By Lydia Gall, Special to CNN
Editor’s note: Lydia Gall is the Eastern Europe and the Balkans researcher at Human Rights Watch. The views expressed are her own.
A prominent columnist calls for a “final solution” for Hungary’s Roma population. A member of parliament calls for drawing up a list of Jewish people involved in Hungarian politics. Two-thirds of those asked in an opinion poll say they wouldn’t let their child be friends with a Romani child. Another poll suggests a similar number believe Jewish people have too much influence. One doesn’t have to be a student of history to be worried about the growing climate of intolerance in Hungary.
The hatred clutching Hungary has deepened since the present government took office in 2010 and made a gradual shift to the right. The ongoing campaign by Fidesz, the ruling party, to undermine the rule of law and its clampdown on human rights has contributed to the current state of chauvinistic attitudes in the public domain toward minorities and other vulnerable groups. Government silence has allowed right wing parties such as Jobbik to accelerate hate speech against minorities as well as people within its own ranks, while paramilitaries close to Jobbik carry out intimidating marches through Roma settlements.
The latest example came on January 5, when Zoltan Bayer, a member of Fidesz and a close friend of Prime Minister Viktor Orban, wrote a column in Magyar Hirlap, a right wing paper with close ties to the government. The article was a response to the stabbings of two Hungarian youths on New Year’s Eve, allegedly by Roma assailants. Bayer wrote:
"A significant part of the Roma are unfit for coexistence. They are not fit to live among people. These Roma are animals, and they behave like animals. When they meet with resistance, they commit murder. They are incapable of human communication. Inarticulate sounds pour out of their bestial skulls. […] These animals shouldn't be allowed to exist. In no way. That needs to be solved - immediately and regardless of the method."
Bayer’s column was widely condemned. The deputy prime minister, Tibor Navracsics, spoke out against it shortly after, and EU Commissioners Viviane Reding and Neelie Kroes condemned Bayer’s statements. But there was no official condemnation by Fidesz or crucially from Orban himself. The newspaper initially distanced itself from Bayer’s statement before changing tack, supporting Bayer’s right to free speech and calling on readers to support the government.
Racist speech even finds a platform in parliament. In November, Marton Gyongyosi, a Jobbik member and vice chairman of the parliament’s foreign affairs committee, made headlines when he asked for a list of Jews in government and parliament as they may “present a national security risk to Hungary.” One week later, Orban finally condemned Gyongyosi’s statement.
The Hungarian government has included the works of openly anti-Semitic writers as obligatory reading in public schools, and is paying tribute to Hungary’s interwar regent Admiral Miklos Horthy by allowing statues of him in public space and keeping silent at right wing attempts to rehabilitate him. Horthy was responsible for the deportation of 400,000 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz.
In August 2012, the government’s initial silence was deafening when Hungarian supporters were chanting “Dirty Jews” during a friendly game between Hungary and Israel, an incident for which FIFA (International Federation of Association Football) penalized the Hungarian football federation. It took the government a week to issue a condemnation of the anti-Semitic chants, though condemnation should have been immediate and uncompromising.
While the government is doing precious little to curb the downward spiral of intolerance, the all-powerful and politically appointed media council is busy trying to silence opposition voices in the media who could speak out against people like Bayer. It has tried repeatedly to deny Klubradio, a leading independent radio station, a license. The state broadcaster, MTVA, has fired hundreds of journalists, officially due to financial cutbacks. But it’s not hard to conclude the real reason is to rid itself of critical voices. Journalists working for the state broadcaster report that editorial interference is the norm.
While freedom of expression is a cornerstone in any democratic society, it also follows that democratically elected governments must guarantee that freedom to everybody without discrimination and not only to media outlets loyal to the government. Yet, freedom of expression is not absolute, and the government should publicly condemn at the highest level speech that incites discrimination or hostility toward specific groups and dissuade others from following suit.
With violence and discrimination against Roma a pervasive and longstanding problem, and anti-Semitic attacks on people and memorials increasing, there is an urgent need for the Hungarian government and prime minister to address these alarming trends and for Hungary’s international partners to impress upon its leaders that the situation is not acceptable. In May, unknown assailants scrawled slogans on a Jewish monument in Budapest, such as “This is not your country, dirty Jews” and “You are going to be shot here.” In October, a Jewish leader was attacked in Budapest. During a demonstration on the national holiday in October, Jobbik supporters burned Israeli flags and chanted “Dirty Jews!”
