By Fareed Zakaria
The Palestinian Authority has won its campaign to be recognized as a non-member state of the United Nations. The question now is whether this will change anything.
Probably no. It will give the Palestinians a little more recognition and greater legal status in certain international fora. But the vote doesn’t change the reality that the only way the Palestinians are going to get a state is if Israel decides that it is in its interests to make it happen. Israel has the power on the ground, The country’s leaders have made it clear that they are not going to be pressured by the UN, defeated in battle, they are not going to be intimidated, they are not going to be terrorized – I think the history of the last three decades has made all of this very clear.
So the question the Palestinians should be asking themselves is, how do we get the Israelis to see this as in their interests?
There was an intriguing column earlier this week by Jeffrey Goldberg, who makes a suggestion that has also been made by some Palestinians in the past, that the Palestinians should stop pushing for a two-state solution, and instead push for a one-state answer.
Here’s how I would imagine the scenario unfolding: Mahmoud Abbas would announce that he is dissolving the Palestinian Authority in three months because he has recognized that there is no prospect that it will lead to a state under the current framework. He would also explain that he is returning all obligations and authority to the state of Israel.
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Palestinians would then start a process of non-violent protests and agitation, asking that they be given what every other person under the authority of the Israeli government has, namely the right to vote in Israeli elections.
The effect of this kind of strategy, would be to force the Israeli public to ask itself whether it was really willing to deny the Palestinians the right to vote. And if they were not willing to deny the Palestinians this right, wouldn’t it be much better to allow them to vote in their own state, rather than the state of Israel, because allowing them to vote in Israel would, of course, fundamentally compromise the Jewish character of Israel.
This is all somewhat far fetched. But the lesson from it is that the Palestinians really have to have a strategy that is geared more directly at persuading, convincing, cajoling – or perhaps even pushing – Israel to make some moves on this front. Getting the United Nations and the council of world opinion to do this is essentially meaningless, because nobody has the ability to make this happen other than the Israelis.
The question Abbas needs to be asking is not whether the Palestinians can get Ban Ki-moon to give them a state, but can they get Benjamin Netanyahu to give them one?
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Netanyahu doesn't appear to be on the verge of granting statehood anytime soon.
One of the clearest things coming from this situation is how far removed the US & Israel are from the rest of the world... but that, perhaps, isn't much news.
...to see a world in a grain of sand ,,,
A "one-state solution" would mean either the – demographic – demise of the Jewish state, as the Palestinians will outnumber the Israels, or an apartheid system for the Palestinians.
The first thing the Palestinians should do is to issue a Palestinian passport for every single Palestinian worldwide and never forget their right of return and their right of suing israel & its leaders for war crimes for deporting them, their parents and their children from their homes and subject them to live in refugee camps for the last 65 years and for bombing them when ever they chose to causing them hard and death.
That shoe fits both feet. let's discuss the war crimes of the Palestinian state firing rockets across their borders into Israel. Or acts of terror like blowing up buses. There are enough crimes here to go around. If the US, just top cite a hypothetical, was firing rockets into Saudi Arabia from their ships in the area, don't you think the Saudis would react to protect their country. That is not a war crime. And let's be clear. Wars kill indiscriminately- miltary and civilians alike. It's not like the warring aprties are transported to the moon to shoot it out.
There was more than 20 ml people displaced on East and Central Europe after the second world war. Their offspring, leaving comfortably far away from the homeland of their ancestors, rarely recall their origin. Those of them who boldly demand the right of return, are quickly silenced by public opinion. IN the forties of the 20th century there were more than 100 Jewish communities all over Middle East, North Africa and asian Islamic states. During the next 10 years the members of the communities were systematically murdered, deprived of basic rights, robbed of property and thrown out unlawfully with one bag of luggage. Today of these communities remained perhaps 10, in some of theme there is barely a minian ( 10 grown-up men). The property of these refugees was robbed by their Arab neighbors. These refugees left behind property which could buy entire Palestine plus the property of Palestinian exiles at least tenfold. They do not demand the right of return, because their offspring built new life and new home. They never even asked for the lost property, which in a specific case may run up to 100 billion in today's dollar today. but they may sue the Arab countries if Palestinians sue Israel for war crimes. Israel also may sue Palestine state for war crimes committed by their now-citizens for acts of violence against civilians, no matter of which religion, in the far and near past, the Palestinian paramilitary organisation for planned targeting, bombing, shooting, rocketing and stabbing of civilians in the far and in the near past. In short, for each war crime Israel can bring to ICC 10 Palestinians crimes, which will hold water, mind you..
And then Israel could sue the very same Palestinkians for the horrific homicide bombings, the Olympic murders and the other acts of terrorism that these insects have carried out against civilized people across the planet. Also perhaps the wonderful co Muslim Arab countries like Lebanon and Jordan could be sued for the horrific conditions they have kept the trash in for the last 60 years and finally the rest of theMudslime nations could be sued for the 1 million Jews expelled from their countries leaving behind all their possesions aftrer the founding of Israel and while we are at it the 3 wars started by the Arab nations attempting to destroy Israel.
You do understand that most Palestinians willingly left their homes after Arab nations promised them to destroy Israel and give them back more right? Israel has done nothing but defend itself from terror in the last 60 years and yet fools like you continue to defend and make excuses for a culture which teaches its children that it is ok to kill yourself as long as you kill a few Jews as well. You are blind!
The Palestinians left in 1948, willingly or unwillingly, because their fellow Arabs launched a war of aggression against the newborn state of Israel. They have no right of return. No law suits initiated anywhere can change these facts. Those who lived in refugee camps did so because the Arab nations in which they lived refused to resettle them as citizens. Peace negotiations can succeed (the Oslo accords proved that), but only when Palestinians acknowledge the right of Israel to exist.
Every Jew should then sue every muslim country from which they were kicked out, as well as a dozen European contries including Spain, Italy, France, Germany who have murdered and kicked out the Jews and then Rome with Pope whose actions led to exile of the Jews from their home land 2000 years ago. Let's see who's going to win.
adam, google this..."ramallah refugee camp pictures" and tell me if
the pictures look like those tent camps in africa. you can be pro-arab,
that is your right, but look at the real picture. (pardon)
Chill,
You are correct but Palestinian crimes pale in comparison with Israeli crimes ...... better that Israel stops now while the going's good.
Marek, that is fascinating about those other large Jewish communities throughout the ME that Jwish people bought (I was unaware of that. We all know how it wasn't just the Nazi's who wanted to get rid of the Jews out of Europe, it was all of Europe who wanted them out in the 1940s. It was just the Naziis wanted to do it by killing them. The Jewish theology is bizarre and gets on everyone's nerves.
I think the right wing in Israel are harmful for Israel society in general. Clearly,Israel has made some glaring mistakes and violated Palestinians rights. However, the Palestinians are not innocent. The UN came up wih the two state solution in 1947. Israel accepted the U.N. solution but the Palestinians/Arabs refused under pressure from the arab world.Also, many Jews were driven off the their land as were Palestinians. So the jews also should have their right of return or compensated for it. Right of return would be suicidal for Israel since in the present day middle east including Pakistan the rights of minorties have been under attack for decades and many minority people have fles these lands.The middle east kingdoms are super rich yet the U.S. and other western gioverments give more aid than the middle east combine to Palestine. Add to the fact that many Christians and other minorities up to the present have been persecuted, killed and robbed of thier land by the very states that accuse Israel of human injustice.
let peace reign, my friends!! Merry Christmas
Yeah, like you are relevant.
It is the "rest of the world" that is consumed either with Jew-hatred or sucking on the teats of Arab oil sheiks. There is no logical explanation for denying the tiny little Jewish state its right to defend against continuous Palestinian war crimes. And contrary to the premise of this opinion piece, the only way the Palestinians are going to get a state is if they abandon terrorism, recognize Israel, and give up their dream to "return."
So what king of Palestinian terror you are talking of. Bombing through lases guided bombs by using F-16s.
Carl,
The Palestinians now have an internationally recognized state. Nothing is going to change that.
There is no longer any need for terrorism, just as Israel disbanded it's terrorists after it's statehood.
It now a legal and PR battle, and Israel now finds itself at a distinct disadvantage in both forums, thanks to it's extremist government.
A Jew and a Zionist living in Israel, I have long believed that Palestinians were themselves primarily responsible for the lack of peace. No more. The continuing military occupation of Palestinian territories, the failure of the Israeli government to openly and clearly delineate the borders it believes necessary for its security, the blatant colonialisation of lands we know the UN intended for the Palestinians, the government's relative inaction in the face of the increasingly radical and violent nature of the "Settler's Movement", the government's reluctance/refusal to enforce decisions of Israel's highest court that are favourable to Palestinians, the governments' ill-explained campaign againt the UN motion for Palestinian Statehood and its callous cynical response to its passing leave me no room for doubt: the current government of Israel is no less responsible for the failure of peacetalks than those they blame. I will always be a Jew and a Zionist but i'm forced to question whether the current Israeli government has anything to do with either.
Their is no such thing as "Palestinian War Crimes". You are probably talking about rockets fired off by Hamas, and since Hamas doesn't officially govern in Palestinian territories, they can't be labeled as "war crimes", and the Palestinian public can't be held responsible for them. On the other hand, Israel is an official government in which it's officials are officially elected – so only Israeli's actions can actually be labeled "war crimes.
Carl, what planet are you living in? The West Bank ahs tried to negotiate through peaceful means for a very long time. The PA has also stated many times that they recognize the statehood fo Israel. The Gazan's becuae of the blocade and being forced to live in an "open air prison"- in fact the world biggest prison lob home made rockets and some smuggled rockets to get their freedom. If you were "locked in " in Gaza you would do the same thing. Israel does not want peace. It wants to grab more and more land as is evident by the their latest settlement announcment. Do you think that the rest of the world is dunce? Is that why they voted "yes" in the UN?
The U.S. must stop footing the lion's share of the funding for the UN and have the UN operations relocated outside of the U.S.
Maybe they should have let Germany win WWII and we could have put the UN there right smack dab in Berlin. Better yet we should have let the Soviet Union and China take over most of the far east as well as Afghanistan so they could put a UN in Moscow. Such wonderful places that were pure bastions of peace and harmony would serve the best interests of the UN very well!
Correction; It is not the UN organization you should be attacking. It is the 138 national governments on this planet. .....good luck!
Moo, do you even realize that it wasn't US that won WWII? It was the Soviet Union who turned the war around, broke the back of Germans and purge the Nazis from most of Europe. Your knowledge of history is totally amazing and very American centered.
Moo, you really think like an American!!! Go ask the Vitenamese, the Iraqis, the Afghans , The libyans, the Chileans, the Granadanians, the Cambodians, the people of Hisroshima, Venezuelans, the Cubans, as t o how ownderful a place do they think of where he UN is now!!! The world is made up of more countries than just the USa and Israel!!! Learn to live in peace with the rest of the world and stop being America centred!!!
The state of Isreal is made up of land that was wrongfully acquired (war), do you think it will ever be able to live in peace with its neighbors???
Too many generations have suffer, my friends!!! Pray for the people of the Middle East in this somber season of Xmas!!
Jesse, there are a ton of folks who agree with you regarding Netanyahu & his stance on a Palenstinian Statehood. BUT......on a different avenue here; what's happened to Zakaria???? Has he lost touch with reality? This event ( The Palestinian Authority has won its campaign to be recognized as a non-member state of the United Nations) is a seminal event that will ensure that Palestine no longer needs to go through other Arab States (as a proxy) for weapons, and/or instruments of war, etc. I am astonished at Zakaria's novice assessment here. Geopolitically as well as just "geographically," the granting of Paleastine as a "non-member state of the United Nations" is the greatest failure of our State Department (yes...Clinton) & Obama as the POTUS. If Zakaria thinks this is not a failure as I described, then me & a ton of other political folks have a message for him......we will have a difficult time embracing any future political "models" he may espouse. What a loss of confidence in Zakaria! What a sad day for America. I am equally astonished that Obama is such a novice at foreign affairs. I have always expected Clinton to fail & knew upon her appointment that she was in over her head. BUT POTUS????? What a shock that this event has occurred under Obama's watch. I have lost MOST of my respect for him now.
