Immigration lessons for the U.S. from around the world
New citizens wave flags before being sworn in during a Naturalization Ceremony in October at the Statue of Liberty.
June 10th, 2012
10:41 AM ET

Immigration lessons for the U.S. from around the world

Fareed Zakaria looks at how the immigration systems work – and don't work – in Japan, Europe, Canada and the U.S. in the TV special: "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work" which aired on CNN on Sunday, June 10. Watch on CNN International on Saturday, June 16, at 4 a.m. and 9 p.m. ET

Immigrants founded America hundreds of years ago, coming to the promised land in search of freedom and opportunity, in pursuit of the American dream.

Today, many Americans see immigrants as a danger to that dream.

They worry that immigrants are taking their jobs, using government services and changing the country's national identity. The average American believes that 39% of the U.S. population was born abroad. The real figure is 13%, still the highest level since 1920.

Related: How much do you know about U.S. immigration?

Immigration is divisive, a wedge issue in this election year. But most Americans (73%) agree that the government is doing a poor job of managing it.

So, how should the U.S. handle immigration? Does anyone else do it better? What can the U.S. learn from successes – and possible mistakes – from other countries?

Let’s look at three examples: Japan, Europe and Canada.


Japan has one of the strictest immigration policies in the world and has historically been closed off to outsiders. It has a foreign population of less than 2% - six times smaller than the percentage of the U.S.

But what are the effects of keeping foreigners out?

Japan is facing an alarming labor shortage, says Robert Guest, the business editor of The Economist and author of "Borderless Economics."

Japan’s current population is around a 127 million. It’s on pace to be just 90 million by 2050, a drop-off of almost one-third. The nation is also aging. Almost one in four people are 65 or older – making Japan the oldest country on earth.

Guest says there’s a solution to the labor shortage: open the borders and invite more immigrants.

But that idea has hurdles.

“They don't have the idea that you can become Japanese,” says Guest. “And they don't have the idea that you can solve some of the country's chronic labor problems by importing foreign hands.”

In its health care sector, for example, Japan is estimated to be short almost 900,000 workers 2025. It started to invite foreign nurses, and since 2008 almost 600 have come to Japan.

But only 66 have passed Japan’s notoriously difficult nursing proficiency exam, which requires an expertise in written Japanese.

Japan’s health ministry has made the test easier, adding some English translations, but critics say it’s still unreasonable.

“It should be good enough that they are able to communicate verbally with people and that they are able to read the words they need to know for the tools of their trade,” says Guest. “It worked perfectly well in other countries.”

And it’s not just foreign workers who might run into obstacles. In some cases, it’s immigrants who have been living in Japan for decades.

In 1990, facing a labor shortage, Japan gave ethnic Japanese from South America long-term residence status, filling gaps in its workforce.

Japanese-Brazilians filled manufacturing jobs and became the third largest minority in Japan.

But in 2009, with unemployment running high, Japan actually offered money to them to leave the country – $3,000 for each worker to cover travel expenses.

And the flight was essentially a one-way ticket – anyone who took the offer couldn’t come back to Japan with the residence status they once had.

The government says it was only trying to help unemployed Japanese-Brazilians. They’ve stopped offering the deal and are reconsidering the residence status of those who took the money.

So if Japan won’t let in immigrants, what is it doing about its labor shortage?

It’s encouraging families to have more children, giving them $165 a month for each child. But that hasn’t been enough to inspire a growth spurt.


Europe faces a similar demographic crisis as Japan, but it’s trying a more open approach to immigration.

It’s easy to forget that the European Union itself is one of the most ambitious migration experiments in history. Half a billion people are allowed to roam freely within the EU’s borders.

Many predicted that swarms of people from poorer nations like Poland and Romania would move to rich countries like Germany and France. That never happened – only 3% of working-age EU citizens live in a different EU country.

But the EU has not dealt well with immigrants from outside its borders.

There’s been a nasty political backlash – with anti-immigrant parties thriving in Greece, the Netherlands and France.

Rather than rejecting these extremists, Europe’s mainstream politicians have pandered to them. Former French President Nicholas Sarkozy, British Prime Minister David Cameron and Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany have all declared that multiculturalism in their countries is a failure.

“They all agree multiculturalism is dead,” says Chem Ozdemir, born in Germany to Turkish migrant workers. “It's amazing that they agree on that, but they do not agree when it comes to euro and on other issues.”

Ozdemir, now head of Germany’s left-leaning Green Party, became the first ethnic-Turkish member of Parliament at age 28.

Now, he helps his nation to answer a very basic question: What does it mean to be German?

“Can you be a German and have a head scarf at the same time? Can you be a German and practice Islam at the same time?” Ozdemir says.

Jonathan Laurence, author of “The Emancipation of Europe’s Muslims,” is hopeful on Islam’s place in Europe. In a GPS guest post this week, Laurence writes:

The key development is that as the proportion of Muslims of foreign nationality residing in Europe decreases – because the number of native-born Muslims is growing – Europe’s democratic political institutions are increasingly kicking in. For decades, the absence of integration policy allowed foreign governments and transnational movements to capture the religious and political interests of this new minority. This wasn’t multiculturalism so much as indifference.

The series of terrorist attacks against Western capitals from 2001-2005, however, in combination with high unemployment and educational under-performance, ended Europeans’ hands-off approach. After leaving them outside domestic institutions for decades, governments gradually took ownership of their Muslim populations. Authorities began to treat Islam as a domestic religion and encouraged Muslims to embrace national citizenship.

In Germany, for example, the government has met with Muslim leaders at an annual German Islam conference since 2006, in an effort to better integrate Muslims with the rest of the population.

Germany and others are certainly making strides, but throughout Europe, there are still obstacles to immigrants’ inclusion.

So, is there any nation that’s getting immigration right?


If Japan’s strict immigration policy serves as a cautionary tale and Europe’s experiment is still a work in progress, then take a look at Canada – a nation with more foreign-born per capita than the United States.

Canada may not have the cache the U.S. does – but it holds great appeal for would-be immigrants, says The Economist’s Guest.

“Canada offers many of the same things that America does – a very high standard of living, the rule of law, peace, safety,” he says.

To determine whom it should let in to live and work, Canada uses a point system. You don't even need a job or employer, just skills. Applicants are awarded points for proficiency in education, languages and job experience.

Just why is Canada so ready to accept immigrants with open arms?

Because it has to be.

The nation is sparsely populated, has a low birth rate, and needs immigrants for population growth – and economic growth.

In Canada, almost two-thirds of permanent visas last year were given for economic needs – Canada's economic needs, that is.

The country brings in the majority of foreigners to fill labor holes.

Only 22% of its immigration was for family reasons: reuniting mothers with children, brothers with sisters, grandparents with grandchildren.

In the U.S., the opposite is true. Only 13% of green cards last year were doled out for economic reasons, while two-thirds were for family reunions.

When Nahed Nenshi became the first Muslim mayor of a major Canadian city in 2010, he shattered Calgary's "redneck" stereotype.

“When I was running for office, it was only people who were not from here who said ‘Whoa, is Calgary ready for a mayor like that?’” he says. “The people in Calgary just said, ‘Ah, it's a kid from the East End. We know him.’"

Canada’s real challenge, says Nenshi, is ensuring the economic and social integration of immigrants once they are living in the country.

“It's not about burkas and kirpans. It's about saying to an engineer who was trained in Iran or China, how can we get you working as an engineer instead of a janitor as quickly as possible?” he says. “These are very serious challenges. And we haven't got it right. But I would much prefer we focus our energies there rather than on these meaningless culture war discussions that occasionally crop up ... because those don't make a difference in people's lives.”

The public and Parliament in Canada generally support continued immigration. “Immigration is unambiguously good for the economy. We know that those folks come, they invest here, they create jobs, they work here,” says Nenshi. “There's not much of a policy debate on that in Canada."

While the prime minister of Great Britain, the former president of France and the chancellor of Germany have all declared that in their context multiculturalism has failed, that's not so in Canada, says Nenshi.

“I'm not here to question their reality. It's their reality,” he says. “But I think it's important for us Canadians, and particularly for Calgarians, to really tell a story loudly and proudly about a place where it works, where diversity works, where multiculturalism works, where pluralism works. It ain’t rocket science.”


Canada and also Australia now have smart immigration policies that take in talented foreigners who have skills the country needs and determination and drive to succeed.

As a result, they have transformed themselves into immigrant countries, with a foreign-born population that is higher than the United States.

Australia, which only 15 years ago had strong strains of nativism and xenophobia dominating its political culture, now has more than a quarter of its population as foreign born – double America’s share – and is thriving because of the economic growth and cultural diversity.

Canada's foreign-born population is almost 20%; the U.S. is 13%, just a little higher than Great Britain's.

Related: Why American needs immigration

The United States is not the world's only – nor the largest – immigrant society anymore.

And that will have consequences economically, culturally and in other ways, says Fareed Zakaria:

It's a sad state, because the U.S. remains a model for the world. It is the global melting pot, the place where a universal nation is being created. We may not do immigration better than everyone else anymore, but we do assimilation better than anyone else. People from all over the world come to this country and, almost magically, become Americans.

They - I should say we - come to the country with drive and dedication and over time develop a fierce love for America. This infusion of talent, hard work and patriotism has kept the country vital for the past two centuries. And if we can renew it, it will keep America vital in the 21st century as well.

What do you think? What can the U.S. learn from other countries' immigration policies? Share your comments below and check out some past responses.

Or see what Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach has to say, from this excerpt from "Global Lessons: The GPS Roadmap for Making Immigration Work"

and also New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg

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  1. Workswithhishands

    I thought the Immigration issue in the United States was solved in 1985? Why should I believe you this time?

    June 10, 2012 at 10:57 am | Reply
    • neff


      June 10, 2012 at 7:47 pm | Reply
      • Walter

        Looser? Is that someone who is loose or are you just as big a moron as you appear to be?

        June 10, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
      • Rags

        Your pants were falling done because they're looser. right?

        June 10, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
      • Go Away Invaders

        You are pathetic! You call someone a loser and can't even spell it? Go back to the country you crawled here from!

        June 10, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
      • sundroid


        June 10, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
      • j. von hettlingen

        Nippon is definitely hostile towards immigrants. There are hundreds of thousands Koreans and Chinese living Tokyo and Osaka for decades, without being given citizenship. As Nippon is overcrowded, the shrinking of population might as well be a blessing for the country.
        Spain had learnt a hard lesson out of immigration. After joining the European Community in 1985, swarms of Europeans from the North – thanks to free mobility – came to live on its Mediterranean islands. The country saw a massive property boom. Banks borrowed on international markets to lend to developers. The bubble got bigger and bust in 2008. Now Spain is asking for international help to bailout its banks. The government is too weak to help out as many banks will never get their loans back.

        June 11, 2012 at 4:25 am |
      • Fernando

        Leave it to Mr. Zakaria to push some Muslim agenda. That's his niche! It's two things Fareed: you have to fulfill a job need and you have to embrace the culture of the country. Don't come here if you want to go to Mecca.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
      • Oh really?

