Editor’s note: Brad Glosserman is executive director of Pacific Forum CSIS, a Honolulu-based think tank. The views expressed are solely those of the author.
By Brad Glosserman, Special to CNN
Frequently dismissed as a talk shop, the ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) is in fact one of the key tests of the U.S. commitment to “rebalance” to Asia. The 27-member security forum may be best known for its after-dinner entertainment – most famously then-U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell’s schmaltzy country and western duet with Japanese counterpart Foreign Minister Makiko Tanaka – but the readiness of America’s most senior diplomats to travel halfway round the globe to attend the meet is seen as a critical indicator of Washington’s readiness to engage the world’s most dynamic region on its own terms.
Fortunately, the ARF has begun to assume a significance commensurate with its status as the Asia-Pacific’s only institutionalized security forum. Two years ago, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told delegates that the United States had a stake in freedom of navigation in the region, called for the peaceful resolution of territorial disputes that dot the South China Sea, and offered U.S. services as a mediator. That statement infuriated Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, who left the meeting and returned to imperiously point out that “China is a big country…and other countries are small countries and that is just a fact.” Clinton’s speech, and U.S. foreign policy more generally, was dismissed most charitably as a distraction – and more ominously as dangerous interference – in regional affairs. (The idea that the U.S. was responding to regional entreaties is considered laughable.)
Then, and since, Chinese officials and analysts have argued that U.S. policy risks a confrontation between Beijing and Washington either by encouraging U.S. surrogates (read: Vietnam and the Philippines) to be more assertive in their claims, or by forcing regional states to choose between the two countries and risking a new Cold War in the region.
The tension between the two countries is the lead story at this year’s ARF, which convened in Phnom Penh last weekend. There, ASEAN (the Association of Southeast Asian Nations, the group that chairs the ARF) was unable to reach consensus and issue a joint declaration for the first time in its 43-year history.
The cause of the disagreement? How to refer to China and the territorial disputes in maritime areas. There were behind-the-scenes reports of angry meetings, punctuated by yelling, and the refusal of the chair, Cambodia, to allow language critical of China. Those same reports highlight the considerable economic assistance that Beijing provides Cambodia.
To be fair, ASEAN is working with China to develop a code of conduct to govern those disputes. But that has been in the works for over a decade, and progress is bound to be halting. While rules of the road make sense to keep incidents from escalating to armed conflict, Beijing wants to keep ASEAN (and the ARF) sidelined, preferring to negotiate bilaterally with rival claimants where its size can make a difference. Anything that alters that equation, such as “multilateralizing” disputes or bringing in the United States, is anathema to Beijing.
China characterizes U.S. involvement in the South China Seas disputes – or any other regional problem in which it has a stake – as part of a strategy to contain China. The illogic of that claim, given tens of billions of dollars of U.S. investment and hundreds of billions of U.S. trade, doesn’t register.
American engagement is designed to counter a narrative of U.S. decline in the Asia Pacific. The U.S. strategy to “rebalance” to the region is based on Asia’s increasing relevance to the future of the United States and America’s determination to play its historical regional role as well. Little appreciated is the breadth of the strategy. U.S. engagement is seen as primarily military. In reality, “rebalancing” is first and foremost about “forward deployed diplomacy,” followed closely by economic and cultural engagement. The military dimension is important, but it’s simply the final pillar.
High-level U.S. attendance at the ARF is an unmistakable signal that Washington “gets” Asian concerns. Secretary Clinton’s readiness to join a discussion that may not yield a specific deliverable shows an understanding of, and respect for, regional institutions and priorities. Of course, Washington must do more than just show up – it must provide both leadership and support for regional initiatives. The push for the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a core component of this strategy, as is outreach to Burma and the readiness to respond to changes there. Modernization of U.S. alliances and the embrace of new partners such as Singapore and Vietnam – along with new missions, particularly humanitarian assistance and disaster relief – are also key elements of this approach.
Ultimately, these policies aid both the United States and Asia, enriching the lives of Asians and Americans alike. It’s those concerns that drive U.S. policy – not fear of China.
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It's not no, fear of China. But, it's no fear of China.
Sxl slavery is possible primarily because slavery itself still exists in the Muslim world. Saudi Arabia only abolished slavery in 1962; Yemen and Oman didn’t follow suit until 1970. Slavery is openly practiced today in two Muslim countries, Sudan and Mauritania. In line with historical practice, Muslim slavers in the Sudan primarily enslave non-Muslims, and chiefly Christians. According to the Coalition against Slavery in Mauritania and Sudan (CASMAS), a human rights and abolitionist movement founded in 1995, “The current Khartoum government wants to bring the non-Muslim Black South in line with Sharia law, laid down and interpreted by conservative Muslim clergy.
Slavery was alive and well in America in the 1950s. "The Help' book was based on fact and shows what a totally hateful race America is.
You were sterilizing blacks, poor and disabled people well into the 50s
And today most of your Abortion Mills [ or butchers] are placed in run-down, ethnic ares. So you're still at it! SHAME ON YOU – you call yourselves civilized? I don't THINK so!
I finally read my moniker and realized what a hypocrite I am.
Sorry!
China and the US are going to have to work together on a lot of issues...
OMG... just think of all the funds that could go into helping the "needy" if the UN (major countires of the world) could get it's act together. The world is revolving around arms and the profit from them...we need to go in a new direction, the current one has a lot of people dying. Hopefully in my lifetime, if not my childrens.