Forget Zakaria, world court, etc. Not relevant.
Fact is Israel itself was created by a UN resolution. If Israel's motive is not to grab more Palestinian land, they should grant them statehood so that peace can be declared and the two people can live in peace. Everyone in the world will then be happy.
Lets be visionary about this. Peace not war is the way forward. But if Israel wants more land, we will see never ending war for generationsand one crisis after another.
Is it such a difficult thing to accomplish????
No, it's just shown once again who and what Zakaria REALLY is and what he really believes in. Lost count of how many apologetic pro Iranian articles he's posted here. He's a Nazi.
i totally agree...........a disaster for US...a super power being supported by minnows like palau and micronesia...hahaha ( abstainment by france and uk also should be an eye opener)...but USA is addicted to Israel...so get ready..
I think theres more to come in future
The U.S. and Israel are allies. It is not in the interest of either to change that. Seriously America, take a look around the Middle East and find your friends. Saudi Arabia, maybe? Yeah, except for that little incident on 9/11/01. I'll tell you what will happen if America cuts off aid and support to Israel. Israel will go to China, where it will find a very willing partner to buy Israel's technology. No way that's going to happen over $2B a year. Try some common sense.
Washington may need to relook at its association with Jerusalem, given that now they are all alone in that association with 95% of the worlds countries having voted in favor of palestine.
So true,Too many politicians,lobbyist of jewish faith in amercia are Israeli first & american second.How else can u continue having a double standard ;spend billions upon billions in securing israeli positions that are against int. law.The religious right plus biased news reporting by the likes of fox & cnn.does not help at all.And yet the infra structures,schools,etc.are roting away.Perhaps The United States of Isreal isn't that far off.
Spoken like someone who hasn't followed the situation in the middle east at all. All the Palestinians really need to do is to say that once agreeing to the land paramenters after real negotiations between the 2 governments, that they will accept the right of Israel to exist as a jewish state, and that there will be no more hostilites period. That's all the Israelis have asked for. Doesnt' sound too hard to do to me, unless the real motivce is that they will never accept Israel as a jeiwsh state with the right to exist right where they are. Why are the leftists and the eurotrash so unable to see this?
You are oversimplifying. As soon as Israel agree to pre 1967 borders and the right of return of the refugess, the Palestenians will recognize Israel. Why doesn't israel take the 1st step by declaring the border without any conditions?
One must know that U.N only have power to grant statehood and not Israel, Israel itself was only granted statehood in 1948 because of vote in the U.N, if tomorrow the U.N draws borders and assign a state to the Palestinians, Israel will have two choices, one, accept the U.N resolution if not the U.N will declare Israel as an invader (which violate international law) and Palestinians cause and fight will be further legitimized ....this is what Israel is afraid of which will further isolate Israel ...and Palestinians recognition at the UN as Observer state is a step toward this goal... now you understand the Israelis frustration ....
"One of the clearest things coming from this situation is how far removed the US & Israel are from the rest of the world... " which points out how far removed the rest of the world is from abject reality.
What is this made palestinian you speak of? There never has been a palestinian, never will be. Egyptians and Jordanians are what people make up gaza and the west bank, not "palestinians". I hope Israel goes in with ground troops and wipes them out.
Palestinians are the people who have their homes there. You know, where they live, kind of like you live in a house, their homes are there. They live there. Can you get that through your head, that they live there, and living there transcends anything you say about a "state" or anything Israel would do to make them leave their HOMES. If Israel doesn't respect men, women, and children who live in their own homes then the US should go in there and separate the two sides by force, declaring that every UN resolution against Israel is now in force by someone who is more powerful than Israel could ever hope to be.
They were rogues and criminals, outcasts their own arab countries did not want and sent to that land, both as refugees during british rule so they didn't have to deal with them, and later after Israeli independence to burden Israel in hopes of causing their destruction.
The Arabs who live & have lived in Israel are Israelis – not palestinians. The Jews who lived in arab counyries before they were expelled or harrased out were Jews living in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Morroco, Tunisia, etc. They were not Israelis they were Syrians, Lebanese, Egyptians, Iraqis, Morrocons, Tunisians, etc.
@ glsfbg:
That's about the most absurd nonsense I've ever read. Tell another f'n lie.
Dude, what are you taliking about?? I lived in Israel for nearly 15 years and ALL Israeli citizens are afforded the same rights whether they are Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Bahai, Druze... what have you. ALL citizens of Israel, women, men, children, etc. are treated the same and have the same freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of a fair education, same state supported healthcare (the US can learn from them) and of course the same right to vote. There are Muslims in the Knesset – how many Jews are serving in ANY of the surrounding arab states?
If you are talking about the citizens of the West Bank and Gaza, they had Jordanian and Egyptian passports respectively until the Jordanians and Egyptians gave them up and threw them to the dogs. I don;t understand why they have to be Israel's responsibility... Oh right, Israel is a fair democratic country that cares about all people. One thing I can say is that Israelis are very much like Americans; there is a large middle class and plenty of affluence. If the citizens of the West Bank and Gaza want this they can build it up themselves just as the Israelis did rather than aspire to steal it from the Jews.
John Q Public is correct. Although I wouldn't necessarilly call them all rouges and criminals but they do seem to be a people that none of the surrounding 30 or so Arab/Muslim countries will even consider absorbing. It is interesting how these people came to be Israel's responsibility after they took the West Bank and Gaza and then years later both Jordan and Egypt said, pretty much "here Israel, it's yours... good luck". So now they are Israel's problem. Like it or not, that is the reality of the situation.
You're correct on my post in one regard Adam. Not all are rogue criminals but they were bad enough their own countries disowned them.
The real victims here are those who've been born into this in the last 2 decades. Too bad they're indoctrinated into the same cycle of hatred of their ancestors.
Grossly incorrect statement Palestine was a prosperous society with Muslims, Christians and Jews living in harmony much before the coming of the Zionists. Please be sensitive to the suffering of people of Palestine and making statements like "go in wipe them off" is shameful.
Inaccurate. Palestine was never a society; it is a region. A region which for thousands of years was called... the kingdom, and later nation, of Israel.
But wiping out the Palestinians would be as patently unacceptable as wiping out the Jews.
Bull crap you lying piece of dung, look up the Hebron massacre , the Jerusalem riots, where miserable Islamic misanthropes murdered innocent Jews, or the Farhud in Iraq. Read the Hamas charter verbatim with its virulent murderous message how the muslims will one day kill all the Jews or the piece of feces Nasrallah the head of Hezbollah as to how now the Jews are all in one place it will be easier to kill them. Israel currently has close to one Million Muslims living in the ciountry wit equal rights and the highest standard of living in the entire middle East, for crying out loud the government even subsidizes their Mosques. All over the Muslim world there are basically no Jews left after having beeen tortured and murdered and thrown out of their ancestral homes go to hell with your lies.
Then shameful applies to Iran, Hamas, Hezzbollah, & the PLO whose charters state that they will wipe Israel AND Jews off the map.
Pre-state Palestine was one of the poorest places on the planet until Jews began developing it in earnest, draining the swamps and building farmland and industry. Arabs flocked to the newly propserous land for jobs created by Jewish inginuity and labor. Read Mark Twain's account of a land devoid of life.
...and I get tired how Hamas is constantly saying Israel should be destroyed. Not the best way to make a friend or even negotiate with an enemy.
Syed, you are correct. But keep in mind that it was a society; a region, never realy a country. Recall that it was the occupation of the Roman empire that called Judea the land of "Palistine" in an effort to disrespect, disgrace and demoralize the people who lived there. So the idea of a state called Palistine itself is an enigma.
Fine, then your Palestinians can drop their charter to wipe Israel off the map and agree once and for all to live peacefully in a two state solution, side by side as brothers. That's what Israel has always wanted, regardless what this news site or anyone else tells you.
Carl,
So what on earth does draining the swamps and creating industry have anything to do with human rights and international law.?
Prosperous? By whose standards? Haiti's? Sudan's? Certainly not by any Western standard.
I think you spent too much time listening to Newt Gingrich this year. Newt is what dumb people think a smart person sounds like.
TClement: Your racism is almost as blatant as your poor grammar. Luckily, there is still some hope for a peaceful resolution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. But it will only come if *both* Israelis and Palestinians decide that peace is in their best self interest, and apply pressure to their respective governments. A soultion will only come from the grassroots level, not from the top down.
It may interest you to know that there are Arab Israelis and that before the recognition of Israel, Jews in Palestine referred to themselves as "Palestinians." Also, a good third of Palestians are Christians. Be careful when you condemn a whole people to death – they may not be the monolithic, faceless horde that you consider yourself superior to.
o the People of Israel
Your PM Netanyahu made a huge mistake in lecturing the UN about his famous “red line” and interfering in the US elections. Now the UN has come back to Israel with the (’67) “green line”. You demanded that Iran not be allowed to pass the “red line”. Now 138 sovereign nations have demanded that Israelis do not pass the “green line”. The world will now interfere in your elections.
A vote for Netanyahu and Lieberman in January means erasing the “green line” and confirming the policy of apartheid. It’s your choice. Either become a respected member of the world community or continue thumb your nose at it. I suggest that the choice of a single apartheid state will mean a slow an agonizing death.
Tommy Boy. Are you drinking from Gingrich bottle? Joe mentality. Rigt ?
People like you shame America for bending backward and kissing Zionist behind.
True American don't go that low.
Thanks for the Trojan horse but no thanks. What you suggest will cause the slow (or fast depending on the birth rate) destruction of the " Jewish" state of Israel. No sane Israeli would agree to this. The problem remains with the Palestinians and their "thug" culture . Palestinians must renounce violence and swear to peace, If Hamas would lay down its arms now in a gesture similar to Sadat, their isn't one Israeli alive who wouldn't agree to a Palestinian state. Israelies are Xenophobic and most of us would like to cut all ties with the violent Arab world which is by the way becoming more violent everyday . The Arab spring is a joke which will explode in the face of the Europeans and the Americans, time is actually on the side of the Israelies, we have more patience than the Palestinians. The civil war in Syria is just a preview of what is going to happen in other Arab counties until they all become ....istan"s and all rise up in unison against the west.
Where is the Ghandi of the Arab world?????
You know good and well that many Israeli leaders want the land from the Nile to the Euphrates. Guess what, time is up. Time has ran out. There is no patience anymore for Israel oppressing the Palestinian people who live on that land. You also know good and well that Hamas previously agreed to the Saudi Peace plan which your "Greater Israel" so-called leaders rejected out of hand. Israel's land is pre-1967 borders. A "settlement" is what you do to another person's land. You know this good and well. Ask yourself why the world despises Israel and doesn't think you are moral people for what you do to the Palestinians. You are playing politics with things that are so simple. It is as simple as not oppressing another people and not stealing their land where their HOMES are. No one cares if Israel builds a wall around itself or even if Israel doesn't give Palestinians the right of return to Israel proper. You know this. Palestinians agree with this. Even Hamas agreed to this with the Saudi Peace Plan. No one thinks ill of Israel wanting Israel to be Jewish, just stop oppressing the Palestinians, stop taking taxes from them, and GET OFF THEIR LAND. It is theirs to defend, the airspace is theirs, the land is theirs. Get over it, Judea and Samaria don't belong to Israel and God see's this as just fine because God is more for all the Palestinians who just want to live un-oppressed than for anything Israel could hope for in terms of land. Ask yourself is God thinks it is okay to kick a Palestinian child in the face and then off his land. God doesn't agree with that.
