Why America needs immigrants
New citizens are sworn in during a ceremony in Washington, D.C.
June 8th, 2012
07:35 AM ET

Why America needs immigrants

Fareed Zakaria looks at how the immigration systems work – and don't work – in Japan, Europe, Canada and the U.S. in the TV special: "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work" on CNN at 8 p.m. ET on Sunday, June 10. Watch on CNN International on Saturday, June 16, at 4 a.m. and 9 p.m. ET

Editor's note: Philippe Legrain is the author of "Immigrants: Your Country Needs Them" and "Aftershock: Reshaping the World Economy After the Crisis." Follow on Twitter @plegrain. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Philippe Legrain.

By Philippe Legrain, Special to CNN

It is no longer acceptable to discriminate against people on the basis of a whole range of characteristics that they happen to be born with, notably their gender, their race and their sexuality. So why is it still deemed acceptable to discriminate against people on the basis of where they happen to have been born?

The world is anything but flat: the biggest determinant of your life chances is not how talented you are or how hard you work, it is where you were born and who your parents are. Anyone lucky enough to have been born in the United States who doubts this should try to imagine how different their life would have been if they had been born in Africa.

Zakaria: Will an immigration deadlock make the U.S. a second-rate nation?

A hard-working entrepreneur born in a remote African village has far fewer opportunities to achieve his dreams than a lazy dimwit born in America. Even if the African seizes all her chances and the American none, the American is still likely to enjoy a more comfortable life. And the surest thing that African could do to transform her (and her family's) life chances is to go and work in the U.S.

But only if governments allow her to. Unfortunately, we live in a system of global apartheid, where the rich and the educated can move about increasingly freely, while the poor are expected to stay put, like serfs tied to the land where they were born.

Can the U.S. learn from other countries' immigration policies?

For the most part, people are oblivious to the injustice of this: it is seen as part of the natural order of things, like slavery once was. But insofar as people try to justify this unnatural and unjust state of affairs, they claim immigration controls are necessary to protect people in rich countries from their poorer brethren. Yet if one thinks a bit more carefully, one realizes that these objections don't stand up.

One objection to allowing women into the workplace was that they would take jobs away from men. But in practice, women have not deprived men of work. Why? Because people don't just take jobs, they also create them, when they spend their wages as well as in complementary lines of work. The same is true, of course, of immigrants.

By the numbers: U.S. immigrants

Another objection is that immigrants will all end up on welfare – as if someone enterprising enough to uproot themselves to move to America will suddenly want to do nothing, even though they could earn more working. Indeed, when immigrants are working, they're accused of stealing "our" jobs and when they're out of work, they're accused of scrounging from the state. They can't win: they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Such accusations tell us more about critics' prejudices than about immigrants' behavior.

There is also something unpleasant about the notion that governments can – and ought to – select only the seemingly best people to allow in to a country. It is nonsense that we can predict how someone will contribute to a country, let alone how their children will. Who would have guessed that the son of a Kenyan goatherd would end up as U.S. president?

More from "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work"

Google, Yahoo!, eBay, Intel and many other companies were all co-founded by people born outside America who arrived not through some clever selection process, but as children. Nobody could have guessed, when he arrived in the United States as a child refugee from the Soviet Union, that Sergey Brin would go on to co-found Google. Had he been denied entry, America would never have realized the opportunity that had been missed. How many potential Sergey Brins do Europe and post-9/11 America turn away or scare off – and at what cost?

As Fareed Zakaria rightly remarked in his book "The Post-American World,": "America has succeeded not because of the ingenuity of its government programs but because of the vigor of its society. It has thrived because it has kept itself open to the world – to goods and services, to ideas and inventions, and, above all to peoples and cultures."

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Philippe Legrain.

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  1. Nice

    Nice argument . Thanks . We talk in loud speaker about Humanity but we do not allow people to shift because of their nationality . Ludicrous . We are talking about Humantrain intervention in Syria to protect Human rights spending billion dollars . But we will not allow energetic Syrian to come at the USA so that they can enjoy human rights ? We only lead luxurious life style , we will not give any scope to anyone !

    June 8, 2012 at 8:34 am | Reply
    • 1stironweed

      Our infrastructure and welfare resources are pretty decrepit right now. Sorry, but we can't take care of any more welfare cases like Obama's family.

      June 8, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
      • Albert Von Sachsen

        And how do you know members of the Obama family are on welfare? First, the information on welfare rolls is confidential. Second, assuming that it is confidential, where do you get the information?

        June 8, 2012 at 10:49 am |
      • Joe

        they were on the NEWS...

        June 8, 2012 at 11:03 am |
      • Rudolph vs

        You are all right.
        Keep the welfare freeloaders out of the country.

        June 8, 2012 at 11:58 am |
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        Welfare cases like Obama's family? Really? Let's face it Jim Crow, your southern confederate WELFARE states benefited from four hundred years of FREE SLAVE LABOR and FREE SLAVE HANDOUTS! And so did your worthless ancestors!

        June 8, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
      • Pe

        Actually he is right about that, the uncle of and aunt of Obama were in Welfare and got benefits from the US illegally, it was in the news

        June 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
      • handzcats

        You just tell the world you are a big fool!

        June 8, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
      • wcb2009

        right. because everyone who comes here from other countries is a sub human who can only earn money from welfare. moron

        June 8, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
      • Oh really?

        Oh good lord, why do you trolls always turn this into an opportunity to say stupid things about Obama? Of course you're ignoring the fact that Barack was born into an incredibly poor situation, and in the American way, worked himself from being dirt poor to President of the United states. Could anyone in your inbred and sadly intellectually challenged family do the same? I seriously doubt it. Keep your hate comments for the folks at the weekly meeting of the trailer park homeowner's association. I'm sure they are more appreciated there.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
      • Mike500

        Albert, it was widely reported that Obama's aunt lived in public housing for 8 years while ignoring a deportation order. Get informed. She freely admits it, and said she 'deserved' it. Where there is one, there are thousands, or even tens of thousands. MA, as well as several other states, don't check citizenship when allowing welfare benefits.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
      • Will

        So whenever anyone says anything critical yet true of Obama or his family (such as that his relatives took welfare benefits from this country illegally), some dimwit Liberal has to step-in and defend him. As if he has saved this country by becoming President- how are we better off now than in 2008 as a country? Really? I know, I know, these things take time, right? 4 years is plenty of time to turn this ship around and he is not cutting it. He starts every response with, "Look, blah blah blah...". Well, Barack, we're tired of "looking"...this country is going downhill and you're steering us in that direction. And you liberal dimwits who plaster "Diversity" and "Co-Exist" on your cars...just remember, "Peace Begins In the Womb" !!

        June 8, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
      • wikkan

        ChoOBama was not born poor. Why do you m oron s keep saying that?

        June 8, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
      • Norm

        You must cry yourself to sleep every night since Fox stopped allowing comments.
        Go away dirtbag....

        June 8, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
      • Travis

        You’re injudicious. First President Obama is not an immigrant he was born in USA. Second if he was an immigrant he would be a shining example of the American dream.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
      • Robert

        I agree 100%

        June 8, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
      • Sam

        Oh Really: Barak Obama was not born into an "incredibly poor situation". His mother held a Ph.D. He was largely raised by a grandmother who was a bank president and paid for him to go to the most exclusive prep school in Hawaii. As for the rest of you uninformed idiots, Barak Obama's aunt and uncle, who were illegal immigrants, have in fact been on welfare in the US for years. It's not racism, nor is it an attempt to slander the president with misinformation to state that. It's a fact that has been well reported in the news and well known to the literate, informed, educated part of the populace for at least 2 years.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
      • FrankinSD

        Other than race, what indicator do you have that any of the President's relatives receive any government support? Or are you just another right-wing pig?

        June 8, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
      • Robert

        what he really wants to say is the dems want more votes

        June 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
      • nateray

        Yes, Obama's Aunt and Uncle are both illegal immigrants. The Aunt was supposed to be deported, the uncle was arrested for DUI. Fact not Opinion. Both on welfare. Maybe their nephew should do the right thing and help out his own family members. Instead the taxpayers are taking care of them.

        If people want to come to this country that is fine with me. But we don't have any more money to give out, free health care, and free housing to give these people. All of the people that the author says are being discriminated against will more than likely have their hand out looking for free money and services as soon as they get here.

        Disney World costs money to enter. If Disney World was forced to let everyone in for free do you think it would last?

        June 8, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
      • jonathan

        This right here is what's wrong with America. You are what's wrong with America. Your poison ideas are what's wrong with America not immigrants.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
      • Dennis

        1stironwood:And this country can no longer afford to have citizens like yourself who are uninformed,uneducated and offer nothing at all to society except hatred and ignorance.If you don't the like the person in the White House,why don't you renounce your citizenship and move elsewhere to make room for legal immigrants who wish to bring an educated postive offering to this country.Your taking up of room and doing nothing to further the advancement of this country does no one any good.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
      • Carbunko


        June 8, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
      • PaulC

        Just couldn't help your self could you? Sean and Rush will be proud, now, adjust your tinfoil hat and take your meds.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
      • Olga Levin

        "So whenever anyone says anything critical yet true of Obama or his family (such as that his relatives took welfare benefits from this country illegally), some dimwit Liberal has to step-in and defend him."

        Since at what point did inconsistency shed light on proof? What does Obama's aunt have to do with Obama himself and his presidency? How does the fact that his aunt being illegal here and being on welfare show his leadership style or how he is leading? My understanding is that what his aunt did does not make Obama the criminal. Your response is saying that because Obama's aunt was on wellfare than this means that Obama must be like that or anything near those lines. Your argument is not consistent.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
      • NSPanther99

        Well Huckleberry looks like you got da facs. Most welfare reciepients are white, live in the south, and I'm pretty sure play a banjo these days. Man you gots to catch up!!!!

        June 8, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
      • juice

        That's ludicrous. You are assuming that every immigrants are abusing the welfare program. Not necessarily true. If they come here to work legally, they pay taxes, have money and more likely will never need welfare programs for assistance.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
      • DJ Reality

        Hey how about taking about the article. Leave the President's family out of this discussion. They have absolutely nothing to do with immigration. Boy there is nothing like these immature remarks your kind puts up.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
      • f4pnts

        Where is this discrimination against immigrants? I see a lot of immigrants who want to be immigrants living in America. I dont see a lot of immigrants who want to be Americans living in America. They have 150 different types of parades and festivals to celebrate other cultures, and only 3 holidays to celebrate our US heritage. This country bends over backwards for everybody other than its own. Try getting away with that in any other nation.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
      • southexas

        what a dope u are ? Obama has more education than u do. your day is coming when the minoriities will rule the USA and it's around the corner. feel sorry for you and generation..

        June 8, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
      • ShuttheHellUp

        1stironweed is waste of human flesh, trolls like you should need a permit to exist in this planet, let alone this country.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
      • juice

        I personally know a lot of immigrants came to u.s., created more jobs here (contrary to some of those corporations that ship jobs overseas).

        June 8, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
      • Goodtymes

        obama aunt and uncle are illegal and living of the system. Illegals are just that illegal they did not follow the law and so which other laws should we turn our heads to?

