Name and shame China over North Korea launch
December 13th, 2012
04:04 AM ET

Name and shame China over North Korea launch

By Stephen Yates, Special to CNN

Editor’s note: Stephen J. Yates is former Deputy Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs (2001-2005) and currently CEO of DC International Advisory. The views expressed are his own.

North Korea’s seemingly successful long-range missile test presents a significant challenge to the U.S. and its allies.

This is North Korea’s most successful provocation since demonstrating the ability to detonate a nuclear device in 2006. North Korea has now demonstrated a significant leap in its long-range missile capability, and it would be a mistake to assume further leaps forward are beyond its reach in the not too distant future. New and very young leader Kim Jong Un has succeeded where his father did not – a major propaganda victory for him.

While not the reason the Obama administration had in mind when announcing its supposed pivot to Asia, a nuclear capable rogue showing off a newly proven delivery capability has a way of seizing international attention not otherwise given to Northeast Asia in recent years.

The initial White House reaction was appropriate. North Korea’s actions are irresponsible, provocative, and a threat to regional security. But that is not all they are. Given the established record of proliferation ties between North Korea and bad actors in the broader Middle East, North Korea’s new capability is a threat to global security and a shocking rebuke to the efficacy of the several multilateral and bilateral measures that were supposed to prevent just this kind of breakout.

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The typical cycle of past North Korean provocations eventually resulted in sanctions being lifted and other inducements given in exchange for North Korean return to previous U.N. or bilateral commitments. Unlike the Clinton and Bush administrations, the Obama administration to date had not indulged North Korea in that cynical process, but it also has offered no new strategy of its own. Having condemned North Korea's actions as provocative and threatening, the White House must now define what (if any) consequences North Korea will face.

Beyond pro-forma condemnation at the United Nations and elsewhere, the U.S. should press for a multilateral cessation of trade and aid with North Korea and should openly discuss expansion of regional missile defense capabilities (like the Iron Dome system deployed in Gaza conflict). And given the significant propaganda boost this test provided within North Korea, it is all the more important that the U.S. and its allies more aggressively and effectively broadcast the truth into North Korea.

China should be named and shamed for its role in enabling North Korea to remain and grow as a threat. North Korea is one of the most sanctioned countries on the planet, but Beijing (with only brief exceptions) has effectively watered down and otherwise dulled the impact of international sanctions on North Korean “stability.”

Beijing no doubt would be horrified by the prospect of an international review of the many ways North Korea’s illicit activities involve Chinese institutions, territory, and personnel, but such a comprehensive audit would be entirely appropriate. And China should no longer be enabled to hide behind the entirely false threat of migration (North Korea’s entire population would represent a small share of the population of any given Chinese province, much less the Chinese nation, and under no scenario would every North Korean make his or her way across the border.)

Most important of all, under no circumstances should the administration allow this kind of provocation to resume the failed bilateral and multilateral negotiation patterns of previous administrations.

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  1. Saul Goode

    Here here Mr. Yates. This is by far the most intelligent, honest, & informed article to ever be published by this purported "news" outlet.
    It also bolsters the undeniable truth that unstable people, & unstable states/regimes, simply cannot be reasoned with.
    Unfortunately however, we must "tread carefully" when dealing with our chinese overlords, as we are in no position (anymore) to make any demands of the hand that feeds us -even though most of that "food" is rotton.
    Mmmmm, currency manipulation sandwiches & sweatshop soup. Seconds anyone?

    December 13, 2012 at 6:01 am | Reply
    • Brian

      No position to make demands? We owe them a bit over a trillion dollars. That hardly makes them our overlords. I think it's high time we told them where to go.

      December 13, 2012 at 6:54 am | Reply
      • Arias

        Yeah right. Tell them where to go and destroy all those American businesses that manufacture their products in China? Sure, let's just destroy our economy and enter a 2nd Great Depression by telling China where to go.

        December 13, 2012 at 9:44 am |
      • j

        Arias, those jobs your worried about being destroyed in china.....many of them would pop up elsewhere...maybe even HERE!!

