Fareed Zakaria looks at how the immigration systems work – and don't work – in Japan, Europe, Canada and the U.S. in the TV special: "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work" which aired on CNN on Sunday, June 10. Watch on CNN International on Saturday, June 16, at 4 a.m. and 9 p.m. ET
Immigrants founded America hundreds of years ago, coming to the promised land in search of freedom and opportunity, in pursuit of the American dream.
Today, many Americans see immigrants as a danger to that dream.
They worry that immigrants are taking their jobs, using government services and changing the country's national identity. The average American believes that 39% of the U.S. population was born abroad. The real figure is 13%, still the highest level since 1920.
Related: How much do you know about U.S. immigration?
Immigration is divisive, a wedge issue in this election year. But most Americans (73%) agree that the government is doing a poor job of managing it.
So, how should the U.S. handle immigration? Does anyone else do it better? What can the U.S. learn from successes – and possible mistakes – from other countries?
Let’s look at three examples: Japan, Europe and Canada.
JAPAN: A CAUTIONARY TALE
Japan has one of the strictest immigration policies in the world and has historically been closed off to outsiders. It has a foreign population of less than 2% - six times smaller than the percentage of the U.S.
But what are the effects of keeping foreigners out?
Japan is facing an alarming labor shortage, says Robert Guest, the business editor of The Economist and author of "Borderless Economics."
Japan’s current population is around a 127 million. It’s on pace to be just 90 million by 2050, a drop-off of almost one-third. The nation is also aging. Almost one in four people are 65 or older – making Japan the oldest country on earth.
Guest says there’s a solution to the labor shortage: open the borders and invite more immigrants.
But that idea has hurdles.
“They don't have the idea that you can become Japanese,” says Guest. “And they don't have the idea that you can solve some of the country's chronic labor problems by importing foreign hands.”
In its health care sector, for example, Japan is estimated to be short almost 900,000 workers 2025. It started to invite foreign nurses, and since 2008 almost 600 have come to Japan.
But only 66 have passed Japan’s notoriously difficult nursing proficiency exam, which requires an expertise in written Japanese.
Japan’s health ministry has made the test easier, adding some English translations, but critics say it’s still unreasonable.
“It should be good enough that they are able to communicate verbally with people and that they are able to read the words they need to know for the tools of their trade,” says Guest. “It worked perfectly well in other countries.”
And it’s not just foreign workers who might run into obstacles. In some cases, it’s immigrants who have been living in Japan for decades.
In 1990, facing a labor shortage, Japan gave ethnic Japanese from South America long-term residence status, filling gaps in its workforce.
Japanese-Brazilians filled manufacturing jobs and became the third largest minority in Japan.
But in 2009, with unemployment running high, Japan actually offered money to them to leave the country – $3,000 for each worker to cover travel expenses.
And the flight was essentially a one-way ticket – anyone who took the offer couldn’t come back to Japan with the residence status they once had.
The government says it was only trying to help unemployed Japanese-Brazilians. They’ve stopped offering the deal and are reconsidering the residence status of those who took the money.
So if Japan won’t let in immigrants, what is it doing about its labor shortage?
It’s encouraging families to have more children, giving them $165 a month for each child. But that hasn’t been enough to inspire a growth spurt.
EUROPEAN UNION: WORK IN PROGRESS
Europe faces a similar demographic crisis as Japan, but it’s trying a more open approach to immigration.
It’s easy to forget that the European Union itself is one of the most ambitious migration experiments in history. Half a billion people are allowed to roam freely within the EU’s borders.
Many predicted that swarms of people from poorer nations like Poland and Romania would move to rich countries like Germany and France. That never happened – only 3% of working-age EU citizens live in a different EU country.
But the EU has not dealt well with immigrants from outside its borders.
There’s been a nasty political backlash – with anti-immigrant parties thriving in Greece, the Netherlands and France.
Rather than rejecting these extremists, Europe’s mainstream politicians have pandered to them. Former French President Nicholas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany have all declared that multiculturalism in their countries is a failure.
“They all agree multiculturalism is dead,” says Chem Ozdemir, born in Germany to Turkish migrant workers. “It's amazing that they agree on that, but they do not agree when it comes to euro and on other issues.”
Ozdemir, now head of Germany’s left-leaning Green Party, became the first ethnic-Turkish member of Parliament at age 28.
Now, he helps his nation to answer a very basic question: What does it mean to be German?
“Can you be a German and have a head scarf at the same time? Can you be a German and practice Islam at the same time?” Ozdemir says.
Jonathan Laurence, author of “The Emancipation of Europe’s Muslims,” is hopeful on Islam’s place in Europe. In a GPS guest post this week, Laurence writes:
The key development is that as the proportion of Muslims of foreign nationality residing in Europe decreases – because the number of native-born Muslims is growing – Europe’s democratic political institutions are increasingly kicking in. For decades, the absence of integration policy allowed foreign governments and transnational movements to capture the religious and political interests of this new minority. This wasn’t multiculturalism so much as indifference.
The series of terrorist attacks against Western capitals from 2001-2005, however, in combination with high unemployment and educational under-performance, ended Europeans’ hands-off approach. After leaving them outside domestic institutions for decades, governments gradually took ownership of their Muslim populations. Authorities began to treat Islam as a domestic religion and encouraged Muslims to embrace national citizenship.
In Germany, for example, the government has met with Muslim leaders at an annual German Islam conference since 2006, in an effort to better integrate Muslims with the rest of the population.
Germany and others are certainly making strides, but throughout Europe, there are still obstacles to immigrants’ inclusion.
So, is there any nation that’s getting immigration right?
CANADA: GETTING IT RIGHT
If Japan’s strict immigration policy serves as a cautionary tale and Europe’s experiment is still a work in progress, then take a look at Canada – a nation with more foreign-born per capita than the United States.
Canada may not have the cache the U.S. does – but it holds great appeal for would-be immigrants, says The Economist’s Guest.
“Canada offers many of the same things that America does – a very high standard of living, the rule of law, peace, safety,” he says.
To determine whom it should let in to live and work, Canada uses a point system. You don't even need a job or employer, just skills. Applicants are awarded points for proficiency in education, languages and job experience.
Just why is Canada so ready to accept immigrants with open arms?
Because it has to be.
The nation is sparsely populated, has a low birth rate, and needs immigrants for population growth – and economic growth.
In Canada, almost two-thirds of permanent visas last year were given for economic needs – Canada's economic needs, that is.
The country brings in the majority of foreigners to fill labor holes.
Only 22% of its immigration was for family reasons: reuniting mothers with children, brothers with sisters, grandparents with grandchildren.
In the U.S., the opposite is true. Only 13% of green cards last year were doled out for economic reasons, while two-thirds were for family reunions.
When Nahed Nenshi became the first Muslim mayor of a major Canadian city in 2010, he shattered Calgary's "redneck" stereotype.
“When I was running for office, it was only people who were not from here who said ‘Whoa, is Calgary ready for a mayor like that?’” he says. “The people in Calgary just said, ‘Ah, it's a kid from the East End. We know him.’"
Canada’s real challenge, says Nenshi, is ensuring the economic and social integration of immigrants once they are living in the country.
“It's not about burkas and kirpans. It's about saying to an engineer who was trained in Iran or China, how can we get you working as an engineer instead of a janitor as quickly as possible?” he says. “These are very serious challenges. And we haven't got it right. But I would much prefer we focus our energies there rather than on these meaningless culture war discussions that occasionally crop up ... because those don't make a difference in people's lives.”
The public and Parliament in Canada generally support continued immigration. “Immigration is unambiguously good for the economy. We know that those folks come, they invest here, they create jobs, they work here,” says Nenshi. “There's not much of a policy debate on that in Canada."
While the prime minister of Great Britain, the former president of France and the chancellor of Germany have all declared that in their context multiculturalism has failed, that's not so in Canada, says Nenshi.
“I'm not here to question their reality. It's their reality,” he says. “But I think it's important for us Canadians, and particularly for Calgarians, to really tell a story loudly and proudly about a place where it works, where diversity works, where multiculturalism works, where pluralism works. It ain’t rocket science.”
FUTURE IN THE U.S.
Canada and also Australia now have smart immigration policies that take in talented foreigners who have skills the country needs and determination and drive to succeed.
As a result, they have transformed themselves into immigrant countries, with a foreign-born population that is higher than the United States.
Australia, which only 15 years ago had strong strains of nativism and xenophobia dominating its political culture, now has more than a quarter of its population as foreign born – double America’s share – and is thriving because of the economic growth and cultural diversity.
Canada's foreign-born population is almost 20%; the U.S. is 13%, just a little higher than Great Britain's.
Related: Why American needs immigration
The United States is not the world's only – nor the largest – immigrant society anymore.
And that will have consequences economically, culturally and in other ways, says Fareed Zakaria:
It's a sad state, because the U.S. remains a model for the world. It is the global melting pot, the place where a universal nation is being created. We may not do immigration better than everyone else anymore, but we do assimilation better than anyone else. People from all over the world come to this country and, almost magically, become Americans.
They - I should say we - come to the country with drive and dedication and over time develop a fierce love for America. This infusion of talent, hard work and patriotism has kept the country vital for the past two centuries. And if we can renew it, it will keep America vital in the 21st century as well.
What do you think? What can the U.S. learn from other countries' immigration policies? Share your comments below and check out some past responses.
Or see what Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has to say, from this excerpt from "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work"
and also New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg
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I thought the Immigration issue in the United States was solved in 1985? Why should I believe you this time?
looser
Looser? Is that someone who is loose or are you just as big a moron as you appear to be?
Your pants were falling done because they're looser. right?
You are pathetic! You call someone a loser and can't even spell it? Go back to the country you crawled here from!
ARE YOU LOOSE OR ARE YOU A LOSER??
Nippon is definitely hostile towards immigrants. There are hundreds of thousands Koreans and Chinese living Tokyo and Osaka for decades, without being given citizenship. As Nippon is overcrowded, the shrinking of population might as well be a blessing for the country.
Spain had learnt a hard lesson out of immigration. After joining the European Community in 1985, swarms of Europeans from the North – thanks to free mobility – came to live on its Mediterranean islands. The country saw a massive property boom. Banks borrowed on international markets to lend to developers. The bubble got bigger and bust in 2008. Now Spain is asking for international help to bailout its banks. The government is too weak to help out as many banks will never get their loans back.
Leave it to Mr. Zakaria to push some Muslim agenda. That's his niche! It's two things Fareed: you have to fulfill a job need and you have to embrace the culture of the country. Don't come here if you want to go to Mecca.
For those that took the few lines of this article about Islam and turned it once again into snide remarks about Muslims, let me remind you that this is America. We have freedom of religion here. All religions. It is perfectly acceptable to be a Muslim in the US. Stop showing your ignorance by acting like all Muslims are terrorists. Do the world a favor and read up on the religion. You might be surprised to find that the founder of Islam (which came about 500 years after Christianity) said that Muslims should respect Christians as brothers. It is the ingorant and bigoted Muslims that have turned their religion into a weapon of war, much like you do, when you beat your chest and say inane things like, "Those Muslims should die, and Zakaria is promoting the Muslim agenda." Frankly, most Amercans are sick to death of the bigotry and hate you can't help yourself with. Get an education. Travel. You'll be amazed what a nicer person you eventually become.
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@Bob
Thanks for the laugh. Made my day.
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well trolled my friend...
You have it wrong when you say "we do assimilation better than anyone else". What we(myself and everyone I've ever discussed this with) are sayng is that we don't mind immigration. what we object to is that this current immigration group is refusing to assimilate. They continue to speak spanish all of the time, they expect our stores to have everything labeled in spanish, they expect their children to be taught in spanis and to have all government services in spanish.
@Garland Ridge
What has spanish speaking immigrants got to do with Chinese & Indian immigrants who has to wait for 20+ years for Green Card? This long wait is what is at question here.
Garland, I am a naturalized American , born in Cuba who came here legally 42 years ago. I have to agree with you. The thing that this article is leaving out is that, apparently, Canada and Australia get to choose who they let into their country while in the US we don't seem to be able to get our act together as far as controlling our borders. Controlled immigration based on a points system will always work because you can let people in slowly enough to allow enough time for assimilation (my parents got here too old and never learned English but in my house that is the language we speak 99% of the time and my kids definitely do not need or expect to be addressed in Spanish anywhere !!) and you can leave out the human refuse that countries south of the border are kicking our way.
Your accusation is not completely right, some of the immigrants have no extra money & time to learn English. Once they landed here, they work around the clock to make sure they have enough money to save or send back home. A lot of them want to go to school but the financial pressure suppress their desire of leaning English, as a result, they've to be around their folks or community. They do want to and envious-not jealous, those who can learn English.
Look at our prisons. How many Asian prisoners? How many Latin?
It is not the same world as before. Plus the quality and reasons to immirgrate here is different, so that is why you can change the laws to adapte to the time. Immigrants want to use the old law that are good for their situation but America needs to bring in what it needs to make the country better, not go back in history. So if people want to come not to assimilate or make the country better than why come???
did your grandpa learn the language of the natives when he migrated here?
In the states ceded from Mexico during the Mexican American war, the treaty that granted them to the US stated that they would continue to do business in Spanish.
If the parents don't assimilate, the children do. It has always been the case.
And maybe with a better immigration system, you may be able to make a bigger dent in illegal immigration ( which has dropped 66% since the bush years).
It is a joke that people do not have rights in the U.S. for 8 to 20 years while they wait for a green card. 8 years is about the average people from Canada have to wait for a greencard...Americans working in Canada get one in about a year...but their spouses can work immediately unlike the U.S.
handzcats, you're full of it. I work at a public library in a neighborhood of about 200,000 Dominicans. We offer 100% free English classes. The 30 spots never fill up. Walk out into the street, and see how many people are milling around, smoking weed and whatever else.
no extra money & time to learn English. .....
Bull.
My grandparents came from Sicily (1934) and only spoke Italian.
They came with a book to learn English, while they where working.
They integrated well enough to start thier own business.
There is no excuse.
I am a naturalized US Citizen from India, and I have to disagree with you. I came here with my parents for economic reasons and a better way of life. My father had to wait for a few years to just obtain his visa to work. You can't group everyone into one group. I have assimilated into the "white culture" and I'm happy about it. You can't use one example and generalize it to every immigrant in the entire country. It's like saying you are white, so all the people must be white.
That is a fair question. I cannot speak for other immigrants, but my father has taught us that since we were in US, we had to learn English.
My dad ran a small mom & pop store and did not take any english class. But what he did was to get himself a dictionary and look up any word he did not understand. Each day, he would grab a patron and ask him how to pronounce certain word, etc. He still speaks with a rather thick accent, but he is able to carry on conversation about Sports, politics, or other subjects. As for myself and my sister, we both completed Honors level English in High school, completed college (My sister is a doctor and I am an IT professional with graduate degree) So... I really think not having the ability to take class is excuse. If you have desire, and is motivated enough to do it, you can do it. Rome was not built in one day, as the saying goes. Learn 4-5 vocabulary a day, and in 5 years, you'll have impressive command of English.
Well then that mistake is ours, for not having an official language.
My first language was Spanish but by the time I was in fourth grade 90% of the time I was speaking English. I don't think I've ever ran into a native Spanish speaker who demanded signs in Spanish. When I worked in retail my manager always said that bilingual signs only made the atmosphere more welcoming and resulted in increased sales. Those signs do discourage immigrants from learning English, for obvious reasons, but assimilation is not corporate America's problem. All they care about is money. Like president Clinton said, in the last 15 years we've given corporate America more and more power but have absolved them from more and more civic and community responsibility.
Why does any accuser not distinguish between legal immigrant and illegal immigrant? I am here legally and I was welcome to this nation. Illegal immigrants are not screened for disease, self-sustaining capacity nor moral history. They jcusually are a burden to the country and deplete funds meant for legal citizens.
Well said Garland! Assimilation is the key!! Fareed's piece was not an intelligent discussion on immigration. It was a pro-immigration slanted piece. That's fine, but be honest about it. I love how he calls anti-immgration people "extremists". Doesn't sound like to much open dialogue there Fareed.
@Foreigner,
Gee, I didn't realize the Native Americans had a national, centralized government in place when the forefathers arrived.
I agree that if immigrants want to live in the US they must assimilate and learn the country's language. I myself am from Mexico and I speak, read and write better than my husband who is American, in fact I'm an English major. What I don't agree with is the fact that people are just ignorant to the fact that we need immigrants for the economic health of the country. We have crops going to waist in some states because no American or America-born immigrant for that matter would be crazy enough to do the back breaking work for so little. But immigrants gladly will because its still more than what they are earning back in their countries. At the end of the day, they just want to work and support their families, just like everybody else. Lastly, to the writer who stated that only Indian or Koreans have a 20+ year wait for a green card, you are very much mistaken. My parents had to wait 22 years for their green card and they went through a much more stringent process because of the fact that they were from Mexico. Please don't assume that we have it any easier.
Assimilate? Why should they, we are presssing 1 for English, English is not so easily found on goods we buy.
You are so right, they do not want to assimilate or learn English despite classes being offered for free in my sanctuary city. They are to take whatever they can grab, show blatant disrespect for Americans and engage in criminal activity. Oh, and begin the reproduction dance beginning around twelve (such good catholics) while paying for nothing in relation to the birth or support of all the anchors
Ivonne, if we need unskilled, uneducated labor to work in agriculture we can create a guest worker program. But it makes no sense to allow the legal immigration of millions of unskilled and uneducated foreigners (largely from one country) and raise barriers to educated/skilled immigrants.
Your parents came legally – good for them – but the reason for the wait was that legal immigration policy tries to limit immigration from the same country so as not to create ethnic enclaves. Lots of luck with that though, given the massive amount of illegal immigration from Mexico.
I reject the argument that illegals are no different from legal immigrants like your parents. Your parents respected our laws and did it right.
Ivonne......you are an English major and don't know the difference between waste and waist....god help us all.
@Pepinium
It's nearly impossible to be an illegal immigrant from Cuba given the preferential treatment afforded to Cubans. Whole different ball-game mi amigo.
TheOtherMike: Please refer to your source for this information. An academic journal article, an approved online version, etc (i.e. not a wikipedia source). I haven't studied the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in very much detail, but I do not recall reading what you have stated in your comment. Thank you!
These immigrants that u say expect us Americans to cater to them in Spanish is incorrect. The immigrants just appreciate the kindness that some American businesses give by providing the information in Spanish.
They know that when they come here, they are not to expect anything. When we Americans say they drain our system that too, is incorrect. Most immigrants avoid going to hospitals because they know that they could face deportation; And they only send their children to our schools because the law requires them to.
Immigrants don’t receive food stamps, their American born citizen children do. We spew all this incorrect information about them and the sad part is that the rest of the American population catches and latches on to this, holding it as gospel without knowing the real truth.
Ha, known as a global melting pot. We are known as global suckers for those who come here and get fully supported by American taxpayers.
We all pride ourselves in saying that we are a nation of immigrants. We all have serious issues, however, when we realize that we actually are a nation of immigrants.
Many Americans has short memories when it comes to recent US history. In an effort to be humane the Federal Government gave amnesty to of 3 million illegal aliens in 1986 and the result is we now have 11 million illegal aliens in 2012. It seems that Liberal based CNN does not think we should enforce the law and deport the 11 million illegal aliens living here now, but it is the only real solution.
It has little or nothing to do with CNN. They just mouth words but don't make policy. It's the republicans that have held up every thing we've ever tried because the republicans are bigots and cannot stand to see a President that has skin different than theirs.
Time to rid the word of Republicans. Deport them all! NOW!
... and those Immigrants are making this a better country with a stronger economy.
Galactus, the detail that you are conveniently leaving out is that it was the conservative "God-President", Ronald Reagan who approved the 1986 amnesty. Don't be so quick at throwing labels around, many of your conservative "business leaders" have made a fortune using the labor provided by these illegal immigrants.
Liberal.. What ? Bush really cracked down right.. NO.. you are a fool !
Funny, our liberal president has deported more illegals than any other president in the last 25 years.
Rags you are a dumb phuck Democruts and need to leave this country now.
there are actually 200 million illegals here,from europe.
America has a national debt of approximately 14 trillion dollars. What can our country do to stop this spending? Statistics show that 338.3 billion dollars are spent on illegal immigrants in America annually. (3) This amount alone would be enough to stimulate the economy for the real citizens of this country. If we were to tighten border security, we would be able to cut down our debt. Therefore, to minimize national debt, America should tighten border security and thus stop spending money on welfare, Medicaid, and education for illegal immigrants.
You know, many Americans has no brains to , but hows counting ?
I mean, that's hugely expensive, impractical, and unreasonable, but let's not let that get in the way
Federal Government gave amnesty to of 3 million illegal aliens in 1986
Yup, Ronald Regan.
What you are forgetting about 1986 Amnesty is that part of the deal was for the govermnet to secure our borders. 25 years later we are still waiting for that to be done. Get the whole story, not just part of it.
Wow illegals arecriminals, ignorance in the flesh ladies and gentlemen. What is the difference between illegals and homeless people? How about that illegals are not homeless and they don't steal, they work, yes illegally, but they work, they earn a living. This is criminal how dare they work for a living! These people leave everything they know behind into the unknown for their love and duty to their families, this is my book doesn't make them the dumbest people in the planet.
Pepinum,the 1986 amnesty was supposed to be a one time only event to provide legal status to millions of illegals. It was supposed to be matched with employer sanctions and status verification for employment.
25 years later and the number of illegals is more than double what it was then. A Pew poll conducted in Mexico a couple of years ago disclosed that a full third of respondents said they would illegally go to the US if the US gives amnesty .
Actually that would be employers and politicians. Nothing to do with the media.
@Doug
I'm fine. Thanks for asking.
@ Counting....
your response to Doug made me choke on my coffee. ROTFLOL
Thanks for making my day!
Fareed should go back to India, we don't need him.
He does not fit in.
He fits in much better than rednecks and haters like you, booskooo.
For every alien that is allow to reside in U.S. (or any other civilize country), one less American child will be born. That is a law of demoghraphy that most people do not understand and media do not wish to note. If U.S. employers need more slave labour, how come millions of young Americans are uneumployed? It is all propaganda spread by shifty academics, alien controlled media and greedy employers to allow more cheap labour to the U.S. While they profit, the American nation pays the price. In time this will lead to a national suicide of total exetermination of the White Americans. Blomberg talked about national suicide and he need more invaders to bring it about.
For every smart person who immigrates to the United States, one fewer, less than competent person, will be born. I don't care what a person's skin color or their religion. I just want the best and the brightest to come to this country. We also need to find a third world country willing to take our native born people who graduate with a C average.
OLD RAGS? ARE YOU A BLACKNECK?? YOU SAY REDNECKS, WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST US INDIANS? WE WERE HERE BEFORE YOUR BLACK AZZ WAS..........
Rags.. Fareed can pander jihadists better than you... get the hell out of here.. you go to india and start pandering jihadists..
...RIGHT, and his facial expression @ the top of the page looks like he should've taken a dump a couple weeks a go...or at least put more fiber in his diet?
Like Tweetty Bird "Twa" he "Twa a Puddy Cat"... I Twa Fareed twas Twa-Middle Easterner!
I keep forgetting.
Fox stopped people from posting so the sludge of humanity
is spilling garbage here.
Fareed is exactly what your country needs. A smart clear thinking person. If you don't wan't him he'll be welcome in canada.
Immigrants are important. If you live in America for your whole life you are American. Also, if you come and are committing to the economy why should they be deported?
He may be an American citizen, yet he constantly complains about things in this country or tells us we should be like other countries. Heresy! Our ancestors came here because the rest of the world sucked. Why should we care what the rest of the world does or thinks? There are legal ways to enter this country for industrious people that will contribute to the economy instead of sucking it dry. Illegal aliens are just that; illegal. Crime has consequences. The Federal Government won't do anything about it so the States affected by it have to do something.
So I am without a doubt going to step in a pile with this post...
What is the common underlying issue alluded to in this article and honestly the biggest elephant in any countries living room? ISLAM! We in the U.S. are all up in arms about the mexican illegals, but when you take a look at he real problem that is growing in the U.S. and has already manifested itself in all of Europe is the unbelievable problems that come from a large muslim population and with it their absolute goal to bring their Sharia BS law and muslim beliefs into being as they get sway.
They do not assimilate or try to better themselves, they instead work to change the laws and cultures of the country that they reside in.
I understand diversity and open thought, but muslims simply do not belong in any western culture. They should never be allowed to even walk on our shores, much less be allowed to immigrate.
As I said when I started, many will brand me a bigot and scream freedom of religion blah blah blah. I would say them they are bigots also, as no one is truly without prejudice... If Muslims are OK, what about Fascists, Nazis, Communists, etc... etc... should we really open our arms to everyone?
Well said. I agree.
Those people I know from Islamic nations, came here to get an education. Most have a Masters or a PhD. Do we want them to go back home and help their own countries outperform ours? Do we want them to create new jobs in their old countries and take them away from America, or do we want them to make this country a better place and help us out compete the world?
Sad American – always the victim of ignorance. The Muslim population in Canada has been there for years and has no problems fitting in. If you continue to hold the differences of someone else against them, they'll never have a chance. As a Canadian, I am proud of the diversity and ACCEPTANCE of other cultures. What's your excuse?
@Socrates
Just because Islam works in your country doesnt mean it works in Europe where more first generation Muslims can immigrate easier. When a population is there for many years in small numbers there more or less forced to assimilate over time. Europes problem is that they refuse to assimilate even after multiple generations.
What a completely unfortunate and goofy statement. Muslims, FYI, are born, or convert to, the religion of Islam.....they have no connection with warped ideologies like communism, fascism, nazism.....all three of which originated in, and were practiced in Christian countries !!!!!
Ignorance is like an exotic flowert....touch it and the bloom is gone. Oscar Wilde
Ralph – Osama had a PHD in Engineering. So we should keep him? You think the ability to get educated means that your a good American? That your loyal? And yes I wish they would get educated and go back to their country...and fix it. If the 3rd world countries gets an influx of higher educated people (who are not religious zealots) then humanity as a whole is made better.
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Check out Aga KHan development website to learn more about Islam and what real Muslim are doing in the world
msg... not a clue. In Canada, our Muslims are great. They fit in, vote, run for office (AND get elected), go to regular schools, etc. Sure, many dress unusually (to anglo eyes), but honestly, you don't even notice after a while. They're just Canadians who happen to be Muslim. I've worked with dozens, known just a few socially, and dealt with hundreds who work at stores and as bus drivers, etc. and I would say that, on average, they are friendlier and gentler than the average Canadian, whatever that is. Of course, some are jerks; most are wonderful.
msgfromme, what you say is just not true about Muslims. Listen to our neighbors from the North. They're not making this stuff up. I live near the border of Canada and visit their quite ofter and even have friends there. In cities like Toronto and Montreal, you can see this for yourself. You should be worried about Mormons, not Muslims.
When my Grandparents came here, Italians and Irish where treated like dirt.
Its a shame, but it seems like every ethnic group has thier own brand of hazing.
I know you said you will be degraded by this post, and I believe you should be. Muslims don't want to "take over" the country. They just want to live their own life. And their children will become assimilated into western culture. What irks me is that the quintessential white American wants to change the country more drastically than anything. From open immigration to none at all? Without immigration, the US would be completely shoddy. Here in Minneapolis, some engineering firms don't have enough people to hire so they have to go to other countries. To solve the "bad" immigration problem, education needs to be improved.
The major problem America now face is a overwhelming number of American as well as immigrants fighting for the same jobs. Companies lobbying for the foreign worker ease access into the United States workforce putting more and more American out of work. The bottom line is companies on care about the bottom line $$$. Yes, lining the pocket with green and Governor Romney has already promise that he will give them a favorable status in helping to outsource more American Jobs to other countries.
I'm Canadian and agree you have a very valid point, since if any Christian wanted to move to any of the muslim countries they would want to kill us. Unless they try and become Canadian or American those who don't try to integrate only confirm what you said. They cannot come here and be who they were there, these are developed countries and they need to not cause problems. It's the resistance to change that is the problem on both sides.
The immigration problem is, we don't have enough. Have you looked at the percentage of Fortune 500 companies that have been founded by immigrants or their children? Have you looked at the percentage of companies of all sizes that are founded by those who moved from other countries. Your children and grandchildren will need companies to hire them. Those companies will be owned by people who moved from other countries or their children. Your children and their children will need managers to tell them what to do and how to do it. Those people will be immigrants.
Provide your address, we'll make sure you get enough to neighbor you ! AH !
Jack, better an immigrant than a Republican.
yes ralf everyone knows republicans are the worst neighbors, god how i hate the way there always mowing the lawn, taking out the trash and asking how my day went. aaarg!
Ralf you are really stringing it from make believe to reality aren't you? You need to get a grip on yourselves and get some rest. Read a book, get educated and come back later.
Ralf (I like your display name btw), sorry to say I don't agree with you. Don't you have any faith in people who were born here or came to the U.S. as children – that they too can create companies and jobs for thousands of U.S. people? Take Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, & others I can't think of names who started companies in the 1800s & 1900s. Henry Ford for instance too. What gives you the idea that only Foreigners who come here to study will create tomorrow's companies & corporations? I think this country has a problem with employing their own people and inequality especially. A lot of kids do not grow up in a healthy environment where they can excel and reach their full potential. It can be either the case of bad parenting or not living in the right area (in which there are better schools). I think rather than bring in foreign workers or keep foreign students (who have graduated) – this country needs to train/educate its own people and especially those who never got the chance to reach their full potential. And yes too, I mean the thousands that are currently unemployed. Some of us have our degrees, but employers do not wish to hire us – but instead turn to younger educated workers or those younger foreign-born who by a lucky chance have gotten some work experience. These days its all about experience and who you know – more than education anyway.
