'Reality check' for Iran nuclear talks
Iran demands the right to a nuclear program, including enrichment. But that is unacceptable to Israel, says Geneive Abdo.
May 21st, 2012
03:13 PM ET

'Reality check' for Iran nuclear talks

Editor’s note: Geneive Abdo is director of the Iran program at the Middle East Institute in Washington. The views in this article are solely those of Geneive Abdo.

By Geneive Abdo — Special to CNN

Iran is set for nuclear talks Wednesday with members of the U.N. Security Council, and the Obama administration, as well as some Iranian and European Union officials, expressed optimism that a compromise will be reached.

But it is useful to examine Israel’s long-term objectives for a bit of a reality check.

During a recent trip to Israel, where I met government officials, one issue became clear: for many in the Israeli government, Iran has already crossed the red line. Unless Iran halts all enrichment and dismantles its nuclear program, the diplomatic process is irrelevant to many Israeli officials.

The Israelis are not willing to wait for Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to make the political decision to move toward developing a nuclear weapon; by then, it is too late. This is a major point of difference between Israel and the United States and the European Union — one which the nuclear talks will not resolve. The Americans and Europeans are trying to buy time by stating repeatedly that Khamenei has not yet made the decision to develop a nuclear bomb. But this is of no comfort to the Israelis.

According to a report Saturday in the New York Times, Obama administration officials said the P5+1 — the five permanent members of the Security Council plus Germany — were prepared to offer a deal to the Iranians that would include easing restrictions on the sale of technology, such as airplane parts and assistance to Iran’s energy complex.

Even if Iran were to accept such a deal, it is highly unlikely the regime would make concessions in turn to meet Israeli demands.

Iran demands the right to a nuclear program, including enrichment. But the Israelis will accept only the long-standing P5+1 position of no enrichment. Even if, as former Iranian ambassador Hossein Mousavian suggests, that an offer be made to limit enrichment at 3.5% to 5%, this is not enough for Israel.

Iran also wants an end to sanctions. But the sanctions are the only measures that have pacified Israel. There is talk that the P5+1 might offer a deal that would involve pushing back the scheduled oil embargo on Iran, which is due to take effect July 1. This would only antagonize Israel.

Iran could agree to permit inspectors full surveillance of its centrifuges. But the Israelis have little or no trust in Iran and believe that while inspections might address the part of Iran’s nuclear program that is visible, they wouldn’t do much to monitor nuclear technology the Iranians may have hidden from the international community.

So why all the optimism? The P5+1 needs to buy time to avert a unilateral attack by Israel. And the Iranians need ongoing diplomacy to push back the oil embargo.

As the talks draw near, high-ranking Iranian officials have been making daily statements predicting the talks will be a great success. For once, it seems Iran and the West are on the same page.

The only negative statements have been made by Saeed Jalili, head of Iran's Supreme National Security Council and chief nuclear negotiator. Jalili mentioned Thursday that Iran considers using nuclear energy its right and will not budge from this position.

Iran’s development path is not reversible, he said, adding that any additional pressure on Iran will only result in further resistance and progress. In the long term, these statements are likely to more accurately reflect Iran’s position.

The Israeli clock has already run out. Whatever patience Israel is demonstrating is merely to respect President Obama’s wish to get through the November election without an incident.

But it is likely that after November, there will no longer be a pretense of optimism from any side.

The views in this article are solely those of Geneive Abdo.

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  1. hassani1387

    Funny how Abdo simply takes it for granted that Israel is actually feeling threatened by a nuclear weapon from Iran when in fact even the Israelis themselves have said that its not Iran's hypothetical nuclear weapons that threatens them as much as the prospects of the US and Iran getting along. If Israel is threatening to bomb Iran, then Israel is the problem and not Iran.

    May 21, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Reply
    • j. von hettlingen

      Also Netanyahu has formed a new coalition government with the Kadima Party. It's unclear if Netanyahu would get broad support in the Knesset. The Kadima Party was in the opposition and its leader, "Mofaz has an abundance of Knesset members but no voters", while "Netanyahu has abundance of voters", So it might be difficult for Netanyahu to embark on a military action against Iran unilaterally.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:24 pm | Reply
      • ✠ RZ ✠

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        May 21, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Israel will not use force against Iran unless as a last resort in case there will be no other way to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Of it happens, however, ALL Israelis will support defending of their country.

        May 22, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • David Mayle

      You seem to be forgetting that Iran has repeatedly supported the terrorists that launch rockets into Isreal from Gaza. You seem to be forgetting that Iran has denied the holocaust.
      You seem to be forgetting that Iran has stated “The Zionist regime is a cancerous tumor and it will be removed.” (Isreal).
      This latest threat was Reaffirmed on 02.03.2012. Maybe Isreal is tired of being attacked, maybe they are tired of trying to compromise.