        December 13, 2012 at 10:24 am |
      • quite the dreamer

        RE: "Arias, those jobs your worried about being destroyed in china.....many of them would pop up elsewhere...maybe even HERE!!"
        Quite the dreamer, aren't you. Arias is correct. The only reason we can afford to buy things is because they are cheaply made in China. Make the same stuff with American wages tacked onto the prices and our standard of living would plummet. Higher or lower, costs get passed on to the consumer.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:53 am |
      • Ari for Peace

        Saul, I agree with it being honest on points with the iniquities of North Korea. Though we must be honest since it is the Law (Lev 19:11). Being honest though we must reflect on how honest we are with ourselves and our own actions. Being supportive of Israel when it threatens to kill the leaders of a nation when that nation is working within the Law to go to the UN for statehood, is a violation of the principles of our nation and, if you are religious, it is a violation of the Laws of our God (Deut 20:10-12). If North Korea behaved the same way, we would say that China is supporting a Terrorist State.
        So I propose that we need a higher Law for all Nations (For hebrews, the seed of Noah). The United Nations should have authority in the scope of the world. We need not alter the truth to favor our own self-interests or favor the interests of the mighty (19:15).

        A world divided cannot stand.

        December 13, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
      • j. von hettlingen

        China has just seen the once-in-a-decade transition of power. The leadership is still pre-occupied with cementing power and other internal affairs. It's quite unlikely that China would join the UN to take a tougher stand on North Korea. It expressed regret at the launch. Although it has leverage on North Korea, but it had little influence to stop it from launching the rocket.

        December 13, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Howard

      The entire excuse that millions of North Koreans would migrate into China is an illogical canard. Why on Earth would North Koreans flood into China, where they're obviously less than welcome, instead of moving south to join their friends and relatives where they would be very welcome?

      December 13, 2012 at 8:43 am | Reply
      • julnor

        It's either that or try to cross the DMZ. Which would you choose?

        December 13, 2012 at 10:53 am |
      • Rationalist

        Because China and North Korea are now far closer in terms of ideology and thought patterns. Many defectors who make it to the south end up enemployed or in demeaning jobs. They are seen as backwards by their neighbours and often not trusted. Also as the guy above said DMZ... pretty hard to cross. Geographical limitations also have a strong effect-eople living in Kaesong or Haeju might go to the South, but if you live in Jagang, Ryangang or North Hamgyong province for example, it's far easier to go to China, after all most people don't have cars, GPS or even a decent map to find there way around.

        The Yangbian region in China is also estimated to be as much as 40% Korean ethnic population- same language and culture- but without the rampant capitalism, K-Pop and fashion that is just too confusing for most North Koreans.

        December 14, 2012 at 12:46 am |
    • Arias

      Disagree with your assessment that regimes are irrational and can't be reasoned with. They're actually quite rational in doing what needs to be done to stay in power. Clinton reasoned with N Korea and prevented them from going nuclear by bribing them. Sure, it's not the ideal solution but a helluva lot better than the instability and nuclear armed state that it's become from Bush practicing the opposite approach out of spite for all things Clinton.

      You also fail to note that the manufacturers of that "rotten", sweatshop produced food are in many cases American companies offshoring their manufacturing to china to take advantage of the slave labor.

      December 13, 2012 at 9:40 am | Reply
      • wisconsin101

        What planet are you on. While giving them food and fuel under both Clinton and bush, NK kept inventing how to make and made the bombs fuel, the bomb and delivery systems. So giving food and fuel did nothing to prevent anything

        December 13, 2012 at 10:21 am |
      • Arias

        I live in the real world. North Korea went nuclear under Bush, not Clinton.

        December 30, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
      • Rationalist

        Arias- Exactly. Say what you will about the Kim regime, they are certainly not irrational. They have maintaned power for an incredibly long time for an autocratic military theocracy. They do exactly what they need to do to achieve their own ends- survival of the family rule.

        December 14, 2012 at 12:52 am |
      • Arias

        @wisconsin101: You're resorting to revisionism. NK did not go nuclear until Bush in retaliation for his policy of starving-the-beast and 6 party talks instead of direct engagement. You should look into it.

        December 14, 2012 at 1:36 am |
    • lexington08

      Should name and shame Hilary Clinton, whose propaganda team of Falun Gong members were boasting about her spending on security and "female body guards", when embassador was murdered in Syria.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:07 am | Reply
      • clarke

        oh stop, please!

        December 13, 2012 at 10:15 am |
      • j

        Hey lex...try staying on topic.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:28 am |
      • palintwit

        You're not supposed to bring up that topic. Lalalala....we can't hear you.

        December 13, 2012 at 11:01 am |
  2. cmmrc

    Me second! Me second!

    Audit China! Audit China!

    Boycutt China! Boycutt China!

    U.S. Troops to China!!! U.S. Troops to China!!!

    Seconds anyone? Seconds anyone?

