Dawkins: Religion no moral compass
September 27th, 2013
05:53 PM ET

Dawkins: Religion no moral compass

By Jason Miks

GPS digital producer Jason Miks sits down with renowned evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, author of the Selfish Gene and An Appetite for Wonder, to discuss readers’ questions on religion, its role in society and whether children can be described as “Christian.”

A number of readers noting your skepticism over religion’s role in society ask whether an absence of religion would leave us without a moral compass?

The very idea that we get a moral compass from religion is horrible. Not only should we not get our moral compass from religion, as a matter of fact we don’t. We shouldn’t, because if you actually look at the bible or the Koran, and get your moral compass from there, it’s horrible – stoning people to death, stoning people for breaking the Sabbath.

Now of course we don’t do that anymore, but the reason we don’t do it is that we pick out those verses of the bible that we like, and reject those verses we don’t like. What criteria do we use to pick out the good ones and reject the bad ones? Non-biblical criteria, non-religious criteria. The same criteria as guide any modern person in their moral compass that has nothing to do with religion.

So the moral compass of any person is very much a part of the century or even the decade in which they happen to live, regardless of their religion. So we live in the early 21st century, and our moral compass in the early 21st century is quite different from 100 years ago, or 200 years ago. We are now much less racist than they were, much less sexist than they were. We are much kinder than non-human animals than they were – all sorts of respects in which we are labeled with a moral compass. So something has changed, and it certainly has nothing to do with religion.

You’ve been travelling to the States from the U.K. for a number of years. Have you noticed much of a change in the place of religion in the two countries over that time?

Notoriously, the United States is the most religious of the Western advanced nations. It’s a bit mysterious why that is. In Britain, Christianity is dying. Islam, unfortunately, isn’t. In Western Europe generally, Christianity is dying. Even in America, the figures show that religious adherence is being steadily reduced, and the people who now record themselves as having no religious affiliation is something like 20 percent. Many people don’t recognize what a high figure it is, and so politicians here who feel they have to curry favor with religious lobbies should maybe take a look at those statistics and realize that not everyone in this country is religious.

You say it’s a bit of a mystery why America is so much more religious than other advanced countries. Do you have any thoughts on why it might be? Tied to that question of disposition, several readers also wondered if there is a genetic predisposition toward faith?

There probably is, but I don’t think that really explains why America is so different from Britain. The least implausible suggestion that I’ve heard is that Britain and Scandinavian countries, which are also very non-religious, have an established church, and that kind of makes religion boring. Whereas in America, there is constitutionally a bar against an established church, and that could be one reason why religion has become so popular – it has become big business, it has become free enterprise, rival churches vie with each other for congregations and especially tax free ties.

Some readers see you as very evangelical in your atheism. Do you feel it a duty, just as some Christians might to share the word of God, to spread an atheist point of view?

Duty is a funny word. But when you say evangelical, I like to think that I don’t shout or shriek, but employ a quiet, sober voice of reason. And reason is on our side.

You’ve talked about feeling uncomfortable with the impact of religion on children. In fact, one reader asked whether you would prefer to see no under-18s at church. What’s your take?

I certainly wouldn’t wish to prohibit parents influencing their children. However, for the rest of the world, to label a child a Catholic child simply because its parents are Catholic, seems to me to be a form of child abuse. The child is too young to know.

You can see the absurdity of talking about a Catholic child of four when you think what it would be like if we talked about an existentialist child of four, or a logical positivist of four. In other words, we wouldn’t accept the labeling of a child based the parents’ belief, so why do we accept it when it’s religion? Why does religion get a free pass when it comes to labeling children in this way?

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  1. New Dawn Rising

    This article pretty much spells out a plan for political gold. It will be interesting to see who will be the first candidate who can think outside the box enough to run with it.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Reply
    • Sue Me

      Exactly what I was thinking. A black president was a big deal in just 50 years of civil rights, how long would it take to get an atheist in power? I always hate seeing the president of the free world cow down to the sky demon mumbo jumbo about Jesus and love and what? water in the ear to me.
      peace y'all, JUST SAY NO! (to gods that is)

      September 28, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Reply
  2. Mopery

    I'd rather be burning bibles.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Reply
  3. David

    Deport all athiests, We let this small minority push us around too long. Why did we let this even happen?

    September 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Reply
    • coderjones

      Native Americans are asking the same thing about pilgrims

      September 28, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Reply
    • mirageseekr

      Wow, so you basically want sharia type law? What do you think happens to you then when someone else doesn't like what your doing? The lack of impulse control is really astonishing in the super religious.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Reply
    • oakstave

      Christian Taliban are traitors to our freedom.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Reply
    • awasis

      I think David is from Iran, because that's the kind of ideas that they have there.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:18 pm | Reply
    • Fred M.

      David, were you raised to be that ignorant and intolerant or is it something you picked up on your own? You honestly think that anyone who doesn't believe in your imaginary, invisible, all-powerful sky-daddy should be deported? You do realize that most atheists in the U.S. are U.S. citizens who were born here, don't you? So you can't "deport" us.

      Even if you could somehow get all atheists out of the U.S., the result would be a population with lower average IQ, lower education level, and lower average income (since atheists, on average, have higher IQs, more education, and higher incomes).

      September 28, 2013 at 4:18 pm | Reply
      • Rob

        American Athiests are welcome to come up to Canada! We have universal health care, equal rights, and freedom from persecution due to your beliefs. All things the American Christians don't believe in.
        Your logic and scientific proof will be a welcome addition to what we already have.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        American Christian liberals believe in having that too. Very strongly.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Mopery

      Sure go ahead and deport all those Atheists, and while your country's scientific and engineering potential reverts to the 18th century we'll all be living it up 21st century style in a country free of mythological constraint.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Reply
    • Obi_don

      @David: And you call yourself an American? There are several reasons why you let us atheists push you around: 1) Our logic beats your fairy tales every time; 2) It's not up to you to "allow" atheists to do what we do – America is the world's first secular democracy, and one of the reasons why we've been so successful; 3) You let us atheists push you around because our brains are buffed-out because we exercise them using reason, logic and real-world evidence, while your brains are weak and mushy from gorging on the pablum you call religion, and the long-term disuse of your minds when you turn them off in order to ingest the aforementioned pablum. I hope that answers your question.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:29 pm | Reply
      • jimbob

        I want a billboard up with that NOW!

