By Jason Miks
GPS Editor Jason Miks speaks with Bill Keller, former executive editor of the New York Times, about media bias and the presidential campaign. Watch Keller on "Fareed Zakaria GPS" this Sunday at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. ET.
Both presidential candidates have come in for criticism for playing hard and fast with the truth during the campaign. How bad has this campaign really been, and is the media doing enough to hold the candidates to account?
In the heat of it, we always think it’s the worst election ever, but I’m sure there have been other elections where the misstating of facts and the outright fabrications have been more egregious than they are in this one.
I think by and large this election cycle will be remembered as the coming of age of the fact checker. My newspaper, the New York Times, has done fact checking for several election cycles, but there has been a really big commitment to it this time. The Washington Post has been doing this, and there are websites like PolitiFact that exist only to fact check statements made in the campaign and in the advertisements, and I think that’s a real public service.
It’s a dream that you can get candidates to only speak careful, nuanced truths in a campaign. Even when they’re not abusing the facts, they are putting a questionable spin on them. So the only antidote to that is that someone watches closely and points out when they get it wrong. Social media has been a big contributor to this and has raised the level of skepticism. Sometimes I think it has turned us into a nation of cynics, but it has contributed considerably to the likelihood that if you say something that’s false, you’ll get caught.
Speaking of fact checking, there sometimes seems a temptation in the media when holding either side to account for their statements for them to try too hard to be even-handed, and they end up creating a false equivalence. Is that a fair assessment?
Yes, and it’s a danger that doesn’t just apply to fact checking. There is a potential in journalism in aiming to be impartial, that you develop a misleading impartiality in that you always treat two opposing positions as equal. That didn’t originate in the fact checking business, and it’s something to be on guard against. I think editors and reporters have to watch very closely to make sure we’re not giving one to the other side, whether it deserves it or not in an attempt to be even handed.
But it’s also important that we’re seen as impartial, so you also want to second guess yourself when you’re doing these stories – you need to ask yourself if you are going too easy on one candidate or the other. And you need to ask yourself if you’re just responding to what the talking heads said on the TV after the debate. That said, I read a lot of the fact checking out there and find it quite helpful, and amongst the serious fact checking outfits there’s plenty of nuance and fairness.
The talking heads were scathing about President Obama’s debate performance last week. Did the commentary fairly reflect his performance?
I think Obama had a really, really bad night. But what I think has gotten less attention is that Romney had a really good night. I did a blog post the next day, the headline of which was “Scoring Obama’s debacle”. That tells you what I thought of it. I did watch the talking heads on Fox and MSNBC, and it’s sometimes entertaining to toggle back and forth between the two. In an election year as polarizing as this one it’s interesting to see the two takes, and sometimes it’s from the friction between the two of them that you get a sharper sense in your own mind of what you’ve just watched.
Some argue that the rise of channels such as MSNBC and Fox News creates a troubling echo chamber effect as viewers are only exposed to their own point of view. Does this worry you?
It does. I think the kind of MSNBC/Fox news dichotomy is a symptom of a larger, polarized quality in our public conversation. The same is true on the internet. You can easily put together a diet of news and information that just confirms your prejudices. I don’t think it’s the end of the world, but it does cause me some serious concern because I think it contributes to the kind of gridlock you get in Washington where one party is pandering to one audience that only listens to MSNBC or reads Daily Kos, while another is pandering to an audience that reads Tea Party websites and watches Fox News. I’m something of a centrist, so I find this a little disconcerting.
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It's easy enough to figure out. It's all about the money. The media is controlled by big money. That it has a liberal bias has to be the biggest joke, or scam, or B.S. or whatever you want to call it because outside of the token liberals on MSNBC it just doesn't exist. CNN is a subtler version of Fox News and ABC is right there with them.
thank you !
Who owns the media: Disney, Comcast, GE, Microsoft, Time Warner, Sumner Redstone, and Newscorp.
Not a single liberal in that group. It is obvious.
What this thread points out is that we are all so biased and vitriolic that we can't even agree on what bias is.
One thing is clear: We are all intolerant.
It's disturbing if certain media try to brainwash the public with populism and chauvinism.
I had to laugh when I read that new organizations try to be even handed when it comes to politics. This is so far from the truth that the rest of the article loses is credibility as well.
Whatever, even with FOX news you republicans still cry about the bias of the media and how unfair everything is, whatever. I think it is because you idiots are wrong so often you just get tired of the truth being put back out.
This so true. come to think of Keller saying Romney had a really good night whiles in the same article lamenting about lies of politicians. Style over substance? ha ha haa. These media editors/writers get paid tons of money to spew nonsense without accountability.
Mr. Keller certainly isn't complaining about the NY Times' bias towards Israel is he?
That's simply not true. Fox News leans to the right. MSNBC is vehemently left. Talk radio is mostly hard to the right. NPR is hard left, but subtle. Newspapers and news magazines are very liberal, though how much objectivity they have varies quite a bit from one to another, with only a few being truly fair and very, very few leaning to the right. Hollywood is about as far left as MSNBC, and they absolutely push their point of view in much of what they produce. The rest of the media is heavily dominated by liberals who mostly think they're being objective, but their bias is obvious to any conservative, and frankly should be just as obvious to moderates as well. ABC, CBS, and NBC news are no better or worse about this than CNN. Liberals like you only think they're fair because you agree with most of what they say, and if you're saying that CNN is conservative, it's because you're so far to the left that you can't even see the middle from where you're standing.
Even your perception like mine and everyone else's is askew. Take your statement that Fox news "leans" to the right. Come on!
The reason I say Fox News "leans" to the right is because I actually watch it. It has Hannity, who is a blow-hard and clearly way to the right, but it also has Geraldo who is to the left, Greta, who is probably a Democrat, Huckabee, who is anything but vehement, O'Reilly, a populist who is very vehement but frequently takes a left-of-center view, The Five which has four moderate-to-hard conservatives and one liberal, and Bret Baier whose show is very fair despite being conservative....then the rest of the day populated with just straight news reporting (prominently featuring Shep, who's a liberal but hides it well). Compared to MSNBC, which is so vitriolic that even dyed-in-the-wool communists realize its bias, yeah...Fox News "leans" to the right.
I don't think you'll ever see a Fox News host get angry at the Republican presidential candidate having a bad debate, and responding that said candidate needs to watch Fox News to see how to debate a liberal.
Those who think that Fox is very far to the right are confused because their delusion tells them that they are centerists. The truth is, when weighed againt what the average American believes, Fox is a little to the right, C N N is a little to the left and M S N B C is very far to the left.
Fox LEANS...
Fox is the GOP Pravda... PERIOD!
To all who would equate Fox News with MSNBC: show me the morning show on Fox that can be equated to "Morning Joe". To all who equate Fox News with MSNBC, let's try a little experiment, watch each channel an equal amount of time. Find a lefty, borrow a copy of "The Nation", or "Mother Jones" and read it front to back (your socialist library will probably have a copy you can browse for free, if you don't know any lefties). I don't form my opinions on the Democrats from the stuff I hear on Fox and I don't form my opinion on the Republicans from the stuff I hear on MSNBC. Don't let anyone tell you what to think or believe, read, question, listen, go to other web sites and decide for yourself.
Sean, you are gravely mistaken. Geraldo is a right winger, and O'Reilly is as far to the right as Hannity. For you to somehow think O'Reilly is a moderate populist shows how distorted your views are. Fox is as far to the right as MSNBC is to the left, the difference is that MSNBC doesn't deny it has a particular leaning, while Fox tries to pretend it's just a news channel. Every single time I look at Fox, which is almost daily at the gym, they are reporting something negative about Obama or democrats. That is not "fair and balanced" news. Look, most of their political consultants are Romney campaign staffers!
Sean, thank you for adding reason and balance to this discussion.
It won't make a bit of difference, but it's nice to read a well-defended position that isn't simply a regurgitation of someone's talking points coated in ad hominem.
FoxNews leans to the right. That is not true, It is far right, instead. If we cannot clarify it is good or bad, it is dangerous. Mr. Jobs (Ex-Apple CEO) said FoxNews will destroy this country in the long run with its only view to conservative and attack on liberals on the time.
It is very dangerous that FoxNews has done in las 10 years in news industry. It create division in society.
Jas. Fyi. People can argue that fox only leans right compared to the extreme hard right like the tea party. My father is a member of the tea party and he scorns fox news for "never telling the real truth"
Go ahead ignore all the research done by liberal universities.
The whole purpose of the Tea Party is to get the spending under control...it is really not a right or left wing issue. It is a math issue.
one more time Scott = troll. Have a good nigh
Great comment Sean – We can no longer believe the media. We will now question anything stated as fact. The preperation of lies is now a science. God help us if this gets any worse.
fox news is hard right. there is no lean to it. you ask for a show to prove it. hannity, fox and friends. the o'reilly factor, glenn beck till he was cancelled. any and every other show on the network. you say npr is left. npr is as closed to balanced and unbiased as you'll find in american media. although i certainly agree that they are ran by newage hippies the fact is npr tries to present the news as news and not opinion pieces disguised as news. you might feel as if they unfairly target your side because your side is a bit more unbalanced in the garbage they do and get caught with. that's just a fact of life, deal with it. it goes to what he was saying in the article that people tend to try to appear balanced by treating both sides as equals. that's not the case. when 80% of the "facts" that rnc ads use are out right lies compared to 40% for the dnc tthat is a bad thing all the way around. but to say that it's the same isn't even close. the gop can't tell the truth even a quarter of the time.
I watched "All in the Family" for the first time in many years and was surprised how much Archie Bunker sounded like a typical Tea Party guy. I bet he would be watching Fox news 24/7 if he were real.
NPR doesn't lean in any direction. It's unbiased and honest. How interesting that you believe it has a left bias. That tells us all a great deal about you and your prejudices.
