By Tim Lister, CNN
Amid growing outrage over civilian casualties in Syria, there are ever more urgent calls to aid — or at least protect — the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad. But so far, the international community's response has been limited.
There has been diplomatic censure, with envoys withdrawn or "recalled for consultations." Syrian diplomats have been expelled from numerous countries, including much of the European Union, Turkey, the United States and several Arab states.
A growing raft of sanctions is draining the Syrian regime's coffers but only gradually sapping its strength. This is not a country that has relied on international trade for its survival.
A United Nations mission was formed to monitor a cease-fire agreement made in April, but violence has persisted.
Nothing has made the al-Assad regime buckle, especially as the regime perceives both internal opposition and the international community as divided.
Compare the situation to that in Libya last year. As Moammar Gadhafi was about to unleash his forces on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, the world came together in the shape of the U.N. Security Council to authorize international intervention and prevent a bloodbath.
The French and British were prime movers behind U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973; the United States an enthusiastic supporter. Russia abstained, but at the time its ambassador noted that many questions remained "unanswered, including how it would be enforced and by whom, and what the limits of engagement would be." Russia later complained that a humanitarian mandate had become a blank check in support of the rebels.
Perhaps in part because of the bad blood over Libya, the world body has reached no similar consensus over Syria. Rather, the opposite, with some of the harshest diplomatic language traded for years.
Both Russia and China are wary of any international action supporting protest against authoritarian rule. And Syria has been first the Soviet Union's — and now Russia's — key ally in the region after Egypt “defected” in the 1970s. As it has for decades, Russia still supplies the Syrian government with weapons. One Russian analyst, Ruslan Pukhov, told CNN: "Once the Assad regime vanishes, we have zero influence in the region."
It remains to be seen whether the recent massacre in Houla will force Russia into a corner. But even if it does, what can be done? In Bosnia, the international community declared "safe havens" for Muslims but failed to protect them. The result in July 1995 was Srebrenica, the worst massacre in Europe since 1945, when some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim civilians were killed by Serb forces. Havens are only safe when protected against superior forces.
Syria, Sarajevo and Srebrenica: When outrage isn't enough
Analysts say that even setting aside the lack of international will, successful intervention in Syria would pose problems not present in Libya:
Geography: Most regime targets in Libya were close to the Mediterranean coast and within easy reach of NATO air bases in Italy. Even so, NATO warplanes flew some 21,000 missions over nearly six months to enforce the no-fly zone, suppress air defenses and destroy command centers and armor. Military analysts say that, while no match for the best NATO members could summon, Syrian armed forces are better equipped and coordinated than anything Gadhafi could muster.
Neighboring states: Few of Syria's neighbors would likely allow their territory to be used to pre-position supplies or military units. Certainly neither Iraq nor Lebanon, both countries with their own volatile sectarian mixes. The Hezbollah militia, strongly allied with Syria, remains powerful within Lebanon.
The presence of foreign troops on Jordanian soil might have repercussions for a monarchy that already has plenty of problems domestically. Using Israeli territory would send the wrong message altogether.
That leaves Turkey, a NATO member that has run out of patience with al-Assad. Earlier this year, the Turkish foreign minister compared the Syrian president with former Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic, and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned al-Assad — pointedly in Arabic — "What goes around, comes around."
Turkey has military bases (Incirlik, Diyarbakir) close to the border that, theoretically, could serve as staging posts for intervention. But even for the Turks, there would be risks, including a flood of refugees and possible retaliation by Damascus supporting the Kurdish terrorist group active in Turkey, the PKK.
Topography: Libya was flat desert; there was little cover for regime forces and most of the fighting was along a narrow coastal strip. "Target acquisition" was relatively simple. Syria's physical geography is more challenging; and much of its northern border with Turkey and Lebanon is mountainous, with few major roads. Getting aid into any safe havens within Syria would be a logistical nightmare.
The opposition: The Libyan rebels, for all their military shortcomings, quickly grabbed a swathe of eastern Libya and major air and seaports in Benghazi and Tobruk that became their resupply hubs. The Free Syrian Army (FSA) controls a few neighborhoods and some rural areas in the north of the country — but no major population center. It is vastly outgunned by the Syrian army.