      May 22, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Reply
      • Aguu33803

        David, I guess the Iranian Scientists have been committing Suicide! Israel had nothing to do with that huh?
        You also seem to be confusing the views of Ahmadinejad with views of Iran. It is also very well known that Israel supports MEK, a group on US terrorist group list.

        May 23, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
      • Arturo

        And you David, have obscured the fact that Israel used white phosphorus against women & children in the Gaza conflict.
        Am asking you, whether Israel, or, Palestinians, have killed more innocent women & children since Israel.s creation?
        Which country holds prisoners without charge in it's prisons, Israel, or the Palestinians?

        May 24, 2012 at 2:13 am |
      • Thinker23

        Aguu... As long as you can not PROVE otherwise Israel has nothing to do with the death of Iranian scientists. Further, use of phosphorous for smoke screening is perfectly legal during a war. Still further, as long as the Palestinians and their leaders are willing the war to continue it will continue and more Palestinians will be killed. When the number of dead Palestinians will satisfy those still alive they will ask for peace.

        May 24, 2012 at 5:27 am |
  2. Vin

    "The regime" has bluffed and bluffed about the Iranian nuclear bomb from the past twenty years. All countries of the world should take a cue from "the regime" on how to bluff and manage to get on with it. May be "the regime" should start a PHD course in their universities on bluffing. Qualification ? Dropouts from universities across the world. Experience: how many people they have managed to con. It will be a bumper success, with top brains from all over the world competing for a few seats on offer. The next bluff of "the regime" will naturally be "we decided not to strike Iran before the US elections. But we are clearly and firmly targeting the months of April to June 2013 when the color of the sky is orange/crimson, if the United States dosent act by then." Come June 2013, same story as June 2012. But the pot is still kept boiling with "Iran has crossed the red/grey/pink/violet line, all options are on the table."

    May 21, 2012 at 3:55 pm | Reply
    • Roscoe Chait

      Excellent comment. I'd take the course.

      May 22, 2012 at 10:59 am | Reply
    • jesse

      The real bluffing master is Israel who's engaged in slow & systematic erdication of an ethinc group of people.
      Israel is using Iran's excuse to avoid the 2-state solution & the roadmap to peace with the Pals.
      Vin, you're a walking propaganda machine, a real PAID pro!

      May 22, 2012 at 12:33 pm | Reply
      • Vin

        I too am saying exactly what you said in your post. Im not sure what yov'e understood about my post. Israel's bluffing for the past 20 years and warning of attack has really stood the test of time. Why dosent Israel attack Iran today ? Israel has the "bombs". Why fear ? Or is Israel and America are really afraid ? Bluff masters will never succeed in life, they get entangled in problems after problems. Probably that was the reason why Jews were in constant problems all throughout past 4500 years.

        May 22, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
      • wpqr99

        "Slow and systematic eradication of an ethnic people"? Since 1948, the Arab population in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank has gone from one million to five million. Israel must be doing a pretty lousy job of it.

        Concerning peace with the Palestinians, name me one concession the Palestinians have made for peace.

        May 22, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  3. Amir

    Israel can go and f..ck itself

    May 21, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Reply
    • Roscoe Chait

      That's not a very nice thing to say about the only democracy in the middle east and a beacon of hope, a tiny country with unlilmited potential, that is the most advanced in technology and medicine.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:01 am | Reply
      • Amir

        What a joke! Israel is as democratic as Apartheid Regime of SA

        May 22, 2012 at 11:32 am |
      • ceaz

        Amir i guess you are arab?... Why do you hate that Israel is democratic. Is it because you like Tyranny. I dont see Israelites killing or disfigure a women because you think man should rule. Is it because Ala is a Tyrant so call god. First preaches peace but as soon as it does't go alas way kill everyone. Hebrew dont force you to be Hebrew. Islam if you do not agree you die. My GOD can be in the Heavens and the hearth and anywhere at ones. Not a two face like ala.

        May 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
      • Amir

        Ceaz – I am not Arab or even Muslim or a believer in God! But I can see the facts clearly. Israel is consists of immigrants who think God promise them some lands. They also put the indigenous people of those lands in camps or force them to leave. Israel is clearly a racist country. You know about their immigration law, you know about the discrimination they impose over the population . I cannot call it a democratic state

        May 22, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Amir... Can you explain the reasons you believe the land of Palestine belongs to the Arabs? At least, the Jews have the divine promise in the Bible. What promise Arabs have? Further, can you NAME at least one camp Israel put the "indigeous people" in? As far as I know THERE ARE NO CAMPS IN ISRAEL. Not a single one. Still further, considering that Israel is the ONLY country in the Middle East where ALL citizens have the very same equal rights regardless of their race, ethnicity, religion or gender your claims saying that Israel is "racist" or "discriminating" are... well, not exactly true.