    December 13, 2012 at 6:20 am | Reply
    • Jason

      At least correctly spell "boycott" before proposing to launch WW3.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:25 am | Reply
      • spell check

        Do you mean WWIII? heh heh

        December 13, 2012 at 10:56 am |
  3. Arias

    Mr Yates,

    I'm surprised you don't bother to mention the real reason China props up the North Korean regime. Everyone should know by now the ostensible reason given of a refugee crises on its border is fiction. As if China wouldn't be able to amass enough red army troops at its border to prevent the deluge is comical enough. The real reason well known in foreign policy circles is of course geopolitics. China fears that a US friendly unified Korea and their huge base of US troops right across the border would affect the equilibrium of US power too strongly against their interests. The recent "pivot" towards Asia designed to "contain" China, with the navy patrolling the South China Seas as if it were the Gulf of Mexico serves only to reinforce these fears and strengthens the hands of reactionary voices within the Chinese Communist party and their cries of US imperialism and encroachment. And with North Korea out of the way, their thinking goes, the US will be able to concentrate all their focus on containing China. If the US wants to get serious about undermining and overthrowing the North Korean regime a better job needs to be done in allaying these fears with China and strengthening the progressive voices within the CCP that have been arguing that North Korea doesn't matter and that the regime should be allowed to fold. Perhaps an agreement to withdrawal US troops from South Korea should the N Korean regime fall would go a long ways.

    December 13, 2012 at 7:00 am | Reply
    • BW

      Soundest and most intelligent comment on the board. Entirely clear that US is strengthening presence in Pacific to contain China, the PLAN, and Chinese interests in the East/South China Seas. All Western analysis of China fails if not taking into account fact that Chinese views of the West are always via the lense of the history that is the Century of Humiliation. Simply stated, it has happened in the past, therefore there is no logical basis for China to trust that it won't happen again, but that it is in fact a kinder, gentler, more civilized Western Civilzation than the one that cut China up into so many pieces of dragon meat pie, forcing opium, concessions, and all sorts of "might makes right" shame upon a long and proud civilization which ,at that time, happened to be lagging behind the times. Not today, not anymore. It is far too convenient to say, now that the other guy has the leverage, that it is now a kinder and gentler world, esp. when your military budget is larger than the next 10 countries combined and your fleets, aircraft, and military bases exist throughout the world.N. Korea is a buffer. Tibet is a buffer. China feels as we felt back during the Cuban missle crisis. It is 100% understandable.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:22 am | Reply
    • Stacy

      China wouldn't want US military at its border, but would that be enough of a reason to keep supporting North Korea? Even if US military were stationed at the China-Korea border, soldiers from the army wouldn't be the ones doing the bulk of fighting if a war were to break out. Wouldn't a war be fought with missiles instead of soldiers? There are some reports that China is increasingly favoring a Korean reunification and getting more tired of supporting North Korea. Couldn't put up the links, but check the Guardian on Nov. 29th, 2010 under World News -> China. Maybe China just doesn't have a solid alternative plan for dealing with North Korea yet, but I am optimistic that China wouldn't continually support such a useless ally as North Korea.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:19 am | Reply
      • Arias

        Yes, in the first phase of any war it's true that would likely involve the US air force and missile technology. But having huge numbers of US ground troops right across the border is still a huge tactical advantage for any subsequent ground invasion to follow in order to capture China's capital Beijing which is really not far from the border. It's also true that reformers within the CCP have been pushing a message for a while now that North Korea doesn't matter and is more trouble than it's worth. But China is a cautious nation and it might take another generation of continued growth before they feel emboldened enough to take this step. My problem with US policy is that it's encouraging China to do the exact opposite of what we hope it would do in abandoning North Korea. If China continues to perceive the US threat to be greater than that of North Korea, there's no telling how many generations they'll continue to prop up the North Korean regime.

        December 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  4. Soundbite

    So, Stephen Yates is calling for a cessation of trade and international aid to North Korea. All that would do is condemn the millions more North Koreans to deprivation and starvation - the usual U.S. "solution" which has never gotten us anywhere.

    I've talked to a number of South Korean young adults while in South Korea, and they are unanimously in support of humanitarian aid to North Koreans in terms of food and medicine. North Koreans are their relatives who have bad leaders.

    We have to rise above this knee-jerk reaction. The word isn't perfect, but we don't have to participate in making it even worse.

    December 13, 2012 at 7:04 am | Reply
  5. wallybobble

    and the major trading partner of communist china is walmart. boatloads of cheap plastic stuff comes from china and boatloads of cash go back. yet we cannot trade with cuba. it doesn't make sense. yet china supports north korea, iran and other rogue nations. walmart is a rogue state.

    December 13, 2012 at 7:15 am | Reply
    • Chinese Rule

      First, as a Chinese person, I know this sounds ironic but can you type in proper English.