My news come from the BBC. If you want unbiased information, find the BBC and watch there. They report unbiased information. Otherwise you're getting slanted news.
My dad is ill and has come to live with me. He is a news/politics junkie, and the tv is ALWAYS on now. I didn't actually have a tv set up before he moved in, so this has been interesting for me, even if annoying at times. He watches Morning Joe on MSNBC and for the rest of the day switches between Fox and MSNBC (to get a real balance, he says). I get my news from NPR and CNN online. I definitely see bias in both tv stations. I find that Fox is definitely more aggressive and less likely to report any positive "liberal" facts, and tends to support conservative ideas as though they are immovable, all the while actively trying to assert that they DON'T do that. I think that's the part that frustrates me about Fox. The network simply tries to deny it's own bias, which enables them to lean even further. I try to find personal time regularly to listen to NPR so that I can have some news that is just straight news and reporting that tries very hard to stick to the facts with little opinion. I come away from NPR news programming with the idea that I simply need to learn more about everything.
Fox News "leans" to the right? Tell me, when have they ever said anything positive about Obama, or any Democrat? When he does things that are clearly positive, they ignore them, or put some kind of weird spin that makes it negative, suggesting he has some dire motivation. They continually have people on who say false things about him, that he's a socialist, communist, marxist, muslim born in Africa. They never expose these people as nuts. No wonder there are so many people who hate and fear our president. If all they watch is Fox, they have such a false view that they actually believe he's evil.
@Susie – If you are correct and the Tea Party is truly not left or right, but is only concerned with the debt issues, when did they last advocate shrinking the military? Doing so is the only path to eliminating the deficit.
Nobody who is serious about shrinking debt thinks it can be done with a military so huge it dwarfs the militaries of the next 37 countries combined (36 of whom are staunch allies).
Face the fact the is no news hasn't been for decades .
Fox doesn't "lean" to the right. Geraldo is certainly no liberal, he's an imbecile. Fox pretends to play both sides, but they choose "liberal" commentators that are so weak or mindless, that it makes their weak and mindless right "leaning" guys seem less stupid.
Did you say that Faux Noise "leans" to the right?
Your analysis of the political ideologies of Fox News anchor's just isn't even close to the mark. They are pure propagandists. Facts don't matter. It's just about the spin to score Republican political points. There is also the same effect on MSNBC – especially Ed Schultz who's very selective and passionate in his labor views and seems incapable of rational analysis of economics without a labor only spin.
But to claim the same degree of hatchet job politiking is just baloney. For instance, rachel Maddow asks hard questions, backs it up with facts and can hold a meaningful interview. In fact I'd argue that her biggest problem is that Republicans are so scared of her potential to dismantle their bs that they avoid coming on her showing or even responding to comment requests on news. That's a sign she's doing a good job as an investigative reporter and political commentator.
So much blather in this discussion. Not a crumb of evidence.
Scott, Geraldo is a life-long Democrat who has only voted Republican since 9/11, and then only because he's hawkish on national security. In every other area – and especially on illegal immigration / amnesty – he's a flaming liberal. He's pro-redistribution, pro-choice, pro-gay-marriage...honestly, where has he every shown a conservative leaning but with war? O'Reilley is certainly not a moderate, but neither is he far or consistently to the right. He's wishy-washy on gun control, left on energy and business regulation (he absolutely lambasted Bush for "allowing" oil companies to make profits when prices got high back then), at best middle-of-the-road on social spending, and he opposes the death penalty. The fact that they pick stories critical of Democrats is the proof that they lean to the right; but they are not hard right like MSNBC is to the left.
Fekt, the fact that you feel NPR is balanced and unbiased, because supposedly Republicans are just wrong all the time, proves the point about their bias. Just like Scott says about Fox News – NPR picks left-wing-slanted stories...but more importantly they only give the liberal view on those stories most of the time, and when they do get a conservative response in it's with biased questioning and, frankly, moderates actually giving the conservative point of view rather than real conservatives. If you have an actual study that shows the RNC lies 80% of the time and the DNC only lies 40% of the time, I'd love to see it.
All GOP conservatives need to be rounded up and shipped to Afghanistan. Possibly an island close to Antarctica would be more to their cold calloused "yea for me and my money", would be more to their liking. GOP is the party of destruction. They have no idea what liberty stands for. Thank God for Liberals, if it weren't for them, we'd be back reinventing the wheel. OBAMA is our president, and will continue to be so. He's the only logical and intelligent choice. However, if you're a moron......your preference would probably be the nitwit from the rich sector.
Your hate and stupidity is breathtaking. How is someone like you even able to function? Does your mom know you are using the computer?
You are sounding a bit like your leftist icon, S t a l i n. "Lets round up and get rid of those who disagree with us". You are a scary person.
You are pathetic. Do you expect to convert people to your viewpoint with that type of noncense?
Stalin was not a leftist. How much did you sleep through World History class in school, Susan?
And you must be a communist, to state that CNN, ABC or CBS are anything but Left-Center is a joke.
Please show me the last time they advocated in mass for lower spending, not decreased spending increases but actual year over year spending cuts. Yup never happened. God we are surrounded my loons
MAN created GOD... and you are calling upon an "invisible man in the sky" to call other people "loons?"
Please take your MEDS!
Shouldn't they not advocate for anything if they don't have a bias?
You're showing your bias. It isn't the role of a news organization to ADVOCATE for positions like spending cuts. You've been watching far too much Fox. CNN is quite moderate, as are the major networks. MSNBC and FOX are equally biased in opposite directions. The difference is that MSNBC and its watchers will admit the bias, while FOX and FOX watchers pretend to believe they aren't biased.
You really don't understand what a news organization is supposed to do. Report and give you the facts wether you like them of not. Fox just panders to the crazies.
@DJ.....you for got your commas as you were speaking to your fellow loons......"God, we are surrounded, my loons."
@ scott...... another difference is MSNBC shows video clips and gives FACTS stating their positions, citing sources that you can check out(google). Fox just keeps repeating "Some people say...." and cites no INDEPENDANT sources.
*Media ARE...
LMAO, You leftists are insane. CNN is a liberal organization and always has been
wrong.
Scott = troll
Wrong! CNN was once pretty moderate, but now slightly swing right to keep from loosing ratings to Fox.
Media bias??? Obviously it is there and it appears traditional outlets are more liberal. Consevative talk shows are hot right now but that is becasue a liberal is in office. To think there is no bias really goes against the human grain. While some may try to be middle of the road, certanly it sdstill remains in very subtle but effective ways- number of negative stories for one compared to the other, stories run alongside seemingly unconnected stories of a positive or negative nature, photos that either enhance or degrade the individual. It is certainly there and I believe certain stories become either printable or not at times depends more on the parson it is about than the importance of the article itself. The more outlets one views, no matter how wide from far right wing to far left and in the middle is about the only way to find balance becaseu it becomes very evident, indeed, the leanings of each when this is done. And...you may be surprised to find that some personaliies who are far from your own viewpoint are very likeable and enjoybale to watch/
Conservative talk shows have been hot since 1992...I remember people stating that they were hot then. There is a reason for it.
CNN undecided voter "Go ahead miss" 'I think Joe Biden was a buffoon, he was rude kept laughing at poor Ryan, and he screwed up in most parts of the world, and not telling the facts about Romney these poor fellows work hard for him to just come and laugh is disrespectful, i hope he dies and the black guy, What yes I'm undecided why do you keep asking, I will hit you!
"I hope he dies and the Black Guy." This statement is scary. And sick. Is he going to "hit me" ?
You either forgot to take your medication today or you watch too much Faux News.
He is channeling his inner Joe Biden in case you didnt get it..
You are undecided because you are unintelligible
CNN used to be the measuring stick for unbiased reporting, but no more. They have CNN polls skewed to the right. Debate moderators will have to be on-the-spot FACT CHECKERS at each debate; we have the technology to have instant information for the moderators to call out lies. CNN declared Romney the winner after Romney trashed all his right-wing positions and spouted middle-of-the-road positions– FLIP-FLOP Big Time, yet the moderator let it stand. Mitt Romney interrupted the president many times with impunity yet when Biden did it Biden was declared RUDE, Give me a break!
Biden was rude,crude,arrogant and selfish. Are you proud of his behavior? Not acting very Presidential or professional.
Why don't we hear Faux News call Romney a flip flopper 24/7. Ever since he got the nomination he's been flipping and flopping every day! He'll be a moderate by election day!!
There's no requirement for Joe Biden to be presidential, as he isn't the president. I like him even better since I saw him in this debate. He didn't let Lyin Ryan get away with any of his two-faced weaselly prevarications, Biden called him out on every one of them. If (God forbid) anything happened to President Obama, Joe Biden would be a great President.
4 more for 44!
@ StevenW...... VP Biden had to talk in such a way as the repugs could understand......fight fire with fire!
CNN is the most juvenile liberal based news media in the world, and they don't even hide their bias. The photos they post of Republican politicians compared with those chosen to represent Democrat politicians is so childish to the point of absurdity.
Whingers say CNN is right wing, liberal and Teabagger backed. Guess that means they're unbiased after all. ;D
So, the former editor of the NYT talking bias in the media. Well, at least he knows something about media bias, his paper is widely regarded for being the mouthpiece of the left, both in how it reports, and more importantly, in what it chooses to report.
Yet pole after pole shows the media as being 70+% Liberal and they overwhelmingly give to Dems. For 8 years we saw the press gleefully bash Bush. Yet when its time to put the same standard toward Liberal politicians all we hear is excuses and blame. Its as if the media are Obama and the Dems stenographers. During one of Obamas rare news conferences they dont ask hard questions and dutifully repeat whatever he states. There is one conservative news station and its the Liberal slandered Fox. CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS all lean to the Left. The NY Times is famous for their Leftist partisan attacks and outright plagiarism and lies. Read what all these news outfits said about the tea party. Now look at the coddling given to OWS and the glossing over of their crimes. Yes we should worry about the press. Its the modern Pravda for the Left.
william says..... "For 8 years we saw them gleefully bash Bush."......well, if someone ever NEEDED to be bashed for what he did.....