If the Hungarian government fails to firmly distance itself from and condemn speech inciting hostility and discrimination toward the country’s most vulnerable minorities, vigilante groups and right wing parties could interpret the silence as tacit consent to further whip up ethnic tensions. That would deepen the climate of intolerance and risk wider – potentially fatal – violence.
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This is one more point why the Jewish state of Israel is important. When things get too bad here, the Jews of Hungary will have a safe place to go ... and they'll be accepted with open arms.
Yes, but ideally they shouldn't have to leave at all. Also, as Hungarian citizens they are free to live and work anywhere in the EU, which many young people (myself included) have already chosen to do
The funny thing is that even the opposite can be true. The immigration to the state of Israel is now negative, due to the current events on the MIddle East. It means that year by year more jews (mostly elderly, of course) are considering to return to the country where they or their parents were actually born, and claiming their former citizenship back. Some Central European countries have already started the passportization of these people. The reason is very simple. Who the hell wants to live in a war zone if there is another option?
The hatred campaign is mostly fuelled by the new (and old 2002-2004) imported Socialist campaign Guru, a foreigner Mr. Ron Werber. It is up to you to guess his citizenship and check his background on the Internet. We have our social and ethnic problems of course as many other countries do, but please stop putting it under a magnified glass. It is much more difficult to make any progress in these issues than ruin it in a few months. Please stop doing it Mr Werber!
Hello, Fidesz HQ! Keeping warm and safe?
Well, Gypsies here in the good ole' US of A sell and make drugs, and let's face it, the Jews do control everything so can you really blame the Hungarians for being honest???
You're absolutely nuts.
Yo trip, if that were the case about the Jews, then wouldn't everything be running a heck of a lot better around here? There's your proof, poop for brains
Good point Trip! More than that though; Lydia Gall should only be allowed to comment on the Hungarian scene regarding the Gypsies is provided she has agreed to live in NE Hungary in a Gypsy village for an unspecified time and without no more protection from them than Hungarian villagers do. After a respectable period, e.g., a year or so, we can get together and let her talk about her experience about living among/with her beloved Gypsies.
au contrarie Justin... The writer is talking about the incendiary language aimed at Hungarian minorities, that is more and more common. One doesn't need to know the rate of criminality among the Roma, to say that incitement to murder is wrong and that silence of those in power is unbecoming a European.
I taught at a Roma school in Borsod for a year, and somehow I didn't turn into a racist. In fact, quite the opposite. It was perfectly obvious (as it should be to anybody who bothers to think, or read a little about minorities anywhere) that the situations in villages in Borsod, Nograd etc have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture, society and upbringing. I simply don't understand how these racist ideas are still widespread in Hungary in 2013, when the idea that race influences behavior has been demonstrated to be completely false again and again.
Trip... If you have a problem with a certain individual its normal. When you project your hatred to everyone who (for example) speaks the same language or has the same skin color that particualr individual you have a problem with it's BIGOTRY.
Human Rights Watch -that has to be a joke,look at the Patriot act.
The author seems to know little of history. Hungary experienced Jewish Tyranny under Bela Kun ( Cohen) , the butcher of Hungary in 1919 who later went to Spain to murder some more in 1936 and Crimea till he was shot. After 1945 the West handed Hungary with the rest of East European comntries to the Communist tyranny. Most of the leadership that Stalin sent and butchers were Jewish Communist whom Stalin could trust . See Solshenitsyn "200 Years Together ". M. Rakosi ruled by terror with other Jewish henchmen and that is why it can be called Jewish tyranny. Similar things went on in Poland since 1939 -a very good reason for anti-semitism.
Hungarians rebel at the stupidy of Globalism- more power to them. Gypsies were always despised in Europe for not being able to be a part of any nation. After the way Gypsies were used in Hungary to rob the farmers it is no wonder that they are hated. Read the best book on Hungarian Uprising "Uprising" by David Irving and you will understand what Hungarians are rebelling about , the reason for antisemitism and the dislike of Gypsies.
Similarly in Poland there was a Jewish tyranny (Jakub Berman -Stalin's henchman, a soviet citizen),Solomon Morel a butcher that escaped to Israel and could not be extridited for killing Poles and Germans after 1945. Many Jews that terrorized Poland went to England and the US and could not be brought back to face justice.
When Poland joined the EU a huge influx of Gypsies to Warsaw created a problem. If you wanted to park your car -Gypsies would demand money and if not given your car would be damaged. The Gypsy beggers would crowd the streets- a total chaos in the name of Globalism. The result : people in Hungary are tired of being oppressed.
