May 16th, 2012
02:58 PM ET

G8 and NATO-athon, with Pakistan at the table

Editor's note: Peter Bergen is CNN's national security analyst and the author of "Manhunt: The Ten-Year Search for bin Laden, from 9/11 to Abbottabad."

It's the diplomatic equivalent of hosting both the World Cup and the World Series in the same country on the same weekend.

On Saturday President Obama welcomes the leaders of the world's most powerful countries to the G8 conference at his country retreat at Camp David in Maryland. And the next day he hosts some two dozen NATO heads of state in Chicago.

The challenges of this Diplopaloozaa include some complicated logistics: How do you get eight world leaders and their delegations comfortably situated in the rustic wood chalets that make up Camp David, and which has never hosted this many heads of state before?

Read more from Peter Bergen about the challenges, the Syria question and the last-minute guest at the NATO summit: Pakistan.

Topics: NATO • Pakistan • President Obama

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  1. krm1007

    PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.
    With a population of over 180 million most of whom are well educated, English speaking, entrepreneurial and a cultural and social fit with Central Asians...Pakistan will now become the new face and gateway to Central Asia and Europe. Pakistan will thus span this region and provide the impetus for growth, prosperity and unity among these countries. These are new and exciting times for Pakistanis who should now look forward to their new leadership role aligned with Central Asia and Europe rather than the Subcontinent. We wish them much success as they have sacrificed the most during the past 30 + years creating a new world order.

    May 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Reply
    • Bob Shaw

      Sacrifice? Pakistanis sacrifice Red Cross workers by beheading them and offering their severed head to appease their Allah.

      May 16, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Reply
    • M918273

      And this morning, Pakistani terrorists threatened the US and several other Western Embassies in Islamabad by sending them some kind of "black powder" (Pakistani terrorists claimed that it is Anthrax). Everyday Pakistanis try their best to do harm to others.

      May 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm | Reply
      • krm1007

        WE SALUTE YOU, PAKISTAN......The Americans acknowledge the innumerable sacrifices made by Pakistanis in this ongoing war. The Americans appreciate the bullets taken on the chest by the Pakistanis in fighting the enemy. The Americans appreciate the ultimate sacrifices made by Pakistanis in sacrificing their lives while trying to make America and the world safe.

        May 16, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
      • M918273

        Saluting them for "poisoning" the NATO supplies? Are you one of those religious nuts who would even praise Pakistani suicide bombers but would hate all the Western embassies in Islamabad?

        May 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • JJ

      Only Pakistanis can salute themselves.

      May 17, 2012 at 8:08 am | Reply
      • krm1007

        Feel free to salute them also as an Indian. Just to remind you, the Chicago summit has invited Pakistan to salute them for their contributions, to introduce them as the new regional power and to recognize that no geo political solution in that region is plausible without their blessings.

        May 17, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • Patrick

      Pakistan adult literacy is low. In 1992 more than 36 percent of adults over fifteen were literate, compared with 21 percent in 1970. The rate of improvement is highlighted by the 50 percent literacy achieved among those aged fifteen to nineteen in 1990. School enrollment also increased, from 19 percent of those aged six to twenty-three in 1980 to 24 percent in 1990. However, by 1992 the population over twenty-five had a mean of only 1.9 years of schooling. This fact explains the minimal criteria for being considered literate: having the ability to both read and write (with understanding) a short, simple statement on everyday life.

      Relatively limited resources have been allocated to education, although there has been improvement in recent decades. In 1960 public expenditure on education was only 1.1 percent of the gross national product (GNP); by 1990 the figure had risen to 3.4 percent. This amount compared poorly with the 33.9 percent being spent on defense in 1993. In 1990 Pakistan was tied for fourth place in the world in its ratio of military expenditures to health and education expenditures. Although the government enlisted the assistance of various international donors in the education efforts outlined in its Seventh Five-Year Plan (1988-93), the results did not measure up to expectations.

      May 17, 2012 at 9:49 am | Reply
      • Patrick

        Women’s Education in Pakistan
        The situation is especially alarming in rural areas due to social and cultural obstacles. One of the most deplorable aspects is that in some places, particularly northern tribal areas, the education of girls is strictly prohibited on religious grounds. This is a gross misinterpretation of Islam, the dominant religion in Pakistan (96 per cent of the population), which like all religions urges men and women to acquire education. The situation is the most critical in NWFP and Baluchistan, where the female literacy rate stands between 3 per cent and 8 per cent. Some government organizations and non-governmental organizations have tried to open formal and informal schools in these areas, but the local landlords, even when they have little or nothing to do with religion or religious parties, oppose such measures, apparently out of fear that people who become literate will cease to follow them with blind faith. Unfortunately, the government has not so far taken any steps to promote literacy or girls= education in these areas. It is even reluctant to help NGOs or other small political or religious parties do the job, because in order to maintain control, it needs the support of these landlords and chieftains who, as members of the two major political parties, are regularly elected to the national assembly.

