By Andrzej Jonas, Special to CNN
Andrzej Jonas is editor-in-chief of The Warsaw Voice. This is the second in a new series looking at how the world sees the U.S. election, and what the Obama presidency has meant for ties with other countries. The views expressed are the author's own.
If people in Poland could vote for U.S. president, Barack Obama would probably get at least half the vote. While that’s probably much less than in the liberal countries of Western Europe, where Obama could by some estimates count on nearly 80 percent support, it’s still a substantial figure considering Polish President Bronisław Maria Komorowski only had the backing of just over half of his countrymen in the last election.
Of course, my compatriots aren’t necessarily experts on U.S. politics, but then neither are many voters in America. People there, as is the case almost everywhere, are often guided by superficial impressions and assessments. But whatever their views on Obama vs. Romney, one thing is clear – Poles are no longer head over heels in love with America the way they were back in communist days, when the U.S. was seen as the epitome of success and freedom.
Why? For a start, we’ve discovered the bittersweet taste of freedom. Second, being closer to America has meant we’ve seen some of its faults up close – and the myth has been replaced by reality. We were euphoric over Poland’s entry into NATO in 1999. But it quickly became clear that Article 5 of the NATO pact, which states that member states will help one another in the event of an armed attack on another, is more than anything about saying the right words. There would be a long, winding and bumpy political road to actual deeds.
The participation of Polish troops in the operation in Iraq ended with the same kind of disappointment as elsewhere, and hopes that Poland would be able to take part in rebuilding Iraq’s economy have never materialized.
Afghanistan is another example of dashed hopes, while the proposed missile shield – our big hope for prestigious and practical improvement in Poland’s security – has turned out to be a political trick. The offset agreement accompanying the purchase of F-16 jets by the Polish armed forces has, at least in the minds of the Polish people, barely contributed anything to bringing Poland closer to U.S. technology and the prized American market. Even the mundane issue of U.S. visas – which Polish citizens, unlike most other EU nations, must have in order to enter – hasn’t moved forward.
There’s no real benefit to looking at why this state of affairs exists – it just does. But if we wanted to find a reason why we need look no further than the global financial crisis and the collapse of Lehman Brothers. These developments changed U.S. priorities – and Barack Obama allowed this change. His attitude to gays in the military or his U.S. health care plans are of little interest to Poles – they are unmoved and uninterested in such issues. The problem is that even when Poland has featured, it has been for the wrong reasons, such as when President Obama referred to “Polish death camps” instead of “Nazi death camps in Poland.”
And Mitt Romney? He knows nothing about us, and we know nothing about him. After he leaves Poland, we will remain indifferent to how much tax he pays and how he has amassed his fortune. We wouldn’t really care if the vice presidency went to Sarah Palin or Condoleezza Rice. The reality is that Romney will largely remain an unknown for Poles unless he wins in November.
Poland’s main opposition party, the conservative Law and Justice (PiS), is pinning the blame for most things on Prime Minister Donald Tusk and his Civic Platform (PO). But Law and Justice also seems eager to put Barack Obama in the dock next to Polish politicians – holding him in part responsible for all the things that Poland was hoping to secure, but which were never delivered. PiS portrays itself as the Polish Republican party and enjoys the support of a significant segment of the Polish American community (which, though largely resident in Chicago, isn’t particularly fond of Barack Obama). All this means that the ruling Civic Platform, if only because it differs with PiS on so many issues, would vote for Obama today.
But setting aside such preferences, there are also Poland’s national interests at stake, and these interests would be best served by a strong U.S. president who can steer his country onto a path of sustained growth and strengthen U.S. leadership around the world. The fact is that there’s no better way of ensuring global security. The problem is that it will be long after November before Americans, Poles or anyone else will know whether the next president – Obama or Romney – has been successful on this front.
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Talking about 80% support in a free election is disingenuous when rarely more than 70% actually vote. Outside the US we are even more disappointed with Obama than in the US. Since Obama's change rhetoric delivered more of the same, most of the world now believes the US electoral system is a paid for sham which only criminals can navigate.
matslats wrote: "most of the world now believes the US electoral system is a paid for sham which only criminals can navigate." I would re-word that and say "most of the world now KNOWS the US electoral system is a paid for sham..." Anyone who thinks Americans are for freedom and believe in "live free or die" are fooling themselves. There would be riots in the streets and 50% of Congress (both parties) swinging by their necks from trees if we really believed that anymore.