So please before you write any rubbish find out the facts -they are right in David Irving's book and he is a very good historian. Many would like to shut him up and demonized him by labeling him antisemitic and a Holocaust denier which he is not ,if you read his books ; he simply states facts.
Bela Kun was only half Jewish (on his father's side) so technically he wasn't Jewish at all. And there is NEVER "a very good reason for anti-semitism" ! Disgusting. You cannot justify it. Are you happy about the Holocaust?
You sound like a racist to me, yenrog, trying to justify horrible crimes. If any group of people persecute other people than it is OK to 'love" them only. Human nature is different. Anyone that disagrees with a Jewish point of view is automatically labeled anti-semitic. Not all Jews commited crimes. Communism is full of Jewish influence and bloody executions. To sugarcoat history is to do injustice to the victims. You blame the Germans for the Holocaust , what about over 60 million Christans killed by Jewish butchers ?
Béla Kohn..
The Hungarian media lies. protects criminals. the population was left alone contrast to the Offenders (criminals, background power).
rightospeak... It seems that you blame the Jews (ALL Jews) for the action of one or several individuals who happened to be Jewish. Are YOU, as a Christian, willing to accept the responsibility for the deliberate murder of six million Jews committed by Christians during WWII? YES OR NO?
You sound like an anti-Semite to me, overly obsessed with "Jewish crimes.". I am not, nor have I ever, tried to justify horrible crimes. That's a stupid accusation. "Not all Jews commited crimes." Gee, how charitable of you. Not all Catholics committed crimes, not all Christians committed crimes, not all Eskimos or Africans committed crimes either. So what kind of a statement is that? "over 60 million Christans killed by Jewish butchers." Why are you so obsessed with "Jewish crimes"? By saying "Jewish butchers" you make yourself sound like an anti-Semite.
"over 60 million Christans killed by Jewish butchers." This is the first time I have ever heard anyone say this.
Read some history,yenrog. Start with Trocky, Yagoda , Beria, Bela Kun, Moses Rosenberg in Spain, Read about Katyn , millions shipped to Siberia by Jewish Commissars. Yes, I am ticked off hearing about how Jews suffered but no mentioned how others suffered , particularly at Jewish hands . i know personally of people who spent many years in Siberia including my father ( the Germans shipped us by cattle trains ). Thousands were murdered in UB basments in Poland when Jews ran the UB-Polish Secret Police under Jakub Berman and Solomon Morel . People I knew were taken to prisons in Poland never to be heard of again. When i was being raised by a distant family , after my mother died, my Jewish neigbors send their son, a secret policeman ( UB )to rummage through the house I lived in . He stole my uncle's golden watch and terrorized us – no one dared to report him. So Jewish terror leaves deep scars and you can not blame the Hungarians how they feel. Now you know how i feel about the Jewish criminals.So stop being such a Jewish racist !
Thats one of the latest. They especially like the number because it 10x of Holocaust... All people killed by communist attributed to jews. Theres some truth in it, however very little. There were numerous communist leaders with jewish origins, but a lot more without. And the most prominent one, Stalin wasnt jew – he wasnt even liked or trusted them (there was some jewish doctors fake trial). More to that most communist was atheist, believing only in communism, or at least it was mandated.
Same in Hungary: some (ex)jewish people and a lot more (ex)christian. There simply wasn't enough jew to conquer the country even if they would all stick together – which they didnt. But true, the leaders has jewish ancestry, while denounced it. At least this article has just mistakes (Horty's role, Bayer's name) and not deliberate misrepresentation of half or less truths as mr. 1st amendmend's posts.
yeah, and Stalin would later tried to execute most of his partymen of Jewish origin during his 1953 show-trials agains "Zionist conspirators".
ever wondered why, professor?
because the Georgian lad was a total anti-Semite.
You're confusing the show trials of 1937 with the Jewish doctors affair of 1952. Stalin died in March,1953. You're right, however, that the vast majority of Communists in the Soviet Union and the Communist block countries were NOT Jewish.
The historian jumps from Bela Kun (1919 to Rakosi (1945. He conveniently skips Horthy and Szalasi (1944 wh0 murdered 600000 Jews, including 9 members of my immediate family .Thankfully I survived, I am a US citizen, and Ja 1MD. I and fortunatelly my children and grandchildren are not exposed to racist rhetorics like yours. Jan.21 2o13
Hungarian people are saying in a poll that Jewish people have too much influence in their politics ???? That has to be a joke !! Are you kidding me ??