        June 8, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
      • MC

        Did you read the article? Welfare cases? The people who come here who found companies (everything from the auto repair shop in my neighborhood to leading-edge Google), who provide the scientific expertise our country is unable to produce in sufficient numbers, who serve as doctors in "underserved" rural communities where American doctors don't want to work, who often have a higher per capita income that Americans of comparable education levels ... or who simply work hard at unglamorous jobs.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
      • Shann

        You are a number 1 Welfare case. You are smarting as if you are against it. When a fellow calls the First Family lives on welfare, he/she is an anti-patriotic.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
      • Norm

        MC...you have to realize.....most of the people leaving these comments are a lot less educated and successful than the immigrants coming into our country.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
      • al

        Typical conservative. Hates anyone who isn't male or white.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
      • Loren59

        So what if Obama had relatives who were on welfare. The fact that George H.W. Bush had a son who was an idiot (George W. Bush) did not disqualify him from the presidency.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
      • j. von hettlingen

        Indeed the U.S. should grant Syria's ethnic and religious minorities asylum. There will be less sectarian violence in Syria and these people will be very grateful and help the country flourish.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
      • Solo

        Albert – welfare recipient information is not private, since they are receiving taxpayer funded dollars and they do not directly earn them as wages. Do your homework.


        June 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
      • Robinho70

        Such non sense. It is not acceptable in the US to discriminate against legal immigrants. Demanding one follow the countries laws while immigrating and calling that discrimination is the height of Orwellian double speak!

        June 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
      • tjp44

        poor libs, never going to win this arguement....illegal is illegal and OShama has done nothing to fix it....NOTHING
        He's done

        June 8, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
      • MobiusEight

        @Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer Actually, slave labor was not free. Slaves were pretty expensive and not many individuals in the South actually had them, mostly just plantation owners, wealthy farm owners, and various rich people who wanted some house servants. Your average Joe couldn't afford to own a slave.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
      • Michelle

        @Travis – Did you really type that? You're right – Obama is not an immigrant. But if he was, why would he be a "shining example of the American dream"? Apparently you're unaware an immigrant cannot be President of the United States.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
      • Tirips

        How does Obama figure into any of this...missed the point of the article completely. Can't keep blaming Obama for everything...who you gonna blame after he finishes his second term? That is part of the problem with this country, we have become elitist and finger pointer...don't let outsiders in and blame our problems on anyone but ourselves....how's that working for us?

        June 8, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
      • Jim

        Man, the reality deniers are in full force today! I guess the simple fact that some of obama's family is on welfare just cooks their mellons!

        June 8, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
      • Fig1024

        That kind of argument makes me think of a fat lazy man with 3 slices of pizza, telling to a hungry man that he can't share because there are only 3 pieces left and he needs those to satisfy his own hunger

        June 8, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
      • SocalBB

        Really!?!?! We are going to be judged by what our family member did or do? How about you judge on what that person has done and not what his family or friends does. If that was the case, then I'm skrewed and most of America too.

        June 8, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
      • chefdugan

        The US does not need one more immigrant, legal or illegal! With the unemployment rate being what it is we should declare a ten year postponment of any applications. Maybe by then we will have taken back our culture.

        June 9, 2012 at 8:48 am |
      • annieo

        It was the president's mother who got on welfare so she could finish her education after she separated from her husband. And she was born here, she was not an immigrant.

        June 9, 2012 at 10:57 am |
      • Mike

        How telling it is to read these comments. Someone states truthful common knowledge and *immediately* those who preach tolerance and acceptance launch venomous personal attacks against them. Immediately and VERY personally. Telling indeed . . .

        June 10, 2012 at 10:00 am |
      • MannyHM

        Pres. Obama did not choose his relatives. However if he did something illegal to 'help' his relatives that's another matter.
        I wish this debate about issues that he does not have any control of should cease. It project more of our hate and prejudices as well as our intellectual poverty.

        June 10, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
      • barezic

        Ok... First, I can careless about Obama's family. As a legal immigrants, I really disagree with the fact that illegal immigrants are able to draw welfare benefits with the taxes I pay every day. On the other side, before you all go talk about the immigrants; do some research and you will see that with the US involvement in the world today, they owe a lot to those immigrants. It's not my place to point fingers, but after running so many countries to the ground and killing opportunities for many people of better future, the US government owes to many people out there

        June 10, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Ryan in Texas

      We pay people not to work, then have to import people to do the work they would have done.
      Pretty close to insanity.
      Those on handouts should be required to work. If no jobs are available in the fields, yards, or businesses – then they should sort recycling or clean streets. If they can do physical labor, they can work phonelines or computer related work.
      They will still have their safety net, but they will put in 40 hours a week of labor – just like the people paying for their handouts. We simply cannot afford to pay for 1/3 of the US to sit at home watching tv.
      Do that, and the need for immigrants plummets. Do that and billions of man hours of labor is now available without paying anything extra. Do that and the country reverses course and backs away from the cliff.

      June 8, 2012 at 11:15 am | Reply
      • Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer

        Do you know that Texas belongs to Mexico and you're the foreigner there?

        June 8, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
      • Ryan in Texas

        We were nice enough to let their leader go after we defeated their army.
        Our economy is about the same size as Mexico's right now. Yes – the entire COUNTRY of Mexico.

        June 8, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
      • Smitty

        The idea of having welfare people clean streets and perform other jobs such as cutting the grass in parks was tried here in Ontario. It didn't last because the Public Service Unions went on strike claiming it was taking their jobs.

        June 8, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
      • Scott2

        Blah, blah blag – go away. If you don't like America and live here, emigrate. If you are from another country, then just go away. Your remarks are worthless, acidic and counterproductive.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
      • Scott

        The only thing close to insanity is you. Get on some meds and stop with the Fox and Rush. You will be a better person, and people may start to like you again.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
      • Brian Hartman

        Blah Blah: I hate to break it to you, but Texas hasn't been part of Mexico since 1848. A little thing called the Mexican-American War happened. You might want to read about it.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
      • LOL

        @ Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer – so declare war and take it back! Texas does not belong to Mexico. The last time I checked it was annexed by the U.S. in 1845 which caused Mexico to go to war with the U.S. over the border dispute between them and Texas. The result of this war was that Mexico lost even more land to the U.S. Ready for round 2? Don't make stupid comments.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
      • David

        Most people on government assistance are the elderly, who paid into the system their entire working lives. If you want to see grandpa picking up litter on the side of the road, you are sick.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
      • Violet Weed

        Obama didn't work his way up to be president, he was placed in that role by his controllers... he is not experienced enough, ethical enough, America-loving enough or culturally smart enough to be President. He was not born in the USA and he is NOT a Christian. As for immigrants, legal or illegal, first of all this country, the USofA,was founded as a CHRISTIAN society and when people immigrate here, while they are not forced to believe a certain way, they should have done their homework and know this is a CHRISTIAN society. Furthermore, they should come to this country willing and able to give up their original-country belief system and meld into the the USofA belief system. Often, they do NOT. OFTEN they get on welfare here, or use our medical services without paying for them, or birth babies just so their babies will be citizens of the USofA. If those babies were born from illegal aliens, they do NOT deserve to be citizens. Also blaming racism on the Southern States is ludicrous. I've been in the computer industry (now 'i.t.') for DECADES and It is MY experientially acquired understanding that it is NORTHERN states that are racist these days,not southern ones. I can count on 3 fingers of one hand the number of african-americans I have worked with in technology in NORTHERN states... but in Southern States it is an entirely different story. Go walk through an I.T. department anywhere in Florida, Georgia, Alabama.... you'll see anywhere from 5-30% of the workers are AFRICAN american (of course 20% are (sub-continent) indian expatriates)... the rest are various shades of white. But do the same stroll in California, Washington State, NY, Mass, Illinois, etc. and count the number of African-Americans you see.... probably the total will be 1 to 3 out of every 100. GET IT??? RACISM is a YANKEE problem today. I've done my homework, many other commentors have NOT. FURTHERMORE it was racist african-americans who got Barack into the whitehouse... but even most blacks realize their mistake now.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
      • Sean

        Ryan, I understand your frustration, I live in Colorado and we have a horrible immigration problem. Better than punishing the illegals would be punishing the scandalous business owners who think its ok to hire an illegal immigrant and screw over our economy.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
      • Scarface86

        Actually we paid for Texas. You need to read some history.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
      • Dennis

        Living in Texas wouldn't be pretty close to insanity,it is insanity.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
      • Olga Levin

        "@ Blah blah the wheel's off your trailer – so declare war and take it back! Texas does not belong to Mexico. The last time I checked it was annexed by the U.S. in 1845 which caused Mexico to go to war with the U.S. over the border dispute between them and Texas. The result of this war was that Mexico lost even more land to the U.S. Ready for round 2? Don't make stupid comments"

        WOW! Boy are you even more wrong about that one. Texas never wanted to become part of the U.S. They wanted to be a separate republic. The Tejanos (ever heard of them?) asked the United States for their help in the Texas Revolution, you think that they really wanted to be annexed by the U.S.? The U.S. gladly went into help them because they saw land back then for resources. Once the Americans helped winning that war they settled in and the land kicked out all of the original inhabitants of that land.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
      • dhondi

        Blah,.....google the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
      • Tee

        "Do you know that Texas belongs to Mexico and you're the foreigner there?"______________________________________ Mexico was paid hansomly for all territory aquired during the war. Do some research before spouting off like a 3rd grader.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
      • Okie Navy Guy

        I agree totally. Long ago when I retired from the Navy I actually went on food stamps for a few months because of job hunting. I asked the social worker if I could do any work becasue I felt kind of bad about using food stamps. She just laughed and said,"Don't worry about it. THat's what they are for". I really feel that some people who are disabled and can't work shouldn't have to do so but people who are fully able to work should be put to work even a few hours a day cleaning roadways or doing something to help out. I think most of them would even feel better about it.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
      • MC

        Since many of our labor needs are for higher educated people, it may be difficult to simply place unemployed people and those on assistance into these positions. Could the typical welfare recipient or unemployed tradesperson take a job as a scientist?

        June 8, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
      • zaxxonzz

        LOL. If Texas belongs to Mexico, then Mexico belongs to Spain. The US belongs to the UK along with Canada and India, Indonesia belongs to the Dutch... I mean where does this stupid argument go? Texas declared it's independence from Mexico, it was actually an Independent nation (it even had it's own currency), what's wrong with a state declaring it's independence from a national gov't that doesn't represent it?

        June 8, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
      • Terminator

        Blah blah,
        Actually, Mexico (and Texas) was owned by the Spanish before being owned by Mexico, so if I were you, I'd be looking over my shoulder to make sure Spain isn't creeping back into Mexico to 'get back' what was once their's.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
      • Regionally oppressed

        So, your hispanic boss isn't that great for you? We have enough people, legal citizen's, who are not able to find a job. We don't need anymore illegals. If they are talented, and have drive, they can fix their own country. We need to focus on job generation for legal citizens, not legal residents or illegal residents, but legal citizens.

        June 8, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
      • Daylene

        Ryan in Texas, apparently you are unaware that a large percentage of people on assistance actually ARE working.

        June 8, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
      • Ryan in Texas

        Texas beat Mexico in a war in 1836. That is when Texas became it's own nation.
        Many people here were against joining the US, more were for it. We did in 1845.
        Mexico can't even control it's gangs with it's entire military.
        So the only thing that worries Texas about an invasion from Mexico is the one Washington is forcing on us right now.