The question is if the so called native american population is willing to take up the jobs available. In a society where priorities have been misplaced and graduates possess no interpersonal skill, focus on frivolities such as video gaming and other extraneous activities as opposed to engaging in productive activities, you should know that the objective of the business man is profit maximization and only those willing to contribute to the bottom line are employable. Most American youth have egos that are way up the meter and are generally uncoachable
Concerned, you are partially correct. The US work force has to be more educated to work in the booming fields of math and science. In Minneapolis, my hometown, engineering firms have trouble hiring American workers and once I got out of college, I got a job relatively quickly because of the demand. The demand results in the higher immigration rates. I believe that immigration should increase until the US worker is educated enough to fill up the demand for these types of jobs. Until then, it will be difficult for the country to move forward without rampant immigration in these fields.
well said Ralf. you've done ur reseach.
Greed is gooooood. We need unlimited H-1b outsourcing visas. more mega profits for me
Are you implying that Saint Reagan the Benighted's amnesty program in 1985 did not solve the immigration issue? That would imply that Saint Reagan was wrong. Next thing you know you will claim that he raised taxes twice, sold weapons to Iran, illegally funded a covert violent revolution somewhere in central America, and that even his " tear down this wall" speech had zero impact and that the wall did not come down =untill two years later after he had left office and that event had absolutely no connection to any American policies whatsoever but was caused by internal German politics.....
Ronbo raised taxes 11 times.
Obama is a far better Republican than Reagan.
Jefferson, the 1986 amnesty was a one time event and was to be paired with strong employer enforcement and worker ID requirements. So given the failure of the 1986 amnesty why should we do it again?
@Catherine
Perhaps we could do it better this time. Not just the easy part. What are the alternatives? If you want the immigrants to go away – how would you do that? even if it were possible it would be very very expensive. Then when they're gone all crops will likely go the way of those in Georgia. As has been said before even with high unemployment, US citizens don't want to spend long hours working in the hot sun.
I get so tired of hearing how if we do not allow ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that our food will spoil. The immigrants that come from other countries WITHOUT going through the propert steps ARE DOING CONSTRUCTION NOT PICKING FRUIT. This is not ANTI Mexician, Muslums, Indians. Irish or any of the other ethnic groups that are in the San Francisco.THIS IS ABOUT THE AMERICIAN WORKER WHO'S JOB HAS BEEN GIVEN TO A ILLEGAL (for less pay)
Meanwhile Sen. McCain, who was involved with a cyber attack against an independent nation wiyhout approval of the commander in chief, The US PRESIDENT, still attempts to dupe the public of the money they , Sen McCain and others in his criminal cabal who still are liable for kidnapping and supporting a criminal regime, intend to make, by duping the US citizens .
HEY BOY, YOU SUPPORTED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WITH REAGAN FOR JOBS NOBODY WANTS -
For every talented,hardworking and educated immigrant there hundreds of leechers.Most immigrants don't offer any special skills that can't be found in America.I don't know if it just me but most immigrants I talked to despise this country.America should definitively be more selective in immigrants.
The skills can be found, thats true. The US still produces more science and engineering graduates than any other country. It's just that we still need even more than we produce. Bringing them in from other countries is not a bad thing. Science, math and engineering graduates earn good money and, hence, pay a good amount in taxes. They are easily a net gain, not a net drain.
Immigrants with little or no education are more of an issue. We have plenty of dumba**es here already – more than we know what to do with.
SEA-–IMMIGRANTS ??? WITH MILLION OF UNEMPLOYED AMERICANS AND WITH JOBS GOING TO CHINA, WE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING MORE IMMIGRANTS IN THE U.S. YOU PEOPLE NEED TO WAKE UP. WE DO NOT NEED MORE PEOPLE.
THINK OF YOUR KIDS FUTURE, WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GET A JOB IF WE CONTINUE TO GIVE AWAY OUR JOBS TO ILLEGALS AND IMMIGRANTS ???
The statement of immigrents has benifited America,who do you think you are fooling, not an American,becouse the taxes we the Americans pay takes care of the immigrents and gives them a free ride, and maybe one day they might pay taxes whell let me tell you, there are alot of Americans sick of hearing people like you. You proberly got a free ride to. THINK ABOUT
Isreal got it right, said there weren't enough jobs for citizens and aliens to go around. Same in this country not enough jobs for citizens and illegals. Government doesn't care as long as they get elected, and Americans have no say losing homes and jobs to ones that have more rights than citizens, I'm 88 and fought in ww2 I didn't fight for what we have now. We through education versus good old boys, Educated now have us seventeen trillion in debt. Washingtom thru Carter U S A never new a trillion dollar, debt thats more than two-hundred years of good old boys doing what's RIGHt, for its Citizens.
obama says if a miracle happens and he gets re elected he will continue his work to force all latino's out of america!
immigrants used to come to the us for as much politican as economic reasons. many of the south of the border immigrants are here for economic reasons only. the money they earn is mostly send abroad and not spent in the us for goods and services. on the other side of the balance scale they do prrofit by the use of taxpayers roads, hospital, welfare, housing, etc, and utimately return to their country of origin upon retirement having saved sufficiently to live comfortaly there. immigrants from the east,namely islamic have shown in other countries even in the arab spring that they would like to have shariah as the law of the land, even piecemeal. first introduction of the veil, then the full burka and then followed with the family restrictive laws. i forecast that when any minority in a country achieves critical mass of people demand will be made by mass street and violent activities. the critical mass is here defined as one in which sufficiently large mass of people is present so as not require outside connections of the group.
So you think immigrants don't eat, buy clothes, pay rent, pay utilities, etc.
I'm from Canada – and they have not got it right – the Muslin's are becoming a problem, just like they ARE a problem in England – oh you did not even look at England – it's a mess. Canada's close to a mess. The USA has it about right. since some many want to come here – ensure they are educated, law abiding people. Those are the hoops I had to jump to get here.
AMEN! I have no problem whatsoever with someone who wants to come to our country and become part of our culture that does so through legal channels. I DO have a problem with people who enter the country illegally, and I resent that my tax dollars go to support them.
Why should we listen to a Muslim lover from India?
Exactly. Why listen to educated people making reasonable observations. Who needs that eh?
Ooops looks like I only implemented the easy part of the agreement.
We have this high un-employment rate because we are not teaching the American children properly. Our schools are so full of illegal immigrants that we can't teach our own. Stop immigration and let Americans have jobs. Make sense to me a proud American whose ancestors fought for the USA over the years. America owes these new people nothing and owes it's current citizens an education and a good paying job.
The case for imigration restriction is lost. It is a fait-accompli that the US is the magnet for migration from east-Asia, Russia and Central America. Fareed Zakaria is but one example of this fait accompli. The days of Dick and Jane are long over.
This country requires NO immigration of "high-skill" workers at this time. We're closed. There are enough highly educated and talented people living on unemployment right now and they needs the jobs that are available here. We're closed. Check back in with us in a few years. In the meantime, enjoy your home, be it New Delhi, Shanghai, or wherever....
High-skill immigration is encouraged by industry and the right wing simply to decrease the wages of high skill workers.
Fool us once, shame on you.
Fool us twice, shame on us.
Try to fool us a half dozen times with varying legislation year after year, and please just get the he** out of the country and don't look back.
Anti immigrants tell us that the illegals are taking all the jobs! Then the next time they say illegals are all welfare and food stamps! Which is it? Can't be both, liar.
Illegals are not eligible for government benefits like food stamps, welfare, regular medicaid, or unemployment insurance! But the anti immigrants will not let that fact out because the media is against immigrants.
Typical liberal. Using the term "immigration" to try to justify ILLEGAL immigration. We failed in 1985 because we gave amnesty and then did NOT follow through with enforcing the border. Just like we will do again if we give amneisty to illegal aliens.
That is because Amnesty does not work. It only encourages more to flood our borders. We need a good fence and a much better work visa program.
The problem wasn't solved in 1985/86. It was solved in 1953, when 1.3 million illlegal aliens were deported with "Operation Wetback". The problem we have today was STARTED in 1985/86, when, to satisfy liberals, Reagan granted millions of criminal illegal aliens amnesty. That was all folks in other countries needed to hear! It opened the floodgates for illegals, believing it would only be a matter of time until the next "amnesty" event.
Subsequent presidents failed to address, at the time, the continued growing problem with illegal AND legal immigration. (Main problems with LEGAL immigration is its difficulty, expense, and that it takes years... too slow.)
And that all brings us to today's illegal immigration crisis (and it IS a crisis, though oft swept under the rug by many, and minimized by others).
Job creators? Hold on a second. They are not creating jobs for Americans. They are destroying jobs for Americans. The H1B visa has been a disaster for ALL US workers, especially US STEM workers. The vast majority of these workers are cheap entry level third world workers, primarily from India and Communist China. You might wonder what technology in which India excels. Well, India leads the world in corruption, bribery, and fraud. If you want to import more "entrepreneurs" from India, it would be well advised that we beef up our extradition treaties with India first. Because we are importing loads of crooks from India parading themselves as "entrepreneurs."
It is curious that you would have Mayor Michael Bloomberg giving testimony about foreign entrepreneurs. He has an interesting story to tell about his CityTime project in which he managed to take a project that was estimated to cost $60 million and so far it has cost the taxpayers of NYC over $700 million because he chose some Indian "entrepreneurs" to staff the project with cheap, entry level workers from India instead of highly skilled, well educated US STEM workers.
I doubt that Fareed Zakaria will spend any time talking about the "entrepreneurs" that staffed the CityTime project. Zacharia has another agenda. But you can read that story here: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-06-21/wall_street/29990604_1_money-laundering-fraud-indictments
This debacle began when Mayor Bloomberg personally issued a "conflict of interests" waiver to SAIC to manage the project for NYC and Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Then Bloomberg and SAIC chose a company, named TechnoDyne, owned by two Indian "entrepreneurs," Reddy and Padma Allen, to staff the project with H1B visa recipients from India instead of highly qualified, well educated US STEM workers. The cost of the project has skyrocketed from an estimate of $60 million to over $700 million.
After massive costs overruns and arrests for bribery in the Bloomberg administration, the Allens have escaped back to India before they could spill the beans on other members of the Bloomberg administration for bribery and fraud.
It seems that NYC is a hangout for many of these Indian "entrepreneurs" that have brushes with the law. NYC is also the home of Sant Singh Chatwal, who has filed for bankruptcy at least 62 times and has been unable to pay his property taxes in multiple locations in multiple continents, but Chatwal still has enough money to funnel millions of dollars into the pockets of Bill and Hillary Clinton. On a recent visit in which Bill Clinton accompanied Chatwal back to India, Chatwal was arrested for some of his "entrepreneurial" enterprises in India. Chatwal performs the same business tactics here in the US, he just has more powerful friends here.
You see, Zakaria does not frame this story in its true context. He talks about "entrepreneurs," when in fact many of these "entrepreneurs" from India are not entrepreneurs at all. They are crooks, who often escape back to India after their fraud in the US has netted themselves a handsome bounty. So before allowing more Indian "entrepreneurs" into this country, first we should beef up our extradition agreements with India.
IN 1984 THE IMMIGRATION PROBLEM WERE SUPPOSE TO BE SOLVED. AMNESTY AND A SECURE BORDER, RIGHT.
DON'T BELIEVE THE POLITICIANS AGAIN. THE BORDER IS ONLY 30 % SECURE, WHY NOT 100 % SECURE ??
Well, I will quickly state my story. I was brought to the states at the age of 8 from Argentina. I did not ask my parents to bring me, but they did it for me to have a better life and for the whole family as well. I grew up here and yes i obtained residence through other means, but originally my parents had overstayed their visa. The point is, they came here to work! They did not come to this country to steal from the government or live for free, they worked and paid taxes! Even without a social security number, the IRS gives an ITIN number so that you can report taxes. Me, i grew up here... my friends are from here, I AM AMERICA. I will even serve in the US Navy come next August. I would have been devasted if i had turned 18 only to realize that the country i've pledged allegiance to since i was 8 years old hated me and wanted me out. An immigration reform is needed. These 11 million people will not self deport. It is ignorant to say that or to say lets kick them all out. It will not be effective nor will it work. We need a reform!!!!! And trust me, my parents dont speak fluent english but they try. My mom really does try, at the courthouse or at the local store in the mall. ..she tries to speak this language. We love this country, we feel American.... we need to reform the system once and for all. charge a fee, it doesnt matter... but ignoring the fact that there are people living in shadows in our country, or that people are scared to call 911 in our own country? It is disgusting. That is not who we are, that is not who we will be.
Immigration is an issue only during election time. In the recent elections we witnessed Obama taking a cheap shot by offering guest worker program!,
Rather than fixing the legal immigration system due to which US is losing significant talent, entrepreneurs and investments, cheap politicians use immigration to win the Latino votes. Not because it is important or because they love Latinos, just VOTES & ONLY VOTES.
It is always easy to get a strong majority to say that the government is doing things wrong, such as 73% who say we do immigration wrong in the US. Those 73% definitely do not all agree on what we need to do moving foward.
Personally, I think that the student visa to work visa plan introduced by Represenative Rubio in the House of Represenatives is a good solution. We are educating students all the way up to phd in STEM fields and then kicking them out of the country. That is just throwing away the return on a significant investment. Let these graduates stay, bringing in investment dollarsm by increasing the quality of our available workforce. Let them stay to build their own businesses.
I agree with your view point completely. We allowed foreign students to come here and after educating them we somewhat "forced" them to leave instead of giving them a chance to find jobs that will benefit our nation while we accepted many who came here legally or illegally to take advantage of our social services. I would suggest we have a system of social service by merit (like finishing a required education in exchange for helps. I know some states are doing that. But we need to do more.).
It's a lie that American high-tech companies like Google and Microsoft lack qualified American candidates for job openings at their companies. Their fabrications receive legitimacy when they financially support the campaigns of senators and congressmen up for election. There are more than adequate numbers of American engineers here, available for work at a moment's notice. There is agonizing unemployment among American's high tech workers. This "STARTUP 2.0" bill is another, more massive H1-B program designed to do one thing: reduce the price of high tech labor. That's it. The truth is that companies are starting to fret over their Indian outsourcing efforts because the labor rate is increasing there dramatically. Faced with the distasteful prospect of having to hire domestically again, these companies want their new labor force on the cheap, and they'll buy politicians to do it. These immigrants will have, according to Warner of Virginia, "...green cards stapled to their diplomas...." Is that what we want for an immigration policy? These faux-immigrants are being USED to reduce the cost of labor, and this act will further agonize the lives of hundreds of thousands of unemployed American engineers.
Funny, I'm an American who got his PhD in STEM here in America. The other STEM students were overwhelmingly foreign. That was 20 years ago. That was when outsourcing and H1-Bs were just a tiny blip. So don't say kids were discouraged by job prospects back then. Foreign labor was a non-issue.
I doubt that kids decided to join STEM in droves after that.
Where are all these hidden American engineers of which you speak? As far as I could tell, most people my age were trying to cash in on every bubble that came along, or were studying BS subjects like English.
No, we as individuals gave up on STEM because it's just too hard, long before the excuse that "They took our jobs!" became fashionable.
Microsoft, Google, and others are hiring foreigners because what they said is true. There aren't enough good engineers being raised here.
Yea, the H-1b and L1 outsourcing visas have destroyed innovation in the US. Before these corrupt visas, the US had top talent. Now we rely on lower skilled visa workers and the economy is failing. Thanks in large part to the H1b and L1 outsourcing visas
This is the truth and nothing but the truth. Zakariah is looking through rose tinted glasses. Canada's policies were broken 20 years ago. Highly qualified English educated professionals are made to pay colossal sums to migrate. They are made to wait 3-5 years before their appointments while they do menial jobs. Those who come single must wait for a minimum of 5 yrs before they reunite with their families. Unproductive senior family members are allowed in who do not contribute anything to society. Naturally we are 25 yrs behind USA. Canadian politicians are professional liars. Everything looks good on paper. All that is white is not snow in Canada.
"American high-tech companies like Google " – You mean that same Google whose co-founder was an immigrant? Get a clue before posting such silly comments.
txrsmith.... do you work in the tech OR other industries requiring engineering, math, and other such degrees? I think not.
About 20 years ago, we were short engineers and technicians for semiconductor-industry positions. We did NOT have an alternative to H1-B candidates. Then, as now, not enough people are choosing the math and sciences so as to position themselves to qualify for those positions.
To be blunt about oodoodanoo's point... quit whining and get the damn qualifications. It is people like you who are GIVING the jobs away.
High skilled well educated legal immgrants are a blip on the radar screen. The rest are illegal uneducated poor peasants with no job skills, no money on a bee line to the welfare office.
Thank You tzrxsmith. I could not have said it better. That is exactly what is going on. Corporate America is only looking for CHEAP labor There are Americans in Silicon Valley (with degrees) who are unemployed or under-employed. I have a friend who husband got his degree in his forties (math-related – a bachelor's then a masters). He is under-employed in a job with no benefits. Now, I don't understand how the U.S. government and Fareed Zakaria want more Americans with degrees to continue to be unemployed or under-employed. I don't think CNN does their research and takes notice of the other side of the problem. There is just not enough jobs for everyone – lets face it. We can not let the whole world into the U.S. I don't care how smart and bright they may be. I'm sure we have a good number of smart / intelligent people who can do the work. These employers just need to lighten up & start hiring the unemployed (& under-employed) – who have degrees, of course. A little training is probably all that's needed.
It's a lie that American high-tech companies like Google and Microsoft lack qualified American candidates for job openings at their companies. Their fabrications receive legitimacy when they financially support the campaigns of senators and congressmen up for election. There are more than adequate numbers of American engineers here, available for work at a moment's notice. There is agonizing unemployment among American's high tech workers. This "STARTUP 2.0" bill is another, more massive H1-B program designed to do one thing: reduce the price of high tech labor.
It is true! There are not enought qualify Americans for high tech jobs. I worked for a high technology company and one of my main job was to find qualify people for the job! We did not have much luck! The bad thing we were not able to hire Non-citizens since many of this jobs were goverment projects.
As a graduate student about to finish a Ph.D. in chemistry, I am looking forward to about a 42% chance of being employed (http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i23/Starting-Salaries.html). This idea that they're isn't enough STEM students is a lie. I've seen plenty of graduates go on unemployment or change careers because chemistry jobs are being shipped overseas. Yet colleges keep pumping out more Ph.D.s year after year, so that they can earn more money. Don't get me wrong, I feel that immigration reform is necessary, and where there are gaps in employment, work visas should be granted. But with unemployment in the US somewhere between 8–12%, we need to be careful about not replacing workers that are already struggling
Perhaps, we just don't have enough graduates that can match the standards of those born in other countries.
If you get a job in a non profit organization like an University, you are guaranteed a H1b visa. It will be easier to get a greencard in 3 years tops.
yes, true. Must be very careful. Many employers just want to hire the younger, cheaper foreign work force.
Who says we're 'kicking them out"? Maybe they came here for the freebies then, after they got what they wanted, they decided to leave. Seams reasonable that users would do that.
what freebies? From what I know, foreign students pay nearly DOUBLE the tuition of students from here. Also, there aren't too many scholarships made for them or they are even qualified for here.
I have an old friend from Greece. She has her Bachelors degree in Math and her Masters in Education. When she came to an American school to teach as part of her education, their math scores jumped. Now she is being forced to go back to Athens. How is this good for America's ability to compete?
Well, it opens up a position for an American teacher. The hiring personnel just have to be careful to hire a teacher who is just as good. In positions such as those there is normally a 6 month or 1 year probation to see how a new worker (or in this case – teacher) does. It is important though to hire a qualified teacher who will be able to improve test scores. I'm sure there are such people currently available here in the U.S. already.
Her family was illegal, she and her family had good years, free schooling, free medical, and probably a free college ride. I did my 20 years in the USAF, Paid for both of my sons college, why should i pay for foreigners? if you come to this country, you should be legal, self sufficient, and want to become an American the right way.
i disagree with the dream act. I disagree with the military portion too, once they become U.S. citizens they bring the whole family over, oh yeah, mom and dad are elgible for social security, medicare and medicade, so I still pay. illegal is illegal.........................
Can anyone tell me why the German government or any other government would meet with Moslem leaders over the issue of immigration. Don't we accept people from other countries based on their merits? What has religion to do with it? I'm quite confused
We don't accept people based on "merits". I wish we did! It would be wonderful to allow people in based on our needs, instead we allow them in based on their desire to be here.
Your're confused? I don't see anywhere in the article how we are going to get the immigrants off my land. Confusing article – please tell me, when do the aliens leave?
@hillclimber...unless you are native, asking when the aliens are leaving your land is unfair as you are the alien and only you can tell the natives when you are leaving!
Nina
@hillclimber...unless you are native, asking when the aliens are leaving your land is unfair as you are the alien and only you can tell the natives when you are leaving!
Time out, Nina. I'm not an indian but I am a native American. I was BORN here!
You're right. Only the real native americans should stay. Probably that over 200 million of us should go back, right?
Lead the way since this isnt your land either...lol
native Americans are immigrants too, they just here before we did
The German government met with the Islam leaders to discuss the religious ethics curriculum in schools, and independently from this, encouraged the appointment of university professors who educate school teachers in this field. Before that religious education was left (and is still left in cases where parents send their children to such "schools") to so-called Koran schools with questionable expertise and sometimes a tendency to indoctrinate attendees. My personal opinion is that the "Islamic Leaders" the German Government contacted are far more conservative than most of the Turkish people living in Germany, and therefore was not supported by the immigrants or their descendants.
In addition, in Germany the Church is not totally independent from the state, the taxes for the Church are collected by the Government, though individuals can object to pay these taxes if they wish. Therefore, giving conservative "Islamic Leaders" more financial support through a state-financed system is not necessarily a step forward but may be also a step back.
first things, first
over 7 million illegal immigrants are working in non-ag American jobs
There are existing federal laws, against illegal immigrants, being in our United States.
We, the people, do not care what race, nationality, ethnicity, religion, or color, someone is,
if they are here illegally, they have absolutely no right to be in our United States,
let alone working, in our United States.
We, the people, don't care about political parties, or their platforms,
We, the people want our existing federal laws, against illegal immigration, enforced.
We, the people, by a very large majority, want ALL illegal immigrants, out of our United States.
oh please get al life already
Neff, I dont think forumsforjustice has a problem with immigrants who came here legally. I am a second/third generation American, and I honestly only have a problem with illegal immigrants. It's not fair that they receive benefits that even the middle class cannot receive. How are these illegal immigrants having children, getting healthcare for free when many of those in the working and middle class have to pay every single penny out of their pockets? I also have an issue with the lack of assimilation in many of the illegal immigrants, but it seems like we're babying them. My grandparents and my parents learned English in their former country, but also continued to practice it when they moved here. They used it because that was the way to communicate and live here. Im not saying that English should be the official language, but we shouldn't be babying many illegal immigrants with translations for EVERYTHING. One more thing, another thing that irks me is when people fail to see that there are many caucasian illegal immigrants as well as those people who immediately label minorities (Asian, Indians, Hispanics) are immigrants.
Wow, couldn't have said it better myself! My heritage is from Ireland. My great-great grandparents came to the U.S. via Ellis Island. There, they had to take a series of tests and proclaim their loyalty to the U.S. Like stated, I have no problem with immigrants coming to America. That is what founded our Country. But, to have people come in illegally, take up our tax dollars through government programs, is just wrong. Why should I pay for the illegals? The other issue I have is language. For all these years, we have had a large influx of German, French, Russian, and other foreign speaking nations, immigrate to the U.S. I don't pick up a consumer product and see their ethnic language printed along side english. No, you only see the hispanic language on consumer products. To be fair, if the U.S. is going to print instructions, nutrition, etc... in the hispanic language, then I think it should be printed in German, Russian, French and any other language of the many different ethnic groups we have in the U.S., not just the hispanics. Or, they can do like my ancestors did and learn to read and write in English!!!!!
Your ancestors were Irish so they ALREADY spoke English. "The Irish people, when unloading from the boats, were laughed at, and then were made to move their families into a small area that consisted of only Irish people. Segregation for the Irish people was immediate from the citizens of the United States..." (http://voices.yahoo.com/prejudices-discrimination-against-our-irish-ancestors-2884292.html). Your immigrated ancestors were being discriminated against just as you discriminate against today's immigrant. Because of your ancestors, YOU my friend should be even more tolerant.
Ummmm, no 1comment, he should not be tolerant. Why should we have to learn spanish? Do you know that in many cities along the border, you will NOT be hired if you don't speak spanish? That is in the United States of America that you will not be hired unless you speak spanish. There is no need to be tolerant in that situation. Also, illegals do not deserve any sympathy. When the going gets rough, you make a life. You don't go to the US and steal money from American citizens by using social services. Hundreds of millions if not over a billion is easily being spent on illegals every year. Tell that to every US taxpayer why they should be "tolerant". My fiancee is a LEGAL immigrant and i'll bet she'll tell you to go fug yourself too.
I dont have an issue with Hispanics. But my friend who works at Sears told me that many times, she has Hispanic customers ask her "why dont you know spanish" and complain. LOL All I could do was crack up laughing. Seriously? Why dont they learn English?
Um...I see instructions in French on 90% of the merchandise in stores! I think people just notice the Spanish because they want to be antagonistic. Hispanic is not a language, its like saying someone speaks Hibernian. Hispanics are white people from Spain. And yes, there is no need for other languages on merchandise but it makes the box more generic and therefore easier to export to Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and South America.
I totally agree!
Okay. Here's how it works: You guys came here illegally. There are far too many of you to be thrown out. You can stay, but you'll have to register as a guest worker and pay taxes. And you don't get the right to vote because that right is reserved for people who came here and went through the immigration process LEGALLY.
And the Democrats and their friends in the public sector unions will have to grin and bear it.
@ Try to stay alert: Not a bad idea. This could be the beginning of realistic expectations.
I really don't see why that would upset Democrats as that seems to be closer to the position the Democrats endorse than the position the Republicans endorse.
It sounds like you want to pay immigrants slave wages.
If they're here illegally, then yes. Slave wages are all they deserve. Remember when slaves were stolen from their native lands and brought here by our ancestors? Were they paid higher wages than illegals? What's the difference between illegals and stolen slaves?
Countries with successful economies will always have some degree of immigration problems. It is up to all the governments of these countries to implement humane and reasonable immigration programs. Each country will have their specific growth needs. Immigration problems are also effected by the economic or political problems of neighboring nations. Perhaps a website addressing all the potential immigration solutions by country review and reader suggestions could be helpful.
Mr. Zakaria,
I suggest to you that US is no longer the model for the world re immigration. As for multiculturalism, pluralism, etc... Canada has it right. Even though we don't, as you say, have the same "cachet" as the USA. What hogwash..... Peace, order and good government... healthcare, sane policies, good economy, home ownership, education, etc.... long life, I could go on and on.... No place, Mr. Zakaria, is perfect – but, please – let go of the arrogance.....
I dont know what immigrants in canada do for work, I dont see any in alberta doing real mans work (oil, agriculture) thats what fuels canads economy right there... guess the liberals set em straight and told em its easier to collect benefits than work hard.
I live in alberta.........immigrant employment is at 90% in canada overall.....NO ONE WORKS HARDER THAN AN IMMIGRANT....cabbies......health care workers.....fast food.....oil rigs........trucking......you name it........albertans are working, and as we only have 5% unemployment of course immigrants are working.....
I'd have to disagree with you. I run business in Alberta and from time to time I go to place I call hell. It's a foundry with sparks flying all over, noise dirt poisonous gasses and hot and heavy metal pieces moving around you... I don't see a single white person working on the floor there, only East Indians are motivated to work there. Interestingly, the business is run by a US company...
I lived over thirty years in Canada no one day I was unemployed, non in my family has ever being on welfare or Unemployment Insurance payments, same as me thousands of imigrants have had the same experience..
I am sure some imigrants abuse the system, however they are the execption not the rule..
Viva Canada
Immigrants in Canada struggle to make a living! And I am talking of US educated immigrants. Are the Canadians really expecting their immigrants would go and explore the "New Found Land"?
I have to agree that Canada does get it right on a lot of things – here are more details about the Federal Skilled Worker program: http://immigrationcanada.pro/skilled-workers/
As for the rest of the "cachet", Canada indeed does look pretty good when you start to look at the reality of it: Why You Should Move to Canada
Now before some misguided patriot tells me to move to Canada if it is so much better, let me say that one of the things that has always made the USA great is our ability and willingness to recognize problems and change for the better. I still believe we can do that, despite our apparent increase in cultural and political pig-headedness.
I agree.. Canada vs US is a no brainer for new entrepreneurial immigrants looking to start a business. In the US you hear of people choosing to work at Walmart just so that they get healthcare, essentially wasting their potential.. Immigrants choose Canada because they wont go bankrupt due to an unforeseen health issue (most immigrants are not hired immediately so they worry about healthcare). If the US doesnt fix its healthcare greed, which costs 17-18% of GDP (and not insuring 1/6th of them) and is robbing Americans of their productivity. Add in crazy education costs, then not much will entice the global masses to embrace the US as a place to raise your kids
I'm another Albertan, also a first generation Canadian
My parents came over from Germany in the early '50s
My mother worked as a maid for a number of years before moving up to a Nurse' assistant.