Unfortunately, it is! Backgruondpower=Bilderberg, rothschild... we pay, they are dominated . but it is quite!
Yo trip, if that were the case about the Jews, then wouldn't everything be running a heck of a lot better around here? There's your proof, poop for brains
Hungary is in a weird and not very good place right now, but I DO wish somebody who supposedly has international journalistic credibility would approach these issues with the nuance it deserves. Horthy, for better or for worse, wasn't who this article paints him out to be (though many of his 'nyilazas' hungarian enemies WERE), and the situation with the Roma is *not* comparable to the situation regarding anti-semitism, as large chunks of the Roma flat-out refuse any and all attempts at integration (while doing their damndest to make life impossible for those who *do* try to integrate).
Come on, "journalist." You can do better than this.
Hungary has always had an inferiority complex. As part of the Ottoman and then Habsburg empires from the 16th century onwards, it had been an underdog and emerged as an independent country after World War I. During WW II it was Hitler's lackey and thereafter under Soviet influence. The post-communist era saw Hungary's economic transition. A high level of both private and state borrowing left the country particularly vulnerable to the credit crunch of 2008, which helped the rise of these right-wing parties and ethnic minorities are bearing the brunt of their chauvinism.
Where did you study history , Von S, in East Germany ?
Lydia,
The journalist is not Zoltan Bayer... his name is Zsolt Bayer...
This writer knows nothing about Hungary. Where are her articles about Obama's drone killings of kids all over the world? Or I guess that is not worse than some politician somewhere expressing politically incorrect and awkward thoughts. This writer is a fraud as is the George Soros Human Rights Watch.
Stephen, If you are interested, look up the link:
http://www.hrw.org/news/2012/05/01/us-targeted-killing-policy-disregards-human-rights-law
But I don't think you are. What I think you are interested in is to throw out some garbage to distract from the point of the article, the rise of rabid intolerance in the Hungarian public discourse.
Hungary is a great country, this article is pointless.
Hungary is a great country, it gave the world a number of great scientists, writers, artists.
Hungary is going to become a less-than-great of a country if it tries to stomp out its minorities.
bro, its only a minority that wants to do it, dont confuse a few people with every hungarian. propaganda.
Hungarians are no more and no less antisemitic than any of the other peasant-based East European societies. The difference is that in contrast to other East European countries, where the Jews were completely or almost completely wiped out during the Holocaust, a significant and influential Hungarian Jewish community numbering in the tens of thousands is still perceived to exist, in particular in Budapest. Their numbers still far exceed the capacity of non-Jewish Hungarians to tolerate, especially as Hungarian Jews who opted to remain in the country after the Holocaust looked to Communism as the solution to their problems in Hungary, an ideology and political system that absolutely goes against the grain in the case of most non-Jewish Hungarians, regardless of social class.
Most Hungarian Jews are descendants of Moravian and Galician Jews who settled in Hungary in the 18th and 19th centuries and were emancipated by the Hungarian leadership in 1867 in return for (1) declaring themselves Hungarians and thereby helping the Hungarian numbers against the non-Hungarian majority in the then Kingdom of Hungary, and (2) to undertake the rapid commercial, industrial and cultural development of that backwater on the periphery of Europe, something that neither the Hungarians nor the German burghers of Hungary were capable of. The Jews of Hungary had done very well out of this symbiosis, but the community of interest has come to a sudden end with the loss of the First World War by the Central Powers. On the one hand, Jews were no longer needed to make up the demographic numbers in a shrunk Hungary without significant ethnic minorities, and on the other hand, an up and coming Christian middle class was eager to occupy the social and economic space that Hungarian Jews have carved out to themselves during the half a century before. Unfortunately very few Hungarian Jews were able to or willing to recognize the changed realities for what they were and leave for greener pastures in America and other overseas countries, and after two decades of virulent antisemitic incitement, almost 600,000 of them perished in the Hungarian Holocaust.
My view is that Hungarian Jews, whether or not Jewish in accordance to Jewish law, today increasingly realize the hopeless untenability of their situation in Hungary, and that the younger generation is increasingly looking to finding their way to America, Australia, Israel to make a new life for themselves. In time, there will be no more Jews in Hungary than in Romania today, where out of an almost half a million strong community after the war a mere few thousand old people remain, and when they are gone, that will be it.
sad but, as the matters stand right now, very true.