        June 8, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Mike500

      You and the author are woefully lacking in facts. Every year the US allows in over 1 million legal immigrants. That's more than the rest of the world combined. So how is it that we have something to learn from the other 199 countries' immigration policies, when ours are more liberal than all of thers combined? We also naturalize almost 1 million a year as new citizens. So the vast majority of those we legally admit are becoming citizens. Next time you and the author should get some facts before venting a totally uninformed opinion.

      June 8, 2012 at 11:39 am | Reply
      • Dipan

        What is your source for 1 million?

        June 8, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
      • Ryan in Texas

        It's usually closer to 1.5 million legal immigrants a year.
        Do we really need more people?
        Isn't 310 million enough?

        June 8, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
      • William

        In 2011, the total number of persons naturalizing was 694,193. The leading countries of birth of new citizens were Mexico (94,783), India (45,985), the Philippines (42,520), the People’s Republic of China (32,864), and Colombia (22,693). The largest number of persons naturalizing lived in California (151,183), Florida (87,309), and New York (76,603). These numbers only include naturalized individuals and not others allowed into the country by other legal means. From DNS website. 11.2 million illegal immigrants lived in the United States in 2010, virtually the same as a year earlier and holding steady after peaking at 12 million in 2007, according to a new report from the Pew Hispanic Center.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
      • Patrick

        I think the key here is that net migration since about 2005 has been zero. So yes, people come into the United States, but in recent times, an equal number of people are leaving. The reason why the United States is the biggest target of migrants is because it is a big country. The countries of Europe of course, measured by population, are much smaller than the U.S. And the only other countries that are larger than the U.S. in terms of population are not substantial destinations for migration because they are not developed. So to point out that the U.S., in raw numbers, accepts a lot of migrants isn't really interesting.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
      • Mike500

        Source of statistics:

        www DOT dhs DOT gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/lpr_fr_2010.pdf

        Replace DOt with a dot and eliminate the spaces. this is a DHS report on immigration.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
      • lionhart

        A large portion of our population dies every year too.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
      • mj

        agree with previous post, raw number doesn't tell a story.

        But to build on that...the raw number also doesn't reflect liberal nor conservative policy. Just because a lot of people come doesn't make it more liberal than any other country.

        As someone who has explored emigrating for family reasons I have actualy found the process to be much simpler to immigrate legally into some other countries than it was to enter the US with an advanced degree and an employer sponsor. In our original country my wife was a citizen within 3 yrs after immigration. Took me 6 to get a green card and now am waiting another boatload to become a citizen....so who is more liberal?

        June 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
      • Scott

        I'm curious mike. Do you really think making things up to justify your psychosis is really what America needs. We are a nation of immigrants living as we always have, and we have much less immigration than in the past. They only thing that has changed is your life, and it's a change for the worse. Stop worrying about the rest of the world and start worrying about yourself.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
      • Rob TO

        The 1 million number covers both new immigrants coming in as permanent residents (roughly half a million a year) and immigrants already in-country upgrading their status to permanent resident. As such the number does not reflect total new immigration, since it also excludes new legal immigrants with temporary status.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
      • ELast

        When you just make stuff up, you lose all credibility on everything you say.

        2011 immigrants to Germany: 958,000
        2011 immigrations to Canada: 250,000

        I stopped there because I only need to look up two countries find out your "more than all the rest of the world combined" is completely made-up BS.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
      • Steve

        Let's try at least to get the numbers right:

        *Net Migration per 1,000 of Population (and Total Number)
        – USA: 3.62 (1,120,000)
        – Germany: 0.71 (57,000)
        – Canada: 5.56 (190,000)

        The US takes a huge number every year (>1Mil) and has been doing so year after year, decade after decade for over 40 years.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
      • Mike500

        Scott, I provided a citation from DHS for the US part of my statistics. Based on your post, i went back and looked up the other part (which I had read elsewhere, but DIDN'T MAKE UP) and found you were correct. In any event the 1 million we admit is probably more than any other individual country, and in fact has been the average for more than 10 years. So we do indeed do more than our share at immigration. If we were smart, we would be much more selective, only admitting those who are skilled and can contribute, rather than allowing so many unskilled people. Though not the best source, Wiki estimates that based on polling over 600 million people would klike to emmigrate to another country, wich about 255 of them listing the US as their choice. That's another 125 million people. Do you really think we can absorb that?

        June 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
      • Daylene

        We are a country of immigrants. Unless you are of 100% Native American stock, you or your ancestors were immigrants. So it's hardly fair to say, "Oh, thanks for letting me and my family in... but no more, please."

        June 8, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
      • Ryan in Texas

        We are not a nation of immigrants.
        The vast majority were born here.

        June 8, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Ted

      We have no more room or money especially for third world people who are nothing but a financial drain. Not to mention the muslims who are accepted as refugees then plan to blow up their very generous host country.

      June 8, 2012 at 12:05 pm | Reply
      • Jack the Ripper

        You are a moron Ted

        June 8, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
      • Jackola

        Those who blew up new York on 9/11 (assuming that is what you are talking about) were anything but refugees. In fact, "playboys" would have been a better description of them. Do your research moron

        June 8, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
      • Mary

        According to Gallop survey the highest recipients of welfare are white Americans from the Southern God Fearing racist, uneducated, states in America. How many Asians do you know who are on welfare?!

        June 8, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
      • Monica

        I think the small countries who graciously let in all those refugees from muslim countries deeply regret it. There have been countless tries at blowing them up, not to mention the murders for presumed insults to islam. Here we have the same thing, plus the massive numbers of America hating illegals depleting our social services.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
      • Needz

        Agreed with mary..and i think ted is on welfare..

        June 8, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
      • Norm

        Yeah Ted....you're a moron....

        June 8, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
      • mj

        So I am an immigrant....I came from another country with a graduate degree and had an employment sponsor...I pay my taxes, have no debt, now have a us born child....

        So all immigrants are refugess or 3rd world welfare cases? The days of "give us your sick" are largely gone...you are paranoid about something you clearly don't understand...

        Conservatives in this country, the intelligent leaders who want free market understand the importance of letting in highly innovative minds from other countries to create internal compeition and keep us on top.

        Yet moron like yourself think every immigrant is a potato famine victim and think they need to be kept out for fear of your taxes paying for their welfare.

        Give your head a shake, wake up to reality.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
      • lee

        monica my best friend growing up was a Muslim whose family came from India and guess what he's a citizen and a marine who did two tours in Afghanistan so F off you racist pig!

        June 8, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
      • Scott

        I have read several pages of post, and have come to the conclusion that many of the people commenting from the right sound like Nazi's. I can't help wonder if this is how it started in Germany. The truth is many of the immigrants coming in will be better citizens than the Americans commenting on this forum for the Far Right.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
      • TheMendicantBias

        Ted, you're an imbecile; please don't reproduce, ty.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
      • Tirips

        Who let all the ignorant racists and bigots out? I thought we had secured the locks!

        June 8, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • Elana

      Yeah sweetheart, lets bank roll a bunch of syrians who have no 1st world skills just so we can feel all phucking kumbaya about ourselves. This is not the 20th century where we need smelting hands. We need educated workers, advanced skills and the people you are talking about have none of that. My local unemployment center, right down from my house is full of third world immigrants who came here and got their pooch skrewed because they have no computer skills and now I have to pay for it. EFF THAT

      June 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm | Reply
      • lionhart

        American ranks in the high teens and low twenties in Math and Science and education in general. Chances are immigrants would be smarter than us.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
      • Norm

        What a classy broad......

        So I guess you know what the inside of your local unemployment office looks like.
        Thanks for sharing you female Foxtard....
        Go beg Murdoch to open comments over at racist central.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
      • Marcos

        Elana, Elana, Elana, I am a Mexican immigrant who came to the U.S in 1992 at the age of 17. I was dirt poor in Mexico, so when I came here I appreciated and took advantage of each and every opportunity this country gave me, in spite of all the racism and prejudice that I faced. Oh yes my dear racists do exist and prejudice people are everywhere in Liberal California. I worked full time while finishing my High School Diploma, went on to college, and I have two Associate Degrees one in computer science, one in foreign language, I have a bachelors degree in Spanish and a Masters degree in Business Administration and Public Policy. I own my business and employ other Americans. I had to run across the border illegally because the Immigration System of our country is broken and I had no way to immigrate legally. I know about immigration law because I am an immigration Consultant and have practiced for 10 years plus having gone through the system myself. Educate yourself before you post an uninformed opinion I suggest. We immigrants contribute more than you think.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
      • Say what?

        Wow Elana, the hate you exude is gross!

        June 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
      • Tirips

        How ignorant to assume one is without an education and skills because they were not born here...get your facts straight...the good ole USA falls further and further behind in education every year...we are producing more uneducated and unskilled people than ever nowadays.

        June 8, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
      • ikenelson

        That's a wonderful story, Marcos, but 45 percent of Latino children of immigrants drop out of high school, and less than 10 percent graduate from college. Your story is anything but typical. Most of the immigrants who come from south of the Rio Grande are low skill workers whose only employment prospects lie in undercutting the wages of native born low skill workers.

        June 9, 2012 at 5:32 am |
      • Delmar H. Knudson

        Perhaps you've hear of Steve Jobs who ran Apple Computer (inc.) until his recent death. His father was Syrian.

        June 10, 2012 at 12:20 am |
    • Jack

      Seriously? While it is a nice fluffy argument the reality is different. People come into this country illegally and get free health care, free schooling for their kids, and than arrested, all paid for by our tax $$s. They contribute nothing to society other than making low wadge jobs even lower taking them away from hard working tax paying citizens. It's not our responsibility to make other nations as nice as we built ours, and it's not job to make sure people over there are as good and as rich as we are.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:16 pm | Reply
      • Norm

        The article had nothing to do with "illegal" immigrants.
        I guess your tiny brain is stuck in a loop from spending too much time over at fox.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
      • Tirips

        While none of your comment has to do with the article you should be aware that the majority of illegals work under false social security numbers and pay taxes. You don't see the US Government refusing to collect those taxes. And most states in this country you do not qualify for welfare services if you can't prove you are here legally; besides most, fearful of being deported will not even apply. Instead they work 16 to 20 hour days working well below the minimum wage, in jobs most Americans think are beneath them, living in homes packed full of people...while our own American citizens collect welfare, can afford cell phone and big screen TVs paid for by those welfare checks. I say round up the American welfare recipients who don't want to work, deport them, and offer citizenship to those illegally here but willing to work for a living.

        June 8, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Ken

      Nice try. Internationalism doesn't work. What you're really arguing is to have no borders, one single "country," under a socialist political system of course, right comrade? "Fairness." "Equality." No religion. Sell it the islamio-fascists first. LOL.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Reply
      • Kana

        Kinda like New World Order?

        June 8, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
      • Norm

        It's funny how many FOXTARDS have "immigrated" over here to CNN since trailer park central closed down commenting over there.
        There goes the neighborhood.............

        June 8, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
      • MC

        Uh, Ken, movement of labor, capital, etc. is a capitalist notion. Have you even studied economics 101?

        June 8, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
      • Tirips

        Norm, that explains a lot...was wondering what happened....

        June 8, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • Ken

      There's one country that's way ahead of us on this concept. It's called Mexico and they're doing great! Oh, and the former East Germany is another example. It was a shining beacon of light and hope, oh and change too.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm | Reply
    • terry

      what a moronic comment. No country now, in the past or in the future could survive and thrive if anybody at anytime from anywhere could come to your country and avail themselves of jobs,social welfare programs etc etc etc. There is also no other country in the world with citizens as moronic who think this is never never land and would ever propose anything like it. Why don't you check the Mexican laws for people who cross their border illegally and then grow up get with the real world

      June 8, 2012 at 2:27 pm | Reply
      • MC

        So, uh, how did your ancestors get here "in the past"? I think the US has done OK.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
      • Say what?

