Fareed Zakaria looks at how the immigration systems work – and don't work – in Japan, Europe, Canada and the U.S. in the TV special: "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work" on CNN at 8 p.m. ET on Sunday, June 10. Watch on CNN International on Saturday, June 16, at 4 a.m. and 9 p.m. ET
Few topics are more provocative than immigration. In this special, I look around the world for insightful immigration policies in Japan, Europe, and Canada – and explore what the United States can learn from each.
America is an immigrant society. What I was struck by, though, was a lot of other countries have learned our tricks and bettered them.
So, did you know, for example, that Canada has more foreign-born nationals than we do? And Australia has more immigrants than we do? Those societies have become, in 10 or 15 years, genuinely pluralistic, diverse immigrant societies. And here's the kicker: They have figured out a way to do immigration right, where they take smart, hardworking, talented people whom their economy needs.
In the Sunday special, we look at these lessons. Also joining me are two thought leaders on immigration politics and policy – New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg (I-NY) and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R-KS).
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Balanced immigration policy,law.
When your NAFTA and CAFTA agreements have a fluid worker agreement across borders–then you have to let people in, even if you never let your citizenry KNOW that all the illegals are actually NOT illegal based on the agreements both Dems and Republicans put into play.
Consider the agreements for truckers and school children and other across the border enterprises. Our government turns the other way because our government is behind this "global immigration expansion" in the first place.
The NAFTA agreement for truckers coming across the border from Mexico to work is falling apart because we force them and their trucks meet the standards of the USA in order to enter so our public is safe from getting crashed into from their substandard, unsafe trucks. the Mexican Government has threatened to impose tariffs on goods from America because of our stringent laws regarding truck and driver safety. it is my guess that the US Government will relax the rules for Mexican trucking firms and put the public in danger. If that happens, expect lawsuits from both the truckers and the safety watchdog groups to stop that action.
With our own economic problems it bothers me that the border states have to pay for the expense of non-resident childern to be educated. Mexico and Canada should have to pay for these cost, not the taxpayer of the US.
George
Sir you are sadly misinformed. We here in Canada are getting a crash course in Chinese culture and I can tell you that we have already lost the war through immigration. It was quiet, and uneventfull at least in the eyes of our Government here. On the street and workplace you will never meet a more ruthless and determined people ever. They are simply conquering by numbers, its very simple and hence intimidating. Canadians are terrified of them but say nothing for fear of retatliation from our own authorities and ofcourse the Chinese population itself. They get to you one way or the other, usually by taking your photo in broad daylight in public and posting your photo amongst the Chinese community in every city in Canada. Its the new darkside folks (new order). If you go to blows with these people be prepared to go all in.
June 8, 2012 at 11:14 am |
Amato
@George
I am sorry that you felt this way. However I have some encouraging words for you: go and visit Hawaii, you will see the future of Canada. The future of Canada may not be dominant whites but I am sure they will be dominant 100% Canadian if the local Canadian can adhere to their Canadian value which we immigrants so admired and impressed with.
George, my advice to you is learn Chinese or have a Chinese friend, then you will have a clearer picture of us instead of preparing “go all the way in".
June 9, 2012 at 11:09 am |
Any country who thinks it can take in unlimmited numbers of poor people, uneducated people and prosper by such apolicy is doomed. America has reached teh tipping point and is falling into poverty no longer ablel to take care of itsneeds. We are over immigrated. Reduce immigreation and taek on more people who are self sufficient and do not drain te US.
Estimated 7 million non-agricultural jobs are held by illegal aliens. (with stolen, or fake ID)
Jobs that could and should go to Americans. Push your state rep to make a change .
Google this: NUMBERSUSA . Once you are registered, go to the "action board" to
send free faxes to your state representative .
They are all typed up and ready to go, you just need to click your mouse to send.
No more illegal aliens in payroll jobs !
Every job outsourced creates 100 new American jobs. Everyone knows that. Increase the H-1b and off-shore more jobs. It will be good... trust me
I have a SERIOUS PROBLEM with 'naturalized immigrant' - Fareed Zakaria - telling US that we need more immigration! I live in the Bay Area and there are so many Asian Indians, Vietnamese and Mexicans (mostly illegals) that, this once beautiful city resembles the same rat hole, Third World countries that they left! You will be hard-pressed to see and white and black people - let alone hear English! Enough with the immigration already...vote these spineless politicians out and demand a better education for OUR KIDS so we no longer need to hear the excuses about immigration. WAKE-UP AMERICANS, this is still a nice country to live in, but will it be in 10 years???? These people set-up cultural plazas, live almost exclusively amongst themselves and refuse to speak English. They don't want the be Americans, they want to remain Indian, Mexican, Asian, but just live hear and take, take, take!
US immigration system for highly skilled individuals is broken because it separates families. US green card holders cannot marry foreign spouses and bring them to US (unless you are first willing to live a separate life for 5 years). Do you hold an advanced degree, are highly skilled, are in your late 20s or early 30s and thinking of immigrating to US? Think twice. If you immigrate, your green card will NOT allow you to go back to your home country, find a spouse to marry and bring them to the United States. Only US citizens have those rights. As a green card holder, you can marry, but your spouse will have to wait for 4-5 years in your home country - so much for an immigration systems that supposedly favors families. This is not just for India, China, etc., it applies to ALL countries in the world. Essentially, the US government will dictate to you that you can only love and marry an American spouse. I am a US green card holder in this situation. I am European (not from a poor country) and I like the United States, but I am very unhappy about this aspect of America, to the point that I may leave US for this reason. Other nations, Canada, Australia, even Switzerland, are much better in this regard.
I guess that it is a decision that you need to make in regard to whether it is worth it to stay here. It is a balance, do you prefer the relatively lower taxes here in relation to where you are from and do it legally, or you could do it like the other illegals do and just get a tourist visa and have your wife overstay the visa. there is no penalty under the selective method that the Obama Administration applies the law. It may change under a new President, so you gamble and risk deportation and then wait an additional 10 years or do it legally and wait the 5. You have a hard decision.
Go. we really want fewer foreigners....you take away from our own kids....Go Away with our blessings to a better land of less strife and discrimination ....Go!
THe posters who just responded reveal their ignorance.
1. Developing nations generally have lower taxes than the U.S., whether you're talking India, Mexico, etc. People DO NOT come to the U.S. for low taxes – if this were the case, we'd be seeing immigrants from Sweden and France, not India and China and Mexico.
2. The U.S. does indeed need educated workers and we compete to get these workers. They are not "taking" our jobs because we simply do not educate enough people at the high end, especially in the sciences, to meet our demand. Our college graduation rate is unlikely to go much higher than the 32-33% it is now, based on the quality of our K-12 system.
It is too bad that our system does not allow you to bring a spouse, but if you are living in the IU.S. do you really need to "go back" to your home country to "find" a spouse? International marriage is common in the U.S. I could understand if you already have a spouse or girlfriend/boyfriend in your home country, but if you intend to live in the U.S. why can't you find a spouse where you live?
Polli: You start, maybe they'll follow. Just because you arrived here earlier does not mean you have the right to stay and ask for no more to come. Leave, give the land back to original owners. Or, others will arrive just like you, or your parents, or your grandparents, who do not belong on the soil they live either.
Go back to the collapsing Eurozone!
Poli:
Nice, so you draw a line (after you and your folks have come into the country). Yeah, you might say, your folks came on the May Flower. But who the heck knows & who the heck cares.
As someone else said...make an example, you go first, and make sure to take all your family with ya, and others will follow.
As far as I'm concerned, you and your ilk don"t have any more rights than new entrants.
The US is and and always has been a land of immigrants. As long as immigrants come to this country legally, and contribute to the country, I have no problems.
So...
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Nicholas. If you don't like the rules of the US than just leave. The US has plenty of US citizens looking for work and we are more than capable of filling them with US citizens.
And what is it about Mexican immigration law that you like?
I'll take USA anytime IF we enforce the laws on the books.
As it is, people who mean us us harm just waltz across out borders and our government is out canvassing for votes or partying on our dime in Vegas.
WE get what we vote for and THAT scares me!
We do need immigration reform. We also need you to stay here because a good portion of native-born Americans and their children are too lazy to work. They complain that there aren't any jobs, but they just don't have the skills, intelligence, or motivation to do those jobs. Without smart, motivated immigrants, we will fall behind the rest of the world very quickly.
Polli my brother started his own tech company and as a patriotic conservative American, wanted to hire only US citizen. Six months later and with no candidates available he had to start looking outside of US or sponsoring an engineering student already in the US! No one is taking away jobs from your children. Your children don't have the right qualification or education! Unless of course you are talking about people stealing toilet cleaning jobs.....
Why would you go back to your country to find a wife? That is exactly why the process works the way it does, so immigrants can't bring over less desirable people. If you were married before applying for your green card it wouldn't be an issue. i think there are a lot of flaws int he system but that isn't one of them. After you have your green card for 5 years then become a citizen and do what you want.
Not from a poor country? LOL.... You better educate yourself on latest topics like European Sovereign Debts.... Greece Bailout...
We do not need more immigrants. Yes we got here first, and we have very right to say no more. Just as people who enter first in an elevator have every right to say the elevator is full. Just as people who enter a life boat first have every right to say the life boat is full. Our economy and social system cannot support more immigrants, or else this entire boat will sink and everybody will drown.
What Nicolas did not share is that with the socialist system in western Europe, there ARE no science or engineering jobs for individuals like himself or for someone like me: a U.S. citizen with an advanced degree in the sciences and lots of experience. I could never get a job anywhere in Europe because there would have to be absolutely no European looking for a job (however unqualified) before I could get the position. Nicolas, however, will be hired here in a heartbeat.
Why are there so many jobs here? (1) the USA is a meritocracy and (2) most U.S. citizens aren't stupid enough to do all the schooling of an M.D. (to get a Ph.D) and then get paid pennies on their dollar. Because Nicolas basically has to wait for someone in his own country to retire or die before he can get a job, he comes to the USA for work. Nicolas: there are plenty of females from your country already here. If you MUST marry someone from your own country, just look around. Be grateful you can come here and find a job based entirely on your MERIT. Everything else is just complaining.
Nicholas
The first thing we need to do is to put a top to all employment based immigration that has cost US citizens many millions of jobs.
We need to absorb those who have already arrived legally and make life as unpleasant as humanly possible for those who have not so they will self deport.
Immigration policy should be set by what is best for the citizens of this country not what is convenient for foreigners.
Importing 125,000* or more work visa waving foreigners each month is a recipe for disaster.
*numbersusa.com
> Importing 125,000* or more work visa waving foreigners each month is a recipe for disaster.
It is 65K PER YEAR.
People coming here to work does not "cost" anyone jobs. The size of the economy is a function of the economic output of our nation, so more skilled workers = more economic output. Just as people being born does not "cost" us our jobs. In the 50s the U.S. has 120 million people; now we have 300 million (much of this driven by births) – the number of jobs have grown with the population.
Yeah, right. Most of the jobs filled by foreigners from developed countries require a high level of skill. There aren't enough skilled Americans to do those jobs, so we have to import workers. Training unemployed Americans would be expensive and they wouldn't have the level of experience the foreign workers do. You can't take someone with a high school education and make them equivalent to an aerospace engineer with 10 years of experience.
MC: one point of interest is that many immigrants who work in the USA do indeed siphon money away. For example, U.S. dollars are funding the development of India by way of outsourcing AND the fact that most Indian nationals working in the USA save all their income and send a huge chunk of it back to the mother country to help their parents/siblings/extended families out. People who earn here do not necessarily spend those earnings here. The same is patently true for Chinese nationals wrking in the USA. I know because I have worked almost exclusively with both and others (quite harmoniously) for the past 15 years.
Where do you get your phony stats? Immigration both legal and illegal in the US from 2000-2010 is as large as the entire population of Australia. How can you make such false statements from a major news network, then have us sound off on it? This is pure ignorance. in fact, from just 2000 – Australia has had 900,000 legal immigrants vs. 14 million LEGAL immigrants in the US. On top of all this, most Australian immigrants were born in the New Zealand, hardly a cultural difference.
Exactly nathan I just posted the same thing. CNN and its liberal agenda just plain lies..no way they can claim ignorance when a simple search of government websites show the hard numbers.
The way you have interpreted the numbers is a clear indication of why we need more immigrants, especially the ones who can count numbers!
LOL you don't even know what your talking about. America, mexico hardly a cultural difference too right?. the majority of immigrants to australia are from ASIA. have you even lived in australia? you dont know much.
The largest group of immigrants to Australia in 2010-11 are indeed from New Zealand, no doubt aided by the dreadful earthquakes in the South Island. Nevertheless that is still only about 20% of the total of 170 000, and a further 10% come from the UK. China and India supplied 10% each, which leaves 50% coming from a very large range of other countries. There is broad support here for legal migration; the debate focuses on refugee seekers, especially those who arrive by boat.
$10 dollars a peach, it not like there paying them $1000 an hr, seriously u can pick 800 peaches an hour and at minimum wage or even at $10.00 an hour that isn't going to make a peach cost even close to that figure, its pure greed, maybe $10 a peach if a person could only pick 2 peach's per hour at $10 an hour, fricken peaches grow on trees, aside from the cost of water and insecticide not to big of a cost.
There are over 23 million Americans who are unemployed, underemployed, or who have given up looking for work! Why should we accept about a MILLION legal immigrants every year, not to mention the illegal aliens who number around 12 million? Illegal aliens cost us far more than any possible contribution they might make to the economy. Their anchor babies end up being largely fed, housed, clothed, educated and medicated by the US taxpayer! They cost the US billions every year. Even legal immigrants, if they are poorly educated and work for low wages, may be a drain on the economy! And then far too many, especially Latin American immigrants and illegal aliens often are unwilling to learn English and their kids cost us a bundle for ESL instruction. Right now, we just don't need immigration. Cut out, or at least down, immigration, and more Americans can have jobs; deport the illegals, and even more jobs open up-and I DON'T mean in agriculture. Most illegals don't pick tomatoes: they do construction, retail, landscaping, fast food, etc....jobs Americans will take if they have to.
Right on , texaslady. The article states that Australia "has more immigrants than America" and asks if we knew that.
I smelled a rat with that stat so I looked it up. Australia has allowed, legally only of course since they actually have laws and enforce them, they have allowed about 100,000 immigrants per year over the last 65 years. America has that many come into our country illegally every month, plus our legal quotas. So, here is my guess why the article states Aus. has more.. I bet the author is using percentage of population instead of absolute numbers. One can use statistics to make any case and I see this sham often. Since the USA has a huge overwhelming number of immigrants, then use percent to make your point.... called point journalism. Just our guest worker program is ten times Australias immigration. Their is an old saying that applies here : You can have the facts, let me have the interpretation. Misleading statements abound in today's media , from all sides.
"did you know, for example, that Canada has more foreign-born nationals than we do"
So? Canada has 3,854,085 square miles and a tenth of our population. They have the room. AND, we have immigration. I've been fortunate enough to attend many an oath ceremony. THOSE people are immigrants, not illegal aliens. Immigration does, in fact, "work". The trouble is that more and more ILLEGAL aliens are getting preferential treatment.
I say stop all imigration until we have a balanced budget. All US citizens first have jobs with well deserved wages. Stop all outsourcing of the jobs and bring jobs back home. We used to be a great nation until we were overrun by Mexicans and illegals taking advantage of our system and stop giving our money away to other countries. Period!
All US citizens have never had jobs and will never have. That's how free economy works.
There is a much more powerful factor than immigration that affects job market in the US. It's the fact that 2 billion people (China + India to begin with) have finally figured out that it is better to make stuff that other people need than to march under revolutionary banners and kill each other over political ideas.
You will never get your old jobs back by throwing out people who can do it better than you. Nobody is gonna pay $20 for a plastic bucket that Chinese can make for $2. Nobody is going to pay $200 to change a rubber gasket in a kitchen faucet just because you are a pure bred American and carry a bunch of licenses.
America has been a great nation thanks to the enterprising people who figure out how to organize others for productive work. Henry Ford invented automotive industry, which changed the way of life and provided tens of millions of Americans with gainful employment. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs (to name a few) have done the same on the global scale.
Do you know how much do Chinese earn on each iPhone that they build? – Something about $10. That's all. The rest of the money comes back to the US to investors and IP holders. So, instead of complaining about immigrants or cheap foreign workers taking away your jobs, figure out what and how they can do for you and hire them.
Momza's got it right. What are you going to do, force Intel to hire one of the mouthbreathers parading across the Portland local news crime stories to operate a semiconductor stepper machine (requires a Ph.D. in material science). No, that job will be moved abroad for lack of a qualified local person. Because that is already happening.