I hear the reference to the pre 1967 boarders alot. However how many people know what they were? They were NOT Palestine but Jordan. Jordan doesn't want the west bank back. They want Israel to keep it. Nothing changed when Israel took over. Arabs that owned land in the West Bank of Jordan still owned land but now it is in Israel. THAT is the problem. Muslims didn't mind Jordan as a landlord but to have a Jewish landlord..OHHHH NOOO. Israel IS NOT building settlements on Palestine land because it was NEVER Palestione land. It was Jordan. Funny how the arabs never asked Jordan for a state. Many people see Israel as the agressor..The war in 1967 was to wipe Israel off the map..instead Israel acquired the West Bank from Jordan. With Gaza sending rockets Israel would be stupid to give land to a people that want to destroy Israel. Maybe the USA can give some of the Trade Tower land to the terrorists..yea right
Why 1967 borders? What of the Palestinians displaced in 1948? Frankly it is irrelevant. The Palestinians backed the wrong horse and lost big time. It is time to move on. They have enough land and enough people if they would quit fighting and start working. By their actions they are dooming themselves.
Jonathan and Joffre,
Helloooo, any one home? Did you miss the news last week? Its over. The State of Palestinian is now internationally recognized with the pre-67 borders including East Jerusalem. If you refuse to accept the confirmation from 138 of the nations on this planet, I suggest you are wasting your time.
Quote "Thanks for the Trojan horse but no thanks. What you suggest will cause the slow (or fast depending on the birth rate) destruction of the " Jewish" state of Israel."
What other motives do you think drives Zakaria's words, statements, and articles? That is exactly where he stands, all while pretending to hide behind that half-smile of false "peace".
If you are likening Netanyahu and Lieberman to Gandi, you just discredited yourself.
America supports Israel because America and American are morally bankrupt . Morally bankrupt Zakaria has clearly stated that under this framework followed by PA and negotiation process , Palestine state is not possible to be formed . Israel will never allow palestine people to live in peace . They want greater Israel .
A one state solution is the only path, but may not happen until after at least two generations are over. Nothing short of a complete blood transfusion. It needs a fresh breed of educated and peace-loving arabs and jews free from idealogical and fanatic educational system and outside influence. Start with a small parcel of land cohabitated by like-minded israeli-arabs with expanding boundaries until it engulfs all the territories pushing out the extremists from both sides.
Wrong moosebreath. See offer made by Barak when they met with Clinton.
I have another suggestion; Let the Palestinians first convince Israel that a Palestinian state won't turn into another rocket launching platform like Gaza, that they are not interested in destroying Israel (Like they proclaim at every opportunity) and that they will abide by all agreements. This UN initiative goes completely against the Oslo accords and therefore pushes their goal of statehood back even further.
Over the millenia the Jews have outlived the Greeks Empire, the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Assyrian Empire, and the list goes on. In a thousand years, the Jews will still be there but the 'Palastinians' will be another forgotten chapter in history, right along with the UN.
Apples to oranges. The Jewish state has not outlived those empires, only the Jewish people. But at the same time, the Greeks, Romans, et al, also still exist. Lame analogy.
Looks like Gaon DaVillna is a low-information person from some back-word country.
Ahmadinejad must be enjoying himself on this one. Netanyahu accelerates Israel on the road to self-destruction.
Greeks, Italians, Syrians, Turks they are all still here last I checked. Empires gone. Jews are still here. Whatever God promised to Jews not here-never will be. Palestinians are still here. They will be here tomorrow and for another thousand years. People of any race and nationality will always be here. Rulers, empires, super-powers will come and go, including US and Israel. Empires don't last forever.
You are either dumb, confused, ignorant or all of the above.
President Abbas, suffered a serious political during the Hamas-Israeli crisis. It was only remedied when Palestinian authority flags flew along with Hamas flags after the conflict. The question is would Hamas submit itself to the authority of Abbas? Also would they recognize the right of existence of the State of Israel?
Fareed, you overlooked one thing: Natanyahu has talked about granting Israeli citizenship to all Jews in diaspora, numbering over 10 million people, to allow them to vote from abroad. This, combined with the number of Jews living in Israel will outnumber the Palestinians and render this idea -of Palestinians outvoting the Jews- futile.
... but you will have a sick apartheid state that cannot survive.
Remember this,with peace comes the end of U.S.foreign aid,this is why peace will never be allowed in the mideast.Cut off ALL aid to the mideast and see what really happens-NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.
What should the Palestinians do Zakaria? How about quit trying to wipe Israel off the map as they've been sworn to do since 1947? How about quit launching attacks on Israel and US interests in the region, all while acting as Iran's facist Nazi surrogate? How about getting rid of their terrorists and murderers? How about quit teaching their children how to conduct fatwas, build bombs, and teaching hatred in their schools? How about recognizing Israel's right to exist?
If the philistines (I mean Palestinians) turn away from those acts above and start acting like civilized people, then Israel will welcome their status as a state. That's all Israel has wanted since 1947 regardless of the lies, based in hatred, you would wish us to believe Zakaria. Sorry but as usual you miss the mark and wrap your perceived intelligence in lies.
Majority of Palestinians(Abbas specially) have accepted Israel's right to exist and a 2-state solution. If you cared to to learn facts, you would've known it. But, you care nothing about the facts.
Just like Hamas, there are Jewish extremists in Israel Govt. who wants to wipe out Palestinians – ex. Avigdor Lieberman (and Arial Sharon's retarded son.) Only difference is Israel actually has the means to carry out the threa(just like Nazis).
Israel or it's leaders are not for a 2-state solution. They just want to grab Palestinian land illegally and continue with expanding illegal settlements. Israel is not interested in any peace or peace talks. Every time this subject comes up they keep demanding more and more from Palestinians. Keep moving the goal post for eternity.
Israel is temporary. Its not feasible for a jewish island to exist between a sea of muslims. Sooner or later Israel will be obliterated. The question is whether they want to go the easy way or the hard way.
Well, they'll exist so long as the world exists. Once that final end to Israel is threatened, it will all be done.
So sorry John Q,he's right,Israel is nothing more than a speed bump on the road of life .Once that speed bump is gone,the road will be smooth drivi ng.
Israel is drunk with power. Israel will self-destruct at some point.
They will take the hard way. They have nukes.
Israel CAN survive, but the prognosis is rapidly deteriorating , thanks to Netanyahu and Lieberman.
This whole mideast thing is a joke,period.They dont want peace and will never have it.We have gotten pulled in and cant get out. I do have the cure though,every time a weapon is fired or a rock is thrown,cut 100 million dollars from foriegn aid payments and watch how fast a peace will appear.Even I know this whole "SHOW" is about foreign aid anyway and without it,neither side will continue to exist and we can all sleep a little better with a little more money in our pockets.
The Palestinians need to show the Israelis that they're capable of civilized behavior. As long as hamas fires rockets into Israel, Israel won't budge. The Palestinians need to show they can be good neighbors, not a continual threat to Israel of suicide bombers. Israel gave up the Sinai for peace with Egypt. Israel gave up Gaza and look what happened. Thousands of rockets installed and launched. So the world is asking that Israel take a chance and give the Palestinians their own state and then hope for peace? When organizations like hamas are bent on destroying Israel and that's their only stated goal, then don't expect the Israelis to give in to anything. Every 4 years Israel will destroy Gaza in response to rocket attacks. Whether one agrees or not, it's up the Palestinian's behavior to get their statehood.
Hold on! Civilized behaviour you say? Let's remind ourselves of what they face. Not even 2 weeks ago 160 something Palestinians have died vs 3-5 Israelis. Let's see what you would do or say if you were where the Palestinians are. 100 Palestinians die for every 1 Jewish person. Do you not think you'd be a little angry? What if it was your family that was killed by a bomb? What would you do? Perhaps sometimes it's wise to flip the tables and see it from the other side.
Let alne the fact Zakaria is Jewish himself, do you think he's going to say anything bad about his own people? Open your eyes and don't be so biased and perhaps you'd see what the true problem is.
Completely agree with you Jason but just to clarify Zakaria is a Muslim and not a Jew even though it really means nothing in this context as he is speaking as a Journalist and not as a Muslim.
Then Hamas shouldn't have started firing against Israel. This was a culmination of a years worth of attacks against Israel. I guess the philistine's rulers really don't care about their own people. Oh yeah that's right. They place their troops and firing positions in hospitals, schools, and hide behind the defenseless. Chicken****s! They got what they deserve, actually even better than they deserve.
What if your kids were riding in your neighbor's car. Your neighbor gets mad when a car accidentally cuts him off so he chases after him. While speeding through the street, you neighbor loses control and hits a tree and your kids are hurt or killed. Who do you direct your anger towards? The driver of the car or your neighbor who recklessly endangered your children? If you blame your neighbor, as you should, you should realize that Hamas is to be blamed as well.
Jason, over half of those 160 Palestinians were combatants who initiated the attacks on Israel. Most of the civilians died because the terrorists hid behind them as human shields. You are entirely disingenuous to make such bogus "moral equivalency" claims. Hamas committed war crimes by firing at perfectly random civilian targets, while Israel very precisely went after the people shooting at them along with their weapons caches and command and control nfrastructure.
Zakaria is not Jewish. He's muslim, of Indian descent. Good grief, such revisionist history is awful convenient isn't it?
My dear brother Jason, Fareed Jakaria is an Indian American Muslim. But CNN is run by predominantly Jewish people. In fact, all USA main stream media is run by Jewish. No wonder when Israel attack and murder innocent Palestine's children and women over 60 years, deny their basic human rights, it appear to US media as " Israel has right to defend themselves" rather than calling them "terrorists".
Zakaria is not Jewish . Indian Muslim.
I choose to disagree. It is Israel's behaviour that must change if Israel has any hope of surviving in that neighbourhood. On top of that, 138 nations have just criticized Israel's behaviour.
I stand by the United states's decision any given day! The greatest country in the world!
"was" not "is"
Greatest country in the world – held hostage by apartheid/terror state Israel and it's crony AIPAC, thanks to corrupt politicians.
typical muslim that fareed...
anyhow, back to reality...
the pals want a state, they're going to have to negotiate directly, wirth no preconditions which HAS been available to them now for many many years...the issue is that the pals wont compromise on the issues that they know are the major points of contention, and so they want people like barack hussein obama and ban ki moon and baroness ashton to give them a state without having to compromise a thing. Why didnt obama tell abbas to drop all preconditions and sit down to talks during the 10 month freeze?? why is the pressure always said to have to be on the israelis? Israel has compromised for peace before with jordan and egypt and will do so again, but they will NOT just hand over everything and allow the palestinians to continue to deny israels right to exist...and what of hamas? no one seems to want to adrdress that at all.....israel has to have a peace deal with ALL palestinians, not just some factions and not others...
the demonization of the israelis is totally unfair and reflects biased and pure anti semitic notions...shame on your fareed.
What happened to your show, Sean? Is Fox's audit not done yet?
I am white and i hate israel. So what? I hate injustice. Do only sough africans hate the brittish? If you hate the right wing, does that mean you're a lefty? You could be a liberal? Maybe you have no views, but you dont like the right's ideology.