My dad worked in mines, worked in a dairy, worked in slaughterhouses, eventually retiring as a school caretaker.
Where I work now in the Oil/gas patch there are a number of Chinese, a few Russians, and a number of other nationalities, all of these people had skills when they came over. None were afraid of grabbing a shovel and 'digging in'
I loved this episobde. I had come to the US to study in 7 years ago. I still havent got residency. I have plans and ideas that i want to implement but am unable to do so. Whats more..the startup that i worked for went through rough times and i found myself desperatly jumping from one job to another,,just so that I can maintain a legal residency here.... 6years..
I feel like a hamster on a wheel ! So im LEAVING ! Goodbye USA !! Toast – to a better future out east !!
I'm glad to hear you're leaving. We used you to reduce the price of high-tech labor and now we don't need you anymore, so goodbye! Tell your friends back home what America is really like!
what if I am successful at creating 10 more jobs in my new country....
I could have created them here instead !
And i'd be hiring them for a much lower cost !
Great – so an ambitious intelligent person comes to the US to get an education and wants to stay. Our system fails to allow him to stay so we could all benefit from his ideas and intelligence. And short-sighted buffoons can't wait to see him leave.
So what are we left with? Lower "high tech labor" costs because the jobs went where the innovators went – to countries that welcome them... and a bunch of fools who think that immigrants are the problem. The problem is not people who want to come here to learn and innovate; but the widespread rejection of intelligence, innovation and apparently common sense by the people who already live here. Like the older lazy bum at the office who constantly sabotages the young go-getters – you wouldn't want all those foreigners hanging around making you look bad would you?
Good luck, Archana. Sorry to see you go.
étranger de merde...tu dois être chinois....asiatique de merde
yes, good luck Archie. At least you got some work experience (better than any work experience I've had recently). Now, at least you've seen what it's like here (not so much the American dream of the 50s & 60s). If you're under 40, I'm sure you'll do fine in whatever country you're going.
thanks ! I loved my stay, my program & work here and I will miss it sorely
So a person from India is going home after being educated in the US and will hire 100 workers to build his business there instead of California. Heck, Apple engineers came up with some game changers and shipped tens of thousands of jobs to China? How did American workers benefit from that?
I had the same reaction. I use PayPal on occasion. It is headquartered in the US, but call its 1-800 and you get the Philippines. Ditto with Dell; you get India. And on and on. Does anyone really think that the jobs created by this guy would have remained primarily been in the US? They would have been outsourced, folks.
And there is an even deeper problem. This guy just took the Amazon model and applied it in India. Well, I guess Fareed forgot to mention this, but India has a highly protected market that prevents a company like Amazon from simply extending its operations there. So what you have is an Indian national taking an American model and applying it India, where no Americans need apply. I would hardly call that a successful innovation.
Just like so much of the talk about globalization, this is all a one-way street. US companies are not allowed to operate freely in India, but we in the US should lacerate ourselves for not handing out green cards to thousands and thousands of Indian computer programmers each year. Why? It is not that there are not Americans who are not trained to do these jobs, or who do not want them, but just that they will not do them for the same low wage as the Indians, or work overtime without pay and all the other things the H1-B visa program allows Microsoft et al to extract from its foreign workforce. And it is not as if there are not plenty of US entrepreneurs that have ideas about creating Internet businesses either. This notion that we have to import thousands and thousands of people from the developing world in order to have creative and innovative minds is preposterous. It is just another fig leaf for continuing the reckless immigration regime that has helped to drive down wages in sector after sector of the US economy for native born workers. If you do not believe that, talk to a native born computer programmer about the H1-B program.
The only thing this CNN segment lacked was an official endorsement from Bill Gates.
You are right. Who is to blame? Mostly corrupt American Congressmen, who on the take for campaign contributions, voted in favor of NAFTA, WTO and China trade agreements. They sold out the middle class working people for the money it takes to stay in office and should be strung up Texas style; you know, where you can bring your blanket and picknick basket and watch them swing on a sunny Sunday afternoon and laugh at the bottom of the rope jerk.
Horay! judgeroybean! You said it! I'm glad there is someone else here posting who sees what is really going on in reality. I don't know who is paying CNN & Fareed Zakaria to promote more foreign immigration to the US, but they have to understand that there are people here, raised here, & fully educated here that are suffering from being unemployed or underemployed. There's no need for more foreign workers at this time. Let's just further educate and/or train the people who have been born or raised here their entire lives.
In the last few decades, the US has kept its economy going by a series of bubbles. The last of these, the real estate bubble, led (along with NAFTA and the effects of the last amnesty) to that "great sucking sound" on the southern border whereby the US brought in at least 10 million people from Mexico and Central America from 1990 to 2005. Now the boom is over. But those illegal immigrants, who should never have been allowed to come here in the first place had the law been enforced, do not want to go home.
Well, sorry, but no amount of logic chopping, or phony statistics about crime and health service consumption like those offered by Mayor Bloomberg (whose city subsists on illegal immigration, since it has a massive tourism and convention industry built on low wage illegal labor, so asking him for an honest opinion about immigration is risible), is going to change the fact that US citizens want the current illegal immigrant population repatriated.
It is an old, discredited claim that illegal immigrants take jobs that US citizens do not want. US citizens do not want these jobs in part because they are low wage and non-unionized, but if the scab labor provided by illegals were repatriated and the immigration laws were enforced, many of those jobs would become the medium wage, unionized jobs for US citizens that they were before the illegals poured in. Anyone who doubts this should look at the history of the meat-packing industry, where decent unionized jobs were reduced to slave wage jobs for illegals. But the same is true of the restaurant and hotel and motel industries, which were partly unionized and paid much better wages prior to 1990.
The best jobs program for the US worker is a tight labor market. Having 12 million + illegal aliens, most of them uneducated and unskilled, in the US depresses wages for the native born population, and most particularly for those at the bottom of the scale. If the illegal aliens were sent home, the labor market would tighten, and wages would rise. Just plain economics and plain common sense.
As for more guest worker programs, we already have about 25. We need the abuses of the existing programs to be stopped, and also to enforce strictly the laws concerning them, which hold that no one hired on one of these programs like the H1-B is displacing a US worker, something that happens all of the time (ask any US born computer programmer if you want a slew of examples).
Lou Dobbs had all this stuff correct, even if he did not phrase it well at times.
Many of those jobs? You give an example....but what about agriculture, buddy? You honestly, seriously, think that those jobs are going to magically inflate with better job wages? It took a union...and a man, CESAR CHAVEZ, to wage numerous hunger strikes to publicize the plight of the agriculture worker condition in order to even slightly remedy that. Wages are still not at that.
And if you really "want to go there..." When was the last time you saw someone doing those back-breaking jobs in agriculture? Stephen Colbert, a comedian, may have made a good expose out of it, and testified in Congress...but you sure as heck aren't going to see too many Anglos picking away at those fruits and vegetables that require manual harvesting....
And somehow you think that by "poof, making the illegals disappear" the jobs will have their wages adjusted.
Sir...you are seriously delusional.
Joe, not all 11 million or whatever number illegals work in agriculture. The majority work in jobs that most likely can be unionized. I believe that is what judgeroybean is referring to.
Well, America was established by Great Britain. Weather you are born in America or not, if you don't have the British blood, you are not considered as the established of America.
Try getting the Supreme Court to agree with that idea, given that its membership includes two Italians, two German Jews, and a black man.
None of you, existed before, when the British arrived in North-America. The Jewish are always DENYING the reality. I don't trust the Jew and other people are tired of them as well.
yOU ARE SO MUCH SMARTER THAN ALL OF US SO WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US A SOLUTION i DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE FROM, BUT GEEEEEE YOU HAVE A PH.D. FROM HARVARD. i AM REALLY IMPRESSED. HOW ABOUT SOLVING OUR PROBLEM FOR US AS YOU ARE SOOOOOO SMART. I THINK YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER JACK OFF TRYING TO GET RICH; PROVE ME WORNG.
Mike, after all the information about this issue, for and against, I have come to the same conclusion as you!
Recent history is clear on the answer to the US immigration problems. Deport all illegal aliens. That is the law and that will solve current and future illegal immigration problems. Make it impossible for illegals to find work in the United States and deport all illegal aliens.
I am legal and have trouble finding work. The work that is there is underpaid for basic living standards.
you say that Canada is making immigration work, may be it is working for the Canadian government not for all the immigrants who are coming into Canada.
Many of these highly qualified people who come into Canada can't integrate into the workforce because most of the employers say applicant doesn't have Canadian experience.
These immigrants end up in assembly line factory jobs(cheap labor), after they have spent most of the money they brought with them.
I was in canada for 6 years and now live in US.
Canadian government says on the website that there is good life for immigrants
Here in Canada we definitely have too many skilled immigrants working in unskilled/low paying jobs. Mostly because there is still a power class that is white/maile. However, as younger immigrants come they start their own businesses and as the children of those who may be underemployed graduate they have gained connections and skills that help them land the jobs they are qualified for. The major city I live nearest to – Vancouver – is now 52% non-white and being white I am loving it! Why? Because I can learn and my children and grandchildren see a 'minii world' in one city. We hear different music, eat different food, learn words in other languages and now have friends from around the globe.
Unless you are a native American (by that I don't mean you're white and born here – I mean you're an aboriginal person) you are an immigrant. The white ones (me included) just happened to get here first – we do not have any special rights and its time we figured that out. We can all live and prosper on this continent but it takes time, work and a commitment to see everyone as equal. Sadly, there are still way too many who can't grasp the concept. That's my 2 cents worth.
did you really find it impossible to find a job in Canada. I have a bro in law looking to immigrate there. I hope the US has worked for you
Well, I do agree with you, this immigration issue really needs to be reviewed so as to properly aid the economy,if there is also one thing to pick from the situation in Canada is their ability to drive the economy through this means.
we need to scrap (family unification) and grant citizenship to all students in the world who are the top student in their high school. We need BRAINS not more family members. No FAMILY UNIFICATION, but citizens who are admitted in the best
iunterest of our country. Educated citizens with something to offer AMERICA, not dead beats with no brains. Any citizen
who has achieved in science and math, and students who are the top rank of their country should be offered citizenship or
citizenship after achieving superior grades in our system. WE NEED TO ADMIT ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER AMERICA. We have enough poverty people of over 20 million illegal here. Anyone illegal entry should never be granted citizenship, they will have to wait for their own children to rise in society. They have forfeited any right to become citizens by their illegal actions. .
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I say if you can't spell properly and use correct grammar then out you go!
To demand correct spelling and grammar as a qualification for citizenship would mean more than half of US born Americans would be sent packing somewhere else! Maybe grandma's home country? Take a look at the spelling and grammar of any recent high school class – you would be shocked!
Fareed. One TINY detail missing from the comparison against other countries. The huge number of ILLEGAL immigrants into the USA!.
CNN is at it again lol....why whould the USA want to take lessons on immigration from any other country?! We have always been the beacon of light for immigrants and always will be as long as the liberals dont get their way. ALL immigrants are welcome....LEGALLY! Just do it the right way. IT has nothing to do with hate or any bs the liberals want to make up. Its simply about protecting the USA's best interest and thats making sure immigrants do it legally to prevent anything other than honest immigrants from coming to the greatest country on Earth. Dont believe the liberal hate hype.....their only weapon is to attack their opponents. On the issues they lose everytime. GOP in 2012!
You are correct, sir.
Since when do all liberals support illegal immigrants? Most that I know strongly support the enforcement of immigration laws to be an absolute necessity of a free state. It is mainly hispanics and politicians who are puppets of big business who support amnesty measures. And I seem to recall ol' Bush and his friends supporting amnesty. Check out this link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,109026,00.html
We only take those low-educated illegals, but Canada took all the good ones.
im cool with legal immigration. legal immigrants tend to be hard working and law abiding more so then local born. It's illegal immigration that worries me. I'd be fine with looser immigration laws AFTER we secure a certain unguarded border.
Coming from a family of legal Cuban immigrants, i can confirm that legal immigrates hate illegals more than any redneck
The difference for immigrants is the fact these other countries have "hate speech" laws, and get up in arms about protecting people from discrimination. It helps when your country doesnt mix religion and politics, because facing christian-based laws when you dont practice Christianity is hard to swallow.
boo hoo, then go somewhere else
Teach US ?
No one needs to teach US , we need to follow and enforce the LAW , if you are illegal , you are illegal .
If you have proof , you have been here for over 5 years , pay 5,000 fine per household , for every year you have been here , up to
Cap of 10 yr or 50,000.(payment plans available )
Less than 5 years ,goodbye and so long.
If serving soldier in family , fine waived after completion of soldier's term.
New illegals , put in chain gang , and paint, rebuild inner city , 1 year stay and after , fly into Southernmost Mexico , and parachute them there .
Second capture of illegal, parachute from space , to southernmost Mexico .
If a Company hires illegals , 50,000 fine , per illegal person .
This is just a start Zakaria .
that's funny....
Nice to see quite a few people here have a good sense of humor. Fareed Zakaria has a lot to learn. Perhaps he should visit Silicon Valley, stay for a few weeks, & see for himself all the homeless, the illegals working in Fast Food restaurants, office buildings as janitors, & God knows where else. Then there are the H1B visa holders... quite a lot of them are working. Don't know if they're happy with their situation, but at least they're working. Then Fareed needs to visit the unemployment office & see the many Americans & legal workers age 45 & over (many educated) who are not working or under-employed. Then he can do another segment & talk about how things really are.
Living in Canada, I see 85 percent Chinese in my city, and they have no interest in "ACTING" Canadian. The city next to us is almost all East Indian, again no interest in being "Canadian". We're fractured, and people growing up here cannot afford to live. Manu Immigrants are bringing family members here to collect free Health Care. This cannot continue, and is by no means, a model for anyone to follow.
Sorry to hear that. Sounds like California.
well said Joe. I hear what you're saying. I feel for Canada. I think too much immigration in time will reach a boiling point. Same can be said for California.
Take a breath Joe, I live in Vancouver and I love the multicultural feel of the city. So you go to a mall etc., and hear twenty different foreign languages and not all are Chinese or Hindi or Punjabi; I hear Italian, Portugese, Hungarian etc. That is what makes our country great. You go to the different areas and see store signs in different languages BUT english is always displayed, what is wrong with that? We have an area that is known as little Italy, a Korean are, Indian (East) and Chinese. I go to these areas to shop when I want something specifically related to that culture. I believe there is room for all of us. No it is not perfect and we can always improve and as long as we are tolerant it will be fine.
Even here in Canada the farm work, fruit pickers etc., is done by people of colour and for less wages. In fact we have a farmworkers program where we bring in seasonal workers from Mexico etc., because the "white" people think this is beneath them and don't want to work so hard.
Every country is different and what works here may not work in other places, I don't agree with the comparisons. I don't believe one race or ethnicity is better or worse than the other, we all make a contribution in our own way. I took a month off work and travelled across our vast country and we are so different province to province, city to city, I absolutely loved it and love my country.
Ok, first I admit I didn't read the article.. I just noticed who the article was written by. I just stopped in to say... Zakaria is the most boring personality on CNN.. Honest, I have tried watching his show.. but I keep falling asleep. There is no excitement in his voice... no change in his voice... just a monotone irritating sound. Ok, continue on.
We need more immigrants. My corporation friends love cheap labor!
Canada does have it right, they let people in with skills that are needed. If we did that, I doubt most of the people that come in from south of the boarder would get in. Agricultural workers would be the exception, and that's fine. Another thing to look at (especially for the lefties out there who love to support illegal immigration) is how strict these other nations are with immigration. Think about that the next time you want to say that America's at all intolerant of immigrants. We already have a lax immigration policy that we don't even bother to enforce most of the time.
Hey I am a lefty! AND I agree with you.
Here is the real problem, its not immigration, its not even illegal immigration (in principle) it's that our immigration policy net us the poorest people from one culture from one country. The 13% that's foreign born need to be a larger swath of the worlds population from a larger social strata. We need to tighten up illegal immigration so we can increase legal immigration, that way we can have a policy that gets us a bit more then the labor class/poor of Mexico.
Our immigration policy net us the poorest people from one culture from one country. The 13% that's foreign born need to be a larger swath of the worlds population from a larger social strata. We need to tighten up illegal immigration so we can increase legal immigration, that way we can have a policy that gets us a bit more then the labor class/poor of Mexico.
Wait a minute. It's not about immigration. It's about legal versus illegal. There many people from the south who waltz across the border and do what they want and scream blood murder if they are arrested or insulted and demand rights. Also there are those from Caribbean islands who come ashore at night. Many of them continue their law-breaking ways and either obtain false licenses etc or drive without them & insurance and use our schools, healthcare and other services free. When I fly into Miami from abroad I have to go through immigration and customs. This is my objection not those who apply for legal entry. They are welcome.
It is a result of too incompetent and inefficient politicians. My feeling is Americans (government) by themselves want to bring more illegal immigrants so that they work for Americans for too less, and die thirsty in the farm (there are many true examples), which may be that easy with legal immigrants. Sounds great, exploits the pooooors and be superpower! It is the reality that I saw.
Both parties benefit from exploiting illegal immigrants. The dem's get the voting block they want (or I should say future voting block, from their children). The Reps get the indentured servants they want to increase the profit margin.
There you go again.. Well I am a Democrat with no Union ties. Unions are starting to embrace illegals because they arent getting any new members elsewhere.
So true... that's why we need a 3rd party. And we need to elect a 3rd party president. I don't think anything is going to change as long as we have a two party system.
The H-1b visa is mostly used by off-shoring outsourcing companies. This CNN story is nothing but a shill story for H-1b outsourcing visas. The biggest users of the H-1b outsourcing visa ship jobs overseas. CNN, this is why you have no more viewers, your news is fake.
CNN needs to clean up its act and start feeling the American worker's pain. They're insane (or is it Mr. Zakaria that's insane) – saying the U.S. needs to hand out more H-1B visas + allow students having graduated to stay in the U.S. & work – knowing that we have a 10% unemployment rate in California especially. Has CNN jumped on the bandwagon & started hiring foreign workers (on H-1B's perhaps). I've wondered... since Mr. Zakaria came on board, as well as Piers Morgan. Now don't get me wrong, they're good reporters, (though Mr. Zakaria needs to do a better job in knowing the facts before he opens his mouth), but couldn't they have hired American journalists? Next thing we'll see is CNN leaving Atlanta & going God knows where. It may be cheaper for them to do business from elsewhere as has been the trend.
When our forefathers came here from europe, they just jumped on a boat and were processed into our country as soon as they landed. We have a huge number of "illegals" because our bureaucratic red tape makes them wait years before they are admitted Any "illegal" who has a solid work record and no criminal record should be allowed to work legally in the US
I don't really see the point in celebrating the efforts of these "legal" immigrants.
Since the democrats continue to state clearly that illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay and enjoy all the benfits of legal immigrants it seems to me that the democrats are just saying these people are stupid.
The Republicans also seek a way to keep illegal immigration alive and well. The Democrats are looking for new voters, and the Republicans want a ready-made third world workforce for American businesses.
Correct! Thank you. chicago 7.
I'm a Democrat and I don't support illegal immigration.. You may be listening to Rush Limbaugh a little too closely. You and I probably think more alike than you imagine.
@name* a lot of Dem's don't support illegal immigration due to the there Union ties. But, as a whole, the Democratic party is the pro-illegal immigration party. They are the ones that always pass legislation for sanctuary cities, drivers license for illegals, dream act etc etc. So it is the party of works and the party of exploiting works for their votes, which I've always though was odd. As long as they get their money/votes I guess it's all good. That's why I love Cesar Chavez day so much, it kinda sums up the contradiction of the democratic party.
We're talking about the politicians and not private citizens. The Democrats and the Republicans both include in their political platforms easier ways for illegal immigrants to become legal. If you look at polls of average Americans however, that's where you see the strong opposition.
If I recall, oh..and I do–it was Ronald Reagan who gave everyone amnesty in the 80s. Then G.W. tried to pass something similar during his tenure. There wa
s a huge backlash and it didn't pass. Only after this immense backlash did Republicans get on the anti-immigratin bandwagon. They had no idea how furious the public would be. The US Chamber of Commerce supported it, then and now. They like cheap labor. Anything to keep business costs down. Where were you then? In high school? Maybe you have amnesia.
No you're right. But I was speaking a bit more in modern history. You left out the fact that Obama has stepped up boarder enforcement since GW. However, by and large, in today's political landscape, Democrats pass more pro-illegal immigration legislation then Republicans, that's simply a fact.
How can CNN not state the FACT that the H-1b is almost exclusively used by Indian outsourcing companies? This story is pure propaganda.
Zakaria, hopefully some illegal will take your job and you star to understand this issue.
MORE idiotic drivel from liberal CNN. Cant believe I used to use CNN as my homepage.
Illegal immigration has poisoned the whole subject of immigration. Many of us know that immigrants are vital. However, they should be immigrants of OUR choosing. This is clearly Canada's approach. Our approach is to look the other way while illegal immigrants make our immigration policy for us.
The Anchor Baby problem is another reason illegal immigration is a huge issue. We end up transforming our country through mass illegality.
It seems that every time I see an article like this, no one wants to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. And no one ever mentions that the immigrants of a hundred years ago, who built much of this nation, came here to stay. They left their old countries behind forever. They made their businesses here, brought their families here and had their children here. They became part of and contributed to our society, and our national wealth and culture. The wave of illegal immigrants have held down jobs in this country because they accepted less pay than Americans would have required for the same work. (Shame on American businesses who were unwilling to pay minimum wage and would rather break the law.) They have not assimilated and have sent much of their earnings back to their home countries and have not invested themselves or their earnings here. That's why they have such a difficult time getting the goodwill of the American people in their bid to be accepted.
I love how the argument is always "these are the jobs Americans wont do"... Which is total BS, it's really "these are the jobs American's won't do for $5/hour, no overtime, bad/dangerous conditions". I have a college degree, am a professional BUT if you pay be 6-figures I'll shovel sh.it all day because it's less stressful
I too have a university degree (from a CSU), but if I have to take on a second or third job working late nights at a fast food (as I had in my late teens) – that job would today not be available. Because the fast food I used to work – today hires most likely illegal workers. The few times I've gone, everyone talks in Spanish. And not only there, but at just about every fast food (except maybe In-&-Out Burger). Being a cashier was not that bad (those many many years ago). I did enjoy the job (think Fast Times at Ridgemont High). But today, I don't think they'd hire me & take the job away from an illegal. The people working there seem like a tight bunch.
Not to mention that legals have to pay federal, state, local, and Medicare taxes out of their hard earned wages. There would be nothing left out of the paycheck to provide for one's own survival. That would, of course, defeat the purpose of working.
I am all for legal immigration. I work with a man from South Vietnam who means the world to me. He is a wonderful friend and very intelligent. He went through the proper channels and received his citizenship because that was the RESPONSIBLE thing to do!
You are so right. But 19th and early 20th century immigrants were also exploited tremendously. They were legal and they finally fought and died for better working conditions.
The factories could have moved some of the work to the South, which was very poor. Southerners didnt move north because of descrimination after the Civil War. ....Getting off topic!
What I want to know is when exactly is CNN planning to place an article on the front page above the fold that isn't about being sympathetic to illegal immigrants. Every single article seems to only pose the benefits of immigration (without distinguishing between illegal and legal) and why US citizens needs to be more open to immigrants. I have plenty of neighbors who are open to immigration and influx of LEGAL immigrants into this country. It's the illegal immigration that has everyone in arms. And for good reason. The number is in the MILLIONS and there are far to many LEGAL CITIZENS (born or naturalized) who need jobs and are tired of watching people committing crimes getting away with it.
Well Said!
I agree with you Chicago7. But they would argue that because they can not bring their families with them (as in the old days – when families would come together or come soon after b/c there was no waiting period) – then there's no alternative today but to come here, make the money, & send it back home to the rest of the family that needs it. I understand their dilemma. But yeah, you're right too – that these people are mainly clinging to their home country & language and are only here for the purpose of working. While many I'm sure want to sneak members of their family into this country (for better wages), there's little incentive to learn the language it seems or assimilate into the American way of life.
One very important aspect that differentiates America from other countries is that America grants birth right citizenship to a child born on its soil irrespective of the legal or illegal status of parents. If I were accidentally flying over US and my plane crashed and we had a baby magically on US soil, the baby will be american. Several countries that sued to grants birth on soil citizenship abolished it, but America follows it. It is a major reason why immigration has grown uncontrollably in US. Talkk of birth tourism, or overstaying for work just to have a baby in US. I am surprised why fareed did not talk about this. kind of the elephant in the room no one acknowledges.
For the record, Canada also grants birthright citizenship (and so does Mexico, funnily enough) regardless of the immigration status of the parent (provided that neither parent is a diplomat).
And yes, childbirth tourism is a minor problem in Canada, though it doesn't seem to be a huge phenomenon. The thing is, since Canada also has universal health-care some mothers come to Canada, give birth and leave, leaving the bill to the government to absorb. Yet that hasn't poisoned the immigration policies up there.
To all of you talking about it would be ok if they are here LEGALLY. The US Legal immigration system is very strict. It is extremely difficult to get a green card (alien resident) let alone naturalize (citizenship). To take a step forward you need to take a step backward first.
Make LEGAL immigration easier, especially for skilled workers. For international students on student visas, if they complete their degree give them a working visa. If they have a job, pay taxes and are productive in their field, then give them a green card. if they don' do anything, revoke the visa and make them go home. Remove requirements such as sponsorship for a visa or greencard. That costs money for the company, so very few people can find a company that will sponsor a visa let alone a green card. and when they do sponsor someone, its at really low wages, so some companies hire in this manner to save wages, if the job is high paying enough.
create a path for ILLEGALS to become LEGAL. For example, if an Illegal has a job and is willing to pay taxes, give them a visa. if they keep paying taxes for several years give them a green card. if not, let the visa expire and deport. Create a window so it will not apply for future illegals. Illegals that didn't apply during the window will then be deported. This way you sort out productive vs nonproductive members of our society.
We don't need to make it easier to immigrate into the United States. What we need to do is enforce the current immigration law. Granting Amnesty to illegal aliens is a terrible idea. It was tried in 1986 with 3 million illegals and today we have over 11 million. The best answer would be to deport all illegal aliens, secure the border and fine anyone who hires an illegal.
Illegal and legal are just distinctions made by law. If the law is different the labels change. The US does not have the resources to enforce its law. Look at the failed war on drugs. drugs continue to pour into the US, regardless of US law. Consider this example. by law you are told to live in a cell. you will eat oatmeal everyday for the rest of your life. However, the door to the cell is wide open and just in the next room you can eat whatever you want with any luxury you can think. What compells you to stay in you cell? the law? just because you are told one thing is right and another is wrong doesn't have any power. only if that law is enforceable does that law actually have any power. The US has too many borders. If someone is determined to get in they will get in. If drugs can come through, so can people.
What I propose is not General Amnesty. It is a method to separate productive vs non productive individuals. This way the focus can be on those that do not help american growth, and not waste resources on those that do.
Why are liberals so stupid?
why can't they distinguish between illegal and legal immigration? Why not just shut down the borders and let them do whatever they want?
Dumb liberals
You should do your homework before you talk. Check out the Republican platform on illegal immigration. The so-called "liberals" are not alone in this mess, at all.
Does CNN even have editors? The United States was not founded by immigrants! Firstly there must be a country for which a foreigner would be considered as an immigrant. Secondly, the US was FOUNDED by revolting Englishmen. Not immigrants.
On the contrary, it was the grandchildren of the Scottish Patriots who would not submit to English cruelty. Check the facts!
Wow, Bloomberg is a lot of things but well informed, he is not. Illegal immigrants' children have completely overrun the schools in California, Texas and elsewhere. They file for tax credit cash by having an Individual Taxpayer ID number. Before Bloomberg spouts off about things he clearly knows nothing about, he might have a staffer do a little research and brief him.
The idea of making things easier for skilled immigrant laborers would be great if we weren't exporting all those jobs wholesale to India and China.
deport
About Canada getting immigration 'right' : you should visit Toronto which is overrun by Bangladeshis, SriLankans, etc.
You will be hardpressed to find the original white population any more.
I don't think this is a healthy situation at all.
I'm white, I live in Toronto and I'm doing fine. I just wish there where more francophone here, my French has suffered ever since moving here.
But honestly, why exactly should I care that most of my coworkers are non-whites? Most of them are completely assimilated into Canadian culture by now and most of them speak English better than I do, so I fail to see the problem...
Overrun? By people who live and/or were born there? Pfft. Toronto is more than half non-white and it's great. Problems with some communities, as they put it? Yup. But overall, Toronto is a great place to live and work and it's largely due to it not being a stodgy white Anglo-only city, like it was 50 years ago. (and yes, I'm white Anglo)
Toronto or Canada is good for those who runaway from Hitler and East-Europeans who were hated and discriminated by their own people, forced to leave Europe.
Chris, which one are you?
Many thanks to Great Britain.
I am in the technology industry, and most H-1b and L1 visas are used to ship jobs overseas. Just look at the numbers, most of these visas are used by outsourcing companies. It really is bad that CNN didn't mention this important fact.
Yea, very true. I wonder why CNN didn't mention this? Seems like this "news cast" is a propaganda piece for the outsourcing industry.
yes, absolutely. Shame CNN
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Every single time Bloomberg opens his mouth, he spouts another example of personal ignorance of the facts of this issue. Several studies by ag economists have shown that significant increases in wage rates would not increase the price of produce much at all. Why? The labor in a box of produce usually costs less than the cardboard box.