A guy who doesn't know a pole from a poll clearly shows his ignorance. In other words, you rant is that of an uneducated child. It should be treated accordingly.
CNN is like FOX? Puhlease.... CNN Commentators can barely keep a lid on their hatred of anyone they interview who does not support their leftist agenda – watch Soledad O'Brien attack, I mean "interview", someone from the "other side"
They are not much better than MSNBC
....I guess they don't like lies!
When I was a child my father used to tell my brother and I that one of the things that separates us from the communist is that our media does not practice censorship or bias. Far left liberals will tell you there is no bias other than Fox news simply because most of the mainstream media is slanted in the same direction they are. The news reports what they want to hear and suppresses what they don’t want to hear. Some news outlets practice very subtle bias in that they simply practice bias by suppression. There are a number of stories out there that the American public should read about but are suppressed because they shed a negative light on the current administration. (The administrations failures leading to the murder of the Libyan Ambassador comes to mind). Fox News and MSNBC take this bias to an extreme however make no mistake about it, if you do not believe there is a distinct liberal bias in the mainstream media then you are very naive.
If you are so far left that you think MSNBC only has a token liberal there is no way you could even see the center with the hubble. Msnbc is hard left Fox is hard right and between the truth you get about 20% of the truth it is sad.
Only a whack job or a dedicated Leftist thinks CNN and ABC News are more subtle versions of Fox News. CNN is the mirror image of Fox, not MSNBC. Fox spins conservative, but tries to be fair to the liberal side. CNN spins liberal, but tries to be fair the conservative side. The networks don't have a single conservative in their newsrooms, and their Left bias is sometimes innocent, often times not. The best way to get the news is to go back and forth between CNN and Fox. MSNBC is good for pure entertainment as their people howl at the moon al day.
Fox tries to be fair to the liberal side? What are you on, son? The liberals Fox puts on are usually mindless buffoons, just like the coneservatives (no, I did not misspell that).
This author seems to assume that CNN is in the middle of msNBC and Fox. We toggle back and forth between Fox and CNN for a balanced outcome, and even that is dubious given that we also watch CSPAN for the actual event, and its amusing to see how the reporters immediately show unconscious bias and cherry picking. Liberals make the mistake of assuming that all conservatives follow blowhards like Hannity and Limbaugh, which is simply wrong.
This is hilarious! This guy really expects us to believe that the NYT is fair.
Yahh I chuckled on that as well
From a couple of guys who never actually read the NYT, that is amusing.
When I consider watching the news, I do so in the hopes of being brought up to date with happenings around the world. I do not do so to be manipulated with a reporter's personal opinions, or political leanings. I'm perfectly capapble of forming my own opinions based on facts. The trouble is, most of the news stations have caved to one side or the other in their presentation of "the facts", making it virtually impossible for us to see clearly, the heart of the matter. Given the choice between the lot, I usually watch Fox News. I do so with the full understanding that they're biased towards conservative viewpoints, sometimes shamelessly so. However, had CNN presented their news without the obvious liberal bias they've shown, with a truly "fair and balanced" approach, it's quite likely that FOX news would never have gotten off the ground. In short, the media have only themselves to blame for the "echo chamber" that exists.
You are right, as Joe Friday would say, "Just the facts, ma'am," By the way, I'm from Decatur, Mom was born in Kokomo and Dad was born in Anderson, near Muncie. ;oD
Essentially, we used to rely on news to tell us what we needed to hear. Today, they gauge, poll and market to us to determine what we want to hear. From that they create news and sell ads around it. Once news became big business, it all went down hill. At the top of all networks, they're all the same. The news is product, nothing more.
For all the faults of the old ABC, CBS, NBC Evening News, they were about facts more than ratings. At one time the news department was allowed to loose money! News is now just another profit center, so they cut out expensive stuff like investigative journalism, crowd source most of their material (CNN's iReporter is a classic example), and tailor their spin to match their target demographics. Now each party can have their own facts for their own base and only the independents get confused by the alternate realities.
And what Rupert Murdock & Koch Brothers want us to hear...
Disappointing... I thought this piece might lament the lack of real analysis and journalism. But then Keller immediately jumps onto the fence: no matter how bad the lying has been, he's sure there has been worse. Wow, that's some heavy analysis right there.
And then, of course, he offers his expert analysis on the all-important debate. Obama had a bad night. But... BUT... He says, the story that was lost was that Romney had a GOOD night! Are you serious???? Wasn't the lost story the one about Romney deceiving a nation at every turn? And the reason we need fact checkers is because journalists like yourselves are spineless, bought, and paid for?
It's easy to see which side of the echo chamber this guy has been sitting in.
I guess you missed Obams lies. You need to take off your blinders.
Blinders off... Susie is a 100% bought and paid for Willard lemming...
Thats it make ad hominem attacks and deny that Obama has lied as much or more than Romney. Try some honesty for once.
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...care to point out ONE of Pres. Obama's lies for us, Sisie Q.?
Thanks Chris! You got it right. They think we don't see where they stand and how bias they are.
I would agree that MSNBC hires people who have a liberal point of view. But, in my opinion, that network fairly presents the facts to their viewers. Fox News simply makes things up and hopes that, by repeating their lies over and over again, viewers will come to believe that those lies are the truth. This is a perfect example of the false equivalence that was mentioned in the article.
Maybe you should give us an example of something Fox "made up." C'mon, be very specific.
Come on now, you know better than that. Rachel Maddow says every night that Fox News just makes stuff up so it MUST be true!!!!!
How about this: "Back in December of 1996, Jane Akre and her husband, Steve Wilson, were hired by FOX as a part of the Fox “Investigators” team at WTVT in Tampa Bay, Florida. In 1997 the team began work on a story about bovine growth hormone (BGH), a controversial substance manufactured by Monsanto Corporation. The couple produced a four-part series revealing that there were many health risks related to BGH and that Florida supermarket chains did little to avoid selling milk from cows treated with the hormone, despite assuring customers otherwise.
According to Akre and Wilson, the station was initially very excited about the series. But within a week, Fox executives and their attorneys wanted the reporters to use statements from Monsanto representatives that the reporters knew were false and to make other revisions to the story that were in direct conflict with the facts. Fox editors then tried to force Akre and Wilson to continue to produce the distorted story. When they refused and threatened to report Fox's actions to the FCC, they were both fired.(Project Censored #12 1997)"
After a four-week trial, a jury found against Wilson on all of his claims. The trial court directed a verdict against Akre on her breach of contract claim, Akre abandoned her claim for declaratory relief, and the trial court let her whistle-blower claims go to the jury. The jury rejected all of Akre's claims except her claim that WTVT retaliated against her in response to her threat to disclose the alleged news distortion to the FCC.
In other words, an actualy jury said Fox didn't lie...or more accurately, that there was no evidence Fox lied.
So all they have is a 15 year old story that showed that Fox did not lie.
Obama taking WORK out of WELFARE... that is just ONE of the racially slanted LIES coming out of the mud pit, you call Fox! Obama taking WORK out of WELFARE... that is just ONE of the RACIALLY slanted LIES coming out of that mud pit, you call Fox!
See, that just proves the point...if the media weren't so biased, you'd know that Obama really did change the rules on welfare to allow benefits without the work requirement that had been there. The Government Accountability Office confirms it, but you just keep hearing CNN and all the rest saying that Obama denies it. Now...racial? That's just stupid.
Obama DID NOT take the work requirement out of welfare, that is a lie. Obama gave the states more flexibility in implementing the work requirements, something governors asked for. Some republican governors asked for it, and in a cooperative bipartisan spirit, he agreed to do. Then they come back and TELL LIES about it.
How about when Obama welcomed his wife onstage and they exchanged a playful gesture of bumping fists, which Fox immediately labelled the "Terrorist Fist Bump"? No bias or fabrication there...
See that? Kaethy only got the liberal spin. States get flexibility...well sure, and the law was supposed to remove that flexibility, to require actual work. The law requires states to meet certain work participation rates, and Obama says that waivers will be allowed that would approve other activities "in lieu of certain participation rate requirements" and allows for waivers that extend job search/training periods in lieu of work as well. That's just a fact. Read the HHS memo.
Kevin, you're right...there was no fabrication or bias there. Hill said there are different things people call the fist bump, with that being one of the labels that have been attached to it. And it's true...in the comments from a Slate article, someone called it that. So, no fabrication. Bias – she was fired for it even though she never endorsed the phrase or used it as her own...if Fox were so horribly biased (they are biased, but not far-right), they certainly wouldn't fire her...I mean, look at what Ed Schultz gets away with. Besides that, it wouldn't be bias anyway...if someone were to NOT report that fact, THAT would be bias.
Good points. Comparing MSNBC with FoxNews creates a false equivalency - a main point of the article. Fox does not present news - it is entertainment for people who cannot handle the news.
Do you think any liberals know about:
- Benghazi attack
- Fast and Furious
- Solyndra
- obama and media matters
- Amnesty for illegal aliens
- Taxpayer money for abortions
- Kathleen Sebelius breaks federal law, keeps her job
- Obama administration leaks sensitive national security information for political purposes
- Obama administration tells defense contractors to violate federal law. Bonus: Obama administration says it will use taxpayer dollars to pay any government fines incurred
- President Obama had been skipping his intel briefings in favor of campaigning
- The Obama-Clinton-Rice-Jarrett policy of helping push the Arab Spring has resulted in rising Islamist power across the Middle East
Does Fox News personally email you lists of things to worry about you brain-dead automaton?