Crucially, the regime retains control of Syria's frontiers, and its armed forces appear cohesive, according to analysts in the region. There have been military defections, mainly of low-rank conscripts, but not of entire units with their armor.
Against all this and the political risks of western military action in yet another Muslim country, some argue there is a moral imperative — as there was in Libya and Kosovo (done), Rwanda (ignored) and Bosnia (eventually).
Writing in The Atlantic earlier this year, Steven Cook argued that "if there is no intervention and political will to stop Assad's crimes remains absent, the world will once again have to answer for standing on the sidelines of a mass murder."
Cook, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, asked: "At what point in the body count is international intervention deemed to be an acceptably worthwhile option that can have a positive effect on the situation? After Assad has killed 6,000 people? 7,000? 10,000? 20,000?"
By most accounts, we have passed the second of those benchmarks.
Some argue that, despite the price, there would also eventually be a strategic gain: a post-al-Assad Syria would unlikely be as close to Iran as is the current regime and might also deprive Hezbollah of critical regional support.
Others see the risks of international intervention as outweighing any benefits, with the danger that civil war would inevitably spill into Lebanon.
A version of this analysis first appeared in February.
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Arab League Jurisdiction.
I heartily agree. I say support a united Arab intervention into Syria, we'll give'em M1 Tanks, F15 fighters, Apache helicopters, Sidewinder and Hellfire missiles. The best of the best weaponry. In the hands of good, well lead troops they can demolish an opposing force three times their numbers. You line your guys up on the border and we'll stack Cargo planes and ships behind them with the beans and bullets they need.
A L L Arabs. Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Libya, Bahrain, Oman, Yemen, Dubai. Show the world what you stand for and evict this monster. GO!
We will send troops to if they lack the will. Go baby, go.
The world be much better with no wars !
You'd be speaking German if you really mean that. Hahahahahahahaha
It's doesn't look any better now than in the German days, the way the US is going, everyone on earth will be speaking English soon enough.
You're absolutely right. Go tell it to the guys giving the orders to kill children. They must have missed the memo. Or tell it to the protesters, tell them to simmer down and put their necks back under Assad's boot. Slavery and oppression are always so much better than war. Why fight when you can just submit?
Indeed Syria is a tragedy due to its ethnic, historic and sectarian diversities, that are held together with an iron fist of control for decades. Most of us fear a civil war as an aftermath of a post-Assad Syria. The Assads belong to an ethnic minority and have absolutely no sense of common good towards the Sunni majority. Hence he MUST GO! Yes, there could be a civil war, as these ethnic and religious minorities might not accept the Sunni rule. But they have a choice: they can leave Syria. Yes, It's very sad that they have to leave their country. Countries in the international community should advise Syria's minorities – they can't be so many – to emigrate and open their doors and grant them asylum.
Ethnic diversity? They're Syrians. They're indigenous to their country. They differ in religious beliefs, but the Syrian government is secular. You have no idea about what you're posting about–nor do the Sunnis perish under Assad. Check your facts: Syria is a secular regime; besides the regime being ruled by the al-Assad family, who are of the Alawite sect, but do not deny rights to any religious sects–the family is more like a monarchy (perhaps the English should abdicate their Queen?). The Chrstians who make-up ten percent of the population are treated as equals; the small population of Druze, Kurds, and the small population of Jews are all treated as equals. America heavily supported the downfall of the Mubarak regime, and then the Muslim Brotherhood took over. The Libyans are in a tribal war, much of which, we assume, another person like Gaddafi will take over (so much for democracy). How about the atrocities in Bahrain? Or Yemen? How about the atrocities in Northern Cyprus? How about Turkey ethnically cleansing the population in the North. They're just as bad, or if not worse than the Syrian regime. I read everyday about the Syrian regime, and how bad they are to their people. The primary organization that is calling for the Syrian regime to fall is the Muslim Brotherhood. No one in Syria lamented their absence, except for a few staunch Sunnis, and ardent, anti-Assad supporters.