        For those that took the few lines of this article about Islam and turned it once again into snide remarks about Muslims, let me remind you that this is America. We have freedom of religion here. All religions. It is perfectly acceptable to be a Muslim in the US. Stop showing your ignorance by acting like all Muslims are terrorists. Do the world a favor and read up on the religion. You might be surprised to find that the founder of Islam (which came about 500 years after Christianity) said that Muslims should respect Christians as brothers. It is the ingorant and bigoted Muslims that have turned their religion into a weapon of war, much like you do, when you beat your chest and say inane things like, "Those Muslims should die, and Zakaria is promoting the Muslim agenda." Frankly, most Amercans are sick to death of the bigotry and hate you can't help yourself with. Get an education. Travel. You'll be amazed what a nicer person you eventually become.

        June 11, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
      • daveinil

        eh, hoser?

        June 11, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
      • Mexican$wagg


        September 11, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • neff

      what an a?s

      June 10, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Reply
      • Bob

        When you typed "looser" did it look correctly spelled to you?

        June 10, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
      • joe schmo

        Thanks for the laugh. Made my day.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
      • nef

        you meen spelt ?

        June 11, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
      • shaka kahn

        well trolled my friend...

        June 11, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Garland Ridge

      You have it wrong when you say "we do assimilation better than anyone else". What we(myself and everyone I've ever discussed this with) are sayng is that we don't mind immigration. what we object to is that this current immigration group is refusing to assimilate. They continue to speak spanish all of the time, they expect our stores to have everything labeled in spanish, they expect their children to be taught in spanis and to have all government services in spanish.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Reply
      • ReligiousGuy

        @Garland Ridge
        What has spanish speaking immigrants got to do with Chinese & Indian immigrants who has to wait for 20+ years for Green Card? This long wait is what is at question here.

        June 10, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
      • Pepinium

        Garland, I am a naturalized American , born in Cuba who came here legally 42 years ago. I have to agree with you. The thing that this article is leaving out is that, apparently, Canada and Australia get to choose who they let into their country while in the US we don't seem to be able to get our act together as far as controlling our borders. Controlled immigration based on a points system will always work because you can let people in slowly enough to allow enough time for assimilation (my parents got here too old and never learned English but in my house that is the language we speak 99% of the time and my kids definitely do not need or expect to be addressed in Spanish anywhere !!) and you can leave out the human refuse that countries south of the border are kicking our way.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:48 pm |
      • handzcats

        Your accusation is not completely right, some of the immigrants have no extra money & time to learn English. Once they landed here, they work around the clock to make sure they have enough money to save or send back home. A lot of them want to go to school but the financial pressure suppress their desire of leaning English, as a result, they've to be around their folks or community. They do want to and envious-not jealous, those who can learn English.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
      • TomCom

        Look at our prisons. How many Asian prisoners? How many Latin?

        June 10, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
      • Gary

        It is not the same world as before. Plus the quality and reasons to immirgrate here is different, so that is why you can change the laws to adapte to the time. Immigrants want to use the old law that are good for their situation but America needs to bring in what it needs to make the country better, not go back in history. So if people want to come not to assimilate or make the country better than why come???

        June 10, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
      • foreigner

        did your grandpa learn the language of the natives when he migrated here?

        June 10, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
      • TheOtherMike

        In the states ceded from Mexico during the Mexican American war, the treaty that granted them to the US stated that they would continue to do business in Spanish.

        June 11, 2012 at 11:21 am |
      • jheron

        If the parents don't assimilate, the children do. It has always been the case.
        And maybe with a better immigration system, you may be able to make a bigger dent in illegal immigration ( which has dropped 66% since the bush years).
        It is a joke that people do not have rights in the U.S. for 8 to 20 years while they wait for a green card. 8 years is about the average people from Canada have to wait for a greencard...Americans working in Canada get one in about a year...but their spouses can work immediately unlike the U.S.

        June 11, 2012 at 11:34 am |
      • John

        handzcats, you're full of it. I work at a public library in a neighborhood of about 200,000 Dominicans. We offer 100% free English classes. The 30 spots never fill up. Walk out into the street, and see how many people are milling around, smoking weed and whatever else.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
      • Mop

        no extra money & time to learn English. .....

        My grandparents came from Sicily (1934) and only spoke Italian.
        They came with a book to learn English, while they where working.
        They integrated well enough to start thier own business.
        There is no excuse.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
      • Anirudh

        I am a naturalized US Citizen from India, and I have to disagree with you. I came here with my parents for economic reasons and a better way of life. My father had to wait for a few years to just obtain his visa to work. You can't group everyone into one group. I have assimilated into the "white culture" and I'm happy about it. You can't use one example and generalize it to every immigrant in the entire country. It's like saying you are white, so all the people must be white.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
      • Youngster

        That is a fair question. I cannot speak for other immigrants, but my father has taught us that since we were in US, we had to learn English.
        My dad ran a small mom & pop store and did not take any english class. But what he did was to get himself a dictionary and look up any word he did not understand. Each day, he would grab a patron and ask him how to pronounce certain word, etc. He still speaks with a rather thick accent, but he is able to carry on conversation about Sports, politics, or other subjects. As for myself and my sister, we both completed Honors level English in High school, completed college (My sister is a doctor and I am an IT professional with graduate degree) So... I really think not having the ability to take class is excuse. If you have desire, and is motivated enough to do it, you can do it. Rome was not built in one day, as the saying goes. Learn 4-5 vocabulary a day, and in 5 years, you'll have impressive command of English.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
      • ab77

        Well then that mistake is ours, for not having an official language.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
      • Francisco Alvarez

        My first language was Spanish but by the time I was in fourth grade 90% of the time I was speaking English. I don't think I've ever ran into a native Spanish speaker who demanded signs in Spanish. When I worked in retail my manager always said that bilingual signs only made the atmosphere more welcoming and resulted in increased sales. Those signs do discourage immigrants from learning English, for obvious reasons, but assimilation is not corporate America's problem. All they care about is money. Like president Clinton said, in the last 15 years we've given corporate America more and more power but have absolved them from more and more civic and community responsibility.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
      • legal immigrant

        Why does any accuser not distinguish between legal immigrant and illegal immigrant? I am here legally and I was welcome to this nation. Illegal immigrants are not screened for disease, self-sustaining capacity nor moral history. They jcusually are a burden to the country and deplete funds meant for legal citizens.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
      • Dave

        Well said Garland! Assimilation is the key!! Fareed's piece was not an intelligent discussion on immigration. It was a pro-immigration slanted piece. That's fine, but be honest about it. I love how he calls anti-immgration people "extremists". Doesn't sound like to much open dialogue there Fareed.

        June 11, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
      • bdog821

        Gee, I didn't realize the Native Americans had a national, centralized government in place when the forefathers arrived.

        June 11, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
      • Ivonne

        I agree that if immigrants want to live in the US they must assimilate and learn the country's language. I myself am from Mexico and I speak, read and write better than my husband who is American, in fact I'm an English major. What I don't agree with is the fact that people are just ignorant to the fact that we need immigrants for the economic health of the country. We have crops going to waist in some states because no American or America-born immigrant for that matter would be crazy enough to do the back breaking work for so little. But immigrants gladly will because its still more than what they are earning back in their countries. At the end of the day, they just want to work and support their families, just like everybody else. Lastly, to the writer who stated that only Indian or Koreans have a 20+ year wait for a green card, you are very much mistaken. My parents had to wait 22 years for their green card and they went through a much more stringent process because of the fact that they were from Mexico. Please don't assume that we have it any easier.

        June 11, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
      • eroteme

        Assimilate? Why should they, we are presssing 1 for English, English is not so easily found on goods we buy.

        June 11, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
      • James

        You are so right, they do not want to assimilate or learn English despite classes being offered for free in my sanctuary city. They are to take whatever they can grab, show blatant disrespect for Americans and engage in criminal activity. Oh, and begin the reproduction dance beginning around twelve (such good catholics) while paying for nothing in relation to the birth or support of all the anchors

        June 11, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
      • Catherine

        Ivonne, if we need unskilled, uneducated labor to work in agriculture we can create a guest worker program. But it makes no sense to allow the legal immigration of millions of unskilled and uneducated foreigners (largely from one country) and raise barriers to educated/skilled immigrants.

        Your parents came legally – good for them – but the reason for the wait was that legal immigration policy tries to limit immigration from the same country so as not to create ethnic enclaves. Lots of luck with that though, given the massive amount of illegal immigration from Mexico.

        I reject the argument that illegals are no different from legal immigrants like your parents. Your parents respected our laws and did it right.

        June 11, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
      • Lindy are an English major and don't know the difference between waste and waist....god help us all.

        June 11, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
      • Reagan's ghost

        It's nearly impossible to be an illegal immigrant from Cuba given the preferential treatment afforded to Cubans. Whole different ball-game mi amigo.

        June 12, 2012 at 2:00 am |
      • rileebrown

        TheOtherMike: Please refer to your source for this information. An academic journal article, an approved online version, etc (i.e. not a wikipedia source). I haven't studied the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in very much detail, but I do not recall reading what you have stated in your comment. Thank you!

        June 12, 2012 at 6:53 am |
      • Rita

        These immigrants that u say expect us Americans to cater to them in Spanish is incorrect. The immigrants just appreciate the kindness that some American businesses give by providing the information in Spanish.

        They know that when they come here, they are not to expect anything. When we Americans say they drain our system that too, is incorrect. Most immigrants avoid going to hospitals because they know that they could face deportation; And they only send their children to our schools because the law requires them to.

        Immigrants don’t receive food stamps, their American born citizen children do. We spew all this incorrect information about them and the sad part is that the rest of the American population catches and latches on to this, holding it as gospel without knowing the real truth.

        June 12, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
      • James

        Ha, known as a global melting pot. We are known as global suckers for those who come here and get fully supported by American taxpayers.

        June 12, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
      • Bernardo

        We all pride ourselves in saying that we are a nation of immigrants. We all have serious issues, however, when we realize that we actually are a nation of immigrants.

        June 17, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Galactus0099

      Many Americans has short memories when it comes to recent US history. In an effort to be humane the Federal Government gave amnesty to of 3 million illegal aliens in 1986 and the result is we now have 11 million illegal aliens in 2012. It seems that Liberal based CNN does not think we should enforce the law and deport the 11 million illegal aliens living here now, but it is the only real solution.

      June 10, 2012 at 9:09 pm | Reply
      • Rags

        It has little or nothing to do with CNN. They just mouth words but don't make policy. It's the republicans that have held up every thing we've ever tried because the republicans are bigots and cannot stand to see a President that has skin different than theirs.
        Time to rid the word of Republicans. Deport them all! NOW!