      Second, the embargo with Cuba is a US policy. You people chose not to trade with Cuba. Its your own damn fault.

      Third, we Chinese don't like the Koreans, North or South. They are a bunch of back-stabbers. They always have been. The North Koreans are not our friends. We use them, they use us. When they really cross that line, we can take them out and make a nice little province out of them. There are only 20 million North Koreans, with about 3 million of them already living in China never wanting to go back. We can accept another 20 million minority kimchee to work on our northern expansion. No problem at all.

      December 13, 2012 at 7:28 am | Reply
      • rtrauben

        interesting.

        December 13, 2012 at 7:48 am |
      • cnscks

        wow.. is this the product of 4000 years of civilization? wow

        December 13, 2012 at 8:44 am |
      • Brian

        I was reading the article and something came to mind that is partially echoed by this poster... The US should encourage China to invade North Korea. This would take care of everyone’s fears on a large number of important regional and global issues while feeding a starving nation. The exit strategy, if there is one, is a bit more complicated. However, I would certain give China my tacit approval for such an action.

        December 13, 2012 at 8:52 am |
      • not so fast

        China's future will troubles will all come from within. China's main focus will have to be its peasant problem; as China grows and the peasants get left farther and farther behind they will rebel. I hope I live to see how it unfolds. Hope it doesn't crumble like a fortune cookie.

        December 13, 2012 at 11:01 am |
      • LI LIN

        u have to understand the politics of all this.

        1st of all: NK is aat the end of the day a proxy to our war with the West! We want them to be provocative as then the West will need Us to calm things down, and we can get concession out of them. Nk don't use Us, We use them!

        2nd, from birth our ppl have been taught the korean war, how we help our korean brothers defeat the americas, how would u feel if we just let them fall?

        3rd: by tieing US's attention on them, we can do what we want under the rader, do u thing we can just send techno and support to Iran like that?! the NK is doing for us!!

        so we need the north and that is why we will support the north. there is nothing anyone can do to make us not....... until the day we are strong enough to defeat the West in an open war.

        December 19, 2012 at 4:20 am |
    • Kelly

      I felt the need to respond to your comment of Iran being "rogue." The Iranians are not as stupid or as crazy all media is portraying them. They are probably the most educated people in that region and are very well informed. I know a lot of Iranians living in the USA who go back and visit periodically. The fascist theocracy in place is blowback from the US overthrowing their popular, secular Prime Minister in 1953. Most Iranians are not even that religious, they love the historic Persian culture. They are far from rogue. Tehran, contrary to popular belief, is actually a nice city. It's unfortunate they have to be ruled by thoughtless such people, but do not call them rogue.

      December 13, 2012 at 9:00 am | Reply
      • Arias

        Couldn't agree more. The whole meme of regimes being "irrational" is just ridiculous and fed from propaganda designed to dehumanize them to justify their overthrow. The simple fact is that if they were irrational, they wouldn't be in power.

        December 14, 2012 at 1:42 am |
    • palintwit

      No one is forcing you to shop at Walmart. Give it up already.

      December 13, 2012 at 11:02 am | Reply
  6. Chinese Rule

    Fine! Name and Shame China.

    But before doing this. Please do a complete review on US policy in Israel and its enabling on massacring Palestinians.

    Not to mentioned a complete review on US support of the Mujahadeen in the 80s in Afghanistan and support its radical Islamic movement and narco-terrorism.

    No to mentioned its false pretense to invade Iraq where US corporations reap indescribable profits on its reconstruction and oil distribution rights.

    I can really go on forever.

    Some ignorant fool say send troops to China... to get killed? imprisoned? Before you can reach China within 1000 miles, the ship/plane/raft that carries you people would've been sunk.

    This modern China has enough missiles and precision guided weapon systems to destroy anything comes in our way.
    SO sure why not send troops our way. We would love to show the world how pathetic your troops are when you face a real and capable power. Its time you stop picking on the irrelevant guys. I would love to see you pick a fight with us. We've been itching for a showcase of our PLA.

    Audit China? sure, before that, return all your debts to us. While at the same time, we will audit ALL of your S&P 500 corporations in China, that's got to be worth over a trillion with 20 years of non-stop investment ranging in the hundreds of billions each year.

    Let's see who cries at the end when your redneck country mama can't afford to buy even roadkills for Christmas because we will jack up your consumer products rate to brand new heights. You will beg for the Carter years after we are done with you.

    So go ahead. We Chinese can bear and grin. We have all been through the tough and unimaginable years. The question is can you people live without your daily comforts for the next couple of decades of your lives.