        This country is an immigrant nation, like it or not. Xenophobia is a disease.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • willko

      Syrian birthrate 24 per 1000
      U.S. Birthrate (largely driven by immigrants -legal and illegal 14 per 1000
      More immigration -No Thanks!

      Will the US be a better place to live when it reaches 1B- I think not

      June 8, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Reply
    • max3333444555

      I dont know about the humanity argument. We all feel bad about the folks in Syria but I would never send American troops to solve the problem.

      I have a perfectly selfish reason to want immigrants in this country. We need people to come in who can envision the American dream, start businesses, be the first to ever go to college, and bring in new ideas (yeah yeah I know, culture of America blah blah). I think that more immigration will make a better country for my children.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
      • Ralph100

        Most Americans have nothing against legal immigrants it's the illegals that most are against. Of course most of us are descendants immigrants. That has nothing to do with people sneaking into this country breaking our laws and costing us billions.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • mikaman3000

      to Oh really......"Could anyone in your inbred and sadly intellectually challenged family do the same? I seriously doubt it. Keep your hate comments for the folks at the weekly meeting of the trailer park homeowner's association. I'm sure they are more appreciated there."
      Could you please explain to everyone how it is that you fancy yourself any better than the person you are replying to.
      I'm pretty sure that if you take a look in the mirror the reflection you would see would be that of a hypocrite.
      Hate is Hate is Hate, so please don't think that you are on any type of moral high ground.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Reply
    • advocatusdiaboli

      Why do some otherwise intelligent people fail to understand most of us oppose ILLEGAL immigrants not all immigrants. Most nations of the world have far more strict immigration laws than the US and it's time we tighten ours as well. Few oppose legal immigration.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:56 pm | Reply
    • Alaric

      America needs LEGAL immigrants, people who are educated and willing to work hard. We can do without those who despise us, yet would come here to take advantage of our still generous welfare state. America is a country built by immigrants, immigrant talent and hard work made it happen. Fail to control immigration and the nation will crumble- think I'm wrong? Go ask the Romans......

      June 8, 2012 at 2:59 pm | Reply
      • Say what?

        Hatred, ignorance, fear-mongering, spreading myths. You covered all the bases in your little comment.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
      • max3333444555

        the romans didnt go away because of illegal immigration. one of their policies was to grant citizenship (sometimes after slavery) to those they conquered. i dont understand your premise

        June 8, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • BRUCE


      June 8, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Reply
      • Alaric

        We're about too late Bruce- but if you find the lock I'll help you-

        June 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
      • Norm

        Don't let the "gate" slap you on the a s s on your way out Brucey.....

        June 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • Billy

      sounds like all immigrants are Great and all Americans are dimwits, our problem is that we let in too many immigrant dimwits that suck our/my hard earned resources for the chance of one Golden Turd.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:01 pm | Reply
      • aa

        you f idiot you immigrated from England dont say our hard earned resource no one earns resources it comes from the earth you illiterate dumba.. stop crying like a b****. It was your forefathers who screwed with almost half of the worlds countries and yet are in debt... what goes around comes around... atleast cos of us the economy is still intact... you think the lazy people using there food stamps etc are the guys who are holding up your economy? we pay taxes which we never get nor do we get food stamps nor anything else... we contribute to the economy not you.. you guys talk as if we are robbing you off your jobs.. its talent that needs or gets a job...

        June 8, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • David

      My goodness! Gay Americans who were on the front lines of two recent wars and have been on the front lines of all wars were only given their rights to speak just last year. The corpse of the Republican gift of Don't Ask, Don't Tell is barely cold and not yet fully buried. Only two Republican Senators crossed the lines to vote with their Democratic counterparts to end this shameful era in our history. Let's work on the inalienable rights of Americans first. The Supreme Court told us in 2003 in Texas vs. Lawrence to stop interfering in the lives of gay Americans, but Republicans never got the memo. They are also responsible for the truly egregious roadblocks to immigration reform. Their strong tendencies toward flag waving and invoking the name of God at every turn have them stuck in a strongly nationalistic narrative where fully gay Americans and immigrants will never be fully included in this short span we call life.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:08 pm | Reply
      • John Rohan

        David, June 8, 2012 at 3:08 pm,

        First of all "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was implemented by a DEMOCRAT President, not a Republican. Second of all, our last mass amnesty in 1986 woud implemented by a Republican. Look it up. How about learning some history instead of giving us more partisan hackery?

        June 9, 2012 at 5:09 am |
      • Big Bob

        Gay Americans. The real 1%.

        June 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Eric

      I think it needs to be kept in context-right now there aren't enough jobs for the people that are already here. Why would you let more people in if there isn't the work for them right now? It's also a dirty secret that companies love to hire legal immigrants that need sponsorship to work here, and turn them into indentured servants. The company pays for their visa, and unless another company is willing to sponsor them the workers are stuck at that company unless they want to get deported.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:13 pm | Reply
      • max3333444555

        this is opposition to LEGAL immigration. your are taking issue with H1B and work visas. most of the talk has been about illegal immigration. frankly, i dont know whether H1B are good or bad. Have worked with people here who were on a H1B and they seem like decent folks working towards US citizenship for the most part.

        June 8, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
      • Vik

        Eric, do you see the hypocrisy here? Most of the folks in this thread want legal immigration. Now you don't want legal immigration. You can't have the cake and eat it too. US has to decide if it wants immigrants or not. If US does not want any sort of immigration, it should just make it the state policy. This helps people who are trying to legally immigrate here make better life choices. But, if you do want LEGAL immigration, then don't crib about H1B or any other program. There are always abuses in any program, just make the laws stronger and fines heftier.

        June 10, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Kyle

      The only immigrants I see in Houston are pushing a double baby carriage, pregnant and on their way to use the emergency room as a doctors office.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Reply
      • Billy

        Same here in Vallejo,Ca

        June 8, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
      • MC

        Hmm ... ever been in the offices of a tech company?

        June 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
      • Daylene

        They are all pregnant, huh? No men, then... is that what you are saying? Oh, I see... you only "see" femaie immagrants. You just aren't looking at the male immigrants, I guess.

        June 8, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
      • Texas

        Try the customs line (passport control) at IAH (or any major city's airport) to see the exact opposite, in terms of socio-economic status for newly minted US citizens/recent legal immigrants. There you'll find the CEO's and business owners.

        June 8, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
      • John Rohan

        Anyone who doubts Kyle can look at the example of Parkland hospital in Dallas, where 70% of the babies are born there to illegal immigrants.


        June 9, 2012 at 5:22 am |
    • mhill68123

      A vast majority of immigrants wind up using welfare even though they are not supposed to be allowed on the welfare roles.
      I wouldn't mind people who actually add some value to America, but most add nothing other than forced diversity.
      Is it a coincidence that many of the Eurozone countries are limiting immigration more each day?
      Why not educate Americans and let them take the jobs these immigrants are stealing from Americans.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Reply
      • Daylene

        LOL... A "vast majority" of immigrants are on welfare... hmmm... but they are also "stealing American jobs." Which is it? Can't have it both ways.

        By the way, it is actually a minority of legal immigrants who end up on welfare, not a majority.

        Just curious... how did your ancestors get here? Oh, wait... immigration?

        June 8, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
      • ikenelson

        Both, Daylene. The men work for "under the table" pay, while the women collect AFDC and food stamps. This is a very common arrangement in Southern California.

        June 9, 2012 at 5:44 am |
    • DOD

      The article failed to mention Legal Immigrants. There are much more illegalls here than legals- and they brought crime to the US.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:17 pm | Reply
      • MC

        I think the entire article is about legal immigrants ...

        June 8, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
      • Say what?

        DOD: spare us the huge generalizations you're making. The level of ignorance on this blog blows my mind. You have been brainwashed.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
      • ikenelson

        No, MC, the main idea of this piece is that there should be no such thing as legal or illegal immigration, that denying entry into the US based on economic desirability is a form of discrimination on par with racial segregation and anti-gay bigotry, and that the US does not have the moral right to control its own borders. Feel free to agree, I vehemently disagree.

        June 9, 2012 at 5:51 am |
    • Mike

      Why would we let more immigrants into this country when we can't even take care of the ones we already have? People keep preaching about opportunity, but that is shrinking drastically. Their are millions of americans that need the opportunity above anyone else. Please keep in mind in case you are behind in the times that this country is 16 TRILLION in debt. The higher it rises, the less opportunity any american will have.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Reply
      • Daylene

        How did your ancestors get here?

        June 8, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
      • JaySF

        "All of our ancestors were immigrants" doesn't justify present-day immigration policies.

        June 9, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • gingersrule1

      People need to make their own countries worth living in. Not be trying to come here. I hate the guy who writes these articles. He is extremely liberal about everything he writes about. When we let poor people come in from other countries they are willing to work for next to nothing. This drives wages down for anyone that has been here trying to work their way up. I know. It happens here in Washington State. Illegals come to eastern Washington to pick apples in the orchards every year. When the workers try to strike for more money the farmers just threaten to bring in new workers who will work for even less. If you think this only applies in farming you are gullible and stupid. We can't fit the whole world in our borders. If we want the world to have the freedoms we have we need to help these 3rd world countries attain their democracies instead of leaving them to perish at the hands of their dictators. There is no damned if you do damned if you don't. People won't like it but we must push our idea of freedom. We had a civil war almost a century after we became the free nation we are. We can't expect that any country we help is going to adopt democracy as we have. Look at what we had to go through. The civil war wasn't fought to free the slaves. It was fought over money. Freeing the slaves was a much needed benefit to our democracy as slavery goes completely against our way of life. For democracy to survive it must be paid for in lives and with money in wars. There are leaders in our world that oppose freedom so much so they are willing to murder their own people to prevent the idea from taking hold. Like Syria. Many of you over zealous liberals would argue against helping the people of Syria and ignore the news so you don't have to see the dead children. I am mostly liberal but I realize that to protect freedom sometimes we must fight for it. Freedom was granted to us by God and our politicians and leaders do nothing but take that freedom away.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Reply
      • Marc

        When the workers try to strike for more money the farmers just threaten to bring in new workers who will work for even less. -– And who do blame for this? employer or employee? As long as people are willing to employ illegals for the sake of "better Profits" this will not stop.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
      • warsteiner

        Marry me Gingersrule1

        June 9, 2012 at 6:11 am |
    • Annabanana

      Noone is descriminating if they come here LEGALLY. This illegal s*it has to stop. No other country lets you come there illegally. Do you hear this Obama?

      June 8, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Reply
      • gingersrule1

        That is absolutely right Annabanana. That's why I'm saying we need to support other countries in fighting their dictators. We have a chance with the Arab Spring to help the poor and unfortunate realize that freedom can be won and that America is not anti Muslim. What have we done during this Arab Spring other than keep our hands in our pockets? Here in the US our long term welfare is dependent on us not having the only democracy.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
      • realist

        gingersrule1 – how about we start with our own dictators first? Ok?

        June 8, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
      • MC

        Obama has been tougher on illegal immigration than virtually all the presidents before him, save perhaps Nixon ...