        June 10, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
      • Ralf The Dog

        ... and those Immigrants are making this a better country with a stronger economy.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
      • Pepinium

        Galactus, the detail that you are conveniently leaving out is that it was the conservative "God-President", Ronald Reagan who approved the 1986 amnesty. Don't be so quick at throwing labels around, many of your conservative "business leaders" have made a fortune using the labor provided by these illegal immigrants.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
      • Doug

        Liberal.. What ? Bush really cracked down right.. NO.. you are a fool !

        June 10, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
      • TomCom

        Funny, our liberal president has deported more illegals than any other president in the last 25 years.

        June 10, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
      • H57

        Rags you are a dumb phuck Democruts and need to leave this country now.

        June 10, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
      • foreigner

        there are actually 200 million illegals here,from europe.

        June 10, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
      • LenaSaz

        America has a national debt of approximately 14 trillion dollars. What can our country do to stop this spending? Statistics show that 338.3 billion dollars are spent on illegal immigrants in America annually. (3) This amount alone would be enough to stimulate the economy for the real citizens of this country. If we were to tighten border security, we would be able to cut down our debt. Therefore, to minimize national debt, America should tighten border security and thus stop spending money on welfare, Medicaid, and education for illegal immigrants.

        June 11, 2012 at 12:05 am |
      • Doug

        You know, many Americans has no brains to , but hows counting ?

        June 11, 2012 at 1:02 am |
      • Matt

        I mean, that's hugely expensive, impractical, and unreasonable, but let's not let that get in the way

        June 11, 2012 at 2:09 am |
      • Mop

        Federal Government gave amnesty to of 3 million illegal aliens in 1986

        Yup, Ronald Regan.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
      • Randy

        What you are forgetting about 1986 Amnesty is that part of the deal was for the govermnet to secure our borders. 25 years later we are still waiting for that to be done. Get the whole story, not just part of it.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
      • Ivonne

        Wow illegals arecriminals, ignorance in the flesh ladies and gentlemen. What is the difference between illegals and homeless people? How about that illegals are not homeless and they don't steal, they work, yes illegally, but they work, they earn a living. This is criminal how dare they work for a living! These people leave everything they know behind into the unknown for their love and duty to their families, this is my book doesn't make them the dumbest people in the planet.

        June 11, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
      • Catherine

        Pepinum,the 1986 amnesty was supposed to be a one time only event to provide legal status to millions of illegals. It was supposed to be matched with employer sanctions and status verification for employment.

        25 years later and the number of illegals is more than double what it was then. A Pew poll conducted in Mexico a couple of years ago disclosed that a full third of respondents said they would illegally go to the US if the US gives amnesty .

        June 11, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
      • Reagan's ghost

        Actually that would be employers and politicians. Nothing to do with the media.

        June 12, 2012 at 2:02 am |
      • Counting

        I'm fine. Thanks for asking.

        June 12, 2012 at 2:04 am |
      • Kelly

        @ Counting....
        your response to Doug made me choke on my coffee. ROTFLOL

        Thanks for making my day!

        June 13, 2012 at 3:17 am |
    • booskooo

      Fareed should go back to India, we don't need him.

      He does not fit in.

      June 10, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Reply
      • Rags

        He fits in much better than rednecks and haters like you, booskooo.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
      • Demographer

        For every alien that is allow to reside in U.S. (or any other civilize country), one less American child will be born. That is a law of demoghraphy that most people do not understand and media do not wish to note. If U.S. employers need more slave labour, how come millions of young Americans are uneumployed? It is all propaganda spread by shifty academics, alien controlled media and greedy employers to allow more cheap labour to the U.S. While they profit, the American nation pays the price. In time this will lead to a national suicide of total exetermination of the White Americans. Blomberg talked about national suicide and he need more invaders to bring it about.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
      • Ralf The Dog

        For every smart person who immigrates to the United States, one fewer, less than competent person, will be born. I don't care what a person's skin color or their religion. I just want the best and the brightest to come to this country. We also need to find a third world country willing to take our native born people who graduate with a C average.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
      • sundroid


        June 10, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
      • tony

        Rags.. Fareed can pander jihadists better than you... get the hell out of here.. you go to india and start pandering jihadists..

        June 11, 2012 at 1:01 am |
      • Kinda Odd

        ...RIGHT, and his facial expression @ the top of the page looks like he should've taken a dump a couple weeks a go...or at least put more fiber in his diet?

        June 11, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
      • Jean Malloy

        Like Tweetty Bird "Twa" he "Twa a Puddy Cat"... I Twa Fareed twas Twa-Middle Easterner!

        June 11, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
      • Fearless Freep

        I keep forgetting.
        Fox stopped people from posting so the sludge of humanity
        is spilling garbage here.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
      • niagara

        Fareed is exactly what your country needs. A smart clear thinking person. If you don't wan't him he'll be welcome in canada.

        June 16, 2012 at 12:02 am |
      • niagara

        Immigrants are important. If you live in America for your whole life you are American. Also, if you come and are committing to the economy why should they be deported?

        June 16, 2012 at 12:05 am |
      • SouthernCelt

        He may be an American citizen, yet he constantly complains about things in this country or tells us we should be like other countries. Heresy! Our ancestors came here because the rest of the world sucked. Why should we care what the rest of the world does or thinks? There are legal ways to enter this country for industrious people that will contribute to the economy instead of sucking it dry. Illegal aliens are just that; illegal. Crime has consequences. The Federal Government won't do anything about it so the States affected by it have to do something.

        June 25, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • msgfromme

      So I am without a doubt going to step in a pile with this post...

      What is the common underlying issue alluded to in this article and honestly the biggest elephant in any countries living room? ISLAM! We in the U.S. are all up in arms about the mexican illegals, but when you take a look at he real problem that is growing in the U.S. and has already manifested itself in all of Europe is the unbelievable problems that come from a large muslim population and with it their absolute goal to bring their Sharia BS law and muslim beliefs into being as they get sway.

      They do not assimilate or try to better themselves, they instead work to change the laws and cultures of the country that they reside in.

      I understand diversity and open thought, but muslims simply do not belong in any western culture. They should never be allowed to even walk on our shores, much less be allowed to immigrate.

      As I said when I started, many will brand me a bigot and scream freedom of religion blah blah blah. I would say them they are bigots also, as no one is truly without prejudice... If Muslims are OK, what about Fascists, Nazis, Communists, etc... etc... should we really open our arms to everyone?

      June 10, 2012 at 9:27 pm | Reply
      • dnnis

        Well said. I agree.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
      • Ralf The Dog

        Those people I know from Islamic nations, came here to get an education. Most have a Masters or a PhD. Do we want them to go back home and help their own countries outperform ours? Do we want them to create new jobs in their old countries and take them away from America, or do we want them to make this country a better place and help us out compete the world?

        June 10, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
      • Socrates

        Sad American – always the victim of ignorance. The Muslim population in Canada has been there for years and has no problems fitting in. If you continue to hold the differences of someone else against them, they'll never have a chance. As a Canadian, I am proud of the diversity and ACCEPTANCE of other cultures. What's your excuse?

        June 10, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
      • Rob

        Just because Islam works in your country doesnt mean it works in Europe where more first generation Muslims can immigrate easier. When a population is there for many years in small numbers there more or less forced to assimilate over time. Europes problem is that they refuse to assimilate even after multiple generations.

        June 10, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
      • leer

        What a completely unfortunate and goofy statement. Muslims, FYI, are born, or convert to, the religion of Islam.....they have no connection with warped ideologies like communism, fascism, nazism.....all three of which originated in, and were practiced in Christian countries !!!!!

        Ignorance is like an exotic flowert....touch it and the bloom is gone. Oscar Wilde

        June 10, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
      • Steve

        Ralph – Osama had a PHD in Engineering. So we should keep him? You think the ability to get educated means that your a good American? That your loyal? And yes I wish they would get educated and go back to their country...and fix it. If the 3rd world countries gets an influx of higher educated people (who are not religious zealots) then humanity as a whole is made better.

        June 10, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
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        June 10, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
      • Clashofignorence

        Check out Aga KHan development website to learn more about Islam and what real Muslim are doing in the world

        June 11, 2012 at 12:20 am |
      • Chris in Canada

        msg... not a clue. In Canada, our Muslims are great. They fit in, vote, run for office (AND get elected), go to regular schools, etc. Sure, many dress unusually (to anglo eyes), but honestly, you don't even notice after a while. They're just Canadians who happen to be Muslim. I've worked with dozens, known just a few socially, and dealt with hundreds who work at stores and as bus drivers, etc. and I would say that, on average, they are friendlier and gentler than the average Canadian, whatever that is. Of course, some are jerks; most are wonderful.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
      • Don

        msgfromme, what you say is just not true about Muslims. Listen to our neighbors from the North. They're not making this stuff up. I live near the border of Canada and visit their quite ofter and even have friends there. In cities like Toronto and Montreal, you can see this for yourself. You should be worried about Mormons, not Muslims.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
      • Mop

        When my Grandparents came here, Italians and Irish where treated like dirt.
        Its a shame, but it seems like every ethnic group has thier own brand of hazing.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
      • Anirudh

        I know you said you will be degraded by this post, and I believe you should be. Muslims don't want to "take over" the country. They just want to live their own life. And their children will become assimilated into western culture. What irks me is that the quintessential white American wants to change the country more drastically than anything. From open immigration to none at all? Without immigration, the US would be completely shoddy. Here in Minneapolis, some engineering firms don't have enough people to hire so they have to go to other countries. To solve the "bad" immigration problem, education needs to be improved.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
      • Darryl Miller

        The major problem America now face is a overwhelming number of American as well as immigrants fighting for the same jobs. Companies lobbying for the foreign worker ease access into the United States workforce putting more and more American out of work. The bottom line is companies on care about the bottom line $$$. Yes, lining the pocket with green and Governor Romney has already promise that he will give them a favorable status in helping to outsource more American Jobs to other countries.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
      • CAIM

        I'm Canadian and agree you have a very valid point, since if any Christian wanted to move to any of the muslim countries they would want to kill us. Unless they try and become Canadian or American those who don't try to integrate only confirm what you said. They cannot come here and be who they were there, these are developed countries and they need to not cause problems. It's the resistance to change that is the problem on both sides.

        February 9, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
    • Ralf The Dog

      The immigration problem is, we don't have enough. Have you looked at the percentage of Fortune 500 companies that have been founded by immigrants or their children? Have you looked at the percentage of companies of all sizes that are founded by those who moved from other countries. Your children and grandchildren will need companies to hire them. Those companies will be owned by people who moved from other countries or their children. Your children and their children will need managers to tell them what to do and how to do it. Those people will be immigrants.

      June 10, 2012 at 9:43 pm | Reply
      • jack

        Provide your address, we'll make sure you get enough to neighbor you ! AH !

        June 10, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
      • Ralf The Dog

        Jack, better an immigrant than a Republican.

        June 10, 2012 at 10:32 pm |
      • Rob

        yes ralf everyone knows republicans are the worst neighbors, god how i hate the way there always mowing the lawn, taking out the trash and asking how my day went. aaarg!