Melvin Purvis, we did not miss these... we just finished debunking these DISTRACTIONS, while we continue to kick Willard's derriere and the great President Obama reelected!
Nice try though...
Blackflag. Just like a stereotypical liberal you attack the messenger and won't address the issues. I think you're all just so darn smart (but not as smart as you all think you are)!
Name one report from FOX that is false! Just ONE! C'mon, back up your big claim!
Too easy. Recently they reported that the unemployment numbers were not correct and appeared "cooked". They produced no evidence or anything. Clearly a made up story. That is just recently. They do it weekly.
easy–
And yet in the month of September as reported by the BLS only 114 jobs were created yet suddenly we went down to 7.8%?????? Give us a break. No way in this world or the next is that accurate. Many financial gurus have all questioned the numbers as NO ONE can make sense of it. And amazingly the numbers suddenly went down right before election month. THINK about it if you can.
Actually, they reported that some prominent figures were saying that the jobs numbers were skewed, and that's a fact. Whether what those people said was true or not, they certainly said it. And there was reason to suspect those jobs numbers, being that fewer jobs were created but somehow more people became employed in one month, by a huge margin, than had done in a very long time. Just asking the question of how that can be is not "making stuff up".
Oh shoot..EASY, I have to ask...WHEN did Fox News say that the jobs numbers appear to be "cooked"? You put that word in quotes, so when did they actually use that word? Or are you just making stuff up in order to make the case that Fox makes stuff up?
Actually FOX touted the BLS and their statistics for the past year because the numbers were bleak and served their agenda to blame the Obama admin for a failing economy. Now that the numbers don't fit their story they must be "cooked", right? MSNBC and FOX are opinion first and news second. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded by their own prejudices or just plain stupid. -easy is right. FOX was actually caught a couple of years ago using fake video footage to make a Glenn Beck/Tea Party rally appear to be well attended. It wasn't and they actually stated the error was an "accident" in the editing room in their brief mea culpa. That my friends is not just leaning to one side or the other; it's a complete fabrication and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
Glah, really? First, it wasn't fake video as you claim; it was actual video of an actual rally...actually held by Glenn Beck...just used as filler during a discussion of a different rally. So, you're saying that using a Glenn Beck rally video instead of a Healthcare rally video, being shown as filler while people are talking about what happened at a rally, without using the video as evidence of anything or to make any point, is EXTERMELY DANGEROUS?! Wow....just...wow. And just how dangerous is it, that YOU put forth what really IS a COMPLETE FABRICATION, when you say that Fox News used a FAKE VIDEO? And there you go, like easy, using quotes around "cooked"...are you also claiming that Fox said the BLS numbers were cooked? Where and when did they use that word, which you put in quotes? If you're not quoting them, don't make it look like you are.
Drule – name one made up FOX report in the last 6 months. Surely you can come up with one! After you do, I'll give you several from MSNBC. Give PROOF/EVIDENCE that the story is false.
Obama gave the states more flexibility in implementing the work requirements, something governors asked for. Some republican governors asked for it, and in a cooperative bipartisan spirit, he agreed to do. Then they come back and TELL LIES about it. Obama DID NOT take the work requirement out of welfare, that is a lie.
What!? You mean Fox really isn't the 'no spin zone'? I'm shocked! ...Actually, I'm getting really sick of Fox News. Fox's ugly little brother, World Net Daily is an even worse rightwing nut news site. I'm also sick of that painted up arrogant lawyer witch Megyn Kelly. Especially after her comments about the pepper spraying cop.
Not one word showing that Fox is doing anything wrong, only empty ad hominem attacks. Do you folks EVER use that organ between your ears?
Susie, Not one word showing that Fox is doing anything wrong, only empty ad hominem attacks. Do you folks EVER use that organ between your ears?
IF you were a human you could receive ad hominem attacks too; however, to you, all FACTS are ad hominem attacks!
Why does Fox tell all lies? Because they are the only station who is able to replay and air interviews and speeches of Mr. Obama from 2000 when he was not even running for a seat in the government advocating spreading the wealth around and fair share; the only station who aired Rev. Wright's sermons of God damn America and let the white chickens roast, who according to Mr. Obama was family to me, my mentor but turned his back against him because he had to in order to win the election; who can show evidence of Mr. Obama's connection with leftist and socialists mentors Van Jones, his realtor but now in jail Tony Rezko, etc.etc. AND YOU CERTAINLY THINK PEOPLE LIE WHEN YOU DO NOT AGREE TO WHAT THEY SAY ??? SOMETHING IS DEFINITELY WRONG WITH AMERICA !
@ Sean – The welfare rules changed so the individual states could set the requirements. The Republicans are always wanting the fed to give the states control over how programs are administered, but when they allow it, they are lambasted for "dropping the work requirement".
Kevin, there's nothing dishonest or even biased about reporting on the complaints, whether you consider those complaints to be hypocritical or not is for you to decide – but when discussing Fox News, you should also recognize that they also reported on the Democrats who say what you just did...so both sides of the story were played. The problem with the rest of the media is that they started playing the line that Republicans are just flat out lying about the work requirements, and have never put forth a word to the contrary since. It's in black and white...that HHS memo clearly said the administration will waive the requirement to meet work participation rates. You just aren't hearing that anywhere but conservative media.
I thought they were extinct – journalists who recognize their particular bias and attempt to be professionally objective. Maybe this guy is yet one of the last. By and large, far beyond the obvious extremes of Fox and MSNBC, objective journalism has died.
Every one else is biased who doesn't agree with my own point of view.
This is proven every day by many of the write comments written at , CNN , ect...
People who think that there is only left wing media are nuts. There is both.
The problem with ALL American left wing and right wing media [yes , there are both kinds] is that it is about ratings , ratings and more ratings. The truth is a distant second.
O'Reilly nailed it in his "debate" with Jon Steward. Capitalism is the problem with our current "news" media. The more outlandish the talking heads are the more money they make. Look at Rush Limbaugh. The man does nothing but throw stones and stir the pot and yet people listen and BELIEVE him. It's amazing and it's made him rich. There are just as many on the Liberal side and they are just as absurd. I prefer to read my news, that way I can pick apart the text at my liesure.
You do realize that Limbaugh, Hanity, Beck, et. al. are entertainers, don't you? They are no more reporters than John Stewart; calling them such is ludicrous.
Keller talking about media bias or fairness is an insult to everyone. Keller invented Media Bias, so who is he kidding?
Keller was known as an extremely liberal editor at the NYTimes. He still writes pieces worshiping Obama. I don't believe a word he writes.
This has to be a joke. It's lying garbage like these two that destroyed the media.
You bring up msnbc nd fox, why not bringup cnn, cbs, nbc, abc, these are as bad and mostly worse. come on and b fair.
I find that all of Foxnews and some of MSNBC news are biased. CNN is the only channel that tries to be balanced. Then again I constantly see them bringing up false equivalence.
I guess that is why FOX News is the top rated and most watched news source of all of the media. Gee, wonder why?
Because they spew forth filth that empty headed people that cannot see a made up story like to hear. They pander to what you want to hear and you even defend them in comments on another news website. They tell you everything you want to hear and it makes you feel smarter but it is very much the opposite in that they are using your ignorance to gain ratings.
easy, could you give a detailed example?
Faux News? Because that's what all the angry white male tea baggers are watching?
MSNBC and Fox news pander to their respective sides...To imply that Fox doesn't have a bias due to their viewer numbers is misguided. Let's point out to the fact that more Fox viewers(24%) believe that Obama is not an American compared to how many of their viewers believe in evolution(21%)...Fox is the only channel to have this correlation flip-flopped. Those are just the facts and you can take that how ever you want to, but it shows that for whatever reason this population is attracted to what Fox News puts out.
I would like to also point out that according to multiple studies from the left, center, and right demonstrate that Fox viewers are the most misinformed about actual domestic and foreign events. It showed that those who watch the crazily left "Daily Show", an entertainment commentary(not even news) are more accurate with their answers. Heck, the same studies show that people who don't watch the news were more accurate.
CNN is NO more balanced than MSNBC. It takes very little effort to see how in the pocket of Obama CNN is.
ALL of Fox News and SOME of MSNBC is biased? That tells the tale...
On a scale where neutral is 0, I rate Fox at +2 and the MSM at -15. MSNBC is -100. CNN is -12. The liberal media gets very, very tiresome. The important information that is NOT reported, is the most frustrating.
You just demonstrated your own level of bias as a -100000000.
Sally spoke the truth about the media. Majority of it IS liberal. That isn't bias that is truth and fact.
"I find this a little disconcerting." Yeah me too. Kind of like stage 4 lung cancer is disconcerting. Way to minimize one of the biggest problems America is currently facing.
Could you clarify, Blackflag?
The majority of the media is so far up Obama's bum he can barely sit down. It is very scary how the media protects, shields and does everything to serve Obama.
the media makes it's news (and money) by playing one side against the other
thus creating stories and strife – misery
Journalistic integrity has been gone for quite awhile now
HELLO
It is all utter nonsense. A fact is a fact and a lie is a lie. It is easy to figure out which is which so just report that. If I said I am going to cut jobless to x and I only got to y, well whatever the reason I didn't do what I said I would do. Say so and move on. If I say I am going to cut taxes by 20% Then tell us how you are going to pay for it, if you don't know or can't tell us say so and move on. I want yes or no answers to specific questions, no more spin.
That's why it's important for independent intellectuals like me to speak up and call nigras "nigras." The nigra really is a vile beast.
Romney and Ryan’s new campaign song.
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Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb Iran
Let's take a stand
Bomb Iran
Our country's got a feelin'
Really hit the ceilin', bomb Iran
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Went to a mosque, gonna throw some rocks
Tell the Ayatollah, "Gonna put you in a box!"