Sure thing Chicken Little!
ahahahahahahahahaha...
The article is
I don't get it did the Poles think we would have a parade for them everyday and shower them with candies. They supported us in Iraq but they did not have to. Germany and france said no so they could of has well. I think the US has treated Poland a hell of a lot better than Russia or Germany ever did. What I don't understand about our allies is what do they want from us at times? You feel neglected because we not paying attention to you what are they children. ALso if we were the bully the world see's as would we not but into more domestic affairs in these nation.
Darling, I'm Polish, and Andrzej Jonas' opinion is much like any of the bozos on MSNBC, if not worse. Barack Obama would not win the election in Poland, the only liberal party that we have barely even won 20% of the vote in the last election. Other than that, we only have conservative politics and politicians – there are few conservative parties that fight each other, that's the main attraction. The liberal groups are extremely small, and work as fringe groups. We're one of few countries where abortion is illegal, for crying out loud, for Obama's views on just that one issue he'd never win. Silly article really, sad that Jonas wants to move on to brainwashing the rest of the world how Poland works...
As a foreigner living in Poland, I must say Monica's comment makes more sense to me than the whole article. As per the western standards, Poland is a very conservative society. Church is dominant, and so are the right-wing parties. People are more interested in Jesus than in Science or Technology. Poles are happy that their economy is cool, but that is because they don't export anything (almost nothing). Less export, less revenue, less growth. All development you see is funded by EU. Everything you buy is either from China or west. Seems like Poles don't produce anything other than milk, meat and bread. Of course, they must be busy radicalising in church. Jonas wrote this article crying about things Poland didn't receive from US, without mentioning a thing they did receive from US. Also, I found the whole idea of finding Obama/Romney voters in Poland so stupid. Who cares? As for the President of US or any other nation, their foremost duty is to act in the best interest of their own population. If you think Polish soldiers are dying in vain, then why don't you leave NATO. But you will not, because you know sticking with US is in YOUR best interest. So instead of crying out loud, better contribute something to the world and prove your worth. And you will get what you deserve.
Perhaps the article should focus more on Polish Americans than Poles in Poland. But I agree with those who point to the fact that Mitt is a hypocrit for pretending to embrace what Lech Walesa stood for on one hand while at the same time, supporting the union busting campaignas of the Scott Walkers of America. That is hypocrisy.
Monica – stop being a politician. Polish people in Poland don't like black people or gay people. On top of that they hated Obama for beign disrespect on mis-stated on the nazi death camp.
Indeed Pope John Paul II is deed since 2005, buth he still lives on in Poland as Karol Józef Wojtyła. Poland has a proud cultural heritage and can trace its roots back over 1,000 years. It had been behind the Iron Curtain for decades. As its democratisation started only some 20 years ago, it takes time to catch up with Western Europe.
Agreed. 80% of teh Polish electorate would vote anyone but Obama.. Very poor article..
Lisa, obviously you got no idea about Poland. Plenty of stuff is manufactured in Poland since unemployment there is far below Spain's 25%, so folks have to work somewhere, not?
By the way, Walmarts in US are full of 'made in china' labels as well – just signs of times.
Monica and Lisa – You are BOTH SO right. Thank you for depriving CNN of a cheap opportunity to pull the wool over peoples eyes to grub a few more votes for Obama – the worst President ever.
This is the kind of underhand, lying propaganda they use on Mitt Romney. Poor man. Only the uneducated swallow it . But you have helped show the dishonesty. Again Bless you.
Monica and Lisa you are wrong. I wrote a longer post earlier but it was removed.. I guess it's due to CNN's sensitive filters. Sorry I won't be writing again if it's likely to be removed again.
Monica is right. Lisa obviously has that unique American talent of making themselves despised... I was very amused when Obama was elected – we all in the EU thought that it was a great thing... for the US.. We'd never elect an African...
Get real, scott. To say that we're not the world's biggest bullies is simply not true! The Poles will do exactly what we tell them to do just like all the other whimpy, current European leaders! They "shook hands with the devil", too!