This op-ed is somewhat bizarre. On one hand it laments that countries in Africa are still medieval, yet it advocates the immigration of the 'high-skilled' FROM Africa TO the U.S. Question: how is that African country ever going to increase their standard living if all these valuable individuals leave there to come work here in the U.S. The overriding problem that we, as workers, face, is that neither party has OUR best interests in mind, but for different reasons. The left wing (evidenced by this op-ed) cherishes immigration for multiple reasons, but mainly because immigrants tend to lean Democratic. Also, immigrants are beloved by other immigrants: they want to increase their numbers here, to have more power, to feel less strange, etc...The right wing's agenda is simpler: get high-skill immigrants here to lower the cost of high-tech labor, reduce benefits and working conditions. Simple as that. In both cases, the high-skill American...the graduate with an M.S. in electrical engineering, the M.S. in computer science...they're getting sacrificed for these agendas. Obama is on board with the left wing on this issue. He parrots the faux company lines: "...not enough skilled domestic engineers..we need to hire Indians..." Those corporate code-words are a lie....what's happening is that the Indian hourly rate is going up and businesses are more reticent to offshore than they used to, and they want American labor here, CHEAP. The way to drive down that labor rate is to import hundreds of thousands of immigrants who will accept lower pay and lesser working conditions (60 hour week) to get their U.S. citizenship. The only jobs these immigrants "create" instead of "consume", are at McDonald's and Walmart.
Corporations want people that come to America living on government subsidies that way if they start making more they wont get subside. Another thing that kills the USA is people that come here and claim 10 kids from their home country on their taxes. The IRS says there's over 2 million people in the USA now claiming 6-8 family members living in other countries. Another thing about illegals, how do Americans ever really know who is here if no one ever ask?There maybe an ax murderer mowing the yard next door.
My best friend just comitted to working for five years at a children's home in Guatemala. So many of the children have stories of familes ripped apart by gangs and drugs. Even through all that, it's amazing to see the hope they have for their country. http://empty-jars.blogspot.com/2012/06/missional-calling.html
I am one of legal non-resident migrants who has worked here for 3 years and generated work in the millions of dollars and have unfortuntely, decided to go back to Australia at the end of this year.
My primary reason is the inflexibility of my work visa, which constrains my ability to create new business (startups) or change employers.
On top of that, I pay social security from my salary, something which I will never get to use. I would have glady applied for a PR along the lines of how it works in Australia (skilled migration) but the way I have to do this now is to transition over to a H1B visa, which essentially means that my wife cannot work for however long it takes to process my Greencard. She is currently able to work on my work visa, though the annual paperwork is slow as hell. So if I choose to apply for the Greencard under the current process, my family has to take a huge paycut.
All things considered, it made sense for us to relocate back to Australia and I am actually taking ideas I developed over here and opening a startup over there. The immigration laws over here have got the better of me.
This is exactly the sort of reverse brain drain that the Silicon Valley business council is talking about. Good luck back in Oz!
And by the way, it isn't just people not getting visas ... it's also a growing number of Americans forced to go abroad to find work. Yes, there have always been Americans looking for adventure or experiences abroad; but for the last ten years (it's non-partisan), a growing number are forced to because of their line of work (we're talking high end stuff, not just semiconductor scientists going to Taiwan but also skilled oil workers going to Alberta, Canada). Search for that story on the CNN Money site.
I know Indians that came with that visa, part of the deal is that the company that hired them buys them a house, and when they leave is a bonus. You are paying SS but all of us , except in the Kingdom and the gulf where there are no taxes, we pay taxes.
I do not know if you pay taxes or not, and for people from Asia, the problematic is that they caos in the western countries were they go, they will not assimilate and try to impose the way of lifestyle of the countries they left.
America needs lagal inmigrantes that are culturally similar , not people that do not respect us.
maybe you should try to locate to somewhere a little closer with better immigration laws,try Canada and see how that works out.never the less wish you and you family well.
Our system is broken, that is why we have an illegal immigrant problem. None of the immigrants want to be illegal.
Estimated 7 million non-agricultural jobs are held by illegal aliens. (with stolen, or fake ID)
Jobs that could and should go to Americans. Push your state rep to make a change .
Google this: NUMBERSUSA .Once you are registered, go to the "action board" to
send free faxes to your state representative .
They are all typed up and ready to go, you just need to click your mouse to send.
No more illegal aliens in payroll jobs !
Fareed finally saw your session on GPS today. You mentioned Canada as an example US can learn from. Needless to say I am not surprised as many people who have not actually migrated here think that things run on Maple Syrup here. Canada has nothing on US in terms of immigration. It is a soul crushing experience. Having lived in and worked both in US and Canada I can safely say US has it right for immigration. While US rewards excellence Canada rewards and encourages mediocrity.
The immigrant dream after trying one's hand had several places is to get a public sector job and retire there. I can't think of many other countries where the public sector pays more than the private sector (Singapore is one example maybe but the need pay higher there stems that they needed to move from a developing country and developed one)
Sure Canada has free healthcare etc. etc. but there is nothing in terms of opportunity. There is no Canadian dream that I can think of.US has it right for immigration.
You write: "Canada has free health care, etc., etc...." . Where do you get that information? Let me say you are completely WRONG. As a Canadian, I pay through income taxes for this service as well as for medical prescriptions which is NOT free. What are you referring to with your "etc., etc...."?
Regarding immigration – Canadians, in general, are against claimants with false refugee status who think they can easily come here to exploit our generosity with the help from corrupt immigration lawyers. The worse culprits are those from islamic countries, which should not surprise anyone in their right mind.
I am not a fan of Zakaria with his double talk so familiar with his roots. Personally, I don't trust him.
Let me add that our Federal Government is taking steps (about time) to curb these false claimants which will make it much harder for anyone with false pretenses to come to this country.
I have been in the US for 15 years and lost my H1-B status in 2008 because of the economy and the discrimination policy of US companies.
The companies didn't hire H1-Bs saying that the US citizens are the first, green card holders the second and H1-Bs are the last thing they would consider hiring. I had more than 7 years of experience in IT in various US companies and I had to give up the dream that I had.
I am now working with Mexicans in California farm land. So people, USA is not what you think it is. When the time is bad for them, they will treat you exactly like the way Chinese or Arabs would treat you. You're not welcome if they don't need you.
Welcome to the real world, many americans and legal residents with college degrees, skills, experience can not find a job, thanks to companies that moved to China and India to have their slave workers produce low quality products.
America has to give preference to its citizens and legal residents that stood on line to come and many waited years.
To give a visa based on money is wrong, look at the gas stations, motels that this people invested on and got a visa, they exploit costumers, specially in minority areas.
The only "balanced immigration" we need is NO immigration! Until every American is back to work and our unemployment is at 5% or lower we should not allow a single immigrant, whatever their country, to enter the US. We certainly don't need any more hispanics or muslims and the US is black enough already. Some white Europeans would be fine. Predjudiced? You're damned right I am!
Fareed, your program was good as far as it goes, but you TOTALLY IGNORED THE CENTRAL ISSUE- POPUATION. Why focus on short-term things when the real issue is that US population will grow to 400 million in a couple decades (mostly by fertile immigrants) and what that means for our RESOURCES, POLLUTION, and all the rest of the environment problems, when we have the highest "standard of waste" in the world. Please do another program on the effect of immigration on US POPULATION.
you're right CT,but as long as people in the US are lead by their religious beliefs we are domed as a nation and a planet.we(the US) need to become an example and leader in responsible population growth,and respect our resources and environment.but as long as hypocritical political leaders pander to religious organizations i see very little hope.our nation was built on freedom from religion as well as freedom of religion.most immigration is a result of over population for limited resources and land.
Fareed- I am a weekly follower of your Sunday program and enjoy it a great deal. However, I am disapponted in your immigration special by letting Mayor Bloomberg state that illegal immigrants are not impacting U.S. public schools. Many states in the U.S. have major over flowing student populations- students that are illegal immigrants themselves or children of illegal immigrants.
As a 25 year veteran of teaching in public schools, I can testify that illegal immigration is in the process of destroying many urban public school systems. For a number of years children of these immigrants have been pouring into public schools. I don't believe the average U.S. citizen realizes how many hundred of millions of tax dollars are being spent to fund these overcrowded school systems. If the mayor of New York City is unaware of this reality, shame on him.
as a taxpayer i do know the economic and social costs to our educational system and our society in general.mayor Bloomberg is an example of failed immigration policy,anybody dream of retiring and moving to NY City.I've lost some respect for Fareed's objective reporting for giving MAYOR BLOOMBERG opinion on immigration without questioning its legitimacy.
Great article. More outsourcing visas will increase my profits.
In my city of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan... Gregg's Plumbing (http://www.greggs.ca/) actually goes to the Philippines, to recruit person's to come to our city, to become journeyman plumbers, sheet-metal, or gas-fitters... or all three.
After two years of being here, they will fly over their wife and kids.
I have met and talked to several of these Filipinos. They are good people, and are good workers to their company.
Goodness, how do they cope with the cold climate?
Fareed you were brilliant as always. Guess we will all compete to get into Canada. I also agree and find amazing that President George Bush had the right idea to resolve America’s immigration issue with temporary Worker Visas. The only issue I have is regarding higher education and how foreign students get the degrees then go home. It’s very disappointing that American students are deprived the opportunity to go to American colleges since out of state students pay 3 times more yet we as tax payers subsidize the state colleges. I think all American children should be allowed to attend American colleges first but that is not how our system works anymore. I believe if American students were allowed this opportunity they would surprise you and become scientist and engineers. Thanks again for your special on immigration.
Fareed you were brilliant as always. Guess we will all compete to get into Canada. I also agree and find amazing that President George Bush had the right idea to resolve America’s immigration issue with temporary Worker Visas. The only issue I have is regarding higher education and how foreign students get the degrees then go home. It’s very disappointing that American students are deprived the opportunity to go to American colleges since out of state students pay 3 times more yet we as tax payers subsidize the state colleges. I think all American children should be allowed to attend American colleges first but that is not how our system works anymore. I believe if American students were allowed this opportunity they would surprise you and become scientist and engineers. Just a theory, thanks again for your special on immigration.
I have a SERIOUS PROBLEM with a 'naturalized immigrant' - Fareed Zakaria - telling US that we need more immigration! I resent this whole notion! I live in the Bay Area and there are so many Asian Indians, Vietnamese and Mexicans (mostly illegals) that, this once beautiful city resembles the same rat hole, Third World countries that they left! You will be hard-pressed to see and white and black people - let alone hear English! Enough with the immigration already...vote these spineless politicians out and demand a better education for OUR KIDS so we no longer need to hear the excuses about immigration. WAKE-UP AMERICANS, this is still a nice country to live in, but will it be in 10 years????
Our policies can always be adjusted and using other models as a starting point for change is just a smart approach. Being lectured about why we need immigrants is insulting and allowing the current flow of illegal immigrants is even more insulting and frankly a crime of government. It's all in the name of votes.
I am the son of an immigrant, I have no issue with immigrants no matter where they come from or the color of their skin I just want it to be legal. I do not believe that this is outside of what most US Citizens want. When this opinion is expressed in the media it is usually presented with a racial overtone. This is about what is right and fair, tax dollars in the form of benefits going to people that need it, legal citizens in need, it is not not race.
Indeed the Eurocrisis and the victory of some left- and right-wing parties put traditional immigrants off. Although well-off and educated immigrants would never come to Greece and meet the same fate as those from Afghanistan, Pakistan or North Africa, they feel threatened by these anti-immigrant rants of the "Dawn Party" leader. Immigration policy in Southern European countries sucks. They don't attract high-end workers and see an influx of undesirable immigrants. It explains why they have problems and their economy stagnates.
v.hettlingen this is the first time I see you exceed your balanced self. Yes this is a hard concept to solve...and it will take time. It is as hot as the oil reserves of the world. The EU facade of labor law always made me think...But when you do look back in history, it is not hard to understand. It is the same game/strategy/ or else played over under another serving. This year it is CNN's promotion to dwell on slave labor. I doubt that they will go so deep.
I do not believe in the very idea of "immigration policy". This idea in generalized form looks attractive, but de facto all the countries that try to be more "conscious" with the immigration eventually face problems.
"And here's the kicker: They have figured out a way to do immigration right, where they take smart, hardworking, talented people whom their economy needs."
The thing is people normally do not go anywhere to work. They go to live, and they work to live. They do not intend to contribute to the ecomony of their recipient country, nor are they eager to please the immigration authorities and to confirm that their policy is optimal. They just try to optimize their personal lives.
Skilled migration policy is IMHO a fail in the long run. In our fast-changing world we cannot predict what or whom the economy will need tomorrow, when today's immigrants, selected by today's needs will just begin to settle. Experts poorly predict crises, as well as growth of the economy, and it is not very rational to take only "economy" into consideration or to equate it solely to demand for labor.
Basically, immigrants are not destructive if they share the main values on which the host society is built, or at least are loyal to the state because they are ready to play by rules equal to everyone. That's why America is still free from destructive and aggressive behaviour of whole diasporas, unlike not only some European countries, but also Australia, for example. Loyal immigrants whose choice was based on their values are much more prone to integration, they do not see the host society as hostile and are more tolerant to the uncertainty within the system they have accepted in general.
I think that sticking to the idea of "attracting specialists" as the only principle of the immigration policy shwows just blindness of the bureaucracy combined with its wish to look hard-working.
Actually, all the immigration is political. Any immigrant is trying to escape something. Anyone who wants to live in another place cannot live in peace with what he has to face in his home-country. Whatever "rational" the immigration policy and the criteria of selection, these issues always exist, and they are always the main reason for immigrants to migrate. I am a Russian trying to live outside Russia because I cannot "live with it" since 1999, and all the choices I have maid during this period are not, say, skill-optimized. I just try to avoid Russia till I eventually settle somewhere else. I think, my case is not very exotic.
Very well said!
I enjoyed your comments. But I also feel that the immigrant's host country has a duty to those who live there to establish criteria which prospective immigrants must meet. For example, they ought to have a marketable skill. They ought to be free of communicable diseases.They ought to be ineligible for any taxpayer funded benefits until they have paid for them through their own taxes. We have a surfeit of native born freeloaders and do not require a single one to add to our unreasonable burdens of supporting the slothful. I feel very strongly that each immigrant must swear to abide by our laws and then do so without reservation. This is a particular problem with Middle Easteners. Many come with multiple wives – bigamy is illegal here- and then settle them in separate homes with their children all on welfare from day one. They are also religiously bound to seek the overthrow of democracy by their religion, since allah is the answer to every question including what to think about. These kinds of immigrants are like cancer. They do not assimilate, they metastisize
a country that has no borders, like Obamamerica is no longer a country. It is the the property of whatever Country's citizens can take it over most quickly
you miss the point. Marketable skills of today are a GLUT a few years later–then the immigrants who came here may be obsolete or American citizens who have been retrained cannot get jobs because visa'd immigrants have taken them. Everyone forgets we cannot send people back if their particular skill turns out to not be needed or we find the American worker being held back or maligned to justify immigrant labor (as happens in nursing and computer tech right now) If you target needs based on skill, the problem is as needs change, you are still stuck with the waves of people you let in in the first place.
You make some valid comments. However one man and multiple wives is not allowed in the USA, ok it happens by Americans, go to the polygamist colonies in the mountain west, but Middle Easterners cannot come in here with more than one wife as immigrants. And as a Christian, I do like to study other religions and Muslims are told not to accept welfare, not to charge interest on loans, and I personally doubt there are that many "Middle Easterners" on welfare. Don't worry Old Paratrooper, your EBT card and monthly check are safe! "Bring your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,..." well those days are gone. We need professionals, intelligent people, hardworking people to keep this country moving forward. Unfortunately quite a few Americans these days aren't doing that anymore. They'd rather pick up that monthly check from the welfare office. Immigrants for the most part aren't getting assistance....
queenbee, if the skill becomes a glut, then the wages will go down because of said glut. Then the market level of the skill involved will stabilize and perhaps some of the persons training for that skill will re-train for something in a similar field. If the companies seeking qualified machine operators are correct, the American worker is not trained to do the work, yet we are still subsidizing the college courses through grants and loans for college. Get the government out of subsidies and loans and the market for skills will stabilize and wages will stabilize as well. As long as the subsidies continue we will have a glut of college grads and a lack of skilled machinists.
Thank you. My opinion here is not so much opposite to yours. I hope you did not take it just like a call for "universal welcome" to any kind of immigration. All the requirements you obviously would like to apply to the immigrants are quite vital. I just ment to compare what bureaucracies find beneficial for their countries to what is really beneficial or harmful.
I am a US citizen and my husband is a Mexican national who currently holds a "green card." I thought I should just put it out there that people who come here legally CANNOT receive any type of public/welfare benefit for at least the first 5 years that they are here. Part of the immigration process is that you have to show that the person(s) sponsoring you has adequate means to do so even if the immigrant in question isn't working. The person(s) sponsoring the immigrant have to have enough financial resources so that it would not be possible for the person to get government benefits. In the case they were to solicit and get government benefits, there are penalties for that including the sponsor(s) being responsible to pay back the government.