        May 22, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Amir… The Arabs were not the only people who lived on those lands. The Jews lived there as well… BUT the Jews DO NOT claim to be the ONLY owners of the land and they DO NOT demand the Arabs to be forced out.
        1- all Palestinian cities like Gaza are just camps under siege because siege is normal and expected during a war. If the Palestinians did not like the war they would ask for peace.
        2- People living in Israel (Palestinian ) who do not have Israel citizenship are either LEGAL residents of Israel or ILLEGAL ones. The former have the rights of legal residents while the latter have a right for an attorney. People of Gaza are not citizens of Israel, do not live in Israel and do not have any rights in Israel.
        3- Palestinian who forced to live in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, ... in camps have every right to complain about the governments of these Arab countries forcing them to live in camps for generations. Israel is not and can not be responsible for the actions of Arab governments.
        4-Regardless of what you "see" Israel is a multiparty secular democracy ruled by a SECULAR government in accordance with SECULAR laws issued by a democratically elected SECULAR Parliament. Claiming that SECULAR DEMOCRACY "is based on racial /religious definition" is just a big LIE.

        May 23, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • Albert Von Sachsen

      I throw a shoe at an ignorant peasant.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:35 pm | Reply
    • Amir

      Thinker .... Are you sick? they were living on those lands, they do not need any promise.
      1- all Palestinian cities like Gaza are just camps under siege.
      2- What about people living in Israel (Palestinian ) who does not have Israel citizenship? What about people of Gaza?
      3-What about all Palestinian who forced to live in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, ... in camps
      4-As far as I see Israel is based on racial /religious definition and saying that it is a democratic state is just a big LIE

      May 22, 2012 at 7:02 pm | Reply
      • Thinker23

        Amir… The Arabs were not the only people who lived on those lands. The Jews lived there as well… BUT the Jews DO NOT claim to be the ONLY owners of the land and they DO NOT demand the Arabs to be forced out.
        1- all Palestinian cities like Gaza are just camps under siege because siege is normal and expected during a war. If the Palestinians did not like the war they've started they would ask for peace.
        2- People living in Israel (Palestinian ) who do not have Israel citizenship are either LEGAL residents of Israel or ILLEGAL ones. The former have the rights of legal residents while the latter have a right for an attorney. People of Gaza are not citizens of Israel, do not live in Israel and do not have any rights in Israel.
        3- Palestinian who forced to live in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, ... in camps have every right to complain about the governments of these Arab countries forcing them to live in camps for generations. Israel is not and can not be responsible for the actions of Arab governments.
        4-Regardless of what you "see" Israel is a multiparty secular democracy ruled by a SECULAR government in accordance with SECULAR laws issued by a democratically elected SECULAR Parliament. Claiming that SECULAR DEMOCRACY "is based on racial /religious definition" is just a big LIE.

        May 23, 2012 at 7:42 am |
  4. Quigley

    Let's all hope that these talks turn out to be successfull. I am so sick and tired of all this warmongering and the politics of hunger which is so unfair to the Iranian people! South Africa already has an agreement with the U.N. so why can't Iran have a similar one, that is, to have nuclear power but not to build nuclear weapons.

    May 21, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Reply
    • Patrick-2

      Now that's one of the most sensible posts I've seen here yet. Thank you, Quigley.

      May 21, 2012 at 7:11 pm | Reply
    • Patrick

      Quigley, Patrick-2 is the same guy along with many other monikers on top of a serious personality disorder.

      May 22, 2012 at 6:14 am | Reply
      • Patrick-2

        That's funny Patrick, how anyone who doesn't share your right-wing, narrow-minded, Tea Party views either has some kind personality disorder or is an Islamic Jihadist. You how true that's not. We just happen to have open minds, that's all!

        May 22, 2012 at 10:55 am |
      • Patrick

        Patrick-2, George4 Patton, J. Foster Dulles, Joeph McCarthy, Marine 5484, Yacobi, Warren, Quigley, Vin, Willie12345 is the same a s s w i p e muslim who likes to raise s h i e t between parties whenever his personality disorders allow him.

        May 22, 2012 at 9:18 pm |
      • Patrick-2

        Good grief Patrick, you sound like some half-witted Tea Partier who never got past the 5th grade in school. You have yet to post a sensible comment on this web site! For your information, this George4 Patton you're talking about has most likely been censored already.

        May 23, 2012 at 9:07 am |
      • Patrick

        That is your only retort.
        Go back to your imam and ask him for another card to play.

        May 23, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Daniel

      Because they won't agree to certain restrictions or fully transparent monitoring. They have been offerred repeatedly to be sold the nuclear fuel rather than have the ability to create/enrich it themselves but they refuse. So... why do they keep refusing? If they are really just trying to get nuclear energy and medical research/uses then what's the problem? The problem is if they do want to use it for weapons they need to make it 'weapons grade' via their own centrifuges and enrichment program. Which is exactly what they keep saying they have to have. So... you tell me why Iran is letting itself be 'sancioned' so heavily when the reason they say they need it is already being offerred to them, but they continually refuse?