        September 28, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • Marc Ellis

      Yes, I'd like to live in a land where small minds like David's don't exist...

      September 28, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Reply
    • Fred Evil

      What's wrong, your prayer didn't work?

      September 28, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Reply
    • Ace

      Using your stupid logic we should send all blacks to Africa, since they are a minority. Wake up idiot.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Reply
    • Jeff Williams

      You did not "let this happen". You had no choice. As mankind advances his knowledge of how the universe works, your mythologies become more and more irrelevant.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Reply
    • Eric

      Or we could deport all people named David.

      Axial Tilt is the reason for the seasons.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Reply
    • fmagyar

      There are currently about 3,700 deities and spirits that are actively worshiped around the globe. I'm going to bet you don't believe in 3,699 of them. The only difference between you and an atheist is that they don't believe in your god either.
      For exactly the same reason that you don't believe in those 3,699 other deities. Go to God Checkers dot com.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Reply
    • Screw You David

      It's come down to this, hasn't it? Calling for a mass deportation of people with their own beliefs. You sicken me.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Reply
    • michael

      atheists have the right to say and feel how they want just as you , problem is we need to get to the truth of religion and stop all the lies on who made religion and where it came from,then this country can debate on all that!

      September 28, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Reply
    • ggargoyle

      David must have been an Ignoramist child at age four, as were likely his parents, and he never grew beyond that stage....

      September 28, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Reply
    • Dane Moser

      Everyone is an atheist when they are born, so your saying all babies that are born should be deported. You are a very mean person. Check on some facts about atheism I'm pretty sure they commit less crimes, and are not as racist as religious people. But hey don't believe me, look it up.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
    • Hueuncool

      What's the difference between the bible and koran books? Not a thing, they both were written by man (100% male writers at that) and encourage ignorance to keep their flocks from questioning the "elders".

      September 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Reply
  4. Vic

    Did see it before. Atheism looks like religion to me. The quote "I certainly wouldn’t wish to prohibit parents influencing their children..." will turn in to "I certainly prohibit parents influencing their children", given the chance and power to do so, because there is already a thought. It did in the former soviet horror time in Russia... First hand witness... Jesus is LEADING by love. We, given a chance, often PUSH.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Reply
    • awasis

      All you are doing is brain washing your children.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Reply
    • Fred M.

      Saying that atheism is form of religion is like saying that bald is a hairstyle.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Reply
      • Ace

        LOL. I gotta remember that one.. Fantastic!

        September 28, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
      • Brent

        Bald CAN be a hairstyle if it's on purpose.

        September 28, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
      • SciGuy

        Bald is a hairstyle.

        September 28, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
      • JT

        The better analogy is if atheism is a religion then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Soldier

      Atheism is less a religion and more of a dogma. Anything goes as long as it is not attributed to God. Also I am curious where atheist's moral compass comes from? I am not saying Atheists don't have one, but what is that compass pointing at if it is not measured against something higher than themselves? That is relativist morality, meaning that one set of morals is just as good as any other. None is right and none is wrong. Actually the same argument the Nazis used at the Nuremberg trials. They questioned who could ultimately judge that Nazi morality is wrong as it is all subjective and relative and they were just following orders. After all Hitler subscribed to the ultimate form of atheism and propagated the morality of Darwin and Nietzsche to their ultimate conclusions. If you atheists forget that lesson of history you are doomed to repeat it. I am not accusing all atheists of being Nazis nor of having no morality but I am telling you that is where atheism ultimately leads from a moral standpoint. Just look at Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. Those are prime examples of true atheism at work my friends. Freedom is equality under God because there is a higher law than any nation's laws at any given time in history. Without a higher power there is no higher law.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
      • fyre

        I do believe humans are innately good – most children start off as innocent and good, but slowly become corrupted by the world. Avoidance of this corruption doesn't just have to be adherence to the Bible or because God told you so. It can also come from the type of person you are. For me doing positive things and helping other people makes me happy. I don't have any desire to harm other people. That's how myself and a lot of other atheists live. Our only reward for being good is that it makes us happy.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
      • JT

        Sigh...Hitler was a Christian. People like you repeating the lie that he was an atheist over and over will never change this fact. And Stalin was an evil man no because he was an atheist. I know many evil Christians who are far worse than any atheist I know.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
      • Pest

        Hitler was a Catholic, and Nazi belt buckles had the inscription, "Gott mit uns" on them. Nazi Germany is a better example of how religion doesn't make immoral people moral than it is of anything relating to atheism.

        As Dawkins correctly asserted, Christians pick and choose which parts of their bibles to follow, rationalizing as necessary. That's an exercise in subjectivity. The difference between you and me is that I don't pretend that my subjective morality comes from a holy book.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
      • Tony Soprano

        Do you believe in the morality as stated in the Koran?Why can't you follow this simple moral code-DON'T BE A D I C K.There is no need to fear an eternity of torture to be a good person.If you feel you would go on rampage of criminal behaviour with-out your faith,then I truly feel sorry for you and people like you.I consider this unsettling and more than just a little creepy.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
  5. Thomas Chiason

    Religion is man-made and God is man-created. God-based religion is morally contradictory–the horrific statements against the "infidels" in the Bible, the hypocritical behavior in the name of religion, and the self-serving prejudice and dogma are basically irreligious and immoral in nature.

    Good, noble things and people are religious and moral in nature–Human beings are inherently religious and moral at heart, having nothing to do with religion. Religious people are not necessarily ethical and moral, and they are by no means morally superior to the non-religious..

    September 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Reply
    • nepawoods

      "God is man-created" ... If that were false, would there be some way to prove it false? How?

      September 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Reply
      • Thomas Chiason

        God is a noun that people use to describe something that is inconceivable, incomprehensible and supernatural. God exists if people believe that there is a God in the sky. God does not exist if people do not believe that there is a God in the heaven.. The existence or non-existence of God depends on individual knowledge, understanding and rationality. The truth is that God is the product of the human mind.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
      • ed halton

        Complete lack of any evidence.