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Our country's got a feelin'
Really hit the ceilin', bomb Iran
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Ol' Uncle Sam's gettin' pretty hot
Time to turn Iran into a parking lot
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Bomb Iran
Our country's got a feelin'
Really hit the ceilin', bomb Iran
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Call the volunteers; call the bombardiers;
Call the financiers; better get their *** in gear
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Bomb Iran
Our country's got a feelin'
Really hit the ceilin', bomb Iran
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(Let's nuke 'em! Whoo!)
Call on our allies to cut off their supplies
Get our hands untied, and bring em' back alive
Bomb Iran. Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb Iran
Our country's got a feelin'
Really hit the ceilin', bomb Iran
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Bomb Iran
Let's take a stand
Bomb Iran
Our people you been stealin'
Now it's time for "keelin", bomb Iran
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Iranians are shall die for my entertainment.
I think it is bi-partison on that
Iran's days are numbered with the nut jobs they have running the place.
If the people get smart and extend the "arab spring", perhaps they can ovoid
being oblitterated in 3 days like we did Iraq – the need a "regime change" to save their butts
You are a DREAMER, a PSYCHOTIC DREAMER!
I'm gonna get a job do not RULE in Iran, he is just a FIGUREHEAD – like the Queen in England – the religious clerics run Iran.
You want to start WWIII, just attack Iran!
You can not hurt the NUKE program; it is all safely UNDERGROUND!
About the only thing you can do is UNITE THE ARAB STATES TO ALL HATE AMERICA and start a nuke race among all the Arab States and the entire mideast.
SMART MOVE...
What would you do, JD?
Mitt Romney's son, Tagg Romney, has been engaged in a contract with a surrogate mother with the stipulations that if the child being carried was not up to the Romney's specifications, that the Romney family would have the final say if the child would be aborted or not. In other words the Romney family used their money to buy the power to end a human life, something that Mitt Romney has spoken out against vehemently in the past.
You sound like a lying conservative.
Read the Christian Science Monitor.
The best decision I have ever made was getting rid of cable television. I will not pay for all the BS that is on cable these days.
Tired of Leftards and Rightards.. I wish we can just ship them off somewhere and let them die off.
So instead you hand out at CNN blogs. At least I'm a troll!
Hang out.
be easier if you left sir
as you don't approve of 95% of the country
Pastor...
that's the real love of Jesus there
I thought we crucified that idiot, Jesus… did he have a twin from Mexico?
ooop's my bad
It's william that's 'tard happy – not you Pastor
my bad
William leave – yer makin' me tarded
It is The Economy, Mr. President. Your Economy, Mr. President. You built that.
Well not really. We went from surplus to 7.5 trillion dollar shortfall under GW. The housing bubble burst under GW. Banks, Wall Street and many corporations ran amok under GW. record unemployment in over 50 years under GW. While Obama certainly hasn't done a great job he wasn't nearly the wrecking ball that GW and Dick were. GW's inner circle were once Nixon staffers as well. We never learn.
What is really disturbing is how the left mainstream media cnn included think that they should have the power to decide what the public should and should not listen to or read on the news. The that's what the so called "false equivalence" argument is really about when ever I hear them talk about it, it scares the heck out of me. Every day I hear them bring this subject up more and more often. Let me give an example of what the "false equivalence" argument really do. First of all it is way for left leaning media to protect it self when it fails at their number one job which is to informed the public of with the truth and nothing but the truth regardless of who's political or economical interests is on the line. Here is the example 50 years ago Romney apparently as a prank shopped some kids hair off, and well this made national news and there is also the news about him putting his dog on top of his car they still won't shut up about that either any chance they get they slip it into the conversation. Here another story that didn't make it to top of list of the media, in 2007 the them senator now president was giving a speech I am which his accused the us government of not caring about black people in Louisiana after catrina because thy didn't waived the 10% requirement receiving federal aid after a disaster and on top of that they didn't get as much money as Florida and New York. Well it turns out that there was a vote less than a month before this speech was giving approving the waiving of the 10% requirement and the giving of a higher amount of money than was ever giving to the other two states, the bill was passed out 80 votes against 14 votes one of those 14 was casted by senator Obama. This video was big news on conservative circles but to the mainstream media it was not "equivalent", to those stories of Romney caring his pet at top of his car or making some factual remarks.
To add to your comments, I find it funny that CNN thinks they are not bias and that only MSNBC and Fox are the bias. When in fact CNN, is in the tank for Obama but they want us to believe they are not. Case in point, the White House for weeks continued to talk about the YouTube video and implied that was the reason for the Benzaghi attack. The president mentioned the video in the UN speech. They used taxpayer dollars to buy ads in Pakistan to talk about the video. CNN NEVER called them out of it. You couldn't find one news outlet reporting. And, if they did it was a short clip that was buried. BREAKING NEWS ....IT WAS NOT ABOUT THE VIDEO!!! The middle east is in flames, 4 americans are dead, and you can't find ONE story about this on the home page of CNN.com.
CNN has not fooled me as a result, I have cancelled my CNN channel and go on the website once in a while to monitor their bias and shake my head.
Some is lying in the White House and I think it goes all they way to the top. The press is protecting Obama.
I'm watching all this from Canada and I can not understand how it is not clear to everyone that Romney and Ryan are more able and competent than Obama.
Good luck, America!
"I'm watching all this from Canada and I can not understand how it is not clear to everyone that Romney and Ryan are more able and competent than Obama"
Because most American's have brains and we are not racists, like you, Sue....
Jean, what was racist about Sue's comments? You've used that word in more than 1 post tonight. You label people as racist and ignorant when you disagree.Not very tolerant are you?
Why are these bitter ignorant fools who hate CNN insulting are intelligence here. Watch Fox. Obama we have taken your guns. I get tried. I'm convinced. You're ignorant, uneducated or just liars. I know ignorance is real. I try not to embrace it with fondness conservatives do. Everyday, it's like a contest to see what conservative can write the most idiotic comment. Looking foolish is fashionable for conservatives who have no pride,
Please leave if you don't like CNN.
The "group think" of most of the talking heads on television and the focus on the latest poll "changes" (most of which are within the margin of error) makes the political reporting skewed. Who are the "undecided" or "swing voters"?
I think this group is not knowledgeable about politics and probably doesn't watch the commentary shows which makes them easy to persuade. They are not dumb but have other interests that are more important than watching these shows,but they want to vote for the winner so they are always on the winning side. Quick snippets of news are what they get. I think a few days before the election all results of these polls should not be broadcasted and commententators should be careful about saying the one side is ahead and will probably win.
It is funny that They dont mention C N N bias. Studies show that reporting for Fox is about as far to the right as C N N is to the left. M S N B C is way to the left. Please stop pretending you ar unbiased.
Studies show that Susie is never home... non compos mentis est…
I get the feeling that Jean Sartre is a Liberal, name calling hater. When you don't have facts you resort to mocking the person you disagree with. Typical democrat ... "mocking"-birds.
Soooo, how do we really know that the "facts" of the fact-checkers are in fact factual?
Blah blah blah. Liberal this liberal that. Blah Blah Blah Conservative this conservative that. Ack! ack ack ack! You all deserve on another
The2 party debate is thus, they both cater to the same MONEY.No your guy stupid.Uh un your guy stupid.Your guy a crook took that lobbyist money! So did yours! My guy promises to lower taxes! So does mine! My guy the best!Uh un my guythe best! Well both parties giving it to you, while taking it from you, and got you calling them the BEST!
""Media"" makes poll question that allow them to spin to all consumers. Its called max consumption. They make up things, like wall-mart moms in Ohio, no such thing! Just people doing their best of whats left after the republican party killed and injured over a hundred thousand Americans, bad Intel! They controlled and ran the CIA for 28 years then blame it for their failure! Then they robbed the banks, homes, cars, 401k.Then within 4 years time they blame Obama and 47% of the American People, are at fault. Romney wants a do over, 24 of his special advisers on foreign policy, 17 served in the Bush-Cheney administration, those are the guys who said Iraq would be over in 3 weeks!So yeah the media wants you to talk about Wall-mart and Big Bird, because Dead Solders don't make them enough money!
Ack! ack! ack ack ack!
Here is the reason why fox news network is beating the pants of all the other news networks. If you watch fox news for a long time you start to notice that liberal causes and liberal arguments almost always get a faired shake but not necessary favorable one but on the hand in places like cnn most conservative points of views are reported from an unfair and unfavorable angle.
There is and conservatives are way too ignorant to figure out way. Intelligent Americans are moving away from legacy media, like TV. It's America's most ignorant who still watch TV for the most part. The average TV reviewer is 50. The average Fox viewer is at the age of 64. Fox News is were bitter mentally decaying old folks hang out waiting to go to heaven. I hope their wait is long.
CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC might as well consider themselves State-Run TV. CNN HeadLine News on my smartphone has yet to put 1 positive Romney story on its Top Stories, or even the Politics link.
If Romney/Ryan win on Nov 6th, these stations will all look like complete unprofessional doofuses because the people are seeing past their biased reporting and embarrassing coddling of their guy, President Obama.
Their credibility is being tested right now with how they are or are not reporting on Bengazigate because it is the biggest story out there and the liberal media is hoping to keep Obama in the election and then report later.
So, if I were you closed-minded liberals, I would seriously do some checking into this topic because you are getting bamboozled by your Obama-loving media and what happened in Libya on 9/11/12 and this last month is abhorrent and they Administration is covering it up, buying time till the election, before heads roll. Unfortunately for us, if Obama is still in office and gets impeached, Biden would go too, b/c he lied through his beautiful false teeth during the debate with Ryan. So then, who will we have as a Leader? Please, check out the truth, don't hang us with a lying President & VP when they're lies were covering the murders of Ambassador Stevens and the other 3 honorable men who served. You all think Watergate was bad? Oh my gosh! Really? You can't see through this?
