GOP must wise up over immigration policy
August 30th, 2012
10:46 AM ET

GOP must wise up over immigration policy

By Marshall Fitz, Special to CNN

Marshall Fitz is the director of immigration policy at American Progress Action Fund. The views expressed are his own.

Even before Hurricane Isaac forced the reconfiguration of the Republican Party convention, party leaders were scrambling to confront a looming storm surge: The demographic wave rapidly reshaping the national electorate. Hispanics are the fastest growing group of voters in the United States and they will soon make up the majority of new voters in battleground states. Party influentials like Florida Governor Jeb Bush have started to sound the alarm, calling his party’s posture towards Latinos “stupid.”

But national polling shows Governor Mitt Romney on course to earn an even smaller share of this growing group of voters than the last GOP candidate, John McCain. A tracking poll released this week reveals Mitt Romney trailing President Barack Obama 26 percent to 65 percent among Latino registered voters. If Romney wants to close that gap, he’s going to need a better position on immigration than the recently released Republican Party platform, which adopts the most extreme measures.

As the country gets younger and browner, the base of the GOP is getting older and whiter. Those inverted trend lines undoubtedly spell trouble, especially given the toxic impact the party’s inflammatory anti-immigrant rhetoric has had on the party’s ability to attract newcomers.

Unsurprisingly, as with all voters, the economy and jobs rank as the top priorities of Latinos. But immigration also ranks high because it is a personal issue for immigrants and Latinos. Over half of Latino voters in a June 2011 poll said they knew someone who is undocumented. More importantly, as Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) and others have openly recognized, it is a “gateway issue”:  You can’t expect to get through the door to these voters with an economic message if you hurl insults from the sidewalk in advance.

So what are Republicans doing to address this obvious impediment? One tactic in the effort to ride – rather than get crushed by – this Latino wave has been on display at the convention, where prominent speaking roles have been accorded to several Latino elected officials.

But even at an event like a national political convention where money flows like the Mississippi River, talk is still cheap. When juxtaposed against the party’s most recent actions, it is clear that these efforts to soften the rhetoric and present a more diverse façade are running into the cold, hard reality of a party beholden to immigration extremists.

The just adopted Republican Platform shows who is really calling the shots when it comes to immigration: Kris Kobach and the far right anti-immigrant movement. Kobach, Romney’s informal immigration advisor and the author of Arizona’s noxious immigration legislation that was recently largely struck down as unconstitutional, helped construct a platform that is a collection of the most extreme immigration enforcement initiatives.

The centerpiece of the platform’s immigration section is Romney’s fairy tale self-deportation policy. The idea is to make life so miserable for millions of undocumented people and their U.S. citizen family members that they will decide on their own to leave the country. This unrealistic and economically self-defeating end would be achieved through a series of costly and counterproductive measures. The Center for American Progress has already calculated that driving the roughly 12 million people living in the U.S. without papers in 2010 out of the country would put a $2.6 trillion hole in cumulative GDP over 10 years. And the likelihood that people will voluntarily leave is remote given that more than 85 percent of them have been living in the United States for more than seven years.

The measures designed to achieve this end include expanding programs that turn local cops into immigration agents, programs that lead inevitably to racial profiling. It also relies on making E-Verify, the nation’s flawed internet-based work-authorization system, mandatory for all employers – this in spite of the fact that the system is only 46 percent accurate in detecting unauthorized workers, and a Congressional Budget Office estimate put the cost of implementing the program at $17.3 billion over 10 years.

Perhaps most startling is the platform’s clear opposition to the president’s program to grant a temporary reprieve from deportation for DREAM Act-eligible kids. Not only is this program smart policy, it is also wildly popular with Latinos and favored by a 2-1 margin by independents.

In sum, if the GOP truly laments the alienation of Latino voters, they will need more than softer rhetoric and trotting out some Latino front men. They need to stop the party’s extremist tail from continuing to wag the leadership dog.