        May 17, 2012 at 11:48 am |
      • T-Bone Thakur

        The Multidimensional Poverty Index developed by Oxford University shows that India is far poorer than Africa not just in number but also in intensity.
        The new poverty measure shows that 8 states out of the 29 states in India have more poor people than 26 poorest African countries combined. The Multidimensional poverty index views poverty from several different angles instead of just GDP figures. India is crippled by so many problems. For example, India's population growth rate is increasing by the day putting pressure on the limited resources and leaving many Indians in absolute poverty. India is very poor in terms of education, in terms of economic improvement, infrastructure, heath care, etc.

        May 17, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
      • T-Bone Thakur

        It is over folks, in India. Unemployment is record high, inflation is out of control, rupee has collapsed, budget deficit has widened,, multinationals such as Delta Airlines, Dell Computers, GE and Microsoft are already shifting their call centers to Canada, FDI has almost halted. Nobody wants to do business there anymore as terrorism is shifting there in months to come and the country/politics are too big/corrupt/decentralized to be conducive to do business

        May 17, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
      • T-Bone Thakur

        Seems like the India is falling apart at the seams. First hundreds of sick left burning in a hospital fire, then hundreds dead drinking some hindu concoction and now India kicked out from the Chicago summit. Poverty is rampant, societal values have collapsed; inflation is in the clouds while the rupee is in the toilet. This economic and political model has failed. The moment US pulls out of Afghanistan, China will be all over India. I doubt India will survive 2012 as we know it and may have to revert back to its communist/socialist roots as a fragmented nation divided along ethnic lines as independent states.

        May 17, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • Nellore Venkataraman

      You have been posting the same message again and again 24/7.

      May 17, 2012 at 12:00 pm | Reply
      • Beefsteak Balaji

        Glad you noticed. I suppose some people like you take longer to comprehend. LOL !

        May 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
      • Patrick

        Sajjad Sialkoti, John Henry, T-Bone Thakur, Jeremy, Jim Black, Jeremy, MJ, KRM1007, Beefsteak Balaji,Peter Haas, James McDonald are all the same guy, soooooooooooooo whatever your name or personality disorder is today, how long is it going to take for you to comprehend that repeating something over and over again does not make it true.

        May 17, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • rk

      the only gateway pak is facing is the exit from world map....its encircled on all sides by india and it is crushed by US drone from above..it has no economy and survives on begging...hahahahha..now their pm is going to dance at nato meet with begging bowl in hand ..same nato that killed their pakis...

      May 17, 2012 at 12:18 pm | Reply
      • Sajjad Sialkoti

        Someone said it best...

        "India (land of the bankers to terrorists) is geographically, culturally and politically trapped, isolated and encircled. Now that it has been cut off from rest of Asia, the Indians (unfortunately) have nowhere to go but into the ocean. A look at a map conveys the inevitability of this scenario. For India to survive, it has no choice but to have excellent relations with Pakistan. This is a matter of time. The question is whether Pakistan has a big heart to accommodate the very survival of India/Hindu race. Perhaps not this time around. "

        May 17, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
      • Patrick

        Sajjad Sialkoti
        "Someone said it best..."
        Someone??? that's your quote???

        May 17, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
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      May 18, 2012 at 5:58 am | Reply
  2. Marine5484

    No surprise here. After all, the West is subsidizing that bozo's country so why shouldn't he be at the table?

    May 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Reply
    • krm1007

      WE SALUTE YOU PAKISTAN !!!!!
      THANK YOU …. THANK YOU…. THANK YOU!!!!
      FOR MAKING USA SAFE FOR MAKING THE WORLD SAFE>>>>>>>>>>>>
      Since Sep 11, 2001, 21,672 Pakistani civilians have lost their lives or have been seriously injured in the war against terror.

      The Pakistani Army also has lost 2,795 soldiers while 8,671 soldiers have been wounded. More than 3.5 million have been displaced while the country has lost $68 billion due to terrorism.

      Despite sacrifices, Pakistan was still engaged in 'the war for world peace”.

      'CAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY DO SO? ONLY PAKISTAN.'

      May 16, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Reply
      • Mike Mason

        What are you thanking them for? Pakistan hid Bin Laden... Isn't Pakistan an Islamist country beheading our Red Cross workers who are trying to help them? Aren't Pakistanis burning churches and killing Christians in Pakistan? Pakistan is a terrible sponsor of terrorism. What are you smoking?

        May 16, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
      • krm1007

        @Mike Mason. We have been in a state of war for over 10 years now. The longest war in the history of mankind. Bad things do happen in a war but your citations are based on inaccurate information and appear mischievous and disingenuous. Yes there are extremist factions in India who bulldoze mosques down and murder muslims and jews, elements in USA who burn the quran and kill sikhs and desecrate mosques, but that does not imply that the whole nation are zealots. The way to fight this war on terror is for moderate elements to unite and deal with the extremists in collaborative manner both in thoughts and actions. Yes, this will take time.