But yea, go back to Fox News. Ignorance truly is bliss
a typical muslim sympathizer that fareed...
anyhow, back to reality...
the pals want a state, they're going to have to negotiate directly, wirth no preconditions which HAS been available to them now for many many years...the issue is that the pals wont compromise on the issues that they know are the major points of contention, and so they want people like barack hussein obama and ban ki moon and baroness ashton to give them a state without having to compromise a thing. Why didnt obama tell abbas to drop all preconditions and sit down to talks during the 10 month freeze?? why is the pressure always said to have to be on the israelis? Israel has compromised for peace before with jordan and egypt and will do so again, but they will NOT just hand over everything and allow the palestinians to continue to deny israels right to exist...and what of hamas? no one seems to want to adrdress that at all.....israel has to have a peace deal with ALL palestinians, not just some factions and not others...
the demonization of the israelis is totally unfair and reflects biased and pure anti semitic notions...shame on your fareed.
Actually the answer is so simple. When the muslim poplulation in that area decide that they repect human life more than they enjoy glorifying death, and decide that they no longer want to threaten and terrorize the rest of the world, they will have their state. Fareed you understand this better than most, but you are biased and not to be trusted. They don't want their own state they want Israel. The UN is full of anti-semites like you. The problem is not the Israelis. Ask yourself, would the middle east be more peaceful if Israel was an islamic country? The answer is a resounding no... The entire world is being threatened my the Islamists.
I don't think you quite understand the difference between being antisemitic and anti-Israeli.
they are one and the same son...just as martin luther king said it would become over 40 yrs ago...he was a visionary and he knbew what anti semitism was...he believed that the jews and blacks in fact, had a lot in common and despite past mistakes, the jews helped the black community in america more than any other people.
I am not quite sure but anyway whats the meaning of ... 'The entire world is being threatened my the Islamists'.? People who have Islamic faith call 'Muslim' not Islamists. Too bad if you feel threaten but 2 billion people are Muslim around the world. Indeed, its a reality. If Muslim world stop to sell oil to USA tomorrow, lets see then how USA's economy runs. I bet Israel doesn't have anything to contribute to USA rather than take US tax payers 3 billion dollars each year. What a Moocher. Its OK for you be anti-islam, I guess that would call freedom of speech. But when wind blows different direction, you seem to have problem. This is call bias.
Only a minuscule percentage of Israel-Jewish population are Semites. European Jews are not Semites. They are Europeans converts to Judaism.
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A unique and highly strategic move for the Palestinians, if it were to take place. How would Hamas and the masses of Palestinians react?
Judging by the philistine's past actions in the last 65yrs, I think they're too STUPID to see the opportunity before them, put down their arms and embrace the two state solution.
I think that the only solution for lasting peace between Israel and the Palestinians is a two state solution. I have the following suggestions:
1) The real issue is the status of Jerusalem. Jerusalem needs to be given back to God, a religious precinct owned by no one and the capital of no state. Three of the worlds religions are represented there and it should be accessible for all you practice those faiths. A sort of Vatican only for the three faiths rather that the one represented at the Vatican.
2) All Palestinian factions need to recognize Isreals right to exist.
3) Israelis need to stop building settlements and give the ones that have been built back to the Palestinians.
These are the three stumbling blocks to real peace....
Hamas will never recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
Israel is not serious about a 2-state solution. Never was, never is, never will be. They just pretend they want that. If they are serious, they'll ignore Hamas and deal with Abbas. They don't deal with Abbas. Hamas is just an excuse Israel use when it suits them.
Palestine is in Jordan
and israel is europe or wandering around in the desert like homeless bums...learn from you history jews and stop screwing people...then the self inflicted persecution you all whine about just may stop
Israel is Palestine, if you want to go that route.
...Israel is behind the green line.
Israel has no incentive to do anything but keep the status quo. It is merely words to keep telling the Palestinians to keep negotiating when Israel has no intention meeting the biggest negotiating parameters, namely, stop the expansion into the Palestinian areas. Israel just wants to keep things the way they are and "hope" it all works out.
Here's a paradox: Israel is telling the world the world cannot do anything for the Palestinians but Israel is also appealing to the world how the Palestians should leave it alone. Israel: You can't have something for nothing! If you want peace, as you say, give up expanding settlements!
Actually, settlements could be the key as long as it leaves room for palestinians in between. All they need is a huge infrastructure of 911 call centers and an army of first responders and village cops for domestic violence and neighbors quarrel calls.
For ‘peace’ Israel would and should give ‘peace’ in return.
Now what else do the Arabs want from Israel and what would they give back to Israel in return?
apparently the hammecher Schlemmer rockets the Palestinians have launched against Israel were successful in granting an elite status level at the UN. The plan for the Palestinians should be obvious- fire more rockets at Israel, and when the reaction of Israel occurs- walk around with dead Palestinian children for CNN and they will get full statehood!
get over it jewstien...you did it to yourselves as usual
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Look who's talking – the Nazi that forgot all about the Gaza Concentration Camp ...
That is a shame the US Congress because of the partisanship do not get things done for the people of America whereas, they are very unfied to bend backward to supporting Israel.
BINGO..give the man a cigar...
They need money for the next election cycle. Everyone has a price! Steve
Mr. Zakaria, I have high respect for your thought process, and have always looked forward to your commentary. However, your proposal above has no legal basis. The Palestinians living in the West Bank are not citizens of Israel, in contradistinction to Israeli Arabs who are full citizens and enjoy all the rights and obligations of Jewish Israelis. If the Palestinian Authority is dissolved, that does not make all the Palestinians citizens of Israel; they will remain in a state of limbo until a final determination is made. Your proposal does not make legal sense.
My work here is nearly done. Thanks to me Obama has been re-elected, the teabaggers are on the run and Sarah Palin is no longer a household word. I have accomplished much and I am considering taking time off to write my memoirs.
What does any of this nonsense rambling have to do with this story, about the philistines? If you are done here as you say, then good, shut up and MOVE ON!
*poot*
i love it the world, the U.N. and the Palestians give the U.S. and there little turd called israel the finger..In your face AIPAC, AIPAC owned 8% approved traitors in congress...The U.S. and True Americans have been dragged and flushed down the toilet thanks to the digraceful, decietful turd called israel....hey 8% approval rated congress, how's that failed experiment called israel working out for ya...Wake up Americans you have been punked and sucked dry by the biggest parasitic leaches that have ever crawled the planet...AIPAC congress should be dragged out of office by ther gonads and hung for treason...this country will never ever win anything in the Mideast as long as out traitors in congress pander and coddle the turdstain called israel...ever since the creation of the frankenstein called israel the U.S. has been going down hill and in the toilet...israel and it's lover need to go...but don't go away mad just go away....maggots
Go back to your hole , please.
truth hurts eh jew??
Danny, you need to go back to your hole. Truth sure does hurt.
Joe, take your Nazi inbred hatred elsewhere.
israelis jews the new age nazi.........
Joe, you're truly an ignorant inbred racist liberal aren't you?
You are out of your mind. Israel has done so much for the world already in its short history. And, guess what. It is the 23 Arab and Muslim countries that don't allow freedom of religion. They won't let the Jews have just one state – and they ethnically cleansed all Jews from their lands – far more then any number of Palestinian refugees. I don't know why the moderators don't remove your hate filled comments.
Israel brings more bad news to the world than good news. Only because of corrupt US politicians Israel can get away with it's war crimes at will. Nothing lasts forever. Time will come where Israel will be held accountable for it's actions.
Well said Joe!
Look what happened when Israel left Gaza. Tha same thing would happen in the West Bank. The problem is that The Arabs wants Israel dead. Simple as that.
Israel should apply how Turkey treats the Kurds and handle the Palestinians that way.
Real question is: Did Zakhari lift this story off someone else? Recall, he was suspended for this a short time ago.
Respected Mr. Zakaria Garu,
About Palestians concerns, they having very least of Administrators and they having no patiance, thats why, they could not do anything and not success in front of World community. But , Israel concerns, they have all fecilities and all capabilities.
And Israel having more support from U.S. .........PALESTIANS NEED MORE PATIANCE.
Here's a concept.
If the Palestinians really want a state, maybe they should try NEGOTIATING for one. So far Abbas has outright refused to negotiate with Netanyahu. Complaining that he can't get anywhere with negotiations is like the kid who murdered his parents complaining he's an orphan.
Here's another concept. Maybe Palestinians should stop trying to MURDER JEWS.
Israel is a democracy. When Israelis felt that Palestinians really wanted peace, they elected leaders who pushed for peace. When Israelis see Palestinians denying THEIR right to statehood and trying to kill them, they elect leaders who are much tougher to negotiate with.
The FACT is that Israel has made peace with those who sought peace (Egypt, Jordan). Israel has made war upon those who seek war (Hamas, Hezbollah.) Palestinians: the choice is in your hands. CHOOSE PEACE.
Well said.
History tells us that in the long run the demographics almost always win out, I agree with the posters above that Israel is simply a speed bump in the story of Middle East. In less than a 100 years the Asians will be the dominant super power of the world, the economic and intellectual balance has already started to shift, soon US Empire will be in history books and so will Israel. The locals lost the area to the 1st Crusaders, but it lasted only for 87 years if I recall correctly...the Palestenianas have to simply persist.... on the bright side by then hopefully Humans would have realized that religion is more of a philosophy than truth, and we will be united to tackle the real earthly issues
Let's use history, as you speak about. How many times in the last 3000 years has the rest of the world stood up to wipe Israel off the map, claiming them to be "just a speedbump", only to be proven wrong EVERY TIME? Your skewed view of history (trying to insert the Palestinians into the land during the Crusades, when they didn't exist) is simply wrong. The Arab Califate ruled then, but the Jews still lived there. There will always be a chosen land, both physical and a spiritual Israel (which I will not reveal here) so long as time goes on.
What ridiculous nonsense from Zakariya...Palestinians giving up on the 2 state solution and giving up their idea of a free independent state and giving the Israelis full control of their lives for the hope the Israelis will treat them like normal ppl and and give them normal ppl rights, when for the last 60 yrs the Palestinians have fought, sacrificed, and suffered to get back the land that was taken from them by force, by ppl who treat them as is they were animals with no honor, humanity, or rights. The land was taken from them by force and still is...Its kinda like if the Indians who lived in this country a couple of thousand yrs ago were given protection by a tech powerful nation and the USA were given back to them leaving us Americans to have our homes taken and us to be treated like 3rd class citizen in what was our home.
Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria do not want one Palestinian on their soil and have done every thing they can to force them down Israel’s collective throat and keep them in the camps. But at the same time raise hell when anyone wants to send any their way.
If I was in their place I would be just as mad with my so called Arab brothers.
Look at Egypt today Christians are being killed in the name of Islam. In how many other countries are people of other religions being killed in the name of Islam? The two major faction of Islam are killing each other.
I know the two major factions of Christianity have done the same and also for the same reasons (1ST) POLITICAL POWER AND (2ND) RELIGIOUS DOMANCE IN THAT ORDER.
The difference is with a few minor exception Christianity has settled its differences. But that comes with maturity Christianity is a 1,000 years older and Judaism is 2,000 years older still give or take a couple 100 years than Islam. Maybe Islam will grow up and allow religious freedoms for their people in stead of condoning acid and gun attacks on young girls who just want to read and learn. Repression of women is a sure sigh of a fundamental weakness in the teachings of Islam. When you need to enslave half of you population to survive as a religion you weakness as men and leaders is absurdly apparent. The clock is ticking and Islam will die unless it really learns to be the peaceful teaching some profess it is.
Such assumption that Palestinians should allow themselves be governed by Israel is nonsense. Palestinians deserve to have their own state but will have to make few compromises with Israel. That said Israel cannot decide if Palestinians should be given non-observer status or membership. And the fact that Israel will not accept any decides made by the UN is rude and unacceptable. It should be in both parties interest to reach an agreement on Palestinians statehood and Israel security.
Jackson – take a look at how prejudiced and loop sided the UN and it's "human rights" counsel has become. Israel wrote to the UN 20 letters in the last year begging it to do something about the shelling from Hamas. The UN didn't do anything – didn't even respond.