    December 13, 2012 at 7:19 am | Reply
    • rtrauben

      disturbing.

      December 13, 2012 at 7:49 am | Reply
      • Chinese Rule

        Which part that I posted isn't either true or will be the most likely fact of consequence?

        December 13, 2012 at 8:04 am |
    • steelers1981

      Yes, the US fears China, a country that a couple weeks ago landed their first aircraft on an aircraft carrier. US first did that in 1918. What has China invented in the past 400 years or so? Nothing. China is good at making cheap crap for Americans to buy. That is the top of their technological prowess. Unless China can kill all Americans by sending us tainted cheap products, you are doomed to being the place we buy our cheap products from forever.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:21 am | Reply
      • JMorcan

        You couldn't be more wrong. The Yuan will be world currency within fifteen years, and the West will cower under a communist boot. This is the ultimate price to be paid for spending billions on Chinese goods.

        December 13, 2012 at 8:48 am |
      • amazedamerican

        Jmorcan

        That is IF they can stop manipulating their currency..... lets see China take the training wheels off ....If China started opperating under the same rules as everyone else in the WTO – i think youd be shocked at what happens to the US trade deficit with China....

        December 13, 2012 at 9:17 am |
      • Chinese Rule

        Then you must be stupid if you knew China is selling you tainted cheap crap and you still buy it. What's wrong with you people? If I tell you to jump off a bridge, will you jump?

        December 13, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • askdavey

      the days of boots on the ground are over,if china wants a war with the usa it will be trident;s from the subs that sit out in the water that they know nothing about, they are almost done with thier 1st aircraft carrier,and we the greatest country of the free world will.....be right behind it with a sub, for when they think they are going to get that shot off,they might get one off but then man the life boats......if there is any thing left.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:26 am | Reply
    • cnscks

      can i have some of that stuff you're puffing?

      December 13, 2012 at 8:41 am | Reply
    • amazedamerican

      No.... China can bluff ....it can talk a good talk.....but in the end, thats it. The chinese point to their new 'stealth' fighter....the front sure LOOKS like an F-22...but it has 'features' that you dont want on a stealth aircraft. and the heart and sole of a 5th generation aircraft, the engines, well lets just say you guys have ways to go in that department-

      your anti carrier ballistic missle system is a joke- literally..... your subs are loud (our old LA boats tracked your sub as it surfaced to'suprise' the Kitty Hawk bg) and you are a couple generations behind missiles in general..... in short, anything you can do we can do better- and counter with ease.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:45 am | Reply
      • Chinese Rule

        Then, why don't you try and see what happens. Look at the pathetic nations that you've fought before. Add them all up and its not the equivalent on one of our regional military corp. Who is to say that our weapons who kill or hurt you people? Just get involve with our business and you will see who laughs.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:31 am |
      • amazedamerican

        Why dont we try? well probably for the same reason we didnt blow that relic of a sub out of the water when it decided to join one of our carrier battlegroups.... we are not at war with China......yet.

        December 13, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • JMorcan

      The U.S. should change its currency and tell the CCP to stick it.

      December 13, 2012 at 8:49 am | Reply
      • Arias

        Change its currency? Why? The Yuan a world currency in 15 years you say? ROTFLMAO. China has to first learn not peg its currency to the ALMIGHTY DOLLAR before it could ever hope to have its own currency, much less a world currency. They can't and won't because their entire economy depends on selling cheap exports to Americans so they keep their currency artificially low by pegging it to the dollar. The US Dollar is still the reserve currency of the world. No reason to be changing the currency that every government, friend and foe, hoards in their treasuries. And perhaps most importantly, Oil is priced and traded exclusively in dollars. 'nuff said.

        December 13, 2012 at 9:16 am |
      • Jason

        Congratulations, you have stated the stupidest thing on the internet so far for this week.

        December 13, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • Hawkeye321

      Shut up and make me a T-shirt.

      December 13, 2012 at 9:58 am | Reply
      • Chinese Rule

        You can't afford to buy one.