        May 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
  3. krm1007

    Pakistan “RISING” has established itself as part of a very dynamic regional paradigm amalgamating it geographically with Central Asia, Middle East and Europe. While also situated at the gateway to the Arabian Gulf, Pakistan will also have access to the waters of the Caspian Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Black Sea, Arabian Sea, China Sea and the Pacific Ocean. This positions Pakistan at the crossroads to peace and prosperity in the world and economic well-being as well as military clout.

    May 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • Duane Morrison

      You mean uprising? The terrorist uprising in Pakistan by those stone age fanatics will be taken care of with the new technology such as the drones. Don't worry about the uprising by those terrorists. They will be crushed since they have no chance against the US military hardware.

      May 16, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Reply
      • krm1007

        Dinesh please don't hide behind american skirts. Come out in the open as an Indian hindu element propagating hate. What has 1.5 million Indian army done for americans in this war on terror except hide in trenches? They even could not protect their rear ends when a few taliban teenagers took India hostage. So there is no need to be jealous with Pakistan but accept it as the new leader in the region.

        May 16, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
  4. j. von hettlingen

    Initially Pakistan pressed for a formal apology for the killing of 24 Pakistani soldiers during an air raid last year on the Afghan border posts located in Mohmand Agency. After long negotiations Pakistan then accepted a deal. Now the Nato-coalition is expected to pay Pakistan a fee of $1,500 to $1,800 for every truck carrying supplies through the country. The bill is estimated to go up to $1 million per day.

    May 16, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Reply
    • j. von hettlingen

      It was also uncertain if Pakistan would attend the Nato Summit in Chicago. The re-opening of the supply route was the issue of contention. Only today the U.S. and Pakistan reached an agreement. Many in Pakistan are relieved as they make a living out of this transport route.

      May 16, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Reply
      • mimi jacques

        If you read en,rian.ru/trend/nato_transit_base_ulyanovsk_2012/ The birthplace of Vladimir Lenin and NATO wanted to have a base there-nyet,nyet- same in Uzbekistan.The only route for NATO/ISAF is through Pakistan and Secr.Gen/NATO Rasmussen at US behest invited Pakis to attend the Chicago conference; also Pakistani spec.ops are partaking in Eager Lion 2012 spec.ops war games in Jordan (US-led 17 countries;12000 spec.ops forces )at the Syrian border. Now NATO has a transit route.

        May 16, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
      • j. von hettlingen

        Forgot to mention, it was a mistake that NATO oversaw the advantage of involving China and Russia to share the bill of maintaining the Afghan forces.. Both countries would benefit from a stable Afghanistan. There would be an smaller influx of heroin into Russia and less insurgent activities on China's western borders.

        May 17, 2012 at 3:36 am |
    • Pete Blum

      NATO supply routes will be re-opened without meeting any of the Pakistani demands:
      (1) No apology was given by the US to Pakistan for euthanizing those 24 goons shooting at our helicopters
      (2) Drone strikes will not be stopped
      Pakistan will re-open the NATO supply routes in exchange only to get invited to the NATO conference.

      May 16, 2012 at 4:54 pm | Reply
      • krm1007

        From what I heard from Penatgon and State Dept, the Pakistanis have opened up their heart and soul to enable allies to achieve common goals in Afghanistan. Of course, there will not be unanimity of views in all matters. But what was surprising was the mention by american officials that despite having an army of 1.5 million (god knows doing what) India did not volunteer even one soldier to stand by their US and NATO allies. Apparently, the reason given was that the Indian army was too petrified to fight the talibans.

        May 16, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
      • krm1007

        Thank you for asking the question. That is exactly my point and thesis that I have been publishing for years. Pakistan has emerged as an integral part of the "NEW SILK ROUTE" from China, to Central Asia, Afghanistan, Middle east and Europe. Pakistan has also been encouraging India to be part of this new world order and has opened up its borders and given it MFN status. So trade/transit/multi and transmodal transportation is part and parcel of this new paradigm of business. Please read below which has been published here for your reading convenience. Cheers!

        PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.
        With a population of over 180 million most of whom are well educated, English speaking, entrepreneurial and a cultural and social fit with Central Asians...Pakistan will now become the new face and gateway to Central Asia and Europe. Pakistan will thus span this region and provide the impetus for growth, prosperity and unity among these countries. These are new and exciting times for Pakistanis who should now look forward to their new leadership role aligned with Central Asia and Europe rather than the Subcontinent. We wish them much success as they have sacrificed the most during the past 30 + years creating a new world order.

        May 16, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  5. krm1007

    Across all religions and cultures it is a basic tenet of human decency that human lives are valued and apologies are offered to the aggrieved by those responsible for the deaths. It nothing more, the words of apology are soothing to the famillies of those who died. In this case, Pakistan's contention is that Afghan forces and Indian intelligence deliberately provided misleading information to US/NATO forces and used them to kill 24 Pakistani para military soldiers.