It’s true what you said, but not all the countries in eastern Europe, Poland and Czech Republic most definitely.
To many secrets these days and we won’t probably find out what is actually going on between US and countries like Poland.US are probably paying them well for the international support or giving Poland free military equipment; fighter planes or other smaler things like rifles and hammer jeeps etc. But there is also Russia threat from the east... to many secrets.. atleast we still have some allies.
Quigley/Marine5484/whatever your name is today, you only promote dissent. Why?
Stu – You hit the nail on the head "So many secrets" indeed from the man who "promised" [that's a laugh!] TRANSPARENCY!
You pretty much nailed it, Quigley Thank you.
"Germany and france said no so they could of has well."
Could of?
First Let;' sghet some facts straight.
fact -Poland support and laso had the 3rd largest troop presence in IRAQ.
fact -Poland agreed to let the US build missle bases facing Russia or did you forget that.
fact – Poland wants or needs nothing from the US. Today in Poland there is lower unemployment then the US.
So before you start talking get your facts.
NoOne know how smart you are until you speak. "King Wladyslaw Jagello"
Don't be silly – the US has no "allies" only satellites.. yes we in that part of the world need US support, but it is a bit like making a deal with the devil – before you know it, he will ask for your soul. Nothing is worth becoming an auxiliary in the endless American wars – this is what NATO will be in the future. We are "allies" because we are holding our nose...
Most people don't realize that the worse thing the US is doing is the open "divide and rule" strategy within the EU. It's bad because the EU is a pretty fragile experiment, that is surviving only by the fear of falling, and the last thing it needs is a major power posing as "ally" to undermine its unity. Every time the US wants to cut a deal with my small country, I wish we had politicians that will just say – go to Brussels! We need a closer Union. China can never cut a "military cooperation" deal with Alabama... Personally I would move all of the embassies to Brussels and leave consulates in the various EU countries – like the States.
In 2004, I attended a Roger Waters concert at Jones Beach, NY. During the show, Waters floated a giant, helium-filled pig balloon with the words, "Vote Democrat 2004" and "Impeach Bush." Aside from the fact that no one wants to think about George Bush during a concert, why is a Brit telling Americans who to vote for? Could you imagine the indignation if an American act told a crowd of Brits who to vote for?
This blog post about Poles is along the same lines. As the sole remaining superpower, the U.S. is constantly in the spotlight, so people in every country - including Poland - think they have a say and a stake in U.S. politics. You don't. You're reliant on even fewer news sources, with even bigger slants, telling people in your country what they want to hear about the supposedly big, bad, selfish Americans and their politics. But this isn't your country, these aren't your politicians, your tax money is not at stake, your economy is not at stake. In other words, leave it alone, and let Americans make their decision in peace.
And if you ever forget that, take a moment to stop and imagine the indignation in Poland (or any other nation) if Americans were to stride in and start telling you what to believe and who to vote for. As for that bit about the bittersweet taste of freedom (Has there ever been a more absurd phrase?) maybe you can ask the Chinese to subjugate you if you feel a pining for the good old days of Communist rule.
LOL. "The bittersweet taste of freedom". That made me laugh too. If you don't like it, its very easy to get rid of. Just let anyone trample all over you and you will not have that bittersweet taste.
SS ...I mean Super Steve.....why so angry?? You seem not to get it. Communism and us not liking America like we did before has nothing in common. We resented Communism. We thought America was a dream land. But now we've come to realize you cannot even treat your BEST ally (and I don't mean Israel) with respect (let alone do anything for us). I could write a whole bunch of reasons, but I hope you know some of the answers. I do wish you good luck on Nov 8th, although I actually don't like either of the candidates. Anyways... Greetings!
I'm English and I support Romney. I detest Obama's non-handling of the economy. I have a RIGHT to do this because when YOU go down – you take MY country down too! USA claims to be the richest country in the world. Stop fantasizing – that was years ago. ANY country you owe monetto has a stake in America. Sad but true. You people have enough to say about the UK and European economy. Cope!