As President Eisenhower pointed out in 1953, "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.... This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
Imagine the amount of money spent fighting the muslims and their ideologies of mass murder, hate, spitefulness, ...
Tell your confrere that islam will not win.There will not be a caliphate. Stop ranting and for once in hundreds of years do something good.
neive (to some degree), I know, but if the "big guys" don't start thinking this way.... we know where all our grandkids (in all the countries across the world)
will end up..
Yup, my grandchildren will be as far away from the cult of islam as possible.
This article is so full of sh it it's unbelievable. Of course it's fear of China that's driving the policy. Why do you think the US is bulking up the navy in the region? To ensure safe shipping of clothes and cheap electronics?? Oh Please! Luckily China won't stand for it, and they have far more greater influence in those countries then the US, and always will. Sorry USA, but maybe it really is tome to hang up your foreign policy of interference, and just deal with problems at home, before you totally implode.
Dan, you really don't have a clue what the hell you're talking about. China is weak militarily in comparison to us. We have bulked up our Naval presence in the region because Asia is becoming an important trade center of the world, as the world's money shifts positions the defense is also going to shift that's just the way it is. Asia is growing and Europe is slowing... so that's where we'll put our military to ensure trade is open, free, and defended. Finally, the US is in no way close to collapsing... you're ridiculous for thinking that. We're the wealthiest Nation on the Planet, we have had a rough economy over the past few years but it's still more robust than ANY economy in the world. People like you are ignorant, you think that for some reason if the US struggles at all it must be on the verge of collapse.... what morons like you don't realize is that in a Struggling economy, the US economy is still better than ANY OTHER ECONOMY IN THE WORLD! ....... fool... anyways continue your hate, it'll get you nowhere.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/68205/arvind-subramanian/the-inevitable-superpower
The Inevitable Superpower
Why China’s Dominance Is a Sure Thing
By Arvind Subramanian
Anthony1223 – Because you have an article written by some jaggoff on the internet you think it's true? There were a million Jaggoff's that said the USSR would dominate the world too, didn't happen kid.... China doesn't invent things, they steal things... that's all they do... they reverse engineer whatever they can steal and try to sell it back to the people they stole it from using shoddy manufacturing methods and cheap materials.... China is nothing because they do not innovate and do not create.... Also they have a population 5 times larger than the US... that means they have to feed 5 times the people we do.... and the wealth has to be spread over 5 times what it is here... Plus if you haven't heard, They are still communist, which in the end will likely fall apart... when you start having an educated society people start to want freedom... China has a lot of issues facing it, a lot of issues that will face it soon... It is not inevitable that they will become a super-power. China can't even feed all of it's people, in fact, if not for the US (the breadbasket of the world) China's population would starve to death.... you should really stop believing opinion articles on the internet and look at the facts moron.
Dude. Are you serious? More than half the things you said about China aren't true. I was reading you comments and at first I thought you would be a sensible person, but then you started raging about China. China doesn't invent things, they just steal?? Are you serious? All of the other Eastern Asian countries have their entire language system developed from Chinese language. If anything US is the country that steals. It's not even a country made up of the natives (they were all slaughtered). The way you are attacking China by saying Communism is evil, is proof that you're just propelling the Cold War theory. The very reason why China wants the US out of their region is because the US has had a history of supporting corrupt regimes (Vietnam War, KMT – Chinese Civil War) only because of fear of the Domino Effect and in order to contain Communism. US has absolutely no reliability from a Chinese point of view. From the beginning, US presence has been hostile in Asia. To each his own, you may believe your opinion to be strong, but you fail to see what people in China see, since you don't understand their culture and history. Now who is ignorant?
Tim what a TROLL you are. You did not rebuke anything, you just chastised.
What is so funny is that you are probably the smartest thing muslims have.
Tim, nowhere in your incoherent ramblings did you even come close to making an argument worthy of discussion. All of what i accused the Chinese of doing is true. They attempt to hack US federal agency's computer networks on a daily basis, they reproduce patented and copyrighted material made in other country's without consent, they have state sponsored slavery, they do all sorts of evil things... whether you like to admit it or not, and trying to argue that point by talking about stuff that happened in the 16-1800's in the US is not a defense.
love bill clinton wish we still had his leadership he knew how to save money. What happened to lights out and government days off seemed like he was best prez in my lifetime. Go Clinton
Clinton, you are a one-dimensional thinker. But, I do hope you accidentally turn out to be right about our future relation to China.
Ourselves and our grandkids (and many more generations) are "fudged".. Good job "leaders" !
are you talking to Ahmadinedork, or Assad, or allah!
Your kids and their kids will be fighting wars and terrorism for ever
...is this what it's all about ? Good job leaders ....
I wonder what is Mitt Romney's foreign policy agenda??? Following the killing of OBL, Mitt Romney said he would have gone about it differently in trying to capture OBL. I wonder if Romney would have been able to go about it differently and get the same results??? Perhaps he would have gone about it differently by building a bigger compound than the one GWB built for OBL so he could house more wives.
