June 11th, 2012
10:13 AM ET

The widening U.S.-Pakistan rift

Editor's note: Bernard Gwertzman, consulting editor at CFR.org, interviews Daniel Markey, Senior Fellow for India, Pakistan, and South Asia at CFR for this look at U.S.-Pakistan relations.

The CIA drone attack June 4 in northwest Pakistan that killed deputy al-Qaeda leader Abu Yahya al-Libi is the latest in a string of incidents that has brought U.S.-Pakistan relations to "a new low, relative to what we've seen since 9/11," says CFR South Asia expert Daniel Markey. In addition to drone attacks, the 2011 killing of Osama bin Laden, U.S. air attacks killing Pakistan soldiers along the Afghan border, and anti-Pakistan rhetoric have all contributed to the strained relationship. Markey also attributes the rift to the intensity of the Obama administration's counterterrorism focus and Pakistani mistrust about U.S. objectives in the region.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, visiting Afghanistan June 7, said because of attacks from Haqqani forces–insurgent Afghan forces based in Pakistan–the United States is "reaching the limits of our patience" with Pakistan. Does this indicate a new low in U.S.-Pakistan relations, or is this the new norm?

It is a new low relative to what we've seen since 9/11 [September 11, 2001], or at least it's a continued low from where we've been since the killing of Osama bin Laden last year [May 1, 2011]. Relations got even worse last November with the friendly-fire incident along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border in which some twenty-eight Pakistani soldiers were killed. But we should remember that before 9/11, the relationship with Pakistan was almost nonexistent, certainly in terms of any kind of U.S. assistance. The anger wasn't quite as high then, or the frustration, but neither was the degree of interaction. Throughout the 1990s, we had sanctions imposed against Pakistan.

That was because of Pakistan's nuclear program, right?

Right. The United States had made it clear to Pakistan that if they pursued nuclear weapons, sanctions would be imposed. And there have been other low points. In 1979 the U.S. embassy was attacked in Islamabad, and rather than taking firm action against the rioters who rampaged the place, the government of General Mohammed Zia ul-Haq essentially let the protest burn out. That is to say that times have actually been worse in the past, but they are very bad now.

Pakistan was among our closest allies when I started covering foreign affairs in the 1960s. How did relations plummet so?

Certainly this latest downturn has something to do at least with the endgame in Afghanistan and disagreements between the United States and Pakistan over that, coupled with the very intense counterterror focus by the Obama administration that has been unrelenting–both in the good sense that it has secured a variety of significant accomplishments, but in the less good sense in that it has also not stopped Pakistani anger, humiliation, and public and private frustration.

How does the United States justify the use of drones that attack Pakistani territory?

It's becoming increasingly difficult to justify politically. It used to be the case, even a year or so ago, that it was very clear that the Pakistani military and top Pakistani political leaders were on board with the U.S. drone program, even if they were upset by its intensity and frequency, and worried about the public backlash it was engendering inside of Pakistan. This has shifted over the past year and it is less clear to me now that those leaders are even privately telling the U.S. government that it's ok for them to continue with the type of drone attacks that they're doing.

Drones abroad and at home

The problem is that the Pakistani military has little in the way of leverage with the United States on this point. Washington clearly sees the drones as useful, and this latest killing of Abu Yahya al-Libi is an indication of that. So it's not going to stop. The Pakistanis could conceivably put their foot down, they could even shoot down one of these drones to send a signal, but that would be really an act of war in a way they don't appear willing to escalate to because they know the consequences would be far worse for them.

You've just been in Pakistan. Is there now a stronger anti-American feeling?

There is an underlying anti-Americanism in almost every corner in Pakistan. This is not new, though. Some of it is being exacerbated and mobilized by politicians and others in the Pakistani state for their own parochial purposes. The way to see it is that Pakistanis sort of swim in a sea of anti-Americanism for a variety of reasons. It's everywhere. It's not all angry or passionate or violent, but there is a great deal of skepticism about U.S. aims in the region, and frustration that, as many Pakistanis put it to me, "even when the United States says that they will help us or be a partner to us, we don't see the tangible evidence of that."

Part of the problem is that there is less help than even American officials would like–that is, delivery of assistance programs have always been delayed, and there are always congressional challenges to that. The other part is that Pakistanis don't necessarily see a lot of the aid that has been delivered. It's been done through the Pakistani government, or without significant U.S. branding, so it's invisible to them. The benefits of the U.S. partnership are often out of sight, and the costs are highlighted by their politicians and by their media, which, like most semi-free media, tends to harp on violence and play up [violent] video.