      May 23, 2012 at 1:00 am | Reply
      • Aguu33803

        Daniel, Lets for one moment think that the people that would "Sell" them the nuclear fuel rod, don't do it (like we promised the Iranians spare parts to their planes when we sold them their planes and now refuse to give them spare parts do the common man on the street has a relatively high chance of dying). Why shouldn't they be able to build their own fuel rods? Is it illegal?

        May 23, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Aguu... It is illegal to VIOLATE the terms of signed agreements. In this particular case, it is illegal for Iran to develop nuclear weapons and lie about it.

        May 24, 2012 at 5:31 am |
    • Aguu33803

      Because Our Masters in Tel Aviv, God's only chosen people (sounds a but like Master Race) don't want them to.

      May 23, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Reply
  5. Chaotician

    And why should we or any one else in the world care what Israel says or wants? This terrorist, corrupted, theocracy warring and whoring is only the sweetheart of the politicians which have an acceptance rating of the American people below 10% and of course the war profiteering oligarchs and fellow psychopaths! We should be cheering and helping the Iranians, to counter the blackmail of the Jews! These peoples must be forced to be a good neighbor, disarmed. and policed within their legal 1948 boundaries!

    May 21, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Reply
    • Hans

      Chaotician,

      1) Israel may be many things but (unlike Iran) it's NOT a theocracy...
      2) If Israel's neighbors were to disarm absolutely nothing (except for peace) would happen... However, disarm Israel and you'll have another Holocaust on your hands...
      3) What "legal 1948 boundaries" are you talking about?!... The ones that the Arabs have NEVER accepted?!...

      May 22, 2012 at 9:34 am | Reply
      • ceaz

        There's going to be a war and Israel will stand alone. Not even the great U.S will not join. ISRAEL WILL WIN!!! After all is said and done everyone shall Know the Glory OF GOD!!! I'm not a Hebrew but I love ISRAEL.

        May 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Ceaz... Israel will not be alone in case Iran and/or the Arab states will try to destroy it again... For the simple reason that Israel DOES NOT have strategic bombers, aircraft carriers and millions of troops. This means that in case of a large scale war Israel will have no other choice but to use nuclear weapons to defend itself. As a result some of the largest oil fields on the planet will be turned into a radioactive desert, the oil prices will skyrocket and the world economy will be thrown into a crisis of epic proportions which will effectively end our civilization as we know it.

        May 22, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
      • Aguu33803

        Hans, if you call Israel the JEWISH state, then it is not secular, it is Jewish and the Jewish religion dominates it, not secularism. On my opinion, that is enough for it to be a Theocracy.

        May 23, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
  6. whocares12345

    War seems inevitable at this point. I wonder how many Americans will have to die for Israel.

    May 21, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Reply
    • Roscoe Chait

      How many Americans will die if Israel does nothing?

      May 22, 2012 at 11:03 am | Reply
      • dt

        NONE. It isn't our issue at all. If Israel wants to engage in wars then we should offer to SELL them weapons. That is exactly what they would do for us.

        May 22, 2012 at 11:28 am |
      • ceaz

        so everyone forgot that Iran said it was going to nuke Israel (little satan) and U.S.A (big satan). So if Israel falls so will U.S. Does anybody do research?

        May 22, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
      • whocares12345

        ceaz- If the Iranian regime were to attack Israel or the US, they would be completely and utterly obliterated within hours, and they know this. Do you not understand the concept of mutually assured destruction? You really think their goal is some kind of messianic suicide pact?

        They want nukes for defensive purposes; nobody messes with a country once it has nuclear capabilities. They see countries all around them falling, and they want to protect themselves. They realize that once Pakistan got a nuke, everybody stopped messing with them; the world had to take them seriously. Iran just wants to join the big kids club, and being a nuclear power is the easiest way.

        We will not be fighting this war in order to protect the world from a mad dictator bent on world destruction. We will be fighting this war in order to preserve Israel's hegemony in the region. Are you willing to fight and die for that? Or send other young Americans to fight and die? I know I'm not.

        May 22, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
      • Thinker23

        whocares12345... The guys that directed hijacked planes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon as well as those who sent them knew that they would be completely and utterly obliterated. Somehow this knowledge did not stop them... What makes you believe that Iranian leaders are any different than the leaders of Taliban?

        May 22, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
      • whocares12345

        Thinker23- Because the regime in Tehran is a rational actor; the 9/11 hijackers were not.

        Do you know what this term means? I suggest you go to google and type in 'Iran rational actor.' Read the first few articles that pop up.

        May 22, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
      • Thinker23

        whocares12345... What makes you believe that Iranian leaders are "rational thinkers" while Taliban leaders were not???