And what Bloomberg clearly doesn't know is that only 3% of illegal immigrants are in ag anyway. The rest are in bricklaying, framing, carpentry, roofing, tree trimming, meat packing, baking, landscaping, restaurants, hotels, on and on - all jobs Americans did do and will do if not displaced by workers who will accept lower wages, poorer working conditions and jobs that they, themselves, transform into "illegal workers' jobs">
H1 visa and Low Wages
2 points:
1. A lot of 'experts' here have mentioned that H1 visa is to get cheap labor working for American companies. The allusion being that those on H1 work visa get paid lower than an American citizen doing an equivalent job. Do the people claiming this have any statistics around this or any sort of facts? Or are they just pulling out wishful thoughts from their rear and passing them off like facts? I happen to know around 100's of H1 workers in the technology industry, and if i actually tell yoi how much they make, most of those who think H1 are low paid might not be able to sleep well. H1 get paid equal if not more than a citizen, and quite ironically, companies expend more money on H1 guys than on a citizen because of the expenses invokved invisa processing, green card etc.
2. Those who say there are adequate Americans available with hard technology skills have never really had any experience with hiring or recruiting. Companies pay 30% more to get in H1 because you just do not have enough talent available among the citizens.
Just thought i'll drop some reality checks.
Actually all the real facts prove H-1bs are paid 30% less than US workers in the same position. The GAO stated that the 80% or H-1bs are either entry level or lower paid than US workers. The only studies that refute that are done by the corrupt outsourcing industry.
You're the one that needs the reality check, where is your supporting information (funny how you put 2 claims out there yourself with no support, yet you expect others to believe what you say with zero supporting information)
http://hothardware.com/News/Study-H1B-Visas-Lower-US-Programmer-Pay/
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2005_10_26/us/us_h1b_visa_holders_earn_less.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/are-americans-losing-high-skilled-jobs-to-foreigners/
http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=jeffrey_gower
http://thejcrevelator2.hubpages.com/hub/HowH1BVisaFRAUDiskillingAmerica
Jason, I have to disagree with you. In 2006, I worked with a gal hired on an H-1B. She did a job that was accounting-related. Now, my degree is in Business (w/ an MIS concentration). I know accounting as well. I could have done her job with my eyes closed. It was more data entry related. They only hired her because 1. She was young. 2. She was pursuing taking the CPA. I, on the other hand, was performing a dumb job as a temp worker (copy/paste in search of information in a database, assisting buyers, sending emails to vendors, etc). I probably would have enjoyed her job more perhaps – rather than look for something else. For she stayed there, working happily way after I left. So, my point is – a lot of these are jobs Americans can do. It is the wicked employers who choose to hire people on H-1Bs for insignificant reasons. Perhaps because they want someone young and naive. Who knows (?).
We need to fix the issues caused by the 14th amendment and stop incentivising illegal aliens. Stop giving preference to foreign workers over U.S. Citizens who happen to be "people of age". Until then, we will not know how many people legitimately need to be brought in. How many Citizens lost their jobs to H1-B Visa recipients right after training them? How many job need to be "reshored" to American Workers first?
Hey, zakariah, the problem is that you don't distinguish between "legal and "illegal" immigration. Legally, we will accept everyone, but illegals are committing a felony, breaking the immigration laws. Everybody talks about immigrants and their rights, but illegals came to the country unlawfully!...so americans are right thinking immigrantsare a threat to american values. Illegals come to the usa looking for the social service for free and to give birth to lots of sons and daughters to become citizens and prevent being deported!....
Fareed is a good example of why CNN has low ratings.Keep the crap coming Fareed.
No they do not. What is CNN doing?
If H1-B visa holders help create jobs (& the graduates who stay in the U.S. shortly after graduating) – then why couldn't I get a $50K job with benefits after obtaining my degree in the early 2000s? Why was I offered a job paying $13/hr where I'd be working alongside 20 to 30 foreigners in a room?
To the guy posting about the H1 B visa. That particular visa has an annual cap and has a 1 or 3 year time limit. Only 65000 H1Bs are issued per year with an additional 20000 f advanced H1-B issued for those who have a masters or a PHD. It used to be one of the easier paths to a green card. However, now the application of getting a green card takes longer than 1 to 3 years, meaning your visa could expire before you get a green card, so many very skilled workers with a H1-B go back home.
I guess if someone on a temporary guest worker, outsourcing visa leaves... then the system is working as designed...
The H1B is not a typical outsourcing visa. It allows U.S. employers to temporarily employ foreign workers in specialty occupations. The regulations define a "specialty occupation" as requiring theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge in a field of human endeavor[1] including but not limited to architecture, engineering, mathematics, physical sciences, social sciences, biotechnology, medicine and health, education, law, accounting, business specialties, theology, and the arts, and requiring the attainment of a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent as a minimum[2] (with the exception of fashion models, who must be "of distinguished merit and ability").[3] Likewise, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent and state licensure, if required to practice in that field. H-1B work-authorization is strictly limited to employment by the sponsoring employer.
Its basically the cream of the crop of foreign workers
I just looked it up, H-1b is mostly used by outsourcing companies.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9208961/Top_H_1B_visa_user_of_2010_An_Indian_firm
Truth Seeker, Have you ever seen what any graduate program of a STEM field looks like? its mostly asians and indians. of course there's going to be a lot of H1Bs that are asians and Indians. Now who would pay most for a worker who is indian, speaks the language, and has the skills necessary? It goes and fits with the added benefit that operating in india is way cheaper in the US. For companies that have operations in India, that type of worker is perfect. This is not a visa problem. Its an education problem. More US students have to compete and beat out foreign students in those fields for those type of work to develop here in the US.
The reason immigration reform - aka amnesty - is more elusive today is that illegal immigrants have fanned out all over America, especially in the last five years. So, many Americans of all political beliefs, in a lot of states, are mad about how out of control this mess has become and they want it fixed.
The way to fix it is straightforward, if not rapid:
(1) Stop all talk of there ever being any form of amnesty, EVER, as this roots illegal aliens in place
(2) Mandate eVerify for employment and police its use by employers
(3) Continue to roll out Secure Communities
"Today, many Americans see immigrants as a danger to that dream."
Come on. We do not see immigration as a danger. We see ILLEGAL immigration as a danger. People who legally immigrate to the US are no problem at all. All we ask is that it be legal. Illegal immigration is against the law which makes them criminals. What a way to start a quest for citizenship – as a criminal.
H-1bs have been as high as 195k a year and they can be renewed. If you include the L1 outsourcing visa, there are over 1 million workers in the US on outsourcing visas. The biggest users of these visas are Tata, Wipro, Infosys, and a vast array of off-shoring companies.
if they already reach the annual limit of 65000 or have more applicants than that and wasn't lucky enough to pass the lottery, the H1B can't be renewed and that worker goes back home.
Actually, it is 85,000 and there are a lot of corrupt exceptions from the cap. L1 is unlimited numbers. Not sure if renewals count against the cap. I'm sure our corrupt politicians make sure they don't.
sure the 20000 Advanced H1bs for masters and above. I wrote about that somewhere in a post here. and renewals do count. that's why many individuals who have been working in the us for years, suddenly have to go back to their original country because the renewal did not pass.
I don't agree with how the L1 visas are issued, especially the blanket manner. this is a more recent creation.
Eddard, there are 65000 visas issued for h1b and an additional 20000 for graduates from US schools with a masters or better. However there is an unlimited quota to those employed by non profit organizations like Universities or churches and vice versa.
Fareed, for goodness sake, do your homework before you write about Canada doing a “right thing”. 90% of Canadian immigration is under “family” category, and not “professional”. So, while the country needs construction workers and doctors, 90% of the immigrants are professional accountants. The result: Canada has a labor market where one needs a BA Accounting, MBA & a Professional accounting designation to get a Senior Analyst job. At the same time, Canadians still have to spend 3 months to see a “professional” physician (i.e. cardiologist).
Talk to any of the Canadians, whose parents are not a part of the latest immigration wave, over a beer. You would hear the true (and pretty emotional) stories on how they “do not mind” the immigration.
What are you babbling about? 90% of our immigration in Canada is NOT family related. Stop being a bigot. The fact that you can't find a doctor doesn't correlate to family reunification. As for the "in the good old days immigrants assimilated", what a crock. The reason that Little Italy, China Town, Little Vietnam and the Irish areas existed were because the immigrants stuck together with people from their own culture and because WASPs didn't want them in their areas. Very few Browns, Smiths and Whites died in the Triangle Shirtwaist fire.
Mr Zakaria should come live in Canada for a while and see if we are getting it right. We have Jamaicans bringing their gang violence from Jamaica into Toronto. Asian gangs bringing violence from the Orient to Vancouver...middle eastern people in Ontario who can't drive their rusted out 1995 Dodge so they bump your car in a parking lot and drive away because in Iraq it's no big deal....get a freaking clue people, not to mention the Korean ladies at the golf course who use umbrellas on beautiful days without a cloud in the sky....why? Because in Korea having a tan means you're poor....in Korea...not is Canada. It's ridiculous.
That's good Canada Person. I'm sure Canada has its problems because of the out-of-hand mass immigration that Mr. Zakaria was talking about. Now, he wants the U.S. to follow in Canada's footsteps. yes, Mr. Zakaria does need to visit Canada & perhaps live there for a while. I too, suggested that he should come to Silicon Valley (San Jose & the Bay Area Pennisula) to see what it is like. I hope he brings some dollar bills to hand out to all the homeless. And if he visits the unemployment office – good luck in finding a parking space.
"coming to the promised land in search of freedom and opportunity, in pursuit of the American dream"
Ok, there is no such thing as the promised land, it was a nightmare for the native American!
I don’t believe it What America should learn from Europe= Nothing NADA. CNN is bias against the US, does not matter if we have a Democratic or Republican President this is about America.
Let me say one thing about Europe, Europe immigration policy is worse than the US. Example the island of Malta lots migrants are picked by the Armed Forces almost every other day. http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120602/local/migrants.422424.
Before Muammar Gaddafi was killed the EU blamed the Gaddafi regime for such problems, but the reality its worse now than a year ago, the EU does not care about a small island, in the Mediterranean. The problem is being handled by the Italian authorities; quite frankly Italy has taken a lot of these illegal migrants. The Maltese Government is doing everything including housing and feeding these migrants. The migrants will be repatriated to the US, Canada or Australia.
America is and always remains the Melting Pot. I am Naturalized American came from Europe 28 years ago; I can tell you Europe does not have the best Immigration policy. In the 60 and 70, you could not work in the UK, unless you have a commonwealth passport.
Italy and France have problems with migrants from Algeria, Romanians and other ex soviet countries, Gypsies running around largely in Metropolitan areas. Germany have integrated the Turkish population, but some of them are retuning back Turkey.
This is just a few. Mr Zakaria, please check facts before you posts such comments. America has given me and others, a great life, and the opportunity that no one can. Freedom and liberty are hard to come by; I thank our troops that served and sacrificed to keep our Freedom. I am proud to serve with our Military. When one travel, & works in other parts of the world, you can understand the Greatness of our Nation.
GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Simon Abela
Dallas Texas
I am glad that the US Immigration policy from 28 years ago worked out for you. Many of my colleagues also immigrated in a similar time frame and it was are happy with being able to immigrate to the US. Unfortunately, the US Immigration policy today is not as it used to be. Legally immigrating to the US is extremely hard because getting a green card now is extremely hard. first applying for a green card has become very strict. second the time it takes for a green card to be issued after you get the ok is way longer, often longer than the time limits of the visas. which means if you leave the country once your visa expires, your green card application is considered abandoned. third, having visas renewed has also become very difficult and more and more foreign workers are sent home.
I think employers like it this way. They'd rather let the visa expire rather than having to downsize and have to compensate.
Just a stupid article. Fareed is occasionally inspired and generally idiotic. Nothing about Canada's immigration situation is similar to the U.S. nothing about Europe's is. When any of these countries shares a thousand mile porous border with a country who's GDP is roughly 25% of theirs then we can talk. Up until someone wants to sight a similar situation as an example this is all liberal propaganda. By the way, we have done amnesty. Under a REPUBLICAN and it only made the problem WORSE. We can't remove the economic incentive without becoming less prosperous (which despite our own efforts doesn't seem to be working so far) SO the only solution is to control our border, train OUR people for the jobs WE NEED and get on with it.
Its only the white guys who get fired from CNN.Can anyone tell me why Fareed has a TV show on CNN.
So you guys shill for outsourcing visas now?
Accept those who can contribute and only those who apply legally to enter these United States. Keep out lawbreakers.
I have never been impressed with Zacharea and even less so now. CNN should really dump him.
We dont need more uneeded and unwanted foreigners, we overdosed long ago. Too many wont feather into our society and keep to their own corrupt group.
I believe in legal immigration. It has been and continues to be the bedrock of what America stands for as well as a key element in our strength as a nation. What I take exception to is an immigrant with an anti-assimilation mindset. Call me a bigot when I say that immigrants who are committed to a totalitarian philosophy masquerading as a religion should not be welcome. Proof? Look at Europe to get some insight as to what awaits us if we fail to wake up.
I think you've hit the proverbial nail on the head. Americans generally accept immigration as "part of who we are"...but we DON'T accept immigrants who refuse to learn English and become American. I think the prevalence of foreign language media in the US only makes it easier for people to avoid assimilating. You don't have to learn English; you can get TV in your own language. I remember in the 1960s my mother was learning English...she used American soap operas as her basic instruction tool and she learned quickly. That doesn't mean that my family avoids traditions from her country; we treasure our heritage. But we are Americans first.
Zakaria, did you really did your homework before writing this article?, the Muslims in Europe are unskilled, unemployed and do not want to be employed but rather living on the benefits these socialist governments lavish on them. They are not interested to get ahead like new Americans immigrants, they are depleting the country from all resources and causing more social problems then any other groups. As to Canadians that give points to immigrants that have skills and education so they can be accepted as citizen might be good for Canada but it is disastrous to the countries that these immigrants leave because these countries need their skills and education to bring the country from poverty.
HI JC, I agreed with your first half but not the second. As one of the immigrants who left the UK and came to Canada, the reason was very simple. I was a foreigner in my own country, I no longer had rights. The law was on the side of the asylum seeker or minority group – if I said something I was a racist. If we needed support from the police we did not get it – Mrs Muhammad phones the police and they were there in 5 minutes, if I called it was at least 30 minutes if not longer. I worked long and hard in my country, I and my husband are highly qualified; he is also ex-military and serviced his country. Our children were losing out. Some of the schools in Glasgow were actually refusing to accept white British children who could only speak English – they had so many children speaking Punjabi they converted the school, so our children had to travel. They tried to get my daughter to learn Somali so the children in her class did not feel left out (and these were illegal immigrants!!). If you live in the UK same as America – SPEAK ENGLISH. Our government was spending millions converting everything into their language – learn English, save the money. Yes, Europe and particular the UK is full of groups who have only moved there for the benefit system – free housing, medical care and money in your pocket each week, what more can you ask for. When they did work it was on the black market – everything dodgy you can think of – and still claimed their benefits. If caught and I can assure you this is true – they got away with it, just a reprimand, do not do it again – which they did – in some cases they even gave them more money – HONEST!!! My friends husband was a taxi driver, he picked up a woman with a baby and she had a stroller, when he asked if she wanted it folder and put in the trunk she said no the social would buy her a new one – all because she had missed the bus – again honest it is true. We want to be in a country where we are respected and where we can work to benefit the country that has taken us in.
I have to admit, I was agreeing with the CNN immigration episode until I found out these visas are used to outsource jobs. CNN needs to do a better job in reporting, because errors like this are not acceptable.
Shill "news" stories like this one have no need for facts. They just make stuff up with no regard for the truth.
Can't they just do some research, write an article and let the reader make up their own mind? Instead they have present it as a lesson for the U.S. Huh?
The only reason why Americans believe immigration is a danger to America is because of the color. If legal and illegal immigrants coming here were all blond hair, blue eyes, America would roll out the red carpet for them. If fact, Americans should worry about white european immigrants because they are the ones that WILL take your nice jobs.
Then why do you want to live in the countries they have built?
You're right, it is the color. Our immigration policy gets us ONE color from ONE country from ONE culture from ONE social strata. We need more immigrants from more countries/cultures. And saying "whitepeopleareracistmaggots" actual makes you a racist, do you see the irony in that?
Well said zaxxonzz
The only real solution is to give the country back to the American Indians and deport all the rest.
Why stop there? Get rid of all the English from the British Isles since they didn't live there first.
Cut all US Foreign Aid. Ship all imimigrants back who don't want to learn english, who don't want to be americans, who are just here to make the same mess they left behind. And let them sort their own messes out back home... then they can visit as tourists. Enough these lame WH residents and Congress selling out America for votes and kickbacks from foreign govn't buds.
The US and Canada have different situations and different needs. Politically, I can see how difficult and complicated it is to implement a decent policy in view of massive illegal immigration from the south. Canada has much simpler border security issues, just the long one we share with the US while the US has two, with many more entry points, and oh yes, terrorism worries are less of a problem up here as well.
End the corrupt H-1b and L1 outsourcing visas.
If you don't want more foreign immigrants in your country, you have a right to tell your government that you don't want anymore of them.
Looks like your the one that needs the reality check, where is your supporting information (funny how you put 2 claims out there yourself with no support, yet you expect others to believe what you say with zero supporting information)
http://hothardware.com/News/Study-H1B-Visas-Lower-US-Programmer-Pay/
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2005_10_26/us/us_h1b_visa_holders_earn_less.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/are-americans-losing-high-skilled-jobs-to-foreigners/
http://works.bepress.com/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1000&context=jeffrey_gower
http://thejcrevelator2.hubpages.com/hub/HowH1BVisaFRAUDiskillingAmerica
There is NO American born citizen qualified to host the GPS program ?
No, I guess they're all bigots like you.
No. Fareed created GPS. Comprehend?
Zakaria,
Its very evident that most of us disagree with your comments, Please redo your program and I should ask Mr Tunrer to Fire you .. this is why I dont watch CNN... BIAS BIAS
Simon: I see a lot of nativism in your comments.
If you in fact meant to be nativist, I strongly disagree.
I agree with Simon, I felt the same when I watched his program tonight on CNN..
America has a national debt of approximately 14 trillion dollars. What can our country do to stop this spending? Statistics show that 338.3 billion dollars are spent on illegal immigrants in America annually. (3) This amount alone would be enough to stimulate the economy for the real citizens of this country. If we were to tighten border security, we would be able to cut down our debt. Therefore, to minimize national debt, America should tighten border security and thus stop spending money on welfare, Medicaid, and education for illegal immigrants.
Fedman
No disprespect, I am not Natural Born Citizen, and I can do much better job for sure. I might run for President who knows maybe i can get elected LOL.
Are you black, or a Republican ?
Then you must be an illegal alien, as every citizen knows the President has to be a Native Born American.
Mayor Bloomberg's idea of automatically granting a Green Card for individuals who complete their MS or PHD in STEM areas is a brilliant one . This will ensure that we don't lose the best that are educated in US universities. It will also eliminate exploitation of H1-Bs by outsourcing companies promising green cards. It will also reduce the red tape for corporate America in hiring a US educated person of foreign origin
Oh goody! Just what we need! Let's pay to educate them and then let them take jobs from Americans and their children.
Dont you think the American indians should have a say in this B S immigration laws.?
The Indians were here first, let them have first shot at the illegals.
nope
Dont you think the American indians should have a say in this B S immigration laws.?
Why ?
I dont have any say.
The current chaos in EU is a golden opportunity for US to attract the best and brightest from EU. They are more likely to assimilate into the American society.
As someone who tried to move to the US for over 5 years (and still trying) and considered any State but particularly Phoenix (husband was based there with the forces) and Florida I can tell you we are not welcome by the US immigration service. We do not qualify for the green card lottery and even though I got my teaching certification and the prison services wanted to hire my husband due to his skills they could not do so, The prison was federal so not allowed to sponsor, and the schools wanted me to have the green card first, but to get a green card, you need the job – catch 22. We finally escaped to Canada. Europe is no longer Europe; many countries are swamped with their own immigrant population. In many UK cities it can be hard at times to find a white face.
You tell me where two highly qualified and hard working Scots can find work in the US and I'll be on the first plane
Well Irene, first I'm a big fan of the British Isles. I'm sure Scotland is a beautiful place. I'd love to live in England, Ireland, or even Scotland. The U.S. sucks. There are no jobs here. Not in California anyway. I last worked in 2008 at a well-known tech company (as contract/temporary). Since then, I have not been able to find a long-term job. Because of my age (over 45), companies will not hire me. I applied at colleges, county government (several many within 5 hrs of where I live), plus city government. I've wanted to switch to the public sector (b/c more older people seem to be employed & discrimination is less). But no, can't seem to get a job. They are so picky. They want exact experience in that exact environment (so it seems to me). There is a totally unfair system of hiring. I have plenty of experience – computer experience, people skills, etc. But there's discrimination as to the unemployed or temporary employed. If I can't get a job, I don't know how anyone would be able to – unless they're already working in a similar industry or they know someone who can get them in – which I also do not find fair. Often times a person may have less education &/or experience than me, but if their friend or family member gets them in – & they're quickly trained to do the job. There's a totally unfair way of hiring in the U.S. & the government does not seem to want to address it or do anything about it.
Unemployment is higher in Ireland than California.
Fareed Zakaria is an Indian. The summary of his rant here as usual is to "Allow more Tech. trained, Indians, Phillipinos, Chinese" Workers and less of Latinos (non-skilled, non-tech. skills based) immigrants. US policy is heavily influenced by these so called, Media Experts like Fareed Zakaria, etc. who want to bring in more of their own countrymen, i.e. Indians into the US. We know they have a billion plus population, but is it American's and US's fault that Indians breed so fast and now US has to bring them here... Why are mostly Indians so much pushy, and want to change US's foreign and even domestic policies into their own "India's" favor. There loads of Indian Professors, Businessmen, Engineers already taking over American job in US. Do we need more of them. No more H1B Visa (Which is 90% used by Indians).
Just kill them all, Let God Sort Them Out !
judge_bill,
You are an idiot. Killing does not solve any problems. If you like killing so much, go and kill yourself first. Never talk non-sense like this, if you don't have anything better to say, then just Shut Up, you may look a little less stupid that way.
We are pushy because we are good at getting things done. Not whinge on CNN forums. Looks like you prefer the 10 millon illegal mexicans to the legal 40 K Indians who come here every year.
What exactly is wrong in bringing in skilled labor from India,China,Phiillipines etc. Don't you think it is crazy that the US has just 13 percent high skilled immigration while the rest is family reunification,asylum etc. We need more skilled labor to pay the freaking taxes.
I agree 100%. They should all go back and quit bringing all their relatives and friends over. They push to get into places where they can employ all their own kind. I was shocked to go into Dunkin Donuts in our train station the other day to find all the Mexican workers, who worked very hard I might add, had been replaced by Indians. No doubt who bought that franchise, is there????? And an Italian restaurant chain, though maintaining the name, is run by Indians. Ever taste Indian cooking Italian?????? YUKKKKKK!
Hmmmm....so if someone wants to work in a retail store, or a restaurant, or a receiving department in Canada, they're outta luck, huh? I mean, SURELY there's a market for office/retail workers and managers, cooks/wait staff, and shipping clerks in Canada, no? Sounds like they only want people who have certain KINDS of skills...and REAL skills, at that...as opposed to those who have other skills, but still would love to live in Canada.
Canada has high unemployment and many Canadians will gladly accept the jobs you listed, my family for one, but very few are on offer. Why should any country accept people who do not offer anything extra to what is already available. They want people who give to the economy and at present those 'skills' are not needed. You do not need special training for any of the jobs you listed except possibly the managers depending on the managerial job. Canada will give you lots when you come here, but you have to be able to gtive Canada something in return. If they opned up the doors to everyone who wanted in then there woudl be no room left. We can see this from the number who are rejected each year and how long the process takes – it took us 3 years and we have 2 Degrees, 2 PG and one PhD between both of us and 20+ years working expereince
Can't we just kill all the immigrants we want. Line them up and "Remember The Alamo".
We tried to give Texas back to Mexico.
They would not take it.
Now we are offering money.
They will take Texas, but we have to keep the "Texans".
No deal.
If deported, will Fareed start his own GPS show in India???
Let them come in, when food shortages start we can eat them!
Fareed Zakaria is unquestionablely my favorite journalist. Some times I cheer in a greement with him. While other times I scream at my computer screen reading his work. That said, I will be brief. I knew Pierre Trudeau and consider him to be the father of multiculturalism. Where America was a melting pot, Canada would try a different idea, inviting immigrants to bring their culture here and enrich us all with it. Mr. Zakaria is correct. Multiculturalism has been working just beautifully in Canada. Yet recently, we have been having tentions with our muslim community asking for special rights. I think a good question for you is: Does multiculturalism work with all cultures but not all religions?
When religion is a culture it will not work.
We do not change our laws to suit your religion.
Join ours or stay home.
I think this article is wrong in relation to the immigrants from the likes of Rumania and Poland. If you go to the UK you will find them on every street corner of the major cities, begging in packs. I even attended a lecture the other day with a Prof from Finland and he said they were swamped with the gypsies. The problem is they just sign on for benefits and move about regularly. I do not think anyone should move to a county (freely) if they do not know the language. If you have chosen to go there then fit in with that country, do not expect the government to spend what little resources they have to give you additional services. Different for those like refugees etc, who have to move in a rush etc. I object to those who say they do not get help to integrate or services in the language – why should they. There are always realtors etc who will help you find a house (rent or buy) and employment agencies to lead you down the employment path, and schools will gladly accept new students.
Cut all US Foreign Aid. Ship all imimigrants back who don't want to learn english, who don't want to be americans, who are just here to make the same mess they left behind.
The US can learn a lot from Canada. Maybe we should ask ourselves how they get it right so often and we bungle so much.
For every talented,hardworking and educated immigrant there hundreds of leechers.Most immigrants don't offer any special skills that can't be found in America.I don't know if it just me but most immigrants I talked to despise this country.America should definitively be more selective in immigrants.
Watched the show tonight. It was excellent. The green card with a Master's or PHD in Science or Math is an excellent idea. We should keep the "cream of the crop" that we educate in this country at our universities. Why would we educate them and then not allow them to stay here and start companies that give American's jobs?? Immigration policy should consider skill sets and education!!! I am amazed that we do not allow folks educated in needed fields in this country to stay. It's not like we have American students lining up to get these degrees. In a generation or 2 these folks will all be American's..;..
Completely agree with you. Going the other direction, is the worst idea US could make. STEM graduate programs are mostly foreign students. If they are not allowed to work in the US who works in the US? The few americans that were in those programs. It's not about talent or best qualified. Its if they are US citizens. Slowly the best and the brightest all end up in foreign companies, while the 3rd string ends up in ours. If this were to happen, I mean for a sports analogy, its the all star team (foreign) vs a team made up of players from minor leagues (US). Would not like to watch seasons of that sport.
Yes, I am more than happy to supply the green cards
My for profit diploma mill can give out all the green cards necessary. If you have the money that is.
I dont believe the immigration approach of Canada is also effective. They bring in more immigrants, mostly professionals with the hope of better life and job security and most of those that got teased with these hopes ended up with a life they cant imagine. Take an example of a medical doctor that immigrated to Canada on point basis because of his/her skills and then been told that s/he cant practice in Canada just because s/he dont have a "Canada experience". Most of these professional immigrants end up working as security staffs or janitors just to survive and the shame of not achieving their dreams abroad scared them away from going back home.
You have a valid point to misleading "some" that immigrate here, there is however due diligence many of these so called professionals do not feel the need for a proper interpreter during the process and simply are not misled but are lost in translation.
They have the equal amount of right to return to their country of origin should they not find it of their liking here.
Immigrant 1986
Fareed assumes that Americans can learn political lessons from elsewhere. How niave. Europe is in the throes of a deepening economic crisis due to austerity and a central authority with too little control and regulation. The lesson lost Americans are taking from this, courtesy of fox news and the morons on talk radio? That the US needs austerity and less centralized control of our economic system.
Europeans warned us about invading Iraq. American's response? Freedom Fries. Everywhere on earth has better health care for half the price. The lesson Americans take from that? Continue paying more and more for less and less and ignore everyone else.
Heck, a recent poll showed that 46% of Americans believe in CREATIONISM. If that is not a portending of doom for our soceity then nothing is. Not 4.6% but 46%. Almost half the population thinks a 2,500 year old creation story told as an allegory and intended to distinguish the Hebrews from the moon worshipers is a science textbook writen in literal terms in 2012. Americans think that schools are bad – except their own district which almost all correctly say does a good job. Their solution? Denigrate techers and try to cut money to education.
Works for the conservatives. they need the ignorant public described above in order to stand a chance at maintaining the plutocracy they desire.
Jefferson,
The plan is working and its on schedule.
America should open up its borders to allow MORE immigration, not less as the GOP fearmongers say. Population growth is better for all of us. And if we can lure in the best and the brightest from around the world, using the Canadian model, all the better. Open up the doors!
Guess what though, tom? All those people who come here to get Ph.Ds are going back to their own countries. They just abuse us letting them get an education here just to go back home to their own nation. The US is undergoing a "brain drain" as a result of all these people moving back to their own countries because 1/2 of all Ph.Ds are foreign born.