Civilian deaths often accompany these drone attacks.

This is a big dispute. The U.S. government in both official and leaked claims suggests that the number of civilian causalities is quite low. Of course, some of this is relative. If the United States was intent on killing some of these terrorists and using dumb bombs out of F-16s, it could do that too, and there would be hundreds if not thousands of casualties. The flipside is, yes, there have undoubtedly been civilian casualties, and those who are opposed to the United States inside of Pakistan for other reasons–even those who simply have humanitarian concerns–worry about this. This is filtering back into a debate in the United States and certainly in other countries about the legality of the use of drones, the proportionality, and the decision-making process that allows, in this case, the president of the United States, to indirectly pull the trigger without a wider or more transparent process.

Where the drones are

Did the Obama administration think about giving Pakistan advance warning about the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad last year, or invite the Pakistani forces to participate in it? Clearly that was a great shock to the Pakistani leadership and military, and as you noted, relations have been bad since then.

There was probably a brief debate within the Obama administration's inner circle of people who had any knowledge of the impending raid. I'm sure they ruled it out almost out of hand, due to their skepticism about Pakistani potential double dealing, and also their concerns about operational security. They hardly told anybody within the administration that they were doing it, much less anybody in any other country.

That said, it was a huge risk. Had the raid gone bad, the potential for some sort of firefight with Pakistani military was quite high. And as bad as things were in the aftermath in terms of the diplomacy and all that's happened since, they would have been exponentially worse if such a thing had happened. In addition, many of the [Obama administration] officials who are primarily concerned with diplomatic engagement with Pakistan were not informed in advance.

This was very much of a counterterror operation. Those involved on that side of the ledger were involved; those involved in the diplomacy with the Pakistanis were not. As far as I can tell, there was little in the way of a follow-on diplomatic plan or strategy in place, so that the United States could move quickly either to mitigate the fallout of this inside of Pakistan or to seize upon the opportunity which presented itself.

The U.S. presidential candidates on Pakistan

Why doesn't Pakistan take action against the Haqqani network instead of letting the group take sanctuary in Pakistan?

There are at least two reasons. One is that the Haqqanis are a powerful, sophisticated, and well-resourced terrorist organization with the ability to hit back hard, and Pakistan would feel significant pain both in terms of its direct military operations against the Haqqanis in the tribal areas, but also almost certainly in Pakistan cities and towns where the Haqqanis would be able to probably unleash a very painful terrorist campaign. So biting off the challenge of attacking the Haqqanis has always been seen as a really big deal for the Pakistani state.

However, the reason they are also inclined not to fight this Haqqani challenge is that the Haqqanis have been scrupulous in directing their attacks outside of Pakistan. They have said their primary concern is inside of Afghanistan and removing the NATO and U.S. forces, and transforming the Afghan state back into one in which they have significant control or power. They do work hand-in-hand with Taliban and other militants who are opposing the Pakistani state, and in that sense they're double dealing the Pakistanis in a way that we often consider the Pakistanis to be double dealing us.

The Pakistanis, at least the more sophisticated ones, have recognized they don't have total control over the Haqqanis or any other elements of the Afghan Taliban. But they believe the Haqqanis are probably their best proxies in any future Afghanistan. So they have retained the closest ties with them, and they don't have a lot of other allies in Afghanistan. If Pakistan is concerned about Afghanistan falling apart after NATO goes or becoming too close to the Indians, they are trying to retain their allies, as messy and ugly and unsatisfactory as these particular allies are.

I think the Pakistani policy is short-sighted. If they actually succeed in retaining ties with the Haqqanis and Afghanistan falls to pieces after the United States leaves, the Haqqanis will then turn on them.

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  1. Patrick-2

    Let's all hope that this rift keeps getting wider and wider. The wider it gets, the better! Maybe this will shorten the cursed war in neighboring Afganistan along with the needless bloodbath.