    May 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Reply
    • Joe1984

      When you shoot at us, we will respond in kind - that is called self defense. No apologies for self defense. If you got your behind kicked, too bad. Learn your lesson and never shoot at us next time. Have a nice day.

      May 16, 2012 at 5:45 pm | Reply
      • krm1007

        Who is us? Please identify yourself. What is the 1.5 Indian army doing hiding in trenches scared from fighting the talibans. Hmmm....

        May 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Texas999

      So stop attacking the US soldiers. And stop whining when you lose.

      May 16, 2012 at 5:50 pm | Reply
      • krm1007

        Another Indian too scared to identify self. LOL....Afghanistan is in a state of invasion for Pete's sake !!!! Again, the 50 million dollar question is what is the 1.5 million Indian army doing hiding in trenches? LMAO...why are they so scared of fighting the talibans and helping the allies out.

        May 16, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  6. krm1007

    Due to the prevailing political climate in USA the apology appears to be forthcoming after preventive measures are put in place to minimize political outfall, polls are conducted to gage the effect and a face saving exit from Afghanistan has been figured out. It is a matter of time. Meantime, it will be a gesture of utmost magnanimity and generosity by Pakistan to continue to enable friends and allies to achieve common goals by offering their resources and stand with them shoulder to shoulder. This is what separates men from boys.

    May 16, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • Steve Johannesmeyer

      What? Pakistan never apologized for Daniel Pearl. Pakistan never apologized for Bin Laden. Pakistan never apologized for harboring the 911 mastermind Khalid Sheek Mohamed. Pakistan has a lot of apologizing to do. Obama has apologized to the almost everyone in the world; however, even apologizer-in-Chief Obama would never apologize to Pakistan.

      May 16, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Reply
      • krm1007

        Steve, I stand by my comments which are self explanatory. Suffice to repeat that an apology will be forthcoming soon....read my lips....stay tuned. Unfortunately, you are mixing bananas with guavas. What you mention were not state sponsored events as the massacre of 24 soldiers.

        I can assure you that the gentleman you mention will never be able to be reelected without an apology. Amercians are at heart decent people and abhor such cannibalistic tendences in their leaders. Furthermore, one has to lead by example and the world will never accept leadership without morals. Take that to the bank.

        May 16, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Reasonable1

      @krm1007 There are no common goals here. America wants terrorism destroyed whereas Pakistan wants to kill Americans just because they are infidels and support terrorists like Bin Laden. This is what separates men from terrorists.

      May 16, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Reply
      • krm1007

        The common goals are defeating extremists in all forms. Whether Shiv Sena Hindu extremists in India or Al Qaeda soon to form a joint venture. Terrorist and men are not mutually excluisve so that voids your point. Revist your post and come again. Pakistan and Americans have been allies since when India was in communist skins. So don't to put a divide between them which is typical hindu baniya method. Now scoot and go have your daal and go to bed. Wake up tomorrow to carry your tiffins. Git.

        May 16, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
  7. krm1007

    Pakistan is riding the wave to regional dominance….a phenomenon that is best described by Shakespeare as follows::::

    There is a tide in the affairs of men.
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
    On such a full sea are we now afloat,
    And we must take the current when it serves,
    Or lose our ventures.

    May 16, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Reply
  8. Steve Johannesmeyer

    @krm1007 Not sure what is the basis of your comments. Pakistan has never apologized for basic moral issues such as acid throwing, oppression of women and minorities, terrible human rights violations even under immense pressure from the UN. Pakistan does not have much credit with the UN on moral grounds... No country in the world has sympathized with Pakistan's complain for the loss of those soldiers. And UN never raised an issue about it either. So, why would Obama ever apologize to Pakistan? Obama's re-election has no connection with this apology and it will never come.

    May 16, 2012 at 6:47 pm | Reply
    • Manchester U

      The Pakistan government throws acid on people?

      May 17, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
      • Neko

        The Effort to End Acid Violence.
        If women in Bangladesh, India and Cambodia don’t do as their told, and deviate from their “expected behaviours”, they risk being attacked with acid. (Though don’t be fooled that it can’t happen elsewhere too.) The physical and health ramifications of these attacks are boundless. These women often lose their jobs, their homes (because they lose the “support” of their spouses), and fade into exclusion and poverty. While these crimes might not, apparently, be as entrenched as honour killings or public stonings, they’re still as problematic.

        May 17, 2012 at 11:04 am |
      • krm1007

        In India, millions of girls are strangled, slowly starved or simply tossed in the trash. Moreover, in India, at least 1,370 girls are aborted every day. As a comparison, some 250 Indians die every day in road accidents. Terrorists killed about six people, on an average, every day in 2009. In the last two decades of economic progress, 10 million girls have died as such in India.
        SHAME ON INDIA AND ITS BARBARIC AND MEDIEVAL CULTURE !!!
        Indians have killed more human beings (girls particularly) than Al Qaeda and Talibans put together.