Did you know that there is no way a Moslem warrior ( Jihadi ) can loose in a war against the Kafirs (unbelievers). If he survives, he gets the loot & becomes the possessor of the Kafirs women. But if he gets killed, he goes straight to Janat ( Moslem's Paradise ), where rivers of wine, milk & honey flow, and where 72 houris & 28 pretty boys, anxiously await for him, to service & suffice his wildest urges. Thus a Mujahid ( the holy Moslem warrior ) wins both ways, dead or alive, and there is nothing that, can stop a determined Jihadi.
China isn't anything to fear militarily... They have 1 Aircraft carrier and that's so outdated that we would mothball it if it was one of ours... Their Airforce is decent but 1 on 1 against our fighters it's like a jet versus a bi-plane with a machine gun on it... The US has wisely spent billions on defense year after year after year to ensure we are not threatened by foreign nations anywhere in the world. People like to think we are somehow weak because of the resistance and the long wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the thing is, those are not conventional "wars" Occupying a nation is far different from defeating a military... if we had no other purpose but to militarily destroy another Nation's military and or infrastructure, if we completely untied our military's hands... we could annihilate each and every military on the planet no question... that's how it is... that's why we have no reason to fear China, or any other nation for that matter. The only reason our opponents feel emboldened at this time in our history is the US has shown a willingness to fight wars with the fewest amount of civilian casualties as possible... If a WW2 scenario kicked off, it'd be over in a matter of weeks.
The future U.S. relations with China will be far different than the Cold War relationship with the U.S.S.R., even if the Chinese get closer to nuclear parity with the U.S. The two nations will be far more interdependent economically than the U.S. and Soviets; hence their fates will be far more interlocked. US is now China’s major market ( ran a $295 billion trade deficit with China in 2011) and China is US largest lender (China presently holds over $1 trillion in American assets—largely bonds).In a sense, US and China are each other’s principal sources of revenues: trade revenues for China and loans for the U.S. government.
Before the US China war begin world stock market will plummet endlessly, world economy will collapse, inflation will skyrocket and everybody's life will be in hell. The world is moving closer to the brink of extermination! God save who save himself.
Seriously? Maybe you should sign up for Doomsday Preppers, i'm sure they would get a kick out of putting you on TV. As for your argument, China and the US may appear interdependent and they are in the current state of affairs... but who is on the right side of it? If a war were to kick off, the US would simply nullify those loans from China and suddenly China would own zero US debt. Furthermore China is not in a position to even feed itself independently... China would be crippled if a conflict occurred with the United States and trade was halted... China relies on the US consumer to purchase their crappy products... They rely on the US for food, the US doesn't rely on China for anything important realistically... sure the economy would take a hit, but the US would shift to manufacturing for a war effort and it's economy would indeed survive and again it'd be stronger than anybody elses in the world.... I know you're arguing because you want to sound smart Anthony1223... but unfortunately you're just flat out wrong and the opposite effect is happening.
you're so stupid...if a world war scenario kicked off it would be nuclear war. wth do you think the Cold War was in the first place? the reason no one shot anything. get off of CNN until you know your history. your ignorance will spread like a disease.
Tim, you're an idiot. nothing else to say, you're not even arguing with me in a coherent fashion, you just keep saying stupid things that either aren't relevent or don't make any sense.
the more american like you, the better chances for chinese people.
The more muslims like you, the more chances for the civilized world.
This story is nothing but a whitewash by the Clinton News Network. Fear or no fear, isn't even the point.
what is the point?
The point is that our behavior is stupid, whether it's motivated by fear or not.
By "our", I mean muslims in general.
china encourages the slave trade. china steals property and ideas, china doesnt know how to create. china punishes anyone who disagrees with them. china in short is evil. HOwever as long as they sell cheap white socks to Wal-mart we are happy.
Sean, Agreed. China is in fact an evil country. Communism is evil. There was good reason for our Fathers and Grandfathers to work toward the end of communism in the world. When you have a communist regime you have simply a more advanced version of despotism. You have an elite ruling class and a peasant class... I'm dissapointed that we freely engage and enhance China's economy... we should in my opinion, enforce a more stringent trade policy with China, we should flip the script on these people... right now they are benefitting from utilizing state sponsored slave labor to work in their factories and unless the US wants to allow slave labor in our country, our manufacturing centers simply cannot compete.... I believe in order to balance this and move our manufacturing back home, we should enforce trade restrictions and or tariffs on Imported Chinese products to make it as expensive or more expensive to buy Chinese products in the US.
I suppose your uncle encourages you to zuck his kwok and swallow his kum until you are indeed full of it.
Saeed/JAL/100%Ethio
Look around, can you see us watching you.
One wrong move and we have you.
Only one thing you overlook – innovation at the production/manufacturing stage, see, e.g. >http://www.chinalawblog.com/2011/09/httpeconomixblogsnytimescom20110804moving-china-up-the-value-chain.html. While not yet at the cutting-edge new product stage – substantial improvements are made by production engineers in China – we're missing that here in the US now because we're not producing much at home. In fact, I've seen articles lately that Chinese engineers are beginning to design products themselves, at, of course, much cheaper cost than the US. I agree that they have tended to copy and imitate in the past (which is not such a bad idea considering the past success of the US), but eventually that will change – and our own consumer and profit-driven economy will wind up supporting that change.
I think it's more about the US being left out than Fear.
left out of what?
no...what's driving our foreign policy is to preserve the federal reserve note (the us dollar) as the world reserve currency. Once it collapses, as its predicted to do, it'll lead to WWIII. Whoever is president then will come up with a huge lie to justify it.
where is that predicted?
google it
I make ignorant, open-ended statements and when someone calls me on them, I try to ridicule him/her.