    June 11, 2012 at 11:20 am | Reply
    • chotta lund khan

      ur pakistani when u marry ur own sister
      ur pakistani when eat beef but hate pork ... yummmmy
      ur pakistani when ur mothers is ur dads sister
      ur pakistani when u lose ur virginty to ur sister
      ur pakistani when u walk around in lady pants and parachute pants
      ur pakistani when ur sister and mother walks around in black tents

      June 13, 2012 at 3:00 pm | Reply
      • Sheikha Bhavana Bint Deepa

        Sadly Gandhi
        Among the various charges disclosed in the book: Gandhi not only slept in beds with young women under the age of 18, but also engaged in a long-term, gay affair with German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder Hermann Kallenbach, for whom India's peace icon at one point left his wife in 1908. As the Wall Street Journal reports:

        June 13, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
      • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

        hinduism, absurdity of a hindu child of incest from hindered gutter land india,

        One is a hindu, ignorant if he is borne in hinduism, denial of truth and in holy tradition of hinduism, incest in following of their pot head hindu filthy man god RAM, married to his sister by their own hindu filthy text, incest being the holyest tradition for hindu's to follow.

        June 14, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
      • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

        One is a hindu, ignorant, if he believes in a monkey as his man god and follow habbits of a monkey in life.
        One is a hindu, criminal, by commiting feamale infestation, every hindu criminal lives by by killing baby girls before birth and hindered criminal country consideres a woman, nothing but his slave.

        June 14, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  2. axby

    Good article. Pakistan has a short sighted, terror based policy. Pakistanis are in bed with the Haqqani terror network because they want Haqqanis to have more influence in Afghanistan. However, Haqqanis will eventually turn against Pakistan if Afghanistan falls apart.

    June 11, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Reply
    • Joseph McCarthy

      What Pakistan needs is a Communist Revolution similar to the one in China some 60 years ago and break off with the U.S., Great Britain and France. After 1949, nobody was able to tell China what to do or exploit that country's resources. Just hope that Pakistan keeps on standing it's ground!

      June 11, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply
      • Quigley

        Well stated, Joseph. Pakistan does need to stand it's ground and maybe other countries will do the same. Enough of this international bullying already!

        June 12, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • markdonners

      Surprise, an American preaching to Pakistan about their willingness to accept American mass murder and illegal invasion and pillaging of sovereign states. That would be no different than Hitler preaching morality to the jews in his concentration camps.

      June 11, 2012 at 9:33 pm | Reply
  3. Moe

    Haqqani is a new American Invention. Why is it that you never seemed to hear about Haqqani's two years ago, but now they are in the every day.

    I really hope the rift keeps on getting wider. The sooner the US leaves Afghanistan, the sooner militancy and extremism can end in Pakistan.

    June 11, 2012 at 12:20 pm | Reply
    • fromusofa

      Haqqani (Network..LOL) .America's new Bogeyman.

      June 11, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Reply
  4. fromusofa

    Pakistanies are ready to eat grass if they have to, but they will not let anyone intimidate or dictate them on thier own land at any cost....they can charg $10 million dollars per NATO truck to go thru thier territory or they can simply seal the border off completely forever no matter what. period...everyone should go to Pathan's resturant (Drug (Nashwar business) from North to drink thier tea...LOL beside that, don't you Americans forget that Afghanistan is a land of Zombies...no body from outside survives here, no body!

    June 11, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Reply
    • Brave Ahamadi

      kidoo ..bakistani been eating grass since last 65 years .. shia sunni and ahamdi killings are on rise ...muslims are killed more in pakistan by muslims in any other country ..

      i am glad i left this crazy country

      June 13, 2012 at 11:04 am | Reply
      • Krishna Kukumber

        Hope you are enjoying the open range grass fed steaks somewhere sweet pea.

        June 13, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
  5. fromusofa

    *Naswar (famous Tobacco product across south/central Asia)...

    June 11, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  6. j. von hettlingen

    The U.S.-Pakistan rift is becoming unbridgeable that all talks on the re-opening of the supply routes to and from Afghanistan are stalled. Pakistan had demanded an apology from the U.S. for the deaths of the 24 soldiers and high fees for the transport, which would cost $ 1 million daily. Nato and its allies will be using the Northern Distribution Network (NDN) hosted by the Central Asian states instead, which would be more expensive and time consuming.
    Indeed there's skepticism in Pakistan about America's aims in the region. The West is worried about Afganistan after 2014. Last week the Shanghai Corporation Organisation held a summit in Beijing. Some in the West see the SCO as "the Nato in the East". Vladmir Putin was there together with four other members – Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. The core group of six was joined in this year's summit by regional neighbours. Afghanistan was invited to the meeting as a guest and had been granted observer status. Iran, Mongolia, India and Pakistan are already observer members, but Pakistan is calling for full membership. The pressing issues were national security, social stability and economic development. Hu Jintao was hoping that the SCO could play a bigger role in Afghanistan's peaceful reconstruction. In a joined statement Putin und Hu opposed any outside military intervention and a regime change in Syria. Putin will also meet Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, ahead of talks hosted by Russia to seek diplomatic solutions over Iran's nuclear program.