        May 23, 2012 at 5:31 am |
      • Thinker23

        whocares12345... Iranian leaders are doing everything they can to convince the Iranian people, the neighboring Arab states and the rest of the world that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and will use these weapons to destroy Israel. Now let me ask you again: what makes you believe that Iranian leaders are "rational" while the leaders of Taliban are not?

        May 23, 2012 at 6:20 am |
      • whocares12345

        Did you even read my post and take my suggestion, "Thinker"? I find your choice of screen name highly ironic.

        May 23, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Whocares... Trying to mask your inability to answer simple questions by insulting your opponent is rarely effective. Insults are a clear sign of surrender, a (dirty) white banner. Try to remember it next time.

        May 24, 2012 at 6:30 am |
      • whocares12345

        Hey "Thinker", I already answered your question; I don't need to repeat myself because of your inability to comprehend. Jesus H I don't even know why I'm wasting my time responding to you with this message. I'm done here.

        May 24, 2012 at 10:02 am |
      • Thinker23

        Whocares... You've "answered" by declaring that Iranian leaders were "rational players" while the leaders of the Talian were not. YOu DID NOT answer my question about the reasons of this apparent difference as well as the question asking how Iranian efforts to develop nuclear weapons correlated with the "rationality" of Iranian leaders. Running away from questions DOES NOT qualify as answering tem.

        May 24, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Thinker23

      During the 64 years of Israel's independence NOT A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER participated in Israeli wars meaning that as of now NOT A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER died for Israel. Something to think about for those wondering how many Americans will die for Israel in the future.

      May 23, 2012 at 8:16 am | Reply
      • Aguu33803

        Thinker, I just had one of my fiend's boyfriend that is getting a PHD at Stanford come back from Iran and your comment of "Iranian leaders are doing everything they can to convince the Iranian people, the neighboring Arab states and the rest of the world that Iran is developing nuclear weapons and will use these weapons to destroy Israel." is a BOLD FACED LIE, so stop lying. You are obviously pro-Israeli and that is fine, but if you keep lying, you will lose a lot of people like me that used to actually believe some of your lies.

        May 23, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
      • Henry Baxley

        Israel was founded on the idea of race, Therefore it is a racist state, end of story. A certain amount of racism/group interests is a healthy thing. The problem comes when you start to believe your race is the ONLY race!
        Zionism IS racism and racism for its own sake will not be tolerated in the 21st century. The world has become to small and inter-connected for ANY racial group to claim a certain piece of land as "Jews only" Just as whites had to take down the "whites only" signs.

        May 24, 2012 at 5:40 am |
      • Thinker23

        Aquu... Can you ask you learned friend how will Iran possibly use hundreds of its intermediate- and long range ballistic missiles it acquired during the last several years? He should be educated enough to produce a comprehensible answer. THEN we'll find out who is the liar here.

        May 24, 2012 at 6:34 am |
      • Thinker23

        Henry... Can you NAME that "state for Jews only" those horrible Zionist racists created? Certainly it is not Israel as every fourth Israeli is an Arab...

        May 24, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
      • Henry Baxley

        There is a word for those who attack people because they're afraid they will be attacked,,,,Paranoid
        You seem to have trouble with your thinking, I said Israel was a Racist state and you came came and asked me if I could NAME it?!?!
        Also, you seem to believe that Israel has never done anything wrong, imoral, or illegal in spite of repeated attacks on the peacful nation of Iran. You value system is very abnormal. Have you considered talking to a counsellor. You don't have to live with fear and hate, You can change. I bet if you got to know some of the Arabs you are so afraid of you would start feeling better about yourself and less threatened.

        May 24, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Henry... The fact is that every fourth Israeli is an Arab. Another fact is that all Israeli citizens have the very same equal rights regardless of their race, religion, ethnicity or gender. Therefore, your claims saying that Israel was a "racist, only for Jews state" were obviously NOT TRUE. I've given you a chance to correct your mistake but the fact that you insist on your original false claims makes you a LIAR. Don't be particularly upset about it. All racists are liars...

        May 25, 2012 at 5:20 am |
      • Thinker23

        Henry... By the way, Israel NEVER attacked Iran. It seems that you're inventing lies on a fly. If you also BELIEVE in your own lies it means that it is YOU who needs professional help.

        May 25, 2012 at 5:30 am |
  7. opopopop

    israel's opinion is actually to dismantle the nuclear sire near Kom and to stop enrichment up to 20%,and getting rid of the material that was already enriched beyond 20%.

    May 22, 2012 at 5:18 am | Reply
  8. Hahahahahahha

    Come on doilie heads!!!!! Start the doilie head vs towel head smack down already!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahaha

    May 22, 2012 at 9:14 am | Reply
  9. john

    The whole Middle East get fcuk itself. It does a great job at it without much help.