I am so stupid, this is the only thing for me to do as I could not really ever make an intelligent comment if my life depended on it.
I fear Chinese drivers too.
why do you fear Chinese drivers?
The SCOTUS made it all too possible.
What did the Supreme Court make possible?
China will be militarily and economically superior to the US within 2 decades. This is fact.
No, Seth, it is not fact; it is your prediction. A prediction that may be correct but that is more likely mistaken.
Seth, you're absolutely foolish if you believe that... The Chinese aren't even close militarily... you don't understand... idiots like you apparently can't... The Chinese can't support a Military budget as high as ours... in fact even if they matched us economically, they wouldn't be able to put the same amount of money towards defense as we can simply because they have over 1.5 billion people they have to take care of... even being communist they still have to spend money to take care of their people to an extent, and it costs more to take care of that many people. The Chinese will need an economy perhaps twice the size of the US's in order to be able to put as much money as we do toward defense.... idiots like you have no clue.
@Clinton – even the US can't support a military budget the level the US has. There's a reason we owe the Chinese $1 Trillion.
Sure we have a deficit but again, It's better to be in debt 1 trillion than have lended someone 1 trillion....
Pat Reardon
Are you stupid or are you deliberatly lying?
The USA has a huge debt but china's portion is 1/26 of that debt.
You should read more so that when you graduate from playschool you will be ready for Kindergarten.
@Nina – I like to think I'm not stupid but I'm alway willing to entertain the possibility that I'm wrong on that
. As for deliberately lying, it has been well established that our national debt is over $13 Trillion and as "Clinton" will no doubt remind you, Mrs. Clinton actually made a significant campaign point of the fact that $1 Trillion of the national debt is owed directly to China. Before you fling out personal accusations, you had best reexamine your reference sources – particularly since this is not a even a slightly controversial point (i.e. both Dems and Reps freely acknowledge the nature and extent of our debt). If you want to not appear stupid yourself, you had best stick with making assertions that are not universally known to be incorrect.
@Clinton – no argument there. I would point out there is a difference between a deficeit and debt. We run a trade deficeit to the extent that we continually buy more from China than we sell them. We have debt because we borrow and the Chinese hold a lot of that because they prefer to buy our debt rather than buy our goods. Ignoring a trade deficeit is something you can do for a while and get away with so long as you have the credit to keep buying. Ignoring a debt will get you in trouble, and not just with the person you owe the debt to. We don't have the technical means to distinguish which Treasury instruments the Chinese have from the ones everybody else has. The only way the debt situation harms them is if we do something that tanks our bonds across the board. Since that would harm all bondholders, that's not a likely outcome, regardless of how satisfying it might be to think about.
Can you substantiate that statement?
Clnton . . . Yes the US military is bad @ss, some day they might even defeat the Taliban, and now they want to be buddies with Vietnam, and we know who won that fight the last time the US and Vietnam ingaged....LOL
Yes qwerty, i do know what happened to Vietnam, the US killed 19 Vietnamese for every US soldier that died, militarily we kicked the livin crap out of the Vietnamese, if the objective was to kill every Vietnamese person, we could have done that. We weren't trying to kill everybody in Vietnam though, our objective was to convince the Civilian population to form a Democratic Government instead of a Communist one. Like I said, Militarily we can defeat any army on Earth no problem, but convincing people to change their minds and adopt Democracy is a much more difficult task. That is not a war of land and resources, it's a war of psychology. Don't let that confuse you though dunce, The US can defeat any military on Earth.
Clinton...you do know the US lost the Vietnam War right?
The US government backed a corrupt government. No matter whether Capitalist or Communist, all forms of government are "perfect' in ideology, but either can be evil, as both are run by human beings. Your ridiculous racist comments is just evidence that people on the other side of the world in China may be just as ignorant and blind with their own opinions as you are with yours, and that their will always be this type of racial conflict between people. Way to make the world a crappier place.
Tim,
You do realize you're a dunce right? none of my comments are racist you fool. I simply am pointing out facts about foreign Governments. Oh, and you can't really win or lose a war like vietnam, we occupied their territory for years trying to install a Friendly Democratic Government. The populace refused to become Democratic and we left, we were NEVER militarily defeated.
We fear no one, except the Republicans. They hold America hostage.
Vote for 3rd party.
Clinton . . . don't forget to pound your chest.
and don't forget that winning militarily is a small part of the equation. If winning militarily was everything, we would have won the Vietnam War, we would not have spent the last 11 years in Afghanistan, and we would not have handed Iraq over to Iranian influence. In ancient times, the winners of wars marched home with the treasure of the enemy, the enemies were taken as slaves, their property taken, you name it. That no longer happens – in our time you pay to occupy and rebuild the enemy's country you have conquered it, and the cost is very expensive. Then, if you're the US, you create free countries that, of course, will exericise their free will and turn their back on us because we conquered them in the first place and killed their people, so the huge investment, not to mention the lives lost, rarely result in gain.
qwerty, it's not pounding your chest to point out facts... people like you, that have the intellectual capacity equal to a common gnat, fail to look at history the way it is, rather you like to twist it to any form that suites your feelings... I simply pointed out how foolish you are and how your failed attempts to miscontstrue the facts are obvious to the rest of us that actually are intelligent.
oooh gnat. big word. and speaking of twisting facts, youre one to talk...