    June 11, 2012 at 4:18 pm | Reply
    • AlexShch

      Shanghai Corporation Organisation –> should be "Cooperation" instead

      June 13, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Reply
  7. 100% ETHIO

    So, so....what's the outcome?
    May be, wait to fight. The road of peace is bumping, while it is smoothie for war.

    What do you think Allen? America keep fighting for you.

    June 11, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Reply
  8. Abbasi_Pakistan

    Pakistan parliament's stand is not complicated for USA to understand. Apologize for the murder of Pakistanis and follow International law with respect to sovereignty of nations. There will be no more free lunches going forward. Cannot be more simple for the likes of Panetta to understand. So giddyup.

    June 12, 2012 at 7:22 am | Reply
  9. Jinraj Joshipura

    How come Daniel Markey does not classify American drone attack on Pakistan as an act of war but that of shooting them down by Pakistan as an act of war? Is endorsing double standard part of his opinion or analysis? Here is excerpts from his interview by Bernard Gwertzman,– “The Pakistanis could conceivably put their foot down, they could even shoot down one of these drones to send a signal, but that would be really an act of war in a way they don't appear willing to escalate to because they know the consequences would be far worse for them.”

    June 13, 2012 at 9:39 am | Reply
    • aisha khan sidhu

      what about pakistan hiding obl and every single know terrorist in the world?????

      June 13, 2012 at 11:32 am | Reply
      • Sanchez

        What about it? Do you have a beef? Medium well....rare?

        June 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  10. aishia khan sidhu

    pakistan born but raised in states and married to sikh .. i can tell one thing pakistanis are so backward mentality ,..

    i know what i have to go through to marry my husband .. i went to India and tell you one thing i got so much respect and love ..no hate what so ever ..

    but my husband is still hated in our family ... pakistanis are just so messed up in head and fake culture values

    June 13, 2012 at 11:11 am | Reply
    • Jaswant Brara

      No wonder you are confused, peaches. Remember me? I am the one you WERE married to !! Mwah ha ha ha

      June 13, 2012 at 12:30 pm | Reply
      • chotta lund khan

        oye gashti de lund ... i think ur forgot ur my bastrd child ask ur ammi ... i still remember her taking my lund up her arss ..

        teri ammi and appi are still her playing my b@alls ... they enjoy nice hindu lund .. like ur abba who enjoys pork chops :)

        June 13, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
      • Bucky

        To all Indians...."Ya'll, Now git back in line before I kick you so hard you'll be wearin your @ss for a hat."

        June 13, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
  11. krm1007 ©™

    To the author's point, USA is anot a trustworthy ally. Pakistan has moved on. WRT to Haqqanis, Pakistan has said repeatedly it will not be muscled by to action at someone's biding. So let's debate this issue in UN alongwith Indian Occupied Kashmir.

    June 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Reply
  12. krm1007 ©™

    Pakistan appears to have made a very thoughtful democratic and parliamentarian decision with regards to issues at hand with USA. It was very disingenuous for Panetta to make comments such as he did in India knowing well that Pakistanis don't have much respect for Indians. He probably took a calculated risk and the reply message from Pakistan was pack your negotiating team and get out of Pakistan. For a global power to pick a fight with such a time tested ally such as Pakistan is indicative that American foreign policy has been hijacked. It is Jimmy Carter deja vu all over again.

    June 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Reply
  13. Mazal Rosenbloom

    The highway to peace and prosperity in this world has been paved with the blood of Pakistanis. L'Chaim Pakistan...Vive Le Pakistan

    June 13, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Reply
  14. krm1007 ©™

    The more US tries to strong arm Pakistan the more the probability that a fundamentalist islamist government will come to power next election cylcle for the first time in history. Surely there will be fireworks after that turning the region into an inferno that will be uncontrollable.