Super Steve, the State Department openly finances political parties in our part of the world and openly meddle in our elections. In fact not just in our EU elections – didn't Hilary again, openly called on the Russian people to defeat Putin in the last elections? I think the US is so disrespectful of other's sovereignty, that the whole world should be allowed to vote in your elections...
Ebola Awareness.
"While that’s probably much less than in the liberal countries of Western Europe, where Obama could by some estimates count on nearly 80 percent support."
So places like Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain and France would vote 80% in favor of Obama? If that doesn't make you think a little, I don't know what will.
I'm pretty sure none of those countries were mentioned in the article save for France (which is practically bailing out the E.U. in case you got out from under your rock in the past two years). Better luck next time y'all.
I also am polish and can't understand how Lech Walesa endorses a guy who hates unions. MITTENS has no use for them, he just wants to make himself rich. He only visits countries that need our international support. Did he visit Germany?, China? no. Sorry MITTENS go back to waterskiing.
I hate unions. . . . I was forced to join a union. . . then, when I PRODUCED about twice the amount as the others in the plant I was told to SLOW DOWN. . . . the plant ended up going out of business a few years later.
One can only imagine why.
"MITTENS"? Really? Are you an adult?
Neither Killer O'Bama nor Mytt Robmey is any kind of a friend to the Poles. Both want to control that country for the M.I.C. in Washington and use their troops for PR in any future expansion into Central and South Asia. Then again, these two jerks are no friends to the Amrican middle class either!
True.
I guess this is what you get when you voice your opinion on the internet while drunk...
Sorry guys, I never posted the above. Some idiot Tea Partier hijacked my name in order to make me look like a jerk. My apologies.
Romney met Walesa – Solidarity's first leader and Poland's first democratically-elected president – in Gdansk. While Walesa was pleased to meet the visitor, the Polish trade union movement, which originated in Gdansk and toppled Poland's communist regime in the late 1980s, said it had nothing to do with Romney's trip to the city. It had been in touch with the American headquarters of AFL-CIO (trade union in the US), which represents more than 12 million employees and learned that Romney supported attacks on trade unions and employees' rights. Walesa and the Solidarity haven't seen eye to eye for some years
The Solidarity movement has deep Catholic roots and is vastly different than the American labor unions.
The American People want to see mitt's tax returns for the last 20 years. We also want to see how many jobs he's off-shored and how much of the profits are sitting in off-shore accounts evading taxes.
No liberal would win an election in Poland.
That is why liberals are hoping Mitt runs for president of Poland!
Of course they can't Natasha, because the right-wing thugs in Washington are more and more increasing their grip on the Warsaw government. Only a pro-Washington stooge can be elected now, sadly enough!
That's because a liberal here in the U.S. would be considered a centrist in Europe.
Seems that someone in the press is flustered that Lech Walesa (a true and worthy Nobel Peace Laureate) gave Romney such high praise and slammed the Hollywood President.
After the visit are Poles telling Romney jokes?
Actually American jokes are more and more popular.
mitt was on a bad trip, I can't believe his press agent swore at other Americans at Holy site in Poland , their is a stark difference in Politic/Religion that is extreme foreign to what Romney represents, he is a so called Bishop in his faith.
I just see him as something back in the dark ages and not in a modern world unless he is a convict as I would never see him as a true convert to Christ.
who cares how poland votes? only CNN would waste time on this
This guys goes to England and mocks the British for their security, then travels to Israel and mocks the Palestinian refugees for not having a world class economy, now he travels to Poland and his aides insults reporters for questioning Rumney on his trip and he wants to be POTUS? What an insult to America.
Check your own wheels, Bozo.
I am Polish and I agree with Lisa 100%, we don't export or produce ANYTHING and there's no growth opportunity in Poland whatsoever, that's fact! People vote conservative in Poland, mostly out of ignorance, most are highly uneducated and very traditional. I came from Poland in the 80's in Chicago, I went back to visit 5 years ago, nothing has changed. Very poor economy that holds tightly to the EU for support. As for Barack Obama, considering his opponent is Mitt Romeny, not sure, as no one really likes Romney either. On the other hand, Poles in general tend to be very racist when it comes to African Americans and blacks in general. Sad to say..
Unless some major change I don't know about has taken place Poland can't vote for President. Move on!!
This was a stupid article and a complete waste of time.