        June 10, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
      • H57

        Ralf you are really stringing it from make believe to reality aren't you? You need to get a grip on yourselves and get some rest. Read a book, get educated and come back later.

        June 10, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
      • concerned

        Ralf (I like your display name btw), sorry to say I don't agree with you. Don't you have any faith in people who were born here or came to the U.S. as children – that they too can create companies and jobs for thousands of U.S. people? Take Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, & others I can't think of names who started companies in the 1800s & 1900s. Henry Ford for instance too. What gives you the idea that only Foreigners who come here to study will create tomorrow's companies & corporations? I think this country has a problem with employing their own people and inequality especially. A lot of kids do not grow up in a healthy environment where they can excel and reach their full potential. It can be either the case of bad parenting or not living in the right area (in which there are better schools). I think rather than bring in foreign workers or keep foreign students (who have graduated) – this country needs to train/educate its own people and especially those who never got the chance to reach their full potential. And yes too, I mean the thousands that are currently unemployed. Some of us have our degrees, but employers do not wish to hire us – but instead turn to younger educated workers or those younger foreign-born who by a lucky chance have gotten some work experience. These days its all about experience and who you know – more than education anyway.

        June 11, 2012 at 1:14 am |
      • flames

        The question is if the so called native american population is willing to take up the jobs available. In a society where priorities have been misplaced and graduates possess no interpersonal skill, focus on frivolities such as video gaming and other extraneous activities as opposed to engaging in productive activities, you should know that the objective of the business man is profit maximization and only those willing to contribute to the bottom line are employable. Most American youth have egos that are way up the meter and are generally uncoachable

        June 11, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
      • Anirudh

        Concerned, you are partially correct. The US work force has to be more educated to work in the booming fields of math and science. In Minneapolis, my hometown, engineering firms have trouble hiring American workers and once I got out of college, I got a job relatively quickly because of the demand. The demand results in the higher immigration rates. I believe that immigration should increase until the US worker is educated enough to fill up the demand for these types of jobs. Until then, it will be difficult for the country to move forward without rampant immigration in these fields.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
      • myself

        well said Ralf. you've done ur reseach.

        August 7, 2012 at 11:03 pm |
    • Greedy bailed out banker

      Greed is gooooood. We need unlimited H-1b outsourcing visas. more mega profits for me 🙂

      June 10, 2012 at 10:17 pm | Reply
    • Jefferson

      Are you implying that Saint Reagan the Benighted's amnesty program in 1985 did not solve the immigration issue? That would imply that Saint Reagan was wrong. Next thing you know you will claim that he raised taxes twice, sold weapons to Iran, illegally funded a covert violent revolution somewhere in central America, and that even his " tear down this wall" speech had zero impact and that the wall did not come down =untill two years later after he had left office and that event had absolutely no connection to any American policies whatsoever but was caused by internal German politics.....

      June 10, 2012 at 10:26 pm | Reply
      • doughnuts

        Ronbo raised taxes 11 times.

        Obama is a far better Republican than Reagan.

        June 11, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
      • Catherine

        Jefferson, the 1986 amnesty was a one time event and was to be paired with strong employer enforcement and worker ID requirements. So given the failure of the 1986 amnesty why should we do it again?

        June 11, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
      • Reagan's ghost

        Perhaps we could do it better this time. Not just the easy part. What are the alternatives? If you want the immigrants to go away – how would you do that? even if it were possible it would be very very expensive. Then when they're gone all crops will likely go the way of those in Georgia. As has been said before even with high unemployment, US citizens don't want to spend long hours working in the hot sun.

        June 12, 2012 at 1:49 am |
      • Daniel the Electrician

        I get so tired of hearing how if we do not allow ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS that our food will spoil. The immigrants that come from other countries WITHOUT going through the propert steps ARE DOING CONSTRUCTION NOT PICKING FRUIT. This is not ANTI Mexician, Muslums, Indians. Irish or any of the other ethnic groups that are in the San Francisco.THIS IS ABOUT THE AMERICIAN WORKER WHO'S JOB HAS BEEN GIVEN TO A ILLEGAL (for less pay)

        June 15, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • humberto

      Meanwhile Sen. McCain, who was involved with a cyber attack against an independent nation wiyhout approval of the commander in chief, The US PRESIDENT, still attempts to dupe the public of the money they , Sen McCain and others in his criminal cabal who still are liable for kidnapping and supporting a criminal regime, intend to make, by duping the US citizens .

      June 10, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Reply
    • seafighter

      For every talented,hardworking and educated immigrant there hundreds of leechers.Most immigrants don't offer any special skills that can't be found in America.I don't know if it just me but most immigrants I talked to despise this country.America should definitively be more selective in immigrants.

      June 10, 2012 at 11:23 pm | Reply
      • disgustedandamused

        The skills can be found, thats true. The US still produces more science and engineering graduates than any other country. It's just that we still need even more than we produce. Bringing them in from other countries is not a bad thing. Science, math and engineering graduates earn good money and, hence, pay a good amount in taxes. They are easily a net gain, not a net drain.

        Immigrants with little or no education are more of an issue. We have plenty of dumba**es here already – more than we know what to do with.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
      • JOSE-USMC-0311


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    • Reece

      The statement of immigrents has benifited America,who do you think you are fooling, not an American,becouse the taxes we the Americans pay takes care of the immigrents and gives them a free ride, and maybe one day they might pay taxes whell let me tell you, there are alot of Americans sick of hearing people like you. You proberly got a free ride to. THINK ABOUT

      June 11, 2012 at 12:44 am | Reply
    • joseph w. ryder

      Isreal got it right, said there weren't enough jobs for citizens and aliens to go around. Same in this country not enough jobs for citizens and illegals. Government doesn't care as long as they get elected, and Americans have no say losing homes and jobs to ones that have more rights than citizens, I'm 88 and fought in ww2 I didn't fight for what we have now. We through education versus good old boys, Educated now have us seventeen trillion in debt. Washingtom thru Carter U S A never new a trillion dollar, debt thats more than two-hundred years of good old boys doing what's RIGHt, for its Citizens.

      June 11, 2012 at 10:08 am | Reply
    • obama

      obama says if a miracle happens and he gets re elected he will continue his work to force all latino's out of america!

      June 11, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Reply
    • simon

      immigrants used to come to the us for as much politican as economic reasons. many of the south of the border immigrants are here for economic reasons only. the money they earn is mostly send abroad and not spent in the us for goods and services. on the other side of the balance scale they do prrofit by the use of taxpayers roads, hospital, welfare, housing, etc, and utimately return to their country of origin upon retirement having saved sufficiently to live comfortaly there. immigrants from the east,namely islamic have shown in other countries even in the arab spring that they would like to have shariah as the law of the land, even piecemeal. first introduction of the veil, then the full burka and then followed with the family restrictive laws. i forecast that when any minority in a country achieves critical mass of people demand will be made by mass street and violent activities. the critical mass is here defined as one in which sufficiently large mass of people is present so as not require outside connections of the group.

      June 11, 2012 at 2:53 pm | Reply
      • Reagan's ghost

        So you think immigrants don't eat, buy clothes, pay rent, pay utilities, etc.

        June 12, 2012 at 1:52 am |
    • Terry

      I'm from Canada – and they have not got it right – the Muslin's are becoming a problem, just like they ARE a problem in England – oh you did not even look at England – it's a mess. Canada's close to a mess. The USA has it about right. since some many want to come here – ensure they are educated, law abiding people. Those are the hoops I had to jump to get here.

      June 11, 2012 at 3:03 pm | Reply
    • playtrombone

      AMEN! I have no problem whatsoever with someone who wants to come to our country and become part of our culture that does so through legal channels. I DO have a problem with people who enter the country illegally, and I resent that my tax dollars go to support them.

      June 11, 2012 at 3:30 pm | Reply
    • Rick

      Why should we listen to a Muslim lover from India?

      June 11, 2012 at 7:55 pm | Reply
      • Reagan's ghost

        Exactly. Why listen to educated people making reasonable observations. Who needs that eh?

        June 12, 2012 at 1:55 am |
    • Reagan's ghost

      Ooops looks like I only implemented the easy part of the agreement.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:43 am | Reply
    • Dott

      We have this high un-employment rate because we are not teaching the American children properly. Our schools are so full of illegal immigrants that we can't teach our own. Stop immigration and let Americans have jobs. Make sense to me a proud American whose ancestors fought for the USA over the years. America owes these new people nothing and owes it's current citizens an education and a good paying job.

      June 12, 2012 at 9:56 am | Reply
    • jjheinis

      The case for imigration restriction is lost. It is a fait-accompli that the US is the magnet for migration from east-Asia, Russia and Central America. Fareed Zakaria is but one example of this fait accompli. The days of Dick and Jane are long over.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:30 am | Reply
    • TZXrSmith

      This country requires NO immigration of "high-skill" workers at this time. We're closed. There are enough highly educated and talented people living on unemployment right now and they needs the jobs that are available here. We're closed. Check back in with us in a few years. In the meantime, enjoy your home, be it New Delhi, Shanghai, or wherever....

      June 12, 2012 at 1:20 pm | Reply
    • TZXrSmith

      High-skill immigration is encouraged by industry and the right wing simply to decrease the wages of high skill workers.
      Fool us once, shame on you.
      Fool us twice, shame on us.
      Try to fool us a half dozen times with varying legislation year after year, and please just get the he** out of the country and don't look back.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Reply
    • Midwestern Cowboy

      Anti immigrants tell us that the illegals are taking all the jobs! Then the next time they say illegals are all welfare and food stamps! Which is it? Can't be both, liar.
      Illegals are not eligible for government benefits like food stamps, welfare, regular medicaid, or unemployment insurance! But the anti immigrants will not let that fact out because the media is against immigrants.

      June 12, 2012 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • smitvict

      Typical liberal. Using the term "immigration" to try to justify ILLEGAL immigration. We failed in 1985 because we gave amnesty and then did NOT follow through with enforcing the border. Just like we will do again if we give amneisty to illegal aliens.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:02 pm | Reply
    • William

      That is because Amnesty does not work. It only encourages more to flood our borders. We need a good fence and a much better work visa program.

      June 13, 2012 at 7:34 am | Reply
    • TJ

      The problem wasn't solved in 1985/86. It was solved in 1953, when 1.3 million illlegal aliens were deported with "Operation Wetback". The problem we have today was STARTED in 1985/86, when, to satisfy liberals, Reagan granted millions of criminal illegal aliens amnesty. That was all folks in other countries needed to hear! It opened the floodgates for illegals, believing it would only be a matter of time until the next "amnesty" event.

      Subsequent presidents failed to address, at the time, the continued growing problem with illegal AND legal immigration. (Main problems with LEGAL immigration is its difficulty, expense, and that it takes years... too slow.)

      And that all brings us to today's illegal immigration crisis (and it IS a crisis, though oft swept under the rug by many, and minimized by others).