Thanks for the insight Mike.
I left Hungary decades ago and wasn't aware the virulence of this nonsense until a year or two ago. It boggles the mind.
One of my best friends from the Old Country is an observant Jew, so is the doctor who delivered all my children... Over the years I got used to live and work around all kind of nationalities: North Americans, Chinese, South American folks from various countries. After you get past the minor cultural differences, people are people, they want to work, get on with their lives... see their own children do well... and so on.
I was out of the loop for a long time and missed when this poisonous sludge seeped out of the mud.
The poisonous sludge has always been sloshing around there even in Communist times, especially at grassroots level, albeit less openly than before, and I keenly felt its effects as a kid growing up there in the fifties, on the streets of Budapest in 1956, and subsequently in the refugee camps in Austria and Italy. The sludge then resurfaced with renewed vigor after the regime change in 1989, and when after 47 years I returned to Hungary for a visit in 2003, I was absolutely gobsmacked by the intensity of antisemitism on the streets, and even more gobsmacked by the resolute efforts of my Hungarian Jewish relatives to look the other way. Today I have absolutely nothing to do with either Hungary or Hungarians, whether non-Jewish or Jewish, and have written off the whole crazy lot of them as a bunch of hopeless retards.
My second comment to Stephen about G. Sor running Batory Foundation to meddle in Polish politics. There is also a saying there : if Poland could only be Poland. i am getting sick of CNN's censorship. It seems only comments supporting the propaganda are allowed today.
It's pretty comical (and sad) that while there are no Jews left in Poland the racists still blame them for everything happening there...
It looks from your comments that you are here to rain on people's parades, thinker. You may think a lot ,but you are misinformed. No Jews in Poland left ?????You are wrong and I have some in my own distant family as welll as I know many personally.Some are very fine ,outstanding people. I do feel that historical truth must be told. So, it is not comical what i write. It may be funny to you because you are a racist and an ignorant one at that.
CNN is not allowing my comments today because there are enemies of free speech at work there today.Orban Mester, Mike were probably paid to support the Jewish point of view- Do you think Hungarians are talking about the same thing I am in the US ?
RightToSpeak,
I am sorry about your difficulties of shining the light of truth on the foreign hearted evildoers... but take heart: your personal censors have to sleep too, the night is yours!
On a serious note: I don't have to get paid, I can be utterly disgusted on my own. You see I grew up in Hungary and we didn't speak like that. Not in my family. I find this racist talk truly surprising and the silence of public figures nauseating.
Thanks for the tip, Orban.You can appreciate then that if truth is not told , ugly history repeats itself.
I am thoroghly disgusted with CENSORSHIP today at CNN. Because of censorship the difference between the media's reality and the reality of American people is as vast as the Amazon river.People are beginning to realize how you manipulate the comments and dragged us into endless wars and bankrupcy. Mel Gipson was right ! So was Helen Thomas, so was Rick Sanchez, so was Congressman Findley .
American climate of intolerance for a different point of view has been ALARMING for a long time. There is censorship and brainwashing just like under Communism. Well, we are under GLOBALISM-a different version of it. Same people seem to float to the top-evil people.
I do not see any reason racism should be tolerated in America or anywhere else.
Tell yourself that ,thinker23-you definately are one.Look in the mirror.
rightospeak... I'm not sure what YOUR definition of racism and racist is but for me it's DISCRIMINATION OF PEOPLE BY THEIR RACE, RELIGION OR ETHNICITY. I do not discriminate people by these categories. YOU, however, declare that the Jews are bad... On the other hand, I have not seen your answer to my question above: Are you, as a Christian, willing to accept the responsibility for the murder of SIX MILLION JEWS by the Nazis? Almost all Nazis were Christians...
This article misleads people by taking examples that have been over hyped then over hypeing each example.
For example, this article talks about Jewish monuments having been targeted by vandals, but it fails to talk about monuments of national importance like Horthys monument that was defaced by a pro-Jewish racist, even after he was caught the government didn't even charge the vandal.
Also, Gypsies being victims of violence?
Haha. It is Gypsies who rob, stab, and abuse people. When people in Hungary, Czech Republic, Bulgaria protest Gypsies they do so because of the reality on the ground. Gypsies commit crime and murder against non-Gypsies with impunity, and when people protest some Western outlet calls the protest as an example of violence.