Syria has a population of twenty million, yet, the Free Syrian Army cannot even take over a major city. At least the rebels in Libya were able to control major towns like Benghazi, and eventually Tripoli. The dissidents, who are anti-Assad, are fighting from the border and cannot gain any ground. The majority of the people do not support them. If you wonder 'how' I came to that conclusion, I simply took the fact that the army, which is comprised of every religious sect, is still in tact. They're supporting their leader. Also, if there was any kind of intervention, you better believe that Lebanon, and Iraq would never allow the Western world to use their land to stage an attack against one of their allies. Jordan would not dare to allow anyone to attack Syria. If they do, they're committing economic suicide. Syria alone is responsible for a great deal of their GDP. As for Israel, I highly doubt they want to interfere in another Middle Eastern conflict. I am sure the Lebanese Civil War still lingers in the minds of many Arabs (lest we forget the Sabra and Shatila massacre that they supported by the Maronite Catholics?). Moreover, the countries who are calling for the downfall are Qatar (hahahahaha), and Saudi Arabia (hahahahahaha). I am sure most of the Syrian people would not support a Waa'habi, or Salafist regime. In fact, check the human rights violations in both of those countries.
I do not condone the killing of any civilians, nor do I support the mass killing of any religious, ethnic, or racial sect. We stood by as Sudan was engulfed in a civil war, and eventually the south seceding from the north. I view the genocide in Sudan as a horrendous event, for which we stood by and did nothing. Perhaps there was nothing that we could do? There is nothing we can do in Syria. I would love for a democratic regime, but I would not trade the current regime for what would succeed them if the Free Syrian Army is victorious. The West is responsible the sectarian regime in Lebanon; for the resentment the Iranians feel towards the West; for the Sadaam regime (remember JFK supported the Ba'ath party's ascension because of our anti-Communist stance. Also, we supported Sadaam in the most important Middle Eastern war of the 20th century–the Iraq/Iran War. It is bigger than the Six Day War, and more important); and the diaspora of Palestinians from their NATIVE land. People shouldn't throw stones when they live in a glass house.
Also, J.Von, how about you leave your home so a religious sect can take over? That is disgusting. Perhaps you should study the Palestinian/Israeli conflict? Where are the Palestinian refugees? That's what I thought. I do not support the violence, but you are. What will happen after the regime falls? Genocide? a Diaspora of minorities? I am pretty sure if you ask most Sunni's in Syria, they would support Assad. Also, how about you condemn the sectarian regime in Lebanon? There hasn't been a census in Lebanon since the 1930's–why? That is because the Shi'ites are the majority. Also, if you are wondering what I am? I am a proud American of Lebanese origin. I am Christian as well (not that it matters or should, but apparently it does if you're 'okay' with religious minorities leaving the country).
You think you know everything. Most of what you wrote is wrong and complete garbage. Get educated first before commenting! My guess is you are an ignorant and bitter Armenian! Get a life!
Faris al-Khoury, you must be blind for ignoring all the dead bodies lying on the streets. Among the mostly children and women! In addition, you must be a very un-informed person to claim Turkey committed atrocities in Northern Cyprus! Turkey prevented ethnic cleansing committed by Greek Junta between 1970 and 1973. Since than there is peace in Cyprus. In addition, you say Turkey committed atrocities in the North. North of Turkey is Black sea! What Turks killed in the sea? Fishes? If you mean in the east of Turkey and you are implying Armenian deportation, then the situation is the same as Cyprus. Armenians was collaborating with Russia and committing ethnic cleansing of Turkish population. Please learn you facts before you make comments. You cannot manipulate and even change neither the facts nor the history.
Ergun Tok
erguntok@msn.com
Well Said Mr Akhoury
That big posting of yours confused my assumptions about Syria
This is all part of bigger picture by United Snakes (US) and Inbred British for remapping of the region as put forward by Ralf Peters years ago. US is behind these radical moslem terorrists attacks on innocent bystanders to create caos to the point that nato will invade, part of Syria will be handed over to Isreal as their territory and a portion of Syria will be given to turkey based on new plan turkey will also loose ground to new Kurdistan crap. Lebanon will be divided into two sections, also Egypt will be practically divided. Saudi will also be smaller country and the story continues....
Wrong! They are not Syrians originally. A short time ago, they were members of different tribes, often enemies of each other.
That is wrong. Alawites are of a religious sect. If you are alluding to their tribe, then they are still from Syria.
Once apon a time there was this beloved ruler.
All loved him and bowed at his feet.