      June 15, 2012 at 12:32 pm | Reply

      Job creators? Hold on a second. They are not creating jobs for Americans. They are destroying jobs for Americans. The H1B visa has been a disaster for ALL US workers, especially US STEM workers. The vast majority of these workers are cheap entry level third world workers, primarily from India and Communist China. You might wonder what technology in which India excels. Well, India leads the world in corruption, bribery, and fraud. If you want to import more "entrepreneurs" from India, it would be well advised that we beef up our extradition treaties with India first. Because we are importing loads of crooks from India parading themselves as "entrepreneurs."

      It is curious that you would have Mayor Michael Bloomberg giving testimony about foreign entrepreneurs. He has an interesting story to tell about his CityTime project in which he managed to take a project that was estimated to cost $60 million and so far it has cost the taxpayers of NYC over $700 million because he chose some Indian "entrepreneurs" to staff the project with cheap, entry level workers from India instead of highly skilled, well educated US STEM workers.

      I doubt that Fareed Zakaria will spend any time talking about the "entrepreneurs" that staffed the CityTime project. Zacharia has another agenda. But you can read that story here:

      This debacle began when Mayor Bloomberg personally issued a "conflict of interests" waiver to SAIC to manage the project for NYC and Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Then Bloomberg and SAIC chose a company, named TechnoDyne, owned by two Indian "entrepreneurs," Reddy and Padma Allen, to staff the project with H1B visa recipients from India instead of highly qualified, well educated US STEM workers. The cost of the project has skyrocketed from an estimate of $60 million to over $700 million.

      After massive costs overruns and arrests for bribery in the Bloomberg administration, the Allens have escaped back to India before they could spill the beans on other members of the Bloomberg administration for bribery and fraud.

      It seems that NYC is a hangout for many of these Indian "entrepreneurs" that have brushes with the law. NYC is also the home of Sant Singh Chatwal, who has filed for bankruptcy at least 62 times and has been unable to pay his property taxes in multiple locations in multiple continents, but Chatwal still has enough money to funnel millions of dollars into the pockets of Bill and Hillary Clinton. On a recent visit in which Bill Clinton accompanied Chatwal back to India, Chatwal was arrested for some of his "entrepreneurial" enterprises in India. Chatwal performs the same business tactics here in the US, he just has more powerful friends here.

      You see, Zakaria does not frame this story in its true context. He talks about "entrepreneurs," when in fact many of these "entrepreneurs" from India are not entrepreneurs at all. They are crooks, who often escape back to India after their fraud in the US has netted themselves a handsome bounty. So before allowing more Indian "entrepreneurs" into this country, first we should beef up our extradition agreements with India.

      June 24, 2012 at 6:42 am | Reply
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    • Matias

      Well, I will quickly state my story. I was brought to the states at the age of 8 from Argentina. I did not ask my parents to bring me, but they did it for me to have a better life and for the whole family as well. I grew up here and yes i obtained residence through other means, but originally my parents had overstayed their visa. The point is, they came here to work! They did not come to this country to steal from the government or live for free, they worked and paid taxes! Even without a social security number, the IRS gives an ITIN number so that you can report taxes. Me, i grew up here... my friends are from here, I AM AMERICA. I will even serve in the US Navy come next August. I would have been devasted if i had turned 18 only to realize that the country i've pledged allegiance to since i was 8 years old hated me and wanted me out. An immigration reform is needed. These 11 million people will not self deport. It is ignorant to say that or to say lets kick them all out. It will not be effective nor will it work. We need a reform!!!!! And trust me, my parents dont speak fluent english but they try. My mom really does try, at the courthouse or at the local store in the mall. ..she tries to speak this language. We love this country, we feel American.... we need to reform the system once and for all. charge a fee, it doesnt matter... but ignoring the fact that there are people living in shadows in our country, or that people are scared to call 911 in our own country? It is disgusting. That is not who we are, that is not who we will be.

      October 30, 2012 at 1:30 pm | Reply
    • Sensiblevoice108

      Immigration is an issue only during election time. In the recent elections we witnessed Obama taking a cheap shot by offering guest worker program!,

      Rather than fixing the legal immigration system due to which US is losing significant talent, entrepreneurs and investments, cheap politicians use immigration to win the Latino votes. Not because it is important or because they love Latinos, just VOTES & ONLY VOTES.

      November 23, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Reply
  2. deep blue

    It is always easy to get a strong majority to say that the government is doing things wrong, such as 73% who say we do immigration wrong in the US. Those 73% definitely do not all agree on what we need to do moving foward.

    Personally, I think that the student visa to work visa plan introduced by Represenative Rubio in the House of Represenatives is a good solution. We are educating students all the way up to phd in STEM fields and then kicking them out of the country. That is just throwing away the return on a significant investment. Let these graduates stay, bringing in investment dollarsm by increasing the quality of our available workforce. Let them stay to build their own businesses.

    June 10, 2012 at 11:38 am | Reply
    • Save-our-nation

      I agree with your view point completely. We allowed foreign students to come here and after educating them we somewhat "forced" them to leave instead of giving them a chance to find jobs that will benefit our nation while we accepted many who came here legally or illegally to take advantage of our social services. I would suggest we have a system of social service by merit (like finishing a required education in exchange for helps. I know some states are doing that. But we need to do more.).

      June 10, 2012 at 8:15 pm | Reply
    • tzrxsmith

      It's a lie that American high-tech companies like Google and Microsoft lack qualified American candidates for job openings at their companies. Their fabrications receive legitimacy when they financially support the campaigns of senators and congressmen up for election. There are more than adequate numbers of American engineers here, available for work at a moment's notice. There is agonizing unemployment among American's high tech workers. This "STARTUP 2.0" bill is another, more massive H1-B program designed to do one thing: reduce the price of high tech labor. That's it. The truth is that companies are starting to fret over their Indian outsourcing efforts because the labor rate is increasing there dramatically. Faced with the distasteful prospect of having to hire domestically again, these companies want their new labor force on the cheap, and they'll buy politicians to do it. These immigrants will have, according to Warner of Virginia, " cards stapled to their diplomas...." Is that what we want for an immigration policy? These faux-immigrants are being USED to reduce the cost of labor, and this act will further agonize the lives of hundreds of thousands of unemployed American engineers.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:19 pm | Reply
      • oodoodanoo

        Funny, I'm an American who got his PhD in STEM here in America. The other STEM students were overwhelmingly foreign. That was 20 years ago. That was when outsourcing and H1-Bs were just a tiny blip. So don't say kids were discouraged by job prospects back then. Foreign labor was a non-issue.

        I doubt that kids decided to join STEM in droves after that.

        Where are all these hidden American engineers of which you speak? As far as I could tell, most people my age were trying to cash in on every bubble that came along, or were studying BS subjects like English.

        No, we as individuals gave up on STEM because it's just too hard, long before the excuse that "They took our jobs!" became fashionable.

        Microsoft, Google, and others are hiring foreigners because what they said is true. There aren't enough good engineers being raised here.

        June 10, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
      • TopSkills23

        Yea, the H-1b and L1 outsourcing visas have destroyed innovation in the US. Before these corrupt visas, the US had top talent. Now we rely on lower skilled visa workers and the economy is failing. Thanks in large part to the H1b and L1 outsourcing visas

        June 10, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
      • Aruna Hollingshead

        This is the truth and nothing but the truth. Zakariah is looking through rose tinted glasses. Canada's policies were broken 20 years ago. Highly qualified English educated professionals are made to pay colossal sums to migrate. They are made to wait 3-5 years before their appointments while they do menial jobs. Those who come single must wait for a minimum of 5 yrs before they reunite with their families. Unproductive senior family members are allowed in who do not contribute anything to society. Naturally we are 25 yrs behind USA. Canadian politicians are professional liars. Everything looks good on paper. All that is white is not snow in Canada.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
      • ncsam

        "American high-tech companies like Google " – You mean that same Google whose co-founder was an immigrant? Get a clue before posting such silly comments.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
      • Manuel J.

        txrsmith.... do you work in the tech OR other industries requiring engineering, math, and other such degrees? I think not.

        About 20 years ago, we were short engineers and technicians for semiconductor-industry positions. We did NOT have an alternative to H1-B candidates. Then, as now, not enough people are choosing the math and sciences so as to position themselves to qualify for those positions.

        To be blunt about oodoodanoo's point... quit whining and get the damn qualifications. It is people like you who are GIVING the jobs away.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:37 pm |
      • DSmith

        High skilled well educated legal immgrants are a blip on the radar screen. The rest are illegal uneducated poor peasants with no job skills, no money on a bee line to the welfare office.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
      • concerned

        Thank You tzrxsmith. I could not have said it better. That is exactly what is going on. Corporate America is only looking for CHEAP labor There are Americans in Silicon Valley (with degrees) who are unemployed or under-employed. I have a friend who husband got his degree in his forties (math-related – a bachelor's then a masters). He is under-employed in a job with no benefits. Now, I don't understand how the U.S. government and Fareed Zakaria want more Americans with degrees to continue to be unemployed or under-employed. I don't think CNN does their research and takes notice of the other side of the problem. There is just not enough jobs for everyone – lets face it. We can not let the whole world into the U.S. I don't care how smart and bright they may be. I'm sure we have a good number of smart / intelligent people who can do the work. These employers just need to lighten up & start hiring the unemployed (& under-employed) – who have degrees, of course. A little training is probably all that's needed.

        June 11, 2012 at 1:37 am |
    • tzrxsmith

      It's a lie that American high-tech companies like Google and Microsoft lack qualified American candidates for job openings at their companies. Their fabrications receive legitimacy when they financially support the campaigns of senators and congressmen up for election. There are more than adequate numbers of American engineers here, available for work at a moment's notice. There is agonizing unemployment among American's high tech workers. This "STARTUP 2.0" bill is another, more massive H1-B program designed to do one thing: reduce the price of high tech labor.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Reply
      • Pcar

        It is true! There are not enought qualify Americans for high tech jobs. I worked for a high technology company and one of my main job was to find qualify people for the job! We did not have much luck! The bad thing we were not able to hire Non-citizens since many of this jobs were goverment projects.

        June 10, 2012 at 8:54 pm |
    • nslvlv

      As a graduate student about to finish a Ph.D. in chemistry, I am looking forward to about a 42% chance of being employed ( This idea that they're isn't enough STEM students is a lie. I've seen plenty of graduates go on unemployment or change careers because chemistry jobs are being shipped overseas. Yet colleges keep pumping out more Ph.D.s year after year, so that they can earn more money. Don't get me wrong, I feel that immigration reform is necessary, and where there are gaps in employment, work visas should be granted. But with unemployment in the US somewhere between 8–12%, we need to be careful about not replacing workers that are already struggling

      June 10, 2012 at 8:59 pm | Reply
      • Ralf The Dog

        Perhaps, we just don't have enough graduates that can match the standards of those born in other countries.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
      • sharonphilip

        If you get a job in a non profit organization like an University, you are guaranteed a H1b visa. It will be easier to get a greencard in 3 years tops.

        June 10, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
      • concerned

        yes, true. Must be very careful. Many employers just want to hire the younger, cheaper foreign work force.