    May 22, 2012 at 10:30 am | Reply
    • Joseph McCarthy

      Please john, the next time you want to show your dislike for Middle Easterners, just refrain from using that ugly Tea Party lingo. It has no place here, like I said before.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:00 am | Reply
      • Carlos Stevenson

        Suggesting that Tea Party members only use that kind of language demonstrates the kind of ignorance that most liberal thinking minds have. I'm not a Tea Party member, but it is embarrassing how little most democrats know about the party and actually and how much they talk about the thing.

        May 22, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
  10. gregingso

    My money says Israel attacks Iran right before the November elections (4-6 weeks ahead). Hardliners everywhere are the problem. In this country they will destroy our economy. In the middle east they will not rest until the world is embroiled in another world conflict. Those of you who think peace is even a possibility are fooling yourselves. Only the dire consequences that are ahead will cure this world of the curse of extremism, and that is because those events will bring death to them all.Once all the extremists have killed themselves off then maybe this world will know peace.

    May 22, 2012 at 11:04 am | Reply
    • dt

      That would be a brainless move for the Israelis. If that kind of timing presented itself then our electorate would demand the election of the candidate that stated clear distance from Israel. They would have bought themselves NO support. Start a political war in the middle east and we want noting to do with you.

      May 22, 2012 at 11:32 am | Reply
      • gregingso

        Just because an action can be properly stated to be 'brainless' does not mean that political leaders will not undertake it.They won't do it because it's the smart thing to do, they will do it because they think it something that they have to do or that 'God' wants them to do. It will, of course, be a tremendous blunder but I still fully expect to see such an attack prior to the November elections. Hope I am wrong, fear I am not.

        May 22, 2012 at 11:57 am |
      • Thinker23

        gregingso... Israel will not use force against Iran unless as a last resort in case there will be no other way to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Is this explanation simple enough?

        May 22, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
  11. Jeebus

    Israeli's are more concerned with enrichment then with an actual bomb program because they realize the greatest threat is from Iran giving enriched nuclear material to a terrorist group in order to make a 'dirty' bomb. Iran is not stupid enough to blatantly fire a missile at Israel, they will simply siphon off enriched material to anti-Israel terrorists so they can have a wall of deniability.

    May 22, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Reply
    • Aguu33803

      Guess what Jeebus, they have had enough material for a dirty bomb for almost a decade, so have they given any dirty bombs to anybody? If not, why not? Do you actually believe your own things that you write?

      May 23, 2012 at 8:06 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Aquu... Do you really believe that the Israelis have nuclear bombs and had them for 40 years or more? They did not give them to anyone...

      May 24, 2012 at 6:35 am | Reply
  12. Albert Von Sachsen

    Suggesting a nuclear attack on Iran is sheer lunacy. The conflict is with the regime, not the Iranian people, who by and large are like everybody else. Parents wanting a better life for their children, in peace. All of you who wish a war upon anyone, have not served nor gone to war, otherwise you would not be so bellicose. Fact is simple: the more countries have nuclear weapons, the more danger for all of us.

    May 22, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Reply
    • Marine5484

      I agree, Albert. Contrary to the opinion of most Americans, there is absolutely no glory in going to war or starting one. Only the right-wing politicians in Washington want us to think otherwise!

      May 22, 2012 at 4:53 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Albert... Can you offer a BETTER way to make Iranian leaders peaceful than use of force in case they'll decide to pursue their nuclear ambitions? If you can not offer a BETTER way to make Iranian leaders peaceful it means that use of force against them is the BEST way to make them peaceful you CAN offer.

      May 22, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Reply
      • Aguu33803

        Thinker, the Iranians have not started a war in over 300 years! I cannot say that about my own government!

        May 23, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Aquu... Israel did not start a war during its entire history.

        May 24, 2012 at 6:36 am |
  13. Chuk

    In other words, nothing will satisfy Israel from a "unilateral" strike (which we all know will not be unilateral). So let them!
    Let's see what they can do.

    May 22, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Israel will not use force against Iran unless as a last resort in case there will be no other way to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. Is this explanation simple enough?

      May 22, 2012 at 6:13 pm | Reply
      • Aguu33803

        I do not think the Israelis are suicidal and neither are the Iranians. Even the former head of Mossad mentioned that Iranians do not have a nuclear weapons program. The head of the Israeli armed forces mentioned how attacking Iran would be the biggest mistake for Israel in its history.

        May 23, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Aquu... I've said (repeatedly) that Israel will not use force against Iran unless as a last resort in case there will be no other way to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. If (as you're telling us) Iran has no plans to do it Iranians are safe.