        Magic is not real.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
    • Soldier

      The problem with atheist morality is that anything goes as long as it is not attributed to God. Also I am curious where an atheist's moral compass comes from? I am not saying that Atheists don't have one, but what is that compass pointing at if it is not measured against something higher than themselves? This is relativist morality, meaning that one set of morals is just as good as any other. None is right and none is wrong. Actually the same argument the Nazis used at the Nuremberg trials. They questioned who could ultimately judge that Nazi morality is wrong as it is all subjective and relative and they were just following orders. After all Hitler subscribed to the ultimate form of atheism and propagated the morality of Darwin and Nietzsche to their ultimate conclusions. If you atheists forget that lesson of history you are doomed to repeat it. I am not accusing all atheists of being Nazis nor of having no morality but I am telling you that is where atheism ultimately leads from a moral standpoint. Just look at Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia. Those are prime examples of true atheism at work my friends. Freedom is equality under God because there is a higher law than any nation's laws at any given time in history. Without a higher power there is no higher law.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Reply
      • Mopery

        Godwin's Law aside, you really need to learn more about history, son. Religion played a large role in the third reich. Nazi Germany was very much christian, so much so that the catholic church turned their heads even as the Jews were being sent to the ovens. Stalin may have been an Atheist, but he was a psychopath first and foremost. If you understood anything about Russian society you'd know that the Czars were basically considered to be living gods, and that's just how Stalin viewed himself, as a god. If the only thing preventing you from being a bloodthirsty psychopath is the fear of some omnipotent sky-man watching your every move, then you've got some real problems.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
      • Soldier

        Mopery – you are the one who doesn't understand history. Look at the way Communist China or any other modern atheist society is run. The Catholic church did fail in Nazi Germany and both Hitler and Stalin were undoubtedly psychopaths but you are using these examples to detract from the point that all of these governments were the ultimate endgame of an "Atheist" morality. If there is no higher standard by which all men are created equal, then the strong survive and the weak perish and Hitler and Stalin were justified in their genocides under relativist atheistic morality. Hitler saw the church as a rival, a bulwark to his morality and he sought to marginalize it which he did fairly well in the case of the Catholic church. But other Christians (especially in the Protestant church stood up. Maybe you have heard of Dietrich Bonhoeffer?). I don't really know of any organized "atheist" opposition to Hitler whatsoever, or do you know of some that are not in the history books). I do know my history "son"! But you clearly don't. What is your moral compass? Is it okay to murder someone else? If not, why not? Because the current law says so? In Nazi Germany, the law allowed people to kill Jews with no consequences. What is your moral basis or bias? If there is no higher law and no higher power then your morality is relative. That was always the biggest problem with atheism. You have morality but you don't know where it comes from and refuse to accept it may come from something higher than yourself. The argument that was used to rebut and ultimately convict the Nazis at Nuremberg was that there is a higher law and it applies to all mankind regardless of race, culture or belief. The same thing applies here, you just are too blind to see it right now. Head in sand does go both way my friends, it really does...

        September 28, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
      • Mopery

        I'd much rather have my head stuck in the sand than up in that dark smelly hole you've managed to shove yours into.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        Thank you. I have been trying to make these points to people that seem completely clueless about this. Maybe they'll get what you're saying.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
      • Soldier

        Disillusioned – they may be smart enough to understand what I am saying but they won't "get" it. They have made their beds and now have to lie in it no matter how uninviting it looks. Like radial right-wing, so called "Christians" they have gone to the other extreme and no amount of logic or reason will change that. These are the "Westboro Baptist Church" of Atheism. Such is human logic and reason. The difference between Christians and Atheists is that we have an advocate that can overcome their "reason". They have nothing beyond the sound of their own voices... Prayer is more effective than reason with people who have a vested interest in their own version of "reason". Clearly it goes both ways.

        September 28, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
      • Soldier

        Mopery – great comeback! You have convinced me with your reason. I see the light... 🙂

        September 28, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
    • Lazlo

      I find it amusing that atheists use the Old Testament as their foil to the peace of Christianity and fail to understand the core reason Christ came – to finally free us from the Law and show us the way to God. He is the new covenant, and there is no stoning in his teaching. Love is the word. He is the word.

      September 28, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Reply
  6. kip

    What's the difference between someone who prays in a casino and someone who prays in church................................ the one who prays in a casino means it.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Reply
  7. norm

    Court us? They can't!! That's the whole idea.. we won't fall a single ideology and stick with it.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm | Reply
  8. Wally

    It is a good thing he can't reproduce.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Reply
    • Tony Soprano

      Professor Dawkins is responsible for producing millions of atheists.And we're coming to get your bibles.It will take decades,but we"ll get them.Have a nice day!

      September 28, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Reply
      • Soldier

        How truly un-American of you. This is spoken like someone who doesn't believe in what America stands for! I believe in the freedom of religion. I am also a Christian and a former soldier. What is disgusting about your professor Dawkins is that he is trying to use the freedom of speech to take away the freedom of religion. And it is sad you can't see that. Maybe you are European (which would explain a lot)? When the war in Afghanistan is over the next one may be against this Westboro Baptist Church of Atheism of which you and Dawkins are clearly converts. I physically fought the Taliban to protect my freedom (and yours) of religion and speech. Don't think that this Atheist Taliban that is fermenting at home will go unopposed because comments like this clearly reveal it for what it is. So much more dangerous than physical terrorism.

        September 28, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
  9. Pablo

    Atheist are very arrogant. Carl Sagan, an agnostic and one of the greatest minds of the 20th century, was once asked if he were an atheist. He replied "no, you would have to know much more than I to be certain that there is no supreme being". So he left it as, life is a mystery. Why we are here and what it's all about we may never know. Lord Bertrand Russell, mathematician and philosopher, said that he saw no evidence support the existence or non-existence of a supreme being. But somehow, today's atheist seem to be above these great minds and are sure that they know.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Reply
    • Sue Me

      pretty sad argument Pablo 😦
      The atheist position IS one of not knowing. But it is sad that we have to "defend" it. We don't go around announcing to people that we are non-alchemists! Noone can turn lead into gold. We don't go around introducing ourselves as being non-astrologers! Noone can read the future. ..or any other fake and false thing. So why do we have to be labeled as a-theist when the notion of theism is painfully ridiculous to begin with? What gods? huh? Deities that run the universe? LOL. Head in the sand.