In Czech Republic in 2011 mass riots erupted in the North because Gypsies openly targeted whites, in some of the attacks racist language was even used. Despite these attack the West ignored to violence, and instead focused largely on the protesters who were sick of the abuse, the same happen in Bulgaria that year. Look it up on YouTube about Bulgarians protesting Roman crime.
In Hungary the situation is even worse, because the Gypsy refuses to be integrated. Now, Americans forced whites to integrate and that was seen as civil rights struggle, however when Hungary government moves to integrate Gypsies Western affiliated groups call it anti-Roma, the same is when people call for Jews to be less Jewish and be more Hungarian by only having Hungarian citizenship they call it Anti-semantic, oddly though that Americans don't view forced integration of whites as anti-white.
What a hypocrite people Americans truly are.
The Fidesz only follows the Republican formula. They even put up Reagan statues. They are neo-liberals, known in USA as neoconervatives (same thing).
Where have you been brave america in 1956? Lied lied as usual... We know you very well . But you have no idea about living in Hungary. You, well paid troublemaker!!!
First, Hungary is not such a weak country that a report by HRW will stir up trouble.
Second, Human Rights Watch is a private organization, founded 20+ years after the '56 revolution. Most of the people who work there weren't even alive at the time.
I really need to ask the publicist to take a journey to Hungary, and talk common people on the streets, BEFORE write fake things. There is peace and don't walks fascist on the streets. The gipsy people are not afraid, the talking about Jews is a bad game of a little group called Jobbik, but NOT THE GOVERNMENT! We are happy to live here, and take a big march in the last year to keep our PM on his road against the post-communist party called MSZP. 67% votes this government, and please don't worry about us. Thanks, we fine: ) ...
ps: sorry for my Tartanak english.
I agree 100%.
Thomas
There is a problem in Hungary Big Time. I'm Roma from Hungary and there are a lot of fascists. Jobbik has its own militia created against gypsies. When I was in Hungary I heard/felt racism almost everywhere. It's not just racism they actually killed Roma, including a child, just because they were Roma. Please don't tell me there is no problem. Of course as long as you are a white Hungarian, you don't see any problem.
Take Care Lydia, Pinocchio´s Nose become also longer and longer....
This is why CNN is rotting....
You are selecting between the comments. Censorship. And you are judging people and preach about freedom of speech... Ha...
Yeah, we seem to be at the tail end of the thread, it pretty much degenerated to superficial one liners and name calling.
There were a few informative entries the first day though.
This is one reason why Canada sending most of the Hungarian gypsies back to Hungary:
http://www.cireport.ca/2012/01/hungarian-gypsies-set-record-with-largest-human-trafficking-case-in-canadian-history.html
In fact I am very happy that I got this reply. The issue in Hungary is more about internal politics than a reality. I have nothing to do with FIDESZ, never been a member, or employee of the party, whatever, only one voter of millions. FIDESZ has already hurt the interest of different privileged groups (holy cows) in the society, including mine. On the other hand, this govenment is on the right way to close the most of the money pumps leading out from the country. Believe it or not, the party still holds the majority not only in the Parliament, but according to the polls has a stabil advance within the society as well.
hungary is becam the first state fasciste of the uninon of europe!!
victor orban,said a few year's a go,;- "my personnage prefered in the history is benito mussolini!!"-
anybody know's what thiswant to said!!
i' was a ex-deoprted man to budapest a auschwitz-birkenau a 1944 juni!
i' know what i' see and what i' hear!!
I think you don't know what are You talking about. it's a simple lie, plz come to Hungary to see the truth, talking with people of the streets,and you will see, what a dummy things you thinking....
The article is inaccurate and untrue.
How can you believe after all the other countries in reporting???
Oni Bar-Asher,
Orban did not say that!
That's a lie!!!
Viktor Orbán and Fidesz is not anti-Semitic!!!
Hungary is a very small number of people who are anti-Semites and racists.
But that exist in every country.
I've seen on film in the U.S. marching Nazis.
I've seen racism in the U.S..
This can be reduced?? This show that the U.S. racist, anti-Semitic??
Good to do that??????
No!!
Let us hope that the censors are asleep. If one were from Mars and saw our Afiirmative Action which is discrimination agaist White males, one could conclude that the US is ANTI-WHITE. Why is the word antisemite used a lot and not the word anti -White ?
No one prevents you from running around with a sign saying that America is "anti-White" and that the Jews are responsible for it... Maybe, someone will pay attention to you.