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Topics: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Elections • Immigration • Mitt Romney

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  1. GOP Word Association

    WORD = GOP Association
    Old People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
    Sick People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
    Poor People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
    Female People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
    Non-white People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
    Non-christian People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
    Unemployed People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
    Gay People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
    Glob of cells in a womb = Something we PRETEND to care about just to get votes.
    Gun Control = Something ELSE we PRETEND to care about to get dumb redneck votes.

    August 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm | Reply
    • D. Porter

      Hmmm... Speaking of cells maybe you should ask who Comrade O why he has so many eugenics freaks in his cabinet, eh? Talk about a bunch of ghouls....

      August 30, 2012 at 1:47 pm | Reply
      • Hahahahahahahahah

        At least we know what the D. stands for. Hahahahahahahahah

        August 30, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Granger

      wow...what a drone.

      August 30, 2012 at 3:23 pm | Reply
    • DavidL

      That sums up the GOP very well.
      Or, a more succinct way to put it:

      GOP = Fascism

      August 30, 2012 at 3:52 pm | Reply
      • Latina4Romney

        from merriam-webster:
        Fascism:
        "often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

        The repuplican party is for smaller government, more rights to the indivual citizen, far from any dictorial rule... how then are they fascist?

        August 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
      • us_1776

        Fascism is extreme rightwing political philosophy and you can verify on ANY Eco-Poli chart.

        GOP current policies and positions fall exactly in line with Fascism.

        .

        August 30, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
      • D. Porter

        Say what? The most prolific and vile fascist to date is Comrade ObaMao..... a complete crook.

        August 30, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
      • Oliver

        D. Porter are you really so undereducated that you don't know that fascism and communism are opposite ends of the political spectrum? How could "comrade" Obama also be fascist? The republicans are busy stealing education funds and firing teachers, so that they can develop right wing, uninformed voters like yourself. Here is the deal. Read a book or stop pretending you know.

        August 30, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
      • j. von hettlingen

        The GOP has itself to blame for, if its candidate loses the elections in November. It's amazing that the GOP tends to adopt myopic policies and has no visions. What Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney have been touting is not visions but turning America's clock back.

        September 2, 2012 at 7:35 am |
    • Hunsaker

      How stupid, cold, wrong, leftist, hateful and sooooo democrat. Wake up America.

      August 30, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Reply
  2. allthingsgeography1

    Reblogged this on All Things Geography and commented:
    When it comes to illegal immigration, I think one needs to recognize first that most of these folks are leaving their homelands out of desperation...basically, they don't want to starve or be in ridiculous poverty anymore and so even cheap change by American standards is better money than what they are paid back in their homelands. So, while yes, we should recognize that laws are being broken, we should also have a sense of compassion and mercy for those who are suffering and looking for something better. Just as we would want if America were in the same position (and really no nation supremacy lasts forever, so who says we won't be one day in the distant future). With that in mind, we really can't have people just walking across the border whenever they feel like it. Borders exist for a reason, maybe one day we will have a borderless world, but for now, they exist and must be respected. And so must the laws which comes with those borders. I would fully support the illegal immigrants who are already here to be given amnesty with some penalties, while at the same time enhancing border security and making laws which punish businesses severely for hiring illegal immigrants. If you don't do ALL of those things comprehensively, you risk something backfiring (you give amnesty, but then allow more illegal immigrants to cross freely and get jobs without penalties to business, then the problem starts up again). That's pretty much the only solution I have to this geographic problem. There's clearly nothing wrong with immigration in an of itself. Without it, the population of the United States would actually be in decline because the born-population isn't have enough kids to outdo the death rate. The more the merrier to maintain economic strength. The whole idea of "they're coming and taking our jobs!" is bit of a misnomer as one's particular job already has connections on multiple levels, from a community to a world scale and is not somehow restricted to a border, even though such borders exist. However, illegal immigration means you do have people who are non-citizens or non-legal residents taking work and in many cases sending the money back to the home nation of which they originated, which may be more helpful for those economies and not for the American one. As you can see, this is a complex set of issues, which is probably why no one seems to want to touch it. Again, in short...grant amnesty for the ones who are already here (with tax penalties), increase border security, severely penalize businesses who are found to hire illegal immigrants and maybe take a second look at streamlining the process to becoming a US citizen/legal resident or gaining work visas.