TOTALLY AGREE - I have watched in horror and disbelief for the past three and a half years as the MSM has picked and chosen which stories to cover and which headline to twist – ALL to support the narrative THEY want to tell. They no longer report the facts to the public. The Narrative is that Obama can do no wrong... and ALL opponents to Obama and his leftist agenda are EVIL...
The REALLY sad part about all of this is that they think the American People are stupid, that we buy what they are shoveling...
Well here's a wake up call MSM... we are NOT buying what you are selling...
I actually think we all need to call out personally to the CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC heads and tell them how obviously we see this. I know someone is keeping statistics on the negative stories Romney, positive stories Obama, etc. But I don't have time to ck it out, as I'm working (for less $ each year since 2008!!)
At least there's no danger of the New York Times trying too hard to be even-handed. The Times makes MSNBC and Fox look even-handed.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE TRUTH WAS THE GOAL?
EITHER WHAT A POLITICIAN SAYS IS THE TRUTH OR IT IS NOT.
I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE GOAL OF JOURNALISM IS TO REPORT TRUTH.
EITHER THE MEDIA DOES REPORT THE WHOLE TRUTH OR IT DOESN'T.
I'm not a fan of spell check when it changes my 'they're/their' usage, I should have edited first. Don't blast me for it, just b/c you're a koolaid-drinking liberal, you'll just embarrass yourself.
It's genetic, a blond thing. Most conservatives can capitalize proper nouns or spell Obama.
you're so deep Michael. Wow, are you employed?
The NYT is the biggest liberal media print outlet there is and there pointing out the bias in MSNBC and FOX!!!! Man that takes some elephant size nads....................Incidently for NYT and all the other morons........Gallup said that distrust of the media hit an all-time high this year, "with 60% saying they have little or no trust in the mass media to report the news fully, accurately, and fairly.".............they don't get it......................
To earn back many disgruntled and escaping viewers, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS & PBS need to cover this Libya story NOW! I cannot even fathom the venom the Liberals and these stations would be spewing if this had been a Republican Administration. Seriously, CNN, wake UP!
Hypocrite. You're dripping enough venom for everyone.
Can you count? 5 to 1?
We are laughing at ignorant conservatives now. We have Americans who are so ignorant they can't figure something as simple as the messages were sent to the State Department and not the white House. America is plagued by ignorant conservatives who are a national disgrace and embarrassment. Did you never think you would see ignorance on this level? people believe Obama reads all the communication from embassies because conservative buffoons, in Congress who outed our CIA told them so. We have these conservative losers in Congress how don't do their jobs, return to Washington to stage a cirrus.
So Obama can take credit for killing Osama bin Laden, but can't take the blame for the murders in Libya? Our Ambassador dead after requesting additional security for months and you can't let your pea-sized brain open up even a tad bit to the hypocrisy in that?
Seriously?
How about Valerie Plame? Outing her didn't kill anyone, but oh!~ heads in the Bush Admin should have rolled!!!?? Seriously?
A murdered Ambassador, the first one since 1979 and the POTUS goes to Las Vegas to raise $? Seriously?
If this were Bush, or any other conservative, you'd be on the white house lawn with a bullhorn demanding impeachment!
You have your head so deep in the sand you'll never be able to pull it out.
And just for your info, I supported Obama, I even sent him $100 in 2008! I had hoped, like millions of others in this country, but as Romney said recently and this makes more sense than you, Michael Johnson, can wrap your brain around – Hope is NOT a policy. Obama is clearly in over his head and it's time for him to go – he's never fixed anything in his life, just raised money from someone to pass on to others.
Give Obama the break he deserves – vote Romney!
Totally agree – it is pathetic that new sites in the UK were IMMEDIATELY reporting that we had advanced notice that a terrorist attack was coming – and here in the US, weeks later, the MSM is either still ignoring it or denying it...
the US MSM is pathetic
It's time to let them know!
FOX NEWS was denied a license to broadcast in Canada.
Kind of says it all, doesn't it?
Not sure, if you don't like our 5 station State-run & 1 Lean-right TV coverage here in the USA, move to Canada then.
Otherwise, it's laughable at how Liberals cannot see the lopsided media. FOX News wouldn't have to do what they do if other stations hadn't fallen so fast and hard to the left .
Jen, excellent post. There is no one to represent the right except FOX and Newsmax and Liberals hate them both.
SteveS,why do I care what Canada allows or thinks? Socialized medicine has been a disaster there hasn't it?
Nice color of blond. You live the image.
Yeah it says a lot about Canada do you think is in the best interest of the people for a government to choose who they can and can not listen to? In my opinion the two reasons for that decision is party to protect the ratings of the cbc and the other is Iiberals are fearful of what effects fox might have on the hug e of conservatives.
Canada, like must advanced nations hate lying propagandist. This is why I hate conservatives too the bone. They are a cancer.
That's not true. I have watch FoxNews every day.
Yes. Yes it does. It says that Canada is already a full nanny state.
If Obama is re-elected by his groupies, we'll be in full collusion with you.
The owner of Fox News was forced to sell a newspapers because of a scandal in Britain. Fox viewers are ignorant people with small minds who can't can't the truth. They are the deleterious of our great nation. Show me a great nation that listen to the village idiots.
Your hair-color comments show the depth of your thoughts. When people don't have a good point to reply and intelligently debate, just like Joe Biden, they ridicule, right Michael Johnson? Seriously, Who in the h e l p gives a rats behind what color someone's hair is?
What color hair does Hillary Clinton have? And, as I'm sure she'd say, Who cares?
The mainstream news media is controlled by liberal Democrats. They don't cover the real news. Even Obama has to watch Fox News to see what is going on in the world. I'm sure that statement makes some people real angry, but that is the truth. Obama's team must watch Fox to see all of the news so that they are not surprised when a real journalists asks "why did you think protesters attacked the Libyan Embassy when there were no protesters as stated by your State Department?" Or maybe the issue is why do some news networks know what is going on in the world while the US mainstream news media doesn't? My kids were taught in grade school to never cite the news to support a fact. That has led to my kids not buying/subscribing to a newspaper and not watching TV news shows. They were taught to use the Internet to find a wide range of statements to see if there is truth anywhere. I don't know what news journalists think of these facts. I sure wouldn't be proud to be a member of a profession called truth terrorists!
Hopefully they don't used CNN only. They're obviously biased and should be embarrassed at how they coddle Obama.
American Democracy has been sold to the highest bidder.
Our principles of the founders have been trampled.
Profiteering trumps all now.
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Yes, CNN likes Obama...so much, I choose not to watch it's fair and balanced? news.
You meant Romney. CNN is worse than FOX News now. Romney must bought them for a lot of$$$$. This is a really bad idea to have Candy. C a news anchor from CNN to conduct the next presidential debate. I do not trust CNN anymore, they are too biased.
Please check near the bottom of your TV screen... the Obama channel says "CNN". The right-of-center channel with the fabulous babes is "Fox News".
If you're not seeing that, get your Obamacare while you can.
The average Fox News viewer is bitter old 64 year in early stages of dementia. You must be mental decline to not have enough intelligence to figure out that the people who told you that stopping 396,000 entries from Mexico last year was doing nothing were lying to you. I bet at companies parties the joke about watch they can the ignorant people who believe Fox News to believe.
I use to watch CNN....I choose not to due to the fact many of the reporters are so obviously biased in favor of Obama(who I voted for)and, in fact, seem actually racist.
keller is a joke
This is what you indoctrinator who told you a beer drinking Obama was following Islam, in your "mind" it was be true. This is why you are a conservative and not a PhD.
Of course most of the media leans to the left. Journalism as a profession is about questioning our traditions and our deeply-held and otherwise unchallenged beliefs. It is almost by definition the foil of conservatism.
And, oh yeah, journalism also requires a high level of education. Which also strongly correlates with left-leaning views.
So I guess that you'll never be a journalist.
No worries. There's always room for groupies.
The truth hurts. when you can be conned into running in circles with your hands filing in air screaming, as the nation laughs at you, that Obama will take your guns one week and thee next week run around saying Obama was born in Kenya people start believing your ignorant.
Fox News likes to say it's "fair and balanced." FactCheck.org finds that to be a blatant lie. MSNBC likes to say it's "leaning forward." At least the folks at MSNBC see themselves for what they are and aren't afraid to admit it. Fox News should take a lesson from their colleagues at MSNBC and quit using the incorrect "fair and balanced" slogan and say something like "we are Rupert Murdoch's mouthpiece." Penguins prefer middle of the road CNN.
Who represents the right besides Fox? Who represents the left? Too many to list. CNN,ABC,CBS,NBC,NY Times,Washington Post,MSNBC,Huffington Post,Hollywood with their slanted one sided views to name a few. I just logged into CNN for the first time in 4 years and really nothing has changed,they're still as biased as ever and cheerleading for Obama.
Notice how conservatives are always hapless victims? They are victims of a vast liberal conspiracy hatch by communist Islamic anti-colonial extremist in a village in Kenya. Conservative works for them because when they are proven to be ignorant, uneducated or just liars that can escape personal accountability by blaming the liberal press.
All these "news" organizations are looking for are ratings. Everything else is secondary. Even the PBS News Hour is a shell of its former self.
Probably the only thing that will give the consumer facts are the fact checking organizations.
This article sounds like a high school essay. Awkward sentence construction, unclear points. Misuse of common english phrases: "Playing hard and fast with the truth". Really? I think you meant to say "fast and loose"
Is it even still true that "Romney had a good night?" I guess it is if people still believe what he said, but I've revisited my opinion after fact-checking showed that he played as fast and loose with the facts as he did. He came off as much more aggressive and confident than Obama, but now that we know what we know about his citation of questionable "facts," I'm much less impressed with his accomplishment.