Open your eyes – You should know that you're useless, your statements are pathetic and you don't even have an intelligent argument to bring to the table. It doesn't really matter what you think, no matter how much you hate the US it's not going to change the fact that you as a human being are a useless waste of salt... nobody cares what you think.
The reason I ask is because my mother taught me to pound my chest when I want to threaten Kafirs.
Clinton . . . . Face it, Score – Taliban 1, USA – 0, Score – Vietnam 1, USA – 0, USA defeat twice. you can rationize it anyway you want, but the last guy standing wins.
The US is still standing if you haven't noticed qwerty, The US left Vietnam after it decided they could not convince the Vietnamese to become a Democracy, and again, more Vietnamese were killed in that conflict than US servicemen. The taliban, are you joking? The taliban was in control of Afghanistan when we arrived, they are now a ragtag group of terrorists living in the mountains hiding from drones... if that's your definition of winning, i don't know what to tell you.
Fool you know why the US left Vietnam? Cuz even though the US supported the Southern government, they were being attacked by the Northern Vietnamese supplied by China, and attacked by Southern Vietcong rebels. The only SIDE the US was on was a corrupted Southern Vietnamese government. Even the South was against the US presence there.
Timmy – we will beat you guys or we will leave you to fight amongst yourselves and die and your children will have no parents.
We loss because we do not achieve our goal in Afghanistan.
hate to burst your bubble qwerty, but we in the US are still standing. More importantly, I cannot fathom how you think the score between the taliban and US is 1-0.
You brought up the Taliban so let us discuss this group of cowards. I am going to stop and chuckle about Osama. The Taliban beat women and children from 2001 to 2004 and then had their a$$e$ handed to them by a better force—the USA. Woah they were such respected heroes?!?! Today, they are reduced to conning other muslims into being suicide bombers for 72 sturgeons. Again, Woah, really tough bunch!?!?!
And recently, the Taliban stopped 280,000 children from getting the polio vaccine. This means that due to the backwardness of Afghanistan, one fourth of these children will get the disease of which one fourth will die a painful, slow death. Gee the Taliban are so smart!
Tim, when did i say anything different about why we left you moron? I said the US left because the people of Vietnam refused to accept a Democratic Government, I pointed out that Militarily we were not defeated in Vietnam, on the contrary we killed 19 of them for every 1 of us, militarily we did not lose. I was pointing that out to qwerty another brain child like you. Maybe reading and comprehension are as hard for you as history tim? dunce!
Clinton, you are a true moron. Go study real history.
LOL – that's funny, because I took honors history in Highschool and took history in college. Sorry unlike you i do know real history, i didn't read it on an extremist website like you.
The United States did not leave because the people rejected democracy. The United States left because of the Peace Treaty of Paris. The United States lost the will to fight. The Republic of Vietnam, the South, did not willing sign the treaty. Although the southerns did not want the US in originally, they wanted the US to stay. They were forced to sign the treaty with the North and with promises the the US will force the terms of the treaty. The United States DID NOT enforce the treaty. Within two years all of Indochina fell to invading armies.
Clinton, we know you never passed any of the history classes you took.
I am the true Moron. I laugh at anything. There are beautiful butterflies in my empty skull.
the US ran from communism in vietnam. those bumper stickers that read 'these colors dont run' only exemplify how strong the trait of 'denial' is in the american people.
America isn't in denial, we know what we stand for. People like you are jaded because you don't understand the world, you've likely never been outside the country and don't have a clue how the rest of the world operates, you judge the US on a scale that doesn't even make sense and worse, you don't even know it... because you're too ignorant to begin to comprehend it.
I always repeat
"open your eyes" and "breathe".
It helps.
why did we give so much money and guns to osama and the taliban back when they were killing russian soldiers and civilians?
Well first off "open your eyes" you made a fool of yourself with your response because the fighting was in afghanistan and Russian civilians were not being killed... second the reason we were providing Osama's group arms at the time was because we were doing whatever we could do to halt the expansion of the USSR which, if you knew anything about history you would know had murdered over 20 million people at that point and had an appalling civil rights legacy... but you knew that right? Seriously, stop using Meth and looking at extremist websites... get a job, live your life whacko.
The ARF did seem to over-react negatively to Clinton; BUT China and many of these other Asian countries know how America works: Geo-political expansionism and control. The ARF wants to work things out amoungst themselves without American involvemt. If this article is true, who invited Clintion to this meeting and how was she allowed to address these delegates?
All you muzzies do is make statements without any validity.
Say something that is valid and reliable with appropriate sources and then I will listen to your rants.
Do you have any idea how to do that?
nina – that is why these people get on CNN and blog, they realize they're too dumb to stand in front of someone in the real world and say the idiotic things they are saying here... they know in public everybody would laugh at how dumb they are so they hide on here and try to spread their ignorance.
Clinton – Day in and day out, these guys spew poison. I have never read anything positive, helpful, intelligent out of them. They are leeches on the earth. They suck blood in allah's name.
Alright, I've had the misfortune of reading a decent portion of this message board. Nina, I realize you're a troll, but could you at least have the decency to remain coherent and on-topic while you blast everyone with your hateful rhetoric? I guess it takes too much thought and effort to adapt your trolling to the myriad of topics available in the news, but you are without a doubt one of the worst I've yet seen.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm and what have you said of any consequence TROLL?