    August 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm | Reply
    • D. Porter

      Whoever wrote that BS either has a short memory, has a burning desire to start a civil war, wants to destroy the country, or is completely out of his mind.

      In 1986 the corrupt US government promised a secure border and aggressive immigration law enforcement in exchange for a ONE TIME AMNESTY for about 1.6 million invaders. Instead we got no enforcement, a border that remains wide open, and 3.6 million stinkin' invaders. Got it? And said invaders continue to flood in. What do you think will happen if we amnesty millions more of these parasites now that we have a corrupt America-hating globalist who behaves like a dictator in the White House, eh? We'd wind up with chaos.

      August 30, 2012 at 1:43 pm | Reply
      • justthefacts

        There has been less illegal immigration under President Obama and more deporation of illegal immigrats than under GW Bush. It sounds to me like you just hate President Obama.... We desperately need to change our immigration policy to make it easier for people like the ones to whom Obama just gave the reprieve to apply for and get citizenship. In addition, why are we making it so difficult for people that come her to get college and post grad diplomas to actually work here???? We need these qualified people

        August 30, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
      • safa002

        Maybe we should deport you to the moon, where everything is white. US doesn't belong to you people anymore, it's the world's country. I'm a US citizen but I care for those who are not, they are human beings. In fact you know what, now that there's a black man on the white house we need to put a latino in the white house. Agree or don't agree? I don't give a ....

        August 30, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
      • D. Porter

        Say safa002..... it's fools like you and your non-thinking ilk that are turning the United States into a turd and frijole sandwich.

        That tin pot dictator in the White House is a mulatto who is mostly white, but he is 100% treasonous and corrupt.

        You want to put what in the White House? Great.... the Hubcap Thief in Chief. Brilliant.

        August 30, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
      • Oliver

        You ignorant racist. I wonder where your family is from that you can claim immigration is truly a problem. Immigration built this country into the superpower it is. "Give us your tired your poor, your hungry, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."

        August 30, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Karl from AZ

      The man (or woman) who robs the local 7/11 also wants the better things in life: MORON!

      August 30, 2012 at 3:39 pm | Reply
    • Miquel

      "Listed below are several of the arguments that have been used by misguided people to try and justify illegal immigration. Next to each is the reason why each of these arguments has no merit. (I wish I could claim the arguments below as my own- but I cannot- I took them from another CNN poster a few years ago as I truly felt it should be posted OVER and OVER again)
      1) They are an economic necessity – Not true. The idea that a bunch of desperately poor, uneducated, unskilled, illegal foreigners are an economic necessity is ludicrous. In fact, when you compare cost vs. benefit, it is obvious that they are not only NOT a necessity; they are not even an asset. Rather, they are a liability and a huge one at that.
      2) They do work Americans won’t do – Not true. They do work Americans won’t do for $5 an hour (especially if Americans can collect welfare and unemployment forever as they can in most states). Of course, if you got rid of the illegals, the jobs wouldn’t pay $5 an hour. The people who wanted the work done would have to pay a wage that was attractive enough to get Americans to do the work. And it might even be enough so Americans could support themselves and get off welfare and unemployment!!
      3) They work & contribute to our society – So do I. And if I break the law and commit crimes, I can expect to pay a penalty of some kind. Anything from a small fine to the death penalty. I do NOT get rewarded. This argument makes no sense.
      4) They are just trying to make better lives – Aren’t we all? The difference is that most of us understand that we don’t have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that we find difficult to acquire by legal means. And we certainly don’t have the right to do it in a foreign country. Mexico does not allow foreigners to enter their country illegally and break it’s laws. If you believe differently, go give it a try. Call me collect from the dungeon. Let me know how it went.....
      5) It is impossible to round up and deport the illegals – We don’t have to. All we have to do is remove the incentives that brought them here in the first place. No jobs. No housing. No services. No benefits. Once we remove the incentives that brought them here, they will leave on their own.
      6) It would be too expensive to round them up and deport them – See #5.
      7) Immigration control is racist – This is just another play of the race card by people who have no other cards to play. Immigration control is the world-wide status quo. There is nothing racist about it. Furthermore, the USA welcomes LEGAL immigrants of all races and ethnicities from all over the world who have gone through the legal immigration process. This is not just a bad argument, it is an attempt to create hatred and division.
      8) We are a nation of immigrants – We are a nation that has, historically, allowed and even encouraged legal immigration. And we continue to do so. The issue at hand is illegal immigration, which has nothing to do with legal immigration. This argument is totally irrelevant.
      9) They are people. We must treat them humanely – Yes & yes. But lets not pretend like they are victims who were dragged here kicking and screaming against their will. Nothing could be further from the truth. They came of their own free will and for their own benefit and they broke the law to do it. People should not be rewarded for breaking laws and committing crimes. Sending them home is the right thing to do. There is nothing “draconian” about it.
      "