Grace... Multiple wives may be illegal here but it happens. It's illegal in England as well but they government gives welfare to families with multiple wives. Unbelievable but true. Ever hear of fraud?
411.... Perhaps people who have come here both legally and illegally can't LEGALLY get benefits but that certainly doesn't mean they don't get them. There have been tons of cases where illegals get benefits fraudulently.
Art,
There have been tons of cases where illegals, legals and American citizens get benefits fraudulently.
You are exactly right-great job.
to 411,don't you think free education is a public welfare benefit,as well as free medical care and legal assistance.but soon it wont matter because illegal immigrants can vote according to the Dept.of INJUSTICE,because states aren't allowed to vet voter registration applicants.VIVA LA LATIONS
Mostly true, and I agree with most of what you said. People who decided to leave and seek a better live in other countries are concerned about their own lives and do not care about the "immigration policy".
Let me me however clarify one thing: the so-called professional immigration from Russia to US (and, to lesser extent other Western countries) was fundamentally motivated by exploring new opportunities rather than fleeing from a bad life at home: in fact, even superficial analysis shows that these people had relatively privileged positions within Russian society, but want just more. Typically young highly educated people at the beginning of their career. There is nothing political about this: these are personal choices.
> Actually, all the immigration is political. Any immigrant is trying to escape something. Anyone who wants to live in another place cannot live in peace with what he has to face in his home-country.
Yes, some people don't want to live the rest of their lives in fear of starvation or prosecution by corrupt authorities . There is nothing wrong with that , Yaroslav. Which is by the way is a Ukranian name. So, why are you against immigration being an immigrant yourself?
Maybe he is a patriotic non-Mexican.
IMy name shows even more: I am Russian living in Ukraine with desire to settle finally in the Western hemisphere. Maybe my position is based on my migrational intentions
My forefathers had the same problem with the british...but instead of fleeing the problems they fought for them and created this country. I have zero sympathy to people who FLEE their crap hole and are too cowardly to stay and fight to make it better.
Steve,
your ancestors fled England in the first place. Using your own words, they "FLED their crap hole and were too cowardly to stay and fight to make it better".
Well said
WOW Kris Kobach is so stupid. What Mayor Bloomberg said is so true. When Americans start realizing this, like many more are, we will have a better nation for it!
Mayor Bloomberg, like other globalists in this country, wants lots of cheap labor to keep wages down. And that cheap labor needs to be supported by the American taxpayer. Moreover, illegal aliens are NOT likely to be the best their country has to offer, but the ones their home country doesn't want. If they had the education and skills to be valuable in the US economy, then they'd be able to be sponsored by an employer for legal residency. We do NOT need millions upon millions of unskilled uneducated non English speaking illegal aliens.
Actually you need to include the Gov of Maine, and Wisconsin who want cheap labor, get rid of labor unions and I mean look at Gov Romney too? He talks about all of the jobs he created when his company sold off companies, and put 10s of thousands out of work. Sure he replaced them with lowpaying part-time jobs with NO benefits, no insurance, that's the way the GOP wants to go. And as for the jobs these illegals take from us, when Americans are willing to clean toilets, change diapers, bus tables, dig ditches and pick fruit and vegetables in heat and cold, then we'll have no more of these illegals crossing our southern border. In fact since Obama has been in office, he's sent back more of them than Bush did in 8 years. And there aren't enough jobs for us here, so over 1 million mexicans have gone home. When Americans are willing to work, to do what's right for our country then we'll have no more illegals problem and we can go back to becoming the greatest country in the world!
I'm confused ... this article is about legal immigration.. What does this have to do with illegal immigrants? Maybe you meant to post about another article?
CHRISTIAN, Mayor Bloomberg of NYC,doesn't that say enough,NYC what a place to live and raise a family,maybe when you retire you could move to such a multicultural mega.
Tip...stop letting Israelis into positions of power within government.
Lawrence (Larry) Franklin The former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst with expertise in Iranian policy issues who worked in the office of Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and reported directly to Feith's deputy, William Luti, was sentenced January 20, 2006, "to more than 12 years in prison for giving classified information to an Israeli diplomat" and members of the pro-Israel lobbying group American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
Franklin will "remain free while the government continues with the wider case" and his "prison time could be sharply reduced in return for his help in prosecuting" former AIPAC members Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, [who] are scheduled to go on trial in April [2006]. Franklin admitted that he met periodically with Rosen and Weissman between 2002 and 2004 and discussed classified information, including information about potential attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq. Rosen and Weissman would later share what they learned with reporters and Israeli officials." (source: sourcewatch.com).
Lawrence Anthony Franklin is a former U.S. Air Force Reserve colonel who has pleaded guilty to passing information about U.S. policy towards Iran to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the foremost pro-Israel lobbying organization in the U.S, while he was working for the Defense Department. He claims this was an attempt to get the information to the United States National Security Council, which he was not able to do through regular Pentagon channels. Two former employees of AIPAC (Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman) also faced charges (that would later be dropped) that they assisted him in the AIPAC espionage scandal and passing classified national defense information to an Israeli diplomat Naor Gilon. On January 20, 2006, Judge T.S. Ellis, III sentenced Franklin to 151 months (almost 13 years) in prison and fined him $10,000 which Ellis later reduced to probation with ten months house arrest.[1][2] The case was heard in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. Ultimately, Franklin was charged with unauthorized disclosure of classified information, not with espionage.
From Wiki
This posting about immigration. Why is it that anti-semitism must be included in all discussions even when they have absolutely no relevance to the current topic. I wonder if you consider yourself to be a religious person?
Your comments have nothing to do with the topic. I think that the moderators aren't doing their jobs.. Come on CNN, time to actually check out what people are posting!
Anyone who thinks the extremist Muslims in the Middle East will be our friends if we stop supporting Israel think again! They hate our culture and will find another reason to hate us!
@indra , Wow, You sound like a coward Nazi . i bet you love hitler and his gay soldiers . germans can go to hell and visit their grand parents. Israelis are here to stay . You're a pathetic piece of cr+p
Jews are pathetic pieces of cr+p, that is why they are majorly disliked and not wanted anywhere. You can't turn the table around with a random post, words are cheap.
Islam's long term goal is to rule the world. It almost happened previously and was stopped at the 'gates of Vienna'. Israel's goals are all about self-preservation unlike the Muslims end goal of the Islamization of the USA. You already have Muslims in positions of power in Homeland Security. Your anti-semitism is blinding you to the real threat, part of which stems from your president who is an ardent admirer of Islam and is currently courting high ranking members of the Muslim Brotherhood. Obama is also spreading the word that the Muslim Brotherhood is harmless which is in fact a complete LIE. And by the way the Marine Corps was founded entirely because of jihadists which demonstrates how long the Muslim jihadists have been a source of extremists and have been seeking to impose their vile and disgusting religion on the rest of the world.
Ok, not going to get into the religious debates as America was founded on the basis of religious freedom. That being said, how did you make the idiotic jump to the Marine Corps being founded because of Jihadist. The Corps was founded in 1775 in a little tavern called Tunn. The 1st battalion of Marines were created because of the need for protection of Naval vessles and posts during the break from England. If you do not understand your history, please do not confuse people about it by talking about things you don't understand.
Regarding your previous comment as to why anti-semitism is brought up in an article about immigration, the fact is ALL major Jewish groups are heavy supporters of unlimited immigration into the US. This goes directly against the interests of many working Americans, despite what you may think. Also, since Jews (as a group, not as individuals) are highly inflluential in government, they have a lot of say as to immigration policy. Anti-semitic, right, I know.
Elizabeth or whatever your name really is, I suggest you lay off the beer or whatever you have been drinking and stick to posting and commenting about the topic here. This isn't about Islam or Obama or anything political. Then again you do kind of sound like Sarah, hey I thought it was you. I guess you are posting incognito? Why don't you go moose hunting? What a shame that Americans are so full of hate and stupidity!
Don't forget that Mexicans are a source of welfare jihad.
I don't see anything antisemitic in this post, can those making these claims explain? I don't think anyone with dual citizenship should be allowed to work for government, and that includes those holding Israeli citizenship.
Jews attack anyone that rightfully criticizes them for their actions, continuous violence, repeated violations of international law, bullying, threatening, attacking. It's their game. So-called anti-semitism. Just like people dislike criminals, people dislike them for very good well-deserved reasons. Just like criminals, they are in no position to complain, but they do it anyway, it's part of their filthy methods along with continuous feed of lies and propaganda.
anyone caught giving secrets to Israel or any other country should be shot on the White House lawn.
Canada must change its immigration policies to exclude Muslims.
Islam is both a religion and a political ideology, and its politics are supremacist. That is, the doctrines of mainstream Islam command the followers of this faith to work toward the dominance of their religion over all other religions and the subjugation of all other political systems beneath the Islamic political system (Shari'a).
This does not refer to some "extreme" or "radical" form of Islam. Shari'a is a fundamental part of the mainstream Islamic faith. It is the duty of every Muslim to work toward establishing Shari'a wherever possible. This means an Canadian who practices the Islamic faith fully must necessarily commit acts of sedition.
Furthermore, one of the basic tenets of the faith is that loyalty to Islam comes before loyalty to any government or country.
When Muslims move into any country, a certain percentage of them will start agitating for special considerations. They start to organize and influence the nation politically in a way that is good for Islam and bad for freedom and equality. When the percentage of the Muslims in a nation's population becomes high enough, they gain so much political power that freedoms and rights begin to disappear.
Current projections for Canada indicate that the Muslim population will soon be huge, relatively speaking. By 2031, the number of people having a non-Christian religion in Canada would almost double from 8\% of the population in 2006 to 14\% in 2031. The proportion with a Christian religion would decline from 75\% to about 65\%. The share with no religion would rise from about 17\% to 21\%. Within the population having a non-Christian religion, about one-half would be a Muslim by 2031, up from 35\% in 2006."
Source: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/100309/dq100309a-eng.htm
If you are from Canada then worry about your own country. If you are not, then let Canada do what it wants to. They have muslims there but we never hear about any major plots to mess up that country. Canadians appear to be somewhat tolerant and they don't mess in other people's business.
Thunj is correct. So far in the US there have been dozens of lawsuits by Muslims to give them special consideration over others. Some examples... Taxi drivers being able to exclude passengers with seeing eye dogs and liquor(they lost that one)... meat packing workers having the right to have prayer breaks several times a day. Other workers have to take up the slack for them... Cashiers at places that sell food being able to refuse checking out customers buying pork products. That's just the tip of the iceberg. Look at France, Germany, England, Holland, Denmark, Belgium, Sweden. They all have de facto Sharia law (England has official Sharia law actually) and all have honor killings (We have several cases here in the US), female genital mutilation(We have several cases here in the US), forced marriages(We have several cases here in the US).. We have had declarations by prominent Muslim officials that the flag of Islam will one day fly over the White House....Shall I go on?
There have been muslims detained at the border from Canada with explosives and weapons, Canadians are doormats for the Islamist domination, how many honor killings they had, how piggy banks are forbidden, how Siks are permited to carry their daggers, read Londonistan , to see how the UK was lost to Islam.
On July 17, a drug cartel completed its first successful car bombing, shaking the violence-stricken city of Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, and one activist sees that as an indication of an Islamic presence in Mexico and the Mexican-American border.Juarez, a city plagued by extreme violence and bloodshed, has been home to drug-traffickers and gangs who afflict citizens' daily lives with rising hostility. But despite President Felipe Calderon's attempts to quench the bloodshed by dispatching troops to Juarez, the violence has only increased. This particular attack exhibits tactics similar to those utilized by terrorists in the Middle East, which one activist sees as an indication of an Islamic presence in Mexico and the Mexican-American border. Brigitte Gabriel, author and founder of ACT! for America, believes Islam and immigration are closely related. She joins intelligence officials in pointing out that drug cartels are working with terrorist organizations like Hezbollah in order to infiltrate the United States.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Security/
Problem is, she is a liar and a hate monger
Speaking as a native Arab and a professional journalist, Brigitte Gabriel offers a first hand account of her personal experiences in the opening salvos of Islamic Jihad towards the Western world in the Middle East. Ms. Gabriel grew up in South Lebanon as the only child of a retired Christian governing administrator of the region and a successful businessman. Her Arabic society, culture and media taught her that Israel and Jews were the devil. As she turned 10, war broke out pitting the combined forces of militant Moslems and Palestinians against the Christian Lebanese.
In the Lebanese civil war, Ms. Gabriel found herself in the first attack, beyond the Arab/Israel conflict, of Islamic Jihad against non-Moslems and the West. A barrage of Moslem rockets exploded in her house leaving her wounded and buried under the rubble. Her family lost everything and was forced to live the next seven years in an underground bomb shelter with little food, water or electricity.
In 1982 Ms. Gabriel's mother became seriously wounded, Israel was the only place to go for medical attention. For her mother, the trip to a hospital in Israel was a life-saving experience. For Brigitte it was a life changing experience. She saw the Israelis demonstrate respect, humanity, compassion and generosity that she didn't know existed beyond her immediate family. She realized she was fed nothing but a fabricated lie by her government about the Jews and the Israeli people. She had to return to Lebanon to take care of her elderly parents but vowed that one day she would return to Israel. Brigitte kept that promise and more. She returned to Israel two years later and started working in Jerusalem as a journalist.
http://www.intelligencesummit.org/speakers/BrigitteGabriel.php
Rolla – She doesn't have any business stiring up trouble here. Every thing you wrote about her may all be true, her life experience has colored her view of the World and that is understandable. I just don't agree with her view on Mexico and I believe she is promoting an ideal that will create problems. Muslims are not operating in Mexico, for her to say such things only feeds the fear mongers in the United States and makes our relations with our neighbors more difficult.
If there is some fear of Muslims it would be in Canada on our Northern border. They have a large population of Muslims and your hero can go stir up trouble there instead here in my home on the Mexican border.
Earlier research on immigrant integration policies in the Netherlands shows a movement towards cultural assimilation. A general sense that the integration of immigrants has failed has led recent cabinets to develop demands that immigrants, both new and old, learn not only the Dutch language but also assimilate into Dutch culture.
http://www.cri.uci.edu/
Dutch people are racist!!! So let us not talk about their racist policies!!!
I've lived and worked in the Middle East. If you want to talk about "racism", try being a Christian in a Muslim country.
Christian ins't a race.
Tom, neither is 'Dutch'
Clean your mind of all the prejudice and brainwashing you received, do a little bit of self-criticism. Israel created the religious clash to benefit from it in various ways. Otherwise, you show Muslims as evil, but just look at how many Muslims Christians killed and how many Christians Muslims killed. You may attempt to justify murders of tens of thousands of Muslims but they are all bogus reasonings. Case will be instantly closed, you are far worse than them. Don't assume that you are right and you are better, you are just playing the game carefully but God sees things as they are and doesn't buy games, you will be on the queue for payback.
HEIDI – Follow your own advice.
As an American married to a Dutchman–I'm not sure what you are saying. Holland has ALWAYS required people speak Dutch and due to the colonies in Indonesia and Africa (Tanzania for one) the people have met that criteria anyway. I did not speak Dutch in 1993 but was told that in order to live in Holland with my Dutch Husband I had to be able to answer all the questions put to me for residency and that all answers and questions would be in Dutch
> I did not speak Dutch in 1993 but was told that in order to live in Holland with my Dutch Husband I had to be able to answer all the questions put to me for residency and that all answers and questions would be in Dutch
US has the same requirement for citizenship, so it is only fair.
Immigration is a personal decision. However, once many people make the decision to leave their home country, the flow of immigrants takes on a life of its own. This immigration dynamic is hard, if not impossible, to stop. Immigrants choose to go to destinations with which they are acquainted and about which they have heard from friends and relatives who immigrated previously. Such destinations provide informal support structures and social networks. This leads to a situation where immigrants from a certain home area all congregate in a certain area in the host country, thereby leading to immigrant ghettoes. In the United States, for example, Minneapolis-St. Paul has become an unlikely immigrant ghetto for Somalis, and Los Angeles—"Tehrangeles"—is an immigrant destination for Iranians.
In Belgium, similarly, immigrants from the Turkish city of Emirdağ and its vicinity settled in Brussels and Ghent. [8] According to one emigrant from Emirdağ, it is common knowledge that family and friends live on the same street or neighborhood in Belgium as they do "back home."[9] In the Netherlands, many of the Moroccans come from the Rif mountain town of al-Hoceima; Bangladeshis, mostly coming from the northeastern Sylhet area, came to the United Kingdom and settled in the East London boroughs, particularly in Tower Hamlets. Pakistanis, mostly from Kashmir and the Punjab, settled in Birmingham, with another large concentration in Bradford. The immigrants who first came to the country set the way for their compatriots to follow. Pakistanis, Vietnamese, and more recently, Iraqis, are the largest groups of non-European immigrants in Norway. North Africans and Albanians make up the largest groups in Italy. The more people emigrate from a certain town or village, the more likely it becomes that their neighbors or their neighbors' children will follow in their path. The immigration dynamic means that entire generations of children in villages and towns across the Third World grow up knowing that they are likely to immigrate in the future, either by marrying a cousin or by other means.
http://www.meforum.org
Hiring by Canada of South African nurses whose training was paid for by the South African government to help amidst the AIDS crisis is not moral and ethical because it results in "pluralism". Poor countries need human capital, which they cannot afford if rich countries always poach everyone they invest in. Conversely, rich countries like Canada and the US need to develop their own capital, which they have no incentive to do if they can get it for free. Their own people become lazy, poor, and stupid.