        June 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
      • gingersrule1

        We don't have dictators here. We have a bunch of dumb citizens that think only democrats and republicans can represent them. Our leaders get picked based on their stances to issues like immigration and gay rights and abortion instead of any kind of genuine desire to see this country grow. We can't focus on just this country because we aren't the center of the universe. We watched the Jews die in the holocaust and did nothing to stop it. We also vowed to never let it happen again. We did let it happen in Darfur. We are letting it happen in South Sudan and Syria. Evil dictators must be brought to justice in order for this world to see any semblance of peace. MLK Jr. had a dream that civil rights would be guaranteed for everyone in the world. We must chase that dream. I just know it.

        June 8, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
      • Daylene

        I don't think you have been well informed of Obama's illegal immigration policies.

        June 8, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
    • rrock

      We should allow skilled, educated people into this country who are able to speak the language. Not uneducated manual laborers who can under cut our poor in the search for jobs.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • Anthony

      Bottom line there aren't enough jobs to go around for the immigrants. Especially when they are willing to work for substantially less than the prevailing wage.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:33 pm | Reply
      • realist

        They work for less than the prevailing wage because they send the money home. The dollar is still strong in many other countries, so an American worker who works here and has to live in this economy can't survive on a few bucks an hour. The immigrant can earn 5 dollars an hour, and send it home. It then turns into 30 dollars an hour. Then we hear we're all lazy and won't work for what the immigrants will. Bull.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • dhondi

      Sounds sustainable!

      June 8, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Reply
    • john smith

      LEGAL immigrants. Sure.


      Illegal? No.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:34 pm | Reply
    • charles martel

      you cannot maintain a first world nation with those from the third world.its simple.its not about disliking them. how can help other nations when we are slowly slipping to a second world nation because of third world immigration?

      June 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Reply
    • realist

      It's not our job to give you human rights. If you want human rights, get it in your own country. Rise up, and face your government like we did over 200 years ago. Take your country back. Don't depend on the US to give you what you're not man enough to take on your own.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Reply
      • just sayin'

        uh, was your family here 200 years ago to fight back against Britain? how many of our families were here back then?

        June 8, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
      • Daylene

        Unless you are 100% Native American, you or your ancestors were immigrants.

        June 8, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Ted

      We can't let the whole world in. We can't let all of Mexico in. The key is to improve conditions in other countries. And people have to come in legally. America is already very stretched thin.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:58 pm | Reply
    • Diana

      Why shouldn't we expect that the U.S. might discriminate about immigrants based on where they were born? It does that already even with its own citizens born right here.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:10 pm | Reply
    • couldbe49

      You are some lousy troll! This is not the 1800's. We did the hungry, tired and poor thing back then, and it worked out OK. Today's world is vastly different place today. This article is propaganda for the NWO.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Reply
    • Noname

      The problem isn't that these people aren't qualified or wouldn't be good citizens. The problem is that for every person we need the infrastructure in place to support them. We need homes, roads, food, police, fire department, health services, etc. Letting anyone and everyone in to give them a chance is foolish. Take a look at some of the poor countries in this world. Many don't have what we consider basic necessities, and yet their populations continue to explode as they have more children in an already overburdened system. We simply cannot allow that to happen here, no matter how unfair it may seem.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Reply
    • Terminator

      Zakaria is an idiot. Most of the US is NOT against immigration if it is done LEGALLY and according to the law. The objection we have is against those immagrants that are here ILLEGALLY. My wife is a foreign born immigrant, (from the Ukraine) and I brought her legally, and she is now a US citizen. What burns ME up, is the people sneaking across the boarder and soaking up our tax dollars for their benefit.
      Why should I have to pay thousands of dollars in Immigration fees to make sure my wife can live here legally, when millions of others do if at no cost, and then leach off the government on top of that. It burns me up.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:25 pm | Reply
      • leftinbrooklyn


        It's absurd to ask me to respect someone, and willingly accept them into my country, when their first act upon entering my country is an illegal one-showing total disrespect for my country...

        June 9, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Elyse

      Sure, let's throw open the doors so everyone from the third world with an IQ of less that 75 can come here and be supported for life by working, taxpaying American slaves. Let them pop out kids every year and perpetuate the idea of generational freebie addicts. This country should be called freebie nation, uless you're American then it doesn't apply

      June 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Reply
    • Polaris

      As usual Fareed Z. is wrong in his views and totally misunderstands Americans. Americans are not anti-immigrant when those individuals have immigrated here legally. Americans are opposed to illegal immigrants who have broken the law to come here. We do not accept the argument that nothing can or should be done about them. They should be forced to self-deport by enforcing the laws against hiring them and there should be no public services provided for them. Also, everything in this country does not and should not be printed in both Spanish and English. Immigrants must learn to assimilate to succeed in this country – therefore they must learn English.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Reply
      • Terminator

        Couldn't have said it better myself

        June 8, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Wilder Napalm

      What are you talking about? Syrians are free to legally immigrate to America.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:36 pm | Reply
    • thetruth

      Understand why anyone would want to bring their family to America......However, being pragmatic...our infrastructure is overloaded by the millions of illegal immigrants already here....just look at California their educational, medical, social services infrastructure is nearly bankrupt with dramatically reduced services due in large part by illegal immigration . C'mon, even though you would want to, 'you can't put 50 people in a 25 person life raft'.......we need to enact something like the Kennedy/McCain comprehensive immigration bill......read it before you overreact......

      June 8, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • Matt

      Is it so awful to require people to become citizens before they reap the benefits of america. You should try to learn the language and at least know some history about why you are able to come here. The problem is all of the illegal migrants cause this issue to come up. No other country on earth allows people to just show up and start working and reaping the benefits of thier citizens. if i understand correctly we want to allow whoever wants to come, to come here and work and get what american citizens get. For goodness sake immigrants blew up the trade centers, there needs to be laws and steps to becoming a citizen of the united states.

      June 8, 2012 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • juliotoolio

      "Obama’s Aunt Zeituni Onyango was an illegal immigrant from Kenya and living off the American welfare system"

      what's the deal with liberals? proud to be uninformed and calling facts "racist"???

      June 8, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Reply
    • Greenjeans

      Love to have immigrants...the ones with great ideas, who are educated and have money in the bank.

      June 8, 2012 at 5:56 pm | Reply
    • Ben from Cali

      I propose a compromise: one that respects both American workers and refugees.

      1. Immigration quotas should be tied to unemployment figures. Right now, millions of Americans are unemployed, and millions more endure a daily struggle to survive. The government of the United States MUST, first and foremost, be dedicated to the welfare of American citizens. This is not a matter of confusion or debate. This also includes reducing the military's policy of hiring foreign personnel.

      2. For refugees, they should be granted a humanitarian asylum period, ranging from 10 months to four years, and in that time they could be educated in sustainable farming techniques, self-defense, entrepreneurship, and other steps beneficial to helping their communities grow.

      3. Mass immigration should be drastically scaled back to a maximum of 100,000 to 200,000 per year.

      June 8, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Reply
    • Ben from Cali

      In general, the current immigration system is extremely harmful to working class Americans.

      And let's not forget the environmental impact of mass immigration. Where are we going to house the next 100 million people? Mass urban sprawl. Goodbye nature.

      June 8, 2012 at 7:04 pm | Reply
    • tzrxsmith

      Opening the floodgates to high-skill immigrants has no relevance to the proportion of companies started by immigrants–it is only proposed because it will reduce the cost of labor in the United States, demeaning the occupations, cutting into opportunities for graduates and experienced Americans...Americans who've paid taxes their whole lives to build the infrastructure these companies survive under-now you want to give away the jobs too. In a time of excruciating unemployment among Americans-high-skill among them-you want to open the floodgates and make it harder for genuine Americans to be employed. Thanks. This op-ed is just a tool for the technology companies that are souring on India because the hourly rate is going up over there-its making less sense for them to outsource to New Delhi, but they want the Americans back in their shops "on the cheap". They want the labor costs lower. The quickest way to do that is offer citizenship to people who will accept lower salaries and lesser working conditions. I think we've had it. Any politician who goes along with this farce will voted out of office. You're not fooling anyone with this tripe. This article is an unpatriotic diatribe against Americans ("the lazy American", it says). I hope the author(s) return to their native countries forthwith. Please don't come back.

      June 8, 2012 at 10:36 pm | Reply
      • Hiway

        Amen brother!

        June 9, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • Miguel

      "The US Supreme Court is currently hearing a Federal lawsuit against Arizona over
      the state’s controversial S.B. 1070, the results of which have not pleased the
      White House’s ruling party.
      those critics have shrunk into the shadows following the Supreme Court’s initial
      findings that Arizona is well within its rights to enforce existing federal
      immigration and border control laws – laws which the feds themselves haven’t
      managed to get around to enforcing.

      Apparently, Supreme Court justices took a rather dim view of the Obama administration’s
      dictatorial claim that ‘it will stop Arizona from enforcing existing immigration laws.’
      Obama’s inside weapon was Justice Elana Kagan, until she was forced to recuse herself
      from the case because of her biased views on the Arizona immigration issue dating back
      to her service as Obama’s solicitor general in 2010. In political terms,
      Kagan’s ejection from the case was a rare incidence of “what goes around, comes around”
      – nothing less than a first round knock-out blow to Obama’s case.

      AZ State Senator(R) Russell Pearce travelled to Washington to defend his
      state’s rights, and to testify on the burden of illegal immigration on
      Arizona. Pearce explained, “I have been in public service most of my
      life and I have seen the real costs and damage caused by the presence
      of illegal aliens in our country. In Arizona alone, the annual cost of
      illegal immigration is approximately $2.6 billion”. "

      Plenty of States waiting intently whether Arizona wins the rights on this.
      Plenty of States want to wean ILLEGALS and their true expenses that are weighted
      upon each states expense budgets instead of just the Federals budgets.

      June 9, 2012 at 12:48 am | Reply
    • warsteiner

      If the good people are coming to American to assimilate to our country. then why are there big signs at the airports in places like Puerto rico, Mexico,and so many other places. THAT TELL PEOPLE THE BEST STATES AND CITIES TO GO TO FOR THE MOST WELFARE BENEFIETS.

      June 9, 2012 at 6:09 am | Reply
    • Whatever

      A nice arguement brought to us by Monsanto, Dow, Big Oil and Merck.
      Third World Overbreeding must not be encouraged or accommodated in any way for any reason. It is perilous behavior for ALL involved.
      America is MAXED OUT. Period. Potable water shortages right around the corner as it is. "Show we care" by becoming as bad as the places fled as fast as possible? Places where Americans themselves are Not Welcomed? Where's the Logic, Reason, Nobility or Morality in That?

      Breeeding/Immigration run amok to appease Corporate Greed is what all this "We are one" is about.
      Oh and Adios white people, literacy, manageable crime rates and green space while we're at it.

      June 9, 2012 at 7:36 am | Reply
    • want it fixed?

      All you have to do to fix the issue is take all the illegal's and make them citizens...POOF...they ALL PAY TAXES...FIXED..

      OH, but wait...now GOP do NOT hav free labor...Oh my!

      June 9, 2012 at 9:10 am | Reply
    • want it fixed?

      All you have to do to fix the issue is take all the illegal's and make them citizens...POOF...they ALL PAY TAXES...FIXED..

      OH, but wait...now GOP do NOT hav free labor...Oh my!