      September 4, 2012 at 11:37 pm | Reply
  3. D. Porter

    This claptrap and outright propaganda is straight from a loathsome America-hating George Soros-funded outfit. It is pure caca del toro.

    The fetid Fitz may not have a thing to fret about, though. Methinks we may have another traitorous progressive Republican the likes the Bush's in Mittens Romney. See http://goo.gl/SRLFw where this appears:

    ...Back in Tampa, no sooner had grass-roots activists finished carving their strict stance onto the platform tablet, than Romney surrogate John Sununu took a chisel to it. Forget what it says, he told Spanish-language media. America needs "a comprehensive package," including a deal for young illegal immigrants brought here by their parents. He said that Romney wants that and two other things: "One is the expanded guest-worker program. One is the expanded program for visas."

    August 30, 2012 at 12:49 pm | Reply
    • Oliver

      For someone who claims democrats hate america, you sure seem to hate democrats, the president, the government, our system of laws, diversity, separation of church and state and freedom to decide for yourself.

      August 30, 2012 at 5:41 pm | Reply
  4. David Leopold

    Reblogged this on @DavidLeopold and commented:
    Excellent blog

    August 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Reply
  5. GOP is pro immigration....LEGAL immigration from ETHICAL countries

    CNN and fareed are the most nakedly transparent shills for obama...this aint "news", itts PROPAGANDA.

    August 30, 2012 at 2:19 pm | Reply
    • AC

      Really ? IS GOP pro LEGAL immigration?
      How? let them suggest a plan/path to Farm workers for the south to legally migrate into US. They today comprise almost completely of illegal immigrants. and Romney's ideal is to get them to self deport.
      Ask any person from South America or Asia and he will tell u how difficult and frustrating it is for even good educated or enterprunal people to legally immigrate to US. Let GOP suggest a plan to make it easier.
      Just saying GOP is pro legal immigration doesnt make them so. we have had lots of GOP congresses and presidents for decades but no one has shown any genueine intreset in doing this.

      August 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Reply
      • AC

        Neither of the parties relly care about reforming immigration.
        They both are pro/anti amnesty to keep their vote banks happy.
        But actually immigration reform is not on either ones agenda. Because immigrants cannot vote

        August 30, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
      • Latina4Romney

        AC

        "Neither of the parties relly care about reforming immigration." This the full truth regarding immigration.
        Neither want reform or change. But what is more frustrating is the stick Democrats keep holding at the noses of Latinos over immigration, it shameful!

        August 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
  6. mikey

    Illegal immigrants could receive more than $7 billion this year in federal tax credits, according to one estimate, thanks to a loophole in the law that allows people not authorized to work to reap the government payments with no questions asked. Based on recent trends, illegal immigrants could receive roughly $7.4 billion through a provision known as the Additional Child Tax Credit. That's more than quadruple what the payout was four years ago.