    June 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm | Reply
  15. When the Cows Come Home

    NEW YORK: Renowned Indian activist and novelist Arundhati Roy has decried the silence of the international community over the continued “brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir” and said Kashmiris should be given the right to self-determination.
    “Kashmir is one of the most protracted and bloody occupations in the world — and one of the most ignored,” she told a large audience at the Asia Society during a discussion on “Kashmir — a case for freedom”.
    Under the Indian military rule in Kashmir, Ms Roy said, freedom of speech was non-existent and human rights abuses were routine. Elections were rigged and the press controlled.
    She said the lives of Kashmiris were made miserable by gun-totting security personnel who harassed and terrorised people with impunity, adding that disappearances were almost a daily occurrence as also kidnapping, arrests, fake encounters and torture. Mass graves have been discovered and the conscience of the world remains unstirred……
    The apathy towards Kashmir, especially in the western world, Ms Roy said, was because of their pursuit of commercial interests in India where they were more eager to “sell their goods than human rights”……..

    June 13, 2012 at 1:26 pm | Reply
  16. when pork flies in bakistan

    dawn news may 2

    pakistani journalist wrote about bakistanis around the world to be falling below poverty line in canada , uk , usa and europe.

    95% bakistanis lives of food stamps and welfare

    94% bakistanis are in incest relationship with sisters or mothers ... fathers or daughters

    JUST DISGRACE .. BAKISTAN BE CIVILIZED YOU CANT LIVE IN STONE AGE ...SHAME ON YOU

    June 13, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Reply
    • dick small

      The Aghori or Aghouri is a Hindu cult in India that is considered to have split off from the Kapalika order in the fourteenth century AD. They have cannibalistic rituals. The streets of northern Indian cities are littered with followers of this cult carrying a kapala, which is a cup made from a skull! These bizarre people will eat anything from rotten food to animal faeces. In order to achieve the highest citadel of enlightenment, the Aghori will perform horrendously crude rituals. The finality of their rituals is attained from eating the decaying flesh of a human.

      June 13, 2012 at 8:37 pm | Reply
  17. Sheikha Bhavana Bint Deepa

    Once upon a Mumbai dreary, while the Indian Army pondered weak and weary.....
    While they nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
    As of some one gently rapping, rapping at their bunker door.
    "'Tis some visiter," they muttered, "tapping at our bunker door —
    Only this and nothing more."

    What say you? Quoth the talibans… What say you?
    It ain’t no visiter….so to speak…’tis…the talibans…2 or 3 but Not More.
    We come in peace and nothing more…only in peace and nothing more...to tickle you to heart’s content.
    To sing you some bhajans and maybe more....so go back to sleep Evermore.
    Quoth the talibans, Evermore".
    And when you wake up we will be long gone…but we will be back____will be back
    This time in New Delhi….we will be back____
    Quoth the talibans…. we are coming back!!!!.

    June 13, 2012 at 8:30 pm | Reply
    • Peter

      Don't give up the day job luv

      June 14, 2012 at 8:36 am | Reply
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      hinduism, absurdity of a hindu child of incest from hindered gutter land india,

      One is a hindu, ignorant if he is borne in hinduism, denial of truth and in holy tradition of hinduism, incest in following of their pot head hindu filthy man god RAM, married to his sister by their own hindu filthy text, incest being the holyest tradition for hindu's to follow.
      One is a hindu, ignorant, if he believes in a monkey as his man god and follow habbits of a monkey in life.
      One is a hindu, criminal, by commiting feamale infestation, every hindu criminal lives by by killing baby girls before birth and hindered criminal country consideres a woman, nothing but his slave.

      June 14, 2012 at 4:46 pm | Reply
      • hi look down

        You are so freakin racist iwould say more but the only words which I can think of are words that should not be spoken

        June 15, 2012 at 7:00 am |
  18. dick small

    In some Haryana villages in India, the young girls are routinely threatened, abused and killed all under Khap (tribe/clan) verdicts. It is acceptable for the families to feed pesticide pills to the teenage girls and then dispose off their bodies by burning them without any police records.

    June 13, 2012 at 8:39 pm | Reply
  19. garden1

    u.s will not accept defeat in bringing peace in afganistan-pakistan region, no matter anti u.s policy and activities created by pakistan. u.s invested in pakistan lot of money to bring peace in that country and in the region. u.s will want positive results out of her investment. u.s will get help from other countries, if needed, even from china, india, russia and other regional countries to bring stability and peace in that region. u.s will also take not just charitable approach but business approach as well. it is expected that pakistan will coperate with u.s, otherwise, she will bring her disaster, which will not be supported by other peace loving countries, whether they are anti-u.s or not.