        May 17, 2012 at 11:23 am |
  9. 100% ETHIO STRONGER!

    ..., that is it!
    No more bow!
    Meet them in the Weekend, kick them out on Weekdays.
    At least, it will put them on back to work, to avoid recessions.

    America must show its Superiority, clearly like this.
    We don't want waste our time and Money and we do the same to others. This is a good example for those who left behind and suffered recessions, by wasting time and Money.

    Recession = wasted Time and Money.

    Get back to work, for Weekdays. Stop wasting Money for Hotels and food and stop wasting Time at Camp David, while your own Country have more unsolved problems. Go back, after Weekend!

    May 16, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Reply
  10. krm1007

    @Steve Johanannesmeyer aka Surjeet Jaswant.....Pakistan does not need sympathies like India. What should be clear to you and others is that the world order has changed. If you are with me so far...then let me take you to the next step. In this new order Pakistan has emerged as the new regional power. the era of billion + populated countries is long gone. These have to be split up into independent states which is key to survival of the western nations in terms of economic demand etc. Similar to what we did to USSR. India is on top of list as a failed model. So its implosion is imminent and already the army is being primed for mutiny and coup de etat. What is now emerging is a paradigm that empowers smaller countries the size of Pakistan to take over the leadership role. That is what is happening in Chicago. Wake up, please and try to understand what is going on. I am trying to help you here but cannot make it any simpler for you. I know it is a shock for you but better hear it from me first before you start experiencing it on the srteets of new Delhi

    May 16, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Reply
  11. 100% ETHIO STRONGER!

    It may s
    ound troublesome, but it might be real, when the time comes.
    You might wonder, when this kind of meeting occur, the boosting of secret Agents of U.S, Russia and China are scrambling around. Others, they seen them as real entertainments. They focused more on them than the actual meetings.
    See them, if you can...
    ==

    Since 1905, Russia proposed to built TransSiberia rail road tunnels, to connect Alaska with Siberia. That was by Czar Nicholas. But now, Russian born U.S Citizen, Fyodor Soloview, wants to connect Three Countries, just only by 10,000 KMS. U.S, Russia and England. There are Two gorgeous Islands on the passage.

    However, we don't know yet, whether the result will be political or economical.
    It is very Eye-opening issue. Because, President Putin has proposed to move the Russian Capital into Siberia from Moscow.

    May 16, 2012 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  12. krm1007

    Smart move by President Zardari to accept the invite to Chicago summit and to address the world leaders on Pakistan's vision for the region. Great start to this new leadership role.

    May 17, 2012 at 8:22 am | Reply
    • Patrick-2

      I see that this Zardari got paid off bigtime, krm1007. Now he's going to let the NATO forces ship supplies through his country plus allow those godless drone strikes to continue, killing many innocent people! I guess that some people will do almost anything if the price is right!

      May 17, 2012 at 8:36 am | Reply
      • Joseph McCarthy

        Well stated, Patrick. How true that rings!

        May 17, 2012 at 8:39 am |
      • T-Bone Thakur

        Patrick -2 or shall I call you Pradeep-1? Child, don't be shy of being recognized as an Indian.You got your math mixed up. Estimates of monies spent by Pakistan on fighting this war on terror for the americans ranges from US $ 500 – 750 Billion. The world can't pay them enough for the civilian and military lives lost north of 100,000 ! One of the biggest beneficiaries has been India. Guess where the Indian army has been all this time? Hiding in the trenches scared of talibans. So, yes we can all put a price but can we pay the Pakistanis enough, ever? In my opinion, NO.

        May 17, 2012 at 9:29 am |
      • John Henry

        T-Bone Thakur, your point is well taken and you make a lot of sense. I could not have expressed it better. Perhaps the US and World bank can float 9/11 Bonds to pay back Pakistan. India and other beneficiaries can co-sign the debentures. Readers may have other ideas on financial instruments we can use to pay back this debt.

        May 17, 2012 at 9:34 am |
  13. Sajjad Sialkoti

    I wonder why India was not invited to the Summit in Chicago,,,they are the biggest beneficiaries of the war on terror. It would have been nice to pick their pockets. On the other hand, making Indians spend money is like sucking blood from a rock. I answered my own question...didn't I?

    May 17, 2012 at 9:43 am | Reply
    • Jeremy

      Yes you did. But you raise an interesting point. Since the cold war ended US has expended tremendous efforts propping up India. Unfortunately, the efforts have failed. The goal was to use India against China for dirty work plus unleash economic demand for american goods. The officials at Pentagon and State Dept have now concluded that the sum of smaller India is greater than the whole. In other words, India broken up into smaller pieces like USSR will be more beneficial for US and the western world than an unmanageable India as exists today. So coinciding with the pullout from Afghanistan will be breakup of India into smaller independent states that are more manageable and economically viable. It will also help in the alleviation of poverty of the masses.