HINDU KALI – GODDESS OF VIOLENCE/TERRORISM
A recent report by United Press trust of India (UPI) stated that during the past three years more than 2,500 young boys and girls were sacrificed to goddess Kali in India. Another of AFP's recent reports say: hundreds of young boys and virgin girls are sacrificed every month for the deity Kali. In one case Rama Sewak hacked his eight year old son to death in broad daylight in Delhi because goddess Kali had told him he would come back to life and bring him good fortune. Bloodthirsty Kali is worshipped openly the length and breadth of India. Kali's statue stands naked astride the inanimate body of the Hindu deity Shiva, tongue stuck out with blood dripping from fang-like teeth. She holds a noose, a skull-topped staff, a blood-encrusted sword and a severed head. She is also known as Durga, Devi, Shaktima, Uma and Parvathi in other manifestations. The priest of Delhi, Kali Bari, says that a child sacrificed to Kali ensures a man the birth of a son. Human sacrifices are also made to these gods or goddesses, either to appease them or to ask favours of them.
Wow !!! No laws, cops, state police, national guards, army ......????? Absolutely repulsive by any standards.
quote a reliable source and I wont think that you are a lying, cheating, bigotted d o u c h e b a g.
US is a sinking ship. Long live China and resurgent Russia!
The truth is that I am an idiot who will do whatever my imam/mullah tells me to do.
Otherwise, I have to go back to the "home".
first it was the indians. then the spanish. then the germans. the nazis. communists. muslims. and now chinese. america has always been a warmongering nation that cannot slake its thirst for domination or violence with anything but blood. the powers that run this country need its sheeple to be focused on a bogey man that they can safely attack and kill so that they will not realize how they are robbing this country daily, its a setup thats worked for over a 100 years.
The process you're describing is not original to nor unique to the US. It was an old formula even in the Roman day – nothing like a good war to take the people's minds off of domestric troubles. The reason we still do it today is that it works. That's not an indictment of the US way of doing things so much as a disappointing fact about human nature and that the overwhelming majority of anywhere is pretty easily duped.
Clinton.....the only thing you can do is, rewrite history, and call people names, yes, you are a very humble man...hahaha..LOL
qwerty why do you type with so many spaces in between your words are you stupid? Seriously kid, I am not rewriting history, i actually paid attention to it and studied it rather than getting my history from a distorted website i read books published both domestically and from outside the country. you realize that's why you're so stupid right? because you're narrow minded and haven't learned anything while living on this Earth.
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Oh, really, you read books? Which book states that U.S. left Vietnam because Vietnamese people rejected democracy? The Bible? LOL
You notice that we did not say anything of substance.
We just accused someone of not saying anything of substance.
We are so snaky.
Allahuakbarh!
The Economist finds that China has already overtaken America on well over half of 21 different indicators, including manufacturing output, exports and fixed investment. The chart below predicts when China will surpass America on the rest. By 2014, for example, it could be the world’s biggest importer and have the largest retail sales. America still tops a few league tables by a wider margin. Its stockmarket capitalisation is four times bigger than China’s, and it spends five times as much on defence. Even though China’s defence budget is growing faster, on recent growth rates America’s will remain larger until 2025.
The biggest sign of a liar... they post what they contend are "facts" but do not cite the source of their "information". China is no where near eclipsing the US. Estimates have stated that if the Chinese economy grows larger than the US's it's predicted to do so sometime in mid century, those projections were also based on the assumption that China will continue to grow at the rate it was prior to the economic slowdown, which according to CNN's report just the other day, it is not, it has slowed and is continuing to slow... predictions are just that, guesses. Also, I again restate that even if the Chinese rose to our economic level, they have 5X the population of us, in order for them to be as wealthy as us, they would need an economy MUCH larger than our own... do you even know what the food bill is to sustain China? Health care? retirement? ....... China has a lot of challenges ahead, i believe they will come to revolution before they reach our economic level.
Clinton: Your math is obviously primitive. Even though, Chinese population is 5X that of the US, consumption is 4X lower. Chinese people can survive on a bowl of rice a day, whereas American population cannot. Chinese people, contemporaries to the ancient Egyptians and Romans, demonstrated an enormous resilience over the 40 centuries they were around compared to the contemporary American society that is only 236 years old. DO NOT underestimate Chinese baby …
Qur'an 70:42 "So let them chat vainly and play about, with their idle disputes until they encounter that Day of Doom which they have been threatened! They will rise from their sepulchers in sudden haste as if they were rushing to a goal, their eyes lowered in dejection and disgrace, aghast, abasement stupefying them – ignominy shall overtake them! Such is the Day that they are threatened with!"
The USA doesn't have any problems, source...... self,. USA = perfect, wait ... i was dreaming, and Clinton named his source of information. My point, which you missed,,,,, one ship is picking up steam, the other one is taking on water.