But when the beloved ruler died,
His successor "hotsie" was supposed be ruler.
Some felt that "Totsie" should be ruler.
So today we hate and have wars because...
The Hottsies hate the Tottsies.
Now you know why gods, clans and tribes are buried in the past
and as long as we have them, we will never evolve as a species.
How sad.
***NewWorldOrder
This is all part of bigger picture by United Snakes (US) and Inbred British for remapping of the region as put forward by Ralf Peters years ago. US is behind these radical moslem terorrists attacks on innocent bystanders to create caos to the point that nato will invade, part of Syria will be handed over to Isreal as their territory and a portion of Syria will be given to turkey based on new plan turkey will also loose ground to new Kurdistan crap. Lebanon will be divided into two sections, also Egypt will be practically divided. Saudi will also be smaller country and the story continues....
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And this is a bad idea....Why ?
The US needs to stay out of this. If any intervention is needed the Arab League needs to do it. The US just risks another muslim lashback no matter how supportive the rest of the world is.
There is much tragedy in this story, but after two costly interventions in the region with only modest results thus far, the US should be very cautious about intervening directly. Providing arms, without troops, could be one solution, but even this has it's moral implications, especially if there are similar atrocities on the part of the opposition at some point. This being said, it is important to the US what happens in Syria, and we should not be content with just a "weakening" of the Assad regime. The strategic connection between Syria and Iran has implications for the whole region, witness what's happening now in Lebanon. Clipping Iran's wings in terms of ability to influence frontline states in the Arab-Israeli conflict is important, but we would need to have a clear plan, with a broad coalition of European and Arab countries, something that I don't believe exists at this point in time. the American public would need to be convinced on this one, and this kind of diplomacy works poorly in a glass bowl, especially during an election season. For me, staying put and continuing with sanctions and building consensus on next steps is the best we can do at this time.
If there was such an outcry why are there only 14 comments, this issue is just being jinned up by the media. Besides I like Bashir and hope he does not go out like Mubarak and Ghaddafi who have been brutalized by now terrorists controlled governments. Fareed, who cares?
They don't even bother to lie about WMD's anymore.
Who's "they"?
US of course.
1. Islame will continue.
2. Islame will continue.
3. Islame will continue.
4. Islame will continue.
Lordie Lordie I hope not!!!!
Yes. Probably as is lame.
It would be nice if the author would consider writing an article to say how many of those 7000 were killed by guns sent in to the rebels by the christian west and the "friends of Syria" neighbors.
Giving guns to the rebels and trying to act as unbiased referees does not cut it.
Those "friends of Syria" were not friends for the past 20 years. How come they are suddenly friends. One of those friends called Syria the axle of evil. Some friend!
This whole story is being enacted in order to clip the wings of Iran and Russia. The christian west has to go to mass and take communion a bit more often in order to cleanse their thoughts. Russia and China have been deceived by the west and will no longer trust them. I live in the west but I am a bit ashamed at the way our governments carry on.
axle of evil.
Good name for heavy metal band.
The rest of your post was gibberish.
I am surprised by the elegant silence of the OIC though fellow Muslims especially women and children are brutally massacred by Assad.Cant they protest, withdraw diplomats etc? Or cant they offer troops to mediate to enforce the ceasefire with UN blessing? With Russia being the barrier why aren't the OIC and Arab nations calling back their diplomats from Moscow? Hezbollah and Hamas are elegantly silent too.If Israel kills (even terrorists) they create a hue and cry.Now fellow Muslims are butchered by Assad no voice of protests.Is it because they are Sunnis? Its time the West ropes in the OIC too.
Totally agree
read my novels - king of Bat'ha - and - Tales from the East by Ivanhoe.
I RULE THE WORLD (CEO)
-------------------
I will sit at my desk, and tell other departments (Countries/nations)
You are not producing enough.
I dont care how you do it, but you have to produce more !
The rulers of these countries crack the whip.
When you crack the whip too much, your employees start to fight back.
You whip them back, and sometimes it works, and sometimes it dont.
When it does work, management gets scared and makes changes.
When it dont work, management fights back and put you in your place.
But when other departments see you putting them in thier place
other departments start fighting back also.
Management starts to panic, because they fear losing control.