It is not true that all the foreigners who earn advanced degrees in the U.S. return to their home country. If they did, we would have maybe half as many PhDs as we do now. But is it fair to other countries if those who came here for an education stay here permanently? Other countries, especially the poorer ones, need educated and talented people to return and help improve their countries.
Tom, hate to differ. But that's a crazy statement. I don't know where we would house all these people + give them jobs (good jobs that is) – when even ordinary Americans can not find work. Unless your plan is to start building companies & corporations, etc plus housing in No. & So. Dakota, Wyoming, & Montana – I don't know where we'd place these mass number of immigrates you'd want to let in. The San Francisco Bay Area is not an option. Housing here is expensive enough -that the average person can not afford to buy NADA. We're living like sardines. Freeways are packed, parking is hard to find at shopping centers. I'm sure LA & New York & other major cities have similar problems (or will soon).
Check out this link: http://www.capsweb.org/
There's a Federal one as well, but I don't have the link handy.
I am an immigrant and have been here for 40 years. During my years, immigrants came here to work and study. Immigrants now come with crime and uneducated. There are a big differences. Americans welcome immigrants but when you create trouble like crimes, that is why they have enough and felt anti-immigrants. Although not all immigrants are bad but that is how people stereo-typed. Just the way it is.....like when terrorists attack Americans, the muslim trust just went out of the windows.
Our immigration policy, unfortunately, comes down to which political party can benefit from it, not what is best for our nation. Both political parties, but more recently the Democrats are guilty of selling ut the USA.
Nice shot.
Under President Obama, more illegals have been deported
than at any other time in our history.
Google is your friend.
Idiot.
No country has anything to teach the U.S. about immigration. The world needs to learn from the U.S. The U.S. is a country by immigrants for immigrants. Yes, there is always vociferous group that oppose it and it makes for good press but the reality there has never been any other country and there is still is no other country that is as welcoming of immigrants as the U.S. is. You more than anyone else should know this.
I think you should check your immigration policies. I agree that no one should teach America, about immigration, given our past. If you look at reality. I live it every day, it is a different story. Things have changed for the worse.
I think immigration policies have changed not so much to a purely anti-immigration sentiment but mostly due to a post 911 reality.
I am pleased to see a show that represents the real direction for which we are headed. There is always time to correct, our direction, if we want to stay at the forefront, we need to make a sharp turn, in the right direction. Remember economics and business are execution plays. If we want to stay ahead we must execute. In order to execute we need the right resources, and of course the right people. The US is successful because it has always known how to get the cream of the crop from else where, grow it and empower it. It seams like our legislators are so enamored by the immediate return and complacent jobs that the have now, they have forgotten how the county has gotten to where it has. It is through the hard work, sweat, and intellect that americans have showed in the past. We are not at the point of no return, but we are close. We need people and infrastructure, and without the right one on either side we will have none.
Excellent closing excellent ideas, for the show. I hope our legislators listen. Please remember, the second generation of immigrants will always be Americans.
It does not matter
about where We come from
the PROBLEM We had is that All of US is just fighting for one thing money the Devil
some of US could get pay a dime to kill one another We will do it
Most Immigrants that came to the US is for a Better Life
The main problem is that We Peolpe's We let our Kids do what they want and disrespect us as they want
I know couples year ago's Immigrants are the one that do most of the dirty job in this world
Some of the Country have Security problem that is the only thing that's HURTING THE WORLD US PEOPLES in EARTH are causing the PROBLEM
Look at Canada they do not have a president everything is Running SMOOTH as a BIRD
There is nothing about Immigrants most of US are just looking for Better for OURSELVES and THE KIDS FUTURE's.
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Colonizing is not immigrating nor assimilating. I see plenty that need to assimilate and practice their English skills which seem very poor at the WalMarts I visit and I stop these people with a question or two given in candor. Guess what?
How do these immigrants delivered get their papers according to the rules I have seen?
I know somebody who is here, in her 70's, on a green card. Her relative had to sign an Affidavit of Support for her to come here. She is still not a citizen but she is in subsidized housing (paying $25 of the $865 monthly rent), on food stamps, Medicaid and has a free cell phone with 250 free minutes a month. The Affidavit of Support means NOTHING. Our current government exists for one reason only – to screw the taxpayers. She will be a citizen soon. I have calculated the value of her "benefits" at just under $30,000 per year – she never worked a day in this country and never contributed a cent to this country. Where is the fairness? Will there ever be an advocate for the taxpayers?
yes, the U.S. government no doubt does dumb things – in allowing such things to happen. I have one for you... I know somebody who also is not a U.S. Citizen (& does not want to be). She works at a Jr. College & came here from a European country some 15 years ago. She got her 2-yr degree (don't know the major) and she makes around $45,000/yr. The thing is she had very little experience when she got her job. She was a student at first & got the degree. She was able to land the job back in 1999 or 2000 because of the 2% unemployment in area & I suppose she worked some at the school while working towards her degree. What is truly insane is that she has this cozy job in which she spends most of her time in meetings (rather than in the office assisting students), plus suffers from frequent headaches and calls in sick every week or every other week (& gets paid) – but she has no plans to become a citizen or stay in the U.S. Just wants to make the money & run back to her home country eventually. Don't know why people such as this are allowed to stay here when there are healthy & more honest Americans who can easily do the job & need to work.
American's don't have a problem with immigration. We have a problem with ILLEGAL immigration. There is a huge difference and the problem is, all these liberal policies are trying to lump it all in one basket. You want to come to this country, feel free. Go to the proper authorities and fill out the proper paperwork. Do it legally, and no one will bat an eyelash.
Well, you had me fooled considering that its so difficult to get residency in America even with the proper paperwork. You want to know why they don't file the proper paperwork? Because they would have to pour a tremendous amount of money into it for the slightest possibility that they might be able to work.
I agree 100%
*** liberal policies ..................
See Ronald Reagans amnesty bill.
You are blaming the wrong party.
Yeah lets take up isolation again! No immigrants need apply and lets focus on ONLY 'merica because that worked out so well during the early 1900s! It only contributed to two full blown world wars and millions of deaths! It makes so much sense!
Are you serious? Isolationism is something completely different than immigration policy. Also, you think the US was responsible for both world wars because we were a bit more wanting of other nations to sort out their own issues which they apparently proved they couldn't? Do you have any education whatsoever or are you just an ignorant fool?
The reason people migrate to Canada is because they think it is a stepping stone to get to the US.
CNN should be taken off the air. Fareed should be deported from the planet. He is not an American looks like a fakeer.
Lol u mad bro?
Fox wants you back.
They miss your rants.
Let's create an immigration policy based on xenophobic and nativism belief and allow only English speaking immigrants from wealthy nations, mainly Europe, to migrate into United States. Establish a strict quota systems and vise policy that makes it tough to visit to the United States. In addition, just forcible remove non-english speaking people, illegal immigrants and unfavorable people's out of the country. Continue the policy for 50 years and our society will want foreigners and immigrants to come to the United States because the majority are old and there is a dire labor shortage.
canadas illegal immigration is worse then the USA's, zakariah is nothing but a mud stirrer
Yes staple a green card to all masters degrees. I will open up a franchise of diploma mills and sell green cards. mmmm, mega profits
300 million is too many people already. Immigration should be ended completely.
1. Canada doesn't have border with Mexico. 2. A lot of immigrants to Canada see it as a stepping stone to migrate to the U.S. 3. More Canadian migrate to the U.S. than the other way around.
Our immigration is small potatoes compared to our government corruption and health care problems.
We could learn even more from Canada when it comes to health care, another facet where they are light years ahead of the U.S.
Government-managed, free, and state-of-the-art care that many Americans travel north for to avoid America's corporate red-tape, loopholes, and corruption......
BD
The Canadian health care system is a beneficiary of U.S. research. The U.S. pays for the research and Canada gets the knowledge and benefits without the cost of the research.
I agree. Healthcare is a disaster in this country. People act like oh it's better than all them other nations! Well, sadly....that's foolish to actually believe and is frankly ignorant. It's a joke in the civilized world. Sure, the quality might be decent, but the access and how it's run is a disgrace to us being the so called best nation on the planet. It's clearly not when it comes to medicine
Barack Obama was, in fact, a member of the socialist New Party in the 1990s and sought its endorsement for the Illinois senate–contrary to the misrepresentations of Obama’s presidential campaign in 2008, and in spite of the efforts of Politico’s Ben Smith to quash the story. Stanley Kurtz, author of Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism (2010), has released new “smoking gun” evidence at National Review Online. It is evidence that the mainstream media can no longer ignore–and Obama can no longer deny.
BS
I finded da burf catificat.
You send me ten dolla its yurs, okey ?
When the story of Obama’s association with the New Party first broke in 2008, Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt claimed that Obama had never been a member. The Obama campaign took up the issue at its “Fight the Smears” website, smearing Kurtz and willfully distorting the truth about Barack Obama’s radical past.
Now, through careful archival research, Kurtz has proven his case–and proven once again that there are many people on the left who have been willing to misrepresent and obscure facts about Barack Obama, as well as many in the mainstream media who have acted as Obama’s accomplices rather than searching for the truth.
The story is about Immigration.
Go back to fox..................moron.
The immigration issue is HIGHLY complex. First off, there's Mexican illegals. they are more so the unwanteds. They are the ones who are degrading this country as most are not educated and are just making property values lower, bring a lot of crime, and are unfortunately just not welcome. Don't drag racism into it. My fiancee is a legal 2nd generation Mexican American as her mother immigrated here from a wealthy family just to do something different and it's turned out great for her. The other issue is people who come here from other nations simply for an education...many of which are Ph.D graduates. The issue with THEM is that many of them are going back to their home nations so we are educating them and they are no longer staying here which is creating a brain shortage in the nation. Over 1/2 of all Ph.Ds in this country are foreign born, but that is shrinking, but not in a good way. Domestically, we aren't cranking out enough intelligent people. So to say we need to close the borders off completely is foolish and to also say welcome everyone is also foolish. I honestly don't know what to do right now. I for one though at least want to solve the Mexican problem. That is the biggest issue in immigration right now. Mexican illegals are NOT a plus to this country so don't act like they are. If they pass through LEGAL immigration then they are surely a benefit as one should not be a chimpanzee and be able to become a US citizen. We have enough ignorant children posing as adults already. We need people to help better this nation. INTELLIGENT people.
You have no clue what it's like to starve. I do hope all mexicans return Mexico for the better of Mexico... I am Mexican American, educated. Make 6 figure salary and makes me sick to think majority of Americans are unappreciated to what they have. Trust me when I say. I would rather be in Mexico. This isnt a US presidents problem its ameircans who like cheap labor and congress who get paid too well to side with farm owners. Keep buying mexicos cocaine ha! And you will see today's problem will be nothing compared to what will happen in 70 years. Karma to those who have taken land by killing.
I am a u.s. citizen in mexico on 6 month tourist visa. I am banned from working in any blue collar trades or they will throw me in jail. I am not allowed to buy or sell even used products or they can throw me in jail. The mexican navy boards my boat with machine guns and ski masks and I show all my immigration paperwork. (they are very friendly and proffesional.) Back in the u.s. , I was a low voltage electrician. Most all the jobsites I worked in california , I was often the only non mexican of all the trades in a house working. Interestingly, gun laws are very strict here. Unless I belong to an expensive hunting club, I would be thrown in jail for 5 years for even posession of one bullet. I respect and follow their laws and customs. I speak conversational spanish and engage in their community. It is very safe here , and one of the most friendly countries I've visited in the world. My point is that we are being too politically correct and kidding ourselves if we think unlimited immigration can be casually enforced and unchecked. It would be not unlike throwing a party at your house and having 2000 people show up. Think about it.
If you don't like America, simply stay away; immigrate somewhere else; China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, the EU, the manycountries of Africa, take your pick.
Don't be ridiculous, I need those outsourcing visas to ship jobs overseas.
that's called 'emigrate' when you leave.
I agree with him. Canada's is a smart policy. I am tired of seeing grandpas and grandmas who are reunified with their children to come here to bankrupt our social security and health care system. I also see that some lousy old Americans who fall in love with poor health foreign women, then the federal government has to pay for such a wasting expense when their spouses come to US. Ask those people to sign the contract with US government that they have to support their relative for life (with their untouchable assets that are only used for their commitment) without receiving any financial support from US government.
1. Illegal is illegal
2. Illegal is a crime
3. Crimes = Criminal
4. Criminals = Undesirable
5. Undesirable = NO Immigration.
6. Send them back
7. legal immigration = legal
8. legal means welcome and follow the laws as a good citizen does.
Why would the U.S. look for Europe for answers. They have mosques popping up all over the place and now have to deal with Sharia Law.
The immigration problems are as much a fear vs. popular contest in all of these countries. For multicultureisms to be reject by the prime ministers shows they are pandering to the fearful. Also those prime ministrers have had to deal with major civil unrest. The riots of Paris and London are the remnants of prior immigration policy that failed to allow the childern of residents to become citzens of the country where they were born and assimilated the culture.
The USA has a popularity contest at each election. Sometimes it is valid and other times not. Look to the small shop and business owners who themselves are legal but, they employ illegals for their competive edge. Some of them are immigrants themselves. They understand the street value of supply and demand in the dialy cash labor market. That is also what some of the other counties have realized and applied as smarter policy; rather than fear.
I think some people are plain stupid here. How many poeple want to emigrate to China or Russia? In te last 50 years American went to war to protect the Minroirties mostly Muslims, and what we get nothing, the left Media such as CBS and other just loves to Slam us, not to mention some members of congress should be tried for Treason.
Again, I dont have CNN as a TV station as i find it bias, and by the way Canadians do benefit form our research programs, but now that American is borke no Country want to deal with us.
Just pray to GOD that we oversome this tornado and move ahead in November, as once we get rid of OBAMACARE the country will start creating jobs and pay our debt.
Simon Idiot.
Romneycare is good for Massachussetts,
but Obamacare is bad for the nation.
They are the same thing.
You think as soon as "Republicans" get rid of Obamacare,
suddenly millions of jobs will just "pop" up ?
I D I O T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a huge difference between Legal immigration and illegal aliens.The difference America and Americans have always welcomed immigrants with opened arms. What we don't welcome, respect or accept are those who enter America illegally and unlawfully. It insulting to compare legal immigrants who are good for our country with illegal aliens who only have their own best interest. Most illegal aliens send their money back to their country of origin and use services not intended for them. There is no need for illegals if we invested into our citizens and paid them livable wages.
Immigration policy is the easiest to handle, just control it. Declare one national language. No community based schools. In schools you study one culture and one tradiation. Rest all is history for you.
After all who so ever migrates to other country probably didn't like something in their own country so accept the culture, laws and language of the host country.
if you would like to migrate to america,don't do it.country is nice,but people are garbage.americans are nazis.every last ignorant peasant will treat you like trash.americans are lazy,ignorant,poorly informed,believe propaganda,expect you to be obedient and consider their birth certificate to be sufficient in their claim for supremacy.in short,americans are cross between aligators,pigs and gestapo.
YET AGAIN..........this article from Mr. Zakaria is all about opening the doors for greater Muslim immigration into the west, and making Islam THE religion of the west.
Being a true Islamic soldier, Mr. Zakaria ONLY sees everything good about Islamic influence in the west castigating European leaders for calling Multi-cultralism (meaning Muslim integration) a failure, and terming nationalist Europeans who are trying to preserve European values as extremists.
Contrary to what Mr. Zakaria says Muslim Diaspora in the west are not seen as an asset in most of the west but as a liability given their low level of achievements, their inability to adapt even after generations, and their ever increasing demands at the cost of not only the largely Christian majority but as well as the other non-Muslim minorities.
Rest of my comments including references to augment my assertions are being censored!
Off course it would be, goes to show you if we don't stand up for what we believe, we will no longer be the USA .....
Much more than Fareed's love for muslims, I can sense a more Hindi hatred towards muslims in your post. Go back to India and work for RSS!
hi, ms/mr. amit, yours is a great post, and i see it exactly as you do on author's intent. over the years since 9/11 i have learned that no muslim guy ever makes a case for saudi arabia to be liberal with non-muslims like this author wants us to be welcoming to muslims. saudis are the flag bearer of islam, and they don't allow a single church in their contry. it is bothersome that these muslim immigrants must give up their tiresome country and come here and conitnue in the vein neverhteles, and mulitply within like crazy to put our country at risk. no, thank you. canada can open its doors to the crazies if it wants, we better not.
Oh so what have your people done? 250 million + of your people live in filth, and what are their achievements besides eating rats?
Fareed, please stop being misleading with statistics, and stop bashing the US like you always do.
On one hand, both US and Canada are 99% immigrants or descendants of immigrants.
Canada has a population of 34 million, the US a population of 313 million. So, if the US has foreign born population of 13%, that is 40.7 million people, MORE than the ENTIRE POPULATION of Canada. Canada's 20% foreign born is only 6 million, half the ILLEGAL imigrants currently in the US.
I argue that only difference in the percentage is due to the sheer size of the population differences. There are diminishing returns in trying to accommodate that many people immigrating.
Michael, excellent post.
The only real reason that born, not naturalized, American citizen are against mexican immigration is that some of the terrorist of 9-11 were able to use a Mexican to get fake ID's. All actions that leaded upto 9-11 were wrong on all counts. It doesn't matter who they were or where they came from.
So be mad at Mexican immigration. But also be mad at immigration from Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Lebanon and Egypt. Those are the countries where the hijackers came from.
Nut Case.
we need to follow Singapore's immigration policy that only opens immigration for smart, rich and people who are beneficial for Singapore. America tries to welcome everybody which is not possible anymore and we base also the humanity factor in our immigration policy. Since many immigrants in America are coming from poor countries, they are not paying taxes due to their very low income, but they need still health care, education and welfare. We cannot continue to become Santa Claus of the world, and the current immigration system it is not fair for the American people. About learning the Spanish language – I agree – since in future – the most important languages are only 3: English, Chinese and Spanish. Other languages become obsolete!
Some of the comments are being censored so I am hitting the Sack, If CNN wants to be a new leader which i doubt it is anymore please stop being bias and do your findings before you post some Stupid show like this.
We have enough problems, Illegal immigration of some floks came 20 years ago is still ILLEGAL no matter how one sees it.
Fear is the predominant moving force in this discussion and is the predominant driving force of the herding instinct. The closer you can manuever yourself toward the center of the herd, the better protection you have from being picked off and eaten by those you fear than when you are at the outer edges of the herd. You communicate your fear to others as a means of calculating how close you are to the center of the herd. You also do it to recruit as many people as you can to surround you from the risks of finding yourself at the outer edges of the herd where you will be eaten.
Tribalism is the end result of your fear mongering. Tribes are dependent upon thugs who promise you the security which you demand. Reason plays no role. Fear predominates. Tribalism is contrary to the founding principles of this country. It is contrary to the message of our most scacred moral and ethical text, the Bible, Jesus' teaching. The United States of America is continuing to evolve toward more justice for all.
My grandparents came to this country to escape the tribalism which resulted in pograms and genocide in Europe. You who preach fear, you have many options. Many countries with philophosies similar to yours are competing for your support, North Korea, China, Syria, and many third world countries too numerous to list. You can move to the center of those herds and there find protection from being eaten by the United States Marine Corps when the fear you preach culminates in the inevitable insanity which is the end result of your fear. The Marines wil not be there to repress anyone. They will be there to remove the fear and free the minds and bodies of men longing to be free.
There are two of us that shows that our comments are being censored.
Good night everyone!!
we have lots of immigration in canada i see them everywhere working in coffee shops,fast food rest,meatpacking industry,grocery stores at the ,gas bars those all seem like highly educated jobs or maybe its just the tax breaks business that makes it appealing
Most Americans are descendents of immigrants. Immigrants who came here to better themselves AND become Americans. Today it seems they want to be Foreigners living in America instead . That is why we distrust them,they do not want to be like us,and would have us change to accommodate them.
I watched this program today, what a load of junk
Wait, I thought the major issue was with Illegal immigration not legal immigration.
I have a problem with people not taking the proper steps to becoming a citizen, yet reaping the benefits of citizenship minus the burdens.
You want to live here, that's great, but do it the right way. That's how my grandparents came to America. They came over on a boat from Germany. They had to learn English, have a sponsor, and have jobs. They were really successful for them selves and I owe a lot of my current ease of life to them.
Do I think that our Immigration could use some reform? Sure, we can ease things a bit but still make achieving citizenship a hard to reach goal.
Why? Well because it will separate those who really want to be Americans from those who really don't. It should be an accomplishment to achieve citizenship. It should not be given out on a silver platter to who ever comes knocking.
What this article fails to mention is the fact that foreign born does not include all the anchor babies born every year in America, so immigration statistics should be higher. Another problem this article fails to mention is the extreme problems the UK, Netherlands, and France are having with integrating emigrants. As far as I am concerned we need to take care of our population first before we let anyone else into American society.
yes, yes, absolutely. We have plenty of educated, healthy, older Americans (45+) who would just love these jobs that CNN says Americans can't do (lack skills) or won't do. All the government needs to do is further educate/train people in whatever good paying jobs are in demand and raise wages in lower skilled jobs. Problem solved.
wrong zakaria, When Canada and Austrailias populations become as large as the United States and some European countrys such as France, they too will experience the economical and social drawbacks of too much diversity, especially when it starts costing them. Come on Fareed, at least be honest. You are as bad as the hispanics that use every angle and excuse for unchecked, unfettered, unbridled, illegal immigration.
ILLEGALS ARE THE PROBLEM.....If your legal Americans are ok with it.
Look up "H1-B" in this comments section, and you'll find that's not true. People don't want the legal immigrants, either. That's because they think they're taking "their" jobs, which is laughable.
These jobs do not belong to anyone except the employer. Just because you were born here does not give you a birthright to study whatever you want (or not study), then demand a high-paying job wherever you want to live for the rest of your life.
If the ones with the jobs (Microsoft, Google, etc.) want to hire LEGAL foreigners, then it is exactly socialism to tell them that they can't. It is exactly mob rule via the democratic process to interfere with a business's operation. If that's what you want, then fine. But be honest - you want the government to give you something.
Meanwhile, these legal immigrants leave their families behind and come with a smile on their faces to work for crap wages and the fading promise of a green card among a population that hates them. If you were born here and you don't have a job, stop grumbling about having to compete and do like they do. Study what they study. Take a pay cut. Or, move your family to China or India. If you're American-educated, your skills should be in hot demand over there. I've seen Americans living in India working for IBM and Cisco. It has been done. It is possible.
If you get what you want - more government intervention, then employers will simply move operations overseas. It won't be that hard. They already have one foot over there. The end result of asking the government for jobs is that we'll have nothing but government jobs. It'll be like living in the DMV. Or Greece.
Sorry oodoodanoo… your post does not make too much sense.
“These jobs do not belong to anyone except the employer”. The employer has the jobs to offer to applicants applying for the position – which would therefore make it that person’s job once obtained.
“Just because you were born here does not give you a birthright to study whatever you want (or not study), then demand a high-paying job wherever you want to live for the rest of your life”
We do have the freedom to study whatever we want as a profession (once we decide on a major). One can choose not to go onto college as well – & just work in a dept store or a restaurant if they wish too. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Not all of us can get a high-paying job or choose where (what city) to live. But I guess if someone graduates from Harvard, Stanford, or other Ivy league school, it may make life a little easier as to working where one wants & getting higher pay.
“If … (Microsoft, Google, etc.) want to hire LEGAL foreigners, then it is exactly socialism to tell them that they can't”
Come on oodoodanoo… be real. Just because an American wants to work for Microsoft or Google and a legal foreigner is being considered – does not make it socialism. Sure we can not tell an employer who to hire – whether it’s at Google or at McDonalds. But you have to understand that we as Americans have spent our entire lives here, with parents (& perhaps grandparents) that have paid taxes. These taxes have been used to educate us at public schools, colleges, universities. We feel we can do the job as well as a legal foreign worker. Our only concern is if the employer is perhaps choosing the foreign worker (rather than an American worker) to make a profit & thus pay less in salary. You know that hurts the foreign worker as well – because you/he would be paid more if there wasn’t so many people completing for that one job.
“you want the government to give you something”
We want the government to give us what? You’re talking nonsense. In fact, IF us Americans have good paying jobs – we don’t have to depend on the government to give us unemployment benefits, food stamps, welfare checks – nothing.
“Meanwhile, these legal immigrants leave their families behind… come with a smile… to work for crap wages & fading promise of a green card among a population that hates them”
Well oodoodanoo… sorry about the fading promise of a green card. Americans too have had it rough with the fading promise of the American dream (buying a home, having a newer car, being able to afford a nice vacation, & so on). That is the way things are when there are too many people and not enough jobs. Wages go down! People are valued less in the workplace. Well, all I can say is you try, you come, & it does not always work out the way you want it
“If you were born here and you don't have a job, stop grumbling about having to compete and do like they do. Study what they study. Take a pay cut.”
FYI: A lot of Americans (over age 40) who have been laid off or wanted to change careers have gone back to school. I can name several people I know. There’s usually no choice but to take a pay cut if one wants to work again. Volunteer work is also an option (zero pay) to gain skill. I think you have a misconception about us Americans.
“If you get what you want – more government intervention, then employers will simply move operations overseas… The end result… we'll have nothing but government jobs”
There you go again. I don’t know what you’re talking about (?). The government can give incentives to the companies to keep the jobs here & hire American workers. But it sounds to me that you want companies (employers) to hire H-1B visa workers & later give them green cards. Well, I’d see the benefit in that to the worker and the company – for you’d make the crappy wages & the company would make the bigger profit. Then when you finally get your green card, any future job – you’d be competing with us citizens & the H-1B visa holders. And guess who’d get the job? The cheaper worker of course. I suggest you really think things out next time before posting.
There are different forms of socialism.
The kind practiced here in America (along with Capitalism)
works like this.
You pay taxes, they are collected and used to build schools, fire house, police dept,
roads ect.
It works for the "collective" good.
So many people dont seem to understand this.
I have seen President Obama being called a socialist, over and over,
and yet, he has done nothing different than Bush.
Nobody called Bush a socialist.
Most of the name calling comes from weak minded Republican supporters
who believe everything they are told.
Now these uneducated morons are yelping thier garbage on CNN,
because Fox has shut down the comments.
CNN should change its policy, you should have to logon with your own name
so people are held accountable for what they post.
The "drive by shootings" as i call them
are just trolls and turds. The dont want discussion, they get a kick out of
attacking and name calling, and keep changing thier names.
Too bad the "report abuse" button is missing.
test
@concerned
I would have responded to you earlier, but I just got back from my job
The employer absolutely owns the job. Try goofing off at work, and when your boss comes to fire you, tell him, "Sorry, I own this job. Better luck next time." See how well that goes over with him or the cops. You don't own the job. You earn each paycheck. That money's yours. That's it.
The idea that a worker "owns" his job or even has a "right" to a job is an idea that failed in the 20th century. If American voters try to shove that idea down companies' throats, they'll never hire anyone for fear that they can't fire them. Think that's hyperbole? Try the socialist economies in Europe or India.
Immigrants, you mean folks like my great grandparents who applied for immigration visas, got them, and came to the U.S., got jobs (skilled stonemasons / farmers), paid taxes, and took citizenship classes before becoming US citizens? Those immigrants?
The one's that wore the American uniform in the last 5 wars we've been in, sacrificed more than a couple of lives in those wars, and proudly fly the American flag every chance they get?
I'm just making sure some folks are on the right page as to what an "immigrant" is; someone who gives their undying allegiance to the country that welcomes them, and works hard to repay that welcome and integrate into their new-found society.
Or are we talking folks that just wander in uninvited, take jobs from folks who DO want them, not paying taxes on those wages, and oh yeah, sucking the life out of our medical and social welfare programs, then have the gall to waive the Mexican flag on our streets. Those would be called "illegal aliens", no matter how often CNN bleats otherwise.
Go home, apply to become a US citizen just like all the folks that have to come by plane or boat to get here do. Take your guns, your drugs, and your pseudo-Mexican national pride (it isn't real pride, otherwise you wouldn't be here) with you, we don't need your help making a mess of things here, we can do just fine by ourselves.
Sincerely,
An AMERICAN
Yes !
VERY well said! Most of us have come from immigrants, and they all did the right thing. A friend told me about working at a factory and was told by an Asian that his 7 years were up and would have to start to pay taxes from his pay check so he quit his job. Yup, good times! NONE of our politicians will ever do a dam thing about immigration, it's too important of a hot button to get votes. And that's it!
My sentiments exactly. Very well said.
Oh Yeah Fareed Zacharia you FN muslim, stick your lessons up your AZZ
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What an unbelievable pile of crap! Canada has roaming Chinese and South Asian gangs in every big city, with many of them making it very clear to Canada that their loyalties lie elsewhere. Balkanization is worse in Canada than in the U.S. Crime in cities like Vancouver, Montreal, and Toronto are almost all minority-caused. Canada's immigration policy has been a lot like the U.S.' but they haven't had to take in millions of south of the borders. A failure.
I am a teacher within a year or two of retirement. I have a master's degree + 107 credits. I am certified in several major areas and Advance Placement trained in English Language and Composition (Rhetoric). How do I emmigrate to Canada?
We have a process for immigration that has worked
exceptionally well for a long long time.
It has nothing to do with
"Making Illegal immigration work".
You cannot compare minorities to how majority acts. In their 56 Islamic majority countries Muslims have wipped out 90% of minorities over the past century. Why would I bring to this countyry a group that teaches Islam and openly wants to eliminate everything else? The answer is I would not unless I am ignorant and naive.