America doesn't believe in paying for anything. That is why Americans have been stealing things for over 400 years
You should include Canada and the USA also hiring Philippino medical staff, nurses, orderlies, etc. My local hospital has about 1/2 of the staff from the Philippines. Hard workers, trained in English and nice people. They export their people around the world to work. If they didn't the country would probably go bankrupt and I see America hiring a lot of them too.
Actually, Canada has the highest post secondary participation rate per capita in the G7. So it generates a lot of university graduates. But what the heck – if it wants to get even more educated people from outside the country, why not?
An Arab Business Conference was held in Doha, Qatar 25 February 2012. Although it was generally ignored in the western press, there were a few snippets of information about it here and there.
One interesting aspect of the conference was the call for racial discrimination against non-Arabs in employment. The conference called on Arab governments to strengthen their economic cooperation, grant good conditions to businessmen and replace foreign employees with Arabs.
Imagine the international outcry is there were calls in Europe to sack non-Europeans and replace them with Europeans. But if you're an Arab, such discrimination is OK it seems.
http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.cal
Anyone who criticizes Islam in Kuwait can soon again find themselves on the gallows. A corresponding bill that provides for the death penalty for blasphemy will be shortly approved in an overwhelming majority by the parliament of the islamic country. Up until now, opinion criminals were threatened “only” with incarceration.
http://www.pi-news.org
Don't kid yourself, America could become the same way, even without Islamist
Hurray, dear pedophile, your dream has come true, a glorious future is before you – you only have to convert to Islam! Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al Sheikh said in London that little girls aged from ten to 12 years are ready for marriage. Children in this age are occasionally little brats, get on their parents nerves, etc. But what I know for certain is this: little girls in this age are anything but ready for matrimony.
Furthermore, Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al Sheikh said: “Our mothers and grandmothers were married when they were just 12 years old. Good child-rearing causes a girl to fulfill all duties in a marriage.” (sic!)
The following was further stated in the article:
To that effect, conservative Saudi Arabia finds itself under pressure to raise the minimum age for marriage after international criticism was exercised over cases in which children were married to old men. For example, the “Saudi Human Rights Commission” (a state organization) consulted an attorney in order to push the divorce of a 12-year-old girl from her 80-year-old husband.
So far, so good. But where are the feminists? Where is their great outcry? There is deafening silence in the country. Mrs. Schwarzer, please take over!
Cedric Winkleburger
No blacks,no mexicans, no terrorists ,no nazis , no germans ,no arabs , no asians , no muslims , no hispanics . This is the only way to keep this great country safe and strong.
Only dogs are allowed.
Good for you
And, as it would appear by more blurb, narrow-minded with apparent racist undertones like yourself. The only aspect of your comment I agree with are terrorists or neo-nazis. Absolutely, keep them out. But to lump in a mixed bag of nationalities and races is otherwise thought-less and irresponsible. Consider after all that the educational qualifications of U.S. students continue going down... So, where do you get qualified individuals to contribute to economic well-being, and ultimately, yes, the safety of this country, as you put it. The answer: through a progressive immigration policy.
Too bad someone didn't stop your family long ago
The US became great because those who immigrated here became "Americans". Assimilation did indeed make this country strong. We grew together from different backgrounds because of assimilation. Now we grow separately and the country grows weaker.
This country is growing weaker because we have over regulated ourselves with enviromental laws that no one else in this world have to worry about. The over regulationing of our industry has cost it to disappear because it added to the cost of the product and we could no longer compete in the world as an industrial nation. When we lost our industrial base, we lost our status and wealth.
Just the master race, in other words. But since you don't want Nazis, I guess that means you're out, too.
So this is an empty land, not a country.
If some new religion popped up and killed tens of thousands of Christians, how much would you like them? How much anger would you have towards them? How much revenge would you be seeking?
That's exactly what you Christians did to Muslims, you invaded their countries with bogus reasons, you massacred them in scores, you destroyed their countries, you made them suffer, and you acted as if you're the right side on top. Yet, you don't give them any right to be mad and seek revenge, they are wrong no matter what. You are brainwashed beyond recovery, while you would do the same or more if you were in their situation, you are self-righteous judgmental pos.
Indeed; what about the Moorish invasions of 720 and 732 A.D.; the sack of Rome in 786A.D. or the Golden Hored invasions of Russia betwen 1000 and 1453 A.D., the conquest of Serbiia in 1389 A.D. and the destruction of Constaniniople n 1453A.D. How far back do you wish to take your anti-Christian and Antii-European hostility. History cannot be undone. Learn from it, live and move on.
WHILE WERE AT IT LETS GET RID OF RELIGIOUS GROUPS, ESPECIALLY CATHOLICS,AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSE ANY FORMS OF POPULATION MANAGEMENT,I.E. ABORTION,BIRTH CONTROL,PANNED PARENTHOOD AND THE HYPOCRITICAL POLITICIANS WHO PANDER TO THEM.
It wouldn't be so bad if they came here to HELP America progress. Sadly, they use any power they have to help their "people" or home countries. Most hispanic politicians want to help the hispanic population, not United States Citizens in general.
It's is stealing. Pure and simple
Our immigration policy should have been like Australias case closed.
It was, and now neither country has it. Go to Antarctica. Nobody will miss you.
"Thoughtful" would be the last word that would come to mind with Kris Kobach and an immigration policy...
In my county, citing budget restraints, virtually ALL remedial education & gifted programs have been discontinued EXCEPT for those serving foreign born students. Why are we severely NEGLECTING our own BEST & BRIGHTEST young people then insisting we "NEED" to import foreigners? THE GREATEST PERIOD OF ECONOMIC GROWTH OCCURRED WHEN IMMIGRATION LEVELS WERE A FIFTH OF WHAT THEY ARE TODAY. That was when The United States prioritized educating our own children. SO, WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR HOME GROWN, UNEDUCATED, UNEMPLOYED YOUNG PEOPLE – KICK THEM TO THE GUTTERS? There's a way to have prosperity on both sides of our borders & it's NOT through mass migration. (You're welcome to reply, but I won't be here to read them: just letting you know)
My sentiments exactly. Immigration and Globalization have brought us just what Ross Perot warned us about. We are well on our way to having and Aristocracy and an "untouchable" class. Our economy serves only a few and the rest berely eek out a subsistence living. Its disgusting and its downright dangerous. ( I still don't believe Walker legitimately won that election – we'll see if a whistlblower has the courage to come forward?) I for one will not vote for anyone who promotes more immigration or more globalization.
As a business immigration lawyer licensed to practice in both Canada (BC) and the U.S. (WA), I am saddened by the U.S. Congress' inability to address and correct our broken immigration system. I have seen firsthand the results of Canada's nimbleness in proactively anticipating its immigration needs and legislating accordingly. The result? Canada consistently scoops the best and brightest while the U.S. dumps them. Imposing the draconian H-1B quota was one of the worst moves Congress could make and, IMHO, led to the mass export of U.S. jobs overseas. Effective immigration reform seems to be beyond congressional capabilities and will only come from administrative action.
So, you don't see any greed or social problems resulting in chasing lower wages huh? How compassionate? Maybe every American that loses his income to a "guest" worker should be made to wear a star?
You are wrong. Every one of these Visa applicants take a job away from a US citizen. I know plenty of engineers out of work and can't find jobs. Many take contract jobs with no insurance or any benefits and live paycheck to paycheck because of these people
It isn't the fault of the Immigrants, it is the gready American companies doing all they can to suck the life blood from every employee and pay them as little as possible. Blame the right people,
those dam quotas must be bad for business,maybe you should change your area of law practice to help unemployed US citizens get some federal assistance help.
Or take A few Asian countries. Their economies faltered and they sent most of their guest workers home.
Ask Bloomberg if he's only in favor of immigration because of the cheap labor. After all, his company is near the top in importing cheap foreign slaves through the h-1b program. This is at a time of 10% unemployment for American citizens. Also, what would he say if the failed Times Square bomber and h-1b holder Faisal Shahzad had succeeded in his plan? Would he still be in favor of "no limit" for these cheap foreign workers?
The U.S definately needs help realizing that immigration by people who are not criminals... drug traffickers and what not is good.
The American immigration policy is the most insane in the world. It is easier and much cheaper for a person who was here legally, to eventually prove they were resdients for a long time, to become legal than it is for a successful student in a needed profession. We should be making it easier for the educated immigrant to enter here after school, and more difficult for businesses to hire illegals who in the end, cost the country billions. There is no sense to how it works.
US will never have a sane immigration policy. Americans hate immigrants, even the legal ones. They are seen as "taking away good jobs". Of course, it is much easier to blame somebody for you problems than acknowledge that you are lazy and may be not too smart because you didn't study in school. And now nobody wants to hire you.
Immigrants actually create jobs by spending their money in the US and creating demand for US goods and services. But good luck trying to convince an average american of that.
Please tell that to an engineer who lost his job to an H1b visa who is willing to work 60 plus hours per week and earn half what the US born engineer was making. Business groups will have Americans fooled into thinking that immigrants only take jobs that no one else will do, but that is not true. Most work longer hours for less money. Its a multibillion dollar scam.
Galactus, I came to the US on H1B. I had 75K job from a start with 5 years epxerience in the field. That is a good slary. My company had to wait 6 months for my paperwork, paid lawyer fees and what not. If there was an american willing to work for these 75K they would've hired him/her. I don't know where that hypotetical engineer was at the time.
I had other options like Canada , Austrlia or Germany. US offered and opportunity and I took it. I could've gone to Canda but your government on yor behalf offered me citizenship for my skills. And I am not going to feel guilty about some engineer not being able to hold his job. Because if you lose a job to someone who is not native-english speaker and comes with all kinds of strings attached, the sad truth is – you are not a good engineer and have nobody to blame but yourself.
And the best way to fix this is stop the Corporate takeover of America. Top corporate people are buying the elections. Listen to all the talk about "regulations". It is about putting greed over safe water, greed fields, and the fresh smell in the air we breathe. And as they take over, they will continue to reduce wages and benefits to increase profits for their investors. The rich plan for the rich to get richer. Find a politician who doesn't take money from a Super PAC to vote for and you have a better chance of saving this country.
We need illegal immigration enforcement in the United States, not immigration debate. The United States already has too many people living here. Since 1986 the United States has failed to enforce the law. We now have over 11 million illegal aliens living in the United States and a Federal Government that turns a blind eye to these criminals. Why can't the Federal Government just do its job and enforce the law?
No all-bays!
Only 40% of them are Mexican, what are you going to do with the rest?
I agree with you that we urgently need illegal immigration enforcement in the United States. The United States has failed to enforce the law. Why can't the Federal Government do its job? Hard working, honest citizens end up paying for those who break the law and abuse the system.
Because some illegals pay taxes without being able to collect refunds, and that money goes to the government. Stupid, greedy, dysfunctional federal government.
Galactus you can thank Ronald Reagan for the non-enforcement of immigration laws in 1986,they were passed over his objections and he convinced the house of rep. not to fund the enforcement of them.he also objected to prop.87 passed by Calif. voters and pressed the Supreme Court to over rule it.later other presidents just kicked the can down the road and here we are today,question is where will we be after the 2012 pres. elections.
Yes, they get the smart talented educated ones and we get the stupid , illiterate ones that need government services to survive. The Democrats like having a dependent voter base.
All those countries still protect its citizens from Immigrants. In the US – the US Government protects even illegall immigrants from US citizens. US gov. reauthorized V A W A again – a higly u n c o n s t i t u t i o n a l law that protects even criminal immigrants from Russia, Ukraine, Mexico. Under this law, a woman needs to claim "abuse" by a US citizen and she gets a Green Card in two weeks, even if she is a c r i m i n a l or illegall. C o n g r e s knows about it but gets paid by VAWA
US immigration system for highly skilled individuals is broken because it separates families. US green card holders cannot marry foreign spouses and bring them to US (unless you are first willing to live a separate life for five years). Do you hold an advanced degree, are highly skilled, are in your late 20s or early 30s and thinking of immigrating to US? Think twice. If you immigrate, your green card will NOT allow you to go back to your home country, find a spouse to marry and bring them to the United States. Only US citizens have those rights. As a green card holder, you can marry, but your spouse will have to wait for 4-5 years in your home country - so much for an immigration systems that supposedly favors families. This is not just for India, China, etc., it applies to ALL countries in the world. Essentially, the US government will dictate to you that you can only love and marry an American spouse. I am a US green card holder in this situation. I am European (not from a poor country) and I like the United States, but I am very unhappy about this aspect of America, to the point that I may leave US for this reason. Other nations, Canada, Australia, even Switzerland, are much better in this regard.
The system is screwed from top to bottom. I spend thousands per year trying to be a good guy and do things right and all I get is more regulation and grief from idiot government workers.
The only way to make immigration work is to stop all immigration into the U.S. It is time that we call America a no-vacancy country. Conversely any American giving up their citizenship should never be allowed to return to the U.S.
Your public school education is showing
maybe our public school system would function better if it didn't have to so many illegal immigrants children in it, and have to teach in several non-English languages,get it,smaller classroom sizes and taught in only one language.how was the public education system in your country of origin?
I would say anyone who can't show at least 1/8 Native American heritage should go ...
First things first. I am get paid more than an American and i am on h1b. So I havent taken ur job. I am just better and worked my @ss off while u guys were getting drunk in college. Infact when i was studying in college here, a lot of folks were just wasting time in parties and do nothing in life. I was working hard during all that time. Second, I have a college degree I paid for in the US. Give me all that money back and I will give u ur blessed job. Also give me all the money gone all these years in taxes in the US because why should I pay taxes when folks here want me to get out. Give me all that effort I put in I will give u back ur job which u will obviously suck at since all I see most americans doing are rock and roll or bars. Very few have made it good for themselves and they are the ones I have never face problems with. When some industry worker here tells me I took his job, I crack up because I dont even work in his industry. Thats how dumb a lot of folks are here.
Are you trying to compare yourself to an average American? That would not be fair.
Because that doesn't even sound like an average Indian.
average Indian talking*.
Just go to India then. Why are you crying and still sitting here in the US? Yo need to improve India – people in India don't even have footware, but then come to the US brag how good they are.
Well, let me tell you, yu little poo bag of sluck...we are working on getting rid of you and all your....you are not better, and obviously you have diffeent standards and don't fit in....we are working on getting rid of you...and your"Kind" who do nothing for America except be pararsites.....parasitic stink bomb...go home....be better over there....we don't need you...becasue we usually figure things out better than others anyway...you jujst stole a place from someone else that was laready here so, no thanks for the no thanks....we notice, an olde American who has multiple degrees, no loans and excelled at them all, becuase WE CAN....think you are special? what jr college did you go to? get rid of this one!
Come on, get your blood pressure up higher. He's going to live better and longer than you.
You make my head hang in shame. Why don`t you go back to India then?
Hey A holes. I paid through college, paid taxes and I have publications so i aint going anywhere. Why dont u leave? Being born here is not a priviledge. Even criminals and murderers are born here. That doesnt make them better.
Who are you to tell us about privileges in the U.S.? Count yourself lucky to be here, and respect those whose ancestors made the country the kind of place that people like you want to take advantage of.
You get paid more than "AN" American? Which one? You claim to have studied a lot and worked hard, but the civility that comes with a good education is missing. You chose to come to USA to study, I don't think anyone begged you to come here. You paid taxes for the privileges that you used in this country – the amenities that the government provides at different levels. You could try to get your tax money back when you return "usage" of all the amenities. Publications of some papers does not make anyone better, are those publications of any use or just for academic grades? Anyone could compile a few sentences from different places and pass it off as a publication. I am not saying you did that, but there are cases where that happened. When an Industry Worker tells you took his job, he/she means in very general terms was outsourced to a country that has lower costs of manufacturing. And you have been cracking up all this time thinking he meant you? Hopefully you wont crack up next time you hear it otherwise you would be called a "crack"
. And maybe time for another education?
Indians continuously take American jobs in very high numbers. Immigration is fine as long as it's fair, a reasonable amount of people should come from all world nations. However, there is an extreme flood from India and China which needs to stop. This is also in addition to their high production rates wherever they live. And their cultures, food, hygiene levels, clothing, music, nothing is at all compatible with that of the United States. These are just facts, posting them is not my bad, I'm just the messenger.