You people need to start looking at the nations on this planet for what they are.
Just departments in a larger "corporation"
You are the employees.......Cattle.
Nobody in management cares if Syrians die.
But other departments are getting scared because there employees are up in arms
so, before other departments get out of hand, management needs to find a way to ....
Fix this department.
It will get fixed, but at what cost ?
The New World Order is not coming.
It is already here.
They are still tying up loose ends.
Its your call people,
is this a good thing or a bad thing ?
One thing is very clear....
We cannot continue as a species
on this path, and expect to survive.
Freedom does not mean anarchy.
Religion does mean submission.
Evolve or perish.
Incirlik base is in Adana, not Diyarbakir. Fareed, you need to study better, being Harvard grad doesn't mean anything unless you know what you're talking about.
Diyarbakir is another turkish Airbase. Why dont you get your facts straight before you make a fool of yourself.
To understand more about what is happening over in Middel East read novel -- king of Bat'ha -- and the sequel due out by summer 2012 -- Tales from the East by Ivanhoe.
If we take out al-Assad, how can we be sure that the new government that takes his place will actually be better? There's no sure way to make sure that religious fundamentalists don't fill his place.
http://www.Hear-The-Truth.com
As long as ol' hildebeast is in charge of running our foreign policy, we can rest assured that the bloodbath will continue – all the while she is busy fueling her massive PR machine to convince us all of how "astute" she is.
Saeed..Say what you will, but the US doesn't bomb or buthcher there own people..At least not yet.
Sorry Jim but yes they did, http://www.rense.com/general36/history.htm
Bashar Al-Assad has commited crimes against humanity.
Assad prepare to meet your maker. No need to pack.
The Syrian government is a secular government and gives freedom of religion to everybody. The US, NATO, Israel and Saudi Arabia are opening the door for an Islamic probably fundamentalist government in Syria, then they have the same problem or mistake they have with Osama Bin Ladin. They will never learn. The US and its cronies keep messing the Middle East.
No are they are fighting to spread hindu Judaism, filthy secularism, source of hinduism, denial of truth absolute, human equality, no hindu Pharoah, criminal king is permitted in Islam nor defiance of truth absolute, nothing new, every hindu Jew, criminal secular cries out hindu filthy Zion ism like hindu criminal Nazi ism, four letters, Nazi and Zion, meaning nothing else but to be claimant of god hood in hindu Judaism filthy secularism or Nazi ism, having the same meaning's, but both of them of hinduism, racism of Pharoahnic Egyptian origin. hinsuism, filth of masters and slaves.
Your post is a complete messT
there is no way in any language
Never mind
United Nations Security Council is a dysfunctional dinosaur.
From the beginning, even with the reason of their own creation, they were based on misrepresentation.
• They declared they were the victors of WW2. Only three of them was, other two France and China were saved by the other three.
• They self appointed and authorized themselves with Veto power above the remaining members. They were not elected.
• UN with it’s civil services is really a useful organization. Feeding hungry populations, giving health support, creating neutral zones between conflicting nations, educating peoples is very important and useful functions of UN. However, to fulfill these services UN does not need the Security Council.
These five nations in the Security Council do not help to solve global conflicts but they delay, drag the decisions. Each one act to protect their own interest by ignoring the global interests.
Russia, sided with ethnically related Serbs when they committed ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Now they are acting as a lawyer to Syria and preventing any help to innocent victims butchered by a murderous government. They are doing that just to sell yearly 4-5 billion dollars worth of weapons and protect their only seaport facilities in the Mediterranean.
China, needs lot of raw material and energy sources. They will protect their suppliers and Veto any decision even if does mean harm to other nations.
USA, any decision in Security Council against Israel will be automatically vetoed, regardless that decision is right or wrong.
France, England, these two nations are not anymore superpowers, they are previous Colonial powers. Now they appointed themselves to control the remaining almost two hundred nations.
While Democracy promoted on all over the globe, United Nations are run and controlled by five bullies.
Before we recommend to a nation, I think we should first start Democratization with the UN, by eliminating the security council and go for voting system by all members.
Ergun Tok
erguntok@msn.com
Democracy is the biggest lie on Earth. It never worked as advertised, not a single day! It is a play to dupe small liberal boys like you: that is all it is! It simply can not work without somebody pulling the strings – your parents should have explained it too before it was too late. Ah what is the poit! Whatever!