      This next century is really going to bugger with the theists...time for them to be relegated to the fringe of society now that we are at least at the point where it is acceptable to stand up and shout "There are no gods! You have no soul! There is no after life! Be happy! Be well! LIVE!" ...instead of being stoned or burned at a stake...

      September 28, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Reply
    • Eight He Ist

      Pablo,
      Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. We do not claim that it is a certainty that a god does not exist. Atheists feel it is highly unlikely that a god does exist based on our conception of reality; however, we cannot prove there is no god. There is a long list of other things that we cannot prove do not exist such as flying spaghetti monsters and invisible pink unicorns. We would have to search all that exists in order to prove that these things do not exist. Unfortunately we do not have the time to do that, so we just assume that they (and all gods) don't exist because there is no evidence that they do exist.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Reply
    • Soldier

      Atheism is not a lack of belief, it is an active disbelief or the doctrine that there is no deity. Check Webster's definition if you disagree: a : a disbelief in the existence of deity. b : the doctrine that there is no deity

      If you are not sure whether God exists or believe there might be a God but don't know which one then you are an agnostic not an atheist. Atheism is "faith" that there is no God without a whole lot of proof. The difference is that there is no ultimate reward for your kind of faith. You have one life and when it is over it is over. No consequences, no judgment, no afterlife. Based on this I don't understand why all Atheists don't just go on criminal rampages as long as they don't get caught. After all, there is no reason or higher morality (other than the courts and jail) to hold them to being "moral" people, right? "Look out for #1" is an atheist concept. Sociopaths understand this concept well. But there is a higher law, one that applies to theists and atheists alike whether you choose to deny it or not. The problem with atheistic "faith" is that when you die and face an afterlife, you will argue that you were moral deserving people but God will tell you that He never knew you, just as the Bible says. And then that is that. You atheists can belittle this belief all you want, but when it happens you will be deeply regretful. If I am wrong then what is the difference really? If I die and there is no afterlife then there is no regret for me either is there? Either way, atheism is a losing gamble...

      September 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
      • Mopery

        Atheism is a belief like not collecting stamps is a hobby. No faith required, just an inquiring mind and some healthy skepticism. You ridicule Atheism for having no proof, but where is the proof for your own beliefs? Some shoddily assembled bronze-age mythology no doubt. You espouse beliefs and concepts where none exist, and complete your ramblings with a tour de force of wishful self-aggrandizing fantasy. Kudos.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
      • Pest

        There are different definitions of atheism, and you are choosing the one that makes it easier for you present an argument. A good many atheists are agnostic atheists, that's to say that they do not claim to know that there is no god, but they have not been convinced that there is any god (i.e., they do not believe). It takes no faith to conclude that theistic claims have not met their burden of proof.

        Pascal's wager is idiotic, by the way. Man has come up with thousands of gods throughout history. You have presumably chosen one of the many varying sects that worship the Christian god, who is just one of those thousands of gods. If you want to talk about gambling, calculate the odds that you have it right.

        But even if it were not idiotic, I can't make myself believe claims that are not based on legitimate evidence. That is not how my brain works, the very brain that your supposedly intelligent designer granted me.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
      • dilberth

        There have been numerous studies confirming the superiority of intellectual capacity of atheists over believers. Believers have a distinct disadvantage in transportation of thought. They are handicapped intellectually. Some even say that a Christian's brain is very small. Still others say, they've none at all.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
      • Soldier

        Pest! You recognize Pascal's wager. Kudos. But the fact that you feel it is idiotic doesn't make the gamble less true does it. You may choose not to recognize it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Hypothetically, if there is a God, His existence is not conditional on how many (if any) people believe in Him. Our arguments doesn't change the facts one way or the other. If you are a gambling man, Pascal says your odds are better on the Theist side. Also the difference between atheist and agnostic is clear despite the semantics you may try to throw upon it. You believe in the existence of God or you don't. An agnostic is not sure. You may be an agnostic with atheistic leanings but that would make you an agnostic. You could also be an agnostic with theistic leanings but again that would still make you an agnostic. Most of the population of the free western world falls into one of these two categories with the actual Theists and the Atheists in the minority at either end of the spectrum. As a Christian and an American (and a former soldier as my name suggests), I believe in freedom. Freedom to choose your own beliefs and teach those to your children. Freedom to believe or not believe in God as long as you are willing to accept the consequences of your choices. Not everyone full understands the consequences (and for atheists there are no consequences right?) but I went to war against the Taliban to protect this way of life. The way that says I can believe what I choose about God and I (and my children) have the freedom to do so. Anyone who attacks that way of life is my enemy as a soldier and an American. As a Christian, I realize you don't understand what it is like to a have a relationship with God not just believing (because the Bible says that even the devil believes... and he trembles). I believe in tolerance but I will respond when what I believe in is attacked, or in the case of this author, actively under siege. That kind of article and belief is pretty un-American. He uses the freedom of the press to attack freedom of religion and to me that is everything that is wrong with America. Trying to tear down part of the first Amendment with another part of the first Amendment is sickening to me. I personally think Dawkins' US citizenship should be revoked and he should be forced to live in Cuba or Communist China but obviously won't follow through on that because he lives under the protections of a free society. Think about what he is saying and what he is trying to do especially how it relates to personal freedoms. Because if that is the position of all atheists then Atheism clearly doesn't belong in America anymore than Sharia law should be allowed here.