        May 24, 2012 at 6:38 am |
  14. adam

    The Israeli elite are already "locked down" on Iran, so to speak, so unfotunately the attack may even come before teh – http://www.war-in-middle.east.blogspot.com

    May 22, 2012 at 11:40 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      Adam... Can you explain the possible reason or reasons Israeli elite would be willing to attack PEACEFUL Iran... aside of Israeli elite "being locked on Iran" or being suicidal or being agents of Satan, etc.? I'm asking for RATIONAL reasons grown up RATIONAL adults would use.

      May 23, 2012 at 5:34 am | Reply
      • Frankaaaay

        Hey "Thinker". Are you really a thinker...or a wisher? You live in a dream world. Any rational person who knows history and the present conditions and facts unfolding can see the writing on the wall if Israel does not do anything.

        Do you know about the 6 day war? Israel does not F around. And they should not. They are smart, and they deal in reality. You do not. But what do you care...you are a Liberal sitting in your safe apartment, pondering in the city.

        May 23, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Frankaaaay... You did not answer my question. I DID NOT ASK for your opinion about me and what I care about. I've asked about the possible reasons Israel would be willing to attack PEACEFUL Iran and I'm still waiting for an answer. On the other hand, I would gladly explain to you that in the Six Day War the Arab states were VERY FAR from being peaceful. To the contrary, that war started when Egypt committed an act of aggression against Israel by blocking the Tiran Strait.

        May 23, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  15. Gastone Ciucci Neri

    Great article ! Unfortunately by the end of the year we will witness a war in the Middle East.

    May 23, 2012 at 6:05 am | Reply
    • Frankaaaay

      Completely Agree. Watch the month of July. Maybe even late June. We will wake up to the headlines, because Israel is going in soon. These talks are another farce and Israel is just being respectful of this last round of B.S. for Obama.

      May 23, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Reply
      • Thinker23

        Can you guys explain the reasons Israel will be willing to attack Iran? When you're done you may elaborate on the exact timing this attack will happen.

        May 23, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  16. SHAHIN OF IRAN

    Enough of this foreplay between Israel and Iran. Iran will never give up it nuclear bomb ambition. But this terrorist regime should NOT have any nuclear plant in the first place! Why did the Russian built it for iran is beyound me ($$$$). But as an Iranian I feel that Israel should attack this fascist regime and weaken them to a point that the iranian people rise and overthrow the mullahs cancer from the face of the world. I am 100% behind Israel. The sooner they attack the better. The Iranian people are waiting to be liberated from the evil empire of the mullhas who are nothing but a cancer.

    May 23, 2012 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • Thinker23

      If the people of Iran did not like their (democratically elected) leaders they would replace them by someone else. No one but the Iranians themselves will "liberate" them from their own leaders... unless, of course, these leaders will start a war against another country.

      May 23, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
      • Frankaaaay

        Like Russia, the elections were a farce, fixed. This is a lying Dictatorship.

        Thinker, you are delusional, like Liberals in general.

        May 23, 2012 at 11:57 am |
      • SHAHIN OF IRAN

        WHAT? This is a fascist regime that came to power by the help of the west in order to stop the spread of Soviet Union in the region. To stop the Soviets you needed the crazy fanatical mullah regime like Khomenie whoi was NOT elected by the Iranian people but was imposed on the Iranians by a well planned marketing campagn of the west. Once he became to power, he double crossed the west since he did not trust them! Remeber the hostage crisis? The Iranian people can not do it by themselves unless they are armed. Like Egypt, Libya and Syria, the opressed people of Iran need the west to finish off the Mullahs.

        May 23, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
      • Thinker23

        I'm hardly "delusional" and I'm hardly a "liberal", my friend.... This being said, however, the fact is that it were the Palestinians who elected their leaders, NOT Israel and NOT even the US.

        May 23, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
      • Thinker23

        My statement above should have say that it were the Iranians who elected their leaders... Nevertheless, it equally applied to Palestinians as well.

        May 23, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
  17. Frankaaaay

    Excellant article, well thought out. REALITY thinking.

    May 23, 2012 at 11:56 am | Reply
  18. Question All

    Has anyone considered asking why Iran, with 3rd largest oil reserves in the world – it needs (or even thinks it needs or will ever need) Nuclear Energy in the foreseeable future?

    May 23, 2012 at 2:42 pm | Reply
    • SHAHIN OF IRAN

      They need the bomb so that no one would dare to attack them. That is all. A bomb would guarentee their survival.

      May 23, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Reply
      • Thinker23

        Can you explain the possible reason someone would be willing to attack PEACEFUL Iran? When you're done you may consider that some states would be willing to use force against Iran which is trying to develop nukes.

        May 23, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Aguu33803

      Question All, has anybody ever asked the United States that has the LARGEST COAL reserves in the world why they need Solar, Wind Farms, Oil, Nuclear, and Dams? Your question is a but ridiculous. Iranians are IMPORTERS of gasoline so they satisfy their energy needs. Their petrochemical plants are rusting because of decades of sanctions and because of their population growth, they need energy. They would rather spend their money on something other than buying gasoline from the West. Does that answer your question?

