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By Ravi Agrawal, CNN
What's happened to India? Seemingly every day, new reports emerge of its slide. Growth has dropped to 5.3% – half the rate it was in 2010, and the lowest in nearly a decade. The rupee has hit a record low against the dollar, depreciating more than 25% in one year. Inflation is rampant; the deficit is growing; reforms have stalled.
Worse is to come, if you believe the ratings agencies. Standard & Poor's and Fitch have both given India their lowest investment grade and are on a negative watch.
What happened to "Incredible India," the capital "I" of the BRIC countries?
One explanation is the prevailing fiscal climate. Europe's protracted crisis has cast a shadow around the world. China and Brazil have slowed, too.
But India's chief economic adviser says New Delhi is the victim of a "pessimism spiral." In a phone interview this month, Kaushik Basu told me that critics are focusing on the bad news and overlooking the good. For example, exports have grown more than 20% on average for the last eight years, he says. India has also become a large exporter of investment, ranking fifth in the world behind the U.S., Canada, Japan and India. Meanwhile household savings have stayed above 30%, six times more than it is in the U.S.
But if India is indeed stuck in a pessimism spiral, it is not without reason: it is merely see-sawing from what was earlier an optimism spiral.
India's high growth numbers in the last decade have masked just how far behind it really is. It may be the world's 11th biggest economy, but that has more to do with the number of people it packs in, not the relative wealth of its 1.2 billion inhabitants. Consider per capita incomes: Indians on average make $3,700 a year – half that of the average Ukranian, nearly a third that of the average Chinese or Brazilian, and less than a fourth that of the average Russian. Germans make 10 times as much.
So even when India was growing at a rapid clip, the reality is that it had a lot to catch up on. Hundreds of millions of Indians remain impoverished: 46% of Indians earn less than $2 a day. India's advocates often cite the growth of mobile phone usage as an indicator of success: from 20% of the population in 2007 to 60% by 2010. And yet India has more mobile phones than toilets. Even as New Delhi makes a case for it having a permanent spot on the U.N. Security Council, millions die each year of disease, malnutrition and neglect. For all India's technological advances, a better statistic to look at is internet access. Only 10% of Indians are able to use the internet; as a percentage, four times as many Chinese, Brazilians and Russians surf the web. Some BRICs really are more equal than others.
But whether critics have overdosed on optimism or pessimism in the last decade is a debate about selected data and perception. It is unimportant. The truth is that India's growth has slowed sharply and it has profound consequences for India's poor. Add to that, India is becoming dangerously unequal in wealth distribution. The political scientist Pratap Bhanu Mehta points out that the urban Gini coefficient – a way to measure inequality – has jumped from 0.35 in 2005 to 0.65 today (zero indicates perfect equality, one represents one person cornering all the wealth; anything higher than 0.4 is considered to create conditions ripe for unrest.)
Economics is not India's problem. It is politics. The Economist points out that the remedies to India's growth problems are blindingly obvious. Among them, it notes cutting subsidies, investing in infrastructure and confronting corruption. But politics has consistently gotten in the way. India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, despite being a visionary economist who charted its path-breaking reforms two decades ago, is often criticized by the political opposition and the intellegentsia as a puppet of the Gandhi family, powerless and ineffective, held hostage to larger political currents.
But the signs are that change may finally be afoot. Just as in 1991, when a balance of payments crisis led to much-needed reforms, the current downturn could well become an opportunity to administer smart economic policies.
Among the immediate changes this week: the finance minister Pranab Mukherjee has stepped down to focus his attentions on running for the largely ceremonial post of president. So Prime Minister Singh has once again taken full control of the country's balance sheet.
The task in front of Singh is immense. If he broke India's "License Raj" two decades ago to open up the economy, this time he'll need to conquer "Populism Raj." India imports 80% of its crude oil – and yet it heavily subsidizes fuels like diesel and kerosene, popular among the poor. India's retail sector is shockingly inefficient: a third of all vegetables and produce rot en route from the farmers to consumers, and yet populist forces prevented foreign companies from entering the country and potentially using their technology to revolutionize its supply-chain systems.
New Delhi's greatest challenge isn't to envision the policies that could return India to the rapid growth its people need. Those policies have already been outlined by a number of smart economists already on India's payroll. The challenge is to implement those policies and convince the electorate that corruption and red tape won't get in the way.
There's nothing like a crisis to steel the nerves of a nation. Two decades ago, Finance Minister Manmohan Singh took his chance and became known as the father of India's economic revolution. As prime minister, his reputation has seen a steady decline. This could be another defining moment for him – and India, too.
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Well, as individual, if I spend more than my income, the result will be Minus.
As a Country, if we let our Young intellectuals to leave India to the West, their contribution will succeed the West, while India keep exporting them.
Economically, at the past, India spend a lot by buying other Countries Manufacturing Companies, that never profited others. For instance, the Jaguar and Land rover Companies. How many of these Vehicles are on the road?
Dear 100 % ETHIO STRONGER!,
Please check your facts on Jaguar and Land Rover companies. They posted huge profits in the recent quarter and the companies made a turn-around after they were aquired by TATA.
Indeed, India does come with a low-budget solution to satiate consumers en masse – inexpensive cars, PCs and other gadgets. The country faces enormous challenges. Its population will one day outgrow China's. The wealth gap gets wider and wider. While the rich can use as much water as they want, fetching water becomes daily chores of millions of the poor. Still the country has future, if it sets itself free from caste system and improves social equalities.
Hettlingen: India divest itself from the caste system? You are asking the impossible.
I agree j.von.
India will find a way out of cultural drawbacks.
Actually, there is no hope at all for islamists who still live in caves and will be there for another Millennia.
LOL @ j. von You think the problem in india is social equalities? That will solve the problems for 200 million people in poverty in india?? LOL You are probably the type who thinks all the inner city schools need are better funding to compete with schools in the suburbs!!
@PATRICK...
Ok "Islamists"??? that was way out of left field...quite random...Are they your punching bag? What do they have to do with this story? Moron.
Dont be so petulant with me Patrick, I love you.
Youth like me will keep on leaving the country till the country at-least tries to provide an equal and unbaised platform for research and educational development. I personally was tired of competing with SC/ST/OBC people for seats in Colleges. I had to put up with a lesser college after having more score in everything because i was in GEN category. Give Ecenomic support like waived fees to poor. Reservation will not do anything it just fuels the desire to get out of an biased education system. If I was given an equivalent opportunity of research in India . I would have never left. Put money in developing good quality colleges .. Just dont make sub standard chain of colleges..
You know better than we but I wish them the best
You are still competing with so many SC/ST/BC working in US .. you moron.
For the benefit of non-Indian readers: SC/ST/OBC refers to the controversial reservation system practiced in Indian higher education. Scheduled Castes (SC), Scheduled Tribes (ST) and Other Backward Classes (OBC) have a certain number of college seats reserved for them, whether they are used or not.
This arrangement sometimes forces highly-talented people into second-level colleges and universities while doing very little for the castes involved. The writer was assigned to the general category (GEN), and feels he may have lost his chance at a top-level college because of the reservation system.
Since we're talking about India, one can assume that these reserved places are subject to the same amount of graft and corruption as every other part of the Indian government. Reformers have tried for decades to improve the system, but since the majority of government workers are making good money through graft and corruption, reforms are always voted down.
So I guess this is India's version of affirmative action?
I was a poor OBC but never took reservation..and I know many poor OBC's who never took reservations...and I know many poor SC/ST who never could benefit from reservations...And one of my known son of IPS got into IIT and then IIM due to reservations..In India reservation is for rich SC/ST/OBC..I without any reservation could make it to IIT...Not fret and grin like you sitting in lap of luxury..If you are capable you can do anything..I am now offered a manager position in India...It is all about merit..reservations don't matter...So in essence even reservation system is corrupt in India...
This EXACT same thing happens in the US as well, I don't know why you are complaining. Get a 4.0 GPA, 2350 SATs as a caucasian high schooler and your chances of getting into top schools isn't even that great. Get a 3.7 GPA, 2050 SAT but happen to have some native american blood in your system and you can basically go to any school you want just so they can publish their diversity numbers as being great.
The writer may not know. In 1970s the US Indian organizations had campaigned for minority status for Indian immigrants in the US. Many companies filled the minority quotas required to win Fed contracts by Indian Engineers.
I think the problem with India is that the people are too focused on themselves, which may appear very arrogant to Western people – just seeing that many of you feel the urge to define yourself as "US PhD" or "IIT PhD" says it all. You may talk as if you care for your people but in the end you would not make any sacrifice to help if that would mean you'd have to leave your comfort zone. I know many brilliant Indians but not a single one does even think about returning to India. It's your own decision made out of greed and don't blame bad colleges or something for it – it's your fault if the elite leaves the country and doesn't come back. P.S. I used "MIT PhD" as my name because I knew it'll draw all the attention of Indian readers – gotcha ...
Actually, in the US, you ARE what you are complaining about in India. As colleges here have government quotas that include under represented, under educated peoples from developing nations. Americans actually have to excel in a variety of subjects to get into tier one schools, whereas, you have probably only taken a single subject since you were 13 and were still offered placement.
Dennnn, Matt, – I don't think you understood the challenges of reservations in india. 50% of college seats are reserved to so called backward castes and tribes. Some states (Tamil Nadu in particular) have 69% reservations.
MIT PhD – It is easy blame the guys who leave India because of lack of opportunuties (or I call it unfair no-so-level playing ground). However, poor upper class students are the worst affected because they see rich lower class students getting good opportunity inspite of being not much better.
Indian IIT US PhD – I don't know how you assumed people fretting about reservations are doing so by sitting in lap of luxury. Most of us (like me) had to study our a$$ off to get into the leftover 31% of general category seats (I'm from TN).
Diwakar – Not sur what you mean. Look at the % of SC/ST/OBC Indians in US compared to OC/FC Indians in US. You can know it for yourself.
I am from India and I would partly agree with MIT Phd argument.
India is a very young country. Educated folks like us leave the country. No other country provide this cheap higher education other than India although that is changing now.
Government is a problem because of really corrupt people involved from top to bottom sparing few. Nepotism is rampart.
It would take a lifetime to correct it but efforts have started in that direction.
Hopefully things will change for better in the future. Some of Indians have returned after many successful years in US and contributed to India's growth.
It is called “CASTE SYSTEM”
You were not qualified. Count the seats you could compete for. Those reserved seats were not for you. You hateful enslaving caste system loving fellow. That is a big reason why India will go nowhere. Hundreds of millions cannot be forgotten in dire poverty and you come here to write nonsense about seats in schools. If you keep thinking like that you will still be discovered here in the US for what you really are.
Dont worry about India ya new turds.We have been a civilisation for 8000 years now, have seen civilisations come and go for eons now.
Na , you just left because you were the average lower middle class boy ,looking for the American dream of flipping burgers along with managing a Phd.You were simply not smart enough to crack IIT examinations an thus moved to easier game, along with the not soo smart Yanks.Meanwhile the bright and the succesful in India, just keep doing what they do and would be probably earning much more than you do.
Where is this caste system nonsense coming from? It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the corruption of the government. Yes, we have been a civilization longer than other and have survived. Why don't people start looking at your own countries and take care of issues there instead of pointing fingers and degrading India. India is a great country with rich culture, intelligence, etc. it is the people who are ruining is but how are you making it better?
And Matt... I know of one case in my personal life of a 4.0, 2250 African American student did not get into UChicago. Why? So don't say that white students are at a disadvantage. Majority of schools still have more than 50% Caucasians and diversity is 100% needed I'm any setting.
Why do You capitalize Every other Word?
its called a period...go back to 1st grade...
Do you deny the havoc created by the 'higher caste' people on the entire society in India?
The workers from india i've come in contact with are ill equipped to cope in the American work place and i question their so called manager training from india that cannot be fact checked.
@ Hemlock. You are implying that your own country men are dim witted as they are the ones who are hiring Indians and paying more than prevailing wage (I am not making it up! It is a USCIS condition to bring someone into the U.S on a work visa) and writing to the congress to allow more people in. I do not agree with you sir I believe that American recruiters and managers are intelligent.
@Dr. Hemlock,
Your view is partial and skewed or probably from your exposure to very limited number of Indians.
I couldn't disagree with you more. I worked with several in the Bay Area before the dot-com bubble burst. They were unquestionably brilliant. I saw none of the accusations you are making. Bright, polite, hard-working. They EARNED everything they made. As to those leaving to make a better living for themselves and their family – folks, this is natural, and it's happening right now in this country as well: our educated are going to other countries where the GDP is growing at double and triple the rates of the U.S. Careful how you point the finger...it points right back at us.
China seems to disagree. Rover Jaguar vehicles sales have increased over 40% in China.
To much daughter burning is bad for outside bisuness. Nobody wants to invest in a country that makes that a regular habbit.
Sounds like your company is suffering from malaise, a condition brought on by your president, Jimmy Cartervashnuhindi.
India every year exports some of its great minds to the U.S. Once people leave India they never want to go back!
We indians are choot ka murghas....dulla-s
hindus are bhurwaas
Indians are untrustworthy and crime proned. Indian doctors in USA are carrying out medical insurance fraud (medicare, medicaid)-overbilling/setting up shell companies for billing purposes, indiscriminately prescribing opioids drugs that are being openly sold by teenagers in high schools causing over dose and addiction problems. An Indian student just got convicted and sentenced in New Jersey for instigating the suicide of his room mate. The Indian ambassador's daughter was charged in new york for sending threatening emails to school. Another ambassador had his indian maid imprisoned at home like a slave and did not pay her for years. We all know of the indian who was on the board of directors of major american companies and was indulging in insider trading with another indian/eastern buddy and selling confidential information.
What happened to 'Incredible India'?
Answer = India's success is largley dependent on a thriving America, which CNN, MSNBC and others of the same stripe have successfully diminished into nothing more than the 3rd world countries your reporting on. Going forward, good luck squeezing blood from a turnip.
There are Pakistani trolls posting anti India spam as hate speech, under different names on these boards.
For more insight into this read the novels - king of Bat'ha -- and the sequel - Tales from the East: Return of Ivanhoe by Ivanhoe.
Please peddle your wares elsewhere.
Do not pay attention to me.
I bought a special girdle online to make my hynie look firm and supple and it is so tight it makes me so very angry with the world. |Why do I have a big gut and a flat hynie. Why me?????????????????????????
Few Years ago, I wrote on this blog site, India must not Export its Young intellectuals to the benefits of others (West). I remembered, most disagreed with me. Now, here you go.
If India keep loosing its productive and intellectual Young People, what consequences it will face??
Imagine, if Africa has more intellectual people, as it has more Natural Resources.
You know, only wise and intellectuals know how to use and expand the resources. Without them, the Natural Resources will remain unused.
Rajat Gupta that you exported has just been found guilty of insider trading in New York. Please keep such specimens within India. We don't need such clowns in USA.
That is correct. What u need more is Enrons, thieves like AIG and more bankers, do nothing and eat money and lecture the world
@ktrac: You are missing the point. You don't go to someone's house and start plundering ! Get it? It may be acceptable in your Indian culture but it is not acceptable in American culture.
Oh, and no white Americans have ever been convicted of insider trading? Do you know how to do a Google search you nitwit? Michael Milken, Dennis Levine, Ivan Boesky, Joseph Nacchio, Jeffrey Skilling, Roger Blackwell, Martha Stewart, Eugene Plotkin, Troy Eid, Samuel D. Waksal. All guilty of insider trading. All white Americans.
"According to a 2007 census report, the median household income for US residents born in India is $91,195 against a $50,740 average for the total population, a recent US survey has revealed. According to the same report, the overall median household income for foreign- born and native US residents is $46,881 and $51,249 respectively."
"According to the 2000 census, about 64% of Indian Americans have attained a Bachelor’s degree or more (compared to 28% nationally, and 44% average for all Asian American groups). Almost 40% of all Indians have a master’s, doctorate or other professional degree, which is five times the national average."
Maybe if you actually got an education Imelda, and had a decent income, your life would be a little bit better.
And as far as Jeff R is concerned, are you serious when you say that you don't go to somebody's house and start plundering? Have you ever taken a history class? Are you aware that is exactly what Europeans did to Native Americans in this country? Not "acceptable in American culture"? That is American culture you moron!
That is interesting comment. 1 bad apple from 5 million who contribute to success of US. At peak, 50% of the Silicon Valley was run by Indian IT professionals, which brought billions of dollars of wealth to the nation. Yes, there are people like Rajat Gupta, who became bad when 'infected' by environment they are in. Let's not take credit for good deed from millions of Indians and disown few bad ones... I call it selective Amnesia.....
April 22:
Shriya Biman Patel, a 25-year-old Indian origin woman set her husband on fire and locked him in a bathroom while he suffered third-degree burns after promising him a hot oil massage, according to police
KP, who is trying to disown Gupta? He did something wrong, and he will pay the price. There is no selective amnesia going on. Do you even understand the context in which Imelda was making her ignorant comment? Rajat Gupta is a criminal, but he has lived and worked in the US for years! He was not "exported" to America – we let him in with open arms – he emigrated here legally! Imelda's comment makes no sense – are we going to criticize every Latino, white, and black criminal too?
Garcia, great job of posting something completely irrelevant. How about you use your brain to tell us what you actually think? The article is about India's economy stagnating, and your post is about some crime? As if no white person in American has ever committed a crime? Huh?
Nothing to see here. Just a stupid racist white guy. Move along, move along.
And as a white guy. Thank you poeple of India. You come here. You work your butts off. Statisitcally, you have the lowest divorce rate, you guys don't commit crimes, you assimilate your children into our system, but at the same time make sure they become good productive citizens. Basically you guys are gift to the US, not dead wieght. I wish your women would give me a chance, but hey that is probably a good thing.
So many foreign workers seem more intent on exploiting the workplace rather than pitching in. While they pray multiple times a day we're working to take up the slack.
The NY US attorney who put Rajat Gupta in prison is also an immigrant indian Preet Bharara. You find only a very few indians (as a percent of our population) in prison for anything at all. We are well educated and we love this country as much as we love our mother country India.
Indians are untrustworthy and crime proned. Indian doctors in USA are carrying out medical insurance fraud (medicare, medicaid)-overbilling/setting up shell companies for billing purposes, indiscriminately prescribing opioids drugs that are being openly sold by teenagers in high schools causing over dose and addiction problems. An Indian student just got convicted and sentenced in New Jersey for instigating the suicide of his room mate. The Indian ambassador's daughter was charged in new york for sending threatening emails to school. Another ambassador had his indian maid imprisoned at home like a slave and did not pay her for years. We all know of the indian who was on the board of directors of major american companies and was indulging in insider trading with another indian/eastern buddy and selling confidential information.
The heart of the world financial crisis was Wall Street. We grew Sandy Weill and his fellow banksters up right here on U.S. of A. soil.
Now how did you guys guess that this person – "Imelda" is a "WHITE" guy? That's really funny. He/She may be asian, hispanic? I thought it was just black people who run race cards, now even Indians too? Being an Indian myself, I can tell when it comes to racism, Indians are up, up, up there on the list.
@Jeff R: Thats what happened in the Union Carbide Case ...courtesy John Keena
The culture is to follow the 'curvy' law but talk about the great humane cultural values
So are you ready to throw oyt the millionare and billionare scam artists like Eugene Plotkin, David Plajcin, Al Parish, Stephen Trantel, Madoff, Bob McLean and many many more out of this country? According to your definition all of these are American Clowns!
If you are serious, I am really sorry for you. If the right people were going to prison, things would be getting better. And what do you do to the clowns from your own country? Believe me, there are many.
@Imelda
Very isolated anecdotal example on public forum does not serve any purpose. There are countless examples of Indians who have contributed to growth of this country who has always gained from immigrants. However, people like you will continue to bash them. Our answer is performance – and time and time we have proved.
bilay khan I am sure you are a porkisthan
The Indian Debacle could overshadow the European crisis. GDP that has dropped off the cliff (4% est), budget deficits, collapse of Indian rupiah, rampant poverty, unemployment, FDI reversal, companies leaving town are some of the disastrous events that are threatening the Indian state. The downward spiralling is so severe that the Indian government has been unable to control it. Even the Americans have been unable to help and several trips by the treasury secretary were not helpful. This also has security repercussions for India and US defense secretary and secretary of state have flown in to counsel India on how to protect its borders with the help of Israel/IDF. Rumors have it that the breakup of India along the lines of Soviet Union is a very plausible scenario that I am sure intelligence agencies all over
the world are factoring in their geopolitical stress tests.
here we have paki dudes having another of their wet dreams. i think the intelligence agencies all over the world r ready with their stress tests but not for India but on terrorististan. They have already chalked out their targets and painted them with invisible ink. Do not worry, u r generals will run with tail between their legs to states where looted money from poor people has maintained lavish mansions. Even their children study there. Rest donkeys will get killed or nuked.
Stop obsessing about Pakistan and start focusing on India. The biggest problem in India is that Indians have been taken for a ride by the americans. They have blown smoke up their skirts. Now the bubble has burst. We don't like what we see. This is going to create problems for the neighbors. China has put its armed forces on red alert along Indian border.
Can you quote the source who said China is putting forces on red alert...
Ha Ha Ha.. This is really funny stuff. You sound just like a teabagger who is trying to paint a picture about Obama. You use a tiny bit of truth and stretch it really hard.. Can you cite one credible resource supporting "Rumors have it that the breakup of India along the lines of Soviet Union is a very plausible scenario".
Pakistan zinda-bad, NO Pakistan Things-are-bad!
No ..he is not a tea bagger. He is from Porkistan. You can see anti India comments made by this individual in all India related articles
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drones.
hahahahahahahaha.
Thailand: Amazing Thailand
India: Incredible India
Malaysia: Truly Asia
#Wonder what is Pakistan's Tourism tag line is ?
"Have a Blast til u last" LOLOL
How about this – 'Pakistan – Your gateway to heaven'
The reality is that anything Muslims do, any crime, any execution, any bombing, is all justified because Allah has instructed them to do it. The hypocrisy is when moderate Muslims deny that those committing these hideous crimes are Muslims. The truth seems to be that it is peaceful Muslims that do not follow true Islam. This is a truth many Muslims must realize. They must realize the hypocrisy of Islam. If Islam means peace, then why does death, oppression, genocide, and war follow Islam everywhere it goes?
You are correct. The biggest lie they ever told was that Islam means peace.
Hamid you are a fraud change your name...you are not Muslim otherwise you would never say something like that which is uttered by many who do not know about Islam. I also have exposed you before, in other chats, you are actually not Muslim you told me.
BTW, I am not white or black, I am an islamist and I will kill anyone who does not follow allah.
Indian problem is its psyche. Mean spirited people and hypocrits. Backstabbers if you will. Financing terrorists and creating problems for its neighbors. No one respects India and Indians. Nobody takes them seriously. As a nation they bring nothing to the table except Chana Masala.
To mr. Halaku Kahn,
IIndians have given this world the Mathematics, Yoga, Aeronautics, Astrology, Genetic Science, Medicines, alongwith Sprirituality that teaches how to co-exist with other cultures & religions. Take India out of the picture from world & world would be the Europe in 100 BC. India's GDP before britishers occupies India was almost 25% of the whole world for centuries. On a separate note, take Islam out & we will be in a world without terrorism.
We have been fighting a war for the past ten years with no end. Our soldiers have shed blood to no end. Their families are suffering. Has even one Indian soldier sacrificed his life in helping the Americans, NATO and western countries in fighting this war? The answer is a resolute NO. Folks, just think about it, 1.2 million Indian Army soldiers are sitting in trenches doing what???? Sure the heck beats me. Americans are now questioning the US Congress as to what they are doing to correct this unsustainable relationship with India. The India caucus is being monitored by citizen groups. If they don't respond to the needs of the American people political contributions to them will be severely impacted.
Well written Snehal!
@ Geoffrey Marcus,
First of all american govt goes unncessarily acquiring other countries assets by war claiming to provide peace and leave people in distress (foreigners as well as americans), and you are expecting indians to join that ruckus?
It should be noted that India is a peaceful country that doesnt trouble other nations, and hence outsiders need not be jealous.
@Screeni: peaceful my @ss::
"Amnesty International is calling for an impartial investigation into mass graves found in Indian-controlled Kashmir. Sunday, India's Jammu and Kashmir State Human Rights Commission released a report saying a three-year investigation had uncovered 2,156 unidentified bodies in 38 sites in the region. In a statement released Monday, Amnesty International asked Indian officials to allow impartial forensic experts to carry out a thorough investigation of the skeletal remains. The rights group also urged Indian authorities to ensure the safety of the witnesses who gave statements to police during the investigation. Indian authorities conducted the inquiry in response to allegations that Indian security forces have committed rights abuses in fighting a more than two-decade-long Muslim separatist insurgency. Rights activists say at least 8,000 people have gone missing in Indian Kashmir since the separatists began fighting in 1989 for independence from Hindu-majority India or a merger with Muslim-majority Pakistan. Rebel attacks and Indian government crackdowns have killed at least 50,000 people
Hello Mr. George W Paki
Those bodies are not of Muslims they are of Hindus killed by deepest long bearded religious Muslims. You can see the statistics how many Hindus are living there now.
@ Mr. Marcus
I can understand where you are coming from. You may feel that America is trying set things right in the world and world/India is not helping enough. But please understand that India is a sovereign country and It's main intentions are not to satisfy "needs of the American people". India is trying to pitch in as much as it can. India is a good source for intelligence to the USA & NATO in Afghanistan. India is also trying to share some burden in policing international waters to stop piracy and so on... Please understand that India has major problems of its own to attend to, with 30 percent of its population living below the poverty line. Would USA have gone to war if it was in India's position? There's a huge uproar and every body started blaming the wars and Mr.Bush when unemployment jumped to double digits and economy stepped into a recession.
In 2007 USA defense budget was 31 times the total annual budget of India and 280 times the Indian defense budget. India neither has the resources nor the will to fight wars. India is the land of Asoka, Buddha and Gandhi. India will not wage war unless there is no other option left on the table and that is why a Pakistan still exists.
In 20 years of military service i never once saw or even heard of a person from India in the U.S. Armed Forces. Why? Seems like some sponging off the U.S.A. is going on.
Nice fairy tale!
Now that does not make any sense sir. Why would Indians enroll in U.S armed forces? Why would citizens of any country join the army of another country?