Milton-Edwards wants to put the record straight in this regard. She starts from the premise that without the 9/11 attacks on New York and the Pentagon, the relationship between 'Islam' and 'The West' might well have developed along a different trajectory. This is because both the attacks themselves, as well as linked bombings that followed, led to a significant change in perceptions of the role of non-state, transnational Islamic actors in international relations. Now it was no longer sufficient to see states as the only actors capable of inflicting large-scale, international political violence: 9/11 led to the death of nearly 3,000 people, while subsequent bombs linked to al-Qaeda killed hundreds more. Above all, the 9/11 attacks emphasised that international religious terrorism was now an important factor in international conflict. It called for: (1) a new comparative focus on the themes of conflict and violence associated in the minds of some with Islam, and (2) examination of links between failed states – especially in the Middle East – and the onset of a new phase of international Islamic terrorism.
http://www.politicalreviewnet.com/
If the International Monetary Fund is right, in a mere four years the U.S. will no longer be the world’s largest economy. By 2016, the People’s Republic of China’s total economic output will eclipse that of the U.S. Should this prediction prove true, Americans will see their nation knocked off a pedestal it has occupied for so long that holding any other place has become simply unimaginable.
Bloomberg Business Week, By Michael Dolgow on July 17, 2012
Clinton, you have not named one source, so you must be a liar, no, your just a joke. !
I am such a "joke"! but then, look what I have been told (lied) all my worthless life.
Qur'an 104:4 "He will be sure to be thrown into that which breaks him into pieces, flung to the Consuming One. And what will explain to you that which Breaks him into Pieces, Consuming and Crushing? It is the fire kindled by Allah which leaps up over them penetrating the hearts of men." [Allah is in hell, kindling the fire.]
This post aims at presenting the religious dimension of violence that goes back to the heart and origin of Islam. Despite various political, socio-economic and cultural factors contributing to the rise of violence and terrorism in fundamental Islam (as with all religions), Muslims who commit acts of violence and terror in the name of Allah can find ample justification for their actions based on the open-ended verses and teachings of the Qur’an and the saying of Muhammad (Hadith). Islam’s doctrines and texts are associated with violence, with laws requiring the eradication of what is considered evil by Islamic standard and law, using violent means. Throughout history, Islam’s religious texts or precepts have been used to promote violence. Classically, and in the modern era, Muslims and their leaders, including a large number of jurists, have upheld Islamic ideas, concepts, texts and themes to justify warfare against non-Muslims. Some suggest that the Qur’an contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with non-believers for the sake of Islamic rule, verses that are mostly open-ended and therefore are not restrained by historical context of the surrounding text. To offer a general illustration of the inherent relationship, it would do to point out that the root word for Islam is al-Slim which means submission or surrender. The Qur’an not only calls Muslim to submit to Allah, it also commands them to subdue people of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. Evidently, this has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its success in conquering other cultures.
China will win, no doubt.
America does not fear China. China provides jobs for the military. America will be policing the South China Sea more to protect those nations from Chinese attacks.
Shakespeare’s Hamlet, who suffered from melancholia, expressed the sentiment – “how weary, stale, flat and unprofitable seem to me the workings of this world. It is an unweeded garden and things rank and gross in nature possess it merely”
I am so proud of this comment that I have repeated it in every conversation.
I am unable to say anything else so I keep repeating what I think is intelligent and Deeeeeeeeeeeeep.
lol
Hmmm, is Clinton on this forum shovelingsnow? The usual troll that goes on every China related article and spams it. Or just a political nutcase?
SooooooooooooooooWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????????????????
and what's wrong with a little Cold War 2.0 with a Commie regime that still doesn't get it, and falsely claims to be the reason behind its country's economic success, while everyone knows that it's the cooperation with US and other free countries that drove it? and note that even Vietnam is now considered a US ally. and note that free countries, unlike current CPC ruled China, have much easier road to making important treaties and most definitely way less likely to go into a full-blown conflict when they can't quite come to an agreement.
Red China is far from being a monolith some present it to be; it's internally shaken up by all that discontent by various groups, be it Tibetans, Uyghurs, Muslim Hui Chinese, Honk Kongers and what not. let's see if it can indeed take on the free world; i personally doubt they will last too long. and when they falter, there will emerge a truly free and democratic China, that will pose no threat to anyone
You do realize that China's only communist in name only now, right? Or have you been living in a cave the last thirty years.
And if you think democracy always works out, then why's India still lagging with a small minority gaining all the new wealth.
Last thing, haven't the US been in enough wars already in the last decade with the Middle East? Why start more in Asia? That's a warmonger mentality....
Free Tibet. Free Mongolia. Free Turkestan
Free all the fleas from the camels.
Whatever they say, reality is that US is really afraid of china's growing power in terms of economic, military and science and technology.
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Saeed, you know that nobody is afraid of you right, you're from some backward 3rd world country and likely a muslim who for whatever reason can't get your head out of the 1400's... Sorry that you're pathetic, sorry that despite having a long history and having a civilization for thousands of years, your people are still pathetically weak and can't do anything for yourselves... But hating us for that doesn't make sense... go be productive, build your society, focusing on us isn't going to change how crappy your country and your people are.
More likely a redneck
I'm a republican but what a stupid thing to say. I think Hillary is a dedicated honest politician who was much more qualified than Obama.
Enjoy your secret service investigation.
Saeed, your post shows that you are full of frustration and self-hate, and that is just as well and further proof that the world usually ends up placing people where they belong. In your case, you are a classic case of sub-human refuse with no other option than to use places like this to vent your loathing of your own reality and realization that, as far as quality of life goes, yours belongs at the bottom of the barrel,
). Can't tell you how happy it makes me to see that some of you are at least smart enough to understand that you are the runts of the species. Your culture and religion are both destined for the trash bin of history. That too is at it should be. Have a lousy life !! 