Andrzej Jonas – stop patronizing America. Obama or Romney will not make this country better. Poles voted two brothers for Prime Minister and President, and you want them to vote here? HELL NO.
Yes and the two Brothers were the best thing that happened for Poland in a long time.They were not afraid for standing up for Poland, unlike you President which the only thing he does is appologizes for America every where he goes. Remember knowing your countries history and its accomplishments is not that bad.
No foreign country wants a 1950's Cold War relic like Romney.
Romney needs a whole cadre of handlers to keep him from putting his foot in his mouth everytime he speaks.
The world doesn't need a rerun of George Bush.
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Obama would win in Poland? Not a surprise considering how many Polacks it takes to change a light bulb. They do make good pickles though.
Are you sure you have an idea? I bet the number of poles required to change a light bulb is far less than the number of
people required for you to spell your name. You are a complete bumbling racist idiot.
Hmmm, I think it was the Americans not Poles who chose Obama to be their president.
hmm, you think?
Yea, because ethnic jokes are SOOOOO funny, hahaha... NOT.
I don't care who Poland might vote for in a American election. They aren't part of the US. An article about Poland is fine, but the twist to the article is very strange.
I don't see why they don't vote. All they have to do is ask for an absentee ballot. If someone asks for proof that they are American citizens they just have to complain to Eric Holder or Pres. Obama and everything will be allright. The Dems would run interference for them from no to the end of eternity.
So, what I got from the article is that Obama would win because we recognize him (and what he hasn't done, has done but we don't care and how ignorant he is towards us) more than Romney (who hasn't done a thing at all, because well, he's not the president)? What are we, bafoons?
If Andrzej Jonas were a reporter he would report news instead of create it...Oh wait, He is writing for CNN
Obama wouldn't even get elected in France for crying out loud if it wasn't for the fresh third world immigrant freeloaders...
The problem is, Romney is an unknown for Americans too. He wants to keep it that way. Must have a lot to hide.
Look in a couple of months people will be asking the question Romey who?
Obama/Biden 2012 & Clinton/Reid 2016
Clinton/Reid 2016...Sound VERY VERY GOOD to me
Obama/Biden is almost a given for 2012....
This says it all "The problem is that it will be long after November before Americans, Poles or anyone else will know whether the next president – Obama or Romney – has been successful on this front". Obama has had four years and I have seen very little progress. I don't know for a fact that Romney will be alot better, but I think we need a new prospective. I am not a socialist and truely believe that is where Obama is heading, with long term goals of "World Government". Sorry, not for me, that is not the beliefs this country was founded on.
You are nothing like Patrick, he is intelligent and a real human being.
He has taken his family on a holiday to the ME.
Right now he is pi$$ing in the Red Sea and later he will be pi$$ing in the Arabian Gulf. Just think about that next time you go for a swim or eat some fish from these two places.
And just tell me HOW Obama is trying to make this country socialist when he's CUT TAXES for small, private-owned businesses and is a champion of Wall Street? Or is it better to just say crap off the tip of your tongue with no facts to back it up.
If Obama is re-elected with a GOP majority in either the House and/or Senate – NOTHING GETS ACCOMPLISHED !!!!
If Romney gets elected with a Democratic majority in either the House and/or Senate – NOTHING GETS ACCOMPLISHED !!!!
It's NOT ROCKET SCIENCE PEOPLE !!!! When President Obama makes promises he cannot live up too, it's because the GOP blocks everything he is trying to accomplish !!!! How do you think OBAMACARE suceeded?? EASY – The Democratic Party controlled both the House + a filibuster-proof Senate & had the White House too...THAT'S HOW OBAMACARE legislation passed.
Today, you have a Democratic President, GOP-controlled House and Democratic-controlled Senate...NOTHING GETS DONE !!!! You CANNOT HAVE GOP-controlled + Democratic-controlled if you seek change for the better !!!!
@Lisa
Poland had always carried its own weight, it was just cheated out many times.