Dr. Hemlock, persons of Indian origin have been serving in the us army since the 20th century. A very quick Google search would give u your answer. Recently a man by the name of simran lamba has retained the right to keep articles of his faith while serving aswell as Dr. tejdeep rattan, an army captain.. very proximate articles appeared on both men. I feel you are grossly misinformed.
Dr Hemlock and the others posting anti India comments with a slight Pakistani tilt are just Pakistani sitting somewhere in some cave in Pakistan and posting. One thing you might have noticed they never chose a Muslim name.
Pakistan, zinda-bad, NO pakistan, things-are-BAD!
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drone.
hahahahahahahaha
The best I have heard all year!!!
Islam means peace and love and Muslims only want to be left alone to practice their beliefs–in peace. This is one of the greatest lies of the last century but many Muslims continue to say it, over and over, like a mantra, perhaps more to convince themselves than the rest of the world.
In these modern times even nomadic Bedouins have cell-phones so it is difficult for Muslims not to read or hear about the suicide bombers, the genocide, the constant attacks in Iraq , and beheadings carried out by their fellow Muslims all over the world. When it is against infidels, it is easier to accept. All can be justified, somehow, in the Quran. But more and more, Muslims are turning on other Muslims and this is not as easily explained away. For some Muslims, it must seem as though the very foundations of Islam are crumbling and there is no amount of shoring up that will save it.
Muslim men tell me the reason Muslim women must be covered head to toe is because of the respect Muslim men have for them. Any woman who shows any of her skin is “asking to be abused.” And so, since Muslim men apparently can’t control themselves, out of respect, women must be suffocated in 120 degree heat by only showing their eyes. Muslim women are even supposed to look down, rather than into a man’s eyes because that is considered to “provocative and tempting.” There seems to be a serious lack of control among some Muslim men.
Does this mean, no muslim should be allowed to stay in any of the non-muslim countries? thanks for telling us that.
That is why in UK now lots of older Paki men are drugging and raping little British girls.... because they are not sure they can reach heaven in time for 72 virgins.... LOL, there will be no more Paki virgins the way things are going.
a little rough,don;t you think?
The Aghori or Aghouri is a Hindu cult in India that is considered to have split off from the Kapalika order in the fourteenth century AD. They have cannibalistic rituals. The streets of northern Indian cities are littered with followers of this cult carrying a kapala, which is a cup made from a skull! These bizarre people will eat anything from rotten food to animal faeces. In order to achieve the highest citadel of enlightenment, the Aghori will perform horrendously crude rituals. The finality of their rituals is attained from eating the decaying flesh of a human.
At least they do not go on behading and bombing in the whole world and calling other people of other religion "Kafirs". They do not daydream of a Global Emirat and flog women while maintaining Harems. That is right. screw women, children. Send u r children to States and send poor children to Jihad. Think we are stupid?? Teach them to poor buffoons that they do not need food, electricity and water and houses but will definitely meet 72 virgins after death. Screw you, come to borders so we can send u to meet them pronto. U people r the biggest headache today.
In some Haryana villages in India, the young girls are routinely threatened, abused and killed all under Khap (tribe/clan) verdicts. It is acceptable for the families to feed pesticide pills to the teenage girls and then dispose off their bodies by burning them without any police records.
Bizarre child-burying Hindu ceremony in India
CNN:
Indian police have charged 80 people for burying children alive in an ancient Hindu ceremony known as "the festival of pits."
The ceremony, in which children - some less than a year old - are buried alive briefly and then dug up, happened on Monday in southern Tamil Nadu state, The Asian Age reported on Thursday.
Every two years, parents who have vowed to bury their first-born if they are blessed with a child, take part in the Kuzhimattru Thiru Vizha ceremony.
The children are drugged to make them unconscious and placed in shallow "graves" in temple courtyards.
The pits are covered with leaves and dirt and the children are pulled out after Hindu priests chant a brief prayer - lasting up to a minute.
In the news:
Children buried alive in Hindu ritual
ARE INDIANS UBER TERRORISTS OR WHAT???? Forget the GDP, focus on these murder statistics.
In India, millions of girls are strangled, slowly starved or simply tossed in the trash. Moreover, in India, at least 1,370 girls are aborted every day. As a comparison, some 250 Indians die every day in road accidents. Terrorists killed about six people, on an average, every day in 2009. In the last two decades of economic progress, 10 million girls have died as such in India.
SHAME ON INDIA AND ITS BARBARIC AND MEDIEVAL CULTURE !!!
Indians have killed more human beings (girls particularly) than Al Qaeda and Talibans put together.
To Mo Montana
You really need to stop reading the "alternative press". They make FoxNews look like Edward R. Murrow Award Winners. They are the epitome of rumor mongering and outright lying to perpetuate racial and cultural stereotypes in addition to maximizing American xenophobia.
We know this because we have taught them.
If you follow islam anything is possible.
You want to get rid of your nasty mother in law?
There are PAKISTANI TROLLs on this board.
who LIE
Buddy – Aghora or no Aghora- Atleast our freedoms of thought, speech,religion are guaranteed and every 1 year we keep voting for our city/town/village/central government. We don't throw acid on girl students,grow poppy for the rest of the world illegally and deal with an army out of the barracks almost all of the time!
In some Haryana villages in India, the young girls are routinely threatened, abused and killed all under Khap (tribe/clan) verdicts. It is acceptable for the families to feed pesticide pills to the teenage girls and then dispose off their bodies by burning them without any police records.
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drones.
hahahahahahahaha
What is the National drink of India ?
Cow pee, human pee, take your pick.. heck take your pee. LOL.....
Not sure , confused, seeking incredible drinks? Google "Morarji Desai"
LOL...
Muslim tribal patriarchy worked well in the beginning of time, when humans quickly learnt that their survival chances were improved if they lived in groups, with assigned tasks. As females were essential to the tribe as bearers of future generations, the males had the task of providing shelter, food and safety for them and their young.
However, over the centuries, tribes developed more complicated systems, and protection and care of females and children became more restrictive with rules and taboos. These accorded power to males and tribal heads. Females were seen as dependent, weak and lacking in intelligence. These restrictions couched by males in the language of religion or culture, still exist today for many women.
"The streets of northern Indian cities are littered with followers of this cult carrying a kapala" ! really I am from North India , have seen much of aghoris ! Paki !
TOUGH TIMES IN INDIA: FOREIGN FIRMS PACKING AND RUNNING FOR EXITS
“NEW DELHI/MUMBAI: Frustrated by a lack of opportunities in India, Germany's Fraport (FRAG.DE), the world's No. 2 airport operator, is shutting its development office in the country, the latest in a growing list of companies exiting Asia's third-largest economy.
"When we came to India in 2006, we were actually extremely bullish about the market. We felt India had a lot of potential at that time," Ansgar Sickert, who heads Fraport's India operations, told Reuters in a telephone interview on Friday.
"We were disappointed when none of these opportunities materialized," said Sickert.
The list of companies to leave India includes telecoms carriers Etisalat ETEL.AD of Abu Dhabi and Bahrain Telecommunications Co BTEL.BH. Another firm, Norway's state-backed Telenor (TEL.OLhas threatened to pull out…..
India definitely faces the threat of more foreign companies signaling an exit in the near future, as well as warding off new entrants. …
According to a Nomura report last month, multinationals pulled $10.7 billion out of the country in 2011, up from $7.2 billion in 2010 and $3.1 billion in 2009.
Hamid, I am so proud of you stating the truth. These islamists hate Hindus so much that they propagate lies to denigrate and justify themselves.
An Arabic word only has one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.
Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace is often brought about through forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."
In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.
ETSalat did not leave India, but it was kicked out of it. Ever heard about 2G spectrum case in India where the ministers were jailed because of corruption charges? Please don't give incorrect statements. What is the punishments in quaran for lying?
No punishment.
Muzzies are rewarded for lying.
Telenor is just another company like Vodafone who is trying to evade govt taxes. besides that they were never able to capture a big market in India
Too bad for those companies, they must have failed to understand what is in demand in India and how business is done in India. Lot of other companies have flourished in Indian markets. Don't blame the country blame the company for their failures. keep in mind this is a slow down of growth not a reversal, a result of the current global economic stress.
DEMISE OF INDIA: A political Expose'
The American invasion of Afghanistan brought to the forefront the irrelevance of India as a nation. With a population of over 1.2 billion people there was no value that this nation could bring to the table. Their soldiers (ragtag) 1.2million continue hiding in the trenches scared from Talibans. A few teenage Talibans invaded the country and held it hostage for days on end showing how useless India is. It was embarrasing for the world to observe this humiliation of a nation that was being touted as a regional power. The Talibans brought them down in a few days with some BB guns. It is all over for India. Its demise is in process and should be completed with Afghanistan withdrawal.
You dream a lot brother. But there is a difference between dream & reality. India stands the unconquered territory for islam & judaism even after their rules of 700 years & 400 years respectively. Ever checked the fact sheet?
No, he wouldn't check the facts. He is a paki
. That explains all !
"The American invasion of Afghanistan brought to the forefront the irrelevance of India as a nation."
Yes I know there is no connection with what I say but I am trying so very very hard to sound smart. My imam says I must try my hardest to destabalize America or I will become a suicide bomber.
IP recognition.
You are a Jew. You try hard to spew hates.
You are using multiple names on CNN and other sites. To name few:
Patrick-2
Decmocrat
Clark Rutger
Suleiman the Magnificent
Krm1007
T-bone Thakur,..
Becareful!!!
Oh yeah, well yu better be careful.
Kick your ass all over America.
India's economy: The tiger that's actually an elephant
Investors have been disappointed by India's slowing growth, and even more sheen came off last week courtesy of S&P's downgrade. Panelists on a Global Conference session on India agreed that the move was justified by the macro picture.
India's coalition politics may slow reforms, said Apollo's Sanjay Patel, especially since many poor voters are not educated. "Tiger is the wrong word," he said, arguing that a lumbering elephant is a better analogy. Growth will be constrained by the complexities of its democracy.
Seems like the India is falling apart at the seams. Poverty is rampant, societal values have collapsed; inflation is in the clouds while the rupee is in the toilet. This economic and political model has failed. The moment US pulls out of Afghanistan, China will be all over India. I doubt India will survive 2012 as we know it and may have to revert back to its communist/socialist roots as a fragmented nation divided along ethnic lines as independent states.
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Is this the caliber of Indians who want to come to America? Stay home.
Stay home regardless of caliber.
Well India has survived for thousands of years, so this change is not something like in America or Europe that has drastic effects. The problem is politics which is affecting the business decisions and the progress.
India survives because the world sends aid to them all the time.
@Hemlock. So you are saying that the world sent India enough money to make it the 11th largest economy in the world? Dude your statement is so dumb that I am not even sure how to argue with it.
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drones.
Hats off to Ravi Agrawal. The comments being posted re: India has finally registered with him. So he decided to undergo a catharsis lest CNN not be taken seriously.Here is some more poetic offerings to describe the phenom in India.
THE HOUSE OF CARDS CALLED INDIA (Hindustan)
Good friends, sweet friends, let me not stir you up
Friends and countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury India, not to praise it.
The evil that India has done will live after it;
There is no good in the bones of any Indian body.
They are nothing but evil, nothing but cowards and all.
If you have tears, prepare to shed them now.
If you have any b@lls, prepare to sacrifice them now.
But the time has come for Indians to get out of the trenches from hiding,
And face the Talibans head on and do the biding.
Protecting your country is Indian responsibility,
Subcontracting to Americans, Israelis and South Koreans is not an enduring possibility.
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Is this the intelelctual level of Indians who want to migrate to USA? We don't want you.
@James McDonald. America does not want you too James.
Go away James – I mean the paki using a christian name.
You indians are ALL PAKI'S...its a designated name for all indian type people be it india, pakistan, sri-lanka so dont act like you are all better than people from pakistan babu. You are a paki ram!! (and paki does not mean from pakistan, it is a kind way of calling your kind)
@ The Truth, this generalization of yours is like saying all whites nazi. So it does not mean anything.
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drone
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HONOR KILLINGS IN INDIA
To be young and in love has proved fatal for many young girls and boys in parts of north India as an intolerant and bigoted society refuses to accept any violation of its rigid code of decorum, especially when it comes to women. The two teenage girls who were shot dead last week by a cousin in Noida for daring to run away to meet their boyfriends are the latest victims of honour killings, a euphemism for doing away with anyone seen as spoiling the family's reputation. Many such killings are happening with regularity in Punjab, Haryana and western Uttar Pradesh. These are socially sanctioned by caste panchayats and carried out by mobs with the connivance of family members.
That sounds more like something that happens in the Islamic world and not India. Although there are over 500,000 Muslims in India so I could see that possible.
He just wanted to show you the mirror. I know you don't like what you see. But that is your heritage and culture in India.
138 million as per 2001 census
Matthew "That sounds more like something that happens in the Islamic world and not India. Although there are over 500,000 Muslims in India so I could see that possible.. "
By the way Sati.. the custom of burning the bride with her dead husband is not a muslim tradition...... Don't forget that Islam spread to parts of world where old traditions and customs never died even if people converted....True Islam has no place for any of the filth like Satti, or infant girl abortions / killings. or beheading and other cruel practices for that matter.. The only reason Islam spread so quickly is because people wanted freedom from such oppressive practices.... Ask all the sub caste Indian villagers that find humanity by converting to Islam...even in current "Incredible India"
India is a great nation and could be even greater if they address the situations which currently go on:
1) Such as racism to Muslim and Xtian minorities by the BJP and other communal parties.
2) Promote cast equality
3)Ban the illegetimate abortion of girls in the fetus mainly done by Hindus
4) Recognize that stories such as the one here are often common place among both Muslims and Hindus
5) Truely fight and change the mindset of Hindus and Muslims (and all Indians) regarding corruption.
Peace, to all
Just google Shafilea-Ahmed if you want to know about Pakisatni honor killings in EUROPE!!
Honour killings. Muslims petty much own the patent.
Hamid – you non-Muslim witha a Muslim name (you have been exposed in other chats) – too bad cnn.com has idiots like you that do nothing to focus on the real issues and provide intelligent discussion. It seems you do not know about the numerous killings of women in Hindu villages of women due to them trying to marry a different caste?
Habibi tell me all about it.
Just make sure you cite your sources.
I'm listening.
Things will change. It's just happening everywhere.
LIPSTICK ON A PIG: The Story of India
Mirror Mirror on the Wall
Indian Hindus are the slimiest of them all
The way you let the Shadows Play
You'd think my hair was getting Gray.
What's that, you say? A double chin?
Nah, that's the way the light comes in.
Self Denial....is the Hindu play
Maybe catharsis is another way.
This is funny!
Incredible india? is just an incredible twist in reality which you are experiencing...
WHERE IS THE BEEF? The Indian Dilemma:::
India needs to get its head from out the clouds. Let India be India. India is about poor people and lower caste. It is all about the cow not the hamburgers or the steaks.
A lot of racist comments....most of you are horrible people!
I think all the Anti-Indian comments are coming from Pakistan-Americans and vice versa. Every CNN article about India or Pakistan always tends to turn into a internet war between the two groups.
There is so much one can do to make an ugly country look good.
But whatever you do in case of India is analogous to spattering some cheap lipstick on a cow.
Now one may not want to kiss this cow but sure would love some steaks!!
LMAO!!!
Rita- you're so right. I'm not even sure why I scroll down on these news articles. It makes me lose faith in humanity...
Matthew
I think all the Anti-Indian comments are coming from Pakistan-Americans and vice versa. Every CNN article about India or Pakistan always tends to turn into a internet war between the two groups.
Yes sure and the Anti Pakistan comments are coming from Aliens from Andromeda ...Indians will never do tha...
I agree Rita...Racist towards Muslims,Hindus, Pakistan, and India – lets just stop fighting and try to really fix the ECONOMIC situation (what this article is discussing). All you guys are focused on is Hindu this or Muslim that...just stop.
I am your A typical islamist. When you look for the guilty, I point my crooked finger at everyone else.
Good trick yes?
Female children are discriminated against from the moment of birth, for it is customary in Muslim societies to regard a son as a gift, and a daughter as a trial, from God. Therefore, the birth of a son is an occasion for celebration while the birth of a daughter calls for commiseration if not lamentation. Many girls are married when they are still minors, even though marriage in Islam is a contract and presupposes that the contracting parties are both consenting adults. Even though so much Qur'anic legislation is aimed at protecting the rights of women in the context of marriage women cannot claim equality with their husbands. The husband, in fact, is regarded as his wife's gateway to heaven or hell and the arbiter of her final destiny. That such an idea can exist within the framework of Islam – which, in theory, rejects the idea of there being any intermediary between a believer and God – represents both a profound irony and a great tragedy.
Hamid – you are not Muslim, just pose with a Muslim name on these chats...its unfortuante but most Muslims like many Hindus and others tend not to look introspectively at their own problem and instead blame the other side. Which makes it obvious you are not Muslim...not to mention you have been exposed in other chats...your comments are always the same in nature.
As a muslim jihadist, I have learned to spew poison while remaining incognito.
If you want to learn how to lie, read the Qur'an.
Good riddance to bad rubbish is all I can saw. Companies are finally bringing jobs back to India. Sick and tired of sub-standard work, bad communication and if you overall measure productivity, India is more expensive. Glad everyone is realizing that.
this is exactly what needs to be said. He is not condemning India or saying that there isn't reason for optimism. Simply put – we just have to pursue success and growth in the right way or not realize any of our potential. Let's just hope singh gets some of his courage back.
The bottom line is that the only way to have peace in Afghanistan and lessen regional tension is split India into pieces. It has become too big to govern or create any value for western countries or even for its own population. We have invested a lot of resources in India over the past two decades and given a lot of aid to prop it up. There has been no investment on this return. Instead India has squandered all the resources in building nuclear weapons while poverty remains rampant in the country. We need to revisit our relationship with India. American taxpayers will not tolerate this anymore. We need to take care of our own populace going forward. We cannot be exporting jobs to India or giving it financial or technical handouts.
The thesis is that smaller independent states will generate tremendous economic demand for western nations, be democratically more efficient and easy to manage
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Wow, These indians are obsessed with their neighbors a fifth of their size. pathetic. Go home Indian !
As a good muslim, I went to the madrassa and learned how to lie.
The first thing you have to do is take a white name.
The second is lie.
That is all that is necessary.
Good luck!
Women are the targets of the most serious violations of human rights which occur in Muslim societies in general. Muslims say with great pride that Islam abolished female infanticide; true, but, it must also be mentioned that one of the most common crimes in a number of Muslim countries (e.g., in Pakistan) is the murder of women by their husbands. These so-called "honor-killings" are, in fact, extremely dishonorable and are frequently used to camouflage other kinds of crimes.
Hamid – you are not Muslim, just pose with a Muslim name on these chats...its unfortuante but most Muslims like many Hindus and others tend not to look introspectively at their own problem and instead blame the other side. Which makes it obvious you are not Muslim...not to mention you have been exposed in other chats...your comments are always the same in nature.
And who are you? PM of Afghanistan or president of USA?
Indian States Poorer than African nations: UNDP
According to the new measure called the Multi-dimensional Poverty Index (MPI) developed by UNDP acute poverty prevails in eight Indian states which includes Bihar, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal. They account for more poor people than in the 26 poorest African nations combined.
An analysis by its creators reveal that there are more than MPI poor people in 8 Indian states (421 million in Bihar, Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, MP, Orissa, Rajasthan, UP and West Bengal) than in the 26 poorest African countries combined (410 million).The MPI supplants the Human Poverty Index which had been included in the Annual Human Development Reports since 1997.
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Guess the truth hurts, Ram.
Hi U Ram , with Paki Alerts... you are Ram .. definately an incredible indian.......for u it is a Kaki alert..ur wife just had a kaki, don't u need to go bury her live to fix your problems ( Kaki = infant girl in hindi )
We have saying along that::::
"Experimental Democracy" has failed in India. An experiment that was being shoved down India's throat by western countries too eager to propagate their own values on a country that was trying to decolonize itself while trying to shed the communist skin of being a Soviet ally. India was thus trapped. What has become evident now is that this "Experimental Democracy" has marginalized the country. The marginalized groups of the country – Dalits and ‘backward’ castes/classes, indigenous ‘tribal’ people and religious minorities have been disenfranchised. "The belief that corruption is the important issue in the country is shared only by the minority living in urban areas and towns who have been beneficiaries of economic liberalization policies mandated by western countries. The most important challenges of Indian society remain as follows: justice, social and economic equality and equal access to certain standards of life for all Indians. “While India seems too eager to please its western masters and put on a progressive and softer face for CNN for public consumption, people see through it. The consequences of this "Band – Aid" approach will be brutal for India geo-politically when it realizes that the GDP statistics that it has been relying to gage its progress has not amounted to much in the long run
I am so stoopid.
I repeat what I hear without understanding any of it.
We outsourced and H1b Visa most of our middle class jobs. So we did what we could to make India a happy place.
Do you have any idea where the H1B Guys work? 90 % in IT. Still plenty of oppurtunities out there in IT. Ask your middle class children to go to college and get a degree rather than partying and spending most of the times in Gym and time pass.
I worked with Indians in Dubai and they are the worst kind. Lazy, double dealing, dirty, smelly, stab you in the back kind.
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drones.
hahahahahaha
Plenty of Americans who have college degrees are out of work, while American companies are hiring in India. Level of education has nothing to do with it - the fact that Indians have no standards and are willing to work for slave wages does. American companies = slave drivers, Indian IT "professionals" = slaves
INDIA:::: Some Alarming Statistics: (Source: UNDP)
• 1/3rd world’s poor is in India. It also has a higher proportion of its population living on less than $ 2 per day than even sub-Saharan Africa.
• 828 million people or 75.6% of the Indian population is living below $2 a day. 42% of the population is living below the new international poverty line.
• 33% of the global poor are Indians. Sub-Saharan Africa considered the world’s poorest region is better than India.
• 41.8% of the rural population survive with monthly per capita consumption expenditure of Rs447 ($7)on essential necessities like food, fuel, light and clothing.
Wow. This is astounding. Thanks for the post.
just kidding. Just fooooooling around.
Been there and seen it. I was astounded at the huge gap between rich and poor. Donkey carts and Mercedes on the same street. Let's just hope the US does not go down this path. We need to close the gap between the classes.
I have seen it in the USA too right outside showrooms of Ferrari in La Jolla , California , there were a bunch of scavengers going through trash for scraps of food. So get outside of your world and see the reality!
Where did you get all these stats, can you cite the sources please.
Stats? What stats. We dont need no stinking stats.
India has among the highest numbers of hungry children in the world-nearly double that of sub-Saharan Africa.
And...and...17% of the US population on FOOD Stamps, take that away and what do you get
Pessimism spiral started by Indians. Incredible. Only in India, throughout our history we have been plagued by traitors and naysayers.
INDIA: On a Goat and a Stick:
The problem with India is that is built on a system of cultural and societal values based on Hinduism which is a cult. Nations built on a cult seldom survive in the long run. You can only take it so far based on symbolisms of a goat and a stick with a skinny little man aka gandhi banging boys at night and spinning wheels during daytime.
All religions are cults – just a few years ago they were burning witches in Salem and lets not even talk about those moronic Tally-buns and their warped lifestyle
Also the numbers in this article are off. Indias growth from 2011-2012 was 6.5%.
Please stop bowing to your Western Imperial Masters Ravi Agarwal!
Ktrac is doing a good job replying the racist and biased americans and terrorist pakistanis! Looks like americans like jihadis and terrorists from pakistan more. Let them keep those pakis with them and leave behind intellectuals from india! India will grow! Let all the spelling bees, math bees and geography bees fly back to India! That will change the face of India!
New, More Dangerous Hindu Extremist Groups Emerge in India
Christians concerned as rightwing factions splinter to form militant outfits.
PUNE, India, October 29 (CDN) — After more than a decade of severe persecution, India’s Christian minority is growing increasingly concerned over the mushrooming of newer and deadlier Hindu extremist groups.
Gone are the days when Christians had to watch out only for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and its youth wing, Bajrang Dal, which are closely linked with the most influential Hindu extremist umbrella organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). With voter support faltering for the RSS’s political wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), moderate and extremist sections within the Hindu nationalist movement are blaming each other, and militant splinter groups have emerged.
Claiming to be breakaway factions of the RSS, new groups with even more extreme ideology are surfacing. The Abhinav Bharat (Pride of India), the Rashtriya Jagran Manch (National Revival Forum), the Sri Ram Sene (Army of god Rama), the Hindu Dharam Sena (Army for Hindu Religion) and the Sanatan Sanstha (Eternal Organization) have launched numerous violent attacks on Christian and Muslim minorities.
The biggest danger to humans is other ignorant humans, especially religious ones who think they have it all fugured out and everyone else is wrong.
Yes, this is wrong, but when you think, if you can think, that pakistan WIPED OUT 17% of its population that was Hindu or Sikh, this pales into insignificance..
@DES
17%? I don't think I believe that statistic...whats your sources on that?
What sources? We dont need no stinking sources. We know what we know!
Mumbai and Chennai are the illegal cricket gambling capitals of the world. Cash Flows from these operations are being siphoned off by the Indian government to finance terrorists globally, particularly in the region. This off the book financing is also being used, in the case of sales of illegal booze, to finance terrorism. This way the indians are able to dodge the american financial radar.The american congressional politicians have been alerted to the double game Indians are playing.
Jenna, no one in the U.S. cares one bit about cricket except former residents of India. No more than people in India care one bit about American football.
No matter how you slice it, India is a Shiv Sena republic with an extremist bent. These are Noveau Nazis with a Hindu twist.
English please..
That was English dummy....I suggest you learn it.
AN INDIAN SAGA
HUMPTY DUMPTY: Had a great fall
India is pretty much done. The bubble has burst. India is sliding downhill at supersonic speed. GDP growth has disappeared...the only growth left is the hair between their legs
India poses a clear and present danger to the regional security of the world. ...to USA...NATO...Pakistan and Afghanistan people and armed forces. Hindu cult extremism is on the rise and fanning all terrorism worldwide. Indians are the bankers to and financing terrorism and supporting Talibans and Al Qaeda and harboring them in India. These terrorists are being entertained in the Indian parliament building in New Delhi where they are residing and then smuggled over to Pakistan in Indian Army helicopters. Shame on these Indians.
What a nonsensical post you did! Lack of world knowledge and happenings around you! With this kind of low IQ and knowledge... I can bet that you must be a racist white or a cunning Pakistani!! Do not talk about what you don't know! Don't spread rumors & wrong information!
Self Denial …Self Denial…. Is the Hindu play.