        June 11, 2012 at 1:45 am |
    • Rags

      Who says we're 'kicking them out"? Maybe they came here for the freebies then, after they got what they wanted, they decided to leave. Seams reasonable that users would do that.

      June 10, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Reply
      • jen k.

        what freebies? From what I know, foreign students pay nearly DOUBLE the tuition of students from here. Also, there aren't too many scholarships made for them or they are even qualified for here.

        June 11, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Ralf The Dog

      I have an old friend from Greece. She has her Bachelors degree in Math and her Masters in Education. When she came to an American school to teach as part of her education, their math scores jumped. Now she is being forced to go back to Athens. How is this good for America's ability to compete?

      June 10, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Reply
      • concerned

        Well, it opens up a position for an American teacher. The hiring personnel just have to be careful to hire a teacher who is just as good. In positions such as those there is normally a 6 month or 1 year probation to see how a new worker (or in this case – teacher) does. It is important though to hire a qualified teacher who will be able to improve test scores. I'm sure there are such people currently available here in the U.S. already.

        June 11, 2012 at 1:51 am |
    • alan

      Her family was illegal, she and her family had good years, free schooling, free medical, and probably a free college ride. I did my 20 years in the USAF, Paid for both of my sons college, why should i pay for foreigners? if you come to this country, you should be legal, self sufficient, and want to become an American the right way.
      i disagree with the dream act. I disagree with the military portion too, once they become U.S. citizens they bring the whole family over, oh yeah, mom and dad are elgible for social security, medicare and medicade, so I still pay. illegal is illegal.........................

      June 11, 2012 at 3:06 pm | Reply
  3. james davidson

    Can anyone tell me why the German government or any other government would meet with Moslem leaders over the issue of immigration. Don't we accept people from other countries based on their merits? What has religion to do with it? I'm quite confused

    June 10, 2012 at 11:40 am | Reply
    • Marc

      We don't accept people based on "merits". I wish we did! It would be wonderful to allow people in based on our needs, instead we allow them in based on their desire to be here.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Reply
    • HillClimber

      Your're confused? I don't see anywhere in the article how we are going to get the immigrants off my land. Confusing article – please tell me, when do the aliens leave?

      June 10, 2012 at 8:37 pm | Reply
      • Nina

        @hillclimber...unless you are native, asking when the aliens are leaving your land is unfair as you are the alien and only you can tell the natives when you are leaving!

        June 10, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
      • Rags

        @hillclimber...unless you are native, asking when the aliens are leaving your land is unfair as you are the alien and only you can tell the natives when you are leaving!

        Time out, Nina. I'm not an indian but I am a native American. I was BORN here!

        June 10, 2012 at 9:50 pm |
      • @hillcimber

        You're right. Only the real native americans should stay. Probably that over 200 million of us should go back, right?

        June 10, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
      • Croyd

        Lead the way since this isnt your land

        June 10, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
      • Rob

        native Americans are immigrants too, they just here before we did

        June 10, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Denise

      The German government met with the Islam leaders to discuss the religious ethics curriculum in schools, and independently from this, encouraged the appointment of university professors who educate school teachers in this field. Before that religious education was left (and is still left in cases where parents send their children to such "schools") to so-called Koran schools with questionable expertise and sometimes a tendency to indoctrinate attendees. My personal opinion is that the "Islamic Leaders" the German Government contacted are far more conservative than most of the Turkish people living in Germany, and therefore was not supported by the immigrants or their descendants.
      In addition, in Germany the Church is not totally independent from the state, the taxes for the Church are collected by the Government, though individuals can object to pay these taxes if they wish. Therefore, giving conservative "Islamic Leaders" more financial support through a state-financed system is not necessarily a step forward but may be also a step back.

      June 10, 2012 at 9:57 pm | Reply
  4. forumsforjustice

    first things, first

    over 7 million illegal immigrants are working in non-ag American jobs

    There are existing federal laws, against illegal immigrants, being in our United States.
    We, the people, do not care what race, nationality, ethnicity, religion, or color, someone is,
    if they are here illegally, they have absolutely no right to be in our United States,
    let alone working, in our United States.
    We, the people, don't care about political parties, or their platforms,
    We, the people want our existing federal laws, against illegal immigration, enforced.
    We, the people, by a very large majority, want ALL illegal immigrants, out of our United States.

    June 10, 2012 at 11:43 am | Reply
    • neff

      oh please get al life already

      June 10, 2012 at 8:04 pm | Reply
      • jen k.

        Neff, I dont think forumsforjustice has a problem with immigrants who came here legally. I am a second/third generation American, and I honestly only have a problem with illegal immigrants. It's not fair that they receive benefits that even the middle class cannot receive. How are these illegal immigrants having children, getting healthcare for free when many of those in the working and middle class have to pay every single penny out of their pockets? I also have an issue with the lack of assimilation in many of the illegal immigrants, but it seems like we're babying them. My grandparents and my parents learned English in their former country, but also continued to practice it when they moved here. They used it because that was the way to communicate and live here. Im not saying that English should be the official language, but we shouldn't be babying many illegal immigrants with translations for EVERYTHING. One more thing, another thing that irks me is when people fail to see that there are many caucasian illegal immigrants as well as those people who immediately label minorities (Asian, Indians, Hispanics) are immigrants.

        June 11, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Fighting Irish!

      Wow, couldn't have said it better myself! My heritage is from Ireland. My great-great grandparents came to the U.S. via Ellis Island. There, they had to take a series of tests and proclaim their loyalty to the U.S. Like stated, I have no problem with immigrants coming to America. That is what founded our Country. But, to have people come in illegally, take up our tax dollars through government programs, is just wrong. Why should I pay for the illegals? The other issue I have is language. For all these years, we have had a large influx of German, French, Russian, and other foreign speaking nations, immigrate to the U.S. I don't pick up a consumer product and see their ethnic language printed along side english. No, you only see the hispanic language on consumer products. To be fair, if the U.S. is going to print instructions, nutrition, etc... in the hispanic language, then I think it should be printed in German, Russian, French and any other language of the many different ethnic groups we have in the U.S., not just the hispanics. Or, they can do like my ancestors did and learn to read and write in English!!!!!

      June 10, 2012 at 8:27 pm | Reply
      • 1Comment

        Your ancestors were Irish so they ALREADY spoke English. "The Irish people, when unloading from the boats, were laughed at, and then were made to move their families into a small area that consisted of only Irish people. Segregation for the Irish people was immediate from the citizens of the United States..." ( Your immigrated ancestors were being discriminated against just as you discriminate against today's immigrant. Because of your ancestors, YOU my friend should be even more tolerant.

        June 10, 2012 at 8:51 pm |
      • Michael Brown

        Ummmm, no 1comment, he should not be tolerant. Why should we have to learn spanish? Do you know that in many cities along the border, you will NOT be hired if you don't speak spanish? That is in the United States of America that you will not be hired unless you speak spanish. There is no need to be tolerant in that situation. Also, illegals do not deserve any sympathy. When the going gets rough, you make a life. You don't go to the US and steal money from American citizens by using social services. Hundreds of millions if not over a billion is easily being spent on illegals every year. Tell that to every US taxpayer why they should be "tolerant". My fiancee is a LEGAL immigrant and i'll bet she'll tell you to go fug yourself too.

        June 10, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
      • jen k.

        I dont have an issue with Hispanics. But my friend who works at Sears told me that many times, she has Hispanic customers ask her "why dont you know spanish" and complain. LOL All I could do was crack up laughing. Seriously? Why dont they learn English?

        June 11, 2012 at 10:23 am |
      • Francisco

        Um...I see instructions in French on 90% of the merchandise in stores! I think people just notice the Spanish because they want to be antagonistic. Hispanic is not a language, its like saying someone speaks Hibernian. Hispanics are white people from Spain. And yes, there is no need for other languages on merchandise but it makes the box more generic and therefore easier to export to Canada, New Zealand, Australia, and South America.

        June 12, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Rags

      I totally agree!

      June 10, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Reply
  5. .

    Okay. Here's how it works: You guys came here illegally. There are far too many of you to be thrown out. You can stay, but you'll have to register as a guest worker and pay taxes. And you don't get the right to vote because that right is reserved for people who came here and went through the immigration process LEGALLY.

    And the Democrats and their friends in the public sector unions will have to grin and bear it.

    June 10, 2012 at 12:45 pm | Reply
    • steamroller

      @ Try to stay alert: Not a bad idea. This could be the beginning of realistic expectations.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Reply
    • Henry

      I really don't see why that would upset Democrats as that seems to be closer to the position the Democrats endorse than the position the Republicans endorse.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:32 pm | Reply
    • 1Comment

      It sounds like you want to pay immigrants slave wages.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:42 pm | Reply
      • Rags

        If they're here illegally, then yes. Slave wages are all they deserve. Remember when slaves were stolen from their native lands and brought here by our ancestors? Were they paid higher wages than illegals? What's the difference between illegals and stolen slaves?

        June 10, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
  6. Bob M

    Countries with successful economies will always have some degree of immigration problems. It is up to all the governments of these countries to implement humane and reasonable immigration programs. Each country will have their specific growth needs. Immigration problems are also effected by the economic or political problems of neighboring nations. Perhaps a website addressing all the potential immigration solutions by country review and reader suggestions could be helpful.

    June 10, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Reply
  7. joseelr

    Mr. Zakaria,
    I suggest to you that US is no longer the model for the world re immigration. As for multiculturalism, pluralism, etc... Canada has it right. Even though we don't, as you say, have the same "cachet" as the USA. What hogwash..... Peace, order and good government... healthcare, sane policies, good economy, home ownership, education, etc.... long life, I could go on and on.... No place, Mr. Zakaria, is perfect – but, please – let go of the arrogance.....

    June 10, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Reply
    • MP

      I dont know what immigrants in canada do for work, I dont see any in alberta doing real mans work (oil, agriculture) thats what fuels canads economy right there... guess the liberals set em straight and told em its easier to collect benefits than work hard.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:04 pm | Reply
      • outta

        I live in alberta.........immigrant employment is at 90% in canada overall.....NO ONE WORKS HARDER THAN AN care food.....oil name it........albertans are working, and as we only have 5% unemployment of course immigrants are working.....

        June 10, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
      • Albertaman

        I'd have to disagree with you. I run business in Alberta and from time to time I go to place I call hell. It's a foundry with sparks flying all over, noise dirt poisonous gasses and hot and heavy metal pieces moving around you... I don't see a single white person working on the floor there, only East Indians are motivated to work there. Interestingly, the business is run by a US company...

        June 10, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
      • Dr Dr..

        I lived over thirty years in Canada no one day I was unemployed, non in my family has ever being on welfare or Unemployment Insurance payments, same as me thousands of imigrants have had the same experience..
        I am sure some imigrants abuse the system, however they are the execption not the rule..

        Viva Canada

        June 11, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
    • Vic

      Immigrants in Canada struggle to make a living! And I am talking of US educated immigrants. Are the Canadians really expecting their immigrants would go and explore the "New Found Land"?