      May 17, 2012 at 2:14 pm | Reply
  14. Jim Black

    Guys my sense is that the price for settling the Afghanistan issue is the solution of the Indian Occupied Kashmir problem. That is the price India will need to pay. India has been given an opportunity to save face and not have to explain to the participants in Chicago and be humiliated. The deal has been cut and settlement of Kashmir appears imminent.

    May 17, 2012 at 9:55 am | Reply
    • Jeremy

      Agreed

      May 17, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  15. Neko

    Despite cosmetic policy changes and some tokenism – including formal bans on a number of terrorist organisations – many prominent Islamist terrorist organisations continue to operate with a high measure of freedom in and from Pakistan.

    May 17, 2012 at 10:24 am | Reply
    • MJ

      Yeah no different than Shiv Sena the hindu extremist terror organization with links to Norway massacre, Maoists etc.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:39 am | Reply
      • Neko

        I think right-wing and nationalist are only labels that outsiders (and some times the Shiv Sena itself) apply to the party. The reality is that it is a political party that is focussed on obtaining power. The Hindutva label helps distinguish it from the other secular parties. To a certain extent the Shiv Sainiks tend to believe in their own anti-Islamic rant but when it comes to brass-tacks it does not prevent them from aligning with Muslims. In 2011 the Shiv Sena floated the Muslim Mahasangh in a district outside Mumbai. It was politically expedient to do so.

        May 17, 2012 at 10:52 am |
      • MJ

        Ku Klux Klan (KKK) label to Shiv Sena, with international reach and with potential to harm american interest seems more appropriate.

        May 17, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • MJ

      As you will recall, Shiv Sena and Maoists etc are all based out of India which is now becoming the nucleus of such terror organizations

      May 17, 2012 at 10:40 am | Reply
      • Neko

        The Shiv Sena was formed by a fire-brand political cartoonist Bal Thackeray in the mid 1960s. It came to prominence on its 'sons-of-the-soil' policy. They believed that 'outsiders', in those days people from the South of India, were taking away opportunities of the Marathi Manoos (people from Maharashtra). The agitation gained momentum since it built on the nascent hatred and anxieties of people in Maharashtra; a parallel is Hitlers rant against the Jews in Germany circa 1930.

        May 17, 2012 at 10:54 am |
      • MJ

        Shiv Sena syndrome appears more like the Ku Klux Klan movement in USA with international reach.

        May 17, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • MJ

      NEW YORK: Renowned Indian activist and novelist Arundhati Roy has decried the silence of the international community over the continued “brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir” and said Kashmiris should be given the right to self-determination……
      She said so little was known about the atrocities being committed by more than half a million Indian troops, the continuing repression and indignities let loose on Kashmiri men, women and children.
      More than 700,000 troops were concentrated in the tiny valley, with checkpoints at every nook and corner of Kashmiri towns and cities. The huge Indian presence, she added, was in sharp contrast with 160,000 US troops in Iraq.
      Ms Roy alleged that Indian army or security personnel were killing young children, adding that Kashmiris were not radical Islamists or jihadists as India portrayed them. She deplored the Indian government’s attempts to demonise Kashmiris who were moderate Muslims.

      May 17, 2012 at 11:00 am | Reply
  16. Neko

    Many experts say it is difficult to determine how many terrorist groups are operating out of Pakistan. Most of these groups have tended to fall into one of the five distinct categories laid out by Ashley J. Tellis, a senior associate at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
     Sectarian: Groups such as the Sunni Sipah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, and the Shia Tehrik-e-Jafria, which are engaged in violence within Pakistan;
     Anti-Indian: Terrorist groups that operate with the alleged support of the Pakistani military and the intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), such as the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM), and the Harakat ul-Mujahadeen (HuM). This Backgrounder profiles these organizations, which have been active in Kashmir;
     Afghan Taliban: The original Taliban movement and especially its Kandahari leadership centered around Mullah Mohammad Omar, believed to be now living in Quetta;
     Al-Qaeda and its affiliates: The organization led by Osama bin Laden and other non-South Asian terrorists believed to be ensconced in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). Rohan Gunaratna of the International Centre for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore says other foreign militant groups such as the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Islamic Jihad group, the Libyan Islamic Fighters Group and the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement are also located in FATA;
     The Pakistani Taliban: Groups consisting of extremist outfits in the FATA, led by individuals such as Hakimullah Mehsud, of the Mehsud tribe in South Waziristan, Maulana Faqir Muhammad of Bajaur, and Maulana Qazi Fazlullah of the Tehrik-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM).