        September 28, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
      • Soldier

        Dilberth! Let's assume you are right for a moment and that atheists are intellectually superior to Christians. What does that mean? Since you atheists are then the "Ubermensch" or "Overman" as you have a superiority to anyone who doesn't think the same way or believe what you do. What is the solution then? You are superior and everyone else is handicapped. What is the Darwinian outlook on this? The strong survive and the weak don't? Natural selection, isn't that it? And since you are so much smarter than us believers, maybe you should try to do something about that as that is the inevitable "natural" solution anyway. Wouldn't that be logical to you as you are so smart? I mean you are not subject to the same moral constraints us "believers" are under. We are not all created equal under God are we? Let's first take out the "under God" part. But then you don't believe in equality because you clearly stated atheists are intellectually superior to believers already. Do you see where I am going with this? Maybe you can start the Fourth Reich... be careful where your intellectual superiority takes you because it is a slippery slope as history has shown.

        September 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • fyre

      So anyone with a different opinion from your two favorite people must be wrong? Atheists don't necessarily refuse to believe in a higher power any more than we refuse to believe in unicorns and fairies. Maybe they are real and not just folklore. I don't know and frankly, I don't care. Their existence or nonexistence does not impact my life a whit.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Reply
    • donna

      Richard Dawkins is an agnostic atheist, like many atheists. He understands that we don't and can't have proof a god doesn't exist. He acknowledges there is a small chance there is a god. But based on the evidence of the universe he has seen, he really, really thinks there isn't one, but does not claim to know that as a verifiable fact.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Reply
  10. jerry

    First off, the author of this post really needs to closely proof read before posting. The number of errors in the story detracts from the substance of the post.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:29 pm | Reply
    • HorseWithThreeNames

      Wait, there's substance in this post?

      September 28, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Reply
      • Hank Landon

        There certainly is.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
  11. OctoberOhio

    Why doesn't everybody just close their mouths and listen to reason.
    This guy is showing us a way out of the mess we've gotten into with religion.
    What problem on earth today cannot trace itself back to "religious beliefs"?

    September 28, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Reply
    • nepawoods

      OK, dependence on dwindling supplies of petroleum ... How did religion cause this?

      September 28, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Reply
      • Hank Landon

        Take the recent phenomenon of petroleum powered technology out of the equation and look at religion and the deaths that have resulted because of it over our history. I believe that's his point.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
      • nepawoods

        FAR more deaths are attributable to atheists like Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
  12. Pablo

    I am an agnostic. I don't know and I admit it. Even if religion is not true and is like a drug to some, why deny them the comfort and hope it brings them. Atheism certainly brings no hope to anyone. there is no purpose in life and no way to escape oblivion. I say, let the religious people enjoy the faint glimmer of hope and stop trying to convince them that there is none.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  13. jerry

    I generally agree with Dawkins. However, I appreciate religion as an intellectual pursuit along with philosophy. I'm not certain that our societies need to be rid of organized religion (I understand that this was not Dawkins main point in this story). However, I do think that man has taken up religion as a means to reek havoc on his fellow humans for centuries.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Reply
  14. Patrick Quon

    Sheesh. The born-again atheists are getting just as irritating as the born-again evangelicals. Can't we all just keep our religious views to ourselves and stop haranguing each other?

    September 28, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Reply
    • naw

      wish the religious would keep their voodoo away from their kids,, how unfair.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Reply
      • Soldier

        wish you atheist nut jobs would allow your kids to see everything that is out there and choose for themselves instead of imposing your ridiculous lack of beliefs on them. No one under 18 allowed in church as Dawkins wants? Might as well be living in Communist China... I live in America thank you very much!

        September 28, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
  15. caritas06

    I do wish Dawkins ( who based on his most recent tweets, seems to be getting a bit dotty) , realize that, along with Madonna, his 15 minutes of fame are over long ago. Both acts are getting tired but self-convinced.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Reply
    • nepawoods

      What's sad is that he's a great scientist, but get's so much more attention for something he's really not good at, which is philosophy.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:43 pm | Reply
      • naw

        he's quite good at it.. The difference is that he practices quite well, though must be frustrating to the religionist that can't answer his questions.

        September 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
      • nepawoods

        What question did he pose that's so hard to answer?

        September 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • Tony Soprano

      Don't look now,but the new atheist movement is just getting started.There is going to be some major announcements very shortly.So,you may want to get your arguments straight.Now-are you looking forward to the eternity in heaven witnessing all the non-believers,(neighbours,friends,relatives etc.)being tortured in h e l l ?Sound like fun?Which version of you will be in heaven,young or elderly?Any answers?I thought not.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Reply
  16. HorseWithThreeNames

    All an atheist really has is his pride. Don't deprive the man of that!

    September 28, 2013 at 4:43 pm | Reply
    • naw

      must frustrate you that you are unable to answer their questions with a level of intelligence,, your post expected.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Reply
    • Hank Landon

      You mean reason, not pride.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Reply
  17. Beth

    Dawkins=Fascist. This man won't rest until he has forced everyone to believe as he does.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:44 pm | Reply
    • naw

      the man is only asking people to use the brain they have and help them break away from the christian spell.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Reply
  18. naw

    I think we can all thank our founding fathers for putting religion in its place.. Hadn't they,, it'd be like th emiddle east here, except with chri-stains.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:44 pm | Reply
  19. donna

    This is has to be one the most misguided comments here:

    "If atheists believe this [natural selection], then why dont they advocate for the eradication of our sick and elderly that can't contribute to our society and use our resources."

    Just because people understand a biological or physical process, does not mean that that is what they base your moral guide on.

    By this poster's logic, someone who understood the physics of how a microwave worked, should base their moral judgements on using microwaves. Or that someone who studies infectious diseases bases their moral guide on disease processes.

    It's just absurd.

    Natural Selection tells us about how organisms have changed over time. It's not a moral guide, any more than understanding how mutations happen is a moral guide.

    The comment also shows a complete ignorance about natural selection. Natural selection heavily favors social support, compassion, empathy, and technology use in people.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Reply
    • Eight He Ist

      A side note to this: People getting sick and dying is in itself part of evolution. Recognizing this does not imply that we must hurry it along. We Atheists are not the cruel and heartless people that believers think of us as, we are simply people who rely on evidence for our beliefs.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Reply
      • donna

        Exactly, understanding a process doesn't mean we WANT to increase in. If one wanted to argue that we should base our moral code on the principals of natural selection, we would be advocating mass reproduction.

        I have to say it concerns me when people are so baffled by where we get our moral codes if it isn't from religion. It's like people are saying that if they didn't believe god has mandated their moral code, their desire would be to hurt people.