I was told at job fair that I can be hired because I am a citizen. Many indian companies only hire people with H1 visa to make money and openly discriminate againt U.S citizens.
Hey, the government and white settlers took away the Indians way of life. period. Forced the Indian children to learn a foreign language, took there land, tried for genocide by killing all men, women, children when they came upon there tee pees. And you are whining about takeing away a job. Get real.
I agree. Try getting a job with an Indian company. Good luck. They only hire indians. When it comes to culture, Indians are the most cunning.
Indians continuously take American jobs in very high numbers.
"Take"? It was not lying somewhere and I picked it up. Someone asked me to do it, so maybe you should say Indians are "given" American jobs.
Immigration is fine as long as it's fair, a reasonable amount of people should come from all world nations.
There is a diversity lottery that allows people from different countries to come to US. But then that is by nationality and not by profession. How will that fill IT jobs that people from India/China/Europe/East Asia do?
However, there is an extreme flood from India and China which needs to stop.
"Needs to stop"? you say it as if some authority that let them in.
This is also in addition to their high production rates wherever they live.
Oh? Some proof? Indians are the ones impregnating women and then leaving single mothers behind before moving on to other women. I am yet to meet an Indian family that has more than 2 kids.
And their cultures, food, hygiene levels, clothing, music, nothing is at all compatible with that of the United States.
Compatible with US? Different I agree but could you please enlighten me as to how it it not compatible?
These are just facts, posting them is not my bad, I'm just the messenger.
Facts have proof. Though you are the messenger, since you claim these are facts I am assuming you have some proof too. Like some websites that have statistics atleast on these "facts"?
But the fact is that NOBODY here wants to go to your country, yet all of you want to come to the U.S. - and bring half of your relatives along once you gain a foothold. There are just too many Indians here, and yes, you are taking our jobs, especially in the IT industry. And most of you are next to impossible to understand.
Unprecedented mass immigration, brought about by elites seeking cheap labor and cheap votes, is turning the U.S. into an overcrowed, low-wage, Third World society where any semblance of genuine national community is gone.
Want proof? Look at California, the state most heavily impacted by immigration. Before the present wave of mass immigration, it led the nation in virtually every measure of social and economic desirability. Now look at it. And can anyone honesty deny that immigration has been a major contributer to the decline?
The demographic changes since 1965 may be gratifying to sheltered billionaires like Mayor Bloomberg. But they give no comfort to the huddled masses of middle and working class Americans who yearn to breathe free in a country they can recognize as their own.
Actually to get into the USA as well as most countries, you have to be healthy. Canada for example even wants a TB test and recent chest x-ray. And actually again, I have to correct you, Canada has an open border, as does much of Europe, if you are skilled, or even unskilled. Instead of sealing us up like inside Fortress America, we should do what Europe does. If you are qualified to work here, then come on in. If you have skills and are a professional, come on in. We already have enough gardeners and babysitters, I am talking professional people. What does having return fare to do with immigrating to a foreign country? You have to have proof of a return ticket if you come here too, if you are asked to produce it. If not, you can be denied entry. I have no problem with most of your comments, I do have a problem with your total lack of knowledge though. I know you were trying to make an educated comment, but.....
You are right John! I live in California and believe me it has went from bad to worse over the years because the politicians and their buddies the big businesses wanting cheap foreign labor,and getting it.It's getting to where a
citizen Man Woman or young people (high school grads) can't get a job because of the influx of foreigners.. In our area it is mostly Mexican and East Indians who have the jobs.
Mayor Bloomberg doesn't have a clue or like most rich people "doesn't care". Fareed Z. sure picked the wrong person
to have on his show about immigration. He evidently didn't do much researching the subject. He should have had
some one to rebut Bloomberg, like for instance Roy Beck from Numbers USA who knows alot about Legal and illegal
immigration. I'm sure he must know who Roy Beck is as i'm sure he has been on CNN before. Or he could have shown
the movie "The Come To America" made by Dennis Michael Lynch. Everyone should see this movie. I got it from Numbers USA. You can also buy it or see it on You Tube. Also if anyone is interested you can join NumbersUSA.com
to help try to change our broken unfair to Americans immigration system
john you are right calif.was once a great place to live,visit,work,then for some strange and bizarre reason the voters of calif. lost their minds and elected Ronald Reagan,but that wasn't enough so they elected Arnold(I'll be back).who is the next governor to bring the state down,maybe you guys can elect FAREED.
One side of immigration policies is not being discussed at all. Immigrants to European countries have a problem to overcome: The language of the country they are immigrating to. No matter what education the immigrants have they will not get a job before they speak the native language (Dutch, German, Danish, Swedish ....) and the immigrant just end up on welfare until the language is learned. It is not enough with only English even though it is required in most jobs in Northern Europe. In Scandinavia students have years of English, German and French classes before they even go to university.
What you forgot to mention is that these countries offer language courses to the new immigrants, as well as culture courses. Look at Israel for example. A bunch of Russian and African Jews have immigrated, and can't speak a word of Hebrew. Israel gets them into school as quickly as possible. And as for your immigrants to Europe comments, these are totally untrue. I know of a ton of people who didn't speak the European language who found good paying jobs (these were professionals) and they got by fine in English until they got the local language down. Europeans right now are marrying from different countries, example the husband is French the wife is German. They children will speak English, French and German. Thousands of couples are doing this. Dutch with Norwegian, Polish and Danish, and English is becoming the unofficial second language in most major cities now over there. Why don't you go over there and check it out for yourself? And you'll see.
Grace, I don't have to go over there since I am Scandinavian and married to somebody who is not. I don't consider somebody from another EU country an immigrant. Of course there are lots of non EU immigrants that are learning the local language. To get welfare as a immigrant in Scandinavia one of the requirements is that you take lessons. That does not change the reallity that many immigrants from outside Europe and US that are not profesionals can't get a job. Many immigrants with high educations have to go to university again because the their degree is not accepted like in health care. What you say about unofficial second language in most major cities is completely wrong except for a the countries that have had several languages for centuries.
By the way if it is that easy why has there not been a migration of people from Spain and Greece where there has been high unemployment for years to Northern Europe where the unemployment is only 5-6%. There are open borders within the EU but the work force is not moving like in the US. Main reason: language!
Force every immigrant to learn English before being qualified for a job and the problem is solved, huh? Makes sense in a way.
I have no problem letting EDUCATED, HEALTHY people in to live and work, provided they have a job waiting and that it didn't take a job from an American. I oppose open borders and the idea that we are one world. Until all nations decide that they don't want to dominate or rule the rest of humanity, then most immigration is a joke. The countries cited in the article are generally uniformed and aliens stand out, or are strict about you haveing return fare, a job , being healthy etc. NO ONE but us has an open border the way we do, but then we are the home of greed and stupidity.
You are discriminating against poor, uneducated Hispanics who mow lawn and pick fruits/vegetables for the sake of our fellow Americans. Seriously, the immigration and naturalization laws in this country are fricking stupid.
We must round up all the illegals, just like President Eisenhower did back in 1953, with state and local law enforcement help. A tracking chip needs to be injected in their buttocks and then they get kicked out of the country, with all their money confiscated to pay for further law enforcement. If they are foolish enough to come back and break our laws, they will spend 10 years hard labor on a chain gang in the desert and they will be sent back where they came from. We can stop this problem in its tracks right now, but first, the un-American, liberal, left-wing Demoncrats must be dealt with.
Oh, come on, don't pretend like a political affiliation is the only problem in the U.S.
Rob, I don't know you, but I love you. You're my kind of guy.
Rob I don't know you, but I love you. You're my kind of guy.
Well my friends, as a Texan married to a Mexican-American girl, I can say definitively that we are drowning in illegal alien hordes in this state and even my wife is outraged. Here in Houston, we have an illegal alien now on trial for running over and killing a Houston PD officer despite two prior deportations. I have read of three who are now on death row for multiple homicides here in Houston. The list goes on and on. And the press still wants us to believe, "They're poor simple people who are only here to take the jobs nobody else wants". What total BS. They arrogantly violate our laws, drive drunk, and commit burglaries and murders. What nobody wants to say is that the wealthy Mexicans don't need the trash that are coming here. Why should they? They've got it made!
Intelligent Mexican-Americans are a minority.
John, your 100% correct. Something has to be done. As soon as Obama and Holder are removed from power in November, we can begin to correct the damage the liberal Democrats have done to this country and begin defending the borders/country like they should be defended.
We can decrease our border from 2,000 miles to 99 miles!
Most agree that the majority of the U.S. immigration problem stems from the border we share with Mexico (nearly 2000 miles). A fence will not work! The border is just too long.
Since the 1980's violent Mexican cartels have flooded the U.S. economy with illegal drugs. Recent violence in Juarez, Mexico has often spilled over onto to U.S. soil. These cartels are murdering civilians and government officials and should be treated as terrorists!
We need to take a page from Thomas Jefferson and look into purchasing Mexico for a few Pesos. It may be bold action but, should the offer be refused and the terrorist activity continue, the U.S. should INVADE AND OCCUPY MEXICO. Mexico could be the 51st U.S. state. Amnesty for everyone! Extend our border to Panama.
The earliest Muslim immigrants came as slaves from Africa beginning perhaps as early as 1501. Their absolute numbers are open to substantial disagreement, with one foremost scholar, Allan D. Austin, putting their number at 40,000 (for the United States alone) and another, Sylviane Diouf, estimating 2.25 and 3 million (for the Americas as a whole).2 The slave-owners sometimes appreciated and rewarded their literate Muslim slaves but they despised the religion of Islam and did what they could to prevent it from passing from one generation to the next. As a result, except in vestigial forms (one group of Trinidadian Baptists engage in practices to the present that recall Islamic ritual), the religion disappeared by the 1860s, or two generations after the import of slaves ceased.
They weren't muslim back in 1502. Hahahahahahaha
Islam began at two different times: one from the followers of Islam and one from historians. Etymologically, the word Islam comes from the arabic verb “aslama.” While aslama literally means “to accept, surrender or submit,” for the purpose of the religion Islam, this meaning translates into an acceptance, a surrender and a submission to the one God, Allah. Followers of Islam, also called Muslims, believe that Islam has always been in the world, and that there is no beginning date. However, most historians ascribe the beginning of Islam during the lifetime of the Prophet Mohammed who lived during the 6th and 7th Centuries, from 570 to 632 A.D.
Despite what GOP freaks might think, they don't have universal solutions for the nation's problems. Neither do Democrats. We need a third party that is devoid of knuckleheads.
I AGREE WITH YOU,NEITHER PARTY HAS OR WANTS TO DEAL WITH IMMIGRATION.WE NEED ELECTED OFFICIALS WITH COURAGE, CONVICTION,HONESTY AND WHO ARE WILLING TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS.CALL IT A THIRD OR FORTH OR EVEN FIFTH PARTY,OR SOON WE MAY BE CALLING IT A REVOLUTION OR 21st CENTURY CIVIL WAR.PLEASE NO LEADERS WITH RELIGIOUS TIES(SUCH AS THE POPE,BECAUSE HE IS A JOKE).
I picked up the following info from Wiki. Most Arab immigrants in Brazil were Christians, the Muslims being a small minority in comparison to them. Intermarriage between Brazilians of Arab descent and other Brazilians, regardless of ethnic ancestry or religious affiliation, is very high; most Brazilians of Arab descent only have one parent of Arab origin. As a result of this, the new generations of Brazilians of Arab descent show marked language shift away from Arabic. Only a few speak any Arabic, and such knowledge is often limited to a few basic words. Instead the majority, especially those of younger generations, speak Portuguese as a first language.
Several weeks before the massacre in Norway, CBN News travelled to Oslo to investigate reports that that nation's experiment with Muslim immigration and multiculturalism had gone terribly wrong, that Muslim radicalism was growing along with violence and intimidation against non-Muslims.
Forfatteren er religionsforsker, forfatter og samfunnsdebattant. I denne boka forteller forfatteren om sin barndom i Kongo og hennes møte med Norge i voksen alder. Hun skriver om snillisme, rasisme mot hvite, middelmådighet, mangelen på respekt for den tradisjonelle norske kulturen og troen på Gud.
Most people that comment on immigration have no clue about immigration especially American citizens, they have no facts and base their opinions on what they "heard".
Almost 50% of Fortune 500 companies that employ Americans have been created by immigrants some sort many of the Fortune 500 are being held together by immigrants. So to say anything that immigrants don't give back is bogus. If it wasn't for immigrant America would not be where it is today.
In addition America was solely build by immigrants those that fled prosecution from their church, in search for a better life that was the basis of America and the pilgrims. But the Americans today tend to forget that, just because you may have been born here doesn't make it your history. The history of America is based on exploitation of immigrants such as enslaving blacks, the Chinese for their built of the Rail Road, the Indians, etc. So I find it very comical to hear any American citizen to talk negatively about immigration because this is the nucleus of America.
Please believe that other countries will adopt certain American policies especially Western European countries in aspect of becoming what America is today and its entrepreneurship. China and India already have a mean start as far as goes on business. Keep thinking that Americans can bring America back, I don't think so, the culture of exploitation is going to be the set back because using cheaper labor elsewhere made them dependent on it and the expertise is gone with it.
AGAIN – legal immigrant and illegal immigrant, not the same thing. Having a large immigrant population is nothing like having a large illegal immigrant population.
But Canada also lets in all kinds of undesirables to its country. A disproportionately high amount of the crimes in the urban areas are committed by immigrants (particularly from the Caribbean, Africa and Asia). So Canada is not doing that great a job with immigration afterall.
Crime is not due to immigrants. It is due to lack of adequate law enforcement.
please explain this to me,crime is due to what(inadequate law enforcement),or maybe you meant to laws,if you have no laws how could you have any crime.what country do you live in where there is such a lack of law enforcement?
That was the stupidiest statement on the Internet today.
Had visited Toronto recently – hardly believe it was in Canada. Thought I was in some third world country. Our cultural Marxist goats have been hard at work over the past several decades destroying societies in Canada (US, Aus, UK). All under the motto Diversity is our Greatest Strength! A motto coin by ADL's Abe Foxman.
Canadians should be well aware of the lengths some people are willing to go to forge a better life: the harrowing trans-Pacific journey by Tamil refugee claimants made that clear. So Immigration Minister Jason Kenney is right to go directly to source countries in the fight against scam marriages, unscrupulous immigration consultants and human smugglers. Indeed, it will take a government-wide strategy, domestically and internationally, to combat the crime and fraud associated with the journey immigrants make to Canada, and Canada can't do it alone.
Employment based immigration process in US is not fair. People of some races/ countries are free to immigrate while others have to sacrifice their lives spending 6-10 years waiting for the immigration to process to complete. During this time their career is mercilessly is shut down in a cold storage. No matter what the credentials are- graduates from Chicago, Harvard, Stanford etc, the rigid immigration rules require them to give in to employer's harassment which again is a result of resentment towards the immigrant's (to be) credential and abilities.
Yes the immigration laws requires the individuals to work for the same employer for certain time periods and the immigration process is totally owned by the employer and can be revoked at any time by the employer.
Message is clear – thanks for paying taxes, SSN taxes, medicare taxes for 10 years, thanks for all the community service, congratulations for graduating from top school – now go back home.
What on earth is he talking about. Canada`s immigration policy sucks. Mass immigration with no proper screening and large segments of immigrants living segregated from the rest of society. Yay.
Reading the comments American write about Chinese, Blacks and Hispanics, Asians, I wonder who are the worst people on earth. Americans have been killing women and children around the world by carpet bombing their poor villages. Now that cold.
Your Name, my friend, is deeply biased.
Who's the "racist maggot" again?
You're too naive to think that politicians have time to get any policy right. They don't have time for this. They have to raise money to win next election. Thanks SCOTUS. We're having blast with our political system.
US – an immigrant society and a fractured one too.
The government has never done the will of the people instead have committed treason against the American people.
Immigration and Reform Control Act Amnesty of 1986 Amnesty for 2.8 million CRIMINALS
Amnesty of 1994 Rolling Amnesty for 578,000 CRIMINALS
The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act Amnesty of 1997 over 1 million CRIMINALS from central America
The Haitian Refugee Act of 1998 125,000 Criminals from Haiti
The Late Amnesty of 2000 400,000 CRIMINALS
The Life Act of 2000 Amnesty for over 1 million CRIMINALS
After living in the U.S. for 10 years the average Amnestied Criminal only had a 7th grade education and earned less than $9000.00 a year the net cost of the 1986 IRC amounted to over $78 Billion in the 10 years following that Amnesty. Some 70% of Americans oppose any amnesty. President Bush's January 2004 guest worker program directly caused a 15%-25% increase in criminals entering the U.S.
It is time to close the border these people come to this country and care nothing of our laws or traditions and expect us to conform to their ways, if you come to this country leave your ways back in your country or do not come here! This country used to be a melting pot,, now it has become a sewer because of all the foreign people that want to turn our country into their country that they left.