    June 14, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Reply
  20. Tahir

    The rift will decrease after General Elections.This rift is present to show people that this Government is not US slave so that elections can be won.USA knows this and this rift is just US drama to let this Govt win elections. US orders will be implemented after election.

    June 14, 2012 at 2:51 pm | Reply
  21. Feroz - Pakistan

    Pakistan parliament's stand is not complicated for USA to understand. Apologize for the murder of Pakistanis and follow International law with respect to sovereignty of nations. There will be no more free lunches going forward. Cannot be more simple for the likes of Panetta to understand. So Giddyy Uuup.

    June 14, 2012 at 4:24 pm | Reply
  22. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Time of Obama hinduism, terrorism is over in Afghanistan and Pakistan, Pakistanis have already hind, spitted on American hindu filthy "AIDS", America never delivered any help to Pakistan but scammed Pakistan of tens of billions of dollars. Pakistanis are no longer interested to subsidize American hinduism, terrorism nor America need to expect it,because as per American way of hinduism, deceit, it is nothing but interest, PAY YOUR BILL OR GET LOST, HOBOS,

    June 14, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Reply
    • "muslim" not islamist

      very "intelligent" conclusion. with this argument, pakistains will land in paradise (heaven), where they will enjoy virgins. all these are due to good "muslims" in pakistan.

      June 14, 2012 at 8:23 pm | Reply
    • hi look down

      Racist person hindus are in india its muslim in pakistan

      June 15, 2012 at 6:56 am | Reply
      • hi look down

        oops i tried replying to all comments made by "hinduism source of hindufilthyracism."

        June 15, 2012 at 6:57 am |
  23. RCDC

    We should learn from history and what it we can gain or learn from it. By history Pakistan and it's neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia for one have supported the Taliban. The conflict with them was because of Osama ties with them. It's best we just let the security and conflict in Afghanistan be taken cared by the Afghans while slowly or quitly removing our troops from that part of the world.

    June 15, 2012 at 12:37 am | Reply
  24. hi look down

    I have 2 things to say
    1. I wonder why the people in pakistan are upset about the drones cause we are attacking bad peoples why they let them sit on their own soil
    2. What with this bad person "hinduism source of hindufilthyracism". is he also a terrorist. Besides in Pakistan the main religion is the Muslim religion

    June 15, 2012 at 6:54 am | Reply
    • Say it As You See It

      Thank you so much for asking these questions. First, the drone is a Sovereignty issue under International Law. How would you like it if someone entered your house and started shooting at you? I hope you get the jist. Second, the person you refer to is airing is views (right or wrong) like many others do on this forum. One does not have to agree with it. If you have any other questions, let us know. Thank you. Again, thank you for asking these questions.

      June 15, 2012 at 8:14 am | Reply
  25. krm1007 ©™

    The world will look back at Pakistan's Salala Apology stance and consider it as David standing up to Goliath. A defining moment for Pakistan's foreign policy and a public announcement that it does not consider USA as an ally and a disalignment from it.

    June 15, 2012 at 9:08 am | Reply
  26. just saying

    Get the hell out of these filthy countries. Spend that money on US defence/counter attack capapiblty and advertising that any attack – regardless if successful or not, coming from anywhere near Pakstn will result in immediate devestating counter attacks. Build up USA; not slimy countries abroad.

    July 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Reply
  27. Narnia

    Pakistan is a moderate Muslim country, and had been an US ally since it's independence, including its position on Israel. Even though it is nuclear, it is not a threat to Israel at all, only as a deterrence to India. Relations only started to deteriorate since the last 6 or 7 years. It is no coincidence that India has been quietly destabilzing Pakistan and fanning Pakistan-US discontent, and their agents have been found in Afg-Pak border for exactly that purpose. These are widely known within Pakistan, but not reported much outside. It is about time some media report should dig into this.

    July 3, 2012 at 11:05 pm | Reply
  28. Narnia

    It is a well-known fact that in Asia, Pakistani businessmen are much more reliable than Indians, esp. those from Mumbai. In the mid-east, esp. in Dubai, you have lots of Indians who descended there since the oil boom, and they have a bad reputation of always trying to get out of contracts and disappear back into India where you cannot find them, or if found, there's nothing you can do because of the corruption there. There have been zillions of horror stories about them "buying and not paying", It's well known you can easily get a fake L/C out of India, and even genuine bank L/C's are not necessarily what you think is written. That's why one must deal with them through a non-Indian bank.

    July 4, 2012 at 12:06 am | Reply
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