I agree.
But you wont like my example.
There are 22 Muslim nations on earth.
They gang up on Israel.
Resolution after resolution after resolution.
China strangles Tibet.
Russia pounds Chechyna
Turkey respresses Kurds
On and on and on.
Maybe some kind of New World Order could fix all of this.
Or maybe we all become slaves of some higher power.
I think that Religion, power and money has already answered that question.
But i do fear chaos.
The human race has yet to evolve.
We are just a speck in the universe,
but we act like gods.
Stupid Americans. Stupid, stupid Americans! You would call al-Assad into account for his actions? Laughable at best. How many "dead babies" did your murdering thugs kill in Iraq and Afghanistan? How many innocents died in your "Liberation of Libya"(n oil)? How many people have been unjustly beaten, r@ped, killed, exploited following your arming of Egyptian "security forces" against the Arab spring. Get off your stupid soapbox America, you are baby-killers, r@pists, oppressors and fascists as much as al-Assad is. Did you care about Darfur – (kind of but there wasn't a heck of a lot of oil there). Did you care about Rwanda – (again, no oil for Haliburton at the end of the day). Democracy and freedom are an illusion. When you took to the streets to protest at Occupy they did the same thing, of course you weren't brave enough to actually rebel, but if you had American "security forces" would have done the SAME thing Assad is doing. You Americans are so mislead, so pompas and incredibly ignorant. This is war-mongering. I'm telling you – Iran and Syria will be a death knell for the Zionists and will repel an international attack. The world is watching and they won't stand for more. Bring justice to the injustice your thugs committed in Iraq – the 700,000 people still incarcerated in the Iraqi penal system (arrested by American fascists) being tortured and harassed, bring justice to the Egyptian police for what they did with your weapons – and then talk to Assad. Your ignorance and devotion to falsehood will bring about your ruin America, and the world can't wait!
Crusader? Wow! How can one person write so much scata in one post? Congratulations! You have just earned the famous Emu prize. And as you probably don`t know, Emus are really stupid birds.
Exactly Crusader.
Stay out of the middle east America!
And be totally hypocritical allowing the middle-east to degrade to inhumane and criminal existence that further breeds atrocities to export to other parts of the world along with their sick philosophies and desire to infect everyone. No, we have actually seen enough of what the cancer can do when left to ferment and spread on its own. American can't be the worlds police force or savior but the international community, possibly with America leading, needs to be both humanitarian and concerned.
If America really wants to help Syria or any other countries, and if America really want to give a better image of themselves then it's easy, just stay home for once.
Even without intervention there seems to be justification for and pressure that could be exerted by the international community forming a tribunal and putting al-Assad and members of his regime on trial for the atrocities being committed. Even in absenteeism a conviction could be scary for ultimate enforcement and punishment and for showing the will of the international community. The publicity would bring more attention to and disclose more facts of the crimes also putting additional pressure on Russia and China. Even the elements from Iran could be named and included in the trial. Of course, people have to be allowed to face and answer their accusers, but that would be a totally desirable happening.
No one needs to be tried for hinduism, terrorism against humanity before baby killer western hindu's, terrorist in their hindu Judaism, filthy secularism, one has to be mentally disable or a hindu blinded in hindu Judaism, filthy secularism in defiance of truth absolute, not to mention hinduism, terrorism of the western hindu gentile criminal slave governments and their hindu sanatan , filthy man god's Jew's. they are nothing else but hind filth of humanity pretending to be beneficent.
No person in his right senses can commit hinduism, criminality of western hindu's, criminals, hindu, criminal west is out to run its business of hindism, terrorism against humanity under the cover of nuns dress. One hinduism, scam after anotehr hinduism, scam of western hinduism, terrorism in hindu Judaism, criminal self center ism, secular ism in defiance of truth absolute, hindu Jew's, criminal secular s and their hindu gentile, criminal slaves live by to spread hindu Judaism, filthy secular ism to deny human equality.
Who are we kidding that we aren't looking at what is intervention right now? Syria has been in the crosshairs for years.
Time to send over some cruise missiles, in the middle of the night and rock their cages.