I think the bottom line here is that we cannot continue to ignore the problem. I really do not care what the solution is at this point, but it needs to be fixed. Our country cannot continue this way or we will fall. Fix the problem and then hold everyone accountable....isnt that why you were elected?
Look at the human history all great empires were made i.e. Roman, British, Mongol, Arabs after generations of hard work & then came down after the coming generations became lazier & more materialistic.
No doubt this country was built by hard working great people, most of whom are long gone.
What are we doing now, our kids are dropping out of high schools, if they are graduating & going to college instead of getting challenging degrees i.e. science, technology, engineering (immigrants are more in these fields) they want to do music, art etc so that they can party in spare time !! They are more interested in becoming the sports star, an American idol.
Don’t have to go far more then 50% of students doing phd in universities are immigrants, in science & technology the # is even higher. If we want to stay #1 we need the immigrants, we need to keep on importing the smartest brains from the world!!
Green Card Options for PhD Holders
In virtually all types of green card application, the foreign national seeking permanent residence must have a sponsor. Typically the sponsor is the applicant’s employer or there is some type of familial relationship. For certain PhD holders, or even PhD students, the foreign national can act as both the sponsor and the applicant.
The two paths to permanent residence that allow self-sponsorship are the EB-1 Alien of Extraordinary Ability category and the EB-2 National Interest Waiver (NIW) category. While both categories have stringent requirements, the Eb-1 category is much more restrictive and requires the applicant to prove that he or she is one of the top individuals in his or her area of expertise. Currently, there is no benefit to having an EB-1 application approved over an NIW application except for nationals of PR China and India. Unless bragging rights are important, most applicants would be better off applying through the NIW category because approvals are easier.
http://blog.messersmithlaw.com
Einstien was a german not an american. The man responsible for helping America to the moon was a nazi scientist. Why didnt they get expelled. Let me guess. They are too white enough for you?
My muslim friend, you do know that Einstein was Jewish-don't you?
Einstein was not a Nazi.
Oh, wait. Who was the man responsible for the US going to the moon? Not Einstein. You are trying to be clever, I get it.
Hahaha
Yeah. A map back to Mexico!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahaha
Immigration????? Just ask the native Indians what they think of immigration. They should have killed every one on the Mayflower as soon as it landed. So far, no Immigration policy has ever worked out. They end up killing your people and taking away everything, even there way of life.
You better leave then!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha
american indians are just not very bright, they sided with the wrong side , in every conflict or war that has ever taken place here from the beginning, enough is enough with this american indian bullsh-t, they lost, get over it.......... besides, white man was here around 3000 years before the american indian, there is physical proof......washington,state. so pack that in your peace pipe.......
What are you smoking or a utter hindu, ignorant, what ever it may be, sounds pretty strong. Sober up and post, you look very hindu, ignorant.
AS someone who tried to immigrate to the USA for over 5 years from the UK, spending weeks at a time flying over to go to interviews etc, plus applying on-line I am disappointed with the the US system I got certified to teach in Arizona but schools felt pressured to hire Americans even if I had more skills. It was also problematic as I was not always physically available for interview and they did not want to do Skype interviews.My husband was wanted by the prison services as he has a high security background and worked for the UK forces (he was based in Phoenix for a while, training American troops)., but as it was Federal he could not be sponsored. We eventually had to apply for Canada as we have family there and were able to applying under the skilled workers system. We would still move to Phoenix in a second, if they would do a points system. We brought a large sum of money into Canada, bought our house, cars etc, and are now working in good jobs so have an input into the economy plus our two kids love it here, and we are now all citizens.
Employers are trapped, unless you are a genius and head hunted, they want you to have the green card to be able to offer you a job, but you need the job to get a green card – catch 22.
I do though think that America has to take greater action against ILLEGAL immigrants. Why should anyone get to jump the line – do you have any idea how many people would love to come to America. Why just because someone is trying to escape a rough life should they be given extra rights. It angers people like us, who would contribute to the economy if just given that one chance. We could have taken the risk, stayed longer than our visa allowed, but we are law abiding citizens. Why are we being punished for following the law.
America needs to look at a new system – it is a vastly multicultural country depending which state you are in, but it is not welcoming enough to those who genuinely have something to offer America, and want to give and not receive.
Irene:
You seem to think that you have the RIGHT to become a laborer in the country of your choice. Why don't you work in your own country?
Because the US is full of dumb, lazy people like you who don't have the skills to fill positions where intelligence and skill are required. How dare you insult this person. You should be deported to North Korea. They will teach slime like you what it means to work for a living. I work with a guy from Ethiopia who does the work of three Americans. If push came to shove I would fire everyone else and keep him. Additionally, he is far more polite than most Americans I work with. He doesn't let his ego get in the way of his work.
Yes, the system definitely needs to be fixed. With a reformed system the US can attract the best and brightest.
Just ignore the dirt bags posting on here. They are probably just bitter because they are unemployed and have no skills to get a job paying above minimum wage. They somehow think that preventing you from immigrating will open up a job for them. The pitiful fools.....
Great post, Irene and a point well taken: What's the incentive for people to follow the rules, when they're punished for it and those who break them, see little to no negative consequences for doing so?
We are giving law-breakers - with their disreputable characters and dishonorable opportunism - the advantage over those who respect our laws, when we make it so difficult for people to come here lawfully and so easy to get-off scot-free, for illegally crossing our borders. I've heard this point mentioned before and I thoroughly agree with it: We are lessening our diversity by giving those who illegally immigrate here preference, simply because the country they are leaving is conveniently bordered near ours. How fair is that?
Ignore "Born Here". Most Americans are thrilled that people still hope to come here, think there is an advantage to working in America and even want to become citizens. But everyone should have a fair shake, not simply those who can walk from their homeland into America.
its economics,you and your husband would be paid a fair wage/salary and corporate America is looking for cheaper labor who wouldn't expect any benefits and would accept a lower wage.
"America is an immigrant society. What I was struck by, though, was a lot of other countries have learned our tricks and bettered them.
So, did you know, for example, that Canada has more foreign-born nationals than we do? "
This statement gives the impression that Canada is not an immigrant society, which of course is utterly untrue. The US didn't invent immigration for pete's sake.
Do some research Fareed. Canada is very picky in accepting immigrants. A skill is a must. Also, Chapel Hill had a mid-eastern mayor in the 70's. So about 3 decades ahead of the curve than those self-righteous Canadians.
Self-righteous? Not really. The story of Calgary's mayor is not a story about a Canadian city having a muslim mayor as so much as the story of an area of Canada, Alberta, being stereotyped as being as conservative as Texas when in fact that the city of Calgary didnt' fit that stereotype and were not the rednecks people assumed them to be. He is also fighting stereotypes of what a muslim is by purposely and publicly demonstrating that like other religions, there are degrees of faith. He attends the gay pride parade etc to show that. If telling this story ( although CNN is a US media outlet ) seems self-righteous then so be it.
Wondering how the mayor feels about all us infidels that are not converting? Sure would 've liked to hear that take.
You've got to listen more closely. Fareed said a muslim mayor of a major Canadian city. Calgary has a 1.1 million people. Chapel Hill has 57,000 people (I just looked that up.) The bigger the city, the more impressive it is to elect a minority person as a leader. That goes for Canada, the United States or any other country.
Fareed would be scratching his head after talking to the Kansas guy. Do yourself a favor, Fareed. Don't talk to people from those dumb states next time and you will live longer.
Sarah Palin's daughter or her ex-son-in-law or Snooki can be Kansas Secretary of State.
Just take a note of who cleans the public toilets. Would you prefer the job for the money? Who is stealing jobs from you?
The pay for those jobs would be a lot higher if the employers were not given an endless source of illegal labor coming from countries that don't have follow civilized law and order.
deniz,
I have done those jobs, so your argument is moot. Those types of jobs allowed me to get to college.
Nice try with that tired old cliche.
The critical thing as far as Australia is concerned at the moment is the numbers. Current levels of immigration are decimating our habitats, wildlife, standard of living and sending Australia bankrupt. There are many claims that this level of immigration benefits the people here, but these claims are serving a pro-growth agenda which essentially socialises the costs whilst privatising the profits. A balanced migration program that seeks to have emigration equivalent to immigration (including refugee intake) is in all of our interests – in fact, it would be sensible to cut Australia’s immigration to little more than 30,000 for several years as this would ease a lot of stress on our infrastructure and allow us to start making some headway on many other issues. This would also means we are more able to accommodate humanitarian needs. A point worth noting that’s often overlooked is that high immigration brings in a lot of consumers which increases our demand for foreign imports – this of course means we are having to sell more (usually of our mineral wealth) to service this growing debt – and this isn’t even starting on the growing costs of trying to maintain services to an increasing population. Estimates range between 250k – 500k per migrant in infrastructure costs and the reality is we are falling increasing behind in this respect.
O boy, hinduism absurdity of a hindu absurd, child of hindu's killer Europeans, one has to wonder what natives of Australia had to say, after seeing throngs of hungry hindus, criminals from Europe committing hinduism, terrorism against Natives of Australia and the environment. Learn to look at yourself before spewing your hinduism, absurdities about others.
Exactly. Why should it be the job of the Free World to support all the people who were born in backward countries and want to leave? Why can't the citizens of those countries be tasked with improving their own systems?
Since when is Australia going bankrupt? We have not had a recession, unlike most of the western world. We have had twenty years of growth. Our unemployment rate is 5%, the latest figures show a higher than expected rate of ecomonic growth. We are no more going bankrupt than Canada.
Wow, what a slanted report the ignores the facts...
Almost every country in Europe now regrets their open borders and almost unlimited immigration policies.
So does every country on this earth, hindu's criminals of Europe set their foot on to commit hinduism terrorism against the native population and plunder their resources..
Wolves in charge of chicken security. Immigration laws are made and enforced for Corporations to exploit for cheap and indentured labor. If we think the people in congress are thinking about the wellfare of the country or immigrants we are fools.
Exactamundo.
All those countries you mentioned? They have terrible immigration-related problems. Just like ours, only worse. The United States is no longer in a position where it needs to recruit a lot of new citizens. Quite the opposite. The world waited for US to build this ship, and now they all want a free ticket.
The fight is not over yet. We will need to import the best talent to stay ahead. We have to many lazy, uneducated, dirt bags in this country to be self sufficient.
Canada takes the educated ones, but we imports lowlifes and illegals.
We can't deport them because it is "Racial Profiling" per our wh 0re politicians and illegals.
Bigotry is its own reward. Let's see you fat slobs out picking vegetables.
The only way to make immigration work is to verify income so that only people who have the means to support themselves and their families are allowed entry. We cannot provide welfare to the world's population.
We do NOT need any immigrants from third-world countries, any Muslims or Hispanics!!
In reply to History Bear, I would like to say that Canada is in much better position than USA or MEXICO. Do not blame
Canada for the fault of USA. Leave Canada alone.
We can learn to put the military there and deport like any sane nation would do....
America can always learn from others, but any changes to our policies and practices would be small and incremental. After all, the US is the world leader regarding immigration. We are already the most diverse society the world has ever known. A large part of our success is due to being open to new ideas and to the hard work by immigrants who share our ideals, most particularly our commitment to the rights of every individual.
Australia is not an example of a country we can learn much from. They have a long way to go before they catch up to us. Until a few years ago their (anti-) immigration policies were racist and xenophobic.
As in most things economic, social and political the US is the leader that others seek to copy. This emulation has helped billions of people improve their own countries. Most recently, Russia has dumped communist socialism to embrace a market economy and (limited) democracy. China is moving in a similar direction. These countries don't have a strong resemblance to the US at this time but the freedom genie is out of the bottle.
The countries you mentioned are in a state of street war. Ask the native people of the countries if they are happy with the immigrants. Look at the massive deportations France did. Look at the what the Brits did to the Gypsies and look at the problem they are having with the Pakistanis. And Australia hates their Arab and Island peoples who Immigrated there
The no-solution to illegal immigration starts by the actions of our government members. Unfortunately, there are too many Pedros cutting their grass and too many Marias taking care of their kids for some bucks a week. If we all start by Not hiring these folks they all would have to go back home. I am sick too see illegals come here and work for almost nothing. Therefore, before you illegals can say that we Americans don't do the jobs you guys do; I have to say... "yes we Americans don't do the jobs for what you guys get paid". Besides we live here and pay our taxes right here, keep our earned salaries here, pay for our children's schools and yours too, etc, etc. Yet, you illegals send your money tax free back home so that your families can stablish businesses for you in your homeland (Thank you silly America). Furthermore, treaties like NAFTA stink 'cause they make our rich folks richer by exploiting the poor devils in their native countries due to low wages payed. Therefore, in a way this is an invitation to migrate illegally North were the pay is better. There is no way our citizens can compete with nations were a man makes four dollars for a days work. Also lets not even talk about job outsourcing...all I have to say is: "penny wise pound foolish". I wonder from where we are going to get the money to buy that overseas made item, when we Americans won't have a work place to earn money. I am sure by now all if not most think that I am a RACIST. Let me make clear that my family migrated to the US legally from a Latin country. Therefore, I invite all to come here legally so we wont have to see families split in two due to their migratory status. Also you must LEARN ENLISH, APRENDE INGLES so that your life and your family's would be better. In conclusion, for those that use the magic phrase, "its a global economy" please kiss a frog, Remember that supply and demand will eventually balace out one another. LETS THINK ABOUT OUR COUNTRY FIRST BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE PLEASE !
The US is absolutely stupid when it comes to immigration. Imagine how many specialist in the medical arena of Hepatologist do we have In this country. I was shock when I found out that my Hepatologist who took care of me and my wife has a problem with her visa. Big freaking shame with congress. A total stupidity of greater proportion. Those in congress should all get deported immediately to their ancestors come from.
Skilled workers having problems with their visa is RARE and usually their or their lawyers fault. Don't try to judge an entire, complicated system on one person's problem.
What you mean by rare? Even skilled workers waiting for years...
Fareed Zakaria is trying to tie the stellar performance of the Canadian and Australian economies to immigration . Where in Fact the Canadian and Australian economies are fueled by high demand for oil and rare earth minerals in which those two countries have benefited greatly from rising metals and other rare earth minerals .
Actually 90% of the world's rare earth minerals are located in China. Surprise!
No one in this conversation has stated the REAL reason Canada goes after immigrants. We need them!
Without steady immigration our society would quickly collapse as our overall birthrate is negative. Our total population is only growing from the intake of immigrants. Until our government finds a way to convince modern Canadian families to procreate more, we have no choice. Immigrants tend to assimilate to Canadian values when they get here so this negative birthrate has remained static over the years.
a static or negative birthrate in the US would be a dream come true,the environment alone would be reason enough.haven't you ever heard people talk about days past,uncrowded roads,beaches,parks,schools and i could go on and on.
Ah CNN I love how you guys take speicific stats and skew them to attempt to support your immigration crusade. Australia has MORE immigrants then the US? Australia has less then 30 million people in the entire country. According to the GOV census we have 38.4 million LEGAL immigrants...now according to the DHS and INS there are 25 to 30 million ILLEGAL immigrants in the US. Now my math is fuzzy but approx 60 million is TWICE the population of the ENTIRE country of Australia. Keep lieing to yourselves my friends. The welfare generation is running out of money.
Make them guest workers. But they do not get to vote. That right is reserved for people who came here legally and applied for citizenship.
And if the Democrats don't like it, we'll do Wisconsin all over again.
i agree about the voting aspect,but the Dept. of Injustice with Eric Holder and the President need those voters.
Multiculturalism is a major failure in every country it has been tried. It causes the loss of national heritage and once thats gone people stop caring. No nation on earth has ever survived once the link that binds it's people is gone.
The biggest problems is not letting in the educated professionals that we need, but alllow the uneducated, anchor baby popping, non skilled person to cross over the border and once they are here we support them.
cam that's the American way in the 21st century,supported by religious and corporate interests.VIVA LA REVEOLUTION
Where'd my post go?
none of these other countries have latin america on their southern border
Max you are correct. Australia does not have Latin America on its southern boarder. Instead, Australia (population approx 24 million) has Indonesia (population over 100 million) on its northern boarder. Indonesia is also the world's largest Muslim nation. Additionally 2% of Indonesia's population control 98% of its nation' wealth – there are tens of millions of Indonesians living in poverty who would like the opportunity to emigrate to Australia.
So help me understand something please...
What is your point ?
DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE CARIBBEAN AND CUBA,ONCE THEY OVERPOPULATED THEIR ISLANDS THEY FLOATED NORTH IN THE GULFSTREAM.
Oh, for those saying "they do the jobs Americans won't", CNN has a story that shows your ignorance:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/07/us/from-janitor-to-harvard/index.html?hpt=hp_bn1
This amazing girl is an American and not too proud to actually work.