The UN Human Rights Counsel is made up for mostly fascist and barbaric regimes – including genocidal Sudan, recently elected. Just this year alone the UNHRC has issued 21 sanctions against TINY Israel and 4 against the entire rest of the world combined. Read about it at http://www.UNWatch.org – whose mission is to hold the UN to its original mission! Ask yourself, given the repressive and murderous regimes throughout the world, why is it so lopsidedly focused on Israel. I'll tell you why: because there is a HUGE business collecting bribes and diverting monies by NGOs in the name of "palestinians." There are tons and tons of people making big bank off of the "sob story." Turn your attention and allegations of "rudeness" for the 42,000 Syrians killed by other arabs in the last 18 months! A number thats three times the number of arabs killed by Jews in all of Israels' history, including in wars she didn't start, and even including the 30 years before the state was established.
So LoveMon what is your point? I asked this because in your replied to my comment, who did not provide anything that suggest that Palestinians do not deserve to have their own state. But instead you criticised the UN for standing for PEACE and JUSTICE. It was this same UN that stood up for Israel when it needed its own state.
So LoveMon what is your point? I asked this because in your replied to my comment, you did not provide anything that suggest that Palestinians do not deserve to have their own state. But instead you criticised the UN for standing for PEACE and JUSTICE. It was this same UN that stood up for Israel when it needed its own state.
The the solution is a ONE STATE SOLUTION ONLY with right of return. Then they can let everyone vote. It solves all the problems. One Jerusalem and one capital. No divisions. The all the people of Israel and Palestine be one nation as they have always been. They have lived together for centuries before the influx of the Europeans Jewish settlers moving in and forcefully taking territory and pushing out the poor vulnerable people. Israel is an state forcefully created by the US and European influence by the Jewish lobby control over these western nations.
If you are setting on a bench on one side of a park eating a sandwich and someone throws a rock "rocket" and hits you. What is your response?
(1) Laugh and say that’s ok the bleeding will stop soon and continue to eat your sandwich.
(2) Call the police "UN" and make a complaint and find that it was your fault for setting on the wrong bench.
(3) Throw the rock back along with 2 or 3 more and be told that your response was excessive by the ones who hit you with the first rock.
(4) Finley stop setting in the park and let those who like to throw rocks can move in closer and throw rocks at you house.
(5) Send little boys and girls with bomb vest doing what men in Hamas who’s brainwashing job make them think it’s a good thing to do.. Then cry when the men who sent these children are held accountable.
(6) Repeat steps 1 thru 5 until no one is left.
Don’t you just love the Middle East? Been killing each other for 5000 years and it is always someone else fault.
I go for number 3, then continue until they're scared and p***ed their pants, then haul them back to their parents and take the parents on making them realize they can't win, and convince them to put their "children" in line.
Why is the conversation, like all these, always about how we can help palestinian moslems? Don't moslems already have enough people, land, wealth, natural resources, political influence, their UN and world fanclubs, etc. etc?
And most people think favoring the palestinian moslems over the palestinian jews even in the jew's tiny country is being "even-handed"? It's not.
Land is so over-rated. It's just land. It's not even that good! Have the Palestinians buy an island or something! Do you really want to spend the rest of eternity crammed next to the Israeli's? Let'em have it. They are going to screw it up for themselves anyway.
Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria do not want one Palestinian on their soil and have done every thing they can to force them down Israel’s collective throat and keep them in the camps. But at the same time raise hell when anyone wants to send any their way.
If I was in their place I would be just as mad with my so called Arab brothers.
Look at Egypt today Christians are being killed in the name of Islam. In how many other countries are people of other religions being killed in the name of Islam? The two major faction of Islam are killing each other.
I know the two major factions of Christianity have done the same and also for the same reasons (1ST) POLITICAL POWER AND (2ND) RELIGIOUS DOMANCE IN THAT ORDER.
The difference is with a few minor exception Christianity has settled its differences. But that comes with maturity Christianity is a 1,000 years older and Judaism is 2,000 years older still give or take a couple 100 years than Islam. Maybe Islam will grow up and allow religious freedoms for their people in stead of condoning acid and gun attacks on young girls who just want to read and learn. Repression of women is a sure sigh of a fundamental weakness in the teachings of Islam. When you need to enslave half of you population to survive as a religion you weakness as men and leaders is absurdly apparent. The clock is ticking and Islam will die unless it really learns to be the peaceful teaching some profess it is.
So, blatant violence against civilians based on an archaic interpretation of a religion, along with hypocrisy and terrorist tendancies really DOES pay. Got it...
yes the exiled eroupean jews were experts at it...bomed and killed 100 brits in the King David hotel massacre. 2 months later the turd called Izreal was granted statehood 2 .....I guess skumbag hypocrits make lousy teachers
So what, it was their land, given to them 3000 yrs before the brits ever decided to suppress them. And for the record, what's not written is that the brits looked on the Jewish refugees not much better than the Germans did during the war. Their fight was rightfully with Britain.
The clause "If" has denied the theory. Kosovo had it even when it does not have the Palestinian population. South Osetia had it. In a one state solution who controls the system, Israel is fighting demographics & would never allow Palestinians overtake Israel in population in one state solution, Right of return to Israel. It can get the best out of 2state solution if it wants with logic.Relying on weapon 've never saved any1. It brings states,non states & organizations to be equal militarily.
What I think is a better solution is to grant the West Bank Area Statehood and not Gaza. Reward the Palestinians that have not been waging a war of blind terror. That would be the clearest signal to all Palestinians that civil behavior is rewarded and anti-social violent behavior is punished. Let Israel and other nations donate the funds necessary to build all the infrastructure that would be needed to allow the West Bank to be self sufficient and be done with it. Then let the citizen’s of Gaza watch as their West Bank brothers and sisters begin to live lives of peace and prosperity. I’ll bet it wouldn’t take long for Gazans to realize that they need cast off Hamas like a bad skin and join the rest of the civilized world.
I can see you are pure evil.this solution is ingenious it causes Israel honestly deal with the Palestinian problem. They have to deal with it sooner or later because at present they are committing suicide slowly.technology is moving too fast and people are 2 evil and something stupid unexpected is going to happen that is going to put the entire region in flames
If it will have no impact, Why hindu Jew's, criminal self centered and their hindu gentile, terrorist slave governments of the west will be do strongly opposed to state hood of Philistine. Keep up the good work people of Philistine.
Thoughts:
1. Recent predictions put US energy independence at only about 20 tears away, now that the oil sands and shales are profitable. In 25 years or so we will become the number one oil exporter
2. Alternative energy is getting more efficient, cheaper and more utilized every day. New EPA standards will make propane cars (US propane) and electric cars (powered by electricity generated by a mix including "Clean Coal" from the US" a requirement for makers to get their fleet MPG up to the new standard .
Results:
The middle east, (in particular the Palestinians) better get its act together before the US, Europe, and other big players do not need them. If they do not make concessions, accept that they will never be treated as equals by Israel ( they ain't as far as might goes), stop the violence, and approach Israel with their hat in hand and ask for some land will they get their own state. Once the West does not require stability in the region so oil can flow, Palestine will be forgotten.The West only cares when money is involved. ( See Rwanda or any other non stop violence) If the country is not on Oil or some other precious resource nobody cares. The ONLY country with its act even partially together in the mid-east is Israel. If the rest of the world stops paying attention because teh oil runs out or they do not need it, Israel will solve the issue with the IDF. Boom no more palestinian issue. In the beginning the US may have been propping up Israel, but now we have an angry and very powerful pitbull on a leash. If teh US walks away and lets Israel of its leash, Israel will settle this to no one in teh Arab world's liking. Iran will only fight a proxy war, if they do not get nukes. Even if they do, The best they can hope for is M.A.D. (mutually assured destruction) with Israal, who is known to already have nukes and a nuke sub ( why the even exist at all) .So Iran wll fund terrorism etc, and rattle their swords, but not much else. The israeli's have proven their determination, and will likely bomb Iran's reactors again soon to keep Iran from having their only chip in the game.
Bottom Line: The Arabs may have a brotherhood and talk about solidarity, but teh Arab league is more dysfunctional than any family ever seen on Maury Povich. Israel is the only regional superpower. The arab countries have not progressed passed tribal culture and will not be real players on the world stage until they do. Opec was their greatest moment, andthe real leaders of that were the Swedes etc. If they really cared for and loved their muslim breathren in Palestine they could easily pull another 70's style embargo, and bring t he West to its knees. Israel's supporters would demand that they give the Palestinians some land. But they can't they are all too greedy and self centered.
I for one would love the US stop wasting my tax dollars on being the world's policeman. Throw the UN out (useless anyway) tell Israel and the others to settle it and we will accept the last man standing as winner, as long as the oil supply is not effected. Become neutral like switzerland, except for the nukes:). New big stick policy. Leave us alone or get turned to glass. Oh, by the way stick with the Geneva convention though. One of the articles of War is that any enemy combatant caught behind the lines without a uniform or acting as a saboteur can be treated as a spy and executed without a trial. AlQaeda officially declared war in the US. Their training videos show men in fatigues (uniforms). We all know about them and sabotage. Got caught in a rag top? too bad. Gitmo solved. Yay!
Nobody needs the little parasites!
Why should people living in Camp Gaza and Camp Westbank as virtual captives be asked for compromises?
Jason, you do not understand how the world works. Whether or not you agree with one side or another; Might makes right, the Winners write History etc. I agree that Israel hasn't been and isn't clean or blameless, but they have just as much hatred and determination and vastly more guns and resources. That's why the Palestinians should havetheir hat in hand and ask for something. Otherwise their kids can grow up in grinding poverty...just like them. Some times you just have to knuckle down and swallow your pride.
I am not on Israel's side at all. However, I am not against them either. The Palestinians need to look at the solution in Ireland and wake up. The IRA did. They realized they could never beat England, and England was fine with them killing each other and living in poverty as long as they wanted to. Israel is teh same with the Gazans. They are not giving up or sharing Juruselam period. End of Story. The Palestinians have no way to force that to happen, so should get over it and remove it from teh Hamas charter or whatever. The IRA did de-comission their weapons and go to teh bargaining table. Ireland isn't perfect, but its a darn site better than Palestine.
Zakaria the fish faced freak needs to go back to China or where ever he is from worthless little freak.
Zakaria should go work for Al Jazeera. They would appreciate another mouth piece for the Muslim campaign against Jewish sovereignty.
You can make you font bold but it doesn't make you smart.
The main problem for any Palestinian strategy is that Israeli and American policy has changed from asking the Palestinians to recognize Israel as state to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The second scenario makes it impossible for a one state solution. Secondly it is false to say that thing will come through negotiations. After all look at Kosovo. The United States and a select few recognized Kosovo's borders without any negotiations or agreements between Serbia and the Albanians. The Albanians are now playing the waiting game until enough pressure will be placed on Serbia to force it also to recognize Kosovo. The Palestinians have learned from this strategy and basically got the recognition from far more countries than Kosovo can ever imagine to have. The Palestinians will now be content to play the waiting game like the Albanians in Kosovo. The difference now is that the Palestinians can use the International Court of Justice against Israel. When one thinks off all this situation this is really the strategy that Israel and the United States are hoping the Palestinians will not use. Not only does it undermine Israel's position in terms if the world but it also shows how American policy is selective. There is one set of rules that apply to Kosovo and Serbia as an example and another set of rules that apply to Israel and Palestine.
The Palestine Jews gave the Palestine Arabs the Gaza strip as an experiment that did not turn out very well. So, it will be very dificult for the Jews to give more land to the Arabs knowing that it will be used as launch pads for rockets against Israel.