        We don't need to fear a god to behave ethically. It's scary how many people apparently do....

        September 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        I simply would lie to know on what basis your morality rests. If you don't believe in a soul, or good or evil. If you strictly interpret your morality through science alone, because it has facts behind it, then on what do you base any compunction to do good and selfless things. With no facts behind it.

        September 28, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
      • Disillusioned

        For a history and anthropology major, I can't believe how stupid you are in aknowledging past history of the many tangible consecquenses of using biological evolution to translate into social Darwinism to justify the killing of millions of so called defectives. You're probably lying on that too.

        September 28, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • Soldier

      I am just curious where you think morality comes from if not from a higher power? The law? It changes. Culture? They are all different? Reason and enlightenment? To what end? Darwinism may be descriptive rather than prescriptive but you saw how it worked when Hitler put it in practice. Add to that the Nietzche Overman concept and voila. That is what atheist morality looks like when taken to its ultimate endgame. You have the benefit of living in a society that was building on Judeo-Christian values, and your morality (like it or not) is based on your upbringing in this society. A true atheist would understand that in your system of beliefs all morality is relative because there is no measuring stick beyond yourself. I mean there is no higher power, so what is your standard? Laws change. Nations change. If there is no higher immutable law there is no morality that applies to everyone and then who is to say the Nazis are wrong. That is what atheist morality truly is if you "reason" it to its logical conclusion. Darwinism in practice was and is seen in the world with no moral compass and no belief in accountability to a higher power beyond yourself. You are not God, not even your own. This is the fundamentally fallacy of atheism... think about it, whether you agree with me or not.

      September 28, 2013 at 7:10 pm | Reply
      • donna

        Our moral code comes from our socialization as we develop, which is a combination of biology and history/culture. Religion plays a different role for different people.

        Atheists don't share a moral code, so it's difficult to talk about this subject when people are doing what you are, which is to assume we have some shared set of beliefs. We don't.

        If you didn't have religion, do you think your parents would have raised you to hurt and steal?

        September 28, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
    • Disillusioned

      Your presence shows an ignorance about English and understanding. As well as knowing how to correctly quote so,someone, pompous b it c h.

      September 28, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Reply
      • donna

        I have tried to be polite, I have tried to ignore your dozens of posts without replying, but you are getting way to hostile. You have problems Disillusioned, like clinically. You're being obsessive. You're vile. You're perverted. You should go away.

        Get over me. Stop obsessing over me. I don't LIKE you. SHOO!

        September 28, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
  20. Ben Bokeh

    Well, to start with it’s obvious that this infidel prefers Islam to Christianity by The slighting of the Bible by disrespecting it when not capitalizing Bible. Then he immediately attacks Christianity by taking verses out of context to try to make a point. If this was a legitimate debate this poor man wouldn’t stand a chance. Wild accusations made without factual basis will not prove anything. Furthermore he quotes from the Old Testament which was given to the Israelites to show them that there was no way that they could save themselves and they need a savior. If not for the Old Testament man would not have known sin. The New Testament contains everything that the Christian needs in order to fulfill God’s Will. As far as picking out the verses that we like and cutting out the pages that we don’t like he is falsely accusing every Christian of doing this. The very word Christian means Christ like. If someone is not Christ like then he is obviously not a Christian. The whole New Testament can be wrapped up into 2 commandments: Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, and mind and the second is like unto it: Love thy neighbor as itself. Now if anyone wants to fault Christians for following these Commandments given by God then I suggest that they examine their heart before its too late. It always amuses me that people who are so learned in the worlds way try to their so-called intellect to duel with an Omniscient God.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Reply
    • naw

      christian/muslim,, all the same voodoo

      September 28, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Reply
      • Ben Bokeh

        That is your uneducated belief.

        September 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
      • christian witchcraft

        they are,, just as Coke and Pepsi market themselves differently, they are still soft drinks. Funny though,, they try to separate themselves with invisible heroes and each interprets their bibles conflicts to their convenience..

        September 28, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • ptmom02

      Are you saying that everyone but christans will be going to hell? Since jewish people don't have this savior that you sem to think they need....

      September 28, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Reply
    • Soldier

      I just feel sorry for the children of atheists. This author advocates no one in church under the age of 18 and wants to dictate the religious freedoms in a free society. How is this different from Nazism or Communism who actively controls the religions and freedom of belief in their nations? By refusing to allow children to hear other points of view about God, you actively limit their option to choose their own beliefs which you atheists clearly had. And without choice you are no different from Nazis. After all, Hitler pushed Darwinism and Nietzsche's theories to their ultimate conclusion didn't he? There is no basis for morality in atheism. You can choose to be moral or immoral but as you don't believe in a higher power or higher accountability what difference does it make? There is no consequence other than social order and Nazism was pretty efficient if you think about it. Mussolini made the train run on time. Atheism is one of the most dangerous forms of "belief" and morality out there, pretty much on par with radical Islam. The difference is that the Islamic terrorists try to destroy the free way of life physically and atheists try to destroy it spiritually. At least the Islamic terrorists know what they are trying to accomplish. If you deny freedom of religion to your children then you deny them the very thing that make them free and you turn them into drones. After all, what is the difference between a racist atheist and one who isn't? Nothing at all because morality is relatively. The main tenant of atheism is that you are you own God and that is far more dangerous than any other kind of belief. But you live in a society that lets you choose that and doesn't try to control what you believe, don't you?

      September 28, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Reply
  21. Stevelb1

    How about everyone keep their religious and atheist beliefs to themselves and stop forcing your opinions on everyone else.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Reply
    • bat100

      Maybe you should visit a different comment board.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Reply
  22. Jack

    Just think of us Atheists as bringing the good news of reality to the primitives.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Reply
    • naw

      it's not that they are primitive,, they are simply under religions spell. Some call it brainwashing.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Reply
    • Tony Soprano

      The Good Noodles Club.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Reply
    • donna

      Technically, the primitive condition is more likely to be atheistic, not deistic. Deism most likely evolved later in human evolution, like in the past 100,000 years (give or take).