You are incorrect that we do not need immigration. We need to attract the smartest people in the world to make our country great. If we do not, it will quickly fall to the wayside. The world is at a turning point, with developing nations catching up to us in many areas. We need the smartest people and the best ideas to maintain our edge. We won't be able to maintain our edge if we have the same old people doing everything. We need fresh people and ideas to improve our technology and way of life. Illegal immigration is a problem, but legal immigration should be encouraged, although it sounds like that system also needs to be reformed to some extent.
Americans don't have a problem with immigration – it is ILLEGAL immigration that is the problem. The media wants to lump the two together though because of their agenda. NO COUNTRY has an open border – come right in – policy.
Australia had muslim men beating women for wearing bathing suits in a beach,in the UK little girls as young as 5 were forced married with adults, many countries out in jail parents for mutilating little gilrs genitals, honor killing, and forced marriage.
This people do not respect the traditions, values and way lof life of the countries that accept them. Canada is happily bending forward for muslims and Canadians like British are doormats that like also us we need to learn from the French Hindus sued Mc Donals to change ingredients fro fries, in Canada can carry ceremonial daggers.
In many countries Pork can not be served in school or restaurants with a muslim mayority,neither show ant cross emblems or symbols.
I am SO SAD to see FAREED ZAKARIA telling such LIES on his blog! "So, did you know, for example, that Canada has more foreign-born nationals than we do? And Australia has more immigrants than we do? " FAREED- COUNT THE 14 MILLION ILLEGAL immigrants AND THE USA HAS FAR MORE "IMMIGRANTS". please stop lying to the USA people.
HERE IS THE LESSON FROM FRANCE AND Great BRITAIN: LET the "immigrants" in for long enough and you get weeks of RIOTS and 10,000 cars burned, 250 shops burned and the immigrants blame the police and the liberal govts that let them in. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG FAREED, LOOK AT THE PROOF.
The problem here is that immigration forces accomodations that host populations often do not wish to make. Immigration can invigorate a population and provide space for creativity, but it also comes with a price – if large enough, it diminishes the power of the nation to decide its own future, it turns invitations to non-native populations into intimidations and creates huge economic and social costs for managing expectations.
BLOOMBERG IS A LYING ZIONIST He goes on morning TV and says that Islamic terrorists HATE the USA because of our "lifestyle" LIE! Did you not even hear one of Bin Laden's videos or recordings where he plainly states it's because of the USA military being in Saud and Afpak?
beginning of this year I recently found my birth mother from the Philippines. As its a blessing to know that she is still alive. I am wondering what are ways to bring her to the US from the Philippines? And I was told about policies and laws between immigration and adoption. I find it unfair, in polite terms. When it seems that everyone can immigrate often.
I don't think you can sponsor your mother to settle in U.S for good. But you could invite her as a visitor or you can go there to visit her. She may be happier living in her home country surrounded by families, friends, and familiar neighbourhood.
You mentioned Canada among others. However, if you dig a little deeper, you will see that Canada's "highly skilled immigrants" ,even when they become citizens, for the most part are kept out of jobs in their profession because of a kind of "protectionism" by many Canadian employers. Do the research.
Its because these countries have taken the PC out of immigration, you break the rules, see you later buh bye.
No nation needs immigration so badly that it should swarm the host population or have an unsustainable immigration policy that drives our population from 150 millions to 300 millions in a few decades and, for sure, on to 500 millions, one billion in the future. immigration is not a paradigm for our country...we should be the masters of our own destiny and shape the kind of country we desire and for that...immigration needs to slip up and down according to OUR needs, not just to absorb surplus Indians, Chinese and Mexicans.
If it's just a matter of "the more immigrants the better", just let's everybody change places. Voila, we'll all be immigrants and the global economy will soar.
No, the real problem is that so many people's talents are going wasted as companies one-up each other in the quest for ever more compliant, ever cheaper workers. Just import enough magic bullets and all problems are solved, eh? What useless tripe.
I'm originally from Canada (ironically an immigrant to the US). Immigration in Canada has gotten out of control and has gone unchecked for long enough that problems are starting to arise. I do feel the US immigration system is overly complicated and difficult, especially for desirable, educated immigrants but an open door policy is bad news. Australia's system is quite good for attracting professionals, I'm not sure of their policies when it comes to the less desirable immigrants though.
Neither Australia nor Canada have more immigrants than the U.S. That is preposterous.
We can't really compare immigration facts and statistics between Canada, U.S, or Australia. Canada used to have a better immigration policy in terms of sponsorship. The diversity really stimulates the economy. Ahh... each country has its own uniqueness, can't see which one is the best.
USA has been the destination for immigrants from day 1. The laws and rules that were applied to Europeans were more flexible and humane than they are today. Immigrants from Europe had no problems getting accepted. The issue is not the legal or ilegal immigrants. The issue is that the immigrants are from Mexico and Latinamerica. The culture is strong and anglos feel threaten by the diversity the new wave imposes on their lives. If the illigals were russians and polish, we would not hear much. The matter is racial and cultural.
Honestly I believe everyone has forgotten where the United States came from. We are a land of immigrants. As a US Citizen I have to wait for a year until my wife may or may not be allowed to come to live with me at the decision of some bureaucrat, and here I am decorated member of the Air Force with the fight on the Global War on Terror. Immigrates come with an Entrepreneurial spirit . Entrepreneurial people create jobs for Americans. Immigrants are willing to the jobs the current American generation does not want them to do. Yes, I agree a lot of the illegals are sending money back home. So why not make the legal, since Americans do not want to do the jobs, and then we can collect taxes.
Also I would like to remind people that our visitor policy is discriminatory on income and house ownership. I personally rent even though I make $70k+ a year. If lived in a country that was not a member of the visa waiver program I wouldn't be allowed to visit the USA because by definition I wouldn't have strong enough ties to my country. Imagine that; since I am not a homeowner I couldn't visit here.
US does not need so much work visas for IT professionals. 95% of these h1B/L1 visa holders do not make any innovation in science/engineering/IT. It is hidden agenda by emploerys/coroporate to bring cheap labour here. So work visas for skilled workers should not exceed more than 3000/per year. Let the employers/ hire the cream layer from top universites around the world . No more IT body shops here.
Somebody wrotte that not many Muslims are on welfare, they are wrong, some cities with a big influx of them have their welfare offices busy, people from Sudan, and other countries come in a refugee status, we pay food, shelter,education, food and allowance.
That they do not charge porcentage on loans, I do not see their banks working abroad under this premise, instead many of their organizations have been found guilty of collectiong funds for terrorist activities.
They also bring multiple wifes under the pretense of sister.
In Canada a muslim man and wife# 2 were found on killing their daughter [honor killing] and wife #1.
Many marry unsuspecting western women when they have a muslim wife at home.
People need to assimilate to our culture, by learning English and or not demanding we change to fit theirs.
Today I saw a film where the son asks the father"You fought so hard to bring us to live in freedom and democracy to only want us to live in the way we lived in the old country"
This very well may be the last article I ever read on CNN. I use to check my news daily from this source, but I do not agree with CNN's liberal agenda. I see an advertisement for Obama on the front page; and since I do not support ANY of his ideals, can I support a new corporation that is clearly aligned with his agenda? As far as the problem with immigration, we voted the people into office that allowed this to happen. I many cases, we have been too weak to vote them out. This country is going in a bad direction, and I do not know if I will retain my citizenship and watch as my children become victims of a government that no longer serves the people who legally reside under its law. Don't bother to respond to my post, I will not be here to read it. Goodbye CNN, I'll keep my guns, my freedom, and my conservative views and your news network can continue to try to screw the people who built this country.
i like how this immigrant fareed from egypt tells us americans how we should do our immigration system, why dont fareed go back to egypt and fix the trouble there instead of writing lame commentarys for liberal cnn and sucking off america.
We need someone to tell us something, we are doing a crappy job for ourselves.
Something has to be done. The U.S. is turning third world before my eyes. CNN is becoming way too liberal and out of touch with its American roots. I'm moving over to FOX. They may not be 100% "fair and balanced", but at least they are pro-American.
You are a liar, you will not stay gone, Fox does not let folks post on the articles any more. We know you can't keep your mouth shut, so buck up and stay here.
Nice try at logic but you forget we live in a politically correct era. So we will continue to have our borders assaulted by people that can't speak the language but certainly understand what it means to give birth free of charge in a nice clean US hospital and then sign up for benefits for their child. Don't like it ? Well then you must be a racist. Oh and by the way, you better educate illegals free of charge even if it means punishing legal immigrants in the process.
As the U.S. pays dearly to educate science and technology graduates, universities continue to over-produce them for jobs industries can’t create. Meanwhile, a global tech junta secretly carries out its “Dirty War”–20 years now–against American scientific and technical professionals, continually inventing domestic visa laws to disappear us.
Outsourcing played a decisive role in the 2010 defeat of Carly Fiorina
The reprehensible want ads featured on this site are perfectly legal through corporate visa programs. Referred to by beltway insiders as “guest worker” programs, this misnomer camouflages the ugly truth: these visas are for companies–not workers.
Four categories of Businesses Which Avoid Hiring Americans
American Companies – Even in a deep recession American tech CEOs are pleading with Congress to expand their legal means in order to bypass and displace workers here at home. In 2009 Microsoft, Intel, Ernst & Young, and Goldman Sachs have all increased their hiring abroad for U.S. job openings, even as they laid-off thousands at home. They have large contracts with major Indian outsourcing companies and bodyshops to fill their long-term temporary positions. HP is posting the permits they received to fill jobs here in America; many don’t start until May or September of 2011.
Outsourcing companies – All the major Indian outsourcing companies can’t ship abroad their workers abroad without what they call “H1-b, the Outsourcing Visa” for tens of thousands of US job openings. With increased scrutiny from federal regulators, it’s alleged that Infosys was willing to go to any length–including breaking the law–to avoid hiring Americans.
Bodyshops – These are temp staffing agencies. They have contracts with US companies, along with other bodyshops. Many, like iTech US located in Vermont, hire recruiters in India to search for H1-b workers and foreign students who are currently in the US to fill the jobs that they subcontract from Microsoft, eBay, Wells Fargo, Bally, State of Georgia, Fidelity, Pepsi. They need to fill 100 entry-level jobs with free training in the US, but they are only advertising this ad on an Indian web site.
Traffickers and “Ma & Pop bodyshops”- These men and women often work from their homes–right here in America. Corporate visa programs, with their assurance of segregated recruiting, has made these programs “trafficking ready”. This ad states that it will takes an average of 3 months to gain employment. The company’s headquarters is a rent-by-the-hour virtual office, not far from Rutgers University. These companies don’t have jobs but supply unemployed Indian techies to small and medium-sized bodyshops.
US policies on immigration is rediculous, Not only for immigrants far away, for also Canadians who want to invest here in USA. I am in process of investing capitals in USA for export business, now I am experiencing high lawyers fees, lack of info services by the governmetns, accountant charges, bearocracies, waiting time, most importantly, time limit for finishing up all prcesses imposed by border control agencies is rediculous. I was givin three month period to complete the establishment of my company with all logistic support facilities, such as wharehouses, offices, and others. in fact now I realized that I need more than three month time to get a reasonable wharehouse and office, like getting right place, waiting to close it at least 2-3 month period.
I am now regretting to bring this much money to USA. it is just tough. there is no welcoming face for foreign investment here
This is such a joke! Australians are SO RACIST against the Asians there!
wheres CNN to report this?
youtube.com/watch?v=OqmRirJRjnE
Let me start by saying I'm not against LEGAL immigration...My grandfather follwed the rules when he came from eastern Europe. We need to stop rewarding undesirable behavior. Let's start by NOT granting citiizenship to anyone born within our borders that does not have at least one US citizen as a parent. This would stop them pulling pregnant females across the border and then suddenly whold families are on our payroll.
Personal story: In 2000, I was hired by an IT company in the US. After two years of waiting, my work visa was denied. In 2004 I was granted a resident visa in Canada. Now I live here with my family, created my own company, employing close to 10 people (most of them Canadians). By the way, many of my fellow immigrants have done the same thing. Yes, US loss is other countries' gain.
its enough of the finger pointer in chief...mr blame a lot....mr I take no responsibilty...none...its always someone else's fault...never his.
Fareed, You REALLY dropped the ball on June 10th. You call yourself a 'thinker' and 'journalist"? The MOST RELEVANT news story in the past 4 years has taken place within the last 36 hours.....and there is a TOTAL NEWS BLACK OUT ON ALL NETWORKS in regards to the 125 BILLION SPAIN BAILOUT!! I expected MUCH more from you Fareed. This type of 'media blackout' indicates total systemic risk to Western Capitalism.......in the coming weeks......BE AFRAID.....BE VERY AFRAID!!!!!!
I give USA an F in area of immigtation. If you want to immigrate, please try Canada , australia even europe first. make USA your last desperate choice just like the poor mexicans desperados do. I am not sure if this country will ever be fixed. Cheers to the land of the bigots and home of the racists.
Then why aren't Julio and Haysoos crossing the border in Nogales and heading straight for the Canadian border?
Wanna know why?
Because the Canadians won't let them in.
That's why, zappy.
We can decrease our border from 2,000 miles to 99 miles!
Most agree that the majority of the U.S. immigration problem stems from the border we share with Mexico (nearly 2000 miles). A fence will not work! The border is just too long.
Since the 1980's violent Mexican cartels have flooded the U.S. economy with illegal drugs. Recent violence in Juarez, Mexico has often spilled over onto to U.S. soil. These cartels are murdering civilians and government officials and should be treated as terrorists!
We need to take a page from Thomas Jefferson and look into purchasing Mexico for a few Pesos. It may be bold action but, should the offer be refused and the terrorist activity continue, the U.S. should INVADE AND OCCUPY MEXICO. Mexico could be the 51st U.S. state. Amnesty for everyone! Extend our border to Panama.
Actually only about 55% of our illegal immigration problem originates on the Mexican-American border.
Only 55 percent?
Seriously?
Yes, and only 40% are Mexicans. 20% are Latinos from other countries other than Mexico and the other 40% are everybody else from all over the world.
Great! That's more than half of our illegal immigration problem solved. Let's do it. #JustTakeMexico . Remember the Alamo!
another POS propogandizing article. Hey autthor.. How do THOSE OTHER countries feel about ILLEGAL immigration...?
Immigration is one thing, Illegal is another the two are not the same CNN, A.P. wackjobs. feel free to review Mexico's own policy on this . Li,bt,ards almost deserve to get everything they are asking for. Luckily others see the repercussions their pitiful minds cannot forsee.
More garbage from Zakaria. An entire article without a single use of the word 'illegal'. We should solve the problem with illegals before allowing any immigration at all. And if Zakaria and his ilk would sit back and take a look, they would realize that there are too many people in the US already. We do not have a repsonsibility to share what we have with people who were, unfortunately for them, born in another country.
That is a stupid stance, which is like the Jews saying "we have to solve the problem of 4000 years of insults before we can work on peace today"
You are not a person that will help get this country back on track. We have to start work today, waiting as you suggest will only make the problems worse.
This is just a general comment on GPS. GPS is the most (only) intelligent show on Sunday morning TV. It is constantly refreshing to gain information and insights on GPS as compared to political harangue on the other 4 networks that receive all to much attention. Thank you, Fareed.
They have figured out a way to do immigration right, where they take smart, hardworking, talented people whom their economy needs. BUT NOT MILLIONS, SOME ESTIMATES OF 20 MILLION "ILLEGAL" IMMIGRANTS, 20 MILLION UNDKILLED UNEDUCATED, NONSCREENED – AT BEST – ILLEGALLY ENTERING IMMIGRANTS. AT WORST MANY RUNNING FROM THE LAW, CROSSING INTO AMERICA FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF WORKING IN THE ILLEGAL DRUG TRADE, TERRORISTS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE MIDDLE EAST SNEAKING INTO AMERICA FOR TERRORST PURPOSES; AND INTO A SOCIETY UNABLE TO EMPLOY OR CARE FOR THEM. MEXSICKANES GO BACK TO MEXICO AND MAKE YOUR HOME A SUITABLE PLACE TO LIVE FIRST.
I doubt President will ever go for it because his senate mentor ted kennedy didn't want to hear this, I saw a senate hearing on this few years ago. During senate hearing few years ago, republican senators tried to argue what u r arguing now with Ted Kennedy. He was more interesting in giving more mexican cheap labor to American farmers than anything else.
In sum, here is a checklist on how to solve America’s immigration problems in order of importance:
1.) The coming double dip depression and crash of the American dollar in 2013 will see many immigrants leaving to return their home county.
2.) Better education, both for American citizens and for immigrants, in selective, growing careers, and better citizenship testing for illegal immigrants already here that are willing to productively contribute to our country’s workforce.