Interesting.... The Canadian government said Hungary is a safe, so they will send all the Hungarian gypsy "refugees" back to Hungary in the near future. Or maybe they got enough of the gypsy "culture". (Please read the news about it).
Please take a couple of hundred thousand gypsies to the U.S, teach them how to behave like civilized human beings then send them back to Hungary. Good luck!
LET'S HOPE OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WILL TAKE THE SAME ACTION AGAINST THE JEWS. THEY ARE THE CORRUPTED SIDE OF THIS WORLD. LONG LIVE TO WRIGHT WING IN HUNGARY AND TO PEOPLE LIKE Zoltan Bayer.
Zoltan Bayer is a fiction.... Do you know who wrote that publication? Do you know anything about Hungary, or just write silly comments like that?
Some countries already "took action" and got rid of their Jews. Look at the wonderful life the people of these countries got as a result... Look at Germany in the 1940s, Poland in the 1950s, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Algeria today... All these countries "took action" against the Jews and all were/are doing just fgreat, don't they?
It's a precise presentation and analysis. The exact name of the mentioned member of Fidesz and a close friend of Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who wrote a column in Magyar Hirlap is not Zoltan Bayer. His correct name is Zsolt Bayer.
Please express condemnation to your senator of the Hungarian governments's failure to put down hatred and intolerance. In an Internet age where ideologies and examples spread overnight, we can not have any patience or passive allowance of the putrid acts of hate and intolerance taking place at frightening levels in Hungary.
The censors and enemies of free speech at CNN are at it again. I tried to respond to ibritter suggesting that we become tolerant in the US. and the abuses of intolerance mentioned in Paul Findley's books . The abuses against people questioning money spent on Israel need to end.
So you're calling for TOLERANCE for your INTOLERANCE of Jews??? Pretty comical, don't you agree?
tolerance of Neocon crimes = Amorality and inherent corruption of the people
I also mentioned that the terrorism against a veteran of journalism, Helen Thomas, that I saw on TV myself should have no place in our society. The attacks on Mel Gibson should also have no place in our society. The labels of antiSemitism for disagreeing with a Jewish point of view belong to the Dark Ages, witch hunts.
Anti-Semitism by definition is HATRED AND DISCRIMINATION of Jews. No one would blame you or anyone else in anti-Semitism if your "disagreement" was based on FACTS and if you've applied the same rules and criteria to Jews and everyone else.
One can not have an intelligent discussion with racists like you , Thinker..You are like a Marxist fanatic that if told that Communism does not work ,that it sent millions to Gulags – will deny it. Palestinians can not be anti-Semites , can they ? They just love the people that stole their land. Tell it to the Palestinians !
The Communist Party -both Menshevics and Bolshevics were dominated and overrepresented by Jews and must bear responsibility for Communist CRIMES. Read "200 Years Together" by Solshenitsyn – there are some chapters translated on the internet and you will understand what Hungarians are talking about. Better yet-if you want to know what happened in Hungary read David Irving's "Uprising" ,the best book on the Hungarian Revolution in 1956. If you want to know what people are complaining about in this country read Congressman Paul Findley's book "Speaking Out" with an introduction by Helen Thomas.
Haha, now you can see with your own eyes how Hungary REALLY IS MOVING INTO A NAZI STATE. Just check the comments of the Hungarian citizens below, nazi hate speach is spread all over the state. Just check it, and think about a state, in which you have to face these primitives day by day. Do you want to reach this. NO? Than fight against rasics, intollerance, hate speach, antisemitism (and also islamophobia) day-by-day. The situation of Europe is fragile, some countries reached a state in which fasitic values overruled other basic porinciples of life.
I tried to comment this post, but it didn't appear. This is just a technical test, whether a shorter comment works.
Good comments, Ferenc. The reason your initial comments did not appear, I would guess, because the Thought Police censors at CNN did not like your political content. Then, they may have been low on staff and went to the bathroom so your other comments went through . The enemies of free speech at CNN just can not handle the truth, they have to destroy it and have the means to do it to manipulate the public opinion. I have an idea who some of them are .
While people are being kidnapped and kept in jail for a political statement in the US like Human Right Activist Ernst Zundel was, the author of this article is worried about Hungary.
OK, then it'll come in pieces:
Part 1:
Dear Ms Gall, taking the formal limitations of a comment into account, let me briefly react to your article. Using your words, one doesn’t have to be a student of media science to identify that your article is just another superficial Hungary-bashing with surprisingly lots of factual errors and missing of relevant information.