      It's a very abstract concept that someone would exist that can influence your life without being able to see them. A good model might be the idea that hominids first began with ideas of an afterlife when we see evidence of ritualistic burials and beliefs about Animalism (animals being magical), based on artwork. That would then evolve into organized belief systems about things, beings and forces, that cannot be seen.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Reply
    • Soldier

      Us primitives consider you just as arrogant and annoying but with far less benefits and good news. You are like bad news missionaries. Maybe we should start killing and stoning you like they did to some of the previous people who tried what you are suggesting.

      September 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm | Reply
  23. Ben Bokeh

    The Christian is not asked by God to force anything on anybody. He is commanded by God to take the Gospel to the whole world. If they decline to accept the Gospel then thats their choice. A choice that unfortunately they will regret on Judgement Day.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Reply
    • ptmom02

      Baaaa!

      September 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Reply
    • Jeff Williams

      """He is commanded by God to take the Gospel to the whole world. If they decline to accept the Gospel then thats their choice. A choice that unfortunately they will regret on Judgement Day."""

      This is a great example of why your god is not omnipotent, and not wise.

      Let's look at your example from, say, the viewpoint of a Muslim. By your 'reasoning' (bear with me, here, I realize the irony), this Muslim has the option to accept Jesus Christ as his savior, or not. What do you suppose the odds are that he will?

      Maybe the same probability of you converting to Islam if the reverse situation occurred, I'd suspect. Be honest – you would simply reject Islam. Just as that Muslim would reject your Christianity.

      As you can see, this is a highly inefficient way to spread the word. Surely your god can come up with something better than this?

      September 28, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Reply
      • CCC

        Freedom to choose–for better or for worse–is part of the package. God (let's call Him "Fred" rather than His Biblical/Q'uranic names)–Fred decided long ago that we would have the freedom to choose right from wrong; Fred, Ba'al, Zeus, Krishna, Athena, or no god at all. Fred gave us the freedom to make our own bed with the express understanding that we would ultimately have to lie in it.

        It's entirely up to each of us.

        September 28, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
  24. naw

    I have no problem hearing the religious stating they are trying to prove their religion and god.. Just wish they'd prove it before telling anyone it's a fact.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Reply
    • Ben Bokeh

      Christians don't try to prove anything. They merely present the Gospel as commanded by God. What you do with that at that point is between you and God.

      September 28, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Reply
      • nepawoods

        "Christians don't try to prove anything" ... Countless many try to prove evolution isn't a fact.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Soldier

      You need to research "the Theory of Evolution". The reason it is still know as a "theory" and not "fact" is because the facts support micro evolution (evolution within species) but not macro evolution (evolution between species). There is still something known as "the missing link" out there. That missing link is the link between monkeys and humans. You have accepted the theory as fact because it supports your current beliefs and you find it convenient to do so. But how much do you actually know about your fact? Everything I quoted above are facts but you will dismiss them as ignorance without actually researching if what I say is true because it would disturb your idea of what the facts actually are here. Don't talk about facts unless you plan on researching them and accepting where the evidence points instead of just accepting popular science as opposed to actual science... there is so much hypocrisy in atheism that it frightens me what world my children will grow up in. The Christians I have been around have actually been really nice and genuine people whereas the atheists are typically small minded and inflexible and intolerant of even anything a child says in the presence that may disagree with their point of view. It is really quite frightening.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:59 pm | Reply
  25. patiogardenblog

    We live in a society where people are free to believe whatever they want; unfortunately there is not a single soul free from the judgmental religious zealots who feel the need to criticize anyone who does not share their twisted religious worldviews. Its a sad thing that there are so many churches in any given city, why do we need so many of them? Maybe if these religious groups were so 'holy' they would instead give some of that money to the poor? I had went to this Christian health clinic locally for many years when I had insurance and spent thousands on care there. They always had photos everywhere of their doctors in Africa giving free care to the poor to show how religious they were. Well, I lost my job cause of my health, lost my insurance. I had compressed a nerve in my hand and could no longer use it, needed medical care ASAP to try and regain use of the hand. I prayed for help, then I called them up and said I am broke, I have no insurance, I need help. They responded that they do not see those who are uninsured. Wow, imagine if Jesus would have said that to the poor who needed his help~! So I don't buy that religious BS anymore. It doesn't benefit the community, it benefits the wealthy who use it as a means to avoid taxes. The rest of what they do is just to appear righteous. Proud ATHEIST.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Reply
    • bens772

      One bad experience and you're accusing the whole world of being crooked?

      September 28, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • CCC

      We live in a society where people are free to believe whatever they want; unfortunately there is not a single soul (?!) free from the judgmental atheistic zealots who feel the need to criticize anyone who does not share their twisted atheistic atheists in any given city, why do we need so many of them? Maybe if these atheists were so 'moral' they would instead give some of that money to the poor? I had went to this atheist health clinic locally for many years when I had insurance and spent thousands on care there. They always had photos everywhere of their doctors in Africa giving free care to the poor to show how moral they were. Well, I lost my job cause of my health, lost my insurance. I had compressed a nerve in my hand and could no longer use it, needed medical care ASAP to try and regain use of the hand. I cogitated for help, then I called them up and said I am broke, I have no insurance, I need help. They responded that they do not see those who are uninsured. Wow, imagine if Marx would have said that to the poor who needed his help~! So I don't buy that atheist BS anymore. It doesn't benefit the community, it benefits the wealthy who use it as a means to avoid good works. The rest of what they do is just to appear superior.

      September 28, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Reply
  26. bgg1175

    Dawkins and other Atheists beliefs require more faith, more belief in the impossible, and a belief in a vast series of dumb luck than any religion. It is actually a religion of worshipping 'Dumb Luck".
    According to their 'Dumb Luck' theory: The Laws of Science had no writer. Time and space had no designer. Planets just happened. Life has no creator. All these incomprehensibly complex things...just happened by accident. Like spilling ink on a paper and accidentally creating your homework.
    Dawkins embraces the 'Dumb Luck' theory. On some level I believe he and others know the stupidity of their belief and it comforts them to draw more people into it.
    We have found fossils on Dinosaurs that came before man. And fossils of man and species that came after Dinosaurs. And sandwiched in between these 2 periods is nothing. None of the billions of transitional fossils that would exist to prove evolution.
    That in itself is proof of the fraud that evolution is.