Maybe catharsis is another way
india also has fanatical terrorist groups of muslims and christians. It seems like so many of their social issues begin and end with religious bigotry.
New, More Dangerous Hindu Extremist Groups Emerge in India
Christians concerned as rightwing factions splinter to form militant outfits.
PUNE, India, October 29 (CDN) — After more than a decade of severe persecution, India’s Christian minority is growing increasingly concerned over the mushrooming of newer and deadlier Hindu extremist groups.
Gone are the days when Christians had to watch out only for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and its youth wing, Bajrang Dal, which are closely linked with the most influential Hindu extremist umbrella organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). With voter support faltering for the RSS’s political wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), moderate and extremist sections within the Hindu nationalist movement are blaming each other, and militant splinter groups have emerged.
Claiming to be breakaway factions of the RSS, new groups with even more extreme ideology are surfacing. The Abhinav Bharat (Pride of India), the Rashtriya Jagran Manch (National Revival Forum), the Sri Ram Sene (Army of god Rama), the Hindu Dharam Sena (Army for Hindu Religion) and the Sanatan Sanstha (Eternal Organization) have launched numerous violent attacks on Christian and Muslim minorities.
This is why your country is a joke – KARMA is catching u with you...FFFFASSSSTTTT
India needs 25% > GDP just to keep up with current level of poverty. You can see the losing proposition India is as a nation in current form. Better to have a controlled implosion than an explosion that will shatter the region. .
Not to forget that India is a nuclear nation (thanks to South Korea) and we don't want them to fall in the hands of talibans. As you may recall, a few teenage talibans literally walked into Mumbai and held up the whole country without any resistance a few years ago.
Freize...
Better remember that we are fighting terrorism for decades.. even centuries! We are expert in it. So, talibans can never be even closer to our soil! We are more humane and soft cornered in reality! But we know how to deal them. And, it's not talibans who enter india! It's always pakis who enter illegally as terrorists! They get their plan & sponsor from the dragon china! Remember, a fall of india would mean a stronger islamic-communist alliance in asia against US. That region is not iraq for US to easily handle! India is a lonely democratic country with good culture in that region! Also, it doesn't depend on anyone for it's survival, inspite of islamic terrorists and communist dragons around them! Remember that it is US who needs desparate help of India in Afghanistan!
@still_indian: Read My Lips....the beginnign of the end is here for India.
The bottom line is that the only way to have peace in Afghanistan and lessen regional tension is split India into pieces. It has become too big to govern or create any value for western countries or even for its own population. We have invested a lot of resources in India over the past two decades and given a lot of aid to prop it up. There has been no investment on this return. Instead India has squandered all the resources in building nuclear weapons while poverty remains rampant in the country. We need to revisit our relationship with India. American taxpayers will not tolerate this anymore. We need to take care of our own populace going forward. We cannot be exporting jobs to India or giving it financial or technical handouts.
Kwak chek mai.. Correction! All your jobs are in china and not in india! Except weapons & currency, nothing is manufactured in US. All are done in china. You don't make even your flag. China makes it. So, ask your companies where they keep all their jobs. They will tell u. India is a service sector for global world. Not only for US. And India doesn't receive a single penny as financial aid from US government! Mind it. We don't need it. US didn't do any busines until a decade ago. Didn't we live then. So, stop spitting hatred and find the truth about your own problems and knock the right doors.
South Korea? It`s North Korea.
That is exaclty why China put a "string of pearls" around India. We were anticipating this. The future of USA is with Chinese expats and high quality students who are enriching american society.
The billions of dollars in cash that is sent abroad by folks working here in the states as H1B guest workers… so we send plenty of aid to India
LIPSTICK ON A PIG: The Story of India
There is so only so much one can do to make a pig look pretty
Slapping some lipstick is the epitomy.
India is mired in sewage and poverty.
GDP growth GDP growth
Has done nothing but made the people loathe.
Lipstick on a Pig is the Indian way
An implosion will soon ease the pain
The Qur'an recognizes the right of human beings to be protected from defamation, sarcasm, offensive nicknames, and backbiting. It also states that no person is to be maligned on grounds of assumed guilt and that those who engage in malicious scandal-mongering will be grievously punished in both this world and the next.
The muzzies posting these nasty comments should go up a mountain and read their Qur'an again and again.
NEW DELHI: A man slapped India’s agriculture minister in the face on Thursday, apparently to draw attention to rising food prices and corruption.
Sharad Pawar was talking to reporters at a political function when the man attacked him. TV news reports said the man was shouting slogans about inflated food prices and graft.
You know why I hit him? The common man is distressed. Am I wrong?” he shouted as he was being taken away.
CNN-IBN TV reported that the man was detained by police. Pawar was not seriously hurt.
“You are all corrupt… People are fed up,” the man said, adding that the Indian government must adopt a tough anti-graft law being considered by lawmakers.
Such incidents have become increasingly common in India, where ministers and other officials have had shoes thrown at them and their offices ransacked by angry citizens.
Hopefully the trend of exporting high-paying IT jobs to this country will stop. A cheaper solution is not always a better solution.
India needs to stop interfering in the affairs of its neighbors and start focusing on the tremendous problems facing the country within. Communism did not succeed in India. Democracy has failed also.
It appears to me that another implosion of India is the most probable outcome. Minorities are disenfranchised and need their own country to have skin in the game.
To my brother Firoz,
Please look at minorities in Pakistan. The ahmediyas, the kadiyanis, the mujahirs, women, girls, hindus, christians, & i dont think any jew is left alive now. We will get there, trust me, we will. We have managed to overcome all of our internal iissues – be it political, social or financial, for billions of years. Thats why they say, 'kuch baat hai hamme, ki hasti mitti nahi hamari'
But what will happen to Pakistan? Will it be able to survive another lash when Baluchistan will be broken away from it? And as per India, I am sure if any political party will try to harm any of our muslim brother or sister, 10 hindus will die to protect each person from minority. We always have.....
Feroz – Ha Ha Ha Ha ...... Keep dreaming. You belong to nation of failure built on false and disproved premise and clinging to hope that will never materialize. Failure Failure Failure Failure Failure nation.
This is not about Pakistan. This is about India. So please stay focused. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
ok this is about India right....We have a Minority Prime Minister...can you tell me any other country where this has happened
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drone.
hahaha...tsk tsk
Feroz salam from India:
Bhai what you are saying has very little validity... Really the state of Muslims in India is very good (there are those that have bigoted mindsets but that is everywhere – dare I say even in Pakistan – but they are a vocal (very loud) but very small (insignificant) minority. The fact is that when it comes to economics a poor Hindu is as effected as a poor Muslim (and there are a lot of both). I think Pakistan has many problems of its own...Muslim on Muslim violence is a shame...kamse kam hindustan main hum apne dushmanon ko pehchan toh sakta hoon...aur vase bhe bahot kam hain...
Khuda Hafiz
Humpty Dumpty (India) sat on the wall .... Humpty Dumpty watched the GDP fall. Even the American horses and Israeli donkeys could not keep India together again.
So Americans are horses & Israelis are donkeys? Looks like the quaranic teachings for barbaric mohammad has truly engrained in you, my dear.
As per Americans, it is not India that has taken millions of dollars to kill their brothers in neighbors, & I am not talking about Afghans here. But we share common values – Democracy, Freedom of speech, which, none of the Islamic states don’t know about. They knew about it though, before mohammad invaded the land & converted them all.
Now with Israelis, we share common history of holocaust. Us with the hands of muslims & christians & them, with the hands of Nazis, muslims, Christians.
1947
Birth of Pakistan – Beginning of the Demise of India
This year marks the first implosion of India as a nation. This year also represents the loss of Indian conscience following the massacre of over 3 million innocent Muslim civilians, women and children who were migrating to Pakistan. We shall never forget. We won’t let the world forget. There will be accountability. We understand what the jews and armenians went through and can relate to them. What you are trying to do is typical of hindu psyche that others have pointed out. Backstabbing, driving wedge between people, double dealing and more. This is a great example of why Indians are not respected in htis world. They are looked down upon and frowned on.
Sir, don't insult the jews by comparing them to indian hindus. L'chaim
Well, first of all, Indians are not looked down in the world, they are looked up at. How do I know this? Because I know how to use google, which, I am sure 90% of females staying in their burkhas, serving to their husband & his (atleast) 3 other wives – don’t. When over 3 millions innocent muslims were killed, more hindus & Sikhs as well as muslims who did not want to leave India were also killed by their fellow muslims. We regret those days & we are sorry for such madness. But, we do not teach in our text books that all muslims are killers. Our society was an open society before muslim invaders, women were respected, they had more freedom. We were a prosperous, flourishing society. Please read history before making funny accusations. Hindus are looked down upon – only in pakistan & may be in other Islamic state – that has now been proved, from your comment.
With regards to losing a piece of land and to pakistan, we atleast had courage to cut loose the rotten & stinky portion of our country & didn’t wait for gangrene to occur. To see today’s Pakistan, type today’s pakistan in google.
TO: Zane Abdullah Birth of Pakistan – Beginning of the Demise of India
If birth of pakistan was beginning of the demise of India,
death of pakistan would be then beginning of prosperity in India?!!
The US is still light years ahead of all of the BRIC countries.
India has no infrastructure. China has no legal system.
And yet, multinational countries are still wetting themselves over BRIC. Why? Cheap labor, I guess. But at what cost?
Wow, showing the narrow mindedness of arrogant Americans.
Have you forgotten that your own country is in the decline... and owns way too much debt.
Seriously CNN! Can you PLEASE NOT CENTER your articles so that they are legible?! Its an easy thing to fix by anyone who knows even a smidgeon of HTML!! Please STOP posting articles like this.
If they'd just market all of those cattle walking around all over the place pooping in the streets, their economy would rebound like nobody's business.
Perhaps open up some steak joints..... if they can afford them anymore.
Corruption in Education system in India – A UNESCO Report
India’s education system is mired in corruption.
Another indictment of the sorry state of Indian education was the view held by students that cheating in examinations is their traditional right. In India universities cheating is now well-established. The fees for manipulating entrance tests ranges between $80 to $20,000 for popular programmes such as computer science, medicine and engineering the report said.
I challenge all US universities to check the credentals of all students coming from India. Immigration department should do same. They have been faking their records to come here. Shame.
So this is shocking and suprising news... It is a way of life in India
Since the modern notion of human rights originated in a Western, secular context, Muslims in general, but Muslim women in particular, find themselves in a quandary when they initiate, or participate in, a discussion on human rights whether in the West or in Muslim societies. Based on their life experience, most Muslim women who become human rights advocates or activists, feel strongly that virtually all Muslim societies discriminate against women from cradle to grave. This leads many of them to become deeply alienated from Muslim culture in a number of ways. This bitter sense of alienation oftentimes leads to anger and bitterness toward the patriarchal systems of thought and social structures which dominate most Muslim societies.
We have been fighting a war for the past ten years with no end. Our soldiers have shed blood to no end. Their families are suffering. Has even one Indian soldier sacrificed his life in helping the Americans, NATO and western countries in fighting this war? The answer is a resolute NO. Folks, just think about it, 1.2 million Indian Army soldiers are sitting in trenches doing what???? Scared of talibans.
Sure the heck beats me.
Americans are now questioning the US Congress as to what they are doing to correct this unsustainable relationship with India. The India caucus is being monitored by citizen groups. If they don't respond to the needs of the American people political contributions to them will be severely impacted.
India is doing OK – Rating agencies are a total joke. The destiny of 1 billiion strong remains strong. If India agreed to support US embargo Iran, then the ratings would not have changed. Now you know the rest of the story
Mirror Mirror on the Wall.....show the Indian Hindus the realities of them all.
The way you let the shadows play
You’d think my hair was getting gray.
What’s that, you say? A double chin?
No, that’s the way the light comes in.
Self Denial …Self Denial…. Is the Hindu play.
Maybe catharsis is another way
Before an implosion withers them away
Please stop singing merry tales. I know, its hard to grow up, reading from the same quaran over & over again for years.
When whole of your own house is on fire, why would you worry about the fire in your neighbor's garage?
Come to papa you need a teddy bear hug Sandusky style.
I'm a talkin to @snehal
When the flames from neighbor's fire come over the fence it becomes the other's problema. Kapiche? India is dragging the neighbors down. Now git.
i'd rather have the nukes blow India away. Love your poem.
To my brother Jumpy about a hug:
Dear brother,
Why don’t you give your teddy bear Sandusky style hug to your mom? I am sure she will surely cherish the moments? Or may be, she is already, huh?
"Dave", are you manic?
India's only problem is it's bad neighborhood! Mexico is not a communist or Islamic country. But still US keeps complaining about them. Imagine that India has terror state Pakistan and evil china forming an evil axis across India! So, it takes a while to dodge them to grow! But we will! Because we depend on ourselves and not others! Yes, there are problems with in India. That's none the less different or more than what is there in other developed countries! People are dealing with it and will come out successfully! Above all, India is a country run by it's own 1.2 billion people; not by some communist dictators or some religious fraternity! So,in long run it will succeed!
There is no more long run for India. Didn't you say the hindu civilization is 9000 years old? The end of the road is here. We don't like what we see. The worst is yet to come.
Complaining about Mexico? My only complaint is that each day the drug lords get richer, fatter, and more people die. I can assure you the Mexicans will be complaining a lot more when their government is taken hostage by militant, murdering dealers. 55,000+ dead and counting in Neuevo Loredo alone since Calderon declared his war on drugs....but why complain?
Hats off to the author of this article. His message to the Indians is to look in the mirror and face the realities before it is too late. Americans have done everything they could to prop India up and failed. Israel has sent their best to protect india and failed. CNN tried its best to provide positive media coverage and failed. Now only Indians can help themselves by facing REALITY on the ground. It does not look good.
It is our view that India (land of the bankers to terrorists) is geographically, culturally and politically trapped, isolated and encircled. Now that it has been cut off from rest of Asia, the Indians (unfortunately) have nowhere to go but into the ocean. A look at a map conveys the inevitability of this scenario. For India to survive, it has no choice but to have excellent relations with Pakistan. This is a matter of time. The question is whether Pakistan has a big heart to accommodate the very survival of India/Hindu race. Perhaps not this time around.
OMG....what a comment! Now I am scared – as to what will happen to pakistan?! But I thought, this blog was not about pakis, but anyways.
However, I wonder though, why these pakis are changing their names to western names in this blog? May be they are ashamed to use their muslim names?! Its okay, this ingenious religion will be wiped off of this earth sooner than we think.
While this article is eye opening, what shocked me was a recent news article about an ongoing genocide in India. It is indicative of a total disregard of human lives. I would have thought that this would have ended with Kosovo and Bosnia. Perhaps it is time for USA and NATO to start bombing New Delhi as it did in Kosovo and Bosnia to stop this ethnic cleansing and murders. After all the military assets are nearby in Afghanistan and Bahrain and this could be accomplished with minimal cost
TO: Sheikh Krishna bin Govind
This is for Sheikh Krishna bin Govind’s comments:
And US should bomb India because osama was found in India? No? then some other militant group may be? No? Awww, sorry, we don’t have anything that would bring westerners to bomb our country.
May be, its time for our mighty neighbors should learn from us & save their buts from getting bitten by everyday drone attacks?!
Pakistan now needs to protect itself from the economic implosion/bubble burst in India. It is over folks, in India. Unemployment is record high, inflation is out of control, rupee has collapsed, budget deficit has widened,, multinationals such as Delta Airlines, Dell Computers, GE and Microsoft are already shifting their call centers to Canada, FDI has almost halted. Nobody wants to do business there anymore as terrorism is shifting there in months to come and the country/politics are too big/corrupt/decentralized to be conducive to do business. Pakistan needs to close its borders along India as Indians will soon be crossing over for food. You will now see Indian government trying to get friendly, solving the Kashmir issue and the cricket team wanting to tour Pakistan.
That was hilarious! Good one!
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drone.
haaaaahahahahahahhahahahahaha...tsk tsk
things are not good in India or China, dont care what anyone says.
Sounds like something called "Denial".
I've worked with many of these Indians and they are all arrogant and think they are better than everyone else. Especially if you are not white, they see you as some kind of subhuman. Nothing can change this as this is the culture they come from, where everyone is classified into castes (even though they try to keep the caste system hidden nowadays by never talking about it in their media). Plus look at any picture of India, its just packed to the gills with Indian men, obviously there is a huge genocide going on of female babies.
FYI> I worked with these Indian duds in Dubai, Emirates and will never do it again. These Indians are not trustworthy people and will go around your back to hurt you. backstabbers, lazy, dirty, unproductive. Sorry to say but that is the honest way I feel.
An extremely well-written and astute article. The piece touches on India's strengths and weaknesses, giving a balanced summary of a nation that has the fastest growth rates in South Asia and, yet, has a higher percentage of its population living in poverty with under $1.25 a day than Bhutan, Nepal, or Sri Lanka.
The real problem with India is that....it is India. How can a nation with so many intellects be so problematic? I went to school with many Indians from Hydrabaad and I was amazed at how intelligent they were. The Mexicans well they're just plain corrupt. I never saw very many super scientists from Mexico and often the conversations were devoid of any real substance but the Indians are great intellects. I guess it will be on of the mysteries of the world. Why are Indians so smart and yet they govern in a sub-standard way?
This is why.. Lol
India’s education system is mired in corruption...corruption..corruption ...everywhere
Another indictment of the sorry state of Indian education was the view held by students that cheating in examinations is their traditional right. In India universities cheating is now well-established. The fees for manipulating entrance tests ranges between $80 to $20,000 for popular programmes such as computer science, medicine and engineering the report said.
@Marcus. That is a very good observation. I am actually from Hyderabad. The problem with India is in spite of many educated people India is only about 60% literate and the percentage of politicians literate let alone highly educated is very very low. Also a good chunk of the educated population is deeply conservative so change has been very slow. But this scenario is rapidly changing, the 60% literacy that we are at now is double than what we had 20 years ago. In another 20 years when the current generation is in their 20's India would be contributing a lot more to the world and humanity.
After many decades of silly socialistic policies in which the country made little progress, but managed to develop a fine culture of corruption. Its one of the most corrupt places in the world, and anything and everything can be bought. This includes seats in colleges, degrees, jobs, certificates, etc, but more importantly, nothing can get done without greasing the right palms.
The government has pumped in billions of dollars in various forms of infrastructure. Less than half of this, more likely only a quarter, actually goes towards real development; the rest goes to greasing many pockets. Even the infrastructure installed is often substandard, which means Indian companies have to do everything on their own. They cannot depend on the government to even lay roads or provide power properly. Government bank officers will frequently expect a 1-3% cut from loans, foreign remittances etc. as grease. Even the telephone company clerks and peons expect to get paid for _not_ disconnecting your services arbitrarily.
People's expectations are ridiculous as well. The average fresh, not-so-qualified college graduate expects to see his paycheck double in 3 years. They have no loyalty or sense of responsibility towards their employers and employee turnover is terrible.
Things are getting worse. The agricultural sector is slowly getting unviable. Consumption is through the roof, but production is going down in many key areas, and India is heading from being a net exporter of food to a net importer.
I'm not sure where they are headed, but one hopes its somewhere nice. India's never going to be a China.
I think the Indian country will do well and more corporations will be setting up shop there. i think they will be the next China. The people are smart and investment is coming. They are definitly our friends. Good luck to them
Keep on dreaming ... hinduban...are you kiddin me? Who wants to go to that sh$thole.
I have to admit Pakis are becoming smarter. Look at this paki dude using a latino name and spreading lies about India.
Incredible INDIA??? Have you been there? I have multiple times. There have been vast inroads to alleviate the many problems facing India but it will take decades. To any and all: Less reading, less hype and more traveling. Priceless
Decades??!! They have moments to oblivion and implosion. You sure you were there and not Mexico? Laughter !!!!
I have a nephew whom Caterpiller sent him to China and India. He said he was only allowed by the Chinese governmant to go to the nice areas of China. he said they followed him everywhere. he said India was very rough and smelly in some places but he wasn't followed. Just for your information.
@Jack: is your nephew still alive after India vsit? No malaria, diarrhea, leprosy, ganges disease? Did he take a dip in the river?
@Talbot X ...still beats getting beheaded by muzzies or getting shot for 10 bucks in Camden
We are all aware that CNN is one of the tools to implement US Foreign Policy. This article indicates a shift in this policy towards dumping India as it is has served its purpose in that region. No more positive coverage for India by CNN as in past. Not worth it. People caught on to it. Panetta and Hillary delivered that message on their recent layovers there.
Wow your analysis is so insightful and deep....I also do wonder whether you come from a country where everything is supposed to be pure
All hands on deck, Pakistan.
The world is lovely, bright and deep,
But we have promises to keep,
And miles to go before we sleep
And miles to go before we sleep.
Bhosree kay . Gaando. dulla
Now let's turn our attention from economics to human rights in India. This is what CNN did not talk about in the article. I will::
NEW YORK: Renowned Indian activist and novelist Arundhati Roy has decried the silence of the international community over the continued “brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir” and said Kashmiris should be given the right to self-determination.
“Kashmir is one of the most protracted and bloody occupations in the world — and one of the most ignored,” she told a large audience at the Asia Society during a discussion on “Kashmir —
She also said the lives of Kashmiris were made miserable by gun-totting Indian hindu security personnel who harassed and terrorised people with impunity, adding that disappearances were almost a daily occurrence as also kidnapping, arrests, fake encounters and torture. Mass graves have been discovered and the conscience of the world remains unstirred……
More than 700,000 Indian troops were concentrated in the tiny Indian Occupied Kashmir Valley, with checkpoints at every nook and corner of Kashmiri towns and cities. The huge Indian presence, she added, was in sharp contrast with 160,000 US troops in Iraq.
Ms Roy alleged that Indian army or security personnel were killing innocent women and young children.
What needs to be pointed out to those who uphold the Universal Declaration of Human Rights to be the highest, or sole, model, of a charter of equality and liberty for all human beings, is that given the Western origin and orientation of this Declaration, the "universality" of the assumptions on which it is based is – at the very least – problematic and subject to questioning. Furthermore, the alleged incompatibility between the concept of human rights and religion in general, or particular religions such as Islam, needs to be examined in an unbiased way.
The most important aspect of all this is that its so called allies have kicked India to the curb after using it to do the clean up work in the region. US/NATO is pulling out and taking alongwith it all the american taxpayers money and the business causing ripples in India that will shake its core. I will be very surprised if India survives 2012 as a nation. The collapse is imminent, folks, read my lips...you read it here on this forum.
So the only way to peace in Afghanistan is dismantling the terrorist network and financing emanating from India, cutting it up into smaller nations along the lines of communist USSR and let smaller and more gentle and economically dynamic states emerge, stopping the genocide in Kashmir of muslim children/women, subjugation of minorities, prosecution of Christians and Muslims. Furthermore the ridiculously large and ineffective Indian army needs to be dismantled and put to use in assisting the poverty stricken masses and not sitting in trenches hiding from Talibans.
You sound as if you were some kind of a pagan god trying to eat a t-bone steak in the most convenient manner...
I have read with interest the thesis presented in this forum that "small is beautiful". Empowering subjugated minorities in India by splitting it into smaller states would trigger uber economic demand for western nations who have given so much financial and technology aid to India with no return to show for the investment. I concur with this approach and with economic background find the premise to be on solid footing. Central Asian States (CAS) are a case in point on this successful approach. We need to understand that India has an unmanageable large population mired in poverty and we are spinning our wheels trying to feed it. It is also too big of a geographical unit to govern. Again, we saw how a few teenage talibans were able to invade it with a few BB guns. Even the CIA/Mossad were not able to stop it.
My guess is that you have many degrees. 1- B.S. as in cow dung. 2- M. S. As in more of the same. Finally, Ph. D. as in pile it harder and deeper.
Ther was a recnt study that read read, I can't even rember where but they interviewed people from most countries to see who had a favorable view of the US and who had non favorable views. The indian people had the best view of Americans on the planet. we shouldn't treat them badley. Like everyone we need friends.
Who you kidding? Remember the time when you were allied with commies? Do you think we forget so easy? Pakistanis won the Vietnam war for us in Afghanistan after defeating you and USSR.
American Patriot cannot even speak english properly...haahahah ....seriously man...and FYI even then India never despised any country neither they do now...
Why do they keep dunking their dead in the Ganges? Is not that something to frown upon?
People don't drink and bathe in the same river where they dispose of their dead...no matter how holy the river happens to be.
Because they are medieval people..these indian hindus. i was sick for ten months after visiting there. Will never go there nor recommend anyone. There is nothing there except taj mahal and that was built by muslims.
wow american patriot your disguise worked as well as pakistans hiding OBL
@loc 1985: Chup kar bondi. Kunjar.
What is the national bird of Pakistan?
Answer: Drone.
Reply about Taj – Dear brother, taj mahal was not built by muslims, it was a Hindu temple – Tajo Mahal built by Hindus, which was captured by the sultan & converted to mosque. Please check your fact sheets. This truth will be proven soon.
On a separate note, if you have gone to mecca, you must have seen the phrases inscribed in the praise of King Vikramaditya inside...but thats a separate can of worms altogether.
If Indians have tears, prepare to shed them now.
If they have any b@lls, prepare to sacrifice them now.
But the time has come for Indians to get out of the trenches from hiding,
And face the Talibans head on and do the biding.
Protecting your country is Indian responsibility,
Subcontracting to Americans, Israelis and South Koreans is not a sustainable possibility.
Good Luck. India is a nation of cowards...spineless species.
And that was the reason why we were the only nation after China which was not conquered & converted to islam by muslim mrderers, oops, invaders, when they came upon us with their armies. See what happened to Egypt, Iran, & other nations of the world. China? Muslims were stopped in India, wonder shy though?
India is at best a slave nation meant to provide slave labor to the Middle eastern Arabs.
Thanks for letting us know on CNN that sheikhs are treating the Indians like slaves in arab countries.
Sheikh..I am Indian and Muslim and let me be the first to say I love Islam...but when it comes to you dumb sheikhs don't wink because when some bright Indian at MIT figures out how to run cars and other products without oil...you dumb shaiks who turned rich over night will be back to getting aid from India and Pakistan. Dumb Oily Arabs – never had to work for anything...shut up and let the West make you their b....
Even the west tells you how much oil to pump out and for how much. Cant even do that on your own...lmao – salam walaykum wa rehmat Allah Wa barakatahy ya ikhwaan.