Instead of relying on immigrants to fill engineering, science, math and other professions we need why not give grants or interest free loans to American students.in these fields. Why give the same student grant/loan to any student regardless of the degree???
Funny they did not talk about China and India. China and India has zero immigration policy and they are going to be the new Super powers. Any country that has a strong muslim population is soon to be doomed. China will be a power becasue they are ruthless with thier muslim population and so is India.
Funny they did not talk about China and India. China and India has zero immigration policy and they are going to be the new Super powers. Any country that has a strong muslim population is soon to be doomed. China will be a power becasue they are ruthless with thier muslim population and so is India.
Also its funny how they did not talk about how the Europeans govt are taking lessons from teh US on how to better integrate thier muslim population.
Hell with multiculture, and yea to melting pots.
Sorry I came to America as we are Christians, I respect other Religions but I dont want to even think about Sharia law. when I worked in the Middle East i had to respect thier culture I aspect the same when you come here to my country.
I came here legally and love this country so i say to others if you dont like our way, hop on the plane and return to where you left from.
Lowering the population is the best policy even though it will lead to a couple of generations of an aged population and a sluggish economy before things pick up. We just can't keep growing. Indeed there are already too many of us.
You didn't talk about Canada's Quebec Province. Quebec is allowed to set it own immigration policy. The policies for immigration favors French speakers and those willing to integrate into Quebec society. Many immigrants from French speaking North Africa have immigrated to Quebec. Because of this there is a Jihad Watch in Quebec since these new immigrants are Muslims. You also forgot to mention that Chinese immigrants who have a million dollars can immigrate to Canada. How does one become a millionaire in a Communist country ? In a communist country, all means of production are owned by the State ! The second question is, why is China allowing these people to leave ? I didn't know China had an open immigration policy.
You didn't fully report on the growing concern in Britain about immigration and their growing Muslim population. You glanced over Muslim terrorism in Britain and Muslim calls for Sharia Law in Britain .
please get your facts straight. China isn't communist any more.
We need to do more with the human potential of U.S. citizens. Companies would hire smart citizens with a good work ethic and provide any required on-the-job training. Work got done by people with diverse backgrounds. Lots of people grew into more advanced roles in fields like telecommunications and IT. People pursued and obtained the certifications their employers wanted. This built a solid middle class in a vibrant information / service economy. Now, companies hire replacement Americans from abroad. This has kicked the chair out from under the middle class. This is why our country is failing.
Fareed Zakaria needs a lesson in STFU.
Smart immigration policies are beneficial to the nation. But even Canada and Australia's policies could be significantly improved. The main problem with an immigrant population is that they do not assimilate. Also, apparent labor shortages are not real. There is plenty of labor, but it is not being used efficiently or effectively.
Censorship is evil.
LABOR ISSUES is a reason to allow immigrants in? Look how many immigrants are on welfare, and HAVE been for years.
Legal immigrants are considerably LESS likely to use welfare then U.S. born citizens. Asia immigrants, for example, actually average a higher salary and pay more taxes then the average American. Illegals do use many different programs and have a high cost, but they do not qualify for welfare.
The majority of americas have no interest in keeping foreigners out.
This is another attempt at muddying the issue.
No one wants to most of us just don't want to watch our economy capsize, by having tens of millions of people running around the country, using the services that tax paying americans are paying for, but not paying a dime of income tax.
The 2nd sentence got jumbled....while posting...
Should read:
Most of us just don't want........
Once again a ridiculously biased article that spins half-truths and ignores facts to prove a point and force an agenda. American's are generous people. We have never said no to immigration. What we are saying today is NO TO ILLEGAL, uncontrolled, unassimilated immigration. A HUGE DIFFERENCE! If FZ actually cared to write a fair piece on the subject, then he needs to be fair to BOTH sides. But because he wants only one thing (open borders), he paints the other side as bigots. He loses any credibility when he does this. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS BAD! No matter how you want to spin the facts, uncontrolled borders are a danger to ANY sovereign nation. Controlled immigration is good. Let's be honest for once about the real debate, and then maybe we can discuss the issue and come to an understanding and compromise. Until then, we have nothing to discuss and no amnesty to give.
Though the press tries to ball them together like the article above, there is a vast difference in legal and illegal immigrants. Most people have a problem with the latter, and not the former. Writing above, that the public in general is "anti-immigrant" is misleading. Most people just want illegals to play by the rules that others must obey.
Lesson learned from immigrants.
Number one reason why immigrants to US are successful than their American counter parts is THE FAMILY. They have strong family values which makes them feel secure, allows them to take risks, they have someone to go back to. Our broken families are the reason why we have a huge mess. A single mom is expected to work, be a dad, and be a good mom at home. If she has a support of someone else (like her husband), she can share some of her burdens. These moms are going through depressions. Come on people. Women, don't give in to these losers who are afraid to say "I DO". You deserve much more than that.
Mexicans are going back to home, so USA has trouble finding to do those filthy jobs. Now bring those foreigners.
I would like to see two things happen with regards to illegal aliens coming across our southern border:
1) A Presidential Finding that illigal immigration presents a clear and present danger to the United States.
2) A suspension of of Posse Commitatus allowing the US military to be deployed along that southern border to interdict, detain, and deport any illegal border-crossers.
If there are a few incidents where those trying to enter illegally are shot, so be it. Enter legally, or stay out. If you can't qualify to get in legally, then we don't want you.
It would be nice to get a reinterpretation of the first part of the 14th Amendment that granted jus solis citizenship to those children born to parents who are in the country legally (the way it was supposed to be read), rather than the "achor baby" interpretation it was given, but I'm not gonna count on that.
If you actually went after the businesses that hire illegals, which now occurs only rarely, you could put a string on the border, since there will be no jobs. In 2010, only something like 200 businesses were fined. That is ridiculous.
Let me tell you about the Canadian immigration thing, if the United States allow the Canadians to come to USA and live and work and let go of the Canada nationality, trust me 90% of the immigrants will do it in a heart beat.
Thats because Canada is a racist country to the core, where if you are an immigrant can work as a taxi driver, a security guard or a janitor but to get a job in the office is almost twice difficult in comparability to a white Canadian.
This I am talking about an person who has the required skills better than a white Canadian, dont believe me go and ask the security guards and the cab drivers. In Canada they are very proud of the people having a PhD and driving a cab, in reality these stupid Canadians should drown themselves because they are loosing on the precious human resources because they are trying to hold on to the racist policies. East or West United States is the best and that's it.
"loosing" lol
It is deceptive to quote statistics for the entire US, when many areas of the US have a very high percentage of foreign born. California has about the same population size as Canada yet has a greater percent of foreign born than Canada. 27% of California is foreign born and 20% of Canada is foreign born.
I wouldn't expect an immigrant like Fareed to be anything but pro immigration. It can only be a "win win".
The many costs of immigration to the native population of the receiving country are deliberately ignored, of course.:P
This alledged news story is full of misinformation and is an open border puff piece. Item: 80% of illegals have been in the US for over 7 years (How do you know, they don't register. Asked one, of course they said 7 years when it was really 7 months). Item: 15% of illegals are from Mexico (Pew reports 60%. Not included are all countries of Central and South America). How is it that an alledged newcaster can get on the airwaves and spew a pack of lies.
American companies and American citizens take jobs in foreign countries and/or make profits (sometimes out of labor exploitation), sending all money back to the US. American business leaders and politicians are the first to criticize any country imposing restrictions to American companies/citizens. This is about reciprocity too.
"Immigrants founded America hundreds of years ago, coming to the promised land in search of freedom and opportunity, in pursuit of the American dream."
I love this saying, how immigrants FOUNDED America. Can't find something that's been here all the while already FOUNDED by it's own people.....what comes around goes around and this is our time to deal with what our ancestors did!
Fareed Zakria always spin his comments hiding hard facts that is disadvantages to his political and favoured ethnic groups. He tries to show he knows it all and is an authority to comment on these things. One must be very careful to take his openion.
NOTHING will be done about immigration. EVER. It's a hot button topic that all politicians will continue to use to get votes.
Wow this forum clearly shows closet racism. The feelings reflected here has nothing to do with immigration. It is just closet racism getting exposed on steroids.
There are two forms of immigration. Legal and illegal. The illegal issue is a no brainer. It has to be dealt with ruthlessly. Sorry but this is the only way.But the real worry is for legal immigrants because ppl here are pushing for laws that would make what is legal today illegal.
What can the U.S. learn from Europe's MISTAKES?! Don't allow foreigners into your country, and not expect them to comply with your countries language, customs, and laws. They will simply attempt to take your socialism, and then breed you out of your country, and take it over from within.....without even firing a single shot. Something this moron Fareed Zakaria relishes dearly.
The USA is taking it up the wrong pipe and isnt even getting a kiss first.
I think a country like US should be vigilant and strict with their Immigration policies after they have faced a tragedy like 9-11. I myself want to study and settle in USA but I will be more happy if I get a visa on the basis of my talent.
P.A ~ India
I was originally an immigrant to Canada, now living in the US. The author praises the Canadian system, but he definitely doesn't know the real deal. Most of the so called high skilled immigrants in Canada never find those high skilled jobs (engineers, professors, doctors). When they arrive to Canada they are faced with harsh reality, they are not needed and nobody is going to hire them just because canadian government thinks the country needs them. While I praise the skilled migration program of Canada, I believe high skilled labor is valued more in the United States, and there are more opportunities here. In fact many immigrants only come to Canada with a hope of migrating south eventually. But, I still think the US should have a skilled worker migration program which is point based (age, education, experience, language proficiency).
Yes you are so correct about Canada. This shows how much FZ knows about what he is writing here. No matter who sas what, one must see where the truth lies.
US has a skilled immigratin program , called H1B. The good thing, you can only get H1B visa if there is a job lines up for you. The bad thing is that even though there is alot of lip service about "we support LEGAL immigration", it is not truly the case. The immigrants, even the skilled ones are seen as "taking good paying jobs from americans". They are a convinient scape goat. There is a constant din to cut H1B quotas and they have been, Then to progress from H1B to green gard process is a thing from Kafka's books, sensless and ridiculous process. All in all, if I had to do it agin, I would pick Canada vs. US. I feel unwelcome in the US as an immigrant (now naturalized citizen) and my views are closer to the mix of socialism and capitalism that Canada practices vs. US shark eats shark capitalism approach.
Implement the fair tax and I wont care where you are from
Importing poor immigrants for family reunion is a bad policy practiced only by the United States. Giving amnesty and then allowing those newly minted citizens to sponsor another 30 million family members is a recipe for turning america into a middle income country.
Educating and providing medical care for the extra 50-75 million immigrants will cost untold trillions of dollars. We need to strike a balance between being generous and being practical. Shouldn't we be generous to the current US citizens as well?
In the Unitied States, it is not anti immigration but rather illegal immigration that have Americans upset. We claim to be a nation of laws unless you are illegal or liberal.
Why do we have immigrants here? Let me ask you this. Why do we have our troops in other countries and all over the world. Shouldnt all of them be defending our borders? Why did we fight so many wars since ww2? If you have no problems with that, then stop whining about immigration. You send troops into other countries without a authroization and then dont expect the same treatment? Afghanistan was one valid issue, but Iraq, Libya, Veitnam and south american coutnries in the 80s? Dont give me that mumbo jumbo about freedom and democracy. I am not buying this BUSH Chenney crp anymore.
Name one country that we were not asked or inivited to help out! The more you type the easier it is to see your uninformed mind.
Hey..take a long hard look at Europe and lern from them. If you want your way of life and style of living to be in Jeopardy keep things as is. It is best that all those who immigrate follow all rules and regulations of the country that adopts them.
lern from them ?
You gots sum lernin to do.
Mirza YOU ARE AN IDIOT !
Go back to IRAN
if you come to Canada we will track you down and feed you to the polar bears- albeit you are so full of IT they will likely throw up
Dont hurt the polar bears.
Maybe she gets trampled by a herd of elk ?
Fareed Zakaria – I disagree with your premise. Immigration is not a divisive political issue this year and working in a major metro area, I know of no one who is against immigration. The more the merrier I say. What people are against are illegal aliens. Not only are they breaking the law, but employers will hire them at a third of the pay of citizens, thereby taking jobs. Would I would like to know Fareed is how other countries handle illegal aliens. In places like Mexico's southern border I believe they shoot them.
Fareed Zakaria writes typical tripe.He quotes a few people that support his rediculus concepts and tries to create problems where there are none.LEGAL Immigration in the USA works and always has.ILLEGAL imigration does not work because it is illegal and people are breaking the law.No rights of any kind for the illegal aliens and no rights to their illegal children who are born here during the commision of crime of illegal entry.
From the article: "Today, many Americans see immigrants as a danger to that dream." WRONG. It's ILLEGAL immigrants that many Americans see as the danger to that dream. This is the way Libs try to avoid the real issue. Oh the poor immigrants. Oh our country was founded by immigrants. Oh, we're really all immigrants aren't we? Can't we all just get along? Si? The problem is condoning a crime, under the guise of compassion, that is doing irreparable damage to our nation. Libs just can't seem to grasp that fact.
Yes- it does seem that the media and such keep twisting words and missing the point. We have issues with the ILLEGAL immigrants- not LEGAL immigrants or refugees.
The cultural aspect of assimilation is beginning to fail in the U.S. Fewer and fewer recent immigrants are learning English, people are forming their own sub-communities by language, and the last three decennial censuses report for the first time native-born Americans who don't speak English. There are also some dysfunctional cultural traditions that are being brought here such as honor killings, genital mutilation, and child slavery which were tolerated in the old country, but are not legal in the U.S.
Hey, it would make a great video game! Capture or kill the illiegal immigrants invading our borders.
My game would be better.
Shoot all the trolls.
Zakaria, you are a shining example of what many Americans despise . . . an immigrant who comes here and tries to "fix" our country to suit their needs or likes. Mind your own damn business and go back to India and fix that. We don't need arrogant people like you.
America does not have an immigration problem, America has an ILLEGAL immigration problem. There is a huge distinction between the two that the author does not seem to acknowledge.
This country is giving away the inheritance of your sons, daughters and grandchildren for generations to come. Time to stop it all. Legal or illegal, we're at saturation levels when Americans are competing with immigrants for places in colleges and grad schools, jobs, housing, etc. No other country does that. Time for a wake up call.
Fareed – Once again your bias has skewed your view. Americans generally don't have issues with immigrants. We have problems with ILLEGAL immigrants. Thanks for pointing out that the overwhelming majority of the country came from somewhere else though. What would we do without your insight?
There is another article written grouping both ILLEGALS and LEGALS together and using the word 'immigrant". Seriosuly??? While immigration numbers need to be reduced, illegal immigration needs to be stopped 100%.
To find a broken immigration in a country formed by immigrants, is ironical but true here.
US needs to fix immigration, make stricter rules and checks at border and faster assimilation of skilled folks here.
I purpose, a 30 day 2 point plan.
1) 1st on the month : Ask for application from all immigrants who want to become citizens here.
Run background checks for next 24 hrs ...........
2) 15th tell them they will become citizens on 30th ( if the pass backgound checks) or leave the country ( if they don't clear back ground).
on day 30 the number of illegals would be less than 1 million.
Lol. background checks by Homeland security and CIA ,while applying for citizenship, currently take anywhere between 6 months to 3-5 years, depending on the country of origin. If you an arab or a pakistani you could wait forever.
If you an arab or a pakistani you could wait forever.
Works for me.
By the way New Zealand has an excellent immigration policy as well see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_New_Zealand#Introduction_of_points-based_systems
Zakaria – go back to Pakistan you jihadist
Sorry to disappoint you, but he is Indian , just like you.
Mow.
Ron.
Can I go to the foreign countries mentioned in the article and receive financial aid like this?
http://www.welcometousa.gov/Government_benefits/default.htm
Canada also has the most effective assimilation approach in that it is very open to allowing people to do whatever they way. If you want to wear a tuban, go ahead we will make an official one for our police. You want to cover your face, go ahead, no problem feel free to do so. With that, Canadian's welcome people into the daily lives of their society (as opposed to making them stay at home). These people wear their turbans and veils to the mall, to sporting events, to parks and so on. Pretty soon, they start to wonder 'why' they are wearing these things when everyone else looks so comfortable (particularly the younger generation) and soon...they change.
Because Canada is so open minded, there is no 'counter force' to assimilation. No body can rant and rave about needing to defend their culture which is under attack.
With that said, some aspects of culture, such as food, celebrations, etc are absorbed into Canadian life. Chinese New Year and Dragonboat festivals now involve a very diverse ethnic make up and are Canadian traditions.
Canada does it right.
Canada is not perfect but when it comes to Immigration and Cultural Diversity we are the BEST IN THE WORLD I am in a Masters program in University and half of our class is from five different countries – if I could show you a picture of the class the colour and culture mixture is FANTASTIC
Suggestion – walk down YOUNG Street in Toronto and come back and tell us what your see GO CANADA GO
Love Canada
So, you are perfectly willing to accept all the uneducated Mexican, Central Americans and South Americans that have crossed into the USA then. I'd be glad to send them to you!
You must be terrified when they sit beside you – you likley have high blood preasure and will live an average of seven years less than most people
HINT hug someone of a different race and see if you can help them – TRUST ME you live longer
love Canada
I purpose, a 30 day 2 point plan.
1) 1st day of the month : Ask for applications from all immigrants who want to become citizens here.
Run background checks for next 24 hrs ...........
2) 15th tell them they will become citizens on 30th ( if the pass backgound checks) or leave the country ( if they don't clear back ground).
on day 30, the number of illegals would be less than 1 million.
Who pays for them to leave ?
Immigrants are different, there are smart and not , depend of colour
The problem with this article assumes that Americans are against all types of immigration. That is simply incorrect. Most are probably for and okay with legal immigration. Everyone is against ILLEGAL immigration. That is the difference that CNN fails to talk about in these awful articles.
And you ran ...you ran back to your land
The difference between honest immigrants and illegal aliens has never been greater.
Fine all you illegals in the US move to Canada, they want you.
Spanish population move US economy. They take care of your aging people; make your yards look nice; polish your toilets; dust your home, clean your sewer; build and paint your houses; all this kind of jobs a white or black american even in dreams never would do it. Sure, products are label in Spanish, and that's indication how a lot money Latinos spent everyday, they move US economy, they just don't hid their money under the mattress like many Americans. Of course Latinos are also entrepreneurs, they own restaurants, construction companies, etc. Anybody who is right in his mind knows that this is true. Of course, nobody is perfect and a few of this folks get some welfare, but in general Latino community love and work hard for this country.
Americans are perfectly willing to do these jobs you mention, just not for minimum wages. You have to remember $4 and hour in Mexico is a ton of money – you can't live of it (well) here. Businesses see the potential for more profits by hiring illegal workers – they don't pay them as much, and they basically have no workers rights – what more could a construction form want. If you don't agre with what they want you to do they just fire you and hire another.
What you don't mention in your statement is the hundreds of millions required to care for an uneducated population. Since employers don't offer illegals insurance, they also don't pay the medical bills when they occur – I do. Since parents refuse to learn English, papers must be sent home with kids in Spanish as well – that costs money – I pay. Actually, 70% of the entire ESL program is for students who were actually born in the USA – nah, that doesn't cost anything, but I have to pay for it.
It would be nice if the population you speak of actually wanted to be American. Unfortunately, most want to be Mexican. And you can't be Mexican and live in America permanently – you have to become an American!
This is whyC NNshould stick to the business of NEWS rather than opinion. When leaders of countries such as Germany, who have the results of the experiment in front of them, say their immigration policies are failed, clowns like Fareed say they are pandering to extremists:
"Rather than rejecting these extremists, Europe’s mainstream politicians have pandered to them. Former French President Nicholas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany have all declared that multiculturalism in their countries is a failure."
This is nothing more than thinly veiled propaganda, intended only to advance one man's agenda. Whatever your opinion, there is no regard to fact here, just one man's opinion. And this article is not worthy of a real news producer. Perhaps Mr. Fareed should spend some time examining the statistics of these countires, if he wants his opinion to be worth reading.
Its only opinion, when you dont like the opinion.
I have always wanted to emmigrate to Canada. Sigh.... must be nice to live in a country that CARES about it's people instead of worshipping $$$/
Anybody else notice the pickpocket in that picture?
CNN = no reason bias, load of it..and Zakaria is an iddiot
I watched the show last night. It was good, but Mr.Zakaria glossed over
Canada's cherry picking the best and brightest, and the need for assimilation.
Maintaining diversity is what's killing this country. The immigrants of the
early 20th century understood the need to assimilate, the current crop
dismisses it. Nothing wrong with keeping your culture in your home or
immediate neighborhood, but when you venture out beyond that enclave
you should be American first... speak English in public. The countries
that have everyone relatively on the same page have the least problems.
There's too many lumps in today's melting pot. That may be good for
pudding or gravy, but not a country.
Also, the justification of low-wage, marginal, part-time, seasonal jobs is
an elitist stance. Take the plunge and require a living wage, or don't
offer the position. It will be painful at first, but shake itself out. Think
long-term first for a change.
Will someone take this Indian back to Mumbia
It's "Mumbai". I agree, but let's get the spelling right, shall we, lol.
They come here because we have a great country then the want to bring the trash from the countries they have just left. GET REA>
I don't have a single issue about people wanting to immigrate to the United States. I do however have an issue about having to accept all the people who are immigrating illegally and basically living off teh system. I do have a hard time paying for people to live here that don't legally belong here. I don't think any American has an issue with legal immigrants, but the illegal ones are not welcome anymore!
Having said that, I'll save you the comments, since I have such a view I must be racist! NOT!
Funny how 1 immigrant Mayor in Calgary thinks he can speak for all Canadians. I attended my daughters` graduation from university this past weekend and I was disgusted by the ignorance and pushiness of all the immigrants at the ceremony. It is time that if we are going to let more in then it is time for them to act like Canadians and not make us accept the ways of their country. If they don`t like our rules because they do not coincide with their religious beliefs then move back home and take some of your relatives with you. Welcome to Canada. You are now a Canadian, act like one.
Oh Charlie, don't know whether to laugh or cry. The Mayor of Calgay is not saying that at all. I know plenty of rude people who are WASPs, but nice try. It ranks right up there with the person complaining that Korean Canadians are using an umbrella while golfing.....
Kind of misses the point (once again) – We are concerned about the Illegal Immigration
Oh course it sounds better if you say – "Oh all those bigots are against immigration" – but actually its the legal thing that bothers us.....
Earlier this year, Canada took an additional step of saying that it would reduce the number of immigrants brought in each year that are parents or older of existing residents/citizens, replaced it with triple the number of long-term visas for family members of existing residents/citizens and shifted all of those immigration slots over to economic slots. We're also constantly trying to find ways to improve our ability to get talented immigrants into positions suited to their skills rather than cab drivers (the number of doctors working as cab drivers...). Hilariously, our Engineering bodies have figured out that the best way to determine whether you're proficient as an Engineer is for you to take the American Engineer's exam (there's no Canadian equivalent because our training system is different)
Thank you, thank you. Our system in Canada may not be perfect but at least is somewhat logical and the government is actively trying to improve it.
It amazes me how many people don't understand, and won't understand, the basics of immigration economics.
Who's telling liberals that Americans don't like immigrants? Americans don't like illegal immigrants. Americans love immigrants, we've built this country on thier backbone. This article is FOOLISH!
If it dont work, its a liberals fault.
Jesus was a liberal.
This country was founded by liberals.
Today, liberal is a dirty word.
Why ?
Because Republicans said so.
The bottom line is who is going to pay for what the illegal immigrant needs to survive in our society that they can't provide for themselves? Obviously the Taxpayer. What is the limit on those resources?
Press 1 to find out.
PS If you dont speak espanol, then your tough out of luck.
At some point the world as a whole will have to learn to live with a static, or possibly even declining, population. Why not start on that now? Depending on an ever-increasing supply of non-old people is a losing game in the long run. It's also not fair to shelve older people as a group when many of them want to continue being productive and dare I say even innovative.
The base of Americans are saying NO. Thats, N. O. more. If politicians and labor leaders want immigration for their self serving agenda they first need to drastically improve the conditions and lives of the existing residents of the USA. Like all things we are aware of today there are people who depend on immigration to make money, have a job, and too exploit. Countries who are fighting against immigration were encouraged to open up to immigration by the USA in the first place. My feeling is it is time for a 5 year moratorium on no immigration, none allowed at all. We have millions of HS grads who are the labor force, and 0 jobs for them. That is the perception! NO immigration, none!
The first thing we can do is STOP catering to just one group and start putting this recording on all business phones: "If you do not understand english, then we suggest you learn; unless of cause you think that you are so special that every store and every business should speak your language. In that case we suggest returning to the country of your origin until you can at least sound like you really want to be an American.
Illegal immigrants. Next week's new Democrats.
Illegal immigrants cant vote.
Nice try..................MORON.
I don't think any nation can teach us how to handle immigration. The US has been handling immigrants for more than 200 years. What's the problem? Someone comes to the U.S. legally, they get a job and they pay taxes. Like everyone else. Am I missing something here?
There isn't a "lesson" here to be learned, nor any good practices to follow from other countries. The U.S. is soft on illegals and continues to be committed to a lack of policy or enforcement. Our tax dollars are wasted on illegals attending schools, seeking housing and food programs, and expecting free healthcare and not gain any status to become legal. We make it easy for them to get everything for free and offer nothing in return. Other countries set deadlines and expect wages to be earned and reported. We don't in the U.S. – so, maybe Mr. Zakaria can address this ugly truth.
This article is VERY POORLY RESEARCHED. Canada is quite different from the US as it does not have an 'anchor baby law', which means as a foreigner, you can't just vacation in Canada pregnant, pop a kid out and poof...they are Canadian. That is a big no-no. The US needs to create a law prohibiting children of non-American parents citizenship. This will eliminate the cry baby stories of how the US separates families. Also, Canada doesn't have an unsecured boarder with Mexico, thus they don't have the illegal immigration issues that the US has and they can better control the quality of their immigrant workforce. In addition, Canada does try to bring in the best and the brightest to fill its employment gaps. The US doesn't need uneducated and illiterate workers (the US already does a good job of producing these types of people through our public eduation system). We need scientists, engineers and most importanat MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS.
Eh!
Actually, I had a family member who was born in Canada while their parents were visiting there...it took her almost a decade to get her citizenship straightened out...she was a Canadian citizen in both the U.S. & Canada's eyes...
There is more to your story than your letting on then, because children of U.S. citizens born overseas are still U.S. citizens.
We need people who can spell, too.
In the states I had student visa and I was never able to become resident even holding an University Degree! Today I live in Edmonton, Canada, working for a multinational company, I am permanent resident and I am so happy to contribute with my taxes to a society so inclusive and open! I love Canada !
Interesting read, but I don't think its very a practical approach to look at other countries' policies to shape ours. The U.S. has a unique situation when it comes to immigration. I doubt Canada would have the same policies if it was located directly next to Mexico. The immigration problem in America is not how and who we let in legally. It is how we enforce the laws broken by those who have come here illegally. I would like to see a serious article written about this.
I like Canada's immigration policy, but if the US puts any standards other than being able to breath (or anything that keeps anybody from a certain region from being able to go to the US without any controls) for prospective immigrants to the US, some people with a lack a brain power will call it racist and against their civil rights. A good system that vets individuals prior to admitting them is the way to go (should be common sense).
?why isnt this article in espanol? this is a racist website; my espanol feelings are hurt. we are soooo exploited, by the white non hispanics, us white hispanics-especially those wanting to be neighborhood watch people-feel so demean by this. ?where do I press 2 so I can read this in espanol?
I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE, as you are trying to state that the majority of people in the US are against ALL immigrants. WRONG!!! You should have made the point clearer in your article that these other countries that have high-rates of imigrants are actually LEGAL immigrants. Ones that pay taxes and other dues that natural citizens pay. ILLEGAL immigrants are just that... ILLEGAL! How do ILLEGAL immigrants stack up in those country, oh wise one, Fareed? Make the comparison of ILLEGALS in those countries vs LEGALS! THEN and ONLY THEN will your story be accurate.
Typical one-sided misleading liberal media reporter.
No, CNN, Americans don't have a problem with legal immigration; it's illegal immigration. When benefits and resources are given to illegals that have been paid for by the taxes of citizens, it's a bitter pill to swallow.
Ask France about immigration. France will be a muslim nation within 20 years. As for Germeny holding talks with muslim leaders about assimilating into the culture who is going to assimilate into what when German becomes a muslim nation.
In general, immigration is fine but what we have a problem with is illegal immigration.
As Chief Sitting Bull once said, "look out for those immigrants".
Pointless and off the debate article is pointless and off the debate. No one in America is saying we shouldnt allow people to immigrate. We are saying we dont want illegals here. I love how liberals try to equate the two. My wife is from Mexico and she is offended at the idea after allt he money we spent and all we went throught o get here here...the RIGHT WAY!
Amen! If I had gone through all of the effort to immigrate here legally and honestly, I think I would be absolutely furious at the people who cheat their way in.
I love how liberals try to equate the two.
Funny, i am a liberal, and i dont equate the two.
You must have a Republican agenda.
Nice how you think you can speak for oher people.
President Obama has deported more illegals than any other president in history.
Job well done.
Kill the ILLEGALS and let in LEGALS!!!!!!!!!
I think your are sick; go to the golden bridge. tie a stone in your neck and precipitate yourself deep in the water.