    May 17, 2012 at 10:38 am | Reply
    • MJ

      No to forget that terrorists Brahamadagh Bugti , Maulvi Fazlullah and many others are being harbored by India in New Delhi and their organizations which are factions of talibans are being financed by Indian and their intelligence agencies known as RAW. It is common knowledge that India has set up terrorist training camps in Afghanistan from where suicide bombers are being trained and sent into Pakistan to murder women and children. Some of these suicide bombers are teenagers who belong to poverty stricken families who are paid a few dollars. These kids are being brainwashed by Indians and their Afghan cohorts to perform such dastardly deeds.

      May 17, 2012 at 10:48 am | Reply
  17. MJ

    NEW YORK: Renowned Indian activist and novelist Arundhati Roy has decried the silence of the international community over the continued “brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir” and said Kashmiris should be given the right to self-determination.
    “Kashmir is one of the most protracted and bloody occupations in the world — and one of the most ignored,” she told a large audience at the Asia Society during a discussion on “Kashmir — a case for freedom”.
    Under the Indian military rule in Kashmir, Ms Roy said, freedom of speech was non-existent and human rights abuses were routine. Elections were rigged and the press controlled.
    She said the lives of Kashmiris were made miserable by gun-totting security personnel who harassed and terrorised people with impunity, adding that disappearances were almost a daily occurrence as also kidnapping, arrests, fake encounters and torture. Mass graves have been discovered and the conscience of the world remains unstirred……
    The apathy towards Kashmir, especially in the western world, Ms Roy said, was because of their pursuit of commercial interests in India where they were more eager to “sell their goods than human rights”……..

    The good news is that the solution to Indian Occupied Kashmir appears to be imminent as quid pro quo for Afghanistan stability and face saving exit by USA and NATO from Kabul. It is pay back time for India who has tortured these poor Kashmiris for centuries and committed genocide over there. When the dust is settled trials are expected to commence to indict those Indians responsible for this genocide.

    May 17, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
  18. krm1007

    Folks, with due respects to all naysayers on this forum, this is a time to celebrate. The ascension of Pakistan to a regional power player role. No other country in this world has contributed so much as Pakistan in making this world safer, Americans safer, Europeans safer. Not to mention the neighboring countries. This is inspite of some rogue external elements financing reverse terrorism and exporting to Pakistan. So the Chicago summit is a time to thank our partners and allies, Pakistan, and to formally introduce them to the world community as the new regional power in South Asia. Where others have failed, Pakistan will succeed. Where others have given up, Pakistan will persevere. Where others have taken the neighbors down, Pakistan will ensure that all rise with the surging tide of prosperity. We welcome this change of guards and wish our partner Pakistan god speed.

    May 17, 2012 at 11:54 am | Reply
    • rk

      the only gateway pak is facing is the exit from world map....its encircled on all sides by india and it is crushed by US drone from above..it has no economy and survives on begging...hahahahha..now their pm is going to dance at nato meet with begging bowl in hand ..same nato that killed their pakis

      May 17, 2012 at 12:19 pm | Reply
      • Beefsteak Balaji

        One can understand the Indian frustration and jealousy at being snubbed from this summit. I sympathize with you bro.

        May 17, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
  19. rk

    paki pm has a special beggars table set up for him......paki pm packing his begging bowl and dance gear..he will be dancing before US and nato with begging bowl in hand...

    May 17, 2012 at 12:24 pm | Reply
    • Beefsteak Balaji

      Supposedly Mamnohan Singh will drop by after the summit to cleanup the toilets

      May 17, 2012 at 1:12 pm | Reply
  20. krm1007

    The Pakistani President will be delivering a speech at the Chicago summit. He will lay forth Pakistan's vision for the region beyond 2014 as the new military and economic power n the region. It is speculated he will lay define the ground rules for India's new role patrolling the pirates and incubating the growth of Bengal and Nepal. He is expected to highlight the need to demilitarize India of the 1.5 million army which is spending most time sitting in trenches fiddling with themselves or bullying the neighbors. He will conclude with the need to unite the new region stretching from Pakistan to Central Asia, Middle East and Europe and the potential of unleashing economic prosperity and peace the likes of which have never been seen before. We wish our Pakistani partners well and pray for their success in leading the new world order in that region.

    May 17, 2012 at 1:36 pm | Reply
  21. Vijay_India

    I can't help but pity krm1007. When one's country is in dire straits almost about to be wiped of mother Earth people do get insanely emotional and make an desperate attempt to deny reality and become wishful thinkers. This is exactly the kind of situation Mr/Mrs/Whatever (you are krm10070) are in. Open your eyes look at your country- Major portion of which is completely lawless, rest of it is struggling to get out the clutches of your home grown dear Devil whom you affectionately call "Taliban". So the notion of Pak fighting against Taliban for America and the World is laughable. Please get over it. This is a perfect joke for Jay Leno's late night show. Almost every day you have explosions almost every where within the country, your own army was taken by complete surprise and was ashamed when America picked up Osama under their very noses. You have been played for all these years by everyone else and its been many decades but you have not realized what an absolute naive and stupid country yours is. I can only say you need to help yourself and focus more on development of your people rather than pour huge amounts of money on manufacturing terrorism other wise you will always be the Old man/woman/whatever(you are) with the begging bowl. Shabba Khair!!