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Now I really know the reason for continued violence in the Muslim world! The problem lies with sick, mentally unstable, individuals like yourself!
Saeed, thats the most stupid comment Ive read, a reflection of your level of intelligence (or lack of it). Do yourself a favour – jump off a bridge.
Bob, you're being redundant.
muslims are hateful, backstabbing, vicious, moronic idiots and war mongers.
HINDU GODDESS PANCHALI
This goddess was married to five brothers. Which one would become the legitimate father of his child should she have one? Dr Charles (renowned author and an authority on India) says that instances of incest are common in Hindu scriptures.
What ? your islamic cult is better?
How many wives and children can a muslim have in a lifetime?
These muslims rule their houses and even their coooooooorun tells them how to beat their wives and children.
Do you really think that this makes you better?
@Nina....you want to be my concubine?
I stole this moniker from Jonathan because I envy him so much.
I enjoy lying and cheating because Moorhamed tells me that allah the magnificent allows me and demands my deplorable behaviour.
I am just bad.
So much fun!
Yes Jack, Hillary is an "honest" politician. Now, let's skip down to the gumdrop fields and pet the unicorns. Maybe we can visit the lollipop forest later.
Jack, I've seen this guy post before, he's not an American, and if he is, he's a muslim extremist in America, because The posts i've seen this guy put up basically were saying that he hopes all British and American men woman and children die. Pretty sure he's some ignorant middle-easterner who hasn't realized how pathetic his people are.
If the Hindu man's wife dies, he is free to go and find another beautiful woman when he wants. But if the Hindu woman's husband dies, not only is she prohibited to remarry but she should be cremated along with her dead husband ("Sati"). According to the Haria, the woman who follows her husband in death purifies three families – her father's, her mother's and her husband's
DID YOU KNOW THAT:
A Muslim man in Iran cut off his 7-year-old daughter’s head because he suspected she had been abused by her uncle?
Daughter and wife beating are routine in the Muslim world. Over 90 percent of Pakistani wives, for instance, have been struck, beaten, or abused– for offenses like cooking an unsatisfactory meal, or for failing to give birth to a male child?
In Iran the legal age for marriage is nine years old, and in an Afghan refugee camp virtually all the girls over second grade were married?
Women who are abused in Muslim countries often end up being punished while the rapist gets off free?
All a man has to do to divorce his wife is say, “I divorce you” three times – and then she is a single woman without support and without her children, who are usually taken by the father?
In India, millions of girls are strangled, slowly starved or simply tossed in the trash. Moreover, in India, at least 1,370 girls are aborted every day. As a comparison, some 250 Indians die every day in road accidents. Terrorists killed about six people, on an average, every day in 2009. In the last two decades of economic progress, 10 million girls have died as such in India.
SHAME ON INDIA AND ITS BARBARIC AND MEDIEVAL CULTURE !!!
Indians have killed more human beings (girls particularly) than Al Qaeda and Talibans put together.
In some Haryana villages in India, the young girls are routinely threatened, abused and killed all under Khap (tribe/clan) verdicts. It is acceptable for the families to feed pesticide pills to the teenage girls and then dispose off their bodies by burning them without any police records.
Sadly Gandhi
Among the various charges disclosed in the book: Gandhi not only slept in beds with young women under the age of 18, but also engaged in a long-term, gay affair with German-Jewish architect and bodybuilder Hermann Kallenbach, for whom India's peace icon at one point left his wife in 1908. As the Wall Street Journal reports
The Aghori or Aghouri is a Hindu cult that is considered to have split off from the Kapalika order in the fourteenth century AD. They have cannibalistic rituals. The streets of northern Indian cities are littered with followers of this cult carrying a kapala, which is a cup made from a skull! These bizarre people will eat anything from rotten food to animal faeces. In order to achieve the highest citadel of enlightenment, the Aghori will perform horrendously crude rituals. The finality of their rituals is attained from eating the decaying flesh of a human.
Did you notice how I can invoke the supernatural.
Allah, peace be upon muslims only, demands my discusting behaviour.
I love allah!
Hilary Clinton has strong beliefs in Jeffersonian democracy, which is not always appreciated. She has character and courage and deserves respect.
The U.S. has reason to keep an eye on Asia, as it has a few restive areas, which are the backyards of China, India and Russia, the three giants in the continent. Since the Arab Spring and the conflict in Syria, China has shown its indispensability whenever the U.S. needs an ally outside the first world. Naturally it's not amused to be patronised by the U.S. when it comes to the disputes in its region.
India has become too big to govern or create any value for western countries or even for its own population. We have invested a lot of resources in India over the past two decades and given a lot of aid to prop it up. There has been no investment on this return. Instead India has squandered all the resources in building nuclear weapons while poverty remains rampant in the country. We need to revisit our relationship with India. American taxpayers will not tolerate this anymore. We need to take care of our own populace going forward. We cannot be exporting jobs to India or giving it financial or technical handouts.
More likely, some white guy troll in Middle America pretending to be "Saeed."
No way techr, Saeed is a good muslim just like you.
He has posted the same camel dung for months.
Saeed=SuperTroll
SuperBADtroll
You notice how snaky I am by pretending to hate Saeed.
When I change to my stolen moniker Patrick or Patrick-2, I back Saeed all the way.