Lets look at WWW2 Poland was a major contributor to the fall of Hitler. Polish soldiers were always used in the riskiest missions during the war, they were flying for the British defending their skies, and what they got after the war was Stalin. The West sold Poland to the communists and so Poland became enslaved by the Soviets for 50 years.America proposed a missle shield and Poland accepted it whole heartedly, and than Obama canceled it by trying to score some point with Putin, only to his suprise that Putin never returned the favor, and is vetoing any UN resolution that America proposes on Syria. So yes Poland is complaining because Poland is probably the only true friend that America has and America does not seem to understand that. America is looking for friends in all the wrong places and ignores a truefriend that it has in front of her.
By the way Poland is more into science than other European nations. Maybe it does not have sophisticated industries but that is the result of being under communist rule for 50 years. There is no eastern European country that was under communist rule that has any sophisticated industries. Also Poland paid more than a fair share for the F-16 that it received from the U.S and part of the purchase was that Poland would build parts of the plane.
I agree with you 100%
Yiour facts are right on the mark.
Right on Adam. YOU TELL THEM!!!!!
Poland dislikes Obama for multiple reasons. It is absolutely clear that they prefer anyone but Obama. "Poland wants a US president that keeps his word" was the phrase that stuck out from Romney's visit. They consider Obama a backstabber for catering to the Russians on missile defense. In general, all of America's traditional allies (UK, Israel, Poland) noticed that were sidelined by Obama as he opened up to America's traditional rivals.
I think its just plain incorrect to state that Poland would vote for Obama if given a chance.
Guess this sorta' reaffirms the stereotype of the Polish people...
reaffirms???? Really???Look who you guys are gonna choose on Nov 8th!!! Because that's almost a given. So if that reaffirms stereotype about us, what does that make you???? (Let me know if you want me to telll you, OK?)
Obama has disgraced America at least 70% of the time..................by opening his mouth. He's always blurting
out things that are better left unsaid.. Sorry folks! Obama did say he was going to visit all 57 states that make up
the United States. And, it was Obama who said the private sector is doing fine. It seems he does not take the time
necessary to think things through before blurting them out for the people to hear. Obama disgraced Poland and its
people. Obama owes Poland a sincere heart-felt apology. The only thing Obama has done is try to strip the American
people of all their freedoms. The only things he has ever promoted was socialism and communism. America has had
enough of Barack Hussein Obama. The last four years have been a devastating blow to the American economy. We,
the American people, have had enough of Obama.........................enough to last us a lifetime! Poland is full of good
hard-working people. I, apologize to all the Polish people. Mary Davis apologizes to each of you! I have polish friends
and I know them to be amazing people. Have a nice day to all and GOD BLESS US ALL!
This articvle is alot of Obama politics.
People in Poland think that obama is a joke and so was his bought and paid for eleection by George Saros.
The Polish peole would never vote for him..
Andrzej Jonas was pro Obama 4 years ago and here he is again.. more mis information.
Currently most of the LG televisions are built in Poland.
HP builds it's printers in Poland.
Samsung build telephones in Poland.
Toyota makes car parts in Poland.
and the list goes on..
Poland started the colapse of th eSoviet Union without any help form it;s fellow countires.
and now Poland has one of th elowest unemployment rates in Euriope.
Poland did this without loans from China (maybe the US can learn something).
Poland creates jobs it does not ship them overseas.
Hey Poland, we're done with Obama and you're welcome to him.
we have a lot of out own 'mistakes' we don't know how to get rid of...
If the Poles voted for the U.S. president, nobody would win because they are not qualified to vote in U.S. elections. Who came up with the dumb idea to write this article anyway? DUH?!!??!
Which Poles are you talking about. The millions of Polish-Americans, many of whom I know, myself included, are qualified to vote. The problem is not that we cannot vote. The problem is that we are stuck between a pro-abortion candidate and a non-Catholic [Mormon] candidate! Those who allowed this to happen, owe the Nation an apology!
If it was dark outside, half of Poland would also try to fly into the sun. Vote for Romney if you want to save America from communism and collapse,
What another piece of crap propaganda on this website. I don't care if the author is Polish...Andrzej Jonas. He is first and foremost a Democrat and Obama supporter. I challenge CNN to have a scientific poll taken and you will find Obama would lose. The main reason Poland is not as pro-America has been Obama's treatment of them. Forget the opinion Andrzej, let's do a real poll!