Israel is the biggest loser in this Palestinian UN bid. Israel will need to find a way to withstand the growing international pressure that seems to be building around it. This UN bid is actual a plot to isolate Israel on the international scene. Just as Serbia is surrounded by countries that have recognized the unilateral none negotiated declaration in Kosovo, so is Israel surrounded by countries that have supported the unilateral Palestinian declaration. Israel like the Serbs will either need to cave in at a certain point or will need to continue keep strong and isolate the Palestinians. Luckily for Israel 8 strong countries in the UN have said no to the Palestinian state.
Word Jew is based on Hebrew word Ya hood, meaning self centered or a hindu secular, criminal self centered, humanity need not them to be around, for peace in truth absolute. hindu's deniers of truth absolute GOD by faith pretending to be, HEBREW, FOLLOWER OF TRUTH ABSOLUTE GOD, to hind, fool humanity.
Fareed it kind of disturbs me you want them to protest and riot. Idealistically you are correct, though I would argue that instead of splitting they should vote and be part of Israel and be democracy. However, realistically if they protested especially in Israel, let's be real, it's not going to be some peaceful democracy drenched protest. It would devolve quickly and become a nightmare scenario for both parties involved.
What should happen is the Palestinians should be able to participate in democracy in Israel or they should leave. Israel's been a nation long enough. First Israel has to give Sinai away after legitamately taking it in war. Then they let Gaza pretty much secede only to have it turn into a terrorist launching pad aimed at them. So it is unfair to keep demanding that Israel must give up more land every decade until they cease to be a nation. If you let the West Bank secede then they will be demanding Jerusalem. If you give that up they'll demand Tel Aviv. If you give that up they'll demand the whole place. Where does THAT line get drawn? Where do the arabs say "well Israel can at least exist as a nation"?
Oh and don't blame America for this mess, the Brits are the ones that caused it! America gives plenty of money to both Israel AND the arabs, so saying America funds Israel is true, but we fund the arabs too!
This is one of the stupidest articles I have ever read by Mr Zakaria.
Israel does NOT have the power to give the Palstinians a state, but rather they themselves. The moment they renounce terror, give up their 'excuse of return' to Israel proper, agree to land swaps, and agree to a demilitarised state, then there might be a chance for peace to emerge. As the Israeli amabassador said after Abbas in the U.N., we will not let build an Iranian-backed terror state in the middle of our country..."
Clearly, few israelis want a one state solution, and the Palestinains have no right to what Israel built by itself and what it was terrorised for 60+ years (social welfare, education, construction, economy, etc.). Lets see how they can do it themselves.
It will not change a damn thing because USA is the cancer of peace around the world. Frankly how many wars USA had prevented and bring peace around the world thru peaceful talk and compromise– NONE
After all the financial aid and jobs and technological know that USA and Israel gave India, I was appalled to read that India voted for Palestine. What a slap on the face of USA and Israel by India....our so called ally !!!!! i hope we learn from it. India betrayed us in Iran, Libya, Syria. I wonder what we are waiting for before we send the fifth fleet to decimate them.
I would deport 10% of Indians from America and stop all H1B visas to send them a strong message. DON'T MESS WITH AMERICANS.
Kick these Indians to the curb. i dont want my tax dollars going there.
Well done India ....
In other news you'll never see on CNN:
A day after the United Nations General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to upgrade the status of the Palestinians, senior Israeli officials authorize construction of 3,000 (!) new housing units in a contentious area east of Jerusalem.
Julie, Palestinians build at 3x the rate of Jews in the disputed territories – the reason Jews what to negotiate for the two state solution is to account for security and regional realities in this TINY country. You aren't talking even US state-sized land – its tiny neighborhood by neighborhood. The real truth is that Abbas has stated that he will not let ONE JEW live in land he considers Palestinian. And given that both Hamas & PLO charters consider all of ISRAEL to be theirs, this is a non-starter for negotiation. As yourself, Julie, why did Egypt & Jordan not give Gaza and the West Bank to the Palestinians when they controlled those territories until 1967? If it was Palestinian land, why didn't those countries give it to them?
Tiny country armed to teeth with nukes and WMD's. Regional bully with ambitions to outdo Nazis with ethnic cleansing.
A much better question Zakaria, would be to ask why Arab and Muslim countries cannot let there be just one Jewish state? Afterall, there are dozens of Muslim countries who deny the rights of all other religions. Jews were forced to migrate – and have settled and moved on to create their own country. Was it fair what Jews have experienced in the last 100 years? Nope. Is it fair that some Arabs have been forced to migrate? Nope. But is it some horrible crime out of balance with the entire middle east, let alone the rest of the world. NO WAY. Widen your lens and stop picking on Jews. Enough. And sadly, even liberal Jews, myself included are done with the hypocrisy. Turn your advice to the 42,000 Syrians killed in the last 18 months – a number 3 times the most conservative estimates of Arabs killed by Jews since the Balfour declaration – almost 100 years! Enough of twisting history into lies. Jews are not leaving their homeland. I'd like to see you write about the inability for Jews to live in Arab countries though out the middle east – and write about the million Jewish refugees forced out of their homes in countries established at the exact same times as Israel. Where are your columns about those injustices – done at the same time – and to a greater number of Jews then Palestinians? I'd love to read that Mr. Zakaria.
This Zoinist regime is not a problem of Palestinian rather it is shame for humanity. Who the hell these muslim countries.
This is the problem of Human Race.
Israel suffered a humiliating defeat at The UN yesterday. The nations of the world stood up and said NO to the Jewish state – NO to Israeli occupation, NO to Israeli human rights abuse, NO to Jewish racism. In effect, they stood up and confessed to serious Zio-fatigue.
I love when countries such as Syria, the Peoples Republic of China and Somalia vote "yes" on these subject matters. It gives the UN much more class, especially when it comes to human rights abuses.
To put it into perspective when a nation such as Israel conquers land when defeating its enemies and "persecutes" its indigenous population, they are reprimanded for not giving the land back. When the United States conquered the land it lays claim to and persecutes its indigenous population but calls it "Manifest Destiny," that is considered copacetic.
Perhaps it's time we consider returning back to our ancestral homelands, out of fairness, of course.
Palestinian charity event
If anybody wants them, I can get four tickets for the Robbie Knievel (son of Evil Knievel)
Robbie will be flying into NewYork to stage an event at the Mosque next weekend.
He is going to try to jump over 10,000 palestinians using a Caterpillar D-9.
Well at least CNN is consistent. More extraordinarily WEAK analysis from CNN. Israel will never make such moves. Any attempt to agitate or disrupt life in Israel by the Palestinians would be met with a sever response. The only options, and I do mean the ONLY option for the Palestinians is to accept Israel's right to exist. The hamas as the elected leadership of the palestinian people does not and will not accept Israel's right to exist. Until this happens, Mr. Abbas is on a fools errand without any hope to achieve anything meaningful for his people.
Khaled Mashal has never been to Gaza. Where doe he get his money???
Citizens of Israel both Arabs and Jews have the right to vote. Palestinians have chosen not to be citizens
What is should do.......is to wake up the people of America, that the U.N. does NOT function in the interest of the U.S. Not in any shape or form.
The U.N. is a largely useless organization, that America has pumped a ton of money into, that does nothing for America.
Good Idea. I'll sit back and watch you change the world. I'm waiting...
The country who develops the most will be the winner at the end of history. Even if Palestine gets what they want, it'll be failed state or struggle to catch up (Just like Pakistan which split from India). Israel's population will keep growing and developing. Some Palestinians willingly move to Israel because they are safer and have better opportunities and education. The Arab nations are already crumbling with their smartest minds being either killed or immigrating to their 'enemy' the West for a better life. Just saying you're a state or country doesn't make everything better. If you can't provide a functioning society you'll have to beg to bigger nations anyway for help. Palestinians aren't looking at the big picture or the future.
While I hate how Israel treats Palestinians and isolates them, you have to hand it to them for preventing many suicide bombings and violence within the country. There hasn't been any major violence in Jerusalem since Israel was put in charge and put in place intense security measure. Without the intense security and precautions Israel would have suicide bombs every week like Iraq or Pakistan. Makes you wonder.
Finally!
A people cannot be deprive of a State as long as HOPE lives on. Israel will have to come around and give the Palestinians the State they deserve. The white South Africans had to do it and so did all the colonial powers of the past centuries.
Please do not misconstrue my believe of freedom for a people to mean support of State terrorism to deny a people or terrorism as a means to gain a state.
Jews are the most racist group of people that have ever existed
Using the word 'racist' is bigotted. Hence you are a bigot. There is only one race: the human race. And to state such hate is a sure sign that you really are a bigot. Some friendly advice. Don't say that out loud.
You are an I D I O T!
Let's review. The UN declares Israel a state and grants a piece of land for the state in 1948. Arabs immediate start a war and lose. Start another war in 1967 and get the living @^&t kicked out of them along with losing terrotory as is prone to happen in a war. Start another was in 1973 and lose again. All along the years they decry the UN and it's decalaring Israel a state. Mid 1980's to present day. Constant suicide bombers, missle launchings, rock throwing and general trouble-making with 'mini' wars-if you will. Now the PLO or whatever they are calling themselves today wants the same UN they decried all these years to grant a state for them. Israel has had a two state solution on the 'board' in multiple talks only to rebuffed multiple times with aforementioned violence. The 1967 borders are NEVER going to exist again for the PLO. Their best option is to bargain for peace, keep what they have and negotiate some of the settlements back to them. A constant din of war, hate talk, bottle throwing and other violence is NOT going to lead to a peaceful solution. And the UN-as useless as it is- is not going to settle this soon or at all.
This brings the so-called Palestinians under UN jurisdiction so they can be tried for war crimes.
we have a nices cozy cell for the akk king of the akk jews an or israls an so on an so on i say hang him like mosaleany bren him like hitler hang them like nozis big boss men then mybe hebe boss man can get with it in his next life,.pnm,.
Are you shooting junk again? Go for a time-out and get some clean needles.
to the People of Israel
Your PM Netanyahu made a huge mistake in lecturing the UN about his famous “red line” and interfering in the US elections. Now the UN has come back to Israel with the (’67) “green line”. You demanded that Iran not be allowed to pass the “red line”. Now 138 sovereign nations have demanded that Israelis do not pass the “green line”. The world will now interfere in your elections.
A vote for Netanyahu and Lieberman in January means erasing the “green line” and confirming the policy of apartheid. It’s your choice. Either become a respected member of the world community or continue thumb your nose at it. I suggest that the choice of a single apartheid state will mean a slow an agonizing death.
There was a Palestine before there was an Israel. Bush II promised a Palestinian state by 2005 and lied. There are 6 million Palestinians and 6 millions Jews in Israel and the Occupied Territories. Officially the US still recognizes the pre1967 war borders. Palestianians are Muslim, Christian, and Jew. Multiculturalism works. Look at Switzerland and Canada and the USA. Interfaith dialogue and intermarriage between Palestinians should be encouraged. War has gotten both sides nothing. War is only death, destruction, disease, and horror. Work for peace.
http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-03-2012/myths-canada-health-care.1.html
I guess all those Arab countries shouldn't have attacked Israel over and over, losing territory is what happens when you lose a war.
You may want to look at international law. It is totally illegal to keep land seized during war.
Israelis won't be willing to accept a "palestinian" state until the "palestinians" are able to accept that Jews have a right to have a state of their own and stop preaching hatred of Jews, Christians, other non-Muslims, and the destruction of Israel. Until that happens, there will never be peace nor a "palestinian" state.