I think India killed the goose that laid the golden egg. The growth was Western companies rushing for access to their markets. When they got there, they found out that the access was blocked by protectionist restrictions.
It's a bit of a joke that they built their economy on globalism and "free trade", but still don't have Starbucks. People may not like Starbucks, but it's absense is pretty telling of the roadblocks set up to keep foreign companies out.
I realize it's finally going through, but it's only because Starbucks agreed to share half of the profits with an Indian company and promise to buy the beans from Indian growers. A company without the big margins and deep pockets for lawyers and lobbyists wouldn't stand a chance.
Is there a Walt's Roast Beef in India? Perhaps Kapoor's Bun Kabob?
Please, just stay in India.
The Demise of American Foreign Policy:
American Foreign Policy is off track. Obama has devastated the stature of Americans overseas by aligning us with losers such as Indians. The seeds he has sowed will rock USA to its core in the coming few years. Short sightedness, selfishness
Yet another Paki in disguise
What did happen to lot of eulogies from western buddies. I think , there is problem in Paradise.
Where is Amitabh bachan these days? Why is he not singing "India SInking "? Saala bharwa ghaib ho geeya.
why is your country so poor that you have to depend on Indian actors to entertain you...
bhosad chod...apni zameen to bheek se paayi..aptak Amriki udhaar pe jeete chale ho..na khud kuch karte ho na doosronko karne dete ho...
Ubbay hanuman ki aulad. Gaand mein jhaaro daal kar more bunaa doonga. Bhungi. Buniya.
@ Loc 1985,
Because your "other"source of income is entertainment and we are well at seeing mujra, you have a lot of rakhi sawant so if we spend a few buck on them for you we really dont mind it. you have great room for clowns, pros, bhand and mirasi. they all flourish in India.they have great scope in India. for western world you have different type of women and to fool the poor you haveghunghat wali nari.Bharat mata ki gand mey lund.Chamaar ki aulad saley
Mr Billay,
Your dialect and its English implementation sounds like you are from the state of Bihar in India.
Kabhi aana hamari gali , ...
Patrick Lee
Chinatown, Kolkata, India
Send me your address and email/phone. Will see you there. Thanks for the invite. Don't chicken out now.
Tuu bihari kabob khai gaa kia? masala dar?
I am sorry, I have a tumour and I say and do such horrible things.
There is no forgiveness in me, why should you forgive me.
I hate because that is all I know.
I steal monikers and I am a bully and I use brutal force in honour of Allah.
Anybody who's done business in both India and China, and has gone to each country, has always known that India is a very loosely built house of cards. China, though it has problems, is light years ahead of India in every respect.
India's infrastructure is horrendous.
The government is completely corrupt.
The red tape winds for miles around business.
The country itself is filthy.
The people are horrible to do business with – everything is urgent, they'll nickle and dime you, and then take months to pay.
The people, for the most part, are uneducated. The educated people can't wait to get the F out, and even the educated people are only skilled in certain areas, based on rote learning.
The ONLY reason any international company wants to do business there is due to the sheer size of the population.
Indians seem proud that their population is massive and ever-expanding. They don't get that it's going to be the cause of their implosion.
I know it's for religious reasons that Hindus eat beef, but if they fed all those cows to the poor and got them off the dirty streets, they'd be killing two birds with one stone. Most Hindus can't even tell you why they don't eat beef. They'll say it's because Krishna liked to drink milk when he was a boy or something like that.
Krishna can drink goat milk. Send Andrew Zimmern to eat some steaks there. It is a food chain thing.
Thailand: Amazing Thailand
India: Incredible India
Malaysia: Truly Asia
#Wonder what is Pakistan's Tourism tag line is ?
"Have a Blast til u last" hahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahahhahahaha
My company works with Indians all the time. Not only do they smell terrible, even worse than the French, but the ones that are in India are chronically lazy.
A british executive in south africa said that he used to give away free lifebouy soaps to indian workers to get the smell off the for a few minutes.n it was so bad. Smell is their DNA genetic footprint. LMAO.
Reporters like Mr Ravi Agarwal are also a good reason why pessimism is high. He had to write something or he wont survive his job...article is all bullsh1t
We have been publishing these facts for over a year now ! Agarwal could not look the other way any longer. The freakin ship is sinking. It is not a secret. Why do you think Panetta and Hillary are visiting there? To have steaks or pani puri? remember how swift the USSr breakup came. Stay tuned !!! It will be repeated in India. Pakistan needs to immediately secure its borders and send three divisions of Talibans there.
Well tell allah that you want to see him-in person.
My sense is that Indian Army may need to intervene and India may have soon have a miltary takeover as was about to happen a few months ago. An army battalion was almost half way to New Delhi to impose martial law. it is inevitable. The country is dysfunctional. Unmanageable. Implosion is imminent. People get your money out of the banks in India before it is too late.
Panetta had a talk with Gen Gupta when he was in India but to no avail. Indian armed forces have always been second class citizens/second fiddle in india. It is about to change, folks.
You notice how easily lies come to me.
if you follow qur'an, you too could learn to lie as well as me.
All American Indians are advised not to remit any foreign exchange to India. Their money will get tied up as their is no FDIC insurance such as in USA. Get your money out of India immediately. just sayin.
Don't worry, US is on the same course of what has or is happening in India.
1% population of India controls more than 90% of assets. Middle class and poor are crushed; they are the one who do the work.
Same is happening here – as middle class become poor class and poor class barely get food, who's gonna do work, work from which rich draw their money.
Get your head out from under the sand. India is no America! Compare India with Bangladesh or Sri Lanka for allah's sake. Take your money out of the bank and make a run for it. Don't let your family starve. I am giving you free advice.
Agarwal should forget the Gini coefficient and instead focus on the Taliban Beta. It is very volatile and they will be all over New Delhi once they smell blood. " Islamic Emirate of India".
Ravi Agrawal's comments on "Incredible India" offer balanced and interesting views at the current economic and dysfunctional political state of union in one of the largest democracy in the World. There is a huge disconnect between the states' and central government leadership, each vying for its own political agenda, could careless what happens to the rest of the country, on the other hand, driving forces behind India's economic growth, in my opinion, are in the hands of few families. There isn't anything wrong with it, except the gap between rich and ha fast widented as a result of India's past few years' economic growth. Social fabric of the "Incredible India" has erodded and once the "unity in diversity" mantra that once existed between its diverse linguistic and cultural demography is seemingly absent and invisible. India today could continue to become a formidable economic power house, if its policymakers clearly defined the policies and clear implementation program for its untouchable bureaucrats. Take for example, India's hydrocarbon sector is in a state of terrible mess and stagnation. The rules and regulations are in a dysfunctional state. You need to get approval for every step of the way. India's public companies are looking outside of the country for investment opportuniies, whereas, domestic production has continued to take a back seat, as if there is no coherent strategy. In my opinion, this single most sector alone could revitalize India's progress for the future of its children and its vastr population, if it does not have to spend such a significant of its GDP on buying foreign oil and gas. I hope that the PM, Dr. Singh clean up the sectoroal deficiencies that will enable investors, domestic and foreign alike, find the sector a level playing field for the prosperity of India and once again becoming worthy of "incredible India". I hope I can witness tthis brightness of India. India is blessed with enrormous human cand resouce capital. All we need is a great leader to come out to make it a success. Thank you.
You mean well and your points are well taken. I approach India's dilemma on the premise it is too big to manage as a country.....population wise and geographically. It is nothing personal ... just a business observation. Like big corporations, at times the sum of parts is greater than the whole. So parts have to be spun off to add value. Same is applicable in India's case. To eliminate poverty and empower people, a controlled implosion of India is inevitable.
Secondly, democracy is very difficult to implement in uber populated countries such as India with billions of people. People feel disenfranchised. Just the nature of the beast. Indians have some soul searching to do.
I fully agree. Muslims are a lower caste then any Hindu.
Its a reasonable hypothesis, but facts dont support it.
I will take a hypothetical case. Consider Pakistan vs. India. Imagine a world where they were federated provinces of a whole.
What is now a military battle would be a political battle, if at all. There would be other real issues to worry about.
Never underestimate the power of sheer jingoism. I assume from your posts that you are Pakistani. You may have observed the sheer number of Pakistani folks here who seem to get pleasure out of the sheer idea of a destroyed India. THere is no *personal* gain in them from this; its just a purely malicious thought, and if India were to break up tomorrow, they would get a few moments of pleasure out it, and then go back home to thier usual lives with nothing gained form it (and possibly a lot lost from the chaos that would ensue).
That doesn't stop them from *wishing* it. Given a choice between self-destructive malice and a healthy balanced view or sympathy, they choose the former. (And, for the record, Indians on the other side do the same idiotic thing).
Why?
Now break the area up into 25 countries, with Baluchistan, Punbaj West, Punjab East, Jammu, Kashmir, Rajasthan, Sindh, Gujarat, etc. All you would get is the same idiocy multiplied a 100 fold.
Its a reasonable hypothesis, but facts dont support it.
I will take a hypothetical case. Consider Pakistan vs. India. Imagine a world where they were federated provinces of a whole.
What is now a military battle would be a political battle, if at all. There would be other real issues to worry about.
Never underestimate the power of sheer jingoism. I assume from your posts that you are Pakistani. You may have observed the sheer number of Pakistani folks here who seem to get pleasure out of the sheer idea of a destroyed India. THere is no *personal* gain in them from this; its just a purely malicious thought, and if India were to break up tomorrow, they would get a few moments of pleasure out it, and then go back home to thier usual lives with nothing gained form it (and possibly a lot lost from the chaos that would ensue).
That doesn't stop them from *wishing* it. Given a choice between self-destructive malice and a healthy balanced view or sympathy, they choose the former. (And, for the record, Indians on the other side do the same idiotic thing).
Why?
Now break the area up into 25 countries, with Baluchistan, Punbaj West, Punjab East, Jammu, Kashmir, Rajasthan, Sindh, Gujarat, etc. All you would get is the same idiocy multiplied a 100 fold.
BTW, Muslims ranting about Hindus and Hindus calling Muslims names are probably among the lowest IQ people here. Serously, with all the issues that infest that part of the world, picking on religion to feel good about oneself is about as lame as it gets. Is that all you have to feel good about yourself?
As the High Chancellor of this country, I have to say that: England Prevails!!
@snehal!
You know a lot of weaknesess of Muslims,good knowledge ,but pity on you that you and your buddies who are ranting and braging much about Muslims and Pakistan are so moron that you are ignorant about your own religion who drags women out of homes on the death of their husbands and burn them alive, what ashameful and barbaric religion you belong, oh yes if you are an untouchable,i can forgive you, but beware of thakur. By the way what happend to your mother goddess Kali,was that severe that her tounge came out of her mouth.?
Man, you just have to understand that religion doesn't cause people to commit evil. Only the intrinsic qualities or conscience within an individual influences that person to harm or do injustice. It is good to respect all faiths. The deen is the one and only haq, and spreading faster than any other in the world. Don't let trivial things bother you when there is much required by you to learn the truth.
Had this debate been limited to the topic,or a tleast to politics and culture,i would have not interfered, but where have you been when your prophet is being attacked by a hindu, do you want to be a champion of tolerance, tolerance doesnot exist in this matter.i doubt you are a muslim, and if you are than a very "beghairat" one. shame on you, you read rubbish about your prophet and instead of replying to that untouchable you are teaching me Islam. Sorry! keep your knowledge to you.
Sorry Indians, you guys are screwed big time, 700 years by Muslims and another 200 years by British.
It will probably take a total of 900 years for you to clean your corrupted society, backward culture. Drinking no amount cow urine will help you. Bathing in filthy Ganga water will not help you either. Your disgusting cast system to oppress fellow human being is the worst in the civilized world if you want to call yourselves civilized! Thanks to British, otherwise you would still be burning alive your young widow with her old useless husband who married a girl 25 years younger than him. No wonder why a mammoth country like yours can’t gain an inch over a terrorist infested Pakistan after 4 different wars, which is not even one tenth of your country. By the way tell your women to get rid of the dot form the fore head and red painting from hair part. And also stop worshiping snakes, cows, and monkeys or don’t worship at all there is no sky deity no nothing. Lift up your own people that’s all for me today.
And you are mr. farishta’s son from jannat where 72 hoories [I cant describe them here] are waiting for men who kill infedel’s? You brother were one of us, but may be the muslims were successful in raping & converting your family when we were saved. Or we reconverted back to Hinduism after kicking aurganzeb out?! This is the only reason why when 80 million hindus in India were killed, we are still 83% hindus. And please don’t thank to british. They were the ones who brought with them the first brothel house & winery in India. And where did you find that young girls were married to old husbands? The same history books from Pakistan? Let me tell you, they are all lies. Or you must be reading some news from Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan. This is where I am getting the current situation in Pakistan, including social issues: paksitanherald.com. Please also try to find out the meaning & history of hindu-kush mountains. Only give statements if you are sure of them. Lying is not good dear brother.
You are the most hypocrite nation on this planet, if i show the real face of hindus and India, you will have no place to hide,may be arabs will welcom you because they like your women much.You peole have many faces like your goddesses,you blame muslims for everything bad in this world and at the same time you like to serve them in the KSA and middle east,the birth place of Islam.if we are so bad why dont you go work in Israel. This is your hypocritiic policy. Your philosophy is "bagal mey churi,munh main ram ram".When indira was murdered, thousands of Sikh were slaughterd in a single day, and christian world can remember, you killed a lot of christian some decades ago. You never tolerated Gautam budh,poor man spent his whole life under a banyan tree. and yes Every year you slaughter thousands of muslims in the name of Kalimata's bali, you learnt how to live in this world ethically when muslims enterd with knowledge and elegance in India . The british people also raised awaireness in you Before that you were living like animals. I can write a book on your barbarism. but i dont want to make you more embarrassed before the world.Take a broom and start cleaning your "gund" first.
@ Hemlock. I had the privilege of meeting U.S army men and speak to them. I have great amount of respect for the U.S army. Base on other posts you have made on this forum You sir definitely do not sound like someone who served the U.S army for 20 years. Please do not impersonate and make the U.S army get a bad reputation.
"Consider per capita incomes: Indians on average make $3,700 a year – half that of the average Ukranian, nearly a third that of the average Chinese or Brazilian"
The average income for an urban Chinese is almost exactly $3700 a year. See this CNN Monet article:
http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/26/news/economy/china-middle-class/?source=cnn_bin
They report the average to be $3K, but that's the median. Anyway, the claim that the average Chinese makes over $10K a year is ridiculous.
Hilarious.
There are about four Pakistanis here, signed up under multiple names, and saying the same things over and over again!
Guys , your repeating something doesn't make it true. Refuting it doesnt make it false either.
India has massive problems. So does Pakistan, and so does Bangladesh and pretty much most of the countries in the subcontinent.
Most of it has to do with corruption. Collectively, they are the most corrupt set of countries in the world. Its rooted in history, and the result of social and political systems that have supported this sort of thing for centuries.
Muslims spewing hate for Hindus is funny. Islam is currently the most hated religion on the planet. Seriously, get your heads out of your tails and look. The only people who like muslims (as a group; Im not speaking of individuals) are muslims.
The Hindus have their own issues, but I'd say the fraction of morons among the educated Hindus is somewhat less than the fraction of morons among Muslims? When was the last time a Hindu tied a bomb around his belt and strode into a market place, or flew a plane into a tower?
What is your point? Why the obsession with Pakistanis? Do you have a gage on your computer that indicates the nationalities of people? Simply stupid stuff that you are saying.
This article is all about India by an Indian. The facts are nothing new. I have been reading about these on these forums since a year ago. Finally, CNN was embarassed and decided to jump on the band wagon and fess up. Contrary to you, I find the comments herein very informative and insightful and meaningful. As far as I am concerned this is free education for Indians and others. So learn from it and improve yourselves.
It appears to me that Muslims are the fastest growing segment of world society today. As others are withering away the Muslims seem to be rising again with their contributions as was the case historically when they ruled India and Europe and left behind a legacy of science, art, architecture, culinary et al. One only needs to go to Spain and India to witness this. As immigrants, it is a good thing to be aware of your glorious heritage and be connected with it. The Italian immigrants do it as do the Germans, Polish, Jewish, Hispanic and many other cultures. What really pleasantly surprised me was what I witnessed in the Middle East. A tolerant society that has come so far in a few years. Most importantly providing job and economic opportunities to all, Hindus/Indians, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Europeans, Americans, Africans, South Americans, Chinese, and Russians etc. Never have I witnessed such openness and equal opportunities unless you go back to the times of Muslim rule in India and Spain. My conclusion is that the Muslims get it. They are striving to once again take their leadership role in the world order and take this civilization to its next level of excellence. The climb to success and progress is not a linear curve but a stochastic one. Let us join in wishing our Muslim brethren well and much success in their endeavors. If we can't help them let's not pull the rug from under them.
Muslims are evil. The good in this world will always win over evil.
Either you are a moron or willfully being ignorant, but apparantly it seems you are a well paid advocate of Indians or India who rushed to rescue them.One of your hindu friends has prepared you for this.Let me bring you out from a delusional world to the world of reality.
1. Case of twin tower was not a result of war between Muslims and christians.It was completely a reaction of AQ. Americans and AQ have been in enmity since long with each other due to political personal or entrepreneural reasons. OBL relationship with CIA is not a hidden history.Whereas what hindus do in india with muslims like demolishing babri masjid and burning muslims alive in gujrat are purely based on religious intentions.It has roots.Your comments smell,burning,"chita".Dont compare between educated hindus and educated muslims , all catholics and protestants are educated, and i know their blood bath in ireland.
India’s Growth Story Intact: Interpreting macro numbers and trends the right way
There has been a lot of debate about India’s growth story coming to an end, with many top brokerages like Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs cutting GDP forecasts to sub 6% levels. However, my analysis shows India’s growth story is not only intact, it continues on a robust path.
The gloom-and-doom scenarios being painted today are an exact repeat of the phenomenon that happened during 2008-09 when the debate started that India’s growth story might be over and the Morgan Stanleys and Goldman Sachses of the world cut the GDP forecast for FY10 to sub 6% levels and some to even sub 5% levels.
What happened next?
In FY10, India posted a GDP growth rate of nearly 8%!
So what went wrong with all the doomsday scenarios for India? Two things went wrong.
First, an undue importance was placed on year-over-year (YoY) growth rates without looking at the trend in absolute GDP. That’s a simple number interpretation issue. A case in point is all the gloom surrounding the sub 6% YoY growth rates posted in the last two quarters of fiscal 2008-09 and the latest 5.3% YoY growth posted for the March 2012 quarter.
Second, not looking at the long-term trend and the impact of business cycles. That’s an economic analysis issue. Take a look at the chart below. I have compared the trend in absolute values of India GDP with that of U.S. GDP since 2005. I have compared just the India and U.S. trends in order to clearly explain how long-term growth rates and business cycles need to be interpreted. To facilitate a comparison, I have indexed the GDP values by initializing the starting values to 100.
As you can see, the chart speaks for itself. The trend in U.S. GDP is like a straight line, having grown only a total of 7% in the past six years. India GDP, on the other hand, is on a strong uptrend, having grown more than 80% in the same period. Within this long-term trend, the ups and down of a normal business cycle can clearly be seen.
Understanding long-term trends and business cycles, more often than not, does not need complex models. Most of the time simple charts and a bit of common sense work well enough. For those who would rather look at complex models, the RBI website is the right source, not brokerage research reports. There is some fantastic analysis available on the RBI site, the summary of which is that a growth rate in the 8% range is now the new normal.
Amar Harolikar
Unknown Insights
I could not disagree with you more. You are looking at India's problems through the wrong prism. First, comparison to USA trends is fallacious. India is no USA.... in any respect. Second, GDP is the wrong measure to look at. Here is why. For India to maintain its current rate of poverty needs a breakeven GDP of 15%. India will never get there !! Agreed? Therefore, India is lagging behind about -10%GDP !!!! Looking at GDP only, we will never be able to alleviate poverty in India...EVER !!!
Just for the record, the bulge bracket firms you mention base their projections on models which are sensitive to assumptions. Garbage in garbage out. To give you an idea, the recent $9 Billion loss by JP Morgan tn trading derivatives was due to the use of such models/projections that were inaccurate and reflected bad judgement and assumptions. So I do not seek solace from using projections from such firms.
CONCLUSION: To address India's problems, one has to start with the basic premise that "small is beautiful: and that India has become unmanageable in size. At times, the sum of parts is greater than the whole. And that is precisely where India needs to head. A controlled breakup of sorts.
5.3% GDP : Numbers not being interpreted correctly, recovery is intact
The latest GDP number of 5.3% caught many people, including myself, by surprise. Looked at in isolation, this number does sound very disappointing and many analysts and economists have been quick to come out with comments on how the India growth story is probably over and how the government is killing growth.
In fact, here’s what an ET story had to say: “HSBC labelling the nation as a ‘gasping elephant’ while Credit Suisse said latest numbers will send ‘shivers down’ the spines of coalition politicians of ruling UPA.”
However, when interpreted the right way and along with other macro numbers, the GDP numbers actually show that the recovery process is intact and the economic growth engine is chugging along just fine.
And this conclusion assumes that the GDP numbers don’t get revised upwards. The credibility of our government for data accuracy is a bit suspect given the numerous mistakes detected in the past with IIP, exports and the GDP numbers themselves.
The right way to look at the quarterly GDP numbers is to simply look at a chart of GDP (in Rs Cr) over time. Take a look at the chart below. What does it show? That the economic growth engine is chugging along just fine or that the economy is trouble? I rest my case.
Amar Harolikar
Unknown Insights
GDP downgrades: Be wary of research house estimates – India growth story intact
I came across a slew of reports, where major research house, including the likes of Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley are reducing their 2013 GDP growth estimates to less than 7%, in some cases these have been reduced to around 6.5%
Here’s the key point to note – These research house reports are not meant for use by retail/ long term investors and going by past trends, Goldman and many other would very likely get their 2013 estimates horribly wrong, due to a clear bias towards overestimating negative impact.
Their primary audiences are fund managers, who need to hit their benchmarks every month. India growth story is very well intact and in-fact reiterated by these very same research houses in some of their other reports. The audience and purpose of these quarterly / yearly kind of estimates is very different.
Here're how accurate Goldman and Morgan have been in past.
FY10 Actual GDP around 7.9%
Goldman Sachs April 2009 Estimate – 5.8%
Morgan Stanley April 2009 Estimate – 4.4%
FY12 Acutal GDP around ?? (it'll probably come in around 6.9%)
Goldman Sachs Dec 2010 estimate – 8.70%
To give them credit, they have been accurate too sometimes, but there is no consistency. However, as far as overall accuracy of projections goes, they have a hit rate around 50%. That's more like a coin toss. Every expert would be wrong a certain percentage of the time, and that's to be expected as projections are probabilistic estimates and not crystal ball gazing. But a 50% hit rate doesn't really inspire too much confidence.
Again, I don't mean to rubbish these kind of estimates, but they are meant for a different audience and a different purpose, and not really meant for a retail investor.
Amar Harolikar
Unknown Insights
Interpreting IIP Numbers the Right Way
India’s growth story is very much intact so far, even as IIP has posted 0.1% YoY growth. It won’t make a difference even if IIP posts negative YoY numbers for a few more months.
Refer to my earlier analysis regarding the way looking at YoY numbers is not always the right way to interpret macro trends. The right way to look at the GDP and IIP numbers is to simply look at a chart of absolute IIP and GDP over time. Furthermore, one has to differentiate between a long term trend short term business cycles.
Take a look at the chart below of IIP numbers for the past seven years along with a 12 month moving average. As can be seen from the chart, the long term uptrend is intact, and is comprised of many ups and downs as part of regular business cycles.
Keep in mind that IIP was posting negative YoY numbers during April – June 2009 even as corporate profitability was improving and markets were making new highs. In fact, the IIP YoY % were posting very flattish trends until Oct 2009. During this same time period Nifty more than doubled from 2500 levels to 5100 levels!
As for S&P, as per my previous story, one has to be wary of their reports and ratings. In 2009 they had downgraded India’s sovereign rating just three months before the markets did an upward breakout and growth numbers turned around!
Amar Harolikar
Unknown Insights
The current fall in the Rupee is purely speculative as there are no signs of flight of capital.
This is very similar to the situation in April 2009 – when the Rupee was making new lows even as inflation was coming down, corporate profitability was improving and stock markets had just broken out of bear market lows.
Consider this:
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• The foreign exchange (Forex) reserves as of June 15, 2012 were around $289 Bn, just around $ 20 Bn lower than a year ago, and about $ 2 Bn higher than a week prior.The Forex situation has been fairly stable for the past year, with only minor and ‘routine’ fluctuations.
• FII remains long-term bullish based on equity inflows, with massive net inflows of around Rs 36,000 Cr so far during 2012.
So what next?
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The fall might continue a bit longer; however I don’t expect it to either to fall significantly more, or to have any significant negative impact on corporate profitability. The reasons for this are:
• At some point, the RBI and the government will crack down hard on speculators and that would be the end of the Rupee fall. The RBI has already issued a veiled warning to speculative interests. The next set of measures would be far harsher. Those who seem to underestimate the absolute power that a state commands, do so at their own peril. Ask Vodafone.
• Oil and all major commodities are down more than 25% from about a year ago and are on a sharp downtrend. That will cushion the impact of the rising rupee.
• With corporate India posting a robust 20% growth in bottom-line for the March 2012 quarter, a robust economic recovery is well underway. With improving economic fundamentals, it would be just a matter of time before the speculative positions in the Rupee start to unwind.
The situation today bears an uncanny resemblance to the one two years ago, around April 2009. Even during that time, the rupee was making new lows, even as a recovery was well underway and stock markets had broken off the lows.
With the short term economic slowdown over, and a robust recovery underway, it’s very likely that the Rupee fall would get arrested and stock markets make new highs.
Amar Harolikar
Unknown Insights
Not sure what Oxycontins you are taking but you are not making much sense at all. From GDP to FX to Corporate profits to commodities ... do you even know what you are talking about? You are baffling us with your BS. Let me present you with a very simple political/economic/business concept. India has become too big to govern....populationwise and geographically and demographically. India, for its people, is worth more broken up into pieces rather than kept whole. In other words, the sum of its parts is greater than the whole. So a controlled implosion of India is necessitated to add value for the people and alleviate poverty.
The foregoing is in response to @amarharolikar dissertation.
Thailand: Amazing Thailand
India: Incredible India
Malaysia: Truly Asia
#Wonder what is Pakistan's Tourism tag line is ?