Romney is an adequate liar, he may have pulled off the snow job. To go to a Union country and claim to be pro-union when you obviously are anything but – hopefully the Poles send us lots of letters asking. We'll tell them.
Theres no difference between democraps and repubelicans anymore. Both support the exact same policies, the same agends, and are rich beyond belief..... on our tax dollars. Both stood in lockstep to bail out bankers with out tax money, in the biggest HEIST in history. They support more wars for Israel, and less everything for the United states.
Spot on! Two left hands of American Establishment, which one to choose.... Like it makes any difference!
How true your statement above rings, no choice. The Military Industrial Complex now owns both political parties and runs almost everything in Washington D.C. these days!!!
So Jonas thinks Obama knows so much about Poland while Romney doesn't. Amazing.
CNN has such a hard-on for Obama. They just grasping at straws publishing up-beat news articles to try and sway your vote. Personally, I'd like to see Obama just plain quit. Don't be a CNN lemming.
Any Pole who is for OBAMA is a DUMB POLLACK... and I say that as a proud American of Polish descent whose family members have died in the Nazi concentration Camp in Auschwitz, in the Polish Underground, in the Polish Home Army, in the Soviet camps in Siberia and Nazi prisons in Germany. Andrzej Jonas could just be a fool an puppet, but in truth he is not.. he is a calculated self motivated man who will sell out his country for personal fame and fortune. OBAMA is wholly ignorant of the facts. And quite frankly capable and willing to sell out Poland and the entire region back to Russian domination. Poles need to be vocal, seek out the Andrzej Jonas' and know THEY are the danger to a free and independent Poland.
You're one dumb POLLACK for making this comment. Poles are 0.0000000000000000000001% of America's population and their vote doesn't make a difference. Got it!
YES!!!! Because Barack is Irish........er African.....er ..um...YES!!. Sadly, neoLibs have taken over parts of that world and do not remember, do chose to ignore the history of demonc slavery to a centralized power....
Oddly, Andrzej Jonas is probably right. If voters in Poland had a say, President Obama would win. Moreover, if Polonia in the U.S. had a say, again, mr. Obama would win. Why this is so? Poland today, and Polonia, are dominated by the leftists and feminists, and in that order! This, to me, spells doom for the efforts to return morality and common sense to both Poland and the U.S.! Does Mitt Romney get this? I doubt. Not if his advisors are Mormons!
You know as much about politics as you do about Polish freedoms. Polish people are free to be brainwashed daily- that is about it.In the past it was from the East, now it is from the West. The Polish press is in the hands of Globalists like Michnik. If you ever watched the series "Rancho" the brainwashing is clear as a bell. "People who want Poland for Poles are depicted as Skinheads". Anything that is not a part of Globalist Agenda is portrayed as old thinking,wrong.People repeat like parrots English words like.sorry,super till it got into the daily Polish. Since the Poles are exposed to so many lies , how would they know Obama or Romney and that they both represent the rich 1% and no change will come from any voting. Both Romney and Obama represent the Big Money Combine which cares only about profits and cares little about people.
Well said, rightospeak. How so very true that is!!!
I love it when screaming Liberal's log on w/ some creative "blog name" (right czerpack)...... and spout how "Pol's" are raciest.....what a bunch of bull squeeze. Poland is a very conservative nation... and yes Mr Reagan had a lot to do w/ that. Pol's have a lot of experience w/ "fascism"...... which is essentially ... Liberalism. Yeah... they'll vote for Obumer...stop spinning the fact's. Poland is rather new to the democracy gig...... however......ever been to Britain....it's more rough looking than Poland. Britain is about far to the left as you can go..... oh yeah.... they'll doing real well huh. Not. Even Merkel of Germany has told Obumer to his face.....that he is destroying America. Many European leader's have. So much for the Holly Wood "swagger". They laugh at the fool. Even socialistic Europe told Obumer...no we can't spend any more.... we don't have the money....we're cutting programs. Poland has been a great ally.....and I believe it's because they knew what it was like to live under tyranny. That's why a lot of eastern European nation's gave troop's to fight in the War on Terrorism...or as Obumer would call it..."man made disaster"...what a moron. Poland and other's jumped at the chance to liberate 35 million people.