The best solution for the Palestinians is a one state solution. The dream of a two state solution, living side by side in a viable harmonious fashion, is just a dream. The Israelis ultimately want the Palestinians to be driven to Jordan, the Israelis want a Jewish state that eventually includes the lands of Gaza and the West Bank. The best solution for the world, and the Palestinians, is a one state solution, a state that welcomes both Jews and Palestinians. However, many Israelis insist upon a JEWISH state, a state that is defined on race. Many Israelis do not welcome the idea of living with Palestinians who enjoy the same rights and freedoms as Jews, and many Israelis fear being outnumbered by the Palestinians ( once the Palestinians are given the right to return). I wonder if the idea of defining a state based on race, a Jewish state, is a racist concept. I can't help but believe that many Israelis are racists and supremacists, they can't tolerate the idea of sharing Israel with the Palestinians. Why can't the Jews share Israel with the Palestinians. Why can't Israel be a state that welcomes both Jews and Palestinians. Why does Israel have to be a Jewish state, and why is the idea of a Jewish state not racist.
You people are absolutely hopeless...nice example
i did but no posting??????
Israel: It's your country! Don't give in to the world's PC nonsense or Hamas terrorists! Don't negotiate anything...
We will establish Sharia over the land of the jews . They will bow to Allah or die.
You strike me as a slow learner.
No. Hamas with still be a terorit organization and still attack Israel!
A Jew and a Zionist living in Israel, I have long believed that Palestinians were themselves primarily responsible for the lack of peace. No more. The continuing military occupation of Palestinian territories, the failure of the Israeli government to openly and clearly delineate the borders it believes necessary for its security, the blatant colonialisation of lands we know the UN intended for the Palestinians, the government's relative inaction in the face of the increasingly radical and violent nature of the "Settler's Movement", the government's reluctance/refusal to enforce decisions of Israel's highest court that are favourable to Palestinians, the governments' ill-explained campaign againt the UN motion for Palestinian Statehood and its callous cynical response to its passing leave me no room for doubt: the current government of Israel is no less responsible for the failure of peacetalks than those they blame. I will always be a Jew and a Zionist but i'm forced to question whether the current Israeli government has anything to do with either.
They need to live as one nation, one people and respect and love for each other, irrespective of belief systems. Please stop dragging US into wars and learn to live on your own and let us live on our own.
A one state solution is the only one left since the Zionists have painted themselves into a corner.
This week the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly endorsed genocide.
They essentially voted to grant statehood to the the terrorist organizations operating
in and around Israel. A large majority of nations voted to grant nation status to
groups of thugs who have declared their mission is to wipe Israel off the map.
The UN General Assembly voted to carve up the land of Israel and create
a 22nd Arab/ Moslem dominated country, a 58th Moslem controlled country, and
to undermine the survival of the only Jewish state. The UN General Assembly voted
to grant statehood to terrorist organizations whose singular goal, beside seeking
money and power, is to annihilate Israel and to exterminate the Jewish people.
The UN did not denounce the terrorist supporting nations or the terrorist
organizations that are planning the next Holocaust. The UN did not criticize the
bigotry and intolerance oozing from many regimes in the Middle East. The UN did
not condemn the oppression, violence and ethnic cleansing being perpetrated in
every corner of the Middle East. Instead they chose to endanger the only free,
democratic, humane, and just nation in that part of the world.
This devious and immoral act by the UN guarantees that there will
be another major war waged against Israel that will certainly result in a large loss
of life as Israel is forced once again to fight for her survival. The UN should be
ashamed of itself.
When are you moving to Israel, Doug? Don't you have the guts to steal someone elses house or farm? Do you even have the guts to burn down an orchard or bulldoze a water well? Evidently not. You just sit in your mommy's basement in Brooklyn whining and crying, a "checkbook Zionist and "keyboard settler". You're a semi-American, at best, a disgrace to the USA. When are you leaving for the "Hebrew South Africa"? Waiting for someone to buy you a one-way ticket?
It just a test too try and trip up the plo leadership into more fighting,in the end all the HEBREW ISREALITE land from egypt to iraq will be given too the hundreds of millions of Hebrew Isrealites of the 12 Tribes of Hebrew Isrealites who are not all back in the whole land of yisreal,YAWH has not lied its man that has lied.
The gigs up people are seeing no results no solutions just lies upon fake one hour photo peace fake truce,its stop and go fighting,there will be no real peace only YAH can Bring Peace.
Everyday Israel dreams about Palestinians having their state, the only thing they ask in return is for that state to recognize Israel's right to exist and stop terror activities, wich so far Palestinians were not willing to do.
What exactly is this so called "right to exist"? Is it a "divine right"? If it is, then you can print "all men are created equal" on toilet paper. If this so called "right" is merely "right of conquest" then the land belongs to whoever can steal it, exterminate the natives, and conquer it completely. Which is it? Which will you support? When are you moving to the "Hebrew South Africa"?
You may want to look at the Israeli announcement this week of building thousands more apartments in the region east of Jerusalem that had been designated as Arab land by the UN. A nation that keeps stealing its neighbor's land does not seem to be too much interested in peace. A recent poll has shown that over 3/4 of all Israeli Jews are in accord with their government's actions. Shame.
In the early 1920's, at request of Britain, your cherished UN broke out the section of palestine east of the jordan river, gave it to the moslem hashemites, and added the condition that no jew could settle there. This was 77% of the area of palestine. Jewish settlement was to be west of jordan river.
All this discussion is about now giving moslems, who will certainly exclude jews, a large chunk of the last 23% of "palestine."
Does this change your thinking about who is being "victimized?" (I doubt it.)
why not...why it is OK for the FK Israelis and not OK for Palestine people who lived before the Jews even arrive to Palestine... why this double standard !? if the UN vote take it....if UN vote for you it is OK but when it vote for others it is not OK...go fk your self NATO if the judge is our enemy how we expect justice ....why you dont go FK Iran and Iran who killed 70,000 cevilinas until now why usa , Israel and NATO are so cowered!!! just go after poor people in Somalia and Trinidad and some small nations and leave the real evil iraninas....
The UN vote says it all 138-9 for the Palestinian State. ?????It looks like the US is on the wrong side of history with that vote . If there is so much fear about war crimes investigations , it is there for a reason.
there will never be peace in this region so long as Israel confuses might with right (just look at this week's announcement of more settlements in Arab territories east of Jerusalem). Five years from now, ten years from now when BOTH sides have access to nuclear weapons this will play out in some horrendous way. oy veh!
There is an excellent article in this month's National Geographic that depicts the horror that is the life of Gazans under the Israeli blockade. Almost everything they need to live (food, fuel, building materials, etc) has to brought in through one of the hundreds of tunnels between Gaza and Egypt, and this of course affords Hamas the opportunity to bring in the materials they need to build more rockets. Talk about a policy backfiring on the Israelis (pun intended).
Did "exelent' article mention that HamaSS drag dead bodys on Gaza streets??
Don't fool yourself into believing israel is any better. did you here the news? Palestine won!!! (just rubbin' it in)
From the very beginning, neighboring countries (especially Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Iran) have used the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to advance their own geo-political agendas and internal political conditions. Until that is handled, there will be no peace.
In 1948 Arab rejected two state, Arab dictators promised exterminate Jews in a few weeks, since that they never give up and UN always supported Arab, no wander UN is branch of Arab Liege!
For any country to be a friend of Israel is like being friend in the past of apartheid South Africa. The Israeli government has no shame at all. They know that they can count with the support of the US and some European countries and that is all what they care. Shame on Israel Apartheid and its friendly countries. The only thing the world community can do to stop these ugly people is to boycott every Israeli product which is something I am already doing it.
This is what i see , palestinian will go to the international court , International law prohibits land grabs by war. israel will not be happy nor usa , congress will cut help to the palestinians , Arabic countries and european will give the palestinians more money and one day netanyahou will be behind bars in the international court and will be charged with war crime. give me a break netanyahou stop building settlement respect international law the way the law crate the state of israel and even the math was bad agianst the arabs , sit with the palestinians and negociate ,
Oh CNN... The most biased name in news. Or whatever your slogan is.
Israel has tried to find peace countless times. But at the same time, if Canada sent rockets into the States, would you be OK with Obama saying "ohhh we don't want to defend our borders because they're allowed to send rockets".
Cause and effect. You attack a sovereign nation, they defend themselves. You work WITH a sovereign nation, you can get something.
your comment only makes Palestine's victory just a little sweeter!
Nope, it won't change a thing because they're still basically like a 3rd-world country that supports terrorism. Good riddance. If anyone should be booted out of that area it's those chumps.
Israel lost = Palestine won. quit your cryin'
Netanyahu says 3000 new housing units? Now we know what Isreal is doing with the 3 billion a year we give them for foreign aid. Now is the time for this BS to end! Steve
If you can believe the Bible then the world was created in 6 days and its only several thousand years old. Of even greater significance is the Bible saying that God promised the Jews the "Holy Land". Somehow I think the editor in chief for the Bible was a Jew and put that little phrase in there to justify the Jews' aggrandizement. The Jews have been fighting for thousands of years. Check the history out back 700 years before Christ was even born. They're nothing more than trouble makers.
"The Palestinian Authority has won its campaign to be recognized as a non-member state of the United Nations. ..... will (it) change anything."
Yes. The Israelis will harden their stance against the Palestinians even more.
Why Why Why Why
Why can one have a state and the other cannot? Explain this to me.
BOOM!!!! 138-9 !!!!! Take that Israel you bunch of crying babies. long live Palestine!
Fareed continues to entertain us with wrong analysis week after week. Don't take it personal if the Palestinians don't really listen to you. They have worked and faught hard to get to where they are and they have a long painful road ahead. They really cannot be bothered with all the people who presume to give advice about some thing they really don't understand.
3000 new homes in violation of international law and now but not reported in America, Israel is withholding the Palistinian taxes. Which backs up everyones assurtion of aparteid.
The only way anything will change is when the Palinistians become a working class with an education. Their leaders, and them, are incapable of producing anything economically viable....not because of the Jews...but because even the "developed" nations of the middle east are incapable of having a serious economy. Not because of the jews again...but because they just don't get it. Arabs are pretty close to worthless. The best thing they do is fight...and they don't even do that well.
Nobody deserves anything in this world unless they are willing to work for it. Not kill...but work for it.
France,Britain,Sweden & others are showing some leadership in Isreali stragedy to further provoke violence by their pronounced settlement expansion.What is U.S.doing....oh its called "quiet diplomacy".The real thruth is U.S. is politically & financially controlled by american jewish people that are more Isreali then american.Yes, it's been heard before, but it really is the truth.Madoof, the collapse of the banks was/is no accident.Do you see Isreal on any "financial cliff"...off course not.Wake Up America.Perhaps .in the future. it will be the "minorities" that will save U.S., as they wern't influenced in the last election by Natanuhooos interference.It's time for the U.N. to draw a "RED LINE" of it's own on Isreal.Enough already.
One must know that U.N only have power to grant statehood and not Israel, Israel itself was only granted statehood in 1948 because of vote in the U.N, if tomorrow the U.N draws borders and assign a state to the Palestinians, Israel will have two choices, one, accept the U.N resolution if not the U.N will declare Israel as an invader (which violate international law) and Palestinians cause and fight will be further legitimized ....this is what Israel is afraid of which will further isolate Israel ...and Palestinians recognition at the UN as Observer state is a step toward this goal... now you understand the Israelis frustration ...
How can UN accepts terrorist organization to be a member? UN is useless and the terrorist lover. Nato is good enough for me. Withdraw out of UN now.
Ahhh .. I see the U.N is useless today but in 1948 when they established the Israeli state they were not useless..right!.. bunch of hypocrites
Very UN-Fair isn't it?
Why is Israel "retaliating" against moderates in West Bank, when it was the extremists in control of Gaza who fired rockets at Israel, West Bank didn't fire any rockets? Can anyone please EXPLAIN?