"Have a Blast til u last" hahahahhahahahaha
@krm1007 You are either a Paki making no sense like always or smoking something really strong.
@Alif bay pay!
Nahi na raan ka bhuna hua mazaidar howat hey?
India's goose is cooked. The bubble has burst. The growth has disappeared. Reality has sunk in. The tiger has turned into an elephant. Debt to GDP ratio is out of control, current account deficit has spiralled, FDI has turned negative with net cash outflows. Where do we go next with India?.....breakup into independent states.
Another paki making no sense at all. "The growth has disappeared" 5.9% growth is a drop from 10% but still is a very good growth rate. "Reality has sunk" not one report suggests that reality has sunk. "GDP ratio is out of control" Its at 50 something % which is way better than many countries. USA has it at 103%. "FDI has turned negative" again not true and there is no report suggesting that.
This guy @amarharlikar has had too much moonshine today. I betcha he does not even understand the BS he has copied and pasted here. At least he is trying to defend an indefensible position. I will give that to him. But we have made it simple for him to understand.
That bozo is just trying to save face.
Thailand: Amazing Thailand
India: Incredible India
Malaysia: Truly Asia
#Wonder what is Pakistan's Tourism tag line is ?
"Have a Blast til u last"
NATIONAL POEM OF INDIA
Once upon a Mumbai dreary, while the Indian Army pondered weak and weary.....
While they nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at their bunker door.
"'Tis some visiter," they muttered, "tapping at our bunker door —
Only this and nothing more."
What say you? Quoth the talibans… What say you?
It ain’t no visiter….so to speak…’tis…the talibans…2 or 3 but Not More.
We come in peace and nothing more…only in peace and nothing more...to tickle you to heart’s content.
To sing you some bhajans and maybe more....so go back to sleep Evermore.
Quoth the talibans, Evermore".
And when you wake up we will be long gone…but we will be back____will be back
This time in New Delhi….we will be back____
Quoth the talibans…. we are coming back!!!!.
Such incredible talent in poetry. If it was prose, Shakespeare would be livid with envy.
@Mbele Mbele Oulou: "Said the Raven, Nevermore".!
As Shakespeare would have said::::
THE HOUSE OF CARDS CALLED INDIA (Hindustan)
Good friends, sweet friends, let me not stir you up
Friends and countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury India, not to praise it.
The evil that India has done will live after it;
There is no good in the bones of any Indian body.
They are nothing but evil, nothing but cowardly shoddy.
I want to know about Indian CASTE system...
Oh ,you can earn your phD on it, easy, go out in a filthy area, remove a big stone that had been laid there for centuries ,remove it and see what ?or ask an untouchables.
Ravi Aggarwal good article, hopefully PM Manmohan Singh as a finance minister, will be himself and stop listening to the corrupt Italian head of his party who has made Congress more corrupt after coming to power. All the best PM
What happened to 'Incredible India'? never was.....
The Bubble Burst !
India Sinking...should be the new slogan for India.
INDIANS SWIM WITH THE FISH
Wonder if Amitabh Bachan is recording INDIA SINKING jingle.
India's economic growth in the last decade was a result of outsourcing US and European business, mainly the service sector, to India. But now, almost all US and European technology companies have already outsourced what they practically can. There was no intrinsic growth in India and now when the flow of capital and jobs from US/Europe has come to an equilibrium, the real economic indicators in India, are speaking up. If I was an investor, I will think twice rather thrice before investing a dollar more in India.
The only growth left in India is the hair between the legs. Value of rupee has tanked, inflation is in the clouds, stock market has crashed, corruption is rampant, hospitals are burning, people are dying in scores, societal values have rotted, Microsoft and GE are pulling the plug on call centers...Dell and Delta Airlines have almost packed up and shifted the call centers to Canada. Pakistan has opened up Wagah Border to provide food aid for India (Thank you, Pakistan, for helping out).
We have been saying along. Our family pulled all money from Indian banks a few months ago fearing a run at the banks.
Forget the GDP, focus on these murder statistics.
In India, millions of girls are strangled, slowly starved or simply tossed in the trash. Moreover, in India, at least 1,370 girls are aborted every day. As a comparison, some 250 Indians die every day in road accidents. Terrorists killed about six people, on an average, every day in 2009. In the last two decades of economic progress, 10 million girls have died as such in India.
SHAME ON INDIA AND ITS BARBARIC AND MEDIEVAL CULTURE !!!
Indians have killed more human beings (girls particularly) than Al Qaeda and Talibans put together.
This is indeed sickening. What a heartless society India is. We need to reduce the immigrants coming from India. They are bad news.
Mumbai and Chennai are the illegal cricket gambling capitals of the world. Cash Flows from these operations are being siphoned off by the Indian government to finance terrorists globally, particularly in the region. This off the book financing is also being used, in the case of sales of illegal booze, to finance terrorism. This way the indians are able to dodge the american financial radar.The american congressional politicians have been alerted to the double game Indians are playing.
We heard the operatives are using southeast asia to launder money via India. The IPL Indian cricket league is a big gambling front.
Ehud Meir
You are as jewish as Osama Bin Laden.
I want to know if there is a demand for a steak joint in Bareilly, India. I am thinking like a diner type place as affordability maybe a factor in these down times. All you can eat during fridays.
Forget the steak. Name it "Kapoor's Kapooras" and sell bbq bull's b@lls
India Inc.....Down the Sink...in a Wink
With plenty of stink
In India 55.8% women and 24.7% men have anemia with highest prevalence in Assam and Jharkhand (69%) followed by Bihar (67.4%).
The biggest obstacle to India ia the DNA of its people...mean spirited, like termites they appear harmless but will eat you to the core.That is one of the biggest character traits that has kept this country from progressing and amounting to much.
WELL SAID !!
Islam is violence to non-believers:
"Fight and slay the pagans (infidels) wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." – Sura 9:5
"Prophet, make war on unbelievers and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them." – Sura 9:73
"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... Prophet, (Muhammed) rouse the faithful to arms! If they (the non-Muslims) incline to peace (accept Islam) make peace with them." – Sura 8:59
"If they reject your judgement, know that it is Allah's wish to scourge them for their sins." – Sura 5:49
"Believers (Muslims), take neither Jews nor Christians to be your friends: they are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number, and God does not guide (those Jewish and Christian) wrong-doers." – Sura 5:51
Like Rodney Dangerfield (RIP) India can get no respect. Nobody takes the country or the people seriously. After thousands of years of existence, still a medieval society, dark age culture.It has become a liability for its neighbors.
Gee wheez krm1007, you have just described ISLAM!
Based on your logic we should rename India as the Islamic Emirate of India.
You be so very dumb.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will not hurt me.
So neener neener neener.
If we do not control India's population, I am afraid it will pose problems for world community particularly its neighbors. With famine in India, cannibalism is a plausible scenario.
Will be a field day for Aghoris (Cannibal Tribe in India who worship Shiva) who are already licking their chops.
What did the cow say to the pundit......Mooooo.....have some porterhouse mooooments...Lol
Hndu saala billee ka gooon hai
Well said mamu! even one of their prime minister used to drink his urine,and hindus named it desai cola . what a filthy nation.They all need to be burnt alive so that ganges could be filled.
@Inbred cartoon Moha Mad !
As your name explains ,you are a MAD, so what can anyone expect from a mad person. I add one more word with your name ,what about devil.Some mothers do have them.
IMPORTANT!
For the information of Air India travellers!
Air India has started serving a beverage to its passengers in both local and international flights, the "DESAI COLA", old formula, with new taste. Non hindus be careful! read the contents.Does it smell something like UUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNN.
No wonder these Air India planes stink so much. When they open the plane doors at JFK the whiff kills you. The bldg needs to be fumigated.
On the other hand, I have only washed my hands, feet and forehead for several months and I stink big time.
I stink so bad, that if I were to be close to you, you would throw up.
There is one Supreme God and many other demi Gods; also there are different paths to the Supreme God – Path of action,path of Knowledge, Path of Devotion and path of Self control and a combination of these. These are called Karma, Jnyana,Bhakthi and Raja yoga. Indians have the most Innocuous religion as they consider all paths as paths to the supreme.
Quran – is very petty as it considers only its path as best, and further goes on to kill other non-muslim innocent people .!!!! This Religion should be BANNED
Here comes the atheist,"dhobi ka kutta ghar ka na ghat ka", Hinduism is not a religion its a collection of fear, whatever they fear like, when moon eclips occurs they relate it as "look the devil is eating the moon", when cyclone comes they say,devi mata is angry,and start a puja. When they see any abnormal creature they start worshiping it,its their self created so called religion,whereas judaism,christianity,and islam all great prophetic religions are based on sending messengers to the people by Almighty God..These religions came to eliminate superstions, an dthats why a large number of hindus embraced islam,christianity when it emerged in the subcontinent.it is your inferiority complex that you try to compare hinduism with prophetic religion. Like they call elephant their god,lol,when this animal or their god steal sugar cane from a field the same worshipper who calls it god drag him out calling with abusive words. so no one should believe these people,they are fools,and only islam changed them telling them not to waste time on worshipping animals and insects.They have a lot of godesses and gods.They dont know which one they worshiped in the morning and which one is to worship in the night.They were living in dark and Islam brought them into light.Period.
INDIA: On a Goat and a Stick:
The problem with India is that is built on a system of cultural and societal values based on Hinduism which is a cult. Nations built on a cult seldom survive in the long run. You can only take it so far based on symbolisms of a goat and a stick with a skinny little man aka gandhi banging boys at night and spinning wheels during daytime.
Among the various charges disclosed in the book: Gandhi not only slept in beds with young women under the age of 18, but also engaged in a long-term, gay affair with German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder Hermann Kallenbach, for whom India's peace icon at one point left his wife in 1908. As the Wall Street Journal reports:
He makes Sandusky seem like an angel.
What happened? Outside investors (the ones that drove India's growth) finally realized that India is just another hot, stinking, over-crowded, Third World sh1t-hole.
...with completely awesome cuisine.
Muslims who ask Westerners to read the Koran are bluffers. Secretly they hope you won't. I was convinced by one such Muslim and not only read the Koran but the canonical hadith and Ishaq's biography of Mohammed. What I read shocked, appalled and disgusted me. Never was such a massive hoax perpetrated against mankind. I was one of those people who really believed the lie that Islam means Peace. Ironically after reading the Koran, I now know differently. For instance, all Muslim scholars agree that Islam in fact means 'submission'. For those of us brought up on the peaceful teachings of Jesus and Buddha, you will find something very, very different in the person of Mohammed. Never EVER accept what a Muslim tells you about Islam or the Koran. They are quite honestly the most appalling liars I have ever met. When I read the so-called 'holy' Islamic texts I was utterly dismayed at the extent to which I had been lied to. In the Koran you will not find an enlightened master but a hateful murderer, bent on the cruel domination of the world and the subjugation and ridicule of Christians and Jews. Mohammed's hatred of Jews is so toxic as to leave one sick to the stomach. No wonder Winston Churchill compared the Koran with Mein Kampf. Everyday more and more Westerners are exposing Islam for what it is. Take the very worst of the Old Testament, and add a sick, deranged monomaniac, mass murderer, slave trader, thief, liar, pedophile, and much more, and you have the Koran. There is nothing Noble in it. And if you don't believe me, take a look for yourself.
Read it again.
You were probably reading hindu Vedas.
BTW are you an Indian hindu?
Only a mentally sick person can react aginst a great religion in this way, if you are a gay you may seek help from Gaybama, he is helping out gays. Muslims dont like gays.
Islamaniacs trumpet that Islam is the fastest growing religion and must therefore be right, but surely it has all the hallmarks of a cult that offers certainty not understanding. Fascism and communism were ideologies that encompassed a billion people but today are discounted as having any worth. The majority are often wrong and that is why inspired leaders exist that have a better dream, and also the Bible tells that the road to destruction is broad and wide (Matthew 7:13).
The Muslim apologists claim that Islam is a religion of peace and that the terrorists aren’t real Muslims. This reminds me of when the Soviet Union had its communist grip on Eastern Europe. When one pointed out that it was a crap system with food shortages, queues for everything and nothing working properly, the red propagandists would claim that the real communists weren’t in charge. Today we have a similar situation with Islamic propagandists saying the terrorists aren’t representative, despite all the bombers and hijackers claiming action for allah.
You are not making much sense. Let me reprint a posting a saw in these froums that would enlighten you.
Revert back to me if you have any further questions. Muslims are our brethren and we share common religious beliefs. An insult to them is an insult on us.
Here you go:: This is from a @krm1007 post
"It appears to me that Muslims are the fastest growing segment of world society today. As others are withering away the Muslims seem to be rising again with their contributions as was the case historically when they ruled India and Europe and left behind a legacy of science, art, architecture, culinary et al. One only needs to go to Spain and India to witness this. As immigrants, it is a good thing to be aware of your glorious heritage and be connected with it. The Italian immigrants do it as do the Germans, Polish, Jewish, Hispanic and many other cultures. What really pleasantly surprised me was what I witnessed in the Middle East. A tolerant society that has come so far in a few years. Most importantly providing job and economic opportunities to all, Hindus/Indians, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Europeans, Americans, Africans, South Americans, Chinese, and Russians etc. Never have I witnessed such openness and equal opportunities unless you go back to the times of Muslim rule in India and Spain. My conclusion is that the Muslims get it. They are striving to once again take their leadership role in the world order and take this civilization to its next level of excellence. The climb to success and progress is not a linear curve but a stochastic one. Let us join in wishing our Muslim brethren well and much success in their endeavors. If we can't help them let's not pull the rug from under them."
On the other hand, The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with non believers. Some are extremely graphic with commands to chop off heads, etc. You only have to look at countries were Islam is dominant (such as Middle East & Pakistan) here other religions suffer brutal persecution. This does not occur in Western (Christian) countries who are tolerant of Islam. In fact I would go as far as saying that violence is so ingrained in Islam that muslims have never stopped being at war, either with other religions or with themsleves. Each year thousands of Christian homes and churches are torched or bombed by muslim mobs. Yet, there is little violent retribution from Christians. What I find strange is that Muslim clerics in the West do not fear for their safety as do their Christian counterparts. A recent fact showed that almost 70% of the world's refugees are muslims fleeing violence from their homelands and usually seeking a safe passage to a Christian country.
Muslims are blamed for their brutality in system or against non muslims, imagine jesus, nailed against a cross, blood oozing out, this picture you are showing to the world for more than a thousand year, how do you explain brutality? Who did this to a prophet .what is a difference between nailing to death and stoning to death.Shame is a little word for you.
Now the Muslims say that they only fight those that started it first, those who cause trouble are apparently fair game for slaughter. The Koran says ‘persecution is worse than slaughter’ (2:191). Quite a different message from turning the other cheek. However, some Muslims seem persecuted by the mere presence of non-Muslims. This was the reasoning behind attacks on the USS Cole, that they didn’t like Americans in their waters or based on the soil of Saudi Arabia, whether invited or not. Yet these people that feel so persecuted will tell you of how merciful and big hearted Mohammed was to Jews, and claim Christians cried when Muslims removed their presence from them in Syria or someplace.
This is clearly propaganda and nonsense to claim that non-Muslims felt protected by Muslims when the Koran tells them to be compassionate to Muslims but to show harshness to others. The Jews fled the Romans and settled all over Arabia, becoming a majority in Yathrib. They took Mohammed in when he needed a base, and their eventual reward was to be expelled or worse from their own city, which was then renamed Medina. If Mohammed was so kind, then how come there are no Jews in Mecca today? Come to think of it, only Muslims are allowed there, period. Would any such apartheid be tolerated in the West? Why are Mecca and Medina such a closed cities?
Again this is nonsense. Warped sense of interpretation of a hindu zealot trying to spread hate against muslims in particular.
I have studied the qoran and your interpretation are nothing but misrepresentation and lies. Not sure how your conscience allows this.
Very interesting blog and insightful too. I'm not too educated or anything in Islam but I just started diving into the Koran so I'm very new. I have all kinds of impressions of Islam. I had a few questions and maybe someone can help me answer these.
Part of being peaceful means living in harmony, tranquility while respecting one another and their beliefs. So if Islam truly is peaceful can some guy like me go to Afghanistan or Iran and practice any religion I want to and be respected peacefully just like here in the US, Canada, and Australia?
I was touching up on some history on Islam and I read the part when Mohammed died, Abu Bakr took over. Why did he send all the Muslims to attack Europe and India first? Isn't that kind of messed up to go out and just attack countries that never even did anything to them? What was the purpose of that? I thought they were suppose to be peaceful and only fight when other countries pick on them.
I mean, I understand why Iran is at war with the US, that makes sense. Its political issues stem from oil and other conflicts of interests. But why did the early Muslims just go out and start picking on other countries?
On the other hand, I have not studied anything. My imam told me to come here and create troubles between people. Because my p ec ker is very small, I enjoy this job very much.
On the other hand, I have not studied anything. My imam told me to come here and create troubles between people. Because my pike is very small, I enjoy this job very much.
The concept of the trinity, the father, the son and the holy ghost seems very problematic for Muslims. St. Patrick used a three leafed shamrock to demonstrate how three could be one. But regardless of whether this trinity is an interpretation imposed by the church or not, it is irrelevant to the spiritual message. It’s like the theologians that debate how many angels can fit on the head of a pin. It’s not an answer that is necessary to understand the spiritual truth, the bread and water of life. How God works is said to be a mystery and that his ways aren’t our ways, so claiming that understanding how God works is not a prerequisite to understanding his message. Furthermore, the flat out denial by Islam that God could have a son seems to contradict and go against the usual claim that God can do anything.
Sir, you are on a misrepresentation mission that we cannot accept.
Qoran, Torah and Bible have underlying commonalities. Unlike hinduism, we all believe in the unity of god. Hope this helps in clearing the misconceptions that you may have. If you would like more info please walk into your nearest Beth Israel Temple which are plentiful in India.
On the other hand, Gentlemen, I ask your pardon. I am a Christian and, therefor, an "other." One of the early posts in this stream begged forgiveness for posting as a non-believer. He does you a disservice. I have found more truth in these few sentences delivered by you, sincere believers, than I have in several years of hearing about the "evil, violent faith," Islam. Your words have caused me to repent of some of the ideas I have espoused until reading this stream. I thank you for your posts from the bottom of my heart.
Just as "Christians" have committed atrocities in the past, using their connection to the church to justify their actions, terrorists continue to use Islamic scripture to justify their actions. Granted, and freshly learned from this discussion, the Scripture has been taken out of contest, but is still used as justification.
I look forward with great anticipation to future discussions. Indeed, God is great, and may we all find Her way in our lives.
Joe, are you on Opioids by any chance? You appear to be hallucinating.
Go away, Joe. This isn't the time or place for your message.
Joseph,when did you come out from the rehab centre lastly.it seems treatment there did not help you much and this is dangerous for us ,you are out. Why dont you give first aid to your jesus,who is nailed against a cross and bleeding.who did it to him?
New, More Dangerous Hindu Extremist Groups Emerge in India
Christians and Jews concerned as rightwing factions splinter to form militant outfits.
PUNE, India, October 29 (CDN) — After more than a decade of severe persecution, India’s Christian and Jewish minority are growing increasingly concerned over the mushrooming of newer and deadlier Hindu extremist groups.
Gone are the days when Christians had to watch out only for the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) and its youth wing, Bajrang Dal, which are closely linked with the most influential Hindu extremist umbrella organization, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). With voter support faltering for the RSS’s political wing, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), moderate and extremist sections within the Hindu nationalist movement are blaming each other, and militant splinter groups have emerged.
Claiming to be breakaway factions of the RSS, new groups with even more extreme ideology are surfacing. The Abhinav Bharat (Pride of India), the Rashtriya Jagran Manch (National Revival Forum), the Sri Ram Sene (Army of god Rama), the Hindu Dharam Sena (Army for Hindu Religion) and the Sanatan Sanstha (Eternal Organization) have launched numerous violent attacks on Christian, Jewish and Muslim minorities.
I am appalled pastor. Shame on these hindus.
The Sri Ram Sene was one of the most active groups that launched a series of attacks on Christians and their property in and around Mangalore city in the southern state of Karnataka in August-September 2008, according to a report, “The Ugly Face of Sangh Parivar,” published by the People’s Union of Civil Liberties (PUCL), in March 2009. In Jabalpur city in the central state of Madhya Pradesh, suspected extremists from the Abhinav Bharat attacked the Rhema Gospel Church on Sept. 28, according to the Global Council of Indian Christians. They had earlier attacked Pastor Sam Oommen and his family in the same city on Aug. 3.
The Hindu Dharam Sena has become especially terrifying for Christians in Jabalpur. Between 2006 and 2008, Jabalpur was plagued by at least three anti-Christian attacks every month, according to The Caravan magazine. In the western state of Gujarat and other parts of the country, the Rashtriya Jagran Manch has also violently attacked Christians, according to news website Counter Currents.
I am glad we are droning these people.
It is the campaigning we Americans do to get our company SAMS club into India than we can move the manufacturing to anywhere in the world wherever we find it cheap and all these manufacturing units in India we can exploit it.
If SAMS CLUB will start in India It is going to shut down all the small businesses and we will be there BOSS and they will SamsCLUB Servants
India's problem is too many people. There are simply not enough resources to go around. The US is starting to have the same problem, with the influx of illegal residents and US residents who fail or refuse to limit the size of their families. The world is not infinite and population cannot grow forever.
India is rich in only one resource, people, and the only thing it is successfully doing now is making our antibiotics ineffective.
Wow,
what a collection of extremists from all the religions and areas:
Pakistanis -The dreamers from the great Islamic country who dream of India splitting and Pakistani flag flying on Red fort. They have the worst problems in the world and are rated in the failing countries list in the top 15. Yet they dream of west falling, India destroyed, Israel destroyed and pretty much the whole world is destroyed. Yet Islam is a religion of peace and pakistanis have all the things in the world.
The christian right: They hate everything, Indians, pakistans and pretty much anything non-Christian.
The tea partiers: They think Indians and chinese steal all their jobs and think Obama is a commie. Tell them that there is flaws with any other country, they are ecstatic and start praising US and Its greatness. A bunch of guys who dream of US in its 1950's and want them to return.
Indian right wingers: Unable to accept the failings of India and its systems and come to its defence evertime. There are lot of things wrong with India and its systems.
Chill out guys: Nothing major is going to happen for the next 25 years. India will grow at 5-7% per year, will keep on fighting with issues and social problems. It is not going to split.
US will remain dominant and keep on getting the best brains from the rest of the world. It will keep on using drones of Pakistan.
Pakistanis will keep on complaining about everything and US dreams and dreaming about when islam rises and takes over the world. It is not going to split either. BTW american drones will keep on bombing pakistani frontier.
China will keep on making Ipods and electronics for US and getting paid 50 cents for hour.
World wont change.
You forgot the hate and ultra violence propagated the cult of Islam.
"cult of Islam "well said,Miss hindu!, you may ask your gender what are they feeling Islam in UAE? you may ask Ritti bye,rana liaqat ali, and jodha by how they felt the cult in the Islamic bed, that you could have only wished. "angoor khattey hain"
I have read with interest the thesis presented in this forum that "small is beautiful". Empowering subjugated minorities in India by splitting it into smaller states would trigger uber economic demand for western nations who have given so much financial and technology aid to India with no return to show for the investment. I concur with this approach and with economic background find the premise to be on solid footing. Central Asian States (CAS) are a case in point on this successful approach. We need to understand that India has an unmanageable large population mired in poverty and we are spinning our wheels trying to feed it. It is also too big of a geographical unit to govern. Again, we saw how a few teenage talibans were able to invade it with a few BB guns. Even the CIA/Mossad were not able to stop it.
Can you believe it a few teenagers held up a nation of over 1.3 billion. ROFL.
On the other hand, I laugh at all things stupid.
23 May 2012 Last updated at 16:06 ET Help The sister of schoolgirl Shafilea Ahmed broke down in tears as she told a court how the 17-year-old gasped for air, as her parents allegedly suffocated her.
Alesha Ahmed said Iftikhar, 52, and Farzana Ahmed, 49, killed her sister at their Warrington home in 2003.
She said her parents put a plastic bag in Shafilea's mouth and held their hands over her face.
At Chester Crown Court, Mr and Mrs Ahmed both deny murder.
Judith Moritz reports.
The Shafia Family murders took place on June 30, 2009 in Kingston, Ontario. Shafia sisters Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, along with Rona Amir Mohammed, 50, were found dead inside a car that was discovered underwater in front of the northernmost Kingston Mills lock of the Rideau Canal on the same day.[1] Zainab, Sahar, and Geeti were daughters of Mohammad Shafia, 58 and his wife Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 41. The couple also had a son Hamed, 20. Rona, who was herself infertile, was the first wife of Mohammad Shafia in their polygamous household.
There are so many instances of violence within islam that we would need a library to house them.
Religion of Peace??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Joe, baby, you cut and pasted this in the wrong spot. Doesn't mesh in with the context. Come again.
`You are so right. I must be losing my mind. I have no idea what I am doing or saying. Please do not read anything else from me–it will be idiotic as usual.
What became of "Incredible India"? I will tell you what happened. It became "Implausible India" !! Can we now get Amitab Bacha to sing the jingle.
HUMPTY DUMPTY SAT ON THE WALL
HUMPTY DUMTY HAD AN IMPLAUSIBLE FALL.
The biggest problem with India is that the society is based on Hinduism which is a CULT....communal s@x, drugs, medieval and barbaric values, worship every tom dick and harry. The world has rejected Hinduism and concentrated it in one location so it is easy to get rid of when time comes. I have been told that Islam has the largest following in the world and the fastest growing religion. You are most welcome to embrace it...visit your nearest mosque. They do have a home visit program with appointments.
Countries based on such cult like values seldom survive in the long run.
Besides emerging as a regional power, the time has come for Pakistan to take the leadership role in the Islamic World and lead them to the path of progress, prosperity and glory. The only nuclear nation in the Islamic World, Pakistan has shown the world that it can stand up to the nuances of world politics on principles and partake in global affairs. Also, that it can equally contribute to the progress of this planet called Earth. The sacrifices of the Pakistani nation in making this world safe is unmatched and deserves a seat at the table of the permanent members of The UN Security Council
Amen
and shelter osama ? right !
Rich became super rich and poor became extremely poor – Incredible, US is on the same track.