    May 17, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Reply
    • Jim Black

      You should be ashamed of yourself as an Indian. Backstabbing your friends in Iran (ie Americans). Double dealing and pulling the rug from under them...is this your hindu culture? Is this your hindu values? Pathetic. Shame on you. Pakistan is our partner our ally. They have sacrificed more than any other country. What has India done? NADA. Except for begging Americans for more financial aid, jobs, call centers, technology, gimme gimme gimme ...what have you sacrificed in Afghanistan? Again, nothing ! Your soldiers are sitting in bunkers scared of talibans. Give me a break. You have been financing terrorists who are killing US and NATO and Pakistani soldiers. You are harboring terrorists in India. Your army helicopters are transporting them. India's baloon has burst. Economy is in shambles, stock market has collapsed, value of ruppee has tumbled, poverty is on the rise, call centers are shutting down, democracy has failed. India is about to implode. So look in the mirror at the ugliness before you throw stones at others. Who are you kidding?

      Yes, we have invited pakistan to the Chicago summit. yes we want them to deliver the keynote speech. Yes they are the new regional power that India will have to bow to and follow them. Now go have a steak (if you can afford one) and chill out. Then call the Pakistanis and see if they will send you the next meal. Now scamper. Pronto.

      May 17, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Reply
      • aaa

        Jim Paki!!!

        May 17, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
      • Vijay_India

        Its funny. This lone Pakistani is so desperate that he is posting messages in disguise – sometimes under an American/English name and other times as a patriotic Paki. Keep it up dude. Your stone age future is assured.

        May 17, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
      • bbb

        @ aaa and Vijay ji. Don't you peepel hav anee life? Have some daal and roti with some gunda and chill.

        May 17, 2012 at 8:57 pm |
  22. Peter Haas

    It is about time we recognized Pakistan for their sacrifices in fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan shoulder to shoulder with the allies. Welcome to Chicago. Thank you much Pakistan

    May 17, 2012 at 4:02 pm | Reply
    • James McDonald

      Amen to that Peter. We love you Pakistan.

      May 17, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Reply
      • aaa

        The level of paki delusion!!!OMG!!!

        May 17, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
      • krm1007

        Sir aaa you need to get over your obsession with Pakistan and get on with the program. Savy? Pakistan is our ally a member of NATO.

        May 17, 2012 at 8:53 pm |
  23. Narayan from N.J.

    Hey people, does anyone has latest news whether India has been invited also as an after thought? I heard the prime minister singh called up Obama and complained that it was insulting that India has not been invited.

    May 17, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Reply
    • aaa

      Poor paki's cannot comprehend the state their country is in. So started scribbling their delusional dreams in indian/american names. Keep doing this. The world is watching you people.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:01 pm | Reply
      • krm1007

        Fellow baniya you need to get off your high horse and digest the fact that India has been booted out from having a place at the Chicago table. Don't you have any self respect. Hare ram hare krishna dum maro dum

        May 17, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
  24. Balmohan_Mumbai

    Well India is so busy patrolling the pirates in Somalia they don't have time to attend anyway. I would love to have some free Hors d'oeuvres though. Wonder if they send it to pm house in new delhi.

    May 17, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Reply
  25. HKCh

    All the Americans reading this comment pay attention to one fact here: What James Holmes did was a charity gift to the American society??? Nooo! His action and actions of all other American nationals killing their own people around are as definite acts of terrorism as of a terrorist. The American society is now becoming the world's top most heavily weapon-owing society,you create and promote viiolance through your media and movies. One fresh example is the Colorado shooting. They talk about Pakistan and terrorism while they have closed their eyes from the very fact that they themselve are promoting terrorism at home abd abroad. Who is responsible for the killings of innocent Pakistani citizens on Afghan border areas??? Of course the American people. They pay the taxes to White House to build advance technological weapons to kill those who cant defend themselves! Shame on you people!!!

    July 24, 2012 at 10:42 am | Reply
  26. HKCh

    And hey Vijay_India dude: Go home, take a deep breath and if got time visit your south part and Calcuta regions, when i got back to Pakistan after visiting these places i felt so lucky to be a citizen of a country where i do not have to see majority of my countrymates sleeping and rotting on footpaths with sheeps and dogs. You talk about stone-age...hmmmmmmm!!! I will send you few pics of Indian beds in wild wild east India....Ayyye!

    July 24, 2012 at 10:50 am | Reply
  27. Hammad.K.Ch

    Days of America for being America-the-super-power are over!

    July 24, 2012 at 10:56 am | Reply
  28. Hammad.K.Ch

    And days of India for being India-the-miserable sitnky with its ugly faces and stinky streets are far to over!

    July 24, 2012 at 10:57 am | Reply

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