      May 23, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Reply
    • Aguu33803

      Thinker, Why did we Attack Iraq? Did we ever find those WMDs? Saddam was not a threat to the US, but Wolfowitz wanted them wiped out in 1993. You may not remember this but 14 hours after Saddam fell, General Mofaz said how Iran would be next. I guess they are just supposed to say that is OK, please come over and wipe us out.

      May 23, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Reply
      • Thinker23

        Iraq attacked all its neighbors except two... and the fact that Iraqi WMDs were not found does not prove that these WMDs did not EXIST. On the other hand, the fact that Saddam USED WMDs killing more than 60,000 of Iraqi civilians proves beyond any doubt that he HAD them.

        May 24, 2012 at 6:41 am |
  19. Socrates

    Reality check for Iran nuclear talk. Excellent idea. As soon as you finish with Iran we can move to Israel and we can begin a reality check for Israel nuclear talk. They need one too.

    May 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm | Reply
    • SHAHIN OF IRAN

      Israel is the ONLY true democracy in the middle east. What are you talking about? They are surrounded by enemies!

      May 23, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Reply
      • Aguu33803

        Shahin, if you are an Iranian, I am a Martian. The day an Israeli Arab is elected as the Prime Minister of Israel is the day I will believe they are a true democracy.

        May 23, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Aquu... Israeli Arab will be elected as a Prime Minister of Israel just after an Iranian Jew will be elected as President of Iran. You do not doubt that Iran IS a democracy, do you?

        May 25, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
  20. DAVID

    ISRAEL IS IN BUSINESS OF KIDNAPPING ,TARGET KILLING AND OCCUPATION BESIDE OTHER THINGS AS WELL AS HAVE 2 0R 3 HUNDRED NUCLEAR WARHEAD AIMING AT IRAN WITH NAME OF SECURITY . (MAY BE THE SHOULD CHANGE SECURITY TO GREED ) THAT FIT ISRAEL BETTER

    May 23, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      If the Palestinians did not like "KIDNAPPING ,TARGET KILLING AND OCCUPATION" they would NEGOTIATE a better deal long ago. On the other hand, if the Arabs and Iranians were assured that Israel does not have any nukes they would try to destroy the Jewish State again as they've done in 1948, 1967 and 1973. The resulting war would claim tens of thousands or even millions of casualties meaning that Israeli nukes are saving a lot of Muslim lives.

      May 23, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Reply
      • Aguu33803

        Thinker, If there were no Israeli terrorists groups like Irgun and Stern Gang, if there were no Israeli terrorists that blew up the King David Hotel, if Israelis did not bomb the USS Liberty (Repeatedly) and lived in Palestine without poisoning their water wells, then there would have been no reason for hostilities.

        May 23, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
      • Thinker23

        Aquu... Irgun and Stern gang ceased to exist 64 years ago. Palestinians, however, refuse to negotiate a peace agreement with Israel TODAY... and as long as they're willing the war to continue it will continue and more Palestinians will be killed. When the number of dead Palestinians will satisfy those still alive they will ask for peace negotiations. Israel will gladly agree.

        May 24, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • keith

      Rather an obnoxious and untrue statement David, Pleae corroborate all of your accusations – one grows tired of your unthinking and thoughtless left wing rhetoric. BTW iran has repeatedly threatened Israel and other western nations.

      aguu333803,
      I suugest you learn some more history instead of parroting what you were told at the mosque. No one is preventing iran from developing its resources, which it cannot without help from others. Iran is a rather repressive theocracy (and Israel certainly is not) which executes gay people, people who speak out against the poison of islam, people who threaten the current status quo etc etc .. Why should iran be trusted? Iran has openly threatened other countries. The main concern is not that iran would openly use nuclear technology as a weapon (even the mullahs are not that stupid .. I think) , but that it will export nuclear technology to terror groups in order to coerce cooperation with its rather short-sighterd reference frame. This point of view is entirely justified when one observes iranian support of hezbollah, and other islamic terror groups, as well as funding south american socialist terror cells such as FARC.

      May 24, 2012 at 2:17 am | Reply
  21. Henry Baxley

    All you Zionist psychopaths can scream and whine till the cows come home, but the days of Israel dictating to the world is rapidly drawing to a close. Likewise the religious fanatics of the Muslim "faith" people today are not buying your insane delusions...That is to say, the young people.
    Thanks to the internet, where millions of people can be heard, crazy people are beginning to stick out. And your childish belief in Ghosts and Zombies are being discarded for scientific FACTS...Change or be left behind,

    May 24, 2012 at 11:28 pm | Reply
    • Thinker23

      It sounds pretty comical when someone telling stories about a "state for Jews only" that "attacked peaceful Iran several times" starts professing about "scientific FACTS"...

      May 25, 2012 at 9:04 am | Reply

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