As the author of "in your face IRS: zero taxes", ISBN 978-1477640456, wrote – shut-off the power in washington before smoke comes out; vote for independent candidates, any independent will be better than Dems and Reps. Lobbists and bankers don't give millions in campaign contribution to independents.
What happened to JAI KALI MAA!
You are obviously a moron muslim.
Get your head out of your a$$.
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This forum won't let me quote the third sentence in the fifth paragraph where it says India ranks 5th behind India.
Does CNN have ANY editors?
I am a canadian who chose to go to India for my dental degree. It is very difficult to paint the country with such broad strokes as I am reading here. The major problem I find in India is corruption. In a lot of cases, money can buy literally anything. However. The potential I see in India is astounding. The intellect level is unsurpassed. The literacy level in some southern states is 99%, not just of their native language, but English. I had very poor patients that would have extremely intellectual conversations with me, and it blew my mind. I grew up in Canada, and attended advanced programs (I skipped a year, and was in IB accelerate program even after that and graduated high school at 16) and when I went to India, the level of education and intellect was insane, I was at best, average. Even after doing two years of university at the number 32 university in the world, here in Canada, I knew far less than the average 18 high school graduate. I think the only thing holding India back is politics and in turn, corruption. I think there is something everyone is forgetting, modern India is actually very young, gaining independence only in 1947. The country as it is today is less than 75 years old. I feel a lot of the issues plaguing India stem from the hostile take over by the mughal empire and the British over the last few hundred years. Historically India has given civilization a lot, from math to yoga to holistic medicine, and India is struggling to get back on its feet after gaining independence. I think it is in it's teenager phase of getting to know it's self, struggling to break free of it's old traditions that are unwelcome but surely progressing. and by the way, 2 dollars a day may seem very little, but 100 rupees goes a long way, I don't think anyone remembers the cost of living is very ceap, especially in a rural setting. I think I could get by on 100 rupees for food and transportation while I was there, with money left over, when I was posted in the village. In the city, it is more expensive, but again the wages increase for minimum wage. This is why reading statistics don't really tell the whole story. There are definitely problems in India,cbut India is an amazing place and I really hope it can reach it's full potential.
Doc, You certainly are funny. Appears you took some anti depressants before you wrote this rant. How much did you pay to get thru the exams? Self Denial is the hindu way, soon the talibs will waste it away.
"Another indictment of the sorry state of Indian education was the view held by students that cheating in examinations is their traditional right. In India universities cheating is now well-established. The fees for manipulating entrance tests ranges between $80 to $20,000 for popular programmes such as computer science, medicine and engineering the report said. " Source: UNESCO
I am not a hindu sir. I am not sure if you read through my credentials, however, I was at the top of my class in Canada, where I was born and raised and received a full ride scholarship to a very prestigious Canadian university. I chose to attend school in India after two years of my bachelor's to have an international experience. The college I attended is recognized in the United states and Canada and our examiners come from the us and canada. In short, there is no way of paying for a seat or to pay to pass through the degree. I understand that there might be colleges undertaking this practice, but I assure you mine, as well as many in India, do not. I also would like you to search the number to students who attend colleges in the us and Canada, and are given interviews etc based on donations given by there families. There is a current investigation going on. I hope you do not just take one article and assume that is what is the truth for 100% of schools in India or elsewhere. It is highly naive to do so.
Doctora, You certainly are funny. Appears you took some anti depressants before you wrote this rant. How much did you pay to get thru the exams? Self Denial is the hindu way, soon the talibs will waste it away.
"Another indictment of the sorry state of Indian education was the view held by students that cheating in examinations is their traditional right. In India universities cheating is now well-established. The fees for manipulating entrance tests ranges between $80 to $20,000 for popular programmes such as computer science, medicine and engineering the report said. " Source: UNESCO
Doctora, You certainly are funny. How much did you pay to get thru the exams? Self Denial is the hindu way, soon the talibs will waste it away.
"Another indictment of the sorry state of Indian education was the view held by students that cheating in examinations is their traditional right. In India universities cheating is now well-established. The fees for manipulating entrance tests ranges between $80 to $20,000 for popular programmes such as computer science, medicine and engineering the report said. " Source: UNESCO
Really, a perfect description of India. Thanks for doing it.....
This article is all about looking in the mirror...swami. Get it? Have you looked in the mirror lately? No...then let me help ya::
LIPSTICK ON A PIG: The Story of India
Mirror Mirror on the Wall
Indian Hindus are the slimiest of them all
The way you let the Shadows Play
You'd think my hair was getting Gray.
What's that, you say? A double chin?
Nah, that's the way the light comes in.
Self Denial....is the Hindu play
Maybe catharsis is another way.
You certainly are funny. How much did you pay to get thru the exams? Self Denial is the hindu way, soon the talibs will waste it away.
"Another indictment of the sorry state of Indian education was the view held by students that cheating in examinations is their traditional right. In India universities cheating is now well-established. The fees for manipulating entrance tests ranges between $80 to $20,000 for popular programmes such as computer science, business, medicine and engineering the report said. " Source: UNESCO
"Experimental Democracy" has failed in India. An experiment that was being shoved down India's throat by western countries too eager to propagate their own values on a country that was trying to decolonize itself while trying to shed the communist skin of being a Soviet ally. India was thus trapped. What has become evident now is that this "Experimental Democracy" has marginalized the country. The marginalized groups of the country – Dalits and ‘backward’ castes/classes, indigenous ‘tribal’ people and religious minorities have been disenfranchised. "The belief that corruption is the important issue in the country is shared only by the minority living in urban areas and towns who have been beneficiaries of economic liberalization policies mandated by western countries. The most important challenges of Indian society remain as follows: justice, social and economic equality and equal access to certain standards of life for all Indians. “While India seems too eager to please its western masters and put on a progressive and softer face for CNN for public consumption, people see through it. The consequences of this "Band – Aid" approach will be brutal for India geo-politically when it realizes that the GDP statistics that it has been relying to gage its progress has not amounted to much in the long run. The western nations will siphon this Indian productivity into its coffers. So what we see is "British (now AMERICAN) East India Company" circa 1600.
How true and what an accurate protrayal of India. Thanks for your penmanship. India definitely is fighting for its soul as the marauders play a number on it. Mark my words that American withdrawal from Afghnaistan will be the last nail in India's coffin.
is your PhD real ? It has been democratic for 60 years and it is experimental ? Nobody thrusted democracy on India.
We basically have a monarchy pretending to be a democracy. Of the 60 years of so called democracy 55 years have been taken by fake Gandhi family controlled by external forces, first Russia and now Italy. Bunch of feudal state level parties and only one Congress party which managed to stay in power by claiming to be the Congress party which got India independence. The truth is that it is not the congress which brought us independence, the original congress not a family owned business which it has currently become. First it was a muslim pretending to be a Gandhi who sold the country to islam and its supporters and a roman catholic has taken over who is busy selling it to the Vatican and robbing India....
Corruption and now evangelical christianity is a gift of Fake Gandhi family to destroy India completely .....they might ass well infect every indian with HIV or cancer.....we barely got independence from Chrisitan British and before that the muslims sucked our blood for 1000 years....it is amazing India is still standing inspite of muslim parasites and christian parasites ransacked it for a 1000 years....
NEW YORK: Renowned Indian activist and novelist Arundhati Roy has decried the silence of the international community over the continued “brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir” and said Kashmiris should be given the right to self-determination……
She said so little was known about the atrocities being committed by more than half a million Indian troops, the continuing repression and indignities let loose on Kashmiri men, women and children.
More than 700,000 troops were concentrated in the tiny valley, with checkpoints at every nook and corner of Kashmiri towns and cities. The huge Indian presence, she added, was in sharp contrast with 160,000 US troops in Iraq.
Ms Roy alleged that Indian army or security personnel were killing young children, adding that Kashmiris were not radical Islamists or jihadists as India portrayed them. She deplored the Indian government’s attempts to demonise Kashmiris who were moderate Muslims.
Kashmir was built by killing all Hindu men and taking over Hindu women and rapping them to make more muslims....before you start showing sympathy for current muslim population in Kashmir tell me what happened to all Hindu's in Kashmir....and now the same thing is happening in Kerela.....Hindus are the most peaceful, non violent, non prsoletizing intellectual people in the world....they donot occupy other peoples countries or run conversion programs to covertly take over large pieaces of land .....Arundhati roy has no clue about history or geography.....The Hindu Holocast numbers far exceed the Jewish Holocast numbers.....Kashmir, Pakistan and Afghanistan were all once part of Hindu India .....they are all now dying a slow death due to a disease called Islam......no education, no knowledge, no peace, no productivity ....only violence, robbery, ignorance,.....true face of islam.....find me a Islamic country without oil which is prosperous and has produced more intellectuals and scholars than India
@ Doctor, thanks once again....& @Jaceb Goerge, don't know about which India you are talking about. I can tell you a lot about cheating cases in schools in USA. Here's the link you can watch for yourself, the story was done by CNN : http://schoolsofthought.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/25/report-test-cheating-may-be-widespread/
I think you are being too emotional as is evident from your vitriol. India must cease financing the terrorists and address the Kashmir genocide issue (among others such as Tamils, Maoists etc.) in order for peace to prevail in south Asia.
NEW YORK: Renowned Indian activist and novelist Arundhati Roy has decried the silence of the international community over the continued “brutal Indian occupation of Kashmir” and said Kashmiris should be given the right to self-determination.
“Kashmir is one of the most protracted and bloody occupations in the world — and one of the most ignored,” she told a large audience at the Asia Society during a discussion on “Kashmir — a case for freedom”.
Under the Indian military rule in Kashmir, Ms Roy said, freedom of speech was non-existent and human rights abuses were routine. Elections were rigged and the press controlled.
She said the lives of Kashmiris were made miserable by gun-totting security personnel who harassed and terrorised people with impunity, adding that disappearances were almost a daily occurrence as also kidnapping, arrests, fake encounters and torture. Mass graves have been discovered and the conscience of the world remains unstirred……
The apathy towards Kashmir, especially in the western world, Ms Roy said, was because of their pursuit of commercial interests in India where they were more eager to “sell their goods than human rights”……..
We cannot keep giving state after state to Islam just because muslims multiply like rabbits. Pakistan and Bangladesh were a one time deal....we harbour more Muslims in India than Pakistan and Bangaldesh combined....And they are happy and successful at the expense of hard working intelligent Hindus....the same muslims if given their own state will become another pakistan....good for nothing nuisance state and a threat to world peace.
You folks are taking undue advantage of secularism and peace loving Indians.....islam is busy converting and taking over many countries including many European countries.....
How many lives do you live in this world, 7 right? what were you in your previous "janam', a queen an untouchable. or a poisonous snake?How do your bad deeds are paid? do you know from which janam you are going through?,your so called self made chon chon ka murabba religion is a stigma in the name of religion. dont fool the world. Every hindu is a burden on his country,they eat ,for seven janam and thats the reason of your poverty you will never come out of this.A shameful cult.
I can't believe how disliked Indians are by reading the comments in this forum. It is so unfortunate.
I hope the State Dept people are reading this as it is free education for them. I hope the Indians are learning from this. CNN certainly is.
Jimmy, I agree with you. India needs to take some time out and try to redefine itself. USA has played a number on it for the past two decades and India has lost its footing, respect, and its place in the region. It has been marginalized. Too much focus on GDP growth that has now disappeared leaving it wth nothing. China is all over it and Pakistan will now give it the one two blow.
We were sold a "bill of goods" about the wonders of the economic engine in India. We were blind to the fact that the government is rotten to the core and most of the people live in abject poverty. Another PR scam on the part of the economic advisers talking about "the wonders of off-shoring." Buy American. Tell the companies in America to bring the call centers back to America so we can understand them and they know what to do.
When I buy electronic goods the first question I have is where are the service centers located. If not in USA, I do not buy that product. I am so tired of dealing with Indian call centers where you can't understand their accents, lies they tell you on the phone and the incompetencies of these Indians. I ordered a replacement battery for my Dell laptop which took 3 months to arrive and when it did it was the wrong type! It was very frustrating.
Houston , we have a racist.
Incredible India is all crap. Majority there survive in horrendous poverty. Homelessness is rampant, and they have more cell phones than toilets! Talk about human development!
Still, Jia Ho India
The only thing incredible about India is how incredibly dirty and filthy India is. I would not be surprised if it was named the dirtiest and filthiest nation of earth.
Ravi Agarwal pickup more mature topic.
Labor cost in India is low, but all the people Want to work and not like some American kids who are totally spoiled and look into website crimespot.../ spotcrime... and get the Statistics and take example any area like oakland...Stockton, California where you can here shots every day night and you cannot walk after 7.30 Pm or pretty much any time of day and people local are worried, at least in India agree we have few blasts but you can walk and there is no GUNlicense, Drug... problem like America. Young kids get distracted even in area like Milpita where there are which is supposed to be located in good Silicon Valley i keep wondering whats the use of technology
Bottom line every country has challenges, India the problem is Physical and USA mental where you have twenty credit cards and cannot live happily and have to keep working or declare Bankcrupt. I hope the writer and CNN picks matures topic and not fool readers with easy cherry picking topics. Enough grow up and pick some other topic about country India like hygiene, research and similarly in America Guns, drugs, gangs safety, bankruptcy etc.
Finally is the housing problem SOLVED in America? NO Long way people are there without the jobs and American Presidential Running candidates talks about that all the time. Google USPS postal issues and Contract Postal small business are shutdown with one day notice.
The bottom line is the time has come for India to kiss Pakistan's ring and achknowledge it the new leader.
PAKISTAN.....The New Gateway to Central Asia and Europe.
With a population of over 180 million most of whom are well educated, English speaking, entrepreneurial and a cultural and social fit with Central Asians...Pakistan will now become the new face and gateway to Central Asia and Europe. Pakistan will thus span this region and provide the impetus for growth, prosperity and unity among these countries. These are new and exciting times for Pakistanis who should now look forward to their new leadership role aligned with Central Asia and Europe rather than the Subcontinent. We wish them much success as they have sacrificed the most during the past 30 + years creating a new world order.
SHAME ON INDIANS..... For financing the terrorists waging this war. Shame on the Indians from running away scared from terrorists and taking bullets in their back. Shame on the Indians from counting the GDP statistics while American and Pakistani blood was being shed in the battlefield trying to make the world safe.
Is this the kind of neighbors you would want living next door to you and your kids??? HECK NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD !!!!!
Boss, you have learned little and very dangerous. The fight against terrorism is the reason why you are paying the cheapest oil prices in the developed nations. Nothing is colder than the drone attacks in Pakistan. Pakistan let thousands of people die in the devastating earthquake and floods but denied Indian aid which was offered the very next day. That is what hate does.
DEMISE OF INDIA: The aftermath of Afghanistan invasion
The American invasion of Afghanistan brought to the forefront the irrelevance of India as a nation. With a population of over 1.2 billion people there was no value that this nation could bring to the table. Their soldiers (ragtag) 1.2million continue hiding in the trenches scared from Talibans. A few teenage Talibans invaded the country and held it hostage for days on end showing how useless India is. It was embarrasing for the world to observe this humiliation of a nation that was being touted as a regional power. The Talibans brought them down in a few days with some BB guns. It is all over for India. Its demise is in process and should be completed with Afghanistan withdrawal.
We have been fighting a war for the past ten years with no end. Our soldiers have shed blood to no end. Their families are suffering. Has even one Indian soldier sacrificed his life in helping the Americans, NATO and western countries in fighting this war? The answer is a resolute NO. Folks, just think about it, 1.2 million Indian Army soldiers are sitting in trenches doing what???? Sure the heck beats me. Americans are now questioning the US Congress as to what they are doing to correct this unsustainable relationship with India. The India caucus is being monitored by citizen groups. If they don't respond to the needs of the American people political contributions to them will be severely impacted.
If it’s not In creditable India and Educated People why is company like reported last week Wells Fargo want to Shift jobs to India, Philippines and China. The basic only problem in India is Corruption and that too is coming down, poor people are studying thanks to IT and BPO jobs, New Mall are opening and employing, Most of my neighbors are happy in India are at the AGE of 90's (Atleast 20) and live with $100 happily, I can count and show to Writer in Mumbai if you consider still Polluted.
I think you need to research more about India and US collaboration in Technology, Military ETC.
10 main troop-contributing countries to UN peacekeeping operations as of October 2011 were Bangladesh (10,498), Pakistan (9,333), India (8,093), Nigeria (5,662), Ethiopia (5,233), Nepal (4,454), Egypt (4,116), Jordan (4,008), Rwanda (3,670), Ghana (2,995).[12]
@Jaceb Goerge. Why are you copy/pasting somebody else's post? And why can you not understand India is a sovereign country it is not part of NATO and definitely not part of USA. India will only join military operations that it deems are necessary. It will not jump into war just because USA or the NATO is fighting somebody. And yes India is part of UN and has a huge presence in UN peace keeping force in Africa.
1947
Birth of Pakistan – Beginning of the Demise of India
This year marks the first implosion of India as a nation. This year also represents the loss of Indian conscience following the massacre of over 3 million innocent Muslim civilians, women and children who were migrating to Pakistan. We shall never forget. We won’t let the world forget. There will be accountability.
The Armenians support Pakistanis for the atrocities commited by Indian Hindus against the muslims. We condemn India for the holocaust they created and the massacre they undertook against the Pakistani muslims. We will leave no stone unturned till the killing fields in India are identified. We will not rest till those Indians responsible are brought to trial in International Courts of Justice.
The jewish community supports our Pakistani friends against the massacre of muslims by Indians in 1947.
BS.. Another nonsensical post. I can not believe how dumb these pakis are. CNN i request you to make people take a little IQ test nothing fancy.. you know.. somthing like what is 2+2? before letting people post comments on your website. That will keep out 99% of the pakis posting nonsense..
To hinduz, lives may not be precious. To the civilized world every human counts. That is the moral divide that you and I have. Shame on you.
this article hits home for that hindu. he's actually being balanced with the statistics here not like it matters. indians smell bad period, who wants to work with dark people that smell?
Skunks
I wonder if people know but are pretending to be ignorant. The Indian situation is not the first of its kind. In the present aform of global economics, the open market is driven by the major investors. Right t the top , it's all about trading money, no commodity no resources, just pure gambling and blowing hype balloons of gas. When the profits are maximized, they pull out their investment and move elsewhere. India was one such balloon. So Thailand, Vietnam, Bangladesh will also be utilized to their full potential.
If there is a root to all problems, it is human nature. I read a few comments which were so repulsive it is almost inhuman. I understand they get their kick out of getting replies. Nothing incites more responses than racism. I am sure if we learn to ignore these sociopaths and pathological attention seekers they will crash and burn in anonymity.
Another predictable western propaganda hit piece by yet another spineless tool, this time named, Ravi Agrawal.
Did your mom drop you on your head, or what, moron ?
Thaankk uuuu faar calling dell. My name is JAMES haavee caan I assist u?
James? u mean jasminder LOL
@Mclaughin. While all the call center folks in India do not have Christian names a good chunk of them actually do. India has about 40 Million Christians and most are concentrated in urban areas and the chances of you speaking to an actual Christian is pretty high.
I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE CHRISTIANS
The Sri Ram Sene was one of the most active groups that launched a series of attacks on Christians and their property in and around Mangalore city in the southern state of Karnataka, India in August-September 2008, according to a report, “The Ugly Face of Sangh Parivar,” published by the People’s Union of Civil Liberties (PUCL), in March 2009. In Jabalpur city in the central state of Madhya Pradesh, suspected extremists from the Abhinav Bharat attacked the Rhema Gospel Church on Sept. 28, according to the Global Council of Indian Christians. They had earlier attacked Pastor Sam Oommen and his family in the same city on Aug. 3.
India cannot build sustained prosperity until it totally changes its utterly decadent social structure.
It also has to do something about the personality problems many of its otherwise more capable people exhibit when dealing with Westerners. . They typically are a complete nightmare to deal with in business and technology ! ! !
I wash my hands of them !
"And yet India has more mobile phones than toilets"....LOL that's a classic
India should drop the pretense and just call itself Tataland. They own everything (including the gov't) and have a lock on commerce.
Wow its amazing to see so many posts happily forecasting/predicting some even announcing "Demise" of a country. Keep it up people this is the exact type of mindset world needs.
Ravi Agarwal you have jumped the gun. The current bad data coming out of India is merely a bump on the road and not a trend by any means. As a contributor to CNN which is one of the largest news networks in the world and followed by millions you have a responsibility not indulge in speculation or spreading pessimism. How can anyone expect a country in rags transform to riches in one cycle of growth within 20years? India has grown considerably and will continue to grow. What do you think the 300 thousand engineers and 100 thousand MBAs coming out of colleges every year wil do? India has no where to go but up.
It is easy to play the numbers which ever way you want pretty much based on the story you want to tell but the reality on the ground is what it is. For example projected 5.3% growth in 2012 is lower than in 2010 but standing at 11th place in GDP in the world there is no other major economy other than china growing more than India. Other examples cited in the article can be challenged, while it is by no means lavish but very easy to survive in India with a $2 a day income. $3700 per capita may sound pretty low but goes a very long way in India. To put in perspective a decent apartment/single family house may be rented at around $1200/month in USA in India you can rent a comparable property at less than $200. Groceries would cost about $40/mo for an entire family.. movie tickets in fancy movie theaters cost between $1.50 and $2.
You got your statistics all mixed up, child.
INDIA:::: Some Alarming Statistics: (Source: UNDP)
• 1/3rd world’s poor is in India. It also has a higher proportion of its population living on less than $ 2 per day than even sub-Saharan Africa.
• 828 million people or 75.6% of the Indian population is living below $2 a day. 42% of the population is living below the new international poverty line
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• 33% of the global poor are Indians. Sub-Saharan Africa considered the world’s poorest region is better than India.
• 41.8% of the rural population survive with monthly per capita consumption expenditure of Rs447 ($7)on essential necessities like food, fuel, light and clothing
Your stats do not prove my statements wrong in any way. I am in fact aware of the stats you posted and my whole argument is based on similar stats. What I am saying is to the world $2 a day may seem impossible to survive on (You can barely buy a Mc Chicken and a snicker bar in the US). While a person in India earning 2 bucks a day may not live a lavish life but they don't sleep hungry either as $2 goes a long way in buying groceries and affording a place to live.
I was also pointing out the fact that India is better off and not worse off than a decade ago. In the 90's per capita income was a mere $700. Incomes have risen more than 5 fold. In spite of the bad shape India is in right now it has made great strides in the past two decades and it will continue to do so. There is no data which indicates otherwise.
AGREE AGREE AGREE : Ravi is Indian for whatever now whatever reason is picking India to popuralization, why does he not write about America and problems, becuase he has no knowledge or may be getting GREEN CARD and Chatofying like typical ex-indian or indian or get pay raise
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What happened to it? It never existed. "Incredible India" was never more than a media created myth.
Perception is reality.... thus the control of Global media ..a focus for powers. Thanks to internet at least some reality can shine through not so incredible....perceptions.....
The present situation is because MM Singh's inability to take strong steps. The young folks of India depict him as being carried by Sonia Gandhi. He has become lame duck and no strong voice to do anything. Best, if he can resign. Now, the time is ripe for Narendra Modi to make a strong case to revive the economy and rid corruption.
@Antony It is true that Mr.Singh is unable to do things his way but the reason is not the Gandhi family it is because his government is a coalition. Mr.Singh is the best thing that ever happened to India doubting his abilities or his sincerity is a grave mistake. Be grateful for what he has done to the country as well as the world. Narendra Modi on the other has no doubt accomplished great things for Gujarat but his political past suggests a very disturbing story. I may not be exaggerating at all when i say he is very similar to Hitler. Hitler developed Germany tremendously but in parallel had a very evil agenda. Germany ultimately paid the price. Modi has to come clean and prove he does not have any evil agendas to be considered to become a PM. After all all it takes on leader to take a nation to the pinnacle or into a deep abyss.
One of India's biggest problems is its "brain drain." India's best and brightest, like Ravi Agrawal and Fareed Zakaria abandoned their country so they could live a life of luxury in developed countries. Rich Indians are also eager to flee India, and willingly plop down a $500,000 investment in America so they can be put on the fast track to American citizenship. Meanwhile, over a quarter of India's population is illiterate, and about half of India's children are malnourished. Since rich and well-educated Indians are so eager to flee India, this situation will only get worse.
We have seen the likes of criminal Rajat Gupta....please don't send these duds to America to commit crimes.
@Penelope Did you know that Rajat Gupta was prosecuted by another Indian American Preeth Bahar? He also prosecuted more than 50 other high level folks and Rajat was the only Indian. So what does that tell you there is less than 1 Indian crook for more than 50 American crooks.
@Indian....the 50 were mostly Indians. And stop repeating the BS under different names. It appears lying is indian DNA.
When the whole world is showing negative growth or growing at mere 1-2 % range, a few hyper-sensitive people are fretting over 5-6 % growth rate of India. Thats the incredibility of India.....:) Love it ,like it or hate it...It is here and it is for real.
To those religious bigots who are rejoicing over it and thinking there wishes are coming true..sorry..Indian growth has nothing to do with religion and the Indian party is not over yet...so keep dreaming ...and do keep sending Veena Malik , Adnan Sami's ..We Indian's have a big heart ...To those who are happy with this story because they think Indians smell bad...There isn't a single country in the world whose people are not criticized in other parts of the world...So stop linking
WHERE IS THE BEEF? The Indian Dilemma:::
India needs to get its head from out the clouds. Let India be India. India is about poor people and lower caste. It is all about the cow not the beefshanks..
And here comes the religious bigot who has nothing else to do but to fantasize about India though he/she knows nothing about it....
Everyone, I have something to say.
I have a tumour and, as such, I can say some very stupid things. The worst thing is I have no idea when I will ever think straight again.
The problem is exasperated by the fact that I have multiple personalities but I am happy to say that all of us hate very much all of you.
Talk to me slaves:
Penelope
Jimmy
Alif Bay Pay
CowinManger SteakOnPlate
Jaceb Goerge
Samuel Brinckerhoff PhD
Congressional Watchdog
and there will be many more.
Enjoy me.
It will take India a mere 25% GDP clip to keep poverty at par. Rest is just sliding it back to extinction. 5% is toilet paper.
You need to stop plagiarizing. Big hearted? You will sell your women folk for a few paisas !! Indians are the most mean spirited and evil minded low lying specimens that I have ever come across in my lifetime. They are also very small minded. hope that helps you find yourself.