        December 13, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
  7. stephen

    quite challenging.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:13 am | Reply
  8. Lejaune

    North Korea is a pit bull to China as is Israel to the US. You need it to do dirty things for you but sometimes it goes out of control. That's the price you pay. Will the price be too high for China? Not even China knows at this point. It would depend on how this juvenile behaves in the coming months with the new leadership of China.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:24 am | Reply
  9. Saul Goode

    @brian, I suppose I should have put "overlords" in quotations, as it was not literal. The point is, over the past decade or so, that is how we treat them -we never even dare challenge anything china does & they consistently exploit that weakness. Also, if things do not drastically change domestically, it'll soon be $2T, then $5T, then $10T... @some point they will want their money, w/interest of course.
    Moreover, I suggest you go to your banker, landlord, or crack dealer & tell them "where to go". I doubt you will emerge in a more favorable arrangement. Again I would advise you "tread carefully", as that was meant quite literally.
    Don't get me wrong, we need to reclaim our rightful place & make our positions clear. However, saying "do this, don't do that" is not going to go very far when it's immediately followed by "btw, do you have any spare change".
    @wally -agreed. This is why I, & many others, refuse to shop there. Also their customer service is reprehensible.
    Finally, if anyone needs clarification as to what I mean by "unstable", see the previous post. Clearly a troll, a commie troll at that, but those "types" lead far to many regimes. There is no reasoning w/people like that (kim jong, chavez, imanutjob, etc.).

    December 13, 2012 at 8:28 am | Reply
  10. JMorcan

    The rogue in all this is China, and it's a travesty that the West continues to support the thugs in the CCP with trade and investment. Every American should be ashamed.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:45 am | Reply
    • dinkusmcgee

      as long as 50 years ago, I began to hear that China would be the country to take over the US...it seems that will come to pass. I had good teachers during my opinion forming years. The thing is that the Chinese as well as the Latinos who we have been blessed to have coming into the US...WILL WORK HARD. Hard work is the detriment to Americans....Americans refuse to do HARD WORK and that will be our demise!

      December 13, 2012 at 9:01 am | Reply
    • Arias

      You're being ridiculous. The US supports trade and investment with China because it absolutely has to in order to keep its economy solvent. The US and China are joined at the hip. Both economies are so completely dependent upon the other what you're suggesting, that commerce be stopped because of differences in ideology, isn't even feasible.

      December 13, 2012 at 9:29 am | Reply
    • Jason

      Lets see, which nation has the largest and strongest military, has the authority to bomb anybody at any time, tends to bomb the nations that it doesn't like instead of the places that's actually committing genocide or are threatening to global peace, and on top of that, has a stranglehold on both the global economy and the value of currencies around the globe? France? No you idiot, its the US. The current most irresponsible nation and also the most dangerous nation is the US and if you want to brand a global power as "rogue" then brand the US as one.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:32 am | Reply
    • Chinese Rule

      You lying, thief of an America is the worst type of rogues. When it suits you, you support them, when it doesn't, you kill them. Just how many dictatorship have you supported? Let's count, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and the entire Arab world, half of Africa, Colombia, Granada, Morroco, Algeria, Brunei...etc.

      All of these nations either had or have been cruel to their own people, enslave their women, organized terrorism, acts against humanity, just about any bad element you can think out and yet you supported all of them, you still support many now because it suits your need.

      Who are you to judge? You are the worst kind of criminals. You hide behind your slogans of freedom and profit off the weak. While at the same time criticize others for doing even less than the crimes you commit.

      I can't wait for your own country to implode. You are one bad corporate or banking scam from total collapse. And I will be the first to laugh at your face.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:47 am | Reply
      • amazedamerican

        Chinese Rule, a helpful tip while at your job at the Ministry of Propaganda...err Public Relations (sorry)

        Next break period, when you go for that next cup of coffee.... reach for the Decaf brother!:))

        December 13, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
      • Arias

        As much as I hate to admit it, you do have a fair point.

        December 14, 2012 at 1:47 am |
  11. dinkusmcgee

    As long as we continue to stand and watch such country with our fingers up our anuses and sucking our fingers, this shytte will continue!

    December 13, 2012 at 8:47 am | Reply
    • dinkusmcgee

      until someone lobs the really big football into our backyards!!!

      December 13, 2012 at 8:48 am | Reply
  12. Saul Goode

    @dave -my bad, I didn't mean you. The troll to which I was referring is the purported "china man".
    I laughed aloud @ both his posts. "what is false...?" lol. How about your alleged belief that chinas half-assed military could even consider a war w/the US lmao. As stated by another, china spends most of it's money on making cheap contaminated toys & stealing our intellectual property. We spend their money (& alot of our own) on perfecting the finest military force the world has ever seen.
    So perhaps I was wrong about "mr.chinaman" , as trolls usually flee when challenged. But I can state with conviction, you sir are a sadly misinformed fool.

    December 13, 2012 at 8:49 am | Reply
    • Chinese Rule

      ITs Chinese, not China man. What's a name of Saul, either you're a ginny or a wetback. Some pathetic immigrant who leave your own country and people behind. Who do you think you are? All of you immigrants are just traitors of your own country. You are nobody. You betrayed your own race, and there is no pride in you.