    August 30, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Reply
  7. steven harnack

    Can anybody find d. porter? I have some bags that need to be put on the train. What? You say the train left the station without d. porter? I think that the train has left the station without the entire GOP.

    August 30, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Reply
    • Karl from AZ

      Steven, are you really this stupid naturally or did you have to work at it?

      August 30, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Reply
  8. Karl from AZ

    To the author of this article: 'Pendejo'!

    August 30, 2012 at 3:40 pm | Reply
  9. Latina4Romney

    "As the country gets younger and browner, the base of the GOP is getting older and whiter." Obviously, this writer is blind to the growing numbers of young, brown and young republicans. I am one of those, Mr. Fitz... may I add that I'm also a female.
    It's frustrating to see that same line over and over again, knowing the facts are totally ignored here.

    August 30, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • George

      They can't lure in Hispanics because their base won't let them lure in Hispanics. Read these messages, they say the same things about blacks..."They want free healthcare, welfare, tax credits, they commit crimes, etc." It's the same song, just a different tune. They COULD make in-roads with many groups if they could shed the loonies screaming from the rafters. None of them are willing to be brave and step out of line too far because they will get crushed by some TEA Party robot spouting off about "American exceptionalism."

      August 30, 2012 at 4:26 pm | Reply
  10. DavidL

    GOP - The easiest, surest, Fascist way to ruin the economy.

    Who in their right mind would want another 4 years of Republicans after the hell we went through 2001-2009?
    Ok yes, I know, another fascist republican would.

    August 30, 2012 at 3:56 pm | Reply
  11. Boston Blackie

    Fitz is just another left wing pantywaist and a crusader for all things weird like he is! Rubbish and garbage are his ratings. Ignore them, ignore no character Obama and set the country forward again. Go Romney/Ryan!

    August 30, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Reply
  12. Hopeful

    Why does CNN print this drivel> I am tired of unbiased reporting and constant bashing of the rightwing

    August 30, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Reply
    • justthefacts

      Huh? Did you mean biased reporting? Did you realize this is an opinion piece, not reporting at all?

      August 30, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Reply
  13. Hunsaker

    What kind of country do you leftist think, or do you even care, America will be if we continue to allow millions into our country who, in fact, hate us and want to tear us apart? I am talkiing about MOST illegal Mexicans comming here, of course. Many Mexican immigrients are good and caring people and respect America. MOST do not! Wake up America.

    August 30, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Reply
  14. Latina4Romney

    As a Latina Republican all I can do is laugh at the opinions of Mr. Fitz. Here is California it's a big agruement over Pres. Obama's FALSE promises and LIES to the Latino community. When are Latinos going to wake up and see that historically, Latinos and the poor have done worst under a Democrat administration. He had 2 full years to put something in the books and didn't. The only time he visited California, was to dine with the elite here and gain $$.

    My sister works for a well known spanish station. What they've seen is a big divide between those that have tired of Democrats pulling the immigration card when it suits them and those that are willing to give him one more chance because of his recent 'dream act' support. It's demeaning and insulting!! In Mexico's recent election the people have forgottan the extreme corruption of the PRI and voted the party that stole millions from them back into office.!! Oh my goodness, people!

    Democrats have NEVER brought real reform to a long term immigration issue. I'm not excusing the Republican party for avoiding this issue either. But, as another commentor mentioned; NEITHER PARTY WANTS REAL REFORM!!! Why??? Because it's about money and votes. And both parties are guilty of it.

    I'll vote for Romney because I care about the lives of my kids, the debt THEY WILL inherit, the chances they may not have for the pursuit of happiness. Something I KNOW republicans care more about then the Dems. I don't want a hand out I want a hand UP... If you all thing Pres. Obama is going to provide that you with a better and acheivable future; my friends you are naive and really need to look at his policies and see how in the world it can be sustained in the long term.....
    It CAN'T!.

    August 30, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Reply
  15. gmenfan54

    The GOP has already insulted every minority segment of our society.