I have met many individuals of Indian descent. The love for their country is null and void they live and work for a green card and would choose to never return to India. I pray that they remember to enjoy life in the US with their spouses and children and not allow corporate America to exploit their talents for the almighty dollar and forget the teachings of the Bhagvad Gita....
@ Jimmy....Unless you have any statistics to prove it..please keep it to yourself.
Yes I do have a statistic for you...Thanks for asking. That statistic is that on the average an Indian has one b@ll. how's dat for an appetizer. let me know if you want more. Idiot
@Caligirl0727..I hear you....There is a lot of pull towards a "good life"...Despite of 8 % + growth for a decade or so, a lot of ground needs to be covered....But things are changing and hope things stay the way you mentioned. I do see a trend now a days where people of Chinese and Indian origin are going back to their roots since the growth and awareness have opened up new opportunities back home...
Good. Go back to India. Do everyone a favor. And don't come back.
@ Jimmy..Blabbering is not statistics...And calling me idiot instead of proving your point just proved my point...Thanks to you too
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You want an education, go back to school. I understand 99% of Indians are illiterate. Do you know the meaning of statistics? Google and look it up. Meanwhile try to absorb the law of averages I just threw at you !
@Jimmy Stay off public forums please. Your comments are nonsensical and mind numbingly dumb.
@India: nobody is forcing you to read my comments. Don't like 'em, move on. I know that reality hurts. I am just telling you the way I see it.
@ Alif Bay Pay...You dont even know Alif Bay Pay (basics) about India..But good you atleast have one article on CNN to relieve your frustration and fantasize...You dont get these opportunities now a days so enjoy you one moment
I know a bad egg when i see one.
@ Alif Bay Pay...Dont spend too much time in front of mirror
@Kaps: No, iwon't but i encourage you too.
LIPSTICK ON A PIG: The Story of India
Mirror Mirror on the Wall
Indian Hindus are the slimiest of them all
The way you let the Shadows Play
You'd think my hair was getting Gray.
What's that, you say? A double chin?
Nah, that's the way the light comes in.
Self Denial....is the Hindu play
Maybe catharsis is another way.
@ I have sympathies for your narrow minded thinking... You can find a religious angle even in an economy based discussions (sic)...I have respect for true Muslim teachings so wont stoop to your level and disrespect it.
I am here to broaden your horizons. I have no respect for Indians or hinduism. In my opinion, they are hypocrits. Sorry, but that is the way I see it.
@ Jimmy : You Jimmy are yet to talk about facts on economy...and by talking of religion in an economy based discussion you just proved my point again. You Jimmy are wonderful..:)
@Kaps glad i was able to help. let me know if you need me to help you look in the mirror so you can improve yourself. be glad to oblige. You are a peace loving like gandhi too? Boys at night and spinning during the day?
@ Jimmy...I will come and go per rules and regulations and...I did not come by your invitation and will not need one.. Thanks for the advise..but I dont need it.
I will give you one anyways becuase you will soon be asking what is rules and regs. Lesson #2: You are a statistic in India, a human being in America. How's dat?
@ Jimmy...Again blabbering...so will ignore this comment...First figure out meaning of statistics all right
@Kaps. Pathetic. Your parroting and passiveness is disgraceful.
@Jimmy. Again.. No sense whatsoever.
@Indian: You want me to spell it out for you? Go get an education to comprehend this level of intellectual discussion.
Reading all comments, one thing is clear. There are a lot of frustrated Pakis around. Having nowhere to hide their miseries, they take refuge in India Bashing.
India has had its ups and downs since time immemorial, and will survive. Atleast they mind their own business, and do not meddle in others' affairs.
To all frustrated Pakis posting here, would love to respond in kind to each of your comments, but it may not be worth it for two reasons: one is your basic intelligence level will remain poor for ever, and two, between now and the next India bashing article from CNN, a drone may wipe some of you out!!
Am proud of CNN, it continues its tradition of selective reporting and India bashing articles. While the articles are not untrue, they are steeped in negativity.
India (land of the bankers to terrorists) is geographically, culturally and politically trapped, isolated and encircled. Now that it has been cut off from rest of Asia, the Indians (unfortunately) have nowhere to go but into the ocean. A look at a map conveys the inevitability of this scenario. For India to survive, it has no choice but to have excellent relations with Pakistan. This is a matter of time. The question is whether Pakistan has a big heart to accommodate the very survival of India/Hindu race. Perhaps not this time around.
@ And another one starts puking its fantasy on CNN...India has grown despite of all these ...and it will be a peace preferring country despite of the provocations...Just look at the comments by Pakis and Indians response to understand 'big heart'.
Peaceful? Like Gandhi was?
Sadly Gandhi
Among the various charges disclosed in the book: Gandhi not only slept in beds with young women under the age of 18, but also engaged in a long-term, gay affair with German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder Hermann Kallenbach, for whom India's peace icon at one point left his wife in 1908. As the Wall Street Journal reports:
@kaps: Indians are a bunch of backstabbing vermints who will sell their mothers for a few bucks.
Mahatma Gandhi and his ideology is beyond understanding of narrow minded people. It is not just me , great people like Einstein and Martin Luther King have shown respect towards him ...
"I believe that Gandhi's views were the most enlightened of all the political men in our time.
We should strive to do things in his spirit: not to use violence in fighting for our cause, but by non-participation in anything you believe is evil. – Albert Einstein.
@ Jaceb : Typically people write such comments when they have no points to say and still can not give up....Mother is a respectful word...Wont malign it by using it in response to your useless comment...If you really want a discussion keep it limited to economy.
CowInManger.., I was a tad concerned for the future of Pakistan, but judging from your post, looks like at least some of you have a future after all!! You guys write good fantasy novels!! Tolkien would be proud of you guys.
In America we call people like Gandhi pedophiles. No different than Jerry Sandusky.
@ Jim Black : Its you Jim not America. And it does not matter what you call or think of him. It doesnt change the fact that he was a great peace loving leader. Your misguided opinions based upon rumors or biased opinions will not change the facts.
@Kaps being peaceloving did not give Gandhi to go around banging and molesting boys. A ntion and their leaders need to have some morals and values. that is why India has not and never will amount to much.
@ Jim Black : Again your thoughts are around Gandhi who has nothing to with the topic of the discussion and even for him you have malformed opinion. You may select to ignore India but G-20 doesnt .
@kaps....Why don't you meet me tonight at the xsection of Shastri gali and Nehru ave
@ Jimmy, FYI India literacy rate is 61 %...(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html)...You are still confused between blabbering and statistics
Tomato Tomaato. Hindus...Hinduz.
61% is the percentage of girls that are murdered in India due to being females.
@ Jimmy...I have sympathies for you....You are still blabbering
Don't you have anything intelligent to say? You keep on repeating like a parrot.
I have Jimmy (see my comments above) but will you understand intelligent response ? I asked for facts and all you came up was blabbering / ranting and still doing it.
@Kaps. If you insist. let me know if you want to look at the mirror again. I was just trying to help you out.
Forget the GDP, focus on these murder statistics.
In India, millions of girls are strangled, slowly starved or simply tossed in the trash. Moreover, in India, at least 1,370 girls are aborted every day. As a comparison, some 250 Indians die every day in road accidents. Terrorists killed about six people, on an average, every day in 2009. In the last two decades of economic progress, 10 million girls have died as such in India.
SHAME ON INDIA AND ITS BARBARIC AND MEDIEVAL CULTURE !!!
Indians have killed more human beings (girls particularly) than Al Qaeda and Talibans put together.
@ Jimmy : Why should I forget GDP in an economy based discussions?
Also your facts are twisted (and are copied from a news site from 2011 which does not quote any sources), review the site I have provided before (and it is a USA based site if it helps you). There are a thousands of girls born every day and enough people punished for selective abortions (Here is the link : http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-01/mumbai/32494643_1_abortion-pills-kits-huge-stock) . I like every one condemn these selective abortions.These are not limited to India and are rampant in other nations so you should condemn the other nations using the same yardstick. Shouldn't you? (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/abandoned-aborted-or-left-for-dead-these-are-the-vanishing-girls-of-pakistan/258648/). Dont use a copy paste stuff from a news article just because it is convenient for you.
@ Jimmy : Why should I forget GDP in an economy based discussions?
Also your facts are twisted (and are copied from a news site from 2011 which does not quote any sources), review the site I have provided before (and it is a USA based site if it helps you). There are a thousands of girls born every day and enough people punished for selective abortions (Here is the link : http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-07-01/mumbai/32494643_1_abortion-pills-kits-huge-stock) . I like every one condemn these selective abortions.These are not limited to India and are rampant in other nations so you should condemn the other nations using the same yardstick. Shouldn't you? (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/abandoned-aborted-or-left-for-dead-these-are-the-vanishing-girls-of-pakistan/258648/).
@Kaps. Economic 101 for you......GDP is gone with the blink of an eye. The only growth left in India is the hair between your skinng legs. That is why? Just trying to do you a favor ....bud. Comprende?
@ Jimmy : Again you are blabbering...Its you who do not have anything to say so keep ranting...
@Kaps. man you need to get l@id
INDIA: On a Goat and a Stick:
The problem with India is that is built on a system of cultural and societal values based on Hinduism which is a cult. Nations built on a cult seldom survive. You can only take it so far based on symbolisms of a goat and a stick with a skinny little man aka Bapu Mahatma Gandhi banging boys at night and spinning wheels during daytime. Shame on him. take down all his statues in USA.
Typical of indians...smile at your face and stab in your back. Fake people.
Mahatma Gandhi and his ideology is beyond understanding of narrow minded people. It is not just me , great people like Einstein and Martin Luther King have shown respect towards him ...
"I believe that Gandhi's views were the most enlightened of all the political men in our time.
We should strive to do things in his spirit: not to use violence in fighting for our cause, but by non-participation in anything you believe is evil. – Albert Einstein.
@ Hinduism : It is not just a religion but a way of life. It gives freedom to respect Jesus and Allah and still allows me to follow a religious path of my choice. But again religious freedom is beyond comprehension for narrow minded religious bigots.
In America Gandhi belongs in same category as Jerry Sandusky...child molester.
@ Jim Black :iit does not matter what you call or think of himYour misguided opinions based upon rumors or biased opinions will not change the facts.
FYI Child molester Gandhi's steamy letters and other paraphernalia are going up for auction by one of his victims. Why don't you bid for them and hang it up in the Indian Parliament in New Delhi for generations to see !!!!
@ Give me facts if you want to discuss.. Just your frustrated thoughts or malformed opinion do not count.
@kaps. Google.com. Type in Kallenbach auction of Gandhi Letters etc. Then select a website of your choice. Go to it. Read it. Revert back to me. Enjoy your hero. Anything else i can help you with? All in the name of peace and truth. Down with hypocrisy
@ Jim , Thats all,? You read about letters (and not even thousands of letters) between two friends read a few fragments and interpret about it the way you want ? Gandhi is dead and so is person who wrote these letters and they can not defend themselves now. Owner of these letters will stir controversy to get hefty price for these letters. I am still going through this with an open mind and ready to change my opinion when we have more facts but are you? HuffingtonPost categorically said that there are no proofs about these charges against Gandhi. Here is a link that suggests they were just close friends.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/leisure/2012/06/13/gandhi-papers-up-for-auction/
@Kaps. There is more. Ganghi's d$ldo is on the block. Perhaps it may interest you. Enjoy
What India needs to do:
a) Ensure a more equitable distribution of wealth by evolving schemes to uplift the downtrodden.
b) Limit reservations ONLY to the poorest classes irrespective of religion/caste, and limit those only to entry levels making further promotions to higher positions based purely on merit..
c) STOP all subsidies to HAJ, WAKF board, minority instutions (JAMIA MILIA ISLAMIA, etc.) etc.
d) STOP loot of temple funds (for e.g. ONLY 7% of the funds collected in India's richest temple at Tirupathi are used for the benefit of devotees with the rest going to the govt.), even as Mosque funds are exclusively used for the benefit of Muslims with the state & central govts pouring in tax payers' money too.
e) Implement a common Indian Penal Code (IPC) for all its citizens and NOT allow either Hindu law or Muslim laws to supersede IPC, thereby stopping Indian govts to pay alimony for divorced Muslim women and their kids. Also OUTLAW the practice of allowing upto 4 WIVES for Muslims and limit all benefits to ONLY the first wife & her kids.
f) Enforce a 2 child policy.
g) Abrogate Article 370 for Jammu & Kashmir and stop bankrolling J& K budget to the tune of 90% while all other states get a paltry 10-20% from the central govt. with the remaining generated within the state through taxes.
h) Allow all Indians to settle in J&K and buy property there, just as the J&K people are allowed to do the same in the rest of India.
i) Officially ban BURIAL and take custody of all the burial lands usurped by the Muslim Wakf board and Mosques who are developing those lands for commercial purposes.
j) Seal the borders with Pakistan, and Bangladesh and deport the MILLIONS of Bangladeshi Muslims settled all over India.
k) STOP the inflow of Saudi money into Islamization of India, and limit construction of Mosques (incl.their size) only to those areas where Muslims are in sizable numbers.
l) Ensure that the AZAAN (MUSLIM CALL FOR PRAYER) does not go beyond the Muslim area unlike the way they are blared for miles on end at unearthly hours!
m) To ensure security ban facial veils covering the entire face.
n) Ensure that all efforts at undermining India's security is dealt with firmly without regard to religious feelings.(e.g. while entering Temples, Mosques, Churches etc. to apprehend the culprits).
n) STOP cruel slaughtering of animals such as in the Halal way.
Not only are these steps necessary to limit public spending, they are also needed to ensure that relations between religious groups do not explode causing large scale riots, reversing economic development and endangering India’s security.
SHORT OF THESE THERE IS NO WAY INDIA WILL EVER SHINE.
Yes, there is one way.....Controlled Implosion. It will be a bonanza for the western nations and solve all their economic problems.
Amit your whole Anti-Muslim rant is noted...you are one prejudiced Hindu..Most Hindus are nothing like you thank God. Almost each of your points deal with taking care of some point related to Muslims. I could address each (such as the 4 wives BS...its alowed but less than .01% of Indian Muslims do that – I know of none – one is hard enough at times ha ha), but, I prefer to do that with people in person. Unfortunatley, people like you typically do not want to discuss these topics in a civil manner in person, or are to afraid that they would be recognized for what they are...a bigot. People like you will always keep the flames of intolerance burning... way to go!! Idiot.
Dear Clark (?):
FYI: Mr. Fareed Zakaria's own highy educated Indian father Mr. Rafiq Zakaria had two wives. Just do a google search.
Rest of your comments are not worth commenting. Can you say if any of them are wrong?
@Amit the Bigot (hey that rhymes and is quite appropriate) -> Not to mention the fact that none of these things would truly help aleviate the economic situation or remotely addresses what this article is about (Like your rant about banning the Azaan –> interesting how you do not discuss the Hindu Bhajans blared from atop temples constantly – not that I mind it at all)...you simply used this platform to rant your bigoted non-sense.
Quid pro quo transfer of nuclear technology/tech aid by USA to third world countries such as India needs to be opposed on moral grounds. Billions of people live in that neighborhood and would be at risk from such catastrophes which I am sure the American people would not like to be a party to. We are all well aware that that region is prone to floods, earthquakes, tsunamis, and of course terrorism placing such nuclear installations at tremendous risks. US Congress is urged to reconsider and cancel all the agreements for the transfer of such technologies due “Force Majeure”.
The denuclearization of South Asia (Subcontinent) particularly India is imperative.
Quid pro quo transfer of nuclear technology by USA to third world countries such as India needs to be opposed on moral grounds. Billions of people live in that neighborhood and would be at risk from such catastrophes which I am sure the American people would not like to be a party to. We are all well aware that that region is prone to floods, earthquakes, tsunamis, and of course terrorism placing such nuclear installations at tremendous risks. US Congress is urged to reconsider and cancel all the agreements for the transfer of such technologies due “Force Majeure”.
Samuel, "third world countries" like India wil develop nuclear technology whether US gives it or not, its only a question of speed.
LMAO !!! India would be nothing if we Americans had not helped you out with nukes and missile technology. You can't find your behind with both hands.
@ Jimmy : You are wrong...again you are missing or ignoring facts. America stopped sharing high end technology with India back in 1974...
@kaps: Come again. I give you another chance to get your facts straight and come clean.
@ Jim, What facts you want ?
I hope Congressman Rohrabacher is reading this particulalry the denuclearization of Indiacomments. We will hold him accountable during next elections an watch his campaign doantions very carefully.
Jai hind
Jai gaoo mata ka pishaab
Jai gaoo mata ki tatti
hmm...could you translate that for our non-Hindi speaking audience? Enlighten us....
Simply means India sucks.
Go for it if you like filth and born liars !
i feel very sorry for the indian people that have come to america. they are so different that they will never blend in enough to escape the genocide that is sure to take place after the fall of this country. i would rather die starving amongst my own people.
USA is a wonderful country with very open minded people. It also happens to be one of the most powerful countries in the world. I am sure it will continue to remain same for years to come. Cant imagine how the scenario you said can ever play out.
You got that right. It is Indian Hinduz like Rajat Gupta who give Indians a bad name in america.
@ Jimmy : There were 50 Americans who were convicted along with Rajat Gupta , each following different religion. Why would you isolate him unless you are a religious bigot? In your zest to malign India you forgot that the person who prosecuted him was born in India. CEO of Pepsi and CFO of UTC are India born too.. But again it is an inconvinient truth for you.
Dharun Ravi is also an Indian that instigated the suicide of his roomate at a New Jersey University. Remember him or is your memory selective? Most of convicted alongwith Rajat Gupta are Indians. A big sting operation that has roots going all the way to India. I am sure there are good Indians around as there are good Chinese and Americans but you are taking this out of context to deliberately pick a fight and argue for the sake of arguing.
@ Jimmy : In your biased views against India, you are being selective about India or Indians. You are forgetting Indians who have contributed to the growth and economy in USA. I have a few more names Preet Bharara, Bobby Jindal but no, you need to be selective so that you can somehow prove your point.
@Kaps. Biggest oil spill apread in American history due Bobby's incompetence. Preeth only prosecutes when media puts the evidence in front of him. There should be at least 200 other indians he should be prosecuting. We are watching him. This is not India and Indian style hanky panky will not be tolerated here.
You are nit picking people of Indian origin because it is convenient for you but it has no relevance in an economy based topic. Bobby Jindal had no say on what BP was doing or not doing. You are conveniently bringing up Rajat Gupta because he was born in India but dont want to give credit to Preet who is also born in India. This is prejudiced opinion.
Like most Asian countries, India is yet another country with a delusional sense of self-morality.
Recall the incident of Richard Gere jokingly holds Indian actress Shetty over to peck her and the uproar of "insulting their precious morality". Meanwhile their bollywood movies are full of men dancing and cavorting and groping their female characters. Chasing each other around trees and shrubs.
During Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, these Asian countries scrambled to live up to American moral expectations because until then, they had always thought it was alright that their leaders kept mistresses.
India, like most Asian countries in their self-righteous joy of bashing western morality, has a morality crisis in that they do not have a firm standard of morality except to compare themselves to that of the US. Too many citizens from Asian and Arab countries who have rarely ventured out of their morality nutshell believe that all women in the US walk around the streets like they do in Baywatch.
India is in delusion – both economic and cultural.
@ blessedgeek : A lot of what you have said makes sense. But
1> All kissing and 'amorous' activities are limited to either private moments or for movies which every one realizes are fantasies and unreal. The Richard Gere – Shilpa Shetty incidence took place during a public gathering and that was the reason for uproar.
2> No, No Indian leader is known for keeping mistresses ( atleast not publicly ) and there is not public acceptance for it. a few months back a prominent leader from ruling party (his name is Singhvi) was found copulating with a female and since then has been kicked out of public and political life and into oblivion.
3> I agree about not having firm standard. There is a continuous challenge to find balance between its own culture and western thoughts. But it does not imply that western thoughts are subjected to demeaning and are not accepted. A lot of good things are result of western influx.
4> Perception can form and break... I guess the world has opened up to reality in recent decade due to regular interaction and media coverage both for India and for other countries ( though CNN is known for bias against India to gather eyeballs).
5> Delusion is an incorrect word to describe this. 8 % + growth consistently and 5-6 % growth in a global economy downturn can not be a delusion. Same goes for finding balance between different thoughts and conflicting way of life. Cross roads or turmoil are better words for describing it.
What a bunch of crap. India is a mirage that is dissipating. No two ways around it. Pull your money from the banks before it is too late @Kaps.
@ Jaceb : Thanks , People like you said the same thing about USA back in 2008 and also when USSR disintegrated. Look where they are today. India is growing at 5 – 6 % which is higher than 80 % or the world and despite of wishful thinking by some people like you, it will grow.
@Kaps you are not getting it bro. India needs 25% growth just to keep poverty at current level. 5% will lead to an implosion of India. Just to clarify for you, implosion is defined as a breakup of India along the same lines as USSR. Kapiche?
@ Jaceb : Not going to happen just because your wishful thniking says so. Just dont cook up data to defend yourself. Show me the reasoning or facts justifying 25 % GDP and blah blah blah...
@Kaps...some people need to experience to get "IT". You are one of them. See you in Kerala Land or Naga Land or Tamilistan.
@ Jaceb : Frustrated because its not happening ...Arent you ?... It will not happen...India is stronger than you think. There are separatists in EVERY country check the world map...I hope every one stays united and hope for world peace.
@Kaps. Peace is good and welcome till when those preaching it like your leader Gandhi starts banging underage boys at night and spinning wheels at night. At that point using peace to commit crimes is repulsive. We call such people pedophiles. I hope you are not condoning such acts. Please clarify your position.
I am glad you raised topics of social interest in an economic discussion. As you are well aware there is a deep rot in Indian society due to erosion of values.
@ Jaceb : I condemn any crime against anyone as much as you do. All I am saying Gandhi was a great leader with great qualities. We dont have to agree with him on everything but that does not mean we need to malign him based upon malformed opinion. Are there any sites that support your point of view about him. I would like to know.
Thank you for asking. All you have to do is google. Pick the site of your choice. In case you did not know an auction is coming up of Gandhi's steamy letters and paraphernalia. Thought I would let you know in case you wanted to bid on stuff of your hero.
Jaceb : I will go through this with an open mind and will be ready to change my opinion about Gandhi if facts support it. Just so that you know Gandhi is not my hero ( I respect him for bringing peace and freedom to the nation but disagree with his ideology at many points) and I would not be interested in auction. But thanks for letting me know.
BlessedGeek, ironically, by mentioning the Clinton Lewinsky scandal, you cite an example of western hypocrisy at its peak. Infidelity seems ok for the common man, but when Clinton did it, suddenly everyone was up in arms. In India, politicians are known to have affairs and it is public knowledge in most cases, but nobody cares two hoots.
Richard Gere and Shetty: actually noone I knew of bothered about it a wee bit, except the media that is.
"Too many citizens from Asian and Arab countries believe that all women in US walk like they do in Baywatch".
When folks from here, fed with selective reporting from CNN, jump to all sorts of conclusions about India, whats wrong in Asians forming similar conclusions about US? Why does that offend you so much?
They seem to be doing fine over here in America. More of them work for American Express and IBM than American's do. Want to know why there are no jobs here? Look no further than imported Indian's.
in India a great deal of time and energy must be devoted to raping, burning, and killing females including the unborn (this work is done by other females like mothers-in-law as well as males). Until India can redue the amount of energy and time that goes into destroying females, the economy will continue to suffer.
In America, a great deal of time and energy must be spent in eating someone's face (Eugene), killing their own children (Casey) etc. Until people stop wasting their energy on such activities, economic problems of America will not solve.
The bottom line is that India has misfired on two fronts.
First, there was too much dependence on GDP . That has disappeared. It was driven by US war expenditures in Afghanistan. Gone.
Second, there was false Indian pride built on fighting neighbors 10 times smaller. Then filling the school books with made up battle stories to brainwash the Indian kids. Obviously, there was no mention of China bashing. Well, the Talibans with the help of local Indian support took that away. Gone.
Now, the Indians have to reinvent themselves. They need to decide what they are....India or Bharat or Hindustan. they can't be all. They have to do some soul searching. If they come out of it they will need to deal with poverty, minorities and caste system, if they can't then probably Khalistan, Tamil Land etc.
Dear brother,
Stop worrying about breaking India into smaller pieces, just wait & see when Pakistan is further broken down into 4 lands [viz., boluch, sindh, pushtun, punjab]. India, as any other country has lots of issues, but we are not at self-denial. We know we have millions of issues to work on, & we will. We don't want any outsider to worry & work on them. So please worry about your own land & AFTER & IF you emerge as a nation that has democracy 10th the size of what we have in India, come & talk filthy about us.
This is about India not Pakistan. I understand that you will always live in the shadow of Pakistan but this article and discussion is about India. So stay to point. Since we Americans ar gving you aid, yes we will comment on the affairs in India especially when an article is published on CNN. We want a return on our investment. Now get to work and start fixing the problems in India before it implodes.
Brother Jimmy? is it?
Now hear me out clearly, STOP WORRYING AOBUT INDIA, we are not tkaing any money from US or any other country – like your country. If we were, we would have fought the so-called was along side pakistan, does it make sense? But I am sure it is hard for you to understand, since pakistan has survived on khairaat all these years, & continues to do so. Rememeber the news few days about US stopping the aid to pakistan? Stop wasting your time in trying to degrade a great nation. If you have extra time, start working on issues in pakistan & come back after showing some positive results.
@snehal: Let me make one thing very clear. Pakistan and US have been partners and allies longer than we have known you. So don't try to drive a wedge. Now, if your referring to me as an American then let me make it clear to you that American taxpayers will not tolerate wasting their tax dollars on India any more.......money...food....technology....jobs...businesss...security... We have priorities at home. What have you done for us in Afghanistan? Nil...zero. You can't even stand up to Chinese without help. So don't give us crap about how great your country is. It is a stinking sh$thole. Who are you kidding.
Now if you are referring to me as a Pakistani then let me tell you that poverty in your country is dragging the neighbors down. Fix your problems quickly or we will fix it it for you. And while you are doing so stop the genocide in Kashmir, stop killing the girls in your country, stop massacring the Bangladeshis, stop financing terrorism in the region, stop meddling in the affairs of other countries etc. now go eat some steaks and chill and revert back to me.