Is that what its time for?Easy for you to say,when you are not on the other side of the cruise missle.so easy to say,when the bullet isn't pointed at you.this isn't Call of Duty,Rambo or Lethal Weapon.It isn't a movie or a video game.There are people on the other side.They are people with lives,and children and families.....let someone point a cruise missle at your house and see how you like it....or perhaps your children?
We kill babies in this country only we call it legalized abortion.
History was showing that West side was wrong
1) US supported Taliban as a freedom fighters against Soviet invasion... then US proclaimed a war against Al Kaida in Afganistan
2) In Libya, it was almost life in Paradise but freedom fighters from Al Kaida wanted to turned this back to the Muslim Impire... we see what happened.... now Libya is on the verge of the civil war
3) in Serbia – was the same set up with killing ppl on the plaza. Then it was intervention.... then all of the sudden KOSOVO, the province of Serbia proclaimed independence and WEST supported this....
4) In Folkland Islands, Argentina have full rights to that islands but Great Britain does not want to give the rights of native Folkland ppl to join Argentina.
3) In Al Hula, Syria, freedom fighters or just Al Kaida bandits made a set up with killing kids. Army will never do such things against their own ppl, especially kids. It is clear set up. If you dont believe yourself, go verify what CNN told you and ask citizens of Al Hula, and you will see that CNN is a big LIAR.
It is all pro West view.... Imagine, Soviet Union with Stalin – these events would never happened.
Soviet Union stopped Mr. Kennedy for his plans to invade Cuba..... Nice analogy to stop the BLOODBATH, right?
and to complete the picture.... remember the massacre near Wounded Knee... when US Army, blue jackets were killing
unarmed ppl, including, kids and elderly native indians.....
Why nobody bombed US for this act of atrocity?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre
By the time it was over, at least 150 men, women, and children of the Lakota Sioux had been killed and 51 wounded (4 men, 47 women and children, some of whom died later); some estimates placed the number of dead at 300.
THe question is – WHen the United Nation approve the intervention for this massacre. It will be interesting to see the responses on this forum.
US soldiers who were involved of killing kids were honored by Medals Of Honor.... WOW
The Army awarded twenty Medals of Honor, its highest award, for the action. Native American activists have urged the medals be withdrawn, as they say they were "Medals of Dishonor". According to Lakota tribesman William Thunder Hawk, "The Medal of Honor is meant to reward soldiers who act heroically. But at Wounded Knee, they didn't show heroism; they showed cruelty." I
Well said MW.
yeah, send more bombs and missiles to kill more kids like you did in Wounded Knee long time ago
Whenever a bunch of rotten "Rags" off each other, it's GOOD NEWS!
Where is Executive Out comes when you need them
Go U.S Go . We want new regime in Syria " friend to West " Live in peace with Israel. It's time to drive Russia and China from the Middle East .
One reason and one reason only the world has not come to the aid of the Rebels- :Russia.- As long as Russia continues to support the Syrian Regime, we have to be careful where we locate our Testicles, if we have any.
i know that ... intervention means risk but without it we will lose more innocent people and i don't know really what we can do ... if we interfere we will lose soldiers too. but we have to use the option what will put an end for this brutalities...
Why nobody is talking about Iran who is main supporter of killer in the world. Russia is always Russia as long as you make them satisfied economically they will no longer support Syria, but Iran is biggest problem in the region, taken together if there will be a military action it should definitely cover Iran, otherwise there will be no success.
I beg to disagree with much of the article:
"As Moammar Gadhafi was about to unleash his forces on the rebel stronghold of Benghazi, the world came together in the shape of the U.N. Security Council to authorize international intervention and prevent a bloodbath."
Until then Gaddafi's troops had behaved quite well in the areas they reconquered. Gaddafi's threatening talk was directed against the rebel fighters and very similar to the talk that the rebels used. So the chances that there would a bloodbath were very small. The world would have done better to organize an orderly surrender of the rebels in exchange for amnesty and some democratization.
"It remains to be seen whether the recent massacre in Houla will force Russia into a corner."