      As long as we have nukes, and we're not afraid to use it, your military is meaningless to us. We have the most advanced missile capability in the world so that renders your attack as useless. What's the point of your navy and airforce when they get sinked before deploying? What makes you think we won't be the first aggressor and take your military out first? You are not the only with preliminary strike capability.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:18 am | Reply
      • amazedamerican

        And and .. my Dad can lift 100ton and and knock yer Dad out!

        December 13, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
      • Arias

        I'm sympathetic to some of the points you've made thus far regarding US hypocrisy and such, and you do seem somewhat knowledgeable, but man what's up with the crass racism? All you're doing is making yourself look as ugly as the "Ugly Americans" that you're calling out. I'm aware of how rife racism is among some Chinese, but it's also the mark of ignorance and intolerance. You're really not repping the Chinese as having a more enlightened society, not even remotely.

        I also can't tell if you really believe that stuff about China having a superior military to the US or if it's just nationalistic chest beating on your part, because it's hard to believe anyone would think that. China really only grew to become an economic giant over the last decade and only recently started investing significantly more resources into military R&D. One day it might very well catch up to the US but it's still got a considerable ways to go.

        December 14, 2012 at 2:03 am |
  13. dinkusmcgee

    The US is a sitting and waiting DUCK!

    December 13, 2012 at 8:53 am | Reply
  14. dinkusmcgee

    I really hate to be here when the mushrooms begin sprouting!

    December 13, 2012 at 8:54 am | Reply
  15. dinkusmcgee

    with the silly big mouthed Obama running the show, we all gonna die!!!

    December 13, 2012 at 8:55 am | Reply
  16. Chinese

    I'm a Chinese, educated in both China & "west", and a licensed professional. Don't think they want to, but CNN can "google" my email address and confirm that.

    Go ahead and ask around, I bet most REAL citizens of either side aren't war-lovers.

    Last time I checked, there is no "peaces", so the sooner we ALL realize that the better! Then maybe just maybe we can ALL work together towards our future and our children's future, instead of against it. No? Fine, let's all ignore the aging bridges and roads (I'm not going to mention the boring stuff like pension or retirement, who needs them?!), and concentrate on the expansive (and soon useless then replaced by newer but even more expansive ones) weapon systems – at least it creates jobs (I find it sad but...)

    And also last time I checked the history book, China built a huge wall (can't remember its name though, can anyone help me out here, lol), instead of the greatest colonization by the "west" in the last 200-300 years. So no, people like "Chinese Rule" don't represent China a bit.

    And maybe just maybe if we're more tolerant and less self-centered, we can live peacefully and hopefully more happily?

    Love to chat but gtg – next I have to figure out what the F a "holiday tree" is...man!

    December 13, 2012 at 9:02 am | Reply
    • dinkusmcgee

      I like your post....BUT, Americans don't like work...it makes them git off couches too much or interrupts their golf game!

      December 13, 2012 at 9:05 am | Reply
    • dinkusmcgee

      I like your post....BUT, Americans don't like work...it makes them git off couches too much or interrupts their golfing!

      December 13, 2012 at 9:05 am | Reply
    • Chinese Rule

      You are a disgrace of a human being. You are the prototypical Ah-Q Chinese who are cowards. That's why people look down on you. You are second class in a foreign country and will always be judge as a foreigner instead of one of their own. That's who you are. You will live in Chinese communities and stay with your own kind because deep down you know you are not accepted as their own. ANd you think its alright, its not them its us.

      You are the reason for how China is perceived around the world. We need to stand up and defend what's ours. Its the principle of things. Its the integrity of our nation. We take no more, no less. We takes what's ours, what's belonged to us.

      You get in our way or do not support us, then you are the enemy. Its us against the world. It always has been. We are the only nation that had been isolated by basically the entire world for over decades. We still survived based on our own will and effort. Now that we're strong and will continue to get strong. Nothing will stop us from getting back what's ours. Nothing. Lives, economy, wolrdwide perception means crap if we can't respect our own dignity.

      You sir is a sellout. Stop calling yourself Chinese.

      December 13, 2012 at 10:38 am | Reply
      • amazedamerican

        Hilarious!,,,,keep em coming brother:)

        December 13, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
      • Davidake

        Good on you Chinese Rule. China needs more people like you who are well informed and brave. This world needs to be dominated by the peace love eastern ideology and philosophy.