      June 10, 2012 at 8:31 pm | Reply
    • Ker Communications

      I have to agree that Canada does get it right on a lot of things – here are more details about the Federal Skilled Worker program:

      As for the rest of the "cachet", Canada indeed does look pretty good when you start to look at the reality of it: Why You Should Move to Canada
      Now before some misguided patriot tells me to move to Canada if it is so much better, let me say that one of the things that has always made the USA great is our ability and willingness to recognize problems and change for the better. I still believe we can do that, despite our apparent increase in cultural and political pig-headedness.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:38 pm | Reply
    • Rezz

      I agree.. Canada vs US is a no brainer for new entrepreneurial immigrants looking to start a business. In the US you hear of people choosing to work at Walmart just so that they get healthcare, essentially wasting their potential.. Immigrants choose Canada because they wont go bankrupt due to an unforeseen health issue (most immigrants are not hired immediately so they worry about healthcare). If the US doesnt fix its healthcare greed, which costs 17-18% of GDP (and not insuring 1/6th of them) and is robbing Americans of their productivity. Add in crazy education costs, then not much will entice the global masses to embrace the US as a place to raise your kids

      June 10, 2012 at 9:45 pm | Reply
    • Raedwulf

      I'm another Albertan, also a first generation Canadian
      My parents came over from Germany in the early '50s
      My mother worked as a maid for a number of years before moving up to a Nurse' assistant.
      My dad worked in mines, worked in a dairy, worked in slaughterhouses, eventually retiring as a school caretaker.
      Where I work now in the Oil/gas patch there are a number of Chinese, a few Russians, and a number of other nationalities, all of these people had skills when they came over. None were afraid of grabbing a shovel and 'digging in'

      June 11, 2012 at 3:44 pm | Reply
  8. Archie

    I loved this episobde. I had come to the US to study in 7 years ago. I still havent got residency. I have plans and ideas that i want to implement but am unable to do so. Whats more..the startup that i worked for went through rough times and i found myself desperatly jumping from one job to another,,just so that I can maintain a legal residency here.... 6years..
    I feel like a hamster on a wheel ! So im LEAVING ! Goodbye USA !! Toast – to a better future out east !!

    June 10, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
    • tzrxsmith

      I'm glad to hear you're leaving. We used you to reduce the price of high-tech labor and now we don't need you anymore, so goodbye! Tell your friends back home what America is really like!

      June 10, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Reply
      • Archie

        what if I am successful at creating 10 more jobs in my new country....
        I could have created them here instead !
        And i'd be hiring them for a much lower cost !

        June 11, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
      • akismet-68278f9e65e53cdb8d90b63a25f3d251

        Great – so an ambitious intelligent person comes to the US to get an education and wants to stay. Our system fails to allow him to stay so we could all benefit from his ideas and intelligence. And short-sighted buffoons can't wait to see him leave.
        So what are we left with? Lower "high tech labor" costs because the jobs went where the innovators went – to countries that welcome them... and a bunch of fools who think that immigrants are the problem. The problem is not people who want to come here to learn and innovate; but the widespread rejection of intelligence, innovation and apparently common sense by the people who already live here. Like the older lazy bum at the office who constantly sabotages the young go-getters – you wouldn't want all those foreigners hanging around making you look bad would you?

        June 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • oodoodanoo

      Good luck, Archana. Sorry to see you go.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:26 pm | Reply
    • va te faire encuver

      étranger de merde...tu dois être chinois....asiatique de merde

      June 10, 2012 at 8:47 pm | Reply
    • concerned

      yes, good luck Archie. At least you got some work experience (better than any work experience I've had recently). Now, at least you've seen what it's like here (not so much the American dream of the 50s & 60s). If you're under 40, I'm sure you'll do fine in whatever country you're going.

      June 11, 2012 at 2:09 am | Reply
      • Archie

        thanks ! I loved my stay, my program & work here and I will miss it sorely

        June 11, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
  9. DSmith

    So a person from India is going home after being educated in the US and will hire 100 workers to build his business there instead of California. Heck, Apple engineers came up with some game changers and shipped tens of thousands of jobs to China? How did American workers benefit from that?

    June 10, 2012 at 2:01 pm | Reply
    • judgeroybean

      I had the same reaction. I use PayPal on occasion. It is headquartered in the US, but call its 1-800 and you get the Philippines. Ditto with Dell; you get India. And on and on. Does anyone really think that the jobs created by this guy would have remained primarily been in the US? They would have been outsourced, folks.

      And there is an even deeper problem. This guy just took the Amazon model and applied it in India. Well, I guess Fareed forgot to mention this, but India has a highly protected market that prevents a company like Amazon from simply extending its operations there. So what you have is an Indian national taking an American model and applying it India, where no Americans need apply. I would hardly call that a successful innovation.

      Just like so much of the talk about globalization, this is all a one-way street. US companies are not allowed to operate freely in India, but we in the US should lacerate ourselves for not handing out green cards to thousands and thousands of Indian computer programmers each year. Why? It is not that there are not Americans who are not trained to do these jobs, or who do not want them, but just that they will not do them for the same low wage as the Indians, or work overtime without pay and all the other things the H1-B visa program allows Microsoft et al to extract from its foreign workforce. And it is not as if there are not plenty of US entrepreneurs that have ideas about creating Internet businesses either. This notion that we have to import thousands and thousands of people from the developing world in order to have creative and innovative minds is preposterous. It is just another fig leaf for continuing the reckless immigration regime that has helped to drive down wages in sector after sector of the US economy for native born workers. If you do not believe that, talk to a native born computer programmer about the H1-B program.

      The only thing this CNN segment lacked was an official endorsement from Bill Gates.

      June 10, 2012 at 2:31 pm | Reply
      • DSmith

        You are right. Who is to blame? Mostly corrupt American Congressmen, who on the take for campaign contributions, voted in favor of NAFTA, WTO and China trade agreements. They sold out the middle class working people for the money it takes to stay in office and should be strung up Texas style; you know, where you can bring your blanket and picknick basket and watch them swing on a sunny Sunday afternoon and laugh at the bottom of the rope jerk.

        June 10, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
      • concerned

        Horay! judgeroybean! You said it! I'm glad there is someone else here posting who sees what is really going on in reality. I don't know who is paying CNN & Fareed Zakaria to promote more foreign immigration to the US, but they have to understand that there are people here, raised here, & fully educated here that are suffering from being unemployed or underemployed. There's no need for more foreign workers at this time. Let's just further educate and/or train the people who have been born or raised here their entire lives.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:29 am |
  10. judgeroybean

    In the last few decades, the US has kept its economy going by a series of bubbles. The last of these, the real estate bubble, led (along with NAFTA and the effects of the last amnesty) to that "great sucking sound" on the southern border whereby the US brought in at least 10 million people from Mexico and Central America from 1990 to 2005. Now the boom is over. But those illegal immigrants, who should never have been allowed to come here in the first place had the law been enforced, do not want to go home.

    Well, sorry, but no amount of logic chopping, or phony statistics about crime and health service consumption like those offered by Mayor Bloomberg (whose city subsists on illegal immigration, since it has a massive tourism and convention industry built on low wage illegal labor, so asking him for an honest opinion about immigration is risible), is going to change the fact that US citizens want the current illegal immigrant population repatriated.

    It is an old, discredited claim that illegal immigrants take jobs that US citizens do not want. US citizens do not want these jobs in part because they are low wage and non-unionized, but if the scab labor provided by illegals were repatriated and the immigration laws were enforced, many of those jobs would become the medium wage, unionized jobs for US citizens that they were before the illegals poured in. Anyone who doubts this should look at the history of the meat-packing industry, where decent unionized jobs were reduced to slave wage jobs for illegals. But the same is true of the restaurant and hotel and motel industries, which were partly unionized and paid much better wages prior to 1990.

    The best jobs program for the US worker is a tight labor market. Having 12 million + illegal aliens, most of them uneducated and unskilled, in the US depresses wages for the native born population, and most particularly for those at the bottom of the scale. If the illegal aliens were sent home, the labor market would tighten, and wages would rise. Just plain economics and plain common sense.

    As for more guest worker programs, we already have about 25. We need the abuses of the existing programs to be stopped, and also to enforce strictly the laws concerning them, which hold that no one hired on one of these programs like the H1-B is displacing a US worker, something that happens all of the time (ask any US born computer programmer if you want a slew of examples).

    Lou Dobbs had all this stuff correct, even if he did not phrase it well at times.

    June 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm | Reply
    • Joe

      Many of those jobs? You give an example....but what about agriculture, buddy? You honestly, seriously, think that those jobs are going to magically inflate with better job wages? It took a union...and a man, CESAR CHAVEZ, to wage numerous hunger strikes to publicize the plight of the agriculture worker condition in order to even slightly remedy that. Wages are still not at that.

      And if you really "want to go there..." When was the last time you saw someone doing those back-breaking jobs in agriculture? Stephen Colbert, a comedian, may have made a good expose out of it, and testified in Congress...but you sure as heck aren't going to see too many Anglos picking away at those fruits and vegetables that require manual harvesting....

      And somehow you think that by "poof, making the illegals disappear" the jobs will have their wages adjusted. are seriously delusional.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:37 pm | Reply
      • concerned

        Joe, not all 11 million or whatever number illegals work in agriculture. The majority work in jobs that most likely can be unionized. I believe that is what judgeroybean is referring to.

        June 11, 2012 at 2:53 am |
  11. 100% ETHIO

    Well, America was established by Great Britain. Weather you are born in America or not, if you don't have the British blood, you are not considered as the established of America.

    June 10, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Reply
    • oodoodanoo

      Try getting the Supreme Court to agree with that idea, given that its membership includes two Italians, two German Jews, and a black man.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:48 pm | Reply

        None of you, existed before, when the British arrived in North-America. The Jewish are always DENYING the reality. I don't trust the Jew and other people are tired of them as well.

        June 11, 2012 at 7:21 am |
  12. Mike Farr


    June 10, 2012 at 4:27 pm | Reply
    • Fareed Zakaria is typing lies

      Mike, after all the information about this issue, for and against, I have come to the same conclusion as you!

      June 10, 2012 at 8:10 pm | Reply
    • Galactus0099

      Recent history is clear on the answer to the US immigration problems. Deport all illegal aliens. That is the law and that will solve current and future illegal immigration problems. Make it impossible for illegals to find work in the United States and deport all illegal aliens.