    August 30, 2012 at 4:14 pm | Reply
  16. juan

    How could we rely on e person, who's belief system is based on the said aparition of a subject out of nowhere -referring to Joseph Smith. Is he, mr. Romny, trying to lead us from the shaddows?
    best wishes

    August 30, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Reply
  17. mybackyardproject

    Death rattles of the GOP!

    August 30, 2012 at 4:22 pm | Reply
  18. us_1776

    Romney gets back on message:

    GOP hates women.
    GOP hates blacks
    GOP hates Latinos
    GOP hates gays
    GOP hates the elderly
    GOP hates the poor
    GOP hates the sick
    GOP hates the disabled

    Did we leave anybody out?

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    August 30, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Reply
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    August 30, 2012 at 4:35 pm | Reply
  20. aaarkerio

    Since 1850 until 1970 the US-Mexico border was nothing, nada. Not just a rusty wire in the middle of nothing. Many cities and towns were crossed by the border and nobody realized. Mexicans don't wanna left Mexico and for 120 years they didn't.

    The roots of gran mexican immigration was the US policy to give huge subsides to US farmers since 1965 even if nothing was harvesting. In few years the mexican farms were unprofitable, nobody is going to pay $70 bucks for a Ton of mexican wheat if you can get the US wheat for $40. All this happened when 38% of Mexico's labor force was in the fields. Mexicans can be ignorants but they are not stupid, they crossed the border by millions because the jobs were there and they changed the demographic profile of US forever.

    But that is something that all that Washington genious must be thought before kill the mexican agriculture with their socialist policies.

    August 30, 2012 at 5:06 pm | Reply
    • DanW

      Nothing personal, aaarkerio, but I take more seriously arguments that are put forth with proper spelling and grammar.

      August 30, 2012 at 10:33 pm | Reply
      • aaarkerio

        Following that logic the half of Einstein conferences in english are worthless.

        August 30, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
  21. anotherview

    Illegal aliens have no right to live and work in America. Illegal aliens hold 7 million non-farm jobs citizens could fill. Remedies exist for removing these “foreign nationals unlawfully in this country“ (AKA illegal aliens).
    ILLEGAL ALIEN REMOVAL PROGRAMS:
    SECURE COMMUNITIES PROGRAM. –This federal program aims to identify and deport criminal aliens. [found at: http://www.ice.gov/secure_communities/ ]
    SECTION 287(g). DELEGATION OF IMMIGRATION AUTHORITY. –This federal program trains local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration law. [found at: http://www.ice.gov/news/library/factsheets/287g.htm ]
    E-VERIFY. - This federal program aids an employer to determine if new hires have a right to work in America. [found at: http://www.dhs.gov/files/programs/gc_1185221678150.shtm%5D
    A bill presently in the House of Representatives, the Legal Workforce Act (H.R. 2885), would require employers to verify the right to work of current employees as well. Please support this bill. With no job, illegal aliens will self-deport, at their own expense. America can get along without illegal aliens, and will prosper all the more.

    August 30, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Reply
  22. DanW

    Listening to Rubio. He could give the exact same speech at the Democratic convention. I see a good political future for this guy.

    August 30, 2012 at 10:31 pm | Reply
  23. magyart

    Aisians are the fastest growing minority and they are doing it LEGALLY. We accept a million LEGAL immigrants annually.Millions more are waiting in line. Billions of people would come here if there were no barriers. ILLEGAL migrants unfairly cut in line. They have refused the legal pathway and ignored many other laws.

    ILLEGAL migrants have done nothing to deserve a pathway to citizenship. Send them home and accept the next immigrant, waiting in line.

    Vote AGAINST Obama and every politician that suppots ILLEGAL migrants, over LEGAL residents.

    August 30, 2012 at 10:45 pm | Reply
  24. Matt A.

    Where are the federal dollars coming from to ensure illegals maintain their standard of living in the U.S?

    Another special interest group spawned by short sighted and nonsensical policies.

    September 1, 2012 at 11:32 pm | Reply

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