We still don't know the facts about Houla.The rebels are selling s one lie after the other and we are simply buying it and imposing sanctions. First the casualties were supposed to have been caused by shelling by the Syrian army. Then it appeared that only 20 of the casualties had died due to shelling, that the shelling had happened during a heavy rebel attack and that many of those 20 were very probably rebel fighters. But instead of reconsidering our information and sanctions we switched to believing the next assumption – that they all had been killed by government related militia. It looks like we aren't interested in facts – except when they justify more sanctions.
"One Russian analyst, Ruslan Pukhov, told CNN: Once the Assad regime vanishes, we have zero influence in the region"
You are confusing cause and effect. It is the US government that wants to get rid of Assad and is prepared to violate international law for that because he is a friend of Russia. Russia, China, India and all the many other countries that are against intervention are just upholding international law.
"After Assad has killed 6,000 people? 7,000? "
You get that figure only when you include fallen rebel fighters.
And there is another thing evident with Assad in power – more dead babies. Talk your way out of that!
Boy, you are an i d i o t. Dont you know that there are commas, semi-colons that are used in sentences instead of rambling on and on? I have an idea – why dont you go f u cc kkkkkkkkkkk yourself -
Where are you from? What is your answer for Syria? Why do not all countries allow freedom of religion? What are countries who do not allow religious freedom afraid of? Why does Syria kill so many of its own people? (By the way, I do not support intervention in Syria, as I do not trust the opposition either.)
People understand that there’s been some harsh reality in Afghanistan and Iraq, but history told us that nation building is not without costs (even though it didn’t cost Iraq 200000 children, especially in the bombardments. (Please do not exaggerate.)) In Syria, there have been persistent and systematic killings. Whether or not they have been committed by the so-called regime, a lot of people have died, and that has hitherto been a fact in hand.
Didn't the USA actual protect the muslims in Bosnia from genocide at the hands of the Serbs? Get your history straight! Your're clueless obviously mis-informed!
See they also run the risk they can't "fool" the people in revolt into thinking the UN are actually friends. They are stroking them very hard I must admit they haven't blamed a single thing on the people that a revolting. Being very careful not to incite the very people they are trying to quell. Tihs is all bad for the members of the UN wolfpack considering the assets at stake pipleines etc. They don't want to lose Syria possibly to people who are revolting that might just put who and what they want in their and not what the UN wolfpack wants. They are very sneaky of course. US "warhammer invading Iraq. Then the UN members slither into Iraq to guard the pipelines and oil wells for their respective nations. Invasion is usually about goods and lands at least it used to be. Except now we live in a world with 3 billion people that have to be fooled into thinking its all a humanitrian effort. So they don't rip the snorkels off the invading nations for being invaders.
Question is who is the UN to tell anyone what they want and don't want. Syria has been around for centuries. I guess Syrians don't know anything about Syria and the UN does. Iraqs don't know anything about Iraq. All they know is they have a "Democratic" puppet in there. Then again in the United States blacks for the most part have never been elected outside there Districts. Its almost a reason to start believing in Jesus of course. Cause well now you have a minority in there. Dosen't make any sense but then again you have to have a little faith. Or be a real believer in "Democracy". I know all the really angry arabs in the middle east thing Hussien Obama is a swell guy. He showed up at a time when arabs were really, really upset about being invaded. Yep we showed them people what "Democracy" is all about. Now they appear to have quieted down in some respects in other way the whole idea just didn't work out at all.
true but hes so narrow minded and islamized he dont want to hear this.....
apparently, the American gov. is fine with dead babies... I guess dead babies in Syria isint our problem then
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apparently, the American gov. is fine with dead babies... I guess dead babies in Syria isint our problem then
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We dont like dead babies.
We also dont like dead Americans.
You are the stupid one here. He has communicated effectively. Semi-colons etc is not going to change "rambling" and idiot is a single word, not five single letters of the alphabet with space.
Clearly, he is from another country. Are you bilingual?
I am just wandering if you know any other language besides English? Or do you know proper English?
Hasn't the US Government did some experiences on it's own black community in 1932 which was called the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment back then? And in 1931 they also infected it's own people with cancer cell and supervised by Dr.Cornelius Rhodes. There was plenty of experiment done by the Us Government on it's won people from 1931 to the late 90's. Syria is not any better, but before blame other counties for their wrong doing you should firs tlook into your own backyard, because it's not cleaner than ant others.