      June 10, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Reply
      • DibiDo

        I am legal and have trouble finding work. The work that is there is underpaid for basic living standards.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
  13. johnson kattathra

    you say that Canada is making immigration work, may be it is working for the Canadian government not for all the immigrants who are coming into Canada.
    Many of these highly qualified people who come into Canada can't integrate into the workforce because most of the employers say applicant doesn't have Canadian experience.
    These immigrants end up in assembly line factory jobs(cheap labor), after they have spent most of the money they brought with them.
    I was in canada for 6 years and now live in US.
    Canadian government says on the website that there is good life for immigrants

    June 10, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Reply
    • Wendy from Canada

      Here in Canada we definitely have too many skilled immigrants working in unskilled/low paying jobs. Mostly because there is still a power class that is white/maile. However, as younger immigrants come they start their own businesses and as the children of those who may be underemployed graduate they have gained connections and skills that help them land the jobs they are qualified for. The major city I live nearest to – Vancouver – is now 52% non-white and being white I am loving it! Why? Because I can learn and my children and grandchildren see a 'minii world' in one city. We hear different music, eat different food, learn words in other languages and now have friends from around the globe.
      Unless you are a native American (by that I don't mean you're white and born here – I mean you're an aboriginal person) you are an immigrant. The white ones (me included) just happened to get here first – we do not have any special rights and its time we figured that out. We can all live and prosper on this continent but it takes time, work and a commitment to see everyone as equal. Sadly, there are still way too many who can't grasp the concept. That's my 2 cents worth.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Reply
    • james george

      did you really find it impossible to find a job in Canada. I have a bro in law looking to immigrate there. I hope the US has worked for you

      June 10, 2012 at 9:39 pm | Reply
  14. Prince Nuel

    Well, I do agree with you, this immigration issue really needs to be reviewed so as to properly aid the economy,if there is also one thing to pick from the situation in Canada is their ability to drive the economy through this means.

    June 10, 2012 at 5:04 pm | Reply
  15. delacydoris

    we need to scrap (family unification) and grant citizenship to all students in the world who are the top student in their high school. We need BRAINS not more family members. No FAMILY UNIFICATION, but citizens who are admitted in the best
    iunterest of our country. Educated citizens with something to offer AMERICA, not dead beats with no brains. Any citizen
    who has achieved in science and math, and students who are the top rank of their country should be offered citizenship or
    citizenship after achieving superior grades in our system. WE NEED TO ADMIT ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER AMERICA. We have enough poverty people of over 20 million illegal here. Anyone illegal entry should never be granted citizenship, they will have to wait for their own children to rise in society. They have forfeited any right to become citizens by their illegal actions. .

    June 10, 2012 at 6:14 pm | Reply
    • SCOTO

      I say if you can't spell properly and use correct grammar then out you go!

      June 10, 2012 at 7:56 pm | Reply
      • Wendy from Canada

        To demand correct spelling and grammar as a qualification for citizenship would mean more than half of US born Americans would be sent packing somewhere else! Maybe grandma's home country? Take a look at the spelling and grammar of any recent high school class – you would be shocked!

        June 10, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
  16. SCOTO

    Fareed. One TINY detail missing from the comparison against other countries. The huge number of ILLEGAL immigrants into the USA!.

    June 10, 2012 at 7:54 pm | Reply
  17. SPUD

    CNN is at it again lol....why whould the USA want to take lessons on immigration from any other country?! We have always been the beacon of light for immigrants and always will be as long as the liberals dont get their way. ALL immigrants are welcome....LEGALLY! Just do it the right way. IT has nothing to do with hate or any bs the liberals want to make up. Its simply about protecting the USA's best interest and thats making sure immigrants do it legally to prevent anything other than honest immigrants from coming to the greatest country on Earth. Dont believe the liberal hate hype.....their only weapon is to attack their opponents. On the issues they lose everytime. GOP in 2012!

    June 10, 2012 at 7:57 pm | Reply
    • joe

      You are correct, sir.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:16 pm | Reply
    • Kevin

      Since when do all liberals support illegal immigrants? Most that I know strongly support the enforcement of immigration laws to be an absolute necessity of a free state. It is mainly hispanics and politicians who are puppets of big business who support amnesty measures. And I seem to recall ol' Bush and his friends supporting amnesty. Check out this link:,2933,109026,00.html

      June 10, 2012 at 9:46 pm | Reply
  18. Fake god

    We only take those low-educated illegals, but Canada took all the good ones.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:01 pm | Reply
  19. tingle007

    im cool with legal immigration. legal immigrants tend to be hard working and law abiding more so then local born. It's illegal immigration that worries me. I'd be fine with looser immigration laws AFTER we secure a certain unguarded border.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Reply
    • Rob

      Coming from a family of legal Cuban immigrants, i can confirm that legal immigrates hate illegals more than any redneck

      June 10, 2012 at 10:51 pm | Reply
  20. Canuckistan

    The difference for immigrants is the fact these other countries have "hate speech" laws, and get up in arms about protecting people from discrimination. It helps when your country doesnt mix religion and politics, because facing christian-based laws when you dont practice Christianity is hard to swallow.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:11 pm | Reply
    • SPUD

      boo hoo, then go somewhere else

      June 10, 2012 at 8:34 pm | Reply
  21. Dreamofmydad

    Teach US ?
    No one needs to teach US , we need to follow and enforce the LAW , if you are illegal , you are illegal .
    If you have proof , you have been here for over 5 years , pay 5,000 fine per household , for every year you have been here , up to
    Cap of 10 yr or 50,000.(payment plans available )
    Less than 5 years ,goodbye and so long.
    If serving soldier in family , fine waived after completion of soldier's term.
    New illegals , put in chain gang , and paint, rebuild inner city , 1 year stay and after , fly into Southernmost Mexico , and parachute them there .
    Second capture of illegal, parachute from space , to southernmost Mexico .
    If a Company hires illegals , 50,000 fine , per illegal person .
    This is just a start Zakaria .

    June 10, 2012 at 8:13 pm | Reply
    • concerned

      that's funny.... 🙂 Nice to see quite a few people here have a good sense of humor. Fareed Zakaria has a lot to learn. Perhaps he should visit Silicon Valley, stay for a few weeks, & see for himself all the homeless, the illegals working in Fast Food restaurants, office buildings as janitors, & God knows where else. Then there are the H1B visa holders... quite a lot of them are working. Don't know if they're happy with their situation, but at least they're working. Then Fareed needs to visit the unemployment office & see the many Americans & legal workers age 45 & over (many educated) who are not working or under-employed. Then he can do another segment & talk about how things really are.

      June 11, 2012 at 3:21 am | Reply
  22. joe

    Living in Canada, I see 85 percent Chinese in my city, and they have no interest in "ACTING" Canadian. The city next to us is almost all East Indian, again no interest in being "Canadian". We're fractured, and people growing up here cannot afford to live. Manu Immigrants are bringing family members here to collect free Health Care. This cannot continue, and is by no means, a model for anyone to follow.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:15 pm | Reply
    • Name*

      Sorry to hear that. Sounds like California.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:58 pm | Reply
    • concerned

      well said Joe. I hear what you're saying. I feel for Canada. I think too much immigration in time will reach a boiling point. Same can be said for California.

      June 11, 2012 at 3:24 am | Reply
    • marie arrington

      Take a breath Joe, I live in Vancouver and I love the multicultural feel of the city. So you go to a mall etc., and hear twenty different foreign languages and not all are Chinese or Hindi or Punjabi; I hear Italian, Portugese, Hungarian etc. That is what makes our country great. You go to the different areas and see store signs in different languages BUT english is always displayed, what is wrong with that? We have an area that is known as little Italy, a Korean are, Indian (East) and Chinese. I go to these areas to shop when I want something specifically related to that culture. I believe there is room for all of us. No it is not perfect and we can always improve and as long as we are tolerant it will be fine.
      Even here in Canada the farm work, fruit pickers etc., is done by people of colour and for less wages. In fact we have a farmworkers program where we bring in seasonal workers from Mexico etc., because the "white" people think this is beneath them and don't want to work so hard.
      Every country is different and what works here may not work in other places, I don't agree with the comparisons. I don't believe one race or ethnicity is better or worse than the other, we all make a contribution in our own way. I took a month off work and travelled across our vast country and we are so different province to province, city to city, I absolutely loved it and love my country.

      June 11, 2012 at 11:39 am | Reply
  23. Try to stay alert

    Ok, first I admit I didn't read the article.. I just noticed who the article was written by. I just stopped in to say... Zakaria is the most boring personality on CNN.. Honest, I have tried watching his show.. but I keep falling asleep. There is no excitement in his voice... no change in his voice... just a monotone irritating sound. Ok, continue on.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Reply
  24. Mittens

    We need more immigrants. My corporation friends love cheap labor!

    June 10, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Reply
  25. WillH85

    Canada does have it right, they let people in with skills that are needed. If we did that, I doubt most of the people that come in from south of the boarder would get in. Agricultural workers would be the exception, and that's fine. Another thing to look at (especially for the lefties out there who love to support illegal immigration) is how strict these other nations are with immigration. Think about that the next time you want to say that America's at all intolerant of immigrants. We already have a lax immigration policy that we don't even bother to enforce most of the time.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Reply
    • Name*

      Hey I am a lefty! AND I agree with you.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:35 pm | Reply
  26. zaxxonzz

    Here is the real problem, its not immigration, its not even illegal immigration (in principle) it's that our immigration policy net us the poorest people from one culture from one country. The 13% that's foreign born need to be a larger swath of the worlds population from a larger social strata. We need to tighten up illegal immigration so we can increase legal immigration, that way we can have a policy that gets us a bit more then the labor class/poor of Mexico.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:24 pm | Reply
  27. zaxxonzz

    Our immigration policy net us the poorest people from one culture from one country. The 13% that's foreign born need to be a larger swath of the worlds population from a larger social strata. We need to tighten up illegal immigration so we can increase legal immigration, that way we can have a policy that gets us a bit more then the labor class/poor of Mexico.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  28. nbgb

    Wait a minute. It's not about immigration. It's about legal versus illegal. There many people from the south who waltz across the border and do what they want and scream blood murder if they are arrested or insulted and demand rights. Also there are those from Caribbean islands who come ashore at night. Many of them continue their law-breaking ways and either obtain false licenses etc or drive without them & insurance and use our schools, healthcare and other services free. When I fly into Miami from abroad I have to go through immigration and customs. This is my objection not those who apply for legal entry. They are welcome.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:25 pm | Reply
  29. Krish

    It is a result of too incompetent and inefficient politicians. My feeling is Americans (government) by themselves want to bring more illegal immigrants so that they work for Americans for too less, and die thirsty in the farm (there are many true examples), which may be that easy with legal immigrants. Sounds great, exploits the pooooors and be superpower! It is the reality that I saw.

    June 10, 2012 at 8:26 pm | Reply
    • zaxxonzz

      Both parties benefit from exploiting illegal immigrants. The dem's get the voting block they want (or I should say future voting block, from their children). The Reps get the indentured servants they want to increase the profit margin.

      June 10, 2012 at 8:29 pm | Reply
      • Name*

        There you go again.. Well I am a Democrat with no Union ties. Unions are starting to embrace illegals because they arent getting any new members elsewhere.

        June 10, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
      • concerned

        So true... that's why we need a 3rd party. And we need to elect a 3rd party president. I don't think anything is going to change as long as we have a two party system.

        June 11, 2012 at 3:31 am |
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