      June 9, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
    • Hiway

      What I don't want to see is this country looking like tthe streets of Toyko. How many are enough? How many can the United States support environmentally with shortages in narural resources like water already evident? What are the numbers?.

      June 9, 2012 at 6:34 pm | Reply
    • HonestyCounts

      The writer has missed out the most important reason that America needs immigrants. The Demographic Winter is already here.
      Due to contraception, abortion and professional women not having children, the population is not being replaced; therefore there will be fewer people to produce goods; buy goods; pay taxes; and defend the country – therefore economies will fail. 62% of American homes are without children. There are also 5 times the number of elderly to childen.

      Russia also os losing 700,000 citizens a year for the same reasons. Putin offered women $900 + $140 per month for each child + one third of their current salary per child.but thgere are hardly any takers. In 32 years the current trend loss will increase and cut the population by 50%. China face the same 50% decrease.

      The European countries population has already shrunk by 13% and rising rapidly.

      America blames hispanics for their troubles and wish them away. Be CAREFUL what you wish for.Immigrants are keeping the USA economy moving because USA didn't do their homework. Emerging countries are the ONLY ones replacing themselves. We NEED them.

      Look up Demographic Winter – and remember – whatever your private opinion, these people are demographers. They're not politicians.

      June 10, 2012 at 2:58 pm | Reply
  2. Harsh Truth

    Sadly to say , your Godless, lustfull western culture can not gift you enough human resources that are needed to maintain stability in a society . Most important is that western culture can not produce people who can do hard work . Your country produce some lustfull young generation who know only how to lead a luxurious life style . Without immigration , we will not see any new human life in the USA .

    June 8, 2012 at 8:59 am | Reply
    • 1stironweed

      We don't need you and your idiotic drivle about how lazy the people are who built the country everyone else wants to get into.

      June 8, 2012 at 9:18 am | Reply
      • Okahn

        You didn’t build this country, your ancestors did who were no doubt hard working great people.

        Look at the human history all great empires were made i.e. Roman, British, Mongol, Arabs after generations of hard work & then came down after the coming generations became lazier & more materialistic.

        What are we doing now, our kids are dropping out of high schools, if they are graduating & going to college instead of getting challenging degrees i.e. science, technology, engineering (immigrants are more in these fields) they want to do music, art etc so that they can party in spare time !! They are more interested in becoming the sports star, American idol.

        Don’t have to go far more then 50% of students doing phd in universities are immigrants, in science & technology # is even higher. If we want to stay #1 we need immigrants, we need to keep on importing smartest brains from the world!!

        June 8, 2012 at 10:51 am |
      • HonestyCounts

        1stIronweed – BS That's just a typical big-head American response to the slightest criticism. You WERE a wonderful country ONCE. Now you're a poor second power and money wise to Russia and China. It gives me no pleasure to say this but it's true.

        okahn – Excellent post. Well said.

        June 10, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Albert Von Sachsen

      It really sounds like you are desperate to go live in the US.

      June 8, 2012 at 10:47 am | Reply
    • shesawitch

      You say we are godless, yet you hate, you say we are lustful but you are jealous, you say we live luxurious lifestyles but you are envious. Your hypocrisy is laughable.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:09 pm | Reply
    • Alaric

      Sorry- I thought you were writing about the undeserving, pampered playboys of the middle east, whose last significant contribution to humanity was the astrolabe- Come out of the middle ages and join the rest of the world- and stop spewing your ignorant, hateful retoric-

      June 8, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Reply
    • James


      June 8, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Reply
    • Terminator

      Dude, your an idiot. Obviously, your from some ragheaded country living in a mud and brick hovel. America is not only the greatest country on Earth, it is the greatest country in the HISTORY of the Earth. Without American ingenuity and HARD WORK, you would not be sitting here today on your American invented 'Computer/internent'. The list of American inventions over the past 200 years in mind boggling, and all these people accomplished all this with hard work, determination, and a desire to improve lives.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  3. grenadaboy

    wonderful article,................should be widely disseminated.

    June 8, 2012 at 8:59 am | Reply
  4. Travis

    The thing that makes America great is it's diversity of people. Especially we can use the immigrants from Spanish speaking countries as long as they bring their language with them to help make this country a bilingual one. That way we can be more like the Canadians who long ago learned to live in peace with all their people, including Native Americans.

    June 8, 2012 at 9:09 am | Reply
    • Greg

      Since when did the English and Frence in Canada get along? Take a history lesson.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Reply
    • terry

      Another rocket scientist. Have you ever heard about Quebec, which is physically in Canada. Do you know what language they speak and the issues and votes that continue to arise there.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
    • Rob TO

      If by "living in peace" with native peoples you mean "exile them to the Arctic so they may bolster our sovereignty claims, then leave them to waste away in sub-human living conditions" then yes, we Canadians live peacefully alongside our native communities.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:45 pm | Reply
      • adrifter

        I live in northern Canada, so I know what I'm talking about. Your comment is complete, utter nonsense. Where do you live? From the 'TO', I'm guessing Toronto. Please stop making a fool of yourself.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
      • agincourt98

        Send our natives to the North? What on earth were you smoking? As to the Quebec issue, while we have had our issues in the past, it had less to do with actual language issues and more to do with historic injustices (imagined and real)

        June 8, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
      • Texas

        Nunavut is where he means, Canadians. Sort of like the reservations in the US.

        June 8, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • Terminator

      I vote 'NO' to bilingual. We are NOT a bilingual country. If you want to learn another language, thats great, and I support learning as many languages as possible. But don't push your language on us. If you want to read a paper or street sign in Spanish, move back to Mexico or whatever central American country you came from. We are an English speaking nation with oinly ONE recognized language, and thats the way it should be. If I move to Germany or Russia, I wouldn't expect them to learn English just to appease me, I would take it upon myself to learn the native language.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Reply
  5. 1stironweed

    What we do not need is the baby popping, welfare jockey mob from Mexico and other points south.

    June 8, 2012 at 9:14 am | Reply
    • The Real Tom Paine

      I agree. All the baby-popping welfare jockeys in the Red States need to actually start working so people in the virtuous Blue States don't have to keep watching the money they send to DC pay for rednecks to sit in their trailer parks, drinking beer and watching NASCAR, and sobering up to go to Church on Sundays so they can hear another immigrant-bashing sermon from a preacher who got his " degree" in divinity online ( at government expense, no doubt). Now, have I managed to caricature you enough so you start to understand what a worthless series of comments you've inflicted on the web?

      June 8, 2012 at 10:33 am | Reply
      • willko

        OK, so you have your own stereotype you can hate on. I guess that makes it better.......LOL

        June 8, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
      • Annonymous

        You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about and are using nothing more than assumptions (faulty at that) with no research backing it.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Ted

      Amen to that, anchor popping lazy thieves.

      June 8, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Reply
    • Jason

      How about a fair exchange for every working immigrant we deport a neocon

      June 8, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Reply
    • lee

      yes every one on welfare is from mexico, is that why all the WIC customers i see are meth using pieces of WHITE trash here in my home state of GA, which sadly has way to many of your kind here.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Reply
  6. GOPisGreedOverPeople

    If we don't have immigrants, then who will clean all the rich people's houses, etc? Totally "off the books" of course!!!!

    June 8, 2012 at 9:29 am | Reply
    • Alaric

      Exactly- because there aren't ANY wealthy liberals in this country taking advantage of poor immigrants- the only rich people are conservative republicans- What- did you grow up in a Skinner box? You do your partisans a discourtesy by coming off as so ignorant, which makes you the perfect spokes person for your "cause"

      June 8, 2012 at 3:25 pm | Reply
  7. Total non Sense

    THe problem is not imigration, the problem is the INVASION of MULSIMS. expulse all muslims from the USA and prevent them entering the country. everyone else is OK. The only menace from imigration is MUSLIMS. Each mostquee built is a ENEMY Base that need to be destroyed.

    June 8, 2012 at 10:08 am | Reply
    • American

      You cannot ignore 1/3rd of world's population.All religions have good people along with the bad one.Lets not single out one religion.It shows ignorance.

      June 8, 2012 at 10:31 am | Reply
      • Tom

        Religion is ignorance

        June 8, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
      • Annonymous

        Tom, Presuming that order is spontaneous and a fluke of nature, especially when science hasn't been able to settle on anything for certain for centuries is ignorance.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Naveed

      Your response does not make sense(pun intended). Lets work together to solve real problems and not blame any one group for a few bad apples. For example: All irish are not bad becuse a few joined the IRA.All christians are not bad becuase of the Oklahoma bombing.

      June 8, 2012 at 11:16 am | Reply
    • Rudolph vs

      The name of the towelheads is mohammedans.

      June 8, 2012 at 12:03 pm | Reply
    • SeeBee

      Why should we continue to discriminate against people on the basis of how they entered our country, with one set of standards for those who were born here or entered legally, and another set of standards for those whose first act as a resident of this country was to violate our immigration laws and our national sovereignty?

      Does that seem justifiable?

      It does? Oh, well, never mind.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Reply
    • Greg

      The first amendment, have you read it?

      June 8, 2012 at 2:29 pm | Reply
      • Patrick from Minnesota

        Clearly only in the context of Glenn Beck's show.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
      • Iso

        islam, as a belief system, is larger than just metaphysical fairy tales.

        it includes specific mutually exclusive political goals.

        this is why it is incompatible with democracy.

        if religion will stay in metaphysical fairy tales and out of politics it currently gets tax exempt status. unfortunately, islam does not now, nor ever will. (unless it chucks the koran)

        it makes moral demands of its followers to bring about social change for political objectives.

        that is not a religion as we westerners think of it. its a religious-political-economic worldview.

        until ppl can understand this, they will never understand the real threat posed by islam. its not the camelriding freedom fighters (terrorists) who pose the threat its CAIR and other infiltrating organizations whose eventual goal is to subvert and overthrow democracy worldwide, CUZ THE CALIPHATE IS THEIR GOAL.

        unless a muslim will denounce the political part of his religion, he does not belong in a western democracy. end of story.

        June 8, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Michael Siever

      Your username speaks volumes. If al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Iran are accurate depictions of all Muslims, then, by your own established logic, the Ku Klux Klan, the Westboro Baptist Church, and Rev. Terry Jones are accurate depictions of all Christians. Even heard of a country called Indonesia? It's a Southeast Asian island nation that has over 200 million Muslims. And their violent crime rate is very low. I guess that just about debunks your little tin-foil hat theory.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Reply
  8. WVLady63

    Diversity was good when the Irish came over here, but they didn't come DEMANDING everything and anything! The mexicans come into our country and DEMAND everything! They come illegally and are EMBRACED by our government! "We the People," pay taxes so that these illegals can have everything that we can't afford! Our Government treats mexicans, muslims, iranians and every other race on the planet that are in our country better from what they treat their own!!!!!!!!!! I for one am sick to death of this. We can't get a loan to open a business, yet foreigners from any other country in the world come into our country for a few months, have no credit and no money and the government GIVES THEM BUSINESSES. The Government sets them up in business, tells them they don't have to pay taxes for ten years and gives them a leg up. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME OUR GOVERNMENT GAVE ANY OF US TAXPAYERS A LEG UP???? You're right, NEVER!

    June 8, 2012 at 10:20 am | Reply
    • The Real Tom Paine

      The fact you identify yourself as someone from WV speaks volumes about your xenophobia. Every immigrant group has been treated the same way, with derision and contempt. Your language is a sad constant in the history of this country: I seem to remember the Irish being labeled the same way as you labeled Mexicans, but, I'm sure your alternative history does not want to admit that.