What does the media really know about Obama that they're hiding from the American people? We're still in the dark after 4 years,not much was disclosed to the American people about Valerie Jarrett and Rahm Emanuel. The media is dirty but selective about who they dig up dirt on.
Everything is so sensationlized.
It's all gone yellow.
I think we need real time fact checking, if someone says something not true in a debate the moderator embarrassing them in real time would be awesome. I also do not accept that a DEBATE is the best form of exploring an issue. For ratings, the media seems to want us to be convinced of that, but the need to score points with snappy comebacks that make good soundbites is to strong to ever get anything done and the time is to short to say anything useful.
Yet another reason I watch Charlie Rose on PBS!
Sorry yonyo. You said. “if someone says something not true in a debate the moderator embarrassing them in real time would be awesome.”
1. The moderator is not running for office and should be non-partisan.
2. The debate is not between the moderator and a candidate.
3. We end up with 2 on 1 like what happened in the VP debate. The moderator was most definitely liberal and cut off Ryan whenever he was making a conservative point. Not true with Biden on liberal points. She also allowed Biden to interrupt constantly. A liberal debate ploy.
Wait!!!! Bill Keller, former executive editor of the New York Times, says he’s a centrist.
“I’m something of a centrist, so I find this a little disconcerting.”
You’ve got to be kidding!!!
Democrats have to lie. If they tell the truth they can’t get elected.
He couldn’t see the center with a telescope.
Try yammering "Solyndar!". Maybe that tired old thing will still work.
It's your money dude. If you like throwing it away...have at it.
OK. I will because it does still work. Over ½ BILLION dollars (that’s billion with a BBBB) of our money paid to a contributor to get a return contribution and you don’t care. I’ll bet you are one of those that don’t pay your fair share. You don’t pay income taxes so it’s not your money. Obama’s Admin is the worst investor we’ve ever seen. If he was any good he would have as much money as Romney. He doesn’t. Doesn’t have the talent.
And learn to spell, it’s Solyndra.
What does a left wing radicals comments on Media Bias and Facts have to do with “Solyndra”? Amazing. Change the subject because.
Democrats have to lie. If they tell the truth they can’t get elected.
When I saw 'Keller' in the lead, I knew the article was garbage. If you look in the dictionary for definition of the word BIAS...you see KELLER. Give me a break!
To say the media have a liberal bias is ridiculous. CNN, for example, will switch side to whoever they see winning. Anyone noticed the sudden lurch to Romney's side after he "won" the debate?
The truth is, all media, besides NPR, are the mouthpieces of big money. They tell us peons what they think we want to hear, which is mostly "he said-she said" journalism. Real news reporting is almost absent these days.
The media is making a financial killing off of this campaign. I'm sick of it. I don't watch any of these talking heads shows. Bill Clinton is the top fact-checker. When I think of the millions being spent when we have so many people in this country who don't have enough food to eat, no jobs, no health insurance, it makes me sick to see where all this money is going. Money being used to buy people their way into politics. A country with no compassion is a country that is going to fall apart.
political media doesn't exist anymore, we have extensions of the white house who carry Obama's water and than we have Fox who try to combat the left wing media
This point is ridiculous. Do you remember the way all "liberal" media promoted the Bush agenda and supported the drumbeat to go to war with Iraq? Do say that they are liberal is more than disingenuous.
Faux news went to court to protect their right to lie to the public (Googlr Fox news lies). CNN has shifted to the right to compete with fox news. ABC & CBS try to report facts but are ignored because the facts do not sit well with the public. It is assumed they are left leaning. MSNBC starts out moderate in the moring and ends up liberal in the afternoon. Talk radio is hard right, and NPR leans left. From the commenets here, the media is only biased if they don't agree with you. THAT is the problem! If you want balance watch all of them. The truth is somewhere in the middle. You cannot get the truth from any of them individually, you must watch them all & then research to find what is fact and what is fiction.
Republicans' entire world view is based on a lie. There is no liberal media. No matter how much you believe it desperately WANT to believe it, you are all sharing a delusion. The sad part is the joke's on you.
Nobody in earth has more contempt for your intelligence than your own party. They count on you to put hate first, objectivity last and I vote for them without question while deep down they truly despise you. The saddest part of all is you worship them like a sports team even though other than your vote you mean nothing at all.
Ding-a-ling-a-ling!!!!!
You're alarm just went off and it's time for you to wake up now!
As soon as a person declares him/herself a candidate for public office, s/he should be sworn in "under oath," to speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Failure to due so would subject them to charges of and prosecution for perjury. Perhaps this same procedure should extend to the candidates' campaign spokespeople and surrogates. Too many of the electorate are too uninformed to separate fact from fiction. We should not have to elect the most convincing liar or spin artist.
There was a time when real journalists were bound by a code of honor that compelled them to be objective and to avoid personal biases and opinions at all cost. As some have pointed out on this board, money does most of the talking these days and the language of money all too often drowns out the truth. The "fact finder" is a good first step in sorting out the the facts, but who is "fact finding" the media?
It's sad, but not too surprising. Most of the people contributing to this thread didn't stop for one minute to think about their position (the one that they have spent years digging trenches in which to stand), and look at other positions to try to find some common ground, some understanding. I'm starting to believe that a moderate Romney may be the answer...someone who panders to the right, gets their vote, and then moves back left to where he really is more comfortable. Obama did something similar, but I doubt a strong conservative would see it that way. In the end, we'll have to find people more courageous than most of the people on this thread, more courageous than most Americans to come toward the center and find a middle ground. Ask yourself – what is it that you fear in seeing the world through a different lens? Does it really shake you that close to your foundation?
I was always told that I had to take a side – that I could not be a fence sitter. I wish their were more fence sitters, listening to all opinions and input, and then deciding where they stand.
Hahahahahahha. This is the best laugh I've had for weeks: " I think by and large this election cycle will be remembered as the coming of age of the fact checker. My newspaper, the New York Times, has done fact checking for several election cycles, but there has been a really big commitment to it this time. "
OMG.
There is no question that MSNBC takes the liberal side of most if not all issues. HOWEVER, one can learn more genuine facts watching 5 minutes of Rachel Maddow than it can watching any show on FOX News for a month. Of course, I don't expect any conservative to agree with that assessment, but the fact is Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh are the guiding lights of right-wing "movement" and there isn't a college diploma among them. They're all opportunistic charlatans who just found an easy way to get very rich and famous.
If you don't like the biased media, why do you vote for Romney who wants to eliminate PBS which relatively costs pennies to maintain and and is the least biased of news organizations?
Earth to you people who twist the PBS issue into an end-all!
It could easily be funded privately with advertisers and sales revenues from the toys, costumes, books, music, games, etc.
Wake up people, Romney never said he'd shut down the station! hahaha!
Do you have to be told the difference?
Can you toast bread without reading the instructions on the toaster first each morning?
Good grief children!
Unfortunately, I am not sure how many people in the United States can actually admit when a political figure they like is going far from the truth. Our schools do not give most people the tools (e.g. history, logic, statistics and mathematics) to even start the process for modern politics. In addition, most people do not learn the critical thinking tools required to question their own positions enough to admit when they are biased or even wrong.
With the lack of training of citizens in the United States to be able to understand the issues, I am not certain that many of us could even spot a biased report.
NYTimes is just as bad, if not worse, than the rest of the MSM... if a storydoes not fit the leftist narrative that they want to tell, they either omit it, or they twist themselves into a pretzel to bias the way the story is told.
Pathetic.
keep trying to post my comment, but clearly CNN does not like what I have to say... so much for CNN being "unbiased"
Fox News is absolute trash and panders to right wing extremists. MSNBC might have a slight left lean, but at least they make an attempt to be balanced. The fact that an misinformed person on this board said that Greta and Geraldo were "liberals" shows you how distorted their views are. Fox News has been in constant campaign mode for the Republicans for year. Every article you see on their site reflects negativity for democrats, but you will never find an article critical of Mittens or the Republicans. Anytime there is a Democrat on a Fox News panel, they are surrounded by 5 blowhard Republicans talking over them. I say this because I actually watch Fox News from time to time, for a laugh. Stop making a full out of yourself and claiming Fox is "News" and only "leans right" a little.
Nick, the count is 5 to 1! MSNBC/NBC+CNN+ABC+CBS+PBS to FOX News.
FOX News exists with it's lean because of the need for some semblance of balance against the currently State-Run TV we've been hit on the head with for so long we can't even see straight anymore!
Liberals are oblivious to one very simple truth. For years, NYT, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS and CNN "reported" from a left leaning stance. It's precisely the reason why and how FOX came to be. This is the bottom line. So, for those who complain about FOX, you really have yourselves to blame for not demanding truly unbiased journalism.
People like Hannity have never held themselves out as a journalist like Chris Matthews does. Yet, Matthews becomes visibly unhinged whenever someone challenges his leftist views. I'd have far more respect for people like Matthews if he would just be honest and say he's not a journalist but rather a left leaning columnist.
CNN has declared Sunday to be "Page View Day."
"People like Hannity have never held themselves out as a journalist" – WRONG. The act of appearing on a so called "news" channel behind a desk and reporting like a journalist, presents himself as a journalist. Fox also has him cover prime time political events like the conventions and debates, acting very much like a journalist. Sean Hannity is an uneducated blowhard. News should be news, and they should have guys like him on an opinion channel for right wing lunatics. Of course if they did this, it would leave Fox "News" with hardly any "journalists" left.
Questions: Do you trust the facts that you personally know to be true? Of course you do! Do you believe events from your own personal experience? Of course you do! So, what happens when you can't get the truth about things you don't know for yourself? Would it make any difference if the facts came from someone you already know and for the most part tells the truth (even if the facts or events are sometimes flawed), or from somebody you just met? If it's somebody you just met, how do you know you that individual is truthful? Can you trust somebody you don't really know?