Immigration is fine, as long as immigrants enter our country legally. As for the people coming here to work, I do believe Americans should be a first choice for a job, but in the occasion that the job is some specialized position and no Americans apply, or are not educated in a specific field, than legal immigrants are fine and welcome.
As usual Zakaria has missed the point. I have never talked to anyone that was anti-immigration. I talk to a lot of people that are anti-illegal immigration. There is a big difference. Zakaria seems to think everyone that is the latter is also the former.
I have never met an American (natural born or naturalized) who was against immigration. I have met many who were against illegal immigration. "many Americans see immigrants as a danger" is a distortion of the issues and sensationalism in the pursuit of making money nothing more.
This article is full of manipulation and lies. Americans are not worried about immigrants. Americans are worried about ILLEGAL immigrants. I won't even go into how these "examples" have nothing to do with America or it's issues with immigration. This whole article is a fabrication that only a 3rd grader would believe!!!!
I've met some imigrants who earned an engineering degree in the Netherlands, but are instead driving a forklift in a warehouse in the U.S. He's highly trained in his profession, but every company he applied for said since it's not a U.S. degree they didn't care about it...
I fully understand the frustration and as an immigrant I worked with odd jobs that were not in-line to my engineering. And guess what, my degree is not from a certified US academy. That's ok, there are a lot of companies that honor degrees from overseas. They will have to be a little bit patient though. If they really want those "big companies" to call in times or recession, join the Army. It looks good in your resume because they know that you are a veteran. That's what happened to me.
Good luck my friend and hope your friends may find the appropriate job with there experience.
Too bad someone with Common Sense and simple Math skills wasn't in charge of immigration..It should be pretty simple..Work & Pay your Taxes follow proper immigration procedures and become a citizen...No Paperwork and no job...Go back to your home country and quit draining our resources. Oh and Goodbye...
Fences and gates have never worked to keep people out . Did we not learn anything from the history of the Berlin wall . Even with mines people were able to get around it and it is no different today as a person with nothing to lose sometimes would rather die trying than to live without hope !
We should only be so lucky as to have a labor shortage here!
I spent some time in Europe as a student and there, like here in the U.S., it was ILLEGAL immigration that had people ticked off, not legal immigrants and visitors.
What is an American?? The United States is made up all different nationalities, races, religions and ethnic groups. No other nation has ever had such a diverse melting pot of different folks that have come together for one common goal. FREEDOM for all!! That being said everyone coming to the United States needs to dedicate themselves to becoming an American. Not Mexican, Italian, German, Greek or other nationality. Learn the LANGUAGE and the culture, history and dedicate yourself to your new nation. Be proud of where you came from, but most of be proud you are an American First and foremost.
please add a profile of Mexico's and China's immigration policies. How do they treat illegal aliens?
"Canada and also Australia now have smart immigration policies that take in talented foreigners who have skills the country needs and determination and drive to succeed.
As a result, they have transformed themselves into immigrant countries, with a foreign-born population that is higher than the United States."
Canada at least has ALWAYS been an immigrant country. It's growth was smaller than the US but it's growth since the beginning was because of immigration. Does he think we were just acting like rabbits?
Just a thought ever realized how west for the past few decades has been involved in another kind of forced immigration..i.e occuping countries(Vietnam, afghanistan, Iraq etc) , killing its people and taking over its resources. I hope this kind of immigration is justified and totally shows how people can really assimlate into other culture i.e by destroying their culture..i rem coming across this scene in which once an american girl angrily asked an immigrant (muslim to be precise) y he doesnt leave america ..to which the immigrant replied that we will leave once you leave our lands (both physically as well as policy vise)..
The point is this is never ending debate....we all need to accept and tolerate each other and the culture /social differences to survive ...be it from any religion, race or color..otherwise we can see whats happening in the world and can only expect how bad can it be in future!!
This Nation doesn't need to lean a d@m thing from anybody other than NEVER VOTE for a President for the COLOR of his SKIN again!
Why not ?
We have been for over 200 years.
You have a problem with it now ?
Sad little man.
Just for fun, what do you guys think of Americans (whites) who adopt children (black and brown) from other countries. They are counted as immigerants too.
*** What is an "immigerant" ?
Is it, animal or vegitable ?
As a recently landed permanent resident in Canada, who lived and was educated in the US, I do agree that while Canada has a better entry system for immigrants, it lacks the ability to intergrate them that the US does so easily. Its not an apples to apples comparison though because the reason for the disconnect in Canadian society is sometimes more between immigrants than between immigrants and "Canadians" because some people do bring their prejudices along with their luggage and that, coupled with ethnic silos, means that some people will always be on the periphery of society.
Sorry Maria I am not quite understanding your point. If the issue is between immigrants and other immigrants and not Canadians, why would it be different in the U.S. or any other country for that matter? I think if you look at the intergration of cultures in Canada as a whole you will find that immigrants in Canada have less issues than in SOME places in the U.S. for various reasons.
it's "Give me your tired, your poor,/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" not "Give me your tired, your poor,/Your huddled masses yearning to live for free"
Give me your sheep as they work for pennies.
If the choice is poor and free,
or poor and enslaved, what would you choose ?
Where I live here in Canada I have witnessed the integration of various ethnic groups to be pretty much non-existent. I'm not so sure that the multiculturalism policies are working for us. I believe we could learn a thing or two about integration from the United States. It seems to me that you should be proud of the country that takes you in more so than the country that you left behind. I think that all multiculturalism policies do is keep people separated.
Immigration is good. Illegal Immigration is not fair. Why would we give unfair preference to people that happen to be geographically nearby? Millions of people in Africa, Asia and Europe are denied a shot at coming to America because they have to follow the legal (broken) immigration processes we put in their way while anyone who gets the urge, can walk in from Mexico. We should be trying to attract the best and brightest from all over the world, not filling all our openings with whomever walks up to our southern border.
The 500 pound gorilla in the room for the U.S. was ignored by Fareed Zakaria. He is only babbling about legal immigration. Canada's border is the U.S. border, not the Mexican border. Not many illegals jumping the fence in Montana one could assume, eh? If that factor is ignored, Zakaria's analysis is flawed from the start. If anything, one can reasonably jump to the conclusion that Canada does well because they have zero illegal immigration to address.
Zero? Wrong. There are thousands of illegal immigrants in Canada, many from the U.S.
I don't believe anyone is hostile against immigrants as long as they enter through the proper channels and aren't dependent upon social services upon entry. Now on the other hand they should also be given an education on the proper behavior in a western country and some basic rules that they must follow. Such as: Killing your daughter because she dates someone outside of your cult religion is not allowed. Beating your wife is not allowed. Sending your 9 year old daughter to the toilet of a country you came from to marry your brother and bring him back here is not allowed. Just a few.
For all those people who are "afraid" of losing their jobs to immigrants...you should be afraid...if that immigrant gets "your" job...point at yourself...cry me a river about whats fair and not fair...these immigrants are willing to do what most Americans will not and will accept pay most Americans will not...its your own greed and laziness that will be your own demise...work harder and you'll get what you deserve...you don't "need" an iPhone or an expensive car or wear expensive clothes...start shopping at Walmart and save your money. Do what you need to, to get what you want...
Shaka, if you are referring to LEGAL immigrants, than okay, I see your point. the best man/woman should get the job. If you are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants, then I totally reject your argument because they have no legal right to that job.
***...start shopping at Walmart and save your money.
Make the Chinese rich.
Save your money ?
What money ?
My retirement account was destroyed during the Bush Administration.
My job of 20 years at Kodak was shipped to Mexico.
I am 56 years old, i have been working since i was 17,
You people with your opinions and your crystal balls dont get it.
Remember "Enron" ?
The game is fixed, and YOU LOSE !!!
I no longer care.
My house is paid for, and i grow vegitables in my backyard.
I vote, but it only means something locally.
To make a point......
When George W. Bush was running for re-election against John Kerry,
how many people picked up on the fact that they are both members of
skull & Bones ?
Do you know what skull & bones is ?
An elite organization that hand picks people from wealthy families
to be trained in taking over key positions of power in,
banking, oil, politics, trade, education, and military.
The United States is NOT a country, it is a corporation.
The President of the United States is just the CEO of the largest part of that corporation.
As long as the corporation is profitable, they dont care about things like health care,
gay rights, or abortion.
They are wedge issues that the next CEO will use to get the job.
So i will vote for Obama because i want freedom for gays, and healthcare.
You will vote for Romney because he will snap his fingers and America will be back at work.
Behind closed doors, nothing changes.
They make policy, they call the shots.
Forget immigration, they want a one world policy.
Borders mean nothing.
People mean nothing.
Nation states are nothing more than farms.
They dont care who runs the farm, as long as it either "produces" or does no harm.
But when a farm starts killing its flock, other humans get upset, and that farm has to be dealt with.
They dont want more farms going roque.
They want a population that produces to keep them rich.
When that population no longer provides this service, what do you think they will do ?
Congrats to all LEGAL immigrants!!! Thanks for going through all the crap that you went through to come live here. I respect that hardf work and dedication. Why should ILLEGAL immigrants be able to disrespect the work that legal immigrants have put in. It is unfair, disrespectful and criminal. I don't blame anyone from trying to leave a terrible sutuaion to come here. You have to do anything you can to save your family. However, if you are caught, then you go back. Sounds fair to me.
Everything is being set up so a dictator family comes in has their children and sends the USA into communism.
The Obamas?
You cannot compare Canada with US. Canada doesn't have the resources, US does. The only option for Canada is to have H1B visa. At the contrary US has more than 300 millions people and lot of them would love to get an education. Simply they don't go to school because of the cost of education.
The solution for US is different than Canada. It is NOT import H1b visa, but educate people. Make education affordable. So we (in the IS) will have plenty of engineers and less unemployed.
Thank you.
Explain exactly what resources Canada lacks?
Canada doesnt have the military budget to invade the world.
Thank god.
Everything else is good.
I see many people cursing people with H1B, Its a visa to solve the workforce problem and most of the People who are on h1b pay more taxes than rest of the people. Which means more money for the govenment. As they are not citizens they cannot claim any disability and Social Security ( added bonus to Government and Companies). They are not cheap they work hard than they get paid for.
Most of the H1B people who I work with takes a 6 digit salary.
First illegal immigration needs to be corrected.
Canada working? Really? I an Canadian whom immigrated to the USA 12 years ago, let me tell you, there is no way in heck Canadas system is working, I am originally from Vancouver, where you barely no longer hear english, but the constant drone of Punjabi, Cantonese, Mandarian, Farsi, the immigrants REFUSE to learn English and yet get jobs where they are requireed to speak the language, their children fill up the schools and waste valuble money because they can't speak the language and the TAXPAYER has to pay to teach them. No Canada's system isn't working, not remotely...
Glad you left. The rest of us who stay continue to live in a country that is doing very well thank you. Your exaggeration just shows your prejudice.
.....all because the government can't just stay home and appreciate what they already have as citizens. Work within borders, money within borders, then fun for USA citizens abroad. No country angry at us because we stay out of all their business in ALL EVENTS but our own. –The way it is supposed to be.
I'm in Canada – and we are not all thrilled with immigration. We'd love more from the UK, Australia, Western Europe, USA etc., what we don't want are people coming in who bring their backwards religions with them, keeping women oppressed here (in burkas etc) and who try to change OUR way of life to suit them.
Ann, you do not speak for me or any other Canadian except yourself.
Why is it CNN and it's staff have such a problem differentiating between immigrantion and illegal immigration. I haven't found a person yet that is against immigration. Just do it legally, like EACH of the above countries (and the region, I might addd) require.
To say "Today, many Americans see immigrants as a danger to that dream." is way off base. Many Americans have no opinion on immigration, but the left leaning media would have you believe that they do & Republicans are the cause of that fear. I am a first generation American, my parents are both from Ireland, coming to America in the 50's. Many of my friends are the same or second generation Americans. We don't fear immigration, we embrace it. LEGALLY! Both my parents went through the process, my father even joining the military to expedite the process. They both saw the greatness of this country & what it had to offer. Many Americans are of the same mind-set as me when it comes to immigration, do it legally, and there are no problems. But if you are against illegal immigration, you are somehow thrown into the pool of bigots and racists against Latinos. I am sure there are thousands of hard working, family oriented dedicated Latinos who have come to America for the opportunities. I support them 100%. But when you have so many issues with drugs & guns long the Southern boarder, what do you do to stop the flow of drugs that continue to pour into this country through Mexico w/o seeming like a bigot????
the immigration has nothing to do with the American Dream, before America used to offer a job where people come to work but I will say that since early's nineteen when the immigrants started to undertand the walfare systems, section 8 and theprograms that the Gobernment offer, people stop thinking about work and started to being support by the gobernment they know if they lie they live from the gobernment they have immigrants living in their countries collecting unmeployment, some else called for them, getting section 8, while the houses are in their boyfriend's name so the government is paying for the mortgage, while the female is collecting food stamp and everthing they can from the government but they are driving BMW, merdeces bens, going in vacation twice a year but they do not have money t osupport themself, female getting their nails and hair done, they are expensive, the children getting free colleges and failing school when the good children had to get student loans, why the governemnt do not stop and welfare program and section 8 with this money will pay the student loans and offer free college education for the ones who keeps a b average, you will see how people will change, but while the goverment keep up with this programs we wiill be a big problems, we need keep with good education not lazy grow up, drug dealer, good for nothing and kid being race in the same way
*** Many Americans have no opinion on immigration, but the left leaning media would have you believe that they do & Republicans are the cause of that fear.
You do understand that Republican Ronald Reagan gave Amnesty
to over 3 million illegal aliens back in 1986?
You say that Americans have no opinion on immigration, and you polled how many ?
This immigration problem sat on George W. Bush' desk for 8 years,
care to tell me what he did about it ?
ZIP.
Iran seeking a nucear weapon ?
ZIP.
Ignore the problem,and blame the next administration.
BINGO !!!!!!
You adopt an "ideal" for immigrants: native-English speaking, skilled, educated, financially well-off, from a developed country, with a clean criminal record, and plenty of time to contribute to their new country.
If the entire population of Australia or Ireland, we would have very little to lose by rolling out the red carpet and letting them all come here, after only a very short waiting period.
*If the entire population of Australia or Ireland wanted to move here.
It would be good it there was free travel for workers between the EU and US. There would not be a massive flow because the people aren't poor and desperate like the illegals that come into both areas.
If any of you has had major surgery or been in intensive care in the past 10 years odds are at least one of the pieces of equipment that kept you alive was designed by an anchor baby (me). So before judging others for their herritage, just be glad we exist and you are alive.
Julie: If you are an anchor baby, than you should be thanking the US taxpayers that funded your free education in the US and you should be paying them every penny back with double interest. If you were not illegally brough here to the US, you'd be a nobody today.
The best way to solve all immigration problems is to terminate all immigration into the United States. Soon America will be like the U.K where it is easier to find tribal members from obscure Middle Eastern regions, then to find Anglo Saxons.
If Americans were actually having kids, that might be a possible course of action. As it currently is, however, immigration is really just being used as a stop-gap measure for the failure of native-born citizens to reproduce.
Yes, let's take lessons from the rest of the world. Maybe we can learn something from Mexico?
I agree there Hot Carl... I, being of hispanic descendence, have had the opportunity to be in Mexico a number of times, and I find it extremely ironic that the mexican government, and mexican immigrants criticize America's US/Mexico border policies when Mexico's southern border with Guatemala is almost guarded like a war zone, and immigrants crossing from South America into Mexico are treated horrifically, sometimes even shot and tortured... Goes to show you have each country is just looking out for its own protection... so sad
Seeing how the rest of the world is turning into a 3rd world nations and melting down because of their lax boarders I see no reason to change but to enforce our current laws and open up Ellis Island operations. Yeah scream racist but as loose as our boarders have become and the sanctuary cities that have open up. Look at the rise in crime, diseases that we killed in this country called America that have returned not to mentioned the drain on the economy everytime an illegal calf a kid here.
Why not continue calling it a democracy for the next 200 years as we brainwash everyone moving our way toward communism. What's the difference? ....whether you know or not... ...find out now the benefits of communism and learn to accept them that way when we are at that turning point, you won't be so bad off behind the wall. The wall will rise from underground and surround the USA at a press of a button. They are already working on it just south of Victoria, Canada to not catch USA citizens off guard. Enjoy what is left for what there is. What a shame.
Canada does not have the "cache" that the United States does? What does that mean? A cache is defined as a hiding place, or a place to store food or supplies, or computer memory. I think Canada has all that. I think the writer should have used the word "cachet" – meaning prestige. I think Canada has that, too. Plus, Canadians know how to spell and how to use a dictionary. Better schools, I think. Doesn't that help with our cachet?
Thanks for the laugh. Cachet and Canada. I believe part of the issue that the U.S. faces with illegal immigration is partly their own making. For years through the propaganda of movies and advertising they have tried to convince the world that they are the best country on earth. So the poor and untravelled of the world eat it up and try and do anything to get there.
so the e.u. nations can't agree on anything but they all want muslims out? zakrika thinks it is a reflection on paranoid europeans, but most of would think it is a reflection on the ever warring islam.
Here is a weird idea.ENFORCE the laws.
If illegals come here illegally that is a crime and why should we believe the will magically obey our other laws.
The excuse they break our laws to better THERE LIFE is not acceptable in a court of law for breaking any laws.
Homeless people steal food to survive be will be jailed for that crime.What makes illegals ABOVE the laws of our country.We have legal immigrants here.My friend came here form Italy legally.Our biggest issue is with Latinos.They are the biggest group sneaking in to the us.There to stupid to learn English and we have to change signs,docs, audio messages for them.I do believe they are the dumbest group on the planet.
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The opening premise is wrong. They said "Today, many Americans see immigrants as a danger to that dream." That just is not true, most Americans do NOT have a problem with immigration, we have a problem with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION/IMMIGRANTS. Show us how these other countries handle THAT issue.
To Eddard's opinon: with those expectations that you feel would help immigrants gain status in AMERICA, would the government of your country role out that same kind of red carpet to grant an AMERICAN legalization status. MY HONEST OPINION: NO THEY WILL NOT. AMERICA NEEDS TO TIGHTEN UP THE BORDERS BY START SAYING, FEW TO ENTER. Once reason for entry is completed now EXIT. WHY ROB PETER TO GIVE PAUL WHEN PAUL WILL SPEND LESS AND SEND MOST.
Mr. Zakaria are you really that stupid.It is the illegals and Muslims that are the problem.They are the ones that want to change the laws and refuse to integrate.No problem if you come here legally and live by American law.
Please leave the US if you dont like it.
@Oh really? Islam is evil and so is Mohammad. In fact Mohammad was a child molester and you worship him??? blow yourself up and do the world a favor.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
In one way, Fathead, misses the forest for the trees in that he fails to consider the geography involved. What do Western Europe and the US have in common that Canada doesn't, porous borders with less developed nations. How many illegal immigrants enter Canada from the US compared to the number that enter the US from Mexico. It's pointless to compare US green cards and Canadian point system visas when the US borders are a sieve and our immigration policies are politically motivated.
immigration
US has a faulty immigration system. Combining legal and illegal immigration into one law will not work as they are two different issues. It is extremely difficult to get a green card legally even with PHD from top US university in STEM. We had to pay 12 K to a top immigration lawyer to get our green cards under the EB1 category (extraordinary) as EB2 has a wait for 7/8 ears for China and India. I have a tenure track faculty position and my hubby is a scientist but we could not get any stability ( in terms of buying a house, settling down) till we had a green card. At a point we thought we would go back to India where we were offered cushy academic jobs because we felt it was extremely unreasonable the amount of paperwork and lengthy process getting a green card takes even for very qualified people. If we leave whose loss would it be US or India ? Our phd tuition, health insurance and yearl stipend of 20k was paid by the us university.
Sick of Zakaria ALWAYS trying to justify the existence of illegal immigrants in the country and why this country should welcome more and more folks. The US already legally admits more immigrants than any other country in the world. Zakaria, go back to where you came from and make IT better. We should only admit those that do not impose a burden on those of us already here and make the US strategically better.
I wonder how one feels if you lose your great job after spending college money and get all kinds of certification to people that have entered this country illegally, Its not being lazy Mr Khan but I personally have built some wealth and priide, and wll not take certain jobs, Perhaps you take any job, that comes along but not everyone are like you.Oh and yes I do shop at Walmart.
Get over yourself... you are not special.
My idea is illegal immigrates mostly do not have any college degree and most probably will not replace you.
Why is it so important to maintain a status as I am German, American, French, or any other. The reality of it is that this should not matter and doesn't really bring any thing to the table. As a resident of this planet I don't care where you are from.. only that you respect me as I respect you.
Legal immigration, at the highest sustained level in our history, is no bargain. Most legal immigrants come on the basis of family connections to previous immigrants, not on the basis of skills. Legal immigrants, as shown by the research of Harvard economist George Borjas, are much more likely than U.S. natives to receive welfare. What is legal is not necessarily beneficial.
Could you please site the study ? I have seen very few legal immigrants on welfare and am very curious about the findings of the study the sample the study was done on etc.
Mass immigration serves two major interests, the radical left and the radical right. The left wants population replacement of Middle Americans who resist their "progressive" goals. It is much easier for them to manipulate impoverished people with no understanding of our country's heritage. On the right are business interests who want an endless stream of cheap labor to profit from and abuse. It's much better than paying decent wages to those pesky American workers who demand a decent living.
The radical left and right may hate each other, but they both love endless mass immigration as a vehicle to further their evil agendas.
As an English speaking ICU nurse, I cannot tell you how many times patients and their families have gotten irritated with my inability to speak fluent Spanish. The hospital offers a free language translation phone line, but they are still angry I don't speak Spanish. That would be equivalent to me going to Mexico and getting angry with the nurse not speaking English to me even though the hospital offers language translation services. I have taken 4 years of Spanish classes but learning to convert my entire professional vocabulary into another language is a monumental task. I don't mind informing the patient and/or family about the parasympatholytic and sympathomimetic properties of the bisquaternary ammonium compound, Pancuronium, but I think it's balderdash I should have to learn how to say this in another language. I spent 11 years working and paying my own way through college and these people want me to take time away from my personal life to learn to say it in their language...I don't think so.
I definitely relate to this. I work as a teller and LITERALLY 75% of the people that come in only want to speak Spanish. We have 2 tellers that speak Spanish with them but I cannot and so I constantly get "Why don't you know Spanish?" and "How are you supposed to help me if you don't speak Spanish?" And get this – ALL of our deposit slips, withdrawal slips, etc are in ENGLISH AND SPANISH and they still can't figure it out. If you move to a country then learn the language it's as simple as that. But DO NOT come to my bank and expect me to speak your language (and then criticize me) because you are too lazy to learn English.
Well Fareed, You forgot to mention very important information regarding Australia where Indian immigrants (specially students) are being killed on a regular basis. In Australia, every immigrant gets DOLE for each of the family member. Some of the middle easterners have expanded like anything so that they can get more DOLE. They are living in nice houses, driving nice cars without doing ANYTHING. Sooner or later Australian economy will be hit by this huge burden of supporting people on DOLE. Taxes in Australia are way too high. That's why they don't have enough jobs.
I support legal immigration but it should be on the basis of what we need, families to reunite but illegal immigration has to be dealt with. I know that our system is way too SLOW. It has to be streamlined and there should be grounds of compassion but you can't come in here illegally and expect preferential treatment.
Indians killed on a regular basis, oh that is a laugh.... if Australia was such a bad place why do so many people including people from India choose to come here and study and work and live?
The only danger of imigration is Islam. No muslim should allowed in America, all those allready here should be expulsed (no matter where they are born, a Muslim is a ENEMY)
“Canada offers many of the same things that America does – a very high standard of living, the rule of law, peace, safety,” I moved out of Canada and to Southeast Asia because of this statement many years ago! If you do not understand why then obviously you've never travelled abroad!
It is time to DRASTICALLY cut back on immigration numbers. The United States resources are being exhausted as is the tax payers wallet. You pay for the population explosion wheter you realize it or not. It's in your property taxes, your utility bills, price of gasoline, groceries, etc. Call your Congressman and say enough is enough. Demand national soverignity on all levels geographic, socio, economic. I don't want to see mosques all over the country and hear arabic, spanish chinese at the grocery stores and malls. Sooner or later their numbers will be so great that they will be making the rules. Reject the NWO /Global Economy. Buy American, pull your money out of Wall Street, and don't hire any contractor that has illegals working for them. This is America, not Latin America, Central America, South America. Vote out your Congress person. It's time for change.
Wow, I though this article was written by ruben navarez,
I've grown up in a rural area all my life and while we are taught about Americas diversity, i've really never experienced it until recent years. Now after going through college (with a diversified student body) during the great recession and having met many foreign students, I embrace it. I also volunteered at Catholic Charities as part of a class to work with refugee kids and I enjoyed it so much I continue it today.
Wow,
Man this is not the way America Is I do not oppose legal immigration at all. But i aspect if our country calls us to do our duty and enlist we shouls all do it. Ia m tired of people protesting in the street with Mexican or other country flag. I fyou left your country and came to America at least respect yourself. I have no problem people speaking their own languages as long English is Official languaage and everyone understand it.
What I have a problem is why our politcal leaders are all quite and hesitate to work together, I agree that America is falling down day by Day thanks to this Administration but If Hispanices are smart they will not fall for him, after alli i had to fire my gardener when i lost my job and decided to do the work myself. Go figure most of us rather work than sit at home.
Canada has gotten it right, by a long shot. For example, the province of Quebec offer 5 years of free language classes. Both in French, and in English. The locations for these language classes is heavily strewn throughout the province – easily accessible to all recent immigrants who need/want it. The classes are consistently full, continuing the Quebec language mandate tradition.
Now that's "getting it right"!
Most Americans are pro immigration not illegal immigration. The high numbers of illegal immigration and a country that doesn't enforce its own immigration laws is the biggest difference between the US and other countries. America's failure to properly address the illegal immigration issue has caused a huge push back from the American public(don't blame them at all). Until that issue is addressed properly, Americans will never be on board to expand legal immigration.
Way to put the end of the article in proportion there CNN! You know the number of immigrants in the U.S. is by itself almost 2X the whole population of Australia, right?
Human productivity = (work performance x rest performance) freedom coefficient
Capitalism focuses on improved work performance with high freedom. Socialism focuses on improved rest performance with lower freedom (than capitalism). All multiply to characterise the effect of one on the other in both increasing and decreasing productivity; Needed social reforms or needed freedoms all play into election politics or life in a social group.
I think most people dislike those who come to this country just to manipulate and exploit the system. It should be easier to allow those who wish to work and contribute to immigrate and just as easy to deport those who don't.
America is not only unkind to immigrants but are also unking to emmigrants. See how they treat fellow americans who chose to live and work in another country: as criminals.
To those who keep claiming that Obama is the reason that illegal crossings are down. Bush hired an extra 10,000 Border Patrol Agents during his tenure. They did not reach their goal until 2008. Obama just happened to be the guy to enter office at the right time when all those Agents hit the line and flooded the border with their presence.
WOW, WHAT A SIMPLISTIC AND TERRIBLE SHOW ABOUT IMMIGRATION,CANADA AND AUSTRAILA 24 AND 34 MILLLION POULATION RESPECTIVELY, ARE THE IRRELEVANT MODELS?BLOOMBERG IS AN AUTHORITY???
HIS OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS ONLY AND NOT FACTS.
THIS WEEKEND AN ILLEGAL ALIEN WITHOUT A LICENSE KILLED A MOTHER AN TWO CHILDERN IN AN AUTO ACCIDENT.
I will leave my comments about the positive economic impacts of a relative handful of good immigrants for the following commentary from a better source than myself. Clearly the author has not read his history lesson required of new immigrants.Theodore Roosevelt quotes
There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism…. The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.
Speech before the Knights of Columbus, New York (12 October 1915)
I really do not know which quality is the most productive of evil to mankind in the long run, hardness of hard or softness of head.
When the Greek lost the sterner virtues, when his soldiers lost the fighting edge, and his statesmen grew corrupt, while the people became a faction-torn and pleasure-loving rabble, then the doom of Greece was at hand, and not all their cultivation, their intellectual brilliancy, their artistic development, their adroitness in speculative science, could save the Hellenic peoples as they bowed before the sword of the iron Roman.
“There can be no fifty-fifty Americanism in this country. There is room here for only 100 percent Americanism, only for those who are Americans and nothing else.”
President Theodore Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
The best of our presidents says it well; the determining factor in immigration policy is, was and always should be loyalty to this country and having their best interests at heart. Far too many seeking only wealth, or convenience, or power on our friendly shores have no interest in preserving what is best in America. Let them visit or work but pay handsomely for the privilege. Certainly, let us not bow down to those seeking to reverse the Mexican War of 1845 by marching with their feet. If freedom from this tyranny requires conflict and it already has started, then let us not back away from defending our land.
Canada has its own problems not sure if you can compare their immigrations to ours, back in early seventies my brother tired to immigrate me to Canada without success. Why should Americans learn French, So what if you speak French, I speak French, italian, Russian and more, still English is the International language.
After all Why are we writting these blogs in English.
for me immigration is stupid. Why not develop your society with your people. Why amercans are not having kids? This system where is very difficult to have health care, pay bill, payment notices etc; people just dont want to have so many responsabilities. It didnt used to be that wayy, too much bureaucracy
US immigration is not comparable with EU, Canada, England or australia. The usa is a volatile society, in here who ever comes is because they admire america and doesnt care of what americans say. Children of illegals aprecciate america more than somebody who came legally, its the struggle, former immigrants faced the same problems. Been said that EU Canada and Australia are boring societies where everybody has to follow a code of different political and cultural standards. In here you can discriminate, insult have differences a VOLATILE society.