        December 14, 2012 at 1:19 am |
  17. Matthew

    We can't tell China to do anything. They are too powerful. That is why North Korea can thrive and why China can continue to occupy Tibet. Our best bet is to ignore China and stop trading with her.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:17 am | Reply
  18. palintwit

    We should hire North Korea to nuke each and every trailer park south of the Mason-Dixon Line. Voila! No more teabaggers!

    December 13, 2012 at 9:22 am | Reply
    • palintwit

      And take out California and the left coast while there at it. It would solve most of our problems.

      December 13, 2012 at 11:04 am | Reply
      • palintwit

        Another fake palintwit. But they do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thanks for the compliment.

        December 13, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  19. Ludwig

    N. Korea is China's puppet. The sooner we openly admit that the better.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:31 am | Reply
  20. russ

    We need to declare the now 60 year old Korean War over and pull out of Korea altogether. Cheap TV's just aint worth it.

    December 13, 2012 at 9:46 am | Reply
    • jackinbox

      Can't agree more. They are both nuts.

      December 13, 2012 at 11:08 am | Reply
  21. Sal

    China is or will eventually be our next big adversary. China is NOT your friend and never will be, and their intention is first to overtake us militarily and then pose a threat. 

    December 13, 2012 at 9:56 am | Reply
    • Arias

      They can't be an adversary. We depend on them too much and they depend on us too much. It's not going to happen.

      December 14, 2012 at 2:44 am | Reply
  22. TAJW

    What has not been made clear is that 'communication' satellites are rarely put in a polar orbit. They are normally in a geosynchronos orbit (22,300 miles in space at the equator). Polar orbits are typically reserved for what are referred to as 'spy' satellites. And while a launch system designed to put a satellite in orbit could be used to deploy a nuclear weapon, that's probably not what North Korea was testing with this launch.

    It's still something we need to be very concerned about, both from the perspective of what was actually deployed and what could be. North Korea is very much a rogue nation, and nothing they do in this arena is benign.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:26 am | Reply
  23. j

    If we had tighter control over Chinese imports/trade, it would certainly hurt them a lot more than us...and would make it harder for them to support NK. The Soviets went down when they couldn't afford the arms race....the chinese could go down if we deprived them of their income. Money talks...BS walks.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:30 am | Reply
    • Ari for Peace

      J we do, we put tarrifs on China with the steel industry and with the solar power industry. These are just 2 examples where there are others. Now, when we protect our steel workers and keep their salaries up, we disservice them and ourselves... Capitalism is winners win and losers lose... Doing this protects our losers from losing. When we have losers in our country, we need to inspire them to be more competive rather than protecting them. This is TRUE CAPITALISM! Now that we have protected so many manufacturing jobs, we found that few other nations in the world want to buy our expensive manufactured products, so our country loses in the Global market and this is apparent by trade defecit in which we have very few exports... Who wants to buy too expensive products from protected losers?

      December 13, 2012 at 10:45 am | Reply
  24. Steve S

    China is operating under the fallacy, that a potential nuclear conflict with North Korea and the western powers, will NOT drag China into it?

    Good luck with THAT premise!

    December 13, 2012 at 10:30 am | Reply
    • jackinbox

      Why? I don't think the Chinese saw it as their business. We go beg them, shame them, push them. They will do something for us for a FEE. Why is our business to keep peace in that far corner of Asia? For a big screen TV?

      December 13, 2012 at 11:06 am | Reply
  25. Free Trade

    We should make China stand on the corner holding a sign...

    "I put out on prom night and got dumped the next day. I'm so lonely."

    'Cause that's how America rolls. Beeyatch.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:50 am | Reply
  26. are122

    the Obama administration to date had not indulged North Korea in that cynical process <~~~ even if I don't like most of his policies, good for Obama on this one!

    December 13, 2012 at 10:51 am | Reply
  27. Kathy Smith

    Article reported by The Blaze on Sept. 1, 2012? Where were then, CNN? Oh right, sucking up to Obama...reporting or not reporting on his foreign policy!!
    The president of the Presidium of North Korea's Supreme People's Assembly Kim Yong-nam, center, reviews an honor guard alongside Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, second left, during an official welcoming ceremony in Tehran, Iran, Saturday, Sept. 1, 2012. (AP) TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran and North Korea signed a scientific and technological cooperation agreement Saturday, bringing the two nations deeply at odds with the U.S. closer together.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:54 am | Reply
  28. John Smith

    My only concern is that China will suddenly discover that the Californian island of Santa Catalina has a deep and critical significance to the Chinese people.

    December 13, 2012 at 10:57 am | Reply
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