@ Jimmy : Dont forget your partner was sheltering the # 1 wanted men...But again you will conveniently forget this fact ...:)
@Kaps. We have not forgotten that our newly found "friend of convenience" India was a communist ally fighting against us during the cold war. We never forget! don't you worry. Now git to work and take care of poverty in India. We need a return on our investments in India. We are not like British....we are like a bad rash...you can never get rid of us.
@ Jimmy : Again conveniently glossing over the facts
@ Kaps : Revert back to me when you have something intelligent to say. I will be glad to help you out. You seem like a decent person though a tad bit misguided. Cheers.
@ Jimmy : I am here for a healthy debate , I too invite you for an intelligent conversation and this is what I said in the first place. Misguided is a word that can be used by anyone for anyone. I would love to have facts and figures but just exchange of mere opinions or nasty remarks will not add any value.
About India, it was part of NAM (Non Alignment Movement) and despite of ample pressure refused to be in the bracket of China and USSR in terms on national governance. I dislike it as much as you do.
ubbay Kaps...tu chutiah hay kia. kutte
Well articulated.
Before interfering in the affairs of its neighbors, India should focus on its problems at home. A broken society where 5% of the population live like kings while 60% are starving. Broken, broken country, rife with hatred everywhere. I think the only solution will be for it to break into Tamil country, Bengali country, etc.
Just because your country is at the verge of getting dissolve, you wish the same for your neighbors? Don't worry, this unwishful thinking of yours will never get materialized. Please clean your won laundry first.
We send our dirty clothes to dhobi ghat in the neighbor,ramo brings that back to us.
Agreed.
Everytime I say something stupid, I go home and put on some pink undies and giggle like a little girl.
Dont tell my mullah or imam.
Once i tried to wrap dhoti around my waist but you know i forgot to wear!!!!!!!!!!! hahaha .by the way who invented dhoti? i want to salute him. its a wonderful dress,"saaf chuptey bhi nahi samney atey bhi nahi,khoob pardah hey key chilman se lage baithey hain"
Your comments reflects the feelings of most Indians as well. We had our chances we blew it. Three strikes and you are out in baseball lingo. In cricket terms we were clean bowled by a reverse swing.
The problem is that talking about India's prblems.growth etc misses the point. Different parts of India perform better or worse than the statistics for India. All the Southern States have achieved high literacy,growth and health care. Southern States have less communal issues too. Hence, every negative story about India is only partly true.
We have been saying all along that a principle of economics applicable in case of India is that the value of parts is greater than the whole. In other words, an imploded India has more value for its people and western countries. We are glad you agree with this proposition, gita.
@ UNN : Nope not going to happen.. But keep dreaming.
But the fact remains that Kanyakumari is as Indian as Kashmir – & will remain so, till eternity.
We hope so @Kaps and @snehal but it won't do the Indian people or western nations any good. Plus the momentum is not in India's favor, unfortunately. But good luck. Make sure you have some cash tucked under the mattress in case you have to take a boat to Pakistan from kanyakumari to escape.
Touche'. The first concept IIT needs to teach Indian MBA students is that managerially Indian is too big too govern and to alleviate poverty. For maximization of value for people, another paradigm has to emerge and it is not status quo. I dare say the "I" word is the only solution at the risk of alienating the Indians on this forum. But I must agree with the vision of @krm1007 enunciated in this forum.
brother Sanchez
Why would you worry about India so much? As for escaping, they were your forefathers who ran away – to built another country, which is now ready to be divided in atleast 4 pieces. I wouldnt ask you to come to India. Please stay where you are, there was a reason why pakistan was formed – for people like you. The ones who cannot stay united in India as a family, cant stay there & are not welcome. We are proud of our Indian muslims.
TIGER THAT IS ACTUALLY AN ELEPHANT
Investors have been disappointed by India's slowing growth, and even more sheen came off last week courtesy of S&P's downgrade. Panelists at this Global Conference session on India agreed that the move was justified by the macro picture.
India's coalition politics may slow reforms, said Apollo's Sanjay Patel, especially since many poor voters are not educated. "Tiger is the wrong word," he said, arguing that a lumbering elephant is a better analogy. Growth will be constrained by the complexities of its democracy.
Lack of access to education – and the quality of education – is still an issue that impacts India's workforce.
Education is just one aspect of social and physical infrastructure that is inadequate to India's population and growth trajectory. A lack of logistics keeps food prices high, and there is significant difficulty in moving goods. China is addressing infrastructure more effectively, Patel said.
Folks, Experimental democracy is DOA (Dead On Arrival) in India. It is has never worked in large populated countries. Particularly those with mostly illiterate populace such as India. Too big to manage, minorities such as muslims, sikhs, christians get disenfranchised etc. India will need to go back to its socialist/communist roots. Maybe splitting it up into smaller pieces (circa USSR) is an alternate scenario. CIA is probably running some models to deal with the potential implosion.
Oh and toss in a small but growing communist guerrilla movement in nearly half of the country. Not a place I'd do any heavy investing in until political corruption got under at least reasonable control.
indian women stay awake every night dreaming of what it'd be like to be with a real man. well ladies if you want to be with a real man come to pak, and we will show you what real man look like
How shallow Abdul...you could not focus on real issues and I would not expect you to – by the way I am Muslim from India and I can defeat you physically any day as well as intellectualy. Vase Allah mehrbaan toh gadha pehlwaan ha ha...agar Allah tere saath mehrbaan ho toh...
Salam Walaykum Mere Pakistani Bhaiyo
WOW look at the sheer jelousy of my Muslim brothers of Pakistan...They have been their for 50+ years and can not compete with India on ANY issue? I mean to say I like Nihari and paya too but damn...kuch kar zindagi main yaar!! I mean, India has its problems...but I would hate to be in a country where Muslims kill Muslims...afsos...as I said before Muslims are more in number and better off in India (by and large) than most Pakis...All Pakistan has produced is great Qawwalis and great food...oh ya and a bunch of jelous Pakistanis...go compare your country to Afghanistan or Thailand...chale hain India sai Muqabla karne...
Allah Hafiz
Thanks for those facts dear Clark(?).
Gando ki aulad. dullay
India is the number one weapon importer in the world. It spent billions of dollars to purchase marine carriers and develop missles that can hit China. It can't be that poor, can it?
Chup kar bharway
Dear Clark (?):
YOU SAID: "4 wives BS...its alowed but less than .01% of Indian Muslims do that – I know of none – one is hard enough at times ha ha"
FYI: Mr. Fareed Zakaria's own highy educated Indian father Mr. Rafiq Zakaria had two wives. Just do a google search.
Rest of your comments are not worth commenting. Can you say if any of them are wrong?
Everything is innacurate which you mentioned...I do not care if his father had 4 wives or not....the fact is it is less than 0.01% of the population if Fareed's father is among that .01% fine..more power to him...but the fact remains look it up...why don't you focus on this article rather than crying about these stupid issues...your bigotry is noted.
Agreed. This article is about economy and related discussion should stay that way.
By the way AMIT THE BIGOT.....the feeling is mutual...your comments do not warrent anyones time or response as you obviously are dealing with racism issues...I am sorry for you and hope your mentality eventually dies a natural death in India, as do you.
"India has more mobile phones than toilets..." that speaks VOLUMNS. Maybe they should give away free sterilizations with every mobile phone purchase....
India is the ONLY country in the world paying its MUSLIM citizens for the trip to Mecca & Medina. A poor country like India surely can't afford that.
NOT even Muslim PAKISTAN does that!
Why wouldn't India do the same to CHRISTIANS to visit Bethlehem, or Hindus in the rest of the country to visit Kasi, or Sikhs to visit the Golden Temple at Amritsar.
Even as a proud India is collapsing under the weight of corruption & inefficiency, its politicians continue to shamelessly pillage a plundered nation. Through stealing & neglect, they have destroyed the infrastructure for critically needed water, electricity, food distribution, roads, coal, natural gas. 5.3% growth is highly commendable as it is despite the rapacious leadership that every day plumbs new lows of human exploitation and criminal behavior. The good people of India deserve better than the thieves and criminals they unfortunately continue to elect to run their great nation.
Some people here seem to think that my comments on SUBSIDIES, DOLE, etc. favoring one community (MUSLIMS) in particular who number unofficially 240 MILLION does not make economic sense!!!
Likewise the Indian federal govt. GIFTING 90% of the annual funds for the Muslim majority state of Jammu & Kashmir (MOST of which is spent in the Muslim majority Kashmir, while neglecting the Hindu majority Jammu and Buddhist majority Ladakh regions) also does NOT make economic sense for these people.
Inspite of all the recent advances the fact remains that India is one of the poorest countries in the world and surely it cannot afford such largesse.
I'd like to visit India someday. Can anyone recommend any good steakhouses over there?
Ganesh's BBQ Pit, Viceroy Ave, New Delhi, behind Gita's Den (wink wink). Get a porterhouse done Bangaloree style with Corriander Chutnee.
Tell 'em Jimbo sent you.
@ Jim, Be specific. What facts you need?
Are you a she male?
When one looks at the HUGE, growing populations of India, Pakistan and China (just to name a few) do we genuinely think the Earth can continue to support any quality of life for much longer into the future?
Yes, some countries have a shrinking population, but it's nowhere near enough to make up for the growth of others.
The one topic so few are willing to discuss is...how to control global population growth
Kauwa challa hans ki chaal – aur apni chaal bhi bhool gya. Indians were better off with their own cutlure and values, western values are a not suiting them. Call it democracy, capitalism, communism etc. they have all empowered the corrupt and already powerful. The loss of compassion, self discipline and consideration of others was scoffed-off in the early 19th century in favor of wealth, white women and fancy machines. When Brits conspired to do away with these with the help of priveleged class they brought droves of white women, bundles of money and latest automobile models to woo the wealthy and powerful. These corrupt Indians did to preserve their positions and power in the upcoming Westernization to follow – that is what we see today.
Revelations have it that US Administration in cahoot with Indian government have been targeting people including American Citizens to be assasinated abroad .This development began after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and has been sanctioned and escalated by bipartisan executive and legislative actions. We don't know how many hundreds of innocent civilians have been killed in these attacks, each one approved by the highest authorities in Washington. The leg work was done by Indians regionally. The Taliban attack in Mumbai, was partly in response to such involvement by Indians.
The outpouring of dislike for Indians is so evident in this forum. We have never witnessed such an outpouring of disrespect of a much touted (now fallen from grace) third world India.
hindus are dullas ...bondees
Indians are untrustworthy and crime proned. Indian doctors in USA are carrying out medical insurance fraud (medicare, medicaid)-overbilling/setting up shell companies for billing purposes, indiscriminately prescribing opioids drugs that are being openly sold by teenagers in high schools causing over dose and addiction problems. An Indian student just got convicted and sentenced in New Jersey for instigating the suicide of his room mate. The Indian ambassador's daughter was charged in new york for sending threatening emails to school. Another ambassador had his indian maid imprisoned at home like a slave and did not pay her for years. We all know of the indian who was on the board of directors of major american companies and was indulging in insider trading with another indian/eastern buddy and selling confidential information.
I have read with interest the thesis presented in this forum that "small is beautiful". Empowering subjugated minorities in India by splitting it into smaller states would trigger uber economic demand for western nations who have given so much financial and technology aid to India with no return to show for the investment. I concur with this approach and with economic background find the premise to be on solid footing. Central Asian States (CAS) are a case in point on this successful approach. We need to understand that India has an unmanageable large population mired in poverty and we are spinning our wheels trying to feed it. It is also too big of a geographical unit to govern. Again, we saw how a few teenage talibans were able to invade it with a few BB guns. Even the CIA/Mossad were not able to stop it.
The Aghori or Aghouri is a Hindu cult that is considered to have split off from the Kapalika order in the fourteenth century AD. They have cannibalistic rituals. The streets of northern Indian cities are littered with followers of this cult carrying a kapala, which is a cup made from a skull! These bizarre people will eat anything from rotten food to animal faeces. In order to achieve the highest citadel of enlightenment, the Aghori will perform horrendously crude rituals. The finality of their rituals is attained from eating the decaying flesh of a human.
So much for medical research.
Close these Ashrams down in California.
Bizarre child-burying Hindu ceremony in India
CNN:
Indian police have charged 80 people for burying children alive in an ancient Hindu ceremony known as "the festival of pits."
The ceremony, in which children - some less than a year old - are buried alive briefly and then dug up, happened on Monday in southern Tamil Nadu state, The Asian Age reported on Thursday.
Every two years, parents who have vowed to bury their first-born if they are blessed with a child, take part in the Kuzhimattru Thiru Vizha ceremony.
The children are drugged to make them unconscious and placed in shallow "graves" in temple courtyards.
The pits are covered with leaves and dirt and the children are pulled out after Hindu priests chant a brief prayer - lasting up to a minute.
In the news:
Children buried alive in Hindu ritual
NO INDIANS IN MY BACKYARD, PLEASE !!!
Bizarre Health Rituals in India Show Dangerous Side of Tradition
In what has got to be on of the most vile and disturbing things ever put to print, a man in eastern India was arrested for his unconventional and downright insane method of curing the common cold in children.
50-year old Jamun Yadav, who considers himself to be a demigod of the Hindu faith, believes he can channel and transfer divine energy through his feet, which has lead to him standing on the necks and throats of young children suffering from your average run-of-the-mill cold.
When asked about them, the guru claimed that he was merely speaking for God, and as such needs no other defense.
It serves as a grim reminder of the dangerous religious traditions observed by many Hindus in India, many of which are done so for the health of their children. One such ritual involves throwing infants off of a fifty foot tower, a tradition thought to bring good health and luck to the child throughout his or her life.
The children are tossed from the tower onto a tightly stretched sheet below, where they are then handed to their mothers. This bizarre and dangerous ritual has been practiced for 500 years
Absolutely sick and beyond primitive
HONOR KILLINGS IN INDIA
To be young and in love has proved fatal for many young girls and boys in parts of north India as an intolerant and bigoted society refuses to accept any violation of its rigid code of decorum, especially when it comes to women. The two teenage girls who were shot dead last week by a cousin in Noida for daring to run away to meet their boyfriends are the latest victims of honour killings, a euphemism for doing away with anyone seen as spoiling the family's reputation. Many such killings are happening with regularity in Punjab, Haryana and western Uttar Pradesh. These are socially sanctioned by caste panchayats and carried out by mobs with the connivance of family members.
Romeo and Juliet would not have survived in India.
Why you little ignoramus, you should READ Romeo and Juliet before talking.
India: The New Vietnam
USA has India by the b@lls after many decades, to do its biding. It will be the new battleground for the fight of ideologies. Giddyyy Uuup!
indians are gaandoos
As India subsides to wallow in the Quota Corruption Raj, the question is, did India ever get out of it? India might have been a Greek Illusion: Sir M. Vishweshwaraya resigned as Diwan (Prime Minister) of the Mysore Kingdom when "reservations" were introduced. Yet, no Indian has done more to uplift the backward in Indian History. Instead of using the pyramid to raise India through the already empowered as the enlightened Maharajas and British were doing, The anthropoid democratic banana republic of India turned the pyramid upside down. All Governance today is unaccountable power sans rule of law. We are in the era of Prince John and the Sheriff of Nottingham with far superior arms and technology to assist them in their loot and rapine.
GlaxoSmithKline to pay $3bn in US drug fraud scandal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18684350
Incredible India has become Toxic in a matter of few months. Foreign companies are pulling out of India. They have had it.
The future of India is in Cricket spot fixing and gambling. That is how they are financing terrorism these days and escaping the american radar.
The bottom line is that India could not shed its communist skin and put on the democratic mask. All experimentation has failed. Unfortunately 900 million people will always live in poverty and get worse. Therein lies the dilemma for India. At some point these people will want independence to better themselves.An Indian Spring is in the offing. It will come fast and furious.
We continue to propagate the thesis presented in this forum that "small is beautiful". Empowering subjugated minorities in India by splitting it into smaller states would trigger uber economic demand for western nations who have given so much financial and technology aid to India with no return to show for the investment. Central Asian States (CAS) are a case in point on this successful approach. We need to understand that India has an unmanageable large population mired in poverty and we are spinning our wheels trying to feed it. It is also too big of a geographical unit to govern. Again, we saw how a few teenage talibans were able to invade it with a few BB guns riding a dinghy. Even the CIA/Mossad were unable to predict and counter it.
You have hit the nail right on its head and cut to the chase. USA needs to get close to India, take it into confidence and enable this to happen in a controlled manner before it gets out of hands and creates a problem for its neighbors. That is the plan. Trying to save face for India. Please twitter suggested new names for these states. We will establish pages for them on facebook also. Stay tuned.
Stupid!, well you should read the stoopid comments by 100% piece of crap.
Kerala Land. Tamilistan. Republic of Punjab. Islamic Republic of Kashmir. Mughalistan
Another one two punch to Indian psyche: Revelations have it that Pakistan – USA are on the verge of finalizing their strategic partnership. By virtue of this, Pakistan's role as the regional military power with power projection capabilities in Middle East, Central Asia, Europe gateway and, of course, South Western Asia will be officially confirmed. The problem is that will cost India somewhere in the vicinity of 4% to 5% of their GDP and will need to look eastwards towards Bangladesh and Nepal as their business partners. Unless of course, they decide to normalize relations with Pakistan and resolve outstanding issues such as Kashmir.
I have seen some twitters on this matter. Details are still trickling in.
This guy who calls himself 100% piece of crap is so funny.
We should all laugh at him to show him what we think of him.
Indians today dont know what Pakistan is.Just see it as some terrorist cesspool.You are inconsequential for us.
What does US and India have in common???? Jerry Sandusky and Mahatma Gandhi....Both are defined as Pedophiles. One using Sports and the other in Politics to prey on young boys.
This Gandhi guy....isn't he the skinny one walking with a stick half naked preying on boys in the name of peace ?
Yes, dat's the one banging 2 boys at a time.
I hate arabs, muslims for being haters and warmongers.
You are so right on El.
Lets deport them all.
I sound really crass when I show the world how bad muslims are.
To tell you the truth, I also hate arabs and muslims in general.
On behalf of all Indian Hindus, I apologize for the moronic and hateful comments being posted by my fellow Indians. I am ashamed of it. It reflects the deep rot that exists in our decadent Indian society. What is particularly distasteful is the cloning of IDs for lack of guts to come out in the open.
I am actually a hindu using someone else's name.
i am not really an Indian but like 100% piece of crap, I am a muslim following the teaching of Quran.
I am a peace loving hindu indian banging underage kids like my leader mahatma gandhi under the garb of politics. It is legal in India. In USA you may call them pedophiles. in India we call them pitaji
I have to agree with krm1007 on the concept of improving the quality of life for all Indians. The only way possible is to slice and dice India up into more manageable pieces that will alleviate poverty in the country. All other attempts have failed, unfortunately.
I hate Indians because my mother (may Allah bless her soul) was Indian.
India must cease financing the terrorists and address the Kashmir genocide issue (among others such as Tamils, Maoists etc.) in order for peace to prevail in south asia
Deep down, I wish I was Indian.
Unlike muslims like me, Indians are good looking, intelligent, great business men and women, great music, great movies.
That may all be well and good ...fake... but the stench emanating from Indians is overwhelming.
So the only way to peace in Afghanistan is dismantling the terrorist network and financing emanating from India, cutting it up into smaller nations along the lines of communist USSR and let smaller and more gentle and economically dynamic states emerge, stopping the genocide in Kashmir of muslim children/women, subjugation of minorities, prosecution of Christians and Muslims. Furthermore the ridiculously large and ineffective Indian army needs to be dismantled and put to use in assisting the poverty stricken masses and not sitting in trenches hiding from Talibans.
Psst Psst I am really and islamist with a small pike.
Let us send the indian army to haiti to clean the place up.
One has to acknowledge that looking at GDP is not going to solve India's problem. India has to look inwards and develop new measures for gaging progress....poverty alleviation statistic should be a good start.
My BMF has a tumour.
I am going to keep saying hateful, mean, nasty, ungodly, in humane things because I can.
Could not agree with you more.
El Jefe...you are right on the money. Mucha gracia amigos
Today is an historic day ! It is a gesture of utmost magnanimity and generosity by Pakistan to continue to enable our American and NATO friends and allies to achieve common goals by offering their national resources and standing with them shoulder to shoulder. They are our partners and we share a unified vision in addressing the challenges facing the world.
The words of apology from United States and reciprocated by Pakistan are soothing to the families of those who died. For that Pakistan is thankful. It shows much maturity on part of Americans and Pakistanis alike. Let us move forward together in tackling the problems facing the world today, in particular terrorism and poverty, that are close to the hearts of both peoples.
Together we shall prevail, as we have done in the past while overcoming insurmountable odds. After all, the Americans and Pakistanis share common values and history in the struggle for their Independence and their fight for survival.
God Speed. "In God We Trust".
PAKISTAN !!!!
THANK YOU …. THANK YOU…. THANK YOU!!!!
FOR MAKING USA SAFE FOR MAKING THE WORLD SAFE>>>>>>>>>>>>
Since Sep 11, 2001, over 200,000 Pakistani civilians, armed forces personnel have either sacrificed their lives or wounded; more than 3.5 million have been displaced while the country has lost over
US $ 1 Trillion due to terrorism.
Despite sacrifices, Pakistan was still engaged in 'the war for world peace”.
No other country has even come close to selflessly sacrificing so much.
Pakistan, no one can ever repay you enough for your contributions.
I have big time tumour. I have serious personality dfficulties. Aside from that I am a total idiot with a small pike.
Wassup with size? jou like a big one? Come to papi to taste a hispanic sausage.
Kudos to Pakistan
Let us move forward together, Partner.
Today, Pakistan and India should also resolve to move forward together in solving all the issues facing the two countries in an expeditious manner. If nothing else, in the best interests of the two peoples and for the sake of alleviating poverty amongst them. Life is too short and much is to be done. Let us endeavor to leave behind a heritage for our new generations that they will be proud of. Let us together aim to leave behind a legacy of peace, progress and prosperity that we so desperately need. Together we can prevail.
Sir, never trust an Indian. You seem like a broad minded person. But please be aware.
india's a dump their goverment and scientist need to focuss on agriculture and feed their people, leave technology and manufacturing to the west. go back to wearing turbins and playing snake charms you were a better country than.
We the vedic Aryans taught you math and medicine,English itself is sanskritic in nature and we have a civilisation of over 8000 years when european neanderthals were cannibalising their play mates and beating each other with clubs.We see you as a lower caste shudra.You better pay of the loans to the chinese before they decide to tear the paper.suggest you go back to the caves you came from along with the bedouin Pakis.
Get your backpack ready, the little bus is coming around the corner.
Well said! Very well said!! The future is India's and it will be again the world's leading economy as it has been from the beginning of time to about 300 hundred years ago when the Brits came in. In the meantime, every story, every incident will be extrapolated by the haters, ignoring the logs in their eyes, and hating for the love of hating those that have a mere splinter in theirs!
A bunch of commies carpetbaggers...hinduz. Taliban taught how cowardly Indians are. Shame on you Indians.
The clearest example of world wide economic leveling imaginable. China hackers are so much better than India!
Pakistani trolls keep talking to themselves.Lol
you wanna dace with me, amigo?
Slogan of India – Incredible India
slogan of Pakistan – Gateway to heaven
india sinking
Ah America ... Land of Hate, Hate and Hate! You cannot let any story pass without spewing vitriol and hatred. Why is it that every story is followed by so much hate? India is the land of Buddha, Krishna, Rama, Gandhi and Mother Teressa. It is the spiritual center of the world, the country that never invaded another and has given so much wisdom, science and culture to the world. How pathetic are you America, even on the 4th of july, spewing hatred for all? These are clear signs that your days are over and the empire is decaying from within.
india is the land of cow dung
The future is India's and it will be again the world's leading economy as it has been from the beginning of time to about 300 hundred years ago when the Brits came in. In the meantime, every story, every incident will be extrapolated by the haters, ignoring the logs in their eyes, and hating for the love of hating those that have a mere splinter in theirs!
india had its chance and blew it. it is a has been. Next
The author overlooks ( and so do many other) the fact that, for country that has been independent for only 60 years. During this time, India has been able to power forward – democracy intact as the 11th largest economy in the world. If you look at 1947 as ground zero (from an economic point of view), factor in the 3 wars (China 1962, Pakistan 1967, Pakistan 1971), and, the 3 million Bangla Desh refugees in 1972 – without help from any other country ! This is economic progress.. albeit not on par with world standards.. but hey, not bad for only 60 years of independence, and free, thinking.
india is a heap of cow manure
Deport all Indians from US and Europe. They are termites.
Europeans dont deport undesirables .They wait till there is sufficient number of them and deal with them nazi-oven style
Higgs Boson: The Indian Connection Beyond S.N. Bose
http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=767723
As the world turn.
daro mat...hum log yahan he..Bharat age barega jaroor barega.....dar ke age jeet he
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Your article is poorly written because you do not have histroic facts right. First, Manmohan Singh was not the "father of economic reforms" in India. He was chosen to be Finance Minister by the Prime Minister Narasimha Rao, whose decision it was to open up Indian economy. India was facing a balance-of-payments crisis at that time.
Secondly, you fail to recognize the fact that democracies are generally delibarative and slow. India is slowly emerging to be a true Global player. We need to recognize the "good" instead of constantly lamenting the "bad".
Nirbhaya, the daughter of India has become the symbol of years and years of victimization of women in India. I don’t think Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru and countless other freedom fighters fought for this state of Bharat MA.
Women are being victimized at every stage of their life. Everyone is well aware of abortion of female fetus. Even though there is ban against sonogram since there is no basic for the law and the thought of the girl as a burden on the family the abortions are still widespread. They are being victimized at later stages of their lives by withholding their education, inheritances and even health. The Indian women sometimes are not even given decent end of life options. The female soul deserves equal love, equal respect and equal rights in health, inheritance and education. It should be tracked and reported.
In my humble opinion there are two faces to the problem. On one side she has next to no support at home to thrive (maybe some families do but it Is next to nothing in a population of a billion) and on the other side when she steps out of the home the law is not held up to support her rights.
Our country’s leadership has become an item number. They are a shame. We need to revamp law and order. We need to throw every so called leader into jail who has even been suspected of broken the law of any kind.
We need a revolution.
We need a revolution in every woman, man and child of Indian origin to bring back Mahaan Bharat by bringing back the respect for Bharat MA.
Call for a revolution on 26th January 2013 – 30th January 2013
Join all hands, call for meetings, non- violence, non-cooperation movement, Satyagraha, remember Mahatma’s words
Spread the Word
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