Assimilation will always rule the first generation usually has some issues with language and foreign culture. The second generation is always 100% proud to be American .
Learn the facts educate and when you feel capable express your opinion a bunch of people here needs help ......psicological help no wonder We are going backwards.
What an embarrassment for CNN to run this article. First of all, Americans DO NOT hate immigrants. It's illegal immigration that most Americans have a problem with, as a lot of people have stated here. I came to the U.S. LEGALLY with my family when I was 5 from a war-torn country. My family had to wait 2 long years (during war) to get the necessary paperwork to come to the U.S.
I love the states with my whole heart and believe that I live in the greatest nation in the world. That is why my heart breaks when I see people being sneaky and coming here illegally when my family waited so long and endured so much. Although I still speak my native langauge at home, my entire family has LEARNED to speak English. Yes, it was hard for my middle-aged parents and there were many tears but they fought through the language barriers and wouldn't have it any other way.
I still love my roots but I have taken on American citizenship and therefore I love this country more than anything. The pledge of allegiance and the national anthem bring me to tears and I display my American flag proudly. Now, when I see illegal immigrants coming and refusing to learn the language and refusing to acknowledge the beauty of this nation, it drives me nuts.
Why in the world is everything translated into Spanish? Spanish-speaking immigrants need to learn English just like every other immigrant and it's embarrassing that we allow them to get away with this.
I [happily] pay my taxes and contribute my fair share but I don't want my money going to the illegals. I welcome LEGAL immigrants with open arms and will bend over backwards to help them assimilate but I think that every single illegal needs to be deported and we need to change the law about illegals having babies here – that should be considered child abuse.
This needs to stop.
Agreed
Fareed Zakaria always hits the same bell.
True to his Muslim faith while Mr.Zakaria finds it noteworthy to highlight a Muslim mayor in an obscure Canadian town.........
he forgets his own Indian Indian stalwarts..................
Such as Governors of southern states – Nikki Haley (of South Carolina), Bobby Jindal (of Lousiana), and others such as Pepsico CEO Indira Nooyi, Astronaut Kalpana Chawla, Nobel prize winners – Subrmanyan Chandrashekar, Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, Hargobind Khorana, Amartya Sen and many many others.
......may be b'coz none of them are Muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
An obscure Canadian town? Calgary? Calgary has a population of over a million. It's also home to much of the Canadian oil and gas industry. Plus, I believe about 50,000 Americans live there because of the energy sector. It has an NHL team. It hosted the Winter Olympics in 1988. It's home to the world famous Calgary Stampede. Only an American would call Calgary obscure. Please, learn something about the world outside of the borders of the USA.
I agree, I shouldnot have said obscure town as I do know Calgary is a major Candian city.
I regret the error.
Out of the total hindu population, only about 1% is worth mentioning. The rest of your cow-crap eating population lives in filth and are crying to move to other places (namely in Muslim oil-rich Middle-Eastern countries where they work as slaves earning 40 USD a month).
True to his Muslim faith while Mr.Zakaria finds it noteworthy to highlight a Muslim mayor in an obscure Canadian town......he forgets his own Indian Indian stalwarts.........such as Governors of southern states – Nikki Haley (of South Carolina), Bobby Jindal (of Lousiana), and others such as Pepsico CEO Indira Nooyi, Astronaut Kalpana Chawla, Nobel prize winners – Subrmanyan Chandrashekar, Venkatraman Ramakrishnan, Hargobind Khorana, Amartya Sen and many many others.
......may be b'coz none of them are Muslim !!!!!!
Obscure Canadian Town?? Calgary is one of the LARGEST CITIES in Canada. Check your facts before you shoot your mouth off.
Out of the total hindu population, only about <1% is worth mentioning. The rest of your cow-crap eating population lives in filth and are crying to move to other places (namely in Muslim oil-rich Middle-Eastern countries where they work as slaves earning 40 USD a month). And while the Arabs make billions off their backs. It's a new caste system, get it?
Out of the total hindu population, only about <1% is worth mentioning. The rest of your cow-crap eating population lives in filth and are crying to move to other places (namely in Muslim oil-rich Middle-Eastern countries where they work as slaves earning 40 USD a month). And while the Arabs make billions off their filthy backs.
1 in 3 British Muslims OK to kill for Islam & 40% want Sharia Law – Dailymail -UK July 28th 2008
I'm not against immigration, but I believe the American policies are wrong. First, let's do away with automatic citizenship for children born here to parents who are not American. I know that'll be tough, but it just encourages bad behavior and it's bankrupting this country. I also don't buy the family reunification immigration. All immigration should be on a point system and everything should be done to discourage un-American policies, such as arranged and forced marriages. Immigrants need to assimilate and bringing in non-productive family who cannot work or speak English discourages assimilation. Let's face it immigrants are coming to the US to take advantage of the what we offer, and keeping backward customs in their home countries is better. With travel as it is, there is no need for reunification. Send money to your homeland and stop using the US social services.
Pakistani Americans’ poverty rate 3 times that of Indian Americans – Pakistan's #1 newspaper Dawn May 23rd 2012
Half of Canadian Pakistanis fall below the poverty line. – Dawn May 16th 2012
I don't see anything in this article that says that US immigration is either "broken" or "a problem
we have restricted immigration
we have illegals who have decided to take matters into their own hands
those are the only two issues of concern.
How exactly to restrict immigration and how to deal with the illegals.
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There is a BIG difference between "immigrants" coming here ILLEGALLY vs LEGALLY. I am so tired of hearing how the illegals are taking the menial jobs that Americans won't do. I live in Kansas and see everyday illegals holding jobs that pay $25 an hour and the ones who take those menial jobs are getting everything free from the State they can for their kids since adults do not qualify. It's a known fact they trade off kids to get more benefits but the SRS employees are NOT allowed to ask about citizenship. What American wouldn't do those jobs if they were given cheap housing, FREE food, FREE medical and FREE school for their kids?????? It isn't rocket science!!!
Mr. Zakaria,
Before you write artciles next time, please do some research. I am an immigrant myself, I came here in 1991 and became US citizen in 5 years. From the day one since arriving to the US, I had the same rights as any American Citizen, except not being able to vote, serve on a jury and own a gun. United States of America has best immigration policy. I would never be considered German in Germany or Italian in Italy regardless of my citizenship status. I may have an accent when I speak, but I have never been a subject of discrimination based on my ethnicity. Ask any immigrant in Europe, they are likely to tell you a different story. Immigration Service deals with significantly more people who wants to come here legally than Canada or Australia and the rpocess takes longer. I wonder whther any immigrant to Canada was ever provided with free court or medical interpreter, or were hired with the limited command of English. I doubt it has ever happened.....
How did you get citizenship in just 5 years since there is a requirement that you have to wait 5 years after getting greenc ard (residency) beofre applying for citizenship and then it still takes 1-2 years. To get a greencard, which is a pre-requisite, it also takes many years, unless you married an american or won a greencard lottery. Something doesn't add up in your story. Though, I will agree with the point that american's don't desriminate against foreigners the way europeans and asians do. And this is one of the greatest things about the USA , in addition to its being a country where laws are respected.
Dear Fareed,
You have raised the good point of broken immigration system in U.S. and need to fix this to support the country, I can tell my own story here I am struggling from last 12 years to have my permanent residency, still working as temporary worker, my first employer used me first five years and withdrew my application then I joined another company started with scratch with roller coaster ride of immigration system now waiting for visa availability no visa numbers are available for India and China, my kids grown up here and there are in their teen age now after 2 years one of them will be adult by then I don't think we will get our residency. It it difficult situation for us to maintain family this kind of situation restriction on every thing like driving licence, higher education, financial assistance, job, travel. I am paying taxes on time all these years without fail. I am getting old and no hope.
Come back to India. You will loose some and gain some. But you wont be dejected.
Exactly the problem! You work, your pay taxes, you contribute to society, but you can't get citizenship or even a permanent visa! But what about the illegals that just waltz over the Mexican border? Oh no, we are going to cater to their every need and desire. Free housing, free food, free health care, free education. We're even going to pay them ABOVE minimum wage while they take jobs from American citizens and LEGAL immigrants but don't pay taxes!!! American Poiticians are stupid.
The main point is if we let immigrants in.. let those who have high ability to contribute to the economy with high levels of education instead of letting those in who do very little for the economy. In the sense... let in engineers ... bio chemists... etc who can be creative and support economy.. but not those who do not have much education etc.. US gives more visas to reunite families vs to those who support the economy.. unlike Canada or Australia..
Send all Asian Indians back please ! it will solve all problems USA is facing. half the Google and Apple filled with Indians. All unemployed youth can easily replace those cheap laborers from India
I don't mind immigration as long as it is done legally. Illegal immigrants are scamming U.S. citizens as soon as they set foot in this country, from VISA overstays to illegal border crossers. Scofflaws only deserve deportation, because they will not make an attempt to get legalized. It's not that difficult or expensive, but they just won't do what is necessary. On the other hand, we traditionally welcome legal immigrants with open arms. So the bottom line for immigrants is: Come in legal or get out!
As usual we paint the picture that Americans don't want immigrants. FALSE, we do not want ILLEGAL immigrants. We cannot feed, provide health care and retirement benefits to the world. Most other countries have no immigrant problems because they ENFORCE their borders. Wake up everyone, let the discussion center on ILLEGAL immigration, not immigrants!
Come and visit, this country has gone to crap! We spend all of our time and tax dollars trying to pacify the immigrants, they have made a mockery of our consitution and rights, they do not play by our rules but establish their own cultures within our cities, the abuse the health care system, social systems and more... anyone that believes this article is a MORON. (not all immigrants of course, but a strong majority)
Good to hear from someone who actually lives in it. I've been a little curious about moving there for work since I can't find any in the U.S. Could you give some specific examples of not following the rules, taking advantage, etc.
BTW, I totally agree on the whole establishing their own cultural societies inside of yours instead of assimilating. It happens here all the time and I can't stand it. The U.S. is called the "melting pot" for a reason. Melt already!!!
Until we control our borders and resolve the problems with the huge number of illegal aliens already here, we should close all immigration. No H1-B's, etc.
hey ppl, it should not be about legal and illegal immigrants, it should be about immigrants that DO follow your law, pay taxes, want to adapt and learn English and about those who DO NOT. Not all the ppl who have papers are saint and not all the ppl who dont are bad.
If we would train our own people to do the jobs there would be no requirement for immigration. We have this high un-employment rate because we are not teaching the American children properly. Our schools are so full of illegal immigrants that we can't teach our own. Stop immigration and let Americans have jobs. Make sense to me a proud American.
Immigrants are great job creators?
YEAH. FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE WHO SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE! They only THEIR RACE!
YEAH. FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE WHO SPEAK THEIR LANGUAGE. THEY ONLY HIRE THEIR OWN RACE! They SHUN the indigenous race.
Another ignorant article. Most do not have any issue or problem with LEGAL immigrations. It is the ILLEGAL immigration that most take issue with. I am sick of the media failing to distinguish between the two.
•Big Corporations are lying off citizens but visa workers. Is that acceptable to you Mr. Fareed?
•Visa workers change jobs as often as a citizen would do, even in this rough economy. Is that acceptable to you Mr. Fareed? The visa worker is a contract worker who should stay in the job that he is hired and leave the country if that job is no longer available.
•Visa workers know the loop holes in our legal system better than most American lawyers. For example if you put them on layoff they figured out a way to drive taxis around metropolitan cities, because they don’t get unemployment benefits, but they make sure they stay here until they find next opportunity.
•Visa workers run businesses. For example, they own training centers, private firms and other types of businesses. Is that acceptable to you Mr. Fareed? Do you bring them here to make use of their unique skills for the corporation that hired them?. What about these illegal activities what agency is watching them? Our broken system ?
Do you think Obama or his team care, but they rather use this issue like footbal ball so they can impress Latino vote bank. Now wonder why GOP uses this issue to energize the far right Republicans.
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Anti immigrants tell us that the illegals taking all the jobs! Then the next time they say illegals are all welfare and food stamps! Which is it?
Illegals are not eligible for government benefits like food stamps, welfare, regular medicaid, or unemployment insurance! But the anti immigrants will not let that fact out.
In fact, "both" to your first question, and "yes they are" to your second. This may not be so in your state, but where I'm from, illegal immigrants work "under the table". So they are taking jobs from Americans and legal immigrants, but it's unofficial and they are technically unemployed. Because of this, illegal or not, their children all recieve a free education, free lunch, and the whole family gets free medical care, etc, all paid for by American tax dollars.
For an hour, why not try doing the work they do for you?
Stop immigation from lowering wages, no financially succesful country/region allows mass immigration, and if so it is a success in spite of and not because of it
Canada and also Australia now have smart immigration policies that take in talented foreigners who have skills the country needs and determination and drive to succeed.
It does not let everyone in, you can't just wander across the border and stay.
For every skilled legal immigrants, there are two or more unskilled illegal immigrants who make it possible for the skilled immigrant to work productively.
Since most of the legal and illegal immigrants in the USA are Mexican……….why hasn't anyone brought up the blaring contraction of Mexican immigration policy vs USA immigration policy?
Look it up, it's hysterical. You could wait a lifetime to become a citizen of Mexico (not that you would want to)!
Today, many Americans see immigrants as a danger to that dream? I call it BS. Its illegal immigration that is seen as the threat. According to the Border Patrol about 7 of every 10 individuals under 18 years of age, who were apprehended by U.S Border Patrol last year - 16,067 individuals - were unaccompanied, according to the latest federal statistics. The data show that the total 23,089 illegal aliens under age 18 were arrested by the Border Patrol covering all borders. Isnt Fareed Zakaria an immigrant? I bet he makes more money than i do. Yet all he ever does is slander the USA and praise Europe.
I entirely agree with you.
I am myself an immigrant from India (like Mr. Zakaria) and strongly believe in the fairness of most Americans.
And, on your comment about Mr. Zakaria being softer on Europe it's quite correct.........ONLY b'coz they are accomodating hordes of legal & illegal immigrants mainly from Muslim countries and providing them liberal dole, and ensuring that Europe is set on a path of SURE & STEADY ISLAMIZATION........which fits in well with Mr. Zakaria's overall agenda!!!!
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For every skilled legal immigrant, there are two or more unskilled illegal immigrants who make it possible for the skilled immigrant to work productively.
July 15, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Reply
I like Fareed very much as a reporter. He's very professional and very meticulous in his work. Regarding the Immigration topic; I think most people that oppose this article (or those who oppose immigration in this country) for that matter have erroenoeus preconceived ideas of what is really like to be an immigrant and what the benefits of immigration are to the country. Sadly, in my opinion; we as human beings have not really evolved beyond racism. Because that is really what the core of the issue is RACISM plain and simple. We tend to see someone who is "different" from what we are accostumed to seeing as "normal" as bad/criminals/ and every other negative connotiation we can possibly come up with when referring to immigrants. Maybe if we start seeing people (no matter their country of birth or their race) for who they really are as individuals; we can become better individuals ourselves and in the process better our country.
I couldn't help but notice that you do not differentiate between legal and illegal immigration. I'm also pretty sure it was intentional. That's what people like you do. This country was built by hard working LEGAL immigrants. The laws have changed over time for a very good reason. We cannot afford to keep taking in millions of poor, illiterate people who need help from the taxpaying citizens to survive.
We can no longer own slaves. So we take in illegal immigrants to be our slaves. The only difference is, the modern day slaves are free to leave and improve themselves. It is better than he slavery we practiced a long time ago when they were chained.
I'm so sick of this b.s. argument the left trys to shape by calling it "immigration". We don't hate immigrants! It's "illegal immigrants" we don't want in the country.
what shall we do with our lazy people over here where to send them?
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We have no way of determining which Muslims are Islamic supremacists and which completely reject Sharia law. Islamic supremacists seek to undermine and eventually overthrow democratic countries. Orthodox Islam has a political goal: the domination of Islam over all other religions and governments.
When Muslims move to a country, a certain percentage of them start agitating for special considerations. They start to organize and influence the nation politically in a way that is good for Islam and bad for freedom and equality. When the percentage of the Muslims in a nation's population becomes high enough, freedoms and rights begin to disappear.
Until we have a way of determining who is an Islamic supremacist and who is a heterodox Muslim, no more Muslims should be allowed to immigrate into free countries.
Does this seem extreme? It's not as bad as it might seem. Each country already chooses who can immigrate and who cannot. We are not under any obligation to allow anyone to immigrate who wants to. They do it with our blessing or they don't do it.
So this policy is simply adding to the already-existing filter.
This is not racist. Islam is not a race; it's an ideology. The policy of stopping Muslim immigration is simply acknowledging the reality of the Islamic teachings. If you don't know what Islam teaches, please take the pledge and read the Quran.
I think the author misses the whole point, perhaps intentionally. The issue was never about acceptance of immigration into the U.S. The issues arose from ILLEGAL immigration, those who can't or won't stand their place in line and follow the rules already in place intended to regulate LEGAL immigration. Over time, this author and others have dropped the word ILLEGAL from in front of any use of the word immigration and are trying to support the acceptance of ILLEGALS by blending and combining them in with LEGAL immigrantion, as if ILLEGAL immigrants are just another, acceptable facet of the topic of immigration as a whole . Immigration was not an issue until the heavy influx of ILLEGALS from Central and South America began to impact existing city and state services, education and our health care systems which were and are meant for the use of all citizens. Having to support additional, ILLEGAL squatters is what made this an issue.
Perfect summation!
It is the ILLEGALS that screwed up immigration.
My wife is from another country and we brought her here Legally and she is appaulled at how the US "allows" ILLEGALS.
Absolutely right. The author stated that Canada uses a point system allowing people in based on their skills, education, etc. I wish he had pointed out that the VAST majority of immigrants that come to the U.S. have none!! But that would be politically incorrect.
Immigration Laws:
1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.
2. All ballots will be in this nation’s language.
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.
4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote.
5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office.
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care or any other burden. Any burden will be deported.
7. Foreigners can invest but must be at least equal to 40,000 times daily minimum wage.
8. Foreigners can buy land with options restricted and no waterfront property.
9. No protests, No demonstrations, No foreign flag waving or organizing will be allowed.
10. Illegals will be actively hunted, sent to jail and deported if caught. All assets will be seized.
Too strict? The above laws are the current laws of Mexico.
lol, cool laws, i hope these laws bring prosperity for the nation lol...
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All Those Other Countries Have Border Control!
All Those Other Countries Have Immigration Control!
Besides with an army of drug dealers in Mexico, they better build that fence, wall, and ditch right across! Even nets into the ocean, there are now so many drug submarines!
All those other countries have Border Control.
All those other countries have Immigration Control.
I like Canada's plan. The problem with the U.S. is that we don't have those standards, we let anybody in becuase we have no standards! If you make it across the boarder illegally, oh well, we're not going to do anything about it. Immigrants that come here legally and more importantly, contribute to society, pay taxes, etc are not a problem. That improves the country. It's the ones that don't that I have a problem with. Where I'm from, the latter makes up about 95% of the immigrant population. Business owners in construction, plumbing and various other "blue collar" fields hire illegal immigrants to work under the table for anywhere from $8-$10 an hour, paying no taxes. But those same workers get food stamps, free medical care, and their kids get free education and free lunch all paid for by OUR hard earned taxes. I live in a college town, and between the 4 local colleges and 2 universities there are plenty of students that would love to dig a hole all day for $8 an hour, on the books, paying taxes. But none of the business owners will let them, they prefer foreign labor because it's less paperwork. Canada does not let in unskilled foreigners. Unskilled foreigners are the problem in the U.S., we are overflowing in them!
It seems Fareed Zakaria chose to ignore some important aspects of Canada's immigration policies and its effects when he chose it as the model that he thinks works.
http://zoltansustainableecon.blogspot.com/2012/06/fareed-zakaria-big-fan-of-canadas.html
We are not only losing in the area of immigration, we are also losing in the area of labor. Many of the cheap jobs that immigrants used to do, in areas such agriculture and being left undone, so that is going to cost to the economy. Also many of the immigrants that were professionals end up not working in their field or work for a fraction of what an American person would get paid for that job. But by being hired they allow companies to at least stay in business and keeping the jobs here in the states. The sad part is that we are shipping a lot of intellectual jobs to other countries like India, China, and an array of countries, where intellectual work is done at one tenth of what you would have to pay in the states. Unfortunately, that causes a bigger drain to the country, because at least when you have an immigrant work in the United States, more than likely that person will spend that money in the US and create more jobs as his needs for housing, food, entertainment, appliances are served here. I particularly would like to see more of the Canadian model in the US. As immigrants thrive, they create jobs for Americans, jobs that stay here instead of being exported to China.
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There are countless news story that immigration move was a political move. I don't think so because harry reid, president tried to help these kids trhough congress for three and half years. I think President genuinely feels that those kids need help desperately. Usually you try last available option when you're close to end of your administration. So, he did exactly that to help those kids after trying all the available options.
Obama is concerned that he's not going to have enough votes to win reelection so he's going to import illegal aliens. I think that's called subversion.
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Why do you and other anchors on CNN continue to inflame this issue encouraging others from outside this Nation to continue to enter illegally. We have immigration laws currently in place and as with all other laws they only have to be enforced. Despite what others would have you believe integration without National Responsibility will never work and by swearing an oath at the time of legal entry without all of the tenets that go with a legal orderly system is necessary. The need for dual citizenship is not needed in any case as an example, unless true National Loyalties do not matter to that individual or the Nation. English is the National Language and Christianity is the founding principles under which is was created. Stop encouraging illegal behavior. Report the news facts and quit dramatizing it..
California, which is in fiscal crisis, has massive numbers of poor immigrants driving down wages and using government programs. The white tax base has had enough and is leaving the state. California is a multicultural basket case.
We already have an overwhelming number of immigrants. Probably no one thinks in their sane mind how more immigration in an 8.5% unemployment and 2% economy will do any good.
What can be fixed is however, controlling the quality of immigrants. UK, Canada, Australia etc. are acting rationally because buys get to choose in a buyers market.
US is stuck in some arcane philosophy and weird policy that attracts massive number of low quality immigrants rather than limited number of high quality immigrants. Some lawmakers actually believe that such skill and qualification based system is a social engineering that will geopardize the social fabric of this country!
Funny how every Hispanic in the first pic is waiving an American flag. I guess their marketing dept told them that the big rallies of Hispanics waiving Mexican flags and demanding citizenship were not effective. Unfortunately, the thought process and loyalties of those involved haven't changed.
Yep, that is the media's propaganda vs. reality. I live in Turner, Kansas city KS. We are next to Argentine AKA little Mexico. You go to the "business" district and all signs are in Spanish and both homes, business and cars fly the Mexican flag. The local public library carries the free Spanish language paper that features the Latino of the month. Brown, eyed, black haired and Hispanic looking. Imagine a White power newspaper featuring a blond, blue eyed Aryan woman of the month?
I know somebody who has been here for five years. She is in 70's, she just became a citizen. She has no money or income from her old country. She is in subsidized housing (paying $25 of the $865 monthly rent), on food stamps, Medicaid and has a free cell phone with 250 free minutes a month. She gets cash from some program, don't know which. I have calculated the value of her "benefits" at just under $30,000 per year – she never worked a day in this country and never contributed a cent of tax to this country. Where is the fairness to the American taxpayer? Will there ever be an advocate for the American taxpayers?
Well, then her "sponsor" for her green card is technically liable for all this government benefits incurred before she became a citizen. By law, to give someone a green card they must have a sponsor who guarantees to the government that she won't be a burden to the government. That person must now be in trouble assuming she was on these benefits before becoming a citizen!
Learn your immigration laws! Too many myths out there about immigrants taking benefits.
And I know somebody who came to US legally on a temporary visa, couldn't renew it and keeps on living in US and paying thousands of tax dollars every year and gets nothing back, because they don't have a US ID and can't apply for any type of services. This is the usual case, not the other way around. Immigrants pay more taxes than Americans because they give and give and give, but are not allowed to take anything back. You do the math. I also know dozens of people who are considered legal immigrants because they married someone for a Green Card. Fake marriage is about the only way to get a Green Card these days, no matter how skilled you are, how many languages you speak etc etc. Total opposite of Canada, where education and skills come first. Conclusion: legal immigration=fake marriage, illegal immigration=no fake marriage. I know someone who has aGreen card from a fake marriage. He opened a business with someone with no fake marriage(no Green Card that is) , an a few months later the one with the fake marriage kicked out his business partner and stole his portion of the business. How? Hiw lawyer threatened the guy with no Green card with deporation and stole all the money he put into the business. He also wasn't paid for the 6 months of hard work he put into it. Tragic story. There is so much pain in a immigrant's life you cannot even imagine.
Technology transfers to China, outsourcing to India, China and other countries, employing Chinese spies in NASA and other industries, importing goods from China, employing sleeper cell memebrs in financial and IT/Telecom core places are the root causes for America to face all kinds of problems
this is aweful to people who were born here this is truly crushing the american dream my grampa was born in the u.s in 1920 91 years ago his parents came from scottland at that time there was a immigration that changed there lifes that was there dreams while they came from scottland i had other relatives i am a todd and they were there longer and eventually someone was born here and that was mary todd lincoln who married the u.s preident abraham lincoln a persuaded great things that this contry stands for and that is being abused.
yes the american dream is being crushed if you arent american and you are saying that thats bs you have no right to say that also to our justice system saying you cant efford foods and nothing is working look arounground at others this isent your country the american dream ended along time ago deal with it we work hard and our money goes to people like you who arent doing anything were farmers not foreign farmer famers teachers nurses docters ect were standing for something much greater than you think and crush that takes words away we die for our country for our flag to stand for what it says dreams came true for us when you plegue its not for you its for us for all our blood sweat and tears that this NATION WOULD BE ONE WELL ITS NOT NOW BECAUSE WERE CALLED LASEY AND THATS NOT US ITS YOU we all stand as one for evreyone but if you want that help youve lost it and we wont you out if you dont finish high school it does put shame to this country at least we give you colledge in other countrys you finish high school your done find living and they do it here you drop out we loose money and we have colledge but you never make it why risk that chance you probely couldent servive a day anyway when you see a president think
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not to have 6 social security cards, send money back home, and not to get free health care and a free education, and leave the US citizens holding the tab..
There are people who disagree with illegal immigration and that's fine. In fact, I am one of them. The problem is that there are many of those that actually disagree with both illegal and legal immigration but won't admit it publicly.
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Where in this article did they mention "illegal immigration"? No where.... America is perfectly fine with allowing skilled, disciplined, smart, non-criminals who can help our country grow. The problem is the ones who cut the line causing the immigrants who follow the rules to take a back seat. Yes, we also need the millions on day laborers from our southern border, but there needs to be a way they can enter and leave with our government "knowing" who they are, where they are from and what they want to do here. Is that so much to ask?
There is absolutely NO excuse to appease illegal immigration! Our economy is struggling as it is with high unemployment and gross underemployment. We no longer need any form of immigration. Any politician, business owner, or citizen who enables illegal immigration should be considered a traitor! The melting pot excuse is phony as well. You fill a pot with some of everything and what you get is slop fit only for pigs!
If you are truly for increasing the population, then advice American families to have four or five kids per family. But you don't do that. That means you have some other sinister agenda.
Legal Immigrants are good. Illegal immigrants are not. The fact that you do not distinguish between them is yet another sign of your hidden agenda.
Lack of border checks was good once upon a time. That was about the time each person who ventured out West was given 600 acres each. Giving out 600 acres does not happen now. Therefore, you cannot say that we should do now, what the USA did back then.
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I can understand the justification of allowing some immigrants to come to the United States when the unemployment rate is low but the last I checked, there are quite a few people out of work or underemployed. I think its self serving of the author to continue to push immigration to the United States. The "No Vacancy" sign is on Mr Zakaria!
i believe that their own countries are so corrupt that they come here to get away from it,yet they bring their own problems,disease,and customs and slowly do what no outside force has been able to do by war...............destroy the traditions and slowly ruin what was once a great country...it is to late to stop this,unless it is halted using force,and that cannot be done as it is to late into the process.
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Ever since the selection system of who could come to USA ,it has become a problem
Used to be poor people could immigrate but no more. The poor when they came, melted into the system and were grateful
to be here. Now when you apply for a visa, you have to show a bunch of money to.so you get people who come here and can never blend in!
thuh lottery is ya know, like, a tax for guys who are mean at math.
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because of her unfortunately i have loss her already and i was so
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I want for her and she start apologizing I accepted her.
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"Immigration lessons for the U.S. from around the world" Are you kidding me?? LOL. The US has the most liberal rules of any country and we are paying for it. Trying being illegal and get free stuff in Mexico or any country. For that matter trying being illegal in any other country or sneak across their border and see what happens. Europe is paying a severe price. How dumb can one person be?
We immigrated to New Zealand 8 years ago and it was definitley worth it, we love it here. I've put together a site for prospective immigrants with loads of useful info, from the immigration process to employment, living costs, education etc.
Have a look at http://www.sa2nz.com
The USA could stand to learn from other countries, but it will be hard–because one of the things the USA doesn't seem to do very well is admit when it is wrong–especially if that also means taking advice from other countries. If the USA can get over its "We are superior because we are the USA" mentality, then it might do better.
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