Glaringly missing in Fareed Zakaria's analysis is that 65 years ago both the UN and Israel gave the Palestinians a two-state solution, and it was the Palestinians – and the rest of the Arab world – who rejected it in favor of unrelenting wars. So long as this is not acknowledged, and the vast Arab and Muslim world refuse to recognize Israel as the national Jewish homeland, Israel is not morally obliged to go along with the current UN trend. Should the Palestinians truly want peace, they need look no further than to their Israeli neighbors; but if it's the enemy they really wish to see, all they need do is look in the nearest mirror.
So, the plan amounts "let's sabbotage an existing state, Israel." Is Zakaria a journalist or another terrorist "intellectual?" And is CNN completely out of mind even to publish anything of this sort? Anything that claims to be a new strategy of a terroristic movement. Shocking!
well..anything is translated to terrorism now ...even journalist that are trying to do their job but don't say what you like to hear... pathetic
I am just appalled by patronizing tone of the author as well as other media pundits. They assume that Palestinians are naïve and can’t tell their right from left, that they don’t understand where there interest lies and need Western media guidance. The simple fact: Palestinians don’t want own state, at least not now. Any deal they can get, 1967 borders or even 1948 borders, don’t make them better of then they are now. At least now they are getting material support from UN (US and EU money), from rich Arab countries and Iran. With Palestinian statehood most of payments stop (eventually) but economic problems remains. That’s why in his time Arafat broke negotiations and launched second intifada. So for now Palestinians prefer things stay where they are .
Israelis on their part don’t believe that any resolution reached with Palestinians worth paper it is written on. Controlling West Bank gives them some sense of security in case new war with Arabs starts and likelihood that over time Jerusalem became viewed as undividable part of Israel.
So neither party in the conflict wants to resolve it. Only US, EU and oil-rich Arab governments want the resolution, but they are not strong enough to push both parties to act against own interests.
Of course single state solution would serve interest of Palestinian people, but Fatah or Hamas would never allow that because for them it would mean loosing power and becoming minority political opposition in democratic state, which is not so glorious or lucrative.
Most of you have missed a few facts. In 1948, both the Jews and the Arabs were residing in what is now "Palestine" and Israel. They were given land that was to be carved out for two states. One of these groups accepted statehood, the Jews, and the other decided to go to war inorder to irradicate the Jews and declare the entire parcel from the Mediterranean to the Jordan River to be the homeland for the Arabs that were of Jordanian and Egyptian heritage to themselves. Let me remind you that neither Jordan nor Egypt wanted these Arabs. It just did not happen the way the Arabs wanted it to happen. Israel won the war. Since then Israel has had to go from war to war to protect the State of Israel, because the Arabs do not want Israel to exist, the only democratic state that just wants to live in peace, and has never called for the irradication of any of its neighboring countries. Israel exists because the Jews are more interested in fostering a country that accepts all her citizens to live in a progressive, peaceful invironment. This could never occur for Arabs under the leadership that they have now, because they have a mindset of just destroying Israel. Israel was able to accomplish what it has now and much more because they want their citizens to learn, work and achieve. Israel has state of the art medical facilities, that treat numerous Arabs from all over the Arab world. Israel educates Arabs in agriculture, medicine, engineering,etc. for them to take home to make their country more progressive. I do not know of one Arab university where Jews are permitted to go, do you? Most, if not all the Arab states are governed by dictators who use the excuse that Israel, the Jews, are the reason for their problems and they want to control their citizens by intimidation and murder. I heard this before in Europe and we all know how that turned out. There are Arabs, Christians, Druze, Hindus, men and women, etc. that work, vote and live in Israel and are able to fulfill their aspirations.Most of the Israeli Arabs chose to stay in Israel and have no desire to live in the West Bank or Gaza. What they have in Israel they could never get in any of the Arab countries. Israel is not perfect, but it certainly does not have the mindset to cause murder and chaos over the region. Look at the size of Israel compared to Egypt, Iran, Jordan, Syria, etc. You would think that these Arab countries would have more important things to do than try to eradicate Israel. Right now the only country in the middle east that is not in turmoil is Israel. Leave her alone and fix the turmoil in Syria (42.000 people dead and rising) Egypt, Irag, Iran, Libya,Afganistan,etc. By the way, what Arab country is not in turmoil and you want me to think that this is all of Israel's fault. Please get your head out of the sand and put the blame, where the blame is and that is on the ideology of these countries.
By the way Mr. Zaharia what makes you think that Israel is the cause of the middle east problems, is it because the Arabs cannot be reasoned with and you can itimidate Israel to give up their security so the Arab countries will be able to dance in the street and once again be able to fullfill your dream of destroying another 6 million Jews. I think your idea about a one-state solution would be another way to irridicate Israel or maybe it would be a way to enlighten these Arabs to see that there is a better way to live, but that would take centuries. On the whole, the Arabs are from societies whose primary goal is not education and learning. It would be interesting to see educated Arabs with a purpose to live and not die. Mr. Zaharia you were fortunate to be able to come to a democratic society where you could get an education and be allowed to have freedom of speech. My suggestion would be to relocate the so-called Palestinians to the Sinai, there if all parties agree, would have a lot more than anything they could get from where they live now. Land, oil ,water and geographically huge amounts of land. There would be no overcrowding of cities, if they would plan right. But can they?
Maybe you can explain this to me: Since when did a state have the right to 'give' another state its right to exist?
How would Americal feel if it had to be 'given statehood' by England?
If it will not change anything then might as well they go for full Palestinian statehood right? Israel does not want it because they would be viloating the UN Charter which they don't have to care about right now,
"But the vote doesn’t change the reality that the only way the Palestinians are going to get a state is if Israel decides that it is in its interests to make it happen"
This is absurd. Who gives Israel the right? Answer me.
Look, do not broad brush this thing, stay on Jersualem issue only. UNGA 66/18 says: "any actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration on the Holy City of Jerusalem are illegal and therefore null and void and have no validity whatsoever, and calls upon Israel to immediately cease all such illegal and unilateral measures;" PA/PLO must go to ICC with that. Get decision, then ask for NATO help if Israel refuses to comply. USA in general is getting exasterbated and frustrated with this willful and deceptive regime in Israel causing our troops, guys and gals, to die for their belligerence. Either follow the world's rules or get out of the game! It was the world's rules and dependance of the UN the got Israel their state. Now back off and let the Palestinians have theirs.
Again, Jerusalem is the issue. UNGA 66/18 is clear on that. Stick to that and make THAT the rallying point, not as in the past, the last thing on the agenda. It must be first and foremost. Settled that, and everything else will follow suit.
Jerusalem is the issue? A billion Muslims, the entire Middle East, and the Palestinians want to build their capitol in Jerusalem, homeland of the Jews? Not in your lifetime or mine.
UNSC Resolutions 242, 338, etc. also can add impetus to this situation. They are non vetoed Resolutions already recognized. Let's face it,... the real grey area WAS this lack of UN recognition of a PA State. It left everything in Limbo. That being over, the world legislative body and its judicial authority the ICC can now act on border and statehodd recognized in the UN. Israel, the bully state, thumbing its nose to the world, has got to answer to the world as to why and what it is doing. The Pals need their state via Resolution 181 that gave Israel 'its right to exist. If this is the predication for Israel's existence, and this is what they rest upon, then Israel must follow the rules and give the Pals their state as well. Otherwise, Israel is a rogue and lawless state.
"the only way the Palestinians are going to get a state is if Israel decides that it is in its interests to make it happen."
Fareed you are a professional writer but you are far from an expert on Middle East affairs. Palestinians still don't have their state because they haven't renounced terror and murder. They refuse to recognize Israel, period. Is that a basis for peaceful negotiation? My advice, get your own facts straight and stop being a mouthpiece for terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah.
If Palestine needs Israels permission do progress in their search for full statehood, then Israel has nothing to worry about isn't it?
I am against Hamas firing rockets, but peaceful actions of the Palestenians should be welcomed by all.
First of all, let the palestine, arab countries recognise israel.
Secondly, entire jerusalem (United), hebron etc., should be given to israel and jews, christians and muslims should be allowed to visit and pray to the almighty god freely.
Thirdly, they should recognise the pope as equalent to the headpriest.
They should respect, christians and muslims as their younger brothers.
Jerusalem was built first by Jews. facts. most, but not all Jews where dispelled to live in Europe and other countries 300 thousand years ago.. Some continued living in Palestine. Jews never claimed a part of land from any countries they lived in for milleniums. Why should they? They respect the history and dont ask for what is not trully theirs. May be they should of...after all Arabs that lived in Palestine under the British rule never asked for a country called Palesetine...that is until Jews that got tired of prosecution for milleniums had enough of atrocites and decided to take their destiny into their own hands and used the historical facts relating their origins to Jerusalem and Palestine to fight British colonisation of the region. Facts. Arabs, who tolerated Brits without much resistance in the region all of a sudden woke up and started the claim toward Palesetine...only because now Jews who had a country there to begin with wanted to establish it again. Ho, no...So, now a new nation is invented by Arabs called Palestinians (as there ever was such a countty) and instigate them to fight off Jews. Fighting Brits was not imprtant. But fighting Jews is now important. Palestinians are origing from Jourdan and Lebanon and Egipt. Sp, let me as you...should Jews claim a land in countries they lived in the last 300 years? The world aproves of Palestinians doing it...why not Jews to do the same to Europians countries? Ouch...i dont thin that any of the country (like France who voted for Palestinian reconition as a state)) would want it. Jews all over the world. Listen. The world will push us because we tried being 'ligical' and did nto fight back pogroms, exoduses, gas chambers. And being 'nice' did nto work for us. Being strong and claim what is historicaly justified is our only resort. Arabs live in a regioin that could be compared as an elephant (arabs) to a fly (Israel). Nothing is ever enough for them. Arabs (includign Palestinians) should start giving rights to the women and stop electing religious fanatics to govern them .
Our "DIE-HARD" ALL THING ISLAMIC supporter, "RABID" Israel-US-India (rather all things UN-ISLAMIC) hater, Plagiarist Mr. Zakaria is at again.
He first suggested to the Egyptians to throw out the Egypt-Israel peace treaty SHAMELESSLY calling it a treaty between two regimes and NOT two peoples.
He then said an attack on Iran will be seen as an extension of America's war on the Islamic world (even though the Saudis and other Arab regions in the region themselves have called for "CUTTING THE HEAD OF THE SNAKE”.
He then called AMERICA AS A GREATER THREAT TO THE WORLD THAN AL-QAEDA!!!!!!
He found a READY REASON for the MUMBAI ATTACKS in what he calls SYSTEMATIC ALIENATION of Indian Muslims (of whom he is one, as also his POLYGAMIST late ISLAMIC SCHOLAR father, and another India BAITER Mr. Rafiq Zakaria).
Likewise he blamed the barbaric Chechyan attack at the Moscow airport killing scores on the Russian people.
And now.....he is trying to sow the seeds for a ONE STATE SOLUTION (or a Palestinian state on their terms which will SURELY ELIMINATE the Jewish State).
No wonder more & more Americans & Indians (his native country, and so's mine) are seeing this man as a GREATER THREAT TO AMERICA, ISRAEL & INDIA than those die-hard radicals themselves.
GOD SAVE AMERICA IF Mr.ZAKARIA who's now an external advisor to President Obama indeed becomes the next Us. Sec. of State or nudges closer to the reiigns of power!
Zakaria's description of how the Palestinians could gain their own state, by pushing Netanyahu or any Israeli government to grant voting rights, won't work, for this reason. In most scenarios, might wins. As long as Hamas and others determined to destroy Israel wield power, they will not allow a solution that allows Israel to exist. If Israel's neighbors would change their swords into plowshares, there would likey be a Palestinian state.
what the palestinians say is allow all settlements ans settlers become part of palestine as long as the settlers become palestinians citizens and abide by laws of palestine and allow palestinians to buy homes in the settlements. settlers will run away leaving free homes for palestinians