Just because there is a show on CNN or FoxNews channel does not make it news. Shows like Hannity are political commentary and not news. They try to persuade people. These shows on FoxNews channel exist because that point of view is not found anywhere else. *IT IS NOT NEWS, JUST OPINION* Be glad there is diversity of opinions on different channels where you can get different points of views; that is the way it should be.
What a ridiculous article. The NYT is the most vocal cheerleader for Obama giving him a complete pass on everything, while hammering Romney day after day over every single point. For them to claim that they are fair and FOX is biased leaves the article zero creditability.....
Your lack of understanding of the English language leaves you with a negative plausibility rating.
Here's a hint, CNN: MSNBC and Fox News ain't the problem. Neither is Current. People know what they're getting when they tune into those stations. The problem is the bias on ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
Excellent point and true blue!
Being the most moderate journalist at Fox News is like being the most progressive Nazi at Auschwitz.
I think it is funny that the media is now trying to spin the idea that only FOX and MSNBC are biased, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN editors and reporters are biased as well. The newspapers are biased too. Keep flailing around trying to tell yourself that you are impartial in this age of media. It is worrisome.
If he thinks that "fact checkers" are a solution to keep media more honest then he's a fool. Everyone has an agenda. The NYT is one of the worst.
Since you probably never actually read the NYT, "hypocrite" is a word which describes, and people like you.
I wish that word had more teeth.
You know the guy in the booth who's talking to you in that tiny little earphone?
He's afraid the guys at network are gonna tell him that he's through
If he lets a guy keep talking like I'm talking to you
Cause the corporations got the networks and they get to say
who gets to talk about the country and who's crazy today
I would cut to a commercial if you still want this job
Because you may not be back tomorrow with this cooperate mob
Cut to commercial, cut to commercial, cut to commercial. Ok ok
I got a simple question that I'd like to ask of this network
That pays you for performing this task
How come they got the airwaves? They're the peoples aren't they?
Wouldn't they be worth 70 billion to the public today
If some money-grubbin Congress didn't give them away
for big campaign money? It's hopeless you see
If you're runnin for office with out no TV
If you don't get big money/ You get a defeat
Corporations and broadcasters make you dead meat
You been taught in this country there's speech that is free
But free don't get you no spots on TV
If you want to have senators not on the take
Then give them free air time. They won't have to fake
Telecommunications is the name of the beast
that, that, that, that, that's eating up the world from the west to the east
The movies, the tabloids, TV and magazines
they tell us what to think and do. And all our hopes and dreams
All this information makes America phat
But if the company's outta the country. How American is that?
But we got Americans with families that can't even buy a meal/
Ask a brother who's been downsized if he's getting any deal
Or a white boy bustin *** til they put him in his grave
He ain't gotta be a black boy to be livin like a slave
Rich people have always stayed on top by dividing white people from colored people
but white people got more in common with colored people then they do with rich people
- Jay Bullington Bullworth
Fox, NBC, CBS, CNN – they're all part of the same mind game, full of distractions for everyone that ain't part of the elite.
Hahaha.....sheep. While the clowns have ALL of you argueing over which hand they juggle the ball with, you miss the slide-of-hand where every one in on the act steals your freedoms away. This is what they want....the illusion of freedom. we the people have the power to choose our elected and the laws of the land, yet we choose the crap that is put in front of us in billion dollar wrapping. That's what you want. Nicely dressed dramatic entertainment. After all, this is on a clowns website.
Yeah, I agree,
for at least the last 75 years the Liberals have been selling the public a ton of Snake Oil. And the Liberal Press has been publishing it. So you have to learn to seperate the Wheat from the Chaff. I don't have to spell out the 16 Trillion Dollar Federal debt or the High Unemployment to you. Or the 47 Million on Food Stamps. It is all out there for you to see. You can vote to change it or buy it for another 4 years.
The MSM continually gives O a free pass... especially the NYTimes/Cnn/MSBNC etc
There is so much material to work with... yet all that are interested in doing is fawning over their celebrity in chief
Since you never actually read them, you're simply an ignorant hypocrite.
Sadly I read them all. And since you know that I am speaking the truth, the only thing you have left to do is resort to name calling... One has a better chance at hearing the truth about current events (eg Libya) by going to a U.K. news site vs the MSM in the U.S....
MSNBC and Fox news pander to their respective sides...To imply that Fox doesn't have a bias due to their viewer numbers is misguided. Let's point out to the fact that more Fox viewers(24%) believe that Obama is not an American compared to how many of their viewers believe in evolution(21%)...Fox is the only channel to have this correlation flip-flopped. Those are just the facts and you can take that how ever you want to, but it shows that for whatever reason this population is attracted to what Fox News puts out.
I would like to also point out that according to multiple studies from the left, center, and right demonstrate that Fox viewers are the most misinformed about actual domestic and foreign events. It showed that those who watch the crazily left "Daily Show", an entertainment commentary(not even news) are more accurate with their answers. Heck, the same studies show that people who don't watch the news were more accurate.
Disclaimer(before I get jumped on): I'm an Independent who actually voted McCain the last time, but in all honesty will be going with Obama this time.
Since most people are/were C or D students, there is at least 30-50% of everything that passes through their ears that is not understood. 30 to 50 percent of everything they hear, read or see, they misunderstand. This is our real problem.
cnn is moderate republican fox far right republican abc moderate republican cbs center nbc moderate democrate msnbc far left democrate here the true people
but msnbc as fact fox just make up stuff
cnn obama that not come anymore because you have become bias that why cbs is the only news network left that fair an balance and that sad
Obviously the liberal posts here are the libs that do not follow their "tolerance and diversty" mantra.
They will follow the MSM suggestion that fox etc is so messed up that no-one should watch them.
I personally watch a little of all and being a conservative/ind I should, and so should all.
I see ostriches in most of these post NOT ALL though.
cnn is not for obama they want romney to win period stop saying cnn is for obama cnn is for gop period people are stupid and need to wake up
nbc an msnbc is for obama cnn and fox romney abc cbs tuff call but abc moderate republican cbs center
What would repeal of "Obamacare" mean?
- Cheaper drugs for seniors in the doughnut hole – REPEALED!
- Coverage for children with pre-existing conditions – REPEALED!
- Free access to preventive services – REPEALED!
- Women won't pay more than men – REPEALED!
- No lifetime cap on coverage – REPEALED!
- Protection from insurance company abuses – REPEALED!
- Being a woman won't be a pre-existing condition – REPEALED!
Our country not running itself off a fiscal cliff (you probably won't know what that means) in the next 4 years beats the reasons you listed to a pulp. Obama is in over his head, he wasn't ready for the job, just as Hillary Clinton tried to tell everyone in 2008.
Give Obama the break he needs, let him go home, wherever THAT is.
Vote Romney and save the USA from becoming like the EU or Greece! (Nancy, you may not know where those are!)
The facts alone are not enough when you can get away with flip flopping. Flip flopping can evade honesty because it's about what the candidate believes. The best we can do is look at the candidates past record and hold him accountable. If there is any truth to the polls and they shift in favor of a flip flopper its because the undecideds are either too
misinformed or too forgiving.
People always complain about dirty politics. We want an honest candidate but if flip flopping wins the election then we reward the flip flopper for playing dirty, we disregard the more honest politician and it's our own fault. We have running diagrams for the electorates per state. Now give us diagrams for fact checking and flip flopping so the swing voters have some place to go in their busy lives to get a quick idea about the candidates.
Let me guess Dino, you'd say Romney 'flip-flops' while Obama 'evolves'.
Right?
Obama is in over his head, just like Hillary Clinton said he would be.
Evenhanded and fair with sematical distortions and outright lies?! Impossible. Especially in this world of 'fact checking' by viewers. Sometimes within minutes.
To be clean and fair to most of the media reporting, faux news is not even on the same playing field of news reporting. They apparently have modeled themselves into an entertainment media.
I'm living and working in a foreign country, dealing daily with three translations, and the amount of deceptions available within our English language is unbelievable, especially when you factor in the skill level of presentations that our political system now requires.
Especially when people like you call out an opposing view 'faux'.
This is old, childish and beneath the seriousness of this election.
Glad you're not here.
Scott, Geraldo is a life-long Democrat who has only voted Republican since 9/11, and then only because he's hawkish on national security. In every other area – and especially on illegal immigration / amnesty – he's a flaming liberal. He's pro-redistribution, pro-choice, pro-gay-marriage...honestly, where has he every shown a conservative leaning but with war? O'Reilley is certainly not a moderate, but neither is he far or consistently to the right. He's wishy-washy on gun control, left on energy and business regulation (he absolutely lambasted Bush for "allowing" oil companies to make profits when prices got high back then), at best middle-of-the-road on social spending, and he opposes the death penalty. The fact that they pick stories critical of Democrats is the proof that they lean to the right; but they are not hard right like MSNBC is to the left.
Fekt, the fact that you feel NPR is balanced and unbiased, because supposedly Republicans are just wrong all the time, proves the point about their bias. Just like Scott says about Fox News – NPR picks left-wing-slanted stories...but more importantly they only give the liberal view on those stories most of the time, and when they do get a conservative response in it's with biased questioning and, frankly, moderates actually giving the conservative point of view rather than real conservatives. If you have an actual study that shows the RNC lies 80% of the time and the DNC only lies 40% of the time, I'd love to see it.
Fox News talk shows are definitely conservative, but CNN and MSNBC are further left than Fox is right. Watching Blitzer or Matthews or NBC's yes-men to the Prez is laughable. Then the shrill constant whining about the repubs of the MSNBC other shows makes an abcessed tooth seem pleasant. They have no shame in taking a comment, cutting out parts that do not fit their storyline and create absolute fabrications and call it NEWS. I also hate when this is done on conservatve outlets. this only hurts the country as talented and wonderful people want nothing to do with politics and we get stuck with... well uh.. Palin and Joe Biden... sigh...