves of certain of their habits I am sure they could be just as popular in Canada as our Scandinavian friends are"
Salmon... The oldest known pictures of Jesus were made by Romans and Bizantines during the 3rd and 4th Century AD. There were many thousands of Jews from Judea there at the time for the creators of those pictures to make the Jew named Jesus to look like a Jew and NOT like an Arab, an African or a European. I would suggest you to GET A CLUE of what you're talking about in the future so you will not make a fool of yourself at every opportunity.
Crucifixion was the preferred method for middle eastern terrorists in those days. Now he would have been killed by a hell-fire missile by the Americans/Israelis. No one would then have known what Thinker's Scandinavian looking, English speaking Jesus would have looked like. First they killed him then 3 centuries later they started worshipping him and of course painted pictures of him and his middle eastern mother to look like Northern Italians.
The sorry relations of Jews with Islam started with Muhammad decapitating all post puberty Jews of the Jewish tribe of Banu Qoraise, in the Suk of Medina, May 627. After that he forced the Jews of Khaibar into a status of dhimmis, between Muslim women and dogs. He promised them they could stay in Arabia but his second successor Omar nevertheless chased them all out of Arabia. Talk about ethnic cleansing. This is the historical fact. Your myths about the wonderful life of Jews in Islam, is just that. Myth. They lived sometime better and sometimes worse than the Jews of Christianity. The difference was like the difference between Cholera and Black Death. Jews needed a land of their own. They returned to their homeland. You can't accept it because you want to take everything and give nothing. You are barbarians. But there's still hope for you, because it's only in your religion, not your biology. One day you'll evolve to a higher level and out of the iron age. In the meantime, we'll defend ourselves from you rabid fanaticism.
These Arab Jews were no relation of your pork-chop eating ancestors in Poland.
How did they live in Moorish Spain and in Turkey after the Spanish Inquisition? Was it Cholera or Black Death?
Deep Salmon. Very deep thoughts. Summing you up, you hate blond and blue eyed people. You can swamp their lands but nobody , blond. dark or purple, can ever live in any land you've ever touched. As I said, you belong in the Iron Age. So be it, but leave the Jews alone, or stop whining when you lose genocidal wars you start against them.
tiny extract of Montagu's memo to the British Cabinet in Aug. 1917:
1.I assert that there is not a Jewish nation. The members of my family, for instance, who have been in this country for generations, have no sort or kind of community of view or of desire with any Jewish family in any other country beyond the fact that they profess to a greater or less degree the same religion. It is no more true to say that a Jewish Englishman and a Jewish Moor are of the same nation than it is to say that a Christian Englishman and a Christian Frenchman are of the same nation: of the same race, perhaps, traced back through the centuries – through centuries of the history of a peculiarly adaptable race.
2.When the Jews are told that Palestine is their national home, every country will immediately desire to get rid of its Jewish citizens.
3.3.I deny that Palestine is to-day associated with the Jews or properly to be regarded as a fit place for them to live in. .
4.I feel that the Government are asked to be the instrument for carrying out the wishes of a Zionist organisation largely run, as my information goes, at any rate in the past, by men of enemy descent or birth.
As far as you are concerned Shlomo Sand is wrong, Dr Hajo Meyer a Auschwitz survivor is wrong, all non-Zionist Jews are wrong and you are right. So end of discussion. There is no way I am going to convince you and I disagree with almost everything you say. So good luck to you. Sixty plus years have not brought any peace, all because it's the Palestinians fault.
Injustice didn't work in South Africa; didn't work in the colonies; doesn't work in dictatorships; doesn't work in states which use state terror.
I don't say the non peace situation is entirely the fault of Palestinians. But if they wanted a state, they could have it in 1948, in 2001 and in 2007. They always reject that because what they want is a second state for themselves in the West Bank (after Jordan.) And another state half theirs, which is today Israel. The Jews should have nothing. They should be content with the status of dhimmis , denoting restricted individual rights, and no collective rights. You call that justice. That's because you have a Hotentot notion of justice (injustice is when my neighbor steals from me, and justice is when I steal from him.)
You don't understand what being Jewish is all about. To most Jews it's about belonging to the same ancient people, originating from the same ancient land, with a distinct religion. Forcing Jews to give up their collective right of Jewish nationality was something the French did after their revolution. This mickey mouse of Montagu person is just a cowardly reflection of that flagrant injustice inflicted on Jews in some countries, denying their collective rights as a condition for giving them personal rights. Jews are and were a people before Arabs. Get over it.
I think you've made it very clear that I don't understand, and neither do the Shlomo Sand's, the Dr Hajo Meyer's, the Montagu's and other non-Zionists, who you are scornful of.
Nothing in the world will convince you. And I see where you are coming from. I've seen it in the eyes of those gun-toting settlers from northern Europe, proclaiming that the Lord gave them the land.
The power of mythology continues to wreak havoc, from Hagee's Cornerstone church in Texas to the middle east to Pakistan. Abraham of Iraq, where are you?
I know you are all the same people, same everything and the Lord gave you the land. I've got over it
To most Jews It has little to do with the Lord, but with historical facts. History has this land as the only land that Jews called their own, for at least 1100 years. )To religious Jews it's indeed the Lord's command , as stated in the Torah. (And also in the Quran. Check e.g. Sura 5:21.) In any event, Jews claim only this little piece of land, while Muslims claim the entire world.
Ok nothing to do with the Lord, but stated in the Torah ( for the religious Jews ).
All I say ( I know it's rubbish to you, so you don't have to tell me ) is that of course there were Jews in the middle east before Christians and Muslims; it's older than both, but no religious grouping in the world can claim to be one race or one ethnicity or point to one single piece of land as the origin of every single one of it's followers/adherents.
The predominant position on the origins of man are in the Rift Valley, I am not sure if that would be sufficient for me to have any claim on the valley in east Africa.
In the present climate of another push for war, I was pleasantly surprised to read in a book byDirector of the British Museum, Neil Macgregor " A history of the world in 100 objects, Page169, where he says the Persian Emperor Cyrus's most famous beneficiaries, after the conquest of Babylon, were the Jews and in the Hebrew scriptures he is hailed as a "divinely inspired benefactor and hero"
Unlike Islam Judaism allows criticism and diversity of opinion. Sand and his band have their views, that are the views of a very small minority. There were always anti Jewish Jews among Jews, and they're modern refection of that sorry phenomenon. Most Jews regard them as traitors to their own people. In any event, they don't carry much water and even less weight. The fact itself that the worst enemies of the Jewish people gleefully cite them is proof of their irrelevance to their own people. If they were Muslims saying similar things about Islam, you'd have decapitated them. We just nod in pity and shame.
Romney vs. Frankenstein (Obama)
Put simply, better the devil you don't know. Vote Romney.