3.) More intensive and successful trade programs, such as that in Germany, which will increase standards here in America (which are historically low right now) and allow for more non-college degree required jobs
4.) Enacting the Founder’s Visa Program, to help bring money into America from outside and allow for highly trained immigrants to start businesses in the US more easily, thereby leading to more jobs and growth
5.) Collaborating more with the Mexican government to fight the cartels and improve the economic situation in Mexico, instead of wasting our military resources in the Middle East. Mexico has oil too, after all, and is the 6th largest producer of oil in the world, even ahead of Canada.
6.) Shifting the manufacturing of goods from China to Mexico – this will happen whether China or the US likes it or not due to China’s rising currency, our falling currency, and more expensive fuel costs for overseas shipping.
Those are some good steps
Nothing wrong in immigration movements excepr all governements tend to sleep at the wheel. Immigration should be a daily analysis of benefits and costs. Open borders should never the norm. If mislums cost you a lot in security then don't let them come in tothe country even though many if notall are good people. If they think it is unfair then letthemin tothe country but burden them with the cost of security which is necessary to protect society. It will not be hbigh because they themselves point to the rascals otherwise they cost them money.Isn't this fair?
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg with a net worth of $18.1 billion in 2011, is also the 13th-richest person in the United States. WHAT THE HELL WOULD HE KNOW ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. THEY DON'T COME NEAR HIM. EVEN HIS SERVANTS ARE LEGAL WHITE AMERICAN CITIZENS.
AND EVE HIS LEGAL AMERICAN WHITE SERVANTS HAVE LEGAL AMERICAN WHITE SERVANTS.
If we had an immigration system that worked we wouldn't have so many problems with illegal immigration.
America needs immigrants; the real problem is America needs honest politicians. That is the only way that we will have a successful Immigration system.
We have an immigration system that works. The problem is there are too many immigrants crossing our southern border to escape the Mexican drug cartels and the Mexican public school system that keeps their children illiterate and poor.
Sure, they can stay. But they need to register as guest workers. And they don't get to vote. That right is reserved for those who followed the rules, immigrated legally and became citizens.
If you're here illegally - and you know if you are - you can stay as a guest worker, but you'll have to register with the state. And you don't get to vote. That privilege is reserved for those who came here, followed the rules, and became citizens LEGALLY.
No illegal votes. And the Democrats can suck it.
CNN must read the writing on the wall. Their left-wing, liberal, socialist agenda has brought them the worst ratings in 20 years. If they continue with their un-American views, they will surely go out of business.
Americans go bankrupt paying for health insurance and sickness while anchor babies and illegals receive it for FREEEEEEEEEEE at municipal hospitals. No more uneducated iillegals seeking government handouts
Why is it that we don't let educate people enter our country who want to work legally, but fail to prosecute those who enterthe USA illegally, breed like rabbits, create anchor babies and crush our healthcare system by receiving free healthcare ?????
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LEGAL AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS THAT WHEN ILLEGALS ENTER THE COUNTRY THEY KNOW THEY ARE DOING A MISTAKE WHILE THE LEGALS DON'T !!
Fools commenting here do not realize that highly skilled workers are in a shortage in US and many companies are not able to get the skilled workers and so are sending jobs outside of US.
Can you please make these specials available on iTunes?? It kills me that I can't watch them when they air.
The only thing I've learned here is this Fareed character is heavily biased toward amnesty for illegal immigration. He is ignoring the facts to support his conclusion and angering a lot of people in the process. I think he needs to get off this topic and leave it to a journalist who can approach it with an impartial opinion.
Could GPS stop using a world map as the background using the Mercator Projection. Let's use maps that represent a true relationship to the real size of the countries. Thanks.
Fareed is off base on this issue. He omitted all of the negative scenarios, and focused on the rosy ones. I live in a Southern textile manufacturing town that went from 2% to 70% Hispanic residents in less than10 years. The initial wave was non-English speaking, uneducated illegal aliens, mostly from Mexico. The ensuing language barrier soon paralyzed the town, and then came the second wave of bilingual opportunists who poured in from Texas, California, and beyond. Local, native English-speaking small businessmen were soon forced out of business, and the one's that survived were forced to hire out of town, bilinguals. Thousands of local, English-speaking U.S. citizens were soon displaced from the private and public job market. Our 170 year old town was completely colonized within one decade, due to our total lack of enforcement of our immigration laws, and is now a third world slum, being abandoned by the locals.
As an American, I believe that what we have in common is not our country of birth or the color of our skin, but our values – hard work, freedom – the same things that brought my grandparents here 60 years ago. America welcomed them, they thrived, and so did the economy when they opened a small business years later. The story is no different now. I don't feel threatened by immigrants; I feel enriched by them.
I found this to be an excellent program, and the postings shared here highlight that the most significant barrier to a better way forward is not politics, but perception. As was highlighted by the German example, there is a need for "a learning process on both sides." Indeed. The world is on the move, and immigration can no longer be a question of whether, but of how – how do we learn to live with one another in our new global reality?
As long as they work cheap, I support unlimited immigration
The vast majority of my friends are foreign born new Canadians.
It is a question of give and take...no problem with immigrants in my eyes – we need their work ethic and skills.../
Fareed, I was a loyal watcher until tonight. I just deleted your show from being recorded on my dvd, and I hope others do the same. Yes, I feel that strongly about this issue.
Not knowing how many Andy Groves are hidden among the immigrants, it is a huge challenge in the mean time for Americans to accept Turbans, sarees, burqas, temples, mosques, gurdwaras, foreign language speakers, curry smell, brown skin, dark eyed non- Christians who make no attempt to mix with the local population, learn about local issues and American history. We need immigrants but at what cost is what most folks seem to ask...
Watch Sacha baron cohen's Dictator for a better understanding of racial stereotypes....
There will be fruit picking, sandwich making, brick laying and landscaping ROBOTS soon ... We don't need cheap labor from outside
We need to end the H-1b and L1 not increase them! Has CNN lost it's mind? Really? MORE OUTSOURCING VISAS???
If the USD crashes and USA becomes like Greece ...will immigrants stay here? Fix the economy first...if not Fareed will also make plans to move his show to India for
better pay
Fedman.....That was funny!!!!!
We need more outsourcing visas. Much much more
I've always watched and admired Fareed Zakaria's programs, but tonight "The GPS Roadmap for Making Things Work" was a disappointment. The show subtly maligned American workers, and failed to factor their side into the debate. It failed to mention educated, loyal American workers who show up for work one morning to be handed a pink slip with a mandate to train their third world replacements, their severance pay packages as hostage. Not all H1-B immigrants are high tech entrepreneurs, many are semi and unskilled workers trafficked in by the thousands to force American workers out of their jobs they currently hold. The show was quick to show the shortfall of Americans with advanced degrees in Science and Engineering, but didn't mention the out of control tuition costs that put educational opportunities out of reach of even the most talented young Americans. What angered me most was that Fareed stooped to playing the same old "immigrants will do jobs American workers won't" card. When someone on the show tried to rebut this myth, Fareed cut him off. Americans have a history of picking produce, install roofing in 100 degree weather, and other difficult jobs. We just want paid enough to eke out a living. Do you want to make immigration work? Create an international standard for workers' wages, working conditions, and safety.
I'm a naturalized US citizen and love our country like anyone else. We live in "the best" country on earth. I agree, our immigration policies need adjustments which should focus on encouraging more educated / skilled workers to join us in contributing our economic growth. I believe 2 changes in our policy will make an immediate impact in our slow economy:
1. A bill that will allow the illegals to come out of the shadow (through some sort policy reform or amnesty)
(Think about the potential revenue generating opportunities for airlines. Millions of illegals that have not gone back home for years will sudenly start travelling – this wave will create an immediate boost in economy. There are many other activities like this will give a jump start to our economy)
2. A revised policy that will allow foreigners to become residents (in a very simple and easy way) as long as they buy properties or own businesses or bring some specified amount of cash
(I know many people from Asia are literally sitting on a lot of cash and interested to live in the USA for their kids or to have a better life but can not do so since they can not legally stay in the country)
We need to look back 40-50 years and learn from our history. Find out what went right in those early days that made our country so great. People outside of USA still belives this is the land of opportunity. I think many people who dislikes USA or makes negative / hatred comments about USA will live in the USA without a second thought if they were given the choice to stay here. Even after 9/11, we still have a positive image out side of USA. Because this is "the best" place to live on earth.
No country in the world has the same immigration issues as the US. Not one. So stop comparing apples to Mack trucks. Of course, what would an indian know about that?
The argument that there won't be enough individuals for science and engineering jobs due to lack of education can be resolved by lowering tuition for Americans in the U.S. There are many individuals that would like to get a degree but the thought of taking on a 6 figure debt is horrifying at this point in time. Instead of making it easier for U.S. citizens to get an education you argue to bring in foreign individuals. Why is that always the answer instead of lowering tuition? This show is disturbing for many reasons, especially to the younger generation.
Fareed, you immigration piece was very good. What I missed is the relationship between the history why immigrants come over the borde, fleeing changes in their country made by American aggressive enterprise. E immigration is not a cause but the result of american politics specifically in Central America. Many immigrants did not want to leave but had to flee because our military puppets put in the saddle in those countries could be manipulated and needed to be paid off. We all need to learn our own history to understand how millions of Latinos flee over the border.
yeah for Canada!
Hmm ... I read a few of the comments I think everyone is a little on the emotional side. I think the purpose of Fareed's piece is to create dialogue on how to improve the system. Fighting border control is a whole different issue from dealing with immigrants already within the system. It is a little naive to assume a country should not have rules about immigration but it is also incredibly daft to punish immigrants for challenges in the economy. I think we should be discussing how to make immigrants legal who have already established roots here and improve border laws for future immigration. For those who are travelled and informed we know that we will love to be treated properly if we chose to live elsewhere other than the US. The same should go for people who choose to come to live in the US.
America is not ready for immigration like Canada, Australia and Euope for two reasonsz: our immigration laws are antiquated and old and we are not foreign friendly. We see foreigners as intruders and invaders . Also we do not allow people with simple skills to stay here. We will eventually face serious problems. Immigration policies need to be completely revamped.
Fareed would champion Canada's financially-driven, points-based immigration system as a model for the world. This is an example of how morally bankrupt he is. Most American immigration is based upon humanitarian needs... Shouldn't THAT be the model for the world?
I find it quite amazing to hear all the negative comments about the USA, it's laws, taxes and people by the VERY same people who want to come to this country.
I have two possible solutions:
1. Stay the FRAK in your own country (don't worry about what we need, we will be okay……trust me)
OR
2. ASAP, let us copy Mexico's immigration policy………….no one will EVER get in!!!!!!!!!
LMAO
I have a SERIOUS PROBLEM with and resent a 'naturalized immigrant' - Fareed Zakaria - telling US that we need more immigration! I live in the Bay Area and there are so many Asian Indians, Vietnamese and Mexicans (mostly illegals) that, this once beautiful city resembles the same rat hole, Third World countries that they left! You will be hard-pressed to see and white and black people - let alone hear English! Enough with the immigration already...vote these spineless politicians out and demand a better education for OUR KIDS so we no longer need to hear the excuses about immigration. WAKE-UP AMERICANS, this is still a nice country to live in, but will it be in 10 years????
TripQz. You said it in a nut shell. I found this article white washed and just not the way it actually is. There are entirely too many immigrants here that cost us dearly in tax dollars. I would rather watch a production that shows the truth about what is really going on. A very serious situation for sure.
There seems to be alot of immigrants that come to the western countries and live off welfare, I mean alot. I can't understand how that happens for the life of me. Either work or get OUT! No more anchor babies too. Simple.
Is any connection between where people stay or are they asked the same way information about their races been known
or is this offer products to virtual money and hire and fire ?
The issue that Americans have is NOT with immigrants, we are a land of immigrants, it is ILLEGAL immigrants. People that work for so little that they can't pay for medical care, etc.. They and their employers are destroying the middle class in this country, which have not seen an increase in real income in the last 30+ years. This is about corporate GREED which as seen astronomical wage increases in the same time period. The current attacks on unions (lowest membership in 70 years) making too much, but could and should be turned around into why non union worker making less than 30+ years ago. As a consumer based economy Americans should be concerned about WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MIDDLE CLASS.
I personally have no problem with immigrants. However, I do have a problem with ILLEGAL immigrants. Since most illegals are Hispanic, I will comment regarding them, but my comments generally apply to all. I have found most Hispanics to be hard-working, pleasant, and respectful. It is not their work ethic or personalities that cause the problems. It is the fact that our government supposedly limits the numbers of immigrants, yet does not enforce that law and even punishes States that attempt to enforce the Federal laws. The immigrants need more education, since most don't speak our language, and most come from under-educated families from their home countries. This is a drain on our resources at a time when the government can't pay its current bills. Allowing immigrants to come here at a reasonable, controllable rate will benefit our country. Placing no limits on immigration will destroy it. Ask the Indians.
I would like to comment to the question what it takes to be German or in my case, what does it take to be American. I was born and raised in Germany. I'm a German citizen. I immigrated to the US for my husband, some 17 years ago. I didn't speak the language, I didn't understand the culture. Obviously, things have changed. You couldn't tell me from any other American. I love the USA, I'm proud of it and I'm willing to defend it. Nobody ever bothered trying to speak German to me. I had to learn English. When I attempted to teach my daugther to learn German she told me that this is America, this is where we speak English. She's right and so we speak English. We celebrate American holidays, we cook American food, we buy American – because we are an American family. I expect no less from anyone else looking to immigrate to the US. I'm still German and I always will be – it's something that will never change. I'm not forcing this upon anyone else, I do this in private because it's a private matter. It's between me and my homeland. Again, I expect no less from any other immigrant. You come here, you speak English, you play by the rules, you accept the society for what it is and you obey the law of the land. If that doesn't sit well, go back home.
Exactly. The politically correct have demonized the American ethos as intolerant and maligned the hardest working people in history as poorly educate simpletons lacking a world grasp. For all of our shortcomings Fareed may point a finger at why then this remains the standard by which foreigners seek out instead of using a straw man argument of Canada or Australia as models for immigration. Ivy league education didn't rear its head in this article.
It strikes me as very disingenuous that the entire article refers to LEGAL immigration issues. Am I wrong that the fight over immigration in the US is about ILLEGAL immigrants? Come on Fareed, stop blowing smoke up my state schooled behind.
Jobs have always been an 'issue' and a problem in U.S. history. Getting more people in a system that can't support it makes no sense. Give all immigrants and people a whole area of lands that they can go and make it what they want and get the governments out of the way. That's radical immigration!
If you abide by law, the life for a legal immigrant like Indians or Mexicans is miserable. Ask any Indian any Mexican or any migrant, most of the employers have found ways to exploit the immigrants because no one cares about them. They are made to work for the lower wages because they are scared to go back.
Yes we migrants like to stay in USA, USA has been land of opportunity for years but things are changing. Current migration policies are suppressing. A legal immigrant has to go so much mental trauma, which you cant even think of whether its funding is living,masters education, paying off student loan by himself/herself, finding a job, working hard on his job so that he will not be laid off. Because guess what, if you are out of job you have to find a job in 2 months then sell your house and go back home.
But its not like immigrants have taken your jobs, we work hard to get a job. We got a Masters degree, we invested in your education system. We are contributing to your society positively, we never ask question, we are never involved in crime. You will never find an Indian being arrested for any criminal activity. We have contributed massively to the technology superiority of this country. Its very disheartening when question are being asked about the loyalty of hard working community of people.
USA needs broader immigration reforms, preventing Mexicans or Indians wont help. Efforts should be made so that migrants becomes part of society and contribute more to community.
Mind you, its not like we migrants do not have option. If USA becomes like a Jail for us we will leave, but you might lose a potential Scientist or a talented Doctor. And people are leaving, people in India are not so much interested to come to USA as it used to be in 90's and 2000's.
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The illegal immagrants and their offspring who were illegally born here need to be sent back after paying back the goverment for schooling and medical costs. These people break the law and then demand rights, since when can you be a citizen if you are born here to illegal parents. I am sick of being told we need to pay for translators for these people when my own grown kids are now unemployed in construction and unable to get medical insurance or schooling paid for like these people do. My grandparents came here back in the early part of 1915. They were sponsored by their relatives having to pass a physical, and sign papers saying they wouldn't apply for any type of aid, then had to learn English on their own. Then they had to come up with money and housing at the end of WWII to sponsor their brother and sister in law who were freed from a Nazi concentration camp, they waited 5 years to come to America in a displaced concentration camp. I am tired of the discrimination and hypocrisy going on in this country while watching the US being wishy washy. We are not educating our children, or taking care of American homeless citizens, and no one is offering to teach our children their native tongue in school only spanish,if you want to live here provide money, skills and the english language or stay in your country, we don't ask you to come here you asked to come here, we speak English only, if you don't want to speak English you pay for a translator, and we believe in God and don't want to change to spanish or listen to it unless all other languages are also used in signs and on the phone, or take away our pledge of allegiance.
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