I don’t know how seriously you take the opinion of Anti-Defamation League (ADL), but when it comes to extremism and anti-Semitism, I tend to listen to their voice, just as I did just a week ago, when I met Michael Salberg, its director of international affairs in Los Angeles, and I could personally express how pleased we had been, when a month ago ADL released a statement saying that it “welcomed the Hungarian government's approval of an amendment laying the groundwork to hold members of parliament accountable for hateful remarks.” (http://www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/6461_13.htm) Somehow you missed this point in your article.
Part 2:
Referring to the football match incident, you also missed to quote the press release my office issued, claiming that the “Hungarian government condemns in the strongest possible terms the insulting behaviour of certain Hungarian football fans during the friendly match between Israel and Hungary on 15 August.” (http://www.kormany.hu/en/prime-minister-s-office/news/the-hungarian-government-s-response-to-the-insulting-behaviour-of-fans-at-the-recent-football-match-between-israel-and-hungary)
Depressing how predictable it is: the same list of the atrocities of the Orban regime and the insanities of an increasingly lumpen-demotic society, followed by the same blatherings in the comment section of the Fidesz trolls and the genocide-brigade, the latter forever looking back to the stories Grandpa told about his wonderful youth in the Arrow Cross....
Already, official figures show that Orban, in a mere two years, has driven away as many Hungarian citizens as left after 1956. A second term will, at this rate, lead to little short of a second Mohács, i.e. the century and a half of Ottoman occupation of the Pannonian basin after 1526. And even the Turkish yoke brought in paprika and mineral baths, I can't see what good will come out of poisoning the minds of an entire generation with cheapjack nationalism and genocidal hate.
Hey bixley!
Why are you worry about us? We vote to Mr Orban with 67% and thanks, we fine. There is no antisemitism or other bad ideas in our minds, but why are you wrote that? It's a simple lie, and I think you know that. Please don't talking about you don't know, right? Of course,right.
As the deputy state secretary for International Communication of the Government of Hungary, I have written an open letter to Ms. Gall, responding to her article, which suffers from imbalance and a number of errors of omission. You can read the open letter at my blog here:
http://ferenckumin.tumblr.com/post/41356652683/an-open-letter-to-lydia-gall-human-rights-watch
This is interesting. Ferenc Kumin, Government of Hungary official, responds in an open letter:
http://ferenckumin.tumblr.com/post/41356652683/an-open-letter-to-lydia-gall-human-rights-watch
MIT KÉPZELTEK MAGATOKRÓL PÖFESZKEDŐ EURÓPAI PARASZTOK.TI BIRÁLTOK MINKET OLASZOK EL ZAVARJÁK A ROMÁKAT A FRANCIÁK FELSZÁMOLJÁK A ROMA TELEPEKET A CANADAI KORMÁNY KITOLONCOLJA ŐKET .FRANCIA ORSZÁGAN ZSINAGÓGÁKAT GYÚJTANAK FEL EZEK UTÁN MÉG MERTEK POFÁZNI SZARHÁZI TETVEK.BLATTERNEK KÖTÉL KELL A NYAKÁRA MIKOR A MAGYAROKAT GYALÁZZÁK A ROMÁNOK A SZLOVÁKOK SPORTESEMÉNYEN NEM NYITJA KI A POFÁJÁT CSAK HA ZSIDÓZNAK.EZ AZ EURÓPA NEM KELL NEKÜNK EZ AZ EURÓPA SZENNY ÉS A MOCSOK A FERTŐ MELEG ÁGYA.
Here in the USA hostile anti-Christians won't even let us watch our national hero, Tim Tebow, play football!
that is a lot of BS, mister crappygovernment
that is a lie, mister crappygovernment!
I am just amazed by some of the comments. Especially the guy who keeps talking about the CNN thought police – even though his comments are here. Funny, scary and sad. Just like Hungary today.
Hungary and most of us Hungarians have always been pointing to "the others" (Jews, Romas, Habsburgs, Germans, Communists, Russians, the Americans, etc.) as being the reason for their problems, when in fact it us Hungarians who are our greatest enemy. The mentality of most Hungarians as well as the government that REPRESENTS them will bring Hungary to her knees. WE HUNGARIANS are our greatest enemy!
Sad Hungarian – who are YOU???? who points who???? I dont see anybody pointing anyone, just liberal paty points Hungarians to be raccist. As a parent of half gipsy children, we never got pointed on us! Nor my family members!