      June 8, 2012 at 10:38 am | Reply
      • Texas Heather

        aren't you just a fountain of snottiness, have you ever tried seeing issues from another point of view other than your own? You might try it sometime.....it will be a real eye opener

        June 8, 2012 at 11:22 am |
      • Massachusetts

        Well, that's actually partly true. My wife and I both work full time jobs so we can support our daughter and on the way son. When my daughter was born and we were in the hospital, we were talking to one of the nurses about a car seat (They will not let you leave without one) She said that they kept a whole room of them but we could not have one, they were for all the illegals that fly here from Brazil (her words, not mine) when they are pregnant so they can get free stuff in america. They have the baby, get a free car seat, then explain they have no where to live and hop on the welfare system living in section 8 housing. Now, I'm all for anyone wanting to come on over and work for and support their family. But all the freebies need to go. Either put a limit on it or force them to work for the state sweeping streets or something. No free money any more. And stop giving more money to people on welfare who keep having more kids. If you can't afford the 5 you have, stop having them!

        June 8, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • Dink Cheney

      One word: EMIGRATE

      June 8, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Reply
  9. qlwkejr

    Wow, this entire article is full of straw-men. It's comparing immigration laws to slavery? It's easy to knock down slavery as heinous, but just because the article tries to make a weak comparison between slavery and immigration, that doesn't mean immigration laws are similar to slavery.

    And "lazy dimwit"? I thought the author of the article is against discriminating against people for traits they were born with? Doesn't your "IQ" qualify as a trait you were born with and couldn't help? Why the pejorative and hate against the so called "dimwits"?

    Then the article conveniently tries to pass off all immigrants as the one shining example it cherry-picked at the beginning. As if it was impossible for there to be other types of people in the world. For an article that is supposedly about diversity, the author seems to know almost nothing about it.

    Finally, the idea that "America needs immigrants" does not necessarily require that America give up on its duties as a nation. People CAN come and go from the country, what they don't get to do is self-declare as citizens or residents of the country. America DOES allow immigrants and recognize those who comply with the processes set in place.

    June 8, 2012 at 10:26 am | Reply
    • Patrick

      It is simply not true that a migrant wanting to work in the U.S. can come in legally whenever he or she pleases. Instead, depending on the type of employment they wish to accept, the migrant may have to wait at least 5 years, or depending on the job category, well over a decade. Imagine if that same policy was applied among the states of the United States. Imagine if, to move from one state to another for work, you had to file an application and then wait 10-15 years. That would be a disaster for the country financially. There is no reason to think that immigration policy among country borders is any different. The EU learned this lesson when they decided to form a union and allow workers to move freely across borders, imitating the United States' widely successful system, which before then was the largest free-movement-of-labor area in the world. (Of course, the EU has other problems now, but the free movement of labor across national borders within the EU is not one of their problems - that has been a success economically). Allowing labor to move freely across borders permits labor to move to the location of its best use, and allows everyone involved to prosper. Countries should not restrict the movement of labor across any borders.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:26 pm | Reply
      • Terminator

        I agree to a point. While movement within a country should not be (and isn't) restricted, movement between country borders should be. There are plenty of people already in the work force to meet the demands of our industry, not to mention the automated assembly lines that reduce the numbers of workers needed even further.
        The overall problem stems not from the work done by the illegal immigrant communities, but by the resources they and their families drain from the system. The resource drain far outstrips any boon they give to our economy, and is unsustainable.
        I know what the argument is going to be "they are just doing the jobs Americans won't do themselves". I don't agree, there are plenty of people out there willing to work, myself included. I am not above doing menial labor to support my family. I've done it before and probably will again. The issues I see are the companies that hire cheap labor to increase profits, and don't care where is comes from, as well as the 'rich' who only hire foreigners to clean their house or cut thier grass. Are you telling me they can't afford to hire 'legal' Americans to do this work? When I was a teen, my brother and I would make money by cutting lawn's. He would drive us to various homes (some of them were rather wealthy) and we would do a good job. We both moved on to other things after several years because we couldn't compete with the immgrant labor that started poping up all over, undercutting us to the point where we would be losing money to cut someones lawn. Thats just an example, but I'm sure many others have had similar experiences.

        June 8, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
    • larvadog

      I agree. Not only that, but what the author doesn't seem to understand is that not everyone can emigrate to the US. So if not everyone can, some people will be left to deal with the situation in their own home land, or they can emigrate to somewhere else. We can't and won't let everyone in, so we get to have a say in who does come here. All the rest have to figure out something else. That's just reality.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm | Reply
  10. Fernando Gomez

    Nonsensical argument. I came to the United States legally through a system that only lets educated people in (other than for family reasons). The end result is that I have contributed to the US economy and I have benefited from America. It's a win-win relationship. Think about the country I was born into: Spain has an open immigration policy that allows even illegal immigrants to regularize their situation after a few yearsl as a result they attract mostly uneducated people from poor countries that have made the economic situation worse. Those uneducated immigrants are not leaving Spain even in crisis because they are better off on welfare there than in their original countries.

    The Sergey Brin example is preposterous. Nobody could have told that he would have one day co-founded Google, but the likelihood was very high that he was going to be a productive member of society, even without cofounding Google, given that his parents were both educated professionals. The immigrants that cofounded the companies provided as examples were either educated when they came in or children of educated professionals. The US has done great selecting the best of the best and I don't see why it should become a Spain by letting anybody in.

    The main criticism I would make to the US immigration system is that it doesn't let enough educated people in while it favors the wrong people in given that it favors family relationships over education. The way it is setup the uneducated parents of immigrants, and in some cases even siblings, who become citizens have an easier time immigrating to the US than the legions of Chinese and Indian students that graduate every year from US best universities. These students are often put in a greencard queue so long that ends up discouraging them of staying in the US. The end result is that many return to their home countries and the US loses valuable talent. Because of the idiotic HI!B caps, many of them are not offered even the possibility of staying in the US while they wait in the greencard queue. That's very wrong and that should be fixed. But at the same time, the US shouldn't become a country like Spain with respect to immigration.

    June 8, 2012 at 10:32 am | Reply
    • sarahsmith232

      i hadn't realised that the Google founder he cited was the off-spring of immigrants from a well educated background. this commentator is always upto this though. he's bought in whole sale to the Disney cartoon of the noble, humble immigrant meekly prepared to break their backs in uncomplaining servitude to the American nation. so, yes, let's just ignore all the facts, let's just try and pretend the increase in crime and welfare depenency is all jsut a figment of fascists mind then.

      June 8, 2012 at 10:41 am | Reply
    • Rudolph vs

      Yes, to let anyone inside a country is to court disaster, just like Spain.

      June 8, 2012 at 12:09 pm | Reply
    • lee

      the banks and this new conservative govt are what screwed up Spain before they came into power it was one of the best countries on the continent!

      June 8, 2012 at 3:11 pm | Reply
      • dkew09

        lee it was probably george bush right? lmfao i love you far leftists. the world is funner with you in it and i especially love you blame conservatives for everything. How do you explain the 14 trillion of debt we are in that was more like 4 trillion after bush left office. hmmmmmmmm... lol

        June 8, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
  11. sarahsmith232

    he just couldn't restrain himself, this one finds it impossible to comment on immigration without describing cartoon characters. the Kenyan goatherder comment is typical of this contributer. anyone could have predicted the son of a mother with a PHD and a father that went to the U.S to do a PHD in the 1960s could become the president. reality check, you allow in millions of people with a low educational background and yes, sure enough, you'll get one or two that will go on to become v. successful. 99.9% dont though. a substantial proportion get into crime and that's violent crime. for every one dot.com billionaire there will be a thousand violent criminal immigrants, if not more. for every one successful small business owner there will be a thousand petty criminals claiming welfare. it's ridiculous to paint such a rosy picture. check the riots last year in London. they were all first generation and had been brought up on welfare. that's the reality of mass immigration from parts of the world like Africa

    June 8, 2012 at 10:33 am | Reply
    • Jason

      Aren't you late for the Klan meeting

      June 8, 2012 at 2:32 pm | Reply
      • ikenelson

        They already had it, Jason. You were elected the queen.

        June 9, 2012 at 6:09 am |
    • agincourt98

      I believe that is the point...the Kenyan goatherder went on to get his PHd and his mother also from relatively humble roots also went on to get her Phd.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:54 pm | Reply
      • sarahsmith232

        no, your missing the point, a person who is allowd to enter the country because they were inteligent enough to do a PHd is exactly that. doesn't matter from the point of view of immigration policy if one time earlier in their life they worked doing dish washing. from the point of view of whether this person will or wont be a beneficial immigrant he's a PHD student. so you can predict that that persons contribution will be positive.

        June 9, 2012 at 6:52 am |
  12. Mike

    Here's a thought. Perhaps the "lazy dimwits" are more ubiquitous because of the influx of immigrants. Remove that crutch and, just hear me out, the "lazy dimwits" will, out of necessity, utilize their intellect.

    What you're basically saying is that the average American is incapable of doing what a 3rd world country immigrant can....which is ridiculous. For every immigrant success story, there are thousands of US success story that go unheralded because it's fashionable to celebrate everything that isn't white or American. Congratulations on your baseless generalizations. How did this country EVER function before the 1960's??? Where were the immigrants then....

    June 8, 2012 at 10:51 am | Reply
    • dkew09

      Excellent point mike. It is just like the treyvon martin case. You wont every hear about the 1000s of criminal acts done by any minorities on the front page. Once anyone who is of caucasian decent doesn anything and we have to revisit racisim in america (which works both ways)

      June 8, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Reply
  13. Disagree

    I disagree with this theory. If we implemented it, most of the inhabitants of the third world would seek to come and live in America. How would our infrastructure support that? This isn't a diversity issue, but rather a practicality issue. One problem in America is our almost negative birth rate. This almost ensures that we accept immigrants. We should accept some immigrants, but we should lower our quotas and encourage and incentivize American families to have more children.

    June 8, 2012 at 10:52 am | Reply
  14. Okahn

    Look at the human history all great empires were made i.e. Roman, British, Mongol, Arabs after generations of hard work & then came down after the coming generations became lazier & more materialistic.

    No doubt this country was built by hard working great people, most of whom are long gone.

    What are we doing now, our kids are dropping out of high schools, if they are graduating & going to college instead of getting challenging degrees i.e. science, technology, engineering (immigrants are more in these fields) they want to do music, art etc so that they can party in spare time !! They are more interested in becoming the sports star, an American idol.

    Don’t have to go far more then 50% of students doing phd in universities are immigrants, in science & technology the # is even higher. If we want to stay #1 we need the immigrants, we need to keep on importing the smartest brains from the world!!

    June 8, 2012 at 11:00 am | Reply
  15. AP

    We are all immigrants.

    June 8, 2012 at 11:01 am | Reply
    • Kana

      I'm not an immigrant I was born here. As were my parents and grandparents.
      An immigrant is the individual that moved here, not their offspring.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Reply
    • PaulC

      Your extremely generalizing statement is inaccurate and does not indicate a great deal of thought.
      We are not all immigrants. Some are decedents of immigrants but everyone is not an immigrant.

      June 8, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Reply
  16. Joe

    the problem with the current immigration to the US is that they are fleeing their country because their Leaders are Losers.lol.these are not your Harvard types.