    September 28, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Reply
    • ptmom02

      Why do you people not take your theory one step further to try and describe where god would have come from in the first place?

      September 28, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Reply
    • christian witchcraft

      not faith,, you are wrong. Why you are wrong? Because atheists seek out answers and expect proof. Having faith is the end of the road.

      ie Gamblers have faith they will win the next hand as they gamble away their mortgage payment, they believe it.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
    • bens772

      It takes a whole lot more faith to believe a theory as being fact than it does to believe that a Supreme God created all of this. Anyone who can't see God's work in nature simply isn't looking at all of the beauty. Where did a mother's love come from? Where did the beauty of arose come from? And as you said, how many times would you have to throw all of the parts of a watch up into the air before it came down as a working time piece. How many times did a pig have to wade into the ocean before it became a warm blooded whale.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
      • nepawoods

        "how many times would you have to throw all of the parts of a watch up into the air before it came down as a working time piece" ... This is a ridiculous characterization of the theory of evolution. If you really think otherwise, you're just criticizing something you never bothered to try to understand.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
      • christian witchcraft

        god should have cleaned up his mess then,, he set a bad example. All those meteors flying around.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • nepawoods

      1) Why is it so hard, intellectually, to accept the laws of physics having no writer, but so easy to accept an omnipotent, omniscient God who had no creator?

      2) "Planets just happened. Life has no creator. All these incomprehensibly complex things...just happened by accident. Like spilling ink on a paper and accidentally creating your homework." ... No scientist believes anything like this. There is no rational explanation how spilling ink could produce one's homework, but there are very rational explanations how planets formed and how life evolved.

      3) Lack of transitional fossils is a myth. The fossil record is as complete as one can expect, and there are countless other forms of proof of evolution, especially genetic evidence.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
      • christian witchcraft

        'where did a mother's love originate? '
        it's a natural instinct to preserve the population. BTW,, some animals posses the same mother love and other animals will destroy their children. This question is meaningless. In fact your question only helps substantiate evolution.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
      • christian witchcraft

        'What's on the other side of the Universe?'
        you ass-ume the universe has another side to it. What is more realistic is that there is an infinite number of universes. It would be rather silly to state there couldn't be. After all, this one exists.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
      • christian witchcraft

        'How did order come out of disorder?' again, you are proving evolution. If you look at the universe,, every thing comes from chaos and either orders or becomes extinct. In fact our thinking ability is quite limited. Believe it or not, man never created a single thing. It's the chaos of our surroundings that we discover and then integrate (innovate). ie,, when we discovered a use of a rock as a wheel, we sure didn't make a Mercedes Benz the next day.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
      • christian witchcraft

        We aren't as smart as we think we are.. Therefore we likely might not ever understand what created all of this.One thing for sure,, if somehow it were a god,, that god might be a fourth grader from another dimension who is catching he-ll for this.

        Remember,, I never used anything in my answers to state an absolute.. and therefore it would be a lie for me to state it as fact. However the religious do lie when they state their 'believe' as fact

        September 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • James George

      bgg1175, the list of TRANSITIONAL FOSSILS is ENORMOUS. Lying about it (I won't mince words) won't make the inconvenient fact go away. Here'a a PARTIAL list of transitional fossils you claim don't exist:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils

      And a more complete list of everything SINCE the demise of the dinosaurs:

      http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part2a.html

      Atheists don't populate the unknown with angels and demons of their own making. Our knowledge is limited to the available EVIDENCE. In the absence of evidence, we withhold judgement – and BELIEF. But we also use an objective scientific method to try and answer these questions and know more. If true evidence of your religious claims ever surfaces, we'll be obligated to revise our understanding. So far, believers have a LOT of work to do...

      September 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Reply
      • Soldier

        Research the "missing link" in the "theory" of evolution. You claim to be reasonable and only accept proof but conveniently overlook the lack of proof if it doesn't prove your point of view. Christianity and Science are not at odds. If you research what you are claiming you will find there are quite a few things missing that are "assumed" before accepting it as fact.

        September 28, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
  27. christian witchcraft

    wow!!! not a single christian can answer any question here with certainty and proof about their god stuff.

    Instead they make childish comments. Just read them.

    September 28, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Reply
    • bens772

      What would you like to know sir? Are you willing to submit your views to the will of God's Bible?

      September 28, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Reply
      • christian witchcraft

        who wrote the bible?

        September 28, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
      • Tony Soprano

        I would like to know what created god?I would like to know how you know this.Easy questions.Waiting.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
  28. Kevin

    Dawkins is about half right. Collectively, Americans as a whole do not pay attention to the moral compass that religion provides. Not surprisingly Dawkins picks and chooses what he wants to make a point but he starts from a false premise. The stoning in religion isn't part of the moral compass but was a way to punish those who strayed from the moral compass. Today we use prisons instead. The moral aspect is what's right and wrong, not killing, not stealing, etc. Dawkins uses propaganda and twisted info to make a point because his attempt at logic in the past has had a ton of holes and he knows it.

    September 28, 2013 at 5:03 pm | Reply
    • christian witchcraft

      you place an odd twist on free will.. Sounds more like a dictatorship. I suppose religions are much like dictators. Sad, the religious love being dictated.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Reply
      • bens772

        Nothing is being dictated. Why are so angry. God loves you. Do you find God's Love offensive?

        September 28, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
      • christian witchcraft

        no god loves anyone.. never proven a god exists in the first place, never.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
  29. Gus

    Common sense. Religion is a mental illness brought on by excessive brainwashing of children.

    September 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Reply
  30. ReligionIsPoop

    Sadly, most crooks I've encountered are Christian!

    September 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Reply
    • christian witchcraft

      the vast majority of criminals are christian in the USA.

      September 28, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Reply
      • bens772

        Come. come now. Prove it.

        September 28, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
      • christian witchcraft

        http://www.patheos.Com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/03/29/what-percentage-of-prisoners-are-atheists-pew-forum-offers-an-answer/

        September 28, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
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