    June 8, 2012 at 11:08 am | Reply
  17. Elaine

    Yes, this country is great because of immigrants; however, my concern is our becoming overpopulated. I live in the Northeast and the quality of life continues to deteriorate because there are simply too many people. The drive to and from work is a nighmare and if I want to go out on Saturday to do errands, I make sure I plan it so I'm home by 11:30. If I don't, I face horredus traffic and no parking places. We simply don't manage our population in terms of immigration and we should be.

    June 8, 2012 at 11:26 am | Reply
    • Lockthedoors

      Well said Elaine. Too many people is undermining our nations ability to take care of itself.

      June 8, 2012 at 11:56 am | Reply
    • Patrick from Minnesota

      Take the high crowds as a complement. I dont' see a ton of immigrants moving to the South and we all know why.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:03 pm | Reply
    • PaulC

      Your comment that our country is great because of immigrants is note worthy but I must point out that Mexico was settled by immigrants and their country is not that great so greatness must be something more than immigrants otherwise every country in this hemisphere would be great Think about it, the people from Columbia don't immigrate to Mexico for jobs and benefits. why, you tell me.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Reply
    • Texas

      The northeast has always had traffic. I grew up in NJ, left in 2002, and would never return- the quality of life is terrible. Try Hawaii- the costs and traffic are the same, but the weather and people are nicer.

      June 8, 2012 at 8:43 pm | Reply
  18. torqued

    Yes we need immigrants but only those that will increase the average IQ of America. We do not need anymore African or Hispanic immigrants. Our country became great because of our European immigrants. Asian immigrants are also acceptable. America is being dumbed down at an alarming rate by ignorant, dumb, non-English speaking hissies.

    June 8, 2012 at 11:31 am | Reply
    • Lockthedoors


      June 8, 2012 at 11:47 am | Reply
    • Rudolph vs

      You are 100% correct, we do not need more dimwits than we already got inside this country.

      June 8, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply
    • Tom

      It doesn't matter how many Asians you import your IQ will still be pathetic you redneck

      June 8, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Reply
      • Tee

        His IQ must be better than yours with the horrific grammar and spelling "skills" you posess.

        June 8, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Public32

      Wow! you said "Yes we need immigrants but only those that will increase the average IQ of America. We do not need anymore African or Hispanic immigrants...."

      you are not implying that African and Hispanic immigrants have low IQ, are you? because that would make you an imbecile! last I check a person race have nothing to do with IQ at all. These statements speaks volume about your IQ, which is obviously below average based on your comment.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Reply
    • Lila

      Have you ever worked with Africans? They are awesome hard working employees who get along with everyone.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Reply
      • Rick Santorum

        No, I don't drive a cab in DC. But I get along with the "blacks".

        June 8, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
    • lee

      wow you really are an SOB. i have a Nigerian friend who is 10X more intelligent than you, and really you should be the one culled from the american population.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Reply
  19. kathat0

    There is a difference between immigration and illegal immigration. One should have to show they are educated and plan to work before they come here.I am sick of taking care of another countries neglected with my tax dollars. They get no immunizations and threaten our health as well as our way of life.

    June 8, 2012 at 11:33 am | Reply
    • Lockthedoors

      Well said.

      June 8, 2012 at 11:47 am | Reply
    • lee

      Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
      With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
      Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
      A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
      Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
      Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
      Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
      The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
      "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
      With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
      Emma Lazarus, 1883
      america has and always will take in those with no where else to go cause it's the moral and right thing to do!

      June 8, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    • Terminator

      I wish we had more say in how our tax dollars were spent. If it was up to me, each person would pay the same amount of taxes, but you could allocate a specific amount to each item those taxes are spent on. For me, 0% would go to welfare, free health care for illegals, or any other cause I don't agree with. It's my tax money, why not allow me to have a say in how its spent? Our current system is no different than the thuggish Union's, who take your dues and spend them how they see fit, instead of spending them to improve YOUR situation.

      June 8, 2012 at 10:23 pm | Reply
  20. Lockthedoors

    We don't need any more non-educated immigrants. If you have a computer science degree or an advanced medical degree and want to cure cancer, by all means come in. If you are non-educated and are looking to speak your own language here then we DO NOT WANT YOU OR NEED YOU. We already have enough US citizens and illegal immigrants on welfare, etc bankrupting our country.

    June 8, 2012 at 11:45 am | Reply
    • Carlos

      I am an immigrant with an advanced degree, and Hispanic.
      You just said "True" (above) to the primitive racist ("torqued") who said Africans and Hispanics are less desirable than Europeans.
      I think I am proof of your extreme ignorance and Xenophobia.

      June 8, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Reply
      • Michael

        As a college-degreed black man let me be the first to agree with you, Carlos!

        June 8, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
      • dkew09

        I'm white and have a degree in IT, you don't see me running around starving for acceptance. In fact you may get hired over me carlos. Whites are not the minority anymore. what excuses will there be when this is universaly accepted.

        June 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
      • Dan Burley

        Carlos, Are you a legal or illegal immigrant. If you are an illegal immigrant you represent a very, very, small percentage of who is flooding across our border.

        June 9, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Jason

      Not just immigrants we need to apply these to all Americans. Look how many GED Americans are leechers.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Reply
  21. Perplexed

    Again, CNN displays its obvious bias as another agent of the democratic party by refusing to differentiate ILLEGAL from legal immigrant. Is there no difference? Can we possibly find that a country should exercise NO controls on who can get into this country? If your objective is to provide a continuous flow of voters for the democratic party regardless of the consequences then I guess the thrust of this article makes sense. However, can any reasonable person not find that any country has a national security interest in determining who becomes a CITIZEN and who does not? Does citizenship not require something more than just having the right papers? Can the masses who refuse to assimilate enhance a country by their citizenship? Does common language and culture mean nothing anymore?

    June 8, 2012 at 11:50 am | Reply
    • Jean Malloy

      To answer you last question..obviously not! The theme is come one come all.... we'll figure out what to do with all of you after total demise.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:25 pm | Reply
  22. NotForYou

    What a load of crap! The U.S. does not "need" any immigrant coming to the country to take a job from an American. If the immigrant has some special skill that we need, fine. To say anyone outsided the U.S. deserves to come to the U.S. just as a matter of course is just plain stupid.

    June 8, 2012 at 12:02 pm | Reply
  23. NPhxAz

    The cartels in Mexico have made untold billions smuggling aliens into America. Every day, coyotes lead groups of dope packing, lawless insurgents through MY homeland- for a profit. My wife is a legal immigrant from Eastern Europe. Not only is this article a stark insult to those who have taken appropriate measures and paid OUR expenses to legally naturalize, it is nothing more than outright liberal media support for the greedy, bloodlusting cartel organizations. The actual facts will not sanitize cnn and Zakaria's hogwash... quite the opposite.

    June 8, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Reply
    • Michael

      And there are eastern european mobs who make millions from smuggling eastern europeans illegally into America. Make no mistake; not all eastern european immigrants are legal, but they're just harder to spot due to their skin color.

      June 8, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
  24. Bob

    Everyone in this country has no problem with LEGAL immigrants it is the illegal aliens that we have a problem with. Make e-Verify mandatory nationwide stopping the problem and making it easier for the legal immigrants to gain citizenship. Sorry illegal alien loving CNN>

    June 8, 2012 at 12:06 pm | Reply
  25. Bill Boyer

    The difference between the immigration of the "booming times of early America" and today is that increasingly those who enter here illegally (that is the operative word) do so NOT to become U.S. Citizens but rather to access the advantages of being IN America. The Statue of LIberty advocates "bring me your xyz yearning to breath free". Well in California, they coming and yearning to live for FREE at the tax payers expense. I/We embrace LEGAL immigration, it does add to the pool of our uniqueness as a people. The legal immigrants yearn to be AMERICANS and celebrate the day they can be offiicially be called "Americans". The invasion from the south and the over-stayers of Visa from elsewhere only want access to our advantages. In there lies the difference and the flaw in this writers dellusions of "we are all one".

    June 8, 2012 at 12:15 pm | Reply
    • Terminator

      I totally agree. CNN once again shows their true colors, painting all immigrants (legal and illegal) as the same. My wife is a LEGAL immigrant, and both of us find the illegals offensive. We paid thousands of dollars in immigration fees, waited years for paperwork, and pay taxes, all while taking NOTHING from the system. To see illegals come here without paying the price we paid, and sponge off the American system turns our stomachs.

      June 8, 2012 at 10:34 pm | Reply
  26. solutions777

    The u-bam-a family are immigrants on welfare. They are receiving government benefits and not doing anything for them. U-bam-a was not born in the United States.

    The United States could use more educated, skilled and wealth immigrants. It definitely does not need poor, uneducated, unskilled, unhealthy immigrants. They are only a burden on society. Keep them out.

    It is not discrimination; it is doing what is best for the United States.

    Censorship is evil.

    June 8, 2012 at 12:21 pm | Reply
    • Jason

      Robmey was born in Mexico. His second wife is also from Mexico he should foot the bill of all his homies from mexico leeching on US

      June 8, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Reply
    • PaulC

      You only betray your bias and lack of sophistication with your Rush/Sean nonsense.

      June 8, 2012 at 3:20 pm | Reply
    • Daylene

      Yes, and Bush has family members who are drunks and convicted criminals. Oh, wait, that was Bush himself too, wasn't it? DUI, anyone? I don't think Obama's aunt has anything to do with his presidency.

      You can always spot a conservative on these chat boards because 1) they never fail to find some way to bring Obama into it, no matter what the topic and 2) they just love to play with the Presidents' name (O-bumblebee-ma, Obamah-buh-bummer, etc.) SOOOO creative.

      June 8, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Reply
  27. outspoken

    The picture is not very promising immigrants.

    June 8, 2012 at 12:22 pm | Reply
  28. abbydelabbey

    One of the best doctors I ever had was the son of migrant farm workers who came from Mexico - no, the parents didn't come here legally. The children grew up helping their parents work in fields after attending school. All of the children became successful professionals. I'll take a family like that any day into America.

    June 8, 2012 at 12:27 pm | Reply
    • Tee

      Oh then move them into your own home you phoney.

      June 8, 2012 at 1:16 pm | Reply
      • El Immigrant

        @Tee, are you illiterate or what? Didn’t you read that he’s talking about a doctor who is the son of illegal immigrants? I’m sure that doctor owns a house ten times better than you trailer home. Now, wouldn’t you want to move in with the wetback doctor? Keep drinking your moonshine and supporting your local teabagger chapter you fool.

        June 8, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Holly

      ..translation... please regardless of the financial hardship you as an American experiencing as millions upon millions upon millions of illegals take PAYROLL jobs from unemployed Americans, our youth our vets, and do not look at the current tax fraud illegals commit that tax payers pay for 4. 2 billion that's 10 million a day – let's overlook this for this heart felt story and not look at what is bringing this country down ... loo up NumbersUSa.. register and then take action

      June 8, 2012 at 4:41 pm | Reply
  29. Marma

    But what if Sergey Brin had stayed... he might have created Google in Russia. Who is to know.

    It doesn't make sense to other countries such as European nations to pile everyone on top. Then no one is happy. You need resources to take care of the needy in your backyard. It is the hope of our country to send aid to people and help create development where these people were born and mostly would love to stay.

    June 8, 2012 at 12:34 pm | Reply
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